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Title: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: supernatural on July 01, 2014, 07:55:54 AM
This boy and family have gone missing from Parkhill area in Calgary.  Anyone have any updates on this?

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/amber-alert-declared-for-boy-5-and-grandparents-in-calgary-1

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/amber-alert-declared-for-boy-5-and-grandparents-in-calgary-1 (http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/amber-alert-declared-for-boy-5-and-grandparents-in-calgary-1)

An Amber Alert has been declared in Calgary for a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents.

- What is an Amber Alert?

Five-year-old Nathan O'Brien has blond curly hair and blue eyes and was wearing peach-coloured shorts and a striped blue hoodie.

Alvin Liknes, 66, has grey-blond hair and was last seen wearing black sports shorts. He walks with a slight limp. Kathryn Liknes, 53, has red-brown hair and green eyes and was last seen wearing pyjamas. Both are considered missing. 

The child's mother went to the grandparents' home in the southwest Calgary community of Parkhill at 10 a.m. MT, but no one was there.

“Evidence found at the residence suggests the disappearance of all three family members may be suspicious," said Calgary Police Service spokesman Kevin Brookwell. 

Nathan's mother dropped him off at his grandparent's house for a sleepover Sunday night at 10 p.m. MT.

"When we went to the address and after speaking with family the home wasn't in the condition it would typically be left in, and there's some indication the occupants did not leave under their own volition," said Brookwell.

"All the vehicles are accounted for, no information to go on at this time, that's why we're reaching out to the public if they saw anything suspicious."

Anyone with information can call the Calgary Police Service at 403-266-1234 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

The homicide unit is looking into the case, but Brookwell says that's not unusual. 

"[It's] because of the circumstances and nobody has heard from them, no information despite everyone's best efforts," he said.

"We'll remain optimistic we'll find them, could be others involved, I don't want to speculate."

Police searched the area and said all family members they have spoken to are co-operating. 


Hope all is well
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 01, 2014, 10:38:58 AM
This is a very troubling missing report on Nathan and his grandparents. They are now missing since yesterday morning at 10:00 a.m. But how long before that. What is so troubling is that all of their vehicles are at home. This does not look like an isolated area, seems to be homes around there. After reading the report, I believe  they were abducted and somebody took them by surprise. What about the father of Nathan??? Was there any custody battle going on for Nathan? There is only mention of his mom dropping him off at the grandparents. The fact there has been no contact is very troubling. Did they have cell phones??? Most people who are involved with children do have cells. And were there any video surveillance cameras in the area that could pick up any information.  My hope is that all are found safe. But the wave of crimes that have been happening on the west coast lately, don't usually end up very good. My prayers to the mom and family that everyone is okay. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Have faith on July 01, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
I agree cape, this case sounds ominous.  Per the link below, LE state that there are no custody issues with this family.  It does seem strange that they would vanish just before moving away to Mexico.  I also don't like the sound of signs in the house show that they did not leave on their own volition.  This is all very concerning.



herald.com/news/calgary/Police+hunt+missing+Calgary+couple+their+grandson/9989542/story.html (http://herald.com/news/calgary/Police+hunt+missing+Calgary+couple+their+grandson/9989542/story.html)

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-police-missing-boy-grandparents-did-not-leave-on-their-own-volition-1.1894229 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-police-missing-boy-grandparents-did-not-leave-on-their-own-volition-1.1894229)

canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-grandparents-still-missing-as-amber-alert-remains-active-1.2693188 (http://canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-grandparents-still-missing-as-amber-alert-remains-active-1.2693188)

modified to include other links
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
Links are being broken rather quickly.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-police-missing-boy-grandparents-did-not-leave-on-their-own-volition-1.1894229

Calgary police: Missing boy, grandparents 'did not leave on their own volition'

CTVNews.ca Staff
 Published Tuesday, July 1, 2014 10:01AM EDT 
 Last Updated Tuesday, July 1, 2014 4:14PM EDT 


Calgary police fear for the safety of a five-year-old boy and his grandparents, who disappeared under “suspicious” circumstances and remain the subject of an Amber Alert.

Nathan O’Brien was staying with his maternal grandparents, Kathryn and Alvin Liknes, at their southwest Calgary home overnight Sunday. When his mother went to the house to collect her son on Monday morning, she found no one inside.

Duty Insp. Keith Cain said that while investigators are “optimistic” the three are still alive, investigators do fear for their safety.




Photos



Amber Alert for boy, grandparents   
From left to right, Kathryn Faye Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, and Alvin Cecil Liknes, 66, are shown in this combination of photos provided by Calgary police.

“Given that this is completely out of nature for the grandparents, we look at it and say, ‘do we have reason to fear that foul play is involved here?’” Cain said. “And the answer to that question is obviously yes.”

Cain would not elaborate on any evidence found at the grandparents’ home. All he would say is that the evidence suggests the disappearances “may be suspicious.”

Earlier, Calgary Police spokesperson Kevin Brookwell said that when police entered the residence, they found that “the home was not in the condition that typically it would have been left in" and there were signs that the homeowners "did not leave on their own volition."

There are no custody issues with the family, Brookwell added. He said police do not have a history with the family. The family’s vehicles, including that of the grandparents, are accounted for.

The grandparents are not considered suspects, Cain said.

Investigators from several Calgary Police units are involved in the search, and many returned to the home Tuesday to continue looking for evidence. They have canvassed the neighbourhood, conducted a grid search and interviewed family members and associates, Cain said.

The family held an estate sale at the home over the weekend, he said. While police have yet to determine if it is connected to the disappearance, they want to hear from anyone who may have attended.

“Hopefully somebody remembers something from the weekend, or from Monday. Maybe they heard something,” Cain said. “We have a big mystery on hour hands right now. We don’t know where these people are.”

Neighbours say Alvin and Kathy Liknes had been planning to move away from Calgary.

"They seemed very relaxed and happy," neighbour Matt Dawe told CTV Calgary. "They were socializing with friends and family earlier on Saturday evening. Everybody sounded very relaxed and happy."

Police initially opted not to issue an Amber Alert because they did not have a description of a suspected abductor or a vehicle, Brookwell said. But they went ahead with the alert later, despite the missing criteria.

It is still unclear how the missing grandparents and their grandson left the home.

Investigators are looking for:
• Nathan O’Brien, 5, who is described as Caucasian, approximately 3-feet tall with blond, curly hair and blue eyes. He was last seen wearing peach-coloured shorts and a striped blue hoodie.
• Alvin Cecil Liknes, 66, who is described as Caucasian, 6-feet-tall, 200 pounds, with a slim build and grey/blond hair.
• Kathryn Faye Liknes, 53, who is described as Caucasian, 5-foot-3, 120 pounds with red/brown hair and green eyes.

Police are asking anyone with information about this case to call 403-266-1234 or Crime Stoppers anonymously by calling 1-800-222-8477, visiting calgarycrimestoppers.org, or texting tttTIPS to 274637.

With a report from CTV Calgary's Bill Macfarlane
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2014, 02:37:46 PM
Tim Bosma advertised his vehicle.  Perhaps the advertising of an estate sale by the grandparents, brought thieves to their home, in the wee hours.  If all monies from the sale had been deposited in the bank, then the thieves may have taken them hostage to access their bank accounts - and who knows from thereon?  Obviously the thieves had their own vehicle, as the vehicles of the grandparents have been accounted for.

Just a guess.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 01, 2014, 03:21:19 PM
I would agree JB. Mr. Liknes has made considerable inventions which cut costs in the oilfields and also others to do with well water pumping efficiency. If the estate sale was advertised, the thieves likely did some homework and knew he was valuable to them in terms of money.
I'd like to think they are alive but the state of the house doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 01, 2014, 06:32:33 PM
I wasn't aware they  :o  :omoving to Mexico. On the link I read earlier today, it did not state that. It is very suspect that all of their vehicles were there. Their daughter did not know of anything they were doing to prevent contacting her. It surely is scary. What was the reason for moving to Mexico, anybody have any idea on that? Mexico these days is not a very safe place to live. But the fact that they disappeared before even going to Mexico, very unusual. There was another whole family disappeared in the US, a couple of years ago. A real mystery, everything was left in the home and I don't know if they were ever found or not. Cannot remember the names of the people. :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
quote Capeheart: My hope is that all are found safe. But the wave of crimes that have been happening on the west coast lately, don't usually end up very good. unquote:

Just to gently let you know, Calgary is not on the West Coast.  The West Coast refers to BC - the Pacific Ocean.
It is the only province that sits on a coast - the Pacific Coast - west from the waters of the East coast.

Calgary is in  Alberta, which is the Prairies.

I too have difficulty in discerning the Geo of our country, what province sits on what - I have to look it up!
So sad, especially on Canada Day.

I know that being down east - everything is out west or west coast.  I say down east myself, when referring to a place, east of where I live.

JB :)

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 01, 2014, 07:07:53 PM
Advertised on Kijiji. Moving to Mexico.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Amber+Alert+Neighbour+says+missing+grandparents+were+selling+everything+moving+Mexico/9989542/story.html
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2014, 07:13:20 PM
Thank you SAP!!

quote from article provided by SAP,

"Neighbour Lindsay Bumanis stopped by the sale several times on Friday afternoon, as pink estate sale signs throughout Parkhill and an online Kijiji ad instructed.

Just about everything in the residence was for sale, she said.

"I chatted with the owners....the wife was really chatty and friendly and she said she was selling everything and they were moving to Mexico."

Bumanis said the homeowner said it felt great to downsize. "Every room was set up to sell. They had tables of stuff everywhere.... Couches were for sale, tables, just everything," she said.

Sherry Card stopped by the sale on Saturday and said the Liknes told attendees they were moving and would be staying with somebody else for a short period of time.

From the number of people perusing items in the home, to the actual items for sale, everything seemed normal, Card said.

"It seemed like a typical garage sale. I go to them all the time," she said.


JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
Here is a point, at least a thought.  If - the perps wanted the bank card number, they would have tied up his wife and grandchild, and taken him to the bank.

Why bring all three?  Because these punks perhaps live in the area, and something happened during the entry to their home, that they would have been known to this couple and perhaps even the little boy?

I am sure the cops are checking out this couples bank cards, and appropriate camera's.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: ConcernedCitizen on July 01, 2014, 08:29:45 PM
Update:   from MSN by cbcnews.ca about 12 hours ago: The update says that the little boy
Nathan has "BROWN eyes" not Blue.

Just some of my thoughts/questions on this horrible news.

1.   Is it possible if the people involved are sophisticated *&%(** they could have driven to the
      Estate Sale to pick up the couple, then had a small plane waiting somewhere to complete the trip
      to their destination?

2.   Are there any other family members, maybe someone who felt they deserved some of the Estate
      Money & felt like they weren't going to get their share? Have the Police checked all these other
      members (if any) including their vehicles to see if they are where they are supposed to be?
 
3.  In the last ? post, just above mine, a neighbour said "they were going to stay with some other people
     for a while..... Did these plans which could have been further down the road by days/weeks/months or more
     get interrupted so abruptly?

I do hope they are found safe & sound. My heart goes out to them & the other family members.

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Have faith on July 01, 2014, 08:32:50 PM
The Calgary Herald posted a timeline.  I will copy it as links are broken quickly.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Amber+Alert+Timeline+events/9991492/story.html?__federated=1 (http://www.calgaryherald.com/Amber+Alert+Timeline+events/9991492/story.html?__federated=1)

December 5, 2013: Alvin Liknes sells his Parkhill home to a Calgary lawyer. He continues to live in the home with his wife, Kathryn.

June 11-24: The Liknes family posts various ads on Kijiji during this time, advertising various household items and furniture for sale. The ads mention that the couple is moving and can’t take these items with them. They also advertise an estate sale to be held at the end of the month.

June 27-29: Alvin and Kathryn Liknes hold an estate sale at their house. Signs on the front door say, “come on in!” Dozens of people cycle in and out of the home over weekend. Neighbours who chatted with the couple say they were talking about ‘downsizing’ and moving to Mexico. Cherri Hodgins, a friend of Kathryn Liknes, said the couple bought a condo there and had been planning to move for several months.

Midday, June 29: Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien goes to visit his grandparents with his mother, Jennifer. In the afternoon, neighbour Peter Walton’s grandkids play with Nathan O’Brien in the park behind the Liknes home, while Alvin Liknes looks on from the garage.

10 p.m., June 29: After staying at the house for an unknown amount of time, Jennifer O’Brien leaves her parents’ house, and Nathan stays with his grandparents. It’s the last time anyone sees Nathan or his grandparents.

10 a.m., June 30: Jennifer O’Brien returns to her parents’ house to pick up Nathan. There is no one at the house. She calls police.

Late morning, June 30: Cliff Liknes goes to visit his brother, Alvin, after he didn’t pick up the phone. He quickly realizes something is wrong when he arrives and sees police combing Alvin’s home.

4 p.m., June 30: Police announce they are investigating what they say is the suspicious disappearance of Nathan and his grandparents.

5:30 p.m., June 30: An Amber Alert is issued for the missing trio. The alert prompts numerous calls to police, but no significant leads turn up.

1 p.m. July 1: Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents are still missing. The Amber Alert continues for a second day. Police don’t know where the three missing people are and say they have a ‘big mystery’ on their hands.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Have faith on July 01, 2014, 09:00:07 PM
It gets worse.  I pray this case doesn't turn out like the McStays in California, where the parents and 2 young sons vanished from their home and were found buried in the desert. 


Drag marks spotted at scene where Calgary grandparents and young boy went missing

By Dave Dormer   ,Calgary Sun


Drag marks can be seen near evidence tags on the walkway of a home where three people were reported missing Monday.

Running about eight metres from a side door to the driveway, the marks look like dark liquid and appear to have been recently cleaned up.

Police would not comment on the drag marks, saying only that evidence found at the scene suggests the disappearances are suspicious and the couple and young boy may not have left on their volition.

“We have a big mystery on our hands right now, we don’t know where these people are,” said Insp. Keith Cain.

“We’re still very optimistic they are alive.”



http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/01/drag-marks-spotted-at-scene-where-calgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing (http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/01/drag-marks-spotted-at-scene-where-calgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing)

modified to add LE comments
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 01, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/01/calgary-father-asks-for-help-in-search-for-missing-five-year-old-son
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 02, 2014, 09:53:04 AM
CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:42AM EDT

The family of a Calgary boy who disappeared along with his grandparents hope the offer of a substantial reward will lead to their safe return.

Rod O’Brien, the father of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien, told CTV News Tuesday night that the family will offer an award in excess of $100,000.

Nathan was staying with his maternal grandparents, Kathryn and Alvin Liknes, at their southwest Calgary home overnight Sunday. When his mother went to the house on Monday morning, they were all gone.

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Calgary police: Missing boy, grandparents 'did not leave on their own volition' Disappearance of Calgary boy, 5, grandparents being treated as 'suspicious' Photos
 From left to right, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Kathryn Faye Liknes, 53, and Alvin Cecil Liknes, 66.
Calgary police said evidence found at the grandparents’ home suggests their disappearance “may be suspicious.” Investigators did not elaborate on what was found at the home, but said there were no custody issues with the family.

A police spokesperson said Tuesday that there were signs the grandparents and the boy “did not leave on their own volition.”

The grandparents were in the process of moving out of their home and held an estate sale over the weekend. Police now want to speak to anyone who was at the sale.

An Amber Alert remains in effect as the search for Nathan and his grandparents continue.

Investigators are looking for:

•Nathan O’Brien, 5, who is described as Caucasian, approximately 3-feet tall with blond, curly hair and brown eyes. He was last seen wearing peach-coloured shorts and a striped blue hoodie.
•Alvin Cecil Liknes, 66, who is described as Caucasian, 6-feet-tall, 200 pounds, with a slim build and grey/blond hair. Police say he has a distinctive walk.
•Kathryn Faye Liknes, 53, who is described as Caucasian, 5-foot-3, 120 pounds with red/brown hair and green eyes.
Anyone with information about this case is urged to call 403-266-1234 or Crime Stoppers anonymously by calling 1-800-222-8477, visiting calgarycrimestoppers.org, or texting tttTIPS to 274637.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/amber-alert-family-of-missing-boy-grandparents-to-announce-reward-1.1895317 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/amber-alert-family-of-missing-boy-grandparents-to-announce-reward-1.1895317)

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 02, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
It gets worse.  I pray this case doesn't turn out like the McStays in California, where the parents and 2 young sons vanished from their home and were found buried in the desert. 


Drag marks spotted at scene where Calgary grandparents and young boy went missing

By Dave Dormer   ,Calgary Sun


Drag marks can be seen near evidence tags on the walkway of a home where three people were reported missing Monday.

Running about eight metres from a side door to the driveway, the marks look like dark liquid and appear to have been recently cleaned up.

Police would not comment on the drag marks, saying only that evidence found at the scene suggests the disappearances are suspicious and the couple and young boy may not have left on their volition.

“We have a big mystery on our hands right now, we don’t know where these people are,” said Insp. Keith Cain.

“We’re still very optimistic they are alive.”



http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/01/drag-marks-spotted-at-scene-where-calgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing (http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/01/drag-marks-spotted-at-scene-where-calgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing)

modified to add LE comments

Drag marks of dark liquid do not bode well.

That kijiji site is open to any thief.  This couple had a good experience with it in the past - and boom - it just takes one advert
They said too much about themselves.  They were too open about their plans to the buying public.
Tim Bosma all over again?  God I hope not!!

To the abductors
If you have them = let them go, drop them off on some highway - give them half a chance and bugger off.  You probably have enough money. Don't harm them.  Keep your hands clean of murder charges.  Let them go!!

JB

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 02, 2014, 07:24:30 PM
Shocking news that there were drag marks. What would be the reason for taking those folks away from the area. I think it is possible they were recognized and could be someone they had seen before. There hasn't been any word on whether money was taken from their accounts or not. But I believe the people that did this had planned it. But the fact the grandchild was there, was totally not what they expected. I believe it was the fact that they possibly had money around, because they had been selling things all day and they would have quite a bit of cash in the home. I wonder was any cash found??? Were their CC used at any banks or was money withdrawn. I don't think this is going to have a good ending.  And JB, thanks for the names of the persons in California, the McStay's, who disappeared much the same way. This is incredible that people can just disappear like this. The Calgary area is surely on the top of the list for violent crimes lately. And JB, just to add, I am aware that Calgary is not on the west coast, I lived there for a couple of months and also in Victoria, B.C. So I know the geography and stated it in correctly. I just mean western Canada. I do know there is a lot of crime in B.C., and Calgary. There is a certain amount down this way too, but there seems to be some shocking events lately related to violent crimes in western Canada. We pray for good news on this one, but as each day goes by it looks grim.  I truly hope that anyone that does know anything related to these missing persons, to please call your Calgary Police or Crime Stoppers and the numbers are already listed on this thread.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 03, 2014, 08:13:43 AM
Apart from petty thievery, Canada's crimes are becoming more violent than ever before.  Crime has no boundaries.
Even when our neighbourhoods appear to be peaceful, it isn't always so. I have observed that creeps come out nite.
They need the cover of darkness to "earn their living" off of innocent hard working people.
They have no sense of shame.

It does not look good  for these people.  Unless, they  took them, not only to access more money, but to possibly hold them for ransom. Just a guess on  my part.  Let us hope that this is the case. It was announced on tv that in a few more days, a reward of $100,000 will be offered.

Today, a community centre, within the couples nhbd,  will be open from 10 am to 10 pm with the police asking those who attended the sale,. to take a picture of what they purchased and bring it to the centre so that they can deduct the items sold from the items left in the home, and possibly figure out what items the abductors had taken.  It is a long shot - but I have confidence that everyone who did buy items will certainly attend. Naturally, Citizens will want to do everything in their power to help.

Saw families members this am, making a plea - .Each minute that passes, must be excruciating for the family. It certainly is sobering to think of the whole situation.  Unbelievable.  We have had abductions in this country, but never a couple and a child that I can recall.

Video of parents plea to the abductors.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/Video+Parents+missing+child+plead+return/9994839/story.html

 
JB

 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 03, 2014, 09:24:59 AM
I don't think the child, Nathan, was part of the plan. He just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time imo. He must have witnessed something tragic ... drag marks with a dark fluid ... doesn't sound very good. I hope all the people who attended the sale will come forward, and who knows, perhaps some might even recall something unusual or unusual people.

My sister has some recreational vehicles for sale and she refuses to advertise on Kijiji.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 03, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
SAP, as I earlier stated, I do not beleve they thought little Nathan was going to be at the home, when this crime was planned. There would have to be more than one person. Also, they would have to have a large vehicle, possibly a van to take these people at the same time. This is very sickening, the parents of the child must be devastated and to lose their parents as well at this time, very sad. Hopefully every tip that comes in will bring them closer to solving this case.  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 03, 2014, 01:30:02 PM
There have been about 100 tips from people who claim to have seen the little boy.  Question, why not the Grand Parents?

I agree with Cape that the perps might have had a van - or a very large vehicle to hold the perps and the three abductees. Also, the perps  would have to feed them, and hide them somewhere.
That concerns me - would they bother??

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 03, 2014, 03:12:26 PM
UPDATE" http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-no-motive-no-suspects-police-say-1.2695310


Nathan O'Brien Amber Alert: No motive, no suspects, police say

Police say between 200 and 300 people came through home of Kathy and Alvin Liknes for estate sale

Calgary police say they are moving forward with the investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old boy and his grandparents but still have no motive or suspects they can name.

At a press conference Thursday, Sgt. Doug Andrus told reporters police are pleased with the direction the investigation is moving and that there has been a tremendous response from the public. However, he said there are still a lot of unanswered questions about what happened to Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes.
■Nathan O'Brien Amber Alert | What we know so far
■'Stay strong,' urge family of missing Nathan O'Brien, 5, and his grandparents
■Condolence website | Nathan, Kathy and Alvin

"We're keeping an open mind, looking at all possibilities, hoping we'll find them alive," said Andrus. "We have no suspects we can name, but we have information that's allowed us to move forward."

Nathan and his grandparents were discovered missing Monday morning by his mother, who arrived to pick him up from a sleepover at their house only to find the home empty.

An Amber Alert was issued at 5:15 p.m. MT and police said there are signs the three did not leave the house willingly.

The family had held an estate sale over the weekend in preparation for a move to Edmonton — now, investigators say between 200 to 300 people may have passed through, and they're looking to eliminate as many sets of fingerprints as possible by talking to people who were at the estate sale.

Andrus said investigators are also reviewing CCTV footage from the area and have expanded their neighbourhood inquiry zone to talk to more people.

They're also in touch with the Canadian Border Services Agency and partnering agencies in the U.S.

While many questions remain, Andrus said investigators believe they are moving in the right direction.

"I would say it's less a mystery to us," he said. "Are we closer than yesterday? I would say we are."

Someone knows something: police chief

Earlier Thursday, the chief of the Calgary Police Service said he is convinced someone knows something about the disappearance of Nathan and his grandparents, who have been missing for four days.

"We are now convinced there are people out there with information," said police Chief Rick Hanson.

He didn't explain what led investigators to that conclusion, but police are looking to speak with everyone who was at the family's estate sale.

Investigators will be at the Parkhill Community Centre at 4013 Stanley Rd. S.W. Thursday until 10 p.m. MT to speak with anyone who attended the sale.

Police ask that anyone who bought something from the sale bring a photo of it to the community centre so investigators can catalogue what was purchased and what remains in the home.

Blog started for condolence messages

People looking to offer messages of support to the family can do so on a new website.

Police said messages of support have been rolling in from across the country.

The blog has been created as a dedicated place for those messages, along with information on how people can submit tips to Crime Stoppers.

Since the family of Nathan and his grandparents made a plea for their safe return, Calgary police said they have received numerous tips and that those are currently under investigation.

No idea of motive

However, four days after the three went missing there are still many unanswered questions and investigators say the longer it goes on, the more concerned they become.
■Family, police hold off on reward

"We don't know the motive behind this. Right now we have three individuals who have disappeared under suspicious circumstances," said Andrus.

"I can tell you, though, that the forensic crime scenes unit did examine some marks on the side of the house and we're in the process of determining their relevance to the investigation," he said."

"There were marks on the side of the house that went on for a distance."

At this point, the Amber Alert remains active.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the Calgary Police Service at 403-266-1234 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 03, 2014, 07:19:02 PM
 CBC had a very extensive report on this about an hour ago. I couldn't understand the facts the police were saying, so at the 11:00 top of the hour on CBC, I will turn the news on again and get the detailed message. I was on the phone at the time and couldn't get the whole story. Hopefully some new leads will solve this case. Prayers to all concerned. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: scotsquine on July 04, 2014, 07:16:05 AM
So the police say that they are making progress with this case. They haven't allowed the family to announce that they have a large reward for information. I am thinking that this might be a kidnapping for ransom. Anyone else thinking this?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 04, 2014, 08:55:13 AM
Yes, I wonder about that as well.  I wondered if the $100,000 reward was a code to the abductors.

But now, I am beginning to wonder...... I have suspicions that all is not what it "appears" to be.

The police have acquired info from closed circuit within the neighbourhood.  Tips are coming in - and earlier this a.m,
the cops included the word Taxi.

It is less of a mystery to them, however, they cannot "name" them. name in quotations, according to cbc.

I have a feeling that they have their suspicions. Note: They say they have no motive. If it was kidnapping for reward, one would think that they would leave "no motive" out of the statement?? On second thoughts,  there would be a complete news black out until the transaction is completed? Not so, in this case.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Police+disappearance+less+mystery+going+into+fifth/9998599/story.html

excerpt:
"As a police investigation into the disappearance of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents enters its fifth day, officers say new information has helped them better understand the mystery that has attracted international attention.

But police said they have no motive and were coy about whether they have identified suspects into the alleged kidnapping of Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, and their grandson Nathan.

Investigators have been reviewing surveillance footage and combing through tips that have come in from across the country.

In the past 24 hours, the case has become “less of a mystery to us,” Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus told reporters. “I can’t comment on the degree.”

There are “no suspects I can name,” he said. When pressed on whether there was anyone of interest, he replied: “We’ve had information that’s allowed us to move forward.”


JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 04, 2014, 10:14:34 AM
According to Calgary Sun Media (tweet by Jon Wells of Sun)  A truck from the home was towed away.

Open link to see truck being towed.    https://twitter.com/SUNjimwells/status/484822322390380544/photo/1

Not to be confused with - http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/07/04/police-looking-for-truck-in-missing-trio-case.

Sorry, I can't post pictures.  Debbiec - help?


Police looking for truck in Calgary missing trio case  0

 By Bill Kaufmann   ,Calgary Sun 
First posted:  Friday, July 04, 2014 11:19 AM MDT  | Updated:  Friday, July 04, 2014 11:48 AM MDT 

Missing persons case green truck

Police looking for a late 80s or early 90s, Ford 150, green in colour and appears to be kept in very good condition.
 
 
City police are seeking the driver of a pickup truck they believe might have information on the disappearance of a five-year-old boy and his grandparents.

They say the green, late 1980s or early 1990s Ford 150 was seen in the area of 38a Ave. SW at the time the three people were taken from their home late Sunday or early Monday.


JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 02:47:52 PM
Hi Everyone!

I think the police need to really check the bathrooms! These perps may have asked to go to the bathroom, to set up their crime.

...or the basement, hid in the basement, until everyone was getting ready for bed. Leaving the Liknes's vulnerable. The Liknes's may not have checked their whole house, for stray buyers...leaving them  as easy targets.

Whoever took them, knew they had a grandson. May have even tried to get really friendly during the day...then scoped out the location. They may have been there both days...faking that they were humming and hawing over some item.

They took the boy because they knew he would recognize them.

I pray that they are ALL found alive. 🙏

The first 48 hours, are so precious! I pray that the Calgary Police are working around the clock, and other seasoned officers from other jurisdictions! Don't make the mistakes that were made at my Auntie's murder investigation! Time is of the essence!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
Plus...it is not that hard to find that truck.

Security officers should check all mall parking lots! ...after dark or closing!

...not just in Calgary...Airdrue, Cochrane, Olds, Canmore, Taber, Brooks, Red Deer, Rocky Mountain House
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
Put the daughter under hypnosis!

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Kazoo on July 04, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
I am afraid this is not looking too promising.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trucks-driver-sought-in-search-for-missing-alberta-boy-grandparents/article19463983/

Violent crime occurred at Calgary home where 3 went missing, police say

A violent crime occurred in the residence where three Calgarians, including a five-year-old, went missing this week, and someone probably is in “medical distress” because of the violence, police said Friday.

Calgary Police Service investigators made the call after examining forensic evidence, Staff Sergeant Doug Andrus told reporters. There was no forced entry into the home.

Officers want to speak with the driver of a green Ford truck spotted several times in the neighbourhood on the day of the crime, believing that the driver has “information” related to the missing persons investigation.

Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Alvin Cecil Liknes and Kathryn Faye Liknes, were last seen by family members Sunday evening, and discovered missing Monday morning.

The truck in question is a Ford 150, made in the late 1980s or early 1990s. The vehicle appears to be in “very good condition,” CPS said.

Police captured images of the truck in the neighbourhood on CCTV. It was spotted several times on tape before the crime. It is unknown whether more than one person was in the vehicle.

Investigators are expediting the processing of forensic evidence. Staff Sgt. Andrus would not say what specifically prompted investigators to describe the crime as violent or why one or more of the missing could be in “medical distress.”

The Liknes couple hosted a well-advertised estate sale Sunday, and about 200 people may have passed through the home. Police do not know if the driver of the green truck went through the home.

Staff Sgt. Andrus would not say whether the driver is a suspect. The driver is considered a “person of interest” in that police want to speak with whoever was behind the wheel. “The Calgary Police Service is seeking public assistance to identify a vehicle and driver who may have more information about three people who went missing earlier this week,” the police said.

About 75 people who attended the estate sale spoke with police at the Parkhill Stanley Park Community Centre Thursday. Police are collecting fingerprints to compare against those found in the home after the disappearance. Investigators also want people to bring in photographs of items they bought at the sale so that they can determine what items are missing from the Liknes residence.

The police collected CCTV footage from neighbours and businesses in the southwest Calgary neighbourhood.

An Amber Alert is still in effect for Nathan, and his grandparents are not suspects. His parents said their son is not old enough to know their phone numbers or address. The homicide unit is working the case.

Ms. Liknes worked as a real-estate agent before starting Website Marketing Inc. Mr. Liknes had been involved in several business ventures, one of which was reported to have gone bankrupt.

Nathan, who adores superheros, went for a sleepover at his grandparents’ home, with his mother leaving him there around 10 p.m. Sunday. When she returned Monday around 10 a.m., the three family members were gone.

The Liknes home was found in a manner inconsistent with their habits, police said. There were “marks” on the side of the home that stretched “a distance,” Staff Sgt. Andrus said Wednesday. He would not elaborate Friday when asked if the marks were related to the truck or a struggle.

The Liknes couple was selling all of their possessions, with plans to visit Edmonton and then Mexico. They were then going to move to Edmonton, where they already purchased a home.

One neighbour, Zoong Nguyen, attended the sale said the items were dated and she did not see anything that looked very valuable.

Nathan is three feet tall with blond curly hair and brown eyes and was last seen in peach shorts and a stripped blue hoodie.

Mr. Liknes, 66, is about six feet tall, weighs 200 pounds and has grey-blond hair. Ms. Liknes, 53, is 5-foot-3, weighs about 120 pounds, and has red-brown hair and green eyes.

Jennifer and Rod O’Brien, Nathan’s parents, made a public plea on Wednesday for information and the safe return of their family members. They did not offer a reward for information or the return of their son, even though Mr. O’Brien earlier in the week indicated in an e-mail to CTV Calgary that the family was considering putting up about $100,000.

Mr. and Ms. O’Brien both work at Cenovus Energy Inc., an oil sands company, in Calgary.

With a report from Allan Maki.

Follow Carrie Tait on Twitter: @CarrieTait
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
Kazoo, I agree, and now a vehicle was found in Ontario with 3 occupants, and it was burned so bad, they could not make out what kind of vehicle it was.(says it was Ontario plates) but you never know...???

The daughter needs to be hypnotized! She was there until 10:00 p.m. She may have met the perps, unknowingly.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 04, 2014, 06:17:18 PM
Baba, welcome back, long time no hear. I believe Nathan's mom just dropped him off, I don't think that there were any buyers there at that time, because it was 10:00 p.m. and she had her pyjamas on at that time. I believe this guy in the green truck was planning something and surely someone can identify the truck. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
Hiya Cape!

Oh, I thought I read somewhere she was there for a couple of hours at the sale. ...because neighbours talked about Nathan playing at the park, too.

(Thank God 'Vader' is still in jail...I think) ~ looks like this could be part of his crew. This is so similar to the older couple who went missing from St. Albert.

😢
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
Thanks Cape! 😊
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 04, 2014, 07:16:23 PM
taken from reply #12:
Quote
June 27-29: Alvin and Kathryn Liknes hold an estate sale at their house. Signs on the front door say, “come on in!” Dozens of people cycle in and out of the home over weekend. Neighbours who chatted with the couple say they were talking about ‘downsizing’ and moving to Mexico. Cherri Hodgins, a friend of Kathryn Liknes, said the couple bought a condo there and had been planning to move for several months.

Midday, June 29: Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien goes to visit his grandparents with his mother, Jennifer. In the afternoon, neighbour Peter Walton’s grandkids play with Nathan O’Brien in the park behind the Liknes home, while Alvin Liknes looks on from the garage.

10 p.m., June 29: After staying at the house for an unknown amount of time, Jennifer O’Brien leaves her parents’ house, and Nathan stays with his grandparents. It’s the last time anyone sees Nathan or his grandparents.


10 a.m., June 30: Jennifer O’Brien returns to her parents’ house to pick up Nathan. There is no one at the house. She calls police.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 04, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
Hi Deb! Thanks for the copy and paste! :)

Logic, after pondering it, I believe it could possibly be another 'Honour Killing'...but that is for another thread.

May Zainab, Sahar, and Geeti, R.I.P., and know we will never forget! 😢😢😢
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 04, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
Hi Deb! Thanks for the copy and paste! :)


You're welcome Baba. Good to see you. :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 04, 2014, 10:50:48 PM
CTV Calgary Staff
Published Friday, July 4, 2014 5:13AM MDT
Last Updated Friday, July 4, 2014 6:35PM MDT

 
Investigators have released a photo of a truck that was spotted on surveillance footage in southwest Calgary around the time that Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents disappeared and are looking to speak with the driver.

Kathy and Alvin Liknes and five-year-old Nathan were last seen at 10:00 p.m. Sunday by family memebers.

Police have been at the scene since  Monday and on Friday released images of a truck from CCTV footage collected in the area.

S/Sgt Doug Andrus says the truck was seen several times and police are asking the public for help to find it.

"We have taken steps to try to identify the truck but now we’re asking the public for assistance in identifying the truck and driver. The vehicle was seen in the area the night of the incident driving in the area several times and we believe the person in that vehicle will have information that will assist us in our investigation," said Andrus.

The truck is described as a green, late 80s or early 90s, Ford 150 and police say it appears to have been kept in very good condition. Anyone who saw the vehicle in the area on the night of June 29 is asked to contact police.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-confirm-violent-crime-occurred-in-home-of-missing-trio-1.1898699 (http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-confirm-violent-crime-occurred-in-home-of-missing-trio-1.1898699)

click to enlarge picture
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 05, 2014, 09:34:56 AM
Not all is at it seems and I think just like any other case where media are tripping over each other for news ... discrepancies abound. Comments by Mrs. Liknes seem to vary and then the one neighbor who claims his own grand kids played with Nathan in the park Sunday afternoon while all reports claim Nathan didn't arrive at his grandparents' house until late, around 10 pm. Or were the kids in the park after 10 pm and not in the afternoon?   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Miracle on July 05, 2014, 09:37:20 AM
It is still day light here in Alberta well after 10pm.  We see kids playing in the parks here after 10pm.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 05, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trucks-driver-sought-in-search-for-missing-alberta-boy-grandparents/article19463983/

Excerpt:

Quote
Amanda Pick, the executive director of the Missing Children’s Society of Canada, assists police with the society’s search program dubbed Milk Carton 2.0. The system allows people to post information about missing kids on Facebook and Twitter and create an online search party. Ms. Pick, who is based in Calgary, said her investigative team, which consists of former law enforcement officers, said this missing-persons case is out of the ordinary.

“They’ve worked on cases for 20 years and they said they’ve never seen anything like” this, she said.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 05, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
Not all is at it seems and I think just like any other case where media are tripping over each other for news ... discrepancies abound. Comments by Mrs. Liknes seem to vary and then the one neighbor who claims his own grand kids played with Nathan in the park Sunday afternoon while all reports claim Nathan didn't arrive at his grandparents' house until late, around 10 pm. Or were the kids in the park after 10 pm and not in the afternoon?   
SAP, that is what I understood. That when Nathan was dropped off to stay on Sunday night, that his grandmother had her pyjamas on and the grandfather had shorts and a T shirt on. This was written or said on TV, because I distinctly remember that. So that is two different stories. And that is why I indicated that earlier to Baba, so I know what you mean when there are different stories on the go. Sure is a scarey situation here, hope there are some answers. But that truck should be able to be identified.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 10:23:46 AM
i'LL BET THAT TRUCK IS NO LONGER GREEN! iT CAN BE REPAINTED IN NO TIME FLAT. Not a professional job, but passable and a different colour. I noted on TV, techies  cleared up the picture of the truck.  It looked as if it was "detailed". Curly cues over the wheels, and a fine line running across  the side.  I wish the police would post that one!! I wonder why they are not?

quote from article

"“We don’t have a motive at this point,” Sgt. Andrus said. “We have a number of theories we’ve developed over the course of the investigation, and we’re going to continue to work on those theories.”

Did the police check to see if there was any money from the sale of items in the house?

Some things are not adding up.  Why take them out of the home?  Just tie them up and take whatever you want.
Removing 3 people is a lot of work, and the risks of being seen in doing so would be great.  Neighbours on both sides.

The driver of the truck - if he knew there was a sale going on - would not have driven around.  I wonder if this sale caught him by surprise?  Which leads to possibly a different theory other than estate sale.?

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 05, 2014, 10:33:04 AM
It would be quicker to just steal another vehicle.  I see there are lots of violent people on the Calgary's Most Wanted list. Probably one of them.
If it were more than one person, how would they all fit into that truck?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 05, 2014, 10:37:49 AM
Looking, I think police just want to talk to the driver b/c he had been noted to be in the area later in the evening and it didn't sound as though he was considered a suspect, just a poi who may have seen something.

Cape, remember the media around DM and the girls and the boat down in Ontario? They had gone a little wild with stories and in this case, I hope at least the quotes from police are written correctly.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 10:47:33 AM
Whoever it was took great risks in removing these people from the home.  Neighbours on both sides of them.
I wonder why no one heard anything.  It seems to me that the truck was driven between the house and nhbrs to load up. Scrape marks along the wall, and drag marks on the pavement,  I believe?

One would think neighbours would hear the truck doors opening and closing, or noises coming from the home??

Why take the risk is my question? Here,  it is similar to Sonia Varaschin case.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
Here is a fresh account, from the beginning.  The press did not have time to screw it up.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/02/our-son-and-family-could-be-anywhere-right-now-calgary-family-appeals-for-location-of-missing-boy-and-grandparents/

quote:

Alvin Liknes and his wife Kathy were planning to move to a new home in Edmonton and then to Mexico. They were selling their things as they downsized.

Nathan and his mother helped with the sale on Sunday. O’Brien says her son, always a friendly chatterbox, would remind his grandmother to say “thank you” when she sold something to one of the many people who passed through the home.
Police say the mother left the home at 10 p.m. When she returned 12 hours later, everyone was gone.

Police were called and an Amber Alert issued, but the three have not been heard from since. :'(

JB

ps: quote from article.

It’s almost unheard of for three people to disappear simultaneously, said Amanda Pick, the executive director of the Missing Children Society of Canada.

“My team composed of former law enforcement officers who have retired … have many, many years of experience,” she said. “Collectively, they have not seen a case like this, either. To say this case is very rare and unique is quite accurate.”

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 12:20:44 PM
Hi JB,

Since the daughter helped with the sale, I believe she would have crossed paths with the perps. That is why she should be hypnotized.

Nathan was probably sleeping by the time she left her parents, which is probably why she let him stay overnight.

If the perp(s) were laying low in the basement, (he)they would have been waiting for the daughter to leave. With the father being fairly large, there would have to be a pretty strong person to take him down.

I am also thinking...what if the green truck was stolen, for the purpose of this crime?

Looking at the pictures, this would not have been an older man who restored this truck. Are those winter tires? They look fairly new.

Just throwing my thoughts out there.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
Hi Baba Donya: Good to hear from you again!! Long time "no see".

Yes, all good thoughts given by you.

There had to be more than one person - just my guess.


At this moment, Calgary Police and RCMP on property East of Airdrie.  Tactical Operations truck at scene.

* Police presence continues  to grow.
* Roadblocks set up.


JB




Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Cops at property East of Airdrie.

see above post.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 02:01:19 PM
Thanks JB, missed you, too!

Looking: I think you are right. Or, the truck was used to move what was being dragged, then they blazingly took it back, hoping no one would notice the Liknes's were missing, for awhile.

JB...my instincts were thinking Airdrie.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 05, 2014, 02:03:19 PM
That's a good idea too.  More room in it for all passengers?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 02:06:43 PM
Looking: plus, you could drive everyone to Airdrie and get back to the house in Calgary, park the truck in a couple of hours. Plus, the truck may have been seen on camera during the night, too.

If they had the audacity to clean the driveway....they knew they had time. I just can't believe the neighbours or dogs would have noticed nothing during the night! Shocked, actually.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
5 more police vehicles have just arrived on property.
Looks like place is swarming with cops.


Police have yet to confirm if this has anything to do with missing family from Calgary

I am thinking this could take hours.  Let us hope this raid is about little Nathan, and Grandparents.
Noticed in news that 31 guns were stolen in Calgary - Could this raid strictly be about that?  and not the missing threesome?

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 02:24:07 PM
JB, maybe just as well, criminals watch TV. Plus they don't need curious onlookers overwhelming them. Might draw more attention.

I am praying they are ALL found alive!

So good to see both RC's and Calgary City Police working as a team!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
CCF...scenario 'c' for me.

This reminds me of the McCann's from St. Albert who have never been found. I believe someone was hiding in the motorhome. They were announcing to people, too, they were heading on holidays.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
The GPS on the Liknes's truck, may have directed the RCMP and Calgary Police to this spot. Or if they had OnStar.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 03:14:12 PM
NOT LOOKING GOOD!

POLICE ARE NOW SEARCHING IN TALL GRASS  ON PROPERTY - SHOULDER TO SHOULDER IN GRIDS.

ALSO CHECKING BUILDINGS ON PROPERTY.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 03:20:32 PM
JB...sadly yesterday when I was in deep prayer for a young lad who passed away in Vernon and his family. "Nathan" kept popping into my prayers.

I just wasn't sure if I should mention it.

I sure hope and pray they are found alive!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 03:31:43 PM
COMING UP ON CBC NEWS RIGHT NOW

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 04:03:51 PM
A truckload of Porta Potties have arrived on the property, indicating that police will be there for quite  sometime.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 04:18:55 PM
JB..which CBC channel?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 04:29:38 PM
CBCNational.  Channel 15.

No worries -.
The news will repeat it -

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: LadyVenom on July 05, 2014, 04:49:54 PM
According to CTV Calgary updates  they have taken a man into custody in relation to a Green Ford F150 in the area...  but no comments have been released of course as of yet.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
Yes, I agree, the police do not need extra chaos.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
LadyV, looks like they took him in last night....

So, that is why the police started making their presence there, last night.

Good job!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 05, 2014, 05:20:47 PM
I do not think police have publicly stated the address of this residence (or even the street). Please feel free to correct me (with a quote from LE) if I've missed something. If you think you've figured it out based on pictures in the media etc, please do not post the particulars. Police do not need people swarming into the area to 'take a look'.

We aim to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Thanks,
Debbie

Please do not link us to twitter.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
Police will be available at 6:30 pm via news media regarding search on property near Airdrie.

JB
 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: LadyVenom on July 05, 2014, 05:43:41 PM
Yes so sorry Debbie they did not release the address
@ Jellybean oh perfect hopefully they can provide some sort of an update!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Lady Venom:  Thanks for the heads up (CTV).  I hope that they are found safe. I am so thinking of the courageous young mother of Nathan.

Just learned that the AMBERT ALERT is STILL ON.
So, this is good news.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 05, 2014, 06:00:55 PM
Yes so sorry Debbie they did not release the address
@ Jellybean oh perfect hopefully they can provide some sort of an update!

Not a problem. I know everyone who is posting here has the best of intentions.

Once police give an update we will have more facts to go on. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 06:02:04 PM
AMBER ALERT IS STILL ON. This is a Good Thing.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 05, 2014, 06:37:51 PM
Police will be available at 6:30 pm via news media regarding search on property near Airdrie.

JB
 

This thread will re-open after police speak to the media.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 05, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
Police have now spoken with the media. Link below provided by JB (thanks).


Man taken in for questioning as part of investigation into missing boy, grandparents
 

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Saturday, July 5, 2014 7:32PM EDT
Last Updated Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:07PM EDT


Police have confirmed that a search in a bedroom community north of Calgary, Alta., is part of an ongoing investigation into the disappearance of a five-year-old and his grandparents, and that a man has been taken in for police questioning.

Members of the RCMP and Calgary Police Service confirmed on Saturday that a green Ford F-150 pickup truck matching the description of the one they have been looking for was located on a tree-lined driveway, near Airdrie. Police have been at that property, on Range Road 291, north of Highway 567, since 6 p.m. on Friday. Airdrie is located approximately 33 kilometres north of Calgary.

“Police can confirm that they are at the location as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Nathan O’Brien and Kathryn and Alvin Liknes,” Duty Insp. Joel Matthews told reporters Saturday evening.

Matthews said a search on that acreage was initiated after police received a tip from the public that a vehicle similar to the one that was seen on a surveillance video taken nearby the Liknes’ home in southwest Calgary was spotted.

Police said a man is also being questioned. He was escorted from the Airdrie property Friday night. Investigators say, however, that it is too early to determine if the man, the vehicle, or the property is connected to the mysterious disappearance of Nathan and his grandparents.

The three have been missing since Monday. Nathan had been staying with his grandparents at their Calgary home over the weekend. When his mother went to the house on Monday, none of them were there.

Police are expected to be at the Airdrie property for the next 24 to 36 hours. Several police units, including a search-and-rescue team and forensic officers are assisting with the search.

On Friday, police confirmed that a violent incident took place at the Liknes’ home where the trio went missing, and that they had found forensic evidence in the home. They didn’t detail what the evidence was.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/ctv-news-channel/man-taken-in-for-questioning-as-part-of-investigation-into-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1900748 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/ctv-news-channel/man-taken-in-for-questioning-as-part-of-investigation-into-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1900748)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2014, 08:12:21 PM
The family has had this property since 1904.

Check the abandoned wells. Alberta Environment can give historical data on that. All wells were registered, even if they are now abandoned.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 05, 2014, 11:26:21 PM
The neighbour interviewed in the video from the news link below shares an interesting tidbit.  He says the family on the acreage has lived there for decades and have two grown children, a daughter who lives elsewhere and a son who still lives at home.  The neighbour guessed the son's age to be around 50 (that's who would be the POI) but doesn't know anything about him because he hardly ever sees him.  The way the neighbour talks, he has lived across the road from where the search is happening for sometime as well.
 
http://globalnews.ca/news/1434528/missing-family-search-large-police-presence-at-rural-property-north-of-calgary/

So the questions now are IF he is the guilty party, was he at the sale that day or did he attend the residence at an earlier date since the Liknes' had ads on Kijiji prior to the estate sale.  I'm just wondering now if robbery was NOT the motive, but he was disgruntled over an item or items he had purchased...maybe he asked to put something aside and it accidentally got sold to someone else.  Another neighbour who attended the sale stated during an interview that "the items for sale did not seem very valuable", so another possibility is something was sold to him for more money (not implying the Liknes' are dishonest or were overcharging) than it was worth and he wanted some or all of his money back after finding out its true value.  People snap over the weirdest things, especially when they feel they have been wronged.  The way he kept circling the block shows some sort of intent if he is the guilty party.  He was aware of the extra car and waited for it to leave.  This is probably why there were no signs of forced entry either because he showed up very shortly after the daughter left.  He probably knocked on the door and one of the grandparents opened it thinking their daughter had returned because she had forgotten something behind or forgot to leave something with her son and the surprise encounter began.  The CBC news site states he is co-operating to "a degree", so he sorta-kinda-but-not-really is.  Perhaps he was not alone which is why it is only to a degree.  He may not have been the one who entered the home and he has a buddy who had the issue.  He may have driven him over to the house planning to get his money/item one way or the other and the POI was his accomplice and was circling the block acting as kind of a roving lookout.

This is a huge stretch, but I wonder if they don't briefly look at this guy as a potential suspect in regards to who murdered the Carlson's back in February.  They were around the same age as the Liknes'; according to reports, Don Carlson was a coin dealer.  Despite what the one neighbour stated above about the items at the sale, if the Liknes' were selling antiques (or possibly coins/stamps), antique dealers and coin collectors go hand in hand.  So there is the potential for a weak circumstantial tie-in, but nothing more.
 
Just everything about this case is such a bizarre and tragic chain of events.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 06, 2014, 12:08:54 AM
Hope they got the right guy.  What if he's innocent. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 06, 2014, 12:39:08 AM
Hope they got the right guy.  What if he's innocent.

That is something that will be determined through further investigation. He has yet to be charged with anything.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 01:25:35 AM
Looking: why would he be driving back and forth in this area, if he lived so far away? Was he the lookout?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 06, 2014, 08:37:26 AM
Good question.  Maybe there were others and another vehicle.  I think the cops would have found bodies by now if they were on the property.  I'm reminded of a big search on a property west of Prince George for Nicole Hoar that seemed promising, but nothing was ever found.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Thank you for the article CCF, much appreciated by we readers.

The POI's sister lives in the US. One neighbor described him, as "being somewhat removed", (whatever that means), and he is highly intelligent.

If he is still being questioned, I wonder how long the police can legally keep him in their custody?

Being highly intelligent, I wonder if he has requested a lawyer?

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 06, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
  If the police finds evidences in his truck, then I think they can hold him for much longer, and charge him. He may become more cooperative too, if they can question him about as to why the Liknes were in his truck. It seems that if he had gone to the sale as everyone else just to buy something or to look , he should have been released already. He has been in custody now for fourty hours, I don't think the RCMP would hold him that long if they only had a CCTV of his truck cruising by a few times.
   Almost a week now since they are gone.
 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 11:34:55 AM
quote Naz " It seems that if he had gone to the sale as everyone else just to buy something or to look , he should have been released already. He has been in custody now for fourty hours, I don't think the RCMP would hold him that long if they only had a CCTV of his truck cruising by a few times."

Very true!
Charter of Rights, etc, etc.

I doubt if DNA results of the crime scene from the home invasion have been processed at this time. However, they will keep the truck until all forensics are returned - that is - if they feel that they have probable cause to.Thanks Naz

My G0d, what a nightmare for the families.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 12:01:03 PM
Where are the dogs???

Cell phones???

Did this man have a disposable cell phone??? Who does he hang out with -ask parents...check landline for calls.  Did he control his parents? (Parent abuse)??? If so gave him the confidence to pull this off.

If someone said he was off, but was very intelligent...he may very well be manic. Which would explain why he has a high level of intelligence. Without meds, if he is manic, I would not want to be in he same room if he has a manic episode. (Could explain why sister lives in the States.) Check the walls and door frames of the house. It is a tell tale of mental illness. Parents end up giving into his demands to keep peace.

Bottom line...what is his explanation for cruising so many times  near the Liknes's home?

Get him drunk, he will spill the beans!!!

If he is manic, he will eventually boast and brag how he outsmarted everyone. And if he has lawyered up, just wait he will call his lawyer an idiot, eventually. Manics are arrogant and bullies, yet the have a keen sense as to say what people want to hear. Very good smooth talkers...then they go in for the attack.

Just my opinion and experience with manic behaviours.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 06, 2014, 12:02:42 PM
man has been released.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 06, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
 but they still searching the propriety. I think they are waiting on forensics on the truck...He is still a person of interest..
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 06, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
No worries JB, Global always seems to have the better scoops on major stories.

Considering the POI is co-operating only "to a degree" is very telling.  If this fellow by pure coincidence had the same model and color of truck from the same era, he'd be vehemently denying any involvement and proclaiming innocence.  He's hiding something, it's just a matter of time before he spills the beans.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 12:14:33 PM
I concur CCF...it won't take him long!

If they can do aerials of mass graves in Europe...why can't they do that here???
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 06, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
If he's intelligent, he won't leave bodies on his own property.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 06, 2014, 12:36:29 PM
If I recall correctly, I believe it's 48 hours max you can be held as a detainee without charges being brought forward on you.  After that, it's an infringement on your Charter Rights and you have to be released in order for charges to be brought forward at a later date and to ultimately get a conviction.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
The fact that he was released tells me the following;

He is declaring his innocence - not admitting to anything of substance.

Police do not have anything on him to warrant further holding - and had to release him.  It is the law.

Still a person of interest?  They can continue their investigation without him. The cops said the property may take 36 hours to search.  So I would think the Search Warrant was issued to cover that time period.

If they have probable cause to extend the time limit to search the property, I think they would have to go to a magistrate to have the search warrant extended.

Just an amateur armchair lawyer speaking here!  ???

JB

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
Thanks for the heads Up Naz on just released.

I found this update:/  I just noted on website e: Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Calgary and area!  - this may hamper search of property./jb

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/person-of-interest-in-missing-persons-investigation-released-from-police-custody-1.1901258

'Person of interest' in missing persons investigation released from police custody

Ryan White, CTV Calgary
 Published Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:03PM MDT 
 Last Updated Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:31PM MDT 


A man who was transported by police from an acreage northeast of Airdrie on Friday night has been released from custody but remains a person of interest in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of a young child and his grandparents.

Calgary police continue to search the property on Range Road 291, on the outskirts of the city of Airdrie. A pickup truck was seized from the property but police have not confirmed if the vehicle, the person of interest, or the property are linked to the missing persons investigation.

The identity of the person of interest has not been released as police have not charged the man.



An Amber Alert remains in place and police are asking for anyone with information about the whereabouts of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien or his grandparents, Kathryn and Alvin Liknes, to contact the CPS or Crime Stoppers.

The child and his grandparents were last seen on Sunday June 29 at the Liknes' home in the southwest Calgary community of Parkhill. Police have confirmed a violent incident occurred in the residence.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 12:55:49 PM
Lol CCF, it is a figure of speech.

But, I have heard of confessions from bars, before. Just sayin'
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
Thanks JB for the update.  :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
I have a feeling this is going to be a long haul for the police.  In any event, I am sure they are hoping that dna and forensic labs are able to get the results back in lickety split time.  It is a sad fact, but labs are overworked - and many other law enforcements are awaiting results for their investigations.

It is not like it used to be - when all fingers pointed to a perp and they would be charged and have to stand trial.
In this day and age, scientific evidence is expected by the courts.

Today, every i must be dotted and every t must be crossed (almost ironclad) Defence Lawyers look for mistakes made by law enforcement and the crown in order to defend their client.

I am hoping that by some miracle this family is found safe and sound.

JB

I too am wondering if there is any connection to the Calgary couple murdered in February. Don and Roxanne Carlson.
They lived just off McLeod Trail.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=7290.0
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 02:22:05 PM
JB, I, too am praying they return home safe.🙏

Interesting that you referred to that couple, because my 82 year old mother said the same thing. At her age, and she said they are targeting (white) Caucasians. This is her observation, but there may be a definite connection. Can't rule nothing out.

Plus, is it a 3 month cycle? A manic operates in cycles.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 06, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
Was surprised to hear on the news this p.m. that he was released. Also, it did not say on bail, just said he was released. Maybe there is a method to their madness, he must be denying everything and they can't find any evidence in the back of the truck. I'd say they'll be watching his every move and every phone call. There must be more than one person involved in this, I mean three people, one is going to run for help. Unless a gun was used and there was evidence of bullets around the crime scene. I do believe the police feel the victims are no longer alive. A great mystery, something like the Tim Bosma case. It took some time to unravel Tim's case. This is a great mystery as well, why these people were taken. The police are quite confident they have the right vehicle, I do believe. So I wonder what is going on here, unusual they are releasing him. Maybe others are involved and the police feel they'll contact him and that way they can nab them all at the same time, just a thought. I have no idea how far this place is from where the actual crime took place, what would it be in miles????
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Calgary to Airdrie - about 21 miles.

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
Hi Cape, depending on how fast you drive could be approximately 30-40 minutes, and how well you know Calgary. That may be how long it takes to drive there, from the Liknes's home.

Just brings back memories of the Bosna case, unsuspecting victims.

Sadly, it has been too many days without any ransom demands, etc. ; the outcome looks very grave. 😿

My prayers for the family and all should are working so hard to solve this!

I believe there was more than one person involved, too.

You know, somewhere I read that Alvin Liknes had claimed bankruptcy...could have angry lien holders got so upset if they read the ad? He gets to retire in Mexico, and they have never been paid back? Just throwing that out there, too.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 03:41:34 PM
This is interesting;  Yesterdays news from Metro. I wonder how long the son has lived there?/jb

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1087346/calgary-police-rcmp-converge-on-airdrie-area-property-no-word-on-connection-to-amber-alert-case/

snippets:

Neighbour Jim Nevada said he knows the father and mother of the family that resides at the property but didn’t know their adult son, whom he had only met “a couple of times,” nor their daughter, who lives in the United States.

“They lived on this road for 40 years,” Nevada said of the family.

and

"Boychuk, who has lived in the area for about 10 years, said she hasn’t seen much activity at the property under scrutiny.

“I don’t even know where the house is,” she said. “There’s just an interesting long driveway with trees; I’ve never even seen anyone come out of there.”



and

"Police have also conducted a thorough walkthrough of the Likneses’ southwest Calgary home and seized evidence that was taken to a forensic crime lab. It could take between several days to a week for the results to come back under what police described as an expedited process.



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 03:58:24 PM
Is there a root cellar? All old farms have them!

When I was praying, and interrupted by Nathan-vision (hard to explain)...he was in a very black dark room. Like dirt walls, he was standing. (His grandparents were not there.) Those root cellars are lethal when not vented properly.

Also, James Roszco, ambushed those RCMP officers by some hideout in his quonset.

...I don't know what to think....I just got a very vague..."Hurry"

I hope this little guy is the "Superhhero", his daddy called him!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
My brain is on overdrive...

Where is the POI parents?

Has something happened to them, too?

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
Has the "Amber Alert" been taken off?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 06, 2014, 05:06:18 PM
Not that I am aware of Baba.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 06, 2014, 05:09:44 PM
The last news report at 6:00, the amber alert was still on.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
I have been doing a bit more digging...boy oh boy....this POI, no wonder they had to take this lead seriously. Until, it is publicly announced, I will not say anything.

The Calgary Herald mentioned the tents.

Is there going to be a media release tonight?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 06, 2014, 05:21:40 PM
http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/07/06/police-release-person-of-interest-in-mysterious-disappearance-of-calgary-boy-and-his-grandparents

By Jenna McMurray   ,Calgary Sun 
First posted:  Sunday, July 06, 2014 02:25 PM EDT  | Updated:  Sunday, July 06, 2014 05:30 PM EDT 



O'Brien family Amber Alert missing boy Nathan pond search


Police search a pond near a rural Airdrie property in connection with the case of missing Calgary boy Nathan O'Brien, and his grandparents Alvin and Kathy Liknes, on Sunday, July 6, 2014. Jenna McMurray/Calgary Sun

Police searching a rural property in connection with the mysterious disappearance of a Calgary boy and his grandparents have zeroed in on a nearby pond.

Sunday afternoon, Calgary police and Mounties extended the search of an acreage east of Airdrie to a pond near the property, bringing in canine units, a boat and setting up a large tent beside the water.

Cops remain tight lipped about what may have been discovered at the scene.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 06, 2014, 05:41:58 PM

More (including pictures) can be viewed at the link below.


Nathan O’Brien amber alert investigators call in canine unit as they expand search for Calgary family
Bill Graveland, Canadian Press | July 6, 2014 | Last Updated: Jul 6 6:07 PM ET


Investigators brought in a dog and a police motorboat on Sunday as they shifted their search for a five-year-old Calgary boy and his grandparents to a field and a slough north of an acreage.

The area police were focusing on Sunday is about a kilometre north of the acreage near this Calgary bedroom community that police combed on Saturday.

Yellow police tape blocked off an adjacent road and a half dozen officers and a dog walked through a field to the edge of a large slough. Moments later a Calgary police boat was towed into continue the search while a police helicopter searched overhead.

Earlier in the day police revealed they had released an individual taken into custody at the acreage Friday night.

Calgary police said he remains a “person of interest” and several police units will continue to search a residence connected to him on the outskirts of Airdrie.

Investigators say that, given the size of the property, the search is likely to continue throughout Sunday and into Monday as they search for clues in the disappearance a week ago of Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents — Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

Acting on a tip police arrived at the property late Friday night and found a green Ford F-150 truck similar to one spotted in a video taken near the Liknes home.

Police say they are trying determine if the truck, the property, or the man taken in for questioning, are linked to the investigation.

Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents disappeared from their Calgary home on Monday after the couple had been holding an estate sale.

Police confirmed Friday that there was evidence that a violent incident had occurred in the Liknes’ Calgary home.

Staff-Sgt. Doug Andrus would not confirm whether the evidence found in the Liknes’ tidy suburban home was blood.

“We don’t have a motive at this point,” Andrus said. “We have a number of theories we’ve developed over the course of the investigation, and we’re going to continue to work on those theories.”

Police say they want to hear from anyone who has any information regarding the whereabouts of the missing people or recognizes the pickup that was captured on video in the area of the grandparents’ home.

Investigators say an Amber Alert remains in place and is continuing to provide police with tips from the public.

Calgary Police Duty Inspector Joel Matthews cautioned that the public should not read too much into the person of interest being taken into custody.

“We’re questioning the man and following the lead on the vehicle just to further the investigation,” he said.

Matthews said at this point the man, who was taken into custody late Friday night, has been cooperating “to a degree”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/nathan-obrien-amber-alert-investigators-call-in-canine-unit-as-they-expand-search-for-missing-calgary-family/

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 09:42:11 PM
It said tonight on CTV News that the parents were asked by reporters of the relationship of their family and the POI, and the family stated, "No Comment."

...there is a link...
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 06, 2014, 09:55:18 PM
Baba do you mean the relationship between the poi's family and the poi? I think that is really unfair that media drag family into all of it. Whatever he has done is his doing and often family are as clueless  as the rest of us. Just like the BC serial killer case ... his friends and family had no idea. Having an oddball family member has to be hard on family but it should not reflect on family members. Just my opinion. Media sometimes often go too far. It's fine for the police to dig.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 06, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
Yes, that is true, we all have skeletons in our closet. Most of the time we try to disassociate ourselves...but somehow it still haunts us.

I am thinking of the relevance of it, though. There was no forced entry.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 06, 2014, 10:35:38 PM
Yes it would explain no forced entry ... they were familiar with each other.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 07, 2014, 07:36:23 AM
I'd like to know why the police are confusing the issue here, they released the suspect and today he's still a suspect. Don't get the gist of that. He's either a suspect, a POI or I wish they'd make up their mind. Keep that SOB behind bars, because he's going to try and slide out of this.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 07, 2014, 10:00:54 AM
The Amber Alert remains in effect and has now entered it's second week. 

CBC News has reported that the man taken into custody was released from questioning specifically in regards to the  disappearance of Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, but remains in police custody in relation to the new charge of identity theft laid against him this past weekend.

He is to make a court appearance related to his new charge of identity theft today.

He has not been named as a suspect in the disappearances.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 07, 2014, 12:13:21 PM
Here is an excellent article by the National Post - which tells us a bit more about the Person of Interest.

AT this time - he is only a Person of Interest, he is Not referred to as a Suspect by law enforcement.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/douglas-garland-is-person-of-interest-in-case-of-missing-boy-convicted-drug-trafficker-has-ties-to-family/

July 6, 2014 | Last Updated: Jul 7 7:14 AM ET

This man has quite a diverse and interesting background.

snippets:

This weekend’s police search isn’t the first time authorities have descended on the Garland’s farm: in October 1992, police uncovered a drug lab hidden inside a shed on the property.

Although police found no finished product, the lab contained a large quantity of chemicals used to make illegal synthetic drugs like methamphetamine.

Authorities found Douglas Garland in 1999, thanks in part to a tipster who contacted police after seeing his picture on an RCMP “most wanted” list online.

Douglas Garland was living in B.C.’s Lower Mainland and working as a chemical mixer at the B.C. Institute of Technology when police found him. He managed to evade detection by stealing the identity of Matthew Kemper Hartley, a 14-year-old boy killed in a car crash in 1980.

At Douglas Garland’s trial, court heard he was a genius who studied science at the University of Alberta and studied to be a doctor. He left the program before earning a degree.

He served a 39-month federal prison sentence for drug trafficking.

Douglas Garland’s time on the lam was the subject of a bizarre epilogue years later, when he fought the federal government in court over employment insurance benefits.

Douglas Garland had collected employment insurance benefits after getting fired from Can Test Ltd., a Vancouver laboratory firm where he worked between 1992 and 1997. The government later ruled that his earnings weren’t insurable because he worked under a false identity.

Douglas Garland appealed that decision to the Tax Court of Canada — and won, following a trial where he represented himself.

A written decision by Justice Campbell J. Miller in 2005 said Douglas Garland was a “troubled man,” who had attention deficit disorder and whose exit from university was precipitated by a mental breakdown.

“It was clear he was agitated throughout the trial, but it was also apparent that he was an intelligent individual,” Miller wrote.

The court heard Garland rose to become a supervisor of more than 30 people at Can Test but was unable to cope and suffered another breakdown. He was fired in 1997.

Although Garland concealed his identity, the judge ruled he performed legitimate work and the deceit shouldn’t negate his ability to collect benefits.

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From other articles he isto stand trial here in Alberta for the using false identity AGAIN.  I am wondering if he used it on his driver's license?  Anyhow, the cops released him momentarily as a person of interest in the O'Brian case,  that is why it was reported that he was released.  But then the cops turned around and charged him with using a false identity.
They have his truck - he is still in jail - and they can continue on with their investigation.
jb








Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: scotsquine on July 07, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
I heard that the POI's sister is in a relationship with a member of the missing family.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 07, 2014, 01:08:09 PM
Hi Scotsquine, yes,  I have read that somewhere, too.

Losing track of which network.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 07, 2014, 01:37:50 PM
Thanks JB for the update! :)

I will try this again....

Mr. Garland is going to stay in jail, until at least his bail hearing on Wednesday. (Very short court appearance.) CTV

Now, back to the farm/acreage...does it have a tractor? The police need to check the bucket. Plus, the tiller...I see the garden is in from the aerial. So if the tiller has been used ..fresh dirt...they need to look.

If you recall the a Chicken Coop murders....lime was used. They used a tractor to move the lime and bodies.

Mr. Garland went to the UofA, was in medicine, and he was charged with having some form of illegal lab and substances on the farm. So, this makes him studied and practiced with chemicals.

Plus, if he has been caught with one alias, he may have more....it has been said more than once he is a clever man.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 07, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
I don' think that le will find them today.
I am going to be a devils advocate - here and put out a supposition;

Is it possible that ----He was in the area to say goodbye to the couple as they were moving at some point, and he kept driving around and around as he saw a garage sale going on - so he eventually gave up and went home.

The police are holding him - and eventually the dna and other forensics will be back with results - and then we will see if he advances from a poi to a suspect. 

Anything can go three ways - he stays as a poi - he advances to a suspect or he is cleared.

Just because he is a STRANGE person, with a criminal record for using false identification, does not necessarily make a man a possible killer. He is not exactly and upstanding citizen on that we can all agree!

If it should turn out that he was not involved, then an awful lot of folks will have egg on their faces that is for sure, and that includes me as well.

I don't know how the elderly couple are taking all of this.  The inside of their home is being over run by law enforcement.  Nothing is left untouched.

I worry about the O'Brian family. With the son missing, just think - the daughter would turn to her parents for support and love.  She can't even do that - as her parents are missing as well. Out of respect for her and Nathan's Dad, I think the press should be a bit more considerate about discussing her family the way that they have.

The press releasing the tid bit of gossip about Mr. L at some point in his life having to declare a business bankrupt, to my mind  is SLEAZY.  Of what benefit is this to the public in the knowing. I know myself that when I learned of that "tid bit" it affected my way of thinking too ----- that is for AWHILE. That is something that I had no right to know.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth.

JB  :(   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 07, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
I think...
-the perp(s) drove around waiting for everyone to leave
-they took advantage of the daughter's leaving (door would be unlocked)

Or

-there was a perp hiding on the premises
-there was a perp waiting or driving around waiting for the daughter to leave
-once gone the perp in the vehicle would enter and the other from the inside, then ambush the grandparents
-take the child, but the child had to be silenced

Or

-or if Nathan ran and hid, I am sure he would have been found by now

Back to the media digging stuff...well, it is reality. At least Canadian media is not as horrible as the U.S. 

But knowing he went bankrupt begins the theory were people after him, because he owed them money. The house sale was expedited for a quick sale, maybe making it hard for people to put liens on???

Sometimes the media is helping with theories.

I think the media sometimes tells the criminal or future criminals too much information about the investigation process...helping them to perfect their next crime..or coverup better.

Our greed for knowledge, makes us just as guilty.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 07, 2014, 04:30:29 PM

Quote
The house sale was expedited for a quick sale, maybe making it hard for people to put liens on???


According to information posted early on, the house did not belong to the Liknes's.

The following is taken from reply #12- A Timeline

from Have Faith:
Quote
December 5, 2013: Alvin Liknes sells his Parkhill home to a Calgary lawyer. He continues to live in the home with his wife, Kathryn.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 07, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
Police have ended their search for today. Nothing was found.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 08, 2014, 12:24:37 AM
Yes, the house was no longer the Liknes's they sold it to the lawyer, and they were renting it from him. The sale was expedited for only reasons the sellers can explain.

The timing of the sale of the house, and the filing of bankruptcy, may be something to look into. Who were the potential lien holders? They may still be holding a grudge.

Debbiec: Are you 100% sure, that LE found nothing? Why would they release that? If they did, could it be strategy?

What they may not have come out with so far, is no bodies.

I guess it is a waiting game for DNA/forensic results.

When the media released the information that a Homicide Detective came to court with Mr. O'Brien, I believe it showed that the LE is in 'recovery mode' not 'rescue mode'. :(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 08, 2014, 12:39:08 AM
Bottom line...when it comes to the grandparents financial history, it is important to discover if at all had anything to do with their disappearance and their grandson.

If they are still alive, maybe looking into this could save them!

Frankly, I don't think the O'Briens really care right now what is found out about their parents, they just want their baby back! Plus they want Alvin and Kathryn found, too.

They (the O'Briens) are probably numb, confused, and feeling lost. They don't care what it takes, they just want their baby back!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 08, 2014, 12:50:17 AM
Quote
Debbiec: Are you 100% sure, that LE found nothing? Why would they release that? If they did, could it be strategy?

What they may not have come out with so far, is no bodies.

Perhaps I should have worded that differently. I was referring to Nathan and his Grandparents when I said nothing was found. As far as whatever else may have come out of the search, not much has been said in that regard. Police  are to resume searching tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 02:38:13 AM
I don' think that le will find them today.
I am going to be a devils advocate - here and put out a supposition;

Is it possible that ----He was in the area to say goodbye to the couple as they were moving at some point, and he kept driving around and around as he saw a garage sale going on - so he eventually gave up and went home.

The police are holding him - and eventually the dna and other forensics will be back with results - and then we will see if he advances from a poi to a suspect. 

Anything can go three ways - he stays as a poi - he advances to a suspect or he is cleared.

Just because he is a STRANGE person, with a criminal record for using false identification, does not necessarily make a man a possible killer. He is not exactly and upstanding citizen on that we can all agree!

If it should turn out that he was not involved, then an awful lot of folks will have egg on their faces that is for sure, and that includes me as well.

I don't know how the elderly couple are taking all of this.  The inside of their home is being over run by law enforcement.  Nothing is left untouched.

I worry about the O'Brian family. With the son missing, just think - the daughter would turn to her parents for support and love.  She can't even do that - as her parents are missing as well. Out of respect for her and Nathan's Dad, I think the press should be a bit more considerate about discussing her family the way that they have.

The press releasing the tid bit of gossip about Mr. L at some point in his life having to declare a business bankrupt, to my mind  is SLEAZY.  Of what benefit is this to the public in the knowing. I know myself that when I learned of that "tid bit" it affected my way of thinking too ----- that is for AWHILE. That is something that I had no right to know.

Just my thoughts for what they are worth.

JB  :(   

I agree with many of your points JB.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 08, 2014, 07:17:40 AM
Lol CCF, it is a figure of speech.

But, I have heard of confessions from bars, before. Just sayin'

I kind of figured as such  :).

Lots of developments in the past 36 hours though, especially with the two families linked to each other...hate to say it, but this POI is sounding just like Vader up in Edmonton, as far as the sequence of events go. A POI is taken in, charged for unrelated matters and held.  The thing that scares me is this Garland guy has a genius level of intelligence...I thought I had heard he was a supervisor in a chemistry department (or was it biology?).  If the worst what we all fear has happened, I'm not looking for just the bodies in marshes or ponds-I'm looking for large barrells.  That said, I'm suspecting they are searching the nearby ponds, fields and sleughs because they found long grass of a similar type in the undercarriage of the truck-be it wrapped around the axles or wherever.  The arial search probably turned up something not seen or easily from ground level.

I lived in Airdrie for 9 years and recently moved away to another part of the province.  I'm not going to say I know the area like the back of my hand, but I am familiar with the close by Range Roads.  The most direct route is Deerfoot Trail straight into Airdrie...but it is well lit in areas (in Calgary) and sees lots of traffic even at night.  Stony Trail, however would be the fastest route IMO from the SW end of the city where this-although it is lit.  But if a tarp was used to conceal anything in the box, at highway speeds at night you're not seeing anything or suspecting anything sinister.  As ST is the ring road, after rush hour it quiets down considerably.  At the north end, you can take Metis Trail and go on the backroads (although most are paved) right through to the north end of Airdrie wihtout fear of getting stuck at a traffic signal (aside from stop signs) or really even seeing anyone.  The whole trip would maybe take 25 minutes.

All I can say right now is thank God that person had the security camera...without them, I'd venture to bet the authorites would still be scratching their heads on square one.  It's almost the perfect crime...the weekend of an estate garage sale means lots of people in and out, some without even buying or touching anything.  If not for that one camera, this may not have opened as many doors as it has. 

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 08, 2014, 08:04:32 AM
There must be some information the police have related to the body of water they are searching. I just heard the news this morning, but nothing confirmed on anything they found. Of course, they are not going to say too much right now until they have some definite piece of evidence and then they'll be very secretive on what they found. I just hope they can get some answers and that this doesn't go on for a long period of time and this guy walks. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jobo on July 08, 2014, 08:35:59 AM
I was thinking the same thing....thank goodness some people and many businesses have CCTV.  I too lived in Airdrie back in the eighties....and we used to hang out at a horse farm northeast of town, but I can't remember the range road.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 08, 2014, 09:42:58 AM
This is a fairly long article so I haven't posted it in it's entirety. More can be viewed at the link below.


Nathan O’Brien Amber Alert: Estate sales and safety
Missing grandparents advertised estate sale on Kijiji classified website
CBC News Posted: Jul 08, 2014 3:00 AM MT| Last Updated: Jul 08, 2014 8:37 AM MT

 
Of the head-scratching details surrounding the disappearance of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, an estate sale held the day before the trio vanished from the Calgary house is possibly among the most compelling.

As many as 300 strangers likely wandered through the residence of Kathy and Alvin Liknes, as part of the estate sale throughout last weekend. Nathan, their grandson, slept over.

Now police want to interview all prospective buyers who visited the property.

No connection has yet been established between what appears to be a violent crime and the three-day event advertised online through the Kijiji classified network.

But the missing persons case could serve as a reminder of the dangers associated with online transactions and estate sales, especially as technology becomes more ubiquitous, said retired homicide detective James Jewell.

“These online venues didn’t exist 20 years ago, and so it’s becoming more prevalent that people are exposing themselves to danger,” the 26-year veteran of the Winnipeg Police Service said. “It’s obviously very disconcerting when people invite people into their homes, or have estate sales, or meet people through chatrooms online, or even internet dating.”

Reminiscent of Tim Bosma case

Violent home invasions following incidents in which perpetrators cased a residence have not been historically common in Canada, Jewell said. But he predicts “it's going to happen more and more as technology continues to evolve and people start using these websites more to meet people not known to them.”

The use of the classified website Kijiji is reminiscent of the case of Tim Bosma, an Ontario father who was slain last year after arranging to go on a test drive with two men who expressed interest in buying his truck. He had also posted an online ad to the classified service.

Following the reports of Bosma’s disappearance, Kijiji released a statement reminding users to beware of fraud and to meet in-person with interested buyers or sellers at crowded public places such as coffee shops.

Jewell worked more than 200 homicides during his years with the force. A vast majority of cold cases “come back to people being exposed to strangers,” he said.

Consumers who want to protect themselves when buying or selling items with strangers must be wary of “inviting strangers into their world,” he said, advising people to do their transactions in a neutral or public area instead.

B.C. real estate agent Lindsay Buziak was showing a million-dollar home to a couple in Greater Victoria by herself, police said, when she was stabbed to death in an upstairs bedroom six years ago.

Long before Jewell became a detective, he recalled his father discussing the still-unsolved 1979 murder of Irene Pearson, a real estate salesperson for Castlewood Homes. The woman’s body was found in the basement of a vacant home in northwest Winnipeg.

“My dad was a building inspector for Castlewood Homes at the time,” he said. “That’s a case that really jumps out at me.”

Private investigator Dave Perry has worked on many child abduction probes, including the high-profile cases of Holly Jones and Cecilia Zhang, during his 28 years with the Toronto police. Although he has never encountered a kidnapping in which an estate or property sale advertised online was a motive, Perry said would-be thieves are increasingly gleaning information posted online by people detailing their vacation plans, or even combing through obituaries.

“It’s very common,” he said. “Families have a loved one who is just deceased, people are away and grieving, busy with the funeral, so people’s houses are broken into.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-estate-sales-and-safety-1.2699450?cmp=rss (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-estate-sales-and-safety-1.2699450?cmp=rss)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 10:53:47 AM
Thank you Debbie. That's a great article. One of the persons interviewed/quoted claims a person should not let crime change their behavior. I wanted to go into Real Estate years ago but what prevented me was the Mary Ann Flett case (female Realtor murdered). Vicious crime does affect us.   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/close-family-connection-established-with-person-of-interest-in-missing-calgary-boy-case/article19502873/

This is quite a long article, and much of it is a repeat of others:

Here is a bit more about the Liknes's family...
They are shattered.

"Alvin Liknes, a petroleum engineer, comes from a family of nine brothers and sisters and is especially close to his twin brother Allen, for whom he named his first-born son, the relative said.

The ordeal has left the Liknes family reeling, said the relative, describing the clan as caring and deeply private.

"You just wait the best you can,” she said. “It’s just been so, so hard. You can’t imagine … and they are just so close, all of them.”

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Yes, Cape, I agree!

Thanks Debbie.

Looks like Alberta is going to have to change venues for Estate Sales to Flea Markets... Personal Safety.

JB, I can understand what this family is going through. I hope they know so many are rallying for them and praying for them!


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 11:35:59 AM
Also in the article above it seems to show how the poi's family have been followed by press. His sister and family aren't answering phones, have had to take down their FB profiles and haven't gone to work. This relentless hounding by press is really quite unnecessary as this younger sister is not responsible for her brothers problems and actions. If the poi is truly responsible, this is going to be devastating enough for all the families combined. Why do the press need to know all those details? It's not as if they are going to solve the case, and may even hinder police investigations. jmho
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Also in the article above it seems to show how the poi's family have been followed by press. His sister and family aren't answering phones, have had to take down their FB profiles and haven't gone to work. This relentless hounding by press is really quite unnecessary as this younger sister is not responsible for her brothers problems and actions. If the poi is truly responsible, this is going to be devastating enough for all the families combined. Why do the press need to know all those details? It's not as if they are going to solve the case, and may even hinder police investigations. jmho

I totally agree with all of the above.
The police will solve it - not the press.
I am disgusted with them, quite frankly.  They are going too far! Even contacting employers of families.

There are so many unsolved murders here in Alberta.  Why don't they put their "talents" to good use, and start doing some investigative reporting on them?

Watch CBC National tv if you can- police to give an update on events sometime this afternoon.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 08, 2014, 11:48:26 AM
Also in the article above it seems to show how the poi's family have been followed by press. His sister and family aren't answering phones, have had to take down their FB profiles and haven't gone to work. This relentless hounding by press is really quite unnecessary as this younger sister is not responsible for her brothers problems and actions. If the poi is truly responsible, this is going to be devastating enough for all the families combined. Why do the press need to know all those details? It's not as if they are going to solve the case, and may even hinder police investigations. jmho

I agree with what you've said SAP.

I had been giving much thought to an article that I, myself, posted last evening, about the person that was taken into cusody and questioned in regard this case. After reading it over a number of times I felt that is was in bad taste that I posted it. I have removed it, as I do not want to cause anymore strife for this family than they are already going through.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 08, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
http://globalnews.ca/news/1438148/missing-family-search-of-rural-home-enters-fourth-day/

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but from the article:
Quote
His parents own the land, and Global News has learned that Alvin Liknes’ son is married to Garland’s sister. A family member says Liknes and Garland also had a falling out several years ago, after a business deal ended badly.

This deepens the plot significantly.




Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 11:58:22 AM
Thanks JB and Debbie. Debbie, that article you had posted was really quite innocuous imo, especially in light of more recent articles.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 08, 2014, 12:18:40 PM
Thanks JB and Debbie. Debbie, that article you had posted was really quite innocuous imo, especially in light of more recent articles.

Yes it was SAP. In the end, the article I posted really had nothing to do with the three missing. I also know that the person has not been named a suspect by LE. There are worse articles out there, and worse that will likely be posted. As has already been mentioned above, the press is going too far in some instances here. Those of us who have been around this board for any length of time have seen this time and again. Media will go to any length to get their story and they are in the business of selling newspapers. In this case we have learned there is a connection between the person taken in for questioning and the missing, so some of the negative press is reflecting on victims.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 12:55:34 PM
And sadly there are lots of victims. New victims appearing every day via the press. :'(

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 08, 2014, 01:13:28 PM
In regards to the press:
-sometimes there are leaks from LE (sometimes strategy and sometimes not)
-when there is nothing new to report from LE end, it leaves the media grappling for anything
-are the police orchestrating this?

Are they baiting and waiting???

If there is an accomplice~who could it possibly be? I have an idea, but I will see how this unfolds.

Thanks JB on the heads up on this afternoon's update on CBC - National
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
The family of Nathan have been co-operating, that is, taking the police through the house and sharing info. I don't think the police had to bait and wait there.
The ever hungry Press has been digging among family, relatives, friends and neighbors. Can the Press even begin to imagine what a devastating blow it is, for example, the sister of the poi who is married to the son of a missing man and there is presumed (evidence of injury) violence stated? Can they even imagine how the elderly couple are feeling, whose land is being searched and the neighbors are flooded by reporters for a juicy story? I hope they have strong hearts and someone to give them comfort as they are not to blame either. I don't think police would bring such hardship onto people who are already suffering. The Press are vultures and they have let alot slip that the general population has no need knowing. The poi's sister lives over 400 miles from the scene and had a family life in a small community. Think of how this is affecting them and they are victims too.
Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 08, 2014, 05:02:34 PM
After watching the CTV news about a half an hour ago, it was stated that one of the daughter's of the Liknes family had lived common-law with Mr. Garland. Also the police made comments that they are hopeful the family is going to be found alive. Now all of this is all new news at this time, never heard any of it before. So let us all pray that this is the outcome, that everyone is alive.  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 07:28:42 PM
If anything positive can be said, for some reason the police are still hopeful that they may still be alive.

They did say in the press conference that no stone will be left unturned, and that they are looking at other avenues, as well as the questioning of the poi.

It is not looking well for this poi. He has a truck that looks like the one at the scene - he has a criminal background, and he had a falling out with Mr. L many years ago.

However, the police still want to speak to people who went to that estate sale. Last count only 70 people showed up at the community centre out of the 2 to 300 who were at the sale. The cops still want to pursue this avenue as well.

My thoughts are, on a long shot if this family  were taken for ransom by someone else, would they take a chance and send a ransom note while this incident is  under intense police investigation? As well, there are  millions of  eyes of the public watching.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 08, 2014, 07:58:05 PM
Trying to think like a criminal, I wouldn't chance a ransom note now with such heavy police presence.

What worries me is that police saw enough at the house to make note that at least one of the trio needed medical attention immediately. They need food and water and at least one likely needs blood products. They can't go to any hospital in any other province due to the attention this has gotten. Perhaps hospitals south of the border should be checked. Most Americans don't pay attention to what happens here crime wise, really, however I did notice this case was already in a New York newspaper. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
Yes, this would be a real problem (asking for ransom) Yes, the family would have to be fed, kept out sight, and someone would need medical attention.

The borders were alerted - and I think it was around the time when the amber alert was sent out.

So, I can't see the abductor(s) getting through  the border.

Besides, these families are not millionaires - so what would be the chance of asking for any significant amount? An awful lot of work, trouble and great risk.  Logically speaking, if they are being held somewhere, any attempt for a transaction to take place may well be frozen. Unable to make any move.
So, I wonder what the police may know when they think there is still hope that they are alive.

SEE ARTICLE BELOW.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-police-looking-at-several-leads-in-case-of-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1904513

SNIPPET

Calgary police looking at several leads in case of missing boy, grandparents

Last Updated Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:31PM EDT 


Calgary police say they are pursuing “other investigative leads” in the case of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents, after a “person of interest” was questioned over the weekend.

Police spokesperson Kevin Brookwell didn’t divulge details, but he told reporters Tuesday that investigators are optimistic that Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, will be found alive.

The man identified as a “person of interest” in the case, Douglas Garland, was questioned over the weekend. He has not been charged in connection with the disappearances, but he was arrested on an unrelated identity theft charge
After Brookwell suggested Tuesday that Garland was not the only person of interest in the investigation, he clarified that police are following up on “other investigative leads.”


JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 08, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
Is it just speculation that many people went through the house? Maybe it was a lot less, then indicated by LE. I have read 200, and some places 300. I wonder if they think that many came through because that is how many items were sold??? Where was this total derived from? Did they diarize their items?

Nothing has been said about the money. Was it still there, or was it taken??? Now if it was taken it was a robbery gone bad, but if it was still on the premises- they were targeted. IMO (but they may have taken the money to make it look like a robbery) -after thought

I cannot remember is their video surveillance at the border? I think there is...too risky to go that way.

What about AMA cameras? I wonder if they keep their data?

Now the perp(s) may have gassed up close by...or bought pop, cigarettes, Candy bars, or coffee while waiting. I wonder if those surveillance cameras can help police.

Just throwing stuff out there!

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 08, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
I imagine it was quite a nightmare to take prints or DNA from the house after 200 people went through.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 09, 2014, 01:42:42 AM
I watched the news release, again...

I noticed the detective said something along the lines that the families were devastated by their "loss".
Did he inadvertently tell us, they are deceased?

"Loss" = "Deceased"

I noticed a contradiction when he talked about following up on other leads..listen to what he says in a softer voice.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on July 09, 2014, 09:10:50 AM
I have been refraining from posting anything on this case since I keep hearing things from all angles, but I will share two things I believe to be the truth, based on what LE have found:

1) Re: signs of being dragged- I'm sorry but I think at least one of them, if not deceased at the time of the disappearance, is almost certainly deceased by now.  Too much time has passed if that person has been in medical distress all this time.

2) Based on the bits and pieces (and what is being skirted around in the news and NOT being said) I think there is much more going on with the grandparents' plan to move to Mexico.  Yes, I understand that they may have just wanted to become snowbirds as it were and leave the Canadian winters behind them in their retirement plans, but I have to ask (since no one else has yet): Why the need to go and live in Edmonton first?  It just doesn't make sense, considering they own their own home here.  It's not as if a lease of some kind is coming to an end and they need a temporary accommodation.  I wonder how long they intended to be in Edmonton before heading to Mexico.  And why would they be going further north?  It's easier to move to Mexico from Calgary, not to mention a lot cheaper.  Also, I was under the impression that it's not that easy to just buy a house in a different country, even one that is considered to have more laxed laws.  Renting, sure, but did they plan to buy? 

While I am on the subject, more questions to be mulled over:

- Does anyone know if they already had a place lined up in Mexico?  Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense to have an estate sale until that detail has been taken care of.
- Again, why Edmonton first?
- The estate sale itself- were they just downsizing or selling pretty much everything they owned?  There is a big difference.  And if it's the latter, why on earth were they getting rid of so much stuff?  Were they going to fly to Mexico, or drive?  That makes a difference in terms of what can be brought.

Ever since this story broke, all I could think about was the possibility that these grandparents got caught up in something shady to do with owing money, however unknown that might have been to them.  Of course, this is speculation on my part, but I am inclined to think that someone was trying to collect a debt.
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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 09:21:58 AM
Cana-Nomad
I have been wondering along similar lines.  To clarify one thing - they sold their home in Dec 13, but were allowed to live in it.  Perhaps until they could move forward with their Plans? They were looking forward to it, and were happy with their plans.

Why sell everything?  Good question - why not move everything to Edmonton? It has been stated many times in the press that they bought a home in Edmonton, and planned on taking a trip to Mexico. (Yes there was an original report that they planned on moving to Mexico) So who knows where the truth lies?

In reviewing what the police said in their last news conference, it was stated that G was their only person of interest, but  they are following other investigative leads.  Big difference.

Where did these leads come from - it could be neighbours, or even from G himself?

I wonder if they brought someone in the family, of whom he is /or was close to - to talk to him, if that would help?

JB
He is a most unusual "criminal" - instead of setting up meth labs and making money in the drug industry in Vancouver, or holding up banks etc., he faked his ID, and went out and LOOKED FOR HONEST WORK - landed jobs!  :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 09, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
Cana...I believe that, too.

I think someone came to collect.

I am not sure where I read it, but I read they had a place purchased already in Mexico.
The Edmonton connection, through me off a bit, too. If they were in retirement mode, why would they be moving so far away from their grandbabies???

If they were going to be snowbirds, they wouldn't be leaving now, or in a months time. Snowbirds normally leave after Cdn. Thanksgiving. Again, I read somewhere, they were just going to live there year round. Whether what I have read is 100% true, I do not know.

Now JB, you read they purchased a home in Edmonton, and I read they purchased a place in Mexico. Where is all this money coming from??? When the house in Calgary sold below market value....???

What throws me a curve, is the mentioning in many sites, of the Amber Alert advising with the description of the grandfather with Nathan, but very little mention about the grandmother.  Maybe there was something at the house that showed the grandmother was the one in distress.???
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 09:55:53 AM
 
Timeline

Here’s a timeline of events in the investigation, with links to more information.


June 30 - Disappearance of Calgary boy, 5, grandparents being treated as 'suspicious'

Police issue an Amber Alert for five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his maternal grandparents Kathryn Faye Liknes, 53, and Alvin Cecil Liknes, 66.

The trio went missing over the weekend as the grandparents held an estate sale at their home.

Police say they didn’t initially issue an Amber Alert because they didn’t have a description of a suspected abductor or a vehicle, but then changed their minds.

“We have no information to go on at this time, and that’s the reason we’re reaching out to the public,” says police spokesman Kevin Brookwell.



July 1 - Calgary police: Missing boy, grandparents 'did not leave on their own volition'

Police say they’re concerned for the safety of Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, and fear that “foul play” was involved in their disappearance.

Calgary police spokesman Duty Insp. Keith Cain says the grandparents’ house showed signs they “did not leave on their own volition.”



July 2 - Missing Calgary boy's family issues emotional plea for their 'superhero'

The parents of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien issue a public plea for the return of their son and the boy’s maternal grandparents Kathryn Faye Liknes and Alvin Cecil Liknes.

Rod O’Brien, Nathan’s father, asks that “whoever has Nathan, to find it in your heart to drop off our little angel … to where he can be rescued and reunited with his family.”


July 3 - Calgary police 'confident' they'll find missing boy, grandparents

Police Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus says the grandparents were in the process of moving out of their Calgary home, and held an estate sale the same weekend they went missing.

Investigators appeal to anyone who attended the estate sale on June 28-29 to speak to police.


Jul 4 - 'Violent incident' took place at Calgary home in missing family case

Police confirm a “violence incident” took place in the southwest Calgary home where grandparents Kathryn Faye Liknes and Alvin Cecil Liknes were with five-year-old Nathan O’Brien.

In a chilling remark, Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus says evidence at the scene indicates someone would be in “medical distress.”

Police also say they want to speak to the driver of a green truck captured on surveillance video.


July 7 - Who is Douglas Garland, 'person of interest' in Calgary Amber Alert case?

More details emerge on Douglas Garland, described by police as a “person of interest” in the case.

On July 7, Garland appears in court on unrelated charges stemming from his use of a false identity in the 1990s, when he lived in British Columbia.


July 8 - Several different leads in Amber Alert case: Calgary police

Calgary police spokesman Kevin Brookwell confirms Douglas Garland’s sister is in a relationship with a member of the Liknes family.

Broowell also says Garland isn’t the only “person of interest” in the case.

Investigators hold out hope that Nathan O’Brien, Kathryn Faye Liknes and Alvin Cecil Liknes will be found alive, and an Amber Alert remains in effect.

With files from CTV Calgary's Bill Macfarlane


http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/map-and-timeline-calgary-amber-alert-case-1.1904896
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 10:27:07 AM
Here is another article from ctv on the same police conference.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-police-looking-at-several-leads-in-case-of-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1904513

Calgary police say they are pursuing “other investigative leads” in the case of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents, after a “person of interest” was questioned over the weekend.

Police spokesperson Kevin Brookwell didn’t divulge details, but he told reporters Tuesday that investigators are optimistic that Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, will be found alive.

and quote:

After Brookwell suggested Tuesday that Garland was not the only person of interest in the investigation, he clarified that police are following up on “other investigative leads.”


So I take that to mean that he clarified his statement? Or corrected his statement?

And that other investigative leads followed after the person of interest was interviewed on the weekend?

Confusing to me!!

JB


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
JB, this following is what got me too. It would almost sound as though the poi being questioned gave up some info, imo.

Quote
Calgary police say they are pursuing “other investigative leads” in the case of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents, after a “person of interest” was questioned over the weekend.

Cana-Nomad

Mr. Liknes has a twin brother, a son, and other relatives in the Edmonton area. I was thinking if they planned to move to Mexico, they may have wanted to spend more time with the relatives in this area before leaving the country.
If they bought a house in Edmonton, and their present household furniture was "dated" according to a source who was at the sale, perhaps they were planning to buy new. A lot of people do that when buying a new house.
Also the discrepancies about buying in Mexico vs Edmonton ... the source was a person who attended the sale and given directly to media, that supposedly Mrs. Liknes said that. 3rd hand information ... how accurate is that?   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on July 09, 2014, 11:26:52 AM

Now JB, you read they purchased a home in Edmonton, and I read they purchased a place in Mexico. Where is all this money coming from??? When the house in Calgary sold below market value....???

What throws me a curve, is the mentioning in many sites, of the Amber Alert advising with the description of the grandfather with Nathan, but very little mention about the grandmother.  Maybe there was something at the house that showed the grandmother was the one in distress.???

I had thought the grandfather was involved in oil and gas, which would make them wealthy in Alberta.  That being said, that is still a lot of money.  I wonder if a former colleague or a financial adviser had something to do with this?  Maybe even blackmail over a falling out of some kind?

Also, interesting about the grandmother.  I never noticed that until now.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 12:05:26 PM
Quote
Also the discrepancies about buying in Mexico vs Edmonton ... the source was a person who attended the sale and given directly to media, that supposedly Mrs. Liknes said that. 3rd hand information ... how accurate is that?

 
There is much that has been said by people who may not even be in the know. It is then quoted by media as if it is 'fact'. A statement that was apparently made by Mrs. Liknes to someone who attended the sale, and then repeated to media (3rd hand information) really amounts to gossip. When '(apparent) information' is passed this way, from person to person, it can become very convoluted. It would be different if I heard the Liknes's daughter and son in law, or LE mention it in an interview.

When posting information in regard the Liknes's personal life please include the link or complete quote, from an article. That way those reading, can view it and consider the source. It also helps keep things on track.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 12:21:40 PM
Quote
Also the discrepancies about buying in Mexico vs Edmonton ... the source was a person who attended the sale and given directly to media, that supposedly Mrs. Liknes said that. 3rd hand information ... how accurate is that?

 
There is much that has been said by people who may not even be in the know. It is then quoted by media as if it is 'fact'. A statement that was apparently made by Mrs. Liknes to someone who attended the sale, and then repeated to media (3rd hand information) really amounts to gossip. When '(apparent) information' is passed this way, from person to person, it can become very convoluted. It would be different if I heard the Liknes's daughter and son in law, or LE mention it in an interview.

When posting information in regard the Liknes's personal life please include the link or complete quote, from an article. That way those reading, can view it and consider the source. It also helps keep things on track.

I agree Debbie. I have found often that people want to insert themselves for some reason and often give erroneous statements.

I guess I also did give personal info above and I will try and find the link ... regarding Alvin Liknes' family in the Edmonton area. It's all over the net but I will insert when I find it.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 12:37:37 PM
This may take some focus off DG.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1090237/amber-alert-missing-calgary-mans-company-went-bankrupt-weeks-before-disappearance/
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 12:52:38 PM
Thanks SAP for the article.  This puts things into a different perspective doesn't it?


JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 12:58:27 PM
Metro was the first to break the news on Mr. L and his last business.  Now we will see how other news media treats it, and puts their spin on it. :(

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 01:07:35 PM
I tend to be partial to Globe and Mail, the national news source. IMO they may be one of the few who check sources before running to press.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-expected-to-offer-reward-for-missing-boy-grandparents/article19420477/

Excerpt:

Quote
The Likneses were having an estate sale at their home in Calgary’s southwest. They sold the home last year and were leasing it back. They planned to go to Edmonton for about three months, then Mazatlan, Mexico, and back to Edmonton, where they bought a house, a family member said at the news conference.

Now this sounds more reliable as coming from a family member than some stranger who had been at the sale and was gushing at the mouth to get in the limelight of being interviewed by press. Sorry to put it this way, but local media  have gotten on my last nerve with their tidbits. The quote above also sounds reasonable imo.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 01:19:15 PM
It sounds reasonable and the information initially comes from a credible source (said by a family member at the news conference).
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on July 09, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
This may take some focus off DG.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1090237/amber-alert-missing-calgary-mans-company-went-bankrupt-weeks-before-disappearance/

Looks like our suspicions re: disgruntled former employees/debt collectors are correct.  I wonder if Garland represented himself as some sort of investor/advisor?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 01:30:18 PM
JB, this following is what got me too. It would almost sound as though the poi being questioned gave up some info, imo.

Quote
Calgary police say they are pursuing “other investigative leads” in the case of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents, after a “person of interest” was questioned over the weekend.


Exactly!! Perhaps Mr. G gave le the other investigative leads - that is how I read it!

Cana-Nomad:  Mr. G was known to Mr. L so he could not of passed himself off for anything with them.

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
Perhaps the area which used to be owned by Winter Petroleum should also be checked.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 01:43:05 PM
This may take some focus off DG.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1090237/amber-alert-missing-calgary-mans-company-went-bankrupt-weeks-before-disappearance/

Looks like our suspicions re: disgruntled former employees/debt collectors are correct.  I wonder if Garland represented himself as some sort of investor/advisor?

I'm trying to stay neutral especially after all the differing news articles. I have been reading extensively online although I have not posted every link I have read. According to links someone left a few pages back, Mr. Garland was not in any recent dealings with Mr. Liknes and his company. He was involved several years back apparently iirc. The recent company going broke, it is also stated in there that all the employees got paid out however sub contractors may not have been paid.
If one only reads comments posted, there are many where it starts out as " I have heard" this or that. That's where stories take a turn way off path often.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 09, 2014, 02:12:07 PM
 (quote)After watching the CTV news about a half an hour ago, it was stated that one of the daughter's of the Liknes family had lived common-law with Mr. Garland. Also the police made comments that they are hopeful the family is going to be found alive. Now all of this is all new news at this time, never heard any of it before. So let us all pray that this is the outcome, that everyone is alive.  :o :o :o :o (end of quote)
 This was a report that was on last evening. Now they have stated that the familiy knew Garland's. That there is a connection with a marriage there and they knew each other. But last night it stated that it was a daughter that was living with Garland. But they cleared that up and I'm afraid to state what they had said on the news today.  But the connection is there, a nephew of somebody is married, but unclear of on whose side of the family. Now they are looking in dumps around Calgary. This is unusual, after being so upbeat last night and saying they thought they were alive.  (something happened to my quote button). Hopefully some answers soon. Has to be devastating for the family. Over a week now and no answers. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/police-search-calgary-dump-in-connection-with-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1906240
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 09, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
 From the globe and mail.

Calgary police have obtained surveillance footage and received tips that have allowed them to advance their investigation into a missing five-year-old and his grandparents.

Police have collected videotape from businesses and neighbours near the Calgary home where the trio went missing. They will not say whether suspects are on the video, but Staff Sergeant Doug Andrus said the CCTV footage has proven useful.

“We’ve had good information and it has assisted us with advancing this investigation,” he told reporters Thursday. The police have “no suspects that we can name … but we have information that’s allowed us to move forward with this investigation.” He added: “Are we closer than yesterday? I would say we are.”

Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents Alvin Cecil Liknes and Kathryn Faye Liknes disappeared under suspicious circumstances earlier this week. An Amber Alert is still in effect for Nathan, and his grandparents are not suspects. His parents say he is likely not old enough to know his phone number or address.

The Liknes couple was hosting a well-advertised estate sale Sunday, and Nathan was at their home in Calgary’s southwest for a sleepover that night. His mother left him there around 10 p.m., and when she returned to collect him about 10 a.m. Monday morning, he and her parents were gone.

Zoong Nguyen attended the sale. She did not see anything of value, and confirmed the Liknes couple appeared to be selling everything.

“The furniture was old,” she said. “They were still using it.”

The items appeared to be from the 1980s, she said, and the interior of the home had not been renovated. She did not see Nathan at the sale, although family members said he was there, badgering his grandparents to say “thank you” to people who purchased items.

Staff Sgt. Andrus said 200 to 300 people may have attended the estate sale. Police dusted for fingerprints and are trying to compile a list of what was sold against what is missing from the home. They are asking citizens who attended the sale to bring photos of the items they purchased to the Parkhill Stanley Park Community Hall in southwest Calgary, and are also asking for fingerprints from these people.

About 20 to 30 people came to the centre by Thursday afternoon, Staff Sgt. Andrus said.

The Liknes home was found in a manner inconsistent with their habits, police said. The homicide unit is investigating, although police hope to find the trio alive. About 40 officers were on the case Thursday, Staff Sgt. Andrus said. Police have expanded their door-knocking effort, he said, and have reached out to the Canada Border Services Agency, which can alert airports for missing people, as well as “partnering agencies” in the United States.

Jennifer and Rob O’Brien, Nathan’s parents, made a public plea on Wednesday for information and the safe return of their family members.

Mr. and Ms. O’Brien both work at Cenovus Energy Inc., an oil sands company, in Calgary. A company spokesperson said the couple’s co-workers are “very affected by this and hoping for the best.”

Ms. Liknes worked as a realtor before starting Website Marketing Inc. Mr. Liknes had been involved in several business ventures, one of which was reported to have gone bankrupt.

The Liknes couple sold their Calgary home about a year ago, leased it back, and were about to go to visit Edmonton and then Mexico. They planned to then move to Edmonton, where they already had purchased a home, family members said. Staff Sgt. Andrus would not say whether the grandparents have cellphones they can track.

Nathan is three feet tall with blond curly hair and brown eyes and was last seen in peach shorts and a striped blue hoodie.

Mr. Liknes, 66, is about six feet tall, weighs 200 pounds and has grey-blond hair. Ms. Liknes, 53, is 5-foot-3, about 120 pounds, with red-brown hair and green eyes.

With a report from Allan Maki

          
       
 
       
       
       
       
     
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 09, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
Well it still doesn't explain Garland's truck in the area, so did someone else have his truck??? And what about the SUV that was stuck in the mud on the property???
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 03:00:33 PM
Copy of above post.


from SAP:
Quote
Also the discrepancies about buying in Mexico vs Edmonton ... the source was a person who attended the sale and given directly to media, that supposedly Mrs. Liknes said that. 3rd hand information ... how accurate is that?

 
There is much that has been said by people who may not even be in the know. It is then quoted by media as if it is 'fact'. A statement that was apparently made by Mrs. Liknes to someone who attended the sale, and then repeated to media (3rd hand information) really amounts to gossip. When '(apparent) information' is passed this way, from person to person, it can become very convoluted. It would be different if I heard the Liknes's daughter and son in law, or LE mention it in an interview.

When posting information in regard the Liknes's personal life please include the link or complete quote, from an article. That way those reading, can view it and consider the source. It also helps keep things on track. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 09, 2014, 03:39:44 PM
Cana- in Alberta it does not necessarily say you are rich because you are in gas and oil. Bankruptcies happen a lot, in the industry.

Sap - thank you for the Metro article! A theory that has been leaning heavy on my mind. As being in the financial world as my career, I do understand the dynamics that come into play in bankruptcies. Plus, thank you for the CTV article, too.

Cape - in regards to the Ford F150 green truck: I read that the back window was different from the one that is in the photo captured on video surveillance. (WebSlueths) Plus a man on another site, who claims he saw the truck, driving towards Airdrie, says the driver did not look like the POI. After he saw the court drawing of DG. (CalgaryPuck Forum)

Gossiping is not a trait I like, so I will mention the resource.  I am not proficient at copy and paste, so you will have to go there to read it. Sorry. I have to play with my iPad more! :)  I hope that's works for you Debbie. :)

I just wonder is there special dumps for the oil and gas industry waste around Calgary?  Most larger companies have their own, smaller ones like "Winter" have to take their industrial waste somewhere.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
http://globalnews.ca/news/1441283/ems-and-firefighters-join-police-as-search-for-missing-family-continues/

Police focus on Calgary landfill, as search for missing family continues

On Wednesday, police began to search the Spy Hill Landfill in northwest Calgary. Sources tell Global News that they do not have any specific information that led them there, but they are looking through the waste as a precaution.

Police and RCMP have been searching a rural acreage north of Calgary for five straight days, after seizing a Ford 150 which matched the description of a vehicle caught on CCTV near the Liknes’ home on the night they disappeared. 54-year-old Douglas Garland lives on the property, and has been named as a person of interest in the case.

He will be released from custody on Friday, as long as he provides an address where he will be living.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
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Gossiping is not a trait I like, so I will mention the resource.  I am not proficient at copy and paste, so you will have to go there to read it. Sorry. I have to play with my iPad more!   I hope that's works for you Debbie.

Thank you Baba. I appreciate your effort. I realize that not all are proficient at copy and paste, posting links, etc. That is understandable, and it is fine with me if you mention the resource.

Having said that, I will add that posts written on other websites, blogs, etc., would also be considered hearsay to us (just as  posts written here, would be hearsay on other sites), as we don't know if the information posted there is from a credible source. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 09, 2014, 05:04:20 PM
Baba, did not realize that there was a difference in the truck and the photo. Of course, there would be DNA and forensics gone over the truck also. I just hope they are not letting this man go too far. I also wonder if there have been any Psychic Detectives contacted. There are credible people that do that. I believe they should be contacted, especially if there is a possiblity they are alive. Some do not believe in this type of information, but I do. Time is sure slipping by and now the only POI is going to be released. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 05:16:20 PM
The statement in regard the truck and the photo was posted on another website. We have no way of knowing where that information came from, or whether it is simply someone's personal opinion after having viewed the photo.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 09, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
Wasn't Garland's truck towed away for forensic studies? That is usually what police do and it's usually not a quick return either. A poster at WS looked at a video and saw an older, not so well kept truck there and claimed it doesn't look like the truck in the video. I'm sorry but that is not fact; it's speculation at this point.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 09, 2014, 06:51:23 PM
Cape, you are right, they should use all the resources they can get. Could that be one in one of the police pictures? The one with the long grey shirt???

Thanks, Debbie. :)
I will make a note, that the source  is information not verified yet, if I come across it again.

The truck info about the window not matching came from another forum. It has yet to be verified by LE. It would not have come from me...lol...I have to say when my hubby asks me what kind of vehicle to buy...my response, "a blue one." So, definitely, I would not have spotted that window being different. Despite that, forensics will verify if it is or isn't.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on July 09, 2014, 07:55:31 PM
JB, this following is what got me too. It would almost sound as though the poi being questioned gave up some info, imo.

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Calgary police say they are pursuing “other investigative leads” in the case of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents, after a “person of interest” was questioned over the weekend.


Exactly!! Perhaps Mr. G gave le the other investigative leads - that is how I read it!

Cana-Nomad:  Mr. G was known to Mr. L so he could not of passed himself off for anything with them.

jb

Maybe.  But i thought Garland was using a fake ID.  So did Mr. Liknes really know him or did he know a persona Garland was only claiming to be?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 09, 2014, 08:45:03 PM
No, he knew him as Douglas Garland. Doug's sister is in a relationship with Alvin Liknes son.

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 09, 2014, 09:53:56 PM
All those years Mr. Garland was living in BC, and not one family member reported his whereabouts to police?  The family ties that bind.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 09, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
Edited and re-posted for clarity.

Wasn't Garland's truck towed away for forensic studies? That is usually what police do and it's usually not a quick return either. A poster at WS looked at a video and saw an older, not so well kept truck there and claimed it doesn't look like the truck in the video. I'm sorry but that is not fact; it's speculation at this point.

Information posted here from other websites still requires some type of back up to make it credible. Without that, it is really just someone else's opinion. If someone mentions having read something that was posted on another website it would be appropriate to say that the information has not been substantiated (unless you can find a link to back up the information). We no longer allow paste and copy from other forums/blogs, as in the past it just caused too many problems with unsubstantiated information. In this case the statement in regard the truck appears to be personal opinion only.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 10, 2014, 02:15:50 AM
Pictures of the Liknes's: Alvin and Kathryn pictures, where are they from? Are they passport photos, if they are they are of really bad quality. They just look kinda weird...see the shadows, no smiles, kinda of like a driver's licence photo...expressionless.

You would think the family would have a better photo of Alvin and Kathryn.

I noticed this a while back, I thought it looked like a mug shot, without them holding a number.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 02:37:35 AM
All those years Mr. Garland was living in BC, and not one family member reported his whereabouts to police?  The family ties that bind.

They may not have known where he was - nor cared.  As has been reported in press, he could not get bail until he could give the court an address as to where he will be residing.  I got the impression that he was having difficulty in giving one!! :)

jb

**edited to fix quote
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 02:59:43 AM
http://o.canada.com/news/national/blatchford-douglas-garland-person-of-interest-in-calgary-disappearance-of-boy-and-grandparents-had-troubled-history-with-law-and-mental-health-concerns-documents-reveal

Christie Blatchford
July 8, 2014

The man deemed a “person of interest” in the weeklong disappearance of a little Calgary boy and his grandparents has had sporadic but persistent trouble with authority for much of his life.

Documents from June of 2000 were released Tuesday by the Parole Board of Canada (formerly the National Parole Board) about Douglas Robert Garland, who was then serving time for narcotics offences stemming from a drug lab bust on his parents’ acreage in rural Airdrie, near Calgary, eight years earlier.

Under an “accelerated parole review” program, which no longer exists, Garland was eligible for parole after serving just a sixth of his 39-month sentence.

It appears he was released some time after the June 19, 2000 decision and a follow-up one in October that year.

But the documents also refer to several criminal charges for violence Garland once faced, a two-decades long record for property offences and ongoing “mental health concerns.”

The decisions note that one charge for possession of a prohibited weapon was dismissed in 1988, another withdrawn in 1999, while an assault charge was stayed in 1989.

Now 54, Garland was taken in for questioning Saturday after Calgary police received information that there was a green truck — similar to one seen driving near the residence where five-year-old Nathan O’Brien was staying with grandparents Alvin and Kathryn Liknes when they all vanished — spotted on the Airdrie acreage about an hour north of Calgary.

Garland remains in custody on charges unrelated to the disappearance of the trio — allegedly possessing identification in the name of 14-year-old Matthew Kemper Hartley. He is due back in court Wednesday.

It’s the same name of the real but tragically long-dead teenager whose identity Garland had assumed while he was on the lam on the drug charges.

The teen, and his 12-year-old sister Jill Lorene Hartley, were killed in a car crash in 1980 outside Cardston, Alta.

Garland had been using and working under the name during his almost seven years on the run from police.

Busted on Oct. 23, 1992 on his parents’ acreage, where police found a sophisticated drug lab with a vast supply of chemicals used in the manufacture of methamphetamines — albeit no actual finished drugs — Garland made one court appearance on drug-trafficking charges, then vanished.

He was belatedly tracked down — in Richmond, B.C., where he had also been arrested in connection with a stolen tractor-trailer — in 1999 only after Calgary RCMP put him on its most wanted list on the web.

He pleaded guilty to two drug-trafficking charges in January of 2000 and was sentenced to 39 months in jail, though in fact, because of the accelerated release program, he appears to have served only between six and 10 months.

Despite what the board described as “weapons and assault charges” that might indicate Garland, then 40, could commit a violent offence, it concluded his age, the fact he’d never been convicted for violence and a psychological assessment that found he had little potential for violence offset that.

Board members were concerned by his “20-plus years” of property offences and contributing “mental issues,” but concluded, “Your mental health is assessed as having stabilized and with close monitoring” by a psychiatrist and psychologist until what’s called his “warrant expiry date” in October of 2003, he was deemed a manageable risk.
A Postmedia News story from the drugs trial noted that the meth cook, as drug makers are called, had studied science at the University of Alberta but was expelled after being caught cheating.

A university spokesman Tuesday said she couldn’t confirm that sort of detail because of confidentiality concerns.

In the only other public decision readily available about Garland — a 2005 Tax Court of Canada decision that saw him win the right to unemployment benefits despite having worked under the dead teen’s name — he is also described as troubled.

The judge in that case, which saw the government try to deny him benefits because he used a false identity and social insurance number, described him as intelligent but suffering from attention-deficit disorder and prone to breakdowns.

According to what Judge Campbell Miller heard, Garland suffered a breakdown while at the University of Alberta, and “also seems to have been traumatized by causing what he described as a horrific accident due to falling asleep at the wheel.”

Yet some who knew Garland in those days say they never heard of him being involved in such an accident.

While on the run in British Columbia, the judge wrote, Garland applied and got a job at a company called Can Test, where he supervised 30 other employees.

But, Judge Miller wrote in his March 3, 2005 decision, Garland found “he was unable to cope, and he suffered another breakdown in late 1997.”

He was dismissed in October that year, “considered a wrongful dismissal suit,” but found part-time work with the B.C. Institute of Technology.

Judge Miller was aware of his trafficking convictions and his time in jail.

“I am mindful of Mr. Garland’s state of health,” he wrote. “His attention deficit disorder contributed to some muddled thinking. His reliance on the false SIN was to escape the reach of the RCMP. As he acknowledged, it was not a bright idea.”

In ruling in Garland’s favour, Judge Miller said, “This troubled man should not be precluded from receiving benefits from a program into which he and his employers paid…”

Still, it’s an interesting mix of personality characteristics. Garland appears to have a well-honed sense of entitlement: He’s a man, after all, who used a dead teen’s identity to get a job but nonetheless considered filing a wrongful dismissal suit when he was fired, and who, having served time, still had the chutzpah to fight for EI benefits and successfully represented himself in court.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 10, 2014, 09:06:07 AM
Listening to CTV news this a.m. when I got up, the report was that the investigation in searching the landfills is not because of any particular tip given to the police, that was stated on the news about a half hour ago. So I think they are grasping at straws. They are asking persons to look on their property for anything unusual. So it just seems like there is no information as to where these three people are. I feel so badly for the parents of Nathan and the thought of losing all these family members to an act of violence. Prayers that new information comes up and they are found safe.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 10, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
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Pictures of the Liknes's: Alvin and Kathryn pictures, where are they from? Are they passport photos, if they are they are of really bad quality. They just look kinda weird...see the shadows, no smiles, kinda of like a driver's licence photo...expressionless.

I suppose the pictures that we keep seeing could be drivers licence or passport photos. They have that look. I've posted a few pictures below that are a bit more natural looking.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 11:15:58 AM
Listening to CTV news this a.m. when I got up, the report was that the investigation in searching the landfills is not because of any particular tip given to the police, that was stated on the news about a half hour ago. So I think they are grasping at straws. They are asking persons to look on their property for anything unusual. So it just seems like there is no information as to where these three people are. I feel so badly for the parents of Nathan and the thought of losing all these family members to an act of violence. Prayers that new information comes up and they are found safe.  :o :o :o :o :o

It is "Big Country" lots of open spaces as far as the eye can see, with woodlots here and there.  I know that you have lived in Calgary in the past Cape, so you would be familiar what the surrounding landscape looks like.

While law enforcement have pulled out all of the stops, I wonder if they will ever be found.

The only hope is if someone talks.  At this point, it does not seem to be the case.

JB

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 11:29:49 AM

HERE IS PART OF THE ARTICLE:
Investigators delving into Alvin Liknes business dealings in bid to find him, his wife and his grandson
 
Posted by EHAds On July 10, 2014 0 Comment

CALGARY — The former head office of Winter Petroleum Ltd. sits on the second floor of a Calgary strip mall: the office is now dark, the desks barren, the door locked.

This was apparently Alvin Liknes’ company. The property manager said she often saw Mr. Liknes around the building: he was a good man, she said, and the company always paid its rent on time.

The space was cleared out sometime around June 29 — on the same weekend Mr. Liknes disappeared from his home, along with his wife, Kathryn, and five-year-old grandson, Nathan O’Brien, according to the property manager.

The trio’s apparent abduction remains a mystery. Investigators are delving into the Likneses’ business dealings as they try to disentangle the mystery of the trio’s disappearance.

Police have probed a farm north of Calgary since Saturday, and on Wednesday expanded the search to the Spyhill Landfill northwest of the city. One man, Douglas Garland, remains in custody, although he has not been charged with the disappearance.

According to a police source in the Calgary Herald, Mr. Liknes and Mr. Garland also had a fight over a business deal dating back several years.

The Likneses, both of whom had previously declared bankruptcy, have a long history in real estate and the junior oil and gas industry in Calgary: the Post has found Alvin Liknes is linked to at least four separate companies.

Although Mr. Liknes was not listed as a director for Winter Petroleum, an employee told Calgary Metro that the oil and gas entrepreneur led Winter prior to its recent declaration of bankruptcy. A phone number listed under Winter Petroleum still cuts directly to Mr. Liknes’s voicemail.

“This is very unfortunate, looks like [a] tragic event,” Marek Kozera told Metro. “I really hope this has nothing to do with Winter.”

Another of the companies Mr. Liknes is linked to, Blue Sky Oil and Gas Corp. was registered in Nevada in 2008. A press release said it was involved with natural gas production.

According to U.S. Security and Exchange Commission filings, in 2008, Blue Sky was in merger discussions with a Florida company called Whitemark Homes Inc.

Beset by the housing crash, Whitemark proposed to take up resource development: one of the businessmen involved with that deal was a Sarasota, Fla.-area real estate developer with close ties to a man who was sentenced to three years in federal prison in 2012 for masterminding a large house-flipping fraud in the state.

The State of Nevada’s last file on Blue Sky dates to 2010, and the company’s business licence has since been revoked.

Calgary Police have declined to comment on the Likneses’ businesses. Mr. Liknes’s colleagues remain skeptical that his business has any connection to the disappearance.

Bruce Carson, who is a registered director at Vecto Resource Services Ltd. along with Mr. Liknes, said he has worked with the missing grandfather off and on for about 20 years.

“He’s just a great guy to work with, whether things worked or didn’t work, he was giving his best efforts,” Mr. Carson said from his B.C. home. “I can’t picture anybody being angry enough to do what they’ve done.”

Mr. Carson said Vecto was working on a type of pump that could keep water out of oil and gas wells, allowing them to be productive for longer stretches of time; however, Mr. Liknes’s invention didn’t work out, and the plan was dropped.

Mr. Carson said he hadn’t spoken to Mr. Liknes in a few years.

“He’s a golfer and he was just ready to start to retire. He was the same age as me; he had a place down in Mexico and was going to spend six months up there, six months up here. They were just a very normal family. Everything about them was kind of average, really, as far as I know they sure weren’t wealthy. I don’t understand why this happened at all.”

On the weekend of their disappearance, the Likneses held an estate sale at their home in Calgary’s Parkdale neighbourhood; they were hoping to clear out furniture before spending several months in Mexico. They then planned to move to an address in Edmonton.

**edited to remove twitter feed




Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 10, 2014, 11:56:22 AM
I imagine when people lost their jobs due to a company going bankrupt, there could be lost wages as well. What I can't see is a normal person wanting to harm someone who may owe them money ... that's not a way to ever get any returns. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 01:01:04 PM
Nope - the staff laid off were paid, and he always paid the rent for the business office on time.

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1090237/amber-alert-missing-calgary-mans-company-went-bankrupt-weeks-before-disappearance/

Kozera, meanwhile, noted Liknes had his toes in various business pools and also confirmed Winter’s core staff were compensated, although he wasn’t sure about outside partners such as well servicing contractors"

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 10, 2014, 01:05:47 PM
In my opinion, if they're searching dumps and landfills, they should be searching the ones closest to the property first.  The Airdrie Transfer Site (AKA: "the dump") is roughly 10 minutes from the acreage just off of Hwy 567 and is only about 5 kilometers west of Airdrie.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 10, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
CCF- Transfer Site is monitored by personnel and is open certain days, certain hours. The personnel normally asked you what type of garbage you have. I don't think the perp(s) want that type of contact. IMO (Guidelines have to be followed, so I think all transfer sites are monitored.)

Getting back to dump diving....where are the dogs??? They have a way keener sense of smell then us. Plus, they can distinguish the smell of a single piece of clothing (such as Nathan's) out of the pile of garbage.

Where is industrial waste kept near Cagary? The oil storage tanks that no longer are in use, must have a graveyard somewhere..???
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 10, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
Thanks Debbie for the pics.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 10, 2014, 05:50:38 PM
The dogs will hit on every tampon or bandage in the dump.  They aren't normally used in dumps.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 10, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
CCF- Transfer Site is monitored by personnel and is open certain days, certain hours. The personnel normally asked you what type of garbage you have. I don't think the perp(s) want that type of contact. IMO (Guidelines have to be followed, so I think all transfer sites are monitored.)

Getting back to dump diving....where are the dogs??? They have a way keener sense of smell then us. Plus, they can distinguish the smell of a single piece of clothing (such as Nathan's) out of the pile of garbage.

Where is industrial waste kept near Cagary? The oil storage tanks that no longer are in use, must have a graveyard somewhere..???

The dumps are also monitored by city personnel and are locked at night as well.  Right now, the Spy Hill site is open 7 days a week from 7:30 to 5:00.  Again, I lived in Airdrie from 2005-early 2014 so I am familiar with the process at that specific transfer site.  The few times I used it, they didn't even look to see what I had from their booth.  They just asked if it was typical household garbage or a specific waste (drywall for example) so they could point me in the direction of where to properly empty my vehicle.  They weighed my vehicle in and out to know what to charge me.  Pretty fast process and would be easy to dispose of evidence there from such a short distance away, in relation to Spy Hill.  The big difference is volume of traffic...Spy Hill can be pretty busy at times during the week, especially during summer.  The few times I used the Airdrie site, twice I was the only vehicle there and the third it was me and another person so based on my experience, it can be fairly quiet. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 10, 2014, 06:49:43 PM
Thanks Debbie for the pics.

You're welcome Baba. :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 10, 2014, 06:54:48 PM
CCF- Transfer Site is monitored by personnel and is open certain days, certain hours. The personnel normally asked you what type of garbage you have. I don't think the perp(s) want that type of contact. IMO (Guidelines have to be followed, so I think all transfer sites are monitored.)

Getting back to dump diving....where are the dogs??? They have a way keener sense of smell then us. Plus, they can distinguish the smell of a single piece of clothing (such as Nathan's) out of the pile of garbage.

Where is industrial waste kept near Cagary? The oil storage tanks that no longer are in use, must have a graveyard somewhere..???

Doesn't all industrial waste go to Swan Hills waste incinerators?

http://www.townofswanhills.com/lifestyle/tourism/alberta-special-waste-treatment-facility
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 10, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Re: Dump - I don't think the cops are looking for anything specific, so are holding off on the dogs.  Which is odd!!


I recall seeing a TV doc on sniffer dogs vs other dogs with their specialties.

Search and rescue dogs are kept with families.

Sniffer dogs, must be kept in large  clean kennels. This keeps them from becoming confused in abilities.
Some are trained for explosives, others dope and on it goes.

I am looking for a link on this.  A garbage dump apparently is not the place for sniffer dogs.

When I think about it, it makes sense.  They wouldn't even know where to begin. lol

But cadaver dogs can be used to sniff through garbage.

Here is a video.

http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/milwaukee/Cadaver-dogs-assist-in-search-for-Milwaukee-man-s-body/18380920#!bcBRjO

Big heat wave coming - I doubt if the cops could continue working in that garbage.  JMO

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 10, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
Many cadaver dog owners won't put their dogs in danger by having them search a dump.  Diseases, glass, needles etc make it a very dangerous place for a dog.  The dog on that video wasn't even wearing protective footwear.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 10, 2014, 08:47:46 PM
  Is it time to put cameras on highways and other roads ? We put videos cameras around our farm and it was not that expensive, they hide quite easily too. They do not show the license plate at night but still shows the model of a vehicule. In that case, an older truck may have stood out.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 11, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
They're out there: Family holds out hope in Calgary Amber Alert case

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:04PM EDT
Last Updated Friday, July 11, 2014 12:07AM EDT

 
The family of a missing five-year-old boy, who vanished with his grandparents more than a week ago, joined a community vigil Thursday night as police continued to search for clues.

Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents Alvin and Kathryn Liknes were last seen 11 days ago.

The candlelight vigil was held at a community centre in Calgary’s Park Hill neighbourhood.

‘I thank you dearly, from the bottom of our hearts, for being a part of this,” Nathan’s mother told the crowd. “And we’re very hopeful that they’re out there. There’s no doubt in our mind.”

Earlier in the day, police were at a second dump Thursday to search for clues in the mysterious disappearance.

Investigators descended on the East Calgary Landfill early Thursday afternoon, a day after they searched the Spyhill Landfill in northwest Calgary.

Officials said landfill searches are standard procedure when it comes to major crime investigations. They said some items have been taken from the dump sites for analysis, but it’s not clear if they are relevant to the case.

Police officers also returned to a rural home near Airdrie, north of Calgary, Thursday to continue searching for clues in their disappearance.

Investigators have been at a rural property since Friday, combing through the home, the land and a nearby pond for any sign of the couple or their grandson.

Calgary police spokesperson Kevin Brookwell told reporters Thursday that a “quantity of chemicals” was found at the farm. That’s why an ambulance and firefighters were on the site Wednesday as a precaution as police officers searched the property, he said.

“At this time, we don’t know if it’s chemicals that are part of a typical farm operation or chemicals that could be used for something else,” Brookwell said. “It’s too early to speculate what those may be.”

He said experts are on the site to determine what types of chemicals are involved.

Brookwell said investigators remain “hopeful” that Nathan and his grandparents will be found.

“This is a very, very unique case,” he said, adding that he hasn’t seen anything like it in his 35 years on the job.

Meanwhile, a man police have identified as a person of interest in the disappearances will appear in court on Friday on an unrelated charge. Douglas Garland, whose parents own the property near Airdrie where police continue to search, is charged with identity theft in an unrelated case.

Garland will likely be released after his court appearance on Friday, so long as he can prove that he has a permanent address.

According to court records, Garland has a history of living under an assumed name and he spent time in jail for making amphetamines at his parents’ farm.

Garland was questioned by police over the weekend in relation to the missing persons’ case. But officers say he is not a suspect, and no charges have been laid against him in regards to the case. Police did confirm Tuesday that Garland has a connection to the Liknes couple -- his sister is in a relationship with a member of the Liknes family.

Asked whether police are investigating a possible business link between Garland and Alvin Liknes, Brokwell said “there is some business issues,” but he couldn’t get into specifics or say who was involved.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/they-re-out-there-family-holds-out-hope-in-calgary-amber-alert-case-1.1907911 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/they-re-out-there-family-holds-out-hope-in-calgary-amber-alert-case-1.1907911)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
Recent reports by Reporters Live from Calgary Courthouse.  Garland is out on $750. bail  under strict conditions. Apparently he cannot return to the farm. He can stay in transitional housing, with a set curfew.  Must report to a court appointed person 3 times a week. He cannot possess any other ID other than his own.  Cannot leave the Province.

Now - this next question may be heresay
:  I am trying to confirm if the last reported siting of the green truck was at dawn leaving L's residence, with nothing seen in the back of truck.
Does anyone have a decent link to confirm that?
JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 11, 2014, 03:00:28 PM
This kind of reminds me a bit of the Tim Bosma case. All over the place with it and then all of a sudden the arrest was made. I don't know why they are coddling this man and he is getting out on such low bail, maybe there is a method to their madness. Maybe he'll contact someone by phone or get to a computer and they'll watch everything he does. He will be watched, no doubt about it. Did he agree to a lie detector test????? Also the McCann's case rings a bell here too, never found and Vader is in custody and still no answers. Why can't they just put this guy through the ropes and get the answers, I'm sure he's the right one that was in custody. :o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 03:20:48 PM
Garland's past shows that he is prone to break downs when under pressure.  It is surprising that he had held it together this time, what with the predicament he is presently in.

Transitional housing, is a polite way of saying Homeless Shelters, and that would be living pressure.  He would be living on the street during the day and sleeping in the shelters at nite.  They are not open 24/7.

If he is recognized by anyone there, he could be in for a pile of trouble. No doubt he is smart enough to realize that.

In fact, he would be safer in jail - in my opinion.

If anything happens to him - then law enforcement may lose a very valuable lead as to where the missing three are.
That is, if they deeply think that he is the culprit, but at this time cannot prove it - thus remaining a poi.

While they are following other investigative leads, law enforcement have pulled out all of the stops on the Garland property and surrounding area..... so .......

Since the Garland residence is being held by police indefinitely ......I am hoping that his parents are in a safe place, living away from all of this until it is over.  It is must be a nightmare for them as well.

JB



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
This better explains things.... Yes, he must continue to see a doctor.
This is a long article - but here is the first part of it which covers his bail and conditions.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Person+interest+family+disappearance+released+bail/10022139/story.html


‘Person of interest’ in family’s disappearance released on bail



By Daryl Slade, Calgary Herald July 11, 2014 3:03 PM


A man police call a person of interest in the disappearance of Kathy and Alvin Liknes and their five-year-old grandson Nathan O’Brien has been released on bail on unrelated identification theft and credit card charges.


Provincial court Judge Joanne Durant on Friday granted Douglas Garland, 54, bail on $750 cash and several conditions including a 9 p.m. to 7 a.m. curfew, not possessing a passport and not leaving the province without permission from his release supervisor or the court.

Durant outlined the stringent conditions, which had been ironed out by Crown prosecutor Shane Parker and defence lawyer Kim Ross prior to the late-morning bail hearing.

Garland must also reside at transitional housing, which could include a hotel, motel, Calgary Drop-In Centre, Mustard Seed, Salvation Army or the Centre of Hope.

However, he cannot reside at his parents’ family farm outside of Airdrie as police were still combing the area for clues to the disappearance of the three missing people.

Rod O’Brien, Nathan’s father, and Al Liknes — Alvin Liknes’s son and Garland’s brother-in-law — left the courtroom immediately after the bail hearing and did not speak to media.

Ross said outside court he had not discussed where his client would live,

“These were conditions that were agreed upon by myself and the Crown in consultation with my client,” Ross said outside court. “Transitional housing is put on many releases, just so all options are covered for anybody who is being released from custody, in case he doesn’t have an address to go to.”

Ross said he has had very little contact with his client and is only retained by Garland on the charges currently before the court.

“He’s doing fine under the circumstances,” said Ross. “Right now, all he’s in for is identity theft and credit card charges. That’s all we’re dealing with right now.”

When advised by the judge of all the conditions, in particular the curfew, Garland questioned whether he could be permitted to stay out later.

“I live on a farm, sometimes working out past 9 o’clock, would my residence be on the farm itself?” he asked.

Ross then interjected and said he would discuss the issue with his client later.

Garland must report no less than three times a week to his director of release and will also have to report to Calgary Police Det. Colin Harper starting July 15 and must notify Harper if he has any changes in his name, residence or occupation, according to the release conditions.

Parker declined to discuss the case outside court.

The release conditions also include that Garland must remain in care of his physician or designate and follow all doctor’s instructions, but Ross declined to comment on whether that was a family physician or even a psychiatrist.

As well, Garland must not be in possession of any identification documents, credit cards, debit cards, driver’s licences or mail, except those in his lawful name.

His next scheduled court appearance is Aug. 6 at the provincial court’s case management office.

“Hopefully, we’ll have some disclosure (of the Crown’s case) by then, we have reviewed the disclosure and I’ll take instructions from my client on the next step.” said Ross.

Garland had been held at the Calgary Remand Centre on the two identity-theft offences unrelated to the missing persons case.


He has not been charged in connection with the disappearance of the three people, but police centred many of their search efforts on the 16-hectare farm in Airdrie owned by Garland’s parents.

On Wednesday, Calgary police focused on an additional location, sending officers to search a section of the Spyhill Landfill in the city’s northwest.

“When there is a scene or a crime scene, a fatal mistake would be ever to make the assumption that it’s limited to a particular area. You always have to look at any possibilities and ensure that your investigation encompasses all potential investigative possibilities. Better to widen the net than to restrict it too much,” police Chief Rick Hanson said.

Garland was charged with unlawful possession of identification and unlawful possession of a bank card after police took him for questioning at the farm last Friday.

Garland’s sister is in a common-law relationship with Alvin Liknes’s son.

The charges against Garland are in connection with ID and a bank card allegedly in the name of a young Alberta boy whose identity he assumed while unlawfully at large during the 1990s.
 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 04:28:35 PM
AND NOW, ABOUT THOSE FOLKS WHO DID NOT GO TO POLICE WHO ATTENDED THE GARAGE SALE!
THIS IS IN THE OPINION SECTION. Can't post the link as facebook comments are attached.

This is the first part of it. 


Platt
 Unforgivable apathy shown by those who could help crack disappearance of Calgary boy and his grandparents  150

Michael Platt_op
 By Michael Platt   ,Calgary Sun 
First posted:  Tuesday, July 08, 2014 06:27 PM MDT  | Updated:  Tuesday, July 08, 2014 06:33 PM MDT

Those actually living under a rock are excused.

But the 100-odd Calgarians who are just too lazy, too busy or too self-absorbed and shy to comply with one simple police request in the midst of an Amber Alert — what you’re doing is unforgivable.

Lives may be at stake, and you can’t be bothered to step forward as asked, having attended a couple’s estate sale hours before they and their grandchild disappeared.

The abduction of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents may be the most widely-publicized missing persons case in Calgary history — and yet the response to a vital police request for help has so far been appalling.

“We estimated about 200 people initially went to that estate sale, and so far 88 people have come forward,” said police spokesman Kevin Brookwell.

“So we still would like to have folks who were part of the estate sale to come forward.”

The witnesses so far account for less than half of the people who attended the moving sale at 123 38A Ave. S.W. on June 28 and 29 — a pathetic total, considering what’s on the line.

The open-house sale took place before someone arrived at the Parkhill home after 10 p.m. on the Sunday, and violently abducted the three people inside.

No one has seen Alvin and Kathy Liknes or their grandson since — which is why every scrap of information about the estate sale is vital, no matter how inconsequential it may seem.

Especially when the current leads are so fragile.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 11, 2014, 04:36:36 PM
Thank you JB.

I agree that the response to the request for help has so far been appalling. I'm wondering how the people who have not bothered to come forward would feel if they were walking in the same shoes as the family members of the three missing. I bet they'd want all the help they could possibly get.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 11, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
Besides some people fearing the finger printing by police, another reason could be that being it was an extra long weekend for some ... perhaps people had been in Calgary from a distance and don't live in the immediate area. They could still go to their local police and give the info needed however not all units have the fingerprinting available immediately. A lot of people are simply not paying attention to this case and may have missed the initial request.
It has been a very poor turnout unfortunately. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 07:06:46 PM
I think the finger printing thing - would throw a number of people off - being law abiding citizens and all - When push comes to shove - many people would not trust law enforcement in destroying the records, but would keep them on file.

Then we have people who would feel - holy cow, I only spent 10 bucks - now they want me to go thru this inconvenience?

And many would rationalize - the police will solve it - they are on it - they don't need to see my $20.00 item and finger print me - they know who it is.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 11, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
I wonder how the estimate of 200 people came about.  Guesswork?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 11, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
You are more optimistic than I, JB, he or (they) had 5 days to get rid of evidences. I hope we do not see a case like the McCann all over again. If the perp has killed and buried the bodies on crown land somewhere they may never be found.  In Tim Bosma murder, the police were able to follow a trail through kijiji. that led them to Millard.
  The police must have put some priority on DNA evidence on the tuck , i wonder how long they can hold it for.
   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 11, 2014, 09:30:52 PM
I still fail to see why law abiding citizens would think their minimal buy wouldn't be important enough when the police mainly want to get to a sense of what was stolen. They have items left and subtract the bought items to equal what isn't accounted for that may have been stolen. Items stolen, be it large or little may help point them to a suspect easier.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 09:40:16 PM
Naz: I don't think I ever was optimistic- sad to say.  :'(

In my own humble opinion, the Amber Alert is kept up - to bring in tips - As long as a child is missing and tips are coming in - it will stay in force.  Technically speaking, if you know what I mean. Any kind of tips - not necessarily that the three of them were spotted here or there.  Any type of tips - truck, poi, something suspicious etc.

And when one considers where police are looking - well - it doesn't look good to me.
But the police are ever hopeful that they will find them alive - as to date they have not found anything pointing either way.

JB


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
I still fail to see why law abiding citizens would think their minimal buy wouldn't be important enough when the police mainly want to get to a sense of what was stolen. They have items left and subtract the bought items to equal what isn't accounted for that may have been stolen. Items stolen, be it large or little may help point them to a suspect easier.

I agree with you SAP. Those who attended almost have a moral obligation to talk to the police, I would think.  It would be interesting to note if anyone spotted the poi at that sale - or someone acting suspiciously.  But, what can a person do - other than shame them into going..... I mean "not knowing the cops request" is no excuse - it has been highly publicized all over the country.  So - what is the hold up?  Why the low response rate?

Jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 11, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
I have no idea why the low response rate. They need to give their conscience a shake ... what happened to Nathan and his grandparents could happen to anyone. I know I would certainly return with the purchase if asked to.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: naz on July 11, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
  I meant optimistic on a conviction, JB.
 
  I do not understand either why some people chose not to contact the police in a case like this. Maybe they figure that if they did not purchase anything there is no point.
 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 11, 2014, 11:06:44 PM
 
  I do not understand either why some people chose not to contact the police in a case like this. Maybe they figure that if they did not purchase anything there is no point.
 

That's a good point.  Cops did stress "purchased an item".

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 12, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
Cops are back at house of victims today -

http://medicinehatnews.com/news/provincial-news/2014/07/12/investigators-returning-to-home-of-missing-grandparents-as-part-of-search/

By The Canadian Press on July 12, 2014.

CALGARY – Investigators are returning to the scene of the crime in the disappearance of a five-year-old Calgary boy and his grandparents.

Police say they will sweep the property of Alvin and Kathy Liknes as part of a three-pronged attack today, searching for more clues.

The couple and their five-year-old grandson, Nathan O’Brien, disappeared from the home on June 29.

Police say there is evidence a violent crime occurred there.

Searchers also continue to comb the rural property of person-of-interest Douglas Garland near Airdrie, north of Calgary, as well as several surrounding acreages.

Police are also sifting through mounds of garbage at a northwest Calgary landfill.



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 12, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
Does anyone know if the house and yard were yellow taped all this time?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 12, 2014, 08:20:41 PM
Does anyone know if the house and yard were yellow taped all this time?

Reporters said that police have been guarding the place - for how long - they didn't say. 

I would think that G is staying in a 1/2 way house - or someplace quite secure within the city - where he has a landline, and able to keep the curfew and with transportation to the detective once a week, yes, he has to report to the detective, as well as the court appointment supervisor.  etc. etc.

A shelter just would not cut it - what with the courts stipulations for release on bail.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 12, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
Maybe the LE emphasized "purchased an item" because they are trying to figure out what is missing from the home???

...but what if some of those people were passing through and on vacation, and thought to pop into a few estate/garage sales??? Even people from the stampede. If you are a garage sale-aholic, this is possible. :) and then went on their merry way..and haven't even clued in they were at that house, especially if they had done a lot of sales that day.

What about Safety Deposit Boxes???

SAP, I think they have had it taped all the time, and probably bolted??? According to all the press pictures, I have viewed.



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 12, 2014, 08:35:53 PM
Good point Baba Donya.  People go from place to place re: garage sales and half the time they don't buy much, or can't remember where they bought it. I never thought of that and you are right come to think of it.

 http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/12/police-return-to-parkhill-home-where-calgary-family-disappeared-from

snippet

Police return to Parkhill home where Calgary family disappeared from  4

 By Jenna McMurray   ,Calgary Sun 

First posted:  Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:06 AM MDT  | Updated:  Saturday, July 12, 2014 07:46 PM MDT

Calgary city police sift through articles in the garage on Saturday July 12, 2014 of the home where five-year-old Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents Alvin and Kathryn Liknes went missing in Parkhill in SW Calgary, Alta. Stuart Dryden/Calgary Sun/QMI Agency

Calgary police returned to the home of Alvin and Kathryn Liknes to search it again Saturday.

The Parkhill house is where it’s believed the couple and their grandson, five-year-old Nathan O’Brien, disappeared from at the end of last month.

and -

On Saturday, the 13th day of a desperate search for the missing family, police were back at the home to look for any additional clues.

“There’s nothing specific we’re looking for,” said Sgt. Cory Ma.

“It’s just to make sure they didn’t miss anything.”

City police along with RCMP also continued searching several areas in Airdrie, including the acreage where person of interest Douglas Garland lives, and from where they seized a truck matching the description of one spotted in the Parkhill area the night the family disappeared.

 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 13, 2014, 03:14:52 AM
Thanks JB and Baba. It would only make sense everything was locked down and watched.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 13, 2014, 10:43:36 AM
Wonder if the customers of the garage sale were asked to submit DNA samples.  It would be necessary I would think.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 13, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
I concur Naz, the public has been instrumental in many missing persons cases and police will often mention that when the missing person has been found.
And, yes, police have always been tight lipped about evidence found at missing persons/crime scene sites to provide the integrity of the investigation b/c often clues at the crime scene is known only to police and the perp/s and that is one way they can find the suspect out of the poi list ... if the poi slips up with info.

What I don't think is good about open forums are the wild theories ... one even has AL the mastermind of a gang (middle-aged men, all with older green trucks running a drug lab in the country) and since AL is leaving the country, DG was angry that his link to outside buyers is broken. Behind the very unfortunate missing persons, one of which is a little 5 yo boy, are real people who are hurting badly already. Every family member is being scrutinized by posters, especially those who already have links to characters who are unsavory. I do think it is good for police to have all that info and they probably already do since they do look at family first and they check and decide what is useful and what is not.
Just my humble opinion.
If I was in the situation and read all this crap about relatives and their deep dark secrets I would be furious and would probably take the way out theories to a lawyer.

I will back off from posting on this case again as I find myself preaching and I know that isn't well liked. :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 13, 2014, 03:03:15 PM
I SO AGREE WITH YOU SAP.  Well said!

In general the public has been very helpful in the case. 

Who is this helpful public comprised of?;

The neighbours (people who knew the L's), and graciously allowing cops to check their homes.

The neighbour telling police that they have a CC security camera.

The neighbour in the Airdrie area, who saw the truck, and reported it -

And information provided by family members themselves.

And The Amber Alert

All of these people were players.  The rest are arm chair sleuths - just like us. :)

I too went on the internet and drummed up info on the family - Lets face it, thanks to facebook, we give out our relationships  as to who is with whom etc.  It doesn't take much detective work to find that out.

People with business do have sites on the internet - and the L's had a lot of businesses.  This family is huge, and many of them are entrepreneurs , nothing unusual about that.

Bankruptcy  is not uncommon with small players in the oil and gas industry.  They are up against the giants - and yet many families are in it with hopes of earning a decent living off of it.  Some families are lucky and others are not.

It is a gamble - a risk - and those who go into it, are willing to take it.

In the competition to be :First to the Post:  sleuthers  will post anything they can find on the internet.give their own twist to it - and away it goes!!!  Regardless of the agony that the families are going through - they will find a way to post it.

Looks like  Nathan, Alvin and Katherine, have been lost in the shuffle.

Just my humble observations on the Circus. (sadly).

JB



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 13, 2014, 03:11:33 PM
Thank you JB. Well said.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 13, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/13/calgary-police-pull-out-of-home-of-missing-grandparents-alvin-and-kathy-liknes-who-disappeared-with-grandson-nathan-Obrien

Investigators have pull out of the original scene at the centre of the mysterious disappearance of a Calgary family.

Police returned to the Parkhill home of Alvin and Kathryn Liknes Saturday to complete a “final sweep” of the property and ensure they hadn’t missed any clues in previous searches.

and

On Sunday, after holding the property for nearly two weeks, police announced the Liknes home had been released from continuity.

Meanwhile, investigators continued to comb through trash at the Spyhill landfill and, along with RCMP resources, scoured an Airdrie acreage and the surrounding area.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 13, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
Thank you Supernatural for bringing this Amber Alert to we folks on Unsolved. You really do care about the missing and murdered, very much so.  I have read all of your posts.

Keep in touch with us.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 14, 2014, 12:44:48 AM
These forums have lead to some incredible leads despite the digging the armchair sleuths do. This is an information world, and we all have access to many resources. Not everyone on these forums have identical lives and experiences, therefore, everyone's take on any thread is valuable.

Bottom line, is no matter his much digging people do, it should not matter! These family members want their family whole again, no matter what it takes.

Spinning ideas, networking with others who have the same goal is very powerful! We need to keep up the good work. There is no 'I' in team. Therefore, no one should care who found something first ...just get the crime solved!!!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 14, 2014, 01:29:36 AM
...for a couple of days...this TV series has been plaguing my mind - "Breaking Bad" .. I do not know why..but this has a science teacher who creates a high grade crystal meth. In one of the shows this science teacher and his accomplice have to get rid of two bodies. Too descriptive of a show for TV, but in this show they used chemicals to get rid of one of the bodies.

Too close for comfort!

Season 1
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 14, 2014, 09:52:39 AM
This article is very interesting -  Differs from where this family was moving to.  Different versions abound in amongst family members.  Why the difference?

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1094975/amber-alert-brother-says-search-for-missing-calgary-trio-has-gone-really-quiet/

July 13, 2014 Updated: July 14, 2014 | 7:37 am 

Brother says search for missing Calgary trio has gone ‘really quiet’

As the search for a missing boy and his grandparents reached the two-week mark Sunday, a close family member said he fears the worst as the investigation into their disappearance appears to have turned “really quiet.”

Alvin Liknes, wife Kathryn Liknes and five-year-old grandson Nathan O’Brien were last seen in their home in Calgary’s Parkhill neighbourhood June 29. Police have said a violent incident occurred inside the residence and it’s believed the missing trio did not leave voluntarily.

Over the weekend, police performed a “final sweep” of the Parkhill property before releasing it Sunday morning. No other clues about progress in their investigation were provided but searches were scheduled to continue at Calgary’s Spyhill Landfill and an Airdrie acreage owned by the parents of investigators’ lone person of interest, Douglas Garland.

Randy Prevost, Kathryn’s brother, said he was hopeful about the direction police were taking their investigation early on, but he’s now been left largely in the dark.

“Lately, it’s been really quiet. I haven’t heard a thing that’s changed,” he said. “It’s eating away at you constantly. It’s hard to break from it. The killer of the whole thing is not knowing anything past what we know today.”

By early Sunday evening, well wishers had placed a candlelight display on the front lawn of the Liknes home — a sign hanging from it read “I believe.” There were still signs that something was amiss, however, as chalk had been used to circle several stains on the front driveway and a blue residue was left on the door where it appeared forensic teams had dusted for fingerprints

Prevost said the Likneses had been planning to move to a condo in Mexico for a year and would then return to live in Evansburg, Alta.

They were investing in cheaper property so they could enjoy the rest of their lives,” he said. “I am sure they were just trying to protect themselves with the money they did have.”


Questions have been raised about Alvin’s business dealings after a company he founded, Winter Petroleum Ltd., went bankrupt just weeks before his disappearance. Media reports have also indicated he did business with Garland at some point in the past.

Prevost said he didn’t generally talk money with his sister or her husband, but he didn’t believe the pair to be in financial trouble.

Garland, meanwhile, was released on $750 bail Friday after spending time behind bars on unrelated identity-theft charges. Prevost said it was a “heartbreaker” to know he’d been set free. He, personally, has never met Garland, but confirmed Garland’s sister was in a relationship with one of Alvin’s sons. (For more on Garland’s bail conditions, click here).

Prevost added, “We’re really not finding out anything about this guy that provides potential answers as to what’s going on.”


It wasn’t clear when the search of Spyhill or the Airdrie acreage would end. Garland was ordered to stay in transitional housing for the time being and routinely check in with a Calgary police detective.

Anyone with information is asked to contact police at 403-266-1234, email homicidetips@calgarypolice.ca or call Crime Stoppers.


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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 14, 2014, 12:03:04 PM
This Garland is a very cold blooded individual. Imagine him thinking he got away with this crime. With all the VS cameras in neighbourhoods and private homes,this guy is in Disneyland. I bet he got a shock when the police knocked at his door. The police must have found something if he is back in custody. He must have had a weapon of some kind. But if the victims were threatened at their home and were killed somewhere else, that could be a possibility. But then there were drag marks reported. So why would that DNA and all be in the back of the truck and they would have him arrested with that evidence??? That is what bothers me. If they were in that truck, why didn't forensics hit on all of that? And if he did kill them, it must have been very quick that he could do that to two adults and a child. Would it be a gun or a knife that he used??? He surely doesn't look like he is a very big man. And was it possible he may have had help and someone assisted in this crime?? A lot of unanswered questions. I feel so sorry for the mom and dad of Nathan, nobody could imagine what they are going through. This is why Canada needs the death penalty back, for cases like this.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 14, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Murder charges pending against man arrested in Calgary disappearances

Bodies of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents have not been found

News1130 Staff and The Canadian Press    July 14, 2014 12:18 pm



CALGARY (NEWS1130) – Calgary Police say two charges of first-degree murder and one of second-degree murder are pending in the disappearance of a five-year-old boy and his grandparents.

Chief Rick Hanson says a man has been arrested but he can’t be identified because he has yet to appear before a justice of the peace.

Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Kathryn and Alvin Liknes, haven’t been seen since June 29th. Police say something violent happened at the Liknes’ home but won’t say what. The couple held an estate sale in their home prior to their disappearance and Nathan was there on a sleepover.

The second-degree murder charge is in relation to the child.

Hanson says the bodies have not been found, but an Amber Alert issued shortly after the trio was reported missing has been cancelled.

When asked how police know the three are dead, Hanson said, “The preponderance of evidence is such that has led our investigators to believe that they are dead.”

“What I can tell you is every day, evidence was coming as our officers did their investigation. And every day, it was assessed,” he added.

Police are also asking landowners to search their properties.

The chief says the man arrested is from Airdrie, a community north of Calgary. He would not confirm that it’s Douglas Garland, who lives on an Airdrie acreage with his parents and has been identified as a person of interest in the case.

Garland was first questioned more than a week ago and was released from custody last Friday on unrelated identity theft charges. Media reports citing police sources say Garland was re-arrested Monday.

Garland, who is 54, has ties to the Liknes family.

Police have said his sister is in a relationship with a family member and there have been reports he had business dealings with Alvin Liknes as well.

Investigators have been searching the Garland acreage northeast of Airdrie where since he was initially questioned. Over the past two weeks RCMP and Calgary police have searched several fields, sloughs and stands of trees on the acreage and in an area nearby.


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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 14, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
As has been asked in the past: Please do not post links to live chat or twitter.

These posts will be deleted.

Thanks,
Debbie
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 14, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
While few people have posted on this site regarding the "missing 3", I think that we can be proud of ourselves, that we did not run down the victims, by way of posting every business that L's had, and on and on - where the whole clan's business has now been exposed on the internet.

There is one site, that even posted the e-mail address of one of the victims. They show and continue to show no pity or mercy!!

I think over the years, many of UC posters have held back, as we have learned that victims families having feelings.

They are not just names in the media, they are living, breathing people.

I sincerely hope the poi - who is now in the custody of the police, and will be formally charged with 2 counts of 1st degree murder, and manslaughter of little 5 year old Nathan, will man up and lead law enforcement to the remains of these people.  Quite frankly, I doubt it.

It appears so far, that the police will have to do everything "the hard way".

I hope that every citizen and corporation in the Airdrie area will check their properties carefully (As police have requested). In my opinion, it is these citizens who carry  importance in this investigation at the moment.

My heartfelt condolences go out to the Liknes Family, especially to his loving parents.

They held out hope for two long weeks that they would be found alive and it will be difficult to let that thought go, for awhile.

It is therefore, all the more important, for their sake - that citizens check their property.  If one wants to put it off, thinking the police will have to wait - too busy at the moment type of  thing, I hope that they will have second thoughts and  carefully check everything, within the next day or two. If you are afraid as to what you may find, bring someone along with you.

I believe that it is crucial that citizens act quickly for the sake of little Nathan and his loving parents.


JB :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 14, 2014, 06:32:55 PM
Sometimes I see things, flashes of images and sometimes I don't.  In regards with this one I first seen a painted shack with white trim with tall green grass.  Not certain on the color of the rest of the building aside from the trim just that it is not white.  Actually the paint looked quite new so it was done recently.  I then seen it possilby close to a small body of water.  That is all I got.  The shack could be  perhaps an old wood grain bin but not sure.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 14, 2014, 06:44:34 PM
Innrafeith...round or square, rectangular?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 14, 2014, 06:49:37 PM
Oh heck, I don't know.  I just seen a corner of it.  My best guess it that it looks something like this I randomly found off the net ...

http://lumensborealis.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/grain-bin-dixonville-alberta-2.jpg

Actually more straight, it may even be smaller but like I said I just seen the corner of it.

So something like that with white trim, recently painted. With tall green grass close to possible a small body of water. 

I just know from my experiences that there is something to them otherwise I wouldn't be posting stuff like this.  It is open up to interpretation of course just like anything is.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on July 14, 2014, 07:35:12 PM
Heard about this today and the murder charges against Garland just now.  Based on the fact there were three of them, I am not seeing how he could have acted alone.  Of course, I could be wrong but that is how it looks.  I think the grandparents were targeted and he never counted on the kid being there.  there is a second degree charge regarding Nathan so i am wondering how they determined intent without bodies.  Knowing this, what seems plausible to me is that they grandparents' murders were pre-meditated and he never counted on their grandson being there.  He couldn't leave a witness.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 14, 2014, 07:55:22 PM
Cana, that is what I had said in the earlier post. I felt he came for the grandparents and didn't know Nathan was visiting and couldn't leave him as a witness.  It just came on the CTV news now that there has been three charges of FDM.  Such sorrow to come for those left behind. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 14, 2014, 08:44:39 PM
Where exactly is Douglas Garland's farm?  Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 14, 2014, 10:19:09 PM
One thing that stuck out to me was, in my opionion, how Garland was immediately trying to play the court and those in attendance by putting on a show that he has poor eyesight during the identity theft proceedings.  I wonder how many people thought "he couldnt have hurt them, he can barely see" upon reading that news report and his actions in court. He was simply putting his defensive wheels in motion if you ask me, I don't buy it.

By the sounds of things, Chief Hanson believes they have a pretty airtight case based upon evidence collected so far, even if they have not recovered any bodies yet.  If the Chief is saying that, they must have discovered some pretty damning evidence. I just hope the media leaves the O' Brien family in peace so they can grieve in private, they have been through enough and it is starting all over again. I simply dont know what else to say, this is just tragic in every sense of the word.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 14, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
Innrafeith...it is such a common building in Alberta's fields. :( I believe the buildings on the property by Airdrie have been looked into thoroughly. But, it could very well be near the Garland property.

Cape, Cana-Nomad...I thought the same thing. 😿😿😿

My prayers for the O'Briens and Liknes's. I thank God for helping all the ones who have worked to solve this mystery, without God's guidance this may have never been solved as quickly, as it has.🙏 May God continue to comfort these two families with Grace.

I concur about bringing back the death penalty!




Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 15, 2014, 05:48:08 AM
Baba Donya...common type of building...well yes.   A building somewhat like that with new paint around tall green grass close to a small body of water perhaps like an old old dugout...I doubt that would be as common.  Anywhere in between and in and around the distance of the farm and the missing people's residents where a truck can drive to can be the subject of a search, not just the farm itself.  Heck for all I know what I had seen simply may or may not be anything relevant but who knows, stranger things have happened.  If anyone is out and about driving around just keep it in the back of your minds, with any luck something may come of it and if not well so be ít unfortunately.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 07:16:04 AM
Innafrieth; There may be a property owner, who have read your post, and may have this type of bldg. on their property, and will check it out.

I am not a regular Google Earth user, I am wondering if there are members of UC, who perhaps may pursue this, by way of "flying over" the area, or --- well, I will leave that up to the UC Google experts.

We do like a challenge! Especially if it is helpful!!

CCF: I agree totally with your last reply 245.  In my opinion, he is a pathological liar as well.... I wondered too about his eye sight.

He is a very angry man.  Perhaps that is the only emotion that he  runs on. 

I thought I saw him tearing up a bit - just a bit - when the female reporter asked about Nathan.  Little Nathan's death may be the key to compel Garland to tell police where to look for Nathan's remains.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
Video on Garland being escorted to Remand.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1449500/person-of-interest-in-missing-family-case-re-arrested/

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 15, 2014, 09:25:07 AM
I do believe that the victims are on the Garland's property. Now doesn't he think he's pretty smart, leaving the hotel he was staying in at 1:30 in the morning and going back to his property, which he was ordered to stay away from. How stupid did he think the investigators were, that they wouldn't be watching him. I am convinced that he was headed to the property to hide something or to get rid of evidence. The Garland property definitely is the place that I believe the victims are. Was the inside of the house gone over with a fine tooth comb. The basement, any wells on the property, under floorboards in a barn, anything. They should rip that place apart board by board. Because maybe his parents know something and are hiding what they know. This is one evil person. If it was a bad business deal, take the person to court, don't murder innocent people because a business deal went wrong. Thought and prayers to the families of the deceased. God bless them and help them through this horrible time. A great heartbreak to think a child went to spend the night with his beloved grandparents and they were all murdered. A pure act of evil. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 15, 2014, 09:40:51 AM
This following brought it all home ...

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The preponderance of evidence is such that has led our investigators to believe that they are dead.

Until this I still had hope these grandparents and little Nathan would still be alive.

Yes I can believe a person like DG could act alone on this. All the blood loss at the property, imo, belongs to Alvin being that he was a 6 footer, DG took  him out first. I doubt any of the three left the place alive as it would have been too risky in case they would make noise that neighbors could hear. Imagine the horrific fright they all went through, especially for little Nathan who probably had to watch the worst!
Yes we do need the death penalty back. DG slips easily into a life of crime through no fault of anyone but himself. The next time would be easier for him since he has already had a taste. In the absence of life without parole or DP, hopefully he will get the max sentences separately for all three and then DO status.

My heart and prayers go out to all the victims he created ... The O'Briens, all the Liknes families and also the parents of DG. 

eta: The combined police services did a wonderful job in this investigation.   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 15, 2014, 10:02:50 AM
I couldn't find the article that claims Garland snuck back home to hide evidence but I did find this one following that states he was picked up at a motel he was staying at in Airdrie.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-arrives-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-nathan-o-brien-and-grandparents-1.2706455?cmp=rss
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
Great idea JB, to mention Google Earth for Innafeith.

Cape...I always come back to something underground. Dark. But in the vision I had, Nathan was standing up. I could not see the grandparents. Was Nathan put somewhere else and Mr. Garland wanted to check on him (when he returned to the farm) last night?

I think there is a machine of some sort that can X-ray layers in the earth and any abnormalities. Oil companies would have them, or geological scientists, or archeologists. (Close enough to Drumhellar, to get one of those contraptions.) That tool that could be used to find underground compartments, or an old bomb shelter, root cellar, or an old well site. Is there an artisian well, on the farm?

How many days can a child survive on water?

But if a reporter saw Mr. Garland get tears when Nathan's name was said, the little guy has perished. Although, if he (Mr. garland) is a compulsive liar, I cannot see him shedding real tears. Mr. Garland has no conscience.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
Hello Baba:  Just a correction, it was not a reporter who said that she saw tears.  It was me.  Unless, there is a report from her making the same observation.  But just in case she did not - I thought I would add this post.

It is a horrible situation isn't it?  As others have observed, it is doubtful if he will tell the police anything.

Sure hope that after being interviewed many times by different interviewers that he will break down and tell them where their remains are.

He may just clam up and ask for a lawyer!! And, by law,  he has every right to do so.

On a side note on cbc Edmonton, just read a banner which stated that Alberta Legal Aid will be closing down offices in Northern Alberta, and laying off staff in Calgary

JB





Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 15, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
People have survived 60 days on only water. if their body temp. is at a safe level.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
Hi JB, it was my observation, too, and his nose went red. Also, thought I read it or saw it on one of the news channels/sites. (I have been reading/watching as much as I can.) I have studied body language, and I am sure LE has staff who have taken similar courses, and they have observed what I have observed.

CBC had a retired Forensic Detective explain what has probably transpired for the charges against Mr. Garland. Something definitely happened last night, when he returned back to the farm.  CBC News Now/Network

Thanks Looking. :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 03:49:05 PM
CBC had a telephone interview this afternoon with the Chief of Police (Calgary)

Garland was found on the property adjacent to the Garland Farm, and was arrested at 1:30 a.m

The reporter asked if Garland breached his court order by do so.

The Chief replied that one of the stipulations from the court is that he was to be inside a building, a motel, or hotel,
so, yes he did breach the court order.
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We know that police were going to arrest him and charge him with murder in any event.
I would believe that he was being watched (tailed). I wonder,  how did he transport himself to this property?
-and- I can't help but wonder if perhaps the remains are buried on this adjacent piece of property, and perhaps he had this compulsion to return  to make sure that the remains are still there?

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
JB, I think you are right, or else evidence...may have been stashed there??? Plus, with his arrest..it was just a matter of time.

Remember that old say..."A fox smells his own hole."
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
 Calgary PoloIce a Chief Rick Hanson...“We know that the hardest thing to accept is that anyone, regardless of who’s charged in this case, that anyone could kill a child.”


http://globalnews.ca/news/1449500/person-of-interest-in-missing-family-case-re-arrested/
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 05:33:25 PM
Oh my God, I just about fell out of my chair.  The property that is being searched has a white house with green trim, see: Innafrieth post. I believe she said a bldg. with white trim with tall green grass around it.
She got the white and the green in her vision. 
We will see what happens.

Watch the TV on CBC National News.....and learn about the searches.

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 15, 2014, 07:18:47 PM
The cbc link is not up yet - will locate it and post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tamara-schroeder/calgary-missing-family-murdered_b_5586737.html

How a Community Grieves With a Family They've Never Met

Tonight I went out with a good friend and we cried together. That itself isn't a particularly notable occurrence. Doing life with someone you're close to often results in tears, some of joy and some of pain. However, the ones shed this evening had nothing to do with our own struggles and sorrows. Instead we wept for a mama we've never met, and for the rest of her clan.

It wasn't supposed to end this way. When Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents went missing two weeks ago, our community seemed to collectively inhale, desperate to celebrate a joyful reunion and sigh with relief. Every time I checked headlines (obsessively at some points), it seemed to be with one continuous breath, "God, please." Words I suspect were on the lips of Nathan's parents for 15 long, excruciating days.

The first sign all would not end well was a scheduled news conference with the chief of police and a cancelled Amber Alert yesterday afternoon. A short time later, it was confirmed.

Two pending first-degree murder charges and one second-degree count. A missing persons case now considered a homicide investigation.
POOF.

Our city is a busy one that I rarely see stand still for something that doesn't have some sort of sporting honour on the line, but today you could practically hear the air being sucked from it in those moments. Hope turns to grief far too quickly. There's no time for a graceful, easy transition between emotions. My whole heart wishes more than anything that we were only mourning the loss of a cup instead of the loss of lives. With a beloved team, you can comfort yourself with the bravado of the "there's always next year" sentiment. Cruelly, there are no second chances for a happier outcome here.

Everything about this story screams and aches of senselessness. With that feeling comes the desperation to explain and grasp at possible reason, where tragically none exists. So instead, we look for ways to meaningfully express our deepest sorrow and condolences towards people we only know through brief public appearances and a smattering of details released through the media in recent weeks. We may not know the O'Brien and Liknes families personally, but in the faces of Nathan, and of Alvin and Kathy, we see our own people, the ones we love more than anyone or anything, and would never want to imagine life without.

How do we rally around and support a family who is undoubtedly walking through their darkest days, on a journey that will last a lifetime? I've never met Jennifer O'Brien. We don't navigate life side-by-side the way I do with the sister-friend I spent tonight with, and others in my circle. But as a mom who is watching another live out her worst fear, there's nothing I want more than for her and her family to feel how much they are loved, by those who walk closely with them and the city who grieves behind them.

And as time continues forward, and the weeks and months, birthdays, anniversaries and milestones pass quietly by, I pray the family is reminded often that they are always loved and never forgotten. That their beautiful Nathan, their superhero, is remembered, acknowledged and cherished by the community who desperately prayed he would come home safely.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 15, 2014, 07:32:22 PM
He did not have to over power three people , all he had to do was grab Nathan and not a doubt the grandparents would do what ever he wanted to try to save their GrAND CHILD I  know I would .  Still trying to hold on to a nugget of hope they are alive. What could he gain certainly not monetary gain by killing them .
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 15, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Eyes, I would say the investigators knew early on that these people were deceased, they just tried to give hope, because no bodies were found. This guy is really cold blooded and to look at him, wouldn't you think he was just a great guy next door. Hopefully the remains of those murdered will be found. This man planned this and he knows what he has done.  So many roads and places to hide someone. This man should tell where those people are. It scares me to think that there is someone that evil that could do that. The worst of it all is the police know that they could not have survived whatever act that this man did. The best thing this person could do is to tell where the three victims are. A terrible tragedy and heartache for the family and the community. It is hard to wrap your mind around how someone could have so much hate for someone to do this. He could have sued this man or whatever, but to carry out what he did, no excuse whatsoever. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
Hi Eyeswideopen!  I was praying for a happy ending, too. But, there has been many good things have happened while investigating this crime.  (LE from city and province working hand in hand, community help and support, and prayers from Canada and around the world.) The deaths of Nathan and his grandparents is definitely not a good thing, it is one of the worst things to happen. Going to Grammy and Grampy's house, should never be something to be scared to do, now Mr. Garland has taken that innocence away from this family. He wins if we let him affect it for the rest of us.

I believe that would have been a great scenario, Eyes, (as all could have possibly been still alive), but I think Nathan came upon the crime as it was happening. I think he was already sleeping when Mr. Garland entered the home.  I don't think Mr. Garland knew Nathan was there, and in his crazed state, he did the unthinkable. 😪

I believe Mr. Garland was on a mission he was going to accomplish no matter what.

Just saw them release the green balloons in the Liknes's neighbourhood.✨
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/albertans-release-green-balloons-for-nathan-o-brien-1.2708139
😢
CBC

Cape, you could be right...they were buying time to find the bodies and collect evidence.😔
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 15, 2014, 11:50:45 PM
Some aerials...of the Garland farm and other acreages.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/douglas-garland-is-person-of-interest-in-case-of-missing-boy-convicted-drug-trafficker-has-ties-to-family/
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 16, 2014, 01:05:53 AM
Cape and Baby  guess I have to say this is not looking good at all.  I was still hanging on for the hope that he or who ever took them didnt have the heart to kill a five year so hoped he was still with us but each day makes it less likely .  Unless he had the boy hidden some place and that is why he snuck but , to feet the boy . If it was where the bodys are he was going to I dont think he would they say he is a genius so He would be to smart to lead the police right too them . 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 16, 2014, 06:53:52 AM
It takes evil to a whole new level when it comes to murdering a child.  As his sister is/was in a relationship with a Liknes relative, I wonder if Nathan knew or met Garland at a previous family function so he'd be able to identify him if he was let go unharmed.

As many have stated and has been reported, Garland is not a dummy.  It's not easy to get into med school in the first place and I believe he was a supervisor at a chemical plant or something of the sort while living under the stolen identity.  I will be shocked if the bodies are anywhere near the acreage, especially with his parents still living on the property.  To me, it's quite obvious through family ties/connections he was informed of the Liknes' plans to move to Mexico and they were having the estate sale.  He probably still feels entitled to compensation from the previous failed business relationship and went to collect since the Liknes' had sold their home and sold some of their possessions, so he picked the perfect time to "strike" with all the fingerprints and other evidence present from the estate shoppers.  As I stated before, this was almost the perfect crime because on the surface it appeared to be a random act/home invasion with robbery as the motive OR a disgruntled employee of the recently defunct petroleum business which would leave investigators off his tail for potentially a very long time.  Again, thank the good Lord above for the folks who had the security camera, without that footage who knows where this investigation would be.  Still on square one?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 16, 2014, 08:27:54 AM
Yes, CCF, thank heavens for the cc camera of the neighbour.

In my opinion, I don't think that we can ever get "into the mind" of someone like Garland.  I believe that he is "wired differently".  I recall an article whereby his sister and her husband (Liknes) spent last Thanksgiving with her parents on the Garland farm.  Apparently the suspect hardly said a word to them.  It was stated by one old timer, a neighbour that while Garland was exceptionally bright, he was quote "somewhat removed". 

While it is said, that he is exceptionally bright intellectually, to my mind, he is and always was socially inept.
I don't think Garland ever played by the rules of society. Since he was socially inept, I believe that Garland never understood them (the rules and people in general). He has no respect for authority, and plays by his own rules.

He may be "crazy", but he is crazy like a fox, in my opinion.  Why Alvin ever had a business dealing with him is hard to fathom imo.  I believe it had to do with  a newly designed piece of equipment for the oil and gas industry.  Perhaps he needed Garland for that?

I doubt very much  if he will confess everything - and least of all let the police know where the remains of this family can be found.  He will make things as difficult as possible for the prosecution and the law.

He will probably be assigned another lawyer to defend him on the murder charges (no financial cost to him).

As to his parents, I wonder if they are on the farm.  The police took the Garlands farm under their jurisdiction, so I wonder if it was the police who assisted them to vacate their property, and perhaps secretly  put them up in a hotel while all of this is going on.  I cannot see the couple "camping", as rumour has it.

Just my opinion.

JB ps. via CBC national - just learned that Garland has the same court appointed lawyer for these murder charges.

His lawyer is Kim Ross. A well established lawyer in Calgary - Successful  in defending clients.
http://ross-law.site-glf.com/
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 16, 2014, 09:20:54 AM
Thanks JB...

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Garland was found on the property adjacent to the Garland Farm, and was arrested at 1:30 a.m

He would have known he would be watched very likely .... so how brazen to do that. He must have needed to cover something up then like Cape mentoned. Or did the police say they were finished with those properties in order to see if he returns there? Anyway, this is very good he's in jail now. I don't think even his parents were safe with him on the loose.

On another note, I read an article where a lady by the name of Prevost was interviewed and she said Kathy's family have been ignored in all this and they are hurting as well. I will try and find the link.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/14/douglas-garland-arrested-again-in-connection-with-nathan-obrien-amber-alert-and-missing-grandparents/

I want the Prevost families to know we all share their grief as well and I feel certain you will all agree. So if they end up reading here, I would like them to know that we have wondered why there wwere no mentions of Kathy's siblings and families by Media. I guess media were too busy chasing after police and tweeting.

Thoughts and prayers to all the families ... OBriens, Liknes, Prevost and all their families. Stay strong together. :(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 16, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
Wonder if the parents saw the picture of the sons' vehicle in the media.  Can we assume he will play the " insanity" card here.  He does have a history.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 16, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
Wonder if the parents saw the picture of the sons' vehicle in the media.  Can we assume he will play the " insanity" card here.  He does have a history.

He just might.  Here is a link about a trial (perhaps still pending) where Ross is  defending a man who murdered a retired RCMP man here in Alberta.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/03/20140307-193845.html

snippet"

CALGARY - The lawyer for the Priddis, Alta. man charged with the murder of a retired Mountie wants a hearing to show he was legally insane at the time.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 16, 2014, 12:04:21 PM
I really don't think an insanity plea is going to fly here. This was premeditated and he planned it because he was unhappy on a business arrangement not working out well. So that was a motive, so he just can't say he went to this home, snapped and went on a mental rage and killed three people. He intended to kill two and an angel of a little boy by the name of Nathan O'Brien, made his crime worse then anyone could imagine. He is just a cold blooded killer and surely didn't look like there was any remorse in his facial expression, when they arrested him. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 16, 2014, 12:20:34 PM
I believe what is wrong with Mr. Garland, he has been living with a long time. 

For the planning and executing of the crime, I wonder if he practiced??? To get to this level of violence and confidence, he would need some test runs!

As I have stated before Mr. Garland has no conscience, he will try to shed tears, but his tears are forced. Mr. Garland right now appears on a 'low' of bipolar or manic. He probably has other personality disorders....which is very common.

His parents are probably relieved.  All their lives they listened and lived his threats and unusual behaviours. They stayed close to home, and socialized very little. Since he lived at home, he controlled the dynamics in that home. That couple probably lived a life of fear of his explosive behaviour!

I do not believe he can plead the insanity plea, because this was thought out and planned. He came prepared to do damage-to kill. He knew the right from wrong. Plus, he has covered up the evidence, hid or got rid of the bodies. So, he was clearly aware of what he was doing. I agree with you Cape!

As for getting caught, that is part of the fact he thinks we are ALL stupid, and he is the smart one. He thinks he is far more clever than LE. He thinks he is as sly as a FOX.  All part of manic behaviour, and underlying behaviours, such as narcissism.





Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 16, 2014, 01:13:50 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-douglas-garland-in-court-liknes-family-speaks-1.2708571

Nathan O'Brien case: Douglas Garland in court, Liknes family speaks

Allen Liknes is the son Alvin and he lives with Garland's sister.

This is a very long article -

Will post Allen's part of article.

The family of Kathy and Alvin Liknes and their grandson Nathan O'Brien say they appreciate the abundance of community support they have received over the past two weeks.

"It's incredibly sad, but it helps," said Allen Liknes, son of the couple who have been missing since June 30.

He was in a Calgary courtroom today for the first appearance of Douglas Garland, who has been charged with three counts of murder in the family's disappearance. He is facing two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of the couple and a second-degree murder charge in the death of their five-year-old grandson.

The remains of the victims have not been found

Victim's son has ties to suspect

Garland's sister, Patti, is in a common-law relationship with Allen Liknes. He said the vigils and search parties are really helping family members cope during this tough time.

"The family has taken strength from it," he told reporters at the courthouse.

CBC News has also learned that Garland and Alvin Liknes were involved in a patent dispute and that there was "bad blood" between them because of business dealings that had gone sour.
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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 16, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Baby wondering from your statement if you personally know this family the Garlands and if your know his parents or have reasons to know the dynamics of the house etc ? Thanks .
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 16, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
No, Eyes, I have worked with a Forensic Psychologist in regards to my Auntie's unsolved murder.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 16, 2014, 06:10:56 PM
Thanks Baby , wasnt sure as you as well knew a lot .

here is Mr LIkness son speaking after court

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-douglas-garland-in-court-liknes-family-speaks-1.2708571
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 16, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
Looks like all Searches by Airdrie residence has been called off.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-airdrie-civilian-search-called-off-over-backlash-1.2708571

Updated
Nathan O'Brien case: Airdrie civilian search called off over backlash

Organizers say they are encountering allegations of interference in police search efforts

CBC News Posted: Jul 16, 2014 9:37 AM MT| Last Updated: Jul 16, 2014 6:47 PM MT

A civilian search effort in Airdrie to help find clues in the suspected killings of Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, has been called off because of what organizers are saying is negative backlash.

Searchers had been preparing to head out for their second effort since beginning yesterday but now say those plans will not be going ahead. Organizers say criticism that their search was not allowing the family to grieve played a big role in the decision to call off the search.



Earlier this evening, there was speculation over whether the search would go ahead after CBC News learned organizers were meeting with police.

The search was given the go-ahead after that meeting but that search now appears to be off.
 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 16, 2014, 07:49:04 PM
JB....How sad, but I can understand that some people would get pretty upset of strangers going on their properties. I wonder if they go from farm to farm, and ask " them " to look on their properties, and give them a list of what to look for. As some people may not watch television, or speak English. 

I think I read somewhere, where the search could possibly be a problem (by community volunteers), yesterday.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 16, 2014, 11:29:24 PM
It would take a really big hole to hide 3 bodies.  That's a lot of digging.  By hand it would take a long time and be a lot of work.  Machinery would be easier.  Maybe they are down an old well or something of that sort.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2014, 12:42:03 AM
Looking, yes you are right about the big hole, theory. A tractor could do the trick. That is why I suggested forensics check the buckets on the tractors, and tines on the tillers.

I was thinking about how my friend who has a pressure and well system on her farm. There is two holes, which look like well holes. Side by side, in the same building. She said to me, a person could easily fall down either hole, and get hurt badly, or die. I wonder if someone has a building that is covering their water system for their farm, near the Garland's farm??? Or one on the Garland's farm.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2014, 02:52:38 AM
CBC has really explains it well about LE charging Mr. Garland, without bodies.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-how-murder-of-boy-grandparents-could-be-prosecuted-without-bodies-1.2706996
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 17, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
If there was a bad business deal previously, Garland may have panicked realizing that Liknes was leaving town and he would never have a chance to extort money from him again.  He probably had a plan to get money from him somehow that day.  Not sure it was a revenge plan.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 17, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
The media tend to focus on the invention that Mr. Liknes made and was to be used for efficiently extracting wastes from gas and oil. Apparently that invention did not work and was aborted as useless by oil and gas companies. If Garland had anything to do with that invention, what was it? Mr. Liknes patented the invention so he was the one who would lose money, not Garland.   
I suppose we won't know fully until the trial is in progress, since police have been investigating that angle and they are rightly keeping that info close to their chests. I really believe Garland had a very warped view of his importance in such matters and thinks he was failed by Mr. Liknes. Garland seems to have an excuse for all of his illegal misadventures and none are his fault according to how he thinks. He even blames a non-existent fatal accident as his reason for not making it in medical school when in fact he was kicked out for cheating on exams. Mr. Liknes was well spoken of by comrades/employees and touted as honest.  IMO Garland is quite delusional. He probably was trying to extort money from Mr. Liknes or anyone else he could. Did he ever do an honest days work in his life? He even managed to successfully bring a court case against Revenue Canada for a win for him.

eta: http://o.canada.com/news/national/blatchford-douglas-garland-person-of-interest-in-calgary-disappearance-of-boy-and-grandparents-had-troubled-history-with-law-and-mental-health-concerns-documents-reveal

Due to confidentiality clause, spokesperson for the U could not comment on reason Garland was ousted from the U.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 17, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
Getting back to the premeditation and pleading of insanity. I feel that this was definitely premeditated and I know it is a very horrible statement to make, but I believe he had two graves dug before he even went to abduct or kill the parties in their own home. I believe this is why they cannot find the victims. I can't remember the couple that was murdered in Calgary and the crime was not solved. I think this guy could be in some way connected. Maybe they will look into him as a suspect. The reason I say that is because there is a mystery around the cause of death. I believe it maybe some chemical that was used to kill that couple. Garland's lawyer has to get him to give that up. I mean how can he represent this guy. He knows he committed the crime, so let him give up where the remains are. In this day and age, another horror story. Will these senseless act of violence ever end. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2014, 07:00:15 PM
SAP...it crossed my mind, that this was the Liknes's 3rd bankruptcy claim in the past couple of years. Not saying this is a good reason, but what if Mr. Liknes borrowed funds somehow from Mr. Garland. The Garland farm may have been used as collateral for the loan. Mr. Garland may have not been paid back, for his share in the patent/dealings he had with Mr. Liknes. When Mr. Garland realized that the Likenes's were purchasing properties, etc., it probably angered him, because they had yet to settle his loan. Mr. Garland may have been agitated, and with mental instabilities, it festered into his plan to kill the Liknes's. He felt they were indebted to him. Just another scenario, but it does not justify for what he has done!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
Cape, I believe this lawyer may have been supplied to him by Legal Aid.  Is there the lawyer/client confidentiality clause? I pray Mr. Ross finds a way to get the information needed to find the bodies...but he may use it as a bargaining tool! That is why LE needs to fins the bodies, so it cannot be used as a bargaining chip!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 17, 2014, 08:48:59 PM
I wondered about that also Baba, but Garland never seemed to have meaningful employment these last years so why would someone want to borrow from him?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2014, 09:40:56 PM
SAP, maybe he didn't need to have meaningful employment if he was doing the farming with his parents on the farm. Now, I think he is an only son, with a sister so far away, he probably was going to inherit the farm.  Therefore, Mr. Garland may have borrowed money, and used the farm as collateral. Now, if Mr. Garland had to pay back the loan, because the bank had a lien on it, Mr. Garland would be perturbed...like most people. He was not happy when he heard the Liknes's were scot free, because they again claimed bankruptcy. But, he took his anger to a level normal people would not. Could Mr. Garland have also gotten a little twisted, because he thought of Mr. Liknes as a relative...and Mr. Garland felt insulted that he was not even considered of bring the first to be paid back. Now, we have to remember the Liknes's sold their house, yet never used any of the proceeds to pay him back??? Now, this is a theory, may not be fact.

Even though you can sue, you don't necessarily get your money back, if you win. (It is just a piece of paper.) You are usually the one out of pocket especially when getting lawyers, etc.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 18, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
Anything is possible Baba. I guess we have heard all we are going to be hearing until the trial. I'm sure the police are delving into all angles. Murdering someone who may owe you money is certainly a sure way not to ever get your money and will land you in jail. I don't know what to think of this apparent brainy character as all his life long he hasn't made very good choices.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 18, 2014, 11:01:25 AM
http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1098461/calgary-police-rcmp-applaud-volunteer-search-effort-but-worried-of-risks-to-triple-murder-investigation/

July 16, 2014 Updated : July 17, 2014 | 12:24 am 


Police urge against civilian searches of Airdrie fields for clues in triple murder

snippets:

Police are RCMP are applauding the intentions of civilian searchers who were due to comb Airdrie fields for a second night Tuesday for clues in an ongoing triple-murder investigation, but warn their efforts could actually harm potential evidence.

Airdrie search organizers had indicated on a Facebook page they intended to pick up scouring efforts again Tuesday evening.

But Kevin Brookwell, Calgary police spokesperson, said investigators would prefer residents only check their own properties for irregularities. He praised the “amazing” effort to aid victims’ families but said volunteers are essentially searching “blind.”


“We know what we’re looking for,” Brookwell said. “There are certain pieces to this file — certain pieces of evidence — that we specifically are looking for, and we have a pretty good idea where those items may be . . . this is the kind of information we can’t share.”


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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 18, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
Cape, I believe this lawyer may have been supplied to him by Legal Aid.  Is there the lawyer/client confidentiality clause? I pray Mr. Ross finds a way to get the information needed to find the bodies...but he may use it as a bargaining tool! That is why LE needs to fins the bodies, so it cannot be used as a bargaining chip!
The only way is if the lawyer convinces Garland to confess where the bodies are and makes some kind of a deal with the Crown. The lawyer does not have to divulge anything, because of the confidentiality clause. But I think most times lawers will try and make a deal with the accused and convince him to tell and get some kind of a deal. Awful thing, but at this point the family would just want the victims bodies to be recovered. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 18, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Taken from post 291 with link

“We know what we’re looking for,” Brookwell said. “There are certain pieces to this file — certain pieces of evidence — that we specifically are looking for, and we have a pretty good idea where those items may be . . . this is the kind of information we can’t share.”

and

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-police-say-civilian-search-teams-not-needed-1.2708571

snippet from CBC's report

In a news release put out Thursday afternoon, the Calgary Police Service says while they are grateful for the overwhelming community support of the investigation, they currently have a 30-day search plan in effect which cannot be shared outside of law enforcement.​

"Police say they are systematically searching locations that have a high likelihood of locating evidence.

On the 30 days given in law enforcements search for evidence, if I recall the crown has 30 days to hand over the evidence to the defence.  I believe that is why they will be giving an all out effort to find it, coupled with the fact the police re-arrested Garland on the property adjacent to the Garland's acreage, they may be concentrating some of their efforts in that area?  Plus, they say they have a pretty good idea as to where these items are.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 18, 2014, 06:16:57 PM
If they had a pretty good idea where they were, then why haven't they found them?  I think they need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 18, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/18/nathan-obriens-grandfather-had-petty-dispute-with-douglas-garland-over-patent-calgary-family-says/

in depth article about dispute between Garland and Alvin Liknes/jb

Sorry, but I have used up my freebies. Could someone click on article and post.
I was able to copy first few line.

Mr. Liknes paid for the work, but would not give Mr. Garland credit for the invention, said the family member, who described the dispute as “petty ..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-disappearance-could-be-connected-to-patent-dispute-1.2702103

snippet

Sources say a business deal between Liknes and Douglas Garland, who police initially called a "person of interest" in the case and was later charged with murder in connection with the deaths of the Likneses and their grandson, went sour. The collapse of the business deal led to "bad blood," police said.

Alvin Liknes had previously registered a patent for an apparatus that separates gas from water. Family members confirmed to CBC News that the patent was a sore point between Liknes and Garland, who had worked together in the past.
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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 18, 2014, 09:09:05 PM
JB and looking, I, too think if they know what they are looking for...and they know where it may be why haven't they found it yet? Sounds a little absurd, when they talk in circles!

This sounds like professional redundancy....
“We know what we’re looking for,” Brookwell said. “There are certain pieces to this file — certain pieces of evidence — that we specifically are looking for, and we have a pretty good idea where those items may be . . . this is the kind of information we can’t share.”

Just in case he thinks public/we have forgotten it means the BODIES. Like duh! They need the bodies!

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 18, 2014, 09:18:12 PM
I get the impression that only recently, have they figured out what items to look for. (forensic results are possibly still coming in) or they received some very good tips in the last few days.

They must have a very large area to search as they will be at it for 30 days!!

As reported by media, the cops picked him up at 1:30 am in the field adjacent to Garland's property.

He had been staying at Motel 8.  I wonder how far the motel is from this property? I wonder how he got there?
Did he have access to a vehicle at the motel 8, did he hitchhike, did he walk to it? Or did someone drive him there?

Items could be bodies, and cops are being coy.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 18, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
From post 295 by JB.
I don't understand why Garland would want recognition for a change to an invention that failed and was not useable. Does not make sense but none of his thinking makes sense.
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Nathan O’Brien’s grandfather had ‘petty’ dispute with Douglas Garland over patent, Calgary family says

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According to a relative of Alvin Liknes, right, Douglas Garland, left, altered one of Liknes's patents and believed he should have been included as one of the inventors. Liknes paid for the work, but would not give Garland credit for the invention, said the family member, who described the dispute as "petty."
Canadian Press // HandoutAccording to a relative of Alvin Liknes, right, Douglas Garland, left, altered one of Liknes's patents and believed he should have been included as one of the inventors. Liknes paid for the work, but would not give Garland credit for the invention, said the family member, who described the dispute as "petty."
 
The dispute was a petty one.

The grudge that may, according to family members, link Douglas Garland to the alleged murders of a Calgary couple and their grandson was over nothing more tangible than recognition.

Murder victim Alvin Liknes was a businessman and inventor who had filed several patents since the mid-‘70s. His most recent inventions focused on ways to prolong the life of natural gas and oil wells by removing water.

According to a relative of Mr. Liknes, Mr. Garland altered one of the patents and believed he should have been included as one of the inventors. Mr. Liknes paid for the work, but would not give Mr. Garland credit for the invention, said the family member, who described the dispute as “petty.”

 Calgary Police Service
Calgary Police ServiceNathan O'Brien and his grandmother Kathy Liknes in a Calgary Police Service handout photo. Police say they believe the two, as well as Alvin Liknes, are now dead, but they've yet to find the bodies.
Mr. Liknes was remembered by all who recounted him to the National Post as an likeable problem-solver — a man known for being creative and affable, but long unlucky in business. The entrepreneur can be linked to almost a dozen companies in the oil-and-gas and construction sectors over the past 20 years. Some of them focused on his patents; others on volatile resource plays in remote Northern Alberta.

Many of them dwindled into obscurity, or went bankrupt.

Mr. Liknes, his wife Kathy, and five-year-old grandson Nathan O’Brien are presumed dead, although their bodies have not been found. Mr. Garland, 54, whose sister is in a relationship with Alvin Liknes’s son, has been charged with the first-degree murder of the adults, and the second-degree murder of Nathan.

The accused has a long history with police; he was convicted of manufacturing drugs on his family’s farm near Airdrie, Alta.; he evaded capture for seven years throughout the ’90s by stealing the identity of a teenager who died in a car crash in Cardston, Alta. in 1980.

THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntosh
THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntoshFlowers and teddy bears are shown at an impromptu memorial for Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, at the Liknes home in Calgary, Alta., Tuesday, July 15, 2014.
Meanwhile, Mr. Liknes’s business dealings faced the scrutiny of police trying to find a motive for the trio’s disappearance.

The most recent business failure was Winter Petroleum Ltd., a natural gas exploration company that operated in the Rainbow Lake and High Level area. Mr. Liknes ran the company for three years until it went bankrupt days before he disappeared. Amid declining returns for natural gas, it found itself $800,000 in arrears for property taxes and penalties.

“During the last three years where Alvin was with Winter, we were having a very tough time with historic low gas prices and high operating costs and high taxes. There was no money left,” said Marek Kozera, one of the employees and directors of the firm.

However, Winter was not working with any of Mr. Liknes’s patents, he said.

Handout
HandoutKathy and Alvin Liknes.
Mr. Kozera said the reputed patent dispute between Mr. Garland and Mr. Liknes occurred “before Alvin’s joining Winter. He never mentioned [Douglas Garland] and Winter had no dealings with this man.”

Mr. Liknes was working on a patent with Vecto Resources Ltd. He listed himself as that company’s president on his LinkedIn profile, although Vecto was dissolved in 2010, according to corporate registry records.

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A similar patent was also filed jointly with Mr. Liknes and a company called Northern Pressure Systems Ltd. in 2001. One of the shareholders and directors of that company was Dick Bonnycastle, who operated Harlequin Enterprises before it was sold to the Toronto Star.

Mr. Bonnycastle told the National Post that he vaguely remembered Mr. Liknes, but the inventor hadn’t been involved with the company for about a decade. The pump was built, but never proved to be economically viable. Investment was further stalled when natural gas prices tanked in 2008. Northern Pressure Systems went dormant.


Mr. Liknes’ business problems can be traced to at least 1994, when he declared bankruptcy.

According to recently obtained files, Mr. Liknes claimed his financial misfortune was the result of a bad investment.

“I owned a company by the name of A.C.L. Resources Ltd. that lent substantial funds to related company Cherhill Resources, who in turn invested in a gold mine. Cherhill eventually went into bankruptcy. A.C.L. was unable to use the loss for tax purposes,” Mr. Liknes wrote. At the time A.C.L. owed money to Revenue Canada and was unable to pay the bill.

“I am now faced with a large tax debt personally due to a reassessment that I am unable to pay.”

THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntosh
THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntoshJennifer Kohut and her son Axton, three, place flowers and a toy at an impromptu memorial for Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, at the Liknes home in Calgary, Alta., Tuesday, July 15, 2014.
Mr. Liknes was also a majority owner of Cherhill Resources. The file showed he sold a lot on Vancouver Island for $32,000 to prop up the company. It went bankrupt shortly afterward.

Mr. Liknes’s bankruptcy was contentious.

Another item in his file showed that he was sued by a man named Harris N. Hanson, who claimed the businessman had made “material misrepresentations” that allegedly induced Mr. Hanson to advance $25,000 to Cherhill Resources Inc.

The bankruptcy file also revealed that Mr. Liknes was an employee of, and had been offered options to purchase shares in, a company called Granisko Resources Inc., which also subsequently went bankrupt.


In the ‘90s, Granisko took out junk bonds in order to finance natural gas plays; by 1995, it owed $56-million — more than its assets were worth in the face of declining natural gas prices, according to the Globe and Mail at the time.

“I thought we had a fighting chance. There was some hope that the company could work its way out of this. Unfortunately, that has proven not to be the case,” then president Jack Peltier told the newspaper.

Among Granisko’s assets as listed in Mr. Liknes’s bankruptcy proceedings were oil and gas wells in Alberta and Saskatchewan. The business operated mainly out of Rainbow and Zama Lakes in Northern Alberta.

On the weekend they disappeared, Mr. Liknes and his wife were preparing for a life of retirement. Their grandson was visiting as they held an estate sale at their home in Calgary’s Parkdale neighbourhood; they were hoping to clear out furniture before spending several months in Mexico. They then planned to settle in Edmonton.

National Post
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 19, 2014, 12:06:33 AM
Yes, JB, the LE are very reluctant to share. But, I think it is wise not to contaminate sites or evidence, so they might as well do it on their own....take a look at the Liknes's house after the estate sale. It was probably a gong show.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 19, 2014, 10:39:07 AM
http://globalnews.ca/news/1460733/douglas-garland-on-suicide-watch-as-search-for-missing-family-continues/

July 18, 2014 5:42 pm   
 
Douglas Garland on suicide watch, as search for missing family continues

By Nancy Hixt and Tamara Elliott     Global News

On Friday, dive teams scoured a pond near the acreage where Douglas Garland lives. Garland faces three murder charges in connection with the family’s disappearance.

Global News has learned that Garland is currently on suicide watch at the Calgary Remand Centre. While Alberta Justice and the Solicitor General say they can’t comment on specific cases, they do say:

“Every offender is assessed by a health care professional upon arrival. If the health care professional determines that an offender is at risk for self-harm, that individual would be placed on observation in a specialized area.”

Garland is being monitored 24 hours a day.

The Liknes and O’Brien families are still holding out hope that police will get the information they need to recover the bodies of their loved ones.

This weekend, search crews have been tasked with combing high probability locations near Airdrie.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 19, 2014, 07:33:26 PM
Maybe, They are keeping anyone from getting to him. Inmates really don't like child killers!  They need to keep him alive, so he will give up the location of the bodies...or what he did to them.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 19, 2014, 11:44:17 PM
http://globalnews.ca/news/1460733/douglas-garland-on-suicide-watch-as-search-for-missing-family-continues/

I wish I could get a closer look at the shack in the first few frames of this report!

If there was anything remotely close to what I had seen this would be it!  More in particular the size and dimensions of the area ... the body of water, the building from the body of water, and the direction from the building to the body of water. 

I know one of the first things I seen was that shack.  Why it was shown to me first I don't know.  More specifically I had seen the bottom left of the shack...the one with white trim.

Update ... when I drove up there last week I had seen this spot and could easily tell that the shack for that location was certainly not it.  Too small, colors were not right ... it just did not fit, wasn't the spot.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 20, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
Innrafeith, if you are talking about the building across the road, that one could be a house....not sure which frame. I had previously posted Google aerials for you to look. :)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 20, 2014, 01:00:20 PM
Ahhh,  I hate this.  So I had time for a drive today and it was in the forefront of my mind to drive up to the Airdrie area.  I only looked from the roads at places that might match or come close to matching what I had seen.  Meaning no getting out and waking anywhere.  I drove a handful of roads around the area of question and there is one spot that sparked my attention, more so than anywhere else.  Now I am left wondering "what now".  What do I do with it if anything.   I certainly don't want to waste anyone's time.  I rarely go down this road, in fact over the past 15 years this would only be the 3rd time that I have anything like this happened.  Bah, maybe I am just wasting my own time. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 20, 2014, 01:11:27 PM
Inrafeith, back a page you described a building in colors and sometime after that JB posted a link which described a building the same as you had visioned. It might be on the previous page ... I didn't go back and look.
It doesn't hurt and it may even help if you phoned the tipline or spoke directly to an investigating officer.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on July 20, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
I think a good place to dispose of bodies would be in the bush where the wild animals can get rid of them quickly.  A short drive to Banff?  Can't see him spending hours in a field out in the open digging that big hole.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 20, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
Well I had a post prepared of a location and pictures of a place I believe they should search if they haven't already.  Was going to post but for obvious reasons didn't.  I will have to try contacting someone tomorrow and see if they think there is any merit to this whole thing.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 20, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
Looking, there are a lot of locations like that west of Calgary. I think he put them somewhere he is familiar, with for a long time.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 20, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
Looking, there are a lot of locations like that west of Calgary. I think he put them somewhere he is familiar, with for a long time.

I agree with that!! He may of prepared the graves prior to his "visit" to the Liknes home.  A Back hoe, or something like it.

I have a question about the special aircraft that was obtained, to fly over the area.  I wonder if it has heat sensors on it?  Are there special aircraft that do?

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 20, 2014, 09:46:47 PM
Yes JB, the military have them. Were they military planes?

Oh yes, some oilfield or environmental remediation and reclamation companies may also possess cameras that do that.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 21, 2014, 07:15:28 AM
I have decided I am not going to spend anymore time on this.  I will just dump what I got on this page and let it go.  Nothing else I can really do with it anyways.  I guess the thought of having someone listen to me, such as someone on a tips line, with an "umm, ah hah, yeah right" kind of perspective is a road that I do not wish to take.

I am going to say this is like a 90 percent match to what I had seen.  A shack, tall green grass, sits much higher that the water, white trim, and even the color of the shack is reminiscent of what I had seen.  It is not wood and it is not freshly painted as these buildings are tin.  I guess it is the equivilent of quickly showing a mug shot to someone and then trying to acurately describe all the details.  This location is relatively close to Airdrie so it most likely is familiar to the accused and somewhat isolated from most viewpoints.  I will say however that the picture of the smaller shack and angle of it by itself is really quite uncanny to what I had seen.

For all I know this place has already been searched or it doesn't even have any reason to fit into the investigators existing criteria based on the evidence at hand and thus therefore has no reason to warrant a further search.  All I know is that driving by I got this strange kind of feeling, of which I will not describe, that made me take much more of an interest in this location in the first place.  Hell, for all I know I am wrong and wasted my time for nothing.

I sincerely hope the family finds the closure that they are looking for, I can't even imagine the pain that would go along with this whole ordeal.  My thoughts and prayers go out to them.

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 21, 2014, 12:14:01 PM
Innrafeith...how do you know what you are feeling is pertaining to this case? Many times(when not trained in seeing) often an amateur seer may get several seeings/intuitions/feelings/heat senses, and they belong to other cases.

Do not fret. ..but do not doubt yourself.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 21, 2014, 03:40:53 PM
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-wrap-up-search-of-garland-property-1.1923496

Police wrap up search of Garland property

Authorities have now concluded their search of the home of Douglas Garland’s parents northeast of Airdrie, after scouring the rural property for around two weeks.

Divers spent Saturday searching a pond on the property and Calgary Police say they would be teaming up with the National Research Council of Canada to conduct an aerial search.

On July 4, police first arrived at the Garland property and arrested Douglas Garland, 54, on unrelated fraud charges. They were led there after surveillance footage of a distinctive truck outside the Liknes home near the time of their disappearance was released.


Nathan O’Brien, Alvin Liknes, and Kathy Liknes have been missing since June 29.

Police officially declared them dead on July 14. Their bodies have still not been found.

Garland, the only suspect in the case, is facing three counts of murder in connection with their deaths.
 

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Innrafeith on July 21, 2014, 05:52:18 PM
Innrafeith...how do you know what you are feeling is pertaining to this case? Many times(when not trained in seeing) often an amateur seer may get several seeings/intuitions/feelings/heat senses, and they belong to other cases.

Do not fret. ..but do not doubt yourself.

It is related.  I don't doubt that at all.  You need not worry about that.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 22, 2014, 10:32:45 PM
Nathan O'Brien case: How murder of boy, grandparents could be prosecuted without bodies
Douglas Garland charged with murder of 5-year-old Nathan O'Brien and boy's grandparents
By Matt Kwong, CBC News Posted: Jul 15, 2014 3:00 AM MT| Last Updated: Jul 15, 2014 8:13 PM MT
 
Forensic investigators analyzing suspected homicides must trust that a dead body tells a story. When it comes to the Calgary slayings of five-year-old Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, constructing that murder narrative to go to trial could be more challenging without any human remains.

"The bodies of the three victims have not been found," Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson announced Monday, one day before police nevertheless brought three counts of murder against 56-year-old Douglas Garland.

Though such cases are unusual, the absence of victims' bodies does not preclude a murder charge in Canada. A prosecution can still build a solid case, retired Toronto homicide detective Dave Perry said.

"It's not really about not having a body; it's about how much evidence do they have without a body," he said.

"You don't need the body for a conviction, but every case you work on, of course you want to get everything possible in terms of evidence."

Perry noted that convicted killers Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynne McClintic, currently serving life sentences for murdering eight-year-old Tori Stafford, were arrested and charged in May 2009 — two months before the Ontario girl's remains were found and confirmed as being hers.

More can be viewed at the link.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-how-murder-of-boy-grandparents-could-be-prosecuted-without-bodies-1.2706996 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-how-murder-of-boy-grandparents-could-be-prosecuted-without-bodies-1.2706996)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 23, 2014, 06:07:02 PM
Hoping that the bodies of the three victims will be found to make this case easier for the investigators. Not having the remains, makes one wonder how Garland killed his victims. Hopefully they do have some idea of how they were killed. Great sorrow for the families of the victims. My prayers and thoughts are with them.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 24, 2014, 08:58:24 AM
I keep thinking DG the alleged suspect had time on his hands once he subdued his victims and went further than Airdrie. It would be comforting to know that people within at least 100 mile radius are checking their own fields, wells, septic tanks, dugouts, etc and any outbuildings that may not be used for anything.
Trying to think like a criminal who wants to cover his/her tracks, I wouldn't leave any bodies in my back yard ... I would drive a distance.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Baba Donya on July 24, 2014, 12:01:34 PM
Good point SAP!

...but maybe they have him(DG) returning back and forth several times during the night via security camera. Therefore, they are aticking closer. I feel they are somewhere, where he is familiar.

Although if I get back to that terrible sit com/T.V. series "Breaking Bad"....where they dissolved the body in chemicals. Could he (DG) have had several barrels?? Or could it have only taken that long to dissolve a body??? (Timing of drives from security cameras- between trips) As gruesome as this sounds, he was familiar with chemicals. What they should check into, is with DG's previous employer, and see if those compounds were used at that chemical business.

I know in farming, it is not that hard to get larger containers.

But, I agree, that theories are out there...but these bodies are where it is comfortable with him, and familiar. Maybe LE, should ask the sister if he had a special place or hideout he used to go to when he was younger. They are where he is confident, the bodies will never be found. But criminals always make mistakes!
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 24, 2014, 04:29:18 PM
I really believe there was a great plan in the works of this individual to carry out this crime. So he had in mind exactly where he was going to dispose of the bodies. He had great anger in him and violence and even when he saw the child, it did not deter what he planned to do. So I believe that he knew exactly where he was going to go with the victims. A great deal of thought went into this crime and he knew exactly where he was going to leave them.What I find unusual is that he was found after 1:00 in the morning going back to his property. How stupid did he think the police were, this guy is unreal. I believe they certainly could be on that property, but where???? Or was there other evidence he was going to dispose of which could be a weapon. I mean I believe the investigators really went over the property with a fine tooth comb. So as you say, he had time to travel anywhere. I mean he had a truck with three victims in it, so he must have travelled back roads that were in the area, places the police wouldn't normally patrol.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 24, 2014, 10:35:47 PM
Garland now being investigated into other unsolved violent crimes in the Calgary area:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/police-investigate-if-douglas-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

For some reason, I keep coming back to the couple who were murdered in Lake Bonavista back in February and I hope the investigators see if there is any link there, if they haven't already.  The peculiar thing about their case is it was at first a suspected carbon monoxide poisoning, but after autopsies were completed this was not the case.  The cause of death has never been released, but to me this says there was no violence at the scene (blood, signs of a struggle etc.) and no signs of an apparent cause of death in both victims (stab wounds, strangulation, etc.)...so what's left?  In my opinion, they were either injected with something toxic or poisoned.  Anyone can get their hands on poisonous substances, but with Garland's experience in chemicals and chemistry, it makes me go hmmm.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 25, 2014, 08:36:42 AM
CCF I would not be surprised if the police are thinking of the Bonavista couple as possibly one of the crimes. There have been other unexplained murder crimes in Calgary over the past year and there are alot of people missing/murdered in BC where he was before. He had previous assault charges with weapons in Calgary that were dropped for some reason ... likely fear on the victim's part.
One never knows with such a warped mind, what makes him tick and whom he believes ripped him off even if it didn't really happen that way. At any rate, the fact he could disappear 2 adults and a child so easily ... I doubt this was his first ... by far.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 25, 2014, 10:02:02 AM

He is presently being investigated in the murder of a young woman who went missing and her body was recently discovered in the Airdrie area by someone, 

 I did not get the name of the young woman, although her name was given
I believe she has been missing for about a year.

This was on Global Morning News this a.m.

No doubt this will hit the "papers" and we can post the link and copy the article.

I wonder also about the couple in Bona Vista. He was a manager of a coin collector's establishment.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on July 25, 2014, 10:24:12 AM
CCF, exactly as I said in an earlier post, this guy knows chemicals. It certainly is a possibility he is involved in other unsolved cases in Calgary. How does someone just turn to a killer overnight, this guy must have some violence in his past in order to carry out such a horrific crime.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 25, 2014, 12:38:40 PM
http://globalnews.ca/news/1472714/police-investigate-if-douglas-garland-has-links-to-other-violent-crimes/

I thought that I would copy and paste the article as links get lost./jb

Police investigate if Douglas Garland has links to other violent crimes

 By Nancy Hixt and Tamara Elliott     Global News

CALGARY- Police are trying to determine if the man accused in the triple murder of a missing Calgary family has connections to any other unsolved, violent crimes.

Five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents Alvin and Kathryn Liknes haven’t been seen since the end of June, when they vanished from the Liknes’ Parkhill home

Douglas Garland, 54, has since been charged with three counts of murder in the case, despite no bodies being found.

Global News has learned that investigators are now seeing if he has links to any other violent crimes, which experts say is common in cases like this.

“If you have unsolved crimes and you have no idea who might have done them, then you have an individual who you suspect is capable of doing a range of very violent actions, then it makes sense,” says forensic psychologist Dr. Perry Sirota. “There might be a fit between what this person is suspected of doing, because of course it’s alleged now and it might fit with a pattern of crimes that remain unsolved.”

One of the cases being looked at is the death of Helena Mihaljevic. The 32-year-old was found dead in a rural area near Airdrie in 2007, nearly a year after she went missing.

Garland was previously charged with drug trafficking and stolen property, and was also caught using the identity of a 14-year-old Alberta boy who was killed in a car crash.



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 25, 2014, 12:57:58 PM


We have Helena on our site. 
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=370.0

JB

Quote Post #8

While no cause of death has been determined at this point, the young woman has been deceased for two to three years, Southern Alberta RCMP spokesman Sgt. Patrick Webb said, adding that the death will be considered suspicious until investigators know the full circumstances of how she died.
"It could be homicide, it could be suicide, it could be accidental death," Webb said.

and most interestingly from Post#9

Webb said an autopsy wasn't able to determine how the woman died and or even whether she was the victim of a homicide.


All of her remains were merely bones. So consider him a suspect in her demise??
Simply because she was found in the Airdrie area?  At this late stage the law would have to be able to prove that there is a connection between her and Garland, and prove that homicide was a factor.



JB


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: CCF on July 26, 2014, 12:57:10 AM
CCF, exactly as I said in an earlier post, this guy knows chemicals. It certainly is a possibility he is involved in other unsolved cases in Calgary. How does someone just turn to a killer overnight, this guy must have some violence in his past in order to carry out such a horrific crime.  :o :o :o :o :o

From day one, my intuition and gut feelings were they are not on the acreage.  By the looks of things, Garland made a pretty hard and clever attempt to cover his tracks, except he forgot to take CCTV cameras into consideration.  He probably sincerely believed he could and would get away with this so he's not likely going to put the three bodies anywhere on or near his (parent's) property to solidly tie him to the crime.  The guy uses at least one known alias, who is to say he doesn't use more?  I'd be checking the storage companies in Airdrie and Calgary and bringing his booking photo to show to the employees to see if anyone recognizes him as a current client and go from there.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on July 26, 2014, 05:04:08 AM
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2014/07/24/gp-company-aiding-police-in-murder-investigation


GP company aiding police in murder investigation    




By Laura Booth, Grande Prairie Daily Herald-Tribune

 Friday, July 25, 2014 9:12:21 MDT AM

Calgary police have received help from the Grande Prairie company, Vieworx, in the continued search for five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, who have been missing since June 30.


Over two days last weekend, a Vieworx helicopter equipped with advanced technology that has the ability to detect small ground disturbances, scanned the Airdrie acreage police suspect the bodies of the missing may be located.

This week the company has been assisting the police in reading all of the data collected.

Greg Head, brother to Grovedale’s Mike Head who is president of Vieworx, lives in the south Calgary neighbourhood of Parkhill. Originally from the Grande Prairie area, Greg moved to Calgary in 2005 and lives next door to Nathan’s parents, Rod and Jennifer O’Brien.

“We’re neighbours and Nathan was a really good friend with my daughter Carolyn. They played hockey together and soccer - pretty much were at each other’s houses everyday,” said Greg.

When Greg realized how technologically limited the police are in their search, he decided to ask his brother for some help.

“After talking with Mike it was just very clear that there’s a very good liklihood that this technology that Vieworx has could be applied in this case and help in the search,” said Greg.

They pitched the idea to police who agreed it was something that could help them out.

“What’s unique about their technology is it can detect ground disturbances at a very, very high degree of accuracy...they use this technology called LIDAR, which has been around for a longtime but the accuracy they have is a step-change compared to, say, even what the military would have,” said Greg.

The helicopters also took high-resolution images of the search site.

Vieworx equipment is typically used to inspect pipelines, pipeline settlement, and other needs of the oil and gas industry, said Greg.

“To make it simple to understand, if you went in your backyard and dug a hole a foot-by-a-foot and you filled it back in and they flew over that area with the helicopter, they would find that,” he said.

If the bodies are on the acreage, Greg says the technology will find them

“You always hear people say, ‘Our worst fear is outliving our child,’ and you know in this case it’s even compounded. I mean, you start with June (30), Jen goes to pick up Nathan and there’s lots of blood and no one there. And that’s where it starts and then for two weeks…you have some hope and then you don’t have hope,” said Greg.

“The whole Amber Alert…that just adds to it and it gets to the point where police say, ‘OK we have enough we’re charging him with murder.’ There’s that closure but now there’s no bodies. You couldn’t inflict more pain on someone in a case of a child dying.”

Police have arrested and charged 54-year-old Douglas Garland with three counts of murder – two first degree and one second degree – in relation to the missing family.

Laura.Booth@sunmedia.ca

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 04, 2014, 09:01:14 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/18/douglas-garland_n_5601252.html


Douglas Garland faces two counts of first-degree murder and one charge of second-degree murder in the deaths of Alvin and Kathy Liknes and their grandson Nathan O'Brien.

Police escorted Garland, with his hands cuffed behind his back, into the arrest processing unit in front of the media on Tuesday evening.

Alan Pearse, chairman of the policing committee for the Criminal Defence Lawyers Association, says the long walk in front of the cameras was unnecessary and undermines the administration of justice.


He says the fact police did not stop a reporter from asking repeated questions of the accused during the walk is comparable to ``putting an arrestee in stocks in a public square and letting the public throw rotten vegetables.''

But Pat Knoll, a professor of law at the University of Calgary, says allowing members of the public to witness perp walks — perp is police shorthand for "perpetrator'' — may reassure citizens and lead to additional tips from the public.

"It demonstrates that police are doing their job and apprehending offenders,'' said Knoll. "In some instances, although a person may see a photograph or a sketch of a person, when they see them on actual news on television, that can trigger a memory.''

Pearse said it is important that no matter how horrendous the crime, people are presumed innocent until they are proven guilty in a court of law.

"What is a person that goes through this ... is innocent?'' he asked. "The perp walk makes you look guilty.''

Pearse said police should treat all accused the way they treat one of their own members when one of them is accused of a crime.

"Are you aware of an example where (a) cop (has) his hands behind his back, head is down, with two other cops on him?''

Calgary police declined comment.

The Liknes couple and their grandson disappeared three weeks ago from their home in Calgary.

Garland was soon named as a person of interest in the case. His sister is in a relationship with the couple's son and there have been media reports that he and Alvin Liknes had a dispute over a patent for a gas device.

The bodies of the trio have not been found, but Calgary's police chief has said investigators have evidence they are dead.

On Friday, dive teams scoured a pond near the acreage where Garland lived and police have said the search will continue over the weekend.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on August 04, 2014, 10:25:45 AM
Some sort of " walk of shame " ?  The severity of the crime has something to do with this no doubt.  They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't have ample evidence he murdered 3 people.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 04, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Yes, however in the eyes of defense lawyers, an alleged perp/poi is innocent until 'proven' guilty and they make their points on the handling of the case as if DG is already declared guilty by the courts.
I really wonder how hard it is for a defense lawyer to carry through on that 'innocent  until proven guilty'? Whether they really believe it or not. If they don't believe it, do they still carry on as though they do? I know I would be a very financially poor defense lawyer b/c I rush to judgement rapidly.
From what police have said, it really does look as though DG is guilty but I felt the same over the information over McCann's disappearance/?murder.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 04, 2014, 10:27:27 PM
sorry but the cops are not the judge and the jury in this case thank god and had not right to do that. We are all in Canada entitled to a fair trial
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 05, 2014, 08:58:21 AM
Actually, except for a few comments such as "at least one person may have been in a situation needing medical care" ... something to that affect ... police have been fairly tight-lipped in this case. Journalists were jumping to conclusions early on. It was also the journalists who began looking into past history on both sides and if police were doing that, they kept that pretty well to themselves. Police really gave very little info out. Also, judging by other places to read on this case, there were a large number of sensation seekers out and about on the roads around Airdrie. I have no idea what makes the general population go sight seeing in a case like this. There has not been alot of consideration for both sides of the families who are in shock and in grieving, imo. This must also be very difficult time for DG's aging parents as it is for Nathan and grandparents respective families and relatives. A lose-lose situation.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 05, 2014, 12:40:13 PM
DEVELOPING STORY CBC NEWS

http://www.cbc.ca/news

Calgary police are in Mexico as part of missing 3 probe
and-

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1117653/calgary-police-head-to-mexico-as-part-of-ongoing-liknesobrien-murder-investigation/
Updated : August 5, 2014 | 1:22 pm
 
Calgary police head to Mexico as part of ongoing Liknes/O’Brien murder investigation

Calgary police investigators have ventured to Mexico as they continue to pursue new leads in relation to an alleged triple murder.

Police believe five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes, were murdered, but their bodies have not been recovered.

Douglas Garland has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of second-degree murder in connection with the suspected deaths.

Police confirmed Tuesday that officers had ventured to Mexico and were working with local authorities but provided no further details on what had led them there or what they hoped to find.


The Liknes family has a home in Mazatlan, Mexico and Alvin and Kathryn had planned to move there, according to son Jeff Liknes.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 06, 2014, 08:28:45 AM
Thanks for the update JB. This is an interesting curve in the case.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on August 06, 2014, 03:26:26 PM
Yes, I did see the news last night that the police are investigating down in Mexico. Something has led them in that area. Could Garland be leading them on a wild goose chase???? The police made comments in their official report that they were treating this case as a homicide investigation. So they cannot tell us their evidence and it really is always a confidential file until the information comes out in court. We are lucky that our legal system is not like the US. Everytime they have a homicide, almost all of the information is leaked to the press before the case ever gets to court. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens when the accused goes to court.  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on August 06, 2014, 04:59:31 PM
Ok left field here, really left; on the first I heard of the amber alert I considered the grandparents took off with the child, even the few tidbits of media mentioning the ever so clear brown smear on the driveway thinking it was blood gave a sense of staging of course as more information was published and on the news I moved from this thought. But the investigation taking them to Mexico for murders in Canada??? This thought still sometimes surfaces as I am stumped how an individual can claim bankruptcy (multiple) and yet still own a home in another country, he had to sell the Canadian home during the bankruptcy ( to his lawyer ) why did he get to keep the Mexico home, and if he bought it recently (after the sale of Canadian home ) where did he get the money? My understanding of bankruptcy is that you cannot make tons of money after claiming, you must meet continued requirements  of how much you earn in a year or else you will be required to pay back all the debt you had washed away (Ontario maybe not out West?)

Not really sure of DG complete past nor his aquaintances, I did not read all those media reports but if DG had connections in Mexico ( he was a past cooker ( drug manufacturer) I have read ) and if he needed money and told his Mexican friends about the patent, could others be involved and taken them over two borders? Is that why they thought they were still alive early on and are now in Mexico investigating? Maybe they paraded DG so the accomplices may see him on TV and nothing to do with DG's personal case?

Otherwise what information could local Mexican police provide to this investigation?

Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 06, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
Logical, I had sort of a similar thought early on, wondering whether they left in a hurry for Mexico however would they leave with young Nathan and put the parents into such distress?
Mr. Liknes had co-patents with someone in Texas I believe I read and elsewhere in USA so Mexico isn't a far jump.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 07, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Police+Mexico+part+investigation+into+deaths+Nathan+Brien+grandparents/10091353/story.html

Police in Mexico as part of investigation into deaths of Nathan O’Brien, grandparents

By Annalise Klingbeil, Calgary Herald August 5, 2014

snippets:
Three weeks after a suspect was arrested and charged with three counts of murder in relation to a missing five-year-old Calgary boy and his grandparents, p
Police have confirmed investigators from Calgary are in Mexico in relation to the homicide investigation.

On Tuesday, a police spokesperson confirmed investigators are in Mexico in connection to the investigation but would not elaborate further.

Following Garland’s arrest, police said investigators had a 30-day plan derived from intelligence and evidence gathered during their homicide probe.

“We are systematically searching locations that have a high likelihood of locating evidence, utilizing officers from the CPS, RCMP and provincially sanctioned civilian search organizations,” police said in a written statement nearly three weeks ago.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: devlee on August 08, 2014, 09:37:44 AM
Logical, my mind goes there too.  Something has always seemed a bit off in this case.  Hopefully whatever they're looking for in Mexico will give solid leads on what happened.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 11, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
More info- This is from a mover called in to remove items from the Liknes home.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1492641/search-for-missing-calgary-family-moves-to-mexico/

quote:
"Neighbours say furniture was moved out of their Parkhill home recently.

“The moving truck was here and I came over to talk to the man, and he said ‘would you like to see the inside of the house?'” says Al, who didn’t want to give his last name. “He showed me around, and I noticed that rug was picked up and there was a lot of cleaning on the wall.

“The reason he was here, in his words, were the sale didn’t go that well and he was moving this stuff out.”

Police aren’t saying when the investigators left, or where they went. However, they did confirm that there were ongoing searches in the Calgary area over the long weekend.

unquote
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: cana_nomad on August 13, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Ok left field here, really left; on the first I heard of the amber alert I considered the grandparents took off with the child, even the few tidbits of media mentioning the ever so clear brown smear on the driveway thinking it was blood gave a sense of staging of course as more information was published and on the news I moved from this thought. But the investigation taking them to Mexico for murders in Canada??? This thought still sometimes surfaces as I am stumped how an individual can claim bankruptcy (multiple) and yet still own a home in another country, he had to sell the Canadian home during the bankruptcy ( to his lawyer ) why did he get to keep the Mexico home, and if he bought it recently (after the sale of Canadian home ) where did he get the money? My understanding of bankruptcy is that you cannot make tons of money after claiming, you must meet continued requirements  of how much you earn in a year or else you will be required to pay back all the debt you had washed away (Ontario maybe not out West?)

Not really sure of DG complete past nor his aquaintances, I did not read all those media reports but if DG had connections in Mexico ( he was a past cooker ( drug manufacturer) I have read ) and if he needed money and told his Mexican friends about the patent, could others be involved and taken them over two borders? Is that why they thought they were still alive early on and are now in Mexico investigating? Maybe they paraded DG so the accomplices may see him on TV and nothing to do with DG's personal case?

Otherwise what information could local Mexican police provide to this investigation?

Logical

I don't think this is out of left field at all.  It would actually make sense to take the grandson if they thought their lives were in danger.  Mexico could very well be where they were killed.  I don't foresee one person driving three bodies out of two countries undetected by Customs.  That being said, I also don't see how Gardner could have gone to Mexico either.  No way he would have gotten into the U.S.- I am with you there.  So the staging part could well have happened to lead investigators off track.

The other possibility is that not all three were taken at the same time. 

Think about it- if the grandfather has all these connections, could he not have taken off first?   
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on August 13, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
The other possibility is that not all three were taken at the same time. 

Think about it- if the grandfather has all these connections, could he not have taken off first?   

End quote - good points cana_nomad

Hmm never went there in my thoughts, but did consider Grandpa did it alone, may have hurt wife during an argument, then took off with the grandson as he did not know what to do next? I read one media report stating LE thought one was deceased early on and now looking for only two. 

But if it was all staged and they did separate to meet up in Mexico, the amber alert was not helpful as we all were looking for middle aged couple and a young child not a single woman or man and child.

But I have not read whose blood was found in the home, was it hers, his or Nathan's?

Unfortunately with these types of investigations everyone involved has their life history dissected by the media and public, and Mr. Liknes historical review does not come across totally favourable, he has attempted to start many a business that has failed, attempts at patents where the product did not meet expectations - one product sold and then did not work. All of these dealings could easily bring unfavourable business partners into play. How many businesses did he start up and fail, how many people are out money from his failures? He seemed to know how to go bankrupt and then open a new business easily, it can be interpreted as "he felt he was untouchable" oh well about the investors debt that was washed away, I have a clean slate and owe nothing to anyone, what can I try next. I think dreamer and maybe without a conscious of others, tunnel vision to achieve and finally win without failure. Not much different than Garland and his need to be on the patent (personality wise).

Another question, do we know if all is happy in the family unit of Nathan and his parents, did they take him to protect him ( maybe someone made up a story that Nathan was being abused? Why did only he go with Mom to the estate sale, where were his siblings, why did he spend the night, did he fall asleep so he was left there?)  could be innocent enough that he had fallen asleep and not to wake him, but if Grandparents were in the middle of a move and very busy would they keep him overnight that night, Mom showed up at 10am, did she call first or was it planned to pick up Nathan at 10? You would think that Mom of Nathan would have called in the am to see how the night went, how he woke up; was he asking for her, or was it planned he was spending the night all along? Did he have PJs on? I do not recall what clothing the amber alert said to look for.

Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 14, 2014, 11:05:19 AM
Looks like law enforcement are still gathering substantial evidence to present to the prosecutors.  What evidence can be found in Mexico?  I wonder. Perhaps it has something to do with that condo?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-murder-case-douglas-garland-appears-in-court-1.2736193

Updated
Nathan O’Brien murder case: Douglas Garland appears in court

Garland, 54, accused of killing boy, 5, and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes

The man accused of killing five-year-old Nathan O'Brien and the boy's grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, made a brief court appearance in Calgary Thursday morning via closed-circuit TV. 

Douglas Garland, 54, was charged last month with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of second-degree murder.
■Douglas Garland charged with murder of Nathan O'Brien, Kathy and Alvin Liknes

The boy and his grandparents disappeared at the end of June from a house in southwest Calgary. Their bodies have not been recovered.

Garland said nothing as Crown lawyers told a judge they are still awaiting a substantial amount of evidence to be disclosed by Calgary police.

The case was put over again until Sept. 17. Garland last appeared in court via video link on July 16, at which time the case was adjourned until today because Crown prosecutors were still waiting for police evidence disclosure.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 15, 2014, 08:50:49 AM
Odd that there is evidence in Mexico. DG didn't have a way to get the 3 to Mexico in such short time unless he had a group of accomplices, imo.
Are all the light planes accounted for?
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 15, 2014, 11:36:34 AM
UPTDATED NEWS ON LIKNES FAMILY AND D GARLAND. Updated : August 14, 2014 | 4:49 pm

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1126549/court-appearance-for-missing-persons-suspect/

Snippets:

About LIKNES FAMILY

CALGARY – A friend says relatives of a missing five-year-old boy and his grandparents are “shattered” weeks after the three disappeared and are presumed to have been murdered.

Cherri Hodgins was in court Thursday for a brief appearance by Douglas Garland via closed-circuit TV. Garland, 54, is charged with two counts of first-degree and one of second-degree murder in the deaths of Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

“It’s important to know that the family is absolutely shattered,” Hodgins said outside court. “While we appreciate all the support we’ve received across the country, we’re still continuing to fundraise and there are some fundraising accounts open.

“They need all of our support across the country and from tragedy we are trying to do something positive.”

Hodgins said the trust fund, set up at CIBC, is essential to help the family cope.

“I think it’s essential because … Kathy and Alvin have six children. They had 12 grandchildren and the family is in pieces,” she said.

“Nobody is working and nobody can get back to normalcy. It’s going to take a long time for us to be able to recover.”

and about GARLAND's CASE

A hard drive with evidence is to be provided to the defence next week.

“There’s a fair bit of materials for him to go through. As you can appreciate from the number of resources that were used by the police, when every officer has to generate notes, that generates materials that have to be disclosed,” said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker.

“It is voluminous and we’re continuing to get the lab results back as well.”

The Crown expects a three-week preliminary hearing will be scheduled for between six and eight months from now.

Parker said the Crown will meet with the families in the next few weeks to keep them up to date.

“It’s critical just from a human standpoint making sure they understand what’s happening. It’s a confusing time on so many levels for them and, if we can help explain the court process, then that’s helpful.”

Defence lawyer Kim Ross said he has only spoken briefly with his client.

“He’s doing as good as can be expected in this situation. He’s anxious to see the disclosure also,” he said.

“Hopefully when we get that next week we can start moving this forward.”

Ross said a decision on whether to seek bail or a psychiatric assessment won’t be made until after he’s had a chance to review the evidence.




Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on August 22, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
I really thought about why the Calgary police would go to Mexico - specifically to the condo owned by the Likness family.
I wonder if it was for the very simple reason to check out if the Liknes fled to that area.  Very simple - but necessary to tie up any loose ends, to combat any possible defence lawyer's insinuations during trial.

That makes sense to me.

Jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on August 23, 2014, 08:53:59 AM
The accused should not get bail at any time until the Preliminary hearing. Anyone charged in a disappearance and possible homicide should never be let out on bail. I mean the last time he was supposed to be on curfew and was found prowling around his own property at 1:00 a.m. This guy is a danger to the public. The missing three may never be found. This guy obviously had the premeditated act in his mind and knew where he was going to dispose of his crime and the evidence. The police should be looking at off roads that could be taken within about a 30 mile radius of the home. Could he have driven even into another province and disposed of the bodies????? How many miles would he have to go to do that? The police surely have their work cut out for them. This guy doesn't seem to have a conscience. Let us all say a silent prayer that there will be information come forth very soon to know what has happened to these three family members. God bless those left behind, it has to be a torture for them every day of the week. I mean we can sit here in our chairs and write words, but the anxiety and pain has to be so unending for the members of the family left to wonder every night as they go to sleep, where are they????? Prayers once again to find those three family members. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on August 23, 2014, 06:22:09 PM
Any ACCUSED person should have a chance to request for bail, they have only been arrested and charged not yet found guilty in a court of law. Regardless if you as many are in the opinion that the defendant is guilty they are not until the courts say so. The law is structured to Try to be fair to all citizens, not to give police and prosecutors the rights to lock up any and all they "feel" are the guilty parties. We the people have rights to freedom and fair prosecution by courts of law and our peers, not media reports.

If the prosecution has enough evidence to have bail revoked then great, if not how can you say that they still have a right to withdraw his freedom?

Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on August 25, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
Logical, I agree with the law, having worked in the court system for years. But the accused at this time should not be allowed on bail. He was ordered already to stay away from his property, but did not obey the order. So this guy should have a beeper on him or a bracelet or something. It will be too late if another person goes missing and they suspect him. I surely wouldn't want  him living next door to me, would you???? Just a thought.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on August 25, 2014, 11:11:32 AM
I really thought about why the Calgary police would go to Mexico - specifically to the condo owned by the Likness family.
I wonder if it was for the very simple reason to check out if the Liknes fled to that area.  Very simple - but necessary to tie up any loose ends, to combat any possible defence lawyer's insinuations during trial.

That makes sense to me.

Jb

That was also in my thoughts at times JB. There has also been talk that Mexico is where DG's parents were when the police had been doing their investigations on the Garland property however I believe this was not confirmed as fact.
Then there is the fact finding such as the Hollandale police did in Toronto when the couple were murdered in Hollandale, Florida. What did they gain in Toronto? What did Calgary investigators gain in Mexico?

Then there are those doubts ...  owning all those properties when there have been so many bankruptcies. DG had wanted his name on a patent that flunked as workable/usable for what it was intended. That doesn't make sense. I can't see that as being a trigger for violence against the family. I just have feelings there is much more to that all.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 04, 2014, 06:45:39 PM
This broke my heart , holding funeral for the little guy

http://globalnews.ca/news/1544568/grieving-family-says-final-farewell-to-superhero-nathan-obrien/
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on September 07, 2014, 02:10:22 PM
Really did not want to post this but it is nagging me, I am really surprised that they are holding memorials for Nathan and next week the grandparents? This is really fast if they have no proof they are deceased? All media statements state that LE surmise they were murdered! but have no clue how or where. Most other families in this situation hold on to all hope and would not say goodbye with a memorial unless they were 100% sure! it has not been more than 3 months.  Yes that is a long agony 3 months but to give up all hope, do they know more than we do? Or is this the quickest way to get a death certificate - without a body, or even proof of death? The funeral home registers the death and produces the death certificate. For funeral or memorial services.


http://www.victoriahospice.org/planning-ahead/planning-funeral-or-memorial-service

Do the grandparents or Nathan have life insurance? A death certificate is required to claim I would assume?

Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on September 07, 2014, 03:39:41 PM
Personally, I feel that they have accepted what law enforcement has said to them, thus the memorial.  The article says funeral, but we know that one needs a body, or ashes in order to have a formal funeral.

Perhaps this family needs some closure - a time to acknowledge that they have lost Nathan and need time to truly grieve their loss.

We do see many parents and family members, holding off on these types of things until remains are found.  Sadly, not all families ever have their answers - and some closure is never achieved. I guess each family deals with it in their own way, as there is no correct way or wrong way........................
Perhaps  the remains of these three people may never be located, and perhaps law enforcement have told them how slim their chances are in recovering their bodies?

Brett McCann was also in touch with the family when the three went missing, perhaps he gave them advice?

In the McCann's case a letter from the RCMP stating that in all likelihood the couple are dead, was given to the courts.

This is how the McCann's handled it - in order to close the elderly couples affairs.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2011/07/27/alberta_couple_missing_for_more_than_a_year_declared_legally_dead.html



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on September 07, 2014, 09:01:27 PM
Thank you JB, this is most likely as you say. And if DG is a chemist, then maybe no bodies can be found if they have already been dissolved.this would be where the mountains of evidence they feel they have could be from articles and ingredients found. Leading to a forgone conclusion.

I just keep wishing it is a hoax and the three are in Mexico.

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on September 08, 2014, 03:33:40 PM
I do believe the police have gave credible information to the children of the couple and about the son that disappeared also. I do believe this will help them to in some way accept the fact they are gone. The bodies may never be found, because the police may not want to reveal how they believe he disposed of the bodies. My thoughts and prayers to the one's left behind in this senseless act of violence. The world is full of monsters and we don't know when the next one will appear and commit another horrific crime.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on September 09, 2014, 10:16:20 AM
I think he buried them in the mountains.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on September 09, 2014, 12:56:04 PM
I think he buried them in the mountains.

Really why do you think that, that would require a lot of evidence to point to that matter of disposal? And if they have evidence of him in the mountains, they would need to search and I think find a body to have such a confident stance that they are gone, no? The LE have made statements that they have a lot of evidence that leads to no other outcome but death and can prove this, but they do not have human remains to show this proof, I just think that is harder to prove and convince the family to accept they are gone.

Just curious to see your line of thought on why he would go to the mountains?

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on September 09, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Good thought Looking.  the mountains are not very far from Calgary.
Lots of very deep gullies, and cliffs without any civilization living at the bottom.
But, his brother in law said that his truck was not in very good shape, contrary to the initial police observation from the cameras.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on September 09, 2014, 08:44:15 PM
I think it would be too difficult to get enough chemicals and containers to dissolve the bodies, without leaving some trace or paper trail.
The prairies are so open, I just can't see him digging forever without cover.  It's just so easy to make a body disappear in the bush.  I'll bet more people go missing from BC than Alberta.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Logical on September 10, 2014, 05:21:28 PM
Hi Looking, I see why you envision that, I am not familiar with the area from ground view, only internet and the two are not the same observation. Your view is based on knowledge to the terrain and visuals of the area. Thank you.

Where do you believe he killed them and how? You think he could have buried them in the mountains, do you think the murder happened there or at the home or somewhere else, DG is a little guy compared to Mr Liknes, even to Mrs. Liknes he is small, he overtook these two and a young child who pretended to be a superhero everyday of his life? How?

 And first degree x 2 and second degree x 1, ok he had a plan for two adults, what happens to that plan when you add a third, a child? Do you alter the plan, take longer to execute but stick to original plan?

The child being there may have skewed the original plan?

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: looking on September 11, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
Perhaps the child being there helped, in that he was able to get the adults to willingly get into the vehicle by threatening the life of the child. I wonder if he went there for revenge or extortion.  Don't think he killed them there.  It would have been hard to get all bodies into the vehicle without being noticed, although if they were alive or dead, how did he transport them without anyone seeing anything?
The threat of a gun or knife to the head of the child might keep both adults from alerting any passing vehicles.  I think he panicked after hearing the couple was leaving the country and went there in a crazy state of mind.  Things got out of hand when he was surprised by the child's presence.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on September 11, 2014, 11:21:05 AM
You have a point there, Looking ... that he could have used the child as leverage, however disturbing that sounds. A crazed mind would/could do that.

As far as we know and as far as all media reports, neighbors didn't hear or see anything ... How often do people get involved when they see violence next door? When they have no clue what is happening, and how many perpetrators there are, how willing would one be to call police?

Example: Dylan Koshman/Edmonton: Much violence there and no one called police. Neighbors only spoke briefly after the fact and Dylan has never been found.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on September 11, 2014, 02:28:55 PM
I personally think that Nathan would be in bed sleeping, and if Dg had arrived earlier,  Nathan knew that his "uncle" was there, and Nathan had to become a victim, as he was a potential witness.  DG in my view, did not expect the child to be there, but he was so enraged, in his sick mind - he felt that he had no other choice. Murder the Liknes and destroy the potential finger pointing witness.

To my mind, it is as simple as that!

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on September 24, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-murder-case-douglas-garland-appearance-draws-gasps-in-courtroom-1.2768976


Nathan O’Brien murder case: Douglas Garland appearance draws gasps in courtroom

Garland accused of killing 5-year-old boy and his grandparents Kathy and Alvin Liknes

CBC News Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:23 AM MT| Last Updated: Sep 17, 2014 6:08 PM MT

Douglas Garland, the man accused of killing five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents Kathy and Alvin Liknes, kept silent and hung his head as he appeared in a Calgary courtroom today.


The boy and his grandparents disappeared at the end of June from a house in southwest Calgary. Their bodies have not been found.

Garland, 54, was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of second-degree murder.

Garland hung his head as he entered. He never spoke and didn't look at the victims' family members seated in the gallery.

CBC News earlier learned there were soured business dealings between Garland and Alvin Liknes, including a patent dispute.

Garland, whose sister is in a common-law relationship with Alvin Liknes’s son, was arrested on July 14 following an extensive search of a property north of Calgary that is owned by Garland's parents.

During Garland’s last court appearance in August, Crown lawyers said there was still a substantial amount of evidence to be disclosed to defence counsel, prompting the judge to put over the case until this month.

The Crown expects to have all case files ready by the end of the year, and should have all lab results from evidence collected by police at that point.

"We've been through a large bulk of it, but I understand there's still a lot more that's going to come. I understand that we won't have full disclosure until sometime later in November, early December," said defence lawyer Kim Ross.

Preliminary trial set for May

The evidence against Garland will include statements from civilians and police officers, and the forensic evidence that led to the charges.



Civilian search crews comb through a field in Airdrie July 15 as part of the community's effort to find Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, who police say are presumed dead.
Jennifer Kohut and her son Axton, three, place flowers and a toy at an impromptu memorial for Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents at the Liknes home in Calgary.
Douglas Garland is escorted into a Calgary police station July 14 and is expected to face three murder charges.
Calgary Police Chief Rick Hanson says first- and second-degree murder charges are being filed in connection with the disappearance of Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents at a news conference in Calgary on July 14.
Rod O'Brien, right, and Jennifer O'Brien, centre, attend a candlelight vigil for their missing son July 10. Police now believe Nathan O'Brien, five, and his grandparents Alvin and Kathryn Liknes have been murdered.
Nathan O'Brien, centre, and his grandparents Kathy and Alvin Liknes have not been seen since Nathan's mom left the Likneses' home on June 29.
Nathan O'Brien's grandparents held an estate sale at this home shortly before all three went missing, police say.
A photo collage of the Liknes and O'Brien family is displayed as neighbours, friends and relatives hold a candlelight vigil on July 10.
An RCMP officer and his dog search a field northeast of the acreage belonging to Douglas Garland's parents near Airdrie, Alta., on July 7.
Police officers probe the Spyhill landfill site for clues, a move officers described as 'standard procedure.'
The ground search for missing Nathan O'Brien, 5, and his grandparents is being called 'one of the most intense searches' ever done in Calgary.
'We can now confirm that a violent crime happened in that residence,' said Calgary police Staff Sgt. Doug Andrus.
A portrait of the O'Brien family from Rod O'Brien's Facebook page.
Rod and Jennifer O'Brien made an emotional plea to their son Nathan O'Brien, asking him to stay strong, in front of media, while the case was still considered a missing persons investigation.
Nathan O’Brien was last seen wearing peach-coloured shorts and a blue striped hoodie, say police.
This green Ford truck was part of the investigation into the disappearance of three Calgary family members June 29.


















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At Wednesday's hearing, a provincial court docket judge set a preliminary trial date for May next year.

"I like the idea of a preliminary inquiry, it gives us a chance to test drive some of the evidence — make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work," said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker. "It gives us more time to make sure we're ready once the jury trial is slated to go."

The Crown won't say when an actual trial could take place or how long it would run.

Bail application possible, says lawyer

Calgary police aren't commenting on the investigation or efforts to locate the victims' bodies because, they say, the matter is before the courts. But Parker said the search should still be on.

"We always want the investigation to continue on an ongoing basis, all the way through, in any case," he said.

Garland will remain in custody, but his lawyer is not ruling out a possible bail application.

"I'm still going through the disclosure, we'll make decisions once I get through all that and get instructions from my client," said Ross.


Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Concerned on December 09, 2014, 08:00:40 PM
Blessings to William Neisler, of North Carolina, for his warm heart and generosity to Nathan and his family. Nathan's family are so humble and gallant. What a wonderful gesture for these parents to help other children in honor of Nathan.


Parents of Nathan O'Brien establish charity: 'We're exchanging grief for hope'

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:23PM EDT

The parents of a five-year-old Calgary boy who disappeared in June have set up a new charity to honour his memory.

Four months after Nathan O’Brien vanished, along with his grandparents, his parents have established the Nathan O’Brien Children’s Foundation with the help of a man in North Carolina who was touched by the family’s tragic story.

The five-year-old had been staying over with his grandparents, Alvin and Kathy Liknes, on the weekend the trio went missing. Their disappearance prompted a massive search.

Though their bodies have never been located, Nathan and his grandparents are presumed dead. Douglas Garland has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one charge of second second-degree murder in connection with their deaths.

The family says they want to help their son’s spirit live on by helping other children fulfill their dreams.

Nathan’s father, Rod O’Brien, says the endowment fund is also an opportunity for his family to heal.

“We’re exchanging grief for hope, and we’re moving forward as a family, we’re reinventing ourselves,” Rod O’Brien said in an interview with CTV Calgary.

Many people were touched by the tragedy, including William Neisler, of North Carolina, who reached out to the family. Neisler has donated $1 million to establish the charitable foundation.

“Just seeing the picture of Nathan; that innocent, angelic face of his,” Neisler said. “It just tugged at my heart.”

Neisler said Nathan’s parents “just don’t want to mourn” their son for the rest of their lives.

“They want to move beyond that and do something positive in his memory,” Neisler said.

The O’Briens will choose charities each year and give grants with the interest earned on the $1 million.

The gifts will benefit disadvantaged children with a focus on health, safety and sports.

“This charity is helping lift us up and our charities of choice,” Nathan’s mother, Jennifer O’Brien said. “So together, I think it’s a really beautiful thing.”

Registered in North Carolina, the charity’s incorporation documents said the foundation is “committed to honouring the memory of Nathan O’Brien and his legacy of compassion and kindness by helping improve the lives of children … giving them the opportunity to live, hope and pursue their dreams.”

Rod O’Brien calls the charity “a miracle.”

“Most people never get this opportunity that’s been granted to us to do something for our son Nathan in his name.”

With a report by CTV’s Bill Mcfarlane

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/parents-of-nathan-o-brien-establish-charity-we-re-exchanging-grief-for-hope-1.2077733
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on March 31, 2015, 10:56:12 AM
The link did not work for me. I found another article. Garland's trial starts in May.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-case-police-search-for-evidence-on-douglas-garland-s-property-1.3014212

Calgary police once again searched for evidence on the property of the man accused of murdering Nathan O'Brien, 5, and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

It's unclear what led police back to Douglas Garland's property, but investigators were seen on Sunday taking photos and loading what looked like boxes into unmarked vans at the rural property northeast of Airdrie, AB.

Nathan O'Brien Alberta acreage search wraps up
Douglas Garland charged with murder of Nathan O'Brien, Kathy and Alvin Liknes
Plainclothes and uniformed officers, including members of the tactical team, combed through the property all day. They also searched the area and buildings around the home.

Neighbours say Garland's parents have been living in their home since police held it for several weeks back in the summer.

Kathryn Liknes, Nathan O'Brien and Alvin Liknes
Nathan O'Brien, centre, and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, have not been seen since Nathan's mom left the Likneses' home the night of June 29. (Calgary Police Service)

"Everybody is just looking for some conclusion in this," said Jim Nevada, who lives nearby. 

"[Police] were here for what, almost two months? It was crazy around here and we were just finally starting to get back to normal."

The RCMP were also on the scene.

Police said investigators were searching the property to collect additional evidence to support the upcoming court case. They do not have any new information about the family's location.

Nathan and his grandparents were last seen at a home in the southwest Calgary community of Parkhill on June 29, 2014. Their bodies have not been recovered, but Calgary police say evidence indicates all three are dead.

Alta Missing Grandparents 20140714
Douglas Garland is escorted into a Calgary police station in connection with the disappearance of Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents in Calgary, Alta., Monday, July 14, 2014. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntosh (Jeff McIntosh/Canadian Press)

Garland was arrested and charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of second-degree murder last July.

As the search for answers on and around the Garland property continues, Nevada said the neighbourhood remains on edge and is saddened by the whole situation.

"I feel sorry for both sides … that kid seemed pretty special."

Garland's preliminary trial is set to begin in May.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on May 20, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
Preliminary hearings for Douglas Garland begins.

http://globalnews.ca/video/2006584/preliminary-hearing-begins-for-douglas-garland
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on May 20, 2015, 08:18:12 PM
This link also has the timeline included.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-murder-case-douglas-garland-s-preliminary-inquiry-begins-in-calgary-today-1.3078348

A Calgary judge is hearing details about the alleged 2014 murders of five-year-old Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, for the first time, as a preliminary inquiry for accused Douglas Garland gets underway today.

The courtroom is full of family and friends of the victims and the accused. Garland is in the prisoner's box, legs shackled and looking thinner than he did a year ago.

All the evidence being presented to provincial court Judge Bob Wilkins is protected by a publication ban.

Nathan O'Brien case: Police search for evidence on Douglas Garland's property
TIMELINE: Nathan O'Brien case: What we know
Garland faces two counts of first-degree murder, in the case of the grandparents, and one count of second-degree murder linked to Nathan's death. The first-degree charges indicate investigators think there was planning involved in the homicides.

garland sketch
Douglas Garland appeared in court Tuesday guarded by a sheriff as he sat in the prisoner's box with his legs shackled. (Janice Fletcher )

Garland has connections to the family — he had past business dealings with Alvin Liknes, and Garland's sister was the common-law spouse of Alvin Liknes's son, Allan Liknes.

The victims' families are expected to be represented in court. Rod O'Brien has been present at every court appearance, with Allan Liknes often accompanying him.

Missing: a timeline

Alvin and Kathy Liknes held an estate sale over the weekend of June 27, 2014, in preparation for their move to Edmonton. The O'Brien family was at the home helping out.

On June 29, a last-minute plan was made for Nathan to stay for a sleepover with his grandparents. When his mother, Jennifer O'Brien, returned the next morning, nobody was home. That evening, police issued an Amber Alert.

Civilian search crews comb through a field in Airdrie July 15 as part of the community's effort to find Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, who police say are presumed dead.
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Police confirmed on July 4 that there was blood found in the grandparents' home and that a violent incident had taken place.

Garland was taken in for questioning the next day and officers began their extensive search of the Airdrie, Alta., acreage he shared with his parents.

Police asked property owners near the Garlands' Airdrie property to search their acreages, looking for anything that appeared out of place.

Police also scoured several fields near Airdrie, sent divers into a pond and spent days at three local landfills.

More than 200 officers were involved in massive searches for Nathan and his grandparents. Police also followed up on about 1,000 tips from the public but the three were never found.

Family connection

Since Garland was named a person of interest in the investigation, the community has been searching for answers as to what might have motivated him.

Nathan wasn't supposed to be at the Liknes's home that Sunday night. It was a last-minute decision to have a sleepover at his grandparents' home following their estate sale.

Family and business connections could provide some answers. Garland knows Nathan's grandparents because his sister was in a common-law relationship with Allan Liknes.

There was bad blood between Alvin Liknes and Garland following a business relationship that went sour.

Liknes had previously registered a patent for an apparatus that separates gas from water. Family members confirmed to CBC News the patent was a sore point between Alvin Liknes and Garland.

A junior gas company that was owned by Alvin Liknes, Winter Petroleum, went bankrupt near the end of June, just days before Nathan and his grandparents went missing. It's unclear if Garland had any connection to that business.

Douglas Garland

Garland`s criminal history includes drug trafficking and possession of stolen property convictions, after he was caught making amphetamines on his parents' Airdrie acreage in 1992.

After failing to appear at court in 1992 for drug charges, the then 33-year-old Garland disappeared.

A document from the Tax Court of Canada indicates Garland was later discovered living under Matthew Kemper Hartley's stolen identity in Vancouver.

Hartley was a 14-year-old Alberta boy killed in a car crash in 1980.

The same document says Garland suffers from attention deficit disorder and had attended medical school in Alberta for one year before suffering a mental breakdown.

Garland told the court at the time he had been traumatized after causing what he described as a horrific accident after falling asleep behind the wheel.

After he was discovered living in Vancouver, Garland returned to Calgary and pleaded guilty to several of the charges in connection to the drug bust and stolen identity, while the others were dropped.

Last year, before being charged with murder, Garland was charged and released on bail for identity theft, again connected to Hartley.

It was days after that he was arrested in a field near his rural Airdrie acreage.

The court process

Though Nathan and his grandparents were missing for two weeks before police laid murder charges, a court document shows investigators believe they died on June 30, the day they were reported missing by Nathan's mother.

A preliminary inquiry gives the lawyers an opportunity to test their evidence.

With no bodies and likely no eyewitnesses, forensic evidence gathered at the Liknes's home as well as the Garland property will be at the heart of this case.

"I like the idea of a preliminary inquiry. It gives us a chance to test drive some of the evidence — make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work," said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker in a previous interview.

"It gives us more time to make sure we're ready once the jury trial is slated to go."

Garland's lawyer, Kim Ross, says the case involves the most significant amount of disclosure he has ever seen.

The inquiry is set for two weeks. After that, the provincial court judge will rule on what charges Garland will face at trial.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on May 21, 2015, 09:38:58 AM
Quote
Garland's lawyer, Kim Ross, says the case involves the most significant amount of disclosure he has ever seen.

No bodies, no weapons, yet prosecutor has lots of evidence of which it sounds like they have disclosed everything to the defence lawyer.  They are not holding back anything. Perhaps they want to make sure that there will be no stone unturned when presenting evidence to judge or jury or any opportunity to have a retrial.???

jb

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on May 21, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
I don't know what to expect in this case and I wonder what they do have as evidence that ties Garland to the murders when the remains have not been found. This strikes me similar to the McCann's case and look what is happening there.
This guy should not be out and around in society in my opinion from what we know of him. To him there is no abiding to any laws and makes him more dangerous b/c he is also highly intelligent imo.
I hope the evidence is real strong b/c it looks as though he will not be talking at all. 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on May 21, 2015, 01:15:28 PM
I feel terrible for the whole family.  Both sides.  I especially feel terrible for his sister, who is connected to, I believe, one of the Liknes son's.  I hope that there are no quiet resentments held against her. She must be living in a very awkward place in all of this...

Everytime Garland is mentioned by the media, they give the link to his family by way of his sister's relationship to the Liknes family.  I wish they would back off a bit.

She is not responsible for her brother's behaviour.

JB
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on May 21, 2015, 01:24:32 PM
I agree with that JB. Perhaps media should be told to lay off the continual mentioning. Everyone knows by now regarding the family relationships and if they don't, they can read up on all the material on the Net.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on May 21, 2015, 03:54:47 PM
I believe that the police are watching him all the time. They have to be, I can't imagine them letting him out. I believe they are watching to see if he goes back to the scene of the crime or tries to destroy evidence. Remember they did let him out and arrested him when he went back to his property, he was not allowed to go there. A real creep, a very dangerous crazy individual.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jobo on May 21, 2015, 04:40:18 PM
The above posted news article says that Rod O'Brien is attending every court appearance, sometimes accompanied by Allan Liknes. 
It's too bad the authorities have not found the three victims...he needs to talk..
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
Well this article gives more info. It wasn't known before that Jennifer walked through the house when she went to pick up Nathan the morning after the sleepover. This is heart wrenching!

http://globalnews.ca/news/2091393/police-believed-liknes-couple-nathan-obrien-likely-murdered-within-1st-hours-of-investigation/

CALGARY – Gruesome details of blood stains and drag marks found at the home of Alberta grandparents Alvin and Kathy Liknes on June 30, 2014 were released to the public for the first time this week. An affidavit filed by police states officers believed the couple and their five-year-old grandson, Nathan O’Brien, were “likely murdered” within hours of the investigation.

The disappearance of O’Brien sparked the longest Amber Alert in Canadian history.  Calgary police referred to the case as a “missing persons investigation” until July 15, when then-54-year-old Douglas Garland was charged with murdering the couple. Garland was eventually charged with three counts of first-degree murder in all three deaths. No bodies were ever found.

READ MORE: Timeline – Missing Calgary family Nathan O’Brien, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes

The affidavit is from the day Jennifer O’Brien returned to her parents home to pick up her son from a sleepover. According to the affidavit, O’Brien called police and said there was “blood everywhere” and that she believed her mom, dad and son had been murdered.

Homicide unit Det. Dave Sweet filed the affidavit. It contains details he received from Const. Trevor Matthes and Const. Tim Callaghan, two officers who were part of the first response to O’Brien’s call.

Officers noticed blood on the stairs leading up to second floor, including blood in both upstairs bedrooms. The document said there were drag marks in blood “consistent with a person(s) being dragged out the side door of the home and then north along the residences sidewalk.”

“Officers also located a dumbbell with blood staining on it located in a corner of the garage and bloody footprints leading into the garage,” reads the report.

Sweet’s affidavit concludes by saying he believes “on reasonable grounds that the Liknes and five-year-old Nathan O’Brien have been victims of a violent attack, have been taken against their will and are likely murdered.”

The significant amounts of blood, drag marks, dumbbell with blood on it were listed as reasons for the conclusion. In addition, Sweet noted none of the victims had yet been located or had checked into hospital.


© Shaw Media, 2015

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on August 04, 2015, 10:14:56 AM
Douglas Garland murder trial set for 2017 in deaths of Nathan O'Brien, grandparents
Jury trial to start in January 2017 expected to last 5 weeks

CBC News Posted: Jul 31, 2015 11:30 AM MT| Last Updated: Jul 31, 2015 1:29 PM MT

The trial date has been set for Douglas Garland, the man accused of murdering five-year-old Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

■TIMELINE | Nathan O'Brien case: What we know
■Douglas Garland appearance draws gasps in courtroom
■Douglas Garland now faces 1st-degree murder charge in Nathan O'Brien's death​

The date for the five-week jury trial has been set for Jan. 16, 2017, with jury selection taking place the week before.

Garland's lawyer Kim Ross says the more than a year wait is not unusual for a trial of this complexity.

Because of the amount of media attention in the case, jury selection for the trial may involve a process called "challenge for cause" where potential jurors are asked questions designed to expose any bias.

"It's a longer process permitted under the Criminal Code to question jurors," said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker.

"In the U.S. they have a voir dire system where they question jurors on a regular basis. In Canada, it's quite the exception. Normally our jurors are really picked blind, we really know very little about them and they're not asked any questions by counsel."

O'Brien and his grandparents disappeared last summer, but their bodies have never been found.

Garland was charged with three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths.

He was arrested in July of last year and remains in custody.

Parker expects 50 to 60 witnesses will be called to testify during the trial.

He says some details of the crime have been withheld from witnesses to prevent them from "being contaminated." He said that has caused some hardship for family members of the victims who are expected to testify.

"It's extraordinarily hard on the families, and of course we have witnesses who are getting up there in age as well so it is a concern that we're now looking at 2017 for trial," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-murder-trial-set-for-2017-in-deaths-of-nathan-o-brien-grandparents-1.3175684 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-murder-trial-set-for-2017-in-deaths-of-nathan-o-brien-grandparents-1.3175684)

Nathan O'Brien, centre, and his grandparents, Kathy and Alvin Liknes, have not been seen since Nathan's mom left the Likneses' home the night of June 29, 2014. (Calgary Police Service)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on April 11, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
Former Parkhill home of Alvin and Kathy Liknes demolished
Published Monday, April 11, 2016 5:32PM MDT


A southwest residence that was the focal point of a 2014 missing persons case turned homicide investigation has been reduced to rubble.

Over the last few days, the home in the 100 block of 38A Avenue Southwest was demolished.

The former home of Alvin and Kathy Liknes was the last known whereabouts of the couple and their grandson, five year old Nathan O’Brien.

In June 2014, police launched an investigation into the trio’s disappearance. Investigators located a significant amount of blood throughout the Parkhill home. The bodies of Alvin and Kathy Liknes, and Nathan O’Brien, have never been found.

In the 22 months that have passed following the disappearance, the home has become a makeshift memorial with ribbons of support tied to the trees on the front lawn.

Douglas Garland faces three counts of first degree murder in connection with the deaths. Garland’s trial is scheduled to begin in January 2017.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/former-parkhill-home-of-alvin-and-kathy-liknes-demolished-1.2854861 (http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/former-parkhill-home-of-alvin-and-kathy-liknes-demolished-1.2854861)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on July 01, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
It's been two years since the disappearance of Kathy and Alvin Likness, and their grandson Nathan Obrien. Their bodies have never been found.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on January 17, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-murder-trial-nathan-obrien-liknes-day-2-trial-1.3939170

UPDATED
'Alvin didn't pay Dougie some money': Douglas Garland's father testifies
WARNING: This story contains graphic details and an image that may be disturbing to some readers

By Meghan Grant, CBC News Posted: Jan 17, 2017 9:57 AM MT Last Updated: Jan 17, 2017 1:59 PM MT

The mother of Douglas Garland, accused of murdering a five-year-old Calgary boy and his grandparents, says when she saw news of the family's disappearance on TV, her son told her he did not want to talk about the Likneses.

Two weeks after Nathan O'Brien and his grandparents, Alvin Liknes, 66, and Kathy Liknes, 53, went missing from their home on June 29, 2014, the 56-year-old Garland was charged with three counts of first-degree murder. No bodies have ever been found and the Crown believes they may have been burned.

Garland's parents, Archie and Doreen Garland, as well as his sister, Patti Garland, are testifying in a Calgary court today as Crown witnesses on Day 2 of the accused's first-degree murder trial.

Douglas Garland was upset with Alvin Liknes because of work they'd done together on an oil and gas pump, according to his father.

"Alvin didn't pay Dougie some money and that didn't sit well," said Archie Garland, 86.

At the time of the trio's disappearance back in 2014, Douglas Garland was living with his parents on their rural property just north of Calgary — a property that evidence was found "all over," the Crown alleged on Monday.

Following an investigation and search of the Garland farm that involved hundreds of police officers, Douglas Garland was arrested and charged with murder on July 15, 2014.

When asked how his son approached a problem, Archie Garland told jurors his son was thorough.

"If something was to be done, it was done properly," he said.

Crown prosecutor Shane Parker asked the witness if he had ever used a chemical called DNA Erase in the burn barrel the family used to incinerate garbage and he said he had not.

Under cross-examination, the elder Garland agreed with defence lawyer Kim Ross that his son was a "loner."

"​I never seen him show violence to anyone," he said.

He told Ross that on June 29, his son had dinner with his parents and he was unaware of anyone leaving the farm that night. Around 7 a.m. the next morning, he noticed his son was taking a shower.

He also said it was possible that at some point in time, Alvin and Kathy Liknes could have been in the green truck that was driven primarily by his son.

​'I think he's an unhappy man'

Doreen Garland testified after her husband, telling jurors that her son was an "intelligent man" who read a lot of books but wouldn't discuss his problems with her.

"He's my son, I love him," she said. "I think he's an unhappy man."

For about a year, Douglas Garland attended medical school at the University of Alberta until he suffered what his mother believes was a breakdown and dropped out of school.

The woman also testified that her son missed his weekly psychiatric appointment the morning after the family disappeared.

​The grudge

Douglas Garland was connected to the Liknes and O'Brien families through his sister Patti, who was in a common-law relationship with Alvin Liknes's son, Allen.

The son testified on Monday that he, Garland and his father worked together on an oil and gas pump the father/son duo had patented in 2006 and 2007.

Garland worked on wiring for the pump, but the relationship soured around 2007 and by 2010, Alvin Liknes stopped speaking to Garland, his son told jurors.

The Crown's theory is that the killings were motivated by the "petty grudge" held by Garland over the patent dispute.

Prosecutor Vicki Faulkner said in her opening statement that Garland "methodically and obsessively" researched Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

When he learned the couple planned to move to Edmonton, Faulkner said Garland decided to act on his grudge.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on January 17, 2017, 03:59:49 PM
continuation of article:

The evidence

When Jennifer O'Brien arrived to pick up her son Nathan after an impromptu sleepover at her parents' home, she found an open side door and testified Monday that she saw "pools of blood" throughout the house.

Blood was found on the beds, walls and in the kitchen.

Liknes home
When Jennifer O'Brien arrived at the Liknes home to pick up her son, she found blood throughout the house. (Court exhibit)

On the first day of the trial, which is scheduled to last five weeks, jurors heard an outline of the Crown's evidence.

Forensic analysis of Garland's computer hard drive will be presented as evidence, said Faulkner, showing someone researched topics such as "how to kill without emotion," torture and autopsies.

Jurors also heard that DNA evidence from the missing family members was found on a saw and meat hooks owned by Garland, and bones and a tiny tooth were discovered in a large burn barrel on the Garland farm.

Through what Faulkner described as "dumb luck," a mapping plane that flew over the property on July 1 and 2, 2014, took photographs that show what the Crown believes to be three bodies in the grass.

60 witnesses

The trial is being presided over by Court of Queen's Bench Justice David Gates.

On Monday, the main courtroom — which seats about 60 — and a second overflow courtroom were both full.

Faulkner and Shane Parker, who are prosecuting the case, said they expect to call about 60 witnesses.

It's unknown whether defence lawyers Kim Ross and Jim Lutz will call any evidence.

"That's a decision we'll make at the close of the Crown's case," said Ross.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on January 17, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/01/16/douglas-garland-trial_n_14206936.html

(Nathan's mother testifies)

Douglas Garland Trial: Court Hears Graphic 'Bloodbath' Details Of Crime Scene (GRAPHIC)
CP  |  By   Bill Graveland, The Canadian Press
Posted: 01/16/2017 4:41 pm EST Updated: 01/16/2017 6:45 pm EST

CALGARY — The mother of a five-year-old boy testified Monday that she found blood everywhere — but no bodies — when she arrived at her parents' home to pick up her son after a sleepover.

"I saw pools of blood and hand marks of blood on the wall in front of me, so I thought something was really wrong here. Something has happened here. Something really bad has happened here,'' Jennifer O'Brien testified at the first-degree murder trial of Douglas Garland.

Garland, 56, was charged after the disappearance of Alvin and Kathy Liknes and their grandson Nathan from the couple's Calgary home on June 30, 2014.

O'Brien said she had been helping her mother and stepfather with an estate sale. She was planning to stay the night, but her one-year-old son wouldn't settle down, so she went home for the night. Nathan stayed behind with his grandparents.

O'Brien told the jury that her mother didn't answer a call early the next morning, but it wasn't until she went over to the house and found the door open that she realized something was wrong.

Inside, there was no sign of her family, just undeniable evidence of a bloodbath.

"Throughout the whole house it was just like a bloody scene,'' O'Brien testified. "There was pools of blood on the side of the bed and on the wall and all throughout the kitchen.''

She went outside and called her husband and told him: "My son ... my family's been murdered and he's taken the bodies.''

O'Brien said she called police who told her to get into her car and lock herself in. She told court that the police officer seized the running shoes she was wearing that day.

"They noticed they were covered in blood and hair which I think was Nathan's.''

"Throughout the whole house it was just like a bloody scene."
Under cross-examination, O'Brien said she had never mentioned before Monday her comments about her family being murdered.

"From what I saw and what my heart told me, I knew my family was murdered. People kept telling me that, 'No, they could be missing,' which raised my hopes, but deep down inside I knew that they were murdered.''

The Crown opened its case by telling the jury that the couple and their grandson were violently snatched in the night and taken to a rural property where they were killed and their bodies burned.

"The three individuals were violently removed from their beds and taken to the Garland farm and killed,'' prosecutor Vicki Faulkner said.

Over a number of days, investigators combed through several properties surrounding the area near Airdrie, north of Calgary, where Garland lived.

The Crown outlined what police found. A burn barrel, still smouldering, contained bones and a small tooth. A tiny piece of burned flesh was found in the grass beside the barrel.

DNA belonging to Alvin Liknes and Nathan was found on a saw. Kathy Liknes's DNA was found on meat hooks.

A bag discovered in one of the outbuildings contained handcuffs, a dagger and a leather baton.

Suspect acted on a petty grudge

Faulkner said Garland was acting on a petty, years-long grudge against Alvin Liknes over a pump patent and had been meticulously planning the killings.

She said Garland did Internet searches to keep tabs on the couple and took action "that took the form of obsessive and methodical planning'' as they were about to move away.

The boy was an unintended victim, Faulkner said, and O'Brien received a terrible shock when she arrived at her parent's home.

douglas garland
Douglas Garland is escorted into a Calgary police station in connection with the disappearance on July 14, 2014. (Photo: Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press)

"She did not see her parents. She did not see Nathan. They were gone and all that was left was blood.''

Allen Liknes, the common-law partner of Garland's sister Patti, had known the accused for 16 years and recommended Garland to his father. He said Garland did work with Alvin Liknes on developing a pump but was eventually let go.

"He did get paid,'' said Liknes, who added his wife was the one who told her brother he was fired.

Liknes received a call the day that Alvin, Kathy and Nathan vanished and drove to Calgary to talk to police. He had noticed there was an Amber Alert out for Nathan with a photo of a truck similar to one that Garland would drive.

"I didn't even think of Doug as a suspect at that point and I didn't put two and two together.''



Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on January 18, 2017, 07:40:43 PM
I did not realize that they had finally got this guy to trial, I am so glad this monster is now in the courtroom. The evidence is overwhelming against him. What a tragedy and loss of life, a horror story that is hard to comprehend this happening to people, just an ordinary night with their grandson over. It is unbelievable that this kind of thing could happen. Each day we listen to the news we do not realize how many monsters are out there, living among us. I put this kind of on a scale with Tim Bosma's case, very hard to wrap one's mind around. It sounds like a fictional story. God bless the family and we surely hope that justice will prevail and that this bastard will get 25 years for each life that he took. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on January 19, 2017, 01:57:21 PM
This murder is so sickening, I can no longer follow it.
This is the last time I can follow it, to post further developments in the trial.
Garland is a very sick man.  Something has been terribly wrong with him for a very, very long time.... in fact years.

The broader question is - what should society and the law do, when a person is so sick - and yet we must wait and hope that they do not become dangerous.

And who decides when we should lock a person up into a mental institution and force treatment on them, on the premise that they MAY be a danger to society somewhere down the road.

This case can further strengthen a belief that those who seek treatment on their own to bring about better mental health are all dangerous, and that society should stay clear of them.
It isn't any wonder then,  why those seeking help wish to  remain in the shadows...

I do not see a plea of Not Guilty due to insanity.  This man is insane. He had regular psychiatric appointments for treatment, and then .... this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-nathan-obrien-liknes-murder-trial-day-3-police-1.3940984

Douglas Garland murder trial to hear about tampered lock on Liknes home
WARNING: This story contains graphic details and an image that may be disturbing to some readers
By Meghan Grant, CBC News Posted: Jan 19, 2017 10:20 AM MT Last Updated: Jan 19, 2017 12:15 PM MT

There were small drill holes in the lock, investigators would soon note, and on Thursday experts are expected to testify at Douglas Garland's triple murder trial about what they discovered once it was more closely examined.

However, as the trial resumed Thursday, the jury was excused temporarily while the lawyers dealt with a legal issue.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on January 19, 2017, 08:13:23 PM
I can't follow anymore either JB. This will give me nightmares. I feel so sorry for all of the family members!! Especially Nathan's parents who must be reliving this hell over and over! What a very sick and demented devil beast this man is.
All over hurt feelings because his name was not on the patent?? That patent didn't even go anywhere as it didn't really work to capacity!
He should have to be in solitary confinement forever! 
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on January 21, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
Sap1.  The horrific sight that faced Nathan's young mother.... is beyond comprehension.

Another victim is the Police Constable who was directed to go to the address, via the 911 call. He was the first cop to enter the house , and also experienced the horrific scene.

 He may have been cruising in the area and got the call... Who knows, perhaps his previous stop was to dish out a traffic violation..... and to walk into that!!

My heart goes out to him as well.
It isn't any wonder why finding new recruits is so difficult.

jb
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on January 21, 2017, 06:04:49 PM
I  hope they had/have counseling for the police and forensic team who had to work with the scene. Many of them may have had to deal with PTSD.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: debbiec on February 16, 2017, 04:13:39 PM
Videos can be viewed at the link below.


Douglas Garland guilty of 3 counts of first-degree murder in deaths of Nathan O’Brien and grandparents

February 16, 2017 1:15 pm   Updated: February 16, 2017 1:55 pm
By Nancy Hixt    
Crime Reporter  Global News


WARNING: This story contains graphic content that some readers might find disturbing. Discretion is advised.

The jury has found Douglas Garland guilty of three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of five-year-old Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

For four weeks, the jury listened to disturbing details of the Crown’s case. They deliberated for eight-and-a-half hours before coming to a verdict Thursday afternoon.

The verdicts mean the 12 jurors unanimously agreed on the outcome.

READ MORE: Timeline – Missing Calgary family Nathan O’Brien, Alvin and Kathryn Liknes

Garland, 57, faces an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years, but the judge could also rule consecutive periods of parole ineligibility should be imposed in the case. That means Garland could be jailed for up to 75 years before he would be eligible for parole.

Ten jurors recommended Garland serve consecutive sentences; the remaining two had no opinion.

Garland would be 132 years old before he’d be eligible for any kind of release if he receives consecutive sentences.

The sentencing hearing has been set for Friday, Feb. 17 at 10 a.m. MT.

The Crown had alleged Garland had “stewed” over a petty grudge against the Likneses over a patent for a pump and had plotted their deaths for months—hunting them and dominating them.

Evidence of cyber stalking was presented from a hard drive found hidden in the Garland home.

READ MORE: Analysis of blood patterns tells graphic story of events in Garland triple-murder trial

“The hard drive was a window into the mind of Doug Garland,” Crown prosecutor Shane Parker told the jury Monday during final arguments.

The prosecution said Garland broke into the Liknes home by disabling the lock on their door after researching picking that particular type of lock.

Garland was accused of violently attacking Alvin, Kathy and Nathan, then unlawfully confining and kidnapping them before they were killed at the Garland farm. Their bodies were dismembered and destroyed.

Defence maintained Garland’s innocence and pointed out his DNA wasn’t found in the Liknes home.

Court heard DNA of all three victims was found at the Garland property. The Crown pointed to a pair of rubber boots seized from an outbuilding as key evidence in the case: DNA of Nathan, Alvin and Kathy was found on the boots. Inside the boots, Garland’s DNA was recovered.

Nathan and his grandparents were last seen alive June 29, 2014.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3249095/douglas-garland-verdict/ (http://globalnews.ca/news/3249095/douglas-garland-verdict/)
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: capeheart on February 19, 2017, 10:24:11 AM
debbiec, I saw that on the news and was overjoyed at the sentence of 25 years for each life he took. It is justice, but it cannot bring those grandparents and their little beautiful Nathan back to his parents. The sad part is, they never found their remains. It is just a great job by the police to convict this monster. The fact that aerial photos were taken for another reason, is surprising, it picked up the images of the bodies before he destroyed them. It has to be so hard for the families, but at least now they know Garland will never breath the air outside of a prison. Congratulations to the police and prosecution for convicting Garland.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on February 19, 2017, 03:46:57 PM
Capeheart, I believe investigators found enough bits and pieces of the victims such as teeth and flesh that had not burned yet and which matched dna to Nathan and both Liknes's. I believe I read that, so I wonder why defense said the evidence was purely circumstantial.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on February 19, 2017, 03:52:05 PM
I can't say I feel sorry! Not one little iota!

Triple murderer Garland beaten in jail. Excerpt below.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3258571/douglas-garland-rushed-to-hospital-after-jailhouse-beating-sources/

Convicted triple murderer Douglas Garland was rushed to hospital in Calgary Friday night after being beaten by fellow inmates at the Calgary Remand Centre, sources confirm to Global News.


Sources say the 57-year-old was in a common area of the provincial jail when he was attacked from behind by four inmates. He received multiple blows to the head and midsection.

Garland remained in hospital Saturday under observation and is receiving further tests.

Sources confirm the incident was captured on CCTV at the Remand Centre.

Defence lawyer Kim Ross was surprised to hear of the attack.

“I understand he’s not going to win any popularity contests but he is in the custody of the system and they have a mandate to protect him,” Ross told Global News.
Ross confirmed prior to the trial, Garland had been segregated in a facility outside of the city. He was moved to the Calgary Remand Centre for the trial.

“My understanding is he was in a unit where his safety was not a concern, but obviously it is,” Ross said.

He added police are investigating.

“I’m hoping this isn’t a case where this attack was ‘allowed’ to happen.”
“He’s been in custody for two and a half years and there hasn’t been a problem,” Ross said. “Now, all of a sudden, he gets convicted and sentenced and he has one of these incidents.”

Ross said he will be going to see his client this weekend.

Defence confirmed Garland will be seen early next week to discuss placement in a federal institution. He has been told he will end up in the Edmonton Max. However, that could be delayed by a few weeks.

Ross said he may be held at the Calgary Remand Centre for an additional two to four weeks; the time period he’s allowed to file an appeal.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Concerned on February 20, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
What type of inmates are kept in the Calgary Remand Centre? Are they generally lesser crimes than he was convicted of? I wonder what the full story is since it is my impression from news reports that he was housed in the centre during the trial without incident however after conviction he is beaten. Seems there is perhaps other facts we aren't aware of that could have led up to this.

Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on February 21, 2017, 04:46:24 AM
Concerned, some info on the Remand centre below. Definitely not a high security place, imo and quite a mix.

https://www.solgps.alberta.ca/programs_and_services/correctional_services/adult_centre_operations/correctional_and_remand_centres/Pages/calgary_remand_centre.aspx
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on February 21, 2017, 04:58:39 AM
Garland back in jail in protective custody after threats via social media.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3259757/triple-murderer-douglas-garland-back-in-jail-under-close-watch-after-threats-made-sources/

Excerpt: (other repetitious material at link)

Convicted triple murderer Douglas Garland has been released from hospital after receiving treatment for injuries sustained in a beating by fellow inmates at the Calgary Remand Centre.

He was returned to remand by correctional officers Sunday afternoon at approximately 1:30 p.m. MT.

Global News has learned he will be in administrative segregation under close watch and will have limited contact with other inmates.  Sources said there is heightened security after threats were posted on social media.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Concerned on February 21, 2017, 08:32:09 PM
Thanks Sap1.  Makes you think that perhaps some in the Centre may have known the deceased? Worked for him? Or, maybe no one wanted to be in close proximity to someone that could do such things, especially if they were of lesser crimes. Makes me wonder if he would be safer in a prison that had criminals that were at or above his level. Would they bother? Of course, the fact that a young and innocent child was involved is tough enough to digest.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on February 21, 2017, 09:50:11 PM
Thanks Sap1.  Makes you think that perhaps some in the Centre may have known the deceased? Worked for him? Or, maybe no one wanted to be in close proximity to someone that could do such things, especially if they were of lesser crimes. Makes me wonder if he would be safer in a prison that had criminals that were at or above his level. Would they bother? Of course, the fact that a young and innocent child was involved is tough enough to digest.

Child killers don't do well in general population and it could be as you said that no one wants to be in close proximity with such a crazed person. They may have been acting out of fear. He probably will get some kind of segregation for his own safety. If there are threats on social media, I'm sure they are awful and it doesn't take long for someone to act on it.
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 07, 2017, 06:08:24 PM
http://glbn.ca/YKAC2I
Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: Sap1 on March 08, 2017, 12:15:19 AM
So he was in the Edmonton Max security. Taken from EWO's link above.

Convicted triple-murderer Douglas Garland is back in hospital after suffering a second beating, this time in prison, sources say. The president of the Calgary-based Criminal Defence Lawyers Association is calling for the public release of investigations into the attacks.

“The Calgary Remand Centre is staffed by provincially regulated correctional officers, the Edmonton Institution is staffed by federally regulated institution officers, but the general concern is the same,” Ian Savage told Global News.

Sources confirm he was found breathing but unresponsive in his cell at approximately 9 p.m.

Alberta Health Services public education officer Alex Campbell said an ambulance from Fort Saskatchewan was called to the Edmonton Institution at 9:40 p.m. Monday night to transport a male patient who was in stable condition to hospital.

READ MORE: Douglas Garland rushed to hospital after jailhouse beating: sources

Garland had just been transferred to Edmonton Max from the Calgary Remand Centre that morning.

The Correctional Service of Canada (CSC) and the Edmonton Police Service (EPS) are investigating the incident. The CSC referred to the beating as an inmate “assault” without naming Garland in a statement sent Tuesday afternoon.

Garland received an automatic life sentence in February after a jury convicted him of three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Nathan O’Brien and his grandparents, Alvin and Kathy Liknes.

Justice David Gates found Garland had captured, restrained, tortured, killed, dismembered and burned the bodies of Nathan, Alvin and Kathy.

READ MORE: Douglas Garland: Lawyer condemns those who cheered after jailhouse beating

Gates handed down consecutive periods of parole ineligibility for the maximum of 75 years.

The same day he was sentenced, Garland was attacked at the Calgary Remand Centre and rushed to hospital.

He suffered soft tissue injuries and was returned to the provincial jail two days later.

Four fellow inmates were charged with aggravated assault.

Brandon Richards, 34, Michael Bohdan, 30, Connor Skipper, 20, and Tristan Thom, 18.

READ MORE: 4 inmates charged in jailhouse beating of triple-murderer Douglas Garland

Savage said despite social media posts that seem to celebrate the jailhouse beatings, there are reasons to champion safety for inmates in a civilized society.

“That’s why we imprison people in the first place; to separate them from society and to punish them for their actions and in some instances to rehabilitate,” Savage said, noting Garland will likely remain imprisoned until the end of his life. “But that doesn’t mean we sanction the murder or assault of inmates in our jails. It’s completely unacceptable.”

Savage called for a “prompt public release” of investigations into both the Calgary and Edmonton beatings.

Garland remains in hospital in Edmonton. No word yet on his injuries.

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Title: Re: Kathy & Alvin Liknes & Nathan O'Brien - Murdered - June 29, 2014 - Calgary, AB
Post by: jellybean on March 08, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
I doubt that he will ever survive - unless he is kept in isolation for the remaining of his natural life span.

It looks like Prisoners have their own  code of "ethics" and sense of justice. It does not matter where they send Garland, he will never be safe.

jb