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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2013, 02:15:25 PM »
Emma's mother has given all the details on her site.

Emma was barefoot in cold weather and what boggles my mind was that 45 minutes before she was never seen again, RCMP officers had been talking to her. It is not realistic, even if the person declares they are fine, to let someone just go like this without thinking of at least frostbite this time of year. Had they not even tried to take her to an ER ward?

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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2013, 02:23:29 PM »

What really bothers me about this, is that the police were called by a regular citizen who saw Emma on the street and after interacting with her for a few minutes, realized she needed help. Surely if he could see that....couldn't the police tell?

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He initially spotted Emma by herself on Douglas Street in the historic downtown of the B.C. capital, where Emma had moved just a year before. Recognizing the young woman from a brief meeting a few weeks earlier, he went to say hello.

Unlike the bubbly, talkative person he had previously spoken to, Emma was motionless. She seemed lost, distracted — timid at times, Quay recalled. She was barefoot, carrying her shoes in her hands.

The two slowly made their way to the front of the Empress Hotel. Quay felt he was being too persistent by constantly offering help, so he eventually left and called 911 from a restaurant phone. He quickly doubled back and watched Emma from a distance until police arrived.

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2013, 02:34:08 PM »
Yes Debbiec. That is so bothersome. I imagine the friend is still feeling very badly that he didn't get her to help himself. I know I could not live with myself if I left someone without trying at least to persuade them to come to an ER ward. Even on foot, one can hail a taxi or call an ambulance and stay with the person. I am not ragging on the friend b/c he did think that police would help.

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2013, 04:49:04 PM »
Police and ER hands are tied, they cannot commit her, she would have to agree, and then commit herself if she was not a threat to anyone, then they could do nothing but make suggestions to her. I think the police tried very hard, they spent 45 mins speaking to her, that is a very long time.

Even if they did get her to the ER, she could refuse assistance and walk out.

And if she was already in a paranoid state she would not get help but hide, stay out of public view, remember people suffering from depressive episodes still have their intelligence and when they get frightened or feel cornered can seem very crafty, and use the right wording to convince they are really ok, the survivor instinct in all of us can be very powerful when we feel out of our realm, sometimes it kicks in and we do or say things we did not know we were capable of.


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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2013, 08:45:09 PM »
I hope Emma realized she was attracting attention (after speaking to Police and a friend) and went into hiding intentionally.    With confidentiality laws, would a hospital be obliged to say she is a patient?  She is an adult so perhaps they would not have to disclose.

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2013, 11:51:16 AM »
Police and ER hands are tied, they cannot commit her, she would have to agree, and then commit herself if she was not a threat to anyone, then they could do nothing but make suggestions to her. I think the police tried very hard, they spent 45 mins speaking to her, that is a very long time.

Even if they did get her to the ER, she could refuse assistance and walk out.

And if she was already in a paranoid state she would not get help but hide, stay out of public view, remember people suffering from depressive episodes still have their intelligence and when they get frightened or feel cornered can seem very crafty, and use the right wording to convince they are really ok, the survivor instinct in all of us can be very powerful when we feel out of our realm, sometimes it kicks in and we do or say things we did not know we were capable of.



That is so true Logical. However first responders are always told they cannot persuade or force the person into care but they should stay with the person or near for when the person no longer is able to respond for self. This is for responders to a cardiac arrest, or choking, etc. I do wonder why it shoudn't be covered for people who are having a psychotic break as well. 

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2013, 11:54:47 AM »
I hope Emma realized she was attracting attention (after speaking to Police and a friend) and went into hiding intentionally.    With confidentiality laws, would a hospital be obliged to say she is a patient?  She is an adult so perhaps they would not have to disclose.

From what I have seen, when a patient asked for confidentiality it was maintained by the hospital. In one case it even went as far as "changing" the patients last name in a highly controversial case.

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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2014, 03:28:15 PM »
This is from the Fifth Estate. Here are the experts opinions on the disappearance of Emma. There are five experts. One is the detective from To Catch a Killer. Click on appropriate videos./jb

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/blog/a-lot-of-pain (videos are provided)/

In March 2014 Emma Fillipoff’s mother, Shelley, approached the fifth estate to tell her daughter’s story and help find her.

 As part of our process to help the Fillipoff family get some answers, we enlisted the help of five experts --- a criminologist, a homicide investigator, a language expert, a search and rescue expert and a forensic psychologist. We provided each with a background file on the case and asked them to weigh in with their opinions on what may have happened to Emma.

 Dr. Jeff Hancock is a Professor at Cornell University. He is co-Chair of the Information Science department. His expertise is in deception and its detection. Emma wrote detailed journals which Hancock reviewed for our program.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/blog/help-find-emma
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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2014, 09:48:07 AM »
It will be two years in November since Emma vanished without a trace.

This article is from May, 2014. I wonder if they ever figured out who the man who took down Emma's poster is.  After having read this article I had to wonder if he really knew Emma. 


Possible break in Emma Fillipoff missing woman case

Sian Thomson / Campbell River Courier Islander
May 28, 2014 01:33 PM

There has been a lead in the Nov. 28, 2012 missing persons case of Emma Fillipoff.

Fillipoff, 27 when she went missing without at trace, was last seen in Victoria near the Empress Hotel around 7 p.m. that night, just hours after she had called her mother Shelly in Ottawa and asked her to fly out and bring her home. Her mother did just that and missed Emma by three hours.

 “By all accounts from the people who knew her, it sounds like she had a psychotic break or schizophrenia,” said her mother from Ottawa, where she recently returned after coming out to the west coast to do another search.

Emma used to work at the Royal Coachman in Campbell River. At one time it was thought she may be heading this way.

Investigators have explored more than 200 leads, turning up minimal information. Most evidence indicates Fillipoff was planning to return home to Ottawa, but there’s no proof she ever left the Island.

Until now.

Emma’s mother Shelly Fillipoff told the Campbell River Courier-Islander newspaper that Gastown, Vanvouver store owners Joel and Lori Sellen witnessed a man in their store throwing out a “missing” poster.

“Upon closer inspection, the poster was of (missing Emma Fillipoff) and the reward of $25,000 posted for her safe recovery,” said Shelly. “The man said ‘It’s one of those missing persons posters, except she’s not missing, she’s my girlfriend and she ran away ‘cause she hates her parents’.”

The store owners said they got a ‘very creepy vibe’ from the man and called the police right away to report the incident. Security cameras were able to pick up his image.

Vancouver police are investigating and posters have gone out over soical media asking the public to be on the lookout for Fillipoff or the male around the downtown eastside.

Only about five missing-persons cases in as many decades have gone unsolved in the capital region, according to Det. Const. Paul Spencelayh of the Victoria Police Department. Considering that most investigations end within hours, Fillipoff’s case becomes more troubling with every passing day.

Fillipoff was a trained chef, held several jobs, was not into drugs or alcohol, and is described as a loving, emotionally sensitive woman who was planning to return home to her family.

The abnormality of the file is magnified considering the 45 per cent drop in missing person cases in the past five years. Victoria police reported 376 missing persons across the capital region in 2012, significantly fewer than the 692 it handled in 2008.

 “It’s rare where a person disappears off the planet and is never seen again,” Spencelayh said.

A disappearance usually boils down to one of four theories: The person ran away, had an accident, committed suicide or was killed, police say.

Most missing person files last hours, maybe days. Rarely does a case last months without any substantial progress. That’s what makes Fillipoff’s case so troubling. None of the evidence has led investigators toward any of their traditional theories.

 “It causes a lot of frustration in that there’s a lot of starting points … but each time we do a follow up, we’re no further ahead,” Spencelayh said. “It’s rare that we get cases like that.”

She bought a prepaid cell phone, but never activated it. Even though she had money in her bank account, she was staying — like she did several times in the past year — at a women’s shelter.

Those who knew Fillipoff said she occasionally seemed confused in those final days, according to her mom Shelley Fillipoff, who spent two months searching Vancouver Island for her daughter before returning home Feb. 5.

There are indications Fillipoff was suffering from a mental breakdown, and no one has ruled out suicide, but that usually leaves behind plenty of evidence. There is also the possibility that someone else took her, but until now, there was no evidence that she was with someone else.

There is a $25,000 reward for information leading to her whereabouts.

Emma is described as looking younger than her age, 5’5”, 90 to 100 pounds, with blonde hair possibly waist long. She often wears knitted hats. She has no prior drug use, no prior history of vanishing, no criminal record and not living on the street at the time of her disappearance. She loves the outdoors, wears dresses and has been seen wearing camouflage pants and carrying an orange purse. She is very drawn to public libraries, and oves children and animals. She has a shy temperament and is a vegan.

If you have any information on her whereabouts, please call 911 or Victoria police non-emergency 1-250-995-7654.

sthomson@courierislander.com


http://www.courierislander.com/news/local/possible-break-in-emma-fillipoff-missing-woman-case-1.1078868

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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2014, 04:32:42 PM »
Fifth Estate probes missing Emma case

"I am hopeful but not optimistic about the outcome regarding the outcome of this case" - Emma's mom

SIAN THOMSON COURIER-ISLAND
OCTOBER 29, 2014 12:00 AM
 

Emma Fillipoff's mother Shelley, approached The Fifth Estate to tell her daughter's story and to help find her. After setting up a page on their website providing clues and information about the case, the program will now air a documentary discussing the results of their campaign.

The show will air on Nov. 7 at 9 p.m. pacific standard time on CBC.

Emma Fillipoff has been missing for almost two years after vanishing without a trace on Nov. 28, 2012 from the streets of Victoria.

On that day, Victoria police spoke to Emma after a passerby alerted them that she was without shoes in just above zero weather and seemed disoriented.

Police talked to her for about 30 minutes and decided she was fine, leaving her on the side of the road.

That is the last confirmed sighting of the then 26-year-old woman.

Emma worked as a chef at the Royal Coachman in Campbell River, and then relocated to Victoria to do the same work.

Her mother Shelley fears that Emma had a mental breakdown and may have headed to a place she found familiar and where she had friends. But unconfirmed reports have also put her in the downtown eastside of Vancouver. There have also been unconfirmed reports of sightings in Vancouver, Tofino, Powell River, Oregon and Winnipeg. Her mother has offered a $25,000 reward to help find her daughter.

Dr. Mike Arntfield was interviewed by The Fifth Estate and said he cannot think of a case in recent history that has so many potential outcomes and explanations and each one needs to be explored. The criminology professor and former police officer said that it is unsettling as there are so many unknown variables. Fillipoff could have taken her own life, met with foul play, relocated on her own free will, or she is in a mental health crisis and does not know who she is. There was one lead when an unknown man wearing a ball cap and green shirt was seen taking a missing poster down from a store in Vancouver and said Emma was his girlfriend and did not want to be found, but to date that man has not been identified.

Emma's mother Shelley said there was a robbery in North Vancouver recently and one of the suspects resembles the man who has become known as the 'green shirt guy'. "The police say the case is active but really they just wait for tips to come in and if they think they are credible they will look at those," said Shelley, who believes there is a difference between a case being 'active' and police being 'proactive' on a case.

"They don't follow up on half the leads," she said. "If a tip comes in they will go over to where it originated and look into it but they tell me they do not have the manpower to follow up all leads and tips. When I was in Victoria the day she disappeared (Emma's mother flew out to bring Emma home the day she vanished) I did more work than the police did. It's going on two years and they have done nothing. They let her go in the first place when they could have admitted her into a facility for observation."

When asked what she thinks happened to Emma, Shelley said "your guess is as good as mine," but her behaviour in the weeks leading up to the disappearance suggested she was suffering from a mental breakdown.

"I have a terrible fear she has had a breakdown and doesn't even know she is missing and may not even know who she is," said Fillipoff.

"The Fifth Estate has never committed a full hour to any story, and they are doing so for Emma," said her mother.

"I am hopeful but not optimistic regarding the outcome of this case," said Shelley. "I am realistic but we have to keep it out there, people need to keep their eyes wide open."

- See more at: http://www.courierislander.com/news/local/fifth-estate-probes-missing-emma-case-1.1480069#sthash.9O2vwLky.dpuf

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2014, 01:48:35 PM »
Does it not strike anyone else as odd Emma and her mother didn't speak for a year? I can't fathom that length of time going by without speaking when there was no apparent riff...

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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2014, 03:22:46 PM »
Good grief, is it true - that she has not accessed her bank account since disappearing?  Everyone needs money to exist.  If she had money in the bank, she would access some of it at some point.
To quote her Mother;
"I have a terrible fear she has had a breakdown and doesn't even know she is missing and may not even know who she is," said Fillipoff.  unquote.

If she did not know who she was, someone out there hopefully will link her to the missing Emily (hopefully).
I can't see her having a complete breakdown without ending up in hospital.

How did she receive her money?  I know that she worked at some point - but how long ago was it?


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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2015, 01:53:43 PM »
Fyi, there are more photos of Emma on the fifth estate page about the case:
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/findingemma

And for American users in this group geoblocked from the fifth estate page, you can view the documentary on youtube at this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FPSmlCmJk

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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2016, 10:48:44 PM »
From May 29, 2014

New clue has emerged, however.......sounds kinda fishy/BS...

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/new-clue-emerges-in-disappearance-of-emma-fillipoff-1.1080343

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Re: Emma Fillipoff, 26, missing on Vancouver Island since Nov. 28, 2012
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2016, 04:13:55 PM »
From May 29, 2014

New clue has emerged, however.......sounds kinda fishy/BS...

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/new-clue-emerges-in-disappearance-of-emma-fillipoff-1.1080343

The article above is from almost two years ago - May, 2014. It doesn't look like anything ever came of the clue.