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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #285 on: March 04, 2019, 07:58:56 PM »
interesting wellwell !  When I get a chance, I'll look for a younger pic of him if I can find a certain old link I had years ago.  In the meantime, I can't help but wonder "what girls" he took pictures of.... also; if there is any record of the amount of time he spent on his victims, age group, preference, etc. 

I guess this is a place to start.... meaning if the following link will lead to contents or reports of the case against him at the bottom of the following page.  (will dig more this week)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ben_Rhoades

and here are some references Wikipedia used:  maybe they'll work

 "The Truck Stop Killer". GQ. November 2012.
 Cooper, Greg (2007). "Murder-One Jurisdiction at a Time: The Case of Robert Ben Rhoades". Forensic Examiner. 16 (4): 66–68. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Robert Ben Rhoades" (PDF). murderpedia.org. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Trucker Admits to More Murders". ABC News. 30 March 2012.
 Reavy, Pat (June 25, 2008). "Texas town to try case involving Utah body". Deseret News.
 "'Torture chamber' trucker sentence to life in prison". The Telegraph. March 30, 2012.
 Karen Brandel. "Cover Story: Dead End (February 29 - March 6, 1996)". www.tucsonweekly.com. Retrieved 15 July 2017.
 The People of the State of Illinois v. Robert Ben Rhoades, 259 Ill (1994).
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #286 on: March 04, 2019, 09:30:51 PM »
A Google image search of his full name brings up images of him earlier in life. He does resemble the composite sketch, glasses and all.

He kept some of his victims for extended periods of time. He preferred teenage girls, especially runaways. He liked to cut their hair. He gave some victims a chance to escape. That is perhaps the most compelling thing. Remember the call from the pay phone in Hussar? Rhoades enjoyed terrifying his victims.
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #287 on: March 05, 2019, 10:08:21 AM »
good point well (about Kelly's almost escape)  I don't remember if he was looked at before. 

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #288 on: March 05, 2019, 11:06:34 AM »
Can you find any information that suggests he was ever in Canada as a truck driver?

Personally, after reading about Robert Rhoades I can't say that I feel Kelly's murder fits his MO.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #289 on: March 05, 2019, 11:08:59 AM »
For starters:   a little thin in the face at the time... but maybe had lost weight. 
 Here he is in 1980 and the truck he was driving.  https://search.proquest.com/openview/386f4f0dc899bc7960fee3adeb6034ab/1?pq-origsite=gscholar

and here is a 1990 documentary (FBI) that tells the basic profile:  https://youtu.be/_IlAKyVynFU?t=65

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #290 on: March 05, 2019, 12:26:54 PM »
This guy was the "real sexual sadist"  .... as far as Kelly's murder goes, I cannot imagine this guy letting any girl go (unless Kelly's autopsy report was fabricated to keep a lot secret) ... Rhoades never walked away without doing "his thing" ... and he was never pragmatic enough to stalk and arrange a meeting IMO;  he always scooped his victims off the side of the road it seems.  Kelly was no way in this ball park. ... and Rhoades only seemed to have traveled the states.  Not a very likely suspect.  BTW, it seems Rhoades had a girlfriend, Barbara he met and married in 1983... she divorced him a few years later.  Here is a pic of Rhoades during those early years as a memeber of (you guessed it !)  a sick club:   Serial murderer: Mr Rhoades was involved in the BDSM and swinger scene in his hometown of Houston in the Eighties

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #291 on: March 05, 2019, 01:07:03 PM »
For starters:   a little thin in the face at the time... but maybe had lost weight. 
 Here he is in 1980 and the truck he was driving.  https://search.proquest.com/openview/386f4f0dc899bc7960fee3adeb6034ab/1?pq-origsite=gscholar

and here is a 1990 documentary (FBI) that tells the basic profile:  https://youtu.be/_IlAKyVynFU?t=65

That image is from 1990 when he was 44 or 45 years old, so it's likely he had more hair in 1981.

He did let a woman go. She escaped and contacted the police.
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #292 on: March 05, 2019, 01:14:05 PM »
Can you find any information that suggests he was ever in Canada as a truck driver?

Personally, after reading about Robert Rhoades I can't say that I feel Kelly's murder fits his MO.

Yes, debbiec. I posted a link to an article about an Alberta woman who has been in touch with U.S. authorities. She says she is the mystery woman whose photo was found in Rhoades' apartment and featured in a GQ article about him. She said he picked her up near Regina in 1985. She described details of the cab of his truck. He has only been found guilty of murders in the 1990s, but authorities said he had been driving truck since at least 1981. They suspect many more murders. 1981 would have been early in his (trucking) career. It is possible his methods changed as he became more succesful.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #293 on: March 05, 2019, 04:12:23 PM »
Seems its not 100% that the Alberta woman is the girl in the picture. Also, I believe another girl was identified in the U.S. since.

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Young pulled out one last picture and slid it across to me The photo was of a beautiful young girl, possibly Native American.

“She was on the end of the roll with Regina,” he said.

She’s shown sitting in Rhoades’s truck wearing a gray hoodie. Her eyes are partly closed, as if she’s stoned or sleepy. Rhoades must have just picked her up, because he hasn’t cut her hair yet. It is glossy black and long. No one knows who she is.”

Veselka confirmed that the photo in question was given to her by former FBI investigator Mark Young during her research for the 2012 GQ article.

She explained that the photo Milliken believes is her was found on alongside another of Rhoades victim, Regina Walters, at the end of same roll of film. That’s according to what Young told Veselka at the time.

However, the incidences were five years apart from one another.

When asked to explain how that could be, she said there were a lot of photos attached to the case.

“To me that inconsistency of where or when the photo was taken does not rule out her story. All of the photos came out of Rhoades apartment.” she said. “If that is her in the photo, that’s her in the photo. And that photo came out of Rhoades apartment.”

“He took a lot of photos.” she said. “To me it doesn’t matter if it was Rhoades or not, these guys are so common. If it wasn’t him it was someone like him.”

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #294 on: March 05, 2019, 05:14:56 PM »
I do hope that police on this side of the border look at the possibility that Robert Ben Rhoades was cruising Canadian highways. Look at the major truck routes, and truck stops.

I referred back to lostlinganer's post #195 in this thread. That may be why a guy like Rhoades would find himself in a place like Standard, cutting down a side road to make a delivery, and the truck broke down. It wouldn't be unusual to have to wait around for a couple of days for a part to be delivered via Greyhound, then wait for the part to be installed. Over load limit trucks also use side roads where they know police are patrolling.

It was the early days of Rhoades' career. Kelly fit the age profile of his victims, and where she was found was a fishing spot. He had a thing for fish hooks. I'm sure he settled on a method after a while. I hope police remain open-minded, even though this forum has a preferred suspect.

So many things have changed since 1981. Even Greyhound is gone in the west. Do we remember if the restaurant in Strathmore was a Greyhound depot or near one? I think Rhoades could have been attracted to bus depots for victims. In small towns, they were often little more than a building that opened for an hour when buses were scheduled to arrive and depart. In smaller towns, passengers were dropped off on the side of a road or at a gas station. Ironically, Greyhound bus drivers went on strike on April 22, 1981.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/04/23/Some-1400-Greyhound-Bus-Lines-workers-are-prepared-for/5803356850000/
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #295 on: March 05, 2019, 06:07:30 PM »
interesting wellwell !  When I get a chance, I'll look for a younger pic of him if I can find a certain old link I had years ago.  In the meantime, I can't help but wonder "what girls" he took pictures of.... also; if there is any record of the amount of time he spent on his victims, age group, preference, etc. 

I'm guess this is a place to start.... meaning if the following link will lead to contents or reports of the case against him at the bottom of the following page.  (will dig more this week)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ben_Rhoades

and here are some references Wikipedia used:  maybe they'll work

 "The Truck Stop Killer". GQ. November 2012.
 Cooper, Greg (2007). "Murder-One Jurisdiction at a Time: The Case of Robert Ben Rhoades". Forensic Examiner. 16 (4): 66–68. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Robert Ben Rhoades" (PDF). murderpedia.org. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Trucker Admits to More Murders". ABC News. 30 March 2012.
 Reavy, Pat (June 25, 2008). "Texas town to try case involving Utah body". Deseret News.
 "'Torture chamber' trucker sentence to life in prison". The Telegraph. March 30, 2012.
 Karen Brandel. "Cover Story: Dead End (February 29 - March 6, 1996)". www.tucsonweekly.com. Retrieved 15 July 2017.
 The People of the State of Illinois v. Robert Ben Rhoades, 259 Ill (1994).

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"He is additionally suspected of torturing, raping, and killing more than 50 women between 1975 and 1990, based on data about his truck routes and women who went missing during those years and who met the profile of his preferred victims. At the time he was caught, he claimed to have engaged in these activities for 15 years."

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #296 on: March 05, 2019, 07:08:32 PM »
As the anniversary of Kelly Cook's murder approaches yet again, I wonder if there is any significance to the fact that the anniversary and spring road bans occur at about the same time. Could this be what brought Kelly's killer to town? Was he a trucker?
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #297 on: March 05, 2019, 09:45:32 PM »
wellwell:  This is the story you are referring to that puts Robert Rhoades in Canada in 1985.  https://aptnnews.ca/2019/02/24/alberta-woman-recognizes-herself-in-photo-found-in-u-s-serial-killers-truck/

here is a bit of her story.... the rest, including pictures are at the above link.

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Investigates, National News | February 24, 2019 by Holly Moore | 0 Comments



Holly Moore
APTN Investigates

A Thunderchild First Nation woman made a chilling discovery online that could help police in two countries discover more about a convicted serial killer‘s activities.

“Hey, that’s me,” said Pamela Milliken to her then-boyfriend back in 2015. “He was like, yeah right.”

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(A post circulating on Facebook. Photo: Courtesy Pamela Milliken)

Milliken, now 52 said she was browsing through Facebook and she came upon a post asking for help identifying a young Indigenous woman in a photo found left in the semi-truck of “The Truck Stop Killer” Robert Ben Rhoades.

Rhoades is currently serving life sentences in Illinois for three murders. He pled guilty to the first degree murder of 14-year-old Regina Walters in 1992 after investigators found haunting photos of the teenager in his apartment.

His truck is said to have contained a homemade torture chamber.



(Robert Ben Rhoades)

Milliken was first referenced publicly in a 2012 GQ article by Vanessa Veselka.

She wrote about escaping a trucker like Rhoades herself and writes of how retired FBI investigator Mark Young gave her the photo.

One paragraph in the GQ story written relates a conversation Veselka had with Mark Young.

“Young pulled out one last picture and slid it across to me The photo was of a beautiful young girl, possibly Native American.

“She was on the end of the roll with Regina,” he said.

She’s shown sitting in Rhoades’s truck wearing a gray hoodie. Her eyes are partly closed, as if she’s stoned or sleepy. Rhoades must have just picked her up, because he hasn’t cut her hair yet. It is glossy black and long. No one knows who she is.”

Veselka confirmed that the photo in question was given to her by former FBI investigator Mark Young during her research for the 2012 GQ article.

She explained that the photo Milliken believes is her was found on alongside another of Rhoades victim, Regina Walters, at the end of same roll of film. That’s according to what Young told Veselka at the time.

However, the incidences were five years apart from one another.

When asked to explain how that could be, she said there were a lot of photos attached to the case.

“To me that inconsistency of where or when the photo was taken does not rule out her story. All of the photos came out of Rhoades apartment.” she said. “If that is her in the photo, that’s her in the photo. And that photo came out of Rhoades apartment.”

“He took a lot of photos.” she said. “To me it doesn’t matter if it was Rhoades or not, these guys are so common. If it wasn’t him it was someone like him.”



“I knew right away that it was me.” Milliken said. “I was going to find my brother in Winnipeg.”

She says she started hitchhiking from Thunderchild First Nation in Saskatchewan in the spring of 1985.

After a series of successful rides, she met up with a semi-truck driver she identifies as Rhoades in the town of White City just outside of Regina.

“The sun was setting, It was 8:00 or 9:00 at night. I was walking a ways and it was getting dark. I stuck my hand out and waited for someone to pick me up,” she said.

When a flat-nosed, white semi-truck stopped on the highway and she went running after it.

“I opened up the door and I looked at him,” she said. “ He said, ‘Hey jump up on in here.’ I said I have a really heavy bag you are going to have to help me with it. I put my bag on the seat and he said, ‘Yeah I’ll help you with that and he put it in the back.‘”

Just as Milliken was turning around to climb up onto the passenger seat, she says the driver took her photo.

“I said ‘What did you do that for?’ he said ‘Well I am going to take your pic. If you rip me off I can tell the cops that you stole from me.’”

She and the driver who introduced himself as “Robert” chatted on the way to Brandon, MB.

“He told me he was going to Florida and he wanted me to come with him,” she said. “At one point, he pointed to a sign on his dashboard that said ‘CASH, GRASS or ASS — No one rides for free.’”

“I didn’t have any money. I didn’t smoke pot so I knew which one it would be.” she said, adding that she and the driver had consensual sex in the back of the truck.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #298 on: March 05, 2019, 10:54:52 PM »
FWIW, he dropped her off at a bus depot in Winnipeg, lost.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #299 on: March 06, 2019, 09:17:07 AM »
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FWIW, he dropped her off at a bus depot in Winnipeg, lost.

Ty wellwell;  I had read that he dropped her off.  Maybe he had other plans (as if a schedule) ... and if it was him, he may have been uncomfortable, for some reason, with being in another country ... and the truck attracting attention.  .. who knows?  :-\