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As much we like to think that we are a modern progressive country, some areas lag far behind. Justice is not what it could and should be. I am impressed that they found the killer of the Canadian couple using the newer dna testing/ comparison methods but as with the few other similar cases, the testing was all done in the USA under US laws. The results speak for themselves, do we want to bring killers to justice or not? Perhaps its just been a make work project for our authorities in the past to justify their ever increasing budget? A golden goose they don't want messed with! This is where a government is supposed to step in and the people have their role to push for the changes. Its time.. The dirt that would come pouring out from under the rug is another matter.
Kamloops, Kelowna & Penticton / Re: Ryan Shtuka - age 19 - missing - Kamloops BC
« Last post by looking on May 19, 2018, 09:21:29 AM »
Ryan still hasn't been found. Maybe it's time to consider foul play?
General Discussion / Re: The future of DNA investigations..
« Last post by Sap1 on May 19, 2018, 12:18:31 AM »
The USA is far more willing than Canada to explore what new dna testing procedures can provide to investigators..
Excellent test case to watch .. Cold case.. Canadian citizens murdered in Washington state.

They have used a technology called Snapshot DNA Phenotyping and on Wednesday they will be unveiling new suspect information. The process can be used to predict the physical appearance of a person, including eye, skin and hair colour, facial features and ancestry.

Arrest made. (Someone had already made a thread for the couple under Victoria and full article is posted there.)

We really need this in Canada as well. I imagine there will be many who are starting to squirm and get uncomfortable now, and they should. Could lead to faster arrests.
Victoria / Re: Jay Cook & Tanya Van Cuylenbourg- Nov '87 - murdered
« Last post by Sap1 on May 19, 2018, 12:11:14 AM »
Killer finally in custody due to police using new dna technology. videos and more info at link.

The Canadian Press
Published Friday, May 18, 2018 2:26PM EDT
Last Updated Friday, May 18, 2018 3:01PM EDT
EVERETT, Wash. -- Police in Washington state say they have made an arrest in connection to the murders of a Victoria-area couple more than 30 years ago.

Eighteen-year-old Tanya Van Cuylenborg and her boyfriend, 20-year-old Jay Cook, were found dead near Seattle in November 1987.

Police say they have arrested 55-year-old William Earl Talbott from the Seattle-Tacoma area and he has been booked on one count of first-degree murder in the death of Van Cuylenborg.

Face of a killer? Police release new images in cold-case murders of B.C. couple

A suspect image created by DNA profiling depicts what the suspect may have looked like at 25 years old, 45 years old and 65 years old. (Snohomish County Sheriff's Office)

Police say the suspect's DNA collected at the scene of Van Cuylenborg's murder was used to identify Talbott's ancestors, which led them to him.

Officers say once genealogists made the connection, police acquired a DNA sample from a cup Talbott had used.

Snohomish County Sheriff Ty Trenary says the department never gave up hope in their investigation.

"Yesterday's arrest shows how powerful it can be to combine new DNA technology with the relentless determination of detectives," he told a news conference.

The arrest was made five weeks after police released composite drawings of a potential suspect created through groundbreaking DNA technology. Images released by the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office showed a Caucasian man with fair hair and green or hazel eyes, traits that investigators said are connected to the DNA of the person they think killed the couple.

The high school sweethearts were on their way to Seattle to pick up furnace parts for Cook's father when they disappeared. Their bodies were found in separate locations outside the city days later.

Here's a case of Snaphot DNA combined with family tree DNA research. The victims were Canadian. The suspect is American. The murders occurred in the 1980s.

Why not move forward with Sonia's case?

Why can't this be done?
There's a Facebook site posted by her daughter, Ann-Marie called "Missing Since September 18, 1983 Marilyn Ann Neely" in the hopes that someone might come forward who knows something. 

Let's hope it generates some positive responses.

*Prayers for the Family*
General Discussion / Re: McDonald's Murderer Investing Money
« Last post by RubyRose on May 15, 2018, 05:42:49 PM »

This is thoroughly disgusting.  Meantime, more likely than not, the victims' families are probably struggling every day just to make ends meet.
I'm not sure who would even want his soul, Sap1, but if he was being truthful and honest, I guess that's a good thing.  Personally, I'm skeptical of anything Karl Toft would say but at least wherever he is, he is in a place where he can't hurt anyone else.  And it does appear that he tried to abide by the terms of his parole toward the end of his life.

He may have been able to obtain a degree of peace before his passing but I wonder how many of his victims, at least those who are still alive, have truly been able to escape their demons.  The poor boys, most of whom were really not bad boys, had two strikes against them to begin with and then to have to deal with that monster.

It makes me so angry to know that this abuse was able to go on for years and that successive NB governments (and both parties of the day were equally guilty) just swept it under the rug as though the boys were worthless.
London / Re: Irene Francis Gibbons - Strathroy, ON - Murdered - 1975
« Last post by George Fayne on May 15, 2018, 05:07:00 PM »
In my efforts to look into deaths involving:  older woman, strangulation, and home invasion, I've come across the Caroline Weldman case.  (Note, I'm not saying that Weldman's killers were responsible for Irene's death, I'm just information gathering):

  • Caroline Ida Weldman was 58 years old.  She died in September 1963.
  • She lived in a second floor apartment in London with her husband.  At the time of the murder, her husband was in the hospital.
  • Her body was discovered in her bed.  She was strangled with the sash from her husband's housecoat, which was wrapped around her neck three times.
  • Police believed it was a break and enter gone wrong.
  • Two 17 year old men were charged later that year.  Psychiatrists determined that they were mentally ill.  One of the assailants was diagnosed with Schizophrenia.  The other was sent to Ontario Hospital in Penetanguishine for an indefinite period of time.  It seems his accomplice was also sent to a mental health facility-- I'm not sure where and for how long.
  • One of the men may have lived in the Niagara region under an alias.  This person (if it is the same person, and I think it is) was murdered in 1979.  He was not in the hospital at this time.
  • Coincidentally, Caroline Weldman was Jacqueline Dunleavy's aunt.  Jacqueline's death is often linked to Irene's.

Questions and comments (note, some of this is speculative):
  • Her killers kept tabs on her.  They happened to strike when her husband was in the hospital.
  • Was anything found stolen from Weldman's apartment?  Police determined that this was a B&E that had been interrupted, and yet, strangulation seems such an extreme response to this situation.  At this time, police were not necessarily trained to recognize paraphillic behaviours as such.
  • Weldman was discovered in bed.  This detail sticks out to me.
  • One of the assailants may have been living in the Niagara region in the late 1970s.  So, (if this is the person) clearly he was not institutionalized long term.
General Discussion / Re: MMIW Inquiry 20160803
« Last post by Sap1 on May 14, 2018, 11:22:26 PM »

Missing and murdered inquiry needs extension and new approach, families and activists say
Letter from Indigenous leaders and grassroots activists complain families have been 'left in the dark'
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: May 15, 2017 3:06 PM ET | Last Updated: May 15, 2017

Prominent Indigenous leaders and activists are urging Marion Buller, chief commissioner of the national inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, to seek an extension to its mandate. (Darryl Dyck/Canadian Press )
A number of prominent Indigenous leaders and grassroots activists are demanding a fundamental rethink of the entire inquiry into missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, as concerns about delays, bad communication, and poor organization begin to boil over.

In a letter sent to the inquiry's chief commissioner, former B.C. judge Marion Buller, the signatories warn that, in their eyes, the inquiry is in such a sorry state that it must secure an extension to its original timeline.

"We are deeply concerned with the continued lack of communication that is causing anxiety, frustration and confusion, and with disappointment in this long-awaited process," the letter says. "We request that you, as leader of this inquiry, substantially rework your approach in order to regain trust and ensure that families are no longer feeling retraumatized in this process."

The first interim report of the landmark inquiry is due Nov. 1, 2017, giving commissioners only a few months to meet with families and other interveners who want to provide testimony. The inquiry announced last week that it would suspend planned family meetings until the fall — citing demands from family members who will be out on the land this summer hunting — and will now hear from experts on violence against women instead.

The final report is expected by the end of 2018.

The commission has said it intends to submit its reports by those deadlines, and fulfil its mandate as set out in its terms of reference.

"The timeframe for this inquiry is clearly too short," the writers say in response to the commission's insistence an extension is not necessary.

"We recommend that you formally request an extension now rather than wait. This will enable you to use the time this summer to seriously consider how the inquiry can be reformatted to address the myriad of concerns being raised widely across the country."

A spokesperson for Indigenous Affairs Minister Carolyn Bennett said the Liberal government is confident the inquiry has enough time and resources to get its important work done.

Inquiry has faced delays
The letter's signatories, including more than 50 people and organizations, say proceedings so far have been "shrouded in secrecy," with dribs and drabs about the inquiry's process leaked to the news media.

The inquiry has been plagued by delays and personnel problems, and its director of communications, Michael Hutchinson, was let go, after only a few months of service. CBC News has also learned that Sue Montgomery, senior communications adviser with the inquiry commission, has resigned and will be leaving as of June 2.

Families disagree with MMIWG inquiry commission's reason to postpone hearings
Families unsure whether to take part in missing Indigenous women inquiry
MMIWG inquiry won't hear from most families until the fall
Families of victims now say they have been left in the dark by the commission about when and where meetings will take place, giving the impression meetings are "invitation only." They fear the "family" hearings will leave out some voices, including homeless people and those engaged in sex industries.

There is also concern that many of the directors and staff working for the committee have not yet had proper "trauma-informed" training, something the commission has promised will be done in June.

They also point to the proliferation of lawyers working with the inquiry as something that could further bog down the process, at the expense of "known and respected advocates. There is widespread perception and concern that the inquiry is too legalistic in its operations to date, and that a legal lens is dominating the inquiry's pursuit of its mandate."

The national inquiry is a key part of the federal government's reconciliation efforts with Canada's Indigenous people. The five-person panel was appointed last August by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to spend two years investigating why so many Indigenous women and girls have been murdered or gone missing.
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