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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2010, 09:41:53 AM »
Soraya O'Connell.  Age 15.
Found in a dump site south of Stratford in 1974.
Last seen at a youth camp on Fanshawe Park Road 14 August 1970.  She had planned to hitchhike from there.
A railroad runs east-west along the south side of Highway 7/8 east from Stratford.  On the west side of Stratford, this railroad angles south-west to St Mary's, then runs due south to Thorndale, the same line that Frankie Jensen and Donna Jean Awcock were found close to.
Soraya went missing from the same area Donna Jean Awcock was last seen.


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 11:32:11 AM »
Robert James Brown.  Age 12.
Robert has not been seen since walking from a youth camp in Pefferlaw to his home in Wilfrid on 3 August 1968.
In 2008 a tip was received by the York Region Police (now in charge of investigating this case) from Western Ontario (London? Police tip forwarded?) of a possible connection to missing children in the London area of Ontario.
YRP mentioned at that time, possibly searching Morning Glory Swamp, Highway #48 at Weir Sideroad.
Given a tip came from Western Ontario, and the last few posts on this thread, my suggestion would be to search between Riverview Beach Road and Lakeridge Road, south side of Highway #48, where the railroad meets a creek.
This railroad can be followed to Ingersoll where a switching station can transfer a train to Tillsonburg and Port Stanley, London and north of London along the Fanshawe Dam/Lake to Thorndale and on to Stratford.


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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2010, 04:31:29 PM »
Here are more victims, outside of the London, Ontario area, where both a railroad and either a river or creek is in close proximity to the remains.  Some may seem a stretch as far as a connection goes, but have listed them for all to see and of course comment.  They all have a thread on this site, so more details can be found there.

Patricia Lupton.  Age 12.
Found McCowan Road, between Ellesmere and Lawrence in a housing development site on 9 March 1959.
Last seen leaving home a few hours earlier.
Highway 401 did not exist then, so very little was between her and the rail yard north of Sheppard Avenue.  It's a major switching station today, do not know the extent of it's use in 1959.  A creek crosses the tracks leading into the train yard.

Lynn Harper.  Age 12.
Found Lawson's Bush, Front Road, Clinton on 11 June 1959.
Last seen at the intersection of Highway #4 and Highway #8.
A railroad runs parallel to Highway #8, before and beyond Clinton.  A track also runs south along Highway #4 towards London.  Bayfield Rive crosses both tracks.

Geraldine Pickford.  Age 41.
Found Tannery Creek, on the grounds of St Andrews College, St John's Sideroad and Yonge Street, Aurora on 19 September 1965.  Tannery Creek is a tributary of the East Holland River.
Last seen the evening before on the college grounds.
A railroad runs parallel to Yonge Street on the east side, Geraldine was found on the west side.  The distance is not very close, but one would have to know what development existed in 1965 at that location.  There was possibly an unobstructed view.

Debbie Silverman.  Age 21.
Found on a farm in a shallow grave at Concession #3 (also RR13) and Highway 7/12, Sunderland on 12 November 1978.
Last seen out with friends in Toronto and Mississauga 12 August 1978.  Her car was found at her residence in Toronto.  Her purse and panties were on the ground.
A railroad crosses the lot Debbie was found on and a creek runs parallel to it.

Lizzie Tomlinson.  Age 6.
Found at the foot of Bayview Avenue in Toronto in a rail yard on 26 May 1980.
Last seen playing in a park near her home a short distance away 24 May 1980.
There was nothing between her, the tracks and the Don River.

Veronica Kaye.  Age 18.  See Yvonne Leroux thread page 2 for information.
Found off Duffy's Lane in Caldeon on 9 October 1981.  Unsure of exact location along Duffy's Lane.
Last seen Mississauga 7 November 1980.
A railroad crosses Duffy's Lane south of Old Church Road, right after it crosses the Humber River.

A small note that Amber Carrie Potts-Jaffary, age 16, lived due north of Veronica Kaye by a couple of km's.  Amber has been missing since 5 December 1988.


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 08:48:09 AM »
Have not looked very much at where victims were taken from, but will start.  It could be relevant if the number of victims gets beyond just a few.

I don't really have a theory (just imagining a rail worker of some kind for now), just a simple list of facts for now.  Serial killers do have a method to their madness, and want reminders of some kind for each victim later on.


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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 11:08:09 AM »
Woodland encouraged me to copy these articles that I found and originally posted in the Project Angel thread under London's section for unsolved murders in Ontario - here's the original thread link:,3604.0.html

Fourth of a five-part series. Elusive killers leave cold trail for police; [AM Edition]
John Duncanson and Nick Pron TORONTO STAR. Toronto Star. Toronto, Ont.: Apr 2, 1992. pg. A.4

He was lurking in the shadows, the orange-colored plastic bag in his hand, as the perky teenager left the grocery store.

It was just after 2 on a crisp fall morning, and the London, Ont., street was deserted. There were no witnesses, and that's the way he wanted it.

Donna Jean Awcock didn't like going out alone at night. For weeks, she was troubled by a feeling something awful would happen to her.

But the 24-hour grocery store was only a block away and she was out of cigarettes.

When Carol Awcock awoke that morning and saw Donna Jean's empty bed, she knew something was wrong.

Her 17-year-old daughter had been out babysitting the night before. She always phoned home if she had to stay overnight.

The call from the police came later in the day. There was a battered body in the morgue. They thought it might be Donna Jean.

Don Awcock started trembling as he stared down at his daughter's body lying on a cold gurney. There were bruises on her body from her neck to her thighs.

Shoved deep down her throat, just barely sticking out of her mouth, was an orange-colored plastic bag, like one used to collect garbage.

Detectives believe the bag was used to silence Donna Jean's screams as she was raped and strangled.

Donna Jean wasn't the only murder victim in the London area to die that way. In three other unsolved slayings, the screams of the victims were also muzzled, wads of tissue shoved deep into their throats.

Investigators won't say if the "tissue slayings" are the work of a serial killer, but the Awcocks are convinced the man who murdered their daughter eight years ago has killed before, and will strike again.

A Star investigation into unsolved female slayings in the province over the last two decades has found there are at least four serial killers who have eluded police.

Police agencies are aware that serial killers have been operating in the province for years, but never made that public.

The Awcocks think they know their daughter's killer, a man they say stalked her and has since disappeared out west.

"I just pray they find this guy dead somewhere so another family doesn't have to go through the same hell," said the teary-eyed mother, staring at a framed portrait of her daughter, a poppy on each corner of the frame.

"I hope they catch this guy in the States. Down there they fry 'em," said the angry father.

The first two tissue slayings were in London in 1968, Jacqueline Dunleavy and Frankie Jensen. About 7 1/2 years later, Irene Gibbons was slain in her Strathroy house. Eight years would pass before Awcock's murder.

Dunleavy, the 16-year-old daughter of a London police officer, was last seen getting into a car on Jan. 9. Her partially clad body was found within hours of her disappearance.

She had been strangled with her own scarf, a wad of facial tissue shoved down her throat.

Jensen, the 9-year-old son of a furniture dealer, was abducted on his way to school on a blustery, winter day - one month later.

The little boy's body was pulled from the Thames River, where Awcock's body was found.

He had been clubbed on the side of the head with a blunt object, likely a brick. Like the murder a month before, tissue was shoved in his throat.

Gibbons, a reclusive 66-year-old woman, had just returned home from doing some banking business when she apparently answered a knock at her door.

Her body was found in the bedroom. She had been strangled with a pair of her stockings; wads of tissue were in her throat.

* * *

There have been about 160 unsolved female slayings in Ontario over the past two decades, and the scenario with many of them is the same:

The victim either vanishes off the street or is murdered in her house; the police assign dozens of investigators to the case and start a massive hunt for the culprit, confidently predicting they will soon make an arrest. But then, months later, when they have run out of leads, they turn to the public for help.

One such case is the .22-calibre killer, a suspected psychopath who shot his victims in the back of the head.

It was in the spring of 1970 when Doreen Moorby answered the front door of her home in the town of Gormley.

Standing there was a dark-haired man in his late 30s, a big- eared, swarthy type who apparently talked his way into the house to use the phone, saying his car had broken down.

Once inside, he raped the 34-year-old former nurse and then shot her three times, once in the back of the head. She died with her baby in her arms. The child wasn't hurt.

The killer then calmly picked up the shell casings and fled in a tan-colored sedan.

A massive manhunt was started by police, who feared the demented killer might strike again. They were right.

Twelve days later in nearby Palgrave, just 40 kilometres (25 miles) to the west, another former nurse, Helen Ferguson, 37, was lured from her home by a man claiming he had a sick child in his car and needed help.

Ferguson's 9-year-old son was playing in an upstairs bedroom when he heard his mother and the stranger come back into the house. Minutes later, the boy ran downstairs when he heard a burst of gunfire.

He saw a swarthy man with big ears standing over his mother's half-naked body, which was lying on the floor. She had been raped and shot in the back of the head.

The gunman stared impassively at the boy for a moment before fleeing, driving off in the same tan-colored car. Once again, he had collected the shell casings.

The dragnet intensified as police questioned more than 3,000 suspects. But the trail grew cold.

Two years later, a woman's body was found against a fence in a deserted field near Georgetown, south of Palgrave.

Police suspect Janice Montgomery, 22, was hitchhiking when she was picked up by her killer, who drove her to the lonely field where he shot her in the head with a small-calibre gun.

All the labels had been carefully removed from her clothing. No shell casings were found.

A year later, the bodies of two teenaged North York women, who thumbed a ride, were found in a deserted field in Downsview. Donna Sterne and Wendy Tedford had been shot in the back of the head.

Detectives theorized they had been killed by a deranged maniac for no apparent reason.

The string of killings then stopped. Tips came in sporadically about the .22-calibre killer, the last one two years ago. But he has never been caught.

* * *

The slayings of elderly people in the Ottawa Valley started in 1975 and ended 12 years later.

That was when the Ontario Provincial Police publicly stated they believed the murders were connected. Although they had a suspect in mind, he was never charged.

While the focus of the investigation was eastern Ontario, there have been 10 other unsolved slayings of elderly women, most of them widows, in the southwestern part of the province during that same time.

Like the killings in the Ottawa area, all the victims were at home alone when they were slain, a Star investigation has found.

Some of the women were raped, while in other cases police could find no apparent motive, but suspected robbery.

While investigators have never publicly linked any of the murders in southwestern Ontario, there are several similarities.

A common pattern was the lack of forced entry, as most of the women apparently opened their doors to their killers.

In one case, police suspect the killer may have been a man making a delivery.

Police are looking for a truck driver from a plant nursery, a possible suspect in the 1988 murder of 80-year-old Thera Dieleman of Innerkip, near London.

He was driving a flatbed truck with white lettering on the doors. It was seen parked in front of the widow's house the day she was beaten and strangled to death.

The most recent unsolved murder was that of a 63-year-old Mississauga woman, who was raped and strangled in her apartment building last fall. Police believe Muriel Holland's killer may have followed her home from a shopping trip.

* * *

He was the one that got away.

Detectives nicknamed him the "Porn Man" and privately admit they may have bungled the investigation into the suspected serial killer who operated over a three-year-period in the Port Stanley, Stratford and Tillsonburg areas.

Police had been watching the man for years; he had a long criminal record and had been in psychiatric hospitals.

They closed in on him when they started finding the body parts of one of his suspected victims, Priscilla Merle, in 1972, near Port Stanley, a small town on the shores of Lake Erie.

Merle's left arm was floating in Kettle Creek. Soon after, her upper torso was discovered near a marina in the same area.

Police believe the body of the 21-year-old woman had been cut up with a 35-centimetre (14-inch) power saw.

The separated mother of one had last been seen alive getting into a station wagon, a vehicle that resembled the one driven by the Porn Man.

Merle's death was the last in a series of murders starting in October, 1969, with the slaying of Jacqueline English, whose nude body was found floating in Big Otter Creek, near Tillsonburg.

The 15-year-old had been raped and murdered after hitchhiking home from her job as a waitress. Less than a year later, another 15- year-old, Soraya O'Connell, disappeared after hitchhiking home from a youth centre in London.

Her skeletal remains were found four years later in a garbage dump south of Stratford.

Police raided the Porn Man's home, where they made a grotesque discovery in his basement.

There were bags of feces stored in a chest, human waste he had collected for some bizarre reason. Along with the feces were pictures of naked children.

But the evidence wasn't strong enough to take to court, and he wasn't arrested.

Soon after, the Porn Man moved, and was last believed to be in the Toronto area.

In their eagerness to arrest the Porn Man, detectives now admit they may have moved in on him too soon.

"Looking back on the case, perhaps we could have played it differently. Perhaps tailed him more," said one detective.

"But one thing's for sure. After he left town . . . the killings stopped."


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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2010, 11:09:36 AM »
Unsolved murders: Are they linked?
The Toronto Star, March 30, 1992, Monday, ONTARIO EDITION, NEWS; Pg. A1/ FRONT, 1415 words, BY NICK PRON AND JOHN DUNCANSON TORONTO STAR

Over the past two decades, the murders of 160 females in Ontario remain unsolved. Some simply vanished off lonely streets, others were found mutilated.

These deaths have been portrayed by police as random incidents, not linked to each other.

But a Star investigation has discovered that at least 30 of them may have been committed by serial killers - the type of psychopaths most thought only existed in the United States.

About a dozen serial killers have been active in Ontario over the last two decades. Eight are now behind bars, although most have been convicted of just one murder, not a series of killings.

Some are applying for early release from prison - but authorities remain unaware of just how many they actually killed.

For years, police agencies across Ontario publicly denied the existence of the multiple murderers, often claiming that convicted child killer Clifford Olson is Canada's only serial killer.

But privately, it was another story.

Homicide detectives with various forces have been aware for some time that the most feared breed of killers - psychopaths who slay for their own perverse sexual gratification - have been on the prowl in Canada's most populated province, The Star found after numerous interviews with law enforcement authorities, researchers and other sources.

The existence of these killers is one of Ontario's darkest secrets, something that police investigators will discuss, but only reluctantly.

The three-month-long Star investigation also found:

There has been a serious breakdown in communication among police forces across the province, which has allowed some of the killers to continue operating.

At least one recent attempt to get Ontario police forces to share information about the murdered women ended in failure because of inter-force rivalries, disputes over investigative techniques and a general lack of awareness.

Of the eight serial killers who have been caught, most were never publicly identified as multiple murderers, getting convicted for only one or two of the slayings. Relatives of other victims were quietly told by investigators that, although they had a suspect, no charges would be laid, citing mounting costs of continuing the investigation.

In those cases, psychiatric review panels and the parole board were unaware of just how many murders the applicant for release really committed because "they were only on the books for one charge," said one source.

One police officer went to a killer's review hearings year after year, quietly reminding members of the panel just how many murders the man had really committed.

"My stamina is gone," he said, asking that his name not be used. "I just can't keep this up. It takes a lot out of you, going there year after year. I've had it."

The Star investigation uncovered at least eight serial killers in Ontario institutions; men who have killed three or more times with a "cooling off" period between each of the slayings - the FBI definition of a serial killer.

The eight, who have been caught over the past two decades, carried out an estimated 50 murders.

Most were committed to the psychiatric institutions for one or two murders each, although they had killed many others.

One detective who went to the families of other victims to explain why police wouldn't be laying charges said it all boiled down to a matter of money.

"After we got him for one, it was just too damn costly to carry on the investigation and do him for the rest," he said, adding that he wasn't happy with that outcome, but pointed out that was the way the system worked.

While some serial killers have been caught, at least four others have eluded police in Ontario, The Star investigation revealed.

They may have killed as many as 30 women in the Toronto, Ottawa, Barrie and London areas, sources say, slayings over the past 20 years that have never been solved.

Several of those cases have recently been reopened by the Ontario Provincial Police because of what one detective called some "interesting peculiarities" in the way the women died. He wouldn't elaborate.

In addition to those murders, police investigators are still puzzling over the brutal slayings of 130 other women in the province since 1970.

A list of the murders was compiled by The Star after reviewing archival material, collecting police reports and travelling to various police detachments across Ontario.

Police detectives admit they have never done a comprehensive examination of all the 130 cases to look for any similarities, the "calling cards" or the "signatures" left behind by serial killers.

In several investigations, detectives admitted they had to "start from scratch" in looking for other cases similar to their own, complaining about the lack of a central registry of cases.

Many of the cases were inactive after the investigating officers moved on to other duties, retired or quit the force. Spokespersons for the various forces maintain the murder cases remain open, but admit with each passing year the chances of ever making an arrest are slim.

Aside from those cases, there are dozens of other women officially listed as missing on police records, some of whom police suspect were murdered, but their bodies have never been found.

The majority of the 160 murders - 84 slayings - happened during two distinctive cycles, five-year periods at the beginning of the 1970s and 1980s. One investigator called the two waves the "killing seasons."

During the first cycle, the majority of the victims were between 10 and 17 years of age, according to a special computer run done for The Star by the Law Enforcement Program of Statistics Canada.

In the second cycle, the ages of the victims rose, and most of those killed were between 18 and 29.

The majority of the women killed since 1970 were single, and most were either strangled or beaten to death, the statistics show.

During that time, 25 of the victims were older than 60, and most of them - 19 - were widows.

Thirteen of the victims were children, 10 years of age and under.

Although police investigators in Ontario have known about the serial killers, talking about it publicly makes them uncomfortable.

Some investigators admit that they're embarrassed by the lack of communication between forces about murder cases, which has hindered investigations.

Then there's the fear factor.

"Police forces don't like to talk about serial killers because it is a very disturbing perception," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Inspector Ron MacKay, head of the force's Violent Crime Analysis Section in Ottawa.

"You don't want to go around panicking people . . . but they (serial killers) are out there, and all the police forces are very well aware of them," he said.

"It's a chilling thought to think that these types of people are on the streets," said Halton Region police Inspector John Van Der Lelie. "But to deny their existence is like sticking your head in the sand."

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has stated there are as many as 35 serial killers on the loose in the United States. Several of the American killers have made forays into Ontario, sources say.

Candace Skrapec has interviewed six jailed serial killers in Canada - three in Ontario - for her doctoral dissertation at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

Skrapec said she had a tough time getting research funds for her project because few people believed that there were any serial killers in Canada.

"There isn't any attention paid or publicity given to serial killers mainly because of a lack of resources in Canada to identify the problem," she said.

The men she interviewed have never been identified as serial killers because they had been jailed for only one murder each - a recurring pattern in numerous homicide cases reviewed by The Star.

"If these were Bay St. businessmen getting knocked off, people would be screaming for a royal commission," said Maria Crawford, who has researched nearly 1,000 female homicides in Ontario since 1974 for a provincial government report soon to be released.

While her report focuses on domestic slayings, she said she noticed disturbing similarities in some of the unsolved murders - the "stranger to stranger" homicides. She couldn't discuss any details because of restrictions imposed on her under the provincial Freedom of Information Act.


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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2010, 11:11:42 AM »
The Toronto Star

March 31, 1992, Tuesday, AM

Police test computer to investigate murders
By John Duncanson and Nick Pron Toronto Star
Pg. A2

Canada's federal police force is setting up an American-style system for tracking serial killers in this country, The Star has learned.

For the past two years, the RCMP has been quietly developing a computerized network code-named VICLAS (Violent Criminal Linkage Analysis System) that will link police forces across the country in the hunt for psychopathic killers.

The super computer will store and analyze hundreds of unsolved murders across the nation in a centralized data base, looking for the trends and similarities that are the calling cards of a serial killer.

The system is modelled after the Federal Bureau of Investigation's VICAP (Violent Criminal Apprehension Program) computer system, which was featured in the movie The Silence of the Lambs.

"We're taking what we've learned from VICAP and other American systems, incorporating the best from each," said RCMP Inspector Ron MacKay, who is spearheading the project from the force's headquarters in Ottawa, along with Corporal Greg Johnson.

Once a pattern between murders is spotted by the computer, the Mounties will advise the various forces of their findings, suggesting they should be forming a task force to find the culprit. The actual investigation will be done by the respective forces, MacKay said.

The Mounties have already entered about 1,000 homicide cases in their data base from the past 20 years, Johnson said. They eventually hope to have about 7,000 cases.

Although police forces in Ontario have publicly denied the existence of serial killers for years, they have been working closely behind the scenes with the Mounties in developing the proposed tracking system.

The plan will go to senior RCMP officials for approval next month. But whether it gets off the ground depends on two key factors: funding and co-operation among the various forces.

In Ontario, a three-month Star investigation found that the absence of a centralized data bank on unsolved murders - along with a lack of communication between police forces - has hampered the hunt for the serial killers over the past two decades.

While eight serial killers have been caught in Ontario, at least four others have eluded police, The Star investigation found.

Although police agencies in Ontario have been aware of the serial killers for some time, it was only four years ago that attempts were made to start an an organized program to track them down.

The plan was to set up a central registry of unsolved murder cases, focusing mainly on female homicides. But the project failed miserably, numerous investigators candidly admit.

One investigator said the project just wasn't marketed properly, and not enough police officers even knew about it.

"The system just won't work if officers aren't adding their cases to it, or checking the file for similar-type murders," said a detective with one regional Ontario force.

Two years ago, the plan to establish a central registry was revived as the number of unsolved female homicides in the province climbed to more than 160.

"It was pretty obvious that something was going on in the province," said one senior officer with the OPP.

"There were just too many women being grabbed off the streets and getting murdered."

Investigators with the various forces realized they had to put aside their petty squabblings and work out a co-ordinated strategy to track the killers.

Establishing a national link between the various forces is crucial because some killers are drifters, MacKay said.

"The bad guys don't respect the borders," he said, adding the Canadian system will be hooked up with its counterpart in the U.S.

One convicted American serial killer who may have operated in Canada is Henry Lee Lucas, who claimed to have killed about a dozen people in Ontario between 1975 and 1983.

OPP investigators questioned Lucas about the slayings and later decided his claims were likely exaggerated. But they could not rule out the possibility he may have committed some murders in Ontario.

There were at least 35 unsolved female slayings in the province during the seven-year period when Lucas claimed to be in Canada, The Star investigation found.

When police profile serial killers they often look at transients, long-haul truckers and people who travel regularly between Canada and the U.S., such as carnival workers, investigators say.

One drifter convicted of murders in Calgary and Toronto is under investigation for three other murders in the Timmins and North Bay area.

But Danny Wood, now serving a life sentence in a Saskatchewan penitentiary, has refused to talk to investigators about the other murders: Julie Fortier, 18, of New Liskeard; Micheline St. Amour, 20, of North Bay; Sharon McCafferty, 32, of Timmins.

Another serial killer who was captured in Ontario travelled across the country in a camper van, killing his last victim at a Midland-area camp site.

Many of the unsolved slayings in Ontario reviewed by The Star took place near major thoroughfares, such as Highway 401 and 400.

In the slaying two years ago of university student Lynda Shaw, investigators looked for similar murders in at least five American states, according to detectives.

One theory investigators looked at in the mutilation murder of the 21-year-old Huttonville woman was that the killer may have been a drifter who regularly travelled along Highway 401, targeting her when she stopped at a restaurant on the 401.

Serial killers are known to dump the bodies of their victims hundreds of miles from where they abduct them, often stripping them of clothing or any identification to hamper the later investigation.

Some of Ontario's Jane Doe murders could be the work of serial killers, investigators believe.

Police have not been able to identify seven women whose bodies have been found dumped near highways around Ontario since 1970, The Star investigation found.


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2011, 03:29:10 AM »
Desespere, that is really odd about the 9th. i wonder what the significance is of that. According to that article Dunleavy, Jensen, Gibbons, and Awcock (among others, I'm sure) were all murdered by the same individual. If you have the relevant dates handy - when each went missing, and when they were found - it might be a thought just to check and see which days of the week these events came to pass. Beginning, end of, in the middle, or all over the place? Just curious if anything else might match up, or if there could be additional similarities between the more obvious 'tissue slayings' and other, less blatantly related cases.


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2011, 10:38:49 AM »
Good day everyone,

This is my first post on here, after spending countless hours pouring over the information on this web site.

I noticed that there has been extensive discussion regarding the link of Rail Road tracks to a number of homicides.  Here is my input:

1.  People, despite their differences and uniqueness have common traits, thoughts and actions.  Of these commonalities, most people have the desire to not be disturbed doing something they enjoy, don't want to get caught doing something wrong, or something they know that other people will adamantly object to, and finally are generally lazy (not necessarily in a bad way). 

2.  So, when it comes to the rail road connection, we must look at these connections objectively.  Undoubtedly, when it comes to the old investigation adage that 'There is no such thing as coincidence' there is much truth to this, however, we must not loose sight of objectivity. 

3.  That being said, perhaps there is a possibility that the reason for the use of rail roads is very simple.  Rail roads often provide quick and easy access to remote or concealed areas, such as forests where one may secret away a crime or evidence thereof (ie a murder victim).  Someone touch briefly on this view, by attributing the possibility of loud noise to conceal the crime itself.

4.  I think the thing is to view everything known as a chain, and factors of the crime as links in the chain.  For instance, how the crime was committed, victim characteristics and location.  Location on it's own should be viewed as a link in a large chain as opposed to a large link in a small chain.

Great observations though, I think this website and it's membership are doing great work and I don't want my opinion to seem that I am trying to detract from that, simply trying to play a devil's advocate of sorts to develop a wider spectrum of view.


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2011, 01:01:51 PM »
I  agree with your observations gunit. I think that we need to seperate into several categories to see if within these victims more patterns emerge - such as victimology, the manner of homicide, whether rape or molestation was or was not included, how long the victims were missing before found and with that, how long the body lain undiscovered. (For example, some perps will keep the victim either alive to "play with" for a time, or store their body until the smell becomes unbearable).
SAP has a great point about the noise concealing BUT, you'd also hear one approaching far enough away to hide too.
Jobo's thought about laziness - another great point - its a fast "clean" way to get out of the way into the bush...


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Re: Comparing MOs in Canada - Unsolved
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2011, 11:07:56 PM »
Interesting observations and all quite true IMO. Railroads hold a certain fascination for some too in ways most of us don't get. The old hobo lifestyle centered around rail lines but not everyone was there for the convenience of the free ride. Listen to the sounds of that long haunting old whistle long enough and it gets into your psych. There are more than one stories of serial killers down in the US and even over in Russia who used the rail lines exclusively to carry out their deeds. It isn't as common anymore but people do still "ride the rails" today too. Pretty anonymous way of travel with few witnesses.

But all those other connections you are speaking of are probably of more importance than just looking at the rail road aspects. All you had to do was live around a rail line for a period of time or follow one outside almost any town to realize the potential as per all of the above posts if that was your intent. Never did like staying in hotels or motels along where the trains passed real close by.   :P

I'm sure Admin wouldn't mind if someone devised a file system to break down the MO's into additional categories. You almost get into a profiling thing from there when certain common attributes of crimes identify and get linked to common characteristics of the perps.
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