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Billsdaughter, I'm sorry you are going through this. But, why I'm writing this is to say, even when found we often really don't have answers as to how and why. I don't know if that makes any difference for you. Just thought I would share in case it would.

When I look at the details in this thread, one thing stands out. If Bill did escape to another life and leave all of you behind due to financial difficulties, a lot of time has passed. His financial difficulties should no longer be a burden or hinderance, or a legal issue, to him allowing you, his child, to have at least some peace in life. I would like to leave a message for your father in case he finds this thread: If you are out there, William "Bill" James Lawrence, what would it take at this time to lend some peace to your daughter? Set her free. That's some kind of love for your child to have for you to want to know if you need to be found, if she should keep searching. Give her at least that. Contact her and let her know. You can set boundaries, discuss that you have a new life now, or whatever is your concern. But, do one huge favor for mankind and give her something that can take away the need to keep searching. Set her free. Let her live her life, especially if you have been able to live yours. It's a tough pain to wonder if there is someone out there that needs to be found. Set her free. Let her move on.

The same can be said for any possible friend or connection that may also have answers. Choose to be humane, take the burden off your conscience, and let Bill's daughter gain peace.

And, billsdaughter, here's a few thoughts to offer to you on your search:
  • Don't just rely on the one DNA database. Be proactive and have your results entered into both the Canada and U.S. national missing person and unidentified database. Have them assign a case number and case details into their databases. Make sure they include your DNA information as well. This is new technology since your father's disappearance that tries to cull all the details of cases that need to be solved. As they upgrade, the system is able to provide matches, or those who find people are able to match details to missing person cases. 
  • You may want to add the DNA information to other DNA ancestry databases as well, because they don't all share information. Having your listing in some of the majors may expand your reach of finding relatives and answers, with or without your dad's disclosure.
  • There are now DNA experts (search "Forensic DNA Experts" for databases of these people) who devote their life to helping to give families much needed answers. Finding missing persons, and connecting family. They have access to more databases and ways of connecting your sample to the many resources out there. Most of these experts are hired to research and give legal testimony in court, but they have people on staff that do their groundwork... maybe someone at that level is more affordable. Some of these DNA experts do so publicly as part of a television or news show (search "genealogy television shows" or "tv shows researches dna to find answers"). If the story is interesting enough and successful in their finds, they sometimes do this pro bono in order to enhance their programming and their reputation in successfully finding others. Either way, a DNA forensic expert has many, many tools at their disposal more efficiently than you or I to find the answers you are looking for. May be worth a try.

Hope this may help. I'm sorry that you are still searching. There is peace in knowing your loved one doesn't need to be found any longer. I hope you may have your answers soon. Good luck to you.

Thank you, Have Faith and Lost. I came on Unsolved today to post something new, and noticed your thoughts. Thank you for the kind words.

Oddly, while here a song came up in my newsfeed. Penny's sister and brothers called her "Sissy" as she was the youngest sister. This song in my newsfeed is named "Sissy's Song" by Alan Jackson.

Sometimes, I guess, you just have to listen.

I'm thankful for this site, a place we can go where people understand. Thank you.

Sissy's Song by Alan Jackson

Thanks @Debbiec. My guess is that since it says there have been 4,743 or so posts on the thread, that they are somehow still around albeit hidden. (When on this thread, a message in the URL says "Not Secure" while other pages don't have that warning.) Ironically, if you search his little name in Google (outside of this site), you get the same thing... crickets. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that any and all mention of the case has for some reason been scrubbed. But, by who? And, for why?  What saddens me is that maybe one day, hopefully, he might search his name. It would have been nice if he knew how much he was loved, searched for, and perhaps something in the details would click and make him seek help. (Remember the Hornbeck case? The online activity - knowing his family was still looking for him - kept him going.) There is always hope.

If he would ever find this thread... I think I would say to him.. find help, make it "home" and you will find so many will come to help. Reading over these types of stories, I am reminded that sometimes perps "groom" the child into thinking they can't come home because someone big and bad will hurt them or their parents and the child has to feel like a martyr and go it alone to save his family. Well Kyron, Sweet Pea, if you are out there... people are ready to help. Make it home. They'll take it from there.

Wouldn't it be nice if the DNA databanks were set up so that those that are missing are entered into the database... relatives DNA and all... so that alerts can register when a person receives medical care? I wonder how many children would be found? Especially when school requires vaccination records. Perhaps I'm just dreaming today... of a day, a way... Kyron can come home. You are not forgotten, little one (not so little anymore, hopefully).

I was feeling a little meloncholy today, not quite sure why. It's spring and another change of seasons, I guess. I took a walk around the yard and noticed tulips where they weren't suppose to be; popping up in the middle of the lawn, between the bushes, peeking out from behind view. That's when I remembered that Penny's parents use to have tulips in their garden. They purchased a new plant every year they were together. Their tulips were so resilient and hardy. These Tulips today looked cute and carefree all over the lawn. Perhaps a squirrel carried them to their new destination; replanted them. Who knows.

My mind wandered from Penny's parents to Penny. I still feel so much relief that she was found. I wonder what it would be like if she were still here? I know people don't live forever, but does that mean that we can't wish they did sometimes? In mid-May it will be five years since Penny was found; 10 years since she disappeared. I know I've always said during our search that I just wanted to know that she didn't need to be found. That she wasn't hurting. I'm truly thankful for that. But, it is days like this that I always ask "Why?" A part of me still needs to know what happened. When they found her, the authorities spoke directly to her next of kin, her children, but not to Penny's siblings and family. We really didn't get the full story. Even if we did, I don't know if we ever really do get closure. None of us asked to be put in this position but have been left to deal with it in our own way. Sometimes, I just wish I could let it go....

But Penny is up in heaven with her parents, and we are down here with crazy and carefree tulips all over the yard. Replanted, and I don't know why. But, somehow I feel there is a message in that. I think I'll leave them be - cute and carefree.

What happened to all of the posts on this thread?  The post says over 4,709 reads, and only two pages of posts. Those of us who cared so deeply for the welfare of this little boy wrote numerous posts, share many many links.

Kyron, we haven't stopped thinking about you and praying for your safety.

General Discussion / Re: Just in Case You Need Some Hope Today
« on: April 12, 2019, 10:35:06 AM »
Sometimes you just have to trust a parent's intuition.

Tony Lethbridge knew his son Sam and his habits - he wasn't the type to just disappear. When after 24 hours, his 17-year-old failed to reach his destinations or home and he didn't call or return text messages, he knew his son needed help. Tony and his wife reported him missing to the authorities. "The police officer actually asked us what do we think," said Tony, admitting that his wife didn't hold back. "My wife actually said, 'I think he's in a ditch or something, bleeding out.'" Sam's mother Leigh recalls, "I wanted to be positive with all my heart but my brain was telling me this may not have the happy ending." The authorities, according to Tony, told the couple to "go home and wait" for his son to return home. For Tony, that wasn't good enough.

Call it a wonderful connection with his son, or learned experience, or intuition... actually, call it whatever you would like... but sitting home was not the answer. You see, Sam was an apprentice electrician who had simply set out early Sunday morning to drive a friend to Wyoming on the New South Wales Central Coastline of Australia. Then Sam had plans to meet his girlfriend and had even texted her that he would see her at noon. But, nobody had heard from Sam since. By day's end he was missing. Sam's friends recall he was a bit tired when he set out for his drive, so the parents initially searched for hours along the Pacific Highway route that is well-known for fatal crashes. And after 24 hours, his parents sought assistance from the authorities. "It's out of character. It's not him," Tony told Sydney Morning Herald his reaction to the authorities rationalizing that his son might have run away, done this, or could have done that.

Tony also had a hunch that his son may have had an accident and was lying injured somewhere without the ability to gain assistance. He felt time was running out. He even recalled that six years earlier a man traveling the same roadway veered off the road and into a ditch and died from his injuries as no one found him in time (five days later). He realized there were points in his son's drive along Pacific Highway that would be hard to see an accident in the roadside brush or during the route's dangerous stretch. So Tony went to NSW-Hunter Region helicopter firm's reception area and begged for help. He needed an aerial view of the roadside trip. "I knew Sam might've been driving tired and if there was a chance he'd veered off the road in about the same place. I had to check."

Upon arrival, Skyline Aviation office at Lake Macquarie Airport offered up Pilot Lee Mitchell and the ability to leave immediately. Even though Tony brought his hard-earned $1,000 AUD as a payment offer, no payment was accepted. It was decided that Tony's motion sickness would keep him grounded, while Tony's brother Michael would fly with the helicopter crew. Within ten minutes they located debris that lead to Sam's crashed Hyundai. Sam was trapped in thick bushland at Crangan Bay, south of Newcastle.

The helicopter stayed in the air to guide Tony and emergency services to the accident site. They found Sam alive, conscious, severely injured, bleeding, in pain, and dehydrated having been pinned at the waist against the dashboard for nearly 30 hours. It took emergency crews four hours to extricate him. He suffered spinal injuries. His right arm was broken, his right elbow dislocated, and right thighbone had pierced the skin. "Dad, I'd love a drink," he said. (I can't imagine what that moment felt like to his dad.) Tony jumped in joy and it was at that time the helicopter crew and Sam's uncle also knew Sam was alive. Sam would require intensive care, six surgeries and a year of rehabilitation.

"The doctors said they don't think Sam would've lasted much longer out there if we hadn't found him when we did," Tony said, relieved.

With two stories in hand, Tony would like to bring attention to the police about their missing persons protocol.  "We've done a number of search-and-rescue operations and they don't always end up as positively as this, so it's good to have a win," said Mitchell, a pilot with 18-years experience flying missions. Mitchell thought perhaps he can offer additional experience to Tony's plea for swifter action by authorities in missing person reports. Maybe, Sam (the victim) can offer a word or two, as well. It makes us appreciate the authorities that take inquiries serious and act immediately. We know, in our hearts, they are busy but our loved ones may be holding on with all they have.


Maybe it's just a feeling but I will say that I don't think she wandered off in to the woods on her own never to be found. The main reason I feel this way is actually the cigarette butts in her car. I just know this is a strange occurrence ....she was not a fan of smoking - no matter what her mental state.

Just curious, ::anna, do you know if the cigarette butts were ever tested for DNA? Also, do you get access to the file after 20 years?

The FBI Will Pay You $50,000 To Crack This Cold Case
By Meagan | Shared | Aug 23, 2017

In 1992, Tammy Zywicki disappeared. The Iowa college student was driving from her home in New Jersey to college when she was last seen alive on August 23, 1992. She was standing next to her broken-down Pontiac T1000 on the interstate.

Her car was found abandoned by a state trooper that afternoon, and that evening her mom reported her missing.

Zywicki's body was found a week later in Missouri, wrapped in a blanket and covered with duct tape. She had been stabbed and strangled.

Witnesses say they saw Zywicki on the interstate, with a tractor-trailer parked behind her car. Others say it was a pickup truck, not a trailer.

The Investigation

The FBI worked with state police to form a task force to try and solve Zywicki's case. They looked at any possible relations to other cases. Any truck or tractor driver suspected in other murder cases or sexual attacks were looked at. The search spread from California to North Carolina, but nothing showed up. One year after the investigation started, the task force disbanded.

But now police think they might have a lead, and they need your help.

New Technology

One week before the 25th anniversary of Zywicki's disappearance, the FBI is reaching out to the public for help in finding her killer.

"After 25 years, the murder of 21-year-old Tammy Zywicki remains unsolved, but the FBI and the Illinois State Police believe new techniques for testing DNA may help reveal the killer’s identity," the FBI posted on Facebook.

“These cold case homicides are always difficult cases,” said Lt. Jeff Padilla, an Illinois State Police detective who has been working on the investigation for the past six years, “but this case has so much evidence that still exists, it should help us be able to bring justice to Tammy and her family.”

The bureau now has access to new forensic techniques for DNA extraction, and believe re-testing the 200 pieces of physical evidence they have could help crack the case.

“I’m hopeful this new technology will help us,” Padilla said. “I am convinced the DNA and the suspect are in the case file. It’s just a question of finding them.”

That's where the public comes in. Many of Zywicki's items are still missing, such as her Cannon 35mm camera, a wristwatch with an umbrella on the face, and a distinctive patch issues by Zywicki's soccer team for only one year. All of them are believed to have been kept by the killer. The FBI is hoping people who might recognize these items step

“There continues to be a $50,000 reward offered in this case,” she added. “Even after 25 years, a concerned citizen doing the right thing can help us solve this case.”

JoAnn Zywicki

Though it has been 25 years since her daughter was killed, JoAnn Zywicki is not giving up hope of catching her killer.

“I’m glad to see they are pursuing that,” she said. “It’s good to see the FBI and the Illinois State Police working together.” She added that her daughter’s tragedy “has brought a lot of attention to how many cold cases we have, and that’s important.”.

“It always amazes me how many people remember Tammy in different ways,” she said. “She did make her mark. She would have been a very successful person. She was well rounded and had a lot of interests, and she was very motivated.”

If you have any information on Tammy's disappearance, you are encouraged to contact your local FBI office or submit a tip online.

Source:  Shared

General Discussion / Re: Just in Case You Need Some Hope Today
« on: January 14, 2019, 01:00:34 PM »
Sometimes they grow up fast and escape.

Escape, she did. Right into the arms of a stranger walking a dog and some protective neighbors. Then boldly to police and FBI. Eventually, to the arms of her aunt Suzi Allard, grandfather Robert Naiberg, Aunt Jennifer who babysat her for 11 years, and seven other relatives. She made it home. SHE made it home.

Her name is Jayme Closs and she's 13 years old. Little is yet known of what happened in the 88 days she went missing from Barron, Wisconsin, on Monday, October 15, 2018. Her parents (father James, 56, and mother Denise Closs, 46) were murdered in their home. Someone called 9-1-1 from her mother's phone, perhaps her mother's last attempt to save her daughter Jayme. No one spoke, but the dispatcher heard yelling. Police would arrive to find the parents dead, the girl missing, and little clues as to what happened.

The community came together in those crucial days. The family, friends, school authorities, law enforcement and community, at large began searching for the missing teen. Some 2,000 volunteers (two-thirds of Barron's population) searched. Organizations offered assistance from around the country that formed as a result of other missing or murdered children who had been through this type of ordeal before. Who would do this? They really didn't know. They certainly didn't give up. But, they didn't have the answer even though they knew the stakes were high.

So, what does it take to find a missing girl when the clues just aren't surfacing? A determined young girl, apparently. Despite having witnessed her parent's death, and everything she went through in those 88 days of captivity, she had the strength to find an opening, escape without a coat or gloves in the Midwestern chill, seek assistance from strangers, meet with law enforcement to describe her abductor, and we can only imagine what else. In the end, she would be reunited with her aunt, her grandfather, and her dog Molly. She made it back. SHE made it back.

It's not quite home, the way she knew it. But, it's her new, bright future. Her grandfather and aunt say she is doing well, smiling and talking a little, but at times she goes blank to another place. It may be a while before she meets with her friends or returns to school, although she says she wants to and is more than welcome. We can believe the best mental health authorities will be working with her to bring her out of that dark space, and with family, friends and school officials to bring her into the future. What a wonderful little miracle she is; they all are. Someday she, as well, will feel her strength and beauty like we do. Yes, Jayme, you are beautiful and no one or no circumstance can ever take that away from you. You did it Jayme. YOU did it!

And, with your escape, Jayme, you gave us all relief. A little hope. A reason to believe. A path to restore faith. You've given others who may unfortunately find themselves in similar situations a great example of what to do and why. Hope that maybe a few more others will find their way home, too. Now it's our turn to make sure Jayme feels the same - relief, hope, belief, and faith against all odds. We send our thoughts, strength and prayers.

We have yet to know her story, perhaps never really will. Authorities are getting what information they can, when she is ready to provide it. And, that's okay for now. The alleged perp Jake Thomas Patterson, 21, who is believed to have kept her hidden in a cabin in the woods near Gordon, Wisconsin, was arrested and charged with two counts of first-degree intentional homicide for killing Closs' parents and one count of kidnapping Jayme, and armed robbery. Upon arrest, he admitted to police, he did it and upon further interrogation provided vivid details. Perhaps more charges will surface as more is discovered and evidence processed. Or, maybe, for Jayme's sake they won't - to spare her and in knowing the charges already provided are good enough to put him away and save what dignity Jayme has remaining. Upon conviction, he will likely be the one to spend many, many days in captivity now. Life without parole, perhaps. Rightly, so.

To the woman walking her dog in the right place, at the right time... bless you. For the couple in the nearest house who not only took them in immediately, but took measures to protect them... bless you. To all those who never stopped looking and responded immediately... bless you. To Jayme's parents who raised her to be strong and have the power to act... bless you. Now, we'll give our best wishes to the law enforcement and legal teams to secure the appropriate justice, while Jayme and the community begins to heal.

Just know, Sweet Jayme and family, there are many of us standing shoulder-to-shoulder with you. Hang in there, get well and thrive! Sadly, you've been through enough already.


Was wondering (a bit unrelated to the last couple posts), if Sonia was dating at the time, could there have been a jealous girlfriend/wife of the dates that hired a hit? Any money arrangements or phone activity of those involved with her dates that could cause reason for concern? This would not necessarily be a person from the community that was DNA tested. The door key could have been obtained unknowingly from the boyfriend/husband. Or, remember, there are reports that she use to keep doorwall/door open to let pet out.

If she was dating, was she using a dating site? Any chance a person rejected may have been involved?

Just trying to think out of the box again.

Regarding the geneology records, can a relative of Sonia's request (through proper authorities) a sample to be processed through a geneology search in a state that allows it?

USA & Other / Re: Baby Brianna Lopez death 2002
« on: September 26, 2018, 06:22:11 PM »
Baby Brianna was repeatedly and severely assaulted and abused during her short five-month-old life span.

Her mother Stephanie Lopez received 27 years in prison. She was released early (13 years into her sentence) on September 21, 2016 and received a two year probation that ended this week. Her mother's boyfriend and Brianna's father Andy Walters, received 57 years in prison.
Her uncle (and mother's twin brother) Steven Lopez received 51 years in prison.
Her grandmother Patricia Walters and other uncle Robert Walters Jr received 60 days in jail.

Brianna was born in February 2002 prematurely and died in July. In that short time, Brianna was reportedly tortured, assaulted, thrown, dropped, bitten, pinched, beaten and raped and sodomized. She had bite marks, both legs fractured in two places, a fractured arm and broken ribs, her skull was fractured in two places, lacerations to her fingers, blood shot eye sockets, and bleeding to the brain that was both old and new.

There were no smiling baby pictures of Brianna in the house or signs that the baby had any joy in her short life, so a lead investigator took a picture of Brianna at the time of the autopsy and edited to hide the bruises to give a first look of the baby without any harm. New Mexico would go on to pass child abuse bills in her name. Town's people paid for her casket, her burial and claimed her body when nobody else did. Her gravesite became a memorial with dozens of toys, flowers and sentiments that Brianna's family didn't approve of so her "family" put a cage over her gravestone. It set there messy, unkempt and full of trash.

Mourners still visited and placed flowers around the cage. They also made another memorial site for people to visit that the family couldn't destroy. They have gathered at her resting place on birthdays and anniversaries, including what would have been Brianna's 10th birthday, 12th birthday and more. The family wanted her to be left alone and her story forgotten, but to this day people have vowed to keep her story alive and still tell it. Their message: if you see child abuse or suspect it, use your voice as the young one may not have a voice... speak up and speak out. Save a life.

Her name was Brianna Mariah Lopez, she survived from Valentine's Day February 14, 2002 to July 19, 2002. She was too young to die, too small to save herself. She managed to survive daily abuse for 153 days. She rests in peace now.


USA & Other / Re: Etan Patz - Age 6 - Murdered - May 25, 1979 - NYC
« on: September 26, 2018, 05:23:53 PM »
Pedro Hernandez, a former store clerk convicted of murdering Etan Patz who was on his way to school in 1979 was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. Some believe Mr. Hernandez is not guilty as the case weighed heavily on videotaped confessions he made to the police and prosecutor. Etan's body has never been found and no scientific evidence actually links Mr. Hernandez to the crime.


USA & Other / Re: Lisa Irwin, 10 month old: Missing Kansas City, Mo
« on: September 26, 2018, 05:17:06 PM »
October 3 will be the seven year anniversary of the date little Lisa Irwin, then 10-months-old, disappeared from her room. If she is alive still, she may be enrolled in school (or homeschooled). The fact that we haven't found her body, may bring hope that someday she can found alive.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have created an age-progressed photo of what she may look like today.

Sad thing is, she may never really know that her current parents are not her real parents and that a whole nation is looking for her.

Source (with pictures):

Penny Meek, Thomas Brown's mother, has asked that the Texas Attorney General be handed the case that has been handled by Hemphill County Sheriff's office. She gathered 7,500 signatures to back up her request.


USA & Other / Re: Baby Doe 4 years old - Massachusetts - June 2015
« on: September 26, 2018, 04:45:41 PM »
Michael P. MCarthy sentenced to 20 years to life in prison for the second degree murder of two-year-old Bella Bond. His lawyer claims McCarthy is the innocent man and Bella's mother Rachelle Bond was the perp.


Rachelle Bond, sentenced to time serve (less than two years) and was released from jail for disposing of her daughter's remains. She was released from jail and ordered to go directly to a residential substance abuse treatment facility. She pleaded guilty in a deal with prosecutors to a charge of being an accessory after the fact.


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