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Author Topic: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS  (Read 69507 times)

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
Lost, I agree. But what disturbed me about the newscast was that I thought that it was confirmed that she had been at a the flower shop after she left work, but that is not the case according to the reporter. So this leaves the last siting of her when she walked out the door at CT. It was also noted by the reporter that the police have their theories as to what happened to her, well I would say whatever this theory is, they should share it with the public after all this time. I mean, if they think they know something that could awaken the public up, tell it, I mean it is 20 years since it happened. I go along with you Lost, too much area to cover. I believe in my heart that someone just grabbed her quickly and put her in a van or something, because how else could she just disappear. It disturbed me that the reporter said the police have their theory, well it is time they told us what that theory is or a portion of what they feel happened. That is all I have to say on this and hope that someone will come forward and tell what happened to Kimberly. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2009, 04:35:33 PM »
right cape; according to the news cast, the last place she was seen seems to be going out the back door from work - and the boss let her go early that day (for whatever reason) - can't help but think someone was waiting outside the back door or thereabouts...as though it was planned.  The news cast didn't say why she was leaving work early.
I agree! after 20 years of no solve, why not throw out all the facts and give the public, or especially anyone who worked with or around her, a chance to possibly recall something that may not yet have been reported to investigators.

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2009, 04:39:15 PM »
Lost, you and I are thinking on the same lines. If there is a theory, let it out because so much time has elapsed it just may be the big lead that brings someone forward with information about Kimberly. ??? ??? ??? ???

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 04:16:46 PM »
Your guy is Murrin. Why would he tell me he knew what happend to her? BTW I am the person that sent the message about Murrin. I wish I knew a way to prove what he said but I don't. I've been around Murrin enough to KNOW that he is a scumbag. But as a RCMP rat he is protected so no I don't think he will ever be held responsible for anything, let alone murder. I knew him in jail and on the street. I'm happy I made it away from him when I did. He was older than me and I always felt weird around him. Now I'm just glad I'm still alive. R.I.P. Kimberly.

And to the cop that's on the case. Check dates. Check with Springhill Instution if he was there when I said he was. Check and see if any (guards) remember that poster in the gym. Trophy case. Check and see where he was on Aug. 12,1989. I bet you anything he was in or near Halifax.

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 04:53:34 PM »
I don't doubt you either, problem is as we have seen in multiple other cases involving this guy, how do you get around his RCMP protection? We would all like to believe that when kids are being killed, that would trump Murrin's protection status. It's sort of an eye opener to find that ain't so. Not only that, Murrin now appears to be on the fast track to a huge payoff from the RCMP over the Mindy Tran case where his RCMP handler ordered the DNA evidence to be washed from the little girls clothes.

Many years ago we all traded in our guns and vigilate justice for a fair government run justice system. If the government has reneged on their part of the deal, does that not render the rest null and void. What other options are there? Even the RCMP rank and file members know that something stinks to high heaven about this guy..In frustration, one former cop was once said to have remarked, maybe someone should wrap a headband around a voodoo doll and stick a few pins through it..

 

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2009, 11:47:26 PM »
What else can you do Iwannahelp? I'd write it out and send a copy on to Kimberly's family. They are the only ones who could possibly stir up some action..I know that others are not in favour of doing that for various reasons but what else can you do?? Maybe some others will have some suggestions.

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2009, 02:01:57 PM »
I recently heard or read somewhere that Kimberly's father was a member of the RCMP. Anyone recall or have a link to that?

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2009, 08:53:49 PM »
D1, yes, her father was a retired RCMP officer and has since passed away. When the newscast was done this summer, her sister was on there and spoke of hoping that some day they would find out what happened to Kimberly.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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I can't help to think about Kimberly when we are talking about Donna O'Rielly gone missing. Kimberly went missing in broad daylight on an August afternoon in the summer time. It was a total mystery then and it still is a mystery today. There were false reports of sighting of Kimberly and such. There was also someone that said she was buried in an area in the park in Halifax, they dug and dug, nothing. No trace of Kimberly has ever been found. And when we speak about Donna, it almost seems like the same thing. Kimberly left her job at Canadian Tire and disappeared in the bright day of summer. Now Donna has gone missing and her disappearance was in the early evening, even though it was dark, nobody saw anything. These two cases kind of bear a resemblance. Kimberly was never seen again and nobody knows what happened to her. Donna is still missing and everyone prays that she is found. Just mind boggling how these two females disappeared off the face of the earth. ??? ??? ??? ???

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Please read this site folks.....
It seems the police in Halifax, not only know who murdered Kimberly McAndrew, but they are deliberately hiding it.

http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/dead-wrong-halifaxs-unsolved-murders/Content?oid=1403387

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At 4:20pm on Saturday, August 12, 1989, Kimberly McAndrew, a 19-year-old cashier at the Quinpool Canadian Tire store, punched off work, walked into the parking lot and...disappeared.

Tom Martin was a young undercover drug squad officer at the time, but he---like virtually everyone else on the force---pitched in during the investigation's early stages, in part because McAndrew, like MacCullough, was a pure victim and, in part, because her father, Cyril, was a Mountie, a fellow cop.

It was an RCMP informant who first convinced investigators Kimberly had been abducted by pimps. While the tip had to be pursued, Martin says, with the benefit of hindsight and experience, it's clear investigators fixed on it to the exclusion of other possibilities. "Investigation 101. Don't believe your informant too much."

Or well-meaning, supposed eyewitnesses. One woman insisted she'd seen Kim in a Penhorn Mall flower shop the day she disappeared. That tip became so embedded in the investigation it's still on the department's website as her last sighting.

Martin says that doesn't make sense but believing it again kept early investigators from considering other possibilities.

In 2004, when Martin finally officially got the McAndrew cold case file--- "I'd been working it anyway; it was the case everyone wanted to solve"---his first step was to sit down with Kim's family. "Let's go back to square one," he told them.

He wanted to know everything about Kim, from her favourite singer (Bryan Adams) to the fact she was still a small-town girl so nervous of the big city she would rather go home to her parents in Parrsboro than stay overnight alone in the Halifax apartment she shared with her sister.

"This was not a girl who was going to go on a safari to Dartmouth," Martin says. Besides, if she wanted to buy flowers---it was her boyfriend's birthday---there was a flower shop along the most logical route from work to her apartment. "My instincts and experience tell me Kim never got out of that parking lot," Martin says today.

But that raises a question. Given Kim's skittishness, wouldn't she have screamed if someone had tried to abduct her in a parking lot filled with Saturday afternoon shoppers?

She would have. Unless...

In October 1997, police in Nanaimo, BC---following up on complaints that a man driving a Pontiac Grand Am with Nova Scotia licence plates had been posing as a police officer to lure young girls into his car---arrested former Halifax resident Andrew Paul Johnson. They found a developmentally challenged 20-year-old woman locked in his car, along with what police described as a rape kit: pornographic magazines, a Halloween mask, handcuffs, a meat cleaver, lubricating gel and packing tape.

Halifax police had been looking for Johnson, too. In 1992, he had pleaded guilty to confining and sexually assaulting his Halifax girlfriend. In 1997, he'd been caught masturbating in his car while watching girls at play in Hammonds Plains. There was a warrant for his arrest for harassing a 12-year-old Whites Lake girl while posing as a teen fashion representative. And, shortly before turning up in BC, he had disappeared from a Dartmouth sexual offender treatment program---but not before turning in a chilling assignment. Psychiatrist Joseph Gabriel asked participants in the program to write an essay about a sexual assault from the point of view of its victim.

Johnson had written his about the rape and murder of Kimberly McAndrew.

Gabriel notified the Halifax police, who quickly set up a task force to investigate. Although Martin---busy with several other investigations---wasn't directly involved with that investigation, he says its members did a "phenomenal job" putting together the puzzle pieces of Johnson's life.

Intriguingly, at the time of Kimberly's disappearance, the telephone directory lists Johnson's girlfriend as living in an apartment in a complex across from the Canadian Tire parking lot. "If someone had identified himself to Kim as a police officer," Martin suggests today, "she---being the daughter of a police officer---might have gone with him."

The task force uncovered other evidence in its investigation, too---including some which linked Johnson to other unsolved murders in Halifax.

On January 1, 1992, a 22-year-old Vancouver woman named Andrea King had arrived at the Halifax International Airport with dreams of enrolling at Dalhousie Law School...and disappeared. Her body was found nearly a year later. During their investigation of Johnson, police found Andrea's eye shadow compact.

Police sent several pieces of evidence for DNA testing, but the science wasn't yet sophisticated enough to give them what they needed to charge Johnson.

Confronted with what they knew, however, investigators hoped Johnson might confess. By that point, Johnson, who'd pleaded guilty to abduction charges in the Nanaimo case, was facing a dangerous offender hearing that could---and did---put him behind bars indefinitely. Johnson refused to talk to the Halifax investigators.

In May 2001, days after a court in BC declared Johnson a dangerous offender, HRP disbanded its task force, without explanation---and without laying any charges. Why?

Three years later, when Martin---now officially a member of the cold case unit---began his back-to-square-one re-examination of the McAndrew file, he went looking for a piece of DNA evidence he knew the task force had collected. Martin hoped advances in testing procedures might produce a breakthrough. But the evidence was missing. He shakes his head. "No one could find it."

He also asked the RCMP for a copy of the file from the "unusual" parallel investigation it had run into McAndrew's disappearance. "I asked for it, but I never got it." He doesn't know why---"I didn't just ask once"---but believes there were turf wars left over from when the local major crimes units merged with the Mounties' squad after municipal amalgamation in 1996. "Whatever," Martin says. "I never did get the file."

"From where I sit, in charge of operational policing," Chris McNeil begins, "one unsolved murder is too many for me." Though he says he isn't familiar with the clearance rate statistics I'd asked him about, the city's deputy police chief says his force's clearance rate for the past two years---10 of 14 homicides in 2007-08---is a "very respectable" 70 percent.

"There's always going to be some ex-somebody telling me how I should do my job better," he says of Martin's criticisms. "But some of the very cases you're talking about happened at the heyday of when Tommy and other very experienced investigators were here. They didn't solve those cases."

And to Martin's point that the department has lost a lot of experienced investigators in recent years, McNeil sees it as a positive. "We're a younger force today. There's a whole new energy, and people are getting opportunities that weren't available to me as a young officer. And now we've lived through that period of transition. I have a lot of young but very experienced investigators.

He says he's "not one to look back with rose-coloured glasses. We will always have unsolved homicides." Many involve bad guys killing bad guys, and investigators can't break that subculture's code of silence. Or investigators may be hobbled by "procedural protections" built into the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. "Things that were done 20 years ago couldn't be done today." While McNeil doesn't dispute the legitimacy of some of those new protections, the result is that solving cases has become "10-fold" more complex than before.

McNeil says financial incentives---the province is offering up to $50,000 for useful information in a number of cases, including MacCullough and McAndrew---provide investigators with "another tool" but, he adds, "the reward system has not led us to solve a single serious crime so far."

Neither, in truth, has the force's cold case unit. Unveiled amid much fanfare in 2000, the five-member squad was initially going to focus on 15 homicides and eight missing persons cases, including McAndrew. Today, its murder caseload has more than doubled to 34---now including MacCullough---but no one will say how many officers are assigned to it. "We don't give information on our deployment numbers," HRP spokesperson Brian Palmeter told me. Neither will the department indicate the unit's budget.

Tom Martin suspects that may be because there's no one besides sergeant Jeff Clark, the officer nominally in charge, minding the store. "You need to go out and pound the pavement," he says. "Re-interview. Re-think. That's how you solve cases. It's about results. To my knowledge, the cold case unit has not laid one single criminal charge in nine years. To me, that's unacceptable."

For his part, McNeil says the public may simply expect too much from cold case units. "I call it the CSI factor. People think you find a piece of forensic evidence and, 40 minutes later, case solved. There's no panacea like that." Even if a cold case investigator finds new evidence worth pursuing, he adds, the department then has to put together a "resource-intense" task force like those in the MacCullough and McAndrew cases.

"There's always a challenge deciding which ones you work on and which ones...there's no point in pulling off the shelf," McNeil acknowledges. "It's not like you're ever guaranteed results but I have to believe there's something here that can be pursued and that there's a likelihood that this is going to produce results." Or else?
OK, boys...Pack it up...Back to what you were doing...We're done here...

When I ask Tom Martin about McNeil's argument that some of what are today's unsolved murders occurred on his watch, Martin is quick to fire back. "Investigators," he says, "can only do what their bosses let them do. Investigators didn't shut down the MacCullough investigation. The deputy chief did."

As for being an ex-somebody, Martin says, "I'm an ex-somebody with experience."

He says McNeil is a "micro-manager" who makes critical decisions about cases "even though he has never been involved in a major investigation himself." Martin adds that other key players in the chain of command---superintendent Mike Burns and staff sergeant Frank Chambers---have "little or no" investigative experience either. He shakes his head. "These are the bosses makings the decisions on these cases."

One more example. On January 6, 2003, 61-year-old businessman Larry Rhynold died during a mysterious fire in what news accounts at the time described as his "expensive, plantation-style home" in the city's south end. Rhynold, who had been through a messy divorce, faced myriad "financial, legal and personal troubles." Days before the fire, friends say, he'd been beaten up by two men outside his own home. Within days, fire investigators concluded the blaze had been deliberately set.

After weeks of on-scene investigation, witness interviews and forensic analysis, police investigators ruled the incident a homicide. The brass disagreed.

"I argued with staff sergeant Frank Chambers for weeks trying to prove to him that this was a homicide," Martin says. "The department's policy is that every death is to be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise. I was just trying to convince my boss to follow the department's own policy. In my career, I don't recall Chambers ever being the lead investigator in a homicide case or even being assigned a homicide case. But he was my boss."

Eventually, Martin says, he did win his point and Rhynold's death was designated as a homicide. Shortly after he left the department, however, the case disappeared from the list of murders. Not listing it as a murder, of course, makes the department's clearance numbers look better.

Why is Tom Martin saying all this now? He says he has nothing to gain by going public, but "I have spent too many years sitting with the families of murder victims promising them we would do all we could to solve their case, and that's not happening. The numbers of unsolved just keep getting higher."

Map of Halifax's Unsolved Murders

Forty-eight. Plus Kimberly McAndrew... Plus Larry Rhynold... And getting higher.

View Unsolved Murders in Halifax in a larger map

Map data culled from the Department of Justice's Major Unsolved Crimes page and Halifax Regional Police Force's Major Unsolved Crime page. Have a tip on any of these cases? Send it to The Coast or contact Integrated HRP/RCMP Major Crime Unit at (902) 490-5333.

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http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/dead-wrong-halifaxs-unsolved-murders/Content?oid=1403387

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Outrageous!!
and with Andrea King also being noted.. Whats up??
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?action=post;topic=2075.15;num_replies=24

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iwish; her family knew this, I would expect they'd hire a PI to run the license plate.  I hope the witness gave a statement to the family.  If not, they should track him down and ask him to write and sign one.  Then they could lay private charges.  I realize of course, the POI, being a person (person of influence) what a co-incidence! , that's the only way to go.

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Maybe the family should hire a lawyer to dig into this. It is something that should have been investigated.

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2010, 07:13:06 AM »
maybe we should send her a message and see if she will look at it. Maybe just the publicity alone would be helpful.

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Re: Kimberly Ann McAndrew - August 12, 1989 - Age 19 - Missing - Halifax, NS
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2010, 12:34:59 PM »
That is the first time I ever heard that story, IWish. I certainly would be going to the police right now with that information, if this person is still available to do so. This is quite shocking news and certainly because of the person being identified. Maybe it was checked out and this person was identified and it wasn't Kimberly. But if the witness that saw all this was upset by it and knew the name of the individual, I dare say it would not deter me from going to the media with this information. I would go to police, RCMP and anyone else that would listen, even the Crown Prosecutor, but be damned if I would not tell on this person, especially if the person who was unconscious was not identified. I wish I knew the initials of the person you are speaking of, because I do know of someone who has been in the news for sexual interference and I know of someone that there was an attempted sexual assault, the same man. He was also from the Halifax area and it could very well have been him. If you know anything about his initials, you do not have to name him, but I will know by the initials. Please PM me on this if you know his initials. :o :o :o :o