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Solved Cases / Re: Candace Derksen - 13 - Murdered November 30, 1984 - SOLVED
« Last post by debbiec on November 15, 2014, 07:39:24 PM »
Derksen murder back in court
Defence argues new evidence discredits damning DNA tests

By: Mia Rabson
Posted: 11/15/2014 1:00 AM

OTTAWA -- The Manitoba government asked the Supreme Court Friday to reinstate a conviction of second-degree murder in the 1984 slaying of Winnipeg teenager Candace Derksen.

Mark Edward Grant was convicted in 2011 of murdering Derksen but his conviction was overturned a year ago by the Manitoba Court of Appeal, which said evidence of a similar case to Derksen's should have been admitted during Grant's trial.
Derksen was 13 when she was abducted in November 1984. Her frozen body was found, bound with rope, in a shed the following January. Her case was one of the province's most well-known unsolved cases for more than two decades. Grant wasn't arrested until 2007, after DNA evidence analyzed by a private lab in Thunder Bay, Ont., connected Grant to DNA from the rope used to bind Derksen.

Crown Attorney Ami Kotler told the high court Friday the existence of the second case didn't meet existing legal thresholds to be included in Grant's trial because the evidence between that case and Derksen's were not similar enough. That case involved a 12-year-old girl who was found bound by rope in an abandoned rail car less than a year after Derksen was killed. The girl, now an adult, testified the abduction never happened. The only other witness, the woman who found her, is dead. Grant was in custody when the second girl was allegedly abducted. Kotler told the Supreme Court on Friday the evidence gathered in the case did not show clear links to the Derksen murder and to allow the jury to hear the evidence was too risky. He suggested allowing in evidence with such flimsy connections could mean an accused could try to bring in evidence of cases with no clear connection to their own, but for which they have an alibi.

He said the two biggest alleged connections -- the discovery of the same brand of gum wrapper in both locations and the knot used on the rope bindings -- are not legitimate. The rope bindings were completely different even though they both contained one similar type of "granny knot."

But Grant's defence lawyer, Saul Simmonds, told the court "common sense" dictates there are similarities between the two cases: The girls were about the same age, there was no apparent motive for either attack, neither girl was sexually or physically assaulted, both were fully clothed and tied up with rope, and both were left in isolated locations in the same area of the city.

"This was not the kind of thing that was happening in Winnipeg in 1985," said Simmonds. "To try to suggest there is no connection is not a reasonable suggestion."

He noted police investigating the 12-year-old's case believed there were connections to Derksen and investigated it as such.

Simmonds also told the court Friday there were two other reasons not to reinstate the conviction, including new evidence discrediting the DNA evidence used to convict his client, and the possibility of juror bias.

The DNA evidence was contested during the trial, but Simmonds says he now has a new expert who believes there was a fault with the DNA testing that was not raised at trial.

He said the sample was tested three times, and the first two times it didn't come up with a result. The third test matched to Grant.

Simmonds said he has a DNA expert who says the DNA test results were improbable and may point to a "serious quality assurance" issue.

Grant's defence team also argued there was clear juror bias in the original trial after one of the jurors indicated after the trial she had believed Grant was guilty before the trial was over, and also indicated she had stopped paying attention to the evidence and was instead studying the people in the gallery of the courtroom.

Kotler said the DNA evidence wasn't improperly tested and the explanation for the different results is available from the private lab's reports. He said the first two tests weren't of good quality. He also said the juror's comment was that she believed Grant was guilty after hearing the Crown's evidence on the first day of the trial, and to infer she no longer had an open mind was not fair.

The court reserved its decision. If the court agrees with the Appeal Court to overturn Grant's conviction, Manitoba Justice will have to decide whether to hold another trial or let the case drop.

Grant remains in custody awaiting the outcome.

If you recall, the lead detective at the time (on the second anniversary) Tracy Dobbins, I believe her name was - was interviewed by reporters close to the scene where SV was found (le were present to check the swamps as they had received a tip); she said "I will not speak of suspect or suspect, location or locations.  That led me to believe that they had some.  Right?

Well, don't know what happened there, as now they are saying that they do not have any, according to the latest video from Global (which has been posted, a few threads up).

They will take any tip no matter how small!!  Pathetic!!


Detectives also said they believed the killer was familiar with Orangeville, where the victim lived and possibly knew Ms. Varaschin.
Hundreds of voluntary DNA samples have been taken and police say they’re continuing the tests.

So, Possibly knew Sonia, and familiar with Orangeville, where the victim lived.  Hmm. Think Possibly - that is different than probably or did know.  Think familiar with Orangeville.  Familiar is a stronger word used for the geo area, than possibly in the area of knowing Sonia.

Law enforcement were so cautious - all the way through the years. Never stepped forward with strong words regarding the situation. Just gave little peeps - such as possibly and familiar are only two examples. Giving one the impression, that they could not give too much away.  Well, I think they never had anything much to give away to the public.  They just do not have any evidence that points in any one direction period.

I sound as though I am splitting hairs, and I probably am - er excuse me -  possibly I am? lol


Nova Scotia Unsolved Murders & Missing People / Re: Vincent Pius GRIFFIN
« Last post by Concerned on November 15, 2014, 02:55:15 PM »
Here is a web page regarding Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act or the Part XX of the Municipal Government Act, which I believe may be of assistance to you. There are FAQs on this page that will help to explain the process to you:


Another page references the following person and contact information for you to possibly start your inquiry:

Catherine Tully
Nova Scotia Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Review Officer

Centennial Building
1660 Hollis St. Suite 1002
Halifax, NS
B3J 1V7
Mailing Address:
Box 181
Halifax, NS
B3J 2M4
Phone: (902) 424-4684
No Charge-Dial: 1-866-243-1564

Email:  FOIPOPReviewOfficer@gov.ns.ca

Website:  http://foipop.ns.ca/contact-us

I hope this helps.
yes -- very plausible, JB.
But even so I still wonder: WHO are the POIs (plural) referenced in the early reports? Have they been wholly ruled out? Or is the issue ... lack of concrete evidence?
General Discussion / Re: Books Fiction & Non on Missing Persons
« Last post by capeheart on November 15, 2014, 02:08:10 PM »
Yes, I just saw a show on TV about it about a week ago and surely am interested in getting the book. I heard about the case last year, but now that there is a book, I am really interested in reading it. :D :D :D :D

This is a different interview, at least one that I never watched. Apparently, they do not have any suspects. 
That brings me back to an old theory, and I have copied mine, although other posters have wondered along similar lines, especially from the start.

I am beginning to lean more strongly towards the casual stalking of her.  Someone who was acquainted with her, and someone connected to her neighbourhood.  This would include surrounding streets.  Amanda Street, as an example. 
Someone who would see her bike by his home, perhaps give a friendly wave - that type of thing.
He would be in a position to watch her habits, etc. and become quite familiar with them over time.
It is the ready access to observe - that is key to me. So, I hardly believe it was committed by an out of towner.

As an example, how would anyone know that she did not lock her sliding glass doors that nite?  It had to be  someone who was at the back, checking up on her, which he may have done many times before. He probably was very aware that she would let her cat out at the same time every night.

Someone who became delusional, believing that he and Sonia had a deep understanding and a special relationship.

He felt that he was that important to her, in his sick mind, that he had to remove her. When in reality - she hardly knew him and for that matter, he was insignificant to anyone else who met him.
Just a theory - but a plausible  one.
And that is why they don't have any suspects. He  was someone who had no known connection to her., other than in his own sick, delusional mind.


Regina / Re: TAMRA JEWEL KEEPNESS - Missing From Regina 2004
« Last post by jellybean on November 15, 2014, 11:16:23 AM »

This is a very long article regarding the map. I have snipped part of it

MySecretIsOut said the map was found over the weekend among a deceased family member’s belongings. “Several years ago every time something new came out about the case my late grandmother used to say, ‘They’re searching in the wrong place, they need to check the old wells,’” the Reddit user explained. MySecretIsOut said the family questioned the grandmother but “all she ever said was her sister in Alberta had given her a map that she (the sister) got based on visits to someone in prison out that way.”

The Reddit user, who said he or she had nothing to do with the case but has been following it for years, expressed hope that “something good comes out of [the posting] and at the very least gets some more people searching and talking about [Tamra] again.”
Toronto / Re: Hunter Crosson | 14 | Missing Toronto Girl | September 18, 2014
« Last post by Logical on November 15, 2014, 09:45:35 AM »
From my family experiences of foster child becoming adopted and my mothers struggles with this childhood had most to do with separation from her biological mother. IMO a foster child would have the same separation anxiety that an adopted child naturally feels (and cannot control, this is human instinct and need). This separation anxiety manifests into two types, pleaser or rebellious. The unconscious fear of not been wanted a second time is instantly felt by the child, no matter if an infant or toddler or teenager. A pleaser will try to be so good not to upset the apple cart and thus not wanted. The rebellious will think in a more protective mode, I will not let myself love you or you love me because you are going to hurt me too so if I can control it with rebellious actions it is in their mind on their terms and they feel less hurt.

This creates a very chaotic environment in a group home, for both the staff and the children. I do not know if physchiatric therapy is part of group homes, but if it was I think the children would suffer much less.

I am not saying predators do not use and abuse this system, but it is much more complicated. My mother grew up in one home as a foster child from a toddlers age, it was not until she turned 19 did my grandparents adopt her
As they wanted to collect the monthly government check (during the depression) but this expired after age 18.

We do not give these children enough proof of saftey, these are not bad kids, they are hurt and hurting and not getting the proper assistance to heal and understand their internal feelings and control the fear.

These are not bad girls they have found others with the same attitudes and fears and are sticking together, they may we'll be the only people they trust and call family. IMO.

So very sorry for you lose.  wondering if you have any thought or any ideas we can all do what we can to see if we come up with something
General Discussion / Re: Daughter sees dad murder 3 First Nations boys
« Last post by Deb R on November 14, 2014, 10:57:42 PM »
Apparently, from this obit, Glenna Mae's fathers surname was not Breckenridge, it was Suggitt. He passed away in 2009 but apparently had been questioned by the police as one point but it was dismissed.

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