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Not from Standard and have never been there...but probably not...:)

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Here is some one to consider (unfortunately he did commit suicide) It is very difficult to find anything on Fernand Auger who was thought to have murdered Melanie Carpenter in 1995.  In fact it was very difficult to find anything on Melanie Carpenter.  I find this very odd in itself.  It was actually D1 who came up with her name
see http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3207.msg109982#new

Here is the info that I could find.

http://pi.library.yorku.ca/ojs/index.php/public/article/viewFile/30043/27606

Here he was caught on video camera using Melanie's debit card.

He can be seen around 0:37

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/society/crime-justice/the-long-lens-of-the-law/cameras-cameras-everywhere.html

and here is a bit of background on him given by a friend.

http://business.highbeam.com/4341/article-1G1-16429347/prime-suspect-fernand-auger-suicide-adds-mystery-woman



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After reading about T Arnold, I admit, he fits the bill best!! (re: Kelly Cook) I read T Arnold's thread, and I am shocked that law enforcement did very little - that he was allowed to continue on............

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2014, 05:49:40 PM »
Hi guys,  it's been awhile.   I think whomever has the ties to lethbridge/Taber  and area. There's a reason hey she was going there.  This man would have to know both areas. Meaning he more then likely drove that hi way. Knowing the going ons with that highway.  Knowing when and to put a body there. Etc.  He obviously did not know about irrigation.He probably figure the body wouldn't be found for a long while.
It's unfortunate that gag orders and these murders confess or brag about certain cases turn around and com it suicide.
I would go with arnold. It seems to me he would o have the connection to the standard area and the chin  location. Was he a trucker at some point?  Or just going to province to province collecting welfare?
It is possible he went down to the states and came up through couts border down highway and turned to the chin highway to Taber. .....


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Re: Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2014, 12:29:38 PM »
Hi guys,  it's been awhile.   I think whomever has the ties to lethbridge/Taber  and area. There's a reason hey she was going there.  This man would have to know both areas. Meaning he more then likely drove that hi way. Knowing the going ons with that highway.  Knowing when and to put a body there. Etc.  He obviously did not know about irrigation.He probably figure the body wouldn't be found for a long while.
It's unfortunate that gag orders and these murders confess or brag about certain cases turn around and com it suicide.
I would go with arnold. It seems to me he would o have the connection to the standard area and the chin  location. Was he a trucker at some point?  Or just going to province to province collecting welfare?
It is possible he went down to the states and came up through couts border down highway and turned to the chin highway to Taber. .....



Ferdinand Auger lived in Lethbridge in early 80's.

Taken from Melanie Carpenter Thread.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3207.msg109981#msg109981

Fernand Auger
http://business.highbeam.com/4341/article-1G1-16429347/prime-suspect-fernand-auger-suicide-adds-mystery-woman

quote from article:

Within days, Auger had become the prime suspect in the abduction of 23-year-old Melanie Carpenter, who disappeared shortly after noon on Jan. 6 from the Surrey, B.C., tanning salon where she was working alone. In the two days following Carpenter's disappearance, at least four people observed Auger in the southern Alberta city of Lethbridge, where he had lived and worked in the early 1980s.
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 Kelly was murdered in 1981.  Auger lived in the Lethbridge -Taber area in the early 80's.  His past included time for sexual assaults on teenage prostitutes, and time for armed robbery.
He also worked in Calgary as a waiter in a high class restaurant - so even with a criminal record, he was able to get a job.   He was a smooth talker.

He did not know Melanie, drove to Surrey BC from Calgary, phoned up her tanning salon and said that he was a business man from out of town and would like to treat a few clients to a tan - and would she please order some fancy sandwiches, etc.

The person who murdered Kelly, also in his hunt, called around and phoned a few girls looking for a baby sitter.

Very similar--- method of obtaining a victim. 


---- More to come on Auger...... (if I can find more lol)

 
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2014, 02:53:19 PM »
More on Auger and the murder of Melanie:

Keeping in mind, the killer of Kelly -look at the similiarities.

http://pi.library.yorku.ca/ojs/index.php/public/article/viewFile/30043/27606

Melanie was murdered in 1995- by this time, Auger was older and balding.
excerpts:

The Luring
She was working at Island Tan Tanning
Studios in the Evergreen strip mall in Surrey, not far from where she lived.
A few regular clients came in for appointments, but she was alone when she
received an unusual call shortly after lunch. A man said that he represented
a group of Japanese businessmen who were interested in buying a franchise
from Island Tan. He claimed that the group wanted the salon to themselves so
they could inspect the tanning beds. Melanie called her boss, Gary Marshall,
who was working at a nearby location, and Gary told Melanie that he was
on his way to assist her.

Gary Marshal1 arrived at the store 15 minutes later. When the phone
rang again, Melanie handed him the receiver.

"He was very soft spoken-a good command of the English language,"
said Gary.
During the conversation, the mysterious man cancelled his appointment,
saying that a member of his group had become ill over lunch. He agreed to call
again to discuss rescheduling the meeting, but five minutes later he telephoned,
for the last time, and asked if it was possible to supply hors d'oeuvres.
"When I look back on it now, it's clear he was trying to get me to leave
the store," Gary later reflected. "But at the time we both thought it was a
joke. Melanie herself kind of laughed it off.''
Gary left the salon at 1:30 p.m. and returned to Island Tan's Newton Village
location, but when a confused customer called him from the Evergreen mall
an hour later to say that the place was vacant, he raced back. Melanie was
gone. The salon's rear door was unlocked, and $250 was missing from the
cash register. Gary called the police.

The next day, CBC Radio announced that a man had been photographed
by an InstaBank security camera making a $300 withdrawal with Melanie's
bank card only minutes after she disappeared. The computer-enhanced
photographs were shown on TV and published in newspapers, but the radio
could only offer descriptions. The man was balding. He had a moustache and
appeared somewhat disheveled. He was about 5' 9" and was probably in his
early to mid-forties. He was thought to be driving a red Hyundai hatchback

A week passed before the man in the surveillance photographs was
identified. Fernand Auger was a convicted sex offender who worked as a
waiter in Alberta. He had recently been granted a statutory release after
serving two-thirds of an armed robbery sentence in the Bowden Institution,
near Calgary.

A prison psychologist described him as having a "fairly advanced antisocial
personality disorder."

A bartender related that Fernand Auger had once been a regular customer,
and that he would arrive during happy hour and drink a dozen glasses of
cold draft before heading out with a polite good-bye.

"He was quiet. He was never rude. I talked to him quite a few times
because he always sat at the bar," she related. "He never really talked about
anything specific."

Auger's boss in Calgary said he was the best waiter he'd ever had. "He
called in sick on New Year's Day, and I never saw him again."
"He was a very fast talker, rambled on fairly quickly. I've heard he had
anti-social tendencies, but you couldn't tell."

The next morning, three weeks to the day after Melanie disappeared, and
eight weeks before her twenty-fourth birthday, police were able to confirm
to Steve Carpenter that his daughter was dead. Watching the televised press
conference from the Bring-Melanie-Home Headquarters in the Surrey Inn,

Melanie's family and friends listened as police described how her body was
found with several knife wounds and her hands tied behind her back. They
said they believed she had been killed within hours of being abducted. Sobs
and wounded cries rose from the crowd gathered around the television set.

Autopsy results later confirmed that Melanie had been sexually assaulted.
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He drove over 10 hours from Calgary to Surrey to lure a victim of whom he had never met./jb

I NOMINATE AUGER FOR CONISDERATION AS BEING THE POSSIBLE KILLER OF KELLY COOK.
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2014, 07:25:25 PM »
Family still fighting for justice 30 years after child's murder


http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=220afbf4-e1d4-47a3-8a4c-6ea9961182eb&p=1
article from 2011.


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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2014, 10:48:34 PM »
I hope we will learn more about Garry/Gary Taylor Handlen soon. Was he free on 1981 when Kelly Cook was taken? He's been charged with two murders of adolescent girls in B.C. and was known to travel often between the two provinces. He has a criminal record, apparently for sexual assaults, and is 67 years old now. He has a left part in his hair, and distinctive earlobes. Monica Jack is one of his alleged victims, as is Kathryn-Mary Herbert.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2014, 12:18:34 AM »
An older white car was seen when Kathryn-Mary Herbert went missing. Was Handlen free in 1981? Did he have relatives in the standard area? Was gas being stolen from farms around the time of Kelly's abduction and murder?


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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2014, 12:30:51 PM »
D2, I posted a link and explained that it was highly unlikely that he had escaped or managed to get out on  medical or work leave at the time of the Kelly Cook murder. It is not showing, for some reason. Further, he was arrested in Surrey. I believe police are calling on the public for information that may link him to other highway murders in B.C. and Alberta. 

Also interesting, Kathryn-Mary Herbert's  mother at one time believed that the case was an "inside job": files lost and evidence mishandled to protect someone. Another Terry Arnold? I don't know if she has changed her mind. She had been very outspoken, which is probably a motivating factor in the arrest.

http://www.abbynews.com/news/171234111.html

"Shari Greer
Police continue to deny it was an 'inside job' Go figure."



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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2014, 12:19:25 PM »
Welcome back Wellwell. I missed your input on the board. You were always "thinking outside the box".

Garry travelled extensively throughout Alberta and BC.  But, we do not know the years.

This is unfortunate.  We have children murdered in Alberta, and the perp never caught, plus a few young women in their late teens, early twenties.

Garry, not only liked children, he also liked young ladies.
we have Tania Murrell, Melissa Jane Letain.  The list goes on. - in Edmonton alone.
All in the 80's. 

He was seen in Minden, Ontario in November.  What compelled him to go to Surrey, BC?  Was it  to look for another victim?  - Or was he escorted to Surrey by Ontario police, and charged by the RCMP with the murders?  No one has ever said.
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Re: Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2014, 03:48:50 PM »
We are all wondering who else Handlen may have murdered.   The timeline on the serial killer thread for him says he was found guilty in1978 and his sentence was reduced to twelve years.   Can we safely say he was in jail in the eighties?

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2014, 04:32:05 PM »
It appears that we can safely say that Handlen was incarcerated through the eighties. I don't wish to distract from Kelly's thread so will post only the link. There is information in the article which speaks of Handlen's prison terms.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/284504361.html?mobile=true

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2014, 05:35:54 PM »
Taken from Timeline on last conviction.

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1978: In September Handlen picked up a hitchhiker near Hope, B.C. He later stopped the car and repeatedly sexually assaulted her. He dragged her by the neck and also placed his thumbs on her throat, choking her. She managed to escape, half naked, and was picked up by a passing motorist. Handlen was sentenced to 18 years, but on appeal that sentence was later reduced to 12 years.
Since his release from prison Handlen has spent time in Edmonton, and more recently, in Minden, Ont.

So he would have been freed in 1991? Note that he spent time in Edmonton
There is a thread for him under Serial Killers in Canada.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=7409.msg112649#new