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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2011, 10:40:27 PM »
psychopaths and narcissists are not necessarily created, but rather BORN...
it could happen to many people in many situations that their child become one of them....
I think the focus needs to remain on the 'boys'....
kruse's mom has suffered not once but twice...
she moved away to escape what her ex had done, only to have her life in this city destroyed...
she suffered at the hands of her ex and her son...and now she has lost her home and her community
I don't feel it is fair to JUDGE the parents of these boys without knowing the circumstances of the inner workings of their families...
many serial killers come from sane two parent families.....

MY heart breaks for KIM'S family, my daughters went to school with her



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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2011, 11:16:40 PM »
Sorry FS. I agree with you, mostly it seems to be their upbringing but it can be defect at birth. Physical defects are obvious but sadly mental ones are not always. 

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2011, 11:21:48 PM »
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I don't feel it is fair to JUDGE the parents of these boys without knowing the circumstances of the inner workings of their families...

I believe that the father of one of these boys is serving time in prison himself, for the murder of a sixteen year old girl.

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2011, 11:22:43 PM »
That may be so. She was a single mom and I can relate to that. But where are the controls?  These boys were bad kids. Especially Wellwood.  He has assaulted his mother before.  Yet his mom would leave him alone at home over night?  If my child was out of control like that I would not leave my child home alone with free reign.  These boys were also looking up necro porn online.  Was the mother even looking at internet history?  I know there is a fine line between snooping on your children and watching out for them. But when you have a child that has a pattern of this bad behavior you should be keep them on an even tighter leash.  There is the nature vs nuture theory which has proven children with criminal parents adopted by good families still having issues. I don't believe in a "killer gene" but I go believe parents temperments do come into play with children.  I don't think the mother thought her son was capable of murder but I do believe there were plenty of signs that there was trouble.  This boy obviously got away with trouble in the past.

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2011, 12:19:03 PM »
Kruse was abusive to his mom absolutely and as someone who has experienced abuse in her life...it is so hard to SEE when you are in it....
it is exhausting and isolating.......you continually walk on eggshells hoping, praying, begging people to SEE to help...and are often left alone...
I am not excusing the parents of these boys, but again, WE do NOT know what they have gone through
We don't know if they have been begging for help and not getting it...both narcissism and psychopathy are hard to diagnose and virtually impossible to treat....
I feel for these parents....they will have to live with the sins of their sons forever...and YES probably the SELF doubt and the wondering IF they could have prevented this beautiful girls murder....

this is just a horrible nightmare situation ALL around....
not one that happens in this peaceful small city.........

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2017, 01:14:45 PM »
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This makes  much sense, and I hope that common sense will finally prevail.

Youth can be exceptionally cruel in their crimes - that can be very shocking.
Yes, the parents should hold some responsibility, unless they can prove that they have made many attempts at getting their child help in the past.

A small portion of troubled youth, unfortunately cannot be rehabilitated, for various reasons, in spite of all interventions.  At least, that is my belief.

I wish every success to the Proctor Family - who in the end are doing a great service to all Canadian families.

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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2017, 04:29:58 PM »
I thought I would add this news to Kim's thread. Murderer Kruse Wellwood's father Robert Raymond Dezwaas recently went missing from a B.C. minimum security prison. He has been recaptured. Hopefully he will never be granted parole, and hopefully he didn't get to kill anyone while he was missing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-killer-recaptured-after-he-disappeared-from-b-c-prison-1.4071993

A Kelowna, B.C., man serving a life sentence for strangling a teenage girl to death 16 years ago has been recaptured after being reported missing from the minimum security unit at a prison in Mission, B.C.

Correctional Service Canada said RCMP from the nearby Agassiz detachment apprehended Dezwaan at around 11:15 a.m. PT Saturday morning.

CSC said Dezwaan had been "unlawfully at large" since April 14, and it will be investigating the circumstances that led to the incident.

Late Friday, Correctional Service Canada announced Dezwaan had not been accounted for at the Mission Institution as of that afternoon.

In 2003, Dezwaan pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the death of 16-year-old Cherish Oppenheim of Merritt, two years after choking her to death and leaving her body in the woods.

Dezwaan was sentenced to life in prison, with no opportunity for parole for 15 years. His son, Kruse Wellwood, was one of two people found guilty of first-degree murder of Kimberly Proctor, an 18-year-old from Victoria, in March 2010.

Modified to add that I didn't find a thread for Cherish Oppenheim on UC.
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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2017, 09:15:19 AM »
Does this support the theory that "criminal minds" can be genetic?
It isn't one that I would support, but it does make one stop and think.

The old saying - like father, like son?


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Re: Kimberly Proctor - Missing- March 18/10 Colwood/Langford
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2017, 11:19:15 AM »
I once read a true story, written by a Dr. who had a young patient, who was impossible at the time to treat.  By the time he was two years of age, he had already set fire to the family cat, and by the time he was 12 he was in trouble with the law in a very serious way.

He was an only child, and the parents loved their boy deeply.  They were ordinary people,who went on a quest to help their little boy.

A child psychiatrist, who was the last of many to examine him, came to the conclusion, that this child was not suffering from any mental illness, but was born evil, and to have him institutionalized as he was harmful and dangerous to the public. Dr's who studied him, sadly agreed. The parents were advised not to have any more children.

Since the parents by this time, were financially ruined, and emotionally exhausted. they agreed with the diagnosis that nothing could be done,  and through the courts had their child institutionalized.

I have never forgotten that write up.

Some people are not treatable.  Although, I  was surprised that the psychiatrist used the word evil.

JB
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