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Author Topic: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010  (Read 47084 times)

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From what I read Abi and her mom were close. I too have not read the mother saying that, it would be interesting to find that proof, if it exists. I think it is hard on families not knowing, not able to find. I believe all doors are open. I just wish clues would walk through. I just don't get the feeling that Abi is out there  happily raising the child. It doesn't add up.

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Re: language:

Point, and a small one, no one is arrested for putting signs in English up. Those laws have been amended so far as I am aware. You're fine so long as French is the predominant language on signage. Under the first incarnation, Montreal had the only Chinatown in the world absent of Chinese writing (!) because it was French only. That said, the above is my very literal interpretation to an online source explaining bills 101 and 88. It's still something contended over, like the Irish pub that has been the centre of controversy for not offering menus or service en Francais, but, IMO, that's a case of someone pushing back just a wee bit too far.

Montreal itself is a vastly multicultural city with a large and thriving Irish population, so English is not uncommon whatsoever. Further, many Anglos with very limited French have moved to Montreal to work as it's a very large centre for business and finance. Most will learn French in time as immersion is the best solution, IMO. Quebec City is a bit more of a stretch but this isn't the 70's and people have realized that bilingualism, when your first language is something other than English, is somewhat essential should you ever want to leave the confines of la Belle Province.

I have vacationed in Quebec numerous times and so far I have found the stereotype of Quebecois being rude and ignorant of Anglos to be patently false. Even my wife's very limited French was enough for her just so long as she showed the effort. Heck, world over I can make the same claim about being exposed to other languages/cultures, which I have been on quite a few occasions.

Ergo, I don't consider it out of the realm of possibility for this woman to have gone to see her sister in Montreal. That said, it's a rather small point as things do not add up, as Concerned has pointed out already.

I suppose the reason I wouldn't want to see Montreal dismissed as a potential destination is because that limits options for investigative angles. FWIW. Sorry it took so long to get to that, but I wanted to explain myself clearly.

le Nish 8)

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2012, 09:35:33 PM »
 If Abigail had stayed with her sister in Montreal, surely LE would have heard something by now. I don't believe Abigail went in that direction. She is somewhere, the question is , where?? Being held somewhere against her will is also a possibility. ??

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2012, 07:29:52 PM »
I don't think that language should be a barrier.  If she went to Montreal to live with her sister, and if the police are aware of it, then case closed. Police will inform her mom that she is safe, but that she  doesn't want  to be found, and does not want any communication between herself and her Mom. Perhaps a new life, was her desire, and perhaps her sister took her in.

Just taking hopeforabi's post into consideration here.

I hope that hopeforabi will come back on and let us know if Abi is safe, but I doubt it!!
Lack of communication todate from her mother says alot to me.  She is not  there, she is silent.\ so am thinking that the mom knows that her daughter is okay and can't be bothered in saying anything more.  Not all Mom's are the same. One poster says that she is still on the missing person list, another says that she is not.
Is she still on it or not?
If she still is on the missing persons updated list, then the scenario changes. All info and alarms go back to 2010
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2012, 08:11:02 PM by jellybean »

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #109 on: September 13, 2012, 06:36:03 PM »
I hate to burst bubbles and take the disneyworld affect away from everybody. But I believe Abigail Andrews is a victim of a serious crime and may no longer be with us. I am not saying this to hurt anybody, it is my opinion. We are into over two years without any known contact with Abigail. She was a pregnant lady. She needs all the help she can get from her family and friends. And I am sure that if she had gone to another province, that her family and friends would be aware of her being safe and okay. I feel that somebody should be once again reviewing Abi's wereabouts and if she cannot be contacted, that there should be a very serious investigation as to what happened to her. If your family doesn't get involved in these cases, who else cares, nobody. The police making such comments should be unacceptable and they damned sure wouldn't be telling me that, because I'd be all over the media with a comment like that. Every tax payer has the right to police protection and that is what they are getting paid for. If a crime has taken place, they need to find out. If she is reported missing and was last seen at a certain residence, start from there. It is as simple as that. It makes me angry to think this case has just slipped by the wayside. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

And just to make another note here, she was pregnant, so there are two people missing, not one. :( :( :( :( :( :(

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #110 on: September 16, 2012, 12:00:05 AM »
In reading the father of her baby saying that he was meeting up with her to discuss what to do about everything (the pregnancy and all that relates to it, etc)- I know they ruled out his DNA, but have they ruled out this man's wife?  Were there traces of anyone else being there, unbeknownst to Abigail until she showed up?  I'm wondering if she walked into a setup?

what disturbs me the most is how far along she was.  If she was murdered, what became of the baby?  I wonder how to go about finding out if there were abandoned babies left with child protection services/hospitals across Canada around when Abigail would have given birth? 

I realize how paranoid this next part sounds, but stranger things have happened- could Abigail have decided to adopt the baby out, and perhaps to the father and his wife?  Perhaps she felt she couldn't care for it?  Or, she could have been forced to give it up, under threat perhaps?

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #111 on: September 17, 2012, 11:58:20 AM »
I believe Abigail was murdered. I believe she was murdered the night she went to meet up with this so called person to talk about the baby. It was a setup, of course it was, there was plans to harm her and get her out of the way. Something happened. People don't just disappear who are pregnant, go over to have a few words with someone and nobody sees them anymore. The common sense has gone out the window here and Fort St. John sure doesn't sound like a good place to live. Totally unacceptable if some bastard is getting away with a crime like this. This could be another Lacey Peterson, remember the case, he murdered her on Christmas Eve, imagine and threw her body in the ocean. This SOB could have done the same thing. ABIGAIL'S CASE HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED. COME ON FORT ST. JOHN, GET THIS CASE SOLVED. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #112 on: September 17, 2012, 06:36:52 PM »
I still think that Abigail had a stalker. She worked at the bar. She disappeared leaving the boyfriends house,? evening ,dark street, no one saw anything.?  I don't think the baby's father knows anything.  I agree cape it was a set-up, but by some one that knew she was going to visit him. I think Abigail is being held against her will. And I agree cape, Abigail's case should be investigated, this case should get solved and the perps put where they belong.

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #113 on: September 17, 2012, 08:59:59 PM »
The search for Abigail went very quiet. About the same time Abigail was removed from Missing persons list, the family were also resigned as to her fate. None of it was shared with the public as to why.

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #114 on: September 18, 2012, 03:04:27 PM »
There was no report of anyone stalking Abigail. The last known person she saw was having coffee with her. But who saw her leaving his residence?????? And why did things get so quiet????? They seemed very tight lipped on the west coast. We hear this over and over again, nobody wants to talk about anything that went on. There are several missing women and it is quite evident where they were. Just think about all of the women on here in the west that just disappeared. I believe the guy she went to see has something to do with her disappearance. Was she walking??? Was she driving? Where is the vehicle she drove in??? Did the police investigate this man thoroughly. Like did he have a bank account that there was a big advance of money taken out??? Did he pay someone to get rid of Abi???? All of these questions would be definitely on my list. And if it was my sister or family member, I'd be sitting on the doorstep of the police station. I'd be squawking day and night about it and not letting it rest. They'd do something or they wouldn't have a job. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #115 on: September 18, 2012, 06:39:24 PM »
Has it in fact been aserted that she actually left the babys fathers house, or is it just his word we are trusting, after all he was a married man, so how good is his word. JMO.

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #116 on: September 18, 2012, 07:45:50 PM »
Eyes, exactly. He is the last known person to have seen her. And we'll look at Kyron's case and there were many witnesses, but yet they accuse Teri of doing something to Kyron. But this lady went to an apartment, a place that she was alone with the individual, something surely could be suspicious here. He had a motive to make her disappear, that is what I'm getting at. I say he knows exactly what happened to Abi. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #117 on: November 17, 2012, 09:38:06 AM »
Could the father be cleared, but still involved? This reminds me of the story from the states http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/pregnant-woman-who-was-kidnapped-set-on-fire-and-shot-gives-birth/  where a pregnant woman was lured to a drive-in movie by the baby-daddy. After the movie she drove him to his girlfriend's home where she pulled into the garage, but then the garage door shut unexpectantly behind them. She was attacked by the baby-daddy's friend who had agreed to help his friend murder her for free. They kidnapped her by gunpoint, gagged her, tied her up and blind-folded, then took her to an alley. They poured liquid on her and set her on fire. She was able to get out of the car and began rolling around on the ground trying to put the fire out. When that didn't work, they shot her in the back. At that point she played dead until the men left.  She was somehow able to get to her mother's house and taken to the hospital. The baby was delivered by emergency C-section one month early. Both mother and baby survived.

I tell this story because it is another twist on the pregnant mother missing or found murdered. In this case she was pregnant with the baby-daddy's third child. He had a girlfriend. It appears he thought it would be best to take care of the situation and make it go away. One scenario. In other cases we hear of a woman who told her boyfriend a lie that she was pregnant to keep them together and she "steals" a baby by abducting a woman. A third scenario is baby trafficking; following a pregnant mother to have babies to traffic. The fourth, is scenario is women wanting a baby of their own and taking them. The fifth is the spouse/girlfriend of the baby-daddy.

I can't help but think that Abigail's situation falls into one of these. There is a lesson here, though. If you are not married and you become pregnant, you need to be extra cautious if you do not have an iron-clad relationship with the baby-daddy. Babies are life changers for many. Add to that, they require financial commitment, time and extended relationships between parents. There are panic emotions involved by many.  Sometimes I wonder if the new mom is in a fantasy expectation and does't see the warning signs of possible harm. Perhaps they should be  schooled on the risks so they can be vigilent of not putting themselves into harm's way.
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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #118 on: November 17, 2012, 02:17:15 PM »
I agree with all of the above, the "situation" points at a most likely highly probable poi. No arrest does not mean someone is innocent of the crime, possibly just not enough evidence. Abigail did not fit other usual case scenarios of high risk lifestyle with multiple potential poi origins. I wonder the level of investigation, the modern day forensics that were employed at the time? Did this just fall through the cracks due to location of occurance and inexperience of investigators? Could forensics play a role even today if called upon? Speculation can lead to probable locations where one may dispose of a body. Look at what sort of vehicle the poi has, the terrain involved, the time schedule, the past experience etc.. Abigail was a big girl, too hard to carry too far off a road. Which road to take how far?

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Re: Abigail Andrews | 28 | Missing | Pregnant | Fort. St. John | April 7, 2010
« Reply #119 on: November 17, 2012, 05:53:20 PM »
According to what has already been said, Abigail's parents were resigned to the fact Abigail was deceased and seemed to be wanted to be spared the details. Missing signs came down, etc. What choices did police have to press on?
I don't understand this at all.