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Title: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2007, 10:23:49 AM
CASE #     1967-00036
NAME:     Marianne SCHUETT
DATE (Last Seen):     27 April 1967
DOB:     1957
AGE (Last Seen):     10
GENDER:     Female
RACE:     Caucasian
HEIGHT:     139 to cm : 4 ft 6 to in
WEIGHT:     32-36 to kg : 70-80 to lbs
BUILD:     N/A
DENTAL:     Regular
HAIR:     Medium brown, cut in bangs at front and ear length in back
EYES:     Greenish-Blue
UNIQUE FEATURES:     Child appears to be slightly stooped and is very mild mannered
MEDICAL:     N/A
HABITS:     N/A
CLOTHING:     
Red reversible jacket (reverse colour beige)
Green skirt
Blue sweater
Blue running shoes
 
PERSONAL EFFECTS:     N/A
SUMMARY:  At 4:00 p.m., on Thursday, April 27, 1967, SCHUETT left the Kilbride Public School situated at the northern section of the City of Burlington. The child had only 400 yards to go to her home but never arrived. She was last seen in the vicinity of the school driveway talking to an unknown male person who was seated in an motorvehicle. SCHUETT is believed to have been abducted by this man. The suspect is described only as being approximately 40 years of age, with a thin face and wearing glasses. The vehicle is believed to be a small or compact size European model, dark blue or black in colour, with a chrome section across the back. Extensive investigation and exhaustive land and air searches have been carried out; however, to date, this person has not been located
LOCATION (Last Seen):     Kilbride Public School, Burlington, Ontario

Halton Regional Police are asking for the public's assistance in this investigation. Halton Regional Police are asking anyone with information related to this matter to contact the Detective Sergeant at the Major Crime Bureau at 905-825-4777 extension 5082 (charges collect) or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). Please quote the case number and victim's name when calling. Thank You
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2008, 05:45:08 AM
I came across this site from a Google I did on Marianne.  I knew her from my grandparents, owners of Coral Park in '65 of '66.  I have no idea why I seached this 40 years later, but I guess there is a reason.

Has her disaperance ever be solved?  My mother tells me it was!


Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Carol-Lynn on February 26, 2008, 08:15:31 AM
Hello Dave and thnaks for comming to the board I hope we hear more from you.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Adrian on February 26, 2008, 12:58:19 PM

Hi Dave, I don't know why you started searching for info on this child, but it brought you here, and I welcome you. As a child, I was in Burlington, and remember it as small then. What were people whispering about. She was only ten years old.
With so many missing children all over this continent, I am glad you commented on Marianne Schuett. Was the vehicle ever found, were there other attempted abductions? I hope the answers have been found, if your Mom was correct.

I hope she was found alive and well.Thanks for your comments.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2008, 03:36:37 PM
Hi all,

Thank you for the welcome, although the circumstances are not great.  My mother indicated that she was never actually found and that an uncle was responsible.  Has anyone any other information?
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on February 27, 2008, 05:14:07 AM
Hi Dave,

There is no other information then what is here. If the family suspected the uncle, they must have had good reason. THere have been though, a few young females going missing in that whole area. If they go missing and never found, sounds like a pedophile to me.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on March 23, 2008, 01:52:34 AM
Oh My Goodness!

Remember that lady who said her father was responsible for killing another girl in Toronto? He commited suicide while police were investigating him. Wonder if that is the same guy.

Anyone who thinks pedophilia is 'Progressive' or 'Natural' is sick in the head. It bothers that these scum bags can convice people that what they do is no big deal. I bet this scum f-ing idiot had no concern for her family or the little girls life, just treated her like she was dispoable.

I HATE this freaks. I wish they would humainly dispose of all pedophiles.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Adrian on March 24, 2008, 05:17:41 AM

PEDOPHILES SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS!!!!
********************************************
I hear ya big time on this one and others, these creeps are gaining more and more power, and seem to have some sort of brainwashing technique.

They try to make people, and kids think it is OK and natural, and if done in a loving and kind way, it is not wrong!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

If a teen or adult with these tendencies, they are liable to act, thinking it is ok. IT is NOT OK!!!!

The sentencing for these peds, must be upped big time, as they will never stop, and continue to wreck, the lives of many youngsters, who never get a chance to be a child.

Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on March 24, 2008, 10:59:15 PM
And yet judges still treat pedophiles like it is no big deal.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: trustme on April 15, 2008, 05:31:36 PM
Dave, I am sorry to tell you that you heard wrong. Marianne has not been found and the case is still unsolved, although it is not forgotten. We all hope that she will be found some day.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on April 15, 2008, 11:51:13 PM
I recall something like that.

trustme, I hope she is found one day too. Do you happen to know if there was a real suspect in this case?
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: trustme on April 27, 2008, 09:25:02 AM
All of the information I've read on this post is accurate as far as I know, with the exception of any uncles or other family members being considered serious suspects, and her being found. There was a suspect, the driver of the blue renault, who committed suicide as police were investigating, which has already been mentioned.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on April 27, 2008, 04:36:31 PM
Quote
the driver of the blue renault

Which was probably the reason he did that. I guess if he did it, we may never know.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Fraser on April 27, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
I hadn't realized until now that today is the 41st anniversary of her abduction.  I was only 6 when she went missing and don't remember her going missing...but, I do remember in the ensuing years, people wondering what happened to her.
Very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Adrian on August 01, 2008, 11:11:18 PM


I received this by a guest in my mail. It says:

THIS CASE HAS NEVER BEEN SOLVED. THE ONLY PERSON THAT WAS EVER SUSPECTED KILLED HIMSELF ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO

There was nothing else mentionned.

THX
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on August 03, 2008, 01:06:34 AM
It may have been the suspect killed himself, but the police would like to settle the mystery anyway, since a child is missing. So the case may be solved, but the issue of where the girl is not. There is still a chance, someone out there can help solve that by tellig the police what they may know that could result in her being found even if she is not alive anymore.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: trustme on August 24, 2008, 09:16:34 PM
There was an article earlier in August about this case in the Burlington Post. You can read it on their website. Hopefully it will generate more information so there can finally be some answers.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on August 25, 2008, 01:07:02 AM
What really happened to Marianne Schuett?
 
Schoolgirl's unsolved disappearance still haunts Kilbride area
http://www.burlingtonpost.com/news/article/195966

 was just a short walk from Kilbride Public School to the modest brick house up the tree-lined street -- about 400 yards.
But on Thursday, April 27, 1967, 10-year-old Marianne Schuett never made that five-minute stroll home. To this day, the mystery of her disappearance still haunts the picturesque village in the city's north end. Indeed, the little girl's abduction was the partial impetus for a folk song by popular Canadian songwriter Ian Thomas.

The mild-mannered, 4-foot-6 youngster, with brown hair cut in the style of the day, was wearing a red reversible jacket when last seen near the school driveway.

The time was 4 p.m. She was talking to a thin-faced, 40ish man wearing glasses, who was sitting in a dark-coloured European model car. Despite massive air and land searches and the discovery of a key suspect in the '90s, Marianne's whereabouts remain a mystery 41 years later.

A longtime Kilbride resident remembered participating in one of the searches organized by police after the little girl vanished.

Fred Arnold was a scout leader who searched with about 18-20 youngsters from the 1st Kilbride Scout Troop. The group of 12-14-year-old scouts included Marianne's older brother, Dave.

"We went through the back bushes and through Campbellville and all the rocks, it was quite an ordeal," recalled Arnold. "I couldn't believe it was happening. You hear about this all the time, but you never believe it could happen.

"She was so close to being home."

He said while her brother remained in scouts, the family went into seclusion. (Members of the Schuett family declined to be interviewed for this story.)

"They sort of stayed home. They were hoping to hear phone calls," said Arnold. "The sad part is her not being found and not knowing. It's just assumed that she's dead, but who really knows? That's got to be worse. That's got to be tough."

He said the Schuetts were just an ordinary family, whom he knew mainly through scouts.

The family eventually moved to Guelph, remembered Arnold.

"It's really too bad," he said. "It's got to be heartbreaking for anybody."

Arnold, the former volunteer fire chief in Kilbride, said everyone knew each other back then, but the mood in the village changed after Marianne's disappearance.

"The kids were taken to school, then picked up at school, they didn't take anything for chance," he said. "It got everybody back on guard."

A strange car travelling through Kilbride would also arouse suspicion, said Arnold.

He recalled hearing a man was considered a prime suspect in the case, but adds police never said the case was closed.

"As far as I know, there was never a conclusion or a definite person," said Arnold.

The child's disappearance often still comes up in conversation.

"We wonder what happened to Marianne," he said. "It seems to be such a mystery. I can't believe something wouldn't come up."

The likelihood that Marianne is still alive is remote, say officers with Halton police's Major Crimes/Homicide Bureau.

Det. Keith Woudstra said a 'person of interest' took his own life in January 1991, several months after Halton police investigated his possible involvement in Marianne's abduction.

"At the time of this person's death, there were insufficient grounds to proceed with a viable prosecution against him," said Woudstra. "We need reasonable, probable grounds to lay a charge against anyone and the information didn't break that threshold. There was a certain amount of evidence. The information certainly points to this individual being responsible."

Woudstra said the suspect was living in Burlington with his wife and children when Marianne disappeared and he moved to Hamilton in the early '90s.

While the detective did not have details about the man's family, he said they haven't volunteered any information about Marianne's disappearance. "Maybe they don't know the details."

Woudstra also confirmed the suspect was jailed in 1972 for the attempted abduction of a 17-year-old girl on Hampton Heath Road in Burlington.

"He tried to get her into a vehicle, but the victim screamed for help, broke free and ran to a nearby house," he said.

He said the suspect was originally charged with kidnapping, forcible seizure and assault causing bodily harm. However, those charges were withdrawn at the Crown attorney's request and the accused pleaded guilty to common assault. The man was sentenced to 30 days in jail and two years probation.

"The defence and Crown came to the conclusion that a plea to common assault was the most appropriate resolution," said Woudstra.

The same suspect was also investigated for alleged sexual assaults of two Ancaster girls aged 3 and 9 between 1971-78.

According to Woudstra, one of the alleged victims came forward in December 1990 to report the incidents to police. That prompted a second accuser to come forward with allegations of assault against the same individual, the detective said. Before any resolution of the complaints, the suspect committed suicide.

Woudstra said since there were insufficient grounds to lay charges in Marianne's disappearance, it could be possible that someone else was involved.

"Since the individual was investigated in the early '90s no other names have surfaced to date that would warrant us to actively pursue them," he added.

Walking from the rambling brick Kilbride school to where Marianne once lived -- a tidy, welcoming home with colourful flower boxes and pale yellow wicker chairs outside -- it's hard to believe a child could disappear along such a short route.

The school is located at 6611 Panton St., named for William Panton who, along with Francis Baker laid out the village of Kilbride around 1850. It's named after a town in County Wicklow, Ireland.

From Kilbride P.S., it's about 100 yards south to Kilbride Street, then west to where the Schuett's lived. Every minute or two a vehicle, often an SUV, goes by as it's the main east-west route through the village.

There's a mix of older and newer brick, mainly bungalows or split level, and the occasional huge, stately home.

About halfway to the Schuett residence, ironically enough, is the Kilbride Fire Station and Community Police Office. But it was not built until 1978, well after Marianne disappeared.

Woudstra said witnesses recalled the girl stopped to talk to someone in a vehicle described as a Renault station wagon. They said Marianne spoke briefly with the driver and then got into the car, which went straight past her home. She was reported missing several hours later.

The original investigation was criticized in media reports for missing key evidence, such as the sighting of a man cleaning out a vehicle fitting the suspect car's description.

Woudstra noted the prime suspect was one of several who owned a vehicle matching the description provided by witnesses.

"There was an enormous amount of information versus the resources to address it," he said. "The OPP and Burlington Police Department created a task force to manage the workload that was being generated. One of the largest searches in Canadian history was organized in an effort to find Marianne and to identify her abductor. This was a monumental task, given the fact that there were few concrete leads to follow up."

Woudstra said police have little tangible evidence from the case. He said a blue sneaker was found in the Speyside area near Hwy. 25 in Milton, similar in size and colour to sneakers worn by Marianne.

He said different investigators who worked on the case might have different theories.

"We don't know whether or not he had an accomplice," said Woudstra. "Information from witnesses indicates the individual was acting alone. From the review of the case and witnesses, we do know the station wagon had only one person."

He added to date, police have no evidence that more than one individual was involved or has knowledge of Marianne's disappearance.

The disappearance partially inspired the 1976 song Mary Jane, by popular recording artist Ian Thomas.

The song's lyrics include:

It's been a year or so since anybody's seen her

Mary Jane was on her way from school

They say a big red car pulled up and she got in.

Thomas did not respond to a request for an interview. However, in an e-mail to the Post, he said the idea for the song initially came in the early '70s when he lived in Burlington.

He recalled the disappearance of a young boy named Cameron March and, looking at his own kids, he imagined the pain felt by the boy's parents. Thomas said when Marianne vanished, the anguish in him felt like it was going to explode and it bubbled up into the tune several years later. Looking back, he wishes he'd never released such a dark song.

"I should have just recorded it to get it out of my system and filed it away," wrote Thomas. "There was already enough darkness in the world without songs to pull at the scabs of those trying to heal wounds that may never heal."

Today, the village is a pleasant place on a warm summer afternoon, with quaint homes and the folksy-looking Kilbride Country Store. The sprawling yellow siding building has old-fashioned touches like a cork notice board, outdoor deck and a phone booth. At the counter, a young woman says the store has operated for seven years. She is not familiar with the Schuett case.

Near the school, a woman walking a large black dog said she's heard of Marianne's disappearance, but has only lived in the village since 1994. She said many homeowners near the school are new, but mentioned longtime residents who live just south on Panton Street.

Ruth and Frank Pellow, built a home there in 1972.

"Different people said, 'You're going up to Kilbride where the girl disappeared?'" recalled Ruth.

She remembered search parties looking for Marianne in the back of their previous residence, a 10-acre property on No. 1 Sideroad. "Everybody was very apprehensive," said Pellow. "They were upset about the fact that it happened to a little girl."

She said she was always careful with her children. "My son said 'Mom, your so protective.'"

But Pellow said Kilbride has always been a friendly village.

"We still know our neighbours and everybody helps one another," she said. "When my next door neighbour sees me up a ladder he says it's not safe and helps me out."

Frank Pellow said all their old neighbours have moved out but all the new ones that moved in are still nice.

He was a volunteer firefighter in Kilbride for 20 years and the Pellows are good friends with former chief Arnold and his wife.

They recalled having quite a social life with other firefighters, although there was a drawback.

"You'd have a bunch of people over for dinner and then the fire siren would go," said Frank. "If you were committed to it, you'd have to go."

A current firefighter and his family have lived at the former Schuett residence since purchasing it 23 years ago.

Jeff Swance and his wife, Linda, moved into the brick bungalow at 2291 Kilbride St. about 1 1/2 years after they married.

They've had two children and raised them in Kilbride.

Swance said there has never been any concern about living in the former Schuett residence.

He said once in awhile he thinks about Marianne and wonders what happened to her.

"It's unsolved, so you get curious about it," said Swance.

Halton Det.-Sgt. Kevin Britton said the individual police learned about in the '90s was the most logical suspect.

"Clearly, it was thought by investigators he was the most viable person of interest or suspect," he said. "No one was (a) better (suspect) than him."

Woudstra said police contacted the suspect several times.

"Certainly, the Halton Police Service would be interested in hearing from anyone who may have information relevant to this case," he added. "This includes the person responsible for Marianne's abduction."

The officers noted cold cases were reviewed prior to the '90s, but forensic science has been improving since then.

"It's an ongoing process. We're always looking to see if something was missed," said Woudstra. "With the development of DNA profiles, it's now possible to get strong evidence from exhibits."

Britton said anyone with information about Marianne or the case can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477) or visit www.haltoncrimestoppers.com.

"There could be other people who have indirect knowledge or who are potential witnesses," he said. "They could have some knowledge that's dated, but still relevant."

Meanwhile life goes on in Kilbride, but for people like Arnold, a village resident since 1965, the little girl who went missing so many years ago will never be forgotten.

Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: debbiec on August 25, 2008, 09:45:57 AM
The "person of interest" in this case sure does sound like a viable suspect. The fact that he killed himself just after other allegations started surfacing makes me wonder how many more victims he had. I highly doubt that those would have been isolated incidences. Cowardly bastard took the easy way out, so I guess there's no way of knowing for sure.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on August 25, 2008, 04:25:20 PM
Yeah those pedophiles are so cowarldly. I am not a big death penality fan at all, but if there was one, it would be for pedophiles and serial killers only. These pedophiles live to offend and nothing more.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: jmm on September 12, 2008, 01:12:31 PM
Marianne is/was my cousin.  I was only 5 or 6 when she went missing but i remember it really clearly, the search parties and the chaos.  She has never been found.  The suspect did not kill himself 18 yrs ago, it was only a few years ago after the dig under the building.  He was from the hamilton/Niagara area.  The coward was being questioned  and did commit suicide.  She is still remembered and her family still misses her very much.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Adrian on September 12, 2008, 09:01:14 PM


Welcome jmm, It is good to have you here. Since she was your cousin, it must have been really chaotic at the time, of Mariannes disappearance.

She may have been taken and killed elsewhere, totally away from the scene she was last seen. I wonder if she knew him? Looked at him, like a good guy? Once snatched, she met the other side of him.

I hope this is fully solved.

(((((((hugs)))))))) to all family members, and friends.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: lostlinganer on September 12, 2008, 09:25:09 PM

I notice this poi never even had his name mentioned - figures - protect the geeks right till the end and after.

How much does anyone want to bet that these pedo/s have a particular gene or chemical make-up in their brain that comes to light some day. 
How much does anyone also want to bet that these same geeks could have become judges? ... they have/had the ability and share whatever it is?
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on April 25, 2009, 01:45:02 AM
A gues left this message:

HE HAS NOT BBEN FOUND BUT AND NO UNCLE WAS EVER SUSPECTED , BUT WE STILL HAVE HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME CLOSURE
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: esyle on May 19, 2009, 08:40:13 PM
"I believe some kind of investigation into the murder of Lynne Harper should be undertaken. Even now there could be important evidence just sitting in the files, things that were overlooked at the time. I grew up in rural Flamborough and was in Grade 6 when 10-year-old Marianne Schuett was abducted in 1967 from in front of Kilbride Public School on her way home. The crime rocked the community and many of us were afraid to walk to and from school for months afterwards. A difference from the Harper case is that many people saw Marianne get into the car and drive away with the man (they supposed the man was a family member). Marianne was a sweet, gentle, very home-loving child, she was only a few hundred metres from her front door, she knew not to take rides with strangers and had no need anyway of a ride for 700 feet, no one could figure out why on earth she would have gotten into the car with this man, who did not use force (he didnít even get out of the car). It made no sense. But she did it. Witnesses provided police with a good description of the man and the car. In spite of a massive search no trace of Marianne was ever found except her shoe, lying along the shoulder of Highway 25 near Acton.

25 years later the case was turned over to a full-time investigator or two, new to the case, who went over all the material from the ground up and found that there had been a witness who got the licence number of the car, and other important information too. The police were able to identify the driver who turned out to be a known pedophile who was then under investigation for molesting several other young girls. One witness was able to identify this man in a photo line-up. There were other things that matched up, too. Unfortunately for Marianneís family, the man committed suicide when he found out they were preparing to arrest him, and he never revealed what he had done with her body. But the case does show that a careful investigation of the available information may turn up something important. It does not have to be a very expensive proposition, just one involving a thorough and trained investigator with fresh eyes and insights.

Since no one has been trying to ďsolveĒ the Harper murder, there is the possibility that in all the material about other people and tips called in to Crime Stoppers and so on, there could be valuable information. I believe justice requires that some kind of investigation be done and it could be a fruitful one even if nothing can be conclusively ďprovedĒ in a court of law now. At least Marianneís family has a fair certainty who killed her and that he is now dead. The Harper family certainly deserves to know whatever can be found out, and the only way we will know if there is something to find out is if someone actually takes the trouble to look."
-found  this in another forum
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: DSchuett on May 26, 2009, 10:45:36 PM
Marianne is a relative of mine. She has not and will never be forgotten by our family. Many of us still hold onto hope she will be found alive and well even after all these years. The worst part is not knowing and not having any closure. I live near Woodstock, with the Tori Stafford case all the memories , questions and unanswered questions all came flooding back. We only hope Victoria or her body is brought back to her family so they may have the closure we never received. I wish the people that have done this to Tori get their just desserts. The person that abducted Marianne chickened out before justice could be served. There is hope other people may know information to bring her home to us one way or another. Thanks for keeping her memory alive with this forum maybe someday we will know where she is.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on May 27, 2009, 02:40:34 AM
Marianne is a relative of mine. She has not and will never be forgotten by our family. Many of us still hold onto hope she will be found alive and well even after all these years. The worst part is not knowing and not having any closure. I live near Woodstock, with the Tori Stafford case all the memories , questions and unanswered questions all came flooding back. We only hope Victoria or her body is brought back to her family so they may have the closure we never received. I wish the people that have done this to Tori get their just desserts. The person that abducted Marianne chickened out before justice could be served. There is hope other people may know information to bring her home to us one way or another. Thanks for keeping her memory alive with this forum maybe someday we will know where she is.

Thanks for posting. Sorry about your relative, it is so sad that the likely killer was such a coward and took the easy way out. I'm glad y'all have not forgotten and I hope you get your answers one day.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: lynda on December 21, 2009, 12:24:14 AM
I too have wondered about Marianne I was a young teen ,  bit of a kid back then, it has always haunted me that she was never found. I recall the military searching and private citizens, we was amongst the many that looked for her. horse back and on foot looking down old blind roads off the beaten paths to no avail.
I was however mixed up on the year i thought it was '64 or '65 but many years have passed and memory a little foggy on some details.
yes to be alive would be the dream. but even a body at least there would be closure.
every time i hear of a child missing brings Marianne's memory back.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on December 22, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
Hi Lynda, thanks for posting.

It sure would be nice to have closure that is for sure. At least we'd know what happened.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: female in halton on September 16, 2010, 10:12:17 AM
I recall the disappearance of Marianne more often than I would like. I am a female living in the Halton area who would have been a few years younger than Marianne at that time. All the parents were terrified warning their children to not talk to strangers or ever get in a car no matter what! What I can't figure out is why when I myself was kidnapped(even though it was only for about an hour and a half) at around the same age did the Halton Police not look seriously at the two people responsible. They could be the abductors/murderer"s of Marianne Shuett. I'm not suprised to learn that her shoe was found around Speyside because it's very well possible those responsible could be from Milton. Any of you reading this be sure to warn your children that a kidnapper could very well be a woman and a man if you didn't already learn that from Karla Holmoka. I was lured in by a woman. Yes the Police did attend my home. Nobody asked me any questions that early evening but I do remember being afraid to talk. I thought I was the one in trouble! I've seen these people recently in the last few years and strange as it may seem, I felt they recognized me even though I am almost 50 years old. I'll never forget it. I was let go because the man was not sure that anyone had not seen the woman.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Woodland on September 16, 2010, 12:43:39 PM
What a terrible experience - I hope the pair that abducted you found themselves behind bars for this, and it's attrocious that you ran into them!

How about contacting LE and asking them if this couple was investigated for Marianne's disapearance?  I know they have a suspect in mind, now deceased, but we have all seen over the years what can go wrong with an investigation.  It seems that whoever took you was experienced, given their reason for returning you so quickly.

There are other missing children from Halton area.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on September 16, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
Wow I am glad you got away, that is jsut scary. Seems like they have done that before.

In 1967 police were probably not trained or even knew what to do in these cases. They probably did not even bother to think they could be related. Probably then, they just assumed it was domestic or soemthing like that.

Anyway, I am glad you are fine, I can understand why that might still haunt you today.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: capeheart on September 16, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Female in Halton, you were one lucky person to get away from those people. I would say that they have been involved in more evil deeds then when they abducted you. Why did the police never come back and ask you anything?? And this child Marianne, they certainly could be involved in her disappearance. I wonder were they ever checked out????
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: female in halton on September 16, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
Thank-you anyone out there for taking an interest in Marianne Shuett because I sure do. I was about 7 years old at that time. My mother had dropped me off at Brownies so I was in my what looks now to be a very small little brown dress of a 5 year old it's so small. When I look at it I can't tell you how I feel. I was a little bit early and there was a candy store called Trainers about 2 minutes away. I went there. 25 cents went a long way! On the way back to Brownies I noticed a lady walking behind me as she caught up to me she talked to me. She told me I could have a comic book/magazine if I came with her, she said she knew my father. Everyone did anyway so it was believable.I got a real hard time talking about this...There was a man at the house, they gave me beer to drink. Wow I can't believe they friggen did this to a Brownie/little innocent girl. I remember the guy being worried that I was there(and he should have been). I told them that if I didn't get back by the time Brownies was over I would be in big trouble and so would she if I told my dad where I was. They gave me the magazine to take and made me promise not to tell. Well I did tell. My mother called the Milton police and they came to my house. The magazine was a dirty magazine/comic. I remember the police saying they were going over to the Brownie leader's to confirm I was not there. No police spoke to me. My mom was very mad and upset I remember. My dad was not home he was at work. I believe I showed my mother where I was after the police left. I think? Not to sure. My dad would have killed them if he knew.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: female in halton on September 16, 2010, 10:26:07 PM
I ran out of space.....These two people were drunks. They are still together I saw them. Bonnie/Clyde. Back in those days if you were a drunk you would end up in Hamilton known for their parties/bars back in the day. A cut through Kilbride is how you would have got there too to get to Hwy#6. If you were a barfly you would have travelled to Acton as well and you would pass thru Speyside where they say the little girl's shoe was found. If you were creative enough you could easily get to Speyside from Kilbride through back roads which in those days were the bushes. These two losers from what I understand(cuz I did a little investigation of my own) lived in Hamilton all those years after. They are fairly old now with children/grandchildren of their own. Shame on these predators. I'd like to know what the hell they were doing in Milton. The second I saw them I knew who they were. Tigers never change their stripes!! The guy loooked at me in the eyes and he knew I could tell. She was buying something and carried it out over her shoulder like a damn 24 of beer, old lady like that? What does that tell you? I froze. I would have liked to take her down right there. I tried to forget it but I can't. I always believed whether it's true or not that it was these two perverts that abducted that little Marianne cuz they like little girls, always have. It caused me to search for any information on internet regarding her disappearance. Period. Any comments anyone?
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: capeheart on September 17, 2010, 08:05:05 AM
Female in Halton, you could always go down to the police station and talk to one of the older detectives. There could be detectives working on cold cases. You may just have a word with one of them and have a little chat about your feelings. Just ask him if those people were ever checked out and I am sure it would be in their file. There is no harm in doing that. I mean you were a victim of a very horrendous crime. And if some police officer is not adept at checking out anything even after all this time, he should not be acting as a police officer. I would give it a shot, I mean there is nothing wrong with jogging the detective's brain and just leave it at that. You will then have done your part and it won't nag at you anymore about what you think about this couple. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Woodland on September 17, 2010, 08:38:39 AM
Good advice cape!
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: female in halton on September 17, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
Dear Capeheart/Woodland: HEAR HEAR!!! It's just taking coming to terms with the whole oayrdeal, I know what I have to do. It's ndayagging at me lately, it's like some voice saying to me "if you know this you must tell, your information could be way more valuable than you think and how would you like it if your little girl was abducted and never to be seen or heard from again and someone had information and witheld it for some selfish reason?" Yuk. Now that's something I just can't live with. The weirdest thing happened today(it's an omen). A man I talked to today said that he had to appear in court yesterday, as he was waiting for the Judge, an older court officer said to him "don't I know you?" The man said to him "sorry I don't recognize you" . The gentleman explained to him that he was a Police Officer in Milton since the beginning of time. He also said that his first boss was Sergeant Patterson. In other words...he knows all the players in the game. So yes, your advice is quite valuable and yes there is someone out there to speak to that will know. Coincedence isn't it huh? There's always that little voice saying to me "what if you're wrong?" I tell myself no it is not you who is wrong it is these children of Satan who are wrong and it's time for them to come to the light where the good Lord wants them right now! not later, not before. Thank-you for helping me to work this through with others who are anonymous to me. It helped. I visioned this woman telling the little girl in Kilbride that she knew one of her parents and that she should come with them, then putting her in the car then hanging a right on Hwy.#6!
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: rdlogie on September 25, 2010, 08:47:39 PM
Hello everyone, when they were around 11 yrs old (approx. 1975) my wife and her friend were nearly abducted from the Centre Mall in Hamilton (which is just a short drive over the Skyway bridge from Burlington/Halton). The man was posing as an undercover police officer and blamed them for stealing the geometry sets they had just purchased. They of course followed him - ultimately to his car at the back of the parking lot. When my wife noticed beer bottles in the back seat, she kicked him and they ran. The police looked into it, and had them walk around the mall the next day (as if he'd return after that!!??). My wife and her parents always felt that the police took the case very lightly and didn't ask as many questions as they should have. The guy was never caught, but we've recently been discussing it and we're quite sure my wife would not have been his first - or last attempt. In fact he could very well have been successful more than once!!! I remember hearing about the Marianne Schuett story a few years after it had happened (I was too young at the time she was taken), and I clearly remember the story of Cindy Williams - a 4-year old Hamilton girl who was abducted in 1974 (?) and then found murdered about a year later. Shortly after that, I remember having a feeling that the same creep was responsible (no specifi reason for thinking this), and then when we were dating and my wife told me her story, I immediately thought that all three stories were related..... same general area, same general time period. I'd love to be able to hear other similar stories from the area and time to see if there's a connection.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on September 26, 2010, 01:41:11 PM
It is a fact taht in those days, police were not yet aware of how predators operated. This also could have been someone who committed similar crimes but because of a lack of communications with other police, it fell thru the cracks. Glad she got away.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Canne on November 23, 2010, 08:55:32 AM
I remember vividly when Marianne went missing.  I lived in Milton and was 9 years old at
the time.  There has never been one month in the past 43 years that I have not thought
of that little girl.  I have on many occasions attempted to find out if anyone ever found her
and of course there are always the theories about who took her.  After so many years I
do not have a lot of hope about her ever being found alive but I do hope that she is watching from heaven knowing that she is not forgotten.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 12:43:18 AM
Halton's longest-serving cop still enjoys work
By Dennis Smith
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Feb 27, 2008
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With involvement ranging from murder investigations to intelligence and surveillance to studying at the FBI National Academy, Insp. John van der Lelie has seen nearly everything during his policing career.

He is Halton's longest-serving, active officer.

Van der Lelie was honoured for 40 years of policing service at a ceremony recognizing Halton officers and civilians, held last Thursday at the Burlington Convention Centre.

Fifty-one people were presented with bars, pins and medals for 20 years or more service.

"I've had a good run of it. I've always been proud and pleased to be a police officer," said van der Lelie "There has been the odd day when I'm not as happy, but generally speaking it has been very rewarding."

He noted only a few police officers earn 40-year bars, as most usually retire after 30 or 35 years.

"It all depends on how you feel yourself," said van der Lelie. "I'm not quite ready to retire."

The officer plans to continue his career as long as he's happy and healthy in his work. Although still with Halton police, he's on permanent secondment, working since 2000 on major crime cases for the Ontario Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services.

As the unit's software co-ordinator, van der Lelie makes data available to every police service in the province, issuing about 200 messages daily. All sexual assault and homicide cases are on the database.

"It provides links for investigations that may never have been thought of," he said. "The information is put in and compared. It involves leading edge tools and innovative protocols."

He said it's a co-ordinated effort that makes sure information doesn't slip through the cracks. He noted in the past predators could go into another jurisdiction that would not have information about them.

Van der Lelie's local policing career dates back to 1967, when Canada's Centennial Year was being celebrated and Lester B. Pearson was prime minister.

He started as a patrol officer with the Burlington Police Force, which was amalgamated into Halton Regional Police in 1974.

He was a breathalyser officer, who then became a detective constable and later a sergeant in Burlington Criminal Investigations Division.

Continuing up the ranks, van der Lelie served as a sergeant in Oakville and as a staff sergeant, his postings included the complaints bureau, Oakville division and major crime.

He also served as the chief staff officer and was inspector for the regional criminal investigation division, which then covered major crimes, drugs, identification, intelligence and surveillance.

Training stints at the FBI National Academy, the Canadian Police College and the Ontario Police College were among other interesting experiences for van der Lelie.

Two unsolved cases he particularly recalls are the 1967 disappearance of Kilbride schoolgirl Marianne Schuett and the 1984 murder of Oakville resident William McIntyre, an OPP plainclothes constable.

Van der Lelie recalls being involved in a follow-up search for Schuett and working on the mystery 25 years later.

"Some cases seem to stay with you," he said. "It's the unsolved cases you remember most."

He also did an audit of the Special Investigations Unit on behalf of the Attorney General.

"The series of recommendations were all adopted and changed the way the SIU does business," said van der Lelie. "It was very contentious for awhile."

He has lived in Burlington since 1967 and van der Lelie and his wife Dolene have been married for nearly 39 years.

Their children include Dan, a firefighter who's president of the Burlington Professional Firefighters Association, and Julie Riesberry, a teacher at St. Gabriel School.

Also recognized for 40 years service was retired Const. Pat Wood, a former court officer.

Recognized for 35 years service were Supt. Keith Gregory, Staff-Sgt. Mark Martin, Const. George Whitehouse, Const. Wayne Parkinson, Insp. Dave Gwilliams and Sgt. Alex Fishbein.

http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/article/157512 (http://www.flamboroughreview.com/news/article/157512)
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 12:55:43 AM
UNSOLVED TRAGEDY: The former Kilbride Street home of Marianne Schuett's family is located less than a half kilometre from Kilbride School. On the afternoon of April 27, 1967, the 10 year old was returning from school when she stopped to talk to a man driving what was described as a Renault station wagon. She reportedly got into the car, which proceeded to drive directly past the Schuett house. Within hours, Marianne was reported missing to police. Ron Kuzyk, Post photographer

Here, from left, Det. Keith Woudstra and Det. Sgt. Kevin Britton of Halton's homicide unit stand in front of Kilbride School, where Marianne was a student. She vanished during the short walk home from school.


A composite sketch the a Renault station wagon.

A composite sketch of a suspect was issued based on witness statements that the girl had stopped to talk to the driver of a car described as a Renault station wagon. Marianne got into the car and was never seen again.

http://www.insidehalton.com/searchresult?AssetType=Image&q=Schuett&r=all:1&sortby=ReleaseTimestamp (http://www.insidehalton.com/searchresult?AssetType=Image&q=Schuett&r=all:1&sortby=ReleaseTimestamp)
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 01:01:36 AM
And here is the pics for the above mentions. The house where Marianne lived and the school she attended.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 01:03:07 AM
suspects vehicle. sketch of suspect.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
And two picture of Miarianne.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Sleuth on November 24, 2010, 01:07:36 AM
sorry the suspect picture is so little. I will try and blow it up to a larger scale when I have a few minutes.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: capeheart on November 24, 2010, 11:51:31 AM
Was this case something like Kyron Horman's, a case where the child was not missed for several hours. Because it seems strange they could not get a line on the vehicle. And do you suppose that it was the correct description of the vehicle, (was there more then one witness). How far is that area from the US border? Just thinking the perp could have quickly crossed to the US.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: FM on April 17, 2011, 06:51:11 PM
More Marianne Schuett results from this Halton News source:
http://news.halinet.on.ca/results?q=marianne+schuett&st=kw

Here are more details on the 1969 search.
http://news.halinet.on.ca/89092/page/1

The prison informant's tip seems a little more credible: He was only in on minor charges. He said it was an acquaintance who showed him the body, not a fellow prisoner, although other reports say he heard it in jail. The site was a little over a mile from where the Marianne's alleged shoe was found, on Hwy 25 near 17th Line.

The crevice location is identified as "a half mile south from the end of Third Line" beside the Bruce Trail, and I believe I located it. Pictured below. 
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Betty000 on April 22, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
I grew up in the Kilbride area where Marianne went missing and went on the search for her when this happend.  Still no one knew what happened to her?  How can this be.  These were the good old days when people did their part to help look for missing children.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: FM on April 27, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
For anyone wondering how forensic examiners 'confirmed' the blue shoe that was found on Hwy 25 was Marianne's, it was done by comparing 'perspiration stains' on the shoe with stains on Marianne's other clothes, and 'red stains' inside the shoe with coloured socks she owned. (Toronto Star May 6, 1967, Toronto Star Archives)

A constable discovered the shoe. I'm guessing it must have been left right by the side of the road, probably thrown out a car window, and the officer saw it as he was driving by. You have to wonder whether it means Marianne's body was left in the area or the shoe was left to throw everyone off the trail.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: FM on May 10, 2011, 04:55:30 PM
I went through the Hamilton Spectator articles for Feb. 16 and 19, 1991 and here is some of the information provided about 'Suspect X' whom police believed "100 percent" was Marianne Schuett's abductor.

- he looked like the composite sketch
- he wore round, wire rimmed specs like the man in the sketch
- neighbours said he stopped wearing a glasses after the disappearance
- he owned a 67 Renault, just bought and only three were bought in Ontario,
- he was spotted at Borer Falls Conservation in Dundas cleaning his car the 'day after' the disappearance
- the Dundas witness was the only one who could pick his photo out of a lineup
- his 'common assault' conviction in 1972 included a 'minor' stabbing, victim could not testify
- he was uncooperative with investigators and, when he did talk, he did not deny that he did it but was challenging them to prove it.

P.S. A witness said she saw the abductor's car parked on Bell's School Line (200 metres south of 14th Sideroad, NW side of rd.) about an hour after Marianne disappeared. I got the exact location from a relative of the witness who says police had the area searched by parties four feet apart. But the area is near the Bruce Trail and I believe the abductor could have parked there for a long time and gone far afield.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: gwen on June 30, 2011, 06:17:43 AM
In 1967 when this abduction happened I lived in a small town in southern ontario.  There was a rumour that a well known man from town was responsible. He committed suicide two weeks after the abduction of Marianne and the rumour was that they found girls clothing by his body.  I was 13 at the time she disappeared and have kept a picture of her by my desk these last twenty years.  When I was attending University in Hamilton and read an article on Marianne in the Spectator I called the Halton Police and told them the name of the guy and also that a couple of years after he killed himself many of the sunday school children he taught came forward to disclose that he had molested them. I returned to that town several years ago to check out the rumour and many people still believe he was responsible for Marianne's death.  When I called the police with what I heard they didn't really want the information as they feel the guy in Hamilton is the one and are not really interested in any further tips. The officer said to me that they will never solve it and I said not unless you look. Her body could be in the basement of this man's house....I guess they think we will never know.  Just wanted to let you know that people in good faith give tips but in this case they did not seem at all interested.  So glad for this forum. I hope this is solved in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: susietoms on December 07, 2011, 02:31:48 PM
Dave

Are you serious about this post.  because i just found some interesting information. If you google Dave Schuett ontario (Mariannes Brother)  you will see Dave Schuett facebook click on it one of his friends is Ruth Benham.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Chris on December 11, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
It's possible (Likely) that is how he came up with that name.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Pilatunes on December 15, 2011, 11:58:24 AM
This case has been of interest to me since I read about it many years ago.  It's a shame, to say the least, about the police not following up on that car lead at the time.

Has the guy who claimed he had seen the body disappeared into oblivion?   Or has he ever been reinterviewed?  Since the original dig, there doesn't seem to be any mention of him. 

I was also wondering if someone knew exactly where the shoe was discovered?  All I have been able to find is 'on Highway 25 near 17 Sideroad'.  Is there a marker at the side of the road where her shoe was found?

And last, have cadaver dogs ever been brought back to the area...I know from watching shows about cold case files that cadaver dogs have been able to find evidence many years later.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: susietoms on December 15, 2011, 01:31:58 PM
i also found this story the resemblance is there http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/search/label/1960%27s     
My mother loved to sing to me. If I close my eyes really tight and think hard I remember. I remember being in one room and her in another separated by a child guard she would sing so heavenly it would ease my discomfort of her not holding me.

That was one of only a couple of memories I have from my early years. See my mother she would never hold me again. I would never hear her sing again. We didnít share our lives together.

Sometime in the early to mid 1960ís I was ripped away from my security. The peace, joy and comfort I had with my mother were replaced with years of deceit, confusion, fear and terror. Sure I was given three squares a day like any inmate would receive. There was a roof over my head and clothes on my back, but it was never home. Not my home. I was abducted.



I long for the day I can go home. Itís been over forty-five years but my desire is as strong now, as it was when I was torn from my mothers love.

The name Lisa is of a pretend friend of mine from childhood. Why Lisa? Could Lisa be my name? The difference in my story is that Iím living, breathing and desperately seeking to find my way home. Can you help me?

I could have been from anywhere in the United States, East Coast, West Coast, or Canada. Anywhere is possible.



Here is what I look like today, my stats:

Age: (approx) 49
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'9

Birthmarks/ scars: scar on inside lower right leg

Health conditions: Asthma, Allergies, Tooth with no adult tooth underneath, high blood pressure, diabetes

Other: Freckles


Do you know anyone else who looks like this, or looked like this? Iím looking for my mother. Maybe thereís a sister or aunt who are also searching for a stolen child from the 60ís? I want to find my way home. You can help me do this? Please circulate this to every person you know in this world. I believe that the right person at the right time will see this and know who I am. They can tell me. I can find my way home.

If you are the person who knows me, please contact me through this blogger:

Can You Identify Me?
Attn: Rebel J. Morris
702-508-4720
canyouidentifyme@yahoo.com

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mAfDIMyJweA/S5gpaNW_gMI/AAAAAAAAA5Y/z1z9U0h0Thk/s400/Lisa+Doe+Child+edited+B%26W.JPG


Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Coral on February 08, 2012, 03:31:34 PM
Female in Halton- Fortunately we do not know why these 2 people took you.  Maybe they wanted a child of their own, maybe they were pedophiles.  However, maybe other little girls did find out what they wanted with a young girl.  They may be alive, reliving bad memories, haunted by what happened to them, and don't know where to find these 2 creeps.  There may be dead little girls who cannot speak of the horrors these 2 inflicted upon them.  I'm amazed you've had the self restraint and didn't go knock on their door and repay them for their little afternoon beer session.  Regardless of whether or not you confront them abput what they did to you, I think you should speak for those who can't.  i doubt that they stopped with you.  Who knows what they are responsible for.  See out police help NOW.  Tell them what you know.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Logical on March 16, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
i also found this story the resemblance is there http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/search/label/1960%27s     
My mother loved to sing to me. If I close my eyes really tight and think hard I remember. I remember being in one room and her in another separated by a child guard she would sing so heavenly it would ease my discomfort of her not holding me.

That was one of only a couple of memories I have from my early years. See my mother she would never hold me again. I would never hear her sing again. We didnít share our lives together.

Sometime in the early to mid 1960ís I was ripped away from my security. The peace, joy and comfort I had with my mother were replaced with years of deceit, confusion, fear and terror. Sure I was given three squares a day like any inmate would receive. There was a roof over my head and clothes on my back, but it was never home. Not my home. I was abducted.

I long for the day I can go home. Itís been over forty-five years but my desire is as strong now, as it was when I was torn from my mothers love.

The name Lisa is of a pretend friend of mine from childhood. Why Lisa? Could Lisa be my name? The difference in my story is that Iím living, breathing and desperately seeking to find my way home. Can you help me?

I could have been from anywhere in the United States, East Coast, West Coast, or Canada. Anywhere is possible.



Here is what I look like today, my stats:

Age: (approx) 49
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'9

Birthmarks/ scars: scar on inside lower right leg

Health conditions: Asthma, Allergies, Tooth with no adult tooth underneath, high blood pressure, diabetes

Other: Freckles


Do you know anyone else who looks like this, or looked like this? Iím looking for my mother. Maybe thereís a sister or aunt who are also searching for a stolen child from the 60ís? I want to find my way home. You can help me do this? Please circulate this to every person you know in this world. I believe that the right person at the right time will see this and know who I am. They can tell me. I can find my way home.

If you are the person who knows me, please contact me through this blogger:

Can You Identify Me?
Attn: Rebel J. Morris
702-508-4720
canyouidentifyme@yahoo.com

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mAfDIMyJweA/S5gpaNW_gMI/AAAAAAAAA5Y/z1z9U0h0Thk/s400/Lisa+Doe+Child+edited+B%26W.JPG

Susietoms, were you ever leagally adopted, I know you say you were abducted, I have a half sister that did not grow up with me and she felt the same as you but was legally adopted?

Can you tell us
1. What area you grew up in, you say you could be from anywhere but where did you live most of your life Canada?
2. How do you know you were abducted, you mention a Child Guard between you and your birth mother, was she incarcerated?   
3. You indicate you are 49, are you sure? do you remember being around 4 years old and being with your mother?
4. Have you ever gone to the police for assistance in locating your mother?
5. Are the people who raised you still alive?
6. Do you think you are Marianne? not sure the age lines up, in 67 you would have been around 4, Marianne was 10 when she was abducted?

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: heal the hearts on September 30, 2012, 10:21:40 PM
Hi,
 I am new here,

I have been following this as a guest and I had to join in. This is so sad for the family!!
I read a few posts here recently and noticed they have been cleared from the board,
does anyone know why they would remove it.
It was from the username  "medium" and the name "Dave" signed to the bottom of the post,
 I must contact him as it could be very important, as he had information that I find incredible!!
I need to try or I will never know... if anyone can help me out that would be great, email PM to me,
 Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: wedidnotforget on December 16, 2012, 08:50:48 AM
Hello, I must ask if we realize there were two suspects over many years that both committed suicide? did they both do it or is there room to admit the one or ones responsible may still be around and real closure for this little girl and her family may be possible.could anyone knowing the names of  the suspects that killed themselves private message them to me. connecting the dots...
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Logical on November 06, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
Reading Noreen Greelys posts today and her picture reminded me of Marrianne? They are similar in appearance and so was the suspect descriptions, car could have been similar as well?

The thing that is so odd with Marrianne is that she lived directly beside the school. Yes the driveway to leave the school was very long, the school was set way back from the road. She made it to the end of the long school driveway and was taken before she could turn right and go approx 400 yards to her door.

So many kids would be walking out that driveway and parents would be pulling up, stopping along the road, school busses would be leaving or boarding in the parking lot far from the road.

If the perp is unknown to Marrianne, how do you get her to get in the car? She did not need a ride. And there had to be so many other people around?

Logical

Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Logical on November 07, 2014, 10:46:32 AM
I posted this on Noreen Greely site, but wanted to show the similarity in the perp drawing and the murder victim Albert Peacock.

York, maybe look into Clarence Albert Peacock. His pic is a cut and paste of the perp drawing for Marrianne Schuett and I believe the suspect descriptions were similar in Noreen's abduction?


http://www.yrp.ca/coldcases8195.aspx

He went by Albert Peacock, found murdered, strangled 1991

Here is an article with MS suspect drawing

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2942514-what-really-happened-to-marianne-schuett-/

On this link, the slide show on the right may or may not have the perp pic on display, click through to pic 4 I believe.

Eerie similarity in the pic, I apologize if he was another innocent murdered party but am curious to know more about him, only because as searching other info his pic popped up just after I saw the MS perp pic and could not get over the similarity?

Logical
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: MAGPIE on December 16, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
I just came across Marianne Schuett's case on the Jane doe site, I can't believe the connection between this case and Noreen Anne Greenley's. Noreen I smy Husbands sister, she went missing Sept 14 1963.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Logical on December 16, 2014, 08:48:23 PM
I apologize MAGPIE I did not intend to offend with suggesting they may be connected.

Logical
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: PE1964 on March 11, 2015, 01:37:09 PM
In and around 1963/1964 I was around 5, in Kindergarten at a public school in West Hamilton. It was either early fall of 63 or spring of 64, that I don't remember. I do recall I was not dressed heavily in a coat, and the sun made shadows on the side walk.  A little girl in my class and I were leaving the building and there was a long pathway down to the street where parents lined up with cars to pick children up. It was in this line up that a man sat waiting in a vehicle.  He called out through an open window "your Dad sent me to pick you up". The little girl went for the door handle, he leaned over to the passenger door, and I grabbed her arm. I remember saying something like "no,lets just walk" and I pulled her back. he shouted out again "you girls are going to be in trouble your Dad sent me to pick you up". My little friend didn't want trouble and would have gone over but I held her tight to me. "No thank you we want to walk" I shouted back. We headed down the sidewalk, and this car followed along with us for 3 or 4 blocks til there was a dead end in the road and just a little pathway to cross over a railway. We ran  to our homes, and I told my mother. She went to the school and looked around the area for a car that I mentioned.  I still remember this moment and what the vehicle looked like and recently reported that to crime stoppers. Our school made an announcement the next day about not talking to strangers, but all this happened before the Marianne Schuett tragedy and I was around 9 when that happened I doubt anyone added up the circumstances, but I never forgot that in all these years nor forgot Marianne Schuett's name. In this day and age the police would have been involved, there would have been more of an investigation.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: Concerned on March 11, 2015, 06:36:48 PM
PE1964, welcome to the site and thank you for taking the time to contribute to Marianne's thread. What an awful experience you and the other girl lived through. I'm so very glad you were able to properly guide your friend to safety. How very wise of you at 5 years old.

Are you able to describe in detail what the vehicle looked like (color, make, model, tires, etc) and the guy who yelled to you?  I wonder if schools keep the records on file. And, if they have police reports. It would make sense to go to area schools and look at past records, and then try to marry the information with information on record for vehicle registrations, perhaps perp records as well. Say, a perp that was caught years later that had a vehicle at that time that matched the description.

I wonder if police can go to those lengths to try to find suspects?
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: lostlinganer on March 13, 2015, 10:49:30 AM
great advice C.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: CAJ on March 14, 2015, 09:36:22 PM
Marianne and her family attended the same church as I did when I was growing up in Burlington during the 60's and 70's. I recall my mother telling me of her abduction and I was full of questions and afraid. My mother tried the best she could to assure me and give me information only as a young child could comprehend, of just what happened to Marianne. As she and her family had attended the church, there was " buzz" going on about her abduction/disappearance through talk and the newspapers. I would have been around 5 at the time of Marianne's disappearance. Some years later, ( around 1972/73 ), my brother and I and another pair of pals from down the street were playing in the woods at the back of our public school ( Mohawk PS located on Spruce Ave.). Climbing trees, attempting to build a fort out of fallen trees and generally just hanging out on a Saturday in the small woods in back of the school. We had all ridden our bicycles there. I had noticed a man walking casually around the perimeter of these woods where we were playing and became conscious of his presence. To say the least, I did become concerned because it seemed odd that this adult man was in close proximity to us kids playing. We continued talking and playing and having a good time. At some point we were so involved in our activity that I had not noticed that this man had moved in closer to our location and when I did look... I was astonished to see that he was now only about 13 to 14 feet away from us behind some fairly tall standing trees. He was peering at us and I can still remember what he was wearing. Men's pants ( not jeans but pants dark in colour ), a red and white gingham or checked shirt. A light coloured jacket over that shirt, he had short cropped fair hair or very little hair and he wore glasses. He was white. I mentioned to one of my friends that there was a strange man watching us. They became alarmed but I told them not to draw any attention to us. I told them I was keeping an eye on this man but if anything felt very uneasy that we should all get on our bikes and hi tail it out of there. I was watching casually but the situation escalated into me seeing this man masturbating himself. I told my friend, " did you just see what he did?" They replied in a panic. " Yes I did... what are we gonna do?" I told them, " We're gonna get on our bikes and get the heck out of here as fast as we can!" I rounded up my brother and his friend and we all got on our bikes and sped home panting and scared. We drove the 5 minutes to my friends house, ran into their garage and stayed there to catch our breath and then decided we would be safer in the house in the basement and hid in the crawlspace for what seemed like an eternity ( but more likely was 2 hours ). We were afraid and spoke in whispers and soft tones. Afraid that this man would chase us home and find us and hurt us because of what we saw and knew about him. As children, we talked about it for a few days and then went on our lives and time marched on. The one thing I really do regret is that I never told an adult about what happened to us until very recently. I will never forget that man's appearance and what he did to violate our souls and minds and frankly our childhood innocence. The man we saw that day so many years ago bears a striking resemblance to the composite drawing of the man who is believed to have abducted Marianne Schuett. Over the years I have been reminded of the case of her and the possible linkage to the incident that my brother and I and our 2 friends experienced. It was brought back to my attention today because of a recent video I saw of a man in the US who had attempted to abduct a young boy while his young siblings chased him down and thwarted his attempt. They were brave and braver still for having told their parents what happened immediately. To this day, my parents who are still living in that same neighbourhood, do not know of the events that my brother and I and our friends went through. We were scared stiff. It was a different time and a different place and unfortunately a lot of things that went on were kept silent. There were no counselors, no advocacy groups no advertisements telling children that they should tell. I think I will never forget the initial sense of fear I had in learning what happened to Marianne Schuett nor of that awful day we went through and the similarities of her abductor and that strange man watching us over 40 years ago.     
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: 2soccermom on March 14, 2015, 10:47:41 PM
CAJ -- what a terrible experience for you and your friends at such a young age. I'm sorry you all had to go through that; what a relief you were able to get away, even if still haunted by the memory. I wonder if it might be worth speaking to each other -- you, your brother, and friends -- in case there might be some significant details one or some of you could recall? Was there a vehicle nearby? Were you close enough to tell if the man had any distinguishing physical characteristics (as LE usually ask), etc.? might it be worth contacting someone who worked on Marianne's case to see if you might have something useful to share, even if you don't yet know it could be useful? Just some thoughts. Again, I'm so sorry you had to endure that.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: CAJ on March 15, 2015, 07:42:39 AM
It may be of worth to talk with my brother about this although I have never discussed it with him since that time. As for our friends from down the road, they moved back to Winnipeg Manitoba about a year after. I still remember the siblings' names and last name. Just wouldn't know if they are there, alive, and if they were, if they wanted to talk about it. So long ago. In our haste to escape on our bikes away as fast as our feet could peddle, I do remember a car in the school parking lot which we had to pass by. I believe it was dark but don't remember much else about it. We were just scared kids and wanted to get out of there fast. I don't know who I could contact from an authority standpoint. If anyone has details about that I would appreciate receiving same.  I contributed because I felt it to be cathartic for me and for anyone reading the information.  One never knows. What I do know is, the memory and thoughts of what my pals and I went through in those woods behind our school that day, will probably never leave me but wont haunt me forever. The unknown regarding the case of Marianne Schuett is however a mystery and because of that, has and remains to greatly bother me and from reading posts, others to this day. I am grateful to have discovered this forum.
Title: Re: Marianne SCHUETT (10) - Missing (27 April 1967)
Post by: 2soccermom on March 15, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
I guess you could try the following:

"Britton said anyone with information about Marianne or the case can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477) or visit www.haltoncrimestoppers.com" (from http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2942514-what-really-happened-to-marianne-schuett-/)

 -- and let the LE folks who have more experience with these things decide if it's worth pursuing?

I'm not sure, but it can't hurt, I don't think, to present the info.
thanks for sharing here. Again, so glad you, your brother, and friends that day made it away safe.