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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2014, 10:04:54 PM »
hi Lost;I like your doctored up version -- really neat!! But am hoping you can put up the photo of him with the original sketch and we can have a closer looksee?

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2014, 11:12:40 AM »
I joined the forum Lost. It's actually a Corvette forum and that piece on Bill Christensen was just something Mr. Vette put in there on someone's request back in 2008. I left a link to the sketch and asked for possibly more info.
It's likely a needle in a haystack situation however we'll see if anything comes from it.

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2014, 11:25:37 AM »
Sure worth looking at:  Seems to me, by the following, while in Canada, he murdered women in Montreal.
Stuck to the east coast in the US.

http://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christenson--william-dean.htm

A.K.A.:    "A real American Jack the Ripper"
 
 Classification:  Serial killer
 Characteristics: Rape - Dismemberment - Barroom altercation
 Number of victims: 4 +
 Date of murders: 1981 - 1982
 Date of birth: 1945
 Victims profile: Sylvie Trudel, 27 / Murielle Guay, 26 / Michelle Angiers / Jeffrey Schrader, 51
 Method of murder: Stabbing with knife / Shooting
 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada / Pennsylvania, USA
 Status: Sentenced to life in prison without parole in Pennsylvania in 1983
 
 A native of Bethesda, Maryland, born in 1945, Christenson logged his first felony conviction in 1969, charged with assault and battery in the stabbing of a teenage girl in Washington, D.C.

 Two years later, he pled guilty to raping a Maryland go-go dancer, serving nine years before his parole in 1980. On April 16, 1981, traveling as "Richard Owen," he was picked up for rape in Montreal, bargaining down to a guilty plea on charges of indecent assault. A year later, he was "inadvertently" released by Canadian authorities, despite a request that he be delivered to Maryland as a parole violator and suspect in other violent rapes.

   On April 27, 1982, the decapitated, dismembered body of 27-year-old Sylvie Trudel was found in the Montreal apartment occupied by "Richard Owen."

   That same afternoon, the sectioned corpse of Murielle Guay, 26, was found wrapped in trash bags at Mille-Isles, 50 miles northwest of Montreal.

   Police were initially reluctant to connect the crimes, noting that Trudel's killer displayed "a certain amount of expertise," while victim Guay was "really butchered," but their doubts were resolved by April 29, with murder warrants issued in the name of William Christenson.

   Back in the United States, Christenson met his parents at Lancaster, Pennsylvania, tapping their bank account for a $5,000 grub stake. (Both were later charged with harboring a fugitive.) With cash in hand, the killer started drifting over the eastern half of the country, spending time in Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania.

   He was living in Scranton, as "Stanley Holl," when go-go dancer Michelle Angiers was stabbed 30 times in a tavern parking lot at nearby Dickson, her body recovered on September 13, 1982.

 Nine months later, in Trenton, New Jersey, Christenson shot and wounded two black men whom he had befriended in a local saloon.

 On December 4 of that year, in Philadelphia, he used the same gun to kill another black, 51-year-old Jeffrey Schrader, in a barroom altercation. Arrested in that case, Christenson sat in jail while police searched his apartment, retrieving a bloody mattress and a hacksaw, matted with blood and hair. (No trace has been found to this day of the dancer with whom he had once shared the flat.) Convicted of the Schrader homicide, he drew a prison term of life without parole.

   By the summer of 1984, felony charges were piling up against Christenson. Trenton authorities wanted him for trial on the double shooting, while Montgomery County, Maryland, sought to try him on another rape charge. That August, Canadian authorities closed their file on the Montreal murders, citing Christenson's present life sentence, but he was already suspect in two other slayings, the victims dismembered with a hacksaw. Nationwide, police named him as a suspect in at least thirteen deaths with suggestions that the final count might reach thirty. Pennsylvania officers dubbed him "a real American Jack the Ripper."

   Christenson responded to the attention by striving to make himself mysterious, signing court documents with a check mark and challenging prosecutors to prove his identity. In November 1984, he spoke to Philadelphia newsmen about his "extreme mental and alcohol problems," voicing the fear that he would be charged by police in numerous unsolved murders.

   On February 16, 1985, Christenson left state prison in a heavily armed convoy, complete with helicopter escort, bound for Philadelphia and his arraignment in the murder of Michelle Angiers. Convicted of third-degree murder in that case, on August 5, 1987, the killer faced a new term of twenty years on completion of his existing life sentence.

 The investigation in Christenson's case continues, with further prosecutions anticipated by authorities in several states.

Michael Newton - An Encyclopedia of Modern Serial Killers - Hunting Humans
  OOPS -Kelly Cook was murdered April 22 1981 - Bill was picked up in Montreal April 16, 1981.
 
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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
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OOPS -Kelly Cook was murdered April 22 1981 - Bill was picked up in Montreal April 16, 1981.
  .... looks good on paper!
 

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Re: Re: Kelly Cook - 15 - Murdered - April 22, 1981 - Standard, AB - PART 2
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2014, 06:50:20 AM »
This composite also looks like another killer, whom has been discussed on this site.

The problem that I am having with this composite, is that it is so poorly done, it could be anyone.

Yet the police pinned it up at every general store  etc/ throughout the district.

I am sure that in the 80's talented composite artists existed within our forces.  They took the time and care to come up with a good likeness of any suspect.  Perhaps they did not have one within their jurisdictions, and had to fly with whatever they could put together (in a hurry). :( :( :(

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Was talking to a co-worker about Kelly Cook last week and she said her brother had been one of the boys that had found her. She informed me that where they were the water was not high so the person that killed her did not need a boat. The levels of chin go up and down, especially during irrigation.
I remember a few years back, about 2000? (not sure of exact year) that Chin was completely empty, in fact people, including us were quading directly under the bridge! About that time I remember hearing reports of police searching for a gun and other possible evidence in the murder.
Sorry, as a local I've always found this case interesting!

Also as I stated in a previous post, Christensen is a popular name around this area, Taber, Milk River, Raymond, Stirling, etc. And there was a family of Christensen's that owned land in Milk River and lived in Standard from what I found on the internet
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Lost it seems Bill committed a crime down east just prior to Kelly's death, however this is the answer i got from Mr. Vette on that forum link I posted:

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I missed the 1st note above, sorry.... My only recollection is my having a security job that involved walk through metal detectors, and so used our highest sense units in the prisons....MAX wards looking for knives/needles/etc.....and so one of my prison visits was to a joint in Pa. where he did in a lot of folks..... and so during that time, I had a wife and 2 small kids, and got a note from Larry about Bill's being on the lose and he warned about him possible renewing 'old friendships'......kids or not, I loaded one of my guns, and kept it pretty well hidden.....well Bill never contacted anyone that we know of.....and a story Larry found in the early/mid 80's was that Bill died in a Pa. prison, MAX ward.......supposedly of stomach cancer/some such.....Larry and I think he was poisoned which is fine by us and any other SANE person....eff em.....

I forget the location, but it was not so very far from a nice summer lake that my sis knew of, and so we went for a few nights camping, on a beer run, the store was right across the street from that MAX prison that I had visited on the job some time before......recognize THAT shit in a nanosecond....

So I guess that answers your question, NEVER a more sense of relief to hear of someone's passing.....course who in hell ever was friends with a mass murderer????

eta: Link: http://www.vettemod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562

I think the name Bill Christensen is a common name, so probably not the same person.
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Thanks for all the effort Sap.  ... surely if we keep the pot boiling, we will eventually hear a "sizzle"; otherwise, some killer is resting easy.

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A reporter from the Calgary Herald began to uncover Arnold’s past and all of what went on in regard the many murder investigations. She was preparing to write a book on the subject. I spoke with her a couple of times before she simply disappeared never to be heard from again. Her colleagues said she had left for Europe on a year long leave of absence. That was many years ago now. Suzanne Wilton had a great deal of information that could have had some bearing on Kelly's investigation.

http://ca.linkedin.com/in/suzannewilton

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Long+Canadian+wait+times+send+patients+south+surgery+Video/9702357/story.html

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Effort+halt+land+sale+limbo+Citizen+fights+deal+city+property/6326343/story.html



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Just to clarify, she was in contact with me in regard T. Arnold.  I was asking questions. She abruptly quit talking and her colleagues claimed she had taken a sudden leave of absence. "I" never heard from her again. I had others tell me that they had tried to contact her afterwards too without sucess. But... good to see she has returned so anyone wishing to chase down more on Arnold's address and whereabouts in and around Calgary before Kelly's murder may still be able to get that information from her. She had names and contact information for Arnold's ex's etc who could divulge the same. .. I encourage those with an interest to keep attempting to find that sort of information while it may yet be available.  You may just unearth the linch pin in Kelly's murder.. good luck



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Well the reporter does mention coming face to face with a serial killer as presumably one of the highlights of her career on linked in.

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Just to clarify, she was in contact with me in regard T. Arnold.  I was asking questions. She abruptly quit talking and her colleagues claimed she had taken a sudden leave of absence. "I" never heard from her again. I had others tell me that they had tried to contact her afterwards too without sucess. But... good to see she has returned so anyone wishing to chase down more on Arnold's address and whereabouts in and around Calgary before Kelly's murder may still be able to get that information from her. She had names and contact information for Arnold's ex's etc who could divulge the same. .. I encourage those with an interest to keep attempting to find that sort of information while it may yet be available.  You may just unearth the linch pin in Kelly's murder.. good luck

D1; I clicked on that "linkedin" and read this reporter's description of herself.... It gave me the opinion she is a real "go-getter"... and not reluctant to brag about herself.  People like that are all about "what they are doing, what they want to know, what they will do with it, etc.  ... imo, she doesn't seem to be the type to sit down one-on-one and answer a person's question/s; that would not be to her advantage.  I expect that is why she gave you the brush off.  I expect she does have notes and info. that would really fill in some blanks on Arnold,  but I also expect she would never just come forward or give up such facts for the asking ... it would be in doing an expose work or "showing her stuff" I think it would take for this ambitious reporter to reveal what she thinks or knows.

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Ok, message received. I can be contacted by PM on here if or when required. A copy is then sent to my email address to alert me.
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quote Lost:
D1; I clicked on that "linkedin" and read this reporter's description of herself.... It gave me the opinion she is a real "go-getter"... and not reluctant to brag about herself.  People like that are all about "what they are doing, what they want to know, what they will do with it, etc.  ... imo, she doesn't seem to be the type to sit down one-on-one and answer a person's question/s; that would not be to her advantage.  I expect that is why she gave you the brush off.  I expect she does have notes and info. that would really fill in some blanks on Arnold,  but I also expect she would never just come forward or give up such facts for the asking ... it would be in doing an expose work or "showing her stuff" I think it would take for this ambitious reporter to reveal what she thinks or knows. unquote
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I too have read her blog etc, etc, and OH MY!  there are so many etc.'s, I have lost count!!
She may have at one time contributed to the crime scene in various areas, but she was a reporter with established newspapers at the time. Which, I gather, was some time ago.

While I do not begrudge her career of which she has carved out for herself, I don't think that crime is her present passion, nor pursuit. To my mind, this lady has moved on to other things.

Very wise words Lost - and I so agree with you!!

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Was talking to a co-worker about Kelly Cook last week and she said her brother had been one of the boys that had found her. She informed me that where they were the water was not high so the person that killed her did not need a boat. The levels of chin go up and down, especially during irrigation.
I remember a few years back, about 2000? (not sure of exact year) that Chin was completely empty, in fact people, including us were quading directly under the bridge! About that time I remember hearing reports of police searching for a gun and other possible evidence in the murder.
Sorry, as a local I've always found this case interesting!

Also as I stated in a previous post, Christensen is a popular name around this area, Taber, Milk River, Raymond, Stirling, etc. And there was a family of Christensen's that owned land in Milk River and lived in Standard from what I found on the internet

Mom73 - Thank you so much for your invaluable input.

I have a question for you.  If someone went into Standard at that time, and gave the name Bill Christensen - would the town folk know that he was lying?

Looking forward to your valuable response.
Many thanks again.

Jellybean.