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« on: December 03, 2011, 04:12:57 PM »
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Could+psychopaths+suffer+from+abnormal+biology/5806940/story.html

Could psychopaths suffer from abnormal biology?
Science challenges views about nature of evil

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 02:34:51 AM »
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"What the science suggests is this is a brain-based disorder and that the neural dysfunction may undermine the ability of these individuals to control their social behaviour and regulate their emotions," said Mike Koenigs, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the school.

While scientists can't say with certainty that these brain abnormalities are the cause of the disorder, they now at least know what area of the brain may be associated with it, he said.

Instead of simply treating psychopaths like they're all axe-wielding madmen, such as the Jack Nicholson character in the psychological horror flick The Shining, they should be viewed as patients with neuro-cognitive disorders who may benefit from treatment, Koenigs said.

So they feel these people can benefit from medication and treatment and be out in the general public? Haven't we seen enough schizophrenic people who after some time feel they don't need their medications anymore? (The bus ride of horror to Winnipeg.) There were other disasters that haven't hit the news and have been covered up just b/c where the incident took place. One was a stabbing/murder by a man on medications who was supposed to be able to join the general public the next day ... unfortunately he got into some bad illegal drug and went berzerk. Not to mention the stuff that happens in jails that we don't hear about in the news.



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"We're not talking about turning them into Mother Teresa," Koenigs said. But with cognitive behavioural therapy and drug therapy, it is possible they could become "a little more responsible."

Possibly, however let them stay in a secure environment and do some work for the government ... like making license plates, etc.

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While the science is far from conclusive, that hasn't stopped some defence lawyers from using data from brain scans to try to persuade judges or juries that their clients are incapable of making the right decisions.

How many lawyers were successful in getting their clients off like this? It would be interesting to know. (Plaster their phone numbers, and addresses at every joint where drugs and other illegal activity takes place.)


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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 09:11:32 AM »
Criminal Psychopaths should never be allowed back out on the streets, in my opinion, until science has advanced far enough that taking medications would not be needed to alter their brain chemistry or neuron connections permanently.

However, medications could make them more manageable in prisons, or in facilities specifically for the criminally insane.
 
Perhaps this science may be able to screen children and begin treatment early.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 12:08:02 PM »
Sorry about the apparent  link to a virus. I have temporarily copied the article in my original post above to give you a chance to read it without catching a virus! My computer doesn't seem to have picked up a virus from this link -- as far as I know anyway!

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 12:54:36 PM »
That should be fine, I very seldom get any virus warnings from clicking on any links on this board so I do take heed when the alerts happen. A computer virus is quite similar to a psychopath, it can wrap itself in any cloak it's designer wishes and mask its true objective until the designated time. Have to be on guard for them.. good article btw

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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 01:22:39 PM »
Here is another article

THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html)

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society.
Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors.

 Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.


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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 01:31:21 PM »
I often wondered what the difference was between a psychopath and a sociopath.
Here is an article that gives some differences between the two.
At the end it states that these conditions can be treated with medications and psychotherapy.
Doesn't say how successful, and it seems to go against other professionals opinions that for the most part they are untreatable.

http://www.onlineschools.org/what-is/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath/

What is the Difference Between a Psychopath and a Sociopath?
 

Both psychopaths and sociopaths suffer from a medical condition that makes it difficult to show empathy toward others. While there are clear differences between the two disorders, psychiatrists have labeled both disorders as Antisocial Behavior Personality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition (DSM-IV). Sociopaths suffer from a personality disorder that has anti-social traits. Psychopaths, on the other hand, have an anti-social personality disorder with marked aggressiveness.


Similarities
 
Sociopaths and psychopaths share a few common traits. Both disorders are often characterized by a lack of conscience, an inability to feel empathy toward others and little respect for the law. Both disorders tend to develop by age 15 and may begin with cruelty toward animals. People who suffer from anti-social disorders are usually impulsive, show little regard to their own safety or the safety of others, lies often, typically has had several run-ins with the law and becomes aggressive on impulse. This can lead to physical assault without regret. Often, the person has difficulty fulfilling financial obligations and does not plan for the future. However, both disorders are controllable with therapy and the right medication.
 

Education and Career
Due to their extreme attention to detail, psychopaths are often well educated and successful. Although they may be fiscally irresponsible, they are able to hold down jobs and maintain a stable living situation, whereas sociopaths generally are not. Psychopaths are usually organized to a point of obsession, making them appear very neat and in control at work or in school. While sociopaths have more of a tendency to be homeless and out of work or unable to maintain a job, psychopaths often establish themselves in regular neighborhoods or apartments and can be very successful in climbing the career ladder.
 

Relationships

 
Sociopaths find it incredibly difficult to maintain relationships due to their inability to comprehend empathy. They typically do not have a relationship with family, have very few friends and don't get along well with co-workers. Sociopaths often use others for their own personal gain and think nothing of humiliating a victim or a supposed friend. A constant habit of lying for their own personal gain also makes it very difficult to form lasting friendships.

A psychopath, on the other hand, may be able to have normal relationships, even getting married and caring for children. Although they do not feel remorse for acts of violence and cruelty they may comment, they are able to understand human emotion and empathy so that they can manipulate it. Their incredible understanding of human feelings makes it easy for them to impress and persuade others.
 

Violence

 
Both psychopaths and sociopaths are prone to violence and acts of deceit, however they may behave differently. Sociopaths often explode into violence at a very slight provocation, while psychopaths are very calculating and may take years to plan a crime. Because of this, sociopaths are more often caught than psychopaths. Psychopaths may also plan nonviolent amoral acts for years such as acts of fraud. When confronted with their crime, psychopaths often blame their victim, genetics or upbringing while sociopaths tend to lie about their crimes.
 
While the two disorders may seem incredibly similar, there are actually important distinctions between them. Criminologists can tell the difference by the crime committed and often by a case history.
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 11:15:34 AM »
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/july-2012/the-language-of-psychopaths

THE  LANGUAGE OF PSYCHOPATHS.
For psychopaths, not only a lack of affect but also inappropriate emotion may reveal the extent of their callousness. Recent research suggested that much can be learned about these individuals by close examination of their language. Their highly persuasive nonverbal behavior often distracts the listener from identifying their psychopathic nature.1 For example, on a publically available police interview with murderer and rapist Paul BernardoRobert Pickton
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 12:06:58 PM »
Thanks JB, a great read and will be useful on this site for reference.

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 12:47:02 AM »
If there are any psychopaths on this forum, kindly self-identify.

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2013, 11:22:32 AM »
Leo- my father is likely one, does that count?

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 10:57:36 PM »
I was kidding but I'm sorry to hear that about your father.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 04:07:37 PM »
lol it's ok.

Really though that is the problem- in their minds, they actually think they are NOT psychopaths.  It's like that old saying out there- genuinely crazy people are the ones who don't think they are at all crazy.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 04:26:20 PM »
There is another old saying, which my Dad would use  "if  you truly believe that everyone is crazy but yourself,  then you are the problem" lol
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I truly worked for a sociopath, with psychopathic tendencies - I left there before I went completely crazy. ???
You never knew if you were coming or going with him.
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