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Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« on: August 18, 2009, 03:07:19 AM »
Missing and presumed dead, since May 30th/2005 in Aruba. Natalee, one of a group of teenagers celebrating graduation had an all out wild time in Aruba. On her last night there, she left a bar, Carlos & Charlies with 3 locals. Natalee ended up at the Mariott beach with one, a Dutch teen aged 17 yo who claims he left her on the beach and went home because he had exams to study for and she didn't want to leave back to her hotel.
Not a shred of evidence of clothing, etc was ever found as we know it, however we don't know what the Aruban LE have.
The Police didn't place surveillance on the 3 young men for 9 days after the disappearance. As statements came out, interviews held, many lies were uncovered as none of the suspects gave similar statements. Police had been after two black men who had worked as Security at the local hotels, and they were incarcerated even though they had alibis. They were eventually freed as the 3 local young men were incarcerated.
Natalee's mother and step-father made alot of headlines, and sometimes with erroneous statements that angered the general public. Nancy Grace and Greta van Susteran tore a strip or more off Aruba and it's police investigations. All of this spurred alot of hatered towards the family of the missing girl. Those that hated the family, turned to supporting the Dutch teen, Joran van der Sloot and his family, the main suspect.
The case was touted as the "missing white syndrome" or something to that effect, as Natalee's family were of considerable wealth.
Discussions on the case were often heated, threats were made against Aruba, and all of this turned the case into the most bizarre in history as far as I know.
Mediums and other sorts became involved and came away from the case with bizarre stories and as well some local spokespersons in Aruba spun some great stories. Posters became involved in helping the Suspects family, and eventually were able to meet the suspect and family.
The following is an E-line book that has all the videos, and all the media transcripts as well as statements on the case. I will have to say that many of the articles that are written by posters are somewhat biased since the author of the E-line book is one that has befriended the family and believes implicitely what they say.

http://noevidenceofacrime.com/

The main suspect had been doing interviews and as well was riding with an acclaimed criminal, who was using entrapment to have him spill what really happened to Natalee, while the rangerover was equipped with surveillance equipment. Joran claimed she shook all over and seemd dead so he had someone dump her in the ocean. After this surfaced he ran scared and claimed he only said those things to impress the person who was questioning him as he wanted to commence a marijuana/drug operarion with him and he wanted to sound tough.
There is circumstantial evidence but no body.

If you are interested, there is alot of reading at the above link. My opinion is that the main suspect knows exactly what happened to Natalee, however I don't think it was premeditated murder...rather an accident of too much alcohol and possibly drugs, and whatever else that happened that necessitated the body being disposed of rather than 911 being called.

eta: another link with some history on the case:

 http://hollowaycase.com/
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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 07:03:47 PM »
I believe that there was a lot of alcohol consumed also. I also believe that they placed something in Natalee's drink, possibly a date rape drug. Why would this girl get in a car with strangers. It would only be that she was drugged and was not aware of the great danger she was in. I believe that they are responsible for her death and know what happened to her. They gave her drugs possibly and she possibly took some kind of a seizure and  they did nothing to help her. There are many stories since the day of this tragedy and I don't know if her parents will ever know the truth of what happened to Natalee. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 06:55:04 PM »
A big coverup for sure, because his father was a Judge. I definitely believe his father was involved that evening and helped cover up a crime. There were stories of a boat that possibly took her body out in the ocean and disposed of her. Searches were done by ships hired by her father and also a search team from the states that went down to help, but to no avail they did not find Natalee. So much time has gone by now and still the guilty parties are getting away with murder. A tragedy all the way around for Natalee's family, because there should be justice in this case. I just wonder how many other cases that are not at the front of the newspaper of people who have gone on vacation and have been reported missing, I can think of a couple in my mind right now that are not on here. They have been reported missing and have never been found. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2009, 08:52:50 PM »
Usually in those high tourist locations nothing much is ever done. There is always usually a coverup, because of the negativity it will bring to the tourist trade. If Natalee's parents didn't push the investigation and spend their own money doing so, I am sure this case would have disappeared quite quickly from the media. I like you, feel that this case will never be solved, because of so many lies and coverups that have been done.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2009, 09:24:02 PM »
SAP, I saw those tapes on a program one evening, it was Dateline or one of those programs. I do believe that this young man was definitely telling the truth. The reporter gained his trust by smoking a joint and he said that Nataliee started shaking and taking some kind of a seizure and that was all he said. I remember that part of it and I believe he said they left her there. Those young men definitely know what happened to Natalee and it is a sickening feeling to know that young people can be so uncaring about another human being of their own age. Sad for the family to have to listen to these stories and not know where Natalee is and what happened to her. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 04:25:49 PM »
I did have a newscast on when there were officials interviewed from Aruba. There is a whole new system in the Attorney General's Department. It was stated that it is possible that young Vandersloot will be taken into custody. And that this time there will not be any coverups or hanky panky going on. It was stated by this person who was interviewed by phone that justice may be forthcoming in this case. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 04:28:27 PM »
This is why it makes me wonder why people are against water boarding people. sure it is ugly, but scum like this creep need it.

For murders and sex offenses, I have no problem with judges approving that techniqye at all. If it is good for terrorists, it is good for sicko's too.

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 06:14:53 PM »
I followed this case along with Nancy Grace.  I believe there is truth in each statement Joran gives either to the police or the press/people/t.v.  99% of them anyways.   The truth is THAT HE WAS THERE  when something terribly wrong happened to Natalee.  I believe he went to the beach with her sometime after the bar scene, and had sex with her, and something went wrong then.  I think the sex got outta hand, and resulted in Natalee's death,(he says she shuddered) and Joran panicked and disposed of her body in the ocean or the swamp ( I just heard about the swamp theory, and it makes sense as there would be no witness's of a boat going out to sea, in the swamp theory).  Joran is telling everyone, to some degree, that he knows what happened that night;  and I believe that his father knew, after the fact, because Joran was acting out of character that night .  But his father could not speculate, now could he?  Or admit it to the authorities, or himself.  I do not blame, one bit, Natalee Holloway's parents for being ever present.  They can afford to, and the case needs to be solved.  Natalee's kin deserve the truth.  Now that Joran's father just passed away, perhaps the pressure for Joran to talk again should be now, as he will be more vulnerable.

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 10:08:09 AM »
 I'm  a member of BFN(blogsfornatalee) and want share form the book Into the Deep by by Dr. Andrew Hodeges this book is based on Deepak Kalpoe's email the Dr. Hodges did a thoughtprint reading on. In it Dr. Hodges took Deepak's witen consious words and found Deepak's unconsious words that tell truths that we hide and lie about.  :o  >:(

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 02:38:09 PM »
 As a layman, and one who has not read the book, but am very familiar with Natalee's disappearance (through Nancy Grace Show),  I think I can see some clues as to how, Deepak's statement does not ring totally true.  I believe some parts of the story are true, like the fact Natalee was in his car, but what really stands out to me is that he seems to know word for word what Joran and Natalee spoke about in the casino, when they first met.  Even down to how much money Natalee had lost...How would Deepak know that fact, when he wasn't even there, by his own admission.  He seems to recall, pretty good, what was said, when he wasn't there, but when he was present, he can't remember exactly what Natalee supposedly said.  A few times that is obvious, and if he is the gentleman he says he is, why drop a stumbling young lady, who has had too much to drink (and perhaps something else slipped into her drink), off at the front doors of the hotel, when she could hardly walk,(according to him).  Deepak makes himself out to be such a nice guy, well, friends take care of friends, that's not how nice guys act.

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 04:54:44 PM »
Deepak is a good story writer, isn't he. He is saving his own ass, that is about it. There was a great story coming out so they wouldn't be all charged with murder. That is a total BS story. Because of the fact that Vandersloot has even said a totally different story. They have changed their stories many times. Something terrible happened to Nataliee that night and they know what it is. They are responisible for her disappearance and that story was totally made up. Those are my views and they should all rot in jail for what they did. Natalee should have been warned never to leave her companions and go with strangers when on a holiday. Most young people go on vacation and think they are safe, they are not. You're not safe in your own city sometimes with strangers, but going abroad and drinking and acting irresponsible is not wise. However, it is a sad thing for her parents. Recent stories have stated that there is a whole new judicial panel in Aruba and Vandersloot is not out of the woods yet. He could be charged at any time with murder, it is up to the authorities. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 11:23:27 PM »
From reading the email sent this is what I got from it. That three young guys picked up a drunk girl, took her to a lighthouse, at least one of them raped her, probably two, then killed her, and put her into the Ocean for the sharks. The story about returning to the hotel with Natalee, and her falling out of the car, and a man wearing black, holding a wakie-talkie approached her, makes for a wonderful cover story. A simple and yet, to some a believable story. I don't for one minute believe it, but there would be those who do. They never returned with Natalee, or even returned to the Hotel. The Judge whisked his son pretty darn fast off that little Island. I really hope one day a guilty conscious will force the kid to speak out. In the meantime I hope they are living a hard, sad life.

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Re: Re: Natalee Ann Holloway
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 09:17:34 AM »
Please try to rember that the email is the consous mind Dr Hodges brakes it down from unconsious mind and it does not lie ,can't lie always tells the truth this is why I carefuly copied all revelnt parts so we the layman can understand it as best we can and than from an opinion after we have read the whole thing so please keep in mind there is much more to came from the book. :'(   >:(