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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2015, 10:37:15 AM »
Does anyone know if the composite sketch of Kelly Cook's killer has ever been age-progressed by the RCMP? It is a vague sketch, but what would this man look like in 2015?

If this man is still walking the earth, does he wear cowboy hats or ball caps all the time? Does he have any hair, or is it long gone by now (a sticky point for a man who obviously took pride in the hair of his youth)? Did he grow a mustache/beard? What kind of glasses does he wear? Has he had treatment for the sun damage to his face?  Is he still in Alberta? Does he have children and grandchildren, a wife? Did he get his stocky build from sports...thinking of CTE, which is the subject of much talk now. Is he in a dementia ward, where he might one day talk the truth? Is he a person who is untouchable in some way (prominent family, leader in his community, business and social connections, an informant), as discussed previously in this thread? Would he insist on photo-shopping his skin damage in any photos taken now? Vanity and cockiness seem to be part of this man's persona.

And why, oh why, the reservoirs? Kelly was dumped at Chin, a weapon reported missing by a rancher and believed to be connected to the Peter Sopow and Lorraine McNab murders near Pincher Creek was also found at Chin Reservoir. And on September 13, Victoria Crow Shoe's body was found on the banks of the Oldman River Reservoir.

Does anyone think a man of a certain age would still be capable of harming others in his golden years, or would he teach the tricks of his trade to his offspring?

Today there was a murder in Taber, which reminded me of this thread.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2015, 11:11:56 AM »
Thinking back to what I said a long time ago, there is one way Kelly's abductor/killer could fit the description of being stocky, but about 5'10" and 160 pounds. He could have been very muscular and fit. He may have appeared lighter than his actual weight, due to muscle mass being dense.

He must be feeling pretty smug if he is still alive:  he has gotten away with this for a very long time. If he did it once, he probably did it again. Sooner or later, he'll mess up. The mighty do fall.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2015, 12:53:11 PM »
What if we started over? What if Kelly Cook's murderer is "none of the above"?

I've long wondered if people in the Standard/Hussar area were blinded by the assumption that Clifford Olson took Kelly. Maybe that prevented them from thinking back to who was walking among them in March and April of 1981.

It is possible that "Bill Christensen" chose Kelly not as a second or third choice. Maybe he started looking for girls, and learned that Kelly and her family were new arrivals. They wouldn't recognize him. Another mother might say, "Hey, that's Joe. I saw him at the auction last month." He could have been an occasional visitor to Standard, who mostly spent his time on farms, without stopping in to town. Kelly's dad didn't work in town. He wouldn't have been around the farms. He worked at a gas plant. Definitely not a farmer. It would have been easy for "Bill Christensen" to chitchat for this information back then when people were more trusting.

He may have worn ball caps or cowboy hats most of the time, or wore his hair in a different style. He may never have worn sunglasses, except on that one day. Maybe he grew a beard or mustache after Kelly went missing, or before he abducted her. If he knew people in the area, this might have been enough for them to exclude him as a possibility. They were all thinking it was an outsider. He was, but he wasn't.

Maybe the stop in Hussar was part of his job, some unfinished business he had before he left town.

What would bring someone to town in March and April in 1981? Calving season, a calf auction? Back in those days, cows were bred to calve later in the spring than they are now.

There is something about the composite sketch that is useful: that prominent mark on the left side of his chin. If it was a mole, he may have had it removed after Kelly was murdered. There is a possibility that he still has that distinctive mark, but it's not quite where the sketch shows it.  Maybe it's further back on his jaw, or lower towards his neck. He'd probably have jowls now that he's anywhere from about 64 to 74 years old. People gain weight with age. Sun damage is cumulative, so he may have had treatments.

Montana and Taber have been discussed. What's in Montana? Cattle. He might have been familiar with Taber, and visited there too, for work, but he may not have lived there. Too close to the Chin Reservoir for comfort. He was familiar with Chin. He felt no need to conceal Kelly's body permanently, just long enough for him not to be around when she was found.

He must have known how schools work when he went fishing for information from Kelly's principal. Either he had children, or something else taught him how to work the system. Kelly's principal didn't fall for it.

He could manipulate. He had an ego, thus the brusque manners. He wasn't distinctive enough for people to look at him and think, "stranger danger". He could fit in, because he was nothing special appearance-wise. He only thinks he's special.

Does this sound feasible? I'm hearing crickets.






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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2015, 01:11:19 PM »
I wonder if he was a relative of Bill Christianson?  The Christianson family farmed around Chin Lake, and by all accounts were well known.
After all is said, I find it remarkable that those in Standard could not identify this person, who claimed to be Bill Christianson, as a phoney.

One would think that a few people would recognize the real B.C.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2015, 08:00:26 PM »
It may be that he was a relative. Or maybe he went to funerals in the area, or graveyards, to find an identity. He wouldn't have had to go far to find Christiansons. Bill Christianson's family were as close as Bassano and Gem. So many witnesses have passed away by now, or are very elderly. It would be very difficult to remember things that happened so long ago, unless some of them had kept records of visitors for some reason. I suppose this is headed down a cow path, but there's always a chance something will spark a memory.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2015, 05:27:56 PM »
Taber has come up over and over again in this thread. Little Hailey Dunbar-Blanchette, murdered this month in Blairmore, Alberta, was born in Taber.

http://www.fantinsfuneralchapel.ca/notices/Hailey-Lynn-Dunbar-Blanchette

As I've mentioned before, a murder in Taber earlier this week reminded me of Kelly's thread. The murder took place on a farm.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2237962/rcmp-investigate-murder-near-taber/

Do you think the RCMP in 1981 investigated temporary hired hands on nearby farms, especially the various Christianson family farms? Taber would have been far enough away that people in Standard wouldn't know such a person. As was stated long ago, it was seeding time. It may have been the end calving season, too. Being April 22, it is also possible that a university or college student could have finished spring exams and went out looking for work, especially an agriculture student.



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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2015, 05:51:42 PM »
What is it about Taber? This article says that back in the early 1980s, the area experienced an influx of newcomers, Mennonites who had left Canada decades earlier in rejection of mandated compulsory provincial education. They began returning from Mexico and South America to escape violence there. Many of these people took up farm work or processing jobs in Canada, but many haven't been on good terms in Taber. Bad manners and uncivil behavior led to a recent bylaw that earned the town national attention.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/tabers-real-target-mennonites/

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2015, 11:08:57 AM »
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OOPS -Kelly Cook was murdered April 22 1981 - Bill was picked up in Montreal April 16, 1981.
  .... looks good on paper

The same could be said about Harvey Andres. He escaped from prison in March 1981 and was back in custody just in time not to have been in Standard on April 22. Looks good on paper.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//news/canada/no-barber-lack-of-sunlight-band-of-violent-prisoners-suing-over-uncomfortable-conditions-at-saskatchewan-penitentiary

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2012/12/07/convicts_suing_over_uncomfortable_extremes_in_saskatchewan_prison.html

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2015, 11:47:46 AM »
Thinking in terms of the name of Bill Christensen, here is a link to a vicious killer, which has been included in this thread
and discussed.

I am wondering if the killer of Kelly served time with Bill Christensen, and gave his name, not knowing that there was
a family named Christensen in the area.

http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christenson--william-dean.htm

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Re: Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2015, 06:05:37 PM »
My thinking is that Kelly gladly took the babysitting job, and her parents were not one bit suspicious because the name Christensen was used by the perp, it being a well known name in Standard. But then again, why didn't the parents wonder who exactly this Bill Christensen was?  Or, did they know of a Bill Christensen and just assume it was him?

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2015, 09:29:24 AM »
 The Montreal angle to that story is bothersome, because we know that Kelly Cook's family had recently moved to the area from Montreal. There had been a number of young women in Quebec brutally murdered in the late 1970s and early 1980s. One series of murders was attributed to the "Bootlace Killer".

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2015, 04:53:23 PM »
Apparently, if one reads back, Mrs. Cook became alarmed when Kelly did not check in to say that she had arrived safely
at her babysitting job, and called up the Post Mistress.  She asked her if there are any Bill Christiensen's living in the,
in the Standard area, and was told NO. The postmistress would know all of the names of the residents of Standard and area, simply
by mail delivery.

Mrs Cook then became alarmed and called police.

The following may answer many questions about the  BC name.  Apparently, the C family was not known in the Standard area at that time.

The C family were in New Dayton area, not the Standard area.  Just found this out by way of internet checking historical
records.  They did have a connection to Chin reservoir, by way of fishing - as did many others, which is a 2 1/2 hour drive from Standard

The long and the short of it is --- the C family were not known in Standard.

New Daytons citizens would shop in Lethbridge never small town Standard.

That might explain a lot. The name BC in Standard, was just that.... just another name.

jb
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2015, 01:12:06 AM »
What if we started over? What if Kelly Cook's murderer is "none of the above"?

I've long wondered if people in the Standard/Hussar area were blinded by the assumption that Clifford Olson took Kelly. Maybe that prevented them from thinking back to who was walking among them in March and April of 1981.

It is possible that "Bill Christensen" chose Kelly not as a second or third choice. Maybe he started looking for girls, and learned that Kelly and her family were new arrivals.

Maybe the stop in Hussar was part of his job, some unfinished business he had before he left town.

What would bring someone to town in March and April in 1981? Calving season, a calf auction? Back in those days, cows were bred to calve later in the spring than they are now.

There is something about the composite sketch that is useful: that prominent mark on the left side of his chin. If it was a mole, he may have had it removed after Kelly was murdered. There is a possibility that he still has that distinctive mark, but it's not quite where the sketch shows it.  Maybe it's further back on his jaw, or lower towards his neck. He'd probably have jowls now that he's anywhere from about 64 to 74 years old. People gain weight with age. Sun damage is cumulative, so he may have had treatments.

Montana and Taber have been discussed. What's in Montana? Cattle. He might have been familiar with Taber, and visited there too, for work, but he may not have lived there. Too close to the Chin Reservoir for comfort. He was familiar with Chin. He felt no need to conceal Kelly's body permanently, just long enough for him not to be around when she was found.

He must have known how schools work when he went fishing for information from Kelly's principal. Either he had children, or something else taught him how to work the system. Kelly's principal didn't fall for it.

He could manipulate. He had an ego, thus the brusque manners. He wasn't distinctive enough for people to look at him and think, "stranger danger". He could fit in, because he was nothing special appearance-wise. He only thinks he's special.

Does this sound feasible? I'm hearing crickets.

Bolded #1: The RCMP have maintained Kelly was not the original target and another girl from Standard was.  This same girl was pictured in the Strathmore paper sometime shortly before the abduction and the killer had seen her in the paper, or so goes their theory.  She was the one the killer called the school about, but after getting his bluff called by the principal, he somehow got her number another way.  If I remember correctly (a lot of this info is in "Part 1"), she was called to babysit April 18th but was unable to do so.  When the caller asked if she could refer anyone, she brought up Kelly's name and passed along her number.  The odd thing was, she wasn't called until the morning of the 22nd...this is where I think this guy, as you suggest, had family.  The reason I think this is when you Google a 1981 calendar, April 17th -19th was Easter weekend, with the 20th being Easter Monday.  He had to have made those calls to the school sometime that week from the 13th-16th.  Four days between the calls to babysit I always found odd...was he doing recon on Kelly to see if she was his "type" or was he just plain busy with his regular life and knew he'd be in the area again later that week.

Bolded #2: Due to drought that summer and the high use of irrigation, the reservoir's water levels dropped substantially.  Her body was found about 200 meters to the east of the highway bridge and I can't recall how far off shore it was (where the shore would have been normally).  It was two teenagers dirt biking through the mud that found her body.  Due to the state of decomposition, the examiner believed she was placed there not long after she disappeared.  Interestingly enough, I posted this article quite some time ago on this site that a man going by "Peter" started calling girls in Canmore to babysit, but none could.  His M.O. was exactly that of Kelly's abductor so police wonder if it wasn't the same individual.  As this article was published Friday, September 11, 1981, it makes reference in the opening paragraph the girls were called Saturday...it is safe to presume that would have been the preceding Saturday, which was September 5th and also, the September long weekend.  If it was the same person, he liked making his initial calls on Saturdays of long weekends, or so it seems.

(https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9HNkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aH4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=6329,185372&dq=kelly+cook+body&hl=en)



The following may answer many questions about the  BC name.  Apparently, the C family was not known in the Standard area at that time.

The C family were in New Dayton area, not the Standard area.  Just found this out by way of internet checking historical
records.  They did have a connection to Chin reservoir, by way of fishing - as did many others, which is a 2 1/2 hour drive from Standard

The long and the short of it is --- the C family were not known in Standard.

New Daytons citizens would shop in Lethbridge never small town Standard.

That might explain a lot. The name BC in Standard, was just that.... just another name.

jb

That is strange, I was always under the impression that surname was (and still is) quite common around there and is why the killer chose that name, to blend in with a more common surname.  There is even a trucking company based out of Standard named "Christensen Carriers" (irrelevant I know, but the name is the same).  A poster by the name of AaronP referenced these "Alberta Report" articles in Part 1.  According to them, the Christensen name was quite common around there.  Was the reporter over-exaggerating how common the name was then? "30 families" for that area does seem on the large side.

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I referenced the following articles re: the lead-up to the abduction of Kelly Cook:

(1) Alberta Report, May 8, 1981, p.48

(2) Alberta Report, June 5, 1981, p. 35

(3) Alberta.com news article, April 22, 2001, "Who Killed Kelly?"


'The tragic story actually began to unfold in March 1981 when a man telephoned the principal of the local school requesting information about a particular student, not Kelly. When the principal refused to comply, the man hung up. Then, on April 18, four days before the abduction, a local 17-year-old girl received a call from a man identifying himself as Bill Christensen. He asked her if she could babysit. The teenager said she couldn't but gave him the names of Kelly and another friend'. (3)

' At 8:20 a.m. on April 22, the telephone rang in the Cook house. Kelly answered, but nobody was there. Less than five minutes later the phone rang a second time and it was Bill Christensen asking her to babysit that night. Police suspect the first call was made from a country telephone booth outside a Shell service station several kilometres outside of town. The phone worked by inserting a quarter after the person being phoned answered and police speculated that the man didn't know how it worked and then walked inside the service station. On the way inside, he asked a trucker if he could use the office phone. The trucker suggested he ask the service station owner'. (3) '... service station attendant Lee Abbott was able to provide the RCMP with their only lead'. (1)

'The caller arranged to pick her up at 8 p.m. and bring her home by midnight, the curfew set by her parents for mid-week babysitting jobs, Miss Cook told a fellow student Cindy Krabsen, 16. Since she didn't recognize the voice, she had asked him if he knew where she lived. He reassured her by providing the names of her next door neighbours. But Miss Cook was uneasy. She had never heard of a Bill Christensen, although there are some 30 families in Standard with that surname. "She was asking quite a few people about him," recalls Miss Krabsen. "By the end of the day, she must have been anxious. Nobody knew who he was." Marion Cook recalled that her daughter, who had maintained an average exceeding 80% this year, completed her homework after school so she would be free in the evening'. (1)

'A man fitting the suspect's description was believed to have been in a hotel bar in Standard April 22. An informant told police the man used the phone in the bar, bought a case of beer, and left'. (2)

*** If the details listed in the above quoted articles are true and accurate, it would seem the killer was doing recon...it states he recited the Cook's next door neighbours to put Kelly at ease.
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Re: Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2015, 02:29:42 PM »
CCF. Thanks for your post.  I did some further research and yes, two C brothers left St. Paul Minn. in 1914 and bought up land in Standard District.

BC may have known that there were no Bill C's in the area. Perhaps C's by other names but no Bill.  Perhaps??
And he must have done further research, as how did he know the name of the Cook's next door neighbour?

Meticulously planned.   Why?
Was the thrill in the investigating, planning and executing?

jb
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Re: Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2015, 04:21:40 PM »
This  "Bill Christensen" may have gotten a hold of a phone book from Standard and both Christensen and Cook begin with "c", he may have noticed both families lived on the same street; then used that new found knowledge to further trap Kelly into believing this babysitting job was legit.
The phone books from the small towns were pretty small...