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Thanks lost :)

good post wellwell!

Was this meant for Kelly's thread lost?  :)

@Concerned: This started when we could no longer find the original thread for Kyron. Cape contacted me when she could not find it. I searched at that time and could not find it either.

I haven't commented on this case for a while, but did see a case tonight that seemed similar in the way he disappeared. I wanted to post it on there, but cannot find it. How do I find a case when I can't remember the name of the city he was from. Can someone tell me how to get that case up so I can comment on similarity in the disappearance of Kyron and this other case. It is just a comparison, the crime has been solved, but the body was never found. Thanks.

I'm at a loss on this one cape. I've searched this site over and can not find it either. There is no reason why it would ever have been taken off. It's not something that we normally even do with an open case.

Nice to see you here ::anna. It's heartwarming to know that there are people who have not forgotten and who continue to try and find out what happened to Brianne. I'm happy to hear that there is still information coming in that you forward to Police. It only takes one tip and we can hope that someday that will happen. I especially wish for some type of closure for her family, and also her friends who have never given up on finding the truth.

Also, I want to thank all the people who were good to me on this forum! I didn't realize how crazy things could get behind the scenes but I made some good connections here. So, if I didn't thank you for everything before, I am giving you a heartfelt thank you now! :)

I have learned from all my years on this forum that there is so much more than what we see on the surface here that goes on behind the scenes. 

A lot of the members have become very involved with specific cases that they are interested in, or have a connection to. In some cases there have been some real and lasting connections made with other forum members. Some have connected with family members of a missing or murdered person.

As someone who's been involved in a few of the cases here I can agree, that yes things can certainly get crazy behind the scenes. You can also meet a lot of good people.

Can you find any information that suggests he was ever in Canada as a truck driver?

Personally, after reading about Robert Rhoades I can't say that I feel Kelly's murder fits his MO.

This is what I was able to find in regard why the sting was accepted in one case but not the other.

Handlen confession to murder of second girl ruled inadmissible

According to a pre-trial ruling released Tuesday, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Austin Cullen found Garry Taylor Handlen’s confession to murdering Kathryn-Mary Herbert to be inadmissible.

The jury that convicted Garry Taylor Handlen of murdering 12-year-old Monica Jack did not hear during the trial that he had confessed to the slaying of another girl.

When Handlen, now 71, was arrested in November 2014, he was charged with Monica’s first-degree murder from May 1978, as well as the September 1975 first-degree murder of 11-year-old Kathryn-Mary Herbert.

During a police sting known as a Mr. Big operation, Handlen first confessed to undercover officers posing as members of a criminal organization that he had killed Monica.

Then, two days later, he admitted he had also killed Kathryn-Mary Herbert, who went missing while walking home in Matsqui.

About two months after her mother reported her missing to police, her body was found under a piece of plywood in a remote wooded area on the Matsqui First Nations reserve.

An autopsy revealed she had died of “blunt force trauma” to her head. She had a skull fracture and a broken jaw.

Handlen confessed to the undercover officers that he had picked her up in his vehicle, had sex with her, and then strangled her before accidentally driving over her body and then disposing of it in an “Indian graveyard.”

A day after his confession, he showed investigators where he had picked up the girl in his vehicle, an area which generally corresponded to where she was last seen walking alone.

He also showed police where he killed her and left her body, a location which corresponded to the remote area where the body was found.

But during a pre-trial hearing, Handlen denied committing the murder, saying he was familiar with the area and had gotten information about the Herbert homicide from newspaper accounts and documentaries on the case.

And because the confessions were made during a Mr. Big operation, they were deemed presumptively inadmissible, requiring the Crown to establish on a balance of probabilities that the probative value of the confessions outweighed their prejudicial effect.

In a ruling released last August and posted online Tuesday, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Austin Cullen found that Handlen’s confession to the Monica Jack homicide was admissible, but questioned whether the confession to the Herbert homicide should proceed to trial.

“Although a willingness to confess to the abduction, rape and murder of an 11-year-old child, in most circumstances, is a powerful indication of the reliability of that confession, the circumstances are somewhat different,” the judge said in his 138-page ruling.

“The accused had already confessed to the abduction, rape and murder of a 12-year-old girl in the hope and expectation that he would be saved from the consequences of a looming investigation into that homicide.”

The circumstances surrounding the confession to the Herbert homicide were therefore “considerably more likely to inspire a false confession” to that murder, added the judge.

The presence or absence of supporting evidence was therefore important in assessing the reliability of the confession, said the judge.

With several exceptions, none of the evidence the Crown put forward as supporting evidence negated Handlen’s story that he got details of the crime from media and documentary accounts, he said.

“The evidence establishes that the accused was prone to strong embellishments,” said the judge, adding that he was unable to conclude the confession achieved sufficient reliability or probative value to offset the inherent prejudice created by the Mr. Big technique.

“I accordingly decline to admit the evidence of the accused’s confession to the Herbert homicide.”

The judge’s decision was subject to a publication ban, resulting in the jury at the trial not hearing details of Handlen’s confession.

In January, Handlen received the mandatory sentence of life in prison with no parole eligibility for 25 years for the murder of Monica Jack. The judge then dismissed the Herbert murder charge.

Mekayla is pictured below

Mekayla has been missing for almost three years now. Below is an account of what is known about the last day she was seen.

This article is extremely long, but is an interesting read. I have only posted a small portion of it. There is more to view at the link.

From CBC News:
The text message came to Shelby Hnatuk’s cellphone at 10:12 a.m. CST on April 12, 2016. It was from Mekayla Bali, a classmate at Sacred Heart High School in Yorkton, Sask.

Bali, who was 16 at the time, had sent the message from somewhere else in Yorkton, a quiet prairie town.

Hnatuk wasn’t there to read it. She’d left her phone behind when she went to school that day. She only saw it once when she was back at home and the school called to ask if she had seen Bali.

When she checked her phone she found two messages.

The first was “Hey, I need help.” The second, sent about 20 minutes later, said, “Nevermind I figured it out.”

Reading those messages, Hnatuk had no idea Bali would soon be gone without a trace.

“By ‘I need help’ I would have thought ‘I need a ride somewhere.’ I don’t know, ‘I need help with an assignment’? I never would have thought ‘I need help,’ like, I’m running away and not coming back,” Hnatuk said.

“It’s a hard feeling, not knowing if she’s alive or not.”

"I wish I would have paid more attention."

- Shelby Hnatuk

Bali’s texts to Hnatuk are among a series of cryptic communications Bali made on April 12, 2016, the day she vanished. Those messages, along with surveillance footage taken at several locations around Yorkton, have baffled the investigators tasked with finding her.

Telus has records of some of the messages Bali sent that day, but there are no records of numerous phone calls she appears to be making in the surveillance footage.

Nobody seems to know who Bali was calling that day. Friends say she sometimes used apps — some anonymous — to communicate. In the past she had struck up friendships with people online, including some outside Yorkton and at least one in the U.S.

RCMP investigators have used the surveillance footage to piece together Bali’s last day in Yorkton. Her movements seem erratic. She walked to various businesses around town, at times appearing to be looking for someone and trying to get money. At one point she talked to some friends about going on vacation to Regina. She asked a stranger for help booking a hotel room.

Their investigation led them to people Bali met online, old friends, a box of flowers delivered to her school and a person who claimed to be her father.

Using newly-released surveillance footage and exclusive new details from the RCMP, CBC has created a detailed timeline of Bali’s movements the day she disappeared: who she was talking to, where she went, how she was behaving and what she said.

Police also opened up about some of the leads they followed and the challenges of finding a teenager whose last known communications appear to have been made using social media apps protected by U.S. privacy laws.

Other BC Locations / Re: Natasha Lynn Montgomery - Deceased - Still Missing
« on: February 03, 2019, 12:36:48 PM »
Truly, this Legebokoff should stay in maximum security forever...we don’t want him around...he doesn’t belong in society, ever again.
Just like they have been doing with Bernardo..hopefully they keep it up.

I believe at least part of the reason it is unlikely that Bernardo will be released is due to the fact that he was designated a Dangerous Offender.

This clip taken from the link below:

More can be read at the link.

Can be imprisoned indefinitely

He was also given dangerous offender status, the most severe designation in Canadian law, for admitting to raping 14 other women and other charges related to Mahaffy and French. Dangerous offenders can be imprisoned indefinitely.

Danson said he received the letter on June 25 and has been corresponding with the authorities since then.

It's rare for people convicted of first-degree murder to also be designated dangerous offenders, since first-degree murder already carries a life sentence.

•Key events in the Bernardo/Homolka case
•What the 'dangerous offender' label means

Danson believes the dangerous offender designation must be dealt with first, rather than the murder charges.

"There is a process that's set up for dangerous offenders to persuade the parole board that you're no longer a dangerous
 offender, which is different criteria than normal parole board criteria," he said.

"That must be dealt with first."

He said the authorities are working with him to figure out the proper process.

Stigma of dangerous offenders

Michael Mandelcorn, president of the Canadian Prison Law Association, which advocates for prisoners' rights, said the stigma of a dangerous offender designation inhibits any chance of parole.

"There's a huge amount of time that goes by before somebody normally gains a release on a dangerous offender designation," said the Kingston, Ont.-based lawyer. "And those people are few and far between."

Over the last nine months there have been numerous searches in the effort to find Ryan. These have included both ground searches (some using search dogs) and air searches. There have been many more searches, by many more people, than I have ever seen on any other missing persons case in all the years I've been doing this. Imo that can be attributed to the fact that his family has been  relentless in making sure that his face and name stay in the public eye, and that he is not forgotten.

All efforts have failed to turn up a trace of Ryan.

He remains missing.

General Discussion / Re: Amber Alert Saskatchewan, Alberta, Manitoba
« on: September 17, 2018, 09:51:02 AM »
Thankfully Emma has been found safe.

John Doe is pictured below.

I certainly hope someone recognizes him. He probably has family/friends who are missing him.

Other BC Locations / Re: Marrisa Shen - 13 - murdered - Burnaby, BC
« on: September 11, 2018, 09:34:16 AM »


Police say Ibrahim Ali, who arrived in the country 17 months ago as a refugee from Syria, was arrested in Burnaby on Sept. 7.

There really needs to be a proper vetting process for refugees.

I totally agree Sap. Who is living among us?

Other Alberta Locations / Re: Lyle and Marie McCann part 2
« on: August 23, 2018, 10:22:21 AM »
Date scheduled for Travis Vader’s appeal of manslaughter convictions
By Jennifer Henderson  Aug 22, 2018

A court date has been set for the appeal of Travis Vader’s manslaughter convictions in the deaths of two St. Albert seniors.

Vader, who is currently serving a life sentence in the deaths of Lyle and Marie McCann, is slated to come before the Court of Appeal of Alberta on Nov. 28.

Vader was convicted of manslaughter in the deaths of the senior couple in 2016.

The criminal trial of the disappearance and deaths of the McCanns spanned six years and was finally wrapped up with a life sentence on Sept. 15, 2016.

The McCanns were last seen filling their motorhome with gas in St. Albert on July 3, 2010, before setting off on a planned trip to visit with family and camp on the West Coast. Their burned-out motorhome was found near Minnow Lake campground, southeast of Edson, two days later.

Their bodies have never been recovered.

Vader was originally convicted of second-degree murder by Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Denny Thomas in the deaths of the McCann couple. Thomas relied on a section of the Criminal Code, which had been deemed unconstitutional by the courts 26 years earlier. The verdict was eventually substituted for two counts of manslaughter.

Vader was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for seven years.

In January 2017, Vader’s defence lawyer, Brian Beresh, filed the documents for an appeal, stating that Vader is looking for a stay of proceedings on the sentence or an acquittal. If the matter was to go to trial again, Vader would request his case be heard by a judge and jury.

Yes, I'm still safe eyes :). Thank you for thinking of me.

I would absolutely evacuate if I was told to. I have a few things ready if that were to become the case. Vehicle gassed up and ready also. 

Keep yourself safe in Ontario too.

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