Author Topic: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)  (Read 38040 times)

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2008, 01:06:34 AM »
It may have been the suspect killed himself, but the police would like to settle the mystery anyway, since a child is missing. So the case may be solved, but the issue of where the girl is not. There is still a chance, someone out there can help solve that by tellig the police what they may know that could result in her being found even if she is not alive anymore.

trustme

  • Member
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2008, 09:16:34 PM »
There was an article earlier in August about this case in the Burlington Post. You can read it on their website. Hopefully it will generate more information so there can finally be some answers.

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2008, 01:07:02 AM »
What really happened to Marianne Schuett?
 
Schoolgirl's unsolved disappearance still haunts Kilbride area
http://www.burlingtonpost.com/news/article/195966

 was just a short walk from Kilbride Public School to the modest brick house up the tree-lined street -- about 400 yards.
But on Thursday, April 27, 1967, 10-year-old Marianne Schuett never made that five-minute stroll home. To this day, the mystery of her disappearance still haunts the picturesque village in the city's north end. Indeed, the little girl's abduction was the partial impetus for a folk song by popular Canadian songwriter Ian Thomas.

The mild-mannered, 4-foot-6 youngster, with brown hair cut in the style of the day, was wearing a red reversible jacket when last seen near the school driveway.

The time was 4 p.m. She was talking to a thin-faced, 40ish man wearing glasses, who was sitting in a dark-coloured European model car. Despite massive air and land searches and the discovery of a key suspect in the '90s, Marianne's whereabouts remain a mystery 41 years later.

A longtime Kilbride resident remembered participating in one of the searches organized by police after the little girl vanished.

Fred Arnold was a scout leader who searched with about 18-20 youngsters from the 1st Kilbride Scout Troop. The group of 12-14-year-old scouts included Marianne's older brother, Dave.

"We went through the back bushes and through Campbellville and all the rocks, it was quite an ordeal," recalled Arnold. "I couldn't believe it was happening. You hear about this all the time, but you never believe it could happen.

"She was so close to being home."

He said while her brother remained in scouts, the family went into seclusion. (Members of the Schuett family declined to be interviewed for this story.)

"They sort of stayed home. They were hoping to hear phone calls," said Arnold. "The sad part is her not being found and not knowing. It's just assumed that she's dead, but who really knows? That's got to be worse. That's got to be tough."

He said the Schuetts were just an ordinary family, whom he knew mainly through scouts.

The family eventually moved to Guelph, remembered Arnold.

"It's really too bad," he said. "It's got to be heartbreaking for anybody."

Arnold, the former volunteer fire chief in Kilbride, said everyone knew each other back then, but the mood in the village changed after Marianne's disappearance.

"The kids were taken to school, then picked up at school, they didn't take anything for chance," he said. "It got everybody back on guard."

A strange car travelling through Kilbride would also arouse suspicion, said Arnold.

He recalled hearing a man was considered a prime suspect in the case, but adds police never said the case was closed.

"As far as I know, there was never a conclusion or a definite person," said Arnold.

The child's disappearance often still comes up in conversation.

"We wonder what happened to Marianne," he said. "It seems to be such a mystery. I can't believe something wouldn't come up."

The likelihood that Marianne is still alive is remote, say officers with Halton police's Major Crimes/Homicide Bureau.

Det. Keith Woudstra said a 'person of interest' took his own life in January 1991, several months after Halton police investigated his possible involvement in Marianne's abduction.

"At the time of this person's death, there were insufficient grounds to proceed with a viable prosecution against him," said Woudstra. "We need reasonable, probable grounds to lay a charge against anyone and the information didn't break that threshold. There was a certain amount of evidence. The information certainly points to this individual being responsible."

Woudstra said the suspect was living in Burlington with his wife and children when Marianne disappeared and he moved to Hamilton in the early '90s.

While the detective did not have details about the man's family, he said they haven't volunteered any information about Marianne's disappearance. "Maybe they don't know the details."

Woudstra also confirmed the suspect was jailed in 1972 for the attempted abduction of a 17-year-old girl on Hampton Heath Road in Burlington.

"He tried to get her into a vehicle, but the victim screamed for help, broke free and ran to a nearby house," he said.

He said the suspect was originally charged with kidnapping, forcible seizure and assault causing bodily harm. However, those charges were withdrawn at the Crown attorney's request and the accused pleaded guilty to common assault. The man was sentenced to 30 days in jail and two years probation.

"The defence and Crown came to the conclusion that a plea to common assault was the most appropriate resolution," said Woudstra.

The same suspect was also investigated for alleged sexual assaults of two Ancaster girls aged 3 and 9 between 1971-78.

According to Woudstra, one of the alleged victims came forward in December 1990 to report the incidents to police. That prompted a second accuser to come forward with allegations of assault against the same individual, the detective said. Before any resolution of the complaints, the suspect committed suicide.

Woudstra said since there were insufficient grounds to lay charges in Marianne's disappearance, it could be possible that someone else was involved.

"Since the individual was investigated in the early '90s no other names have surfaced to date that would warrant us to actively pursue them," he added.

Walking from the rambling brick Kilbride school to where Marianne once lived -- a tidy, welcoming home with colourful flower boxes and pale yellow wicker chairs outside -- it's hard to believe a child could disappear along such a short route.

The school is located at 6611 Panton St., named for William Panton who, along with Francis Baker laid out the village of Kilbride around 1850. It's named after a town in County Wicklow, Ireland.

From Kilbride P.S., it's about 100 yards south to Kilbride Street, then west to where the Schuett's lived. Every minute or two a vehicle, often an SUV, goes by as it's the main east-west route through the village.

There's a mix of older and newer brick, mainly bungalows or split level, and the occasional huge, stately home.

About halfway to the Schuett residence, ironically enough, is the Kilbride Fire Station and Community Police Office. But it was not built until 1978, well after Marianne disappeared.

Woudstra said witnesses recalled the girl stopped to talk to someone in a vehicle described as a Renault station wagon. They said Marianne spoke briefly with the driver and then got into the car, which went straight past her home. She was reported missing several hours later.

The original investigation was criticized in media reports for missing key evidence, such as the sighting of a man cleaning out a vehicle fitting the suspect car's description.

Woudstra noted the prime suspect was one of several who owned a vehicle matching the description provided by witnesses.

"There was an enormous amount of information versus the resources to address it," he said. "The OPP and Burlington Police Department created a task force to manage the workload that was being generated. One of the largest searches in Canadian history was organized in an effort to find Marianne and to identify her abductor. This was a monumental task, given the fact that there were few concrete leads to follow up."

Woudstra said police have little tangible evidence from the case. He said a blue sneaker was found in the Speyside area near Hwy. 25 in Milton, similar in size and colour to sneakers worn by Marianne.

He said different investigators who worked on the case might have different theories.

"We don't know whether or not he had an accomplice," said Woudstra. "Information from witnesses indicates the individual was acting alone. From the review of the case and witnesses, we do know the station wagon had only one person."

He added to date, police have no evidence that more than one individual was involved or has knowledge of Marianne's disappearance.

The disappearance partially inspired the 1976 song Mary Jane, by popular recording artist Ian Thomas.

The song's lyrics include:

It's been a year or so since anybody's seen her

Mary Jane was on her way from school

They say a big red car pulled up and she got in.

Thomas did not respond to a request for an interview. However, in an e-mail to the Post, he said the idea for the song initially came in the early '70s when he lived in Burlington.

He recalled the disappearance of a young boy named Cameron March and, looking at his own kids, he imagined the pain felt by the boy's parents. Thomas said when Marianne vanished, the anguish in him felt like it was going to explode and it bubbled up into the tune several years later. Looking back, he wishes he'd never released such a dark song.

"I should have just recorded it to get it out of my system and filed it away," wrote Thomas. "There was already enough darkness in the world without songs to pull at the scabs of those trying to heal wounds that may never heal."

Today, the village is a pleasant place on a warm summer afternoon, with quaint homes and the folksy-looking Kilbride Country Store. The sprawling yellow siding building has old-fashioned touches like a cork notice board, outdoor deck and a phone booth. At the counter, a young woman says the store has operated for seven years. She is not familiar with the Schuett case.

Near the school, a woman walking a large black dog said she's heard of Marianne's disappearance, but has only lived in the village since 1994. She said many homeowners near the school are new, but mentioned longtime residents who live just south on Panton Street.

Ruth and Frank Pellow, built a home there in 1972.

"Different people said, 'You're going up to Kilbride where the girl disappeared?'" recalled Ruth.

She remembered search parties looking for Marianne in the back of their previous residence, a 10-acre property on No. 1 Sideroad. "Everybody was very apprehensive," said Pellow. "They were upset about the fact that it happened to a little girl."

She said she was always careful with her children. "My son said 'Mom, your so protective.'"

But Pellow said Kilbride has always been a friendly village.

"We still know our neighbours and everybody helps one another," she said. "When my next door neighbour sees me up a ladder he says it's not safe and helps me out."

Frank Pellow said all their old neighbours have moved out but all the new ones that moved in are still nice.

He was a volunteer firefighter in Kilbride for 20 years and the Pellows are good friends with former chief Arnold and his wife.

They recalled having quite a social life with other firefighters, although there was a drawback.

"You'd have a bunch of people over for dinner and then the fire siren would go," said Frank. "If you were committed to it, you'd have to go."

A current firefighter and his family have lived at the former Schuett residence since purchasing it 23 years ago.

Jeff Swance and his wife, Linda, moved into the brick bungalow at 2291 Kilbride St. about 1 1/2 years after they married.

They've had two children and raised them in Kilbride.

Swance said there has never been any concern about living in the former Schuett residence.

He said once in awhile he thinks about Marianne and wonders what happened to her.

"It's unsolved, so you get curious about it," said Swance.

Halton Det.-Sgt. Kevin Britton said the individual police learned about in the '90s was the most logical suspect.

"Clearly, it was thought by investigators he was the most viable person of interest or suspect," he said. "No one was (a) better (suspect) than him."

Woudstra said police contacted the suspect several times.

"Certainly, the Halton Police Service would be interested in hearing from anyone who may have information relevant to this case," he added. "This includes the person responsible for Marianne's abduction."

The officers noted cold cases were reviewed prior to the '90s, but forensic science has been improving since then.

"It's an ongoing process. We're always looking to see if something was missed," said Woudstra. "With the development of DNA profiles, it's now possible to get strong evidence from exhibits."

Britton said anyone with information about Marianne or the case can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477) or visit www.haltoncrimestoppers.com.

"There could be other people who have indirect knowledge or who are potential witnesses," he said. "They could have some knowledge that's dated, but still relevant."

Meanwhile life goes on in Kilbride, but for people like Arnold, a village resident since 1965, the little girl who went missing so many years ago will never be forgotten.


debbiec

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 4756
  • Site Admin
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2008, 09:45:57 AM »
The "person of interest" in this case sure does sound like a viable suspect. The fact that he killed himself just after other allegations started surfacing makes me wonder how many more victims he had. I highly doubt that those would have been isolated incidences. Cowardly bastard took the easy way out, so I guess there's no way of knowing for sure.

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2008, 04:25:20 PM »
Yeah those pedophiles are so cowarldly. I am not a big death penality fan at all, but if there was one, it would be for pedophiles and serial killers only. These pedophiles live to offend and nothing more.

jmm

  • Member
  • Posts: 1
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2008, 01:12:31 PM »
Marianne is/was my cousin.  I was only 5 or 6 when she went missing but i remember it really clearly, the search parties and the chaos.  She has never been found.  The suspect did not kill himself 18 yrs ago, it was only a few years ago after the dig under the building.  He was from the hamilton/Niagara area.  The coward was being questioned  and did commit suicide.  She is still remembered and her family still misses her very much.

Adrian

  • Member
  • Posts: 3102
  • RIP Adrian (1953 - 2009)
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2008, 09:01:14 PM »


Welcome jmm, It is good to have you here. Since she was your cousin, it must have been really chaotic at the time, of Mariannes disappearance.

She may have been taken and killed elsewhere, totally away from the scene she was last seen. I wonder if she knew him? Looked at him, like a good guy? Once snatched, she met the other side of him.

I hope this is fully solved.

(((((((hugs)))))))) to all family members, and friends.

lostlinganer

  • Member
  • Posts: 3810
  • Silence, in the face of injustice is complicity wi
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2008, 09:25:09 PM »

I notice this poi never even had his name mentioned - figures - protect the geeks right till the end and after.

How much does anyone want to bet that these pedo/s have a particular gene or chemical make-up in their brain that comes to light some day. 
How much does anyone also want to bet that these same geeks could have become judges? ... they have/had the ability and share whatever it is?

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2009, 01:45:02 AM »
A gues left this message:

HE HAS NOT BBEN FOUND BUT AND NO UNCLE WAS EVER SUSPECTED , BUT WE STILL HAVE HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME CLOSURE

esyle

  • Member
  • Posts: 1
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2009, 08:40:13 PM »

DSchuett

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 0
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2009, 10:45:36 PM »
Marianne is a relative of mine. She has not and will never be forgotten by our family. Many of us still hold onto hope she will be found alive and well even after all these years. The worst part is not knowing and not having any closure. I live near Woodstock, with the Tori Stafford case all the memories , questions and unanswered questions all came flooding back. We only hope Victoria or her body is brought back to her family so they may have the closure we never received. I wish the people that have done this to Tori get their just desserts. The person that abducted Marianne chickened out before justice could be served. There is hope other people may know information to bring her home to us one way or another. Thanks for keeping her memory alive with this forum maybe someday we will know where she is.

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2009, 02:40:34 AM »
Marianne is a relative of mine. She has not and will never be forgotten by our family. Many of us still hold onto hope she will be found alive and well even after all these years. The worst part is not knowing and not having any closure. I live near Woodstock, with the Tori Stafford case all the memories , questions and unanswered questions all came flooding back. We only hope Victoria or her body is brought back to her family so they may have the closure we never received. I wish the people that have done this to Tori get their just desserts. The person that abducted Marianne chickened out before justice could be served. There is hope other people may know information to bring her home to us one way or another. Thanks for keeping her memory alive with this forum maybe someday we will know where she is.

Thanks for posting. Sorry about your relative, it is so sad that the likely killer was such a coward and took the easy way out. I'm glad y'all have not forgotten and I hope you get your answers one day.

lynda

  • Member
  • Posts: 1
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2009, 12:24:14 AM »
I too have wondered about Marianne I was a young teen ,  bit of a kid back then, it has always haunted me that she was never found. I recall the military searching and private citizens, we was amongst the many that looked for her. horse back and on foot looking down old blind roads off the beaten paths to no avail.
I was however mixed up on the year i thought it was '64 or '65 but many years have passed and memory a little foggy on some details.
yes to be alive would be the dream. but even a body at least there would be closure.
every time i hear of a child missing brings Marianne's memory back.

Chris

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7217
  • The Webmaster
    • View Profile
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2009, 11:03:28 PM »
Hi Lynda, thanks for posting.

It sure would be nice to have closure that is for sure. At least we'd know what happened.

female in halton

  • Guest
Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2010, 10:12:17 AM »
I recall the disappearance of Marianne more often than I would like. I am a female living in the Halton area who would have been a few years younger than Marianne at that time. All the parents were terrified warning their children to not talk to strangers or ever get in a car no matter what! What I can't figure out is why when I myself was kidnapped(even though it was only for about an hour and a half) at around the same age did the Halton Police not look seriously at the two people responsible. They could be the abductors/murderer"s of Marianne Shuett. I'm not suprised to learn that her shoe was found around Speyside because it's very well possible those responsible could be from Milton. Any of you reading this be sure to warn your children that a kidnapper could very well be a woman and a man if you didn't already learn that from Karla Holmoka. I was lured in by a woman. Yes the Police did attend my home. Nobody asked me any questions that early evening but I do remember being afraid to talk. I thought I was the one in trouble! I've seen these people recently in the last few years and strange as it may seem, I felt they recognized me even though I am almost 50 years old. I'll never forget it. I was let go because the man was not sure that anyone had not seen the woman.