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Kelly Cook, Barbara Stoppel and Victoria Crow Shoe. All of these murders involved rope.

Barbara Stoppel's (December 1981) and Victoria Crow Shoe's (August 2015) murders involved a very specific kind of rope: kernmantle. We know that Kelly Cook was bound with rope, but we don't know if it was kernmantle rope.

(Barbara Stoppel: "Investigation determined that the braided green and yellow nylon twine used in the murder was unique and may have been used as shot line for pulling wires through conduits in underground hydro or telephone installations. It was originally believed that the twine came from a producer in Washington State and as such police centered their investigation on the west coast. However, a recent analysis of the twine confirmed that it contained a chemical tracer used by a former Portage la Prairie rope manufacturer named Berkley Twine." From: http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=114.0

Victoria Crow Shoe: '"The rope is of kernmantle construction and is white with two black tracers in the sheath weave," reads an RCMP release.' From: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-pincher-creek-rcmp-victoria-crow-shoe-1.4861562; photo included.)

We don't know from published facts if Kelly Cook was bound in a specific way, or if that way was similar to Victoria Crow Shoe. We do know that Kelly Cook (Chin Reservoir) and Victoria Crow Shoe (Oldman River Reservoir) were both dumped in southern Alberta reservoirs where fishing occurs.

Was the rope used in Kelly Cook's and Victoria Crow Shoe's murders a kind of shot line, used for pulling electrical wires? That is the specific type of rope used in Barbara Stoppel's murder, tracked by a chemical tracer to a Manitoba company. Wind turbines were being dismantled in the Pincher Creek area at the time of Victoria Crow Shoe's murder. What was the logo on Kelly Cook's killer's windbreaker? Was power transmission work being done in the Strathmore/Standard area in April 1981?

Kelly Cook's killer could still be alive, especially if he was on the young side of his estimated age.
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Point taken JB;  but most facebook pages seldom include a link or proof of facts.  Therefore; I think the police would not take such pages as seriously.  I could be wrong because there are many, many well-laid-out facebook pages, which I hit on all the time.  ... pages used by serious people with organized articles and blogs;   but the majority of facebook is personal pages with no logic or organization.   :-\
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First thing the police peruse are face book sites.   Everything is done on face book, and other electronic communications. 

Facebook is putting us "out of business". Food for thought.

jb
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This thing about the site host change and all of the lost information was a terrible thing to have happen. I do wonder if there is still more to it than we know. Zero new members here on the site for all of 2019 ?? Something seems way wrong with that. Posts are dwindling to near zero on most days. Before it fades entirely, perhaps we the last surviving members could mention that we are willing to consider doing some fund raising in order to take over the site in the future instead of just killing it off?


I must confess that I always expect the "powers that be" and the many site vendors out there, are definitely in the position to "take out" whatever may be displeasing to them.... or in the case of police, whatever is not sanctioned by them and/or whatever makes it look like they are "missing the boat" when it comes to cold cases and suspects.  Grant it;  the police have unlimited access to throw out a net and troll for suspect matches that suit their cases ... whereas, we hobby sleuths can only research and dig into the news, facts and tips we find online. 

However, it is uncanny how much we expose, that police don't ever get to.  For example:  Bill Christensen, serial killer from the US.  He traveled much the same path as Terry Arnold down south.... could have easily been an acquaintance of Arnold while in Florida.... and/or may have "rubbed off on Arnold"... but Christensen was very pragmatic and into planning and dragging out "the ruse".  ... It has always struck me odd that the suspect who abducted Kelly used that name... and carried out a typical "Bill Christensen" murder. :-\  I'm still not convinced that Christensen was "on ice" in a Montreal jail those weeks that Kelly's murderer drifted in and drifted out~~~  and Christensen's old man was well practiced at getting little Billy magically in and out of jails and country boundaries.  ... access to money, plane flights, passports and other documents at the drop of a buck .. or an order!
- Point being:  Police almost never dig up all the stuff we dig up on murderers and serial killers....They never even considered the "real Bill Christensen" as far as we know.)  ... nor, all the individual facts and details only found through months and years of dedicated digging.  So if I was in the shoes of these police, I would certainly use every tool at my disposal to eliminate great details such as mug shots and little-publicized facts that us amateurs reveal on sites like this.  Shame .. Shame~   ::) ::) ::) ::)


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I get your interest in the other poi Lost and it may be justifiable. However if you were to just weigh the evidence dispassionately, knowing the exact construct of the unusual ligature that was found attached to a murder victim would seem to trump all the suspicion generated by the circumstance you describe with the other poi. This is what T. Arnold provides and it can't be glossed over imo. It's a big deal that crosses over into the arena of actually being evidence, not just suspicion.

Not saying that there may not be merit to the other Lost but if resources are scant Police will have to prioritize. Twenty other potential poi would likely be counter productive and provide excuses for lack of follow up on many a poi for years to come. Unless we are proceeding alphabetically if at all, T. Arnold could fall way down the list due age alone, just as he did in Barb Stoppel's murder investigation. At times it seems to be a competition between poi to best justify an investigation. With a level playing field I know where my vote would go. However whatever gets any action can't be discounted.. best of luck in your advocacy Lost..   

This thing about the site host change and all of the lost information was a terrible thing to have happen. I do wonder if there is still more to it than we know. Zero new members here on the site for all of 2019 ?? Something seems way wrong with that. Posts are dwindling to near zero on most days. Before it fades entirely, perhaps we the last surviving members could mention that we are willing to consider doing some fund raising in order to take over the site in the future instead of just killing it off?
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Hi D1; 
Will you refresh my old failing memory as to the validity of Terry Arnold's confession;  I can't recall without digging again, as to where and when it was considered a confession.  I know it was publicized more than once, he was looked at for Kelly's murder.   ???

On the other hand, although the suspect I am entertaining was never looked at by police because in all these years, they claim the RCMP staff involved could never actually get to address the case because the revolving RCMP members kept changing every few months ... ergo, not having the time or getting "rooted" long enough to dig into the massive case  .... even though, that suspect's own family members suspected him way back then.  It doesn't seem as though they were trying to get even with him;  to the contrary, it seems that once he was convicted of molesting his own little daughter for years, they finally could stand up to him, and go to the RCMP with what they knew and long-feared about how he looked just like the suspect composite (not generically, like most other suspects) and he had the motive (obsession with young girls) and plenty opportunity to have been there at that time, and the exact cocky, over-confident behavior, attitude, and tenacity as the original suspect.  .. that is something I cannot ignore.
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It was a waste  when so much of our research idea's, including pictures, vanished off this site... We have entertained different suspects over the years showing what they looked like.  For the sake of D1's post above, here is a reminder of Arnold's handy work;  the following extensive write-up/s say it all.  Arnold spend a long time around the Alberta area... very active in 1981.  http://www.mindytran.com/Arnold%20news%20stories.htm

All of our media articles and photo uploads vanished from the London serial killer sites that we worked on for years. Years of time and effort researching and uploading historic articles were lost. I have asked if there was any possibility that Chris could correct this but we have never heard from him. To say that the London Crew is devastated is an understatement. UC was gutted when he changed servers and I guess there was nothing he could do. I'm still not over the loss, and have been devastated about  the history that was lost on all of our cases. But I am happy to see  that UC members are forging ahead in cases, despite this, as in Kelly's case.

There is a new book coming out about one of our historical London cases (Jackie English) and I hope that it will bring interest back to UC members. Good to see Kelly's tread active.
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Yes I get all that but it is conjecture that you speak of. Eventually it comes down to proof. Which is why I have a hard time leaving Arnold. He is the only one that I know of that not only confessed to this but supplied precise details that only the killer should know. This is supposedly what the Police are to look for.

You do notice as time passes that there do seem to be many people who match a sketch to some degree or match up to circumstance and generate suspicion. Its not surprising and it can go on ad infinitum. It takes a lot to zero in, drill down in the detail and find a level of proof that goes beyond hearsay, coincidence, or suspicion by way of some similarity. People who want justice for some other crime perpetrated by some individual look for other instances to place their poi into. Its sort of a common thing and creates a bit of a mine field. 

A long time back I said I would keep some details out of this discussion. The part about Kelly not being raped and why was one of them. He said the same of Joanne btw.

As far as going off into other suspects, I have lost all hope as far as Arnold anyways but I would sure like to see some action by the authorities if that were the case, any action..  This should not be a dead cold case..

 
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.... D; I know we spent too many pages on this thread already going back and forth about Arnold .. that's fact.  and we all have our own "prime suspect/s" for Kelly's death. 

As far as Arnold, I see him as a great candidate for the crime except for two things:

-I can't perceive him as planning and calculating consistently for the number of days Kelly's abductor/killer stuck with, in order to get his hands on what he hoped might be "a duplicate of one particular figure skater he was obsessed with".  I can see Arnold have the same obsession, but not being stable enough to put in that much time to achieve his goal.... and Arnold would never have finished with the girl without raping her... that's Arnold!!! 
-Also;  I cannot imagine Arnold being in the position to be driving that splashy car (which he would have needed to know for sure he had access to it, prior, while he was putting the baby sitting ruse in place.... and I think Arnold is more the type that would just stalk and grab his intended victim all at once, not drag out the plan.  ... and if the car was "lined up, and stolen) just for that night, I expect the owner of the car would have reported it missing and/or come forward with some suspicion that it could possible have been their car.
 
However; I do think Arnold was/is a very likely
 suspect for scooping up Joanne Pederson in Chilliwack that rainy night outside the candy store. 

I still maintain that I've come across no better suspect for Kelly's murder than the one I've been entertaining since a few years now.
.... a guy who had access to that same type of car,
... an appetite for a young woman,
... frequented Standard and Hussier,
... was an avid lake fisherman and back-roads guy,
... was bold and cocky because he came from a "big business family" and had a powerful father (who had that same type of car) etc. etc. 
 

A few of us know who this guy is and also know from photos of him at that time, that he looked exactly like the composite photo.  We cannot display the mans photo, nor name him, because RCMP have already been informed since 4 yrs. and they still have not looked at this man for Kelly's murder.  His family background and his late father's heroic reputation in the community have kept him from being investigated all this time.

Just as is the cold case of Alexandra Wiwcharuck (The Girl From Saskatoon), when the authorities already know the most likely suspect and have been forced to consider them above the law, the case always goes cold!
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Sorry for venting about Arnold again, just gets frustrating  .. Kelly Cook is being treated no different than Barb Stoppel and Denise Lapierre by the authorities. ( Arnold's more well known victims) Only difference being that Arnold was at least eventually acknowledged as the prime suspect in those murders. Kelly in reality does appear to be a closed case now, same as Barb and Denise.. 
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