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Years of stories about the cop/husband disposing of June was deliberately (imo) muddled for years in order to cause confusion and keep the murder unsolved forever.  However, one story really stuck with me all these years:  https://www.capebretonpost.com/news/local/man-claims-he-witnessed-disposal-of-glace-bay-womans-body-in-1976-7441/

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GLACE BAY — While walking through a field off Reserve Street, Cecil Mills turned white and began to shake.
"It's giving me chills," he said.

Mills, raised in Glace Bay and still living in the area, said he believes he witnessed the burying of June Hibbs' body 38 years ago.

The Cape Breton Post accompanied Mills to the area recently as he attempted to find the location.


Although it's all overgrown and looks different, he believes he found the general location where she was buried.

"I believe I'm within metres of where she was buried," he said while standing in a small pit in a field off Reserve Street, with a rocky bank behind him.

"I never really came back here again after that day. I couldn’t.”

June Hibbs disappeared from Glace Bay in March 1976. The body of the 32-year-old mother of four was never found.

Her sister, Diane Campbell, was convicted of manslaughter and served four years in prison. June’s husband, John Hibbs, a former police officer, was also charged but was not convicted. He has since died.

Mills said he's coming out with his story now because he's tired of hiding and living in fear.

"For the last 40 years this has been on my mind everyday," he said.

"Knowing someone was buried there, I had to keep it quiet for my own safety."

Mills said he also wants to help the family that has been searching for Hibbs' remains all these years. He said if anyone is questioning the truth in his information he's willing to prove it.

"I'm willing to take a lie detector test or go under hypnosis," he said.

Mills said it all began one night in August 1976 when he stayed overnight at his brother Cyril Mills' former house on Reserve Street. He woke up between 7:30 a.m. and 8 a.m. and headed out the back door to the field behind the house to pick blueberries.

He remembers following a rugged walking trail and hearing voices.

"I could hear people hollering and cursing, but I couldn't see a soul. Everyone was hollering and swearing at the same time, like in a panic."

Mills thought at first someone needed help. As he got closer, he said, he could see an opening through the brush. He said there was a bank and on the wall of the bank was a shaft door. Mills said he knelt down behind brush so no one could see him.

"I was curious what was going on."

He saw a dump truck and counted about six people at the scene. He said all their faces were covered — except one — not in a way to disguise themselves, but rather over the nose and mouth, as if trying to seek relief from an odour.

Mills said he watched as the men removed a green tarp, which reminded him of army tent material, from the truck.

"It was obvious a body was in it. You could clearly see the human form. I'm 100 per cent sure."

He saw a man holding a wooden box walking backward as a wire was unwinding from the door opening in the bank.

In the meantime, five people jumped in the dump truck and took off.

He said he watched this man detonate the device.

Mills stayed out of sight until everyone was gone. 

He told his family what he had seen but they urged him not tell anyone.

"My mother was reading about everything (about June Hibbs) in the Cape Breton Post. She said, 'You could be killed over this.' My parents made me swear to keep quiet.”

Eventually, his parents and brothers told him he should to go to the police, so he went to the Cape Breton Regional Police and to the RCMP.

"For many years later, I thought it was all being investigated so I just backed off and let the investigation work itself."

June's son Blair Hibbs, who was 13 at the time his mother disappeared, said he has spoken with Mills and believes his information is credible.

He now lives in Ontario but has never stopped looking for clues about his mother.

"I'm confident (Mills) has seen a body being disposed of and I'm fairly confident it's tied to mom."

Hibbs said that about 12 years ago his cousin suggested he talk to Mills. Hibbs had several phone conversations with Mills.

"During those interviews I was able to ascertain this man saw a body being disposed of."

Hibbs, who says he's done police training and worked in the private investigation sector at one time, said he then flew back to Cape Breton to meet with Mills in person.

"I was trying to make a connection with mom's remains and the remains that he seen."

He then took the information to a member of the RCMP.

However, Hibbs said the officer was in a different department and didn't deal with this type of case.

"It could have been fluffed off because of Cecil’s demeanour and disposition, the way he communicates sometimes.

“Cecil specified seeing the body wrapped in what reminded him a green army tent, “ Hibbs said.

"My father had a green tent that we pitched in the yard for family when they came from Ontario. It leaked all over the place. I clearly remember that tent."

In 2011, an excavation took place in a totally different area, on the property of Seaview Manor, after remains of a dog similar to the age and breed of a family pet of the Hibbs family that went missing at the same time as his mother, were discovered.

Nothing came from the excavation.

Hibbs said that over the last five years, two other people have approached him with information on the night his mother went missing.

Hibbs hopes Mills' coming forward might prompt others with information to do the same and is appealing to anyone who can help to contact him at 1-519-624-7653.

Sgt. Al LeBlanc, media relations for the RCMP, couldn't provide specific information on the case, but confirmed that because June Hibbs' body was never found, it remains an open file.

"I can tell you whenever someone brings forward information related to a case, we receive it, assess it and investigate it thoroughly to determine its relevance, regardless of how much time has passed," he said.

LeBlanc also confirmed the RCMP have no plans to dig or excavate at any site to look for Hibbs' remains. He said it’s important to remember that two people were charged in relation to Hibbs' death, with one person found guilty of manslaughter and the other person acquitted.

Desiree Vassallo, spokeswoman for the Cape Breton Regional Police Service, said the Hibbs case was never a regional police investigation, and for that reason is not a case they are investigating.

smontgomery@cbpost.com

"It's giving me chills," he said.

Mills, raised in Glace Bay and still living in the area, said he believes he witnessed the burying of June Hibbs' body 38 years ago.

The Cape Breton Post accompanied Mills to the area recently as he attempted to find the location.

Although it's all overgrown and looks different, he believes he found the general location where she was buried.

"I believe I'm within metres of where she was buried," he said while standing in a small pit in a field off Reserve Street, with a rocky bank behind him.

"I never really came back here again after that day. I couldn’t.”

June Hibbs disappeared from Glace Bay in March 1976. The body of the 32-year-old mother of four was never found.

Her sister, Diane Campbell, was convicted of manslaughter and served four years in prison. June’s husband, John Hibbs, a former police officer, was also charged but was not convicted. He has since died.

Mills said he's coming out with his story now because he's tired of hiding and living in fear.

"For the last 40 years this has been on my mind everyday," he said.

"Knowing someone was buried there, I had to keep it quiet for my own safety."

Mills said he also wants to help the family that has been searching for Hibbs' remains all these years. He said if anyone is questioning the truth in his information he's willing to prove it.

"I'm willing to take a lie detector test or go under hypnosis," he said.

Mills said it all began one night in August 1976 when he stayed overnight at his brother Cyril Mills' former house on Reserve Street. He woke up between 7:30 a.m. and 8 a.m. and headed out the back door to the field behind the house to pick blueberries.

He remembers following a rugged walking trail and hearing voices.

"I could hear people hollering and cursing, but I couldn't see a soul. Everyone was hollering and swearing at the same time, like in a panic."

Mills thought at first someone needed help. As he got closer, he said, he could see an opening through the brush. He said there was a bank and on the wall of the bank was a shaft door. Mills said he knelt down behind brush so no one could see him.

"I was curious what was going on."

He saw a dump truck and counted about six people at the scene. He said all their faces were covered — except one — not in a way to disguise themselves, but rather over the nose and mouth, as if trying to seek relief from an odour.

Mills said he watched as the men removed a green tarp, which reminded him of army tent material, from the truck.

"It was obvious a body was in it. You could clearly see the human form. I'm 100 per cent sure."

He saw a man holding a wooden box walking backward as a wire was unwinding from the door opening in the bank.

In the meantime, five people jumped in the dump truck and took off.

He said he watched this man detonate the device.

Mills stayed out of sight until everyone was gone. 

He told his family what he had seen but they urged him not tell anyone.

"My mother was reading about everything (about June Hibbs) in the Cape Breton Post. She said, 'You could be killed over this.' My parents made me swear to keep quiet.”

Eventually, his parents and brothers told him he should to go to the police, so he went to the Cape Breton Regional Police and to the RCMP.

"For many years later, I thought it was all being investigated so I just backed off and let the investigation work itself."

June's son Blair Hibbs, who was 13 at the time his mother disappeared, said he has spoken with Mills and believes his information is credible.

He now lives in Ontario but has never stopped looking for clues about his mother.

"I'm confident (Mills) has seen a body being disposed of and I'm fairly confident it's tied to mom."

Hibbs said that about 12 years ago his cousin suggested he talk to Mills. Hibbs had several phone conversations with Mills.

"During those interviews I was able to ascertain this man saw a body being disposed of."

Hibbs, who says he's done police training and worked in the private investigation sector at one time, said he then flew back to Cape Breton to meet with Mills in person.

"I was trying to make a connection with mom's remains and the remains that he seen."

He then took the information to a member of the RCMP.

However, Hibbs said the officer was in a different department and didn't deal with this type of case.

"It could have been fluffed off because of Cecil’s demeanour and disposition, the way he communicates sometimes.

“Cecil specified seeing the body wrapped in what reminded him a green army tent, “ Hibbs said.

"My father had a green tent that we pitched in the yard for family when they came from Ontario. It leaked all over the place. I clearly remember that tent."

In 2011, an excavation took place in a totally different area, on the property of Seaview Manor, after remains of a dog similar to the age and breed of a family pet of the Hibbs family that went missing at the same time as his mother, were discovered.

Nothing came from the excavation.

Hibbs said that over the last five years, two other people have approached him with information on the night his mother went missing.

Hibbs hopes Mills' coming forward might prompt others with information to do the same and is appealing to anyone who can help to contact him at 1-519-624-7653.

Sgt. Al LeBlanc, media relations for the RCMP, couldn't provide specific information on the case, but confirmed that because June Hibbs' body was never found, it remains an open file.

"I can tell you whenever someone brings forward information related to a case, we receive it, assess it and investigate it thoroughly to determine its relevance, regardless of how much time has passed," he said.

LeBlanc also confirmed the RCMP have no plans to dig or excavate at any site to look for Hibbs' remains. He said it’s important to remember that two people were charged in relation to Hibbs' death, with one person found guilty of manslaughter and the other person acquitted.

Desiree Vassallo, spokeswoman for the Cape Breton Regional Police Service, said the Hibbs case was never a regional police investigation, and for that reason is not a case they are investigating.

smontgomery@cbpost.com
You can read that story and watch the man tell it in the video (as long as the powers that be don't get it removed somehow).

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I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS EVER FOLLOWED UP .OR PURSUED IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF FEAR OF REPRISAL
          sounds like it was "tough guys" or else belonging to tough people.... or worse yet, someone involved who has status in the community! 

BTW December,  you might want to hit your caps lock key - usually 4th key up on the left of your keys.   :)

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I wasn't quite sure where this thread could go; but seeing as the boys' bodies were found in Maine, USA I was hoping that readers and members from our sister site, living in the northeastern USA, might catch this topic and be able to help.  Please listen to the story.

https://omny.fm/shows/nighttime/the-three-cape-breton-boys-on-the-tracks?fbclid=IwAR0n2SYe-uTI-aqEVqPXG7DUyzFLZD3VH5MHetgBCFSbgU6BOYZckilADeI#description



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... beautiful logic faith!

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sorry Deb;  no, it was meant for a response to Concern's post.  I made the mistake of addressing wellwell.  I'll edit my response there.

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good post wellwell!
...... sorry here;  I meant that for Concerned.

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You guys;
I've always wondered if, once it was considered possible that the poi may have first set his goal for a figure skater - the blonde in the newspaper prior -did the investigators go back and question all possible people involved in any way (no matter how little the involvement) about the poi asking the first girl to babysit ... I mean, did he target a blonde girl? etc.   I wonder if this guy asked anybody at all, what Kelly looked like etc.   ... just a thought!  There is always the possibility that what this guy had perceived or fantasized what his blind date would be like, was not what he got... she wasn't his type.  (propensity for blondes?) He couldn't just return her home.... no cell phones back then, so he couldn't fake a phone call and make up an excuse that the baby sitting had to be called off for whatever reason, and he must take her back home.... it was too late!  he had to kill her anyway at such a point.  :(

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makes sense wellwell!

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Why, oh why, have we never heard details of the specific kind of rope used in Kelly Cook's murder? Kernmantle rope was first manufactured in 1953.

Good research wellwell;  and good question, also.

There's a lot of questions unanswered in Kelly's case... and tho the case remains open because it is homicide,
 it seems holding back information at this point has gotten nowhere.  I could be wrong about that, because keeping back a detail or important fact that only the killer would know, is logically the wise the right thing to do. However, describing the rope, the cinder blocks etc. might just turn on a light in somebody's head. ... as something they always noticed at a particular place or purpose of use. 

I still have haunting thoughts about the claim that Kelly wasn't raped.  .. meaning did a well meaning doctor in a town full of heart-broken children, teens, and parents, think it might be the best way to handle it , sparing the pain of at least one gruesome act on this innocent girl?  .. or perhaps "no rape" was just an educated guess that was due to extreme decomposition and/or less than adequate forensic tools at the time?  :-\  ... or is it possible that police hoped at the time, or were determined at the time, that they might find where Kelly was held and murdered, ... perhaps confiscating hair or fiber that could be traced to Kelly by means of blood match technique at the time - and that could have also had evidence of her killer with it.  That is a fact I've always tried to figure out.

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Point taken JB;  but most facebook pages seldom include a link or proof of facts.  Therefore; I think the police would not take such pages as seriously.  I could be wrong because there are many, many well-laid-out facebook pages, which I hit on all the time.  ... pages used by serious people with organized articles and blogs;   but the majority of facebook is personal pages with no logic or organization.   :-\

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This thing about the site host change and all of the lost information was a terrible thing to have happen. I do wonder if there is still more to it than we know. Zero new members here on the site for all of 2019 ?? Something seems way wrong with that. Posts are dwindling to near zero on most days. Before it fades entirely, perhaps we the last surviving members could mention that we are willing to consider doing some fund raising in order to take over the site in the future instead of just killing it off?


I must confess that I always expect the "powers that be" and the many site vendors out there, are definitely in the position to "take out" whatever may be displeasing to them.... or in the case of police, whatever is not sanctioned by them and/or whatever makes it look like they are "missing the boat" when it comes to cold cases and suspects.  Grant it;  the police have unlimited access to throw out a net and troll for suspect matches that suit their cases ... whereas, we hobby sleuths can only research and dig into the news, facts and tips we find online. 

However, it is uncanny how much we expose, that police don't ever get to.  For example:  Bill Christensen, serial killer from the US.  He traveled much the same path as Terry Arnold down south.... could have easily been an acquaintance of Arnold while in Florida.... and/or may have "rubbed off on Arnold"... but Christensen was very pragmatic and into planning and dragging out "the ruse".  ... It has always struck me odd that the suspect who abducted Kelly used that name... and carried out a typical "Bill Christensen" murder. :-\  I'm still not convinced that Christensen was "on ice" in a Montreal jail those weeks that Kelly's murderer drifted in and drifted out~~~  and Christensen's old man was well practiced at getting little Billy magically in and out of jails and country boundaries.  ... access to money, plane flights, passports and other documents at the drop of a buck .. or an order!
- Point being:  Police almost never dig up all the stuff we dig up on murderers and serial killers....They never even considered the "real Bill Christensen" as far as we know.)  ... nor, all the individual facts and details only found through months and years of dedicated digging.  So if I was in the shoes of these police, I would certainly use every tool at my disposal to eliminate great details such as mug shots and little-publicized facts that us amateurs reveal on sites like this.  Shame .. Shame~   ::) ::) ::) ::)



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Hi D1; 
Will you refresh my old failing memory as to the validity of Terry Arnold's confession;  I can't recall without digging again, as to where and when it was considered a confession.  I know it was publicized more than once, he was looked at for Kelly's murder.   ???

On the other hand, although the suspect I am entertaining was never looked at by police because in all these years, they claim the RCMP staff involved could never actually get to address the case because the revolving RCMP members kept changing every few months ... ergo, not having the time or getting "rooted" long enough to dig into the massive case  .... even though, that suspect's own family members suspected him way back then.  It doesn't seem as though they were trying to get even with him;  to the contrary, it seems that once he was convicted of molesting his own little daughter for years, they finally could stand up to him, and go to the RCMP with what they knew and long-feared about how he looked just like the suspect composite (not generically, like most other suspects) and he had the motive (obsession with young girls) and plenty opportunity to have been there at that time, and the exact cocky, over-confident behavior, attitude, and tenacity as the original suspect.  .. that is something I cannot ignore.

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.... D; I know we spent too many pages on this thread already going back and forth about Arnold .. that's fact.  and we all have our own "prime suspect/s" for Kelly's death. 

As far as Arnold, I see him as a great candidate for the crime except for two things:

-I can't perceive him as planning and calculating consistently for the number of days Kelly's abductor/killer stuck with, in order to get his hands on what he hoped might be "a duplicate of one particular figure skater he was obsessed with".  I can see Arnold have the same obsession, but not being stable enough to put in that much time to achieve his goal.... and Arnold would never have finished with the girl without raping her... that's Arnold!!! 
-Also;  I cannot imagine Arnold being in the position to be driving that splashy car (which he would have needed to know for sure he had access to it, prior, while he was putting the baby sitting ruse in place.... and I think Arnold is more the type that would just stalk and grab his intended victim all at once, not drag out the plan.  ... and if the car was "lined up, and stolen) just for that night, I expect the owner of the car would have reported it missing and/or come forward with some suspicion that it could possible have been their car.
 
However; I do think Arnold was/is a very likely
 suspect for scooping up Joanne Pederson in Chilliwack that rainy night outside the candy store. 

I still maintain that I've come across no better suspect for Kelly's murder than the one I've been entertaining since a few years now.
.... a guy who had access to that same type of car,
... an appetite for a young woman,
... frequented Standard and Hussier,
... was an avid lake fisherman and back-roads guy,
... was bold and cocky because he came from a "big business family" and had a powerful father (who had that same type of car) etc. etc. 
 

A few of us know who this guy is and also know from photos of him at that time, that he looked exactly like the composite photo.  We cannot display the mans photo, nor name him, because RCMP have already been informed since 4 yrs. and they still have not looked at this man for Kelly's murder.  His family background and his late father's heroic reputation in the community have kept him from being investigated all this time.

Just as is the cold case of Alexandra Wiwcharuck (The Girl From Saskatoon), when the authorities already know the most likely suspect and have been forced to consider them above the law, the case always goes cold!

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It was a waste  when so much of our research idea's, including pictures, vanished off this site... We have entertained different suspects over the years showing what they looked like.  For the sake of D1's post above, here is a reminder of Arnold's handy work;  the following extensive write-up/s say it all.  Arnold spend a long time around the Alberta area... very active in 1981.  http://www.mindytran.com/Arnold%20news%20stories.htm


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