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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 07:56:33 PM »
Don't forget the Penny Boudreau case where she murdered her daughter in NS.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2014, 08:21:57 AM »
This case has not gone to trial yet. Mark Lindsay in the Dana Turner murder trail to begin in November of this year.

Mr. Big was also used.

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=5282.165

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2014, 10:49:44 AM »
The sting is quite heavy on taxpayers shoulders and I have some reservations in how the sting is used. For eg: What were they thinking using the sting on wards of the province? It brought them answers yes, but those kids are free and that was a lot of money spent for nothing.
Another eg: In the case of the 4 Mounties slain at Mayerthorpe ... the sting was a face saving for the RCMP who botched and bungled with Roszko. Roszko pretty well got away with murder long before the slaying of the Mounties. If they had used some of that taxpayer's money to buy security for witnesses he would have been in jail long before. He stalked and threatened police and their families and witnesses until they were scared enough to not want to be a witness in court. The RCMP let him get away with it and furthermore sent some young men into a situation they were not prepared for. To save face they pulled the big sting and I bet any money if they used their techniques on at least half of the young men in Barrhead, they would have gotten the same results.
I notice they left out Mark Lindsay. If he gets off scot free b/c of a mental disorder, then I hope at least he is in a mental institution for life or until such time he is fit to stand trial. No doubt the drug combinations he took messed his grey matter up however he may have irreversible damage by now. That rock throwing from a bridge and that which killed the busdriver ... Mark was only 15 and already wayward.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2014, 11:27:32 AM »
I certainly agree with you on the topic of Mark.  It would appear that he may be found mentally incompetent to stand trial on the murder of Dana.  As far as the Big sting goes, it didn't work on him.  Crazy like a fox? He eventually said that he murdered Dana, but I don't believe it was a result of a Mr. Big sting.

As to Cheeseman  and company, I always felt uneasy about how he was set up by the RCMP.  They delivered a rifle to Roscoe, and it was never clear to me that the two of them knew why Roscoe wanted it, and they were not present when Roscoe used it.   Yes, Roscoe was an area bully.  Everyone was afraid of him. 

Unless, I missed something, I have always felt , there was something "not quite right" about the charges against Cheeseman and his brother-in-law.

It has been a number of years since this incident, and I cannot recall if this question was ever clearly answered.
Did these two men know what the rifle was being used for?

And - until recommendations for changes to Mr. Big are made, I wonder if any present "stings" will be placed on hold?

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 08:35:11 AM »
I guess this may answer some questions. I still do not believe that Hennessey really knew that Roszko intended killing police officers with that shot gun he asked for. Hennessey and Cheeseman were typical red neck country bumpkins but they were not ever involved with the law. I think from this article posted below, they are giving in though so their lives will be better. Roszko would have been in jail long ago if the police had handled him correctly.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1231933/update-shawn-hennessey-granted-temporary-unescorted-leave/

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 08:44:58 AM »
quote SAP: I guess this may answer some questions. I still do not believe that Hennessey really knew that Roszko intended killing police officers with that shot gun he asked for. Hennessey and Cheeseman were typical red neck country bumpkins but they were not ever involved with the law. I think from this article posted below, they are giving in though so their lives will be better. Roszko would have been in jail long ago if the police had handled him correctly.
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Yes, that is exactly my original thoughts when this was unfolding.  Their families have said the same thing.

It all began with a car dealership sending someone out to Roscoes property to reposess a truck.
The Cheesman and company provided the rifle.

I so agree, that the police should of handled this man (Rozcoe) a long time ago.
Very sad indeed.  But as Hennessey said, a simple phone call would of saved lives, and he did not make that call.  Things have changed since the two were arrested and charged.  Now we find Hennesey taking responsibility for his part in it.  I can't help but wonder............ ???


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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 01:44:48 AM »
I would have been terrified for myself and my family for making "the call" and Roszko remained alive. In fact, in Hennessey's case, I would not have made a call for that very reason.
There are many people out around Mayerthorpe who could tell you what it was like to cross JR. It's not exactly a piece of cake looking at a gun barrel or a sharp knife while being raped by the ugly maniacal lowlife slug.
Too bad the young police men don't tell their stories ... the one who moved away from there in order to protect their families after they tried to get a case against JR. JR made sure they were peeing their pants by the time he was finished. The heirarchy of the constabulary should have done something more; not just cover up why they had such a turnover of young cops. Like I said they would have had enough to convict and keep the creep in jail if they didn't pretend he wasn't there. And also like I meant in the op ... Hennessey, I'm certain (other than not being a killer or a killer's sidekick) is agreeing to and taking responsibility because he's not a sissy (like those who turned their eyes away from JR years ago). I am damned certain he was afraid for his wife and kids if JR lived and remained out of jail.
People got threats from JR for just doing their job ... as in ... even the school bus route manager who changed routes to cut costs for the county and less travel time for the school kids. One route he cut was a route past JR's place because there were no more kids on that route at his end and it was more feasible to pick up kids further down the road from another route and it had nothing at all to do with JR. JR threatened him. He threatened everyone who got in his way and nothing at  all was ever done about him. It would be vigilante justice if the common everyday folks did something about the problem and the ones who swore to protect and serve ... looked the other way.

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 09:21:54 AM »
Unbelievable! Thank you for the info on Roscoe.  I think Hennesey is accepting responsibility to the authorities (by simply not making that phone call), in order to get parole.

He is not a dangerous man, a foolish one yes, but dangerous no. However, the cops made him pay a price for contributing to the loss of one of their own.  Not really all that fair, in my judgement.

He really could have used a better defence lawyer to begin with.

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 10:43:55 AM »
Yes, a good defense lawyer would have served them better but I guess it is the Court which allows the use of sting confessions or not. IMO, using it on Cheeseman was not much different than using it on the boys who were a ward of the province.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2014, 04:39:46 PM »
The police will have to learn to do proper forensic searches for evidence, much like investigative bureaus south of the border are doing and have been doing rather than relying on trickery.
They'll have to be on the ball much like Kehler in the Legebokoff case. Certainly not as they conducted the McCann case and others.
Mr. Big sting is outlawed everywhere except Canada. IMO it was used in absence of good detective work much of the time.