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General Discussion / Re: Is anyone in Ontario willing to help?
« on: March 12, 2010, 08:50:32 PM »
Good thinking Jobo. I have to admit, I'm impressed by the effort those on this site, put towards these cases.

Itdoesntmatter, just curious, why does the frozen ground in the winter deter? Or the warmer months are more conducive? In one of the earlier posts you alluded to the fact that you had asked the police about this matter. Do you know why they couldn't be of any assistance? I could only hope that they have databanks of information and would have wanted to assist.  I also find it sad that at the tender age of 13 you had to fight so hard to be away from your parents and am really sorry that someone couldn't have recognized then the importance. To think how many people may have been spared. Just one life. It begs that if anyone, anyone believes a child, or adult, is in harm's way to keep a very close watchful eye and help. I can only think that perhaps, if we/they did itdoesnt would have had a much better lifetime. How many more lives is the public going to lose. What a waste.

Ottawa / Re: Tina Smithson 51 Missing (January 26, 2010) Pakenham
« on: March 12, 2010, 08:38:47 PM »
Did anyone hear how Ms. Smithson passed?  When she went missing a story in the news mention that police believed she had left her residence on foot and that she fell through the ice, however I haven't seen any reports confirming this.  I'm curious as I have been keenly watching the reports that mention "falling in water" and women 30-60 missing without a trace. Being close to Ottawa has me wondering.

Here is a post I saw today on the memorial service. My thoughts and prayers to the family on what must be a very difficult time.

SMITHSON, Tina Missing since January 25th, Tina was finally found close to home on Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010. Tina Marie Smithson of Pakenham at the age of 51 years. Dear daughter of Eddie Legree and of the late Heather (nee Porteous). Beloved wife and best friend of Ray. Cherished mother of Curtis, Scott and Brittni. Loved sister of Mike (Heather Roy) of Pakenham and Terry (Lynn) of Ottawa. Predeceased by a sister, Mary Ellen Legree. Dear sister-in-law of Terry Smithson of Pakenham and Linda Ross (Nick) of Norfolk, Virginia. Tina will be fondly remembered by her best friends, Denis and Beth Bucci of Pembroke. Friends may join us for visitation at the Pilon Family Funeral Home, 50 John Street North, Arnprior on Saturday from 2 to 4 and again from 6 to 7:45 p.m. A Candlelight Service to celebrate Tina's life will be conducted in the Pilon Family Chapel on Saturday evening at 8 o'clock. Rev. Debbie Roi of St. Andrew's United Church, Pakenham officiating. Cremation to follow. In memoriam, a donation made to the Huntington Society of Canada would be most appreciated by Ray and Tina's family.

Ottawa / Tina Smithson 51 Missing (January 26, 2010) Pakenham
« on: March 11, 2010, 07:38:14 PM »
Missing woman sought near Pakenham
Last Updated: 26th January 2010, 12:29pm

Ontario Provincial Police are searching for a missing woman near Pakenham on Tuesday afternoon.

The search began Monday night when a person reported Tina Smithson, 51, may have fallen through some ice near 2993 10th Concession Rd. The area is off County Rd. 15 west of Pakenham and south of Arnprior.

Police told the Sun they were searching in the woods at the same address.

In a release, sent out moments later, police said Smithson last spoke to her husband, Raymond Smithson, on the phone around noon Monday.

They also said it's unknown what she was wearing or what direction of travel was taken.

"It is believed that she has left on foot from the residence, as her vehicle is still at the residence. She does not have her purse or any form of identification with her," said the release.

She is described as 5-foot-1 and 100 lbs.. She has short reddish/brown hair and a fair complexion.

General Discussion / Re: Is anyone in Ontario willing to help?
« on: March 10, 2010, 11:22:31 PM »
In the following article there is reference to a series of unidentified bodies found in and around 1967. Recently they reconstructed one and was able to be identified. Then a second. However the article alludes to police not having the technology to identify the remains, then.  Wonder if they were ever able to identify the five others they refer to in the article.

General Discussion / Re: Is anyone in Ontario willing to help?
« on: March 10, 2010, 09:31:26 PM »
I wonder if the reason he wouldn't have been reported missing is that he could have lived independently without family knowing he was missing. If it was an unfortunate case where he became deceased in a relatively short period of time, perhaps the family was only made aware when he was found (that is assuming he was found). Or, if he was released, maybe the family dealt with the circumstances privately.  ideoesn't, did he seem like he could have lived on his own without much assistance, prior to this situation? Was he visiting the area because of the sporting event? Did he ever indicate that he did not live in the area?

I sure hope these individuals are not able to continue this type of behavior. Is there any hope that they have been caught and not able to do this anymore.

I really  hope we can find him. I'm really impressed by the effort of the group here.

General Discussion / Re: Is anyone in Ontario willing to help?
« on: March 10, 2010, 07:04:27 AM »
I can't even imagine what you must have gone through. I have to say, though, if he inspired you by his resilience, it doesn't surprise me that you are willing to do this for him. It would seem to me an act of resilience to the mean individuals that would also inspire you.  Aimee Mullins a great speaker on adversity, has a YouTube speaking event where she emphasizes everyone has adversity in their lives. Some more real than others. It is what you do with that adversity and what you become when you transform through it, that defines us all.  Your transformation and adaptation I can't even imagine. Some of our transformation and adaptation is in finding such needed answers.  That is why we thank your bravery.

A few more questions. How sure are you of the year, and the location?  Do you know the date for sure, or is there a date range? Is the location where he was picked up in St. Catharines, or could it be a wider area.

Very sorry to hear about your missing loved one. Have you checked some of the sites that list those found who remain unidentified or have you listed your loved one as missing on the following:

Canada OPP Missing Persons and Unidentified Site:
Canada Missing and Unidentified Private Site:
Canada Missing and Unidentified Private Site:
United States and Canada International Registry:
The Interpol:

Having more of a description of him may help, but here are some stories about a person found in the date and age range you are describing:

General Discussion / Re: Is anyone in Ontario willing to help?
« on: March 09, 2010, 08:52:11 PM »
Itdoesnt, you are so brave giving us hope and pride that people will come forward to do what is right for those that are missing. So much hope. There are many of us, like this math teacher's family, that only hope and wish someday someone will speak up for our loved one.

Do you have a description of this gentleman?  Color of hair, distinguishing features, voice pattern, distinctive noise facial hair, crooked teeth, race? etc. any details that he provided that you remember that can help us look. (Family lived in the area? Married? Brothers? Sisters? Who is it he most wanted to get the message back to.)  Was he in a wheelchair due to a disability or from the abuse of those that held him?

I'm looking up class reunions s which provide a list of those students and teachers for reunions. Sometimes you get lucky and find pictures on the sites and descriptions that state "math teacher" and "missing" or "deceased." And, that may be a starting point. You never know.

Are you certain the teacher taught in the St. Catharine's area?  Here is a list of other universities/colleges in that immediate area, I would have to confirm if they were around in the 60's: 

Academy of Learning Niagara  905-641-0835
Laurel College of St. Catharines 905-988-9898
Niagara College Canada 905-641-2252
College Boreal (Thorold, ON) 905-688-9998
Niagara University (NY)

What I don't get is the number of victims that go missing during the course of their usual day (coming home from work, at home) in that age range without a trace. No bank cards used. Bodies not found. My question is why? Where? Who would do this? What are they doing? What is the market for that age range of women? When we have answers to that question, I think we will be able to solve many similar crimes.

General Discussion / Re: Coping with the loss of a sibling
« on: March 06, 2010, 12:22:57 PM »
Thank you.

Russell Williams / Re: Russell Williams: Timeline
« on: March 06, 2010, 09:10:57 AM »

Russell Williams / Re: Russell Williams: Timeline
« on: March 06, 2010, 08:41:33 AM »
Iam, thanks for sharing those articles. I find it very unfair that legal eagles think, and can argue, that it is thought an accused individual will not get a fair trial based upon 1) the public may have heard a substantiated or non-substantiated report that the accused confessed, or 2) the public may be biased by hearing that the accused may or may not have come in contact with another serial murder/rapist while attending college.

First, if the public heard that the accused confessed, my first reaction is, 'To what?' That he drove down the road? That he knew the person? It doesn't mean he confessed (or didn't confess) to all parts of the crime. Second, if the public may become biased because the accused may have attended the same college with the another person that committed a crime, then I would, personally, fear that wow...could we all be guilty by association, I mean who was walking down the aisle of the grocery store with me the other day? What I'm leading to is that I think it is an injustice to the public to make these remarks and think that people do not have the capacity to judge fairly on what is presented to them in court. This all is jmo, but it begs me to want to say that if the accused didn't do anything, he has nothing to worry about. The facts presented in court will surely state any connections that can legally be made and then the chosen public can decide based on court presentation. I don't see where the issue is with these arguments. If the public is as simple-minded as those remarks presume, then we would have to wonder if the public could decipher anything in court, fairly.

Having said that, I would like to say it is my opinion that they are missing the most important point that weighs the heaviest in my mind and would, if anything, make me biased:  The fact that the OPP felt they had enough evidence to arrest and charge a top ranking military official with at least two counts of first degree murder says volumes. I feel that the OPP would never publicly, with such speed, be able to charge someone of that high military stature without having all their ducks in a row. Politically, publicly, military wise, media fallout- it would not seem something that would/could be done haphazardly. From there, as a public member, I would still only judge the case by what was able to be presented in court legally. With faith that the system was to work the way it was designed.

I think the public is more intelligent than just what they read in the paper and discuss. To muffle the public's ability to learn, understand, CARE, prevent, and properly protect themselves by putting a media blackout and a stop to public discussion, would make a community I wouldn't want to live in for all the criminals would be protected, and all the public would be living life in a dangerous fantasy world. Nor would the public have as much respect for their police authorities, the legal teams or the justice system.

General Discussion / Re: Being almost a victim of a crime personally
« on: March 05, 2010, 11:15:29 PM »
Cape, I am really sorry to hear about your sister. It is a shame when people feel their personal safety can be in danger. I am glad she is OK.   In the spirit of sharing some a tip, I heard one the other day that was interesting. They said that people carry mace around to spare them a few minutes of time to react. But the story I read said that hornet and wasp spray is more effective. They said people will keep a can on their counter in kitchens (probably if no little children are around) or at offices on a desk. It looks like a regular bug spray but it is actually used because the spray can spray up to 20 feet, and the effect is similar to mace. Not something you could keep in a hand bag, but an interesting tip, nonetheless.

As far as being approached, I was once told by a police authority that one of the biggest mistakes people make is looking people in the eyes and acknowledging them as they are passing by. They say this makes a person approachable. As opposed to someone that has less than welcoming nature. It is sad a sad day when people have to act a certain way.

Russell Williams / Re: Russel Williams: crimes and victims
« on: March 04, 2010, 08:18:27 PM »
There was a story posted February 10, 2010 by Columnist Mike Strobel from the Toronto Sun that interviewed one of the women who survived the alleged rape by Williams. He interviewed her after Williams' arrest. It turns my stomach when the article reports that she did not know Col. Williams, but to say hello. The article clarifies, "Shortly after Christmas, she drove past his front yard on Cosy Cove Lane. She waved. He waved back."  It makes you wonder how a person like Williams can live with himself and his actions?

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