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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2011, 10:40:27 PM »
psychopaths and narcissists are not necessarily created, but rather BORN...
it could happen to many people in many situations that their child become one of them....
I think the focus needs to remain on the 'boys'....
kruse's mom has suffered not once but twice...
she moved away to escape what her ex had done, only to have her life in this city destroyed...
she suffered at the hands of her ex and her son...and now she has lost her home and her community
I don't feel it is fair to JUDGE the parents of these boys without knowing the circumstances of the inner workings of their families...
many serial killers come from sane two parent families.....

MY heart breaks for KIM'S family, my daughters went to school with her



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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2011, 11:16:40 PM »
Sorry FS. I agree with you, mostly it seems to be their upbringing but it can be defect at birth. Physical defects are obvious but sadly mental ones are not always. 

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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2011, 11:21:48 PM »
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I don't feel it is fair to JUDGE the parents of these boys without knowing the circumstances of the inner workings of their families...

I believe that the father of one of these boys is serving time in prison himself, for the murder of a sixteen year old girl.

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2011, 11:22:43 PM »
That may be so. She was a single mom and I can relate to that. But where are the controls?  These boys were bad kids. Especially Wellwood.  He has assaulted his mother before.  Yet his mom would leave him alone at home over night?  If my child was out of control like that I would not leave my child home alone with free reign.  These boys were also looking up necro porn online.  Was the mother even looking at internet history?  I know there is a fine line between snooping on your children and watching out for them. But when you have a child that has a pattern of this bad behavior you should be keep them on an even tighter leash.  There is the nature vs nuture theory which has proven children with criminal parents adopted by good families still having issues. I don't believe in a "killer gene" but I go believe parents temperments do come into play with children.  I don't think the mother thought her son was capable of murder but I do believe there were plenty of signs that there was trouble.  This boy obviously got away with trouble in the past.

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2011, 12:19:03 PM »
Kruse was abusive to his mom absolutely and as someone who has experienced abuse in her life...it is so hard to SEE when you are in it....
it is exhausting and isolating.......you continually walk on eggshells hoping, praying, begging people to SEE to help...and are often left alone...
I am not excusing the parents of these boys, but again, WE do NOT know what they have gone through
We don't know if they have been begging for help and not getting it...both narcissism and psychopathy are hard to diagnose and virtually impossible to treat....
I feel for these parents....they will have to live with the sins of their sons forever...and YES probably the SELF doubt and the wondering IF they could have prevented this beautiful girls murder....

this is just a horrible nightmare situation ALL around....
not one that happens in this peaceful small city.........

FS

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2013, 11:04:00 PM »
The family of a murdered Victoria-area teenager has proposed seven changes to the Youth Criminal Justice Act as they call on the federal and B.C. governments to protect society from dangerous youths.
 
Kimberly Proctor's parents, grandparents and brother told a news conference Thursday that they've sent letters to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and B.C. Premier Christy Clark outlining the changes.
 
Kimberly’s father, Fred Proctor, said Ottawa needs to toughen penalties for young offenders raised to adult court.
 
He said he wants truth in sentencing so that youth who are sentenced as adults receive full adult sentences.
 
Proctor said the family is still reeling that the two teens who raped, tortured and murdered his 18-year-old daughter in March 2010 are eligible for parole in 10 years as opposed to the adult sentence of life with parole eligibility after 25 years.
Kimberly Proctor was a student at Pacific Secondary School who briefly dated one of the teens who has admitted to killing her.
"We were led to believe they were going to be sentenced as adults," he said. "This is a farce. It's ridiculous."
 
"Is the rest of the country aware of this? It's a farce. Does that mean in seven years' time we're going to have to go through a parole hearing and get dragged through all this garbage again?"
 
The Proctor family is calling the proposed changes Kimberly's Law.
 
Kruse Wellwood, 17, and Cameron Moffat, 18, eventually pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Proctor, whom they admitted they lured to Wellwood's house, then raped, tortured and suffocated before setting fire to her remains.
 
The pair were sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for at least 10 years.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/01/10/bc-kimberly-proctor-family.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hERLSvkPg4o
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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2017, 08:06:51 AM »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kimberly-proctor-s-family-seek-mandatory-treatment-of-violent-teens-1.2644311

Kimberly Proctor's family seek mandatory treatment of violent teens
18-year-old Kimberly Proctor was raped, tortured and murdered by two teenage boys in 2010
CBC News Posted: May 15, 2014

The family of a Victoria teen who was raped, tortured and murdered by two teenage boys in 2010 was at the B.C. legislature Wednesday, to gain support for "Kimberly's Law."

Kimberly Proctor, 18, was lured to a home by Kruse Wellwood, then 16, and Cameron Moffat, then 17, and sexually assaulted, beaten and suffocated to death, before they dumped her body on a hiking trail and set fire to it.

Wellwood and Moffat eventually pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Proctor and were sentenced as adults to life in prison with no chance of parole for 10 years.
Proctor's family believes children who are diagnosed as violent or dysfunctional should be ordered into treatment. Proctor's aunt, Joanne Landolt says that didn't happen in the case of Wellwood and Moffatt.

"These two showed brutal signs at a very early age and if they had gotten the treatment, maybe it wouldn't have escalated and we wouldn't be here today. We don't know," she said.

Conversations between Wellwood and his mother, secretly recorded by police ahead of the trial, revealed an abusive relationship.

His mother even wondered if he inherited a psychopathic personality from his father, who was also in prison for murdering a teenage girl.

Both teens were described in assessment reports as psychopaths with sexual deviance and conduct disorder.

At their sentencing hearing, Wellwood apologized for the killing, saying he was deeply sorry and he had always hated his father for what he had done.

Kimberly's Law proposes fines for parents if they don't ensure their children take treatment. The premier says she's willing to look at expanding the Parental Responsibility Act to include the Proctors' recommendations.

"We should go back, I think and have a look and see if we could change that to make it more effective. I think that it's something we should do," said Clark.

"There's lots of good ideas in what they're presenting and to draw something good out of that terrible tragedy is something that they deserve."

The Proctors plan to lobby the federal government to change the Youth Criminal Justice Act so those found guilty of murder are publicly named, and if sentenced as adults, are only eligible for parole after serving 25 years, instead of the 10-year minimum now in place.

Picture Of Kimberly ...Picture of the two convicted


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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2017, 01:14:45 PM »
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The family wants high-risk youth identified and ordered into counselling, with their parents made responsible for their actions if they don’t take steps to help in their children’s rehabilitation.

Landolt is offended that the legal system is focused on Moffat and rehabilitation, not on the severity of the crime.

“We need counselling and treatment to help youth who are exhibiting high-risk behaviours,” said Landolt, who maintains Kimberly’s murderers should have been identified before the fact and given treatment then — not after they’d committed a horrible crime.

This makes  much sense, and I hope that common sense will finally prevail.

Youth can be exceptionally cruel in their crimes - that can be very shocking.
Yes, the parents should hold some responsibility, unless they can prove that they have made many attempts at getting their child help in the past.

A small portion of troubled youth, unfortunately cannot be rehabilitated, for various reasons, in spite of all interventions.  At least, that is my belief.

I wish every success to the Proctor Family - who in the end are doing a great service to all Canadian families.

JB

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2017, 04:29:58 PM »
I thought I would add this news to Kim's thread. Murderer Kruse Wellwood's father Robert Raymond Dezwaas recently went missing from a B.C. minimum security prison. He has been recaptured. Hopefully he will never be granted parole, and hopefully he didn't get to kill anyone while he was missing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-killer-recaptured-after-he-disappeared-from-b-c-prison-1.4071993

A Kelowna, B.C., man serving a life sentence for strangling a teenage girl to death 16 years ago has been recaptured after being reported missing from the minimum security unit at a prison in Mission, B.C.

Correctional Service Canada said RCMP from the nearby Agassiz detachment apprehended Dezwaan at around 11:15 a.m. PT Saturday morning.

CSC said Dezwaan had been "unlawfully at large" since April 14, and it will be investigating the circumstances that led to the incident.

Late Friday, Correctional Service Canada announced Dezwaan had not been accounted for at the Mission Institution as of that afternoon.

In 2003, Dezwaan pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the death of 16-year-old Cherish Oppenheim of Merritt, two years after choking her to death and leaving her body in the woods.

Dezwaan was sentenced to life in prison, with no opportunity for parole for 15 years. His son, Kruse Wellwood, was one of two people found guilty of first-degree murder of Kimberly Proctor, an 18-year-old from Victoria, in March 2010.

Modified to add that I didn't find a thread for Cherish Oppenheim on UC.
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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2017, 04:48:41 AM »
How does one even begin to try to understand this? Father a convicted murderer and then son also.
Was it in the son's mind to make his daddy proud ?  The world could have done quite nicely without these two ever being born.

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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2017, 09:15:19 AM »
Does this support the theory that "criminal minds" can be genetic?
It isn't one that I would support, but it does make one stop and think.

The old saying - like father, like son?


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« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2017, 09:47:23 AM »
JB, maybe you are trying say.. son is a chip off the old cell Block...

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« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2017, 11:19:15 AM »
I once read a true story, written by a Dr. who had a young patient, who was impossible at the time to treat.  By the time he was two years of age, he had already set fire to the family cat, and by the time he was 12 he was in trouble with the law in a very serious way.

He was an only child, and the parents loved their boy deeply.  They were ordinary people,who went on a quest to help their little boy.

A child psychiatrist, who was the last of many to examine him, came to the conclusion, that this child was not suffering from any mental illness, but was born evil, and to have him institutionalized as he was harmful and dangerous to the public. Dr's who studied him, sadly agreed. The parents were advised not to have any more children.

Since the parents by this time, were financially ruined, and emotionally exhausted. they agreed with the diagnosis that nothing could be done,  and through the courts had their child institutionalized.

I have never forgotten that write up.

Some people are not treatable.  Although, I  was surprised that the psychiatrist used the word evil.

JB
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« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2017, 01:33:49 PM »
I suspect there are many socio/psycho/paths among us...The part of the brain that feels empathy, sympathy, compassion is either absent or the synapses are not hitting right. Many people can feign these human attributes and do live and thrive . Intelligence with a lack of conscience is probably not as rare as we would like to believe.