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Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by Nish on October 17, 2014, 01:02:59 PM »
Slippery slope indeed. I don't know of an comparison off hand, so I'll say no more. My utter disgust is well documented.

Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by RubyRose on October 17, 2014, 12:23:52 PM »
Kingston Pen. Was closed last year, RubyRose, so all those prisoners have been moved elsewhere.

Thank you, jobo.  I wonder if Bernardo is still his neighbour.
Vancouver / Re: Brent Oldfield - 57- missing in Vancouver - Oct 2/14
« Last post by jellybean on October 17, 2014, 11:45:46 AM »
Good News!! Brent Oldfield has been found safe and sound, according to the face book set up by his family.
So, he finally did pop up!!   :)

Okay, this is my thinking on this case. I believe someone in Union Bank was responsible for the killing of the men, because $5000.00  would be an extraordinary amount of money, like a couple of hundred thousand now. I believe the clerk or someone in that bank was responsible for the murders and robbing the men.  This all could be connected, all of the murders. There could have been some kind of a conspiracy to go wrong, especially if it was known there were plans to buy a farm and withdraw thousands from the bank. I would go back to the Union Bank, the killer was an employee and knew the money was withdrawn. And isn't it strange that the clerk could not remember who was spending the money. Money in those days was darned scarce, so he's going to remember who was spending it.  That's my opinion on this long time mystery. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by jellybean on October 17, 2014, 09:01:34 AM »
 IMO, If he was stripped of his pension, then NO ONE could sue him? As the old saying goes "You can't get blood out of stone."  It is a slippery slope to make exceptions, as in Williams case, to strip a person of their pensions.  Hasn't Williams caused enough harm?

Here is a list of lawsuits against him - with one being dismissed.  This article is October 2013.

Lawsuit against Russell Williams dismissed  7

Luke Hendry, QMI Agency
First posted:  Wednesday, October 16, 2013 07:54 PM CDT  | Updated:  Wednesday, October 16, 2013 07:58 PM CDT

BELLEVILLE, Ont. An Ontario's couple's lawsuit against sex killer Russell Williams and his estranged wife has been dropped, but three more remain before the court.

Larry and Bonnie Jones, of Tweed, Ont., had been suing Williams and Mary Elizabeth Harriman, among others, for $1.75-million.

"I can confirm that there's a dismissal about that action," said Belleville, Ont., lawyer Mike Pretsell, who is overseeing the four suits against the former air force colonel.

Williams pleaded guilty Oct. 18, 2010 to the first-degree murders of Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 37, of Brighton, Ont., in November 2009 and Jessica Lloyd, 27, of Belleville, in January 2010. He also pleaded guilty to a series of break-ins and fetish thefts and to sex attacks on neighbour Laurie Massicotte and a woman who under a publication ban can be named only as Jane Doe.

Williams is serving two concurrent life sentences in prison and isn't eligible for parole until 2035.

Doe, Massicotte and Lloyd's family all launched lawsuits against Williams and Harriman.

Police investigated Larry Jones for crimes they later linked to Williams and his wife. The Joneses had sued Williams, Harriman, Massicotte, the Ontario Provincial Police and more.

"Everything's been cancelled," Bonnie Jones said in a brief telephone interview. She referred further questions to Peterborough, Ont., lawyer David O'Neill, who did not return calls by press time.

Pretsell would only confirm the Joneses are no longer suing Williams and Harriman.

All other lawsuits remain unresolved, said Pretsell. He represents Doe and the Lloyds.

Doe seeks $2.45 million from Williams and Harriman; the Lloyds seek $4 million.

Pretsell said he couldn't predict when the suits could be resolved.

Massicotte is suing Williams, Harriman and the province for a total of $7 million.


Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by Nish on October 17, 2014, 07:19:17 AM »
I'm no expert on pensions. I do know, as the article states, that adjustments or claims can be made for things such as child or spousal support. It seems ludicrous to me that further claims cannot be made in circumstances such that the Deviant Williams perpetrated on his own free will.

Is it not feasible that his pension was earned, at least in part, due to some sort of fraud? In that he was stripped of his commission, and awards, due to his behaviour, could one not connect the dots further and strip him of his pension?

The law, as it stands, does make sense...to a point. Hopefully someone will see that these circumstances are exceptional and make it right while still protecting those that the law was meant to, not some deviant arsehole playing the system.

Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by jobo on October 17, 2014, 05:42:46 AM »
Kingston Pen. Was closed last year, RubyRose, so all those prisoners have been moved elsewhere.
Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« Last post by discus on October 16, 2014, 08:11:00 PM »

His cat died a year after he started stealing lingerie. 

It seems he has no conscience.

1918 murder mystery still puzzles Alberta

Grande Prairie killings called murder-suicide

Jana G. Pruden, Edmonton Journal
Published: Tuesday, June 21, 2011

Jana G. Pruden, Edmonton Journal
Published: Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Amateur historian Wallace Tansem spent a decade looking into the biggest unsolved mass murder in Alberta history, a case his father and uncles had talked about for years.

As Tansem learned more about the killings near Grande Prairie in June 1918, he was haunted by one thought, the same question another man had asked an undercover police officer more than 70 years earlier.

"How is it that six men are killed and no one knows anything about it?"

Amateur historians have long tried to solve the biggest unsolved mass murder in Alberta with the use of historical files.
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Amateur historians have long tried to solve the biggest unsolved mass murder in Alberta with the use of historical files.

Rick Macwilliam, Edmonton Journal

It was first assumed to be a murder-suicide. The bodies of Joseph Snyder and his nephew, Stanley, were found in the remains of their burnt-out shack near Grande Prairie. Both had been shot, likely with the .38 revolver found near the bodies. The Snyders were quiet and had always seemed to get along well, but 1918 had been a hard year, and killings were not unheard of.

Six days later, people noticed a bad smell emanating from the farm down the road.

The first bodies were found inside the shack. Ignace Patan, the owner of the farm, lay on the floor beside John Wudwand. Both were on their stomachs, close together and fully clothed, a tarp over their bodies, the floor beneath them stained with blood. Patan was still wearing the moccasins he had made from moose skin.

Inside a wagon in the yard was Charles Zimmer, his head visible under the sacks of flour and sugar that had been piled on top of his body, recognizable to the men who found him by his dark, bushy beard and the bright gold tooth shining at the front of his dentures.

Frank Parzychowsky was found lying on his back in the log storehouse, one hand in his overall pocket, the other raised over his head as if he'd been trying to protect himself.

Patan had his throat slit. The other three men were each shot, a single bullet in the back of the head or in the eye. Three men, three shots.

Suddenly, the deaths of the Snyders took on a new significance.

The gun found at the burning Snyder shack belonged to Patan, and there were five empty shell casings inside. A ring of keys from the Patan house was also found at the Snyder farm.

"It has been the belief of the police that either Snyder or his nephew had slain the other and then committed suicide," a newspaper story noted at the time, "but this new development may throw an entirely new light on the entire series of tragedies."

The last time anyone saw Patan, Zimmer and Wudwand alive, they were about to leave for Fort Vermilion to buy a ranch. The men had saved up $5,000 for the purchase, and had withdrawn all the money in cash from the Union Bank in Grande Prairie before their trip.

The men also had some wood alcohol, and their friend Parzychowsky joined them for a drink to say goodbye.

After the murders, police found only $108 in the house. The rest of the money was gone.

The bills started showing up in September. Ones, twos, fives and 10-dollar bills, all stained unmistakably with blood. The money was traced back to the Union Bank in Grande Prairie, but the teller couldn't remember who the money had come from. Some in town thought the bloody bills could have come from the butcher, but there were just so many of them, all stained the same deep crimson.

By the spring of 1920, police still hadn't made an arrest. Even an undercover police officer sent to Grande Prairie to "get in with the foreigners" came up empty-handed.

Despite having a long list of potential suspects and a new $5,000 reward, the best Det. John Nicholson could come up with was a circumstantial case against Dan Lough, the neighbour who discovered the Snyders' bodies.

Nicholson wasn't confident about the case -especially since there was absolutely no evidence linking Lough to any of the killings -but he decided to charge Lough anyway.

A jury took less than an hour to find Lough not guilty.

Nicholson then charged another man, Richard Knechtel, with the murders, based on information he got from Lough. Those charges were dismissed after a preliminary hearing. Lough was charged again in July 1921, but the charges were quickly withdrawn.

More than 90 years later, the murders of those six men near Grande Prairie on June 18 or June 19, 1918, remain the largest unsolved mass murder in Alberta history. Provincial government historian David Leonard said he has long been intrigued by the case, describing it as the ultimate "whodunit," a mystery that will probably never be solved.

"I guess it's all just speculation," he said. "I don't see how any more information could come forward now."

Tansem, the amateur historian who started looking into the case in the early 1990s, investigated the murders for about 10 years, even working on the case in hospital right up until his death.

Tansem's wife, Doris, said her husband had his own theory about the killer or killers, but he preferred people to come to their own conclusions

London / Re: Margaret Sheeler - London, ON - Murdered - 1963
« Last post by Have faith on October 16, 2014, 03:07:26 PM »
Quote jellybean:  " And why Suspects: Unknown?"

Hi jb--All of the unsolved murders listed on the London Police Service web site state "Suspect(s)" as "Unknown".  I'm sure that this does not mean that LE did not have any suspects, but rather they aren't going to name them publicly.  Most times, even the victim's loved ones aren't told who the suspect is, let alone the public. 

In Margaret's case, without the media releases from that time, it is impossible to tell who, if anyone, was named a POI or suspect, but it seems to be rarely done regardless.
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