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Title: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Angela Ellis on August 28, 2007, 09:08:50 AM
1969 ? Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, of London, disappeared from his
Piccadilly Street home June 7. His body was found in a woodlot in London
Township, six kilometres from his home. Police could not determine the cause of
death and there was no evidence of sexual assault.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 16, 2010, 04:40:22 PM
Gibbons - do you have a more detailed location where Robert was found?  It seems it might have been west of London - initially I thought the location was towards Thorndale.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 17, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
Des - looking for location info on Robert Bruce Stapylton not Frankie Jensen.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 17, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
Any ideas on where the woodlot was?  It seems to have been west of London - looking for road coordinates etc.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 20, 2010, 12:57:22 PM
It has been difficult to find the borders of what was once London Township on-line, but I'm pretty sure it was north and west of the City of London.  One clue (small as it is) London Township had numbered concessions many years ago - for this post I am going with they are now Eight Mile Road, Nine Mile Road etc.  Below eight, the streets have different names today.

Taking a random point on Piccadilly Road, 6 km's could take you to the south end of Fanshawe Lake where a rail line swings towards the lake after passing the airport.  One could also get to the little hamlet of Hyde Park, where 2 rail lines converge then branch out in different directions.

Surely the London Free Press carried this story.  A trip to a library that carries LFP past issues would be great -their on-line archives cost $10.00 per article.  Idiots.

While looking at the google earth map of Hyde Park I noticed a coincidence.  Due south of Hyde Park 'as the crow flies' is the entrance to the school where Jacqueline Dunleavy was found.  The line could not be more straight.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 22, 2010, 06:29:43 PM
Piccadilly Street is the reference I have used for an address for Robert.

Why would it be 'very strange' if he was found in the Hyde Park area?  It seems to have been part of London Township.

My local library cannot obtain past editions of the London Free Press.  LFP does not seem to share well with others.  Maybe the Waterloo (or Kitchener-Waterloo) Record carried the story.  Will check.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on June 23, 2010, 08:52:01 AM
It would be strange if we ever learn Robert was found near Hyde Park.  The announcement by police to the media of 6 km's might not be accurate - they might have tried to keep the location as private as possible for a future suspect.

The newpapers for Kitchener-Waterloo, Guelph and Hamilton only have archives available back to 1990.

I wonder if Jacqueline Dunleavy's killer knew where she went to school, and left her there for that reason.  A terrible thing to do to her and the community no matter what the motive was for leaving her in her school driveway.

I have read a little about Magee.  He didn't seem to hide his murder victims and those he attempted to murder, he made them easy to find.  Like Jacequline Dunleavy.  It would be interesteng to know if it was a lack of evidence or evidence pointing to someone else that caused him not to be charged with JD's murder.  Magee was committed to the hospital for the crimminally insane in Penetang, let's hope he never got out.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 12, 2010, 06:22:58 PM
Newbie here.  The London Free Press was following the trial of Robert Hall this past week. Hall is facing nine charges from 1968 to 1974, including gross indecency and indecent assault against 4 boys.

Based on reports in the media, Hall lived in the vicinity of Robert Stapylton from 1963 to 1974.  First near Colborne & Pall Mall and, later, near Waterloo and St. James.  It appears that his alleged targets were around Robert Stapylton's age.

This is a long shot.  Hall has not been convicted yet and it's a long way from assault to murder.  Just thinkin' tho.   JMO, of course.

Thoughts?  Any possible connection?

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/09/16058166.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/09/16058166.html)

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/10/16071861.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/10/16071861.html)

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 12, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Hi goNgo - thanks for this update, had not heard about it.

I do think Robert Hall will be found guilty on some or all of the charges.  These victims, grown men now, are getting up on the stand to find justice and hopefully some peace.  It can't possibly be easy for them, so I believe them.

A conviction on any of the charges will be enough to get his DNA run through our national DNA databank.  Who knows what will be found then.

I think it's also possible DNA for Yates will be run through the DNA databank as well - even if he has to be exhumed to do it.  If that's possible of course.

Keep up posted!
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: jeb on November 13, 2010, 11:53:36 AM
Hi Woodland:

According to the London Free Press article, dated Wednesday September 24, 1969, Bruce Stapylton's body was found in a woodlot four miles from his home, in the area of London Township's sixth concession road slightly west of Adelaide St. 
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 13, 2010, 03:55:15 PM
Thank-you so much jeb - Gibbons and I have struggled to find this!  The London Free Press archives are very hard to come by outside of London - so I have found anyway.

Did you have any thoughts on this location during your research?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 13, 2010, 04:47:44 PM
Hi Woodland:

According to the London Free Press article, dated Wednesday September 24, 1969, Bruce Stapylton's body was found in a woodlot four miles from his home, in the area of London Township's sixth concession road slightly west of Adelaide St.

I believe that sixth concession is now called Sunningdale Rd.  Sure enough, that would be about 4 miles (6 km) from Robert Stapylton's house.  It looks like the route would be straight up Adelaide. 

Looking at google maps, there are now residential areas right up to the south side of Sunningdale, along Adelaide.  I don't know whether there was a woodlot to the south of Sunningdale back before the area developed.  To the north of Sunningdale it remains rural and is mostly open, treeless farmland.  About 400m north there appears to be a small laneway/driveway/road going off to the west. It is surrounded by wooded areas.  I think this could meet the description that Jeb quoted from the LFP article. 

IF this was the spot where Robert was found, and someone dumped his body and then continued on their way, the next cross road north on Adelaide is Medway Rd. (Concession 7).   If you head east on Medway it eventually turns into.........yes,.....Thorndale Road.   I'm probably trying too hard to connect these dots.  But, If Frankie Jensen's body was found in Thorndale, and, Scott Leishman disappeared from Thorndale, all around the same time, I think it is at least worth considering a connection.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 13, 2010, 05:21:48 PM
goNgo - you were reading my mind!  I just came back to ask if Sixth Concession is Sunnidale - and does it then turn into Melrose as it swings south?

Either way I'm running smack dab into a rail line.

Brilliant on Thorndale Road, Frankie Jensen and Scott Leishman!  I'm trying to learn the georgraphy better - you are helping tremendously!

Any more thoughts?


Edit - please read Sunnidale as Sunningdale.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 13, 2010, 05:32:07 PM
goNgo - just realized there is Adelaide Street and Adelaide Road in London.  There is no rail line on Adelaide Street, which is the location you gave.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 13, 2010, 05:46:39 PM
Where is Adelaide ROAD?  I can't find it on google maps. 

Also, I didn't make any reference to the rail tracks.  I was focused on getting out of town and heading to Thorndale.  ;)

Having said that, there are railway tracks that cross Adelaide St. not far from Robert's house on Piccadilly.   I think the railway tracks theory is valid, but a different theory from mine.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 13, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
Actually, both theories that I have put forward (Robert Hall, alleged molester of boys, and the Thorndale connection) I have to admit that I believe are long shots.  However, maybe, just maybe, one of numerous long shot theories will prove to be correct.

Another 'connection' that I think worth considering for the Robert Stapylton case is the fact that Robert live quite close to Wolsely Barracks.  A lot of transient military types moved through there.  It isn't difficult to imagine that there could have been a rotten apple there that knew he would be moving on, and took advantage of the situation for his inappropriate 'desires'.

Another theory that this group has brought forward is the 'Thames River' or body of water connection.  I was thinking that if Frankie's body was found in the Thames, in/near Thorndale, I would presume it would have had to have been put in the river at Thorndale, or further upstream (i.e. further away from London).   What might this mean? 

Sorry to mix various cases up in one thread (and for rambling), but I just have this feeling that some of them are related!  Somebody was killing boys in London in 1968/69 time period.

Any other connections/theories?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 13, 2010, 06:07:36 PM
Adelaide Road is also Highway 81 on the west side of London, it turns into Highway 2 which then carries on into London.  The railroad reference is a previous one of mine.

I finally understand the terrain.  Robert was found just east of the small town of Uplands, on Sunnidale Road East (formerly Sixth Concession).

Sunnidale is not a through road - it ends at Fanshawe Lake.  Donna Jean Awcock, 17, was found at Fanshawe Dam (south end of the lake) on 13 October 1983.  Donna was the last murder to be included in Project Angel.

Project Angel was very secretive.  Imo, they know alot more about links to the unsolved cases left when they disbanded in the summer of 2000.  I don't think they were able to obtain DNA for all 20 cases they reviewed, especially those found in water.  Their mandate was to see if a DNA profile could be produced from evidence London Police had, as well as linking any of the crimes by method, weapons etc.

goNgo - geographically your post today at 4:47:44 makes good sense.

Edit - please read Sunnidale as Sunningdale.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 13, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
...and Fanshawe Lake is downstream from Thorndale.  Interesting.

(BTW -- the proper name for the road is SunniNGdale, not Sunnidale.)
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 14, 2010, 09:10:41 AM
Thanks goNgo - I added a line to the two posts where I spelled the street name incorrectly.

One could certainly look at the area discussed as having had a predator operating in the 60's and/or beyond.

I sure hope Project Angel managed to obtain a perp's DNA for this case - it would have been 30 years later but the technology to find it now is greatly enhanced.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 14, 2010, 02:53:04 PM
Thanks Have faith for sharing what you know.  The residence for Hall and Yates is a little close for comfort here isn't it?

Molesters do come across as nice people, as we have learned over the years.  That's how they manage to get away with their crimes for so long.  Let's hope the days of feeling one cannot speak up for fear of reprisal is over and that others will not taunt this horrific crime.

According to the articles posted by goNgo Hall was a mechanic.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 16, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
Thanks Have faith - it helps put the georgraphy in perspective.

You seem to have alot of insight.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 17, 2010, 08:14:45 PM
Have faith - as a Gramma you have a basketful of life's experience.  Having lived through the London murders - your basket will likely have more insight than others.

Any thoughts on what murders seem related?  By location?  Method?  Time frame?  I think you could offer some thoughts that 'outsiders' like me will lack.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 18, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
Robert Hall - deliberation took all of 90 minutes.  11:30 am until 2:20 pm with a 90 minute lunch break.

He's on his way to the DNA databank.  We'll see what the judge decides on jail.

Thursday, November 18, 2010

Man guilty of 40-year-old sex abuse
By JANE SIMS, The London Free Press

A retired mechanic who abused boys in a London neighbourhood 40 years ago was found guilty of nine charges this afternoon.

The jury in Robert Hall's historic case of sexual predation began their deliberations at 11:30 a.m. and announced after finishing their 90-minute lunch break at 2:20 p.m. that they had made their decisions.

Hall, 72, of Aylmer was found guilty of all the charges he faced - three counts of indecent assault, four counts of gross indecency and two counts of assault with intent to commit gross indecency involving four victims between 1963 and 1974.

The four men who came forward and testified were boys living in the Old North neighbourhood when Hall lived, first on Colborne St. near Pall Mall St, then in a stately home he converted to a boarding house at the corner of Waterloo and St. James streets.

Hall denied knowing any of the men, but his victims were able to give details not only about the indecencies but also the man himself.

Hall operated an Esso gas station at Hamilton Rd. and Marmora St. in the 1960s. He later ran a used car lot.

Each victim described acts of luring by Hall attempting to engage them in sexual behaviour. One of the boys was wrestled to the ground and assaulted in Carruthers Park behind Hall's Colborne St. home.

One victim described several incidents where Hall pushed his groin area into him and showed him photos of men engaged in sexual acts.

Two other boys described how Hall tried to get them to touch him when he was sexually aroused.

Hall showed no emotion when the verdicts were read out.

Superior Court Justice Kelly Gorman ordered Hall be taken into custody until his sentencing on Dec. 22.

Hall faces another sentencing for four convictions in September involving one victim on Dec. 2
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 18, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
I wasn't aware that Robert Hall was convicted on other charges back in September. I wonder what those were.


It's unfortunate that Bill Yates never saw his day in court -- whether to prove him innocent or guilty.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 18, 2010, 06:30:22 PM
I suspect a judge will allow Yates' DNA to be run through the databank now that Hall has been convicted.  Very reasonable grounds here, given the association with Hall.

If so, Yates will be run through as a number only - only one or two peope know the name corresponding to that number.  If there is no hit, that's it.  No intrusion to anyone's life.

Imo, Yates checking out the way he did, he was either overly distraught about his buddy Hall facing accusations, or Yates was pleading guilty to charges yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 18, 2010, 11:22:38 PM
An updated article from the London Free Press tonight gives more info on Robert Halls history.  Clearly he had a number of charges against him in the past.   >:(

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/18/16207276.html#/news/london/2010/11/18/pf-16207276.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/11/18/16207276.html#/news/london/2010/11/18/pf-16207276.html)


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Following the jury’s decisions, the court heard Hall had a pardon for his prior convictions for indecent assaults that was revoked. He was convicted in 1967 and was given probation. In 1975, he was sentenced to one year in jail.

And in 1980, he was ordered jailed two years for two counts plus placed on three years of probation.

Hall also faces sentencing for four more convictions after a trial in September— two for gross indecency and two for indecent assault — involving one other victim who had a long-term relationship with him between 1968 and 1973, starting at age 11.

So sad! 


Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 19, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
William Yates

Born 1946, died Mar 2008
Completed teacher's training 1966
BA Western University 1980
Taught London public schools between 1966 and 1996 - Woodland Heights, Wilton Grove, Aberdeen, Tweedsmuir
Lived in boarding house owned by Robert Hall - dates?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on November 19, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
I went to the London Central Library today. I had limited time so I just had a chance to photocopy some LFP clippings from two folders that they have in the "London Room" for 'unsolved crime in London'.  I figured I would go for the low hanging fruit as opposed to digging out the microfiche for specific dates, etc.

While I did find more information on some of the other unsolved murders, unfortunately the 'clipping folders' did not hold much relating to Robert Stapylton.  (I will post further info on the other relevant threads and then add more once I get a chance to target the microfiche...which might not be for a while.)

Where Robert specifically disappeared from....no new info here....simply termed 'from his home' on Piccadilly.

When/where he was found:  Sep 23/69, in 'dense bush' 150 feet off Concession 6, just west of Adelaide St.  (per Oct 25 LFP article).

Only other specific I found was 'no obvious injuries'.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on November 19, 2010, 08:58:34 PM
So good of you goNgo to fill in some blanks.

I always thought Des had an interesting take on this one being a little different from the others.

Sadly, he lay in the bush during the hottest time of the year, probably wasn't much for the ME to examine.  Suffocation for example would be difficult to determine by then.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Have faith on November 20, 2010, 12:01:27 AM
Hi Woodland and goNgo:

goNgo's post #26 is correct re the roads and concessions. I thought I'd clear up a few things.

- I believe Uplands is the name to describe the area..it is not a town.

-Medway Rd. (conc. 7) does run right into the town of Thorndale. 

Railway Connection Theory:
There is no railway in the area where Robert was found.  (There is one in Thorndale). Therefore, I don't see a connection with other cases.

Water Connection Theory:
Robert's body was left approx. 5 minutes away from an access to Medway Creek. There is a flour Mill in Arva which sits right beside the creek. There is a small access road behind the mill off Sunningdale Rd. which runs right to the creek and is in a isolated area.  Therefore, I don't see a connection with other cases.

I don't think that Robert's case is connected to Frankie Jensen's case. One reason is because Frankie has been noted as being one of the "Tissue" slayings as has  Jaquie Dunleavy, Irene Gibbons and Donna Awcock.  (wads of tissue stuffed down their throats, and a plastic bag re Donna). Robert was not noted as having this MO.  Another reason is that Robert was not put into water, as was Frankie.  As far as the Thorndale location is concerned, Robert was driven in an almost direct route from his home, straight out to the city limits .
Adelaide St. heading north to Sunningdale would be the quickest route out of of town from his home. It just happens to be one road that you can use to drive toward Thorndale.  Frankie was abducted from the western border of London, and travelling to Thorndale would have been a deliberate choice.
Another reason is that Frankie was hit with most probably a brick, and suffered a fractured skull.  Robert did not have any noticeable injuries.

I don't know how to cut and paste yet, but if you want any source material re the above, I will direct you to it.  It is all taken from info found on this forum.




Edited, Medway Creek , omit Melrose, add Richmond St.


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Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on December 02, 2010, 08:12:51 PM
Have Faith - you have a lot of very good comments and observations there.  In particular, I would agree that the 'Thorndale' connection here is a bit weak.  Robert Stapylton's case does seem a bit different than the others.  There were no obvious injuries, no evidence of sexual assault and no confirmed cause of death.

I looked at microfilm of the LFP for June 7 to June 13 1969, hoping to find an article about his disappearance.  I couldn't find one.  (Always ready to admit that I may have simply missed it!).  I have it in my notes that he disappeared on June 7.  Is this correct?  If so, why wouldn't this have been in the news?  Look how much attention Frankie Jensen's disappearance got the previous year.  Was he not reported missing right away?  Did police not want to scare the public?  Did they suspect someone close to Robert?

If anyone has any suggestions about how to find out more specifics about his actual disappearance (i.e. outside his home?  what time of day?  etc.) I would love to hear them.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on December 03, 2010, 06:13:59 AM
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Hall 'rabid animal,' says victim
By JANE SIMS, THE LONDON FREE PRESS

Last Updated: December 2, 2010 11:02pm

Robert Hall’s victim called him “a rabid animal.”

He had been lured into Hall’s sexual traps by his motorcycles, cool cars and camping trips. For a couple of years, starting when he was 12, he was sexually abused on a regular basis by the Old North London neighbour who owned the cool motorcycles and Amphicars.

Now, aged 53 and his identity protected by court order, he sat at the back of the London courtroom yesterday with four other Hall survivors who had come to court with him to offer support. He was too fragile emotionally to read the victim impact statement he had carefully prepared for Hall’s sentencing on four counts of abuse against him.   
<snip>


How difficult it must have been for the victim to step forward and face his tormentor. And Robert Hall shows no remorse.  :(


http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/02/16410041.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/02/16410041.html)
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Have faith on December 05, 2010, 06:50:22 PM
goNgo:  I remember the massive press coverage for Frankie Jensen. His poster was all over downtown London while he was missing.  Perhaps his family arranged that.  But I also recall that Robert Stapylton received a very played down version of coverage in the press.  In retrospect I think that LE were trying to avert panicing the community.  I've read since that they were loathe to hint at, or use the term "serial killer".
It was a mysterious case for sure, and the lack of information was odd.  I don't know any details about exactly where or what time of day he disappeared. I guess the unshared info in the Project Angel files are going to relegate these cold cases as unsolved forever :-(
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on December 11, 2010, 09:48:54 AM
Robert Hall sentenced to 3 years.

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Hall was found guilty of two counts of sexual assault and two counts of gross indecency for two years of abuse inflicted on the 52-year old man when he was just 14.

Rady said she was aware Hall had been convicted of a similar offence in the 1960s and was on probation when he started abusing the boy.

He also has convictions in 1975 and 1980.

Hall had said during his trial in September he thought he and the boy had “a loving relationship.”

Rady noted that during his testimony, Hall referred to the victim as a “cry-baby”, and in his pre-sentence report was particularly critical of a civil action the boy has started against him.

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Hall still has to be sentenced for nine other convictions involving four other neighbourhood boys on Dec. 22.

Full article here:
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/09/16496241.html (http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/09/16496241.html)

What a sick man!  As evidenced by the parts I bolded...he clearly has absolutely no empathy for his victims.

I've been posting updates on Robert Hall's recent criminal trials here on Robert Stapylton's thread because I had originally wondered if there was any possibility of Robert Hall being responsible for young Robert's murder, which I recognize is a long shot, so this thread is not likely the best place for posts on RH.  Should I post this Robert Hall info elsewhere on these boards?  Perhaps in the 'Pedophiles' thread?
 

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on December 11, 2010, 11:10:42 AM
goNgo - thanks for the updates.  It wouldn't hurt to copy the posts on Hall to the pedophile list.

I like having them here for reference as I also think of Scott Leishman when I read about Hall.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: debbiec on December 11, 2010, 07:03:58 PM

Have Faith:

I have moved your post on Robert Hall to a topic that goNgo has posted some information in also. The Justice System - Pedophiles.

Just letting you know as you had voiced concerns about not knowing where to put it.

I have left the updates here as some feel they are helpful for reference. The posts on Hall can be copied to the pedophile list, as was suggested.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Have faith on December 11, 2010, 07:56:01 PM
debbiec: Thanks for letting me know.  I had searched the whole forum for a"pedophiles" topic.  I would never have thought of looking under "Justice System".  It doesn't seem to fit under that topic.

My Robert Hall post was in relation to R. Stapylton, Frankie Jensen, Scott Leishman and Robert Brown. I'll make mention of it on each of their threads, in case anyone wants to reference it or read it.

Thanks again,

Have faith
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: debbiec on December 11, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
You're welcome Have Faith.  :)

Good idea to make mention of it in each of those threads as well. It will make the information easy to access.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: spirit on December 18, 2010, 12:58:44 PM
Hi I am new to this site...I have been going through alot of the threads in Ontario, in particular London.  I have noticed that there has been alot of talk  about railway connections with the victims. Little about a military connection.  I am wondering if anyone has ever given serious thought to a military connection.  There was CFB London, CFB Ipperwash, CFB Borden, CFB Meaford, CFB Trenton. For instance there were several murders in London around 1968-1969-1970, that were not far from the CFB London base.  These guys often went away for periodic exercises to some of these bases, sometimes gone for weeks at a time.  Certainly they would not have been able to abduct someone while in a military vehicle, as it would most likely be noticed, and they would most likely have a group with them, but they would have known the roads well. As well, would some children mistake their dress uniform as a police officers?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on December 19, 2010, 10:42:26 AM
Welcome Spirit!

Yes, it does seem possible that someone involved/related to military bases could be involved in some of the unsolved cases in southwest Ontario.  Roberty Stapylton lived only a few blocks from Wolsely Barracks. Someone mentioned as a possible suspect in the murder of Lynn Harper was stationed at bases in Clinton, Exeter (north of London) and Aylmer (SW of London).  Bodies from a few unsolved cases were found not far from Aylmer.     I don't think they all fit the "military connection"...but it's possible a few do.

Thanks for posting.

N.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: amIam on December 19, 2010, 03:52:52 PM
Welcome Spirit, in my opinion you have great insight as I have been thinking along these same lines for quite some time.  And not only children, in my opinion would consider a person in uniform as someone safe and unthreatening.     
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Chris on December 19, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
What you have a base with thousands of young men, you are bound to have some bad apples. 10,000 young men added to a population of about 100,000 people is quite a lot of young men. Although a vast majority of these people are good and decent, it is no secret nuts jobs seemed to be attracted to the military.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on December 20, 2010, 08:20:10 AM
How devastating a story!  Thanks for posting that Gibbons.  Imagine suspecting that your father might be capable of those horrible deeds (on top of everything he's done to your own family over the years).    :'( :(
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Woodland on December 20, 2010, 08:23:28 AM
How horrific for this family.  I wish I had more to offer the writer of the letters above than best wishes.

This military person having a gun(s) or access to them had me think of Real Ouard Tessier, shot to death at the end on March 1959, in his car with a 12 guage shotgun soon after locking the service station he operated in St Thomas.

One reason this victim came to mind is how senseless this shooting was - $200 is reported to have been found on the victim and he was found in the opposite direction of his route home.  According to the author of the letters above, her father trusted no one near his wife.  Could he have perceived an affair?

Also, while writing the project Angel thread, I made a note that a 35 year-old man was held and questioned for 5 days regarding Tessier's murder.  The writers father would have been 35 or so at this time (her father lied about his age in '41 to enter the army, making him 16 or 17 then).  I will look for the article I made this notation from.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: jobo on December 21, 2010, 06:59:03 AM
Dear....that is a disturbing account of living with a military man with post traumatic stress disorder.   I wonder if the police down London way have talked to this Eileen. 
The description of the perp in the Susan Cadieux murder matches the description of this ex military man.   Tall and lean.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: spirit on January 03, 2011, 10:18:31 AM
The story is so sad...I too grew up in the military life,,,and i can relate to the story...i would like to know...who gave the desciption to the police, so a sketch could be made, who gave the weight and height etc....children often (even adults) over/under estimate height, weight and age...
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: rkay on May 15, 2011, 02:33:23 PM
Dug up the actual articles related to Robert Bruce Stapylton. Like goNgo earlier mentioned, it's astounding how little information there seems to be about him. I found NOTHING related to his actual disappearance. I went a little farther than goNgo-- to June 20th/1969-- and the paper is surprisingly devoid of mention. The later articles do discuss where some initial searching happened, but given Frankie's fate and the others at this time, I can't believe the media would either ignore or downplay another child missing. Not even an appeal from family for him to come home, or for people to keep an eye out for him, assuming that he may have run away. Very strange.

The only articles at all come in the fall, with the discovery of his body.

From September 24, the early edition relating the discovery, and the evening edition including the tentative identification:
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: rkay on May 15, 2011, 02:39:37 PM
September 25-26 discuss a possible clue, which turns out to be a red herring. Also, a continuing stress that no foul play appears to be involved:

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: rkay on May 15, 2011, 02:45:55 PM
The next mention that I found comes a full month later, with the tentative identification now positive. Again, surprised that this is so downplayed.

The information all seems very nebulous. Was he abducted or did he run away? Is there more information that turns up later to warrant including him in Project Angel? Or is that information that the police have kept to themselves?

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Have faith on May 16, 2011, 08:42:05 AM
Thanks rkay.  Many interesting new details to ponder.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: gibbons on May 19, 2011, 07:22:55 AM
Thanks for posting this information rkay.  It certainly adds new light to our understanding of how this young boy's death fits in with other unsolved cases.   Prior to this information being posted, it had appeared most likely that Bruce was abducted from his home address - whereas from these articles it suggests a quite different scenario.   As you point out, despite the press and the police downplaying this case at the time, there must have been sufficient concerns to include his death as part of the Project Angel re-assessment. 



Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: goNgo on May 23, 2011, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, thanks rkay.  So it wasn't just me who found the lack of media coverage surprising in this case?

I find it very odd that there is no mention of Robert's mother in these articles.....just his stepfather.  Also, they mention massive searches for Robert, yet, there was no mention in the media of these searches until several months later, until his body was found.  For some reason the police kept it quiet.  Perhaps they didn't think it was a random or 'stranger' crime.

The description of him leaving home, by his stepfather, was also odd...that they don't know why he left.

My hinky meter is going off right now.

Thanks again for digging out these articles, rkay.

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Buster on November 14, 2011, 04:31:16 AM
There is a Facebook Page called "If You Grew Up In London, Ontario".....There is a document way down near the bottom of their list of documents called Unsolved Murders. A lady posted there that she went to school with Robert, but that he actually went by the name Bruce, and that his last name was actually spelled Stapleton.

There are dozens of posts on this document about all of the other murders, and information there that I have not found on this site. Some of these posts might prove useful. Someone goes as far as saying that Frye taught school in the same town where Stephen Truscott was accused of murder. Could Frye have done it, not Truscott. This person says Frye moved to London to become a school principal. After retirement, he moved to Toronto.  Lots of other interesting theories too.

I myself lived in Oakridge Park in NW London all through the 60's and early 70's. I lived a stone's throw from London Hunt Club and played alot in the big wasteland and swamp on the east edge of the Club. That is until these murders became prevelant.  I remember also, that for a short time, someone was trying to lure kids into their vehicle at Oak Park Public School and we weren't allowed to walk home for awhile.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on November 14, 2011, 07:42:36 AM
Thank you Buster... There does seem to be a bit of difference in spelling. Strange how the LFP would continue to misspell his name.

I spoke with another friend who lived in Byron at the time and he said they were warned to stay clear of Fryer specifically. He said he'd sit in a huge black car and watch them play... glaring at them. If they moved down the block he'd slowly follow and sit and stare again. They'd get away only  by running through backyards to home
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: helper on November 23, 2011, 12:05:42 AM
Hi- I am very new to this and just started reading the information on this site several days ago. I saw reference to a Bill Yates earlier and did some research on him as the name sounded familiar to me. I actually had Mr. Yates as my grade 7 teacher at Woodland Heights. I read some glowing reports about what a great teacher he was. This was not my experience. I vividly remember some violent outbursts in class where he actually got physical with one of the boys. 
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on November 23, 2011, 06:35:50 AM
Hello and welcome!

There definitely was a large number of teachers with anger issues back in the day. What do you remember him doing and when did you have him as a teacher
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: helper on November 23, 2011, 11:21:27 PM
It was in the early 70's and he grabbed a boy in class and shook him. The boy was very small for his age and I just remember the look of rage on Mr. Yates face. It was a long time ago but it still unnerves me to this day. Of all the teachers I had, he was my least favourite. I was just so surprised to read that people thought he was great. I know that most of my classmates hated him. 
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Chris on November 23, 2011, 11:33:10 PM
That is horrible. Look at the pedophile coach at Penn State, everyone thought he was such a great guy. Except for the kids who experienced what no one else got to see.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: RCE on December 18, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
I stumbled on this thread & had to register to add my little knowledge of the case.

I worked for Roberts dad Mike in the 50s (Plaza Hardware) when a student.  My dad & Mike were both in the London North Lions club & knew each other well.  Mike's wife died of Cancer I think when I still lived in London.

My wife & I moved to Toronto in 1965 & now contrary to what I have read here, my dad notified me that Mike's son was found murdered in an abandoned house north of London & that is what I have thought to this day. 

For what its worth. 
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on August 02, 2014, 04:42:45 PM
Mike was his step father. Mike had been married before to a woman who had a child from  a previous marriage. She gave birth to their child and died shortly after of cancer. Mike married Robert's mother who also had two other girls from a previous marriage. She also passed away so it must have been a full house.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: factsfirst on August 03, 2014, 11:56:15 AM
I remember Robert's stepdad, Mike, very well from his days at the Plaza Hardware store. Mike was a community spirit leader. When the Stoneybrook Sports Association was founded in 1961-1962 there were only four house league hockey teams, two novice and two Peewee. The two novice teams were sponsored by McGuire's Barber shop [the "Clippers"] and Middlesex Motors [The "Comets"]. One of the peewee teams was the Roy James "Meadowlarks" and the team that Mike sponsored was the "Plaza Hardware Hornets". All games were played outdoors at North Rink [now Carling arena]. Whenever the best players from the house league teams were sent to tournaments, they always played in jerseys supplied by the North London Lions Club......no doubt also due in part to the efforts of Mike.
  When Robert was found dead on September 24th, 1969 it was a bit disconcerting to me personally as I lived in the extreme north end of the City and only about a mile away from the woodlot where he was found. We all knew the location well. The Frankie Jensen and Jacqueline Dunleavy cases were still fresh on everyone's mind. It didn't help when Jacqueline English disappeared less than two weeks later, only to be found murdered 5 days after that. Positive identification of Robert in October a couple of weeks later did nothing to make anyone feel better nor did the unexplained disappearance of Lynda White the previous November. Not a good time to be growing up in the City of London.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on August 05, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
The disappearance and discovery of Jackie English around the time Robert was found likely eclipsed it in news... being as it was such a short time between abduction and discovery... and that she was female. I'm guessing. Maybe this is why there wasn't more in the paper. You'd think they would have been keen to put them all together and keep the heat on them all.

What seems to be a mystery is where Robert's birth father figures in this.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Declan on August 06, 2014, 07:35:20 AM
Thanks for the information "FactsFirst".  A while back, when the TV documentary was aired, one of the researchers was trying to develop a geographical profiling for the unsolved London cases.  I think there has always been some confusion on where RBS was actually found - ie. the actual location of the woodlot.  Can you provide us with a bit more information on where RBS was found?  I imagine the woodlot is no longer there.


Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: factsfirst on August 06, 2014, 01:04:42 PM
Hi Declan, appreciate your efforts on many of these sites. Some of the early posters on this site seemed to be unfamiliar with the City which led to some confusion as to where Robert was found. The woodlot in question was on the southwest corner of Adelaide Street and Sunningdale Road which at the time was known as the 6th Concession, London Township. There is a gas station there now and if I had to estimate where his body was found it would be close to the gas pumps. There was also a dense woodlot on the northwest corner, the remnants of some of that woodlot are still there today.
  In the mid-1980's the woodlot where Robert was found was clear cut illegally and a small watercourse altered which led to a court case and a fine for the offender. I distinctly remember a map published in the London Free Press with an arrow that pointed to the spot, similar to the map published when Frankie Jensen was found. No one has posted that map yet and I'll have to get to the library to see if I can find it. My parents got the London Evening Free Press so perhaps that is where it will be.
  If you are interested in the geographic aspects of these cases, try this exercise. Get a roadmap of the City of London and put an X at the address of each of the following young murdered Londoners from the years 1968 to 1970. Connect all the X's and you will find an amazingly straight line.

336 Griffith St. Jacqueline Dunleavy age 16
382 Hazel Ave. Frankie Jensen age 9
34 Argyle St. Lynda White age 19
129 Kent St. Jacqueline English age 15
455 Piccadilly St. Robert Stapelton age 11
19 Bridle Path Soraya O'Connell age 15
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Kazoo on August 06, 2014, 02:47:37 PM
Hi Factsfirst, thank you for pointing that out.

Wow.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: factsfirst on August 06, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
I neglected to mention also that the murders are arranged chronologically as well as geometrically. They start from west to east with the the 1968 ones [Jacqueline Dunleavy first, then Frankie, then Lynda White] then the 1969 ones and then the 1970 one.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: John Wilson Murray on August 06, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Hate to throw off your chronology and geometric aspect but don't forget this one from 1963 next door to Soraya O'Connell.  I find neighbouring houses for victims, albeit 7 yrs apart, very interesting.

21 Bridle Path  Margaret Sheeler age 20


JWM
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Declan on August 06, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Interesting how the "line" pointed out by FactsFirst and then mapped, follows the Thames River so closely - with a turn to follow the North Branch after passing The Forks. 

Thanks for the info on where RBS was found.   Adds a useful element to consider that his body was found so close to Adelaide Rd. itself.  Seem an odd location if his death was by misadventure.

Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Superman43 on January 22, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
This man was my great uncle, he wasn't found in a bush or the woods... he was found dead in a cornfield...
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Superman43 on January 22, 2015, 08:12:41 PM
Gibbons - do you have a more detailed location where Robert was found?  It seems it might have been west of London - initially I thought the location was towards Thorndale.
he was found dead in a cornfield of of Adelaide 6...
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on January 23, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
Is his step father still alive? My mother recalls seeing him at Cherry Hill a few years ago. She also has fond memories of his sisters. Who would be the point of contact for Robert now for the Police?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: Declan on January 23, 2015, 01:49:26 PM
Thank you for the update (Superman 43), and appreciate the information provided.  There is so little information available for many of the unsolved London cases and largely we rely on dated LFP clippings (see reply #47, 48) which seem to have many inaccuracies.  Specifically the LFP reported his body being found in dense bush (which might indicate that his body had been hidden) on the Pocock property.   The LFP articles for other cases have also been wrong on aspects of other cases.   Welcome to the site - and the update is appreciated.   

Connecting some information found on different threads on this site.  There is a post from Have Faith on the thread for Robert Hall (who is now serving 9 years for various crimes against young boys in the Colborne Street & Old North London area circa 1964-1972).  As Have Faith notes in a detailed list of facts, RH had lived only 2 blocks away from Bruce Stapylton for several years.  Later, when RH moved, his new location was a little further away from Bruce Stapylton`s house (4 blocks).  However, it is worth noting that the new location for RH was closely neighbouring St. George`s Elementary School, which was the school attended by Bruce at that time.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on April 21, 2015, 11:26:23 AM
I drive by this corner almost daily and it's hard to imagine it without the gas station , Tim Hortons, YMCA etc. The corner on the North West seems like it was a bit overgrown until recently so I was wondering if it was a pure field of corn which would have been ready to harvest by the time Robert was found. If this was all corn field, where was this shack they spoke about and was the property owned by the same man?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: factsfirst on April 21, 2015, 01:52:12 PM
Hi Chickapey, Attached is the aerial photo of that corner taken very close to the time that Robert was found. For scale you just have to check the dimensions against the distance between the two concessions, in this case Fanshawe Park Road and Sunningdale Road, which is close to one mile. I would say that the woodlot where Robert was found on the south-west corner was at least 300yards by 300 yards and it is roughly a square. If the LFP measurements are correct then he was found well within the borders of the bush. Cornfields were always planted close to the bush and on both sides of the road, except just south of the bush in an area that was always swampy. Still is today. I have zoomed this photo many times but cannot say for sure where the structure was except that it was in the bush. Both my sister and I remember it being there and it was fairly close to Sunningdale Road. The woodlot was almost exclusively made up of hardwoods so you could easily see far into it when the leaves were off in the winter but in the summer you could hardly see into it at all.The bush lot to the north was smaller as shown in the photo, very similar in looks to the south woodlot but of no consequence in this case as far as I can see. I have to believe that the house visible on the south edge of the woodlot was the one belonging to the owner of the entire corner.
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on April 21, 2015, 09:02:02 PM
Thank you Factsfirst. When the other poster mentioned a corn field I was confused because I remembered it being referred to as woodlot. Also, I wasn't sure how likely it would be for him to be found in a cornfield that late in the season due to harvesting. Do you remember how mature the trees were? They look pretty close together and some older.

It just seems to have so many unanswered questions... why did he leave ... was there an argument or was he told he wasn't allowed to do something? Who else saw him"
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on June 12, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
No disrespect but I can't see how he could have been found in a corn field given the time of year he was discovered. The corn would have been harvested before this and his body found. From any of the articles already posted, it's clear he was found on the corner where the gas station now stands... south west corner.
If the body was that decomposed, there was no cause of death etc then how can they rule out foul play? If he was such an avid camper, he would have taken supplies.. not just walked off in the middle of the day and walked all that way to the corner. It's still troubling to read about the massive search for him yet see nothing in the newspaper of the day mentioning it... no appeals from the family, nothing. Who reported him missing?
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: jobo on June 13, 2015, 06:44:18 AM
I live in corn country, and sometimes the corn is left in the fields past harvest time, it has to be dry to be harvested.

I tried to take a quick look back to see exactly when Robert was found, but don't have the time right now to confirm...But it is not unusual for corn to be in fields as late as November...
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: chickapey on June 13, 2015, 03:38:05 PM
Good to know about the corn (I guess the feed corn is different than human corn) But the articles all state the corner where the woodlot is as well
Title: Re: Robert Bruce Stapylton, 11, - London, ON - Murdered - 1969
Post by: elsie on June 24, 2015, 07:15:40 AM
Occasionally, not often though, feed corn is not harvested until winter freeze-up or even as late as the next spring.