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Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« on: February 13, 2010, 04:10:30 AM »
There are apparently thirty or so murder investigations currently underway in which Russel Williams is a suspect. Several threads on this board have begun discussing Williams in relation to various murders we have listed on here. All of those connections are a little difficult to find without reading through the entire board.
So If we could post all the suspected victims names and links together here under one heading as they arise it would help. Just post a link back to each individual victims thread when possible.

First there was

Cpl. Marie-France Comeau,

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Jessica Lloyd
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,3203.0.html

then
Kathleen MacVicar http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,215.msg32546/boardseen.html#new


Margaret Williams name has been brought up
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,3219.new/boardseen.html#new

The latest speculation centers around
 Elizabeth Bain
news- http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/02/11/12845941.htm

see more - http://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=Elizabeth+Bain+murder&meta=&btnG=Google+Search


 
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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 04:25:08 AM »
People are asking questions about Col. Williams in relation to Penny Warne:
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2684.30.html

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2010, 03:41:52 PM »
Janice Louise Howe, is being mentioned from Williams time in Manitoba..

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,3211.msg32524.html#msg32524

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2010, 04:48:57 PM »
Bain, Baltovich(her ex), Bernardo, and Col Williams all went to UofT Scarborough,  Col.Williams and Bernardo graduated in 1987....I believe Bain and Baltovich were still attending the Scar. campus, when she disappeared in 1990.  The link is geography......

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 06:34:57 PM »
jobo, yes, Bain was attending U of T ( Scarborough campus) the night she disappeared..not sure about Baltovich ( I think so) but he claims he went to meet her after class.
yes, it's geography..I believe from the timeline Williams was here in Trenton in /90..from Trenton to Scarborough is is mere 1 & 1/2 drive. Back then, it likely took less time.
I read a book years ago regarding this crime.  In the book it was mentioned Elizabeth Bain kept a diary in her room ( at her parent's home) , some of which became key to Baltovich's conviction as pages were missing.  However, there were entries relating to someone new she had met and and was very excited. 

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 06:51:54 PM »
Was there ever any indication as to how or when the pages came to be removed from her diary? Before or after Elizabeths murder investigation began?

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 07:32:21 PM »
Also.....witness's say they saw her with a blond guy...her car found not too far from the #401, and Elizabeth was a lovely brunette........and they say there was a handprint on her car, so it is possible a connection could be made right now with that handprint...Also there was a private investigator involved (I believe for Baltivich). And Baltivich had the best lawyer around, so I would bet he'll want to know more, as he spent many years in jail for a crime he didn't commit.

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 07:54:42 PM »
I am unfamiliar with Elizabeth Bain's case. I found the following time line that brought some of the pieces together:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/baltovich_robert/

It is a lengthy article but makes several references to evidence that existed that pointed to Bernardo. Is it a situation where it was never pursued against him because he was already convicted and found a dangerous offender? Or was there not enough evidence to pursue? Either way, whatever they had it was enough for Baltovich to be found not guilty.

With reference to the possible connection between Bernardo and Williams, I believe it is possible the media has blown it out of proportion. Were they 'friends' or were they classmates who didn't even know each other? Is it a coincidence? What is interesting to me is that the percentage of people out of the population who commit crimes like Bernardo and like the crimes alleged against Williams, is very minute. The statistical anomaly that these two men were at the same educational institution, in the same or similar programs, were there at the same time and may or may not have known each other is significant. The likelihood that those who commit crimes like this don't just begin doing so during mid-life.  Certainly it is going to be investigated in due course.

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 08:16:50 PM »
The connection with Bernardo and Williams, from what I gather, Is that they lived in the same vicinity, they graduated the same year from UofT Scar.campus, they may have known each other but I don't see these type of perps. discussing their criminal behaviors with each other. One would not know what the other was up to unless they did a crime or 2 together, which I highly doubt, but, that is just my opinion.

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 08:35:41 PM »
jobo, I don't disagree with you at all.

It is unlikely that they acted together and/or even knew of the others crimes if any existed during that time period, or even knew each other all together.  

It is statistically interesting to me though, that out of the entire population that two men (one allegedly) committng these crimes were in very close proximity to each other for a period of their young adult years. It appears during these years that Bernardo may have been actively committing crimes.  I do not know if Williams was or was not. It is possible he began exhibiting sociopathic behaviour during that period of time but who knows whether it manifested into violent criminal acts.   

 
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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 11:50:37 PM »
Another victim?
Deborah Rashotte

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On the same day that Jessica Lloyd was laid to rest by her family, another local woman was being reported missing by Belleville police.

Belleville Police Chief, Cory McMullan said police are asking for information about Deborah Rashotte who was last seen about a month ago

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2448289

more: http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,3223.0.html
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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 12:05:06 AM »

I'm certainly wondering why there was so little information released to the public about the disappearance of Deborah Rashotte. Perhaps RCMP didn't want to cause too much panic? I would think that to the contrary it would have caused them to diligently warn women about the immediate danger.

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 02:23:25 AM »
On a facebook post, it was said that Deborah was known to disappear for weeks at a time. 

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2010, 03:03:36 AM »
Yes, and purse/cell left behind as well.

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Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 08:12:18 AM »
D1 re: missing diary pages

I truly can't recall how the pages went missing.  If memory serves me correctly, in the days following Elizabeth Bain's disapearance, Robert Baltovich was at the home of her parents quite frequently in the hope of aiding in the search.  It was my understanding he borrowed Elizabeth's diary and later returned it, apparently with pages removed..Baltovich denied doing so.  The missing diary pages ( as well as other circumstantial evidence) played a large part in his initial conviction.