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London / Re: Jacqueline Dunleavy, 16, - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
« on: February 23, 2016, 10:02:55 AM »
A lawsuit has been filed regarding the CPRI.

I have always felt "creeped out" by that place for some reason, and to this day believe there are too many tie-ins with some of the murdered children for it to be all a coincidence.

Maybe some information will come forward as the lawsuit progresses. There was testimony in other lawsuits from victims, although I don't believe anyone was ever charged as a result.

Perhaps the police should be looking at staff who moved from one place to another within the system.

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 17, 2013, 04:38:24 AM »
One comment from a poster on a Globe and Mail story about the lawsuit.

In 1976 I volunteered at the Ontario Hospital south of Aurora. Legislation had unlocked the institution to the public. The adult men I was assigned to were developmentally around 18 months old the same age as my daughter. When I came to see them they would line up to be hugged. No one who worked there would touch those people. They had no upper or lower teeth..they pulled them randomly for 'safety'...there were no programs for these men...they were warehoused in a manner that was worse than chickens....I cried every time I left the building. I was ridiculed by the staff for treating the patients like human beings... I was ultimately fired for becoming too 'personal' with these desperately lonely mentally challenged men. I still weep today reading your article...

The post makes me wonder that if the allegations are proven to be true, will the perpetrators be named and held responsible?

I think it is important that the government doesn't "settle" without the public knowing who was involved, because anyone working there with such little regard for others must have deep problems of their own.  These alleged abuses were reprehensible. If these things were happening on a continual systematic basis, and people were fired for showing compassion to the patients, the deplorable conduct of the health workers had to have been condoned by those in authority.

This kind of systemic abuse is top down.............not bottom up.

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 17, 2013, 04:22:19 AM »
I was reading that Mrs. Harrison received a letter the day after her birthday, which had a red ink stamp on it that said............

Past Due. We are Looking For You.

Having lived during the era of wooden stamps with metal ink pads...........I remember seeing some that said Past Due............for bills etc, but am curious as to why a stamp would also include the words.........we are looking for you. The stamp would have been quite long, which would have made in rather distinctive.

It feels like a more humorous attempt to retrieve something, rather than a notice from a bill collector.

Perhaps over due library books? Any thoughts?

I also read that Mrs. Harrison received a sympathy card, similar to the ones distributed for free in funeral homes. I wonder if the police ever checked the card for fingerprints, or could locate the funeral home from which the card came? Did they check into recent funerals that were attended by suspects?

And lastly........for this post, the Crown presented a handwriting analyst at the trial. His testimony was that he could neither rule out the writing as the same as the suspect or confirm it was the same.

I wonder if another look at the handwriting today, with improved scientific techniques, including ink analysis and electron magnification could give a more precise analysis.

So many questions..............

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 17, 2013, 03:47:29 AM »
Some people have expressed an interest in what the conditions of the CPRI institute might have been in the 1960s.

I remember the Ontario Hospital, and the CPRI as rather dark and scary places.

My dad's father was devastated by the death of my grandmother. He retired from the railroad and began drinking heavily. He suffered a stroke and was taken to the Ontario Hospital for treatment. He was admitted and within two months my dad was advised the Public Trustee had taken over all his affairs and had sold his father's home and a cottage in Northern Ontario. They sold both properties at far below market value. The cottage on a small island, all boats, hunting gear and all equipment were sold for $300 and the legal and sales costs were deducted from the my grandfather got nothing from the sale. My father went to his local MP John White to no avail. The MP said the Public Trustee had the absolute power to do anything they want. The Public Trustee claimed they sold the properties to ensure my grandfather's medical bills would be paid. My grandfather left the hospital a few months later, and lived happily with my parents for another 12 years before he passed away. The sale of the cottage most affected my father, because my grandfather had built it and my dad and grandfather had spent many years up there together........hunting and fishing. I always held a deep resentment as well and many years later I stood on the island one day with a 2 gallon can of gasoline..........contemplating burning the place to the ground. Better judgement prevailed thank goodness, for I couldn't blame the current owners for what had been stolen from our family so many years before.

Note the bolded part..........because in those days, the prevailing attitude was the Public Trustee and the hospitals had absolute power over anyone who was unfortunate enough to be institutionalized. In those days, people could be kept against their will, simply on the orders of one doctor.

In related news............A class action lawsuit was launched in 2010 against the Ontario government for the treatment of patients, including young children, at the Huronia mental health facility in Orillia, Ontario. The abuses are alleged to have occurred from 1945 to 2009. A couple of scathing reports by a government auditor didn't seem to affect many changes over the years.

If you read the articles...........what is alleged to have happened is deeply troubling. Beatings, sexual abuse, parading children around naked are all mentioned in various articles. It was truly a living nightmare, especially for the children.

The lawsuit has gone through all the steps and is going to be heard at trial in September of this year.

No doubt it will be very much in the news.

Some links.............there are lots more by seaching........"Huronia lawsuit"

And now apparently................there are lawsuits against more facilities. The abuse is alleged to have been very widespread.

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 14, 2013, 10:34:16 PM »
There are so many unanswered and confusing questions in this case, that it is difficult to keep the timelines in accurate chronological order.

Perhaps it would be possible to establish one thread as a place to enter, arrange, and affirm all the information on the same page.

The thread could be started, people could post their entries on another post, and a moderator could merge the information with the main post, which would keep it to one main post and un-merged posts only.

Just a thought........

The Justice System / Re: Our Justice System
« on: August 14, 2013, 06:56:01 AM »
Years after adopting minimum sentencing laws, the US has announced they have been a failure and are eliminating some of them. Our current government is intent on following the US path.......despite the US acknowledgement that minimum sentencing and the "War on Drugs" have been a dismal failure.

Norway has a totally different approach to incarceration for crimes, and they have excellent results.

Canada should study and adopt their methods...............and discard the failed policies of the US.

Everyone wants safer communities. The question is the best way to achieve that goal.

The Justice System / Re: Release 0f Sex Offenders:::
« on: August 14, 2013, 06:28:03 AM »
There have been remarkable advancements recently in the study of the human brain.

Researchers recently found ways to track the neurological pathways in a teenagers brain, and they discovered the brain performs a substantial amount of re-arranging information at that age, due to the physical expansion of the brain mass. The discovery explains a lot about the perplexing behaviour of many teenagers. The comparison was made to moving thousands of books from a small room into a much larger room at random, and then quickly try to find the information needed in one of them.

Perhaps one day, researchers will discover how to medically redirect the pathways of those with an affinity towards sex crimes, hopefully even before they offend.

It is either that.............or keep building prisons forever.

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 13, 2013, 09:04:22 PM »
I have gone back and re-read the LFP reporting on the trial.

The first thing that struck me is why so much of the trial on the assault on Mrs. Harrison, involved the Jackie English abduction.
It seemed to sidetrack the trial from it's intended focus, and I cannot recall any other case where a judge allowed so much testimony into a trial that had nothing to do with the charges against the accused.

For what reason did the judge allow any of it to enter into the trial. Why did the Crown attorney allow any of it, because it not only served no purpose within the context of that trial, but laid bare a lot of evidence the police and Crown had on the JE abduction.

By allowing all that information into the trial and public domain, all the witnesses would have been tainted for any future legal action. Defense counsel could easily have argued the witnesses should not be allowed to testify in the future, lest an accused not receive a fair trial.

The defense appeared only too happy to play along, get possible future evidence out into the public view, and muddy the assault trial with a lot of evidence totally unrelated to the assault on Mrs. Harrison.

Had the Crown focused entirely on their evidence of the assault.............the outcome may have been different. Instead they spent most of their time on matters unrelated to the charges against Mr. Fryer.

From what I have read thus far............there are really only two possibilities.

Either Mr. Fryer was guilty of the assault charges, which begs the question as to why he would feel Mrs. Harrison was a threat to him.


Mr. Fryer was not guilty, Mrs. Harrison was lying in whole or in part, and trying to protect someone else.

London / Re: Jacqueline Dunleavy, 16, - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
« on: August 01, 2013, 07:06:23 PM »

I posted on the JE thread, that perhaps explains the reason the police felt JD knew the person who picked her up.

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 01, 2013, 06:56:20 PM »
I am sorry to say that I just can't recall the details of the car well enough to say with any confidence.

I do remember they knew the specific make, model and color of the vehicle.

I understand what you are saying about the legality of presenting relevant evidence in a court. My parents were convinced the two girls abductions were related, and didn't comprehend why all the evidence couldn't be heaped on one table for the courts to sort out. They just didn't understand the complexities of the law.

I have wondered myself, why information regarding that car sighting was never released to the public.

The only two things I could come up with are.........police incompetence (where a police officer disregarded the information), or the police investigated the car and it was picking up someone other than JD (my dad's friend was right about the pick up......but wrong on the identity of the girl).

A third option is that the police knew who owned the car, but based solely on that one eye witness they couldn't lay charges of kidnapping and murder. When Mrs. Harrison arrived as a witness in another case, possibly involving the same person of interest, the police believed they may be close to having enough information to prove charges, and then the assault on Mrs. Harrison happened, which distracted the process to the trial over that incident. The police may have believed they had a slam dunk case, and once completed they would have the time to gather more evidence. The not guilty verdict disrupted that plan. and with the fire at Mrs. Harrison's home, the police were back to not enough proof to lay charges.

Aside from the legality of heaping unrelated information into a trial, there is also the legality of the police informing potential witnesses of information on other cases as well. Generally, they have a need to isolate witnesses to their own testimony, to avoid a future defense lawyer from suggesting the witness testimony was tainted by information the witness gained from the police.

Perhaps "compartmentalization" of the different parts.............led to problems overall?

London / Re: Jacqueline English - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
« on: August 01, 2013, 04:48:58 AM »

I had no idea this website existed, or that there are ongoing conversations regarding these unsolved murders. I hope my comments won't waste your time.

I remember the cases well, and my mother and father had a particular interest in the Jackie Dunleavy and Jackie English cases, because they knew someone involved as witnesses in both cases.

My father's best friend was sitting in his car at the corner of Wharncliffe Road and Stanley Street in front of the variety store. He was being held up by a car that was blocking the road and he was getting irritated by it. The driver of the car was having a discussion with a young lady standing on the sidewalk, and eventually she got into the car. I can't honestly remember if the event happened the night of JD disappearance or was sometime before.

My dad's friend was so irritated that he noted the type of car and the licence plate number.

When JD was reported missing, he recognized her picture and told the police the information.

My dad told me later who the car was registered to.

My dad also knew Mrs. Harrison as an acquaintance. My dad said she knew something about the missing girls, and was going to be a witness. When the attack on her happened, she was certain who it was who attacked her. My dad said she attributed the dog to saving her life. After the attack, dad said she was getting many threats and had a police officer staying in her home for a period of time. Then there was the sudden fire.

Dad could never figure out why his friend's information was never brought up in court, and actually never heard anything about it again. He also could not understand where her police escort was when she was attacked. As far as he knew, they were supposed to be with her to protect her as a witness. I recall my dad saying that Mrs. Harrison was terrified at the prospect of testifying.

I also learned by reading the JD thread, that her body was found near the CPRI.

You folks know much more details than I do, and perhaps this is all old news. If so, I apologize.

Thread content changed to exclude names.

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