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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2011, 11:45:58 PM »
Interesting article!, ctvbc.ca

Date: Thursday Nov. 24, 2011 6:08 PM PT

Even though police have the DNA of the man they believe murdered Taylor Van Diest, they can't trace him because he doesn't show up in any genetic database. But what if his father or brother did?

Samples found at the scene of the 18-year-old's murder on Halloween match just one other RCMP file -- an unsolved sex assault at a Kelowna escort service in 2005. Because the man was never caught, police haven't been able to match a name to the DNA.

That leaves investigators with just a six-year-old description of a man with bushy sideburns to guide their quest to find the man responsible for the random killing that has put a small B.C. town on edge for the last month. Mounties are now circulating a composite drawing based on that description in the hope that someone, somewhere, will recognize their suspect.

But if this were California or the U.K., police would have one more tool that could help them track down the killer, by checking to see if any of their family members are in the criminal system.

A technique known as familial DNA searching -- not currently permitted in Canada -- allows investigators to search for close, partial matches in genetic data banks. That means that police can identify criminals who might be the unnamed suspect's brother, father or sister.

It might sound far-fetched, but research shows that crime often runs in families. One study conducted in the States showed that 30 per cent of men in the prison system have brothers who are also incarcerated.

And the technique has been used to solve some pretty high-profile, grisly cases. Perhaps most famously, Los Angeles police tracked down their suspect in the famed "Grim Sleeper" murders by identifying his son.

Lonnie Franklin Jr. was arrested last year on suspicion that he killed at least 10 people over 25 years. The DNA samples found at the murder scenes didn't match anything in California's offenders database, but the genetic sequence on the killer's Y sex chromosome was so close to another man's, the offender could only be the father or son of the serial killer.

It turns out that Franklin's son had recently been arrested. Police were able to take a swab from a cup used by the elder Franklin, and his DNA turned out to be a perfect match for the killer.

Familial DNA searching was also used in England to catch a rapist two decades after he raped at least six women and stole their stiletto shoes.

In the U.S., the technique is employed in California, Virginia, Texas and Colorado, and several other states are looking into adopting it. A Democratic congressman from California introduced a bill earlier this month that would allow the FBI to use familial DNA to investigate cold cases.

Canada "consulting" on investigative technique

So, why isn't familial DNA searching allowed in Canada, where it might help police find violent criminals like the man who left Taylor Van Diest for dead by the railroad tracks in Armstrong?

Mounties won't comment on the technique, except to say that it "is not legislatively permitted because of privacy." However, according to a government report, RCMP representatives have lobbied for the right to use familial DNA searches.

Some privacy advocates have argued that the method would turn convicts into "genetic informants" against their own relatives, and that it would unfairly target minorities, who tend to be disproportionately represented in the criminal system.

In a speech last year, Assistant Privacy Commissioner Chantal Bernier said that she won't support introducing the technique and needs to see more evidence that familial DNA searching can actually catch criminals.

"Are we comfortable with the deliberate targeting of presumed innocent people, whose DNA has never been subject to inclusion in the DNA databank -- a process that includes a judicial decision at the end of trial that leads to a conviction?" Bernier said.

But B.C.'s civil liberties watchdog isn't necessarily opposed to the idea. The BC Civil Liberties Association has said that it likely wouldn't protest the use of familial DNA searching as long as it's limited to investigating serious crimes like rape and murder and the information in the genetic database is tightly controlled.

The Canadian Department of Justice has said that it isn't ready to approve the technique, but the government is "actively consulting" with the provinces, police and privacy advocates on the subject.

In June 2010, a senate committee recommended that more research should be done before the technique is approved. That group suggested that justice officials "craft a provision that would balance the need to protect society, the need to protect privacy rights and the need to preserve the presumption of innocence."

But an official told the committee that "kinship analysis, while undoubtedly a hot topic, is unlikely to result in many matches because it can be highly demanding of police resources."

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2011, 11:53:43 PM »

Thanks solvy. Very interesting read.


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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2011, 03:26:27 PM »
http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=50&languageId=1&contentId=21991
This is the RCMP update. I have quoted some new material from it - at least I don't believe we have it on this thread.

We believe the suspect is a resident of the Okanagan Valley. He was a resident of the Okanagan in the spring of 2005 and he was still a resident on Halloween night of this year. It is possible he lived outside of the valley for a period of time from 2005 until 2011.

Although we believe he is a resident of the Okanagan he may have made an unplanned, sudden or unexplained departure from the area shortly after the murder on Halloween night of this year in Armstrong.

This individual may be financially dependent on others or collecting social assistance.
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We once again ask that the general public remain vigilant and continue to take extra personal safety precautions in our communities, particularly in the Central and North Okanagan.

We recommend traveling in a group; or asking parents or friends for a ride. Travel areas of the community that have good visibility. Let family or friends know where you are going and when you expect to arrive. If you have a cell phone carry it. Report any suspicious activity right away.
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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2011, 11:19:14 AM »


RCMP: Tips pouring in in-connection to murder of Taylor Van Diest
VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
James Lewis | Email news tips to james.lewis@corusent.com
11/25/2011


It's another weekend of uncertainty in the town of Armstrong, as investigators desperately try to find the killer of 18-year old Taylor Van Diest.

RCMP Corporal Dan Moskaluk says tips have been pouring in, ever since the release of a composite sketch of the man believed to be the killer.

"From what I have seen coming in and speaking with investigators, we're probably closer to the 200 mark, if not over the 200 mark at this time. So the tips do continue to come in, and again, there's other investigational tasking that the members continue on with their work at-hand."

Although police are now connecting Taylor's death to the 2005 sexual assault of a Kelowna escort, Moskaluk says no other cold cases are being re-visited so far.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1577493

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2011, 10:46:49 AM »

RCMP Still Looking For Big Break
Van Diest tips still coming in
Betty Selin
12/8/2011


RCMP are still looking for their big break in the murder of 18-year-old Taylor Van Diest in Armstrong Halloween night.

Cpl. Dan Moskaluk says the tips are still coming in since they released a composite drawing a couple of weeks ago.
They have received more than 300 tips.

The suspect has been linked to DNA from an unsolved Kelowna sexual assault in 2005, but has still not been identified.

http://www.am1150.ca/News/Local/Vernon/Story.aspx?ID=1583424

DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS MAN? A DEDICATED TIP LINE HAS BEEN SET UP AT 1-888-688-4264.

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »
« Last Edit: December 14, 2011, 02:11:38 PM by D1 »

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2011, 02:17:12 PM »
Wow D1  striking resemblance to the sketch!   Was he out at the time of Taylor's murder?

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2011, 02:33:44 PM »
Hi, still trying o find info. Corrections Canada isn't really forthcoming, Police aren't giving out too much yet but? Timing and similarities ...

No one is saying there is any connection, just questioning it all right now..

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2011, 03:22:03 PM »
A very dangerous guy! However, I don't see the connection to Taylor.
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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2011, 04:35:51 PM »
Question...if he's been in custody would his DNA be on file?  I don't see a resemblance.  The guy in the sketch has a more "square" bone bone structure and a stronger chin and his nose is straight with slighly flared nostils.

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2011, 04:37:09 PM »
sorry to differ but it says theirf a item that could be used as  weapon so in my opinion anything is possible he might have stole a cigarette lighter and had a hockey stick in his hand when the police can have seen that kind of thing happen before , I found the article evasive.  He also isnt very big only 5.4 and 170 I think taylor would have been able to put up a hell of a fight against some one that size JMO

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2011, 07:50:50 PM »
I think this perp mentioned is too old to be the perp in Taylor's murder.   
From reading the article on Darcy Lenko, he is 47 and had been in trouble of theft and weapons for dangerous purposes, in my eyes, this is not related to Taylor's murder.  I was thinking the weapon could even be something like "brass knuckles"; would they fall in that category I wonder,  eyeswideopen?

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2011, 08:19:52 PM »
This guy has changed his looks by now.   Someone that's good on a computer could , ........ see him with a little longer hair and those side stripes gone. He likely has changed his facial hair, it's winter and he might be growing a beard. He's going to do all he can to change his looks.

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Re: Taylor Van Diest - 18 - Murdered - Oct. 31, 2011 - Armstrong, BC
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2011, 08:35:32 PM »
I agree, he has probably/definitely changed the sideburn thingys.  The Police said the Perp probably had scratches on him from the crime...someone must have seen these scratches...they need to come forward and give the Police their suspicions/knowledge.  I think someone out there is trying to avoid the horrible truth, by not turning in someone they love. 
Whoever did this crime needs to be found sooner rather than later.