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Title: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Angela Ellis on August 28, 2007, 09:18:31 AM
 1968 ? Frankie Jensen, 9, of London, disappeared on his way to Westdale
public school on Feb. 9. His body was found two months later in the Thames
River near Thorndale. He had a fractured skull and was partially clothed. It is
unclear if he was sexually assaulted.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on November 30, 2010, 10:36:30 PM
Key points from a London Free Press article dated Saturday Apr 13, 1968 titled, "Frankie found dead - police hunt killer":

Frankie's body was found the day before (Apr 12) floating face down in the Thames River north of Thorndale, about 18 miles from his home.  He had been missing from his London home at 382 Hazel Ave. since February 9 after leaving home at 8:30 p.m. for Westdale Public School, where he was a grade 4 pupil.  It was the pathologist's opinion that Frankie had been in the river for the full time that he had been missing.

He was clad only in an undershirt and green plaid shirt and his body was badly decomposed.

 His body was found by two men canoeing from St. Marys to Fanshawe Lake.  The body was bobbing in about 3 feet of water, tangled in a wire fence.  The location was at the rear of Frank O'Shaughnessy's farm at RR 1 Thorndale, about 1 1/2 miles north of the Thorndale bridge and 1/2 mile off gravelled West Nissouri Township Concession Rd 1.  Where the body was found, the river is about 45 feet wide and flows southward at about 4 miles an hour, through open fields.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on November 30, 2010, 10:45:27 PM
Key points from an article the following Monday (April 15/68) titled, "Hunt sex-killer but deny murders in London linked":

There was some speculation as to whether or not Frankie's case was related to Jacqueline Dunleavy's murder.  Net result....too soon to say.

- When FJ went missing, he was wearing high, lace-up boots.  Police didn't think there was any way the boots would have come off in the water.  They believed that the killer removed FJ's clothes.

- Police refused to release his cause of death -- just saying he wasn't stabbed or shot.

-  Frankie had no relatives in the Thorndale area

-  Police were combing the riverbank upstream from where he was found.  They don't know where he went into the river.  They particularly wanted to find the rest of his clothing, his high green boots and his grey lunch box.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on December 02, 2010, 05:53:46 PM
goNOgo
Just want you to know that the more eyes looking into these old cases, the better....much appreciated.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on December 02, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
Jensen --  you don't know how relieved I am to hear you say that. 

After I posted that information, I started to fret that this might be upsetting to the family.  After all, this is really what it's all about.  People taken away from the ones who love them.  What is the good of us 'poking around' on these cases if the main result is more distress for the families?  What right do I have to do that?

I believe in a caring community, and I believe that is why most of the people on this forum are here.

Thank you for letting us know that you are o.k. with us researching Frankie's terrible fate and trying to get the facts out there in case someone can use them.  If I ever step across any 'line' please give me a slap (figuratively, of course!).


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on December 03, 2010, 04:07:33 AM
goNogo
I'm glad I've eased your concern.  At this point I am the only one in the family that knows about this board.  I will tell my siblings and Mom about you and I can tell you they will be pleased to hear that there are caring individuals like all of you "poking" around Frankie's case.  His is a cold case and for us, the sadness would be in his being forgotten.  The one thing I know we all got from him was strength and a tighter bond as a family...rare in these cases...dig away.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on December 12, 2010, 07:25:15 AM
jensen, I have a question for you if you are comfortable answering it.  Do you know what route Frankie normally took to school?  Did he turn west on Riverside and then head north up Hyde Park Rd?  If so where would he have cut across to get to the school?

OR, did he turn east on Riverside and cut through the subdivision on the north side of Riverside?  (I don't know what that area was like back in 1968, and how far over development spread at that time.)

Did anyone report seeing him walking to school that particular morning?  If so, how far along his route was he?

Thanks very much.

N.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 13, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Massive police and civilian search launched for Frankie Jensen.  London Free Press headlines, the day after Frankie goes missing.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 13, 2010, 09:45:49 AM
The previous posting contained an attachment with the London Free Press coverage (Saturday Feb. 10th, 1968) of Frankie's disappearance.  Hopefully it is legible when you use the viewer that  is used by this forum (probably need to go to magnification).

Attached here is a subsequent LFP article , which I believe would have come out early the next week (perhaps on Monday Feb. 12th).  The article was scanned in two parts (top and bottom of article - with "a" being the top portion and "b" the bottom portion).  The article contains the answer to the query of which route Frankie took to school.  Hyde Park Road was used; students used a pathway to walk from Hyde Park Road to Valetta.   Apparently, the lack of sidewalks in the subdivision itself made Hyde Park Road the preferred walking route for students.  In the previous posting, if you read the LFP article there are several interviews with students in the area that partially describe this pathway & area.  Also some brief descriptions of other incidents that had occurred in the area near the walking route to this school and the nearby high school (Oakridge).

Some additional postings will follow with other relevant LFP articles.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 13, 2010, 10:08:40 AM


The news article that is attached here is by George Soteroff, published in The Telegram, Toronto, on Wednesday Feb. 14th, 1968.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 13, 2010, 10:55:28 AM
     

The issue of the safety of the school route was a key aspect of a report in the London Free Press on February 16th (attached here); also published on the same day is the discussion on some school issues (which turned out to be irrelevant, but gives an idea what folks might have been thinking at the time)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 13, 2010, 11:38:44 AM
Some additional news coverage while the search continued for Frankie.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on December 13, 2010, 05:02:48 PM
Lots of great information here, Gibbons.  Thank you for going through the trouble of posting them.

Regarding the route...I can't imagine how scary it must have been for Frankie, to be alone and then grabbed, with no one around to help him.  What are the odds of that?? This it pretty close to where Jacqueline Dunleavey was found.  I'm presuming that the perp was on foot, waiting for a 'straggler'.  This would also make it likely that he was a local and quite familiar with the area as opposed to someone just driving by.

Things I would like to know:  What time did classes start in the morning?  Does anyone know if the elementary school and the high school started around the same time in the morning?  Would high school students have already been in class?  I am trying to get a sense of how much traffic there would have been along Hyde Park Rd at the time Frankie disappeared.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Woodland on December 13, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
One of the articles above states that Frankie was seen by a neighbour turning off onto a path towards the school.  Where could someone have intercepted him after that pathway and before he reached school property?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on December 13, 2010, 08:39:17 PM
I presume (and this may be an incorrect presumption) that back in 1968 Hyde Park Rd went 'straight'.  If you look at google maps, and head south from Oxford, you will see that 'Old Hyde Park Rd' goes straight, but that "new" Hyde Park Rd curves to the east, avoiding the lower lying area near the pond.  So was Frankie walking up that 'Old Hyde Park Rd'?  If so, the path would have been longer and uphill.

Does anyone recall what was along this stretch of Hyde Park rd back at that time?  Was it Old Hyde Park Rd?  Were there many houses? What was the area along the path like?  How long was the path? where did it start?  where did it come out at the other end?

Is there anyone here that was familiar with that specific area at the time?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 14, 2010, 09:52:47 AM
Gibbons: Thanks for posting the media articles.

Can you believe that scumbags would make crank calls to the family of a missing child? How evil can people get. :-(
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 14, 2010, 10:28:07 AM
The credit goes elsewhere for this information; however, hopefully its availability is of value.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 14, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
Attached are three more LFP articles published during the time when the search continued for Frankie.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 14, 2010, 10:32:42 AM
Attached are two articles relating to Frankie being found, and the continued search for more clues.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on December 14, 2010, 10:40:08 AM
Article (1991) about the Block Parent Program which, in Canada, was launched as a pilot program in London in the wake of Frankie's case (1968).   Subtitle of article (which is partially missing) reads : " It often takes a tragedy, such as a missing child, to spark interest in the program".  Note: towards the end of the article, reference is made to Frankie's case.  More about the history of the Block Parent program, and its role in helping to improve child safety, can be found at the Block Parent Website. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on April 06, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
Hi folks, I've been keeping up with this board for some time, but have only just decided to jump in to the discussion.

I'm very interested in making more information available on London's cold cases, in the hope of drawing more attention to them.  While I'm primarily concerned with Frankie's case, clearly there are connections with the others that need to be further explored.  To that end,  I've been doing some digging at t the library for more articles on many of the Project Angel cases and want to share them. At the very least, I'd like to see a more rounded sense of the victims so they're not just names on a list. They deserve not to be forgotten.

The number of articles recently posted for Frankie added an incredible amount of info where before there was almost nothing online. I'll be posting much of what I've gathered in the next while in each of the various threads, but since Frankie's disappearance is what brought me here in the first place, I'll start here by adding this summary article about Frankie from 1990.

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Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Chris on April 07, 2011, 02:41:36 AM
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Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: wbri on April 10, 2011, 06:27:31 PM
The area around Hyde Park Road at the time of Frankie's abduction was all bush, with a few houses.  Hyde Park ran north from Riverside, down and then up a steep hill towards Oxford.  There was a path going in to the bush on an easterly course which ran, as I recall, south of a pond called "Fergie's Pond" by all of the local kids.  From there it joined up to Valetta.  It was a reasonable distance from Hyde Park Road to Valetta through the woods, and as a child, I wouldn't have wanted to walk it alone.

A contingent of several children including Frankie would walk from the Hyde Park/Riverside corner and Hazeldon Park, a quite new and upscale subdivision on the s/w corner.  Westdale School morning bell rang at 9 a.m.

Frankie was a friendly and mischeivous boy, well-liked at school and good looking.

I am given to believe that he was late for school that morning, which is why he had no companions.  Perhaps someone he was acquainted with offered him a ride in a car, was the question in our household.  Because if the abductor would be on foot, somehow they had to get him quite a distance away.  Because there were so few houses along Hyde Park, a car parked along it would stand out as a bit unusual.

If he was already at Valetta, why would he go with anyone in a car?  Unless he knew them and they cooked a story?

I would like to find out about this as a fellow Westdale student at the time.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on April 10, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
That adds some insight, thanks! Yes, from what I understand he was late that morning because of a problem with his winter coat zipper, so he had to wear a different coat, and he missed walking with the rest of the kids.

Chris, where did the 'unsolved' document testimony come from? That's a solid witness account.

Having made the walk that Frankie would have followed, I realized it's quite a distance. It took me about 18 minutes from his home to the school, and that's with my adult stride. Granted, the topography now is quite different with the subdivision roads added, but it's safe to assume it would be somewhere about that. Very little time of that journey is spent on Riverside Drive, before turning onto the long length of the Hyde Park Road.

I guess the question boils down to whether his attacker lured him over and into a car along the road, or grabbed him from the path and took him to a waiting vehicle.

 Certainly on Hyde Park Road, assuming at that moment there were no other vehicles coming, it would've been easier to transport him away. If he was confronted somewhere on the shortcut through the field, though, there'd be less chance of being witnessed. It's possible he may have been surprised by someone hiding along the deserted pathway, who could've been aware it was a common route for schoolchildren and managed to find one separate from the rest. Still, anyone waiting there for such an opportunity would run the risk of being noticed by the other schoolkids who used that shortcut a few minutes earlier. And there would be the issue of having a car parked nearby.  Not to mention, as the account Chris shared states, it was very cold that day, which might've been a deterrent for the attacker to just sit and wait for the right opportunity. But obviously, who knows what that person might be willing to put up with.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on April 10, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
Here's a link to a news report about the search for Frankie from the local TV station at the time, from the Block Parent site:

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/cfpl/videos/1968/3.aspx

Near the end of the clip, you can see the stretch of Hyde Park Road Frankie would have walked, which was much more barren in '68 than now (though there is still a long empty area).


(What frustrates me about the clip is that it shows at this point the police were looking for a missing or lost boy, rather than for traces of an abduction.  I wonder what they might've found if they'd had a different focus.)



Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on April 10, 2011, 08:10:12 PM
See attachments

Also, thanks for the map, Chris. Until I clicked on it I thought it was the same one included in the LFP article above.

So, according to that, Frankie would've cut across a lawn or empty lot to get up to the intersection of Riverside and Hyde Park? In which case he hardly spent any time on Riverside Drive at all. Seems strange that the police would think he disappeared from Riverside.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Chris on April 10, 2011, 11:55:30 PM
I can not open .docx files is there a way you can make it a pdf? Sorry, I would like to read what is there.

Done! I added a pdf of the docx
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on April 11, 2011, 07:10:53 AM
In one of the first newspaper clippings posted on here, one of the students mentions that they have been chased in the field on the way to school by some man.   Once with a club.   I hope the cops looked into this guy the kids seem to know about.   It also says they told the teachers whenever it happened. 
It seems to me that it could be someone like that who murdered little Frankie.    Unbalanced, and waiting for the opportunity to grab an unsuspecting lone child.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on April 11, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
reply to wbri and rkay
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on April 11, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
Does anyone remember much about the gravel pit on the west side of Old Hyde Park Road?  Would the road/driveway leading down into it be accessible to the public (in winter).  If a car/truck was parked in there, would it have been visible to people living in the houses across the road from it.  If so, would the presence of a vehicle there in the morning be considered unusual? 

Also, did kids going to Oakridge High School take the short cut through the field as well, or did they generally continue on Hyde Park Road up to Oxford Street? 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on April 11, 2011, 07:55:01 PM
So much great new information!  Thanks to all.

Regarding your question, gibbons, about the route that the high school kids took, I had the impression that they took the same route based on the documents Chris posted.  The map shows a dotted line from the public school to the high school.  The author of the text document mentions that they were ont he way to the high school "about to climb the hill to the pathway".    Can someone confirm that this means that the individual was headed to the pathway themselves?I'm curious as to what the pathway was like as it approached the houses at the end of Valetta.  Was it open there?  Wooded?

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: wbri on April 11, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
I have posted earlier tonight, it appears to have been lost somehow.

The Oakridge kids would have taken the same path as the elementary kids, and gone on past Westdale on the west side of the building to link up with a well known well worn path leading to the high school in a northerly direction.

As I recall the gravel pit, there was a fence between Hyde Park and the pit.  I do not recall any road down in to the pit from Hyde Park Road.  This area was quite unpopulated at the time, really the very outskirts of London.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on April 11, 2011, 09:11:12 PM
Thanks wbri, 071358, and everyone else joining in. A lot of detail coming in.

So, essentially, does it seem unlikely, then, given that there was traffic of both several Oakridge and Westdale students along the path every morning, that anyone could have been waiting for any length of time without being seen? Once the events of the morning were revealed, one would think that someone would've mentioned seeing anyone suspicious or unusual in that area before 9 am.

Though, if Frankie was running so late that he still hadn't reached the path by 9 am, there might be several minutes available to follow or confront him once everyone else had already passed by.

A terrible thought, but I'll throw it out there for discussion... perhaps a high school student or similar age would not look out of place on or near that path, for that reason? Certainly one old enough to drive, and who would know that path and the usual times and movements of traffic along it.

And, to further the thought, could it not be more likely that Jacqueline Dunleavy, a month prior, might accept a ride from someone closer to her age, who may even have been familiar to her from around the Byron area, rather than an older stranger?

I wonder if that was ever explored?

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Chris on April 11, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
I am confused....I thought rkay supplied Chris with all the documentation.

See this post:
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=717.msg60074#msg60074
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on April 12, 2011, 10:51:32 AM
The pathway emerged from dense brush about 50 feet from Valetta. It was quite open there. There was an entrance into the gravel pit about halfway between Riverside and the entrance to the first pathway. There was another entrance/exit off Riverside. These entry/exits were gradually sloped. The pit itself was quite deep. I don't recall a fence surrounding it. We would ride our bikes there in the summer and could enter any number of places without difficulty. That side of the road wasn't treed, it was very open. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: EJay on May 01, 2011, 07:12:47 AM
I would just like to say for those who may know anything about any of the missing or murdered victims in Ontario to contact the Police or even give a hint, we would also like to locate these missing people and have them where they should be for their love ones so they can let it rest, that would make you a much better person no matter what please give in and let it rest in peace for all the families and love ones.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on May 26, 2011, 08:13:51 AM
Just a couple things to consider:

1. Frankie's lunchbox was never found.  If he was forcibly abducted, Frankie would likely have fought back; assuming he would let go of his lunchbox during such a struggle, it is surprising that it was not found at the site where the struggle took place.  By extension - might this indicate that he was offered a ride by someone he knew?

2. During the "Project Angel" re-investigation, police were very interested (apparently persistently raising the question) to know whether Frankie had a small radio.  Someone who owned a hardware store - on Waterloo Street, or near Waterloo Street - insisted that they had seen Frankie that morning in their store.  Frankie was accompanied by a man and they were in the store to buy batteries for the radio. Again, this would suggest that Frankie knew the person that he was with on the morning that he went missing.   The question about the radio and hardware store came about when Project Angel was underway, and had not been an angle that the police pursued during the initial investigation.  The police clearly believed the person who provided them with the tip.

Can anyone remember whether there was a hardware store on Waterloo Street during the late '60s or into the early '70s?  I realize that the street is quite long, but perhaps people living along various stretches of it might recall.    As a specific item: was there a hardware store near Waterloo Street where it intersects with Oxford Street? 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on May 26, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
That's extremely interesting info about the hardware store witness and raises many questions. Where to start...

I imagine that a young boy coming into a store during school hours might stand out a little in one's mind; even more so once Frankie's disappearance became known. As there were many apparent sightings of Frankie, at different locations, called into police at the time, I wonder what it was about this one that made the police want to follow up on it? I'd be interested to know if there was anything particularly remarkable-- Frankie or the man's demeanor or behaviour, for example-- that made this one gain focus. For the sake of discussion (and because the police seemed to lend it credence) let's presume it's accurate.

As far as the location, what that sighting does do is get Frankie in a direction on the way towards Thorndale. Certainly if the store was on or close to Oxford Street, then it's just a right turn and a straight line from the area he would have been picked up.

An idea of the timing-- closer to after 9 am or later-- would be useful too, just to get an idea of whether there was much time for Frankie to be elsewhere beforehand. Did he linger before getting to school, did he get into a running car that pulled over, or did he meet someone that brought him over to a car parked elsewhere?

I don't think the lack of a lunchbox found around the route to school necessarily indicates he didn't struggle, but for the sake of argument and this witness account, it's likely easier to get him into the car willingly than not. Certainly a driver, heading north on Hyde Park Road, would have great difficulty leaning over the passenger's side, or even getting out, to pull an unwilling child in and lock the doors. The driver would be taking a chance of the child getting away or another car or passerby happening upon the scene. It's simpler if Frankie chose to get in himself. 

And, given that he was a shy, quiet boy by all accounts, it stands to reason that if he got in the car by his own choice, he must have trusted the driver. So, perhaps he did know him... which is a bit concerning, if he wasn't chosen just out of chance opportunity, that possibly means he was being followed or stalked beforehand.

Now, the radio: Do we know if Frankie DID in fact have a radio then? I assume we're talking about a transistor radio, or something similarly small and portable. Certainly, that might be a very useful lure for a nine-year-old, especially in the less-technology-prevalent late-60's. Rather than something he already had on him, which seems unlikely to bring to school in a rush (unless we learn differently), perhaps a gift from the driver? Something to keep him occupied, and less concerned or aware that maybe where he was being taken was not where he was told.

Now, if Frankie WAS chosen at random, because he was alone and the driver just happened upon him, did the driver just happen to have a little radio with him to offer, or did he bring it purposely as possible bait? The fact that it needed batteries is interesting, because if one knows one is abducting a child, why take the chance of a) being recognized in a store or b) giving the child a chance to escape? It'd obviously be better to have that radio ready with batteries in it.

Either way, the taking of time with Frankie might help create an illusion of normalcy, put  the boy at ease, and allow his abductor to get to know him, before taking him to wherever his murder took place.  It definitely suggests a different scenario than a fast, violent abduction, much like more recently poor Tori Stafford was lured by her killers.

It occurs to me-- that perhaps what gives this hardware store report more apparent credence with police is information we're not given here. There must have been some kind of description of the man given, and perhaps that corroborates other information, or possibly conforms to suspects in other cases, that suggests this sighting has more validity than others at the time.

Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention, gibbons.












Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: wbri on May 26, 2011, 09:51:34 PM
I believe there could have been a hardware store on the southwest corner of Oxford and Waterloo Streets.  I recall that there was a business there, but then it became a florists in the seventies, a long running business that had a sister location in Bayfield ONtario.  I can't recall the name of the florist shop though.

Certainly a child out of school would have been noticed as unusual in those days.  I can understand why the police would want to follow this up.  London was not a large community then either, and business people were more well known and respected members of the town.

I wonder why someone intent on murder would allow themselves to be seen with the victim - unless the perpetrator at the time had not the specific intention of murder at the time of the hardware store visit.  If Frankie had a radio that didn't work, it could have been the leverage the perpetrator used to coerce Frankie to go farther than the school.

If the hardware store scenario is accurate, then it would follow (?) that the perpetrator was travelling northerly on Hyde Park when Frankie was picked  up.  Then the only way to get back to Westdale would have been to do a U turn or else go up to Oxford to turn back into the subdivision just past Oakridge High School.

Did the perpetrator offer Frankie a radio that needed batteries? Did he tell Frankie that he needed to get the batteries just before he would take the boy to Westdale?  If the route to Westdale had been right on the way to the hardware store, Frankie would have been perturbed by not having been dropped off.  His abductor wouldn't have brought him in to the store if he kenw the boy was upset and might blow his cover.  Instead, Frankie was behaving normally as a kid might in a store?

Just some thoughts -  this is the first I had heard of Frankie being seen alive.  Also, travelling eastward on Oxford would fall literally in line with the fact that Frankie's body was found east of London in the river.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on May 26, 2011, 11:03:32 PM
Looks like we were both thinking along the same lines, at about the same time, wbri!

I know the flower shop you mean-- it's Gammage Flowers, at 747 Waterloo. Their website has a history page which says about the location:

"The Gammage family sold the business in the 1970's to London businessman John McKerlie who in the early 1980's relocated the store to it's present location at the corner of Waterloo and Oxford streets. The present owner, Judite Holder, is only the fourth owner of Gammage Flowers, a flower shop that is rich in history and tradition.

The shop's present location is in a building with a long history in the City of London. Built in the 1880's,  this location once held a tavern that was frequented by the Black Donnellys. Later it was London's first Supertest Gas Station and over the years it has also housed a general store and The Drover Drug store. When you come into the store you can still see many of the original details including the original pine plank floors."


It doesn't say a hardware store, so I don't know if that would be the specific location we're looking for, but possibly. If I recall correctly, there is also a Pharma Plus drug store & post office across the street at the southeast corner. Perhaps that could also have been the location?


(EDIT: Looking at Google Maps reminds me that there is now a Shell gas station on the northwest corner and a vacant lot on the north east corner, which in the 90's when I lived in the area was a gas station and a Burdock's Cleaners. But before that, I don't know. I wonder how one would find that out?)

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on May 27, 2011, 05:19:23 AM
There definitely was no hardware store at Waterloo and Oxford Street in 1968.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on May 27, 2011, 05:46:17 AM
Hi Folks,

Thanks for the effort on trying to recall the Waterloo/Oxford intersection back in the late '60's.  The police were following up on a lead that involved a hardware store that might have been anywhere along Waterloo Street (ie. not limited to the Oxford Street - Waterloo intersection);  sorry if I unintentionally made it appear that the police were especially focused on the one specific corner.  The Waterloo-Oxford intersection seemed a good place to consider initially because there are, and have been, a number of businesses there over the years - and it is a location that would have other implications as well.   If anyone has any memories of hardware stores anywhere along Waterloo street, or close to it (including nearby streets such as Richmond or Adelaide) it would be useful to add this information to this thread.

Various reports about seeing Frankie, in the day(s) after his disappearance, can be seen within the LFP articles previously posted.   What made this one more credible than the others?  The witness had found it strange that the boy in the store was not at school (therefore the sighting was during school hours);additionally, Frankie's hat was not store bought and was very recognizable.   The police took the tip very seriously.  It was not likely that Frankie had a transistor radio with him when he left for school that day.  According to the witness providing the tip, the boy did not display any fear.

As a specific question:  does anyone recall if there was a hardware store near the Richmond/Oxford Street intersection.  There is a Home Hardware very close to this (just a bit southof Oxford Street on Richmond), but whether it or another hardware store may have existed circa 1969/70 would be relevant. 

Gibbons
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on May 27, 2011, 10:11:51 AM
Re: Hardware store:   I wanted to confer with a couple of my siblings (we grew up in the Piccadilly/Waterloo St. area) before I posted about the rest of Waterloo Street and "close" to it.

I can confidently state that there were no hardware stores located on Waterloo Street from Horton Street,  north to the end of Waterloo. I don't know if there was one south of Horton, on the other side of the railway tracks.

I'm not sure how "close to Waterloo St." is defined, but I will list two stores a few blocks away from Waterloo St. which were operating in 1968.   Wallace Home Hardware at 744 Richmond St., close to Oxford ( 2 blocks west of Waterloo).  The other store was not a hardware store, but sold lamps, electrical supplies, extension cords etc...Hale Electric, Colborne St., just south of the tracks on Pall Mall St. It was torn down some years ago.

There were several variety stores along Colborne St., which runs parallel to Waterloo St.  Most of the current variety stores were operating in 1968.  I don't recall that any of them had a "hardware section" per se.  The same applies to other neighbouring variety stores.

If there is any further description of the "hardware store" or its location, I will gladly take a second look.

Have Faith

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on May 27, 2011, 10:21:30 AM
Hello Have Faith,

By strange coincidence, I think I amended my previous post about one second before you added your post (wow!).  In case you didn't notice that it was amended - take a quick peak - you must be psychic!  Thanks very much for taking the time to find out more about Waterloo Street.  It is wonderful to be able to tap into such a wealth of memories of the area! 

The area of interest can in fact include Adelaide and Richmond Street (see amended post)...and you have actually answered my question about Wallace Hardware and whether it existed back circa 1969.  Thanks very much for the information! 

Gibbons

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on May 27, 2011, 02:26:54 PM
Thanks Gibbons for pointing out your amendment, as it wasn't there when I began typing my post.

Taking a look at Richmond and Adelaide streets, and some in between,  produced two locations of interest for circa 1969.
Coops Buildall, formerly at 620 Adelaide St. N (at Central Ave.) Today it is TRAD'S Furniture.
Plaza Home Hardware, 1080 Adelaide St. N. (at Regent St., located in the strip plaza)

There are two locations of which we are not sure of their status circa 1969.  A building at the NE corner of Piccadilly and William Streets and a building in a row of stores on the NW corner of Richmond and Broughdale Streets.

FYI: The Plaza Home Hardware store was owned by Robert Bruce Stapylton's step-father. Bruce's 1969 unsolved murder was included in Project Angel.

With regards to the witness at the hardware store who saw Frankie with a man, I am curious as to how his description of Frankie's hat convinced LE that it was a credible claim. The London Free Press posted a picture of Frankie wearing what looks like a hand knitted hat.  It resembles the various LFP descriptions which stated it was a black wool toque, with a Norwegian, white and green star design. Is this not the hat Frankie was wearing the day he disappeared?  I'll assume that there was another detail(s) that wasn't published and was noted by the witness.


Have Faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on May 27, 2011, 02:37:34 PM
I could see if the London Room has old phone book listings and check to see if there were any other stores along Waterloo or area that may fit the description of a hardware store. I have to say that Wallace Hardware on Richmond seems possible, but why describe it as on or near Waterloo when Richmond is a more significant street and 2 blocks away at that?  Anyway, I'll see if there's any other possibility, maybe not near Oxford.

As I discovered above, Gammage Flowers also used to be a general store and a drug store. Could either of these meet the 'hardware' criterion, if in existence at the time?

 

 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on May 27, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Hi rkay,
To clarify, I posted before Gibbons made an amendment to include Richmond and Adelaide Streets.  I noted that Wallace Hardware was 2 blocks away from Waterloo St.,  but thought it was worth including.

The Waterloo/Oxford intersection was made up of either gas stations or drug stores in 1968 and to the present.  Before 1968, the SW corner was Flitton's grocery store.
It may have been possible to buy batteries at all of these establishments, as well as any variety store in the area. It was just my own interpretation to not include them as Hardware Stores. ( Nor do I recall that they had a separate section for hardware merchandise).  But that is certainly open for interpretation.

It would be great if you could find old phone book listings for 1969/1970 at the London Room.  It was difficult for us to remember the stores, once we looked outside of our neighbourhood.

BTW..you must have a chair with your name on it at the library's London Room :-)

Have Faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on May 27, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Ha ha, I do always sit in the same seat. :)

And did today. Managed to drop in there before the library closed tonight to look at the 1967-69 phone books (on microfiche, of course) to follow up. To make a long story short, I didn't find any listings for hardware stores on Waterloo anywhere. What I did find:

- there was Lumb's Hardware Store at 785 Adelaide (just slightly north of Oxford, almost at the corner)

- Gammage Flowers at 747 Waterloo was in fact Drover's IDA Drug Store at the time. Could they have had a hardware section?

-along those lines, Wilton Pharmacy was at 879 Waterloo at Grovesnor, north of Oxford, but I understand that was strictly an old-style pharmacy rather than the more generalized type drug store we have now, so I don't know if it had batteries or necessarily sold what could be referred to as 'hardware', unless someone could tell me differently.

-started thinking that maybe 'hardware' might also mean radio/electric parts, but nothing conclusive there either. There was Jones & Hare Electric at 404 Pall Mall (at Colborne), and also L-X TV & Radio Service ("specializing in European makes"), but that's past Adelaide at 991 Oxford. There was also Juba Hardware Store at 996 Oxford, for that matter, but really, this area is getting beyond anything that could be called Waterloo at this point.

So I don't know; the "Waterloo St." and "hardware store" aspects don't really seem to be pointing towards a conclusive match. All I can think is that one of those criteria must be slightly different than described. Either it wasn't quite a hardware store, or the actual location must be somewhat mis-described and be farther away from Waterloo. A little confusing.

I'm tending to favour Wallace Home Hardware (being the closest to Waterloo), and Drover's Drug Store (being accurate location-wise) as the most likely options, but it would be nice to get some clarification somehow. Thoughts?
 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: gibbons on May 27, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
rkay and Have Faith,

Seriously...you guys are amazing!

Gibbons
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on June 05, 2011, 08:30:26 AM
Having read the recent article in the LFP about the 37 year old cold case and the OPP's refusal to assist in an independent inquiry, why would anyone assist police?  Clearly this case wasn't properly investigated to begin with so why wouldn't the OPP hand over information if for no other reason than to get it off their books?  Reflects negatively  on them no matter how you look at it and I suppose that's the problem.  There are far too many cold cases in the London area and certainly some with similarities.  The various police forces don't share information even amongst themselves.  How does this help the community at large?  It doesn't and it's our tax dollars that pay them.  I'm mad as hell!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on June 05, 2011, 02:28:53 PM
Just so everyone's up to speed on what jensen's referring to, I also posted this in Karen Caughlin's thread on the board here:

The police are trained from the get-go to never say 'sorry', so I'm not surprised in the least they would refuse to admit mistakes or wrongdoing, or allow themselves to be seen as not doing their job. Infuriating.

Here's links to the articles below; I don't think the London Free Press actually printed these in the paper and are available only online. I'll post jpegs of a printed copy of each though in case the links disappear.

"Murdered girl's family: Cops botched investigation" (May 31, 2011):  http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/05/31/18216096.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/05/31/18216096.html)

"OPP Nixes Murder Review" (June 1, 2011):  http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/06/01/18221536.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011/06/01/18221536.html)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on November 30, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
Considering Frankie is the whole reason I came to this board in the first place, and the articles posted here inspired me to work on the other case threads and contribute the same, I feel remiss in not adding more to Frankie's thread here. While most of the main information is covered, I think there's a few LFP pieces out there that would be good to add, for the sake of completeness. I'm sure there's more and will try to find them.

Here's one I stumbled on today, from April 20, 1968:
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 01, 2011, 06:03:37 PM
Thanks rkay for that article.  I've always wondered what that "good lead" was that LE seemed hopeful about.  It is so disappointing to know that it was obviously important enough for them to make a public announcement, and then to never hear another word about it.  Makes you wonder if it was proven fruitless or if they couldn't get hard evidence to arrest somebody.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on December 01, 2011, 08:58:48 PM
It makes me wonder if it was all just a story to make people think they had something.

I drive past the corner of Hyde Park and Riverside often. There is an older home on the north west corner that must have been there then. Between Riverside and Valetta... maybe two houses that would have been there then but that's it. Going west on Riverside, there has always been the remnants of an old fence. Concrete posts and the odd stone pillar kind of thing... built of river rocks. Which house did the field the kids cut through belong to? There were reports of the kids being chased... was it the farmer trying to get the kids off the property? It just seems odd that there was this going on yet the police did nothing
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 02, 2011, 08:28:53 AM
It makes me wonder if it was all just a story to make people think they had something.

I drive past the corner of Hyde Park and Riverside often. There is an older home on the north west corner that must have been there then. Between Riverside and Valetta... maybe two houses that would have been there then but that's it. Going west on Riverside, there has always been the remnants of an old fence. Concrete posts and the odd stone pillar kind of thing... built of river rocks. Which house did the field the kids cut through belong to? There were reports of the kids being chased... was it the farmer trying to get the kids off the property? It just seems odd that there was this going on yet the police did nothing

The house on the North West corner of Hyde Park/Riverside belonged to a faamily named Gore. Very nice people. Mr. Gore made a skating rink on his front lawn each year for the neighbourhood children. The old fence and stone pillars were part of the Hazelden Estate...outlining the property boundaries. the field that the children used to get to school was farther north on Hyde Park. there is a clear map posted on this site. the police "did nothing" because other than one time, the principal at the school did not tell them of the many reports of men in the field.
He told us we had wild imaginations that we needed to "rail in".
hope this helps
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 02, 2011, 08:59:20 AM
0713588--Could you tell us more details about these men who were in the field leading to the school?  What did they look like, how many were there, how old were they, did they have weapons, were they serious in trying to catch a child, how many times did this happen, etc.  Did they stop after Frankie disappeared?

It is incredulous that a school principal would accuse different children of making this up.  Do you know if the police thoroughly investigated these claims after Frankie was abducted?  Were the children's claims ever taken seriously?

Thanks,

Have faith

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on December 02, 2011, 11:02:53 PM
Thank you for clearing that up. I have seen the map but wasn't sure which home would have owned the land itself. Thank you VERY much for clearing up the stone pillar question as well. I've always wondered that. I should look up some history on the estate.

It seems that Frankie's murder not only brought about the Block Parents and new attendance policies but perhaps made principals accountable for their students. When I was in school, if something was reported or suspected, the school had 24 hours to report it to the police.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 03, 2011, 06:06:37 AM
The estate was known as the "Little Estate".  It has a very interesting history. Have fun with your research.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 04, 2011, 09:57:44 AM
Have Faith,
Your questions have spawned a rather lengthy, but necessary reply. I'm sorry, but I hope I can draw a picture clearly enough with words, that in your mind's eye, you can walk along the pathway through the telling.

I reported that men were lurking in the field three times to the principal. I know that mine were not the only reports. We had all seen them and we all knew to be watchful. On the three occasions that I witnessed, there were no visible weapons involved. Each time it was a single man. I cannot say whether it was the same man or not. I cannot say if his intentions were to catch a child, he could have been an exhibitionist, only he would know that.

The first two times I reported seeing a man lurking, nothing was done. I was told to "rein in" my imagination (sorry for the previous typo). The third time was different. I was in the seventh grade, walking to school with two younger children (Frankie's age) from the neighbourhood. We entered the pathway from Hyde Park Road. To our right, the path was long grass. To our left was bush and scrub. The pathway winded into the scrub, down a slope to a creek. Ahead,was  a small forest. We crossed the creek and went up the slope on the other side. At the top of the slope,  on our right, was tall grass. On our left, the forest. Just ahead, the pathway veered left towards the forest into a treed scrubby area. After this thicket, we knew that the pathway would emerge from the thicket to a field all the way to the school.

We knew that some of our friends were behind us because we saw them as we left Hyde Park Road and heard them laughing, so we decided to hide there in the last thicket and jump out to scare them. I crouched at the back with the younger ones in front of me and we waited very quietly. It wasn't long until I heard a noise behind me. I turned around to see a crouched man, no more than seven feet away. I screamed "Run" and we ran as fast as we could to school and the principal's office. He could see how frightened we were. The police were called and when they arrived, the principal and two officers left the school on foot. We were told they hadn't found anything and we heard nothing more about it.

From a young person's point of view, It is difficult to say how old this stalker was. He was crouched and so I can't even say how tall. He was wearing what I would describe as a uniform...short, green jacket, matching pants and a cap. He was fair skinned with dark hair and eyebrows. After Frankie's disappearance, I understand that the neighbourhood children were driven to school. Those of us who had gone on to high school no longer used the path but walked the longer route up Hyde Park to Oxford Street. As to whether the police investigated our reports in more depth, I can only hope that they did.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 04, 2011, 11:52:39 AM
Thank you 071358 for relating your first hand experience with this predator.  What a terrifying tale.

Around the same time as Frankie's abduction, it was reported by a poster on the "If you grew up in London" face book page that a man referred to as the "Candy Man" had been stalking students at Oak Park elementary school, which, as you know, was located nearby.  I am trying to locate the post, but I recall he drove a white van, and a warning note was sent home to parents. Chickapey can verify or correct me on this.  The green uniform you mention made me think of the white van.

I would have to imagine that the police would have thoroughly investigated the experience that you had, once Frankie went missing, although I am surprised that you weren't re-interviewed.  I thought it odd that the media reported about the men on the trail, but never expounded on it.  Perhaps they were silenced by LE, as it was part of their investigation.

Thanks again for your post.

Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on December 04, 2011, 12:26:15 PM
I am having trouble finding it too HF... I do remember the post and how close Oak Park was to the area. I wonder if this was after Frankie's disappearance because previous to this, no one seems to take the kids seriously.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 04, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
Thanks Chick--I found the post.  The year was "1968--give or take a year".  No mention of what vehicle he used to lure the kids.  The white van must be from another incident. 

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 04, 2011, 02:35:39 PM
Have Faith,
Do you have any idea about the age of this Candy Man?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 04, 2011, 03:12:02 PM
Chickapey has messaged the poster to see if there are any more details about the "candy man".   I will turn this over to Chick.  I know the poster is trying to remember events from 43 years ago, and that is tough to do.  Many times when I go back that far, I imagine steam coming out of my ears. lol

Hopefully more info will follow.

Over to you Chick.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on December 04, 2011, 07:21:39 PM
The poster is going to check with her family to see what they remember. It seems it was round the time of the murders though... no wonder... two murders in such close proximity... Jackie Dunleavy and Frankie. My cousin lived on Oxford St across from the Mosque at the time and she would have been about Jackie's age. She remembers the time vividly because before this, she could leave and go around town pretty much all day without her parents paying too much mind as long as she was home for dinner. She said after Jackie Dunleavy, everything changed. It was a case of "if you're not with a friend or two, you're not going" and having to be told where she was at all times, calling home, getting rides from parents or older brothers etc.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on December 04, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
Thanks for the first hand account, 071358. Very interesting, and gives a better idea of the topography of that path.

Unfortunately, it also doesn't surprise me that no one took it seriously... but no doubt after Jan 9 and Feb 9 1968, (and several dates in the next few years afterwards) London lost some of its sleepy small-town innocence (naivete?) and was forced to wake up a little .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: flower on December 06, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
goNOgo
Just want you to know that the more eyes looking into these old cases, the better....much appreciated.


Did anyone ever research the farming community in the area leads that wore uniforms at the time?
I saw threads about other people who went missing then to and I recall mention of children then seeing a man with a uniform.

I also recall the area to be remote but accessible to the park as it is now.

Is the report on here about sightings at hardware store true or fiction ?

I recall that time area that cameras brownies and radios were big gifts for children.

I also recall that strangers asking for directions or being with children say safety . Did the police look into these possibilties?

Often they get leads they ignore if people in authority or money might not want things explored.

I recall other crimes at the time being hushed by the adults at school and reported often late 1970's nothing done.

It is my sincere hope closure will arrive.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: freeman on January 10, 2012, 01:32:27 PM
This page has a video of the CFPL tv news report of the Frankie Jensen search it shows the stretch of road as it appeared at the time.

Go to the video marked "More than 500........

http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/cfpl/1968.aspx
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Buster on January 10, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
I am the poster who talked about the Candy Man scare at Oak Park Public School. I checked with my Mother and she too recalls that scare. She remembers the murders of Jackie and Frankie also. I played an awful lot in the big swampy wasteland just east of the London Hunt Club, as did other kids back then. I also played in the woods on the north edge of Oakridge Park. Around the time of the murders, there were reports of a stranger roaming both of these areas, so I was not allowed to play there anymore. In the swamp, I found a dug out den in the ground that contained Playboy magazines. At the time I assumed it was a hideout for the local boys, but in hindsite now...I often wonder if it was a hideout for "the man" who was allegedly seen in the area. I wonder if he was abusing boys there.  I am sorry that I cannot recall more detail than this. I donot recall anything about a white van or a man in uniform but my memory is likely not that good.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Buster on January 10, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
Possible link! I just re-read the thread on Jacqueline Dunleavy's murder. Galaxygirl talks about accepting an offer of a ride to school, in a van, she recognized the driver as the "man who serviced the coffee machine at Stanley Variety". Wouldn't he have been wearing a Uniform? What colour was the van? Almost made my heart skip a beat!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 13, 2012, 11:40:58 AM
Welcome, Foghorn.  This is an interesting twist to things with the introduction of the transients. They likely would have done a good job at scaring kids being as they were either mentally ill or just down on life and mad at the world. You expect more of this in the depression era but obviously during this time, the homeless needed to get from point A to B.

I would think Frankie especially would have run like the wind from someone like this or anyone else if he did not know them. This is what bothers me... his brother says he was scared of the river... a little timid maybe... I don't see someone like this going with an adult unless he knew them or was taken by force.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on January 14, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
Took a trip to learn more about where Frankie was discovered.

After careful consideration of the map accompanying the April 13, 1968 LFP article (provided on page 2 of the thread), Frankie seems to have been found in the Thames River just east of Valleyview Road, slightly north of where it intersects Centre Road. His body was "bobbing in about three feet of water near the shoreline of a small island". If one looks at the Google satellite photo of the location there are two specifically possible locations for this island:

http://g.co/maps/bf3nz

(For some reason can't seem to get the Google Map image embedded properly -- but clicking on the above link should take you to it.)

On the LFP article map, the arrow points to just below the lot division line. This property line can be seen in the image above to the left. In the river just below that line (if it was extended), one will notice a raised portion in the water. This could be the island, albeit when the satellite image was taken, the water level would have been higher. (The other possibility is that the extensive beach bulging from the west bank might have been covered with water (in which case the river was higher in April 1968, but I'm more likely to see the former area as more likely.)

Things might also become clearer when looking at this image; here is a much higher-res version of the LFP photo of landowner Frank O'Shaugnessy pointing to where Frankie was discovered:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/70LFPApril131968.jpg)

(Courtesy London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, April 13, 1968)

There's definitely a fair distance between shoreline and the raised island (enough for a dog to swim in-- I had no idea that lump at the bottom of the pic was a dog until I saw the clarified image!).

Mr. O'Shaugnessy seems to be pointing to the farther side of the island, meaning Frankie was floating close to the center of the river until he was caught here. The article indicates the water flowed at four miles an hour here, which is about an average person's walking speed. Certainly that doesn't seem to have been fast enough to continue pulling Frankie (I'm guessing about 65-70 pounds?) from the shallower water along the island edge. (For that matter, take a look at the photo again, and you can see that other things have washed up on the edge of the island as well, likely meaning the main spring thaw by this point in 1968 had already happened and the water level had receded.)

But where might have Frankie have been deposited into the water? The shoreline of the river for several miles prior is somewhat distant from the road itself. In fact, just slightly north of where Frankie was found, the view from the road looks like this:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge5-foundsite.jpg)

This is also possibly the clearest view and flattest area down to the river within a couple of miles north of the discovery spot, and the river bends even farther away from the road as one travels north. While I certainly can't fathom everything the perpetrator might have done, I'm fairly certain that he did not carry Frankie across uneven terrain several hundred meters through brush and trees, likely in the dark for less chance of discovery, and possibly leaving a trail in the February snow for landowners to question.

So, obviously it had to be somewhere quick and easily accessible...

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on January 15, 2012, 01:04:19 AM
While there is no way of knowing anything for sure at this point (unless somebody would like to come forward), I would think the simplest solution tends to be the likeliest.
 

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge1.jpg)


Two and a half kilometres (about 3 km of river) north of Frankie's discovery site is Plover Mills Road, a.k.a. Middlesex County Road 16.  The intersection of Valleyview and this road is where the village of Plover Mills once stood, until it vanished at the end of the 19th century-- not one building from that village remains. At the bottom of a wide, deep valley is a large bridge there. On the south side, the remains of the older bridge that once connected the village to the east side can still be seen emerging from the water.

One can see the valley the Thames travels through is very wide, and the river spreads and is not necessarily very deep at this point. In fact, borrowing a photo from the Plover Mills Farm horse farm website that now exists on the Valleyview southeast corner (and apologies to the owners in advance if they'd prefer this photo not used here), one can see that the river can get quite low in the summer a little farther downstream:


(http://www.plovermillsfarms.ca/Gallery_files/Media/Thames-River/Thames-River.jpg?disposition=download)


My speculation is that Frankie's killer deposited Frankie over the side of this bridge not long after abducting and murdering him (meaning within 24 hours of the morning of Feb. 9th). Because of the tissue in his mouth (suggesting a need for speedy and violent subjugation) and incomplete state of undress (pants and boots off, but not shirt and undershirt, indicates haste), I believe Frankie was assaulted quickly and then disposed of at the killer's earliest convenience.  This is in contrast to Jackie English, who was completely nude (with earrings even removed), and because her body was found much sooner, the coroner's estimate on timing suggested she may have not been put in the water until up to 48 hours after her abduction. So, likely in the evening of February 9th, or before sunrise on the 10th, the killer drove up to this bridge, pulled Frankie's body out of his car and dropped him over the side, then sped away.


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge2.jpg)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge1a.jpg)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge4.jpg)


As an alternate possibilty, it could be that the killer pulled off the main road onto the service lane, seen above, which once was the main line towards the old bridge. There seems to be a county shed or some sort at the end of it on the riverbank, and I suppose Frankie could have been taken out there, less apparent to any scrutiny from suddenly appearing drivers. That would require that way to have been plowed, and I'm not sure that would have been done. The driver would also risk getting stuck backing out, since there'd be no room to turn around. Still, it might have given the killer more time for whatever reason.

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge3.jpg)


The police divers never found any other articles of clothing, boots or Frankie's lunchpail in their searches of the river. It's possible these items were never even brought to this site but left wherever Frankie was first taken, or perhaps in the car (though one might think if that was the case, that those pieces would also go over the side at the same time then, to remove all trace from the vehicle).  Of course at this point, the killer was in no hurry, as police were only just starting to search along the Thames, but completely on the other side of the city, 17 miles away, for a lost child or runaway. No one would be thinking to be keeping an eye out for anything unusual all this way north of Thorndale, and certainly not along a river in the middle of a particularly cold winter. It wasn't until two full months later that a search would even be considered around the area.

Who knows what might have been discovered, or remembered, if only poor Frankie had been seen here sooner.


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Thorndalebridge6.jpg)








Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on January 15, 2012, 04:04:22 AM
Remarkable work Yet again RKAY. Do you ever sleep?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 15, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
Excellent as always, Rkay. I think your theory of the killer using the bridge is the most likely solution. It would have been the quickest route and if done at night, better still. No one would really be around. I find it interesting too that the children taken and majority of young women were all in the west end of the city. Would this be indicative of the killer or killers staying in a 'comfort zone'? There must have been at least average knowledge of the Thorndale area as well as the Otterville area as these roads wouldn't be obvious to people today let alone 40+ years ago

The missing items could have been tossed anywhere however I do feel there is something connecting the shoes of the victims. It seems that in Frankie's case his boots would have to have been taken off if his pants were (just going by how hard it is to take off a child's pants with shoes or boots on. Having said this, the killer must have taken at least some time otherwise I'd think his pants would have still been at his ankles.  I hate being graphic with these cases!

I'd think the killer did keep something from the incident though and could have tossed the rest in any dumpster or ditch anywhere.

Considering the time he was missing, I'd assume it was impossible to determine how long he had between abduction and death but I would think he was likely with the killer less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on January 15, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
rkay--great photos and reasoning things through.  I agree that the Plover Mills bridge or access road is a likely place to put Frankie in the water, and if it was the access road the killer should know the area quite well.   But it would be very helpful to get a confirmation on exactly where his body was found.  LE had said a mile and a half north of the Thorndale bridge, so I think you and foghorn are pretty close.  I also thought the landowner was on the east bank pointing to the island on the west.  But then, I am directionally challenged.

Good work rkay.  And btw DO you ever sleep?  lol
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on January 15, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
Glad to have you here, foghorn!

For my determination of location, I was totally using the April 13/68 LFP article map and accepting the arrow's specific indication of location as accurate. The arrow is pointing ABOVE the hamlet of Friendly Corners to the east, on Oliver Drive, which, heading westward, would become Centre (if the river didn't break it up). So anything below Centre wasn't even a consideration. I then compared the map against the Google satellite image as closely as possible to gauge the spot.

Having said that, the location you suggest, foghorn, 600m south of Centre, does seem to resemble what you describe. What's more, that location is 1.6 miles away from Thorndale Road , which parallels the "1 1/2 miles north of Thorndale Bridge" as described in the April 13 article. So which is correct, text or image? I'm more inclined to believe the text now. Boo, 1960's LFP graphics department!!!

The indication of the arrow also prejudiced me to see O'Shaughnessy as standing on the west bank looking east. If anyone knows for sure one way or another, let me know. If not, I'll do my own search to find out where his property was specifically.

Either way, I'm hoping to get down there in the spring to be absolutely definite. And it doesn't really change the discussion much about Plover Mills bridge or distance from the road across property, just that if the more southern location is accurate it means Frankie floated another kilometre downstream.

Thanks folks!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: galaxygirl on January 16, 2012, 11:24:09 PM
Possible link! I just re-read the thread on Jacqueline Dunleavy's murder. Galaxygirl talks about accepting an offer of a ride to school, in a van, she recognized the driver as the "man who serviced the coffee machine at Stanley Variety". Wouldn't he have been wearing a Uniform? What colour was the van? Almost made my heart skip a beat!

I can't remember if the man wore a uniform but the van was white. Is it possible that the schools in London had coffee machines that were stocked and serviced by this company?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on January 17, 2012, 06:23:57 AM
GG: in the thread for JD's case, I am wondering if you might comment on the general level of traffic on Stanley Street during a weekday in the early evening (6:30) when JD's shift would have ended.  My recollection (and I was quite young) was that, at least at that time of day, that area had a lot of traffic.  Also - 2nd question - would it be likely that a coffee machine service company - would be visiting the store at this time, or would it generally be a morning visit?   Hope you can help!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on January 22, 2012, 06:36:33 AM
Nearing the 44th anniversary and just wanted to say how much I appreciate all your hard work, analysis and diligence in the search for answers to all these murders.  You are truly exceptional people.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on January 22, 2012, 09:50:30 AM
Jensen--thank you so much for your kind words.  Your encouragement and appreciation as a family member is greatly valued by each of us.

Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: debbiec on January 22, 2012, 12:59:37 PM

Nearing the 44th anniversary and just wanted to say how much I appreciate all your hard work, analysis and diligence in the search for answers to all these murders.  You are truly exceptional people.


I totally agree that you are exceptional people. Definitely one of the most hard working groups on this site. You have all shown tremendous dedication to what you do here. Your ability to work together is admirable, and your tireless efforts to find answers to these murders is much appreciated.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on January 22, 2012, 03:02:01 PM
Debbiec, let me be the first to chime in here and thank you for the compliment. :-)  I am very fortunate to belong to a wonderful group consisting of rkay, Gibbons, Chickapey and goNgo who have all been genuinely dedicated to the London cases.  They are truly exceptional people.

Hf
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 23, 2012, 06:14:27 AM
Bente and everyone..... this thought woke me up in the middle of the night... I think we all agreed Frankie wouldn't have taken a ride with a strange man but what if there was a woman in the car too? Similar to the methods used to abduct Kristen French or Victoria Stafford... using a woman to lure the child away?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on January 23, 2012, 06:42:30 AM
...and given the number of events which seem to have begun by a victim accepting a ride, perhaps the possibility of a female accomplice should be given some serious consideration.  Not to take things too far from what we know, but it might account for JE accepting a ride (and I think I recall she was seen entering the back seat of a car...thereby suggesting a driver and passenger already in car).   We have come to understand that Frankie was unlikely to accept a ride from a stranger, JD had little reason to accept a ride since the bus was likely on its way within minutes, JE was "on alert" against accepting a ride from strangers given the earlier scare. Soraya told the first driver who stopped for her that she was going in a different direction (perhaps did not want to accept a ride from a lone male) and then later accepted a ride.  LW seemed to be more likely to accept a ride - it was a way of getting back and forth from UWO to where she lived - but her guard might have been down if a female was already in the car.

If we combine "accepting a ride" and "missing shoes", do we come up with a short list of connected victims that might make sense from a serial perspective?  It would separate Irene Gibbon's case from the others, despite the "tissue"  connection.  It also separates DA, since - although the missing shoes aspect is similar and "use of a vehicle" by murderer is similar, DA had no reason to accept a ride since she had only a very short walk back from the variety store.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on January 23, 2012, 07:00:49 AM
Good Morning Chickapey and Foghorn
As I've stated, Frankie would never have gone willingly with a stranger and I believe he must have been forced into a car.  I doubt that a woman in the vehicle would have made a difference unless she was someone he knew.   At this point, I'd say anything is possible and all avenues should be explored...what is there to lose?  Again, many thanks to all of you for attacking these cases from every angle.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jeb on January 23, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
Hi Jensen:  My quick thoughts on Frankie's case.  Right off the bat, five points stand out.

1.  Hyde Park Road appeared quite deso1ate in 1968;
2.  It was a weekday;
3.  It was 8:30 in the morning;
4.  No 1unch box or hat were found a1ong his route to schoo1.  (He didn't strugg1e, so knew his ki11er.); and
5.  The window of time for abducting Frankie was approximate1y 10 minutes.  (However 1ong it took him to get from his house to the path 1eading to the schoo1.)

Without going into detai1 and exp1aining the significance of each point, the picture I get in my head when I consider a11 of these points together, is this.  Whoever ki11ed Frankie was within 10 minutes of your house (by car) at 8:30 am.  (And there are a 1ot of reasons why this cou1d be.  Persons trave11ing to work, to schoo1, making de1iveries (maybe), etc, etc.)  But the most 1ike1y person being within 10 minutes of your home that morning (in my opinion) wou1d be a neighbor.  The picture I get in my head then, is of someone 1ooking out their window, (or possib1y someone out starting their car, or something 1ike this) seeing Frankie by himse1f (since he's running 1ate) hurrying off to schoo1.  This person may previous1y have been friend1y with Frankie, said "hi," or possib1y even knew him.  (Showed some interest in him.)  And by the way, when I say neighbor, I'm referring to anyone who cou1d have seen Frankie from their window or from their house, anywhere between your house and the path to his schoo1.  So, If I were researching Frankie's case I wou1d get a 1ist of everyone on the appropriate streets.  (From the 1ondon room at the 1ibrary.)  There might be a chance Frankie's ki11er is on that 1ist. 

Another point to consider is what type of person is home at 8:30 am on a weekday.  Someone out of work, a retiree, an afternoon or night shift worker, etc, etc.  (Just some quick examp1es.)

Moving on to the dump site.  If the abductor was a neighbor, then he might previous1y have 1ived in Thornda1e.  The thought that jumps into my head though, is, that he is a fisherman.

With regards to the "tissue victims."  If my memory serves me right, I be1ieve I read that one of the tissue victims was masked.  (IE. Her c1othing was pu11ed up over her face.)  This is usua11y a good sign that the ki11er knew his victim.  As we11, her body was found fair1y c1ose to her home suggesting (to me) that the ki11er was from the area and knew the area we11.  (I be1ieve that the area where her body was found is a1so a fishing spot.)  The window of time for abducting this victim can't be more that 20 minutes.  (I'm just guessing here.)  So, whoever was in the area that night, probab1y (or at 1east might have) be1onged in that area.  I'm getting the same picture here, of the ki11er seeing the victim (from his window or from somewhere nearby) on her way to the store.  Again, If researching this case, I wou1d get a 1ist of everyone who cou1d see the victim between the apartment she 1eft, and the store.  There might be a chance the ki11er is on that 1ist.  I wou1d then compare this 1ist to Frankie's 1ist, 1ooking for a common person.

There is one other thought that has crossed my mind with respect to Frankie's case.  Frankie was "the boy who 1oved tobogganing."  I'm guessing that the Hunt C1ub might be a great p1ace to toboggan.  (Go1f courses usua11y are, I be1ieve.)  Is it possib1e that Frankie was on his way home from tobogganing at the Hunt C1ub on the night of January 9th.  And, is it possib1e that whoever was parked in the driveway of the Katherine Har1ey schoo1 might have noticed Frankie on his way home, but wasn't sure whether or not Frankie had noticed him or them.  An interesting coincidence:  According to the Free Press, the boys who the po1ice questioned with regards to January 9th, said they went to that area to toboggan.  Interesting as we11, is the 1ocation of another schoo1 in 1983.                                       
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on January 24, 2012, 06:06:50 AM
Thank you Jeb for your analysis of Frankie's case.  Because we know that Frankie would never take a ride from a stranger it makes sense that his lunchbox would have been lost in a struggle and hence found.  I agree that Frankie would have accepted a ride with someone he knew and that person lived or was perhaps related to someone in our neighbourhood....he'd have to have known that person well and trusted him.
As to toboganning, we never went to the Hunt Club and Frankie would not have gone out after dark without one of us so I think that idea can be ruled out.  We did all our toboganning at Thames Valley golf course and I don't recall being out there much at night.  Frankie certainly wouldn't have been out there alone or with boys his own age. He was a shy and somewhat timid little boy and wouldn't have braved the dark alone.
Your input is greatly appreciated Jeb.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on January 24, 2012, 06:18:52 AM
Jeb:  Terrific insight.  Thanks for sharing this with us.  In your post, on the last line, are you thinking about the proximity of Fanshawe College to Killaly Road?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on January 24, 2012, 08:20:37 AM
Jeb,
Good thinking and suggestions.  My guess is Clarke Road Secondary School. :-)

Hf
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on January 30, 2012, 09:04:12 PM
I'm honoured to share a much better version of the now well-known image of Frankie here.

Besides giving us a view of his unusual hat, which he was wearing on February 9th, it allows us to see more clearly just who we're doing this all for-- a happy, healthy young boy who deserved much better.  When it comes to the cases on this board, it's probably good for us once in a while to spend a moment celebrating the life they enjoyed rather than on how they died.

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Frankie-1967.jpg)


Photo courtesy of the Jensen family, taken by K.B. Simonsen in late December 1967, around Christmas. To the Jensens, thanks very much for sharing this with us.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 30, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
Wow. What a darling little boy.

Your words are perfect Rkay. This is who we are here for. Looking at him, you can tell what a sweet child he was. He looks like a shy little boy with a dash of mischief. He looks kind and like the kind of boy who would have had a large circle of friends, loyal and would have made life long friends.

I can't understand what kind of human could have possibly done this to  such a little boy or what kind of person who knew something about it could not tell someone what they know.

Frankie will never be forgotten
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on January 31, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
What a wonderful photo.  I would also like to thank the Jensen family for sharing it with us.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Concerned on January 31, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
Frankie has a beautiful heavenly and innocent smile. It is wonderful the world had a few moments of his as a gift. The world is a better place with Frankies within it.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 01, 2012, 03:57:16 AM
This morning I looked through the pictures of London's unsolved posted by Rkay and was reminded of all the cases we've followed through the years.  I felt I was looking back at people I once knew...like looking at a school yearbook.  I think it would really help the people who work so hard on solving these cases to have clear pictures of all London's unsolved.  It's unfortunate that they must rely on ancient newspaper clippings for images of our lost loved ones.  I know there must be family and friends of all these victims following this board and I for one, would really appreciate a clear picture of each and every one of them.  Thank you Rkay for posting Frankie's picture here.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 03, 2012, 06:51:03 AM
Screen capture photo from a CFPL video on the Ontario Archives website:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S2e4CHlAGe0/TyvUjTpyGTI/AAAAAAAABUI/Q2_zdKXPsww/s291/hyde%2520park%2520side%2520rd%2520Feb%25201968.jpg)

This is a view of Hyde Park Rd in February 1968.  You can see how rural the area was at the time of Frankie's disappearance.

source:  http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/cfpl/videos/1968/3.aspx (http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/cfpl/videos/1968/3.aspx)

[Mods, please remove if this is not appropriate to post here. Thank you.]

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on February 03, 2012, 07:20:55 AM
Re gongo's posted photo.
This picture was taken at the corner of Riverside and Hyde Park Road looking North. The gravel pit is visible to the left and you can see that the road is straight, it does not curve as it does today. Thankyou for finding and posting it.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Logical on February 03, 2012, 01:22:41 PM
A couple of thoughts to add here RE: Frankie's willingness to get in a car, he could have been surprised or shocked/tasered and not fought at all.

Another commonality is the mention of the quarry and the farm land owner scaring them off. The children missing from the Burlington (Ontario) and north Burlington area (Cameron Marsh and Marrianne Schulett) are located in rural areas around a quarry as well, and had a farmer scaring kids off his property as well? Was it a quarry worker or a farmer (any farmers own land in the London and Campbellville/Burlington area) The drive from (London) quarry to (Burlington) quarry could take them through Carlisle/Kilbride-(Marrianne Schulett to Colling Road and Blind Line (Cameron Marsh)

Who wear green uniforms? I recall Burlington Hydro linesmen wore green work pants and shirts when they were working, my brother in law was a meter reader and this was his uniform, I know many farmers that would also wear the matching green pants and shirt. My Grandfather also wore the matching green pant and shirt when he worked on the railroad. So I bet you could purchase these types of work clothing at a store for work clothing and may not offer much to the LE.

Just thinking outloud
Logical
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 04, 2012, 11:07:18 AM
It's possible that Frankie was surprised. I don't think he would've been Tasered as that technology wasn't even thought of until 1969, the prototype built in 1974, and not in common usage with law enforcement until decades later. Still, there may have been a weapon that forced him into the car, which I think is the only likely reason for him to enter the car of a stranger.

Upon consideration, the logistics of him being forced into a vehicle are, in a practical sense, challenging:

Frankie would have been walking along the east side of Hyde Park Road, heading north. If the abductor was driving south, he would have had to pull over on the west side and encourage Frankie to come over across the road to talk to him. Being as he was already late for school and a cautious, shy boy, it seems less likely that he would willingly do so.

Now, if the abductor was driving north (or, possibly, driving south, and upon seeing Frankie, turn around to face north) he'd have to pull directly beside or slightly ahead of Frankie on the side of the road. This now means the driver is separated from Frankie by the passenger seat of the vehicle. I suppose if there was a bench seat in the front the driver could slide over, but it would still be awkward.  Even if the passenger window was down and Frankie was standing on the other side of it, given his small height, it'd be difficult for a driver to reach over and quickly pull him through into the car, even if Frankie didn't resist that at all, which no doubt he would have (and possibly dropping lunchbox, mittens, whatnot).  Of course, if he sensed any danger from the car's occupant (whether from the driver's demeanor, an aggressive physical act, or even a produced weapon), Frankie could also have simply stepped laterally back, to put himself out of range of the window, if he had in fact approached a strange vehicle at all. This is also assuming the driver is keeping an eye to be confident enough that there are no other vehicles, residents or pedestrians approaching in either direction to witness this, while trying to encourage a reluctant boy into the car (who would also be unfamiliar to him, for that matter-- not knowing what would work to motivate him).

It seems to me, then, given the positions of where they each would be, that for an abductor to forcibly put Frankie in his car, it would have been difficult to do without actually getting out of the vehicle. Which again, takes time, takes the chance of calling attention, and leaves signs of struggle (though, admittedly, who knows what clues might have been unwittingly disturbed that first weekend).

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened that way, but given the absence of many things that might indicate that, it seems simpler that Frankie got into a vehicle that suddenly pulled up beside him both quickly and willingly, because he somehow already knew the occupant. It takes more assumption on our part to make the facts fit a stranger. It also stands to reason that the abductor was familiar with the area and local routines (like general traffic, school times and student movement) to be able to quickly assess and take advantage of the situation of discovering Frankie alone on the road.

Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 04, 2012, 11:29:27 PM
Another thought, but have a look at the photo in my post above...see the car parked there?  What if someone stepped out from one of the driveways along Hyde Park Road and talked to Frankie, and then grabbed him? It could have caught him by surprise.

Just another thought.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 05, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
Thanks to the spectacular efforts of 071358, we now have a detailed working map of the Riverside/Hyde Park area in 1968, and Frankie's route along it:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Frankiesroute1968.jpg)

Here is a comparison with how it looks today:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Frankiesroute2012.jpg)




(I'll attach these files as a combined, slightly larger PDF below, in case anyone wants to download them.)



Thanks for the fantastic work, 071358. This allows a much better visualization of the area and Frankie's route.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 05, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I have to admit, I'm interested in this gas station on the southeast corner of HP and Riverside. Someone filling up, or possibly even working there, would have seen Frankie passing by on the sidewalk and heading, for several minutes, up the road by himself, giving time to consider the feasibility of picking him up.

I would think the gas station would have been open at 8:30 am; wonder how thoroughly the police investigated the goings-on there that morning.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 05, 2012, 04:03:08 PM
Can anyone confirm whether the gas station was operating in February 1968?

I know there are a number of locals on here.  Hopefully someone can confirm this.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 05, 2012, 04:17:37 PM
That space now is currently a two-story professional building. Not sure how long that has been there. I'll try to find out.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 05, 2012, 06:35:48 PM
I asked my mom about that gas station and she recalls it being open when she moved here in 1959.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on February 06, 2012, 06:29:32 AM
The map is very helpful and gives us a much better sense of where & why the LE may have placed their efforts.  Despite the weather, the area does provide a number of places where someone may have waited for an opportunity.  Wish I could help with the question of the gas station; by 1973/74 the gas station was closed,but had the look of a location that had only been closed for a couple of years (pumps were still in place, and sign had not fallen down).  Also, by 73/74 the gravel pit was slowly being changed into a landfil (large appliances and car chassis) in parts.  Not much help - but the London facebook site might help us get some answers.   My recollection of the gravel pit was that there was an access road onto HP road very near to where Frankie was last seen.  Perhaps this access road was created to facilitate the landfill function; it was there in 73/74 but may not have been there before (based on a discussion on the London facebook site, it seems that half of the people remembered it, the other half suggested it was not there).   The access road heading into the pit descended steeply from Hyde Park Road and a car parked in there would not be visible to homeowners on the other side of the road.  The field, across which Frankie would have walked, had also been used for years for cross country training (autumn months) for Oakridge high school kids.  I suppose the creeps who parked in the laneway may have had several venues of interest.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Logical on February 06, 2012, 01:14:30 PM
Yes the gas station is interesting, a mechanic could possibly wear the green pants and shirt and could have just lured Frankie into the station and not a car, he would have been easier to overpower here and clues could be hard to find in a gas station.  Did the gas station have a work bay to work on cars? Did the gas station have many vacant cars sitting on the lot? (waiting to be serviced or serviced and waiting for pick up)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 06, 2012, 05:39:32 PM
Took a drive to look at the bridges over the Thames River north of where Frankie was found, from just beyond St. Mary's down. Taking a look at the other bridges bolstered my opinion that the killer more likely used the Plover Mills Bridge to deposit Frankie.

The bridges in St. Mary's are far too narrow to pull over a car, but more importantly, it is entirely too populated around them. The downtown area of St. Mary's has a lot of roadway following along the Thames but there is far too much chance of being spotted and much of it currently behind fence. Not to mention, the Thames is quite narrow there and I'm not sure even in winter Frankie's body would've gone undetected that long.

Heading south, the Elginfield Road bridge (Hwy 7) has a very wide roadway and almost no soft shoulder to pull over to (in fact, when I did so, the cars behind me all chose to give a wide berth). Again, being in a deep valley, there would be every opportunity that a car could come over the crest on either side without much warning, which may have either spotted our killer, or possibly caused an accident. This highway would be a busier  thoroughfare too than the PM road.

So, the next bridge, heading south, is Plover Mills. Here's a better shot of the old bridge supports:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/PloverMillsBridgeFeb2012.jpg)

This is looking southward, at the small building (pumphouse?) just off the service road on the south side of the bridge:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/PloverMillsBridge3Feb2012.jpg)

And I was able to get a new piece of information, confirming that this was indeed in existence at the time:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/PloverMillsBridge2Feb2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on February 07, 2012, 07:19:16 AM
For those currently limited to Google Maps, if you take a look from Thorndale Rd (#28), glancing either up or downstream from there you can get a sense of the nature of the small islands that crop up along this portion of the Thames.  They are very low and likely would be completely overrun during a spring thaw when the river levels rise.  There used to be a lot of fencing that ran to the edge of the water (and in some parts of the Upper Thames actually might span parts of the river) and bits and pieces of historical -discarded fencing probably found their way onto the little island where Frankie was found and would have served to stop him from going further downstream.

Based on the bridge plaque - being built in 1965, is it also likely that the two service roads just to the south were also existent in 1965?  Do these provide access to the water pump buildings?  I notice, on Google that there is a red car parked at the end of the one on the west side of the river.  I wonder whether this a common place to park a car for those interested in hiking, fishing, or just looking for privacy.    Although these may have been impassible in winter, it is possible that the killer may have developed a familiarity with this bridge for other reasons -perhaps parking his car there in the past.  Just trying to think of what would make this particular bridge the killer's choice - compared to the Elginfield bridge, or the Thorndale Road bridge, all of which are in the same general area.

Curiously, the section of river south of Plover Mill Road seems to have a lot of fencing (I think it is wide wooden fencing, based on rkay's photo) on both sides of the river; the fencing runs for quite a distance.  I wonder what type of fencing would have existed there back in '68?

Thanks for posting the pictures of the bridge and surrounding structures. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 07, 2012, 08:11:55 AM
I'm truly amazed at the research that's being done here.  Thanks so much everyone for never giving up!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on February 07, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
Just wondering if anyone has information on what constitutes the boundaries of RR#1 Thorndale?  With reference to Scott Leishman, it is stated that he lived 1 mile from where Frankie was found; the only address is RR#1 Thorndale - which seems to include an area north of Thorndale, up along the Valley View Road.  Do we have a better, more exact location either of where Scott had lived and/or where it was that he accepted a ride?   If this was north of where Frankie was found (ie. upstream) perhaps it is significant.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 07, 2012, 01:02:25 PM
foghorn..although I couldn't find the answer re RR#1 Thorndale, maybe this question could be posed on Scott's thread and on the "London" face book page.

Logical--welcome to the forum and to Frankie's thread.  It is very possible that the garage workers wore a green uniform.

Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 07, 2012, 07:51:39 PM
Yes the gas station is interesting, a mechanic could possibly wear the green pants and shirt and could have just lured Frankie into the station and not a car, he would have been easier to overpower here and clues could be hard to find in a gas station.  Did the gas station have a work bay to work on cars? Did the gas station have many vacant cars sitting on the lot? (waiting to be serviced or serviced and waiting for pick up)

Speaking of green uniforms....

(http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=white+rose+station+uniform&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PPI&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=998&bih=672&tbm=isch&tbnid=AYeKUU4a94UzSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7583145&docid=l6PQm-zrfTrX6M&imgurl=http://p2.la-img.com/1164/21954/7583145_1_l.jpg&w=371&h=599&ei=YNQxT__YAomuiQKKnq29Cg&zoom=1)

(http://p2.la-img.com/1164/21954/7583145_1_l.jpg)


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 09, 2012, 04:11:44 AM
So sorry to hear about the way your father treated you and your sister Jessybessy...thanks for the military tip and for reminding us of the route your father took to get across the river.  I appreciate your contribution to this thread.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2012, 07:13:22 AM
Welcome Jessy. I sm so sorry for what you went through but I am so happy you're with us!

Today marks 44 years without answers. Frankie, we will never forget. You dear little boy, you are loved.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 09, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
Remembering Frankie Jensen and his family today on the 44th anniversary of his disappearance.
Asking our little angel to guide us in our search for answers and justice.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2012, 10:54:49 AM
A poster on the facebook site says there was a house down in the old part of Hyde Park road. It burned in the 80s. Any idea who may have lived there or what it was?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on February 09, 2012, 02:48:01 PM
There were two houses on that part of the road that dips into the gully. I am quite sure the house that burned belonged to an elderly, reclusive woman. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 09, 2012, 07:56:43 PM
We may have never met, Frankie, but I think about you often, especially today. Here's hoping that answers are forthcoming.

In the meantime, here's another gift, courtesy of the Jensen family:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Frankiewithfamily.jpg)


Frankie with family, on holiday in Denmark (I've cropped the photo somewhat for clarity). What a great image. Thank you.


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on February 09, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
Aww...God Bless his Soul. 
Sad there is no Justice for the Jensens....yet.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2012, 04:50:27 AM
I like your optimism Jobo
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on February 10, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
You all are doing a wonderful job here. What a sweet young boy Frankie was ... he could be every mother's son. The pictures of Frankie and family in happier times are beautiful. I hope soon there is resolve.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 11, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
A letter published in London Free Press 11 Feb 2012 -written by Bente Jensen


I was 16 years old the first time I wrote a letter to the editor at The London Free Press appealing for the safe return of our brother, Frankie Jensen.

It is 44 years later, I am 60 years old, and this is my second letter to the editor — still about Frankie. His case is still unsolved.

I am writing because we have just passed the anniversary of his disappearance on Feb. 9, 1968.

Frankie was the second of many children in London to be murdered by what I believe was a serial killer. Though detectives Bob Young, Harry McBride, and their team worked tirelessly on Frankie’s case, in my opinion, the London police force was ill prepared for the sheer number of murders of innocent children and women that were to follow and remain unsolved.

I am grateful for the strength of family that carried us through this dark period and in fact made us stronger as a unit.

We are not the norm. So many London and area families who lived our particular hell have been destroyed. We were lucky to have been raised by parents who led by example in a positive manner. They encouraged us to always look for the good in any situation and we’ve done our best to follow their lead.

What was the good that came from losing our youngest brother in such a horrific manner?

The Block Parent Program, inspired by Frankie’s disappearance and murder and sparked by Ellen Brownstone and the London Council of Jewish Women, launched the first Block Parent Program in Canada.

The BPP was a successful American program offering safe havens to children like Frankie. Londoners should be proud of BPP and grateful for Ellen’s legacy. We can’t possibly know how many children have been spared similar fates across Canada because of the Block Parent Program, but to our family, Ellen Brownstone and the LCJW represented a glimmer of hope for others.

Frankie’s and Ellen’s names no longer exist in the history of the BPP and this is a shame.

We believe there is someone who knows what happened to Frankie. As long as his name stays out there, he will be remembered and hopefully someone will step forward with the answers we seek.

We have all moved forward, led happy productive lives and carried Frankie’s memory with us through the years. We speak of him often, remembering his antics and the laughter we shared as a family. We do not dwell on his tragic death.

There are some issues that really bother me. I’ll be as brief as possible.

I wonder why there are no old unsolved cold cases listed on the London police force website.

I wonder why, at this writing, the OPP’s website lists cold cases back as far as 1963, but the years 1968 and 1970 aren’t even listed there.

With so many of the London unsolved cases falling under the jurisdiction of the OPP, how can they ignore all these children and their families? It’s like we don’t exist to the OPP.

Why is there a course being taught at Western University by Mike Arntfield, a London police detective, on serial killers and cold cases using American and not Canadian cases? What’s wrong with this picture?

With so many outstanding cold cases in the London area, it seems to me that it would behoove the London police, the OPP and Western to work together to solve the local cases and help their own community in the process.

The Vidocq Society of Pennsylvania is a brilliant group of forensic scientists who work on cold cases and don’t charge for their services. They are amenable to working on Canadian cases but haven’t for one simple reason: Canadian police will not share information.

It is long overdue for the London police and OPP to admit that they were ill prepared to handle all the London and area cases.

It sickens me to think that Frankie and the many cold case victims may have been reduced to nothing more than a bunch of dusty boxes in a storage unit. It is time for the local police forces to work together with Mike Arntfield and his students on all these cases.

They could start with Jackie Dunleavy, Frankie Jensen, Scott Leishman, Linda White, Helga Beer, Jackie English, Robert Bruce Stapylton, Soraya O’Connell or Donna Jean Awcock to name just a few. These cases alone could keep Western’s cold case students very busy for the next several years. It’s time to help your own community.

The victims and their families deserve at least this much. After 44 years we’re still waiting, but we can no longer watch in silence.

In closing I want to thank all those on the Unsolved Canada website who work diligently studying all these cases and keeping our loved ones names alive.

Bente Jensen
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 11, 2012, 11:58:57 AM
Jensen,

You have written a powerful and intelligent commentary. You are right--the London Police Services and OPP need to dust off the cold case boxes and share information.  What do they have to lose--it's been over 40 years?  Do they really think by not listing these unsolved cases on their web sites, that they have been "swept under the carpet"?  Not a chance.  It is a slap on the face to every victim, survivor and the community at large to bury these files and not share information that could help solve them.

HF

Thank you Chicapey for copying this for the forum.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 11, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Beat me to the punch! Here's a scan of the article as it appears:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/FrankiearticleFeb112012.jpg)

I've also attached it below as well.

Excellent, excellent article, jensen (and a nice surprise to have discovered today). This is exactly what's needed, to bring attention to Frankie again in a mainstream forum. Who knows what might be shared, and who knows who will wind up over here on the site. More traffic is good.

As well, I appreciate that besides pointing out the obvious current neglect by the OPP and London Police, you mention the other avenues where the case(s) could and should see exposure.

Let's hope someone in an authoritative position actually takes it upon themselves to address these issues.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 11, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
This answers my question.. I only see LFP online but was curious if they included a photo of Frankie. I don't see how anyone could look at that face and not start talking. Hopefully someone on the police force will also have heart and see the fact that Frankie could be their child and get the case rolling
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 13, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
A relief to know you are fine now, JessyBessy.  You sound like a fantastic older sister... looking out for your brother. It must have been a terrifying time for a lot of people. I hope there are some answers for all the families and soon
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Miracle on February 13, 2012, 04:13:52 PM
A family should never has to go thru this!!!  How can monsters that would do this exsist??
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 15, 2012, 08:38:50 AM
At this writing we have not heard a peep from the London Police, OPP, or the university...eerie silence.  I can only hope that the letter published in the LFP brings new eyes and voices to this forum.  You should know that our family stands united in this effort.  Hopefully there is someone out there who now understands it's ok to speak up.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 16, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
Not to steal the thunder of jensen and 071358, but today their efforts have resulted in this response from the OPP:


http://www.opp.ca/cibui/html/displaycase.php?id=132


Excellent work.

Very pleased to see that the OPP is recognizing that attention must be paid, and I appreciate the detail that they have added (some of which seems to indicate they have referred to this thread). A great first step!


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jeb on February 16, 2012, 01:31:35 PM
Great work rkay and Jensen.

I be1ieve the backyard Frankie cut through might be mentioned in the 1FP artic1e dated Saturday, Apri1 13, 1968.   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on February 16, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
The letter to the London Free Press was so well put together!

I so totally agree with the question as to why the University of Western Ontario (London) is NOT covering UNsolved crimes such as this murder of dear Frankie.   If there is an ex-cop teaching Criminology classes, well, we have many crimes here in our own province and country that could keep the class busy.  I am sure this University should re-think their curriculum.  It would make more sense to cover Canadian Crimes as many of the Students would be more familiar with our own Country.  And the more brilliant minds we have working on these UNsolved, the more our chances for answers.   

Great work!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 16, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
Thanks so much Jeb and Jobo.  The OPP website posting today really made my day.  Mom was the first person I called and she is very happy.  Again, I can't say enough about all the terrific work that's done on this site.  We are so grateful for all of you.  It would indeed be a smart move for Western University to help the hometown kids.  With all the technology at hand today, these cases have a chance of being solved.  If you find the time to check out Detective Arntfield and his course, you will read that his class has been instrumental in solving some American cases.  How wonderful would it be if they could apply their expertise to Canadian cases?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 16, 2012, 03:17:29 PM
My speculation is that they're worried about conflict of interest. Relatives/friends of people potentially involved in the cases could 'contaminate' the objectivity of the investigations. By looking at non-local cases they could reduce the risk of potential bias considerably. That's one reason police officers often are usually assigned postings away from their own hometowns.

Having said that, the other edge of the sword is that local cases might benefit from direct hometown knowledge.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 16, 2012, 04:48:08 PM
In response to Rkay's last post, re relatives/friends "contaminating an investigation"
Though I understand your train of thought, if you take a look at the article dated Sept. 8, 2011 University of Western News "Prof heats up cold cases with student society"
under reopening an unsolved investigation, you'll learn about Christine Rothschild, murdered in 1968 in Wisconsin and how Western University students "cracked a mystery about the Capital City Killer in Madison Wisconsin".  They were able to do this because Ms. Rothschild's former room mate had kept extensive records about a person she suspected was her friend's murderer.  Friends can help....friends do help...Christine's friend proved it.   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 16, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Agreed! I was thinking more from the other perspective-- friends/relatives of possible suspects or 'persons of interest'.


Either way, I'm not saying I subscribe to the rationale. ;)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on February 17, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
At USA universities, there are students and their professors studying American cases, and Canadian students etc studying American cases, so that leaves us where?
If you all decide on a letter campaign to UWO students and Prof, drop some details and I will surely help with that.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 17, 2012, 01:39:59 PM
Thanks SAP,

I may be mistaken, but I thought that the only reason Det. Arntfield wasn't studying London cases was because LE would not share information.  I recall gibbons had phoned him to ask if he would study the London murders.  I guess we should get that confirmed before we decide WHO to send a letter campaign.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on February 17, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
Thanks HF. I missed that part of LE not sharing information. I don't understand that at all as some of these cases are very old, what could possibly hurt LE to share? And with this question, brings it around to what started with "contamination" etc. Hopefully this last attention to Frankie's case in the media will open some hearts to divulge what they know.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Pookie on February 19, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Hello
I have just registered that I might share my memories and experiences.  'Jensen' knows me and has asked me to share what I remember.  I am a neighbourhood child and friend of Frankie's.  I have read some posting to get a sense of how this site works but don't want to read too much, not yet.
I was 10 and 1 grade ahead, so not in the same class with Frankie.

12 years ago, when Project Angel started up, I contacted the police to give them some information.  They called me back and I gave a phone interview of what I remembered and a theory that had struck me in 2000.

On Friday Feb 9, 1968, this is what I remember happening.  Because of the strangers and chasing incidents, we were always to walk together.  The kids at the bottom of Hazel Ave would start up the road, and others would file out of their homes and join the group.  The group would get bigger as it moved up the road.  Frankie's was the last house with school age children on Hazel Ave.  I waited for him to come out, the group kept getting further ahead.  He didn't come out, eventually, I made the decision to go on without him and catch up with the group as they headed west on Riverside and cross over to walk up Hyde Park.
There had been an issue which lead to hard feelings and Frankie was unhappy and didn't want to walk with the group.  He and I would walk together and stay back a ways from the group.
I never saw him that day.
At noon hour, I had to come home that day.  This was unusual as we always stayed for lunch.  I don't know why, maybe I forgot my lunch, or needed something for the afternoon classes.  My memory of the lunch break was:  Dismissal bell at 11:50am, and arrival bell at 1:25pm.  Walking there and back didn't give a lot of time at home perhaps 20-30minutes. 
Walking back to school for the afternoon class, I was alone.  As I approached the path I saw a car parked a little distance ahead of the path (facing north on the right side of the road).  I became very frightened.  Too scared to walk on the path.  Didn't want to turn back to home because I would be late for school (being scared didn't seem like a reason to show up late).  After the last house on Hyde Park and before the path there was a fenced pasture where there were sometimes horses.  I decided to walk along the pasture fence due east until I got the the back yard properties of the Oakridge Acres houses.  I had to trudge through deep snow, so it was slow but at least I was in the open and not in the woods. 
The car was light coloured white or cream.  It was a regular, non descript car.  As an adult I would now say it was a 4 door sedan type vehicle.  It wasn't a station wagon, or a big car with fins, or a VW beetle, nothing distinct or fancy.  My guess is that it would have been about 1:00 - 1:10pm when I arrived at the path entrance.  I shared all this with the investigating officer.
I then shared my theory with the police.  What if Frankie (upset about being picked on at school) had decided not to go to school and doubled back after his parents went to work.  He could have then left around the noon hour (before or after me) and been there at the same time as the parked car.
I tried to tell grown ups about this, but it just seemed to be passed over.  Perhaps because the timing didn't fit, people were focused on morning.  There were frequent sitings of parked cars. 
It wasn't until 2000 and Project Angel that the thought struck me about doubling back home for the morning.

One of the huge issues that I believe we have been facing is that there was never a formal process for openly talking and sharing.  Today when there is a tragedy or crisis, there seems to be lots of counselling and resources.  Bente's letter to the editor, finally seemed to open doors and give permission to share.  Reaching out to the Jensen family this week helped bring this information foward.  I hope that this is the beginning of more to come from friends, neighbours and others in the community that have been touched in some way.  The answers and clues are out there.

In closing, we had a very special neighbourhood and have incredible memories of childhood play and exploration and tons of fun.  Our parents all look out for us.  We had the neighbourhood 'grand parents'  Papa and Nana Lea.  Papa Lea had made this rope swing (with a padded leather seat) and it hung from this majestic tree on his property which was directly across from Jensens.  All of us spent hours taking turns on it and pushing each other on this swing.  We even got good enough to pair up and stand on the seat face to face and swing.

When I get to heaven, I have a playdate with Frankie and there is this tree with the most spectacular rope swing !








Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on February 19, 2012, 06:58:23 AM
Thank you so much Pookie for joining this forum and for taking the time to share your story. Your recollections of that day are very important and put into question several of the previously held theories. It is people like you who could well make the difference in resolving these tragic cases. I hope that others are inspired to take your lead and come forward. God bless you.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 19, 2012, 07:37:40 AM
Dear Pookie
Thank you so much for sharing your theory on this forum.  You are absolutely right...untill Frankie's murder, life on Hazel Ave. was idyllic.  We all knew each other and shared a wonderful childhood with all the neighbour parents looking out for us.  I am so happy that the letter in the paper has elicited a response from a neighbour and hope that more will join this forum and share their memories and theories.  This is very important and gratefully appreciated by our family.  We have waited too many years for answers and it is with help from people like you, those who were closest to us and shared our experience that we might finally be able to "connect the dots".  Thank you, a thousand times thank you!  I'm sure one day you will again swing with Frankie.  XOXO
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 19, 2012, 08:06:58 AM
Pookie, Thank you for joining!

First of all, I am very sorry for the loss of your friend. It must have been horrific to go through especially at that age and I am sure you'll meet with Frankie again.

What a wonderful street to grow up on... adults looking out for the kids and the kids for one another. I wish there was more of that today.

Welcome and thank you so much for everything you contribute!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 19, 2012, 08:42:36 AM
Welcome!

Welcome to the forum, Pookie.  How wonderful of you to share what you remember of those times and, specifically, of that fateful day.  You must have been terrified to lose your friend in this way.  It sounds like Frankie was lucky to have a friend like you.

Your story about the swing brought tears to my eyes and reminded me of why we are all here, seeking answers.


I awoke this morning with devout thanksgiving for my friends, the old and the new."
    ~  Ralph Waldo Emerson

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 19, 2012, 09:04:11 AM
Pookie mentioned that there were frequent sightings of parked cars on Hyde Park Road near the path.  (Thanks for the excellent description of the vehicle you saw on Feb 9, Pookie.)  Can any of you "locals" provide more context for this?  How often were cars parked there?  Was it always the same vehicle?  Over what time span (i.e. years; months)?  Various times of day?

What "innocent" reasons could there be for cars to be parked there?  I'm guessing that the wooded area was too small for hunting and there were no fish in the pond.  I'm also presuming that any PUC workers would park near the little PUC building?

Also the mention of lurkers on or near the path has come up a few times.  Can any more specifics or examples be provided?  Similar to the questions above -- Did it seem to be the same person, or several different ones? Age? Build? How did the person approach the kids?  Did he jump out suddenly?  Did he chase just to scare? Did he carry anything? Were these incidents over a long period of time?  When did they start?

Were there any other incidents of lurkers/chasers in the broader area?



 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 19, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
Welcome Pookie and thank you for posting on Frankie's thread.

I would also like to say how sorry I am that you had to experience such a traumatic, horrific event in your childhood.  You are to be commended for contacting the Project Angel investigators.  Your theory that Frankie may have returned home that morning and tried to return to school at lunch hour is logical and plausible. 

goNgo has asked some excellent questions and I have one at this time.  The white car that is mentioned in the OPP case document was seen by "other children".  If we assume that it is the same white car that you saw at 1pm, I wonder why the OPP didn't revise their time line of the abduction from morning to lunch hour?  This is vital information.  If you or the Jensen's are in contact with any of the former kids from the area, it would be very helpful to ask them what time of day (on Feb. 9) they may have seen or heard about, a white car parked on Hyde Park Rd. about 100' from the foot path.

Thank you Pookie.

Have Faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 19, 2012, 03:54:31 PM
With the new information about the white or cream coloured car, I thought I would cross reference to Scott Leishman's case.  Scott's unsolved murder was included in the Project Angel files.

Scott (16 years old) was last seen on March 21, 1968 getting into a cream, white or ivory coloured, medium sized, compact car in Thorndale.  His farmhouse was located one mile away from where Frankie's body was found in the Thames River.  Scott's body was found May 15 in the Port Burwell harbour.

There are definitely similarities in the car descriptions, which add to the other similarities of these two cases.

Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 19, 2012, 05:45:38 PM
Welcome to the board, Pookie. What a remarkable first post! Happy to have you here. Beyond sharing your own experience of the case itself, I really think it's important to include memories about Frankie's life as well here, rather than just his death. It's a wonderful reminder that he's more than just a name on an unfortunate list, and in no small way brings him to life for those that didn't or couldn't have known him. Much appreciated.

Your information could certainly change the focus of this case. It may be that the questions the investigators at the time were asking were the wrong ones, and that's why we still don't have the right answers.

We've already seen that the initial investigation into Frankie's disappearance the first weekend were based not on an abduction but on the premise that Frankie had either run away or was lost. Who knows how that skewed the search, the evaluation of any physical evidence or handling of potential witnesses.

As well, the police then later believed that Frankie was taken from Riverside Drive, which does not jibe with either witness accounts (our own 071358, for one), nor make much sense given he was technically not really ON Riverside, having cut through his own backyard onto Hyde Park Road, then crossing over it at the intersection. Again, why they focused on this seems unclear, given the other information available.

Now, with your sighting of the car at lunch time, it could mean that when police were questioning known sexual predators (as they have stated was part of their investigation on Frankie's freshly-released OPP page), they were again possibly working with a false presumption. Rather than looking at where individuals might have been at 8:30-9:00 am on the Friday morning, perhaps the question really should have been where they were between 12:00-1:00 pm. Maybe alibis might have been less certain...

Either way, whatever assumptions or theories that were followed at the time didn't result in any suspects, so clearly we need a different set of questions. Your information, Pookie, might be the key to asking the right ones.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 19, 2012, 09:07:50 PM
For the record, this weekend's edition of the London Free Press included some excellent responses to Bente Jensen's article the previous week. Thanks to the letter writers for their contributions.

(Click directly on the image to enlarge.)

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Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 20, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
foghorn--thanks for providing one explanation as to why cars would have parked on Hyde Park Rd. back in 1968.

I am having trouble with the OPP case doc from their web site.  For one thing, there is no mention that their focus on a "white car" was a new angle of the Project Angel re-investigation 29 years later.  So, if they knew about the car in 1968 why was this information not given to the media?  In Scott Leishman's disappearance, six weeks after Frankie's, the media was notified immediately, and a description of the car was provided.

I think it may be necessary to compile a list of questions for the OPP.  Here is a list of my questions:

-when did the white car become the focus of their investigation--1968 or 1997?
-was the white car sitting on Hyde Park Road in the morning or at lunch hour, or both times?
-was the car sitting 100 feet north or south of the path to the woods?  Was it on the east or west side of Hyde Park Road?
-what is their time line on Frankie's abduction--morning or lunch hour or other?
-do they have viable DNA evidence to analyze for suspect identification?

Does anyone have other questions?

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 20, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
I'm a bit confused... back then was attendance taken at ALL for school? There must have been some way of knowing if a child was attending school or not (thinking of how they would notify a truant officer for example). If it was taken in the morning, was it also taken after lunch for kids who went home for lunch?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 20, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
Chickapey--Because Frankie had come home sick from school the afternoon before (Thursday), his absence wasn't questioned on Friday morning.  (see reply #11)

At a Board of Education meeting, letters from three parents suggested that the schools should immediately report to parents any unexplained absence of a child, although one parent felt it was solely the parents duty to call the school.   The trustees agreed that calling the parents would be impractical, but asked for a report on it's feasibility anyway. (reply #10)

A Board meeting also addressed the problems of the unsafe routes to Westdale P.S. Because there were no sidewalks, students would have to walk on the road, which was unsafe, therefore they resorted to short-cuts which were off streets and out of sight of houses.  Westdale wasn't the only London school with unsafe routes. (reply #10)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 20, 2012, 09:32:52 PM
At Have faith's request, I'm adding the information from the OPP board directly into our thread. Not sure how to post the image links as they have them qithin the thread but if I can I'll replace this post.

(I've fixed the typo in Frankie's name at the top of the OPP page, which I didn't notice until now. Jensen, any chance that can be mentioned to the OPP?)



CIB
Unsolved Investigation - unsolved enquête


Investigation - enquête: #1968017/1968
Date: February 9, 1968


Victims - Victimes
Frankie JENSEN Jr.
9/M

Frankie Jensen Jr. was a grade 4 pupil at Westdale Public School in London Ontario. He was 4ft 2in tall and weighed approx. 50 lbs., had blonde collar length hair. He was the son of a local furniture store owner.

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Details of Investigation - Détails d'enquête

On the morning of Friday, February 9, 1968, Frank Jensen Jr., also known as Frankie, age 9 yr., was getting ready to walk to school. He would usually walk with other neighbourhood children, but on this morning he was delayed. Frankie cut through the backyard of their house on Hazel Avenue, in the west end of London, and walked north on Hyde Park Sideroad.

Frankie never made it to school that morning. A massive search was launched that night, and the next day. The weather remained bitter with searchers suffering from frostbite. All hope for Frankie was quickly lost due to the elements.

The police investigation ensued, focusing on a white car that some of the other children report was sitting on Hyde Park Road about 100’ from where the path through the woods begins. Local males with a past history of sexual crimes were checked for similar vehicles. Nothing concrete came of the investigation.

On Friday, April 12, 1968, at 11:30 am, two men were heading down the Thames River, near Thorndale, in a canoe. They made the discovery of the body of Frankie Jensen, he was floating face down in the river. The body discovery site was approximately 27 kilometres from his home.

At autopsy, resulted in the collection of evidence from his body. There was no evidence of any sexual assault to his body, but items of Frankie’s clothing were not located.

Many people were investigated and checked as possible suspects in this case. 

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Suspects
UNKNOWN

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Additional Media - Médias additionels
London Free Press - 10 Feb 1968 - Search for Frankie Jensen
London Free Press - 12 April 1968 - Frankie found dead
Photo of property owner where Jensen body located
Map of route Frankie would have taken to school
Map of location where body was found   
 

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How you can help - Comment vour pouvez aider

Any person who would like to speak with a french speaking officer about this case can call 1-705-329-6330.
Toute personne desirant parler a un officier en francais par rapport a ce cas, s'il vous plait contacter le 1 705 329 6330.

 
Any person having information regarding the person(s) responsible for the death of Frankie JENSEN Jr. should contact the Ontario Provincial Police at 1-888-310-1122 or (705) 329-6111, their nearest police authority or Crime Stoppers. 


 

 




Again, here's the direct link:

http://www.opp.ca/cibui/html/displaycase.php?id=132
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 20, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
Thank you HF...  I remember reading that but wondered if they took attendance at all in that day. I mean, how many days would a child have to be absent before the school contacted the parents? 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on February 22, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
Hello,
I have been reading the posts over the last week or so.  Funny but I thought of Frankie out of the blue about 10 days ago and by chance googled and found this site.  I also grew up in that innocent idealistic neighbourhood, as I was one of the kids from “Hyde Park Rd”.  I was also a year ahead of Frankie in school….Pookie….I bet we were in the same class.  As my family began what was to be several years of having two homes, after 1969 the time spent on HPR was limited. 
What I remember of the day Frankie went missing :
We were in a group walking to school, and I remember telling the authorities afterwards of the white car we saw parked on the side of the road just past where we entered the path.
I specifically remember being asked…What kind of car was it?....white/dirty white.  Did you see the license plate number?.....dirty.    My brother (2 years younger), when I asked him recently, remembers us speaking of the car to adults.
I remember all the people out searching for Frankie, and the cold, wintery weather that followed for several days afterward.  I believe we had no school due to the weather.
If my memory serves me correctly the gas station on one corner of Riverside/HPR was not operational at the time.  Why do I think it was also used as a search command post?
What I remember of the day Frankie’s body was found:
We were for some reason at the corner of Gore’s property at Riverside/HPR.  I remember the Jensen’s car coming to the intersection with a boat on the roof…..they were in a hurry.  Later we would find out that Frankie had been found.
As several of the participants posting on this site have mentioned…..we were told to always walk together.  The number of kids would increase as we made our way up HPR to the path.  Pookie described the entrance perfectly…..it was as if I was back there standing right in front of the horse enclosure.  We all had been told of the strangers and chasing and if spooked while walking to school we sure could run fast. 
I’m sorry I can’t remember much more at this point.  If in discussions I remember more I will definetly share.   I believe in my home we were sheltered somewhat from the harsh reality of the terrifying ordeal the Jensen family had to endure.  And then with moving, we were not accessible to the news reports or updates that proceeded.  It wasn’t until many years later, as an adult I found out the grim details of such a tragic event.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on February 22, 2012, 11:03:57 AM
Hi CrazyCat!

Thanks for the additional information on this case.  Was the white car there in the morning (ie. before school would have started), or did you see it on the way back from lunch?  Other than being a white car, is there anything you might remember about how large it was, or other details?

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 22, 2012, 11:16:21 AM
Thank you so much for joining us also, Crazycat. The more minds on this the better.

Did you get the impression the police didn't take you as seriously because you were a child too? What time of day did you see the car? It makes sense it would be a dirty white car given it was the middle of winter and all cars are a mess at this time of year but do you remember if it seemed dirtier than say a city car would be? What I mean is, usually cars coming in from the country look dirtier because of the roads etc (dirt vs pavement)

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on February 22, 2012, 11:56:59 AM
Foghorn & Chickapey  Thank you for the welcomes.
It was in the morning on our way to school.  I don't remember there being anything specific about the vehicle, or it being larger than average.  I do remember it was a car and not a van or station wagon.  Dirty....mmm looking back....it was white but a dirty white from the weather, like it hadn't been washed in a while.  As for not being taken seriously, I honestly do not remember having that feeling, but then again we were just youngsters at the time and would probably not have understood being "taken seriously" or not.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on February 22, 2012, 12:21:12 PM
Hello,
I have been reading the posts over the last week or so.  Funny but I thought of Frankie out of the blue about 10 days ago and by chance googled and found this site.  I also grew up in that innocent idealistic neighbourhood, as I was one of the kids from “Hyde Park Rd”.  I was also a year ahead of Frankie in school….Pookie….I bet we were in the same class.  As my family began what was to be several years of having two homes, after 1969 the time spent on HPR was limited. 
What I remember of the day Frankie went missing :
We were in a group walking to school, and I remember telling the authorities afterwards of the white car we saw parked on the side of the road just past where we entered the path.
I specifically remember being asked…What kind of car was it?....white/dirty white.  Did you see the license plate number?.....dirty.    My brother (2 years younger), when I asked him recently, remembers us speaking of the car to adults.
I remember all the people out searching for Frankie, and the cold, wintery weather that followed for several days afterward.  I believe we had no school due to the weather.
If my memory serves me correctly the gas station on one corner of Riverside/HPR was not operational at the time.  Why do I think it was also used as a search command post?
What I remember of the day Frankie’s body was found:
We were for some reason at the corner of Gore’s property at Riverside/HPR.  I remember the Jensen’s car coming to the intersection with a boat on the roof…..they were in a hurry.  Later we would find out that Frankie had been found.
As several of the participants posting on this site have mentioned…..we were told to always walk together.  The number of kids would increase as we made our way up HPR to the path.  Pookie described the entrance perfectly…..it was as if I was back there standing right in front of the horse enclosure.  We all had been told of the strangers and chasing and if spooked while walking to school we sure could run fast. 
I’m sorry I can’t remember much more at this point.  If in discussions I remember more I will definetly share.   I believe in my home we were sheltered somewhat from the harsh reality of the terrifying ordeal the Jensen family had to endure.  And then with moving, we were not accessible to the news reports or updates that proceeded.  It wasn’t until many years later, as an adult I found out the grim details of such a tragic event.

Welcome to the site crazycat58. As a neighbourhood child at that time, you and Pookie can bring a much better perspective of the time and place than can be gleened from maps. Thank you so much for coming forward and choosing to share that with us here.
I wonder if I can ask you a couple of questions? You said that you spoke with the "authorities" about the car that you saw. Are you referring to the police or school authorities? Can you recall approximately when that conversation took place in relation to February 9, the day Frankie went missing?

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on February 22, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
It is the police officers that we spoke to and I'm sorry I cannot help you with the time frame of when the conversations took place.  Unfortunately I do not have the ability to question my parents regarding the circumstances and it was a long time ago.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 22, 2012, 04:52:16 PM
Dear Crazycat
So happy you've joined us.  After all these years it's wonderful that Frankie still pops into your mind.  Thank you for joining us.  Anything you can bring to this discussion, the slightest detail, could be exactly what we need to unravel this mystery.
We're so grateful.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 22, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
Welcome to Frankie's thread, crazycat. Glad to have you here and thanks for your input so far!

I have some images coming of the 'command post' that first weekend of the search for Frankie, and I do believe it's inside a gas station, judging by what details I could see on the negatives.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 22, 2012, 07:43:06 PM
Welcome crazycat58 and thank you for sharing your recollections.  Your memory of a white car being parked on HP Rd. in the morning of Feb. 9 seems to correspond to the same time line used by the OPP on their web site.

Pookie and crazycat58--if you think back (I know how difficult it is to go back 44 years) can you picture the car with the motor running--exhaust coming out of the tail pipe, the windows clear-not fogged up etc.  Or do you picture the car parked as though nobody was inside?  Did you see anybody sitting inside?

Pookie:  Now we have to wonder if the car you saw at lunch time and the one cc58 saw that morning are the same or different cars.  Would you say that the white/cream car you saw was really dirty?  Is it possible that cc58 was in a different group that morning, or that you were lagging far enough behind and missed the morning sighting or the car was blocked from your field of vision by the group? 

crazycat58 and Pookie--were you and your friends and siblings interviewed by the police in 1968?  Were any of you interviewed again in the re-investigation between 1997 and 2000?

Thank you so much for being here and sharing.  You are good people. :-)

Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on February 23, 2012, 08:49:17 AM
Good Morning Have Faith:
I picture the car parked off the side of the road with no one in it, but honestly if it was running or not I cannot remember.  Each day as we walked up HPR we met up with kids from Hazel Ave as well as picking up along the remainder of HPR.  I could not tell you today who was in the group we walked with that day. 
I believe we were interviewed by the police in 1968 and have never been interviewed again. 

CC
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 23, 2012, 10:07:14 AM
Thanks CC, I appreciate your response.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Logical on February 23, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
It appears that the investigation has always been about a stranger or someone in a white(ish) car, but with Pookie's details of why Frankie did not join the group that day, would it be possible that Frankie played hookie and did not want to face his bullier's and never even went in the direction of school, I do not recall reading that anyone saw him leave his yard and make his normal route - just assumed that he was on his way to school and would have gone that way.  With his remains found, missing some clothing but not sexually abused, could it be another student that was bullying him?  My question's are

1. Were there any other students away (part day or full day) on Feb 9th, and if yes were any of these kids the ones that bullied Frankie?
2. Is there a water way clsoe to the school that the water currents would feed to where he was found?

Just trying to think outside of the box.

Logical.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 23, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
Hi Logical,
 
Frankie was actually seen by a fellow student just as he was coming onto Hyde Park Rd at Riverside.  They waved to each other. (see Reply 21, 2nd link..Unsolved text).  Also, his Mother watched him out of the window as he cut through the back yard to Hyde Park Rd.

He was located about 17 miles north and east of his home in the Thames River which flows north to south.  So, no the currents flowed the opposite way.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on February 24, 2012, 08:07:04 AM
Does anyone else remember the search parties taking the neighbourhood kids with them to show them the forts and treeforts to search in?  I seem to remember something of the sort, which goes along with it not being treated immediately as an abduction.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Logical on February 24, 2012, 11:25:50 AM
Thanks HF, I am now more perplexed.  RE Reply 21, looking at the map and the recollection of the older student, he turned and saw Franike when he was entering the pathway - this is 9 houses away from the intersection of HPR and Riverside, if the bell rang as he entered the path way he was late and I would think ran acroos the field to school.  Was it really Frankie he saw, it was quite a distance to be sure, and if he saw Frankie so far away, did he see anyone else at all on the street?  If he was seen at the intersection, was he walking, running toward the path, or was he taking his time and then went in another direction?  If the police feel he was taken on Riverside, I would think they have a clue to lead them here.  Or if no one in the 9 houses along HPR saw him that morning (even make it to the path) this could lead LE to believe he did not get that far.

Does anyone know if Frankie would have wondered off to play hookie (not face his fears at school with the bully's)?  Maybe we are looking for clues in the wrong area. 

It was very cold and bitter on this morning, where could he have gone if he did not go to school, what was available to him to do while not in school (on a school day). I am so hung up on the fact that Frankie was avoiding his class mates, I hope he did not wander off depressed of the situation and then run into someone.

If a stranger did pick him up in an auto around the intersection of HPR and Riverside I do not think it was planned, the kids were already "grouping" together for the "scarey" walk to school, I do not think he would be looking here for a kid to snatch, too many witnesses.

I get a gut feeling he went in another direction then toward school, if we knew what kids could find to do in the area while missing school - not to be noticed by adults ( to be caught for playing hookie) maybe we could get a better line on how his remains ended up where they did.

Can anyone determine where his body went into the river?

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 24, 2012, 03:39:18 PM
The only other route he could have taken is Palmtree which was a way east then weave through streets to get to school. If he knew the maze of streets, it still would have taken forever to get to school. The river looks to go back into properties... farmland mostly ... from the map the river seems to come close to the road which could be where he was put into the water but I don't believe LE determined where it actually happened.

I'd think the neighbourhood kids would recognize Frankie by size, the fact he was coming that way and clothing. ... even at a distance

If Frankie decided to play hookie, he'd likely have gone back home where it was warm, no one there to send him back to school etc he would have had the day to watch tv or just play I would think.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 24, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
Hi Logical,

Although I am not knowledgeable about the Thames River and it's branches and tributaries, I did look it up and found that it flows westward through Frankie's neighbourhood.  If his body was put into the river in this area, it would travel west, not north east.

As to where his body may have been put into the river--see reply #111.  rkay has surveyed the area and the logical place to put a body in is at the Plover Mills Road  bridge. The OPP site has provided a new map which finally pinpoints where his body was found--see reply #161, bottom link.  Considering this recent found map, it is also possible that his body was put in the water at the River View Campground, which is just north of the large island where his body was snagged on wire fencing.

Re the student being able to see Frankie from the entrance to the pathway to the intersection of HPR and RS, please refer to the OPP map of the school route along old Hyde Park Road (reply #161).  This gives you a better perception of the distance and the field of vision that was possible in 1968.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 25, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
Hello Logical
Frankie  would never play hookey...he respected authority and would have been far to afraid of getting caught skipping school.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: tryingtohelp on February 26, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
Just want to add a comment about assumed behaviours.  I am a couple of years older than Frankie and have lived in London all my life, although I was living in the extreme East-end at the time of his murder.  Would describe myself at his age as shy.  Had about a 20 minute walk to school, same route each day.  When I was about 10 years old I heard through the grapevine that I was going to be beaten-up by one of the school bullies on the way home.  Apparently, just for the fun of it.  Long story short, I took an extremely unusual route home that day, crossing a busy road and winding my way through streets that were in no way my normal route home, just to avoid the bully and the kids who would gather around to watch.  Had I gone missing that day, nobody - friends or family - would have ever considered looking for clues along the streets I had travelled along, because, other than to myself, that route made no sense at all.  All I'm saying is that fear at that age (sounds like Frankie was having some issues with schoolmates or neighbourhood children) can cause a person to do things that are not in their character at all.  I will also add that there were a lot of weirdos around at that time, cruising around trying to lure children into their cars.  Was the military man who lived near the present-day rose garden ever investigated?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on February 26, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
Welcome to Frankie's thread tryingtohelp. I think your viewpoint is a very valid one, especially coming from a person who sounds as though he/she shared Frankie's sensitivity. In Frankie's case however there are differences to the scenario that you drew so well. In his case, he was late for school. When he heard the bell ring, he would  have known that the other children were in their classroom seats. That would mean he would have nothing to fear until recess or lunchtime or after school. He was seen on Hyde Park Road heading north by at least one person for sure, but apparently more as was recently stated on the OPP website. If he was leaving school, your suggestion could very well be true but Frankie didn't get to school whereas the other children did.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 27, 2012, 04:02:27 AM
Hi tryingtohelp
Thank you for joining our search.  Can you elaborate on "the military man near the rose garden" please?  Was there something about him posted on this site that I've missed? 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 27, 2012, 06:16:35 AM
It's wonderful to see so many people contributing to this thread.  The more heads working on this, the better.

Could anyone provide more context on the level of traffic on Hyde Park Rd at the time that Frankie was grabbed -- either in the morning or around 1:00 (in case he skipped school in the morning and decided to go at lunch time).

If the person was a stranger, the perpetrator would have had to put Frankie in a car at some point, either carrying him/forcing him into a car at the side of the road, or dragging him into a house along the way.   Wouldn't it have been a pretty big risk to carry him out to a car parked by the side of the road, particularly one parked near the path?  Were there trees near the road there from which the person could make a quick dash?

Of course the third option is that he was offered a ride by someone he knew, most likely a neighbour, as I presume that Frankie wouldn't have known a wide circle of other people who would happen upon him.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: tryingtohelp on February 27, 2012, 04:58:05 PM
Hi Jensen.  I thought about the military man through reading jessybessy's posts on these dates:

Feb 9/12 - father in the military, abused his children, drove that road (Hyde Park/Riverside?)
Feb 13/12 - their property was searched
Feb 25/12 - mentions father's army trunk being used as a tree fort

in one of the last two posts, jessybessy mentions that they lived off Springbank Drive near what is now the Rose Garden - possible PUC property - there`s a bungalow back in the woods on the North side of Springbank that I think belongs to the City.  Is it that one or a home that has long been demolished for park purposes?

Also in one of the posts, jessybessy asks if you could contact him or her directly.

Anyway, I wondered if the father had ever been investigated further.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Coral on February 27, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
In reply #21 Unsolved Text, who wrote this?  Whose statement is this, and when was it made?  Was it made closer to the abduction or more recently?  Who is the person that saw Frankie?  If this person underwent hypnosis, could they possibly remember other details about the area, people or things that were in the vicinity at the time that they last saw Frankie?  Maybe there is something there that could be helpful?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 28, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
Thanks tryingtohelp
Yes Jessybessy has contacted me privately and is doing her best to help in many of these cases.  To my knowledge, her father was not investigated.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 28, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
Hello Coral,

The person who contributed the information in reply #21 is unknown.  They obviously submitted their info via the site administrator Chris.  We now know that police interviewed many of the children after Frankie disappeared, and I would assume that this person reported this info to them.  Perhaps one day this person will join the forum.

The idea of undergoing hypnosis to assist in remembering other details is certainly an interesting suggestion.  I have read a bit about it, and it seems that tests show that hypnosis does not improve recall.  Interesting subject though.

HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Pookie on March 11, 2012, 01:20:45 AM
Hello again
It's been an incredibly intensive 3 weeks.  I have been speaking to a lot of family friends and neighbours and have some more information to provide.

Thank you all for your kind words and warm welcome.  Crazycat58, nice to hear from you.

To answer some of the questions, I don't have any further recollection of the white car.  My impression is that it was parked with motor off and no appearance of anyone in the vehicle.  None of my family (siblings) were interviewed by police.  I approached Project Angel with my information in January or February 2000.

This week I came across a short story that I had written in highschool  about 6-8 years after Frankie disappeared.  I had forgotten that I had written this account of Frankie.  It was a narrative of the events as I remembered them.  In it I described how Frankie, two other friends and myself were walking home from school and we were just leaving the path and stepping onto Hyde Park Sd Rd.  Another neighbourhood friend hollered at us that he had found something back there on the side of the road.  We ran back and he led us to a pile of magazines. (I had written that someone had obviously dropped off their garbage and driven away).  They weren't ordinary magazines, they were similar to Playboy. 

I don't have any memories of actually finding those magazines and hope that someone else does remember and can provide more details.  I don't know if they were right on the roadside, or just into the field near the path.  I don't know how many or if they were loose or bundled. According to my narrative, I did recognize that they weren't Playboy.

When I shared this with my older sister, it triggered a memory she had.  She use to go for walks in the bog frequently.  It was a beautiful fall day (either fall of '67 or possibly '66).  She cut through the gravel pit and was entering the bog from the south.   She came across some loose (or possibly torn) pages of magazines blown across the ground.  She then discovered several magazines nearby.  It was porn and more graphic than Playboy.  It shocked her. It was smaller size magazine than Playboy and poorer quality of paper.  She was very uncomfortable continuing her walk and ended up turning back.

This sibling also has several other memories.  When she was in public school and walking home from Oak Park PS (before Westdale was built) she was walking south on Hyde Park at the bottom of the gully.  A grey car passed her travelling north.  The man stopped part way up the hill, she looked over her shoulder, the car started to back up toward her.  She ran, it never continued to pursue her.  Trying to date this incident, it may have been 1960. 

When she was at Westdale, probably 1963-64, she recalls several incidents of exhibitionists, referred to as flashers.  They would be in the field where we walked to school.  Her comment was that as kids they were told 'they were harmless'.  However she does recall even back in 1963, the principal would walk out to meet the kids part way along the path.  One time he did this and then took a head count back at the school and realized one of the children was missing.  He came and found my sibling stretched out on the ground totally engrossed with watching a snake birthing live babies in the grass.   He was angry with her.  So back then there seemed to be issues with 'lurkers' and the school seemed to be aware.

She and one or two others were playing down by the Thames River (bottom of Hyde Park/Little Estate area) and they saw a 'flasher' expose himself - he was across the river in springbank park.  They ran and told one of the neighbour parents.

I hope that these memories bring forward more input and ideas or avenues to explore.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on March 11, 2012, 06:25:27 AM
Thanks so much Pookie.  I too remember the flashers in Springbank Park.  Because we spent so much time on the river we did see a lot of that.  Seems we were surrounded by weirdos.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on March 17, 2012, 07:54:03 AM
A follow up response from Michael Arntfield in today's London Free Press:

http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2012/03/16/19513231.html (http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2012/03/16/19513231.html)

Further attention on these cold cases.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on March 17, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
Interesting...goNgo.  Arntfield did mention in the article that the Canadian coverage is about to change, which is a postive.

Just a side note:  I was born in the '50's and came across my fair shair of flashers in Scarborough/Toronto, as well. 
And yet my kids, thank God, never came across it like I did in the '50's and '60's.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on March 17, 2012, 08:50:55 AM
(Click on the article to enlarge.)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/xtra/Frankie-MichaelArntfieldresponseMarch172012a.jpg)



Speaking for myself, I very much appreciate Michael Arntfield's well-considered and informative reply to Bente Jensen's article, as well as his mention of how he was personally affected by Frankie's case.

This appeared on the same page as another editorial, about Tori Stafford's parents. Given the attention the current trial for her murder is receiving in the media, somehow it seems appropriate, and in fact necessary, to call for renewed attention on London's unsolved cases.

Especially since there are now alternative forums for gathering information, and investigation, if the police are unable to devote resources (like this board). As Mr. Arntfield alludes, silence helps nobody. Talking about and examining these cases will help break them.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on March 18, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
We were very happy to read Mike Arntfield's response in Saturday's paper.  It is so encouraging to know that Professor Arntfield, his students and team are interested in examining local cold cases.  Thank you Mike!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 27, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
I have been reading this thread and joined because I'm hoping I can contribute things from my memory.  I'm unable to finish reading all the comments so I apologize if I have repeated something that someone else has contributed. 

I grew up on Nissouri Rd just behind the airport next door to Heeman's Strawberry Farm and lived there from 1958 to 1975.  My parents continued to live there until the fall of 2000.  Scott Leishman was a classmate until Plover Mills School was built. 

Our road was known as the 2nd concession and the 1st was one road west.  It starts at the north end of the airport and runs north along the Thames River, past Plover Mills right to Hwy 7 (Elginfield Rd) with a little jog at Thorndale Road.  This is the road that Scott lived on and from what I understand is where Frankie was found. 

And, there is an old bridge on the first, just south of Thorndale Rd and it has/had an area where you could drive your car down closer to the river and off the road.  Our family went there a couple of times for a picnic and to fish.

Also, I haven't read that anyone has mentioned that on the north east corner of the first and Thorndale Road, is a large flat area where the army conducted maneuvers.  Quite frequently we would see army tanks and jeeps travelling north on our road heading toward this area.  I think that maybe air/army/sea cadets may have camped there too.  I was reminded of this by the mention of a "green" uniform.   A person who may have been at some of the events would certainly have a good knowledge of the area.

And oddly enough, I think Scott lived right across the street from this area but I'm not sure I remember right.  There is a Thorndale group on FB and I'll ask if anyone remembers exactly where he lived .  I do remember that the other house belonged to Max Tye who owned a garage in Thorndale.

I will come back again and will try to find more info. 

It would be great to see these crimes solved.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 27, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
Is it coincidental that Wolosley Barracks is on Oxford Street which is a direct route to Oakridge Park.  Then there is a direct route to Thorndale by heading north on Hyde Park Road and west on Medway Road?  Just a thought...
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on March 28, 2012, 06:37:10 AM
Thanks for the information CountryGirl,

It has been very difficult to understand the coordinates of locations around Thorndale - and your post is extremely helpful.   Hopefully you can continue to contribute to our collective understanding!

From your post, RR2 is the same as Nissouri Road (which then becomes Country Road 27).  I was still a little unsure of RR#1.  Based on current maps would RR#1 be the same as what is now Rebecca Road...which, makes the jog at Thorndale Road and then becomes Valley View Road?

Thanks for helping clarify this...and it does show that the location where Scott was last seen is very close to where Frankie was discovered.

Remote possibility - the body of Suzanne Miller (as listed in these London threads) as also found in Thorndale, but the location has never been easy to determine.  Do you have any thoughts/info on where she may have been found?

Thanks
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on March 28, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Welcome Countrygirl! 

Thanks so much for posting.  Hearing from a local helps put perspective on things.  It would be great to find out what other locals recall from back at that time too.

Do you recall if there was much discussion about Scott's disappearance and any speculation?


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 28, 2012, 11:02:13 PM
I've been thinking about Scott's disappearance and realized today that I went to school with Bill Leishman who was possibly a brother.  Scott would have been 3 - 4 years older than me so I didn't know him.  I was only 12 and don't remember anything.  I asked my parents tonight if they remembered anything but no luck there either.  I'll post on the Thorndale page in Facebook to see if anyone remembers anything.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 28, 2012, 11:09:42 PM
Foghorn, you are correct in your comments about the first & second concessions.  The first is Rebecca/Valley View  Rd.  I will check out the other case you mention to see if anything comes to mind or if I can pinpoint the location better.

I confirmed with my Dad about the army being in that area and he said they were.  He wasn't sure about maneuvers but he knew that they camped there.  This would take in the area where the campground is today.

Thanks for welcoming me.  I am going to post this site onto the Thorndale Facebook Page & invite people to have a look.  Many of my friends grew up north of Thorndale and in the village itself.  Maybe someone will have some information on any of these cases - Scott, Frankie and Susan.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on March 29, 2012, 05:41:56 AM
Hi CountryGirl,

Thanks for jogging my memory about the field (just north of the Thorndale Road bridge, just west of ValleyView Road).  I seem to recall that it was used by both the army cadets and the military reserves for various training exercises and overnight camping.   Also, in the summer, folks would park on VV road and haul canoes down to the river from there.  Some trails running from the road down to the river's edge are visible on Google maps.  We used to fish a lot in that part of the Thames - usually parking on Rebecca Road, a few hundred meters south of Thorndale Road, and then hiking down the steep ravine to the Thames.   My memory of the section of river between the Plover Mill Bridge and the Thorndale Rd. bridge is unfortunately much more hazy.

You had mentioned an old bridge just south of the bridge on Thorndale Road.  I see on the maps that there is a structure of an old bridge just south of the Plover Mill Road, and what looks to be a little road that leads down to it.  Was there a similar structure south of the bridge on Thorndale Road?

Thanks for the great info!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on March 29, 2012, 07:05:44 AM
Countrygirl--welcome and thank you for offering to post this site on the Thorndale facebook page.

Scott Leishman's thread, on this forum, is also listed under "London", and could be helpful in jogging memories of Thorndale residents.


 Have faith
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on March 29, 2012, 12:02:46 PM
CountryGirl,

While tapping into the Thorndale Facebook, if you happen to find out anything about Suzanne Miller - that would be great.  Since she was not from Thorndale, but instead her body was found in Thorndale, it is quite possible that there is not much that can be recalled about her.  There is a little bit here on the Unsolved Site, under her own thread.  Unfortunately the few articles may make it difficult to determine where her body was left.  In one article it states that her body was found "in dense bush".  In another article this becomes "in some bushes".  The third article states that is was in a "dense wooded area".

I guess the definition of dense bush varies...but I am thinking it is most likely suggesting a heavily wooded area.   Might such an area have existed in Thorndale back in the early '70s?  The articles does not mention proximity to the river, so it may include any of the various woodlots on farm properties (of which there were probably quite a few!).   

Thanks!

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 29, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Hi all.  I have posted on the Facebook page and there have been many comments.  One person personally emailed me and said she had one to school with Scott although not in the same grade.  He was one year older.  She said he was a "very likeable boy, kind and well mannered" and that his disappearance impacted Thorndale greatly. 

I have posted a link for them to this website and have provided what detail I can based on what I've read but I have encouraged them to come here to read the stories.  I hope they do.  One girl said she was involved in the search for Scott. 

I hope they drop by and tell what they remember.  I will keep trying to find out what I can.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on March 29, 2012, 08:05:55 PM
I have asked about Suzanne Miller, but so far there is no response to her case.    One girl thought that Frye killed them, another said that Scott was abducted walking home from Thorndale and claims the same person had left Frankie there.  But that's it so far.

As for the bridge, it was just south of Thorndale Rd so that would have been on Rebecca Road, almost at the corner.  It wasn't really a road going down there, it was more like a tractor path and a couple of cars could fit there.  I think it was more of a "pull off the road" for fishermen.

I'll keep in touch regarding anything more that I hear.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on March 31, 2012, 04:52:45 AM
Thank you Countrygirl for joining us here.  We look forward to hearing more from you and your Thorndale friends.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: countrygirl on April 03, 2012, 05:54:07 PM
So sorry - nothing yet.  I have to say that I'm a little surprised but will keep trying to find out more :(
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on April 12, 2012, 03:12:55 AM
Hello Countrygirl
I am not surprised that you're getting little or no feedback.  Though these cases are old, comments we've received seem to indicate that some are still afraid to reveal what they know yet others are relieved to be able to "unload".  It will take time countrygirl but if we keep asking, hopefully someday, someone will find their courage to speak.  Thanks again for working with us, it really is appreciated.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: ava on May 18, 2012, 08:58:31 PM
I was a teenager at the time of these many child murders in London.  This murderer would have never gotten away with this today.  I attended the trial of Glen Fryer, and I remember when the judge arrived at his difficult decision (and it was a trial by judge only,) saying to Fryer that he came within a hair's breadth of being convicted.  To me, the locations of Jackie Dunleavy's body, Frankie's home, and the Fryer home were just to close to be coincidental.  It has always bothered me greatly that these murders have gone unpunished.  Now that I have two grandsons, I think more about little Frankie and how vile that person was who took him.  Frankie and the others have not been forgotten all these years, I promise you.  But that vile perpetrator must have up and moved away or somehow stopped himself out of fear.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on May 19, 2012, 07:36:50 AM
Hello Ava and thank you for joining us here and remembering our brother.  Though it has been 44 long years, our family is intent on solving this mystery.  Likely the person who took Frankie is dead but as you say, there is the chance that the perpetrator moved away and is still living.  There are many similarities  to these child murders and hopefully, with people like yourself joining and sharing their remembrances along with today's technology, our questions will be answered.  We appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: ava on May 19, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
I just wish something would turn up that would lead to the killer.  Families suffering all these years without retribution.  It's all so unfair. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on May 25, 2012, 05:40:50 AM
Never give up hope Ava...someone out there knows something.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on May 27, 2012, 08:01:24 PM
The recent confession in the 33-years-past murder of six-year-old Etan Patz in NYC last week gives me hope that something can still happen in Frankie's case:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/nyregion/man-claims-he-strangled-etan-patz-police-say.html
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on May 28, 2012, 08:54:51 AM
Hi Ava... when you attended the trial, was it because you knew one of the victims? What were your impressions of Fryer?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Woodland on June 20, 2012, 02:01:44 PM
So sorry to see that gibbons is missing from the forum - I consider gibbons one of the best friends these cold cases from the London area had.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on June 22, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
This article is so well written!




http://www.lfpress.com/comment/2012/02/13/19372741.html
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Woodland on June 22, 2012, 06:58:00 PM
Very powerful words by Frankie's sister.  She asks the right questions, but so few listen or realize the impact, imo.

We're teaching Canadians about American cold cases?  We don't have any?  Only Canadian LE is of that opinion.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: D1 on June 22, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote
The Vidocq Society of Pennsylvania is a brilliant group of forensic scientists who work on cold cases and don’t charge for their services. They are amenable to working on Canadian cases but haven’t for one simple reason: Canadian police will not share information.

We have a problem here in Canada bigger than any one case can tell, bigger than any one family can tackle.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on July 10, 2012, 07:31:55 AM
Thank you Sunshine 31, Woodland, and D1 is
This site has evolved in the short time I've been a member and certainly everyone's input is encouraging to my family and others.  We must keep asking questions, keep pushing forward and never give up hope for a resolution.  There is someone out there who knows something and the more we question and promote this site, the more likely we are to find answers. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on September 06, 2012, 06:50:03 PM
The original LFP article (posted on this site in an earlier reply - see map in Reply #18) that depicts where Frankie's body was found differs somewhat from the text description of the location.  Whether Frankie was found north or south of Centre Road is therefore unclear, and it in some ways confuses later reports of where Scott Leishman (another unsolved case from the same year) may have lived since his house location is referenced to where Frankie was eventually recovered from the Thames.

The following (see below) PDF is from the OPP unsolved cases website, where Frankie's case is listed in 1968.   I am not sure who made this sketch...whether it was the OPP...or whether it may have been supplied to them.   The location shown is south of Centre Road, fits the text description (1.5 miles north of bridge), but differs from the map depiction shown in the LFP article from 1968.  Theexact location should still be a point of discussion until it is resolved as it has obvious implications in terms of access locations to the river.

If anyone has information as to the exact area encompassed by the term RR1 Thorndale - that would be helpful.  Also, if anyone recollects which road was considered as the (gravelled) West Nissouri Township Concession Road 1, that would also be very useful.   The map below is a PDF.  If it is a problem to open, you can also visit the OPP unsolved cases website (you can find a link by re-visiting Reply #156 on this thread. The link is provided at the bottom of that reply)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: foghorn on September 07, 2012, 06:49:47 AM
Composite map of Valley View Road area extending from Thorndale Road to Plover Mill Road showing the two locations (as per  April 1968 London Free Press article and as per OPP web site).  Note that the locations differ with respect to being either north or south of Centre Drive.  For those unfamiliar with the Thames River, the current direction is from top (north) to bottom (south). 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on September 07, 2012, 10:34:35 AM
Excellent spotting Foghorn!  We know from the article that Mr. Mullen, one of 2 men who found Frankie, called the OPP from Mr. Frank O'Shaunessy's home.  The photo shows Mr. O'Shaunessy pointing to the little island where Frankie became entangled in barbed wire.  His address is given as RR 1 Thorndale so a property search should be able to give us the exact location.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on September 12, 2012, 10:58:42 AM
I'd like to begin adding some unpublished London Free Press photos of the search for Frankie. I've been stalling because I'm not quite sure of the best way to present them, since many of them are similar and I don't want to lessen their impact by repetition , but I would hate to leave out one that contains any detail that might spark a memory. In any case, they mostly can speak for themselves, but I would love to hear what can be added.

Chronologically, I'll start with the first but also to my mind the most important one.

Frankie's disappearance was first noted in the late afternoon on Friday, February 9th, when most of the Jensen family had returned home. The school had not called at any point to verify his absence from class (which happens almost immediately now-- perhaps one positive outcome from this tragedy). After a short search on their own of obvious possibilities, the Jensens contacted police, and an extensive hunt began that evening for the missing boy. Here is Mr. Jensen, Frankie's father that night:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-9-1968-3-mr-jensen-Copy.jpg)

(Image reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 9, 1968.)

One can only imagine the stress Mr. Jensen was suddenly faced with, having come home from what was a peaceful, average workday, to face every parent's worst nightmare. Actively involved in the search from the onset, this image shows that Mr. Jensen was in constant communication with the police, while having the forbearance to cope with his own inner turmoil.

Also, from the same night:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-09-1968-1-Copy.jpg)

(Image reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 9, 1968.)


Not sure who these three are, and would welcome any identification.

The state of dress for and the snow shows the weather was clearly a factor in making any search difficult that night, as well as being an imperative for finding Frankie quickly, a prevailing belief (hope?) at that early stage being he had wandered off or gotten lost, and was still nearby.


From February 10th, the following Saturday morning-- the police and a very large number of concerned citizens were mobilized in a foot search of the area, looking for any clue as to where he might be.

Looking north on Hyde Park Road:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968c-search-Copy.jpg)

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968b--search-Copy.jpg)


Heading south on Hyde Park Road, past Riverside:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968d-search-so-Copy.jpg)


There seems to have been a gathering area at what *appears* to be the gas station that was on the southeast corner of Riverside and Hyde Park Road (closest to the Jensen home, which Frankie would have passed). The first two images show looking west across Hyde Park. Please note the cars, foghorn!

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968i-search-Copy.jpg)

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968j-search-Copy.jpg)

Looking northward, across Riverside (the intersection would be just outside the frame on the left):

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968a-search-Copy.jpg)



You'll notice this gentleman above in the earlier three shots:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968e-search-Copy.jpg)


He seems to be a focus for assisting with the search, as the photographer appears to follow his movements in several of the photos. It has been suggested that he is Principal P.L. Pickles of Westdale school. If anyone can verify that-- or name anyone else in the images-- that would help immensely.

(All above images reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 10, 1968.)



More to follow...






Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on September 13, 2012, 03:31:46 AM
Thanks so much for posting these Rkay.  The gentleman with police is not P.L. Pickles.  Could it be Det. Alsop?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on September 20, 2012, 02:36:32 PM
I have copied below a post that I have made to Scott Leishman's thread.

To all Thorndale locals:  Can you please help?

In an effort to locate the exact spot where little Frankie Jensen's body was found, we are trying to locate Frank O'Shaughnessy's property from 1968.  It was Conc. 2, lot 19, and was situated between Nissouri Rd. and Valley View Rd.  Frankie's body was found in the Thames River at the rear of this property.

In 1971 this property was listed as Larry and Louise F. Russell, and it appears to have been owned by the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded.

In 1968 The O'Shaughnessy neighbours were Marta Zecchini (lot 19) and the Estate of Lorna. C. Harris (lot 18).

If anyone could point out this property on Google maps, or provide a current address, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Have Faith



Edit:  change Loise to Louise
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on September 21, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
Please take a moment to sign our petition to the OPP. It's a plea to add all unsolved murder cases in the OPP jurisdiction to their website. Thank you and please share with your friends.

http://www.change.org/petitions/opp-the-opp-website-needs-to-include-all-unsolved-opp-murder-cases# (http://www.change.org/petitions/opp-the-opp-website-needs-to-include-all-unsolved-opp-murder-cases#)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on September 21, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
It would be a good idea to also post the link under General on this forum with an explanation about it. I believe other petitions have been listed there and may get a larger audience cross-Canada as well.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on September 21, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
Thank you... Will do!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: elsie on September 21, 2012, 07:42:56 PM
"  In 1971 this property was listed as Larry and Loise F. Russell, and it appears to have been owned by the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded."

In 1981, my niece was referred to CPRI for her child with Down's Syndrome.
In 1971, did the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded have any direct connections to CPRI?

Several of these unsolved murders are linked to CPRI in one way or another.
Another link is fire - the Jensen store, Betty Harrison's house and the house where Jackie English had lived. Were there any other fires ?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lostlinganer on September 22, 2012, 01:14:56 PM
I don't know if this will help, since I'm not from that area; but last night I started a list of sexual predators around Ontario at the time.  It seems to me that there were some very seriously active pedos being protected in the 60's and 70's (at least that eventually came to light... probably hundreds still not spoken of); so it stands to reason that a lot of kids were in danger all over the province.  .... especially in institutions.  But who's to say these pedophiles didn't abduct elsewhere apart from their regular "comfort zone".  I will try to keep adding to this list.  I think Frankie knew his abductor... trusted him.

 
1. The emotional day-long sentencing hearing was the second for Hall: Weeks ago, the Aylmer man was dealt a three-year prison term for four years of abuse inflicted on a London boy in the 1960s.
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/22/16651966.html
2. The charges were laid last month after a request by The Toronto Star for a 30-year-old document from the Archives of Ontario sparked a police investigation - one of the largest of its kind - into St. Joseph's Training School for Boys at Alfred, east of Ottawa.
The accused - many of them now elderly, gray-haired and balding - face a total of 149 charges of assault causing bodily harm, buggery, indecent assault, gross indecency and attempted buggery.
Ontario Provincial Police launched what they say is the largest sexual abuse investigation in Canada last February after The Star unearthed a confidential report of a 1960 internal probe into the treatment of boys at St. Joseph's, 70 kilometres (40 miles
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/461735511.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Mar+21%2C+1991&author=Darcy+Henton+Toronto+Star&pub=Toronto+Star&desc=19+Brothers+face+sex-abuse+charges+Pre-trial+next+for+men+who+ran+Ontario+reform+school&pqatl=google
3.  A retired 88-year-old Roman Catholic priest who was charged with molesting a student at St. Michael’s College School almost 60 years ago is now facing three more abuse charges.
Rev. William Hodgson Marshall surrendered to police at 52 Divison just after 8 a.m. Thursday, where he was arrested on three indecent assault charges.
Marshall was accompanied by his Windsor-based lawyer, Andrew Bradie, who said his client would be released later in the day.
Marshall, who has been described as in ill health by friends, walked with a wooden cane into the downtown police station at Dundas St. W. and University Ave. from a nearby coffee shop. He did not respond when his name was called.
On Sept. 22, Marshall was first charged by Toronto police with abusing a 15-year-old student in the fall of 1953. That complainant is now 72.
It’s unknown if the new Toronto complainants are former St. Mike’s students.
Marshall, who excelled at teaching math and coaching basketball, is at the centre of a growing sexual abuse scandal that involves 16 complainants from three Ontario cities spanning a period from the early 1950s to the 1980s.
He is accused of abusing 12 other minors while assigned to schools in Windsor and Sudbury.
None of the allegations have been tested in court.
The first charges were laid in Windsor in May against Marshall, who is a member of the Congregation of St. Basil religious order. On Oct. 13, Sudbury police issued an arrest warrant for Marshall but those charges involving six complainants were “dealt with” at 52 Division, Bradie said.
Bradie said the charges from all three cities will be transferred to Windsor to be dealt with in an efficient manner before one judge and one Crown prosecutor.
“We have to co-ordinate the Toronto charges in Toronto court and the Sudbury charges in Sudbury court and ultimately determine where it all leads after I have a chance to assess the entire situation,” Bradie said outside 52 Division.
Bradie said the process of transferring all charges to Windsor could take “months.”
The Sudbury assaults are alleged to have occurred between 1960 and 1970. The Windsor incidents are from the 1950s and the 1980s.
Bradie has acted for clergy previously. Earlier this year, he negotiated a plea agreement for former Windsor priest John Duarte. Duarte was sentenced to 18 months for abusing adolescent boys at the Haitian mission he founded.
Bradie also defended late priest Charles Sylvestre, who at age 83, pleaded guilty in 2006 to sexually abusing 47 girls over the four decades he ministered in the London and Chatham areas.
 http://www.thestar.com/article/878934
4.During his career, Morrissey was an assistant pastor in several parishes in the London, Ont., area. He was later pastor of Roman Catholic congregations in Grand Bend, 100 kilometres (60 miles) northwest of London, and in the Edmonton area, where he was pastor of Our Lady of the Prairies in Daysland, Alta.
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5. ... of 19 religious brothers charged with physical and sexual abuse in the Alfred boys' ... report on allegations of abuse by members of the religious lay order in 1960. When the charges were laid in February, Ontario Provincial Police called the ...

6. 
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/access/465670751.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Aug+07%2C+1991&author=CP&pub=Toronto+Star&desc=Religious+brother+faces+trial+in+Alfred+sex-abuse+case&pqatl=google
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on September 23, 2012, 04:59:47 PM
Thanks to countrygirl : (copied from Scott Leishman's thread)

Morning Faith.  Here are the responses I've gotten so far (in regards to your post #23).  I think it's conflicting though at least in  my memory as the campground is on the river which is on the east side of the road yet another person says west side?
   
Karen Cadick Hunter    22 September 23:55
I remember this Like it was yesterday. And the camp grounds sounds right .
Comment history
   
Jessie St.Amand   22 September 09:38
I was going to say that but was not sure
   
Denise Fewer   22 September 08:03
The existing "River View Campground" on Valleyview was owned by the London and District Association for the Mentally Retarded when we purchased it in 1994. Not sure if thats of any help.
   
Linda O'Neil   21 September 23:03
Hi Lot 19 would be north on Nissouri Rd. from the Thorndale Rd. It would be on the west side. about 2/3 of the way to the oliver side rd.
   
Jessie St.Amand   21 September 21:24
I went on and read it yes very interessting
   
Pam Balfour   21 September 21:14
I am interested in tv shows about unsolved crimes so one night I did some searching on the internet and came across this website. I was able to answer some of the location questions and mentioned that I would post about this website on this Thorndale group. Nothing happened and today I got an email asking if I could post this question to see if anyone has any more info. It's an interesting website! There were 3 cases back then that are eerily similar, Where one body was found, another went missing close by. Scott seems to be the last victim.



The above replies agree to where rkay and I located the O'Shaugnessy property in the 1968 land registry and in the Thorndale map of concessions and lots numbers.  Based on the above replies, and our research, it appears that the O'Shaugnessy property was indeed located directly south of the River View Campground, on the west side of the Thames.  Looking at google maps, there is a small island in this area, as well as a very large one. (Frankie's body was snagged on an island).


HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on September 23, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
Much belated, but thank you so much for the images posted above, rkay.

This really puts the time and place in context.  It actually gives me the shivers.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: freeman on September 25, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
"  In 1971 this property was listed as Larry and Loise F. Russell, and it appears to have been owned by the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded."

In 1981, my niece was referred to CPRI for her child with Down's Syndrome.
In 1971, did the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded have any direct connections to CPRI?


Elsie
Jackie Dunleavy's body was found in the driveway of the Katherine Harley School beside CPRI, that school was for the mentally retarded children of the London area at that time.  So there might be a connection through the LDA for the Mentally Retarded or associated families.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: elsie on September 27, 2012, 08:12:27 AM
Yesterday evening, I was watching the History channel and a program about solving the mystery of Jack the Ripper came on.  An envelope containing a letter sent to the London police in 1888 was tested for DNA traces.  There had been a number of letters sent to the police at that time but this one described what the killer planned to do to the next victim and a few days later unfortunately it happened.  So police believed that this particular letter was really sent by the killer and not some crank.   The investigators had bones from a person of interest who is not usually named as a possible suspect.  They hoped to get a DNA match from saliva on the stamp.  The lab did get a sample of DNA but to everyone's astonishment, the DNA was from a woman!  So the mystery deepens on who licked the stamp - maybe a postal worker or a secretary or a suspect?
But the really interesting part is that a lab could test evidence that old and find a viable sample to get a DNA profile.
So that opens more possibilities for solving more recent cold cases.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on November 01, 2012, 06:33:14 PM
More unpublished images taken by the London Free Press of the initial search for Frankie. These deal with the same dozen officers seen in the previous photos searching along Hyde Park Road (back on pg 15), now looking around Wards Field to the south of Westdale Public school as well as on the north side.

Here they are on the north side of Westdale (which would be south of Oakridge High School and Oxford St.):

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFPFeb101968-police-behind-.jpg)

Long shadows from the east suggests it's early morning. The ranking officer who seems to be in charge of the ground search is second from the right. The insignia on his sleeves indicate he's a Staff Sergeant; he has the walkie-talkie and can also be seen more clearly on the page 15 photos. Anyone know who he might be?


Here are several officers progressing northward in the ground search:


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFPFebruary101968-field-beh.jpg)

(Images above reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 10, 1968.)

Of course, in hindsight, there's no reason to think Frankie would have walked past the safety of the school and onward, but at this point they were still presuming a lost boy and not necessarily an abducted one.


This photo is taken basically where Quinton Road is now (click below for 'street view' of 1068 Quinton, one can get the exact same view):


http://www.google.ca/maps?q=Quinton+Road,+London,+Ontario&hl=en&ll=42.973222,-81.31417&spn=0.001066,0.002642&sll=43.700805,-79.520947&sspn=0.001061,0.002642&oq=quinton++ontario&t=h&hnear=Quinton+Rd,+London,+Middlesex+County,+Ontario&layer=c&cbll=42.973339,-81.314332&panoid=Gi2qwtgdWPkmu9BJu3qWKw&cbp=13,165.48,,0,-3.39&z=19 (http://www.google.ca/maps?q=Quinton+Road,+London,+Ontario&hl=en&ll=42.973222,-81.31417&spn=0.001066,0.002642&sll=43.700805,-79.520947&sspn=0.001061,0.002642&oq=quinton++ontario&t=h&hnear=Quinton+Rd,+London,+Middlesex+County,+Ontario&layer=c&cbll=42.973339,-81.314332&panoid=Gi2qwtgdWPkmu9BJu3qWKw&cbp=13,165.48,,0,-3.39&z=19)


The above path on the right side of the Google image shows the path leading past Westdale to Oakridge H.S. You can also see that some of the same trees still exist on the far side of the school. If only they could talk...


More to come shortly.



Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lacey on November 06, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Ive had a difficult time joining this site, not yet able to and am using my daughters log in. I grew up in Frankies neighbourhood, played with him, was the same age as him and walked Hyde Park road as well to St. Pauls school. I lived at 369 Hyde Park Rd. My name is Linda, my brother who played with Frankie as well is Werner. Frankie is always in my thoughts, I cant even imagine what his family must have gone through and the pain to this day of not knowing who did this. Im not sure how helpfull my memories could be but thought it worthwhile to share. My brother and I walked home from school one day, down hyde pk from oxford st, about half way to riverside drive. A car slowed and a man and a woman looked at us, the car stopped and the woman passenger asked us if we wanted a ride. My brother replied with a firm no... this was after Frankies dissapearence and parents had put the fear into our minds of who might still be out there. The woman in the car then told us she had spoken to our mother and that my mother had told her to pick us up. I whispered to Werner that she was lieing, mom was at work and she wouldnt tell anyone that. Werner told her NO in a firm voice and they slowly drove away. We later told our mother what happened and she said we did the right thing, she hadnt told anyone to pick us up. My thought is that if this same couple aproached Frankie and used the same line to get him into the car, would he have willingly gone with them? If he was late for school and had kids picking on him, might he have been happy at the thought that his mother might have sent a ride for him? I cannot remember the make or even the color of the car, in my momory, it was a large car. I dont think my mother ever called the police and unfortunately her memory is now very poor. My brother and I also sometimes walked the paths that went from hyde park to oakridge highschool. I also saw the pile of pornographic magazines that were mentioned earlier. Later still, when I was in grade nine at Oakridge high school, I too saw a man in the bushes there, exposing himself. Im not sure if any of this is of any help, just thought maybe I should add it. My email is dawsonlinda@live.com
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on November 06, 2012, 10:38:56 PM
Hi lacey,

Thank you for joining, and thank your daughter for the use of her computer. :-)

Your recollection of the couple who tried to pick you up, is so important.  Every story told, by every person who was there in 1969, contributes to the compilation of data that is crucial to this case.  It is people like you who add so much to the investigation.

You said that you can't remember much about the car, other than the fact it was large.  Could you please ask your brother what he remembers about the car?  It is so important.

Thank you Linda for making the effort to join this site.  Your story has been a help.

Have Faith




Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lacey on November 07, 2012, 09:59:06 AM
Im glad my post has been some help. Ive sent mail to my brother Werner, asking him if he remembers the day the couple tryed to pick us up, if he remembers the make or color of the car. I also have an older brother Gunther who I think may have been part of a search party. Im thinking he would have been around 2o at the time. Ive sent him mail as well asking if he remembers anything about that time. Ill post again when I hear from either one of them.   Linda                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lacey on November 07, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
I have spoken to my brother Gunther and given him the name of this site so he can have a look himself. He told me he was in the search through the fields north of where we lived on Hyde park side rd.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on November 08, 2012, 06:13:59 AM
Welcome to Unsolved lacey!  So glad to have you here.

It certainly seems like were people with bad motives in the area.  I believe that I read earlier on the thread that Frankie was a nervous young guy and he wouldn't have gotten into a stranger's car, but I guess you never know.  As you mention he might have been even more sensitive to being late and, if he thought they had just spoken to his mother then I guess it's a possibility we can't overlook.

Thanks for putting in the effort to follow up with your siblings.  I can't wait to hear some of your brothers' recollections.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on November 08, 2012, 07:55:57 AM
Thanks for joining us here Lacey.  I do remember your brother Werner being a friend of Frankie and I appreciate your input here.  I also remember your family and am very grateful for any memories that you and your siblings can recall.  goNgo, not sure if Frankie might have felt safe accepting a ride from a couple particularly if the woman offered and said she was a friend of Mom.  I KNOW he never would have accepted a ride from a single male driver.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on November 08, 2012, 08:16:22 AM
I have spoken to my brother Gunther and given him the name of this site so he can have a look himself. He told me he was in the search through the fields north of where we lived on Hyde park side rd.
Welcome to this site Lacey and thank you for caring enough to contribute! Anything that you or your family might be able to recall could help. I am wondering if you could remember about the development of Hazelton subdivision at that time. In the photos that RKay posted, we can see houses in the distance on the south side of Riverside. From your house could you see the subdivision developing along St. Anthony? Had they cut enough of the small forest to glimpse the construction going on there?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on November 08, 2012, 08:25:39 AM
Welcome Lacey! Your memories and input will be such a valued addition to the site so thank you so much for sharing. It must have been very traumatic for Frankie's friends to go through given their age and closeness. It's amazing that people were using such tactics as "your mother told us to come get you" back then yet as a rule, kids were just told not to talk to strangers, take candy etc. Thankfully you and your brother were mindful of what tragedy had already happened. At that time, had someone tried to get you in their car, would the kids in the area felt comfortable to run to the closest house if they felt threatened?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lacey on November 08, 2012, 02:59:36 PM
goNgo - Thankyou for the wecome. Im still waiting to hear from my brother Werner, he works out of town alot. Jensen - Im so sorry for everything youve been through all these years and I pray there will be answers soon. 071358 - Thank you. I do remember the developement of Hazelton subdivision and could see it from my home. As children, we also played in the field and even around the construction sites after workers went home, our parents didnt know this at the time. Chickapey - Thank you. You are so right, the loss of Frankie was traumatic and put a fear in us that I believe at the time, may have saved our lives. Im thinking if it had happened earlier, we may have gotten into that car with the couple. At that time, there was a long stretch of road with no houses. To answer your question, would the kids have felt comfortable to run to the closest house, yes they would have but an adult or car would likely have caught up to them had it happened in an area with no homes. Linda
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on November 10, 2012, 11:10:32 AM
Hi lacey, not much more I can add that the 'regulars' haven't already said, but welcome to the thread, and especially pleased to have someone else who knew and cared about Frankie here.

I've already got a request for you! For lacey, jensen, 071358, and anyone else who cares to pipe in to identify the locations of these images.

These are from the search for Frankie on the morning of Saturday, February 10th, 1969; continuing with the sequence already started on the previous page. I'd just like to pin down exactly where they are:

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/Feb-10-1968k-field-1-Copy.jpg)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/Feb-10-1968l-field-2-Copy.jpg)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1969f-field3.jpg)


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFP-Feb-10-1968g-field4-Copy.jpg)


(Images above reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 10, 1968.)

All the photos came to me out of order, and I've imposed one that seems to make sense (I had originally hoped that they might be 'stitched' together to create a panoramic view, but unfortunately it can't be done, as the photographer seems to be moving in a slight forward direction towards the officers rather than fully parallel).

In them we have the same Staff-Sergeant leading his men (he seems to be the officer to the far right in the first three pics), along with the one plainclothes person in the hat and high-collared coat, in what I am presuming is a northerly direction, given the shadows. That means they are either moving through Ward's Field (south of Westdale P.S.) or north of the school (as seen in the previous pictures near what is now Quinton Road). I'm quite sure they're all of a 'set'-- meaning, the photographer followed the officers along Frankie's likely route, from the Hyde Park/Riverside command post up towards Westdale, and then beyond.

I had thought by the sloping in the first two photos that we were close to where the path to the school deviated from Old Hyde Park Road, east of the pond, but obviously I need someone who was actually there to clarify. And in the last two images there does seem to be a considerable undeveloped expanse behind the search party, which seems rather vast to me to be a view looking west (i.e. towards the direction of Hyde Park Road). And could it be possibly that the negatives themselves have been flipped in their reproduction?

Rather than my speculating, maybe someone with a good memory can solve the question of locations easily by chiming in! Thanks in advance.



Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on November 10, 2012, 01:33:07 PM
Thank you Rkay for posting these pictures. I can't help but remark about the quality of these shots. It's possible to zoom in a long way without losing clarity. Having done that, I can say that I am almost certain that Image 1 and 2 are taken above the dip in the old Hyde Park Road looking west. They are walking north. Beyond them (west) is the bog and they are in the area just above Fergie's Pond. Picture #2 is the same location but slightly north-note the slope of the ground.
I am not as positive about Pictures # 3 & 4 but can offer a good and I believe solid guess. Perhaps someone else could confirm or dispute. Zoom in and you will see that the 4 trees in both pictures are the same. As the old HP RD came up from the dip (when traveling north), there was a farm on the left side at its crest. That land was farmed and therefore bare. In Picture # 4, I believe that the hill with the tree behind the officer second from the right shows this small farm. On the right side of the road, there was some scrub but as you travelled a little more north, that land also became open and bare. We would often walk a diagonal path from Westdale School to the Oakridge Plaza. There was bush to the immediate west north west of Westdale School for a short distance but then it opened up wide like a farmer's field. We could see all the way to Oxford St. from there. I believe that the bush on the right side of picture 3 & 4 was just before that second farmed field. I hope this can be some help.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on November 12, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
Thanks 07 (If I can be so informal). That helps a lot.

So in 2012, what we can see of the landscape in the first two photos is still somewhat in existence. (I may go take pictures to compare.)

The bottom two photos then, shows the officers slightly northwest of the school then, which would place Oxford Street in the direction off to the right of the frame. Knowing the area as I do today, that vast expanse of empty space astounds me!


Here's one more to consider, that might be a little easier to pin down:


(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/LFPFeb-10-1968m-field-behin.jpg)


(Image reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 10, 1968.)



Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on November 13, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
It's my opinion that this photo is taken where the pathway to Westdale School emerged from the bush just before Valetta. The houses shown would then be the backs of the houses on Plantation Rd.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on November 13, 2012, 02:06:19 PM
So this would be from the POV of looking south, with the school behind us, and Hyde Park Road would be off to our right?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on November 13, 2012, 02:21:39 PM
No, The officers would have come into the clearing from the bush and be walking north east towards Westdale.  Hyde Park would be to the left. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on November 13, 2012, 03:36:45 PM
Wow... these pictures are fantastic and almost like they are from another area altogether. It seems that if Frankie had been walking here, there are several houses that were in full view. Was the bush part thicker... most like the bog area now? I keep thinking back to what tactics were used by the couple to get lacey and her brother into the car. I wonder if it was a man and woman trying to talk Frankie into going with them, would he have believed them... that his mother had sent them? The trick is still used today so it's obviously one that works.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lacey on November 14, 2012, 07:44:01 PM
Ive heard from my brother Werner who unfortunately dosnt remember the day we were offered a ride on Hyde Pk Rd by the couple. Im wondering if anyone knows if a hypnotist could help me remember more details of that day, eg. color or make of the car?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on November 14, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
Hi lacey,

Thanks for your effort in asking your brother.  Forty plus years is a long time for recalling memories, and unpleasant ones can be blocked.  I've provided a link on hypnotism aiding in memory recall.  It seems to work with some people, per "Psychology Today".



http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hypnosis-the-power-trance/200909/does-hypnosis-improve-memory (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hypnosis-the-power-trance/200909/does-hypnosis-improve-memory)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: amadusa on December 07, 2012, 12:08:00 AM
Do any of you from Frankie's community remember a gravel road that ran north from Riverside Drive with bush on the right-hand (east) side? On the other side of this field was where Valetta St. ended at the time. Was that Hyde Park Side Road? Or was it a gravel road that has become Everglades? I remember walking up that road in 1964. There was a fenced field with small trees to the east and I think just more bush on the west. Maybe it was Ward's Field. I don't remember there being any houses on the west side of the road and that's why I think it perhaps wasn't Hyde Park Side Road. I am trying to investigate some things that happened to me on that road.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 07, 2012, 06:45:35 AM
Do any of you from Frankie's community remember a gravel road that ran north from Riverside Drive with bush on the right-hand (east) side? On the other side of this field was where Valetta St. ended at the time. Was that Hyde Park Side Road? Or was it a gravel road that has become Everglades? I remember walking up that road in 1964. There was a fenced field with small trees to the east and I think just more bush on the west. Maybe it was Ward's Field. I don't remember there being any houses on the west side of the road and that's why I think it perhaps wasn't Hyde Park Side Road. I am trying to investigate some things that happened to me on that road.

Where Valetta ended, there was a path which could have been described as a road in that it was defined by tire tracks for a short distance. The tire tracks stopped at a hill, a rather steep one from a child's point of view, that dropped down to a silver PUC building. There was an access road to the PUC building that ran east from old Hyde Park Road. It's still there today. The access road and PUC building is shown on a map on this site. The path or road you are refering to is also indicated. I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: amadusa on December 07, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
It's the gravel or dirt road that ran north from Riverside I'm wondering about.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on December 07, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
Sorry amadusa but I don't recall a gravel road there. Travelling east from HP Rd. There were 4 houses that are still on Riverside (the white brick ranch house came later ),  then a lane that went to an insul brick farmhouse on Ward's property, then scrub and bush field, a gully where the green area is for the Everglade condos, a small orchard belonging to the little house just past the condos, and then Palmtree. If you drive or walk it, you will see just before Palmtree, as the road rises, therre is a green and white house on the rise. I understand that that house was moved to its current site years ago from the golf course property. The only place I can imagine a road could have been would be just west of that house but I don't ever recall one there. Before Westdale was built we walked that area to Riverside school every day.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: amadusa on December 07, 2012, 04:40:10 PM
It must have been the lane that you mention then. I was taken off Riverside Drive up that lane and into a fenced field with either short trees or big bushes by a young man who assaulted me in 1964. I am investigating what happened to me and trying to find out who that man was.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on December 09, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
Sorry to hear that, amadusa. This edge-of-the-city neighbourhood seems to become increasingly fraught with danger in the 1960's. Did the police get involved at all (assuming you don't mind talking about it)?


Here are some more images from the search for Frankie. taken Sunday, February 11th. These are taken inside the gas station building (the exterior Shell sign sits in the back of two of the photos) at the southeast corner of Hyde Park Road and Riverside, which had been turned into an impromptu command post for the search.

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/Frankie-LFP-Feb-11-1968-1.jpg)

(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/rkay7/FrankieJ%20LFP/Frankie-LFP-Feb-11-1968-2.jpg)


Appended to the map of the area is the iconic photo of Frankie. The searchers here would have been made up of volunteers, though possibly there are other official emergency personnel pictured here.


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(All images above reproduced courtesy of the London Free Press Collection of Photographic Negatives, The University of Western Ontario Archives, February 11, 1968.)

For the record, there are some photographs that involve searches along the banks of the Thames in the Springbank Park area, but given where Frankie was eventually found, it seemed unnecessary to include them here.


It would be helpful if anyone can identify anyone here pictured in the photos. If so, please feel free to PM me directly here.


One piece of identification: the gentleman holding the receiver in the second pair of photos has a coat with the name "Dick" embroidered on it.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on December 09, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Amadusa... on page two of this thread, there are a few maps and descriptions of the area at the time. Maybe that could help identify the road you're looking for.  Were the police involved at the time?

Rkay... I think one of the men in the photo with "dick" looks like my father but another head is blocking his face. I had no idea he was involved in any searches but it sounds like him. He passed in 1997 so I can't confirm this.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 14, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
jessybessy,

The mention of the green uniform was noted in reply#59, by poster 071358. 

Quote:
"From a young person's point of view, It is difficult to say how old this stalker was. He was crouched and so I can't even say how tall. He was wearing what I would describe as a uniform...short, green jacket, matching pants and a cap. He was fair skinned with dark hair and eyebrows. After Frankie's disappearance, I understand that the neighbourhood children were driven to school. Those of us who had gone on to high school no longer used the path but walked the longer route up Hyde Park to Oxford Street. As to whether the police investigated our reports in more depth, I can only hope that they did."

It is my understanding that this occurrence happened a few years before Frankie went missing, and was never a part of Frankie's investigation.  I also believe that photos of military uniforms from that time were researched, but didn't fit the description provided by 071358.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on December 14, 2012, 09:29:10 PM
Welcome condolences (Bryan),

You have some very good ideas, and it is always beneficial to hear from people who actually lived in Frankie's neighbourhood, even though it was some time later.

You are empathetic and this is not only a wonderful trait, but also one that is helpful in solving mysteries, because you can put yourself in someone elses shoes. 

Have faith

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 03, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
Could we arrange a Frankie's walk this year? Start at the foot of Hazel Av and walk to the school?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on January 04, 2013, 11:38:04 AM
Such a wonderful thought Chickapey.  It will be 45 years on Feb. 9th since Frankie was taken from us and it's heart warming to know that there are so many who remember him.  It's time we had resolution.
Thank you unsolved Canada for shining your light on the victims of London's dark history.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on January 04, 2013, 11:45:15 AM
I have meant to post this so many times....Thank You Angela Ellis for researching and starting so many of these threads.  Through this site you've introduced us to so many hard working and caring people.  Though we may not know you personally, we appreciate all you've done for us.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Magfinn on January 05, 2013, 08:58:05 PM
Hello to all
I grew up in Oakridge and went to Westdale.  I was likely 5 years younger than Frankie.  My sister however sat behind him in school.  I remember my parents telling me as I grew up, that they took part in the search for him.  I have contacted my sister and have asked her if she recalls anything prior to that day in February and if she also recalls anything that could help that took place after his murder.  I will post as soon as I hear from her.  I still live in Oakridge and Frankie is with us all everyday and never far from our thoughts......my heart goes out to the Jensen family and know we will never forget him....ever.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 05, 2013, 11:44:17 PM
Welcome Magfinn! Your insight as well as your sisters will be very  helpful!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: 071358 on January 06, 2013, 06:08:01 AM
Hello to all
I grew up in Oakridge and went to Westdale.  I was likely 5 years younger than Frankie.  My sister however sat behind him in school.  I remember my parents telling me as I grew up, that they took part in the search for him.  I have contacted my sister and have asked her if she recalls anything prior to that day in February and if she also recalls anything that could help that took place after his murder.  I will post as soon as I hear from her.  I still live in Oakridge and Frankie is with us all everyday and never far from our thoughts......my heart goes out to the Jensen family and know we will never forget him....ever.

Welcome Magfinn to Frankie's thread. It's so telling that the memory of one little boy can remain in people's thoughts so many years later.  The impact of these terrible crimes and the scars they leave on our community and our children are immeasurable. Thank you for caring enough to express your thoughts.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on January 06, 2013, 10:48:24 AM
Our walk for Frankie will be postponed until next year.  Please remember Frankie every day x
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: elsie on January 06, 2013, 08:18:40 PM
This walk is an excellent idea and the idea could be expanded to include anniversaries for others as well.  That would keep these unsolved cases alive in public memory and encourage more tips and investigations.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 02, 2013, 07:24:31 AM
Hi everyone, 45 years is a very long time but 46 years would be too long of a time. I plan to make "Frankie's Walk" a week from today on February 9th. I will be leaving the corner of Hyde Park Road and St. Anthony Road at 8:30am and heading north. Walking alone as Frankie did will be okay but I would certainly welcome the company of members of this site, family members or friends and families of other victims.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on February 02, 2013, 09:25:48 AM
You all are a wonderful group of people. I'll be there with you all in thoughts from over 3000 kms away as you walk Frankie's walk.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: debbiec on February 04, 2013, 09:45:19 AM
Our walk for Frankie will be postponed until next year.  Please remember Frankie every day x

For any who may be unaware. Thank you chickapey.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 04, 2013, 11:52:57 AM
Dear factsfirst
Welcome and thank you for joining our search.  We were incredibly touched by Chickapey's suggestion to walk for Frankie on the 45th anniversary of his murder.  This past year, since the opinion piece was published in the LFP, has been an emotional roller coaster.  We've had many good tips and some extremely solid leads.  With the assistance of so many generous people on this site and others who have introduced themselves privately, we have been conducting our own investigation into our brother's death.  This journey has been both exhilarating and horrifying yet we will continue to move forward with a positive outlook until Frankie's case can be properly closed.  We know we're on the right path and we will not give up.
Sometimes, when I read the posts I'm moved to tears for the goodness and hard work of everyone here.  There are no words to properly express our gratitude to all of you for keeping Frankie in your thoughts.  There is one singular thought that haunts us and that is the horror our little Brother faced in his last hours.  When I'm feeling emotional, I summon my anger at this single thought and my anger pushes me on.  It would be very easy as some might say to "let it go and move on it's been 45 years"...but it wouldn't be right.  We weren't raised to take the easy road.  We were raised to stand up for what is right and Frankie deserves better.  Keeping our emotions in check is sometimes difficult and we know such a walk would not be easy for us at this time.   Our intention is to keep pushing forward, working with all of you to bring resolution.  It's time to bring London's dark history to light.  Thank you for honouring Frankie.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: tryingtohelp on February 04, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
Well said Jensen, whatever we can do to help.  London certainly has a very dark past that needs to be exposed.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2013, 08:40:28 AM
Such bright sunny weather again this year. I wonder if that's a sign that things will be clearer this year and Frankie's family will have answers. I like to think so.

It's been too long. Sleep well, sweet boy.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
Just returned from completing "Frankie's Walk" along Hyde Park Road to the school and back. Beautiful, cold day of minus 12 and almost eerily quiet. The topography has changed in some areas in 45 years but the ancient oak trees remain frozen in time and look much as they did in rkay's posted pictures. I walked right up to touch the front door of the school and wished that somehow Frankie could have made it that far. Rest in peace Frankie.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 09, 2013, 02:51:41 PM


I am also remembering Frankie today, and thinking about how loved and cherished he was, and is, by his wonderful family, and forever missed by his friends and neighbours.  Frankie's innocence and goodness were frozen in time, as he became a perfect, little angel 45 years ago.  I just know that he is in a good place.

Frankie was blessed with family members who have shown the raw courage and resilience, to ride the emotional roller coaster, through the lows of re-visiting the evil and despair, and the highs of progress and hope, in their search for the truth.  I can only imagine how difficult this journey is for them.  I have utmost awe and respect for Frankie's sisters, and all the other families we meet on UC, who fight and maintain hope for justice and answers. 




"Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops at all."
Emily Dickinson

 Have Faith


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 09, 2013, 03:01:15 PM
Just returned from completing "Frankie's Walk" along Hyde Park Road to the school and back. Beautiful, cold day of minus 12 and almost eerily quiet. The topography has changed in some areas in 45 years but the ancient oak trees remain frozen in time and look much as they did in rkay's posted pictures. I walked right up to touch the front door of the school and wished that somehow Frankie could have made it that far. Rest in peace Frankie.



I saw your footprints, factsfirst! All the way up to the door. I was late today as I had to get one of my own kids somewhere by 8:45-- but I felt that Frankie would have approved their safe transport. But I too got to the destination on Frankie's behalf. A truly beautiful morning and I like to think of that as a reflection of the peace Frankie knows now.

I suggest the best legacy that Frankie could have is that, every February 9th, everyone with children in the home give them an extra long hug, and tell them that they love them.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2013, 04:40:21 PM
Hi rkay, I was wondering if someone might notice my tracks in that deep, pristine, undisturbed snow. Actually it seems good that you are following me for a change because it seems for the past few months that I have been following you; to the London Room; UWO Archives; Plover Mills Road and the Highway #3 corridor to name a few.
   We have never met but the effort that you have gone to in order to find the truth is nothing less than extraordinary. I am hoping that we can meet in the near future to see if I can add to the work that has been done by everyone here. There are people working hard on these cases who have trouble posting in a public forum because of closeness to victims, suspects and families but it would be a mistake to underestimate their determination, knowledge and resolve.
   I like having defined goals so I vowed that I would do everything I could to make substantial progress in many of these cases by the end of 2013. The families, such as the stalwart Jensens, deserve no less.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: goNgo on February 09, 2013, 07:05:21 PM
February 9.

I have always loved February 9.  This is my sister's birthday.  We are very close and I am lucky to have her in my life.

February 9. 

I know this is a tough day for Frankie's family, and I wish I was with them to comfort them in some way, but as always, the family of a victim of violence bears a unique pain.  The Jensens are loving, tough, caring and determined.  They have inspired me and continue to do so.  I truly hope that this is the final anniversary of Frankie's death where uncertainty is a sad companion.  The Jensens deserve no less. 

"To live in the hearts of those we love is never to die."


Frankie has united many of us in spirit and it is incredible that he still carries such power. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
Little Frankie Jensen was lovingly remembered today, as was his entire family.
The years pass but we will never forget Frankie. He lives in our hearts & minds.
I know Frankie is well pleased with his family's enduring love & commitment to him.
Frankie has touched the hearts of so many.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Concerned on February 09, 2013, 07:57:31 PM
Children are little pieces of innocence that should never be allowed to be stolen and lost through another's plan. It is rather beautiful and touching the way many today have honored little Frankie; one special little boy in the hearts and minds of many. Prayers and peace.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: scotty on February 10, 2013, 04:51:26 PM
Hello all.
I am new to this site and am most impressed with all the hard work you have been doing in an effort to solve the murder of Frankie.  I grew up in Oakridge and was a student at Westdale P/S. I was among those students/friends who played with Frankie at recess even though Frankie was a couple years older than me.  I still remember that horrible weekend when we found out about Frankie's disappearance from our parents.  There is no doubt in my mind that Frankie was a victim of a serial killer on the loose in London and area at that time.  I noted in one of the threads that someone asked about the location of a picture posted?.  It was the last picture on the thread and showed several London Police officers walking through the bush area.  This pic. shows the officers walking north towards Oakridge SS and to the east are houses that are on Larkspur Cres..  The officers are on the very edge of Oakridge SS property at that time. I hope this info helps.  There however is not much doubt in my mind that Frankie was abducted by a person in a vehicle along the Hyde Park Road area as this was very desolate during that time.
If any of you have questions about the area at the time or anything else I will try my best to help out.  Frankie's family needs closure after all these years and so does Frankie! 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Dear Have Faith, goNgo, Rkay, Chickapey, factsfirst, Jesa, and concerned, 
Your heartfelt words on the 45th anniversary have been shared with Mom and the family today.   Clearly, with the help of all of you and the unsolved site, Frankie has not and will not be forgotten.  Words cannot express how grateful we are for each and every one of you.  I hear the day was bright, the sky was blue, the snow was deep, a perfect winter day...I'll take that as a sign that we are on the right path together.  Looking forward to one day being able to thank all of you face to face.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 10, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
Welcome Scotty! Thank you for joining us! it's always a  bonus to have someone from the era and area help us ! There are several photos from the day of the search. There are a few of the men looking over maps on a previous page and it would be nice to put some names to the faces.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2013, 05:17:27 PM
Hello Scotty
So nice of you to join us.. thank you.  It's always great and appreciated to hear from someone who knew and remembers Frankie.  There are many pictures on this thread and though you were very young at the time, perhaps you might have known some of them, a neighbour, a friend's father perhaps.  In one of the pictures for instance, taken inside the gas station which was a command station for the search, are a group of men.  I believe the gentleman in the striped knit hat might be Mr Pickles, the principal at Westdale.  Any chance you might recognize him and if not him, anyone?
Thanks again Scotty.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
Wow Factsfirst...I'm impressed!  Have always been blown away with the extensive research that Rkay has done for our family and others.  Having read your post, I am so encouraged. the more analytical minds the better!  Thanks so much for your interest in Frankie's case.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 10, 2013, 05:29:10 PM
Welcome Scotty and factsfirst.  Nice to have you aboard.  :-) 


HF
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: scotty on February 10, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
Thanks chickapey and jensen.  I have looked at those pics and sadly cant put any names to them.  I was only 7 at the time.  I will certainly do some digging though and see if  I can come up with something. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 10, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
rkay, Did you receive the information. If not, I will try again. If so, feel free to share with Jensen. Thanks.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: rkay on February 11, 2013, 11:00:38 PM
PM sent, factsfirst. And welcome to both you and Scotty. Thanks for joining us.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 12, 2013, 07:00:27 AM
Thanks factsfirst.  It sounds like you might be able to shed some light here.  We used to play in the barn at the Little estate as kids.  The house stood empty for many years but we did know Brenda Blinkhorn who lived in the caretakers cottage there.  Did you know Brenda?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 08, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
Remembering the Jensen family & Frankie at this time. Please know that Frankie will always be remembered & missed by so many people. You are in my thoughts & my prayers. Frankie will not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 08, 2014, 08:30:46 PM
I can only echo Jesa's thoughts. Thinking of the family tonight. The research, determination and resolve carry on. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2014, 12:00:15 AM
To the boy whose giggle I can hear through the black and white photo... you are remembered every day. Today is a sad anniversary of something that should have never happened but it's also the day we can remind people there are answers that are still coming.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 09, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Remembering Frankie and thinking of his loving, indomitable family. 


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Have Faith
xo



Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Concerned on February 09, 2014, 10:28:34 AM
Definitely, not forgotten. It is so sad that the family has now answers for over four decades.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 24, 2014, 05:34:22 PM
With acknowledgements to the University of Western Ontario Map and Data Center I have attached a cropped aerial photograph taken in late 1967 of the Frankie Jensen crime scene. There is a wealth of information available for many of these cases in the center located in the basement of the Weldon Library @ UWO. There are aerial photos of most of the crime scenes.  This clear photograph taken just a few weeks before the abduction shows quite a bit of detail including, for example, the "gas island" that is visible in rkay's posted photographs of the makeshift command center at the former Shell  gas station on the southeast corner of Hyde Park Road and Riverside Drive. This photo could be reproduced much more clearly and an original negative must exist somewhere.
  Originally I thought that Frankie might have been talked into accepting a ride along Hyde Park Road but looking at this photo, I find this unlikely. We have an account that "the family homes along Hyde Park before the pathway were very active". We have a "solid witness account" that "I saw Frankie, waved to him and he waved back". Surely at this point the witness is standing at the corner of the farm fence just beyond the last farm house. Note the worn path. Frankie at that point had at least made it past the jog in Hyde Park @ Riverside. The "jog" no longer exists. Take a close look at the photo and you can see the exact route from the corner post of the farm fence toward Westdale Public School. It is basically a straight line. If you carefully review replies #21, #23, #28 and #101 and compare them and the schematic maps and the photo, it is a real eyeopener. Especially look for phrases like "lane where creeps drove in and hid" and "cars entered here and were shielded by brush". My opinion is that this crime started between the corner post and the small creek.
  Many of the aerial maps @ UWO can be accessed on-line. For example if you want to know exactly what this area looked like in 1955, just do this: 1. Google "UWO Map and Data Center". 2. Click on "Aerial Photos" near the top. 3. Click on "Urban Coverage". 4. Click on "1955". 5. Click on the fourth red dot from the left on the third row from the bottom. Zoom as required. 6. Compare to 1967 aerial. Quality aerial photographs exist for all of the 1968-1983 cold cases.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lostlinganer on February 24, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
you are a terrific researcher factsfirst;  also a capable writer.  This is what would/could narrow down theories to the point of logical type of suspect in that area.
It is encouraging to see you guys approaching this case the way you have, as of late.... and coming up with such good facts and logic... all very enlightening!  I hope somebody comes forward from that time.  There may not always be a witness, but there usually ends up to be a bragger, a conscience, or other incident after the fact, that can break this case open if the right person realizes they know something, recalls a little detail from that time, and/or decides to help.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on March 22, 2014, 07:02:13 AM
http://www.lfpress.com/2014/03/21/boxing-in-a-serial-killer (http://www.lfpress.com/2014/03/21/boxing-in-a-serial-killer)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on May 24, 2014, 06:44:57 AM
There looks like a laneway of sort almost by the pond with perhaps a house nearby.  It looks to continue to join up almost by the school and meet the other path. Could cars drive this path entirely or was it just to the house then fade into a footpath ?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on May 24, 2014, 09:53:50 AM
The "house" that you mention which was located near "Fergie"s Pond" was actually a steel shed that housed one of the deep wells that were used to supply London with drinking water before the Lake Huron pipeline was built. The access road was used by Waterworks staff to monitor and maintain the well. The well remains in use as one of seven deep wells that provide emergency back-up should anything happen to the drinking water supply pipelines to Lake Huron and Lake Erie. The other six emergency wells are all located on the Quarry course at Fanshawe Golf Club. The steel shed is now gone but the pumping equipment is still there. It is housed in the bunker-like structure at the end of the access road. Waterworks crews continue to use this roadway today to maintain this active, back-up, drinking water source.
   A vehicle could not negotiate going further past the building along this access road because of underbrush and a sharp elevation difference going up to Westdale Public School. There is another path that starts just a bit to the south and it is identified in reply #101 as "a lane where creeps drove in and hid". It comes very close to intersecting Frankie's likely route. To me, it is by far the most likely site where Frankie was abducted into a car.  Perhaps someone with better "zoom skills" than I could have a close look at the end of this path as it is shown in the aerial photo. I could swear there is a car at the end of this path in the photo.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on May 24, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
Yes I see what you're talking about and it does look like a car.

Wasn't there a house down in that 'valley' though? A friend of mine says he remembers it burning down when he was younger... it would have been after the new Hyde Park Road was put in and I believe he said a lady had lived there but had moved out a short time before it burned. They went down to watch the fire department put out the fire.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on May 25, 2014, 08:23:04 AM
The house that burned down could certainly be one of the two that are visible in the photo on the west side of Hyde Park. They are the only two that were located "in the valley". All of the houses on the east side of Hyde Park were at the present level of the road.
  The secluded "valley" of Hyde Park Sideroad is also, in my opinion, the most likely spot that Jacqueline Dunleavy was murdered. If she accepted a ride then it is possible that she would have thought she was heading home......whether she was driven along Springbank Drive or Riverside Drive......until the car headed north either on Hyde Park if it was Riverside or Sanatorium Road if it was Springbank. The ties between these two crimes are so strong.........
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on June 11, 2014, 07:03:01 PM
In thinking it over Chickapey, I am wondering if you are asking whether Frankie could have been talked into accepting a ride in the latter part of his route to school. Nothing is impossible but this is extremely unlikely. Given that there was no direct road to Westdale in 1968 in a car except for driving back to Riverside all the way to Palmtree or proceeding to Oxford and circling around that way, it would probably be quicker to walk the last 2 or 3 hundred yards by himself. Frankie would have known this. Given that Frankie was a shy boy who had fantastic parents who had undoubtably discussed with him at length the dangers of getting into a strange  car due to the fact that a murdered body of a 16 year old had turned up less than a kilometer away only a month earlier, makes it most likely that Frankie was forcibly abducted.
  I have spent a fair bit of time over the last two years researching where Frankie's body was found. All indications are that the London Free Press was very accurate and the OPP was wrong. Normally this wouldn't be a big deal, just arrows on the map in farmland, but unfortunately there is a property in between the arrows that was a camp that was owned by the London District Association for the Mentally Retarded. Because C.P.R.I. and the Katherine Harley School have possible connections to these crimes, it is at best an unfortunate error. The events that went on there at these two institutions are suspect because the 40 million dollar lawsuit that was recently settled against two other similar institutions for the same time period in Ontario. I have planned several canoe trips the last two springs to ascertain exactly where Frankie's body was found and I still believe that the spot where the photos from April 12th, 1968 were taken can be found and GPS'ed for future reference. Low water levels and no leaves on the trees are requisites to be sure of the location. I will post the pictures when I get them.
   The lack of effort and information about the murder of Scott Leishman bothers me. Here is another young person abducted in perfect sequence to Jacqueline Dunleavy and Frankie Jensen who was dumped in Big Otter Creek, perhaps at Richmond, where some of Jacqueline English's clothes were found. The circle for the murders of Jacqueline Dunleavy, Frankie Jensen, Scott Leishman and Jacqueline English is as tight as it could be, especially given that Jacqueline English's belongings were found only a couple of hundred feet from where she lived a month before she was killed. Jacqueline English was likely stalked. Knowing what we know now, the first place I would look for Jacqueline English's missing clothing would have been the parking lot and area toward the river behind the Stanley Street variety store.
   
   The effort to identify the individuals in posted pictures involved in the search for Frankie goes on. I hope to have some positive ID's soon.
   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lostlinganer on June 11, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
Hi guys; I'm very seldom on here now, but I do drop by once a month or so and read updates.  I have to say that back several years ago when I first read about Frankie's case, I developed a picture in my mind about a man driving back and forth to work in an institution.  Yes... I do get those kinds of pictures in my head at first glance of a new case.  Without spending hours browsing back on this long thread, I am trying to recall if I ever mentioned that fact on this thread.   (like maybe I would say something like: "has anyone ever considered this could have been done by a worker... or a priest or brother from a local facility?")   When I was a daily regular on this site, I was reluctant to say such a thing... but I really do get images in my head the first time a read a new case.   

Anyway, since I don't have the time to go back and glance at the kinds of discussions on this thread.... I just asked myself the following question:  I wonder if family members or witness from the many other similar cases, would recall people and/or faces lurking "after the fact" in any of the other cases. 
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The following appears courtesy of the 9/27/99 Canadian Press news wire:
Sep 27, 1999

Arrest made in 30-year-old case

LONDON, Ont. (CP) - A man has been charged with first-degree murder in
the case
of a southwestern Ontario teenager who disappeared on Halloween more
than 30
years ago.

Glenda Tedball was 16 years old in 1967 when she went missing from her
home
near Thedford, about 45 kilometres northwest of London, on Oct. 31.

A body was never found but police are continuing to search for one.

The arrest of 66-year-old Edward Gratton, of London, on Friday is the
result of
an ongoing joint investigation by the Ontario Provincial Police and
London city
police known as Project Angel.

Project Angel is looking into 20 unsolved murders in southwestern
Ontario
dating between to 1956 and 1983.

The arrest of Gratton for the 1967 murder is the ``first significant
development'' for the police task force since its formation three years
ago,
said London police Chief Al Gramolini.

He said he is ``very pleased we've been able to successfully conclude
one of
those cases, not only for the community, but the families involved.''

Tedball went missing from her family farm home after going out for a
walk in
the morning. She had been home sick from classes at North Middlesex
District
High School in Parkhill, near Thedford, and was last seen walking toward
the
woods on the 50-hectare farm.

Despite exhaustive searches and pleas from her family, no trace of the
teen was
ever found.

Neighbours reported police were digging Sunday at part of the old
foundation of
the farmhouse near Parkhill, once owned by Tedball's family.

The farmhouse burned down some time after Glenda's disappearance and was
never
replaced.

After the house fire, the family sold the farm and it has since been
used only
for crops.

Project Angel went public with its investigations two years ago when it
announced it was starting to gather DNA and other forensic evidence from
the
Centre of Forensic Sciences in Toronto.

Since then, officers have interviewed families and witnesses and made
public
appeals for tips.

Gratton, who recently moved to London from Belleville, grew up in
Thedford,
about 10 kilometres from where Glenda Tedball lived, his brother Louis
Gratton
of Stratford said last night.

Gratton was to appear in a London court today. (London Free Press)
----------------------------------------------------------
  The following four news articles all appear courtesy of the London
Free Press
newspaper:

Tuesday, September 28, 1999

A list of cases under review in Project Angel police effort

By ROXANNE BEAUBIEN, Free Press Crime Reporter

 Tuesday, September 28, 1999

Glenda's story just gets sadder

By Julie Carl, Free Press Columnist

PARKHILL< --  The 300 or so kids walked at arm's length from each other,

fanning out from the Tedball home.

Across the fields the students walked. Among the woodlots, through the
tall
grass, along the river, they searched.

All day long, they looked and looked and found not a sign.

For 32 years, no one found a single sign of 16-year-old Glenda Tedball.

The students' search will forever be etched in schoolmate Joyce Van
Ryn's
memory.

She remembers so clearly walking the fields around this tiny town in
search of
the young girl, an acquaintance at North Middlesex District high school,
who
disappeared Oct. 31, 1967.

Hundreds of searchers retraced the students' steps in the weeks after
Glenda
disappeared.

And still they found no sign of her.

Tomorrow, Edward Lee Gratton, 66, makes his second court appearance,
charged
with Glenda's murder.

Over the weekend, after questioning Gratton on Friday, police looked for
Glenda
somewhere the students never searched: the family home. Police used a
backhoe
to excavate the foundations of the farmhouse, destroyed by fire two
years after
Glenda disappeared.

"Some articles" were found and sent for analysis, but it's still not
clear if
there was any sign of Glenda.

Townsfolk's surprise at an arrest in the long-ago disappearance pales
compared
with their shock at whispers Glenda disappeared after a botched abortion
in her
family home.

"That's so sad," Van Ryn said when told.

Van Ryn, two years ahead of Glenda and in a different program at school,
didn't
know her well.

Glenda suffered from asthma and epilepsy. She also suffered from
shyness, Van
Ryn remembers. She was a bit of a loner.

There were no close girlfriends to giggle with in the halls. No one to
share
secrets with after school.

No one remembers the girl having a boyfriend.

At first, some thought Glenda had run away from a less-than-perfect home
life.
When she didn't return, some expected her body would be found close to
home.

But it wasn't. And the mystery continued.

Over at the Parkhill Gazette, staffer Joyce Hayter looks at the front
page from
Nov. 9, 1967, the week after Glenda disappeared.

Glenda smiles from the top of the page. She looks pretty in a school
photo, a
chain holding a heart-shaped locket frames her face.

The stark reality of her story shows in a picture at the bottom of the
page.
It's of police officers pumping out a drainage pond, scuba divers
standing by
to recover her body.

Customers at the Parkhill Variety yesterday talked of nothing but
Glenda's
disappearance, said manager Charlie Shin. They came in whispering her
sad
story.

Yesterday, a driveway full of cars at Glenda's brother Mike's house
belied
friends and family gathering at his home.

A haggard-looking man answered the front door. His eyes looked haunted
as he
politely told reporters he had no comment.

All in this town are grieving again for the girl no one knew who
disappeared
from their midst so long ago.

Van Ryn, a nurse in Detroit, said 30-plus years ago school support
services
that might have helped Glenda simply weren't available in the rural
area.

"I know there'd have been help for her today," she said adamantly.

And that makes Glenda's story even more tragic.

The mother of one of Glenda's schoolmates said she's never forgotten the
girl.

Every time the woman, who asked to not be identified, drove by the site
of the
Tedball home she'd think of her.

It's a cruel thing when a young girl just disappears with no trace.

"We've all lived with that mystery all these years," the woman said.

It seems, as Glenda's story unfolds, her story, her mystery, will just
get
sadder.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tuesday, September 28, 1999

Family worries about suspect's health

The death of Glenda Tedball

By JONATHAN SHER, Free Press Reporter

  Edward Gratton may meet his maker before he gets his day in court, his
family
worries.

The 66-year-old Londoner, who has endured a decade of decline and a
brush with
death, lacks the physical, emotional or mental strength to survive
incarceration or a murder trial, they said.

"Ed is a sick, sick man. This is going to kill him. He's 66 and you'd
think
he's 86," said his sister, who spoke to The Free Press from her modest
Kipps
Lane apartment in London.

Gratton and his wife had just returned to London three months ago after
years
in Belleville caring for his wife's mother. They moved into the
apartment next
to his sister, who performed chores and shopping the older couple can't
handle
for themselves.

All three were there Friday when police arrived at Gratton's apartment,
whisking him to London police headquarters. They returned that afternoon
and
took in the women for questioning.

"The cop stood up to tell his wife that her husband had been charged
with
murder," said the sister, who asked not to be identified. "You might as
well
have used a knife to cut my heart out," she said.

Gratton has always been a gentle man, his sister said. "If he took a fly

swatter and killed a fly on the wall, that would eat his heart out," she
said.

Twenty-two years into his second marriage, Gratton hasn't had a cross
word for
his wife, his sister said. During that time, he has fought a losing
battle with
his body, almost dying in a Kingston hospital.

Since his arrest, Gratton has phoned his wife and sister several times
from the
Elgin Middlesex Detention Centre.

His sobs haunt them. "The emotional stress that man is under is just
pitiful,"
the sister said.

His sister -- who prides herself as the strong one in the family -- is
afraid
to go, for fear she might break down and cry.

She bit her lip to hold back tears when her husband phoned yesterday
from the
Montreal area where he'd just learned of the murder charge.

A truck driver, he had been unaware until a daughter phoned with the
horrible
news.

"I'm fine. What can I do?" the sister told him. She hung up the phone
and broke
down, admitting she had put on a show of strength because she worried
about her
husband, who at 69 still drives a truck.

Gratton was on the move much of his life, but not on a truck.

He worked five years as a building superintendent at an apartment in
Cranbrook,
B.C., before arriving in London in the 1980s. After three stints with
security
companies, he retired because of poor health and has survived since on
disability payments.

That's a far step from the early 1950s, when a young Gratton served in
the
Canadian military's Royal Canadian Artillery, according to a resume he
left
with employers.

Days of health are now a distant memory.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/zfy6wt5ic7M..... were there that many child killers operating in and around London, Ontario (or) was one or a few killers able to evade suspicion or detection because the "victim ology" was so diverse? 

London police examining unsolved murders in the London region:

- 1956 -- Susan Cadieux, 5, of London, was playing with friends when a man who
appeared to be going to visit St. Mary's school stopped to talk to her on Jan.
6. She vanished a few minutes later. After a search, her body was found the
next morning on the CP Rail tracks near William Street. She had been sexually
assaulted.

- 1959 -- Real Tessier, 33, was last seen alive March 31 at the Empire Hotel in
St. Thomas. He was found shot dead beside a vehicle outside the city less than
an hour later .

- 196 * -- Margaret Sheeler, 20, left her London home in December 1963. Her
partially clothed body was found nearly a month later in a field beside Kipps
Lane. Killed by head injuries, she showed signs of being sexually assaulted.

- 1964 -- Victoria Mayo, 32, was found dead of multiple stab wounds on Aug. 6
in her basement apartment on London's Sydenham Street. Entry to the apartment
had been forced.

- 1967 -- Glenda Tedball, 16, was last seen walking into a bush on Halloween
day near her RR 4, Thedford, home. She has never been found but police have
charged Edward Gratton, 66, with first-degree murder in her case.

- 1968 -- Jacqueline Dunleavy, 16, of Byron, was a Grade 10 student at
Westminster secondary school when she was killed in January. She was strangled
with either her scarf or a belt and struck on the head. Her partially clothed
body was found in the driveway of what was then Katherine Harley school, near
the London Hunt and Country Club. There is evidence she was sexually assaulted.

- 1968 -- Frankie Jensen, 9, of London, disappeared on his way to Westdale
public school on Feb. 9. His body was found two months later in the Thames
River near Thorndale. He had a fractured skull and was partially clothed. It is
unclear if he was sexually assaulted.

- 1968 -- Scott Leishman, 16, of RR 1, Thorndale, was missing for three months
before his body was found in Port Burwell harbour on May 15. There were no
signs of violence but some of his clothing was disturbed. It is unclear if he
was sexually assaulted.

- 1968 -- Helga Beer, 31, of London, was found in the rear seat of her car in a
parking lot off Carling Street near Dundas Street. She had been beaten,
strangled and sexually assaulted. She was last seen alive leaving a friend's
downtown apartment Aug. 6 with an unknown man.

- 1968 -- Lynda White, 19, of Burlington, was a student at the University of
Western Ontario who disappeared after writing a French exam on Nov. 13. Her
remains were found five years later in a shallow grave near St. Williams in
Norfolk County. Police were unable to determine the cause of death.

- 1969 -- Jane Wooley, 62, of London, was found partially clothed Feb. 3 in her
apartment on York Street three days after she was killed. She had been brutally
beaten. She was last seen leaving the London House on Dundas Street where she
was a chambermaid. There was no evidence of sexual assault.

- 1969 -- Patricia Anne Bovin, 22, of London, was found stabbed and strangled
April 24 on the second floor of the King Street apartment where she lived with
her two young sons.

- 1969 -- Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, of London, disappeared from his
Piccadilly Street home June 7. His body was found in a woodlot in London
Township, six kilometres from his home. Police could not determine the cause of
death and there was no evidence of sexual assault.

- 1969 -- Jacqueline English, 15, of London, was last seen getting into a car
Oct. 4 at the cafeteria of a store at a shopping plaza on Wellington Road, near
the London Ice House. Her nude body was found five days later in Big Otter
Creek near Tillsonburg. She had been sexually assaulted and killed by a blow to
the head.

- 1970 -- Soraya O'Connell, 15, of London, vanished after telling friends she
was hitchhiking from a camp at the Fanshawe Youth Centre in northeast London on
Aug. 14. Her body was found four years later in an old dump south of Stratford.
Little clothing was recovered but it is unknown if she was sexually assaulted.

- 1970 -- Edith Authier, 57, of Merlin in Kent County, was found stabbed,
beaten and sexually assaulted in her home Sept. 5.

- 1972 -- Priscilla Merle, 21, of London, was last seen getting into a car
outside her sister's home in London on March 4. Her left arm was found two
weeks later in Kettle Creek, north of Port Stanley. Her upper torso was found
beside a Kettle Creek marina a month later. For the next several months, police
continued to recover pieces of her body in the area.

- 1975 -- Irene Francis Gibbons, 66, of Strathroy, was found dead in the
bedroom of the bungalow where she lived alone. She was strangled but not
sexually assaulted and no valuables were stolen.

- 1978 -- Irene MacDonald, 36, of London, was last seen in September. She was
reported missing five months later and has never been found.

- 198 * -- Donna Jean Awcock, 17, of London, was last seen leaving a
convenience store near her Cheyenne Avenue housing complex. Her strangled,
partly clad body was found about 15 metres down an embankment overlooking
Fanshawe Dam. She had been sexually assaulted.


Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on June 13, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Hi FactsFirst.... I don't think Frankie would have taken a ride with someone he didn't know or recognize but anything is possible... tricked, yes... talked into, no. Taken by force... absolutely. Someone could have used the good old "your mother sent me to get you" " Your mother is sick... I need to take you to her" and who knows. When I was younger, we were mainly told not to talk to strangers. I was shy at that age as well but if someone told me my mother had sent them, I would have likely gone. We know a lot more now and there are passwords , codes etc families use but then it wasn't as well known a trick.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on July 13, 2014, 07:29:26 AM
Happy Birthday Frankie.  xx
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on September 15, 2014, 01:20:07 PM
While this thread is on Frankie Jensen, Glenda Tedball  is also mentioned.  I found this article on Glenda, her murder has been solved.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/qHTXjjHIKV8

The following appears courtesy of the 9/27/99 Canadian Press news wire:
Sep 27, 1999

Arrest made in 30-year-old case

LONDON, Ont. (CP) - A man has been charged with first-degree murder in
the case
of a southwestern Ontario teenager who disappeared on Halloween more
than 30
years ago.

Glenda Tedball was 16 years old in 1967 when she went missing from her
home
near Thedford, about 45 kilometres northwest of London, on Oct. 31.

A body was never found but police are continuing to search for one.

The arrest of 66-year-old Edward Gratton, of London, on Friday is the
result of
an ongoing joint investigation by the Ontario Provincial Police and
London city
police known as Project Angel.

Project Angel is looking into 20 unsolved murders in southwestern
Ontario
dating between to 1956 and 1983.

The arrest of Gratton for the 1967 murder is the ``first significant
development'' for the police task force since its formation three years
ago,
said London police Chief Al Gramolini.

He said he is ``very pleased we've been able to successfully conclude
one of
those cases, not only for the community, but the families involved.''

Tedball went missing from her family farm home after going out for a
walk in
the morning. She had been home sick from classes at North Middlesex
District
High School in Parkhill, near Thedford, and was last seen walking toward
the
woods on the 50-hectare farm.

Despite exhaustive searches and pleas from her family, no trace of the
teen was
ever found.

Neighbours reported police were digging Sunday at part of the old
foundation of
the farmhouse near Parkhill, once owned by Tedball's family.

The farmhouse burned down some time after Glenda's disappearance and was
never
replaced.
After the house fire, the family sold the farm and it has since been
used only
for crops.

Project Angel went public with its investigations two years ago when it
announced it was starting to gather DNA and other forensic evidence from
the
Centre of Forensic Sciences in Toronto.

Since then, officers have interviewed families and witnesses and made
public
appeals for tips.

Gratton, who recently moved to London from Belleville, grew up in
Thedford,
about 10 kilometres from where Glenda Tedball lived, his brother Louis
Gratton
of Stratford said last night.

Gratton was to appear in a London court today. (London Free Press)
----------------------------------------------------------
  The following four news articles all appear courtesy of the London
Free Press
newspaper:

Tuesday, September 28, 1999

A list of cases under review in Project Angel police effort

By ROXANNE BEAUBIEN, Free Press Crime Reporter

  The list of cases being reviewed by Project Angel, a joint effort by
OPP and
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on October 20, 2014, 08:17:48 PM
Would like to get started on identifying some of the people and places in rkay's posted pictures. From page #15, Reply #214, rkay posted 9 pictures. Picture #3 and picture #4 are similar although in reverse order because in #3 the group has moved further south toward the Thames River. The two gentlemen walking side by side in both pictures are the Ward brothers.....Hubert in the white knit coat and striped stocking hat and Pat in his brown duffle coat. At this time Pat is the head Greenskeeper at the adjacent Thames Valley Golf Course and Hubert is the head Greenskeeper at Fanshawe Golf Course. The Ward family were the original settlers from Ireland in the mid-1800's of much of the land in this area, including the land that became Thames Valley Golf Course. Pat and Hubert were the fourth generation from the original settlers. Hubert lived @ ****Riverside Drive and Pat lived on Palmtree Drive. The two story farmhouse where Hubert lived can be clearly seen in the cropped aerial photo from 1967. The farmhouse is located in that small loop of a driveway that can be seen just off Riverside Drive and directly east of the Jensen's house. The Wards knew just about everything that had ever occurred in West London.
  The 5th picture looks south on Hyde Park Road and has the name Wm. Pillsworth *** on the mailbox. Mr. Pillsworth passed away just a few weeks ago. He was an employee of the Recreation Department of the Public Utilities Commission. If you stand where this picture was taken in the winter when there are no leaves on the trees, it is amazing how things now are identical due to the long lived oak and spruce trees. Those two tall spruce trees in the center of the photo and that form the backdrop when you are teeing off on #15 of the Classic Course at Thames Valley, are still there.
  The most noticeable feature of pictures #6 and #7 is the row of tall spruce trees in the background that lined the driveway to the majestic Hazelden Estate, summer home to the Little family. These pictures both aim directly west. Some of these spruce trees still exist.
  The 8th picture shows the back of Pat Ward on the extreme right side of the picture. Pat's car, a 1967 or 1968 grey Impala with a black roof is parked along Riverside Drive facing east. We used to call it the "Great White Shark". Anyone who ever worked for Pat would understand the reasons why.
  In Reply #250 on page 17 the first picture, I believe, includes Norm Crossan on the left smoking a cigarette. Norm was great friends with Hubert Ward but not necessarily with Pat Ward. Norm owned all the farmland near the corner of Oxford and Wonderland, including for example the land where Westgate Honda is located. Needless to say Norm died a wealthy man.
  The next picture shows Hubert Ward looking at the map with the picture of Frankie in the corner. It is not surprising to see Hubert giving directions.......he was a "take charge guy". Hubert had bushy eyebrows, big hands and needed his black rimmed glasses from Sears to see much of anything. The inspector looks like a big guy also but look at the size of Hubert's hands compared to the average sized hands of the fellow taking notes.

***street addresses removed
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on October 21, 2014, 02:14:20 PM
This is fantastic information Factsfirst... I wonder if Rkay can go back and modify the posts to include your names and descriptions
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on October 21, 2014, 09:57:51 PM
Wow Factsfirst this is awesome information you have written for us. Thank you
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 02, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
It is February so just a few thoughts about Frankie's case:
1. How far did Frankie have to walk to school? Not far, just over a kilometer.....best guess 1200 meters.
2. For how much of that distance was he not in plain view of a house? Not far either....perhaps 110 meters or less than 10% of the way.
3. Where did Scott Leishman live? At **** Valleyview Road.
4. How far is that from where Frankie was found? 3.8 kilometers.
5. How far was Scott's house from Thorndale? Very close, just 2.4 kilometers west of the intersection of King Street[Thorndale Road] and the railroad tracks.
6. Where did Frank O'Shaunessy live? [His house was where the phone call was made to the authorities once Frankie had been found]. ****.
7. How do you know that? It seems the address was never published but there are a lot of reasons that I think that was his house. 1. It matches the work of individuals on this site. 2. It matches the London Free Press description of the river flowing through "open fields" @ 4mph. 3. It is six times closer than any other farmhouse in the area at that time. 4. Aerial photos from the County at that time show how close it was to Frankie's discovery site and islands in the river are visible closeby. 5. Frank's property was clearly on the west side of the river given the photo of the discovery site.
8. How long did Frank live there? Not long, from 1967 to 1973.

9. How many canoeists passed within a few feet of Frankie's body during the "Bunny Bundle Canoe Race" on the Sunday before he was discovered? Almost 200 given that pictures of the race show 2 paddlers in almost every canoe. There were 101 watercraft entered. Frank O'Shaunessy also saw the object from the bank on the Sunday which turned out to be Frankie.
10. Do you think Frankie's body was dumped off the Plover Mills bridge? I don't know but what strikes me is that the last two January's I have crossed that bridge and it is solid ice. No open water anywhere to be seen in either direction. The river is so much smaller up there than it is in London after a few creeks and the South Branch have joined the flow. It freezes over very easily. It was bitterly cold in the winter of 1968.
11. Does anyone remember Alton Jeffries from RR1 Thorndale who drowned in a boating accident @ Long Point in 1969?

****street addresses removed

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2015, 08:32:44 AM
You are not forgotten Frankie. Thinking of you & your amazing family today.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 09, 2015, 08:44:16 AM
Thanks so much Jesa and everyone on these boards for your interest in all these cases.  Time passes yet the search for answers goes on.  Many of us share the loss and are also grateful for the friends we've found here.   On this day I choose to remember the smiling little boy who loved to dance...dance on Frankie!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
I agree Jesa and jensen. Today is only a day to remember the good things. Frankie was a little boy who got to toboggan down the hills at Thames Valley Golf course, visit his parent's homeland in Denmark, visit Slippery the Sea Lion at Storybook Gardens and experience one of the greatest gifts of all which is a wonderful and loving family.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2015, 03:23:09 PM
Obviously I didn't know Frankie but when I think of him, I envision his photo where you can almost hear the laugh. He looks like such a practical joker... the sense of humour fantastic and a big heart. I agree... dance on Frankie
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: EJay on May 23, 2015, 12:43:05 PM
I knew who Frankie was, I went to the same school and was a grade higher then him, my sister hung with his sister a few times, I'm very much know a lot about what went on, tell you a story, at the north hill of Hyde Park side side road before Oxford Street there was this house just at the bottom of the hill that was very clapped together with what ever they could keep it up, I remember this time when I was hanging out with a friend of mine and Frankie happened to be tagging along, he mostly along with the friend of mine and we were passing the house thou I had a bike and was struggling up the hill, as that point, Frankie went onto that property and there were No Trespassing signs on the property and we yelled at him that he was on private property and Frankie just was sticking out his tongue and making face as thou that's how he was showing off, walk around and climbing junk and stuff, the funny thing was that there was a very tall and sorta look like he was a late age teen boy, he was stretched out on the Little porch steps of the the house just at him laughing about it and I thought that was pretty weird, me and my Little friend just ignored it and started struggling up the hill with our bikes or maybe I just had a bike, I know for sure that house had something to do with the missing and murder of Frankie Jensen, the property had lots of junk in and beside the driveway, and I notice that they always had old cars all the time and I assumed who ever there worked on car somehow as a job maybe, as I looked at the map of where Jensens body was found, the water runs away from Plovers Road Bridge, as I think him was dumped from the bridge possibly at night and the was in 1968, I checked around there and I notice Saunders Autoworkers is not too far up stream which has something to do with cars and Saunders was established in 1964, As in my thought, I know for the fact that that house  had something to do with Frankie's murder.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on May 24, 2015, 04:52:05 AM
Hi EJay, always intriguing to see a post from someone who knew Frankie personally. Could you look at the aerial photo posted on Reply #290 and identify which of the two houses [which are clearly visible on the west side of Hyde Park Sideroad] that you are describing? One is very close to the Waterworks access road used to maintain the deep well and the other is further north toward Oxford Street. Although both houses are long gone now, you can walk down there now and easily see exactly where both were. I believe other posters on this site would know the names of the occupants of each house.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: EJay on May 24, 2015, 08:43:46 PM
Hi Factsfirst as I was try to say is it was the house at the bottom of the hill on the west side of Hyde Park Side Rd as of the next house it was a little white cabin cottage type with a bit of green on it, cute little hide away thou an very old lady lived there alone, she was a very nice lady, I went to her door and knocked and ask her for a glass of water thou at that time a lot of people west of HydePark Side Road were still on well water, but anyways the house between the little cabin house and the hill on the west side, as before you go up the hill towards oxford St its just to the west, they always had a different car and lots of junk around the lot, windows were fix with old used windows.
     ask you a Q are you from the Oakridge area in the time period, did you know the Robinson or the Johnstons at that time, I lived on Hibiscus Ave at the time, also Factsfirst do you know any  way to find out who the adult family were or the last names, that would be nice :o)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: EJay on May 24, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
Hi EJay, always intriguing to see a post from someone who knew Frankie personally. Could you look at the aerial photo posted on Reply #290 and identify which of the two houses [which are clearly visible on the east side of Hyde Park Sideroad] that you are describing? One is very close to the Waterworks access road used to maintain the deep well and the other is further north toward Oxford Street. Although both houses are long gone now, you can walk down there now and easily see exactly where both were. I believe other posters on this site would know the names of the occupants of each house.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on May 25, 2015, 09:15:07 AM
Hi EJay, in answer to your questions; yes I did grow up in this time period but no, I did not live in Oakridge Acres. I do however have some strong connections to this specific area. I like your colored boxes.....they make it very clear about the houses you are talking about. Just for accuracy you might want  to move the green box on Hazel Ave. The Jensen's house is difficult to see but it is the third one south from Riverside and is directly south of the house with the light colored roof. Jensen's must have had dark shingles. There are many people on this site who grew up closeby so it is only a matter of time before someone posts the occupant's names of the two houses in the valley of Hyde Park Sideroad.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: debbiec on May 25, 2015, 09:56:27 AM
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There are many people on this site who grew up closeby so it is only a matter of time before someone posts the occupant's names of the two houses in the valley of Hyde Park Sideroad.


Please send this information in a pm or email rather than posting these people's names on the site.

Thanks,
Debbie
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on May 27, 2015, 04:16:25 AM
Hello EJAY and thank you for your interest in Frankie's case.  It's always great to hear from new posters as I believe, there is absolutely someone out there who knows something and likely, this is our only hope for solving many of these cold cases.  As to the little old lady, the white house and the run down junkyard house, I remember the little old lady's house was at the bottom of the hill and the junkie one close to the top nearer Oxford St.  I think you may have these reversed.  You say in your post that you know the junkyard house and Saunders Autobody are connected somehow.  Could you please elaborate?  I do appreciate your input and yes, my sister remembers yours.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: elsie on June 24, 2015, 08:01:45 AM
Murder City: The Untold Story of Canada’s Serial Killer Capital, 1959-1984  by Michael Arntfield has been released.       Here is the website with information ---  murdercitythebook.com
It is a fascinating read.   FYI -- just to avoid internet confusion -- There is also another book titled Murder City  about murders in Mexico called -Murder City: Ciudad Juarez and the Global Economy's New Killing Fields.   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Gypsygirl on June 25, 2015, 06:55:51 PM
Hi everyone I am new to this site, but sadly not new to Frankie's story. I wish I could say that I have signed on because I have new information to share that would be helpful, but I do not. I do have many memories of that time. I was in Frankie's class at Westdale that year(and for the remainder of my elementary school history) so I guess you could say I have memories of many other events that year all surrounding Frankie's tragedy, some very distinct memories and some vague. Needless to say, as with all of you, I feel compelled to stay connected until the day they find who killed Frankie. I am very happy that Mike Arntfield's book is now published and am anxious to read it. Growing up in the area knowing of so many of the death's that Arntfield refers to, my family members  and I often discuss our own thoughts and theories about some of the unsolved murders. Mike Arntfield's series was very helpful in raising my awareness and I look forward to reading the book to read even more of his findings. I have read all of your posts from beginning to end and applaud all of you for your compassion for this case. I remember Frankie's shy somewhat cheeky smile :) My sister went to school with one of Frankie's sister's as well. Although briefly in the presence of any of Frankie's family members at school it was clear that Frankie was (and still is) dearly loved. Someone in a previous post spoke of the Robinson's. An unrelated memory is one of the Robinson boys brining their grey mare down to the dead end pathway of Quinton Rd where the woods began and some of us would ride it bareback down the path. If my mother ever knew I was doing that I would have been grounded for a year! I look forward to reading your posts and have hope that more will be found out to solve the case very soon.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on June 26, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Welcome to the site Gypsygirl. Your first post is awesome and heartbreaking at the same time given that you were in Frankie's class at Westdale. I can't imagine the impact that Frankie's loss had on your life. On the positive side you couldn't have picked a better moment to join this thread given the renewed focus on these crimes due to the publication of Mike A's book. Looking forward to your inputs in the weeks and months ahead.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on June 27, 2015, 07:38:56 AM
I'm so happy you found this Gypsygirl! I often wonder how this was for the friends and classmates of these children... at first the empty chair and then when they are found, the mindblowing reality that this is not turning out as everyone hoped. You lost a friend and I'm so sorry for that.

Did you walk the same path as Frankie when going to and from school? I understand what you mean by his grin... in the famous pic of him, you can almost hear the giggle and i love that. Please keep checking back and adding your memories
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Gypsygirl on June 27, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
Thank you and as well to factsfirst for the kind welcome. No I did not walk the same path as Frankie. I lived on the same street as the school which at the times was a dead end road as you all know and then to get to Hyde Park Rd. from there through the woods. Westdale was surrounded by woods behind it and people walked through it to Oakridge Secondary School and then of course the woods to the west that kids who lived where Frankie lived walked through. I would play in the woods as a child behind my friend's house on Valetta street and of course at the bottom of Salway St. Quinton Rd where there again was a path that led to Oakridge. I spent 5 years walking that path to Oakridge. I hesitate to elaborate on memories too much. This site is not about me and my memories of events as a child it is about Frankie. I could write for pages of my memories of that time, but nothing that I feel would enlighten anything to help the case. My brother is 4 years older than I am and he has quite a memory for those times and was well versed in the geography of the area. He had the freedom that I did not have at that time. He would play hockey on "Fergies Pond" with his friends and was all over that area with his friends. I was too young to be allowed such freedom. Of course with the murders happening one after the other around that time I was eventually extremely protected and had very minimal freedoms growing up. The philosophy back then was to keep as much information from your children as possible to protect them. But my friends and I as young as we were knew why our parents were suddenly extremely protective of our every move.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on June 27, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
There could be something in those memories that could help so don't hold back too much. :)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Gypsygirl on June 27, 2015, 04:52:10 PM
On page 16 people were wondering about pictures that were posted and where the police were looking. I can say for a fact in regards to the very last picture on that page that the police were walking in part of the area behind the houses on the north side of Valetta Street closer to the Salway end of Valetta. Directly behind my friends house on the north side of Valetta the woods were more dense, but as you moved further north (towards the back of Oakridge High School)it was much sparser such as the picture you see. The houses that you are looking at in that picture are some of the houses on Salway. These houses had next to no trees on their property so you see the back of some on the west side of Salway, but you can also see the houses on the east side of Salway. I can say this confidently because I still live in the house I grew up in when I went to school, and I drive by those very houses almost on a daily basis. If you took that picture with you in your car and drove down Salway today you would recognize the front of the houses on the east side of Salway.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on July 13, 2015, 12:31:00 PM
Today is a day no one else needs a mention other than Frankie. Today is the date he came into this world and made it a better place for nine years and seven months. A wonderful little soul that blessed family and friends with love, laughter and kindness. Happy Birthday sweet boy x
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on July 14, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
Happy Birthday Frankie! <3
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Gypsygirl on July 19, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
I am sorry I missed the post on the 13th! Happy Birthday Frankie. Truly a day to honour a sweet boy.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Dmr on August 19, 2015, 10:17:40 AM
hello I am new to this site, I attended Westdale school in Frankie Jensen's class when he disappeared.  I had just moved to the area with my family that summer and we lived on Cypress Ave, I believe 486 Cypress Ave., a split level that backed onto pretty dense woods at the time.  I remember bits and pieces of the event, hearing the news, seeing the searchers look behind our house, hearing my parents discuss the news in the paper and then finally the discovery of his body in the spring.  We were all affected then and to this day by the events of that winter.  The reason I am attempting to share today is that  I have never forgotten that event and want to let his family know that it has had a life long impact of loss, and made me a more protective parent and finally, I would like to see this mystery solved. 
I had an event happen to me that I never told anyone, and in fact just recently had a memory of that event so I was prompted to share this memory so that is what I am doing. I was walking one summer day in the woods behind my house and suddenly someone reached out and tried to grab me.  I looked to see naturally who it was and saw a man and he started chasing after me.  Well I ran like I have never ran before and never looked back until I got back to my home.  I did not tell anyone about my encounter and stayed out of the woods for the rest of that summer. 
The memory that came back to me recently is what he looked like and what he was wearing.. he was wearing a two piece lighter olive/khaki green, cotton outfit, long sleeved, buttoned shirt with matching pants, belted, work boots and maybe a white tshirt underneath.  He was 45-55, with thinning grey or white hair, but not balding, and was white, perhaps polish or English background with larger nose and very pale skin. He appeared quite strong although not overweight or tall, he appeared to be in good physical condition and could have caught me had he grasped me more firmly in the first attempt. 
He never spoke so I don't know how he sounded, but I remember the sound of him chasing after me to this day. 
I hope this post might help in some way towards finding a suspect in this case. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Declan on August 19, 2015, 12:32:43 PM
Hi DMR,

Thanks for adding to this site - and providing your memories.   Was the woods behind your house on the west side of Cypress?  Obviously that would have been a very frightening encounter....and there are few good reasons for grown men to be hiding out in such a woods and even few good reasons for them to be grabbing at a kid going by.    In summary, did you get the sense that the person was wearing a particular type of work outfit - such as a delivery person, or maybe someone involved in landscaping?  The buttoned shirt and matching pants, with white t-shirt and boots sounds like someone in an outdoors type of trade.   Do you happen to recall whether the person appeared "scruffy" or rather appeared to be someone who might have the outfit on as part of a current occupation.  This could be very helpful.    This must have terrified you.   Did this happen the first summer you lived there (before Frankie's abduction?). 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on August 19, 2015, 05:54:07 PM
Hi DMR ... first of all thank you so much for posting ... not only as a classmate of Frankie but as a survivor of an attempted abduction. That's something that stays with you forever. It all is. I often wonder how Frankie's friend coped after it all happened and worry what it did to them as adults.

I guess my questions mirror Declan's. Did the uniform look familiar? Patches on it or markings? Amazing how you were so scared to tell anyone but I was also chased as a 13 year old in the early 80s ... they were in a car and I just ran until my lungs were on fire and made it to a neighbour's back yard which thankfully was not fenced in. Checked to make sure they were gone and ran the rest of the houses (3) to my house and never told anyone. I think I was embarrassed for some reason. That's how I remember feeling. LIke I had done something when all I was doing is walking home for lunch
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on August 19, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
Quote DMR
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The memory that came back to me recently is what he looked like and what he was wearing.. he was wearing a two piece lighter olive/khaki green, cotton outfit, long sleeved, buttoned shirt with matching pants, belted, work boots and maybe a white tshirt underneath.

The outfit reminds me of a custodian outfit, perhaps a janitor, or grounds keeper.  One can still see them today.

jb
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on August 19, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Back in the late '70's, I worked for a construction company out west, the owner was also a farmer; he came in every day dressed in an outfit as Described above.
Wonder if that kind of dress is also popular with farmers.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on August 19, 2015, 11:15:50 PM
Quote DMR" He had very pale skin".   So to my mind that excludes grounds keeper, as his skin would be swarthy or tanned, I would think after being exposed to the elements.  Someone who had to wear an identifiable  outfit and worked in doors, could possibly fit a janitor of sorts.  I am thinking of a school janitor.  Someone who cleaned schools  or cleaned offices.
A "dream job", of a pedophile would be working cleaning hallways in an elementary school.
jb
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Declan on August 20, 2015, 07:00:45 AM
Very interesting to take note of DMR's scary experience and memories of the "stand out" features of the man hiding in the woods.  Although the memories would be going back almost a half-century, it is very notable that DMR describes a man wearing light green top and matching pants.   A "blue collar outfit" even though the colour was light green.  If you go back and look at entry #58 on this thread, you will find a very similar experience described by another young person living in this area, and specifically a scary incidence that unfolded in the same wooded area, and probably within the same year.    What stands out is the outfit: light green top(jacket) with matching green pants.  In both instances the man was hiding in the wooded area, and not simply strolling through it - ie. he was hiding and perhaps waiting.   Although some of the other described features vary between the two witnesses, perhaps this is to be expected over a half-century, and also it is unlikely that either of the attacked young people hung around to develop a thorough mental picture.  In Mike's book "Murder City" with respect to Frankie's abduction, the finger is pointed at a neighbour who worked as a traveling saleman for Acme Steel Company of Lambeth ; the Neighbour had a criminal history of exposing himself to children.  The latter aspect fits very well with the scenario of a man lurking in a wooded area, watching children from his "cover".  One assumes that the next step would either be exposing himself to these children, or attacking them in some way.   The specific area he may have been hiding in could also be where the "porn stash" was discovered by children in the area (including the stash that Frankie had stumbled across).   A traveling salesman is more likely to be wearing a different kind of outfit (for work), but this is not to say that his wardrobe would not include "work clothes" that he might use for other activities.  Dirt and other stains that might accumulate on these would not raise the suspicions of significant others because work clothes are expected to become dirty with various "stains" .   Additionally, the "Neighbour" lived close by to the wooded area where the "lurker" was noted, and could simply walk to this location - and if "caught" could simply explain his presence there because he lived nearby.  The Neighbour could have easily reached this specific woodlot described by DMR and within the entry #58 by crossing Riverside Drive from his house, thence walking east through the large gravel pit (undetected), then quickly crossing Hyde Park Road (at a location where he might be hidden from view), and then slip into the cover of the woodlot.  Reversing this, he could then also slip home undetected...perhaps gathering up some collectibles (who knows what one might scavenge from such an area) to explain to his wife what he had been up to.   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on August 20, 2015, 08:58:16 AM
My father was a teacher so at the time wore ties and sports jackets or suits to work. If he was at home he either wore a pants and shirt combo (never jeans) or if he was working around the house (which he usually was) he had a two piece outfit of shirt and pants that match. It seems to be the way things were then with a lot of men because my elderly uncle was and is the same. The outfit would resemble a jumpsuit of sorts. With no patches or id on the shirt part, what could it have been used for? I remember the custodians outfits in the 70s and 80s were an olive green pant with a striped shirt of a light green pinstriped with the darker olive green.

Could this have been his 'work around the house' outfit?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Dmr on August 20, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
In response to questions posed, the man appeared well groomed , hair parted and combed and nearly cut , shaved and green outfit was clean but not pressed. It appeared to be a  uniform that a janitor would wear at the time . There was no name badge that I could remember . Outfit  appeared quite soft like it had been worn for a while so cotton was softer , not stiff . I would say he was either going to work or had been at work . Il
I lived on the side of Cypress Ave that backed into the woods so i believe it was the west side . We lived there for four years only and I believe this encounter happened the summer following Frankie's abduction and murder . I would have been 10 years old that summer .
As kids we built forts in the woods and we would go out there and play and that day I happened to be alone for some reason , don't remember why .
Anyhow, hope that clarifies some questions . 
Still afraid to walk in the ravine by myself . Somethings never leave you .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on August 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
strangely enough, I was at the mall yesterday with my daughter and a man in that same kind of outfit was wandering around... harmless but the clothes really gave me the chills. I thought about it being a farmer for a moment but the clothes wouldn't be so clean then.

I am so sorry this  happened to you. I wonder who else had the same experience
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on August 22, 2015, 07:34:49 AM
Welcome to this board and thank you Dmr for your interest and input. It occurred to me that khakis and boots could also be military attire...regular day to day wear.  Do you, by any chance remember if the boots were black ?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Dmr on August 22, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Hi , I did not get an impression that it was military ...pants were loose at bottom and my I pressing is they were brown scuffed boots . Outfit was more olive green than army fatigue . Solid color . Long sleeved , rolled up with white , undershirt tshirt underneath .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: SAP on August 22, 2015, 05:30:29 PM
Scouts and Explorers wore that color uniform, and Explorers also had white issued T shirts. I don't know what age Explorers are but what happens to their uniforms when they leave their positions with the organization? Do their uniforms get packed to second hand shops where anyone can get their hands on them?
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on August 22, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
I am also thinking of prisoners on work duty.  But he would have had an escort. It is a "uniform' of some type. imo Custodian, janitorial, or perhaps a "short run" truck driver.  The whole name is in the back of my mind. - this uniform - but I can't bring it forward. It just won't come out.  Frustrating!!
Telephone repair men, electricians, pest control - they were quite popular. Although, these tradesmen would have an identifying tag on their shirts.

here is a green outfit - from industrial wear site.

http://www.gostwear.com/bill-long-sleeve-button-front-closure-work-shirt-p-437.html

AND http://www.gostwear.com/bill-westex-indura-regular-work-pant-p-569.html

I am thinking of this style shirt, only in green,
http://www.gostwear.com/bill-bill-cotton-industrial-work-shirt-p-486.html

Perhaps this colour green is the wrong colour?

Way back then, men could buy them at the army and navy store.

jb   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Dmr on August 22, 2015, 08:39:18 PM
http://www.behr.com/consumer_ca/ColorDetailView/M370-5
http://www.behr.com/consumer_ca/ColorDetailView/M380-5

These paint colors closer to what I remember more mossy than olive. The pockets were button down style and pants were baggy not slim , flat front, like they had been worn a lot. Sleeves were rolled up . Not short sleeved.

hopefully this memory helps trigger something with someone !
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on August 22, 2015, 09:51:09 PM
Those woods sound like they were teaming with these perverts which makes me wonder a few things... there must be many more people out there with these experiences? From what another poster said, the kids would report these men to the principal but of course when he went out there, they'd be gone or hiding. After a time, I imagine these kids would be written off as making it up or over reacting and no one comes out to check anymore. When did it stop? I don't think kids have any need to walk through the weird part of those woods now... what's left of it... on old Hyde Park Rd. I mean, I'm sure some do but it's not where they NEED to go. Was there more than one pervert (I'm thinking yes) and if so, they must have run into each other at some point. So what happens then? Two perverts run into each other in the woods ... both know what the other is up to... do they say anything to the other or compare sick notes? In a way they are bonded together sort of ...one can't rat the other out without ratting themselves out etc.   

This colour of pant and matching shirt doesn't have to mean it was worn for work ... wouldn't a work uniform have some kind of marking on it like "london board of ed'' for a custodian or a name or a company logo? This outfit brings to mind a professional man coming home from work and changing out of a suit or 'good clothes' to do odd jobs in the yard of home to me. At any rate... I think there are more near victims out there and victims who were much luckier than poor Frankie
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: PandaBearKitty on August 22, 2015, 10:41:47 PM
The descriptions of the work clothes is bothering me.   I think the style/colour was fairly commonly used for work clothes in those years.   Mechanics, truck drivers etc etc etc   My dad was a heavy duty diesel mechanic and I remember him wearing them.    This picture is the closest I could find to what I recall my dad wearing when I was a child.   They call them industrial clothes these days.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Dmr on August 23, 2015, 10:34:33 PM
Hi Pandabearkitty, yes the pant style is good but Colour a little too dark , and of course new looking. I don't remember any men I knew wearing those types of clothes except janitors at that time.  what other facilities or hospitals or large institutions were in the area ? 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on August 24, 2015, 06:21:06 AM
There was also a Bell Station nearby at Oxford and Hyde Park. Its still there. Clara Benton was there as well.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Declan on August 24, 2015, 09:20:55 AM
As chickapey pointed out, it is quite possible that the green outfit does not point to a particular trade or occupation and could simply have been worn by someone working on their yard, or garage workshop etc.   On the other hand, if the incidents happened on days in the middle of the work-week and during normal working hours, it might push the needle towards someone who wore the outfit as part of their job - and perhaps they had opportunity to be in this area for reasons connected to their trade.  The area has several schools (and thus janitors).  Additionally, as noted on the map of Frankie's route, there was a PUC utility building immediately to the north of the laneway & pathway.  Thirdly, (and I am unsure of the exact time-line), there was the gravel pit on Hyde Park Road in the immediate area (across the road) that was converted into a landfill.  In either of its roles (gravel pit or landfill) workers there could be wearing the work clothes described. 

The laneway that was immediately to the north of the pathway used by the kids seems especially worth further consideration.  As described variously on these threads, the laneway has not yet been described as a typical "lovers lane", but rather as a lane that appeared to attract creepy men in cars....perhaps an alternate venue to Victoria Park.   I think areas of nearby Sifton (Byron) Bog were also used for these sorts of activities.  If so, it is particularly saddening that the many complaints and incidents described by children in this area were written off as simply products of imagination.   
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on August 24, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
We lived on Hyde Park Rd right across the street from the main entrance to the gravel pit at that time.  This was the entrance closest to Riverside Dr.   If memory serves me correctly, the pit was closed down during the winter months, or had very little activity.  Remember this as we used to sneak in there and play in the snowdrifts off the hills.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on August 24, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
crazycat58, you must have vivid recollections of the way this area looked prior to the "diversion" of the Hyde Park Sideroad and the filling in of the gulley. I am assuming from your name that you are close to Frankie in age. Do you have any specific recollections of the first small pathway, identified as a "laneway where creeps drove in and hid" and which is clearly visible on the aerial photo on Reply #290 on page 20 of this thread? I went down there for a walk the other day and, even now, it can be emotional visiting "Fergie's Pond" and walking up the old roadway to the P.U.C. pumpstation. You can't escape the feeling that something very bad happened there. I agree with Declan that every bit of information that we could know about that path is a step in the right direction. Almost by accident it looks like there is a car parked at the end of that crooked laneway if you zoom into the December 17th, 1967 aerial.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: crazycat58 on August 25, 2015, 08:44:51 AM
Unfortunately my memories are not as vivid as someone who lived there for years after that tragic day.  Our family ended up spending the majority of the next several years living in Florida.  I do remember the paths and lanes though.  The path we took to walk to school was directly after the enclosure for the horses that was the last house in the grouping on Hyde Park.  We walked up an embankment then through the path with descriptions the same as others have posted here.  On the same side of the road up a bit further was what I believe you are calling the "laneway" was more of an area to pull into while being parallel to the road.  I don't have specific memories of it being a lane.  That is the area where the "dirty white" car was parked along the side of Hyde Park that we saw and reported while we were walking to school the morning that Frankie disappeared.  On the opposite side of Hyde Park in that similar vicinity was what I remember being a road to the pits that was blocked for no entry.  As to the old roadway for the pumpstation and Fergie's pond, I remember them being there, but can't honestly say anything about the demographics as I don't remember being there.  We first left the area in 1969-70, and as we weren't there for any extended lengths of time after that I unfortunately don't have the years of being there to help bring back many more memories.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on August 25, 2015, 07:39:56 PM
Green Shirt, green pants and green hat.  Could it be drab olive green? There was an Army Base in London Ontario at the time.  This outfit described by a poster, is similar to outfits worn by those in the lower ranks.

The hat was pillbox at the top with a peak at the front.

Oddly, I cannot locate an image of this uniform.

While I am a military brat, (airforce), I had occasion to be on an army base, and would see them all of the time, coming and going about their business on an army base, CFB Griesbach (now defunct) situated in Edmonton at that time.

I may be confused, as I have also been on an American base, but I definitely did see this army uniform (s) - plain shirt, and plain pants with the hat of which I have described.

I was never in London.

Anyhow, it is possibly army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_London

jb

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 01, 2015, 08:27:44 PM
We lived on Hyde Park Rd right across the street from the main entrance to the gravel pit at that time.  This was the entrance closest to Riverside Dr.   If memory serves me correctly, the pit was closed down during the winter months, or had very little activity.  Remember this as we used to sneak in there and play in the snowdrifts off the hills.
  I just located this site. It brings back some not so pleasant memories. In 1968 I was a kid that was a student at Westdale Public School. The world of innocence ended for us kids back then. We always played in the woods that back onto Westdale and Oakridge.

Hearing the name Fergies Pond is astounding.  If my memory serves me right there were 5 trails made throughout the woods so we kids could walk to school.

The first trail started at the west end of Quinton and Salway. This was a dead end road area.  The next trail ran north and south behind the houses on Larkspur Cres, it then hooked up a hill west towards Westdale. This trail and the one from Quiton met up by a large old Oak tree about 100 feet east of Westdale.  The continued onto the school grounds by the baseball diamond.

The third trail ran south from the south end of Oakridges quarter mile track. It came out down by the shop class room . Another path ran from this corner of Westdale and connected to the south east corner of Oxford and Hyde Park Rd.  the kids from Oakridge used this trail as partof the cross country run. This was the 4th trail.

The fifth trail ran west from the dead end at Valetta .It ran west towards Hyde Park.  It came out by some PUC building.  Off to the north of this trail was Fergies Pond.

This is where things get rather spookie. I remember one of my buddies telling me that area of the woods by Fergies Pond is a bad area.  This memory is now almost 50 years old.  It was something about some guy who yells at kids from the bush scaring them.

I never experienced this, though we did find in the area some old torn Playboy book pages. This must have been about 1967 . The reason I believe this was the year, we kids painted a map of Canada on the play ground.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 01, 2015, 09:19:10 PM
Thanks so much for posting these Rkay.  The gentleman with police is not P.L. Pickles.  Could it be Det. Alsop?

The police officer in the last photo, is Staff Sergeant Shipley. He would later become , years later, Chief of Police for London Police.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 01, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
Green Shirt, green pants and green hat.  Could it be drab olive green? There was an Army Base in London Ontario at the time.  This outfit described by a poster, is similar to outfits worn by those in the lower ranks.

The hat was pillbox at the top with a peak at the front.

Oddly, I cannot locate an image of this uniform.

While I am a military brat, (airforce), I had occasion to be on an army base, and would see them all of the time, coming and going about their business on an army base, CFB Griesbach (now defunct) situated in Edmonton at that time.

There were three gas stations at Oxford and Hyde Park.  The Texeco was at the north west corner. They wore green pants and shirts. Texeco green, later they went to tan shirts but kept the green pants. Those US military caps sound like the ones worn by pump jockeys.  There was a Shell on the southwest and I believe a WhiteRose on the north east corner.

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I may be confused, as I have also been on an American base, but I definitely did see this army uniform (s) - plain shirt, and plain pants with the hat of which I have described.

I was never in London.

Anyhow, it is possibly army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_London

jb

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Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on September 02, 2015, 03:51:30 AM
Welcome and thank you for joining the conversation Bucky.  Your memory certainly serves you well, in fact I'd say it's photographic with regard to the layout of the trails surrounding Westdale and Oakridge.  I walked those paths again as I read your comments.  The green work clothes do indeed resemble the uniform that gas station attendants wore at that time.  The identification of Staff Sargent Shipley is also important to these investigations. It is wonderful to know the names of all the people in these historical photos...people who helped, and people like you who come forward with remembrance.  Please continue to share your thoughts.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 02, 2015, 07:42:13 AM
This case haunted me as a child. I was a kid then. I remember the foot search of the area , as my Dad and I walked many search lines with the police.  I was in Mr Pickles class in 1968 . My grade 8 year. 

The woods around the school were the play ground for many of the kids. The trails were faster to walk then bicycling all around the streets to get to school.  We got to know the area well , as there were tree forts, wild strawberries and crab apples.

The area by Fergies Pond as I remember was surrounded by large growths of thorn bushes , huge dense bushes. You really had to know the area and pathways.  In order to get into the pond.

The pond was used by either high school kids under age drinking or some odd adults drinking in the bush. As the area was littered with empty booze bottles .  Not a lot but enough to make you notice.

I remember Hyde Park Road was a straight north south  road.  Running between Riverside Dr and Oxford Street. Where Hyde Parked dipped into the low area , there was an old white house on the west side of the road. A single old lady lived there.  She backed onto the Byron Bog.  I think her name was Miss Smith but I am not totally sure. I memory serves me right she was what they use to call a Spinster. Not politically correct. 

One thing I remember from Westdale is all the safety stuff that was taught. The stop drop and roll  for fires ,but more importantly , don't talk to strangers , getting into strangers cars was bad. Then the trick or treating cautions about stuff in homemade candies. 

As a kid back then, I remember thinking , Frankie  must have known the person and taken a ride to get out of the weather.  As again thinking like a kid from back then, no adult is going to catch a kid running in that bush. We knew the area well and knew the paths and opening through the thorn bushes were real small.. Tight areas for an adult to go through.

The interaction between the police and us kids back then was good. In fact many of us became police officers later in life because of this situation.  Most now have long since retired.

The fellow walking beside S/Sgt Shipley looks like the late Deputy Chief Fred Bruce. No doubt an Inspector or Superindent rank back in 1968 .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 02, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Does anyone else remember the search parties taking the neighbourhood kids with them to show them the forts and treeforts to search in?  I seem to remember something of the sort, which goes along with it not being treated immediately as an abduction.

I remember the police search. I was 13 in 1968. Grade 8 in Mr Pickles class. If memory serves me right they expanded the search area days later.  For some reason I remember being at Wonderland Gardens, and walking the field areas from Springbank Drive up to Commissioners Rd with the police. If I recall there were a lot of Dads with their kids walking lines looking for anything.

The area had expanded to Byron and east.  I remember telling Mr Pickles about tree forts, As most of the forts were up in old oak trees surrounded by large growths of thorn bushes. It seemed like every block of kids back then had their own set of forts and territory.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on September 03, 2015, 03:24:05 AM
I was 16 when Frankie was taken.  Though the concentration was on the field and trails surrounding the school that first day, you are correct, the search radiated out the following days.  It is believed that Frankie got into a car on Hyde Park Rd. and it is my belief that he was forced.  Frankie would not take a ride with a stranger. 
I had Mr. Pickles for grade 8 too.  I don't recall ever seeing him out on searches.  I've studied the pictures posted here and I don't see him.  I do remember seeing lots of fathers out with their kids searching alongside the police for days on end.  That was a time of tree forts and lean-tos, staying out till dark, fishing and building fires at the riverbank....an idyllic time that came to a sudden halt.  I remember skating on Fergies pond and some of the older boys playing hockey there.  The interaction between kids and police at that time was good...we respected, and had a healthy fear of the police...you didn't want them to show up at your door but you knew that they were your friend if you needed them.  Thanks again Bucky.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 03, 2015, 01:52:54 PM
The age of innocence left in the time around 1968 .  Before the murders in west London . We never locked our doors.  After we kids had to have house keys.

No adults talked to us kids about the news. They all seemed to talk in hushed silence, no one mentioned serial killer. My guess they didn't know the term.

Most of the parents on Larkspur were survivors of the Second World War.  Either as kids in Britain or Europe who arrived after the war. Or like my dad a veteran RCAF  1939. -1945.  Though death was no stranger to many of them, the murders upset them.  Ages 30 to 45 as parents.

I guess that's where all the fort building started from.  Cub Scouts , Scouts, Army Cadets. 

Very sorry for your loss. I remember meeting once a sister of Frankie's . Her name was Pia. She was a little older than I was, I felt so sad for her and her family. It bothered lots of us as he was a student at Westdale.

Your right Mr Pickles didn't t go on any searches.  I think my dad told me that he meaning Mr Pickles had some heart issues. The stress of this missing child must have exacerbated his condition.

A strange but odd coincidence.  The area where Frankie was found and where the Leishman boy went missing. The land north of the bridge over the Thames river . Was where the Number 9 Army Cadet Corps camped.  I know this as in I think it was 1969 or 1970 we had pitched tents , and did outdoor training .  Lots of 14 to 16 year old guys there from Oakridge Secondary School.

The area must have been know and surveyed by a member of the Cadet Service of Canada officers Cadre. Before the Federal Governmnt would allow military equipment on that area of land. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 04, 2015, 02:41:48 PM
Good Morning Chickapey and Foghorn
As I've stated, Frankie would never have gone willingly with a stranger and I believe he must have been forced into a car.  I doubt that a woman in the vehicle would have made a difference unless she was someone he knew.   At this point, I'd say anything is possible and all avenues should be explored...what is there to lose?  Again, many thanks to all of you for attacking these cases from every angle.

I had to do some serious deep thinking about those times at Westdale.  In 1962 I started grade 2 moving into the area. The right of passage was being shown the trails that lead to Westdale by all the other kids. Very few adults would have lnown about all the trails.

As the years rolled by we all heard about a peeping Tom  in the woods .  Though I never saw him. 

There was almost a dividing line of territory. The kids that lived east of the school hardly ever went west past the school towards Hyde Park.  They use to say you would get roughed up by big kids at Fergies Pond. It was almost a right of passage when you were old enough to catch tad poles at Fergies Pond.

Getting into a strangers car would be a huge NO for us back then.  It was drummed into our heads don't talk to strangers.  Here though is the issue. A lot of us respected someone in a uniform. Like a postal worker , custodian, as we saw them in our schools all the time. A false sense of security.

Oakridge Acres and the surrounding area was a confusing labyrinth of streets. I remember a fire truck getting lost trying to find a house. So who ever was in the area bent on this evil, must have known the area, from residing in or stalking out the area. Who else would have known the trails kids took to School.

The Army Cadets used the area at the junction of Valley View Rd and Thorndale Rd 28 for camping and training.

This area is in the middle of no where hence the use for the military. Unless you resided in the area how on earth would you know where to drop off FJ.  Unless you as a serial killer had taken time to survey disposal areas. 

Which makes me think , in a farm community wouldn't someone notice a strange vehicle.  As kids we noticed other parents cars and that was in a subdivision full of vehicles.

The one thing I keep flashing back to , and it could be my memory playing tricks. Is a white Plymouth fury 4door. I have no idea as to why though.  I  never at age 13 hung in the Hyde Park area. But for some reason I'm thinking the parking lot at the Oakridge Arena.  I was into building model cars and planes as a kid, and will confess I had a huge Match Box collection of cars. I was a stickler for detail , I think it annoyed some people, Hey that's a Fairlane, that's a Galaxy, or that is an Impala.

I wish I could help more .

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on September 04, 2015, 05:49:39 PM
Bucky you are of huge help. You knew the area back then and the little laws of the kids ... anything could be the trigger to be a bigger clue.

Kids knew about the trails but if adults were sneaking around looking for kids I'd think they'd follow their trails and get to know them too. They'd have a good idea of their bearings as well. I keep wondering if there was some kind of porn ring or rings going on. If it can happen at Stanley Variety, it could happen in the new neighbourhoods of professionals too.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on September 04, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
Thanks for your posts Bucky. You obviously have first hand knowledge of the area and your descriptions are awesome. When this crime is finally solved I believe there will be some connection as to why Frankie was found in Thorndale. Whether it is some relation to the campsite operated by the folks who ran CPRI, the military training facility, the connection to the murder of Thorndale's Scott Leishman, the new information in Arntfield's book about Frankie's lunch pail and trousers or the fact that it is highly likely that the murderer was familiar with this area, I think that there is a reason that this was not just a random site. 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Bucky on September 05, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
Thank you fact first. I have ordered a copy of Dr Arntfields book.  As stated earlier I was 13 to 15 years of age during this horrific time.

As an adult now looking back. I fully agree there is evidence pointing to serial murders in the London area.

What I sense about the investigations .  Is best stated by the scene in Jaws , when the Mayor wants the shark information down played.  The notion of nothing happens in London . A safe community , quiet etc.

The idea of a group of very evil murderers walking the streets daily , watching  citizens. Not good for public relations for the City of London.

The fact that Detective Alsop kept a private cache of information , I believe supports my opinion. 

The irony, I believe many suspected a serial killer, but stuck their head in the sand.  These were different times. I believe if someone suggested numerous serial killers at work . The investigator may well have been viewed as paranoid.

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Thank goodness for the Internet and these types of  forums.  The victims deserve justice as do their families.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on September 08, 2015, 04:45:03 AM
A white Plymouth fury 4 door at the Oakridge arena could be a huge clue Bucky...you never know!  People like yourself, who really knew cars, are exactly what this forum and the police need.  Please keep mining that memory.
Dr. Arntfield's book is certainly an eye opener...it's also a great educational tool.  I  hope it continues to sell well and am so grateful to Dennis Alsop Jr.  for having the courage to share his Fathers original notes and documentation on many of these cases.  Detective Alsop was a very brave man, intent on solving these heinous crimes with or without the assistance of the OPP.  Armed with his journals, the basis of Dr. Arntfield's book,  and current investigative techniques,  Detective Alsop finally has a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on October 16, 2015, 04:05:42 AM
Good Morning Billy Jean and welcome to unsolved Canada.  You have read Dr. Arntfield's book based on specific details of Detective Alsop's investigations into many local cases.  Murder City deals specifically with serial killers in London during this time and therefore all input is vital.  I recommend that you contact Dr. Arntfield, Crime Stoppers (which you can do anonymously), or the OPP if you feel you can help with these investigations.  If you would like a contact name at the OPP, please message me .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2016, 10:24:28 AM
Thinking of the Jensen family today & remembering Frankie always.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2016, 11:10:01 AM
You sweet boy. There is so much to thank you for. You are never forgotten x
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on February 09, 2016, 06:06:29 PM
Remembering Frankie today! 48 years is a long time!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2016, 06:18:27 PM
Yes Sunshine31, 48 years is a long time but Frankie will always be remembered.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 09, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
I am so grateful for all of you... those who knew Frankie and those who've come to know him through these pages.
Thank you for always remembering our little brother and the beautiful tributes you send our way each year.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on February 10, 2016, 07:45:51 PM
Yes factsfirst, you are right, Frankie will always be remembered.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Mickeygirly@ymail.com on March 01, 2016, 07:22:26 PM
I just had to post.  I found out about the book murder City when I was looking up the latest missing girl in London.  I ordered the book online and had it read in a few days.  I was shocked at all of the murders in the city I grew up in.  I had no idea!  But this thread - this thread helped me to make sense of a few things. 
When I was born in 1965 I lived on Oban Crescent in Oakridge Acres.  I don't remember much of that house because we moved in 1970 to close to St Joes hospital and I remember my parents saying they felt safer.  There was never any mention of murdered children or teens in my house.  When I was in kindergarten I stayed late one evening after school and played in the school yard one January evening.  We stayed till almost dark and when I got home my parents were frantic.  The police were called prior to my return home.  My mom made me walk up and down the street twice when I got home so all the neighbors could see me.  They said there were people out in cars looking for me so I had to stay out for about a half hour with my mom.  Even then no one mentioned any murders but I remember the look on my parents face when I got home and they were scared and you could see the relief on their faces.  I was only five but I remember it so clearly and at the time could not understand why they were acting the way they were.  I think I know why now.  I will continue to read all of these threads and if I have any input - I will share - more importantly I will help to get the word out about this site.  I am so sorry about all the pain and shocked to learn about the evil that resided and may still reside in my home town.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sunshine31 on July 13, 2016, 09:47:44 PM
Happy Birthday Frankie.....You are not forgotten! 
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on July 18, 2016, 06:35:26 AM
Thank you Sunshine31...you make me smile
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2017, 08:39:17 AM
Remembering Frankie today & thinking of his family. Another year!
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
You dear little boy, so many people are thinking of you today and the love you generate is incredible. You will never be forgotten.  Thank you for guarding all our children

Much love and yellow light to the Jensen family and Frankie's friends
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2017, 10:41:35 AM
I just returned from making my fifth annual personal "Frankie's walk" from St. Anthony's Road and Hyde Park to Westdale school and back. Appropriately a  very cold morning, especially on the way there, into a brisk north-west wind but not as bitter as the day Frankie disappeared. My thoughts are always with the family as I walk and may Frankie rest in peace. His life was short but filled with fun and the love of his family.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: lostlinganer on February 09, 2017, 10:43:26 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2017, 04:33:00 PM
You never forget to walk with him, Facts ... thank you
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Concerned on February 09, 2017, 08:52:43 PM
Frankie, I wish we could have written your story differently. I wish we were a society that would never have missing children. I wish you were never amongst the missing. You make me want to try harder to find the answer to so many unanswered questions so we can ensure no one else goes missing and we could somehow bring you home from wherever it is you are. If only you could show us the way, somehow.

Hugs to you, Frankie.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2017, 06:50:44 AM
Frankie is always with us...and with you.  Another year has passed and your remembrance of him, all the things you do in his honour are greatly appreciated.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on February 10, 2017, 09:59:44 PM
Whomever did this evil thing, is probably no longer living..... May have served time in prison for other offenses.  No doubt he has met his Maker.

Children are the most treasured little people in our society.
It makes me sick to think of beautiful little Frankie losing his life to such a monster.

Monsters are still out there, preying on our children.

I would hope that perhaps society is more aware --- perhaps we are no longer lulled into safety, security, and same routine of life in the belief that nothing can touch our families - least of all our beautiful little boy, or pretty daughter that we send off to school each day.

Not ever thought of within the secure loving and  close family culture of 1968!!

Horrible - that the Jensen's are living without any answers in 
2017.

Peace and deepest respect to the Jensen Family for all that they have endured.

JB
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 12, 2017, 06:26:53 AM
Thank you for remembering Frankie Jellybean..I suspect you're right.  Family is all important, it is the fabric of our lives, a safe and enduring place....it is home and everything we love in life.  I remind myself that even monsters have families...families who know, and that too must be a tremendous burden.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on February 12, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
Jensen' 
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I remind myself that even monsters have families...families who know, and that too must be a tremendous burden.

How very special and  kind of you to think about the Monster's possible family.
In my own humble opinion, I believe that this monster also abused his own children, and wife.

Family is everything, and I doubt that this monster came from a healthy one, perhaps he was horribly abused in his childhood and the sickness lived on.

No sympathy from me.  If what I believe, as above.  These abuses were done behind closed homes, children had no one to turn to and endured abuse.  No one ever spoke of it in 1968.

Many such topics were taboo.

A child would feel shame and hide it from their friends, if they had any, or were allowed to have any.

We lived in a world of "Father Knows Best" and "Leave it to Beaver"

It was all very soothing, and to a good extent true, but then there was another element of society that hit families with such a shock and disbelief.

Children were allowed to go to city parks, playgrounds, stay outside until suppertime, and then be home at 7pm to  have family time, and then be bathed and tucked into bed.

Now, we have to watch our children....Keep them busy in paid and structured programs, accompanied by their parents..... sigh.

JB

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 13, 2017, 07:46:41 AM
Again, Jellybean, I agree with you.  Certainly there are many families who have themselves been abused by their monsters.  I don't however, think it applies to all murderers and serial killers.  We've often read about these types being found out and family, friends, co-workers and neighbors are shocked. Some are clever enough to hide their crimes from those closest. Then there are families that know and lie to themselves.  Perhaps the monster has been arrested on lesser charges and the family chooses to believe that is all he's capable of.  In reading about various paraphilia we know that there are stepping stones and often clues, either recognized or ignored, to the making of a murderer.
Sometimes, in order to protect their own, it's easier to lie and move on.  Selfish?  Yes... absolutely... particularly when dealing with a serial killer.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: haithabu on April 18, 2017, 10:31:05 AM
I stumbled across this site from Google after participating in a comment thread about the Aboriginal Missing Women Inquiry which brought up memories....

I was in Grade 7 at Westdale at the time that Frankie Jensen went missing (we lived on Hibiscus Avenue). I don't have any conscious memory of Frankie (when you are that age the kids from 3 grades younger are kind of below your notice unless one of them is your sibling.) I used to play around Fergie's pond in the summer and hunt for fossils in the gravel pit. It was very dense and brushy behind the school and around the pond but I had no qualms about it at the time. Afterwards though, Frankie's fate was always in my mind and I used to go to a certain state of alertness whenever I went through the area.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on July 13, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
Sunshine31 remembered Frankie's birthday last year and I am privileged to post it this year. Frankie would have been 58 today and who knows what he might have accomplished in his career. I am sure he would have been great at whatever he chose to do. There is no doubt that he would have had a fantastic  family life given the environment that he grew up in.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on July 15, 2017, 08:12:31 AM
Thanks Factsfirst for remembering our brother again this year...you're right, he'd be 58 and we've never let him go.  He's  the thread that's bound our family tight and for that, I'm very grateful.  Again, you've put a smile on my face. :)
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on July 18, 2017, 06:23:42 AM
belated birthday happiness to Frankie. I do wonder what kind of adventures he would have taken as an adult but at the same time, I strongly believe he is still making things happen for the good from the other side. Someone with a spirit that kind and special can't just be idle. He's bigger than that.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on July 18, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
It goes without saying how much Frankie means to me personally. For these past years, when I closed my eyes, I often saw his sweet image from a cherished photograph. I feel I can speak on behalf of the London Crew, to say that we have some peace of mind in knowing who the likely killer was. How can a person ever thank Dennis Alsop Sr. and Jr. for their dedication to these unsolved London cases?

The "Crew" is silent now, but Frankie has forever changed our lives. For me, it started as a nightmare which transformed into hope for the the other unsolved cases. Never give up, regardless of the OPP or London Police trying to shut you down.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jellybean on July 19, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
A white car has been mentioned on this site, a number of times by various past citizens.

Why didn't the parents, the school and  police listen to the children?
Today, hopefully, children would be listened to -
jb
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on July 20, 2017, 03:26:12 AM
Thank you Have Faith and Jellybean...it was both an invigorating and frustrating ride to get back to Det. Bob Young's comment to Mom on the day Frankie was buried...that day, Det. Alsop had his man and Mom could see his house from our kitchen window.  All the hours you invested ultimately brought us back to Dennis Jr and the answer his Father had all along...we had a name and with that, a sense of peace.  We never would have gotten there without The Crew....a thousand times Thank You .
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on July 20, 2017, 06:40:21 PM
Thank you jensen. I guess what you are saying is that this case is closed to the satisfaction of the family and that is enough for me to consider it closed for everyone......myself included. Your family is so strong as to use this event in the most positive way possible and that is a credit to all, especially Frank Jensen Sr. and Frankie's mom. I won't post again on any evidence in this case but I will probably still make "Frankie's Walk" every year. Thanks.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on July 21, 2017, 06:42:49 AM
Thank you FactsFirst for your kind words and for walking Frankie's walk.  Though we have found a measure of peace via the Alsop family, it is important to remember that this is a serial killer....one of several that plagued London at that time. Please continue to dig...you might just find the answer for the others.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 08, 2018, 07:55:53 PM
A bit early but I wanted to come back to the space we all share and say how much you continue to give us all, Frankie. You have been on another level for fifty years now but you continue to guide and arrange things to happen. You have touched thousands of lives for the better and you will shine forever. I wish more people could have met you because they would have been better for it but sometimes evil has a way of changing what should have been but you are and always will  be a strong force. x
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Have faith on February 08, 2018, 09:13:23 PM
Beautifully spoken Chick.  I will be thinking of Frankie and his wonderful family, as I often do.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
Thinking of the Jensen family today & always remembering Frankie. x
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2018, 11:34:10 AM
Just got back from making my annual "Frankie's Walk", a half century after his disappearance. I always park my car just off St. Anthony Road, near the site of the Little's old barn and walk up to Westdale school and back. A bit snowy and breezy this morning but nowhere near as cold as it was the day Frankie disappeared. A lot has changed on the landscape of this area in fifty years but the beautiful oak trees remain. At this point the walk is just a way to make sure that Frankie is always remembered and to celebrate the positve impact of his short life on his family, friends and many others everywhere.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: debbiec on February 09, 2018, 12:43:31 PM
A bit early but I wanted to come back to the space we all share and say how much you continue to give us all, Frankie. You have been on another level for fifty years now but you continue to guide and arrange things to happen. You have touched thousands of lives for the better and you will shine forever. I wish more people could have met you because they would have been better for it but sometimes evil has a way of changing what should have been but you are and always will  be a strong force. x

Reading this post I am reminded of the way Frankie has helped bring so many people together. In part, he is why 'the crew' exists. It was wonderful to see such a dedicated group working together tirelessly, respectfully, and listening to one another, while never losing sight of their goals. I'm glad that in the end, it brought some amount of closure for those of you (and others) who worked so hard in finding the answers on so many cases. At times, even though the truth is what we seek, it isn't always easy when it comes.

I've watched on, reading everything that has been written by all of you, and admiring the tenacity and dedication, of each of you. You have been an inspiration to many, including myself.

Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
Facts First... I knew you wouldn't forget and would walk with Frankie. You never fail to do his walk.

debbiec Frankie really has brought a lot of people together. We may be quieter now beause we have come to a pause in what we can gleen from news paper articles and so on but this is why we can't forget any of our kids and your ladies. .. the more we remind people, the more likely it is that someone will see a post about it and feel that twinge of guilt that they know something and finally talk. It will only take one person and I'm willing to wait and  make sure no one forgets the names and it's something to pass down to the next generation to do too. I wonder how many lives Frankie saved by inspiring Block Parents. Impossible to tell but I'm willing to bet its thousands in London alone. What a legacy
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 10, 2018, 06:33:51 AM
chickapey, Have faith, facts first, Jesa and DebbieC, 50 years have passed but that day is still fresh in my mind.  We are so lucky to have all of you working on our family's behalf.  You have made this long road easier and I know the diligence and analytical skills you've brought to Frankie's case are being utilized to the benefit of families like ours.  A simple thank you can't cover the gratitude we have for your hard work and unsolved canada for bringing us together.  facts first, I am so touched that you continue Frankie's walk.  When I spoke with Mom yesterday she said it was exactly the same grey cold day as when they waved their last good-bye.  So grateful that you continue to give me words and stories I can pass on to remind her that Frankie will never be forgotten. Much Love to all.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: debbiec on February 10, 2018, 12:25:45 PM
from chickapey:
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Facts First... I knew you wouldn't forget and would walk with Frankie. You never fail to do his walk.

from Jensen:
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facts first, I am so touched that you continue Frankie's walk.  When I spoke with Mom yesterday she said it was exactly the same grey cold day as when they waved their last good-bye.  So grateful that you continue to give me words and stories I can pass on to remind her that Frankie will never be forgotten.

factsfirst, bless your heart for faithfully doing Frankie's walk. It truly is a labour of love.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Sap1 on February 10, 2018, 01:12:44 PM
I am also very touched when I read here. Frankie is so loved and you are all a wonderful group in keeping his spirit alive. I`m sure he is smiling down at all of you. Hugs to all.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 09, 2019, 11:04:06 AM
Another February 9 rolls around and still no answers for this sweet boy.

One thing to his killer or to who knows who killed him... we will never forget. I will charge my own children to never forget. We will never stop looking for answers even if this board is quiet. Frankie was everything you could never be and he will never be forgotten. You may have taken away his life here but you will suffer for eternity where you are going
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: factsfirst on February 09, 2019, 12:03:12 PM
Went for my seventh annual "Frankies Walk" this morning. Left from the former site of "Little's Barn" on St. Anthony Road at 8:15am. It was chilly at minus eleven but the bitter wind from the Northwest made it feel much colder. Because it is Saturday and the school is deserted, I walked right up to the front door of Westdale and then back down Hyde Park to my parking spot on St. Anthony Road. At this point it is not so much about hoping that justice will be done, although obviously that would be ideal. The chances of solving the murders of young Londoners from a half century ago grow dimmer each year. What does not diminish however is the importance of keeping the memories of these young people alive so that the families know that they will never be forgotten.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: Jesa on February 09, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
Frankie is remembered not only today but always. My thoughts are with his family …..may they know Frankie will never be forgotten. xx
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jensen on February 13, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
Jess, Chick, and Facts...Once again, thank you all for your loyalty, determination, and caring...Frankie is not forgotten because of people like you.  XOXO from our family to yours
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: chickapey on February 15, 2019, 12:35:39 AM
another murder solved in the US thanks to a deathbed confession. This one dating back to 1973. Nothing is impossible.
Title: Re: Frankie Jensen - London, ON - Murdered - 1968
Post by: jobo on February 16, 2019, 04:43:32 AM
Right on, chickapey....look at this latest arrest in Kingston..(murder of Henrietta Knight)
Murders dating back to 1995.