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Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« on: April 08, 2008, 12:42:48 AM »
Allan Dwayne Schoenborn, aged 40, is a suspect named in the brutal slayings of Kaitlynn (aged 10), Max (aged 8) and Cordon (aged 4) Schoenborn in Merritt BC on Sunday afternoon. He has a violent criminal past and is presumed mentally ill. He was watching his children on Sunday while their mother was out doing errands, and has not been seen since. Police are looking for Schoenborn currently. Anyone who knows his whereabouts, or has any information about Mr. Schoenborn, should contact the police, without approaching the suspect, as he is presumed mentally ill, and is violent. Could be travelling with his dog, a german-shepherd/retriever cross, named Van Gogh.

For pictures of Schoenborn, go to...
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/04/07/merritt-deaths.html

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 01:33:14 AM »
 :'( :'( :'(

This guy is one dangerous dude. He has a record, and now is suspected of killing 3 kids, of his own, or his wifes. I will never forget that man's face, ever! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 03:58:35 AM »
They're his own children!!! You're right, he is one dangerous dude! I think there's a cure for people like him (if he did it).... why oh why doesn't canada have the death penalty?

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 12:08:57 AM »
He also raped or sexually assulted a woman in BC. YOu'd think this guy was the luckiest man in the world since he kept getting out of jail. I remember at 17 the Harris County Jail in houston kept me locked up over the weekend on $100 bail over unpaid tickets.

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 03:33:28 AM »
Arrested 3 times in the past week! Why was he walking around???

By NICKI THOMAS, SUN MEDIA
   

The investigation into the slaying of three young children in British Columbia over the weekend isn't going to play out like an episode of CSI, police said yesterday.

"Homicide investigations are very different from one to another and are extremely complex. These types of investigations are not as they appear on television, where they are solved within 60 minutes," RCMP spokesman Const. Annie Linteau said in a written statement.

Linteau asked the public for their patience and support and offered the assurance that police "are exploring all avenues of investigation, not discarding any possible scenarios and pulling all stops."

On Sunday, police were called to a mobile home in Merritt, 991 km southwest of Edmonton, where they found the bodies of Kaitlynne, Max and Cordon Schoenborn, aged 10, eight and five.

A manhunt is underway for the chidren's father, Allan Dwayne Schoenborn, 40, who was caring for the kids while their mother was out. When she returned home, the children were dead and Schoenborn was gone.

Police named Schoenborn as a suspect on Monday but have not issued an arrest warrant for him. Linteau said evidence needs to be submitted to court before they can request a warrant.

On Monday, RCMP in B.C. asked Albertans to keep an eye out for Schoenborn, who is considered mentally disturbed.

Police authorities outside of British Columbia cannot formally arrest Schoenborn until Merritt RCMP obtain a Canada-wide arrest warrant.

It was unclear if Mounties had issued or applied for a national arrest warrant for Schoenborn last night.

"But we can certainly detain him," said a source with the Edmonton Police Service. "Police services have the authority to do that, after which they would contact Merritt RCMP.

"The onus would be on Merritt to then make an application for the proper warrant, after which a suspect could be arrested."

Since the killings, it's been revealed that Schoenborn was arrested in Vancouver last May on charges of sexual assault and uttering threats against a woman, according to court documents.

Since the charges were dropped, little could have been done to keep him locked up, said University of Alberta law professor Sanjeev Anand.

"In terms of relying on charges to curtail his liberty, the only thing the justice system can do is rely on convictions or pending charges. And if they've been stayed, they're of no relevance," he said.

But in just the last week, Schoenborn was arrested in Merritt three times: once on an outstanding warrant for driving while prohibited, once for intoxication and again at the local elementary school for uttering threats.

He was arrested over the school incident last Thursday and released that evening over the objections of the Crown.

The school where three murdered children attended in Merritt, B.C., will be open tomorrow for the first time since their deaths.

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 03:37:17 PM »
The charges were thrown out on the sexual assault, which makes me wonder, either a) the assault was not an assault at all, just a way of getting back at someone (I've seen MANY cases like that), or b) there was not enough evidence... either way, he's seriously ill and needs to be caught, however...I surmise that this will end one of two ways...

1) they'll locate Mr.Schoenborn and he'll cause a disturbance enough that the RCMP will be forced to use force that will potentially kill him, or 2) he'll do himself in and RCMP/someone will happen upon his body

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 04:37:38 PM »
Knowing the nature of the mental illness would be very helpful. I don't feel pity for people that kill, but I do believe in the McNaughton principles when they're applicable.

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 05:42:19 PM »


There are so many mental illness, plus duel diagnoses, and the catch all of schizophrenia, or "mood Dis order, as well as bi polar, or manic, autism, depressin you name it. The human mind can be easily fractured, but often treated with drugs.

I know in my family, ( mother's side), my kid bro had schizophrenia, with audio, visual hallucinations, as well a delusional. He was also genius. It hit me hard, as I loved him so, and my sons loved him. He has passed under mysterious circumstances. I understand there is also autism, and depression.

The man who killed his kids, appears to me, to have some form of illness, but that is looking at his picture, and that is zilch. He looks like a man, who did a lot of drugs, sporadic, and un able to hold his anger back.

What he did, if it was him, was dispicable, horrific, and horrendous, and I don't understand "why". He should of been under Doctor's care, and not left a timebomb on the streets. He may suicide by cop, or be hiding out in some old shack.Waiting. I do not feel sorry for him, but am sorry that he did this crime, while it was un necessary.
Allan Dwayne Schoenborn, 40,if you read this, please turn your self in. Try pull your self together, and phone the cops. They can meet you, and you will be taken quietly.You can help in solving this crime, whether you in fact did it, or someone else did.... :'( ??? :'(


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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2008, 06:21:10 PM »


In Plain words, what are the Mc Naughton Principles again? Some thing to do with not being of right mind? Similar to post partum depression? I better look it up.

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 10:25:57 AM »
Well he obviously is not mentally ill to the point he does not know right from wrong since he is running from the consequences. I think this guy is just a real angry out of control kook nut.

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 12:25:00 PM »
Not necessarily the case, Des. He could be on the run because he's scared, too. We don't know, that's the thing, and to assume anything, puts us at greater risk, don't you think? I want him caught, just as badly as everyone else does, and I am in NO WAY defending his actions (IF it was him)... but I do want it noted that, even when one is mentally ill, there are moments where clarity is at its best, right? furthermore, Andrea Yates, when she drowned ALL of her children, firmly believed that she was doing the best thing for all of them. How do we know what was circulating in this man's brain? hm? we don't. Seriously, if you look at the "big picture" you have... a family broken up, the mom had a restraining order on the father (and yet he was there?), you've got a man who's down & out, no job, etc... we KNOW he has a history of violence and criminal activity, and then the 3 arrests last week... how do we know he didn't just "snap" and think to himself "The kids are better off dead than living like this?" - we don't have all the facts, and, if we go by the Merritt Town Hall meetings, we won't have the facts, until the Mom starts talking and they find Mr. Schoenborn. I think we're all so caught up in the tragedy that we can't see the forest for the trees, here... He needs to be caught!

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2008, 02:25:57 PM »
We don't know what was in this man's brain at the time, (perhaps he DID  think the kids would be better off dead) but at this time I think it is completely irrelevant.  After he is safely behind bars the proper authorities can decide that. Whether he is mentally ill or on drugs really doesn't matter at this time, what matters is finding him and bringing him in. As far as Andrea Yates goes, yes she was mentally ill at the time, or as they have said she had been suffering from post partum depression. She did however not run away but rather phoned her husband at work.  The fact that he ran and now continues to hide from authorities says to me that he has some understanding (if in fact he is even alive at this point).

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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2008, 05:56:52 PM »


I wonder, since it was said he may come here, what I would do if I spotted him, and NO telephone around. I deal with crises, but a guy like this would be a challenge, for sure. I think till I get to a telephone, and dial 911.

I am easy to talk to, always have been.But my reaction, would be to play the duck, and keep on my way.Until I could get help.Those children deserves answers, as well as the mom.

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2008, 06:22:05 PM »
The Waiting Game::::
How long will this last? It is possible he has holed up with relatives, or even has moved into a vacant camp.ON the run could coneivably last a long while. ??? >:( ??? >:( >:( >:(

 By KEVIN CRUSH, SUN MEDIA

Nadine Collins wipes away tears while speaking with reporters with her daughter Coralyn, 4, by her side outside a mobile home in Merritt, B.C. where three young children were found dead inside, Monday, April 7, 2008. Coralyn was a classmate with the youngest of the three children killed. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Richard Lam

A former Edmonton woman with ties to the eldest of three children found massacred in their Merritt, B.C., home says horrified residents are gripped with fear the killer will emerge once the police presence cools.

Police and security continue to patrol the grounds of Diamond Vale elementary school and everyone is watching over their shoulders, says Nadine Collins, 37.

?One of the biggest fears we have right now is that the minute the police and the security are gone out of the school, this guy will come back in and do something.?

That fear has even turned to anger as residents try to understand why the police didn?t start a manhunt until 21 hours after discovering the bodies of the three children believed to have been killed by their father, Allan Dwayne Schoenborn, 40.

?For our community, maybe the dad did this ? probably ? but why aren?t you (police) looking for him? What about the rest of us? Typically, people who would do this wouldn?t stick around, but what if he did?? said Collins, who left Edmonton 20 years ago.

Schoenborn had been banned from the school after making threats and had three run-ins with Merritt RCMP in the week before the killings.
   

On Sunday, police were called to a mobile home in Merritt, 991 km southwest of Edmonton, where they found the bodies of Kaitlynne, Max and Cordon Schoenborn, aged 10, eight and five. Their bodies had been discovered by their mother, who had left them in the care of their father while she ran an errand.

Collins said her nine-year-old niece Kendra ? who lives with her ? was one of little Kaitlynne?s closest friends. Their house is just three blocks away from the crime scene.

Kaitlynne celebrated her 10th birthday last Friday and Kendra, her Grade 4 classmate, was the only person at the party.

On the day of the killings, her son, Cooper, was out riding his bicycle when her husband, Richard, heard about the massacre while outside talking to the neighbours who had a police scanner.

?He came in white as a ghost saying something bad had happened and we had to get Cooper,? said Collins.

They gathered the kids and brought them in the house, fearing the killer might still be around. They didn?t tell the children what happened until hours later.

?Kendra took it pretty hard. She cried. She really cried,? said Collins. Kendra broke down again on Tuesday when the school reopened. She found in her desk a library book Kaitlynne had loaned her and told her to read before returning it to the library.

When she broke down, her teacher told her to take whatever time she needed. ?She went and read the book and was able to go back into the class and felt better.?

The school has been trying to help the kids, parents and teachers, said Collins.

A shrine has been set up for the three slain children for the students to contribute cards and well wishes to. The students are also working on a book for the Schoenborns? mother, with pictures, stories and poems for her.

Collins said the attitude of police and security at the school has also been great, with authorities adopting fun and cheerful demeanors, rather than keeping solemn guard over them.



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Re: Manhunt for suspect in slayings of 3 children
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 11:29:09 PM »
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children found massacred in their Merritt, B.C

Does that mean it was a violent death?

And good question, why did it take so long for the man hunt to start?

 

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