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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #270 on: October 26, 2018, 12:07:02 PM »
Thinking back to my growing up in a fishing community and being among avid boaters most of my adult life, I have to say that cinder blocks (concrete building blocks) are one of the most common items for anchoring a boat, that I've seen along lakes and waterways.  You could drive to water sources almost anywhere back in those days, and find cinder blocks left behind by people who were fishing previously ... poor man's anchor sort of thing ... convenient for the holes in them to tie rope to. 

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #271 on: November 03, 2018, 03:22:08 PM »
Someone local to the area of the reservoir would have known this.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #272 on: November 14, 2018, 06:11:02 PM »
New photo from the book written about the Barb Stoppel murder. Terry Arnold from back in the day... Photo comparison Kelly Cook killer composite..
barbstoppel.com
 
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #273 on: November 14, 2018, 08:17:36 PM »
good one D ..... great find... did you get the year it was taken?   guess I'll try the link  :-\

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #274 on: November 15, 2018, 01:55:10 PM »
I believe the picture is from around 1981.. The book link (compliments of wellwell) has a huge amount of info about T.Arnold. Lots of this we had debated and searched for in the past. We were told on here that a book was in the making and that a retired Police member was writing it. It took awhile but he did a good job of it as far as he could go. He mentions all the other known murder cases attributed to T. Arnold but no mention of either Kelly Cook or Joanne Pederson..

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #275 on: November 15, 2018, 05:53:36 PM »
 :D  maybe he didn't dig as deep as we did D. .... or where we dug.  Sometimes we don't realize all we scratched up all these years;  as we devote leisurely and willing time to it all ... and also get to compare much more than what the authorities put in files.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #276 on: November 16, 2018, 05:01:35 PM »
There is a mark on TA's chin, exactly where the composite sketch of Kelly Cook's killer placed it.

In the context of that year, 1981, it was a terrifying time for young women and girls in the Calgary area. Kelly's murder was one, but there were others, including:

https://calgarysun.com/news/local-news/corbella-it-could-have-been-me-calgary-woman-recalls-escaping-certain-murder/wcm/29bf7516-58d2-43d2-af6c-5faef844a19d

If Kelly's killer had been caught, he might have already been released. It's hard to fathom.

ETA: This is the only image I have ever seen of James Peters.

https://goo.gl/images/9dqZJv

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #277 on: November 17, 2018, 10:18:41 PM »
I was fairly impressed by the police member who wrote the book on Arnold and Barb Stoppel. He’s seems an honest guy in a system that has 90% plus honest members. That leaves a few out and its not his job to chase all where that goes. He points out what went wrong for Barb Stoppel including the evidence of a coverup and evidence tampering. Arnold was the only beneficiary of any of that.. there was so much that Arnold could never be charged. This same Police member writing the book did the actual Police interrogations and interviews with T. Arnold when he was in prison.. He did better than anyone else ever did. Except for maybe that one blurted out confession from a drunken T. Arnold, he got the most detail.

The perfect setup for a confession was a setup that was as accidental as you can get, the perfect storm of events that pried a killers lips loose for a few minutes. I read that this was not usual for Arnold to talk like he did that night. He was a liar but a very smart and controlled liar. He did not make false confessions over anything to anyone.
I’ve told the story on here before of Arnold’s drunken confession just to be scoffed at or to be called a liar myself. You learn a lot going through the process of having to prove something that may or may not have substance. Its only talk until you get into the verifiable details. Then if the information is to be considered, it needs to be of a nature that is not of public knowledge like hold back evidence or something that only the killer would know. If there are eye witness accounts, it needs to jive with the time and described event as well as any composite sketches originating from the incident.

If you look at the composite released for Kelly’s murderer, you notice it is shy on detail but a general outline and “feel” of what the guy looks like emerges. Even that latest photo of Arnold is enough to place him in the ball park. A haircut and a comb along with a set of shades heads him straight for the bingo hall.

Then there is the direction and manner in which Arnold drove when first picking up Kelly. Arnold described driving a figure eight sort of pattern to the end of the culdesac and back around at a fairly fast pace scrunching up his face as he passed by the Cooks home with the Cooks looking out the window. (witness’s to Arnold’s driving description)
The piece picked out by Arnold that he contested the most were the reports of Kelly’s body being tied by hands and feet to concrete blocks. He was adamant, she was wrapped around her body by rope with the blocks tied only to the ends of the ropes. He was very specific and seemed suspicious the Police had purposely put out the false info.

As far as the confession itself, you do not come across this happening with Arnold anywhere else except the botched big boss sting for Christine Brown. Even then Arnold only spoke of the one victim in question, never this long bragging expose of all his exploits. Shortly after he blurted all that out he left (lost) his job at the newspaper where he had been working trouble free for some time. He had attacked a woman, sexual assault, confinement, etc shortly after his drunken confession and the resultant confrontation. This too fits his pattern of acting out when being pushed too far. 

Same as why did he pick Kelly? Rejection was his number #1 trigger. The figure skater girl that Arnold was stalking at the time had just rejected him but while in the process of doing so she had innocently given out Kelly’s name. If you read the Arnold book, (down load at barbstoppel.com ) you will get why Kelly was killed. Arnold did not think like us, he was a psycho, a real one. Arnold knew the skater would put two and two together, would know he did it, and would forever be haunted by it. Arnold’s revenge.

 Given all that, Arnold is a proven serial killer who had lived around the Calgary area off and on back at the time of Kelly’s murder. His is the only confession we have heard of and he himself picked out and contested the “planted demonstrably false” reports in regard to mode of binding published in news reports from the day.

Barb Stoppel ( the book) shows us the nature of a Police coverup but also discloses detail that is relevant here. All the witnesses in Barb’s murder, same circa as Kelly, pegged the age of the perp at between 25 years old to 35 years old. Arnold was 19. The professional police comment was that he looked “much” older than 19.

Barb Stoppel ( from the book)shows us that official police reports were altered to remove Terry Arnold from all earlier reports. The Police investigators excuse for doing so; to cover their own asses for why they never looked at Arnold for Barb’s murder instead of the falsely convicted Thomas Sophonow in the first place. (even though T. Sophonow was a good 6-8 inches taller than any witness descriptions) Or is there more to it than that???

Note for Kelly, her killer is described as being 30 years old plus by most all witnesses and thus for the  Police, Arnold is again ruled out.. Even to the point that the only person to contest that 30+ age was told to shut up about it. This was the young man who followed T. Arnold out of the funeral home where Arnold had shown up demanding to see Kelly’s body. (shades of guy going to hospital to see Barb Stoppel) This guy followed Arnold the intruder for a ways from the funeral home and pegged him as being a teen to early twenties, his own age. As in similarities with Barb Stoppel investigation, this descriptor has been covered up.

So Mr. Andrew Mikolajewski, (author and ex Winnipeg Police)  and Susan Wilton, ( former investigative newspaper reporter) both aware of what has been said on here in the past in regard Arnold being the #1 suspect for Kelly’s murder? Why the silence ? It’s a secret silent precursor to Barb Stoppel where the Police make some of the same “mistakes” Or is that really a valid excuse given the number of cases exhibiting this same sort of agenda??? Would the conclusion in the book be the same if it was known that Kelly Cook was murdered by the same person as and prior to Barb Stoppel?

I’ve written and posted names on here before only to see this entire site shut down, unscheduled unannounced moves to new servers, pictures lost, whole quotes and stories removed.. A couple of times maybe coincidence.. Enough’s enough for everyone with any real interest in justice here, truth may be as close as you are going to get.. If you have information please post it asap.

There is sufficient to call for a real investigation into Kelly Cook’s murder ala the Barb Stoppel investigation by Mr. Andrew Mikolajewski. It’s the same suspect, half the work has already been done. The Police won’t come out looking good in any case involving T. Arnold but is that reason enough not to hear the truth? Or is there something worse yet we aren’t to know?

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #278 on: November 18, 2018, 01:28:34 PM »
It never ceases to amaze my how logical much of our research and years of observations actually are in this and many cases.  Suffice to say those suppose to be finding out the truth have much disgrace to face (for their incompetence and/or worse) over and over again in the past;  and the system holds all the power to deal or not deal with past mistakes and corrupt acts.  Top this with the fact that those left behind by victims are too old, too tired of fighting for justice, and too worn out with remorse and regret to take their heads out of the sand in many cases.  It is easier to condemn what is brought to light in such severe cases.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #279 on: November 18, 2018, 05:40:00 PM »
Kelly and Barb Stoppel are tied together in some ways. The Police officer who wrote the Book on T. Arnold and Barb Stoppel lists Barb as Arnold's first victim. Well maybe not ??? The wrong person faced trial three times for Barb's murder and there was an inquiry following that. Even then when T. Arnold surfaced in the investigation as the real prime suspect, he was never charged. Barb had a brother and a very dedicated cop pushing for more answers all along the way. Kelly has none of that going for her.

Kelly likely provides answers even for Barb Stoppel but it's not the type of answers anyone wants to hear. Very hard to deal with a pattern of obstruction and play it off as accidental mistakes time after time. Truth is a very bitter pill to swallow at times.. All of Arnold's cases need to be looked at together to understand what happened. Kelly Cook and Joanne Pederson are still completely off the radar. They need to be included for the complete picture to form. It appears that the Police have used Arnold as a live case study allowing all of these young girls to be used as fodder, guinea pigs in their illegal study. Our government is probably liable for millions of dollars in compensation to all of the victims families if the truth were known. Much like the illegal lsd experiments conducted on unsuspecting Canadian citizens in the past. How hard are they going to protest the reinvestigation of Kelly or Joanne? More so than any third world banana dictatorship for we are a "prized" democracy where this sort of thing just doesn't happen right?


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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #280 on: November 22, 2018, 01:02:43 PM »
Kelly and Barb Stoppel are tied together in some ways. The Police officer who wrote the Book on T. Arnold and Barb Stoppel lists Barb as Arnold's first victim. Well maybe not ??? The wrong person faced trial three times for Barb's murder and there was an inquiry following that. Even then when T. Arnold surfaced in the investigation as the real prime suspect, he was never charged. Barb had a brother and a very dedicated cop pushing for more answers all along the way. Kelly has none of that going for her.

Kelly likely provides answers even for Barb Stoppel but it's not the type of answers anyone wants to hear. Very hard to deal with a pattern of obstruction and play it off as accidental mistakes time after time. Truth is a very bitter pill to swallow at times.. All of Arnold's cases need to be looked at together to understand what happened. Kelly Cook and Joanne Pederson are still completely off the radar. They need to be included for the complete picture to form. It appears that the Police have used Arnold as a live case study allowing all of these young girls to be used as fodder, guinea pigs in their illegal study. Our government is probably liable for millions of dollars in compensation to all of the victims families if the truth were known. Much like the illegal lsd experiments conducted on unsuspecting Canadian citizens in the past. How hard are they going to protest the reinvestigation of Kelly or Joanne? More so than any third world banana dictatorship for we are a "prized" democracy where this sort of thing just doesn't happen right?

It should be obvious that obstruction has occurred. There is no other explanation that makes any sense. No wonder the family seems to have given up hope of resolution. Somewhere along the line, the powers that be forgot their duty to Kelly Cook and to her family.

This is betrayal. Apparently, it doesn't bother any of those complicit persons enough to blow the whistle. If they had a conscience, the truth would have come out by now.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #281 on: November 22, 2018, 03:53:57 PM »
Police are a horrifying form of brotherhood;  Anybody cop who breaks the code of silence would surely disappear off the face of the earth.  .. and even if he had confessed to, or cleared his conscience to a relative, it's not likely any secret would ever be revealed.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #282 on: November 23, 2018, 09:12:05 AM »
I have so many unanswered questions, as I'm sure many here do.

When James Peters came to public attention after the murders he committed in the Okotoks area in 1981/1982, did the RCMP ever trace his activities earlier in 1981? He was said to have worked on pig farms. There were hog farms in the Standard/Rockyford area. Were area farmers asked about hired hands matching the description of Kelly Cook's killer? Did any of them lend a vehicle  to a hired hand to run errands in town? Did any hired hands suddenly quit after Kelly was taken? Were outbuildings and hired hand accommodation checked for anomalies? What about sexual assaults in the area? Peters also worked on a chicken farm closer to Okotoks. What about chicken farms near Standard?

Another question I have relates to one of Peters' victims, Laurie Boyd. A friend of Laurie posted on social media this week that Laurie Boyd had dated a fellow from the Winnipeg area in the months before her death, and that she had been hanging out with two guys from far away. Were these three ever investigated? Sure curious about that Winnipeg-area connection.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #283 on: November 25, 2018, 12:43:55 PM »
I sure wish Laurie Boyd's friend would come on here to tell us what Laurie's Winnipeg-area boyfriend looked like. 1981 is a long time ago, but given what happened to Laurie in early 1982, she might have that face seared in her memory.