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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2017, 02:59:50 PM »
Police said that kids were with relatives when the murder happened..
These girls were loved deeply by both parents, and much time was spent with them, when the family was intact.  They had a live in Nanny - as both parents worked long hours, and what time they had - they spent with their daughters.

I wonder if it was Daddy's turn to have the girls - at the time of the slaying. In other words, the kids were with their father.

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2017, 03:44:44 PM »
That is a good possibility JB, bc it is a school night and Paulas other family do not live in the vicinity where the children could be away from home and still attend their respective schools.
 
That message per police and media that the children were not at home (and mentioned several times) at the time seemed a rather cryptic message, imo. Then it makes me wonder if this is not solved due to tunnel vision. Did someone want the ex looked at as if a suspect.

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2017, 09:40:51 PM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/paula-stiles-identified-as-mother-of-three-killed-in-sherwood-park-1.3037820


This article has further info.  Seems  family is considered to be witnesses.  This would be the family that the girls stayed with that nite.

RCMP confirmed the death was a homicide on Thursday and finally identified Stiles on Friday afternoon.

More than 48 hours have passed since her body was found, but police have not yet said whether the killing was a random crime or made public any other details.

"We haven't been able to absolutely determine if this was a random crime or not," said Insp. Gibson Glavin, who added "there is no reason for anyone in the community to believe they might be at risk" from the person or persons who committed the crime.

Investigators have not made an arrest and won't say if they have any suspects.

Police have questioned family members, including Stiles' estranged husband, as witnesses, he said. 

According to divorce documents filed last May, Paula Stiles and Ken Haeberle were married in 1997. She was 26 that summer and he was 29. Neither had been married before.

She took his last name. Their daughters were born in 2002, 2004 and 2008.

After their separation last February, she went back to using the surname Stiles.

Under terms of the divorce, she proposed joint custody, though the girls would have their primary residence with her. She asked for child support, but not for spousal support.

The divorce was never finalized.
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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2017, 12:37:43 AM »
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Police have questioned family members, including Stiles' estranged husband, as witnesses, he said. 

I read that before but didn't read into it that these were witnesses that night, but I could be wrong. Isn't anyone who is interviewed by police considered a witness?

If police did not give out a name and Paula was not id'd until Friday, I would say the investigation was already compromised by 12:30 past noon the day she died. The current bf did a lot of talking to every press/media around. Police said very little, Paula's family have said nothing, so all that has been said regarding Paula's life has come from one source, the current bf and which was echoed by his brother and another friend almost exactly. So, imo, the public really has very little reliable information and perhaps police had been swayed some and ended up with tunnel vision.   

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2017, 02:26:08 PM »
http://www.sherwoodparknews.com/2015/10/26/walk-against-domestic-violence


In the attached video, police are shown digging with a shovel on Paula's ex-husband's property. A metal detector must have been used to pinpoint areas to dig up. If they are looking for a gun, that may denote the cause of death. It may also explain why LE asked if anyone "heard" anything during the time period when she was killed.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1948028/rcmp-search-rural-property-in-connection-with-sherwood-park-mothers-murder/

Two properties located in the same area were searched, one on Sunday and one on Monday. Various media reports state the properties were owned by either the ex-husband, or by both Paula and the ex. Does this mean the ex owned two properties?

RCMP spent Monday searching more than one property in connection with the homicide of Paula Stiles, a mother of three found dead inside her Sherwood Park home last week

Monday's search in Strathcona County follows a search with 20 RCMP officers at an another property in the area on the weekend.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/investigation-into-sherwood-park-homicide-continues-1.3041508


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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2017, 01:08:29 PM »

Within the original plea by police

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/paula-stiles-homicide-police-sifting-through-videos-shot-in-area-1.3047699

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In the long, slow process to find out who killed Paula Stiles, RCMP investigators are now sorting through numerous videos and photos taken by people in the area on April 14 and 15.

"The investigators have been looking at that material," said  Insp. Gibson Glavin. "We're not expecting it to show a particular person. We're more looking for things that help identify activity or people around who might have witnessed something. We hope we might get something out of that."

Glavin said police have identified a "wide cast" of people who could have killed Stiles. They are working now to eliminate people from that list to help focus the investigation.
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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2017, 05:22:24 PM »
So, cops are not expecting videos of any particular person - they are looking for things that might identify activity, or people around who may have witnessed something.

Wow! What do they mean by that??
Clear as Mud - Right?


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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2017, 01:28:52 AM »
Activity: motor bike, quad, both would allow for faster access and faster leaving but they are noisy. Gun shots are also noisy.

Doesn't Paula's life mean as much as a toddler's? I was surprised how much and how fast police gave out whatever they could get their hands on recently in the case of the deceased toddler and they had their perps within 4 hours. The info they gave out helped the public help police with tips.

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2017, 03:10:16 PM »
Activity: motor bike, quad, both would allow for faster access and faster leaving but they are noisy. Gun shots are also noisy.


Sounds logical to me!!

Note: "We haven't been able to absolutely determine if this was a random crime or not," said Insp. Gibson Glavin, who added "there is no reason for anyone in the community to believe they might be at risk" from the person or persons who committed the crime.


This assessment was given very early in the investigation. They believe that society is not at risk.
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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2017, 05:33:29 PM »
If they could not figure whether the crime was random or not, how can they then say the community was not at risk?

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2017, 06:41:17 PM »
If they could not figure whether the crime was random or not, how can they then say the community was not at risk?

Good question.  Unless, they were thinking that perhaps it was an accidental shooting within the community.  You know, someone with a rifle outside her home, and oops!! - sorry 'bout that and run like heck or put their peddle to the metal.
I am not buying into it.

quote from reply 26 - statement from police in Apr 2016 [one year after her murder]

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Peck could not comment on whether police believe the killing was targeted or random.

Another police force said exactly the same thing, in the Sonia Varaschin murder in Orangeville, Ont.  Her killer is still unknown after 7 years.
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The police really, really need someone to step forward with some potential answers.

As it is a vicious circle isn't it?

They don't know who did it, therefore they do not know the motive.
If they had a possible motive, then they may know who possibly did it. :-\

Perhaps they need to go back and re-interview the main people in her life.

Domestic Abuse

The woman who gave Paula's name in the Domestic Abuse walk, may have added her name to the two others who were domestically abused - since Paula like the others was Murdered.

According to Paula's neighbours they were a perfect family - and as one said
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. They were surprised at the separation, and the murder.

Behind closed doors could mean a general unhappiness within the marriage - an estrangement within their relationship.  They were certainly adult about it - as they decided to separate to see where that would take them. Their divorce was not finalized.

Were police ever called to their home? Any calls to cops by neighbours?  I'll bet that they were not.

Looking at the placement of the houses on that street, they were very close together,and any fighting or abuse would carry.  Neighbours would know, and not one reported domestic abuse  to the press and neighbours did talk to the press.

The police have not named a suspect. And if there was domestic abuse - then police would have their motive.  They said one year after the murder, that they do not have a motive.

I'll bet that the "Usual Suspect", is not a suspect at all.That is why there have been no arrest.

Forensics of the crime scene should have been completed by now?  More to come back from the lab?

Searches of both properties should have been completed - evidence which they thought might be evidence, turned out not to be evidence? One officer spoke too soon?
see reply#9
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Mounties executed a search warrant on a rural property east of Sherwood Park near Ardrossan belonging to Stiles' ex-husband Ken Haeberle that yielded evidence which is now being reviewed and analyzed.


This murder is not a slam dunk, as originally thought,  but one in for the long haul. imo.

And - she was found by a family member at 6;30 a.m.  Missed out on that!!



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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2017, 11:25:25 PM »
by a family membermorning of April 15 and investigators are trying to piece together what happened between 11 p.m. on April 14 and 6:30 a.m. on April 15.at approximately 12:56 p.m. when members of the Strathcona County RCMP detachment attended the residence of Paula Stiles in response to a report that the woman was found deceased inside her home.

Who called the cops?  And why so late?
RCMP have not said what led officers to the home at 40 Foxhaven Court, a two-storey house in a cul-de-sac near the intersection of Foxhaven Drive and Clover Bar Road. The house remained taped off with crime scene tape Thursday

RCMP Edmonton K-Division spokesman Insp. Gibson Glavin said the three children, the eldest of whom is 13, were with other family members and not at home at the time of the killing.

and then

From reply 43
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/to-have-this-happen-just-makes-no-sense-still-no-charges-in-homicide-of-strathcona-county-mother

Babiak and Stiles texted back and forth until 12:04 a.m. that Wednesday. Everything seemed fine until he got a hysterical phone call from her live-in nanny around noon, telling him to come over.  In video he got the call at 12:30.
When he arrived, fire truck, ambulance and cops were there.
They would not tell him anything until he told them who he was.


So we have a family member finding her body at 6:30 a.m.  Police arrive at 12:56.

Bf arrives around noon, he said that cops were already there - they would not tell him anything.  He stood on the street.

That is the timeline. 
What happened between 6:30 a.m, when discovered by family member, cops arriving around 1 pm, and Nanny making call to bf around noon?

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2017, 10:28:37 AM »
Never a mention of a break in though. Whether it's from different LE or the media, they really skewed everything, almost as if they wanted to fail.

To add to your list JB, how often have we heard/read that police gave information straight away to family members at crime scenes? Usually they don't give details. And they told the BF that Paula was murdered??
Paula had not yet even been taken for forensic testing. This was on April 15, a Wednesday. The Coroner had not even made a statement until Thursday and the public/media were told Friday.
How is it that the BF knew Wednesday April 15 that Paula was murdered?

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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2017, 10:41:34 AM »
She was discovered by family member at 6:30 a.m.   Police arrived at 1:00 pm. 
Why the huge time lapse between discovery and police arriving?

Strange...... and why tell anyone (other than persons in the house at the time?] that she was murdered?



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Re: PAULA STILES - HOMICIDE - Sherwood Pk Apr 15/15
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2017, 11:30:18 AM »
Perhaps that person that found Paula at 6:30 was the nanny and she told BF? For the police to give that info out when they still weren't sure of who was who is extremely careless. What else did they say? That is really compromising the investigation.

The time lapse was likely an error in reporting and quoting police?

Perhaps there were last minute changes of mind? BF had stated they would renovate his house to accommodate all the kids. How did that sit with Paula's eldest daughter, a teen, who would have to leave the school she was used to, as well as her friends?  Pretty difficult for a 13 year old. A drawing of a little child is worth a thousand words.
Yet just days before her death Paula was still very interested in a house just near her living quarters. How would that impact the BF's kids who were older and more established in their own neighborhood and schools, and after school job?
They could not take a look at the house due to time constraints?
Sounds more like everything was still up in the air regarding where the families would come together as the Brady Bunch.

Paula can't speak and no one else is speaking for her except the BF, not even the nanny. And imo, we are seeing, as the police did, only a part of the picture.

A divorce here can be finalized quickly if there was adultery or abuse proven, iirc. It had been several months since Paula had filed for divorce and it wasn't yet finalized.