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Author Topic: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011  (Read 35047 times)

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #480 on: July 31, 2012, 11:19:16 PM »
So like the murderer is concerned about how to save money on bus fare?  On August 23rd, there was only a week left on her bus pass if it was a generic pass. 

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #481 on: August 01, 2012, 12:09:43 PM »
Livelife:  What I meant was,( not that she was murdered for her bus pass), the killer may have taken her bus pass as an afterthought.
And her cell phone was also missing from her bag.
It may have been the killer who took things as an afterthought, or simply the person who found the bag (a little bit of "light fingers" going on)
Disgusting - actually.

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« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 06:22:31 PM by jellybean »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #482 on: August 02, 2012, 08:02:58 AM »
JB...someone who would steal a bus pass and use it after brutally murdering the owner would show a high level of callousness.  If its a student, then I think someone like that might be easier to spot.  This person would be a narcissist for sure.  Unfortunately they could be a self-absorbed charmer or a loner.  Its hard to tell and most people don't know what to look for.  I really think the time has passed to pin point culprits from the school population. I think this guy on the bike was a huge distraction.  Valerie might have had the phone with her but it would be strange for her to pocket her bus pass.  Unless she lost it that morning, it may well be that the perps took it.  Nice work! 

Added August 18th: 

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/08/17/valerie-leblancs-family-continues-fight-for-justice

I could be wrong, but it looks to me that the tree with the number 8 on it is right behind the wooden cross marking the spot where Valerie's body was found.  The 8 which had quickly begun to deteriorate last fall, is not there.  If that's the case then it looks to me as though the 8 was put on the tree last summer and this looks more and more like a staged murder scene.  As I have said before, I think this was a planned attack and not a random act. 
« Last Edit: August 18, 2012, 02:55:31 PM by Livelife29 »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #483 on: August 19, 2012, 12:45:56 AM »
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Added August 18th:  (by Lifelive29)

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/08/17/valerie-leblancs-family-continues-fight-for-justice

I could be wrong, but it looks to me that the tree with the number 8 on it is right behind the wooden cross marking the spot where Valerie's body was found.  The 8 which had quickly begun to deteriorate last fall, is not there.  If that's the case then it looks to me as though the 8 was put on the tree last summer and this looks more and more like a staged murder scene.  As I have said before, I think this was a planned attack and not a random act.

I've always thought the same as well about the number 8 on the tree, plus the ribbons that were described by Josianne in the group that found her.  It was a set-up, in my opinion.

And here is again the interview that was given by Dominic, one of the guys in the group, the day right after she was found.  I have watched that interview a few times since last year and everytime I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see how so nonchalant and aloof he seems to react about the whole thing... Is it only me...?

http://video.thewhig.com/video/featured/latest/1569514787001/gatineau-death-witness-raw-interview/1127329048001

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #484 on: August 19, 2012, 12:02:27 PM »
And here is again the interview that was given by Dominic, one of the guys in the group, the day right after she was found.  I have watched that interview a few times since last year and everytime I get the same feeling of discomfort when I see how so nonchalant and aloof he seems to react about the whole thing... Is it only me...?

http://video.thewhig.com/video/featured/latest/1569514787001/gatineau-death-witness-raw-interview/1127329048001


It is not only you. While it's hard to account for a person's behaviour when a camera is in their face, it is definitely an uncomfortable interview to watch. I don't know if he is merely squinting or smiling, but his reactions don't seem appropriate. He could just be a sketchy kid. I doubt they had gone into the woods to smoke a cigarette - probably getting high, but again, I can't say. Did we ever find out what indignity these kids commited? I really wonder why this boy decided to agree to be interviewed. An odd choice for someone who was charged with a crime in relation to the murdered girl. He had to know how people would be scrutinizing him.

On the subject of fire and bodies being burned, this may be a coincidence, but in 2008, 27 year old Catherine Daviau was attacked in her Montreal apartment. Her body was set on fire, and police suspected she may have been sexually assaulted. I have heard no news of any arrests in her case.

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #485 on: August 23, 2012, 09:38:43 PM »
Regarding Dominic's demeanor...he's obviously struggling a bit with the language and also trying to be a bit discreet.  He says her pants were a little "off" and I think he's trying not to give too much graphic information away.  I still find it interesting that he can tell that she had been dead about 2 hours when they first thought she was a mannequin.  I wonder what indecent act they did to her body as well...and so close to the path and people jogging by. 

Even Valerie's family seem to believe that Valerie was chosen randomly.  I can't understand that. 

Also, the police set up a command post at the Cegep today.  School has not started yet so there has not been much of a response. 

The family put up a memorial near the site where Valerie's body was found.  Also, an article from Le Droit where her father says a year before the murder, Valerie said that she would be beaten and burned in the woods:

A year before his death, Valerie Leblanc told her father that she had the impression that she would die burned.

Sylvain Leblanc made ​​a rare public appearance Thursday at the unveiling of memorials in honor of his daughter, murdered and burned woodland behind the CEGEP de l'Outaouais in the Hull sector a year ago .

"Next year, I will die. I'll be beaten and burned, "the girl reportedly announced to his father.

"She just told me, 'This is ca will happen to me next year,' said Sylvain Leblanc. Like that, 'Drette around here, back in the woods. It has not talked long enough that I have the details of what was ... "

Mr. Leblanc added that the conversation did not go further. It was unclear if a print or real threats she had received.

"Be close to your children, added the father of the victim for other parents. When they tell you something, it does not look serious, take it for cash ... There is nothing better than to listen. "

Mr. Leblanc went on a sober tone. "I have just not taken seriously. We did not speak again. I regret not having taken seriously. Unfortunately, we can not go back in time. "

According to this article, the police had no reaction when her father first told them that she had predicted her death.  There is a video of the memorial as well:

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2012/08/20120823-200943.html?fb_action_ids=4506840193583&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map={%224506840193583%22%3A10151054579424023}&action_type_map={%224506840193583%22%3A%22og.recommends%22}&action_ref_map=[]

I keep adding things as I find them: 

Here is an interview with Claude Poirier where a woman calls in and says that the police sketch does not look like the "witness" the police are looking for.   Some details have not been disclosed that she thinks should be.  Namely, the witness who saw the person reported at the time that he was not wearing a baseball cap and that his complexion was that of a First Nations person.  The police put the sketch out with the cap because they didn't have a reliable description of the guy's hair.  There were also three women, one from Manitoba and two from Maniwaki who's names were also brought up in the interview.  My french is not perfect so I will have to watch again to get all the nuances...I assume that they are also missing.  Valerie has relatives who are First Nations so she is part Native herself.  Interesting.  Why does it take a year for all of this to come out?

http://tvanouvelles.ca/video/en-vedette/les-dernieres-nouvelles/8805187001/portrait-robot-peu-ressemblant-entrevue-avec-la/1802630339001

Ok...watched the video again.  These three women, all First Nations, went missing in the last few years: Maisy Odjick, Shannon Alexander (both from Maniwaki) and Kelly Morrisseau.  Kelly's body was found with stab wounds not far from where Valerie's body was found. 

Also, the guy in the police sketch was not wearing a hat or the same clothes as reported.  This may cause confusion and stop people from coming forward. 
« Last Edit: August 31, 2012, 01:52:57 PM by Livelife29 »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #486 on: August 26, 2012, 10:48:21 PM »
The predictions she made about her own death are so incredible that I am forced to conclude that those were threats she
received before. And my hunch is that they were threats related to a eventual breakup.

May be someone had a good alibi....and accomplice that fateful morning.

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #487 on: August 27, 2012, 06:47:50 AM »
While its possible, I think that if she had been threatened she would have told her grandfather who is a cop about it and made sure that she was never in those woods alone.  Even if we disagree on whether or not this was a threat or a spiritual experience that Valerie had a year in advance of her own death, I think that this information sheds new light on the case and should lead the police to look at Valerie's life and her associations more closely.  What I wonder is this:  if she knew it was dangerous to go into the woods then what drew her there and why?  Did she actually go into the woods alone?  Her uncle said just after the murder that Valerie would never have gone into the woods alone. 

Also, I found an article and translated it with Google:

See the timeline of this case

The relevance of the sketch released by police to find a key witness in the murder of the young Valerie Leblanc is questioned by some other witnesses.

Sketch released by police in Gatineau. (Courtesy SPVG)

The portrait shows that flows the face of a white man with very fine lines, wearing a black cap. Yet some argue that his head was bare and he seemed Amerindian origin, with a complexion olive color.

"The police said they did not have a good description at the top of the face, so that's why they made him a cap," said this morning show The Real one negotiator lady whose son is among the witnesses to the event.

Valerie Leblanc (Courtesy)

This woman is asking people not to rely on the description and sketch provided by the investigators. "If you know something, speak up. It is very important for the whole community "Gatineau, she launched.

It appears that the suspect had stayed in the woods behind the CEGEP de l'Outaouais few weeks before the murder of Valerie Leblanc, according to witnesses.

The young 18 year old woman was found dead behind the school in August 2011. She had been severely beaten and burned.

Witnesses said they saw a man leave on a black bike.

* another witness says that his dog was beaten in April and he came across this same individual but the police didn't look into as they claimed that can't look into everything.

To me, the account of the witness/suspect given in the article above indicates to me that he is not hte killer because of the famous school bag.  It was found along the path behind the school and Valerie's cell phone and bus pass were missing.  Let's say she left it there and someone stole the cell phone and bus pass out of it and it was later found by a caretaker who called Valerie's grandmother to pick it up.  In that case, the mysterious witness on the bike is probably not her killer.  He has been living in the woods behind the CEGEP for a number of weeks and he has a bike.  What does he need a bus pass for?  Or a cell phone?  Also, why did she leave her bag along the path?  I think she was forced into the woods by someone or lured.  The guy on the bike would have been a stranger to her.  He would not have taken the risk to go out into the open and cause her to leave or forget her bag.  He would have been waiting in the woods for someone to come along.  To me, this points to someone who knew Valerie, forcing or luring her into the woods. 
« Last Edit: August 31, 2012, 01:53:59 PM by Livelife29 »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #488 on: September 06, 2012, 07:54:48 PM »
Signatures.  it is all about signatures of the killer.  I now believe that the signatures (religious and those symbols were signatures of the killer.) Hasn't been anything similar since, but he may strike again.
The convoluted message was left, of which I first believed was innocent, a way of expressing grief.  Now I wonder!!

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #489 on: September 06, 2012, 10:52:52 PM »
Yes, those items do not match the types of items left by the family at the new memorial.  They could have been left by a friend but if the killer is First Nations then the items left at the spot where she was killed may very well be from him.  I still think that there is no proof that the guy living behind the cegep is the murderer BUT it seems he disappeared right after the murder and there was a possible sighting in Maniwaki (where there is a reserve) with violence towards an animal involved.  A the same time, the homeless guy in the woods probably would not have been the one to paint the 8 on the tree (which is still there but faded...I went and looked).  So maybe the guy in the woods really did see something and then left the items before he disappeared from the area...maybe they are more of a clue than we thought...the q-tip is the only potential "personal item" in the collection but there's no proof that it came directly from Valerie.  Someone not connected with Valerie's family and friends may have been trying to cleanse the area. 
« Last Edit: September 07, 2012, 02:07:20 PM by Livelife29 »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #490 on: September 25, 2012, 01:13:53 PM »
Livelife29:  If the cops were swift, they would have taken down this memorial, including q-tip and put it through dna testing.  If it has been left to the elements, well---------?

Stupido-

It may not prove anything -

Where are they in this investigation with her murder, do you know?  I don't live in quebec, so am out of the loop!
I still care - a young Canadian woman was murdered in broad daylite, no witnesses - etc.
Unbelievable!  Her family is in torment.
Who would think that a daughter, or grand daughter, would go off to school and be murdered on the grounds in broad daylite?
Of course, the day that she left for school, family would assume that it would be like any other day for their Valerie.
Not so!!
Is any other young woman on campus safe?
Funny, that a similar murder has not happened on campus or in the surrounding area.
She was to my mind, targetted!!  This was not done by a homeless person - but she did , to my mind, know her killer and was enticed to that spot!
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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #491 on: September 26, 2012, 07:44:02 AM »
The police set up another command post around August 23rd 2012 but news cameras reportedly scared would be witnesses away.  The family has suffered another blow:  vandals destroyed the memorial they left at the murder site this past weekend. 

I think this is a case of the police sticking to their "official theory" that the guy with the bike is the person they want to talk to and the family seems to believe that Valerie was chosen randomly.   They did not investigate the possible sighting of the "witness" near Maniwaki.  I have no idea what the police are actually doing other than waiting for more information to drop into their laps.

IMO, if the police do not know who left those items then they should definitely have gathered them and analyzed them. 

There was of course the similar case in 2010 where a woman was found burned in the same woods in March.  It was ruled a suicide even though the victim said there were other victims in the woods (none were found).   

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #492 on: September 26, 2012, 02:28:27 PM »
Valerie Leblanc memorial vandalized

"Someone has reportedly vandalized the memorial to murder victim Valerie Leblanc, and Gatineau police are investigating.

The force said in a press release a commemorative plaque, crucifix and picture, erected by Leblanc’s family in a wooded area behind the CEGEP de l’Outaouais, where the teen’s body was found had been damaged.

Police say beer cans were seized at the scene.

“It is possible that people who consumed this beer are connected to wrongdoing. It would be premature at this stage of the investigation to make a link between the vandalism and the murderer,” wrote Gatineau police spokesman Pierre Lanthier in a French language press release.

Gatineau police want anyone with information about the incident to contact Detective Sergeant Yvan Vaillancourt at 819-243-2345 extension 6039.

Leblanc’s body was found beaten and burned near a trail in the woods on August 23, 2011. An autopsy revealed that Leblanc, 18, died from severe head trauma.

Police have no prime suspect or witnesses but continue to investigate, recently returning to the school with a command post that students could visit if they had information to contribute."


http://metronews.ca/news/ottawa/384193/valerie-leblanc-memorial-vandalized-gatineau-police-say/

If the Gatineau police is as thorough in this investigation as they have been in the murder, I don't think the vandals have to worry very much!!

I'm sorry for the nasty comment, but I feel they have bungled this case from Day 1.

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #493 on: September 26, 2012, 04:14:36 PM »
Lisanne...yeah, I think those vandals are shakin' in their boots right now!   It's amazing to me that the police think that the beer drinkers may have been involved in the vandalism.  They don't seem to want to connect people who are at the scene or involved in Valerie's life to her murder.  Its as thought they have cleared anyone connected to that day or to her life except the "witness" in the police sketch and that sketch does not even resemble the descriptions given by eyewitnesses! 
« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 09:17:18 PM by Livelife29 »

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Re: Valerie Leblanc 18 -murdered -Gatineau, Que -Aug 23, 2011
« Reply #494 on: September 26, 2012, 10:57:27 PM »
So in March, 2010, a woman - 20-yr. old (?) - is found badly burned in the same area, and before losing consciousness she points to the woods and says something about "other victims"  She goes unconscious and is brought to a hospital in Montreal.  The police search the woods and rule right away that it is an "attempted suicide".- although the victim cannot confirm this because she is still unconscious.  They do not release her name and there are no follow-up news stories that I can find on her.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/03/gatineau-burned-woman.html

Valerie Leblanc was about the same age, she was found in about the same place, and both victims were discovered on a Tuesday.
I can't help but feel that there is some kind of cover-up going on.  Valerie Leblanc was planning on becoming a police officer, there was a police academic program being offered where she was studying, her grandfather was a police officer.  She must have known a number of police officers.
These kids that were briefly accused of tampering with the body - I think that's just a red herring.  (I watched the interview with the young man and read the french-language transcript of Josianne on the radio.  They sound fairly normal - maybe a bit in shock, maybe immature, but not suspect in my mind.  They were interoggated for over five hours at the station.  They were willing to speak to the media.  Josianne went in the following day to speak to the police on campus...  After all this time one of them would have come forward - or the police would have found something on them.  They probably even had their emails and phone calls monitored for months after they were charged with tampering.)       
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