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London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« Last post by Concerned on September 18, 2018, 10:53:11 PM »
Wow, 49 years. Bless your hearts.
London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« Last post by Jesa on September 18, 2018, 06:51:55 PM »

Once again, Jackie's annual walk will be upon us in the next couple of weeks. We hope to see familiar & new faces. This walk will mark the anniversary of her death 49 years ago! I will be there to honour my sister & have her remember.
General Discussion / Re: Just in Case You Need Some Hope Today
« Last post by Concerned on September 17, 2018, 03:32:35 PM »
Sometimes equipment developed for a different industry becomes affordable and efficient for search and rescue operations.

A sonar imaging technique that works similar to an MRI scanner was developed to help fishermen find where the big fish are at in up to 350 feet of water on either side of a boat. The Oaklahoma Highway Patrol used it to find a '52 Chevy and a '68 Camaro that were about 100 feet offshore in Foss Lake. Six bodies were recovered in what is believed to be two cold cases from the 1970s.

The equipment manufactured by Humminbird costs about $2,800 compared to base models by traditional suppliers of underwater sonar suppliers who charge $40,000, or more. They hope by making sonar more affordable that departments of natural resources, search and rescue departments, and sheriffs' departments may work more quickly to turn some cases into rescues versus recoveries.

After recovering the body of a 13-year-old boy who was lost in 2012 due to a boat crash on Lake Lanier, Georgia, the Georgia Department of Natural Resources ordered 28 sonar units to equip their entire fleet.

For police divers in Scotland and Ireland, sonar is one technique of three they use in water searches as well as historic missing person cases. They choose their method depending on the environment (ditches, canals, rivers, large lakes, estuaries or oceans). They typically deploy old-fashioned traditional methods first, like accessing points of access and possible traveling distances to narrow their search. They use sonar from a boat or held by a diver to image the pond or lake bed. If soft sediment is an issue, they deploy ground penetrating radar which use radar pulses to image the subsurface. If an object is detected they then utilize a specially trained victim recovery dog to detect scent rising from a decaying body to determine a closer proximity.

Some point to future technological advances currently used by submarine surveys of telecommunication cables, offshore windfarms and oil rigs for hope in rescue and recovery efforts. Even underwater autonomous vehicle searches and aqueous drones may be able to roam on the bottom of waterways or along the sediment surfaces.

What other industry advances can we convert?

General Discussion / Re: Amber Alert Saskatchewan, Alberta, Manitoba
« Last post by Sap1 on September 17, 2018, 11:43:50 AM »
Thank you for the update Debbie. Whew! Thank God she is safe.

I guess someone just needed a ride; but the horror her parents faced for several hours.
General Discussion / Re: Amber Alert Saskatchewan, Alberta, Manitoba
« Last post by debbiec on September 17, 2018, 09:51:02 AM »
Thankfully Emma has been found safe.
General Discussion / Amber Alert OFF - Child found.
« Last post by Sap1 on September 16, 2018, 11:15:24 PM »
Good view of vehicle at link.

REGINA -- An Amber Alert was issued Sunday night for a six-year-old Saskatchewan girl who RCMP say was in the back of her family's SUV when it was stolen outside a strip mall in North Battleford.

Police said that Emma O'Keeffe is Caucasian, three-feet-six-inches tall, and weighs 44 pounds. She suffers from epilepsy and autism, and is non-verbal and unable to walk.

"I think any six-year-old that was taken against their will is definitely a risk," RCMP Corporal Rob King said. "This girl, given her medical conditions, is at higher risk."

 Amber alert vehicle
The suspect is believed to be driving a dark grey 2010, Mercedes Benz GL350 Bluetec SUV with Saskatchewan license plate 897 HMX. (RCMP)

RCMP said the vehicle was taken Sunday at around 5 p.m. after the girl's mother left it running and went into a business in the strip mall.

The girl was secured in a child seat in the back of the SUV and police said they don't believe she would be able to get out of the vehicle herself.

The suspect is believed to be driving a dark grey 2010, Mercedes Benz GL350 Bluetec SUV with Saskatchewan license plate 897 HMX.

Police said it's a case of an abduction by a stranger and there is no indication a family member is involved.

"This is a stolen SUV with a child in the back seat," King said. "This is not a parental abduction."

Emma has brown, jaw-length hair and was last seen wearing a navy-blue, long sleeve T-shirt, black jeans, pink socks and no shoes. She was also wearing a diaper.

Police said the girl requires medication every 12 hours and that missing a dose could lead to extreme medical distress.

There is no description of the suspect at this time and police said they don't know what direction the vehicle was headed. The Alert has been expanded beyond Saskatchewan to include Alberta and Manitoba.

Investigators contacted the vehicle's manufacturer to find out if it had GPS tracking, but were told it likely does not. They said it was something they were looking into further.

The SUV has a keyless entry system so police said that once the suspect shuts off the vehicle, it cannot be started again.

The vehicle is estimated to have had a half tank of gas.

Police said they are also reviewing any surveillance video that may be available.
General Discussion / Re: Just in Case You Need Some Hope Today
« Last post by Concerned on September 16, 2018, 07:41:42 AM »
Sometimes a case lingers in the mind of a retired sheriff until he can put the pieces together.

Retired Bibb County Sheriff Deputy Anthon Strickland was touched by the thought that a boy around the age of 15 who had been struck by a truck and killed in 1979 in Georgia was buried as a John Doe because he had no identification at the time of the accident. Nobody came forward in the area saying they had a missing loved one. And, at that time, there was no national database. He went to the boy's funeral and the feeling that some family out there was missing their child never left his conscience.

All John Doe had in his pockets at the time of the deadly accident were candy wrappers and a note with a phone number on it. The phone number belonged to someone who had given the hitchhiking boy a ride. All the driver could recall at the time was that the boy said he was from Michigan and his name was "Drew Greer."

Investigators in Georgia tried to connect with Michigan authorities, but at the time there was no known database and the effort would mean contacting individual jurisdictions - there were hundreds of them. Media wasn't as social. My, how things have progressed. The case went cold, but forever made a lasting impression on the Sheriff. In the decades that followed, he would continue to search media sources for a boy named "Drew Greer."

In the meantime, the family of Andrew Greer in Lenawee County were searching for their son who was wearing a blue quilted parka when he ran away from Addison High School because he got in minor trouble.

His parents would go to authorities who didn't make a report because they thought he would return in a few days - a typical teen runaway. The Michigan State Police in 1979 launched an investigation, without success. The Lenawee County Sheriff's Department would try in 2000. Andrew's stepfather said at some point the authorities would point fingers at the family "wanting answers" but the family had no idea where he had gone.

Different family members would try at different times in the decades to come to resurge the case, gain media attention. In 2000, Andrew's father pushed tirelessly to launch an investigation. In 2014, Andrew's younger brother contacted friend Daniel Cherry, a journalist for The Daily Telegram, to ask him to write a story about his younger brother, in hopes of reopening the case. That's when Michigan State Police St. Larry Rothman entered Andrew Greer into a database for the missing persons and began working the case.

As fate would have it, Retired Sheriff Strickland who had not stopped looking through available databases for teens that went missing around 1979. He suspected a link of the missing "Andrew Greer" with the John Doe who was possibly "Drew Greer" and in December 2017, he contacted Sgt. Rothman who then in April 2018 traveled to Georgia to exhume the body for DNA testing with the assistance of Macon District Attorney's Office and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

On Tuesday, August 14, the match was confirmed. Andrew's mother, Joyce had died the year before. Andrew's father had died several years prior after desperately hoping to find his son. But, Andrew's stepbrother, now in his 70's was thankful to finally know what happened - Andrew ran away from home, was killed when he was struck by a semi-truck while hitchhiking down I-75 near Macon on Valentine's Day in 1979. They suspect he was headed to Florida to be with other family members.

Andrew Jackson Greer's body is being transported back to Michigan for proper burial and Retired Sheriff Strickland no longer has to spend time looking for answers for a boy he never knew, but forever (and thankfully) held in his heart and mind.

When people don't give up, sometimes pieces of the puzzle miraculously come together even after 40 years to deliver much needed answers.


Other BC Locations / Re: Marrisa Shen - 13 - murdered - Burnaby, BC
« Last post by Sap1 on September 16, 2018, 03:15:34 AM »
Yes, I do have concerns as well JB. The more I think of it, something seems off. And the community of Syrians is out there too, supporting the family.
Thanks for this update!
I’m hoping some answers come for the Greenley family with this development.
Other BC Locations / Re: Marrisa Shen - 13 - murdered - Burnaby, BC
« Last post by jellybean on September 15, 2018, 04:54:39 PM »
I agree with that statement.   It is so easy to blame one community.  Above that,   I hope this young man is able to obtain an interested and good defence lawyer. The evidence is circumstantial... not hard clad with dna etc.

How easy it would be for residents to point fingers at a new immigrant.  That concerns me.....

I hope that this trial is made public..... and not by jury.  The kid would never have a chance.

As long as he gets a fair trial..... whether guilty or innocent, is very important. Not railroaded, shall we say.....


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