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Is it possible that Sonia was attacked and killed by someone who quickly fled the country? Yes. Well, guess what. There is a history of Chilean gangs breaking into homes in the Halton area, including Oakville.

These people often dress like construction workers. Would they buy work clothes in Canada to fit in? Would they buy the most expensive work boots for this purpose? I don't think so. Would they own and register vehicles? I don't think so. It is said that they prefer to avoid violence, but what if they couldn't avoid it?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/14-chileans-arrested-in-2-7m-break-and-enter-ring-targeting-hundreds-of-toronto-area-homes-1.3872260

https://globalnews.ca/news/5078460/crime-tourism-canada/

The same thing is happening in the U.K.

In 2010, a Toronto woman was deported for affiliating with a Chilean gang in Canada. So obviously one gang has been around since at least 2010 in Toronto.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2010/09/22/woman_deported_for_tie_to_gang_she_never_joined.html

It is well past time to consider all possibilities. It's almost nine years since Sonia was murdered. There were also gangs operating in Oakville in 2007..

https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2952633-gang-preying-on-north-oakville-youths/


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Are you familiar with the murder of Audrey Gleave in 2010? I don’t know if there are any commonalities between these two cases.

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The list of crimes solved using DNA websites keeps on growing. Take a look at the impressive number of cases cracked by family tree genealogy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_perpetrators_of_crimes_arrested_or_identified_with_GEDmatch.com

Family Tree DNA has now entered the fray.

Will Sonia’s killer’s DNA be submitted? It only takes one relative to step forward and submit a sample to one of these sites.

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Was Kelly Cook's case ever run through the American trucker/serial killer database? Talk about an exact match for the composite sketch:

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/truck-stop-killer-bruce-mendenhall-is-spotlighted-on-grave-secrets/

If only the log books were available.



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FWIW, he dropped her off at a bus depot in Winnipeg, lost.

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As the anniversary of Kelly Cook's murder approaches yet again, I wonder if there is any significance to the fact that the anniversary and spring road bans occur at about the same time. Could this be what brought Kelly's killer to town? Was he a trucker?

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interesting wellwell !  When I get a chance, I'll look for a younger pic of him if I can find a certain old link I had years ago.  In the meantime, I can't help but wonder "what girls" he took pictures of.... also; if there is any record of the amount of time he spent on his victims, age group, preference, etc. 

I'm guess this is a place to start.... meaning if the following link will lead to contents or reports of the case against him at the bottom of the following page.  (will dig more this week)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ben_Rhoades

and here are some references Wikipedia used:  maybe they'll work

 "The Truck Stop Killer". GQ. November 2012.
 Cooper, Greg (2007). "Murder-One Jurisdiction at a Time: The Case of Robert Ben Rhoades". Forensic Examiner. 16 (4): 66–68. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Robert Ben Rhoades" (PDF). murderpedia.org. Retrieved July 8, 2015.
 "Trucker Admits to More Murders". ABC News. 30 March 2012.
 Reavy, Pat (June 25, 2008). "Texas town to try case involving Utah body". Deseret News.
 "'Torture chamber' trucker sentence to life in prison". The Telegraph. March 30, 2012.
 Karen Brandel. "Cover Story: Dead End (February 29 - March 6, 1996)". www.tucsonweekly.com. Retrieved 15 July 2017.
 The People of the State of Illinois v. Robert Ben Rhoades, 259 Ill (1994).

And:

"He is additionally suspected of torturing, raping, and killing more than 50 women between 1975 and 1990, based on data about his truck routes and women who went missing during those years and who met the profile of his preferred victims. At the time he was caught, he claimed to have engaged in these activities for 15 years."

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I do hope that police on this side of the border look at the possibility that Robert Ben Rhoades was cruising Canadian highways. Look at the major truck routes, and truck stops.

I referred back to lostlinganer's post #195 in this thread. That may be why a guy like Rhoades would find himself in a place like Standard, cutting down a side road to make a delivery, and the truck broke down. It wouldn't be unusual to have to wait around for a couple of days for a part to be delivered via Greyhound, then wait for the part to be installed. Over load limit trucks also use side roads where they know police are patrolling.

It was the early days of Rhoades' career. Kelly fit the age profile of his victims, and where she was found was a fishing spot. He had a thing for fish hooks. I'm sure he settled on a method after a while. I hope police remain open-minded, even though this forum has a preferred suspect.

So many things have changed since 1981. Even Greyhound is gone in the west. Do we remember if the restaurant in Strathmore was a Greyhound depot or near one? I think Rhoades could have been attracted to bus depots for victims. In small towns, they were often little more than a building that opened for an hour when buses were scheduled to arrive and depart. In smaller towns, passengers were dropped off on the side of a road or at a gas station. Ironically, Greyhound bus drivers went on strike on April 22, 1981.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/04/23/Some-1400-Greyhound-Bus-Lines-workers-are-prepared-for/5803356850000/

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Can you find any information that suggests he was ever in Canada as a truck driver?

Personally, after reading about Robert Rhoades I can't say that I feel Kelly's murder fits his MO.

Yes, debbiec. I posted a link to an article about an Alberta woman who has been in touch with U.S. authorities. She says she is the mystery woman whose photo was found in Rhoades' apartment and featured in a GQ article about him. She said he picked her up near Regina in 1985. She described details of the cab of his truck. He has only been found guilty of murders in the 1990s, but authorities said he had been driving truck since at least 1981. They suspect many more murders. 1981 would have been early in his (trucking) career. It is possible his methods changed as he became more succesful.

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For starters:   a little thin in the face at the time... but maybe had lost weight. 
 Here he is in 1980 and the truck he was driving.  https://search.proquest.com/openview/386f4f0dc899bc7960fee3adeb6034ab/1?pq-origsite=gscholar

and here is a 1990 documentary (FBI) that tells the basic profile:  https://youtu.be/_IlAKyVynFU?t=65

That image is from 1990 when he was 44 or 45 years old, so it's likely he had more hair in 1981.

He did let a woman go. She escaped and contacted the police.

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A Google image search of his full name brings up images of him earlier in life. He does resemble the composite sketch, glasses and all.

He kept some of his victims for extended periods of time. He preferred teenage girls, especially runaways. He liked to cut their hair. He gave some victims a chance to escape. That is perhaps the most compelling thing. Remember the call from the pay phone in Hussar? Rhoades enjoyed terrifying his victims.

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Where was American Robert Ben Rhoades in 1981? We know now that he did drive his rig through Canada.

https://aptnnews.ca/2019/02/24/alberta-woman-recognizes-herself-in-photo-found-in-u-s-serial-killers-truck/

“A Thunderchild First Nation woman made a chilling discovery online that could help police in two countries discover more about a convicted serial killer‘s activities.

“Hey, that’s me,” said Pamela Milliken to her then-boyfriend back in 2015. “He was like, yeah right.”

Milliken, now 52 said she was browsing through Facebook and she came upon a post asking for help identifying a young Indigenous woman in a photo found left in the semi-truck of “The Truck Stop Killer” Robert Ben Rhoades.

Rhoades is currently serving life sentences in Illinois for three murders. He pled guilty to the first degree murder of 14-year-old Regina Walters in 1992 after investigators found haunting photos of the teenager...”

https://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/utah/ci_2640124

This article states:

“Using a computer database, the FBI attempted to determine whether Rhoades - a long-haul truck driver since at least 1981 - was connected to other violent crimes around the country. But the FBI was unable to charge him with anything else, says Lee, who is now retired.

When the FBI tried overlaying Rhoades' trucking records with unsolved homicides, "there were a huge number of possibilities" but not a lot of evidence, Young says. "We really felt like he was responsible for other crimes."”

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Thanks, jb. There really was a lot going on in terms context in Orangeville and area in 2010. It is not comforting context, either.

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Adding interesting items from Orangeville news:

https://www.orangeville.com/news-story/7146117-review-launched-into-sexual-assault-claims-deemed-unfounded-by-orangeville-police/

https://www.orangevillepolice.ca/blog/2017/04/20/orangeville-police-reviews-unfounded-sexual-assault-cases/

"Your Orangeville Police, at the request of Chief Wayne Kalinski, has completed a comprehensive review of all sexual assault cases that were classified as unfounded since 2010.

Chief Kalinski requested the review after a report in the Globe and Mail newspaper criticizing police services across Canada regarding sexual assault investigations that ended up being classified as “unfounded” between 2010 and 2014. The review was conducted by officers from the services Criminal Investigations Bureau, under the direction of the Staff Sergeant of Operations.

Thirty-eight sexual assault incidents were re-opened and reviewed. Reports were reviewed by trained sexual assault investigators and complainants/victims were contacted directly by the officers to discuss the incidents.  All of the victims reported that they were satisfied with the outcome of their respective investigation.

The administrative portion of the review identified that the clearing and classification of several incidents was not in line with Stats Canada definitions. As a result, twelve incidents remained classified as “unfounded”.  These incidents remained as such when the investigation determined that police were not able to form the required grounds to confirm that the offence of a sexual assault had indeed been committed.

The process also included the implementation of an Orangeville Police Service Sexual Assault Review Team, made up of members the service’s management team and Criminal Investigations Unit as well as civilian members from Dufferin Child and Family Services and Caledon Dufferin Victim Services. The Sexual Assault Review Team assisted in the auditing process and approved the results of the review.  This team, initiated as a result of this review, will continue to meet to review all future reported sexual assault cases.

“I want to assure the public that the Orangeville Police Service has and will continue to treat victims of crime with the utmost respect and that investigations will continue to be conducted in a professional and complete manner”, said Chief Kalinski.

Posted on April 20, 2017"

Why 2010? Why would there be a problem with the rate of sexual assaults deemed unfounded by police in Orangeville? Does this indicate a broader problem? Do we know if Sonia ever filed a police report (other than noise complaints) and if so, how was it handled? Back in the day some police departments didn't respond to "domestic" calls, or took their time getting there.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/4036570-cyclist-wanted-in-orangeville-sexual-assault/

Note the use of a bicycle.

There was a rash of indecent act cases in Orangeville following Sonia's murder, including one in a Walmart, and one in the early morning in a park on Marshall Crescent.  There was this:

https://www.southwesternontario.ca/news-story/5800856-police-seek-man-who-committed-indecent-act/

Sonia worked in Newmarket. This case of indecent acts in parking lots of area malls in 2010 is of interest. Criminal harassment, too. Did someone follow Sonia home?

https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/mobile/police-looking-for-more-witnesses-to-indecent-acts-1.1511432/comments-7.448598

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The problem here is that in Part 1... the early news accounts are stating that Sonia’s car WAS found with front doors and trunk open.
Like I mentioned....this is niggling at me ever since I read about Rhoderie’s murder (solved crimes).
I realize that the two perps arrested for Rhoderie’s murder would have been too young to have done this to Sonia,..but it just got me really wondering why they murdered Rhoderie....random?
Hopefully answers come out in the trial..
Maybe it will shed some light on Sonia’s puzzling murder...although the police never did say they had DNA from two perps...but then again, they really haven’t been that forthright with info.

Yes, the doors were open in early reports. Then that issue became muddy. There were also reports of evidence found in garbage bins in Orangeville. That, too, became muddy.

You're right about other crimes, that one in Toronto included, possibly providing insight, even if not related to this crime.

When jellybean mentioned peeping toms, I started looking into it, and learned that in some cases, peeping toms enter a victim's home prior to entering it when the victim is home. They will unlatch a window, or unlock a door that isn't used often, and leave. This allows them to re-enter the victim's home later with little effort, and no sign of a break-in. Doesn't that sound familiar?

Lest we forget, Russell Williams started out stalking victims as a peeping tom. He entered homes (sometimes through basement windows) when the victims were out, and later escalated to sexual assault and murder. He used "jogging" as a cover.

Paul Bernardo also started out as a peeping tom.

All things to consider.

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