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Title: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 16, 2017, 11:19:38 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-toronto-dead-apotex-1.4451452

Canadian pharmaceutical giant Apotex has confirmed its founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey Sherman, are dead, amid reports that two bodies were found in their Toronto home.

"All of us at Apotex are deeply shocked and saddened by this news and our thoughts and prayers are with the family at this time," the company said in a statement late Friday afternoon, adding that the deaths were "unexpected."

Emergency crews were called to the home at 50 Old Colony Rd. in the Bayview Avenue and Highway 401 area around 11:45 a.m. ET for a medical emergency.

That's where Toronto police say a male and a female were pronounced dead on the scene.

Deaths deemed 'suspicious'
Police have not yet confirmed the victims' identities, nor where in the home they were found. They would also not say if there were any signs of trauma to the bodies.

Speaking to reporters Friday, Det. Brandon Price said the deaths are "suspicious" but are not yet being treated as homicides.

Barry Sherman
The two people found dead in the home of a Canadian pharmaceutical executive Friday have been confirmed, by the company, to be Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey. (CBC)

That's because, Price said, investigators are still trying to "determine if there is foul play involved or not. And at this point we cannot say 100 per cent with certainty if there is or there is not."

"We're going to know a lot more tomorrow," he said, adding that results from post-mortem examinations have yet to be received.

Hopkinson would not say who found the bodies, but CBC Toronto has confirmed with a police source that they were found by a non-family member.

'It was picture perfect'
In an update Friday evening, police said they were not searching for a suspect and that there were no signs of forced entry to the home.

Neighbourhood resident Sarah Alvi lived across from the Shermans and said she was shocked at the sight of police activity in what she described as a lovely and quiet neighbourhood.

"We've never seen something like that on this street...  Especially with these people, everybody knows who they are ? it was really surprising, it was heartbreaking actually," she said. "Lovely people."

Old Colony
Emergency crews were called to 50 Old Colony Rd. in the Bayview Avenue and Highway 401 area around 11:45 a.m. for a medical emergency. That's where police say two people were found dead. (Katherine Brulotte/CBC)

Alvi said when she heard the Shermans were selling their home, she'd gone in "for fun, just to check it out."

At the time she said she spoke with Honey Sherman, who she knew quite a bit better than Barry Sherman. Everything seemed normal, Alvi said.

"The kids' rooms were gorgeous... It was picture perfect."

'Unwavering philanthropic leadership'
Sherman founded Apotex in 1974 after buying out his uncle's smaller company. The pharmaceutical giant produces and exports generic drugs to more than 115 countries worldwide, according to its website.

Along the way he amassed a vast fortune, recently estimated by Canadian Business magazine at $4.77 billion, making him the 15th richest person in the country. The North York home where their bodies were found was registered to both Shermans, and had recently been put on the market for approximately $7 million.

CANADA-DEATH/APOTEX
One of two bodies removed from the home of billionaire founder of Canadian pharmaceutical firm Apotex Inc., Barry Sherman and his wife Honey, who were found dead under circumstances that police described as "suspicious" Friday. (Chris Helgren/Reuters)

But while he was known for his success in the drug business, he was perhaps equally known for his generosity. The couple made numerous multimillion-dollar donations to hospitals, schools and charities and had buildings named in their honour.

"They were extremely successful in business but also very, very giving people," former Ontario premier Bob Rae told CBC News on Friday.

"He was the bane of the existence of the branded drug companies in Canada. He was not their favourite person, but he was respected," said Paul Grootendorst, associate professor at the University of Toronto's Leslie Dan Faculty of Pharmacy.

'You can't take it with you, so the best alternative is to put it to good use while you are here.'
? Barry and Honey Sherman
In a statement, Mount Sinai Hospital board chair Brent Belzberg said the hospital community was shocked at the loss.

"Barry and Honey Sherman's commitment to community, unwavering philanthropic leadership and heartfelt commitment to making a difference in people's lives was palpable in every interaction with them. Their visible leadership on our hospital and foundation board of directors was infused with warmth, passion and a fierce intelligence," the statement said.

A University of Toronto website lists the Apotex Foundation and the Shermans as donors in the range of $10 million to $25 million during 1995 and 2003. They also donated roughly $50 million to the United Jewish Appeal.

In a statement on the Jewish Foundation of Greater Toronto's website, the Shermans expressed their particular "obligation" to support the Jewish community.

"We are fortunate in being able to contribute," the couple is quoted as saying. "You can't take it with you, so the best alternative is to put it to good use while you are here."

'Great leaders'
Word of the Shermans' deaths prompted an outpouring of grief for the pair across the business and political community.

Mayor John Tory expressed his deepest condolences to the Sherman family on behalf of Toronto residents.

As a producer of more than 300 generic pharmaceutical products, Apotex has seen a fair number of litigation issues, as companies have pushed back on its efforts to sell cheaper no-name options.

One of the most high-profile of those clashes occurred when pharma giant Bristol-Myers Squibb sued Apotex in 2006 to try and stop it from selling the first generic form of the heart-disease treatment Plavix.

Over the years, Sherman faced legal action from family members, who alleged they had been cut out of the company over the years.

With files from The Canadian Press
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 16, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/16/murder-suicide-is-the-working-theory-for-police-investigating-death-of-billionaire-and-his-wife.html


who would have guessed this??\jb


Murder-suicide is the working theory for police investigating death of billionaire and his wife
The bodies of Barry Sherman and his wife Honey were found in their North York mansion just before noon Friday.

Toronto police are probing the deaths of billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife with the theory that it was a murder-suicide, police sources confirm to the Star.

The bodies of Sherman, 75, and his wife Honey were found in their North York mansion just before noon Friday.

Officially, Toronto police have released little information about the deaths, beyond that they were deemed suspicious.

But police sources say police are now probing the deaths with the possibility that they were a murder-suicide.

The bodies were discovered by the couple's real estate agent Friday, who had been helping to sell the multimillion-dollar home. The agent entered the house after having not been able to get hold of the couple.

The bodies were located together, by the Shermans' indoor pool, according to a police source. The couple have four children.

Toronto police homicide squad is being consulted on the investigation, but has not taken over as lead investigators. As of Saturday afternoon, the case was being handled by detectives with Toronto police?s 33 division.

A post mortem on both bodies was being conducted on Saturday.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 16, 2017, 05:03:20 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/autopsies-barry-sherman-honey-sherman-apotex-founder-two-bodies-north-york-1.4452684

UPDATED
Family of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman slams rumours circulating ahead of autopsy results
Scene outside the home of Apotex founder and his wife became site of makeshift memorial Saturday
CBC News Posted: Dec 16, 2017 2:24 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 16, 2017 5:48 PM ET

The family of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey, are criticizing reports speculating about the cause of the couple's deaths ahead of the release of autopsy findings..

In a statement released Saturday, the family said  "our parents shared an enthusiasm for life and commitment to their family and community totally inconsistent with the rumours regrettably circulated in the media as to the circumstances surrounding their deaths."

"We are shocked and think it's irresponsible that police sources have reportedly advised the media of a theory which neither their family, their friends nor their colleagues believe to be true," the statement continued.

CBC News has not reported on any unverified details about what led to their deaths. Autopsies were taking place on Saturday.

Apotex founder Barry Sherman and wife, Honey Sherman, found dead in North York home
The Sherman family statement called for a thorough and objective investigation by police and requested that media not report further on any cause of death until the investigation is complete.

Makeshift memorial set up outside home
The comments come one day after the noted philanthropist couple were found dead inside their Toronto home.

The snow-covered lot on Old Colony Road outside their home became the site of a memorial Saturday, as investigators await the results of autopsies being performed on their bodies.

Flowers and police tape could be seen outside the home, from which their bodies were removed on stretchers Friday evening.

Emergency crews were called to the home at 50 Old Colony Rd. in the Bayview Avenue and Highway 401 area around 11:45 a.m. ET Friday for reports of a medical emergency, where Toronto police say a male and a female were pronounced dead on the scene.

On Saturday, police remained tight-lipped about the investigation, reiterating that while the deaths are considered "suspicious," they are not yet being treated as homicide.

Trying to 'determine if there is foul play'
Speaking to reporters Friday night, Det. Brandon Price told reporters investigators are still trying to "determine if there is foul play involved or not. And at this point we cannot say 100 per cent with certainty if there is or there is not."

Price did confirm there were no signs of forced entry into the home and that police are not searching for any outstanding suspects.

Police said Saturday they hoped to receive the results of the autopsies later in the day.

Meanwhile, officers are interviewing the Shermans' neighbours. A number of police vehicles were parked outside the mansion on Saturday.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 16, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
I tried to catch CBC with updates as the Coroner was to release his findings today yet, but didn't hear anything new.
Did not the same rumors begin initially regarding the Pichosky/Wise deaths in Florida as well?
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
Got to thinking - They were selling their home and yes they had an agent.  However, someone could have phoned this couple with a view of looking at.... and gained entry that way.  However, whomever gained entry must have been able to go to a door to avoid security cameras. Surely this couple had security cameras?  And did they not have household staff?
Obviously not on that day.  Who would know that?

This may not be a slam dunk......

Was anything missing?  Perhaps the killer did not clean them out, but was selective in taking a few things only!  An example is the Cdn couple vacationing in Florida - the Petoski's.  Her ring was taken. ONLY!!

The autopsies will answer many questions. 
If not two homicides, then it remains to be seen whether the coroner will publicly release his findings.
jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2017, 07:06:28 PM
I am not going to remove my above post, however I just now googled this couple and here are the results of the autopsy.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/17/police-await-autopsy-results-in-suspicious-deaths-of-billionaires-barry-and-honey-sherman.html

Homicide investigators take over case of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman
Autopsy results showed ligature neck compression was the cause of death, Toronto police said, after the couple was found dead in their Toronto mansion on Friday.

Toronto police homicide investigators have taken over the investigation into the deaths of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey, after autopsy results revealed the couple died from ligature neck compression.

Police said post-mortem examinations were performed on Saturday and Sunday.

The couple was found dead in their North York home just before noon on Friday. The bodies were discovered by the couple?s real estate agent, who had been helping to sell the multimillion-dollar home. The agent entered the house after not being able to contact the couple.

The bodies were located together by the Shermans? indoor pool, a police source told the Star.

Read more:

Police investigating possible murder-suicide in deaths of billionaire and his wife

Apotex billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey found dead

The Sherman family issued a statement late Saturday afternoon urging police to conduct a thorough, intensive, and objective criminal investigation after several media outlets including the Star reported that police were probing the possibility of a murder-suicide as cause of death

The police statement Sunday did not indicate Toronto police were investigating a homicide or homicides, only that the homicide unit had taken over investigation of the deaths.

Sherman, the founder of generic drug giant Apotex, was one of the richest men in the country, with an estimated net worth of $4.6 billion. He built Apotex from a two-employee company in Toronto into a global pharmaceutical organization that employs more than 11,000 people around the world.

Police said circumstances of the deaths ?appear to be suspicious,? but noted they are not looking for any suspects and that there were no signs of forced entry.

After building their residence, the Shermans moved into the 50 Old Colony house in January 1991.

Police tape surrounds the home of billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey one day after their bodies were found.
Police tape surrounds the home of billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey one day after their bodies were found.  (ROBERT GILLIES/THE ASSOCIATED PRESS) 
On Saturday, the home page of the Apotex website memorialized Barry Sherman and the legacy he built.

?Dr. Sherman gave his life to the singular purpose of our organization ? innovating for patient affordability,? the commemoration read. ?Patients around the world live healthier and more fulfilled lives thanks to his life?s work, and his significant impact on healthcare and healthcare sustainability will have an enduring impact for many years to come.

?As employees, we are proud of his tremendous accomplishments, honoured to have known him, and vow to carry on with the Apotex purpose in his honour.?

The couple had donated millions across the city, from the United Jewish Appeal to the United Way. A charitable arm of Apotex has shipped millions of dollars worth of medicine to disaster zones.

In addition to donating to charities mainly in the Toronto area, Barry Sherman was a prominent backer of the Liberal party led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

This year, Karen Shepherd, the federal lobbying commissioner, said she was investigating the propriety of Sherman hosting a Liberal party fundraiser in 2015 that featured Trudeau before he was elected prime minister.

Because Sherman was registered as a lobbyist at the time, some political opponents and a political ethics group charged that the event violated federal lobbying rules. Apotex had asked a court to end the investigation, calling it an ?unanchored fishing expedition.?

Trudeau was among many prominent Canadians who expressed sorrow over the Shermans? deaths.

?Sophie (Gr?goire Trudeau) and I are saddened by news of the sudden passing of Barry and Honey Sherman,? Trudeau wrote on Twitter. ?Our condolences to their family & friends, and to everyone touched by their vision & spirit.?

The address where the bodies were found was recently listed for sale for $6.9 million. Neighbours confirmed that the property was the couple?s home.

With files from Wendy Gillis, Tamar Harris and The Canadian Press

Read more about: Quebec, Apotex, Justin Trudeau

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2017, 08:16:57 PM
Shocking=This article is before the autopsies.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3921034/suspicious-death-of-apotex-founder-barry-sherman-and-wife-honey/

Sources reveal details of ?suspicious? deaths of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and wife Honey
By Jessica Patton  Web Writer    Global News

The bodies of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife Honey were found dead, hanging from a railing around the indoor pool in their home Friday morning, sources tell Global News.

Toronto police said they are still awaiting results from the autopsies being performed on two bodies on Saturday to confirm how exactly they died.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 18, 2017, 01:31:35 AM
Well that still leaves it up in the air, nothing clear cut. If both were found hanging, it was not mentioned before. So that must be why police made their initial assessment as murder/suicide.
One of the articles claim that there was no break and entry into the house.
Police likely have security cams already.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 18, 2017, 01:43:47 AM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/police-investigating-deaths-of-toronto-billionaire-barry-sherman-and-wife-as-murder-suicide/article37357096/

Snipped for repetition

The Shermans, the family said, had just welcomed a new grandchild. Mr. Sherman was 75 and Ms. Sherman, 70. They had four children.

Last Monday, Ms. Sherman had e-mailed friends to book social dates on the couple's upcoming Florida trip.

"Looking forward to getting together in Florida. I am coming south Monday, December 18 - Friday, January 12," she wrote in the email.

"Barry is coming south for Monday December 25 & going home with me Jan. 12. Please let me know your dates south asap so i can place in my calendar... Looking forward to hearing back asap. Xoxo Honey"

Apotex posted a message on its website paying tribute to Mr. Sherman's entrepreneurial and philanthropic efforts. "Dr. Sherman gave his life to the singular purpose of our organization ? innovating for patient affordability," the company said. "As employees, we are proud of his tremendous accomplishments, honoured to have known him, and vow to carry on with the Apotex purpose in his honour."

Mr. Sherman's net worth was recently estimated to be $4.77-billion by Canadian Business, an online magazine, making him the 15th-richest person in Canada. He had donated widely to political and community causes after making his fortune in the pharmaceutical world.

The Shermans have handed out millions of dollars to hospitals, universities and the United Jewish Appeal. Honey was on the board of governors at York University, the Baycrest Foundation and Mount Sinai Hospital. She is also the past chair of the Jewish Foundation of Greater Toronto and former chair of the Holocaust Education Centre.

Former city councillor Mike Feldman, who has known the Sherman family for years, said relatives of the Shermans who were with Mr. Feldman vacationing in California were told by other family members in Toronto about the deaths. Mr. Feldman said the family was in a "complete state of shock" and was having trouble getting information from the police about what happened.

Mr. Feldman said family members had told him that Mr. Sherman had not been at work on Thursday, and that no one had heard from his wife that day, either.

"We don't know what happened. A family member got information and called me.? We don't want to interfere with a police investigation, but on the other hand, the kinfolk want to know about their kinfolk."

Lights were on inside the home when the bodies were discovered Friday, as police officers worked inside, illuminating what appeared to be a Frida Kahlo canvas.

Speaking to reporters outside the house, police spokesman Constable David Hopkinsonaid police did not believe there was a threat to public safety.

A neighbour said that despite their vast wealth, the Shermans lived a low-key life.

A man who identified himself as a personal trainer arrived at the scene saying he had an appointment to train Ms. Sherman. He asked if he could duck under the police tape to get inside, and was told no. He spoke briefly with officers and left visibly shaken.

Sarah Alvi lives with her family across the road from the Sherman home and has known the couple for four years. She said that she last saw them two weeks ago, when they had an open house ? and could not imagine anything like this happening to a pair she described as the "best neighbours" and the pride of the neighbourhood.

"It's heartbreaking. It's shocking," Ms. Alvi said. "Knowing who they were, it wouldn't come to your mind at all. "

Mr. Sherman had been diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2006 and had surgery that year. In 2007 he told the Globe and Mail that the operation had gone well and that he was back working fulltime.

He and his wife were well known as polar opposites in many ways. While Ms. Sherman was an outgoing socialite who had a passion for several charities, Mr. Sherman was more reserved and didn't like going to community events, according to those who knew the couple personally.

Friends and colleagues have long said that Mr. Sherman was consumed with work and that he devoted almost all of his time and energy to Apotex, frequently sleeping for only a few hours a night. He had almost no outside interests and no taste for luxury, once driving an old car into such disrepair that Ms. Sherman went out and bought him a new Mercedes.

"Barry liked to do one thing: work. He worked seven days a week and he loved it," says Murray Rubin, 87, a retired pharmaceutical industry colleague.

"He loved the action?the modus operandi of the pharmaceutical business," he says.

Mr. Rubin described the couple as kind and generous, and says he was shocked by the news of their deaths, and expressed disbelief that it could have been a murder-suicide.

"That is impossible," he said Saturday.

The news shocked other friends and business associates, some who started posting tributes online.

David Palmer, vice-president of advancement at the University of Toronto, grew to know the couple over the past decade through their philanthropy and volunteer work at U of T.

Ms. Sherman was "always very positive, she was bright, she was engaging, she was open and transparent and spoke her mind," he said. She had served with the faculty of social work's advisory committee. "She was interested in people experiencing challenges, people from disadvantaged backgrounds, and also in advanced research, particularly in the area of health sciences."

Mayor John Tory told reporters Saturday he and his colleagues are "shocked and saddened" by their deaths. "These were extraordinary citizens of the city of Toronto, and of this region and of this country."

Ms. Sherman, he said, "was a volunteer extraordinaire. She lit up any room that she came into."

Eric Hoskins, Ontario's Minister of Health and Long-Term Care, tweeted: "I am beyond words right now. My dear friends Barry and Honey Sherman have been found dead. Wonderful human beings, incredible philanthropists, great leaders in health care. A very, very sad day. Barry, Honey, rest in peace."

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wrote on Twitter that he and his wife Sophie "are saddened by news of the sudden passing of Barry and Honey Sherman. Our condolences to their family & friends, and to everyone touched by their vision & spirit."

Businessman Frank D'Angelo cited Mr. Sherman as "my best friend and my strength."

"There are moments in life that test your intestinal fortitude. I'm weakened & heartbroken by the tragic & devastating news of the untimely death of Barry & his wife Honey," D'Angelo tweeted Friday.

Mr. Sherman was known to have bankrolled many of Mr. D'Angelo's projects over the years, including the Steelback Brewery?which ultimately racked up millions of dollars in debts before being taken over by Mr. Sherman's son, Jon, in 2008.


With reports from Tu Thanh Ha, Joe Friesen, Molly Hayes and Paul Waldie
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: debbiec on December 18, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
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Last Monday, Ms. Sherman had e-mailed friends to book social dates on the couple's upcoming Florida trip.

"Looking forward to getting together in Florida. I am coming south Monday, December 18 - Friday, January 12," she wrote in the email.

"Barry is coming south for Monday December 25 & going home with me Jan. 12. Please let me know your dates south asap so i can place in my calendar... Looking forward to hearing back asap. Xoxo Honey"

Although I am unsure if anyone yet knows the exact day that the Sherman's died, I have to wonder about the timing. They were found on Friday, only a few days before Honey Sherman was to leave for Florida. This was to have been the last few days that the couple would be in Toronto together, until January 12.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 18, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
One article stated that Barry who had always been at work was absent on Thursday and no one heard from Honey since Thursday.

Then there is this recent article which has much repetition from media as well as videos. Snipped for a small piece that seems new.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3921922/homicide-police-barry-honey-sherman/

Excerpt:

Quote
Sherman faced legal action from family members alleging they had been cut out of the company over the years. As a producer of more than 300 generic pharmaceutical products, Apotex has itself seen a number court cases, as companies have pushed back on its efforts to sell cheaper no-name options.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 18, 2017, 12:34:23 PM
http://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/death-of-billionaire-and-wife-suspicious-say-police-after-bodies-found-in-couples-toronto-mansion

Excerpt:

Barry did not show up for work on Thursday, an unusual occurrence for the work-obsessed man, friends said.

A medical emergency call was received at 11:44 a.m. and firefighters, ambulance and police all responded to the Sherman home.

?Two persons were found within,? said Captain David Eckerman of Toronto Fire Services.

Police said the investigation at Sherman?s sprawling estate on Old Colony Road in North York is ongoing.

?Every avenue will be explored by our investigators,? Const. David Hopkinson said outside the house.

The house is listed for sale with an asking price of $6.9 million. It features six bedrooms and nine bathrooms, an indoor and outdoor pool, underground parking for six cars with heated ramp. It has been on the market for 18 days.

They were always wanting to help the community

   
The couple bought the house in 1985 for $390,000, property records show. It was being sold under a numbered Ontario corporation with Barry Sherman listed as the sole director.

Friends say the couple was having a new home built closer to downtown Toronto.

Asked why the couple chose to list in winter ? considered to be a poor time to enter the real estate market ? the Sherman?s real estate agent Judi Gottlieb declined to comment.

?The Sherman?s were very dear friends of mine for many, many years and we?re all in shock,? she wrote in an email. ?More than this, I?m not prepared to talk about.?

The Shermans? house was the setting of a Liberal Party fundraiser with Justin Trudeau during the 2015 federal election, an event that became the subject of a probe by the federal lobbying commissioner over whether Barry Sherman breached rules against fundraising and lobbying.

Sherman?s career in the pharmaceutical industry started as a young man working with his uncle, Louis Winter, who owned Empire Laboratories.

Sherman took over the company when his uncle died in 1965, before branching out to found Apotex in 1974 and building it into a major player in the Canadian pharmaceutical industry. The company went from two employees to more than 10,000 in several countries producing more than 300 generic pharmaceuticals.

The transition would eventually cause problems between Sherman and his cousins, who launched a legal action against Sherman that spanned more than a decade. The cousins claimed they were entitled to 20% of Apotex, arguing Sherman owed them a ?fiduciary duty? as the children of Louis Winter.

An Ontario Superior Court justice in September disagreed, according to the judgment. At the time of the judgment the cousins? lawyer told the Toronto Star they planned to appeal.

Accolades for the Shermans flowed quickly on social media as news spread Friday afternoon.

Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister, offered public condolences on Twitter.

?Sophie and I are saddened by news of the sudden passing of Barry and Honey Sherman. Our condolences to their family & friends, and to everyone touched by their vision & spirit,? he wrote.

?Deeply shocked to learn of the deaths of Honey and Barry Sherman, such remarkable people,? said former Ontario premier Bob Rae. ?Grappling with this terrible news.?

Frum said their loss will be felt by thousands.

?What hall would be big enough to hold all the people who were touched by Honey and Barry and whose lives where improved by Honey and Barry who just enjoyed the pleasure of knowing them.?

? Email: ahumphreys@nationalpost.com | Twitter:
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 18, 2017, 12:40:18 PM
Every Canadian has at one time been prescribed a generic drug..... saving us lots of money over the years.  I hope his business will continue, as it could send a patients world into great debt./jb

Good point debbiec - the timing is very interesting, as she was leaving for Florida first.
For some reason, it was important to the killer, that both of them should lose their life, and this was the only opportunity that the killer had?

After reading news articles and statements made by family and friends, I do not believe it was a murder-suicide.

I wonder if this was a Murder for Hire?
I think they were murdered on Thursday, and that the murders were well planned.
To gain access to this couple would have been easy - posing as  a potential buyer for their home.
It could have been set up as a rush to view and purchase, and of course using a phony name.

In my opinion, they were targeted - but why?
Who would ever want to harm this wonderful couple?

jb.

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 18, 2017, 03:08:57 PM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/explainer-barry-sherman-honey-sherman-apotex/article37363712/


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JIM ROSS/THE GLOBE AND MAIL

The company he built
Mr. Sherman's death has caused grief at the generic-drug giant he founded, which is trying to find its way in a rapidly changing pharmaceutical industry.

Over 43 years, Mr. Sherman and Apotex made billions by reverse-engineering brand-name drugs, reproducing them and selling the cheaper alternatives. Today, the company has more than 10,000 people in research, development, manufacturing and distribution facilities worldwide, with more than 6,000 employees at its Canadian operations. Filling more than 89 million prescriptions in a year and exporting to 115 countries, the privately-held company says its worldwide sales exceed $2-billion a year.

But the company is under pressure on multiple fronts:

Industry upheaval: Governments, health providers and regulatory agencies want more generic drugs at a lower cost, pinching profits and intensifying competition between the pharmaceutical firms supplying those drugs.

 Mr. Sherman, the company?s chief formulation officer, was key to designing almost every dose formulation Apotex brought to market and specialized in getting out generic alternatives to brand-name drugs before anyone else. His death could be a serious setback to the company?s future plans.

Litigation: Over the years, Apotex has faced down major legal challenges from Big Pharma companies, notably a 2006 lawsuit from Bristol-Myers Squibb to stop their generic form of a heart-disease drug. Mr. Sherman regularly sued rival companies and governments to protect Apotex?s patents. But he also struggled with legal action from family members alleging they had been cut out of the company.

Now, Apotex has a third challenge: Choosing a successor to Mr. Sherman. The company says more information will be provided soon. In a statement, Apotex praised the founder's legacy and said it would continue:

Dr. Sherman gave his life to the singular purpose of our organization ? innovating for patient affordability. Patients around the world live healthier and more fulfilled lives thanks to his life's work, and his significant impact on health care and health-care sustainability will have an enduring impact for many years to come. As employees, we are proud of his tremendous accomplishments, honoured to have known him, and vow to carry on with the Apotex purpose in his honour.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 23, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
Why are detectives checking sewers?

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/23/police-investigating-sherman-deaths-checking-sewers-for-clues.html

Police investigating Sherman deaths checking sewers for clues
Sewer searches can sometimes find objects that someone tried to stash, officer explains.

Toronto police extended their investigation into the suspicious deaths of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman to the sewers near their home Saturday.

The founder of Apotex and his wife were found dead Dec. 15 in their home on Old Colony Rd., near Bayview Ave. and Highway 401.

Sewer searches can sometimes find objects that someone tried to stash, an officer outside the home explained.

Using a hydro-excavator ? a high powered truck that uses water to remove the sewer?s contents without causing damage ? and a magnet attached, Det. Richard Weller of the forensics unit explored the sewers of Old Colony Rd.

He pulled his Toronto police toque over his head as the snow fell Saturday morning. Weller, who worked from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. Friday night on the investigation, marked observations in a notebook, and pulled up a pile of damp leaves at one point. It?ll be his job later to sort through whatever is found.

The street outside 50 Old Colony Rd., where the Sherman lived, was quiet as the search continued. A single police car was parked out front, where an officer kept a watchful eye on the scene.


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Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 24, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/the-life-and-tumultuous-times-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

The life and tumultuous times of Barry and Honey Sherman

Pharma impresario Barry Sherman built a generic drug empire, and a reputation as a tough, even ruthless negotiator and businessman.

Sherman never backed down from a fight.

Those who knew him say it was his willingness to go to war ? about anything ? that helped make Sherman one of the country?s richest men.

During his life, he launched literally hundreds of lawsuits and was on the receiving end of more than a few.

And it made him a lot of enemies.


?The concept of letting go was not in his DNA,? longtime friend and former Apotex CEO Jack Kay said. ?He was tenacious when he felt he was right.?
Sherman, 75, and his beloved wife Honey, 70, were found dead a little over a week ago in their York Mills mansion.

The shocking deaths have rocked Toronto?s Jewish community to its foundations. Sherman gave a considerable part of his $4.7 billion fortune to various charities ? in Canada and Israel ? while his wife served on a wide array of charitable boards.

Always hovering in the background was a toughness, a willingness to stand up for what they believed in, including a Bleak House-like legal brawl pitting Barry against his four orphaned cousins.

The willingness to go to war was hard-wired into the couple.

*****

Dark clouds in the form of the terrifying Nazi war machine roared through Poland in September 1939.

To Jews being trampled under the German jackboot, the worst was yet to come when Hitler favourite Reinhard Heydrich proposed the Final Solution. The systematic erasing of European Jewry from the face of the planet through sinister death camps.

Honey?s parents miraculously survived the Holocaust, most of her relatives did not. She was born in an Austrian displaced persons camp in 1948 and came to Toronto with her parents shortly after.

But as with many families who survive a life-altering ordeal those horrors are seared into their collective soul ? forever.

Their son Jonathan Sherman alluded to the genocide when he noted that his family, and many others, rose ?like a phoenix from the ashes of the European Holocaust.?

?When someone tries to snuff you out, or eliminate important parts of your family, we rally together and emerge stronger than ever,? he said in his moving eulogy to more than 7,000 mourners at the cavernous International Centre in Mississauga.

Jonathon Sherman speaks during a memorial service for his parents Barry and Honey Sherman.

*****

Unlike Honey, Barry Sherman was born into prosperity in Toronto ? his father Herbert a successful zipper manufacturer. Sadly, his father died of a heart attack at just 46.

His devastated son was 10 years old. Losing his father was doubly difficult for the shy, introverted boy who battled lethargy until the day he died.

Into the chaos stepped his beloved uncle, Louis Winter, a biochemist who owned Empire Laboratories, a drug manufacturer. He became the future pharma tycoon?s surrogate father.

Academic success in high school preceded his graduation from engineering physics at the University of Toronto with a gold medal. Graduate work at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology followed.

In Charles Dickens? famed novel, Bleak House, an elusive fortune ruins everyone who touches it. And that was a bane that Barry Sherman faced until his final breath.

Louis Winter?s wife Beverly was diagnosed with leukemia but before she could pass from this realm, her husband died suddenly of a suspected aneurysm in November 1965.

In a 2008 Toronto Life article, it was revealed that Barry visited his aunt?s bedside and talked about what would become of her four young sons when she died.

And they talked about Empire.

?He said that if she and the executors wished, he would take over the business and protect its value for the benefit of the children,? the magazine reported.

?In return, they would have to grant him the right to purchase the company if it came up for sale. Beverley discussed the idea but made no decision. Seventeen days later, she was dead.?

Just three days after his aunt died, Sherman made a similar proposal to the trustees of Lou Winter?s estate. No dice, Empire ? and the children?s inheritance ? was held by a pair of lawyers, a number cruncher and Royal Trust.

*****

Joel Ulster was Barry Sherman?s oldest friend. As teenagers, they promised one another that they would go into business together.

In 1967, they did just that when Barry returned from school in the States.

Empire was floundering. Sales were down 20% from 1965.

Sherman ? a man with all the angles covered ? hinted darkly to the board that the Winter orphans could sue Royal Trust for negligence.

So, the two friends bought Empire for $350,000 thanks to loans from Sherman?s mother, Sara, and Ulster?s dad.

But there was a stipulation that would come back to haunt the billionaire: the orphans would get jobs with the company when they turned 21 and have the right to purchase shares.

There was another but: that would only happen if Sherman kept control of the business.

?I?m saddened that it has come to this,? Kerry Winter, one of the cousins who is suing, told CBC in the spring. ?It?s a tragedy.?

*****

In 1970, as sales of Empire were climbing steadily, Sherman met the love of his life: Honey Reich, a U of T student. She was cute, smart and funny.

Honey was yin to Barry?s yang. Four children would follow ? Lauren, Jonathon, Alexandra and Kaelan.

?We live nice lives, not large lives,? Honey told a Toronto Life writer in 2008.
Their son Jonathan at their memorial service said of the pair: ?You were like a lock and a key: each pretty useless on your own. But together you unlocked the world for yourselves, and for us and for so many others.?

*****

A company called ICN Pharmaceuticals wanted to buy the reinvigorated Empire. Just under $2 million. A non-compete agreement aimed at Barry was easily evaded by a loophole.

He launched Apotex the next year and Sherman was at the right place at the right time. From two employees, Apotex became the largest generic drug company in the country. Sherman pushed his pills on the principle of speed, telemarketing and mail order. It made him rich beyond his wildest dreams.


Barry Sherman (left), Chairman and CEO of Apotex and Jack Kay (right), President and COO are seenin this file photo.

*****

For the orphans, their mother ? a convert ? had wanted them to go to a Jewish family instead of her own. The four heartbroken boys found themselves in a cold, loveless home that triggered decades of resentment and trouble.

There were battles with drugs, the cops, school, relationships. To be fair, Barry Sherman was unaware of the ordeal his cousins were enduring until the 1980s and when he found out, he did what he could to help. He gave them millions, bought homes and cottages for them, paid for rehab and welcomed them into the bosom of his family.

It wouldn?t be enough. People who know Sherman say he was ?devastated? by the $1 billion lawsuit launched by members of his own family a decade ago.

The boys argued that Sherman?s considerable success was due in no large part to the businessman taking over their father?s company. Sherman in characteristic fashion, counter-sued to get the money he?d given them back.

The suit was tossed in September but is being appealed. What it means now that Sherman is dead is anyone?s guess.

*****

Over the course of his life, the pharma kingpin never hesitated going to war. He famously battled with Dr. Nancy Olivieri over one of Apotex?s drugs. More recently Sherman and Honey sued the builders of their home.

There are hundreds of other little battles whose status may ? or may not ? be resolved because of the couple?s tragic deaths.

*****

In the days following his suspicious demise, another picture has also emerged of Sherman. It is one far from the litigation-crazed bogeyman he was sometimes made out to be.

That of a mensch, a Yiddish word meaning a man of honour and integrity, who was so frugal he drove his cars into the ground. The charity of the Shermans appears to have known no bounds, large sums and small, very large, very public donations and helping out an old friend down on their luck.

Thousands of his Apotex employees came out, decked in the company?s blue colours to pay tribute to a boss who walked with kings but had the common touch.

What happened in the last hours of their lives at 50 Old Colony Rd. is anyone?s guess but it draws to a close a remarkable story of a remarkable couple, who gave so much.


Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne speaks during the memorial service for Apotex billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman in Mississauga, Ontario on Thursday, December 21, 2017.

Premier Kathleen Wynne alluded to the Jewish tradition of Tzedakah, or charity.

Beyond a guideline, it is an obligation to help the less fortunate.

The Shermans tried to fulfill those obligations ? and scorned those who didn?t.

?Our parents never left anyone behind,? their son said.

bhunter@postmedia.com
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Concerned on December 28, 2017, 09:27:27 AM
Is there a security system and security staff for the family. Why would a family of this wealth not have security available. Killing them in their own home seems to me to be the least place you would want to do so. If they were selling the property and showing it to a rushed buyer, why wouldn't that be handled by the real estate people. Normally, the couple would not be home when the house is shown.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 28, 2017, 01:46:45 PM
According to the following article, the Sherman's did have a security system but didn't use it. Both had just come home to their house arriving in different vehicles ... Barry from a meeting with builders (their new house) and Honey from wherever she had been. I didn't realize they were both found in their winter garments. So imo, there already was an intruder there, or they had both arrived together to show someone a private viewing which could have been pre-arranged without the realtor knowing. Still I think it will be someone they both knew well or knew them well ... to strike at a time like this before they moved to a building which probably had more up to date security. JMHO
It's great there will be new fresh eyes looking over the evidence as well.

http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 28, 2017, 07:17:50 PM
Thanks for the Frank Mag article sap1. 

Does anyone believe that this couple was found with winter coats and boots on [as per article]?

I wonder where Frank got this info?  Do they verify everything?

I find this pretty hard to buy into.  First of all, people who enter their homes, always remove their winter boots- as soon as they walk in the door.

I do think it is possible two perps were involved. for reasons given in Frank.


jb
 
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 29, 2017, 12:05:54 PM
OMG! OMG! I did it again! Not reading everything before posting!! My apologies. Jellybean, I decided to research Frank because i don't think I ever read any of the articles before. Never mind the alleged facts they give. This following line is a disclaimer on their google site.

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Frank Magazine from Ottawa, Canada. Canada's leading satirical magazine. Our mission: Expose the guilty, provoke the greedy and mock the powerful.

Perhaps I should remove the whole post? Satires provoke. That was not my intention at all.  Plus do I believe the couple were found in their winter garb? I can see keeping a winter coat on longer, especially after coming in from the cold, but not traipsing around the house in winter boots and going to the swim pool that way, unless of course they were doing a quick "showing" of their house to someone who dropped by.

One thing that has been pointed out and I concur ... plus the idea never entered my mind of a murder/suicide ... Barry is not a big man and he had back problems and Honey weighed more than he did.

I also kind of thought about a bit of a political twist ... the Sherman's apparently supported Trudeau campaign very well, and the very anti-Trudeau people like LaMuete are very capable of snuffing out life. Just a thought I had.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 29, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Gosh sap1 - don't apologize.  I was not provoked.  I guess I led with the wrong wording in the  paragraph.

The article was Interesting.  Plus we did learn about back problems and Honey's weight.

Difficult for one person to hang them - I would think.  So I am buying into possibly two people involved.

Just not buying their assertion that they had their winter garb on.

I think that for the most part, killers are lazy people.... they would not exert themselves more than they can help it. 

Therefore, I think the hanging is leaving a message.

This sight of this couple was very important to the killer.




jb




Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 29, 2017, 02:37:29 PM
JB, I wasn't referring to you and there's nothing wrong with what you wrote at all. By provoking I was thinking of the families of this victim couple. In no way would I show a grieving family disrespect and that is why I wonder about leaving the article up. I should recognize satire vs reality ... since I am a fan of "Bones" TV serial shows; watching all the reruns over the years. I just didn't know Frank but should have, since the page doesn't look like a credible news report.

I do agree there had to be more than one assailant. Who would want a loving and giving couple dead? I can't see big Pharma putting themselves into jeopardy either but it is always said to follow the money trail. Nothing was stolen apparently, so the assailants didn't even take one thing to throw off the investigation. To me that means they were very certain they would not be found.
If that part is true about being suspended on a three foot high railing, then indeed it sounds like a "message" to someone. There definitely had to be more persons involved because average height persons cannot be hanged on such a short rope.   
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Concerned on December 29, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
That's what I find odd. To take the time to hang when there is a pool nearby and easier, faster ways of accomplishing things. Perhaps you are on to something Jellybean... the location meant something. Also, if they were met somewhere else and taken to the house, they would keep their boots and coats on. That tells me that they were not willing even at the time entering the house, perhaps. Maybe one came home and was forced to call the second. The fact that they were not killed earlier is interesting. If the intent was to kill, then why would they be down by the pool? Unless the person was called to fix the pool? Hmmmm....   

If that was a satire site, was the fact that they were found hanging by the pool and with winter garb fact or satire, do you think?
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 29, 2017, 02:42:34 PM
Other credible media sources also claimed they were found hanged by the indoor pool.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2017/12/18/sherman-deaths-probe-what-happened-inside-50-old-colony-rd.html

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A police source told the Star the couple were discovered by their real estate agent and found near their indoor lap pool, photos of which were recently included in a real estate listing for the home, valued at $6.9 million. Multiple news outlets have reported that the couple were found hanging; the Star has not independently confirmed this.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 29, 2017, 02:50:50 PM

I don't believe the killers got into the home to await this couple.  Too risky - as security alarms might have gone off - unless they were 100% sure that the alarms would not be on - which I doubt
 they would take that chance.

If they were found in regular clothes, here is one possibility.  Two people arrive to look at the house.

One owner lets them in.   The couple are separated by enticing each one to show a part of the house separate from each other.

The one owner is garrotted by one killer in one area of the house, and the other owner meets the same fate in another part of the house by the second killer.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 29, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
I am leaning more to political problems.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/19/barry-sherman-was-under-investigation-for-breaking-lobbying-rules.html


Only days before he died, Toronto billionaire Barry Sherman was attempting to quash an investigation into a political fundraiser he held for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that allegedly ran afoul of lobbying rules.

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Sherman, who was found dead along with his wife, Honey, at their house on Friday, had been under investigation by lobbying commissioner Karen Shepherd since October 2016, and was facing a possible five-year ban from lobbying because of the fundraiser he hosted during the last federal election.

The lobbyists? code of conduct prohibits registered lobbyists, such as Sherman, from lobbying office holders they helped get elected.

Last May, Sherman filed a lawsuit in Federal Court to block the lobbying commissioner?s probe into him and his pharmaceutical company Apotex because it had been ?taken and pursued in bad faith and/or for an improper purpose.?

And then there is THIS:

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/justin-trudeau-fundraiser-picketed-by-jewish-group-over-liberals-support-for-iran-nuclear-deal

Snipped:

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About 30 protesters from the Jewish Defence League lined the street out front of Sherman?s lavish north Toronto home, holding Israeli and Canadian flags.

?Enjoy the food,? a man holding an Israeli flag yelled as guests walked up the driveway, past a line of valets. Tickets for the party and opportunity to meet leader Justin Trudeau reportedly went for $1,500 each.

One guest stopped and smiled at a protester in the picket line. ?Joel? What are you doing here??

The protester, Joel Goldman, said he was there because he didn?t support the Liberals? position on the Iran nuclear deal.

Then there is this group ... very strong anti-Muslim but also very anti- Trudeau and pro new conservative leader plus he seems to endorse them.
 https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/d7pmk7/la-meute-the-illusions-and-delusions-of-quebecs-largest-right-wing-group
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Concerned on December 29, 2017, 02:59:48 PM
Did we ever have an article that talked about the symbolism of the different ways in which a person is killed and what that means? Messages sent?
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 29, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
Looks like Frank might have been right about jackets.  How awful.  jb

http://torontosun.com/entertainment/books/warmington-questions-linger-about-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

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The Shermans were found hanging with men?s belts around their necks in the pool area of their mansion. They were in a sitting position with their legs out straight. Sources describe them has having jackets pulled down over their arms and pulled behind their backs.
Its a head scratcher.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 29, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-mystery-shrouds-deaths-of-billionaire-couple

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Sources say investigators found the Shermans, side by side, in their windowless pool room, each with a men?s leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing. Both had on jackets that were pulled ?behind their backs? and rolled down over their arms.

It is believed the camera in the pool area had been disconnected.
So far, police are not calling this a homicide but homicide squad detectives are on the case. Police spokesman Mark Pugash says it is still being treated simply as a suspicious death.

There are so many questions, so few answers and even more theories.

What we know:
? The Shermans died Thursday inside their 12,440 square-foot Old Colony Rd. mansion which was up for sale for $6.9 million.
? They were not found until 11:45 a.m. Friday.
? There was no sign of forced entry and no suicide note.
? The Shermans were planning to build a new home in Forest Hill.
? Toronto Police said they are not currently looking for suspects.
? The couple had scheduled trip this week to Florida.
? Autopsies Saturday and Sunday indicate the Sherman?s died from ?ligature neck compression?


Sources say police believe they are dealing with a murder-suicide and that Mrs. Sherman?s body may have been moved from a secondary scene inside the home to the pool room.

But the assertion this could be a murder-suicide was forcefully rejected by the Sherman?s children, Lauren, Jonathon, Alexandra and Kaelen.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 29, 2017, 09:22:21 PM
I think the Toronto police got tunnel vision very quickly in this case. The way they were both found, one person could do that to another but not to self, imo. Unless I am reading that incorrectly.
Well there is another renowned detective squad who will start from scratch and their word will likely be what will be considered as the truth.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 30, 2017, 01:41:42 PM
Then we have middle east groups?? International intrigue?

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 30, 2017, 03:01:52 PM
I think the use of a jacket pulled up and back over the arms, is a military tactic.  Using whatever is at hand {belts} is also a military tactic.

I do not believe this was carried out by a regular citizen, nor was it murder suicide.

I think whomever did this had military training; and the manner of their death was carried out to leave a message, and a warning  to a certain group, or a certain person.


jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Have faith on December 30, 2017, 05:38:47 PM

Although Frank magazine publishes satirical articles, I have read (from long-time readers) that it also publishes serious articles. I have to assume that their article on the Shermans falls into the latter category. The only included information from Frank, that is missing from other media sources, is that the Shermans also had their boots on. This may be a false report from their insiders.

The only official police statement listed the deaths as "suspicious", and that they were not looking for any suspects. It was a police "source" that said they were deeming it a murder-suicide, which obviously is in line with the official LE statement.

I initially figured that it must be a murder-suicide, trusting the experience and judgement of the investigators who surveyed the scene, and know a lot more than we know.  I'm not that sure now, but I am leaning toward this being the outcome at the end of the investigation. With the family hiring their own capable private detective, I trust that LE are aware that any possible initial tunnel vision won't be tolerated. That's comforting to know.

I read that LE used a vacuum device in the surrounding sewers to snag any metal objects. The reasoning behind this has been noted, as a way to snag a handgun, which could have been used to keep the Shermans under control. The aerial look at the roof could be to see if there was access to the house from the roof.

If this was a contract killing, done by a professional hit man (men) I imagine that it will be very difficult to trace and track him (them). They would likely be far removed by a few layers to the person who hired the hit. These are some of the observations that I have read, which I agree with.

This case is as mysterious as it is a tragedy. What a horrible way to die. JB--your "military" suggestion is impressive. You are so savvy, always thinking logically and when needed, outside of the box. You missed your calling as a top notch crime investigator.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 30, 2017, 10:36:55 PM
Very long article well worth reading as it has a timeline and seems to have everything in one place, including interesting subtitles.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/28/the-house-honey-and-barry-sherman-would-have-built.html
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 30, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
Many irons in the fire with rival drug companies.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/legal/embattled-teva-sues-former-regulatory-exec-for-theft-trade-secrets

Excerpt:

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As if Israel?s Teva didn?t have enough troubles on its plate?what with patent losses, pay-for-delay lawsuits, an ongoing CEO search and more?it?s now tangled in a full-blown soap opera with a former U.S. employee.

In a lawsuit filed in a federal court in Pennsylvania, the drug giant is alleging that its ex-chief of regulatory affairs for its American generics business passed trade secrets to her boyfriend, who happened to be the CEO of generics industry rival Apotex.

But it's far more than two lovers engaging in pillow talk about generic pills, Teva claims. The lawsuit alleges that, over a period of about two years ending in 2016, Teva employee Barinder Sandhu copied company files onto flash drives and passed them to Apotex CEO Jeremy Desai. Sandhu was fired in October 2016, according to the suit, which also lists Desai and Apotex as defendants.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
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But it's far more than two lovers engaging in pillow talk about generic pills, Teva claims. The lawsuit alleges that, over a period of about two years ending in 2016, Teva employee Barinder Sandhu copied company files onto flash drives and passed them to Apotex CEO Jeremy Desai. Sandhu was fired in October 2016, according to the suit, which also lists Desai and Apotex as defendants.

Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. is an Israeli multinational pharmaceutical company headquartered in Petah Tikva, Israel. It specializes primarily in generic drugs, but other business interests include active pharmaceutical ingredients and, to a lesser extent, proprietary pharmaceuticals. It is the largest generic drug manufacturer in the world and one of the 15 largest pharmaceutical companies worldwide. Teva's facilities are located in Israel, North America, Europe, and South America. Teva shares trade on both the New York Stock Exchange and the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. The company is a member of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.
Wikipedia ? Text under CC-BY-SA license
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 31, 2017, 12:36:40 PM
Following is a picture of Sherman's indoor pool. One article stated that Honey's study/office was next to the pool.

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2017, 12:39:44 PM
I wonder what charm Honey had to receive expensive property from $0 to $10? Wow - $0 for the property to build their dream home, and $10 for their vacation condo retreat in Florida.

She was quite the wheeler dealer.

 I could never manage it, even in a game of Monopoly.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 31, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
I don't understand that at all. Powerful people and exuberant gifts.
However their first house together as a married couple was an already established luxury house that others had lived in before, but several years later when they bought and moved in, found it unlivable and sued the builder for over 2 million dollars and won their suit. Barry also sued the new builders on the house that has not yet even been built. I can imagine that would hurt the company economically, especially at this time when companies that didn't collapse during the downturn are looking towards gaining a good financial footing.
I know I could not deal with such people very long ...
Other thoughts I will keep to myself.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2017, 02:23:31 PM
That is how people get sucked in.  Sellers see a rich couple coming, and know they are worth billions - and only to discover that the type of sale is not what they had anticipated. Even offered at a bargain - it would still have to be dickered downwards.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on December 31, 2017, 06:13:31 PM
The house they were presently living in was placed solely into Honey's name not long ago. The couple was found murdered in the pool area very near where Honey's office was in the house, although there have been comments made per media that one of them may have been murdered elsewhere in the house.

After reading over a lot of material, ie: lawsuits, sneaky loopholes in family businesses ... price paid and price sold for, etc ... this all sounds like a Robin Hood scene with a modern day twist. Offshore tax free accounts as well, probably.

Shades of Wong and Fendelat, imo. Very sad for family it has come to murder of their loved ones.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
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Shades of Wong and Fendelat, imo. Very sad for family it has come to murder of their loved ones.

I think you are right. And Wong and Fendelat murder is still unsolved.


jb

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 01, 2018, 12:30:50 PM
If this is outside the Norm, there may be others who do not feel secure.

It is best that the family have their own investigator, as they would feel more comfortable with him.
in my opinion.


jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 01, 2018, 10:53:48 PM
Depends now on what forensics Le have recovered. Hopefully they have plenty of surveillance video from neighboring homes to scrutinize , narrowing down who should have been in the area and who may be person(s) of interest... Business records may give insight and leads but not a smoking gun. The family will want to help le any way they can .. Seeing as the man they hired to conduct a  parallel investigation is apparently in good with Le it lends a much better opening to the sharing of leads and info..

Bolding is mine/jb
Makes perfect sense LG,  and hopefully le will be able to solve this mystery. 
And, I would think that the belts would yield very important clues.  Prints only of hubby in strategic places on the belts? Might point towards possibly hubby, and M/S might apply?
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Ron on January 20, 2018, 05:17:23 AM
Private investigation came to this conclusion.


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/private-investigation-concludes-shermans-were-murdered-report-1.3768057
   
      
   
      


Kayla Goodfield, CTV News Toronto
Published Friday, January 19, 2018 10:29PM EST
Last Updated Friday, January 19, 2018 11:31PM EST

Private investigators looking into the deaths of Honey and Barry Sherman have concluded that the billionaire philanthropist couple was murdered, a new report says.

The Toronto Star reported on Friday night that the evidence obtained by a team of former homicide detectives hired by the Sherman family determined that the pair were the victims of a double murder, not a murder-suicide.

Barry Sherman, 75, and his wife Honey Sherman, 70, were found dead in their North York mansion on Dec. 15.

An autopsy found the couple both died of ?ligature neck compression,? but police have released few other details regarding the investigation.

Speaking with CP24 on Friday, The Star?s chief investigative reporter Kevin Donovan said he believes a lot of Torontonians believed this was a double murder ?all along.?

?(The family) did not believe that their father would kill their mother and then they went and hired some professionals who looked at it and in The Toronto Star story that we?ve broken tonight, some of the new information that?s being revealed relates to marks found on their wrists indicating that their hands were bound,? he said.

The Star?s report noted that there were no ropes or other ties found at the scene, but men?s leather belts were tied around the couple?s necks.

?Toxicology reports show that no drugs were in their bodies that would contribute to their deaths and some of the words being used by people describing the scene was almost a tableau that was staged to look like something it was not,? Donovan said.

The initial theory of a possible murder-suicide was reported by multiple media outlets citing police sources.

The theory prompted the Sherman family to hire lawyer Brian Greenspan and former chief forensic pathologist for Ontario Dr. David Chiasson to conduct a private investigation.

Toronto police are conducting a separate investigation into the couple?s deaths, but their findings have not yet been released.

Officers said they are not providing any new information or comment at this time.

?I think what the family would like is for the Toronto police to give an update in front of the camera and say exactly what they think the case is, whether they still think it?s murder-suicide or, as the family thinks, a double homicide,? Donovan said.

Toronto police have been at the family?s home since the couple was found dead continuing to investigate.

Barry Sherman was the founder of Toronto-based Apotex Inc. in 1974. Honey Sherman was a member of the board of the Baycrest Foundation and the York University Foundation. She was on the board of Mount Sinai?s Women?s Auxiliary, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and the International American Joint Distribution Committee.

The couple was among Canada?s top philanthropists who made numerous multimillion-dollar donations to hospitals, school and charities.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 20, 2018, 12:30:12 PM
Thanks Ron for the update.  Wow - it was suggested by families investigators,  possibly several killers . Sounds like a team effort- para military experience. commando type of thing?  Unbelievable.

Possibly international killers?.... Professional killers?.
Both of the Sherman's were murdered in the same way.  Cold blooded and pointed towards a type of execution.   Then "displayed"= hung side by side together like game trophies. jmo. Awful!!



jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jobo on January 21, 2018, 03:29:48 AM
I?m not surprised the experts are saying double murder....now, to solve it.
Let?s hope, like you say...there?s CCTV in the neighbourhood.  Even still, the vehicle used is probably long gone.
Speaking of vehicles, I was upset when it showed the police towing the Sherman?s Mustang...they didn?t even have it in an enclosed trailer...and the roads in Toronto were not perfectly clear/clean...it?s winter.  I would think they would protect any (possible) evidence, better.

Well, there?s three reasons for murder...sex....money....revenge.
I will say it was revenge, but how far back will the Investigators have to go? 
There is a few unsolved murders of well to do couples on this website, that have not been solved.....
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 21, 2018, 12:11:46 PM
A review by police and the private investigators of CCTV footage taken from nearby homes has not sparked any leads, the newspaper said.

I have also read that the neighbour's cameras did not cover all of the Sherman's property - just a bit of the side.

I guess this makes sense.  People would be more concerned of their camera's covering their own property. 

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 21, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
Thus the problems and liabilities of having CCTV. They can only serve one's own home and area and streetview, or so I have learned when buying surveillance cameras. I was told I could be liable for porn watch in case my camera picked up any underage kids just goofing around.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 21, 2018, 03:42:08 PM
I agree with Jobo. Reasons for murder ...
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.sex....money....revenge
, and I suspect the latter two. 
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 21, 2018, 05:51:27 PM
quote jobo
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Speaking of vehicles, I was upset when it showed the police towing the Sherman?s Mustang...they didn?t even have it in an enclosed trailer...and the roads in Toronto were not perfectly clear/clean...it?s winter.  I would think they would protect any (possible) evidence, better.

Who owned the Mustang?  Barry or Honey? They each had their own vehicles.
does anyone know?

and  "While the bodies were discovered on Friday, Dec. 15, it appears the Shermans died between late Wednesday Dec. 13 and Thursday afternoon, Dec. 14. Family sources say the last known cellphone communication (text or audio) from the Sherman couple was Wednesday during the day."




jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 21, 2018, 10:24:38 PM
Barry must have driven the Mustang. Neighbors claimed that Honey drove the Lexus SUV. Also CP stated that forensics had been done on the vehicles prior to leaving the driveway of Sherman's. So I am guessing that further inspections may have been at the behest of the special investigative unit. jmho fwiw.

In a separate article I had read that the Sherman house was guarded night and day during the prelim investigation that just ended.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 21, 2018, 10:34:30 PM
I wonder what charm Honey had to receive expensive property from $0 to $10? Wow - $0 for the property to build their dream home, and $10 for their vacation condo retreat in Florida.

She was quite the wheeler dealer.

 I could never manage it, even in a game of Monopoly.

jb

There apparently has been a way of getting property real cheap amongst the luxury condo units in areas of Florida; cheaper than the prices laid out in the following lengthy article.

https://www.thenation.com/article/miami-where-luxury-real-estate-meets-dirty-money/
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 23, 2018, 11:38:12 AM
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CBC News has also learned that private investigators believe that Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered by multiple killers. 

If true, a lot of planning and recruiting took place.  It might have taken weeks or months to set it up.
Holy cow!!/jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 24, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-legacies-one-dark-mystery-toronto-elite-reeling-after-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-Sherman

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Through Apotex, the company he founded in 1974, Barry became a trailblazer in the business of generic pharmaceuticals, putting drugs on the market at prices that undercut their brand-name equivalents. He also became wildly wealthy ? the 15th richest person in the country, according to Canadian Business magazine, with a fortune of $4.77 billion.

In the boardroom and the courts Sherman was a streetfighter, but while alive his thoughts were often occupied by the inevitability of his own demise. ?I have always been very conscious of my personal mortality,? he wrote in an unpublished memoir penned on a family vacation in 1996.

In a series of interviews with American author Jeffrey Robinson in March 2000, Sherman was more specific ? and darker. He had made many enemies during a lifetime of legal scraps with the pharmaceutical industry and wondered why one of them hadn?t yet hired someone to kill him.

They hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time, trying to investigate. The thought once came to my mind, why didn?t they just hire someone to knock me off,? Robinson quoted Barry as saying in the book Prescription Games. ?For a thousand bucks paid to the right person you can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I?m surprised that hasn?t happened.?
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Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Have faith on January 26, 2018, 12:29:27 PM
In a press release video today, police have determined the Shermans were "targeted "and are investigating the case as a double murder.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sherman-deaths-toronto-police-update-1.4505259
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 26, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
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Gomes said police are looking into anyone who accessed the Sherman home ? which was up for sale ? including those who used a lock box. She said investigators have a list of people who had access to the home and it was ?significant.?

?Anybody who has had access to that home in the last so many weeks and months leading up to that weekend and those days? Important to us, absolutely,? Gomes said.

Police have an ?extensive? list of people they want to speak with, she added. Gomes would not say if the home was found intact, or whether anything valuables, such as jewelry or art, were missing.

The home had a lockbox and those who had access was significant.

Yet they did not have their security cameras on?

Barry had predicted that there are people who would like to have him killed, and yet no security cameras?

taken from reply 64

He had made many enemies during a lifetime of legal scraps with the pharmaceutical industry and wondered why one of them hadn?t yet hired someone to kill him.

"They hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time, trying to investigate. The thought once came to my mind, why didn?t they just hire someone to knock me off,? Robinson quoted Barry as saying in the book Prescription Games. ?For a thousand bucks paid to the right person you can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I?m surprised that hasn?t happened.? "

This home was not their primary residence.  This is important to know.

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That includes a detailed sweep of the Shermans? primary home in North York  three-storey residence that warranted six weeks? worth of efforts, Gomes said.

and here is an eye opener. Taken from post 66.

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Properties belonging to the Shermans that have been searched
150

Did they own 150 properties?


jb



Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 26, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
Thanks LG. I am glad I asked.  For a moment, I thought they owned
 a real estate portfolio of the City of TO. 
ttps://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crimeincanada/police-say-they-believe-canadian-billionaire-barry-sherman-and-his-wife-were-murdered/ar-AAvdhLZ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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The chief executive of Apotex, meanwhile, announced Friday he is leaving the company. Dr. Jeremy Desai had been CEO of Apotex since 2014. Apotex spokesman Jordan Berman said Friday he didn't know why Desai was leaving, but said he resigned to pursue other opportunities. Berman sad Desai's departure was not related to the Toronto police press conference.

 jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jobo on January 27, 2018, 03:51:42 AM
I wonder how long ago the Sherman?s decided they were going to sell their home. Wonder when new owners could take possession and if the Sherman?s had their other house built yet.
The timing seems awfully suspicious, as they were about to take off for vacations.
Whoever did this double murder knew exactly what the Sherman?s were doing....how did they know?  Did they somehow have traces on their phones? Or and insider that isn?t so trustworthy?
How did they know their schedule so well? The Sherman?s were about to go south... The Sherman?s came home separate, the realtor found them deceased the next morning, and the trainer came along to find police presence.  Did they not have housekeepers?  No one was around on the 13th? 
There was not much time left before Christmas vacations. Then the house could possibly sell while they were vacationing.
Glad to see that this Tom Klatt, investigator, has international experience...
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 27, 2018, 01:25:47 PM
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Emails filed in court show Sherman was introduced to the investment opportunity through his longtime friend Myron Gottlieb.

Those emails show correspondence between Sherman's holding company, Sherfam Inc., Gottlieb and Shaun Rootenberg.

Gottlieb emailed officials at Sherfam Inc. in August 2015 to thank them for the promised $150,000 investment.

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According to the court documents, Gottlieb, who is not named in the Sherman lawsuit, met Rootenberg in 2012 when they were both serving time in prison for fraud.

Gottlieb was convicted along with Livent co-founder Garth Drabinsky in 2009 for defrauding their now-defunct musical production company Livent Inc.

Looks like Barry went into business with sleazy people.
Brought in people with a criminal past into his holding company.
Never thought anything of it, until he was scammed by one of them.

They all travel together in close circles, and BS would have known the history of Rothberg. Word gets around in their social circles.
So no doubt he knew R served time for fraud.

I am slowly losing sympathy for this victim.

jb


Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 27, 2018, 02:12:11 PM
Thanks LG. I am glad I asked.  For a moment, I thought they owned
 a real estate portfolio of the City of TO. 
ttps://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crimeincanada/police-say-they-believe-canadian-billionaire-barry-sherman-and-his-wife-were-murdered/ar-AAvdhLZ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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The chief executive of Apotex, meanwhile, announced Friday he is leaving the company. Dr. Jeremy Desai had been CEO of Apotex since 2014. Apotex spokesman Jordan Berman said Friday he didn't know why Desai was leaving, but said he resigned to pursue other opportunities. Berman sad Desai's departure was not related to the Toronto police press conference.

 jb
Desai has had problems in the past with divulging trade secrets. I can not understand people who run their businesses on lies and deceit for any reason. What goes around, comes around.
I know I would be a very poor business person because I need to have honesty and transparency.

It's a shame this couple had to lose their life over money. 
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 27, 2018, 03:09:22 PM
One of its competitors in pharma market is Teva Pharmaceuticals with its headquarters is in Israel, in fact it is an Israeli company as an example.

I wonder now, what will happen with Apotex?

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 27, 2018, 04:51:16 PM
I have no intentions of painting wealthy people with the same brush, as there are families who do make a difference with their wealth.  Their names are very familiar to most households.
The Sherman's by all accounts did not flaunt their wealth, and gave generously to the Toronto community.

Some Monied people who run in the same crowds/ do not necessarily share the same values.  What one does to earn their living is not of paramount importance.

 Having riches is the main - must have - matters of poor character and business practises  can be set aside, or over looked.

It is who you marry, who your children marry, what you own, what you have, where you live, what you drive, where you vacation, and the club memberships that are  of primary importance.

Charitable causes are just tax breaks and great public relation avenues to enhance ones reputation, and perhaps call in favors when needed.


Just my opinion.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Deb R on January 27, 2018, 05:56:54 PM
Did Barry & Honey Sherman have a housekeeper(s)? Only mention I've heard of a housekeeper was one mentioned in a 2008 article. They must have some help in the home as they were both very busy professionals, surely a cleaning lady, cook, etc?

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 27, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
Did Barry & Honey Sherman have a housekeeper(s)? Only mention I've heard of a housekeeper was one mentioned in a 2008 article. They must have some help in the home as they were both very busy professionals, surely a cleaning lady, cook, etc?

One of the articles stated the real estate agent and a housekeeper found the Sherman's but that seems to be the only time hired house help was mentioned.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 27, 2018, 06:16:01 PM
Many irons in the fire with rival drug companies.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/legal/embattled-teva-sues-former-regulatory-exec-for-theft-trade-secrets

Excerpt:

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As if Israel?s Teva didn?t have enough troubles on its plate?what with patent losses, pay-for-delay lawsuits, an ongoing CEO search and more?it?s now tangled in a full-blown soap opera with a former U.S. employee.

In a lawsuit filed in a federal court in Pennsylvania, the drug giant is alleging that its ex-chief of regulatory affairs for its American generics business passed trade secrets to her boyfriend, who happened to be the CEO of generics industry rival Apotex.

But it's far more than two lovers engaging in pillow talk about generic pills, Teva claims. The lawsuit alleges that, over a period of about two years ending in 2016, Teva employee Barinder Sandhu copied company files onto flash drives and passed them to Apotex CEO Jeremy Desai. Sandhu was fired in October 2016, according to the suit, which also lists Desai and Apotex as defendants.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2018, 04:38:28 PM
http://torontosun.com/news/crime/warmington-barry-shermans-ex-biz-partner-knew-from-day-one-couple-was-murder


WARMINGTON: Barry Sherman's ex-biz partner knew 'from day one' couple was murdered
Joe Warmington
More from Joe Warmington
Published: January 27, 2018
Updated: January 27, 2018 10:14 PM EST
Filed Under:
Toronto SUN
News
Crime

WARMINGTON: Ex-biz partner knew 'from day one' couple was murdered
 
Toronto Police have interviewed 127 people in the Sherman double murder investigation.
Frank D?Angelo thinks he was Number 127.

?They called and I met with them Wednesday,? the entrepreneur and close friend of Dr. Barry Sherman. ?I talked with a homicide detective named Brandon Price. He was very smart. Very bright.?

In the six weeks since the slain bodies of Honey and Barry Sherman were located on Dec. 15, D?Angelo was ?hoping? for that call because from that first night when the grisly news was aired, he?s been adamant the billionaire couple were murdered.
That said, it was still a jolt to his system to hear Homicide Det.-Sgt. Sue Gomes make that announcement at police headquarters.
Frank D?Angelo. (TORONTO SUN FILES)
?I knew it was murder, but hearing her say that was like a kick in the, you know,? he said, adding, ?I told you that from day one.?
But now that it?s official, D?Angelo, who had Sherman as a business partner in his movie endeavours and beverage businesses ? including the now-defunct Steelback Brewery ? has theories on this bizarre case.

?I believe the pieces of s? who did this were already in the house and I believe they killed Honey in front of Barry,? he said. ?What a terrible ending for some truly great people.?

He also believes there were at least two people involved. With a belief there may have been marks on Honey Sherman?s face, or head and that Barry had so many personal and business enemies, there is no shortage of directions police can go.

Why would someone want to do this to these people?
Why by either choking or hanging?
?Police need to work on the motive,? said D?Angelo.

Homicide De.-Sgt. Susan Gomes makes the announcement that Barry and Honey Sherman was a double homicide on Friday January 26, 2018.

On a day where they are getting hammered in the media, D?Angelo has tremendous confidence in Toronto Police ? and was critical of media and public portraying this as a bungled case.
?The Toronto Police  know what they are doing,? said D?Angelo to why investigators let the public believe for 42 days as a suspicious death when sources called it a murder-suicide.

?I believe the cops did that on purpose to create chatter, you know, to get whoever did it to not know what they were thinking.?

But now it?s the killer?s turn to be nervous. D?Angelo thinks they will be caught and says he?s happy to do whatever he can do to help police do that.

If it will help catch the killers of ?these very good people,? he said, he?d be glad to meet with them again.
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Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2018, 04:41:26 PM
Continuation from above news article.

Could an earring found at the end of the driveway outside the Sherman mansion murder scene Saturday be a clue to help police catch the killers?

In a case with few leads, all clues are welcome.

Award-winning CP24 cameraman Matt Reid and top reporter Arda Zakarian were doing a live hit outside the Sherman mansion when they spotted something.

?It looked like pieces from a women?s earring,? said Reid, who is a 20-year camera guy with eyes of an eagle.

Toronto Police Det. Martin Woodhouse seizes two earrings at the end of the Sherman driveway on Jan. 27, 2018.

When he works with CP24?s Cam Woolley, a former OPP sergeant, Matt often finds unknown bullet holes in a parked car before anybody else.
This time it was ear wear.

?I am not sure if they are real but it looked like this earring had a cluster of diamonds,? he said.

With Toronto Police turning over this scene Friday after six weeks, he reached out to the private investigator Tommy Klatt?s team who now have the house. Former Toronto Police Det. Martin Woodhouse professionally collected the evidence and secured it for police in case it has any bearing on the bizarre homicide case.

Toronto Police Det. Martin Woodhouse seizes two earrings at the end of the Sherman driveway on Jan. 27, 2018.
?It was in the gutter down at the bottom of the driveway,? said crime specialist Ross McLean, who was also there.

?It could have been there for weeks or from all the action at the house the day before. It?s hard to tell.?

But one thing police can do is match them up with any jewelry Honey Sherman may have worn, owned or that could have been missing.

McLean did an online search and found some similarities in earrings the generous fundraiser, Honey, wore. It may be nothing.
But in a case where there?s been few answers ,it also could be something.
jwarmington@postmedia.com
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
Another nice guy in the expanded circle of friends./jb
He also was involved in the brewery, backed by Barry, that did not take off.

.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/judge-says-former-brewery-owner-probably-guilty-of-sexual-assault-but-acquits-him-1.830045
Frank D'Angelo was found not guilty Tuesday of sexually assaulting a longtime friend's daughter by a judge who nevertheless said the former brewery owner is "probably" guilty.
The now 22-year-old woman accused D'Angelo of grabbing her, stripping her and forcing her to have sex in a hotel room in June 2007.
D'Angelo, who turns 50 this week, maintained the sex was consensual.
On Tuesday, Justice John Hamilton said he found the evidence of both D'Angelo and his accuser credible. But in handing down his ruling, Hamilton added D'Angelo "may be" or is "probably" guilty of the crime.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 28, 2018, 07:53:08 PM
So two multiple diamond studded earrings. In a scuffle I could see one earring fall, but two? It's possible, but I doubt they would be found together if there was a fight for life going on. Likely removed from Honey after they subdued her and then they were dropped accidently.
I still think this was a for hire hit and possibly the earrings taken were an afterthought.   
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 28, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
Key Word is "Not" guilty...  I think we take verdicts as they are dealt out....

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Frank D'Angelo was found not guilty Tuesday of sexually assaulting a longtime friend's daughter by a judge who nevertheless said the former brewery owner is "probably" guilty.

That was yesteryear. Now we have the "Metoo" movement, and slowly people who have been mistreated and were afraid to say anything for fear of reprisal, are speaking out. Police, judges and the general public are at war with gropers and what have you, and the guilty verdicts are taking off. 
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jobo on January 29, 2018, 03:49:39 AM
Hopefully they will get DNA from the earrings..the family might not know if they are Honeys or not.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jobo on January 29, 2018, 09:44:40 AM
Seems to me, long gone, that this movement is going a touch too far.  Heads are rolling all over and where IS the trials?
When does a woman not take reaponsibility for her choices? 
I mean...If you drink and are partying and a guy wants to take you home....it?s not for a cup of tea.

Maybe we need to start a new thread..lol
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 29, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
Key Word is "Not" guilty...  I think we take verdicts as they are dealt out....

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Frank D'Angelo was found not guilty Tuesday of sexually assaulting a longtime friend's daughter by a judge who nevertheless said the former brewery owner is "probably" guilty.

That was yesteryear. Now we have the "Metoo" movement, and slowly people who have been mistreated and were afraid to say anything for fear of reprisal, are speaking out. Police, judges and the general public are at war with gropers and what have you, and the guilty verdicts are taking off. 




Metoo.      I am not saying the accusations are not warranted.But there is a disturbing trend emerging. Accusations.Career over.....I do not see many trials. Where are the guilty verdicts ?  Tried by media?  No court to face the accuser ? 

 Heck of a thing this metoo movement.. Just do away with defense...

The trials will come in time. I have a lot of reservations regarding this as well. My fears are that many innocent people will be hurt, many careers down the drain for nothing. Trudeau in an interview stated that women must be believed. Yikes. In Edmonton there were many cases years ago where divorcing females coerced their own kids into telling LE and child advocates that their fathers touched them inappropriately and some fathers lost all their rights and some fathers fought this and when the truth finally came out, it was found that the female partner fabricated and coerced.
 
In D'Angelo's case, I can see the judge saying that mainly because there was not enough evidence for a slam dunk. Even the jolliest and best musician can go astray.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 29, 2018, 12:17:00 PM
Seems to me, long gone, that this movement is going a touch too far.  Heads are rolling all over and where IS the trials?
When does a woman not take reaponsibility for her choices? 
I mean...If you drink and are partying and a guy wants to take you home....it?s not for a cup of tea.

Maybe we need to start a new thread..lol


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When does a woman not take reaponsibility for her choices?

ITA Jobo. I made that comment on a FB argument and got a lot of angry face emoticons. Lol. All of the allegations need to be gone over with a fine tooth comb and perhaps the complainants should have a poly test as well. Look at Brown/PC leader ... if he is innocent, his life is ruined and for some reason, I tend to believe him. Kent Hehr from Calgary/Liberal on the other hand, I can believe he may have tried to get touchy. He is quite the jerk in other ways as well.

I'll post a thread in members section in case anyone wants to continue along this line.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on January 29, 2018, 01:48:34 PM
Why not post in General.  Well, wherever you think is best.  Start a new thread Sap1. 

That would be great~
I agree with all of the concerns expressed.  It could be your son accused at the workplace, or your husband.  Just to end a career because he was not liked by someone.

Glad to see that others are getting over the rush of confessions, and are asking themselves questions as to truth ON BOTH SIDES.
jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on January 29, 2018, 02:32:24 PM
JB I had already put it in private members section and I don't think I can change it. Unless Debbie can; I have no problem with it. My reasoning was that possibly people will join just to argue and it would turn into a nightmare like the case of Amber Kirwin had become for awhile. People on FB are totally unleashed about subjects like this and I didn't want UC turning into a free for all war.
:)
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on February 01, 2018, 12:45:27 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sherman-deaths-toronto-police-update-1.4505259

A bit about Barry and Honey

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"The family continues to support the Toronto Police Service in their efforts to seek justice for their parents and pursue those responsible for these unspeakable crimes."

and -
'Barry loved life,' friend says
Murray Rubin, a long-time friend of Barry Sherman, said Friday he wasn't surprised police have now classified the deaths as a double homicide.

He told CBC Toronto that he never thought the deaths were a murder/suicide.
"I said impossible. I knew Barry over 50 years. Barry loved life ? he loved doing what he was doing. There is no way he would commit suicide or kill his wife," Rubin said.

The 87-year-old said his friend was adored by his thousands of employees as well as the wider community and he is baffled "that a guy who could be so loved by some many, who he treated so well, could be murdered."

"If you knocked at Barry's door, unless you looked like a gorilla, he'd let you in. I don't believe he worried about being murdered. It wasn't in his brain that somebody is gonna kill him," Rubin told CBC Toronto.

"The police have come to the conclusion that anybody that knows Barry for the last number of years came to ? that he was murdered, it was a paid killing. Why his wife was included, I don't know, she might have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. But there is no question it's a murder. The problem is, why? And who?"

Rubin said the last time he saw his friend was a week before the bodies were found and not a day goes by when he does not think about him.

"I would love that they find out who did it, not that it would help Barry. I miss Barry ? I miss him every day," Rubin said.

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on February 03, 2018, 08:16:47 PM
Apparently Kerry Winter was not asked the question of "did you kill Barry and Honey Sherman" during the poly test because 5th estate caught up with him at a later time and asked him if he would do another poly on the question of "did you kill Sherman's" and he and his lawyer both refused. Interesting. Mike Arndtfelt says he should be a suspect to rule out or in.

I had not seen any article regarding the times Honey and Barry left their meeting and arrived home, just that they arrived in different vehicles. Honey left the meeting at 6 pm and went home, and Barry left at 8:45. So there easily could have been one perp who attacked Honey first and waited for Barry.

Mike also states that USA had 22 similar MO murders of older people and all cases are solved.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: capeheart on February 04, 2018, 12:49:21 PM
Sap1, I did see that show and amazing Mr. White had so much hate for the Sherman's. I feel he was gyped out of his father's agreement with Sherman. A deal that was hidden from the White's for many years. There was an agreement that a percentage would go to the family of any profits that were made. That agreement should have held up. The fact that he changed the name of the company had nothing to do with it, I feel the Judge was wrong on his decision not to grant the White's their percentage of the profits. That is my opinion on what went on here. And there is a great deal of focus now on Mr. White considering his lie detector test. It was only a certain amount of questions that were to be asked and anything related to the murder was not inclueded, only specific questions. I don't think he could do the killing by himself, I don't think he's that articulate. I believe he could have been involved and had help. I believe two people would have to commit this double homicide, it just seems an unusual way of taking their lives. The killer or killers, certainly did not want any trace of any weapons and just wanted to use items available in the home or on the person. I do believe there was great thought in committing this crime. In other words, they did not want any trace of any weapons of any kind.  They or he almost got away with the set up they had of wanting it to look like a murder-suicide crime.  I believe they will find out who killed this couple. Thoughts and prayers to the family and those who are working to solve this crime. I do hope that it does not become a cold case. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on February 05, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
This couple had complicated lives, imo.

http://www.news1130.com/2018/02/03/judge-greenlights-lawsuit-alleging-barry-shermans-company-stole-rivals-trade-secrets/

Judge greenlights lawsuit alleging Barry Sherman's company stole rival's trade secrets

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TORONTO, ON. (NEWS 1130) ? A US judge has refused to throw out a sensational lawsuit that accuses Barry Sherman?s drug company of using sex, lies and USB flash drives to illegally acquire valuable trade secrets from a rival pharmaceutical firm.

The ruling, released Tuesday, is the latest chapter in a bizarre legal saga that was thrust back into the spotlight last week amid news that Jeremy Desai ? Sherman?s pick as president and CEO of Apotex Inc., and the man at the centre of the lawsuit ? had suddenly resigned ?to pursue other opportunities.?

 By chance, the company announced Desai?s abrupt departure just hours before Toronto police convened a press conference last Friday to reveal that Barry and Honey Sherman were indeed murdered, the victims of a ?targeted? double homicide inside their north-end mansion.


Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on March 20, 2018, 11:40:46 AM
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/apotex-claims-longtime-chemist-went-rogue-and-stole-drug-secrets/

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Barry Sherman’s company says fired employee stole valuable drug secrets
A lawsuit filed by Apotex months before the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman alleges the worker planned to start his own drug-making company
by Michael Friscolanti and Anne Kingston
Mar 6, 2018

Apotex Inc., the generic-drug giant founded by murdered billionaire Barry Sherman, has been waging a year-long court battle against an ex-employee who was fired for allegedly stealing millions of dollars’ worth of pharmaceutical trade secrets from a laboratory computer—in the hopes of launching a rival company in his native Pakistan.
Court documents obtained by Maclean’s reveal the existence of a high-stakes internal investigation launched by Canada’s largest drug-maker in January 2017—and the urgent lawsuit that followed, aimed at recouping what the company describes as “highly sensitive” intellectual property of “enormous” value. Apotex is so determined to retrieve any missing data that, at one point during the ongoing litigation, company lawyers demanded that the former staffer be imprisoned for 45 days for contempt of court because he “willfully and deliberately” ignored a judge’s order to hand over USB drives, email passwords and other electronic devices believed to contain confidential information.
Mulazim Hussain, a veteran chemist who worked at Apotex’s research-and-development laboratory for more than a decade, was fired last year after the company discovered he had registered a private corporation and taken steps to construct his own generic-drug plant in Faisalabad, Pakistan. In hundreds of pages of court documents filed in Toronto, Apotex claims that a search through Hussain’s company email account turned up equipment invoices, factory floor designs, and a partially completed business plan that listed 21 generic medications—each one produced by Apotex. Forensic investigators hired by Sherman’s company also uncovered evidence that Hussain had plugged at least six USB drives into lab computers, a clear violation of Apotex policy; one of his drives allegedly contained “highly confidential” information about Mefenamic acid capsules, a popular painkiller.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jobo on March 22, 2018, 02:24:27 AM
Disturbing, but not surprising, that an employee would turncoat like that.
It truly bothers me to read/hear about so many people that really don’t have any loyalty to the company they work for.

Instead of going behind Sherman’s back...why wouldn’t Hussain approach him and possibly work out a deal to open this generic drug plant in Pakistan? Not understanding how some brilliant people are so stupid....as if he wouldn’t get caught. He even invoiced equipment for Pakistan plant, to Apotex?  Wow.
I suppose the investigators are just tearing through Hussain’s life right now....even more so than they were.
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on March 27, 2018, 05:33:19 PM
https://www.thestar.com/

Canada
‘Covert’ tactics, more search warrants may be coming in Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe: Police
Toronto Police probing the Barry and Honey Sherman case are planning more search warrants and may use “covert” means to track down the killer or killers.

Honey and Barry Sherman: The Shermans strangled bodies were discovered by a real estate agent at their Toronto home on Fri., Dec. 15, 2017. For at least a month, Toronto police pursued the case as if it was most likely a murder-suicide, with Honey, 70, listed on warrant documents as the only victim.  (Tom Sandler)

By Kevin DonovanChief Investigative Reporter
Tues., March 27, 2018


Toronto Police are planning more search warrants in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe and may use “surreptitious or covert” techniques to find the killer or killers, according to police documents.

Locked up under seal in a North York court are hundreds of pages filed by police in the last three months in support of 15 warrants or production orders already used to obtain medical, banking and other records related to the Sherman probe.

Toronto Police say these documents “contain a fairly comprehensive (although by no means exhaustive) summary of the investigation, including summaries of many witness interviews, summaries of the forensic examination of the crime scene and post-mortem examinations … and images from surveillance footage and scene photos.” Police made these comments in a court affidavit opposing the Toronto

Star’s attempt to gain access to some or all of these files.
Read more:
Barry Sherman was helping to develop ‘pot pill’ for medical marijuana users
Sherman investigation initially focused only on Barry’s wife Honey as a murder victim

Justice Leslie Pringle of the Ontario Court of Justice, who authorized the initial searches, recently released portions of search warrant materials to the Star, but ruled that most of the pages will remain sealed “at this stage of the case.” She told the Star it could reapply if something changes, such as an arrest being made or if the investigation “concludes.”

The Shermans strangled bodies were discovered by a real estate agent at their Toronto home on Fri., Dec. 15, 2017. Initially, and for at least a month, Toronto police pursued the case as if it was most likely a murder-suicide, with Honey, 70, listed on warrant documents as the only victim.

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: capeheart on April 21, 2018, 09:40:19 AM
To think that if it wasn't for the children, someone may have gotten away with murder. What a flawed initial investigation by the police, unreal and scary for the family.  I wonder how many unsolved cases there are in Ontario. I know the police are overwhelmed with violent crimes in a big city. A horrible crime such as this surely would not look like murder suicide, how much education in homicide would the detectives have, they'd better go back and take a few updated courses in that field. :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on April 21, 2018, 09:12:36 PM
Was it  the cousin who got the cops thinking that way?
By the cousin's behaviour and what he claims, he is looking for trouble  from the police. imo.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on October 26, 2018, 07:52:33 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shermans-murder-investigator-toronto-1.4878887

Family of Barry and Honey Sherman offers reward of up to $10M for information about killings

Toronto police 'fell well below' the professional standard they are required to meet, family's lawyer says
John Lancaster, Andrea Janus · CBC News · Posted: Oct 26, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Sherman family lawyer Brian Greenspan announces Friday that a reward of up to $10 million has been established for information into the deaths of Honey and Barry Sherman. (Tina Mackenzie/CBC)
The family of Honey and Barry Sherman is offering a reward of up to $10 million for information that leads to the arrest and prosecution of suspects in the deaths of the billionaire couple, whose bodies were found in their mansion last December.

The family's lawyer, Brian Greenspan, announced the reward at a news conference in Toronto Friday afternoon.

"We're trying to light the fire. That's part of the reason we've gathered today," Greenspan told reporters.

"To provide the new incentive for members of the public to come forward with information which they might have … but also to light the fire under the Toronto Police Service and to try to ensure that those investigative steps that have either not yet been completed, or not yet been taken, are completed, and to encourage a two-way street."

A tip line has also been set up that will be monitored 24 hours, seven days a week. The number is 1-833-668-0001.

Barry Sherman, 75, was the founder of generic drug manufacturer Apotex. His wife Honey, 70, was a well-known philanthropist. Together, the couple donated tens of millions of dollars to charities. 

Their bodies were found in the basement pool area of their home on Dec. 15, 2017. No arrests have been made and police have not provided an update on the investigation since January.

Police officially characterized the deaths as "suspicious," but initially said there was no sign of forced entry and they weren't looking for suspects. However, anonymous police sources were quoted early on as saying investigators were looking at the deaths as a case of murder-suicide. This "outraged" the family, Greenspan said Friday, and he was retained to organize a parallel investigation by a team of private investigators, largely made up of former Toronto police homicide detectives.

Greenspan said the private investigation is not meant to undermine the work of police, but rather to advance "the common goal of finding and prosecuting the perpetrators."

He would not divulge any specific details unearthed by the private investigation during the news conference, but Greenspan did have strong words for Toronto police, saying they are "required by law to maintain a certain professional standard," but "fell well below that standard."

Specifically, Greenspan said police failed to take into account the fact that the couple's bodies were "staged" where they were found, by their indoor pool, and that police failed to vacuum the crime scene for evidence, such as hairs or fibres left behind by a perpetrator. He also said police failed to properly gather fingerprint evidence that might identify potential suspects.

Greenspan offered some details about how the Shermans were found, noting that ligatures were wrapped around their necks and then around the pool railing, which forced them into an upright position. Barry's legs were outstretched, with one crossed over another. He was also still wearing his glasses, and the sleeves of his jacket were pulled behind him, which would have restricted the use of his arms.

Greenspan also accused Toronto police of failing to thoroughly check the entry points into the home.

"If this best practice had been followed, they would have located the point of entry into the home, which would have seriously undermined their misleading and irresponsible conclusion that there had been no forced entry," he said.


The Sherman family decided to hire private investigators to independently probe the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. (United Jewish Appeal/Canadian Press)
Toronto police Chief Mark Saunders, responding to Greenspan at a late-afternoon news conference, defended his investigators, saying the probe was being conducted "to a very high level of professionalism and a high level of expertise."

While he did not address many of Greenspan's specific allegations, Saunders said a lot of work was done from the beginning to protect the integrity of the investigation. While divisional officers first took on the probe, homicide investigators were brought in to oversee the work, as was a forensic pathologist.

He also noted that more than 50 officers have worked on the case, more than 200 witnesses have been interviewed and officers have collected more than 2,000 hours of video surveillance from neighbours.

"The investigation was not taken lightly and still is not taken lightly," he said.

While rewards don't always help lead to breakthroughs in cases, he said, he welcomed the development, saying at the very least it will bring the investigation "back into the light."

Asked whether Toronto police would participate in a separate expert panel Greenspan is convening to assess the information that comes through the tip line, Saunders said he would want to know more about its terms of reference and whether that would stand up to the scrutiny of a court proceeding.

"If it meets that test, then definitely we will be involved," he said.

'This is a joke,' realtor thought
The news conference came on the same day CBC published details of an interview with a Toronto real estate agent revealing new information about finding the couple's bodies.

The agent was touring the Sherman mansion with wealthy Chinese clients when they came across what appeared to be two bodies in the basement pool area of the home.

The agent said he and his clients were surprised at what they saw, and couldn't believe the bodies were actually real.

"This is a joke, something left over from Halloween," recalled the agent.

The agent, who was working for the prospective buyers and not the Shermans, has requested CBC News not identify him due to concerns for his safety.

FIFTH ESTATEBarry Sherman's cousin fails lie detector test over allegation of plot to kill Honey Sherman
He said he learned a couple of days after touring the Sherman home that the bodies in the pool area were real.

"It was scary," he recalled.

His clients were upset, too, after finding out what they'd really seen.

"They were angry," he recalled. The agent described them as being from mainland China and superstitious. They worried witnessing such a sight was a harbinger of bad things to come.

Mansion was listed at $6.7M
On that cool winter day last December, the agent recalled arriving at the Sherman home on Old Colony Road — an affluent neighbourhood in north Toronto — with his clients, before their scheduled viewing appointment.

The mansion was listed at $6.7 million.

The agent said a person cleaning the home let them in and allowed them to wait inside. A short time later, an agent representing the Shermans arrived.


They began touring the 12,000-square-foot mansion.

After starting on the main floor, they walked upstairs to see more of the massive home. The last part of the tour involved the basement pool area.

"My clients weren't really interested in the pool," recalled the agent.

Looking through a large glass door they could see two bodies "on the steps leading to the pool" several metres away.

"What's with these rich people ... who does this?" he recalled thinking. The agent and his clients did not enter the pool area to take a closer look.

Private investigators costly, and unlikely to turn up anything more than police find
The agent says they thought they had stumbled across some kind of bizarre Halloween display or a joke.

"Fake murders," is how he initially described it.

Not long after they left the home, it's believed the agent representing the Shermans called 911 to report the find.


Why did police wait to talk to witnesses?
The real estate agent confirmed that it was "at least a week or two" after police first started investigating the homicides before they reached out to him and his clients.

The agent says he was interviewed at a local police division and agreed to provide investigators with the shoes he was wearing when he was inside the Sherman home. 

CBC News asked Toronto police why investigators seemingly waited for up to two weeks before interviewing witnesses who were inside the mansion around the time the bodies were discovered.

CBC INVESTIGATES Barry Sherman allegedly duped by convicted fraudster
Barry and Honey Sherman deaths a targeted double homicide, police say
Toronto police spokesperson Meaghan Gray said the service cannot discuss details, because the investigation is ongoing.

The agent said police contacted him again recently to come in for fingerprinting, but hasn't been told when or where that will happen.

He declined to provide the names of the clients who were inside the home with him, but said police know who they are. He said they have since purchased another home in Toronto through a different agent.

John Lancaster can be reached at 416-205-7538 or at john.lancaster@cbc.ca
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on October 31, 2018, 06:37:46 PM
Thank you sap1 for posting this very informative article.   So, a housecleaner allowed the real estate agent and prospective buyer in.  How did she get in?  Obviously she did not go down to the pool area.
So the bodies must have been there for some time.

I think the ten million dollars may not bring a clue...…. as the end result of their deaths could mean billions of dollars over a period of time,  and ten million is penny anty.

I believe their murders were done by a group of hired people from another country.

Always felt that way....

Many ex secret agents retire and place themselves up for hire and they are very professional at what they do.

Slip in and slip out and leave a message with the placement of the bodies, giving a clear warning to anyone in the know,  that  this will happen to anyone involved in the Sherman's company, or have any further designs!!

In my opinion,   TO police are up against that, and it will take the RCMP on the international crime scene to solve this.   

This is just my opinion of course.   No proof on my part.





jb

Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on October 31, 2018, 09:23:02 PM
I'm all out of guesses but the "up to 10 million dollars reward" makes me think that private hired detectives nor police have a clue of what happened and no credible leads/or they think they may know but don't have the proof. If the 10 million doesn't lure any viable leads then they have nothing. Unfortunately. For the family I do wish resolution.
Like you said JB, the culprits probably got more than that with this horrid planned execution.

So thankful for the simple life ... not needing to be known to be so wealthy and not needing to have everyone know I give largely to less fortunate.
I do give to charities and especially to abused animal cases, not in the thousands or millions, but what I can. With many doing small donations it adds up and keeps the special Vets paid.

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So, a housecleaner allowed the real estate agent and prospective buyer in.  How did she get in?  Obviously she did not go down to the pool area.

I will have to reread from earlier but I thought we already knew there was a housekeeper there that day. Everything sounds odd though.

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In my opinion,   TO police are up against that, and it will take the RCMP on the international crime scene to solve this.   

This is just my opinion of course.   No proof on my part.

We already knew that Americans were involved in stealing of secrets/or Barry was in receipt of trade secrets, something to that effect, so Police and PI would have checked travel logs/names etc. In some places people can just walk across the border without checking in, so if it was someone from out of Canada, they would require someone inside as well.

ETA:
So from page 1. Barry had not shown up for work on Thursday (very unusual as he was there early every day). No one heard from Honey on Thursday. The bodies were found Friday. It was the Real Estate agent who went to check because he could not get a hold of them. No mention of a house keeper/cleaning lady. Perhaps she was just there on Friday and cleaning the upstairs because it has been mentioned that Sherman's didn't use the pool area a lot. She didn't see the bodies until the Agent went looking and found them.??
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on November 01, 2018, 10:42:51 PM
According to CTV on FB, TO police have given out 9 new warrants for investigation and one was to outside Canada but they would not say where outside. It was said these "9 new warrants/investigations and then police will be wrapping up." 

Video which explains timeline better than bits and pieces from articles online. Why housekeeper did not spot the bodies, and more from forensic experts.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1390517
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on November 03, 2018, 07:03:32 PM
Thanks Sap for the articles.  Glad that someone on the board is keeping abreast of things.

I do not think they were American.  Think middle east or a direct connection to it.  Just my wacky opinion.

jb
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: jellybean on November 03, 2018, 07:48:32 PM
Barry was really onto something, one year before he died.  He was a disrupter of BIG PHARMA, costing them billions of dollars.


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/03/25/barry-sherman-was-helping-to-develop-pot-pill-for-medical-marijuana-users.html

The project to develop a slow-release medical marijuana pill was on. Just a year before his murder, Sherman gave the green light on what scientists at his generic drug firm, Apotex, and marijuana firm CannTrust call the “pharmaceuticalization of marijuana.” People suffering from chronic pain, depression, anxiety, seizures, post-traumatic stress disorder and other afflictions might one day benefit, say investors in the project.

“I think Barry decided Apotex better get in on the ground level,” said Aubrey Dan, a businessman who is involved in the project, but was once a Sherman rival in the generic drug world. “Barry was a true entrepreneur. He has always been a risk taker.”

Health Canada approval is estimated to be two years away, but if it comes, the pills would be a disrupter in the Big Pharma brand-name drug world, and for Sherman’s own generic firm, providing an alternative to highly addictive opioids and other pharmaceuticals. People who worked with the late Sherman say the so-called “pot pill” will be one of his greatest legacies.
“Barry went away and did his homework,” recalled Eric Paul, CEO of CannTrust. “Then everybody got on board.”
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on November 04, 2018, 10:16:12 PM
Big love triangle.

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/june-12/racketeering-fda-monsanto-pharma.htm

Racketeering Love Triangle:
Monsanto, FDA, Big Pharma
Title: Re: Barry (Apotex founder) and Honey Sherman found dead in their Toronto home
Post by: Sap1 on November 17, 2018, 07:04:20 PM
I'm not saying this is related to Honey and Barry Sherman ... but similar in that this man was working on getting drugs cheaper for Americans.

 https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/1/daniel-best-top-adviser-drug-pricing-plan-dies/