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Title: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Desespere on October 14, 2007, 01:35:14 PM
Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 - Age 16 - Missing - was last seen at approximately 8:30 PM on as she walked down Highway 16 towards her home near Highway 40 in Hinton, Alberta. Following her disappearance, articles of her clothing were found near the Athabasca River, but she has never been recovered. At first, authorities suspected that she had run away, but after the articles of her clothing were found, they were sure that she had fallen prey to an "opportunity killer," with no connection to Bacsu. Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0; 90 lbs
Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair; brown eyes.
Medical Conditions: Bacsu has rhumatoid arthritis and a hearing impairment.
Marks, Scars: Bacsu has freckles on her face and a small scar on her forehead.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing a gray jacket, a purple sweater, a red sweater, blue jeans and blue/gray cougar runners. She had a ring with a green stone, opal stone earings and a necklace with two red hearts.
Dentals: Her teeth were in perfect condition at the time of her disappearance
AKA: Shelly Anne Urban

Shelly appears to be the only Alberta victim on the Highway of Tears probe list. She was recently added.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=0e6cb020-92a7-4e86-8005-4c0ad7e09b5f
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? Age 16 ? Missing - Hinton
Post by: Chris on October 14, 2007, 07:29:24 PM
Wow, another one I have not heard of. I wonder how many more cases are out there that are simular to this?

Great job Des in getting these, it clearly, as far as I am concerned, demonstrates there must hvae been at least one SK operating in this era.
Title: Shelly Ann Bacsu- Hinton AB 1983
Post by: kindheart on January 08, 2008, 09:25:53 PM
(http://www.bc.rcmp.ca/digitalAssets/1141_bacsu_shelly-ann.jpg)
Another child missing forever.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: MYSTIK on June 20, 2008, 07:18:49 PM
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH SHELLY AND I STILL TO THIS DAY THINK ABOUT HER I WISH SOME AWNSERS WERE FOUND    I STILL REMEMBER WALKIN ALL THE TIME AS THERE WAS NO BUS SERVICE IN HINTON AT ALL
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on June 21, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH SHELLY AND I STILL TO THIS DAY THINK ABOUT HER I WISH SOME AWNSERS WERE FOUND    I STILL REMEMBER WALKIN ALL THE TIME AS THERE WAS NO BUS SERVICE IN HINTON AT ALL


Sorry about your friend. It is a very sad case. I hope this one gets solved too. So many young people missing, it is very sad.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: maggie on December 02, 2008, 09:36:19 PM
Chris, this is the case that I'd been looking for.  Apparently, I was wrong about the remains found during the Hinton Mall construction belonging the Shelly. 
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2008, 12:01:31 AM
I guess no one has heard from her in over 25 years now. I don't suppose you know if most think she was a run away or was met with foul play do you?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: maggie on December 03, 2008, 06:48:46 PM
I have family in the area and none have ever heard a hint of a rumour of her running away.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Whitewolf on March 01, 2009, 12:39:29 PM
I also knew Shelly quite well. We dated when we were kids for just a couple of weeks, while we were in school. Her brother (Tim) and a few of us used to hang around together. I was shocked to hear what happened to Shelly and so was the rest of us. I still hope there is some conclusion to as to what happened to her, even after all these years. 
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Red Fox on March 02, 2009, 08:56:57 PM
I remember the whole town of Hinton being shocked by Shelly Anne's disappearance. Back then rumour had it that a local man saw Shelly Anne being pulled into a vehicle that night. Of course he wouldn't have known what he witnessed until later. I found it interesting that they added Shelly Anne's name to the Highway of Tears Investigations. I understand that they also contacted her parents for DNA samples in case they are ever needed. It makes me wonder if LE has someone in mind, but they need to gather more evidence to make the arrest. I sure hope this is the case, and with the advancements of DNA testing maybe this cold case will one day be solved.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on March 03, 2009, 05:17:43 AM
It would not surprise me if there is a person of interest the police have in mind. There have been lots of cases solved after 25 years so it could still happen.
Title: Re: Shelly Ann Bacsu- Hinton AB 1983
Post by: Chris on August 22, 2009, 11:48:14 PM
This was sent my a guest:

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I remember that day.My older sister was the best of friends with shelly ann.All i can say is I wish the best to the Family.They have been through enough.I can honestly say this.I do think of Shelly ann. I would like to know. It would give some closeure on this situation. Besides one less Creep on the streets is a good thing

It would be nice to kow what happened. By chance, do you know if anyone was suspected or if there was a solid theory?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: jbebeau on August 28, 2009, 10:03:55 PM
The missing person's report always seem to contain the essentials, as Sergeant Friday would say, "Just the facts, ma'am." There is always more to a disappearance than is reported, but a lot of it is conjecture or based on emotion. It often seems that these important details come out in news stories or interview, or on sites like this from people who were around at the time. Such is the case for me in relation to Shelly Anne Bacsu.

My family moved to Hinton right around the time of the disappearance. As someone already mentioned, she had an older brother named Tim, who worked with my dad. This connection provided more details in the case than were officially reported.

I do recall the rumor mentioned that he bones were found when they were clearing land west of Hinton to build the Parks West Mall. There were bones found, but apparently there were animal remains.

The finding of her clothes and textbooks by the river always mystified me. Was she taken there willingly? That would surprise me because she was supposed to meet her mom. She called her mom to get a ride home, and instead of waiting she decided to start walking and meet up with her. I can only imagine how her mom probably wished that she said at her friend's house and waited to be picked up.

I recall a detail that was reported in some places, and that Red Fox mentioned, that Shelly Anne got into gray van with BC license plates. I wonder if this is part of the basis for her being added to the Highway of Tears list.

I think the most eerie piece of information that I have heard was that the family was contacted by whoever kidnapped her. My dad told me the family was called late one might and told that they should stop looking for Shelly-Anne because they would never find her. Was it a crank call? From what I was told it was real, or at least the family saw it that way.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on August 28, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
I hope that was a crank call. How cruel though.

So it does seem she got into van and was never heard of again. This was after Clifford Olson was already caught, but the same MO even leaving belongings so they would be found just to confuse police.

Perhaps this case in BC... a possible POI might lead to more people becoming aware of these cases and maybe another tip might come in? 25 years is a long time, someone might have heard something and never told anyone.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on August 31, 2009, 12:15:54 AM
Hey Jbebeau, interesting to hear that someone remembers about this van.  I’d heard about it only because of a June 1983 article I came across recently.

By the way, in that article the van was described as "predominantly dark blue in color with a light blue roof", and with BC license plates.  Three occupants were seen in that van, which was stopped in the vicinity and at the time where Shelly Anne Bacsu was last seen, on May 3-1983.  This article has a RCMP composite sketch of the van driver (bearded man) and a second passenger was described as approximately six feet tall male, slim, with shoulder length blond hair.

The article added that "the RCMP were not channelling all their investigative resources on this information", but were hoping that this would lead to some other developments.

I find it strange that this van incident was not mentioned by the RCMP until over a month after Shelly’s disappearance.  Doesn’t look like this van was ever mentioned in this case afterward, and I wonder why.

Hope the answers are found in this case.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: bsauve on August 31, 2009, 12:08:03 PM
 :) hello  i was living in Hinton at the time of shelly-anne's missing. i have read all of what everyone had to say. i don't have anything to add but i really feel for that family.....
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Red Fox on August 31, 2009, 01:02:17 PM
Alder - Would it be possible for you to post a link to that article (June 1983) I would be interested in reading it and I'm sure many others would too! Thanks
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on August 31, 2009, 01:44:31 PM
The BC plates are an important piece of info. Wondering if the suspects could be the same ones being sought in the Lana Derrick case. (Minus beard) in this sketch..
 at -http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2428.msg28433/topicseen.html#msg28433 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2428.msg28433/topicseen.html#msg28433)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on September 01, 2009, 12:27:57 AM
Sorry Red Fox, but I only have a paper copy of the article.  I'm not aware that there are any issues prior to 1995 available online.  If older issues such as 1983 can be obtained online, please let me know how.

Meanwhile, I just took a digital picture of the article and will attach it here, see if that works.

Let's keep in mind that the RCMP doesn't seem to have followed up on this.  Could be because they later determined that there was a problem with the source of this information, or the RCMP dropped the ball on this by mistake.  Would be helpful if the RCMP could explain  ...

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Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on September 01, 2009, 12:45:10 AM
I blew up the picture in the article Alder. Someone got a good look at the one guy to have created the sketch . I almost get a strange sense of recognition when looking at it, like its someone we've seen or known from something else..maybe a young Dave Picton?? Anyway, it may prove helpful just having it on here
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on September 01, 2009, 01:07:58 AM
Anybody has a link to a picture of Dave Pickton?  Could it be posted on this site?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on September 01, 2009, 01:55:24 PM
There are several pictures on the internet. This is one..
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on September 01, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
I put the sketch side by side with the picture.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: jbebeau on September 01, 2009, 06:49:03 PM
Alder: Thanks for the clarification on the color of the van. I was going from memory. I wonder what additional information the RCMP knew which led them not to pursuit this lead with greater urgency? Was it because they thought that Shelly Anne ran away at the time. Makes you wonder if they took the disappearance more seriously would they have found her.
Title: Re: Shelly Ann Bacsu- Hinton AB 1983
Post by: D1 on September 01, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
Much more coming out recently on Shelly, seems there are two threads running. Another sketch has surfaced. This could be important info for other cases as well...
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,955.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,955.0.html)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on September 03, 2009, 11:07:29 PM
PS... I merged both topics together... there was another on the BC thread too.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on September 27, 2009, 03:39:47 AM
Jbebeau, can you explain this runaway matter?  Did some local folks believe that’s what happened?

I’ve been looking through May 1983 issues of the local Hinton’s newspaper, “The Parklander” (which was issued once a week on Wednesdays).

After Shelly Anne’s disappearance on May 3, The Parklander published front page articles about it for the next several weeks.  There is no mention of Shelly Anne running away.  Attached are the first two articles.  On May 13, the Hinton RCMP issued a press release stating some of Shelly’s belongings had been found in the bush west of Hinton and there was no doubt she had been abducted and had met with foul play.  So it looks like they took this seriously.

Was there a delay in starting the search though?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: lostlinganer on September 27, 2009, 09:36:12 AM
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I almost get a strange sense of recognition when looking at it, like its someone we've seen or known from something else..maybe a young Dave Picton??
:o

OMG D1 - you grabbed that thought right out of my head..... exactly the same thing came to my mind when I saw that sketch the police originally put forward.

...wonder if her DNA was/could be compared with what they managed to collect at the Picton Farm????..... or any of her clothing????
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu - May 3, 1983 ? 16 ? Missing - Hinton - HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on September 27, 2009, 05:04:04 PM
Good question Lost. I believe there was DNA unaccounted for at the conclusion of the picton investigation. I was wondering if it was just me that thought the sketch bore similarities..
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Red Fox on October 11, 2009, 12:34:15 AM
I agree with you 100% that the eye witness sketch is bang on with Dave Pickton.  I wonder if they should be testing her DNA to any unidentified DNA that they found at the farm. I feel so bad for her family and wish that answers one way or another would come out. The NOT KNOWING has got to be the worst.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 11, 2009, 01:21:41 AM
Alder just recently posted the sketch and if the Pictons hadn't been on the news so much, this connection would never have come up. It is fresh info to most everyone including law enforcement. A cold case investigation is probably in order. They will need more than just this to proceed but who knows where this could lead.. its a start and with a few more coroberating details..there is a chance. Unidentified DNA still exists from the Picton investigation and if Shelly still has living relatives, it's worth a try..Perhaps someone in that vicinity could relay this to the local RCMP with a request for a cold case investigation?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: IrishMist on October 13, 2009, 08:28:02 AM
Shelly Anne is my cousin.  I still remember the Christmas before she went missing - it would be the last time we saw her.  In regards to the questions on if our family thinks that she is a runaway - the answer is no.  Not once did we consider that she had ran away.  Having my own child now makes me think of my cousin almost everyday and makes me want to protect him even more.  It took my aunt many years before she would accept that fact that Shelly Anne was gone and would never come back home. We have all accepted the fact that she is dead.  To give us all the closure we need  we would like to find out what happened to her and where her body may now be.  In reading the posts on here I can honestly say this is the first time I have heard Picktons name as possibly involved in her disappearance.  As far as the van - it ended up being a dead lead as the RCMP found out that the van had been recently painted in a field near Hinton a day or two after my cousin disappeared.  There were 3 men involved in her disappearance and several witnesses to her kidnapping - unfortunately nothing has come of any of the leads. 
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 13, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
Hello irish mist, Do you know if any of the witnesses are still around? Anyway to have them see the pictures left on here?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: solvy on October 13, 2009, 01:02:32 PM
Irishmist  Hello and welcome

I am shocked to hear about her abduction being seen by several people. I always thought she dissapeared on her way home and no one saw it!

If you could or would add any other info here it would help us all brainstorm.  It's been far to long for justice for Shelly.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on October 14, 2009, 03:47:04 PM
Welcome IrishMist and thank you for the information.  It’s hard to imagine how painful this tragedy is for the family, and you’ve said it well that the not knowing makes it worse.

Your information brings many questions to mind.  You say the van was painted in a field near Hinton after the abduction!!??  How could the RCMP consider that a dead-end?  This suggests a connection to Hinton.  Whose field was it, when was this finding made?  Was the paint bought in Hinton, if not then they brought it with them as part of their plan.  Still, witnesses saw the original color, surely that can be investigated further through registration records.  Even back then they had the expertise to come up with chemical analysis of minute particles, so did they not collect samples and figure out what kind of paint was used, especially what color was it?

For heaven’s sake, how can the RCMP say that they ‘are not channelling all their investigative resources’ in this van if several witnesses described it as central to the abduction?  Why did the RCMP wait over a month before describing it to the public to elicit tips?  Why not continue to mention it?

It is unfortunate that there was a ‘runaway’ rumour circulating then.  I’ve heard it mentioned a few other times elsewhere.  Trying to find out where this rumour originated might point towards useful leads.

Do you know why Shelly Ann’s case was recently added to the Highway of Tears list of victims?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 15, 2009, 01:30:56 AM
Nothing new has really come up in Shelly's case for over 25 years, I can imagine this is a bit of a shock for her family to contemplate.

Indeed many questions still exist! The names added to the list of hwot victims were supposedly due to similarities being found linking them to others in a manner not previously identified as such. Whatever that was in regard to Shelly has not been released as far as i know. It is soo eerily suspicious seeing the sketch and photo together knowing now what was happening with and around those people. And with Shelly being added to the hwot list, even more so... Remember how hard it was to get the police to investigate the Vancouver missing womens cases?

Answers are needed!! What happened to this investigation?
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For heaven’s sake, how can the RCMP say that they ‘are not channelling all their investigative resources’ in this van if several witnesses described it as central to the abduction?  Why did the RCMP wait over a month before describing it to the public to elicit tips?  Why not continue to mention it?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 16, 2009, 03:28:08 PM
Des may have hit on the reason for Shelly being added to the HOT.
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Also there was the skull found northern BC some years ago that Prosecution wanted admitted to evidence in Willy pictons trial. This is perhaps a link to the northern part of BC and the HOT.


If this holds true, then the Pictons are already suspects and the police may already know what we have only recently discovered...

Irish Mist has confirmed that the RCMP have Shelly's DNA. It would only seem prudent to proceed to the DNA testing phase if it has not yet been done. There maybe a body waiting to be identified, as well as a killer waiting to be caught..

Lindsey's Law, a website that pushes for new DNA legislation has pointed out the disturbing numbers of unidentified bodies here in Canada's "body bank". Hundreds of our missing persons have already been found and "tucked away" just waiting for identification.
http://www.lindseyslaw.com/index.php (http://www.lindseyslaw.com/index.php)

I understand how troubling this may be for the family like opening an old wound, but this may well be the last and only chance for some sort of closure in our life time and who knows, maybe even justice!



Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on October 17, 2009, 01:09:05 AM
Des, I haven’t been able to find anything on the internet about a skull found in Northern B.C.  On the other hand, there was a skull found near Mission BC and linked to the pig farm murders because of unique cut marks.  Mission is close to Port Coquitlam.   Is that what you meant?  I don’t believe they have ever been able to match these remains to a known person.

Here’s a bit of info I just came across:

http://www.missingpeople.net/police_told_years_ago_about_pig_farm-feb_9,_2002.htm
“Willy, a tall, thin man with a halo of long and curly dirty blond hair, once showed the woman how he …..”

I never realized until I read this article that Willie could fit the description of the van’s second male passenger mentioned in the above June 1983 article ‘approximately 6 feet tall, slim with shoulder length blond hair’.  In 1983 Dave Pickton would have been around 31 years old and Willie 33.   But Hinton is such a long way from the PoCo pig farm, … how could this be?

These speculations might be painful for the family.  May I suggest that we continue any discussion on the Pickton brothers in this other thread:
 http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,3020.0.html


Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on October 17, 2009, 07:36:30 PM
Actually, a mother’s intuition is way ahead of us.  A year ago, Shelly Ann’s mother Muriel Bacsu mentioned her thoughts on all this in an article that Adrian posted in another thread.
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http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2215.msg18125.html#msg18125

By KEVIN CRUSH, SUN MEDIA   October 20, 2008

The recent killing of an Edson teen brings back horrible memories for a mom whose 16-year-old daughter went missing in the nearby Hinton area 25 years ago.

"It's very sad that these guys are not getting caught. They're just doing it over and over and getting away with it," said Muriel Bacsu.

Her daughter, Shelly Anne Bacsu, was last seen walking down Highway 16 near her Hinton home on May 3, 1983.

Articles of her clothing were later found near the Athabasca River, leading police to believe foul play was involved.

When Bacsu heard about the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer on Sept. 27 in Edson as she walked along a trail, Bacsu's heart went out to the girl's parents.

"Her parents are like us. They'll never see her graduate. They'll never see her marry. They'll never see her become a mother," said Bacsu.

"They'll never see any of those moments because somebody chose to take them, and who has a right to do that?"

Bacsu said she follows cases like that of killers Robert Pickton or Thomas Svekla.

In those court cases, the victims were involved in prostitution but Bacsu said killers may not only target street women.

In northern British Columbia, the RCMP list 18 - and some fear the number could be closer to 34 - women of all walks of life who have gone missing along the so-called Highway of Tears.

Bacsu believes whoever might have harmed her daughter was from the Hinton area at some point and likely knew the area.

There has been no information on Shelly Anne's disappearance and until this summer Bacsu hadn't heard from the RCMP in 15 years.

Three months ago, police contacted her for DNA samples. They told her it was just to keep the samples on file in case a match was ever found.

While a quarter-century has passed, Bacsu still believes she will one day find Shelly Anne alive or at least find out what happened to her.

"My greatest hope is that I don't have to go to my grave not knowing what happened to my daughter," she said.

"I do believe the Lord will let us know when the time is right."
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 17, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
Ahh, atta go Adrian! Perhaps Shelly's mom wouldn't be all that adverse to our conversation afterall and we are the ones playing catch up.

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Bacsu said she follows cases like that of killers Robert Pickton or Thomas Svekla.

In those court cases, the victims were involved in prostitution but Bacsu said killers may not only target street women.

Re; the third person in the van..If the other two were the Pictons (b.C. plates) it is relatively easy for LE to check on vehicles registered to them at the time. The unidentified third person may be the link to the Hinton area. Do the Pictons have relatives or associates in the area?

from Shelly's mom
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Bacsu believes whoever might have harmed her daughter was from the Hinton area at some point and likely knew the area

I have not found a sketch or any description of the third person seen in the van.

Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 18, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
If a real and proper investigation is underway, I can understand wanting to keep some of the details a little quieter. If not, I agree with you Irish Mist. There was already a documentary, those witnesses are a potential source of embarrasment to the RCMP as well if none of this is followed up on. (again) I see nothing wrong with just mentioning in general that there are witnesses to the abduction.






Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on October 19, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
Mentioning witness's and the name of the film is OK... but I don't thikn it would be wise to post actual names.

Is it possible that someone can PM me the deatils of this documentary... it seems the post Irish Mist (I think) posted is gone.

Chris
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: IrishMist on October 20, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
I sent you what info I have on it Chris.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: IrishMist on October 20, 2009, 01:26:53 PM
Ok here we go again.  There were eyewitnesses to my cousins kidnapping.  There was a older couple who seen it as well as 2 individual men.  She was walking along the highway on her way home and the van pulled over - there were 2 men in the front and one in the back that pulled her into the van.  The documentary was called Where is Shelly or Where is Shelly Anne.  It was done on on either CBC or CTV - im thinking about 15 years ago - maybe a little longer. They had a girl protraying my cousin and they reinacted the kidnapping and the time leading up to it and about the search after.  They interviewed my aunt, uncle and cousin Tim.  One of my other cousins were there and helped in the search but he wasnt there when they did the interview.  They also interviewed my cousins boyfriend at that time.  The documentary also includes information about the van that was seen, the 3 men in the van, and that there was a van painted in a field outside Hinton.I have googled trying to find information on the documentary but havent been able to find anything.  If anyone finds it I would be interested in getting a copy.  In regards to the post that my aunt got some prank phone calls - yes that is true - some people can be very cruel - I dont know the particulars of the phone call tho.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 20, 2009, 01:32:45 PM
Excellent Irish Mist. I know that the CBC has an archives department but they require a fairly accurate date and charge a fee.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: IrishMist on October 20, 2009, 01:54:33 PM
Thanks for that info D1 - i will see if I can find a contact there to email to see if it was them that did the documentary.  It was so long ago its hard to remember.  It was done in Alberta but I watched it in Saskatchewan so it had to be with a TV station that broadcasts across Canada and those are the 2 biggest I can think of - but im sure there is more.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: IrishMist on October 20, 2009, 02:21:27 PM
I checked with CBC and couldnt find anything there - I have emailed CTV to see if they have any info.  Does anyone know of any affiliates of those stattions in Edmonton or Calgary that I can check with?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on October 22, 2009, 01:10:05 PM
That is very informative, many have wondered whether Shelly was buried near where her clothing was found.

This is an interesting quote from L.E.;
Quote
At first, authorities suspected that she had run away, but after the articles of her clothing were found, they were sure that she had fallen prey to an "opportunity killer," with no connection to Bacsu.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on October 22, 2009, 04:54:13 PM
Yes, that does strike me as odd.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Chris on March 30, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
I wonder if this a case where the RCMP already know who.... but don't hve the proof.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: jbebeau on July 13, 2010, 03:51:17 AM
IrishMist,

Thank you for clarifying the point about the crank calls. I was 4 when this happened and heard about it through my father who worked with Tim.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: LETS_SOLVE_BACSU on July 18, 2010, 03:04:08 PM
WOW, this is the first time I have visited this site.  I was 9 years old when Shelly went missing.  I road the school bus with her and was on the bus with her the day she went missing.  My mom was friends with her parents and knew them quite well.  The original reports stated that she was last seen getting off the bus that day and was walking up to the trailer park.  Of course that was later changed when she was seen on highway 16 walking, etc. 

I have read all of the posts in this topic.  When she went missing I clearly remember everyone talking about a blue full sized van picking her up. 

Back in 2006 and 2007 while all of the Picktons publicity was on going I was thinking about Shelly.  I was thinking and wondering if the Picktons may have had something to do with her disappearance.  It seemed like a stretch at the time, but I thought about it enough that I tracked down an email for one of the profilers that they used in the Pickton case and I sent him an email.

I wish I still had his email after seeing all of your comments, but I asked him if the investigators had every found an "late model blue van" on the picktons property and if he thought that they would have had the means to be involved in Shelly's case. 

The wierd part out of all of this is that I received a response from the guy in matter of 2 hours and it was very abrupt.  He stated that the picktons were not involved in Shellys case, which I found very wierd because he didn't even consider it he just brushed it off immediately (the fact that he brushed it off so fast supprized me).

At the time I didn't say anymore to him, but I now wonder if he knew something that allowed him to respond to me in such an abrupt way???????Hmmmmmmm

Anyhow I really hope that for the sake of the family that they are able to solve this horrible situation.  I now have three children a boy and two girls and I can not ever imagine what it would be like to loose one of them.

All the best to the family
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: lostlinganer on July 18, 2010, 04:09:48 PM
LETS_SOLVE_BACSU, I'm glad you found this site. .... hope you'll stick around. 
There are many of us on her who will agree you have to sometimes wonder how it is with the authorities. 
They preach "Crime Stoppers" commercials .... looking for tips, but only concerning what they want "tips" on.  Those police departments all seem to think a person is wrong, or delusional when they clue in on serious possibilities, and get up the nerve to make that call to whatever authority about cases that they really don't want to hear about, - cases they have already been ordered to drop, etc.

It might have a lot to do with $$$$ limited to look into old cases the public aren't "screaming about"... the more spent on cold cases and/or cases "not on their agenda", the less public monies to spend on private jets and expensive parliamentary matters (getaways to take a break or do private business) in my opinion.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Baba Donya on July 18, 2010, 05:01:33 PM
Lost, I wholeheartedly agree with you!

Alberta has so much money...and has the money to outfit the manpower, instead they give more to the fat cats at the top, and hire another specialist from out of the country to pay erroneous wages of tax payers dollars. Those tax payers dollars, could be spent more strategically, and there are alot of qualified people who are capable of doing jobs that may alter the future for Albertans.

That is getting off the topic here....Alberta can afford to hire more cold case detectives, and put a grinding halt to the unsolved murders of Alberta. Once one province takes ahold of doing something this productive...the other provinces will follow.

You know how in Europe there are satellite pictures that are taken to find mass graves. Why can`t that be done to find Shelly...hmmm....
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on August 08, 2010, 12:19:18 AM
A little too quick it would seem.
re:
Quote
The wierd part out of all of this is that I received a response from the guy in matter of 2 hours and it was very abrupt.

LETS_SOLVE_BACSU,
Do you still have the profilers name?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: art-hu on August 31, 2010, 11:52:33 AM
Thank-you for posting your vision Chris W. I'm sure someone close to Shelly or someone on this site that lives closer to Hinton will to look into your vision.  Every bit of info is important. Shelly wants to be found.!
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Sleuth on September 01, 2010, 09:47:54 AM
Hi Chris W! And welcome! did you 'see' anything else? Like the perp? One or two perps? The name of the perp? Or initials? Anything else which can be pin pointed for those looking for Shelly's killer(s)? The age of the perp?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Concerned on December 19, 2010, 04:52:42 PM
Here is the RCMP posting on their Missing Children Database, with case number and pics/age progression:

Case Number: 8913038

Missing Since: 3 May 1983
Missing From: Hinton, Alberta, CANADA
Details: Shelly was last seen walking towards her home. Nobody has seen or heard from her since.

Missing Child:

Shelly Anne BACSU

Date of Birth: 7 April 1967
Sex: Female
Hair: Brown
Eye: Brown
Height: 152 cm (60 feet, inches)
Weight: 41 kg (90 lb)
Additional Information: She has freckles and a small scar on her forehead. She is affected by rheumatoid arthritis and has a hearing impairment. Shelly's photograph has been age-progressed to 22 years of age.
Alias(es): None / Aucun

Pic and age progression on site:
http://www.ourmissingchildren.gc.ca/cgi-bin/case.pl?id=29&lang=eng (http://www.ourmissingchildren.gc.ca/cgi-bin/case.pl?id=29&lang=eng)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: LETS_SOLVE_BACSU on February 16, 2011, 12:09:36 PM
Hey D1,

Haven't been on here for a while. 

It was Kim Rossmo that I sent the email too regarding Shelly and the potential for Picktons to be involved.

Like I said I really wish I still had the email. 
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: D1 on February 16, 2011, 10:46:55 PM
That is very interesting on it's own!!
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on April 14, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
May 3, 1983 disappearance:  In a few weeks, Shelly Ann Bacsu will have been missing for 30 years. 

30 long years!  Someone knows something.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: debbiec on May 03, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
RCMP, family, seek new tips in 1983 disappearance of girl near Hinton, Alberta

By Staff
The Canadian Press
 
 
HINTON, Alta. – RCMP and a grieving mother are marking the 30th anniversary of the disappearance of a girl in western Alberta by calling for new tips in the case.

Shelly-Anne Bacsu was last seen on May 3, 1983, just outside of the town of Hinton.

Police say they still hope someone will come forward with information to help solve the mystery of the 16-year-old’s disappearance.

The girl’s mother, Muriel Bacsu, says she believes someone in the town knows what happened to her daughter and will speak up to end their family’s nightmare.

Bacsu says RCMP contacted her last month when remains were found by people riding all-terrain vehicles near the hamlet of Brule, a community just west of Hinton.

RCMP say the remains, which may not be human, are still being tested and have not been linked to the girl.


http://metronews.ca/news/edmonton/657416/rcmp-family-seek-new-tips-in-1983-disappearance-of-girl-near-hinton-alberta/ (http://metronews.ca/news/edmonton/657416/rcmp-family-seek-new-tips-in-1983-disappearance-of-girl-near-hinton-alberta/)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on May 04, 2013, 12:20:57 AM
Shelly Ann Bacsu disappeared 30 years ago to this day, on May 3 1983.  Hoping the truth comes out about what happened to her that day.  Here's a June 1983 article about a suspicious van & individuals seen in the vicinity and at the time Shelly Ann went missing.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on May 04, 2013, 12:27:12 AM
http://www.hintonparklander.com/2013/05/03/shelly-anne-still-missing-after-30-years
Shelly Anne still missing after 30 years

Shelly-Anne Bacsu was a quiet girl who loved her dog and cat. The Grade 9 student was small yet feisty, fondly remembered by her close group of friends at Harry Collinge High School.
This is how Muriel Bacsu remembers her daughter, 30 years after the teenager went missing from Hinton on May 3, 1983, less than a month after her 16th birthday.
“She’ll always be 16 to me,” recalls Muriel. “I can’t even visualize anything else.”
Shelly-Anne would be 46 today, but evidence has yet to surface if she is alive or dead. Muriel last heard from her daughter at about 8 p.m. on the evening she went missing. Shelly-Anne had been babysitting with her boyfriend in Hinton’s Sunset Mobile Home Park, now called the Hillcrest Mobile Estates.
“She phoned me that night and said she’s going to leave to come home, could I cook her some tasta, which is noodles in English,” Muriel said. “I said ‘Okay what time will you be here?’ She said, ‘I’ll be home in about 15 minutes, mom.’”
The teenager never came home, and reports collected by police state she was last seen at about 8:30 p.m. on Highway 16. The teenager was 800 metres west of the edge of Hinton’s town limits walking towards her family’s home on an acreage by Highway 40. Hundreds of accounts have been collected by investigators, including two recollections describing someone getting into a van that appeared to have a B.C. license plate on the Yellowhead highway west of Hinton. Many initially believed she was a runaway until some of Shelly-Anne’s clothes were found by the Athabasca River a few days after her disappearance. Few clues have turned up since.
“I don’t want to go to my grave not knowing what happened to my daughter,” Muriel said.
The mystery is considered to be part of the Highway of Tears murders and disappearances. At least 18 young women and girls went missing from locations along the Yellowhead highway and its intersecting highways 97 and 5. Thirteen of the cases have been declared homicides, and besides the local disappearance of Shelly-Anne, all of the incidents occurred in British Columbia between 1969 and 2005.
The Bacsus didn’t expect dangers to be present in Hinton when they moved from Brooks in 1977, and as she grew up in Hinton Shelly-Anne was especially unsuspecting.
“She loved people, she trusted everybody, and I think that’s what happened, is that Shelly was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Muriel said.
Since the disappearance the Bacsu’s have closely supported each other while carrying on, although the family had to make a difficult decision with Shelly-Anne’s beloved cat, Dusty.
“We actually had to put her cat down because that cat would just lie in her room and give a horrible cry,” said Muriel. “They cry human tears.”
Shelly-Anne’s parents moved away from Hinton in 1990, and currently live in Strome, a rural community east of Camrose. Muriel didn’t return until three years ago, when she took part in an effort to find evidence into Shelly-Anne’s disappearance with Hinton Search and Rescue.
For years the parents hadn’t heard from the RCMP, as the matter was declared a cold case. But in 2010 Muriel was surprised with a visit by the police. Investigators collected swab samples for DNA records that could be matched with any clues that surface might in the future.
“You never give up that little glimmer of hope, because once you do, what do you have to hold on to?,” asked Muriel. “I’m responsible for bringing her home, I have to as a mother.”
Local police are also determined to solve the 30-year-old mystery.
“Although time has passed, we remain committed to finding Shelly-Anne,” said Cpl. Trevor Somers of the Hinton RCMP. “As in those early days of her disappearance, we continue to encourage anyone with information to come forward. Our hope is that someone will help us solve the mystery surrounding her disappearance.”
Muriel has no doubt there are people in Hinton who have secrets into the disappearance of her daughter.
“If everybody works together and forms a network I believe that Shelley’s case is solvable,” she said. “Somebody in that town of Hinton knows something, and they need to come forward.”
Shelly-Anne Bacsu is five feet tall with brown hair and brown eyes, and when she went missing weighed a slim 90 pounds.
Police ask that anyone with information regarding Shelly-Anne’s disappearance contact the Hinton RCMP at 780-865-2455. Anonymous calls can be made to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477, or online at www.tipsubmit.com.
Muriel Bacsu is offering a reward for her daughter’s whereabouts. She can be contacted at sbacsu@hotmail.com or 780-376-3662.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: lostlinganer on May 04, 2013, 01:02:04 AM
...oh dear; maybe it was this poor little girl's remains that have been found.... if they are indeed "very old".  God help your family dear Shelly.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on May 04, 2013, 01:53:33 AM
Additional information in this article:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/05/02/found-remains-near-hinton-rekindles-a-mix-of-emotions-for-alberta-family-of-missing-teen

Found remains near Hinton rekindles a mix of emotions for Alberta family of missing teen
'This file is very dedicated and it’s never been put on a shelf': RCMP

By Pamela Roth   ,Edmonton Sun
First posted: Thursday, May 02, 2013 05:18 PM MDT | Updated: Thursday, May 02, 2013 05:32 PM MDT
Shelly-Anne Bacsu was supposed to be home in 15 minutes.
The 16-year-old was babysitting at her boyfriend’s house at the Sunset Trailer Court in Hinton when she called her mother Muriel around 8 p.m., asking to cook some noodles for her to eat when she got home.
But the five-foot, slim-built brunette never came home. She has now been missing for 30 years.
“That night, I knew something wasn’t right. You always have hope and you carry that hope,” said Muriel from her home in Strome, Alta., noting her daughter would now be 46-years-old.
“I still think about her every day, every minute. I wanted so bad to have her home by now, to have some type of an ending. Are we ever going to get one? We have missed so much of watching our daughter grow up.”
According to police, Shelly-Anne was last seen by witnesses on May 3, 1983 walking west on the north side of Highway 16, roughly 800 metres west of the town limits.
But her mother maintains her daughter would have never walked home. She was supposed to get a lift home from a friend that night, but if that fell through, Muriel said Shelly-Anne would have called for a ride.
Articles of Shelly-Anne’s clothing were later found near the Athabasca River, leading police to believe foul play was involved. Since then, Mounties have interviewed numerous persons-of-interest and recovered items associated to Shelly-Anne.
Last week, police may have found what they’ve been looking for.
Muriel was flooded with a mix of emotions when she was told that quad riders found remains in a remote area just west of Hinton near Brule Lake.
Investigators are now waiting for the medical examiner to determine if the remains are in fact human and should have an answer next week.
“A lot of people here want to know. As soon as you talk of a missing person, this file is automatically rekindled in a lot of people’s minds,” said Hinton RCMP Staff Sgt. Mark Fitzgerald.
“This file is very dedicated and it’s never been put on a shelf. You look at it not only as a policeman, but also as a father and say ‘man, I wish there was something I could do.’”
Muriel describes her only daughter as a fun loving person who loved to laugh and dance. She maintained a core group of friends, didn’t go to parties, and had a great relationship with her mother.
In her heart, Muriel believes Shelly-Anne is no longer alive. On the 25th anniversary of her disappearance, the family created a memorial garden since there is no grave site to visit.
All Muriel wants is for Shelly-Anne to come home.
“I’ve lived in hell. I’ve made up my mind that I’m not going to go to my grave not knowing what happened to my daughter. I have sworn to her that I will find her and bring her home,” said Muriel, adding a reward has been offered for information in the case.
“I know somebody in that town knows something and it’s time.
“We’re asking for somebody to come forward with any kind of information they have.”
pamela.roth@sunmedia.ca
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on May 04, 2013, 02:07:38 AM
Again, more information in this article.  Hoping the answers are found...

http://www.newswire.net/newsroom/financial/73453-30th-anniversary-shelly-anne-bacsu-missing-person-case.html

30th Anniversary Of The Shelly-Anne Bacsu Missing Person Case On May 3, 2013 - Not Part Of Highway Of Tears Murders

 K MacKinnon, May 1, 2013

16 year old grade-nine student Shelly Anne Bacsu was last seen on May 3, 1983. The case is still unsolved but RCMP no longer believe she is part of B.C.’s Highway of Tears Murders.

(Newswire.net -- May 1, 2013) Hinton, AB -- Friday, May 3, 2013 will mark the 30th anniversary of the disappearance of Shelly Anne Bacsu. After the initial investigation into her disappearance, RCMP believed that Shelly-Anne might be part of B.C.’s Highway of Tears Murders. However recent investigation into her case has lead them to now believe that the Shelly-Anne missing person case is not a part of Highway of Tears Murders and that her disappearance does not fit with those murders. Hinton RCMP is now looking into other possible angles and the search and investigations into her disappearance have been renewed.

Many different stories about what may have happened to Shelly-Anne Bascu have surfaced over the years but the facts of the case are as follows. 16 year old Shelly-Anne Bacsu vanished on May 3, 1983. Earlier that evening she was babysitting with her boyfriend at his home. Around 8 p.m., Shelly-Anne called her mother, Muriel Bacsu, to say that she was getting a ride home from a friend and was never seen again.

There may be new information about the case as a result of Muriel seeking out help and continuing to search for information about her daughter. The RCMP are currently following up and reviewing the case. With the new revelations, the case has seen a new lease of life and raised the hopes that it will be solved and that Shelly-Anne will be found. “We haven’t given up on Shelly-Anne,” said Muriel Bacsu, mother of Shelly Anne Bacsu. “To give us all the closure we need we want to find out what happened to her and where her body may be now.”

If anyone has any details about the disappearance of Shelly-Anne Bacsu, the family is requesting that they call the hotline 1-587-352-2657 or the website http://bringshelly-annehome.com/.

Contact Person: Muriel Bacsu
Contact Number: 1-587-352-2657
Email: sbacsu@hotmail.com
Website: http://bringshelly-annehome.com/


Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: cana_nomad on May 05, 2013, 06:04:45 AM
She was walking home or she got a ride?  That changes things right there.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 05, 2013, 07:35:42 AM
Didnt her mom say she would never walk home, if her ride fell through she would call for a ride? Wonder if they infact know she ever left the place she was babysitting
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: cana_nomad on May 05, 2013, 07:52:54 AM
Yet she told her mother she was walking home- did I get that info right?

Unless the report was mistaken about her being given a ride.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Logical on May 05, 2013, 08:41:41 AM
I just read from page one, a cousin and son of a coworker of brother Tim seem to concur that the mother was called by Shelly to come get her, she did not wait and started walking to meet her Mom part way and several witnesses saw her abducted by a third man in the rear of a blue van. Four sets of eyes saw her taken, an elderly couple and two individual men.

So here are my confusions, and thoughts:

1. Why do police say last seen walking, not being taken? Interesting fact, Shelly had a hearing impairment she most likely did not hear the van pull up as clearly or early as we could have and she was more likely surprised and easier to grab. Does this indicate someone who knew her or was this a lucky chance for the perp?

2. Runaway rumors, why did she not wait at her boyfriends for her mother, was she arguing with boyfriend ( not suggesting he is involved in any way) was she angry with her mom for making her wait ( remember how   we young ladies were at 16 )  meaning did they have words and this is why police may have suspected runaway at first, until her clothing was found. It is just odd that you would not want to stay and wait at your boyfriends and a family you are trusted by - she was babysitting. So why not wait for her ride, did she start walking in a huff?

3. Prank calls, curious if the one to stop looking as you will never find her happened while investigating a certain lead and it was not fake and someone was afraid? Wonder if they were ever able to trace the callers?

Hope and pray answers will come soon.

Logical

Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: lostlinganer on May 05, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
all very "logical" for sure.  Poor little Shelly;  this is yet another unfair, unimaginable loss.  My heart goes out to her mom and loved ones.   :'(
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: leonagleant on May 05, 2013, 11:20:17 AM
Kim Rossmo is a respected criminal investigator I believe. If he replied abruptly to someone that the Pictons had nothing to do with this case, it's a credible source and he was probably abrupt due to being busy with his work at the time. At least there were eye witnesses, descriptions of the men involved and their vehicle. This is more than most missing women cases have to go on. By circulating these descriptions widely perhaps someone will make the connection to shady characters they knew travelling about it a van 30 yrs ago.

If the van was painted in a field a few days after the abduction: What colour was the paint used to paint it with? We are lacking information on this detail such as what paint was left behind in the field, how do we know it was the van that was painted and not some other vehicle. Again, presumably there are eye witnesses?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: lostlinganer on May 05, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
back in 1983, we didn't have the serious data network/s we have now.  If police have a license #, or even a partial #, surely they can narrow down the dark blue vans on the road in the area at the time one would think.  ..especially an investigator up to a challenge  :-\
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: debbiec on May 08, 2013, 03:43:06 PM
Remains found are "historical" in nature. Male.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Foul+play+suspected+after+historical+human+remains+found/8355870/story.html
 (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Foul+play+suspected+after+historical+human+remains+found/8355870/story.html)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: Alder on May 24, 2013, 01:45:35 AM
A lot of details in this long May 2, 2013 article at the link below, very interesting read:

http://hintonvoice.com/breathing-life-into-year-search-for-bacsu-p2317-73.htm

Here’s a small portion of that article:


“There are a few witnesses that verified Shelly Anne walked from the trailer and down Hwy. 16, said Cpl. Trevor Somers…  But Muriel believes her daughter never left Sunset on foot, adding that even if Shelly Anne’s arranged ride fell through she had several other options for rides from family and friends.  The RCMP concede it would be out of character for her to attempt the 7.5 km walk, saying health reasons would make it unusual.”

Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: debbiec on May 24, 2013, 08:32:25 AM
This article is taken from the link provided above (thanks Alder). 


Breathing life into 30-year search for Bacsu

Tyler Waugh• Thu, May 02, 2013


Muriel Bacsu believes somebody in Hinton knows what happened to her daughter, Shelly Anne, the evening of May 3, 1983.
She’s not alone. The Hinton RCMP also think the truth is out there about what fate befell the 16 year old.

“I truly think there are people out there who have intimate knowledge of this investigation and exactly what became of Shelly Anne Bacsu,” said Sgt. Brent Miller of the Hinton RCMP. “It’s one of those people who are going to have to come forward with their conscience kicking in, some sort of moral epiphany to purge their soul. I believe there are people out there who have information that will solve this case and bring Shelly Anne home to her family.”

The Bacsu family and the Hinton RCMP both hope the 30th anniversary of her disappearance will jar a memory, or a conscience, and help breathe life back into a case that already includes hundreds of interviews and 146 boxes of investigative material. The file has been subject of a television re-enactment, numerous blog and website supports and, most recently, a Facebook page created by Muriel herself called Where is Shellyanne?
“I am 70 and I want to know where my daughter is and bring her home before I am in the ground,” said Muriel. “I’m not stopping until I find my daughter.”

There is a reward being posted by the family for information leading to the discovery of Shelly Anne. Muriel said she has already been contacted by several people who have provided information – contacts she has forwarded to the RCMP.

“I am going to give them a week to follow up on the information I have passed on,” Muriel said. “After that, I don’t care, I will be back in Hinton knocking on doors to get answers. I don’t care, we are tired of waiting.”
Shelly Anne called home at around 8 pm on the night of her disappearance. She was at her boyfriend’s place in Sunset Trailer Court helping baby sit after school. Muriel remembers her daughter calling to say she was on her way home.

“She said she was getting a ride, that she’d be home in 15 minutes, and that I should make some tasta (noodles),” Muriel said. “It was the last time we ever spoke with her.”

Shelly Anne, who had just turned 16, wasn’t home in 15 minutes, or half an hour. Muriel said the boyfriend phoned the Bacsu house at 9 pm and asked to speak with her daughter.

“We had only met him a couple times before and didn’t know him that well, but I told him that it wasn’t funny,” Muriel said, adding that the police were called immediately.

What happened in the hour between phone calls is a mystery that has not yet been solved and is a source of some renewed debate.

RCMP say Shelly Anne was last seen by an eyewitness about 800m west of corporate Town limits. She was walking west on the north side of Hwy. 16 toward the family home located north on Hwy. 40.

“There are a few witnesses that verified Shelly Anne walked from the trailer and down Hwy. 16,” said Cpl. Trevor Somers, who took over the Bacsu file a year ago, adding that she was carrying her school books and showed no interest in hitch hiking.

But Muriel believes her daughter never left Sunset on foot, adding that even if Shelly Anne’s arranged ride fell through she had several other options for rides from family and friends. The RCMP concede it would be out of character for her to attempt the 7.5km walk, saying health reasons would make it unusual.

An urgent search followed the call at 9 pm. Shelly Anne’s father, Sandy, and her brother, Tim, drove around looking for her in the dark, while Muriel walked up and down the highway calling out and looking in roadside culverts.

“I was worried maybe she had been hit by a car and was hurt.”

•••••

Sue Klotz, who was Shelly Anne’s closest friend growing up, remembers her house getting a call from the Bacsus that night. The two teenagers didn’t spend as much time together in the months leading up to the disappearance, but they were still really close.

“It’s what you do, right? If your kids are late you call the people they’re most likely to be with,” Klotz said. “I remember the last time I saw her was in the hall that day in school. I went to bed thinking she would just show up, that I would just see her at school and everything would be okay.”

Authorities picked up the search in full force in the days following her disappearance. Grid searches of the wilderness outside of town were undertaken and Muriel said some of Shelly Anne’s personal items – a jacket, bra, pantyhose and student union card – were recovered near the Athabasca River. A book identified as Bacsu’s was also discovered.

Eyewitness accounts led the RCMP to seek public assistance in following up leads on a van believed to be linked to the case.

“The days and weeks after she disappeared were so hard. A new lead or piece of information would lead to hope ... it never panned out. It was so hard to deal with that, I can’t imagine what it was like for Muriel and the family,” Klotz said.

Eventually, the years went by and the disappearance fell out of the spotlight. The Bacsu family moved from town around 1991 and Klotz lost touch with them.

Muriel said there was a stretch of around 15 years after the 10th anniversary of the disappearance where she didn’t even hear from the RCMP. She became disenchanted with the RCMP, saying early investigators developed tunnel vision about their theory of the case, failing to look more closely at some people of interest.
There didn’t seem to be any activity whatsoever, though RCMP say the file – considered a missing person with suspected foul play – remained open.

•••••

Things changed in 2010 with a couple of developments, including a second look at components of the case file in relation to the Highway of Tears investigation. The Highway of Tears is a name given to a network of roads in northern British Columbia where more than a dozen women have gone missing. Bacsu is the only Alberta woman listed.

At that point, an extensive file review was undertaken and follow up recommendations from that RCMP review are ongoing.

“The RCMP is committed to continuing this investigation. There’s a family out there who’s still missing their daughter, so we’re committed to keep hope alive,” Miller said.

He went on to say that, at this point 30 years later, the RCMP are looking for people to offer up whatever information they may have, whether it’s related to old theories and evidence, or something entirely new.
Cpl. Somers arrived with the Hinton RCMP about a year ago and took over as lead on the Bacsu file. He has been in contact with Muriel for more than a month and even made a trip to the Bacsu home to connect with the family.

•••••

It was also in 2010 that the Bacsu family was convinced by a clairvoyant to overcome their skepticism and follow up on information she had through discussions with Shelly Anne in the afterlife.

“We ignored the calls for a long time and said we weren’t interested,” Muriel said. “I remember the day I finally said okay – she was pretty convincing – and Sandy was there telling me to hang up.”

Bacsu rallied some help from local residents, including members of Hinton Search and Rescue, and executed a search based on the clairvoyant’s advice.

Nothing materialized, but the trip to Hinton did serve one purpose. Sue Klotz remembers going to the store with one of her daughters in 2010, where she felt a tap on the shoulder.

“I turned around and there was a lady there,” Klotz said. “I stared at her for a second and then I realized it was Muriel – it had been so long and then it came back in a rush.”

The two went for a walk to the park and talked for a while, with Muriel filling Klotz in on her purpose for coming to Hinton.

The two haven’t spoken too often since then – a couple times a year, maybe – but have reconnected in recent weeks since Shelly Anne’s birthday April 7.

But a discovery April 23 would lead to more conversations between Muriel and Klotz, as well as Muriel and the RCMP.

•••••

Hinton RCMP say quadders at the Brule Sand Dunes located a set of remains around 1 pm on April 23.
Before making the discovery public information, the RCMP closed off access to the area and contacted family members of a few high-profile missing person files in the region, including Stephanie Stewart and Lyle and Marie McCann. Muriel also received a phone call that evening.

“They wanted to let me know as a courtesy that remains were found, that they didn’t want me finding out through the press,” Muriel said. “They also wanted me to confirm what Shelly Anne was wearing. I find it ironic, that these remains were found one week after her birthday and a little more than a week before the anniversary. It’s odd.”

The remains were handed over to the medical examiner and the investigation is ongoing. RCMP say it is standard procedure not to comment on the nature of the remains until the medical examiner’s office has indicated their findings.

The Bacsus say it is with mixed emotions that they await the news.

“At this stage we already know the news about Shelly Anne isn’t going to be positive, whether it’s these remains or something down the road,” said Muriel. “It’s so hard to prepare. People always talk about closure, but that’s nonsense. Yes, we get to bring our girl home with us, but that’s not closure. When you lose a child, especially this way, there’s never closure.”

“There’s still an empty spot at the table. There’s still an empty spot in your heart where the memories should be, where graduation should be, where grandchildren should be ... where her memory remains.

“If they find your child then the only thing we’ve had for 30 years – hope – is also gone. Hope has been the only thing that has gotten us through this. Once she is found, what’s left? You’re left with the thoughts of what happened to her that night, and how horrible it must have been. And then, as a mother, you blame yourself for what happened and for not being there.”

•••••

According to missingkids.ca, who work with the RCMP and with the families of missing children, Shelly Anne Bacsu was 5’ tall and had a slim build of around 90 lbs at the time of disappearance. She is reported to have been wearing a burgundy velour sweater, a burgundy and grey jacket, grey sneakers, blue jeans with a stripe down the legs, a green emerald ring and opal earrings.

Anyone with information about the disappearance are asked to contact Hinton RCMP at (780) 865-2455, Crime Stoppers at 1-800-422-TIPS (8477) or the Missing Kids Alert at 1-866-543-8477.  — Hinton, Alberta

http://hintonvoice.com/breathing-life-into-year-search-for-bacsu-p2317-73.htm (http://hintonvoice.com/breathing-life-into-year-search-for-bacsu-p2317-73.htm)
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: jellybean on May 24, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
So Shelly  Anne Bascu is added to the list of being potentially identified as being the remains found around Hinton, that we were so "excited about" - thinking of Ms. Stewart or the McCann's.  The last I read, these bones were historical.
30 years would place them in the historical category IMO

I wonder how long it will take to identify them - or exclude them from the list of the above.

This is the first time I have read about Shelly Anne and it gave me sickening chills.

God Bless Mrs. Bascu.

jb
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: debbiec on May 24, 2013, 04:23:44 PM
So Shelly  Anne Bascu is added to the list of being potentially identified as being the remains found around Hinton, that we were so "excited about" - thinking of Ms. Stewart or the McCann's.  The last I read, these bones were historical.
30 years would place them in the historical category IMO

I wonder how long it will take to identify them - or exclude them from the list of the above.

This is the first time I have read about Shelly Anne and it gave me sickening chills.

God Bless Mrs. Bascu.

jb

It doesn't appear the remains are those of Shelly. Medical Examiner's office says they are "historical in nature" and male.
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: jellybean on February 22, 2018, 12:28:56 AM
This is about Alberta's Historical Homicide Unit.

They are featuring Shelley

Standing at RCMP K Division Headquarters in Edmonton last Wednesday, an investigator held up a tiny grey jacket. It was obviously dated; dirt caked around its edges, blue pen marks, rips and tears and most notably, a red evidence tag on its zipper.
Inside the pocket was a library card that helped police identify its owner back in 1983.
Her name was Shelly-Ann Bacsu.
The 16-year-old left her friend?s house in Hinton, Alta. more than 30 years ago. She was walking the seven kilometres home but never arrived.


More than three decades later, Bacsu?s family and police are still looking for answers.
?It?s a case that is still open,? Zazulak said. ?It has been worked and reviewed and had different techniques applied to [it] over the years and we continue to do that today.?
Bacsu?s case is one of 237 unsolved murders in the province of Alberta.

?The development of a database of different footwear has helped us over time,? Zazulak said. ?The more cases we submit to those databases, over time, the more robust and useful the databases become.?

New information is crucial. Zazulak believes someone out there knows something about what
happened to all 237 of the victims and they need that information to bring families closure.

?We all have, deep down, that sense of right and wrong,? Zazulak said.
?Over the passage of time, I think it really weighs on a person,? he added. ?There comes a time when people want to move forward in their lives and I think now is the time for that.?
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: wellwell on March 11, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/rcmp-historical-homicide-unit-races-against-time-to-solve-alberta-cold-cases/wcm/67b381de-927c-4bdb-8e99-59e9fb744aa9

'All she really wants to know is where her daughter is': RCMP races against time to solve Hinton cold case

Shelly-Ann Bacsu’s file fills 147 banker’s boxes. About one-quarter of them are stacked along the walls of a conference room on the second floor of a Stony Plain Road office building.

Inside are files containing everything police know about what happened to the 16-year-old Hinton girl, who in 1983 disappeared while walking home from a friend’s house. A map of Hinton covers one of the walls, dotted with foam markers indicating where search parties found evidence, or where witnesses saw something suspicious.

A school picture of Bacsu, smiling, her dark shoulder-length hair falling on a white shirt, is pinned next to the map.

For months, RCMP Cpl. Melanie Riopel and Cpl. Darrin Lukay have been going through the file box by box, re-examining a case, like all historical homicides, that’s running out of time. Every so often, they’ll do field interviews, trying to dig up details that have eluded a long line of investigators. But many of the people they talk to are in their 70s. Memories fade and witnesses, even perpetrators, can’t live forever.

This is the life of a cold case investigator with the Alberta RCMP’s Historical Homicide Unit. Ten investigators are assigned to the Edmonton-based unit, which is responsible for reviewing more than 230 unsolved homicides across the province.

“This type of work brings in a special and unique kind of investigator,” said Staff Sgt. Jason Zazulak, the head of the unit. “You need to be very patient, you need to be methodical, you need to be the kind of person who will go down whatever path you may think of, however unlikely it may be.”

Police do not close unsolved homicide investigations, no matter how old. In Alberta, the oldest cold case in RCMP jurisdiction dates to 1935.

Alberta Mounties have always reviewed cold cases, but the dedicated Historical Homicide Unit is a recent creation. The unit was launched within the past four years as a spinoff of Project KARE, a joint RCMP-Edmonton police task force created in 2003 in response to the slayings of a dozen women dating back to the late 1980s, Zazulak said.

Earlier this year, the unit began a push to solve another three cases with female victims, including Bacsu. Police don’t believe there are connections between the three cases, which happened between 1983 to 2013, but all involve a woman who disappeared and whose remains have never been found. 

Zazulak said the unit decided to take a fresh look at the Bacsu case at the request of the family. The boxes of documents were loaded onto a U-Haul and driven from the Hinton detachment to Edmonton, where Lukay and Riopel were assigned as lead investigators.

It’s never clear where a new lead may come from, but the surest place to start is the boxes. They contain all the statements, reports and disclosure RCMP have generated on the case — information civilian staff are working to digitize. Actual evidence in the case is stored separately.

Before joining historical homicide, Riopel was an investigator in the Hinton detachment and was well-acquainted with the Bacsu case. A 2013 copy of the Hinton Voice, featuring a photo of Muriel Bacsu with a framed photo of her daughter, was among the items in the conference room. 

“She’s getting older … and all she really wants to know is where her daughter is,” Riopel said. “That’s one of the major motivators.”

Police know that Bacsu was walking home from a friend’s house on May 3, 1983, a seven-kilometre route along Highway 16 she often travelled.

Investigators have marked Bacsu’s route on the wall map. A blue star marks her house. Locations where two suspicious vehicles were spotted — a green Jeep and a van — are marked with orange and green arrows.

Searchers turned up a number of Bacsu’s belongings in different places across town. Her grey jacket found along the Athabasca River. A smashed cassette tape was discovered on Highway 16, while along a leg of Highway 40, they found an envelope with her name on it. 

Why the items were so spread out is “one of the questions we’re trying to answer,” Riopel said. 

DNA plays an ever-increasing role in investigations, and detectives often send items to be retested as technology improves. But there’s a gap between what the public believes DNA can do and what it can actually tell investigators, Zazulak said, especially in cold cases



The unit is also using social media to remind the public that police are still looking for information on long-forgotten cases. Historical homicide investigator Cpl. Kerry Shima recently became the first rank-and-file RCMP member to get a personalized Twitter account. 

It’s difficult to say how many cases the unit has solved, Zazulak said, because solves aren’t credited to a single unit. He said three or four cases have been put down due to their work — “we like to think we didn’t get it to the goal-line, but we like to carry it over,” he said.

But part of the job is accepting that evidence degrades, witnesses and perpetrators die. Zazulak said some of the oldest cases are simply unsolvable.

“Our efforts are always toward solving every case and we’ll apply ourselves to every case,” he said. “I think practically speaking, there are some cases that will never be solved.”

Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: George Fayne on May 11, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
When I first read about Shelly Anne, my brain lit up.  "David," a convicted killer from the London, Ontario area, came to mind.  In 1972, he was convicted in the 1966 murder of a teenage waitress, and released on parole in 1982.  After his release, he acquired a trucking licence that enabled him to drive long haul.

Here's why "David" came to mind:


I realize this might be a long shot, but I'm putting it out there.  Even if he wasn't responsible for Shelly Anne's murder, I think people outside of Southern Ontario be aware of this guy.  I mean, he had the ability to drive anywhere in Canada without supervision. 
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: wellwell on May 27, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
George, do you know more about this "David", or what's happened since this article appeared? I remember thinking it was odd that those London murders suddenly stopped.

http://torontosun.com/2014/03/22/box-of-clues-found-in-late-cops-home-may-help-solve-cold-cases/wcm/15c7e394-624b-4709-ab73-06a28f67924f

Hinton is on Highway 16, the Yellowhead Highway. It is an important truck route, and a lot of traffic  passes through Hinton as a result of this. Link for reference:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Highway_16

There is a truck stop about a 10-minute walk from the trailer court where Shelly spent her last hours. I realize many gas stations have relocated over the years, due to ground contamination. Maybe one was closer back then?

Recalling that some serial killers use trucking as an occupation ideally suited to their side interest.

I have also wondered about the drug trade, which uses the same route. Here's a reminder about what happened further west on Highway 16.

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/crime-most-dangerous-cities/
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: wellwell on May 27, 2018, 10:30:54 AM
This article is important not only for information about the London cop who was not allowed to arrest suspects in the London murders, but for Mike Arntfield, a detective and professor at UWO. The highway serial killer initiati e in the U.S. Is also mentioned.

I think that it is important that Shelly was taken from that highway. Also important is where her belongings were discarded.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/19/serial-killer-london-ontario-canada
Title: Re: Shelly Anne Bacsu | May 3, 1983 | 16 | Missing | Hinton | HOT Probe
Post by: George Fayne on May 30, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the OPP have followed up on Arntfield's findings (at least as far as the public knows).  And I don't know anything about what "David" was up to after he was let out of prison.  I only know that he changed his name and was licensed to drive long haul... which is obviously very troubling given the fact that he (if he is responsible for English, White, and O'Connell's deaths) tended to target young women walking along highways.  There's a little more information in the "Lynda White" episode of Arntfield's true crime show.  He suggests that "David" might have been responsible for a kidnapping case that happened a few hours north of London a few years ago. 

Here's the link to the episode:  https://youtu.be/cS9EtbYa9EM