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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
I will add that I find it very interesting that:

Jan 9, 1968- Jacqueline Dunleavy is murdered and left at Oxford and Sanitorium Rd. area
Feb 9, 1968- Frankie Jensen is abducted from Hyde Park Rd, about one mile away from where Jacqueline was found, and found in Thorndale (April 12)
March 21, 1968; Scott Leishman is abducted from Thorndale, about one mile away from where Frankie was found.


Certainly food for thought.
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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 10:00:59 AM »
Thanks for the finding these articles rkay.

We know that the Porn Man drove a white station wagon, and was suspected of picking up hitchhikers. Two of his suspected victims..Jackie English and Priscilla Merle were found in bodies of water.

I'm not sure if there were any station wagons in the 1960's that could be described as a medium size, compact car, by a witness.

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »
Remember with vehicle descriptions that sometimes they are wayyyyy off... Gold Camaro VS gold Nissan 240sx... (Bernardo/Holmoka) very different cars

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2011, 01:23:58 PM »
Thanks for posting the articles, rkay.  It's a shame there isn't more, isn't it?

So, it seems that Scott regularly hitchhiked from his farm, to town (Thorndale), and back.  What could have happened in that short distance?  Did he know the person(s) who picked him up?

It would be great if someone who knew Scott would post on here.  If we knew more about him and what was going on in his life at the time, we might be better able to understand whether he was attacked by a stranger or whether someone was angry with him and beat him up.  Could he have been accidentally killed and then the perpetrator(s) panicked and dumped his body?

There was no evidence of sexual assault, but then his body was found much later in water so any evidence could have been destroyed, so I don't think we can definitively dismiss that possibility just yet.

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2011, 03:44:09 PM »
These 3 crimes (reply#15)..are so close in dates and I would like to see the Map of these areas where these kids were abducted/found...I agree, these crimes must be by the same perp.     It's almost like once a month, for 3 months, someone was on the prowl.

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2012, 08:11:02 PM »
Thank you to Countrygirl (posted on Frankie Jensen's thread) for posting this site on the Thorndale Face book page.

We welcome all Thorndale residents (past and current) and hope that you can help in providing any information about Scott and his unsolved murder.  For example, we don`t even know where Scott lived, and where he was taken from in Thorndale.

If you read the Project Angel thread, you will realize that Scott`s murder was at the same time that London and surrounding areas were devastated by two serial killers in the late 1960`s and early 1970`s. There are a dozen unsolved murders of young boys and teenage girls in this time period.

Please feel free to post any info.  We would also appreciate knowing something personal about Scott.  We don`t want to ever forget him.

Thanks Countrygirl,

HF

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2012, 05:57:12 PM »
Thank you HF.  I hope that I can encourage some others to post what they know - no matter how trivial it seems to them.  I will keep asking those that I know.

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2012, 02:31:59 PM »
To all Thorndale locals:  Can you please help?

In an effort to locate the exact spot where little Frankie Jensen's body was found, we are trying to locate Frank O'Shaughnessy's property from 1968.  It was Conc. 2, lot 19, and was situated between Nissouri Rd. and Valley View Rd.  Frankie's body was found in the Thames River at the rear of this property.

In 1971 the property was listed as Larry and Loise F. Russell, and it appears to have been owned by the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded.

In 1968 The O'Shaughnessy neighbours were Marta Zecchini (lot 19) and the Estate of Lorna. C. Harris (lot 18).

If anyone could point out this property on Google maps, or provide a current address, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Have Faith


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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 02:23:28 PM »
Please take a moment to sign our petition to the OPP. It's a plea to add all unsolved murder cases in the OPP jurisdiction to their website. Thank you and please share with your friends.

http://www.change.org/petitions/opp-the-opp-website-needs-to-include-all-unsolved-opp-murder-cases#

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2012, 05:04:52 AM »
Morning Faith.  Here are the responses I've gotten so far (in regards to your post #23).  I think it's conflicting though at least in  my memory as the campground is on the river which is on the east side of the road yet another person says west side?
   
Karen Cadick Hunter    22 September 23:55
I remember this Like it was yesterday. And the camp grounds sounds right .
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Jessie St.Amand   22 September 09:38
I was going to say that but was not sure
   
Denise Fewer   22 September 08:03
The existing "River View Campground" on Valleyview was owned by the London and District Association for the Mentally Retarded when we purchased it in 1994. Not sure if thats of any help.
   
Linda O'Neil   21 September 23:03
Hi Lot 19 would be north on Nissouri Rd. from the Thorndale Rd. It would be on the west side. about 2/3 of the way to the oliver side rd.
   
Jessie St.Amand   21 September 21:24
I went on and read it yes very interessting
   
Pam Balfour   21 September 21:14
I am interested in tv shows about unsolved crimes so one night I did some searching on the internet and came across this website. I was able to answer some of the location questions and mentioned that I would post about this website on this Thorndale group. Nothing happened and today I got an email asking if I could post this question to see if anyone has any more info. It's an interesting website! There were 3 cases back then that are eerily similar, Where one body was found, another went missing close by. Scott seems to be the last victim.

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2012, 09:36:32 AM »
Hi countrygirl,

Thank you so much for posting my question on the Thorndale facebook page.  Please thank the good people who responded.

Rkay and I had looked this up in the old city land registry maps, and determined that this property was just south of the River View Campgrounds (actually the south end of the same property) on the west side of the river.  Actually rkay did the computing, as my eyes glazed over in confusion.  The lot lines in Thorndale were complicated and did not follow a straight up and down, north/south line, but slanted to the east.

Based on the Thorndale responses, it appears that we agree on the location.

Thank you,

Have faith


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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2012, 06:55:04 PM »
One of the reasons that I joined this website was that there were a number of unsolved cases in the London area from back in the late 60's and early 70's.  It just didn't seem right that these should remain unsolved.  While a couple of cases had grabbed the attention of a number of people, I was concerned that a few others hadn't attracted much attention.  Scott's was one of those.

If anyone knows exactly where Scott was last seen, and exactly under what circumstances, please share what you know.  After all of these years, surely more people are willing to step forward with information. 

On this website, you can post anonomously.  Please, please, please share what you know, no matter how trivial. If you feel uncomfortable posting information in public, please send a personal message to any of the folks that you feel comfortable with on the London threads.  People like rkay, Have Faith, Foghorn, chickapey and many others are truly caring and respectful individuals who will keep your information private to the degree that you request.  I also promise that I will not share any information with any others unless explicitly requested.  These cases deserve to be solved!  Other family members of murdered young people are also most interested in any connections between cases.

I sincerely hope that Scott's family are supportive of solving this crime.  If this is opening old wounds, to the point where you are not willing to accept it, please let us (me) know and I will step back from this case.  I have two sons, and I cannot imagine what it would be like not to have seen them grow up to adulthood.  Scott did not deserve this.  :'(

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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM »
There has been a prolonged drought on Scott's site.
The deaths of young people from in and around London in the late 60's and early 70's occurred along two distinct lines. There is the "north-east" line or "north branch of the Thames River" line that stretches from Jacqueline Dunleavy's house to the dumpsite of Soraya O'Connell just south of Stratford. It includes Jacqueline Dunleavy, Frankie Jensen, Bruce Staypleton, Soraya O'Connell, Suzanne Miller and possibly Donna Awcock. The "south-east line" or "Highway #3" line starts at the old London Normal School where Jacqueline English's pencils and perfume were recovered and ends at the dumpsite of Lynda White near St. Williams. It includes Jacqueline English, Georgia Jackson and Lynda White. Grab an old map sometime and mark them out.
  The only crime that goes north to south between the two lines is Scott Leishman running from Thorndale to the Big Otter Creek and Port Burwell.
  When I was in about grade five we learned about the "Scientific Method" which was to make a hypothesis and try to back it up with facts to either prove or disprove the hypothesis. At any rate my hypothesis is that the deaths of four of these individuals are linked together by a common killer. There is a loop or circle that joins the murders of Jacqueline Dunleavy, Frankie Jensen, Scott Leishman and Jacqueline English. It starts at the Stanley Variety store with Jacqueline Dunleavy. Her body was found just 2.8 kilometers from Frankie Jensen's house. Frankie was recovered from the Thames River just 3.8 kilometers from Scott Leishman's home. I believe that Scott Leishman was dumped into the Big Otter Creek at the town of Richmond and that his body found it's way downstream to the Port Burwell harbour. Jacqueline English's killer took the time and risk to return to Richmond to spread out some of her clothes in a ditch. He then left Jacqueline's pencils and perfume just 200 feet from one of her last residences and just 2.1 kilometers from the Stanley variety. Fairly tight circle. That is just the geography of these cases but there are obviously all kinds of other similarities that have been documented on these threads. No other approach in the past half-century has proven successful so I am not afraid of failure. Any evidence or information gathered about any one of these four cases will be applied to them all. I am hoping to put some extra effort into the case of Scott Leishman because it is a key link in potentially solving the death's of three others and perhaps more.
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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2014, 12:48:27 PM »
Based on the timing of things, it must have been suggestive to the police investigators at the time, that Frankie's killer may have been spending time in Thorndale (for whatever sick purposes) in and around the bridges and river.  Since Frankie was not found in the river until April 19th, Thorndale folks would not necessarily be "on the lookout" for a suspicious car or stranger parked alongside the road and/or near the bridges.  So, when Scott was "accepting a ride" he and the other Thorndale young people would be somewhat unaware that their community was "involved" in the London abductions.  They may have seen it as  London problem, not involving neighbouring communities.

I wonder, to what extent, Thorndale residents were asked about suspicious vehicles they might have encountered in/around the bridges during the interval from Feb 9th (when Frankie was likely killed), until March 21st when Scott went missing.  Also, whether any vehicles that might have been noted up to that point, were no longer noticed after Scott went missing. 

Additionally, if you go back and look at the various LFP articles that are posted (early on) under the threads of the victims during the late sixties, you will see that the police - and as reported in the news - were already quite focused on the geographical connections.  If a serial killer was following the news (which is likely) could this have led him to make an effort to discontinue certain tactics for others?  This could create a "two distinct lines" scenario.  Perhaps this was also part of the subterfuge explaining why certain articles from certain victims were found "here and there" in the highway 3 area.  Since they were not hidden, and would be found...why was this done?  (and when was this done?)
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Re: Scott Leishman - Thorndale, ON - Murdered - 1968
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2014, 03:35:36 PM »
Yes, the "Thorndale Connection" is proving to be quite interesting. It certainly seems that the residents of Thorndale were not exactly excited about having the disappearance of Scott Leishman become part of a larger problem that began in London in 1968 or perhaps earlier in 1966 in Aylmer. This is totally understandable given that Thorndale is a quiet, tight-knit community. This was not exactly the type of publicity that the town would have been looking for. Regardless, four of these murders [Frankie, Suzanne, Soraya and Scott himself], have some possible connection to the town.