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Title: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2013, 05:25:35 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1320805--florida-police-in-toronto-to-pursue-snowbird-murder-case

Florida police in Toronto to pursue snowbird murder case
Published on Sunday January 27, 2013

A team of police officers from Florida are in Toronto as part of the investigation into the deaths of Toronto residents David “Donny” Pichosky and Rochelle Wise.

The couple, who lived in Hallandale Beach, Fla. during the winter months, was found dead in their condo Jan. 10.

Hallandale Beach Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy told CP24 Sunday the team isn’t in Toronto following up on information they have but to “develop the victimology of Donny and Rochelle. Who were they, what did they do while they were here, what was their background, their past life experiences.”

The team consists of Flournoy, a member of his command staff and two homicide detectives, according to the Jewish Tribune. They will be in Toronto until Thursday.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
Background:
Taken from Toronto Star
For more than 20 years, Toronto resident David Pichosky flew south to winter in a sleepy Florida neighbourhood popular with fellow snowbirds.
 
He bought the two-storey condo in Hallandale Beach, between Miami and Fort Lauderdale, with his wife, Sandra, in the 1980s.

Following his wife’s death from cancer in 2006, Pichosky, known to friends and family as Donny, married Toronto educator Rochelle Wise, and the retiree newlyweds carried on the tradition of happily escaping to the sunny state.
 
But when Pichosky, 71, and Wise, 66, failed to show up for a lunch date Thursday, friends began to worry. A neighbour noted that Thursday’s paper sat untouched on the doorstep. Concerned that no one was picking up phone at the condo, a family member asked neighbours to check in.
 
Just after 6 p.m. Thursday, a neighbour with a spare key opened the door and found their bodies. Local police have deemed their deaths a double homicide.
 
Television personality and Star columnist Jeanne Beker said she was shocked to hear about the death of Wise, who she recalled as “good vibes, personified.”
 
“She touched the lives of so many families, and really provided such a supportive, loving, happy place for kids,” said Beker, whose daughters attended Crestwood Valley Day Camp, where Wise was director.

“She seemed to always look on the sunny side, and just have such a zest for life,” Beker said.

Captain Sonia Quinones, of the Hallandale Beach Police Department, said the cause of death and the motive is under investigation. Local police swarmed the area and dispatched a canine unit Thursday, and police remained on scene Friday gathering forensic evidence.
 
“I’m very afraid,” said France Chouinard, a neighbour of Pichosky and Wise and a fellow snowbird. Neighbours have been instructed to stay in their homes and not even go into their backyards, she said.
 
The homicides have shocked the community, which hasn’t seen anything like this before, Chouinard said. She had just said hello to Pichosky on Wednesday.
 
The deaths have equally stunned the couple’s broad network of family and friends in Toronto. Contacted Friday at the home of one of Pichosky’s children, a relative said the family was asking for privacy.

A colleague of Pichosky’s son, Mark Pichosky, said he and his family were already in Florida at the time of the homicides. Recent social media posts by Pichosky’s grandchildren show them vacationing in Florida with “Zaida,” or grandpa.
 
Wise recently retired from her job as vice-principal of the preschool division at Bialik Hebrew Day School, located near Bathurst St. and Glencairn Ave. The head of the school, Shana Harris, sent an email to parents on Friday.

“We are all profoundly shocked and distraught by the tragic loss of Rochelle Wise and her husband, Donny. Rochelle was a beloved member of the Bialik community and respected as an outstanding educator and wonderful human being,” Harris wrote.
 
Wise had also worked as director of the Crestwood Valley Day Camp in Toronto from 1990 until 2005. The camp’s directors issued a statement Friday, saying the camp was shocked by the couple’s sudden and tragic death and describing Wise as “an inspiration to a generation of kids.”
 
“Rochelle was a selfless individual who took a genuine interest in the lives of everyone she came across,” the statement said.

The couple lived in Toronto’s Bathurst and Eglinton Ave. area. A neighbour in the building, who identified herself only as Sherry, said Pichosky and Wise were a “lovely couple.”
 
“It looked like a beautiful second marriage and they always looked so happy together,” she said. “When you know that these people got a second chance at happiness and then it was taken away from them, it feels like a double whammy.”

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: D1 on January 28, 2013, 05:51:32 PM
I think the US investigators have some pretty good ideas what was behind these murders. I was impressed to hear them speak as opposed to how much we usually hear from LE up here. Not so much any extra info given out, but the feeling they really were investigating, not just giving it lip service through a pr statement.
jmo
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on January 28, 2013, 06:27:22 PM
Well, I hate to say this, but immediately when I saw this case, I thought of an inside job. A family member, I thought of instantly. But then I had in my mind, they would be in Canada and not in Florida. But low and behold family members were in Florida. So sometimes when two older people get married, then relatives get worried about their inheritance. Sorry, but I just have to say this. I maybe wrong, but it seems like the police are looking into this as an inside job. As far as I know, this is a secured kind of place and would be difficult for anyone to get in unless they were expected. I believe the couple knew their killer. That is my view on what happened here, an inside job.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 28, 2013, 07:52:11 PM
Cape; It was the first thing that I thought of too. An inside job.  Over money.

jb 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on January 29, 2013, 04:55:11 PM
You would have to have a pretty good income to spend winters in Florida every year. I say no more. But what would be the motive, if there was nothing taken, surely the police do have a good insight into who committed this crime.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: debbiec on January 29, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Killing of Canadian couple in Florida may not have been random: police

8:57 pm, January 23rd, 2013 

TERRY DAVIDSON | QMI AGENCY
 

TORONTO - The slaying of a Jewish-Canadian couple in Florida earlier this month may not have been a random act, according to U.S. investigators.
Police officers will arrive in Toronto on Sunday to question friends, family, acquaintances and business associates of North York couple David "Donny" Pichosky, 71, and Rochelle Wise, 66.

The couple were murdered in their Hallandale Beach winter home on Jan. 10.

"We're trying to figure out who their business associates were, their neighbours. Were they liked? Were they disliked?" said Dwayne Flournoy, Hallandale Beach's police chief. "We don't have information (about) their activities as it relates to Toronto ... We're trying to get a better understanding of who (they) were."

When asked if Pichosky, a retired businessman, and Wise, the former director of a kids' day camp, had been targeted, Flournoy didn't rule it out as a possibility.
"We haven't ruled anything out right now," said Flournoy, who called it a "complicated" case. "If they were targeted, we're not releasing that information. Right now, everything is in the realm of possibility."

According to a Florida newspaper, Flournoy spent Tuesday talking to the couple's neighbours and others living around their Hallandale Beach home, ensuring that "there is no elevated risk to the public as it relates to a crime spree."

The respective children of Pichosky and Wise, who had been married only a few years, were tight-lipped.

Suzanne Pichosky, daughter-in-law of David Pichosky, refused to comment when asked about the possibility the couple were targeted. Pichosky's son, Mark, would only say he hoped for a speedy arrest. Rochelle Wise's son, who did not want his name used, also refused to comment.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2013/01/20130123-205757.html (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2013/01/20130123-205757.html)
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Concerned on January 30, 2013, 06:05:06 AM
Florida likes to solve their cases.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on January 30, 2013, 06:10:11 PM
I firmly believe this case will be solved. My opinion is, they knew their killer. :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on January 31, 2013, 04:38:35 PM


 http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/01/14/toronto_couple_murdered_in_florida_are_laid_to_rest_as_questions_swirl.html

By: Rachel Mendleson and Peter Edwards Staff Reporters, Published on Mon Jan 14 2013
PHOTOS at link.



 
Unanswered questions hung heavy over a joint funeral service held Monday for a well-loved Toronto couple killed last week in their Florida winter home.
With the investigation into the double homicide of retirees David “Donny” Pichosky, 71, and Rochelle Wise, 66, still underway, hundreds packed a Jewish memorial chapel in North Toronto, lining the walls behind the pews and spilling out into the foyer.
“We come here together today to mourn the death of two beautiful people,” said Rabbi Chaim Strauchler. “We are beset by tragedy and overwhelmed with questions.”
The first of a half-dozen family members to deliver a series of heartfelt eulogies, Jamie Wise said his mother’s death had left him “frozen, angry, shocked and broken.”
“These questions won’t stop and shouldn’t stop,” he said.
Uncertainty has surrounded the case since Thursday evening, when, at the behest of a concerned family member, a neighbour checked in on the husband and wife and found their bodies inside their two-storey Hallandale Beach condo.
They were killed on Wednesday in what Hallandale Beach police quickly deemed a double murder.
Police have yet to comment on a motive or cause of death. According to Captain Sonia Quinones, investigators are still awaiting autopsy and toxicology reports, a process that “may take weeks.”
Neighbour Gloria Gross, 70, told the Star on Monday that the normally quiet Hallandale Beach community has been “traumatized” by the murders.
Some neighbours wonder if perhaps they showed cash or jewelry in a nearby mall and were followed home, Gross said.
“I keep asking, but nobody seems to know anything,” she said.
A longtime educator, Wise was a former director of Crestwood Valley Day Camp and vice-principal of the preschool division at Bialik Hebrew Day School. She married Pichosky, an active member in his synagogue and regular volunteer at a local seniors’ home, following the death of his wife in 2006.
At the memorial, Pichosky’s daughter Sari Rosenblum described the couple as “two peas in a pod.”
Rosenblum recalled the pledge her father had made in his 20s to become more religious if he survived brain surgery, and described him as a “super” grandfather with a knack for storytelling.
Jamie Wise fought back tears as he shared a note from his mother that he said he was “not meant to be read for many years.”
“Please remember what I taught you about love and kindness,” he said. “Stay positive about life and change.”
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 31, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
Toxicology?  Why?? Could this be by poison?  Was it really a double homicide?? ???
So many questions. Is toxicology always done in Florida murders? 
That doesn't make any sense.  But does perhaps offer a hint.
The mystery deepens.

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on February 01, 2013, 12:26:35 AM
The note was probably in a safe, or held by a lawyer with her will, to be given upon her death. I too have left notes for my children , with to be opened upon my death only .  Thus I do not find that unusual.  I have sought to comfort my three kids upon my passing so thus the letters. The are in my safe in the house and kids know they are to open it the safe upon my death.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on February 02, 2013, 11:21:50 PM
Sap I totally agree with you , any one could have accessed those houses from the water way , A gate at the front is not much use if the back is totaly exposed. Sure hope they find the killer soon .
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: leonagleant on February 03, 2013, 03:54:45 PM
I'm happy to hear about the cameras, and I hope they find some evidence.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on February 06, 2013, 08:01:34 PM
I discovered some interesting comments by readers, about the security in the Hallendale gated communities.
It came from this site.  I am not familiar with the street name that this couple lived on. 
http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.ca/2013/01/canadian-retirees-david-pichosky-and.html

There are 6 comments.  I think the last 3 are of interest re: lack of security.
I am not familiar with the area of course. :)

JB


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on February 06, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
Interesting that the gates open for anyone. There were a lot of homicides in the area last year as well. Following is video of Venetian park condos listed at approx 475,000. Marble flooring, pretty nice but take a good look in the back. Some have metal fencing which is not very high at all and the canal is right there, with easy access.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdta-jfuL0
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on February 21, 2013, 08:42:28 PM
Police released some surveillance footage of a female walking alongside the couple's condo and going to the back with something in her arms and when she returns, has nothing in her arms. Neighbors there don't recognize the woman. Video at link:

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/florida-police-release-video-linked-to-toronto-couple-s-murder-1.1156923

CTV Toronto
Published Thursday, Feb. 14, 2013 2:16PM EST
Last Updated Thursday, Feb. 14, 2013 6:54PM EST
Police in Hallandale Beach, Fla., are asking for the public’s help in identifying a woman on a surveillance tape in hopes of catching a break in the case of a Toronto couple found slain there last month.
David Pichosky, 71, who was known as Donny, and Rochelle Wise, 66, were found dead in their Hallandale Beach condo on Jan. 10 after failing to make a scheduled lunch date with a neighbour.
According to a short statement released Thursday, an unidentified woman was spotted carrying an item toward the rear of the retired couple’s residence at 9:45 a.m. on Jan. 9. Police say the mystery woman then returns to the front of the house empty-handed.
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The bodies of David Pichosky, 71, and Rochelle Wise, 66, were discovered by a neighbour on Thursday, Jan. 11, 2013.
The footage – which will be made available on the police department’s website – was captured by a neighbour’s electronic video surveillance.
Police aren’t calling the woman a suspect, nor are they identifying the object in the woman’s hands.
The woman in the video is about 5'4 and heavy set.
"This woman appears to be wearing a black jacket, grey pants, blonde hair and a pony tail [and] is seen walking next to the Pichovsky-Wise residence,” Sonia Quinones of the Hallandale Beach Police told CTV Toronto. “She's carrying something in her arms; she walks right alongside the residence towards the rear. When she returns from the back of the residence she then is seen walking back towards the front, but this time she's empty-handed.”
Quinones added that police have showed the video to local residents but no one could identify the woman.
In late January, law-enforcement officers from Florida spent four days in the Toronto area, interviewing the couple’s family and friends to learn as much as possible about the victims.
Pichosky and Wise split their time between Toronto and Hallandale Beach, an affluent waterfront community in east Florida located between Miami and Fort Lauderdale. Wise was well-known in Toronto as the founding director of Crestwood Valley Day Camp and as vice-principal at Bialik Hebrew Day School.
Police have remained tight-lipped about the murder investigation, and have not released the couple’s causes of death or a possible motive for the crime, saying releasing further details might hinder the investigation.
The double-murder has shocked the gated Florida community, popular with retirees and snowbirds.


Read more: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/florida-police-release-video-linked-to-toronto-couple-s-murder-1.1156923#ixzz2LalVBcpn
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Ron on March 06, 2013, 09:34:14 AM

Last Updated Wednesday, Mar. 6, 2013 10:25AM EST

A Toronto couple who was slain in Florida earlier this year died of asphyxiation, police say.

Rochelle Wise, 66, and her 71-year-old husband, David Pichosky, were found dead in their winter home in Hallandale Beach in January.

Police believe there are multiple suspects in the double homicide.

                                                   
                                                                   http://www.cp24.com/news/couple-slain-in-fla-died-of-asphyxiation-police-say-1.1183475
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on March 06, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
Was the person that was taking a parcel, whatever it was, a delivery person. Of course, there is no vehicle seen there. And could this actually be a woman or could it be a man.  She is very heavy set and it is hard to know what she was carrying, it seemed to be very large. I thought about flowers, sometimes they are wrapped. Were there flowers in the home, fresh cut??? Just don't know what that parcel would be. Some plants are wrapped, so to keep them from breaking. It would be interesting to know if the lady liked fresh flowers in her apartment.  That's the only thing I can figure the parcel to be. It is very tragic. Hoping they find out who this person is in the video. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on March 06, 2013, 06:41:58 PM
Someone definitely wanted this couple dead. And possibly it was strangulation. So there must have been two people that were responsible. I definitely think there was a motive here, because it doesn't make sense to kill them for nothing. It is strange that this woman never came forward. I actually think she was delivering flowers. It's too bad there wasn't more footage of the area where she was walking to see if there was a vehicle parked in the area. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Concerned on March 07, 2013, 06:26:13 AM
The uneventful way the woman was walking, and how familiar she seemed to be in the area, makes me think that perhaps she was a cleaning lady. People in that area have vacation homes, second homes, etc. So it would not be unlikely that she is a person that goes on location to water plants, lightly dust and vacuum. Or, prepare a unit when someone is expected to arrive, or clean-up a unit after they leave. Usually, supplies are all at the location. She doesn't, to me, look like a person that would be on a mission to harm someone because her speed and intensity was laid back. She wasn't nervously looking around. I wonder why she walked so close to the building on the way in, but took the long sidewalk route on the way out. Could she have arrived at the location to find the couple harmed, then get nervous and leave? Perhaps, a bit in shock?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: capeheart on March 07, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
Concerned, but what was the parcel???? Do the police know of a parcel and maybe they are keeping that a secret. And I just would like to know the extent of the time of when the lady walked around to the apartment and how long it took her to walk out, without the parcel. But the police must know what was in that parcel.  In my mind I think it was a plant or some kind of tall flowers. I also think the woman was not very worried about being seen and do not believe she had anything to do with this crime. Maybe she knocked at the door and there was no answer and she just left the parcel there. We actually do not know the police report and that could be in it, that a parcel was by the door.  I believe there was a motive here, but not exactly sure what it was. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 04, 2013, 07:54:54 PM
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Missing+ring+offers+clue+slaying+Canadian+couple+Florida/8195934/story.html

Missing $16K ring offers clue in slaying of Canadian couple in Florida

 By The Canadian Press April 4, 2013 5:07 PM
 
NDALE BEACH, Fla. - The slaying of a Canadian couple found dead in their winter home in Florida may have been motivated by robbery, police said Thursday.
 
Rochelle Wise's wedding band — valued at $16,000 — was missing from the couple's condo in Hallandale Beach, Fla., investigators said.
 
The ring is described as platinum finish with five half-carat white diamonds in a half moon shape and police said it may be engraved with the letters DCC on the inside.
 
The band has an unusual locking mechanism that allows it to open and close so that it can fit over a knuckle, they said.
 
"We are hoping that if we find this ring it may lead us to more information," Hallandale Beach Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy told the Miami Herald.
 
Investigators are asking pawn shops and anyone who deals in used jewelry to keep an eye out for the ring.
 
It's the first clue to emerge regarding a possible motive in the deaths of Wise, 66, and David Pichosky, 71, whose bodies were found Jan. 10.
 
Police have described the killing as "senseless."
 
Wise and Pichosky were married about four years ago and her son has said they were just beginning to take advantage of their retirement.
 
Wise, a popular former day camp director and educator, and Pichosky were at the local Jewish temple on Jan. 8 then went to a Wal-Mart and returned home, police have said.
 
Police released video in February from a neighbour's surveillance camera hoping to identify a woman seen walking to the rear of the couple's home that day carrying an unidentified object then leaving without it.
 
The medical examiner has concluded the deaths are homicide by asphyxiation, although police haven't said whether it was by hand or a ligature.
 
 

 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 06, 2013, 02:19:23 PM
quote from article in post 31

Police released video in February from a neighbour's surveillance camera hoping to identify a woman seen walking to the rear of the couple's home that day carrying an unidentified object then leaving without it.
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How can one woman murder two people - silently?  No screams etc.  How could she overpower both, even if individually?  If this mysterious woman is involved, perhaps she had a partner?

SAP, yes she could well be part of the "hired help".  How else would she get into a gated community? (although how secure this community is, is certainly open for debate)

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: leonagleant on April 13, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
It would take a strong person to overpower and strangle two people at once. If police have video surveillance, does that rule out another entrance/escape route outside of the view of video cameras? If so, then a solo strong woman as captured in the video looks pretty guilty, especially as she hasn't come forward since.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: leonagleant on April 13, 2013, 09:56:28 PM
No doubt they were scrutinizing family members in Toronto.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 14, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
I agree with Concerned.  I don't think she had anything to do with it. Very nonchalont - ambling along.  Looks like she is eating a candy bar  when she was walking away.  She is in such "out of shape" physically, I can't see her killing anyone.
She was walking by the building at 10:53 - and seen walking walking back at 10:59.  6 minutes!! to murder 2 people and steal a ring?  No way - to my mind. Perhaps she was delivering something to someone on a yacht. Booze, perhaps?
I would look at someone in the neighbourhood, who although, by all appearances look rich, are very financially desperate. Perhaps they have stolen items of value from others, but did not have to commit murder.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 21, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
Here is an article which is making more sense.  Le says it was more than 1 killer according to this article.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-couple-slain-in-florida-asphyxiated-police-say/article9337003/

Excerpt:

They both died of asphyxiation in a manner that’s a homicide,” he said, declining to be more specific.

He said investigators had forensic evidence showing there was more than one killer.

“This was not perpetrated by a sole perpetrator, there's multiple culprits involved in this double homicide,” Mr. Flournoy said.

“I’m confident that we’re going to solve this case … those people who are responsible for this, their freedom is short-lived.”

He added that “we have no reason to believe that the people who are responsible for this homicide were known to them.”


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on October 20, 2013, 01:31:01 AM
This tragedy remains unsolved for now. I don't think the police will give up and will keep working on it.


http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/05/unsolved_hallandale_beach_florida_murders_leave_family_broken_exclusive.html

(video at link also)

Unsolved Hallandale Beach Florida murders leave family ‘broken’: Exclusive
Toronto snowbirds Rochelle Wise and Donny Pichosky died eight months ago; their son is issuing a plea for help in solving the case.


The Star's Rachel Mendleson discusses the Story So Far on the mysterious murder of two Canadian snowbirds killed in Florida.

By: Rachel Mendleson News reporter, Published on Thu Sep 05 2013


At first glance, it was almost as though nothing had changed.
It was late March, more than three months after his mother and her husband were killed in their Hallandale Beach condo, and Jamie Wise was in Florida for Passover.
The investigators had finished collecting evidence. They told him he could visit the scene.
Inside the pale yellow townhome where Rochelle Wise and Donny Pichosky spent their winters, there were breakfast dishes in the sink. A newspaper on the table was dated Jan. 9, the day before a neighbour discovered the bodies of the well-loved Toronto couple, dead in what police quickly deemed a double homicide.
“It was surreal because the house wasn’t ransacked. It was perfect,” Wise, 38, said. “It was difficult trying to visualize what happened in there.”
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Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise on their wedding day in Toronto in August 2009.zoom
Nearly eight months since the investigation began, the murders remain unsolved — and so many of Wise’s questions unanswered. On Wednesday, in his first extended interview, he said he wanted to bring attention to the baffling case, and the lives snuffed out by a seemingly random crime.
“Someone has to be held accountable. Justice has to be served for my mom,” he said. “I can’t change what happened. But she doesn’t have her life, so whoever did this shouldn’t have their freedom.”
No details have emerged about the case since the spring, when police revealed that Pichosky, 71, and Wise, 66, died by asphyxiation, in an apparent robbery that involved at least two perpetrators, who most likely did not know the retirees. (Wise’s $16,000 wedding ring was the only item taken from the property.)
Despite a $51,000 reward issued by CrimeStoppers in March, it has been more than a month since investigators received a new lead, according to Hallandale Beach Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy.
After analyzing more than 100 pieces of evidence from the scene, police have reached out to other U.S. agencies for help with the forensic analysis, an attempt to “re-energize” the investigation, Flournoy said.
“Right now we’re kind of rehashing our old leads and testing out our theories again,” he said.
What police do know is that on the evening of Jan, 8, the devout couple, who was married in Toronto in 2009, attended a local Jewish temple and stopped at Walmart before returning to their home in Hallandale Beach, about 20 minutes south of Fort Lauderdale. They spoke with a family member the morning of Jan. 9 using Apple’s FaceTime, their last known contact with anyone.
What happened to Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise?
Timeline for the murderszoom
Click here for details of when events unfolded
The following evening, Wise was at a meeting in Toronto when he got a call from Pichosky’s son-in-law, who told him to go home. Something horrible had happened.
“He said the neighbours had called him frantically and then hung up. He hadn’t heard from them in hours,” Wise said. “He thought they were dead. He basically implied that.”
While Wise placed countless unanswered calls to his mom’s cellphone, her best friend in Florida drove over to the townhome. She told Wise the house was surrounded by police cars and news trucks.
Sitting at his kitchen table, he typed “NBC Miami” into the Internet search bar on his computer.
“Sure enough, right on the website, it said, ‘Two people found dead,’ and (listed) their address,” he said. “That’s how I found out.”
Wise arrived in Florida the next morning, hoping to get some clarity from police.
“You expect that they’re going to tell you what happened, but of course they don’t because it’s a crime scene,” he said.
Police were adamant that it was a double homicide, words that triggered countless questions.
“(You think), ‘How is it possible? Why them? What are you talking about?’” he said.
“Then you just sort of shut that off. There are things that have to be done. I’m the man in the family, so I had to do all those things. Falling apart is certainly not an option.”
Of all the tasks he had to perform — arranging for the bodies to be returned to Toronto, planning a memorial service — finding a way to tell his two young daughters about what had happened to their “Bubba” was probably the most difficult.
He channeled his mom, a longtime educator with a knack for relating to children, and told them it was time for her “to go to heaven,” he said.
“When you tell a 3-year-old over and over again that it was just their time, they believe you,” he said. “That’s a reason that makes sense.”
But there is much about the case that simply doesn’t.
Wise said he has often wondered how no one in the quiet subdivision saw anything suspicious on the day his mom and Pichosky were killed, which Flournoy said “is the same question we’re asking.”
In Florida, where, according to FBI data released to Scripps Howard News Service, more than a third of homicides go unsolved, tight-lipped neighbours can sometimes be a roadblock for investigators.
But Flournoy describes the Venetian Park community, part of the semi-gated Three Islands Safe Neighbourhood District, as “forthcoming.”
Still, police have been unable to identify a mystery woman whose image was captured on a surveillance video the day before the couple’s bodies were found. The footage, released in February, shows a heavy-set blond walking behind the couple’s home with an unidentified object in her hands.
“If the community wasn’t talking, we could say she may be from the community. But this community kind of knows everybody, so there’s no reason to shield the identity,” Flournoy said.
On his way home from work each day, Flournoy passes a CrimeStoppers billboard on Hallandale Beach Blvd. emblazoned with the couple’s faces — “a constant reminder” of the still-unsolved case, he said.
He doesn’t blame Wise and his family for growing impatient.
“I would be frustrated. They want to know who is responsible for killing their parents,” he said. “It’s frustrating to us that we’re not able to tell them who is responsible, but our frustration can’t get in the way of us doing our due diligence.”
Wise, who is in regular contact with investigators in Hallandale, said he “will not stop” until the perpetrators are caught.
He hopes he can motivate the public “to demand answers as well from their community officials, from law enforcement.”
“Our country should want to know what happened to two of their citizens who were murdered abroad,” he said.
On the eve of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, he said the next few days would be especially tough.
“Holidays are family time,” Wise said. “Our family is broken this holiday.”
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 26, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
This case is very strange indeed.  Quote from reply #40 - newsarticle

They both died of asphyxiation in a manner that’s a homicide,” he said, declining to be more specific.

He said investigators had forensic evidence showing there was more than one killer.

“This was not perpetrated by a sole perpetrator, there's multiple culprits involved in this double homicide,” Mr. Flournoy said.

“I’m confident that we’re going to solve this case … those people who are responsible for this, their freedom is short-lived.”

He added that “we have no reason to believe that the people who are responsible for this homicide were known to them.”


Apparently, the couple were asphysiciated.  Could that be smothered?

Then we have from another article;

"“It was surreal because the house wasn’t ransacked. It was perfect,” Wise, 38, said. “It was difficult trying to visualize what happened in there.”
So no blood to clean up - townhouse left neat and tidy.......

and - the only thing missing was a $16,000.00 ring.

No sign of forced entry - and a video of a woman. (I don't think that woman had anything to do with it) She wasn't in the area long enough to do all of that.

This is fishy to me.  There would be oodles of things to steal from anyone of those homes, lots of jewellery, cash etc., which could amount to more than $16,000 I would think.  Besides, it would have to be sold at a fraction of its value. 

Why them???

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 26, 2013, 11:38:41 AM
Possibly they were strangled.
I wonder if it's someone who saw the ring being worn and made a point of figuring out where they lived just to steal it.  No sign of forced entry - maybe entry through a patio screen door- was it mild enough not to have AC on? 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 26, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
taken from the Star article;

After analyzing more than 100 pieces of evidence from the scene, police have reached out to other U.S. agencies for help with the forensic analysis, an attempt to “re-energize” the investigation, Flournoy said.
“Right now we’re kind of rehashing our old leads and testing out our theories again,”

That is quite a bit of evidence. Yet, the townhouse was not ransacked - and it was found neat and tidy. Could some of it be paper evidence??

I have a feeling robbery was not the motive here - the missing ring was gratis to the killers.imo
I mean there would in all likelihood be other items of value in the home - perhaps expensive watches and what have you........ If robbery was the motive, one would think they would have taken a bit more time and searched their home for more of the same.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 26, 2013, 06:11:34 PM
Looking at the video again of the woman, it looks to me as though she is carrying a doll in a box. I think I can see the dolls face & head.   It is facing towards her. You know what I mean.  You buy them in a box with the large celluloid window in front.
Also appears as though she is eating a candy bar or something on the way back.

Can anyone else see that - or not? or just me (probably)

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/florida-police-release-video-linked-to-toronto-couple-s-murder-1.1156923#ixzz2LalVBcpn
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 26, 2013, 07:21:53 PM
I  see the tall box and it doesn't appear to be a food delivery.  It looks like she is eating something or maybe smoking a cigarette or possibly blowing her nose on the way out.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 26, 2013, 09:08:29 PM
Could she be delivering flowers in that box?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
Is that how a woman in Florida would dress? 
Here is the archived temperature for that area on January 10th.
http://www.friendlyforecast.com/usa/archive/archive.php?region=FL&id=65836&?-Forecast-Hallandale-Beach-Florida&date=20130109000000&sort=hour

At 10:00 am it was 79 degrees.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 01:15:40 PM
Here is more clarity on the timeline from the police website, and video of woman.
http://www.hallandalebeachfl.gov/index.aspx?NID=832

David “Donny” Pichosky and Rochelle Wise (Double Homicide)




Rochelle and Donny Crimestoppers.jpg


David “Donny” Pichosky and Rochelle Wise were located deceased inside of their residence at 926 NE 25 Avenue Hallandale Beach, Florida on January 10, 2013.

 The investigation revealed Donny and Rochelle electronically communicated with some family members the morning of January 9, 2013. At 12 noon, Donny and Rochelle were scheduled to pick up some friends in Hallandale Beach then travel to a restaurant in the north part of Broward County. Donny and Rochelle never made it to this lunch appointment. The investigation also revealed video near the incident location depicting what appears to be a heavy set female walking between town houses at the time of the incident. The female has not been identified.See video of the unidentified female.
and this is the better video - the video only.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAujV0a1fBY

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 27, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
If she worked in an air conditioned office or store and is required to wear a certain style of dress, it's quite possible she is dressed for Florida "inside" weather.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 02:52:29 PM
Good Point Discus:  Perhaps she did, but then again wouldn't she take her jacket off to go outside?
Perhaps she always wore a jacket in windy weather. It appeared to be windy, and she is heavy, so perhaps would be self-conscious.

These murders must of happened within a few hours on January 9th.
1. the newspaper for January 9th was in the home on the table.  Breakfast dishes in the sink
2. The couple spoke to their family that morning. I think it was 9:30, another report said 8:30 am.
3. They were to pick up another couple at 12 noon, and go out for lunch and they did not arrive.
This must of happened within a three hour window at the most.

How did these culprits enter their home in broad daylight, and leave without being detected by someone!!

Why was nothing heard? They share one wall with their neighbour.
Why was the place neat and tidy.  One would expect the place to be a bit disturbed at the very least.

Odd as well that this  woman did not ring their front door bell, that is,  if she was delivery anything to them. Wouldn't that be easier?

Why would the coroner send samples out for a toxicology test?

The police said that they were asphyxiated.  Now if they were strangled, than the coroner would be able to tell right away. So why  toxicology tests ??

And why would the police say they were asphyxiated, rather than use the word strangled, if they were strangled.
I doubt that the police would use such a term in place of strangulation. (or do they?)

jb

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 27, 2013, 03:10:51 PM
The one wall shared with a neighbour reminds me of Sonia's case;  no one heard a thing on the other side of the wall.
Perhaps they were acquainted with the perps and welcommed them in.
Asphyxiation is due to lack of oxygen.  Could there be some kind of a drug that would lead to asphyxiation hence the drug testing?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
It appears to be a robbery, what with the $16,000 ring missing.  An inventory was taken of their belongings and that is all that is missing.  Didn't they have other things that could well of been stolen? Such as other jewellery pieces, and surely he would of had a watch!! It wouldn't take thieves any effort to take his watch.
Why go to the trouble of asphyxiated them?  Why not bound them, gag them and take off with the ring?
(no doubt that ring was insured).
Something just isn't adding up, at least it doesn't to me.
- something isn't quite right. 

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on November 27, 2013, 03:35:51 PM
I don't think the woman in the video is eating something.  I think she's crying.  Wiping both eyes.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 04:34:40 PM
Also the couples car and the (neighbours car?) were at home.
Looking, yes she is wiping her eyes. It does look like she is crying.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Logical on November 27, 2013, 05:32:01 PM
I watched the video and thought she had a cat or small dog in her hand, possibly she threw it in the water? Could be a reason she has not come forward?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on November 27, 2013, 06:12:59 PM
It doesn't look like she's wearing the sunglasses at the beginning of the video, but is after she comes back.  Perhaps to hide those crying eyes.  She's carrying the package upright in one arm as though it is flowers or a bottle of alcohol in a bag.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 27, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
As she is walking towards the water - we see her back it does look like a dog or a cat with the legs moving as she walks.
Wiping her eyes and nose on the way out.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 06:23:16 PM
I guess crime is bad in that area. Here is another murder.
Kareem Andre Williams and the Murder of Florida Retiree Albert Honigma

     On January 9, 2013, 71-year-old David "Donny" Pichosky and his 66-year-old wife Rochelle Wise, were found murdered in their Venetian Park retirement condo in Hallandale Beach, Florida. From Toronto, Canada, the couple wintered in the gated community located between Fort Lauderdale and Miami.
     
      Two days after the murders of the Toronto retirees, Lauren Kanoff from New York City was in Boynton Beach, a Palm Beach County town north of Hallandale Beach, visiting her 80-year-old father. Albert Honigman lived in the Aberdeen Development, a gated retirement community considered safe from crime. Mr. Honigman had grown up on Long Island, New York, and after retirement, had moved to Florida's southeast coast with his wife Phyllis. In 2011 Phyllis passed away.

      At ten o'clock Friday night, January 11, 2013, Lauren and her father were unloading packages from their car in their open garage after an evening of shopping. A man walked up behind Lauren, and when she turned around, he punched her in the eye and side of the face. The blow knocked her down, and for a few seconds rendered her unconscious. When Lauren came to, she saw the assailant over her downed father punching him in the face. "You stay down old man," he said, "I have a friend in the car with a gun."

      Lauren did not see the car, but she got a good look at the attacker, describing him to the police as a 6-foot, athletically built black man in his 20s and 30s. Before the assailant left the scene, he stole several pieces of jewelry and Mr. Honigman's Rolex watch.

      Paramedics rushed Albert Honigman to the Bethesda West Hospital where he was given a brain CAT scan. The next morning, the patient went home, but later in the day, was called back to the hospital after the CAT scan revealed blood on his brain. The following day, January 13, Mr. Honigman returned to his retirement condo. He went to bed where, a few hours later, his daughter found him dead.

      The forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy determined that Mr. Honigman had been killed by blunt force trauma to the head. The Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's office classified the manner of this 80-year-old's death as criminal homicide.

      In speaking to a reporter after her father's murder, his daughter said, "I don't know if he [the assailant/robber] followed us in, I have no idea. All we know is we turned around...and suddenly I'm down, my father's down."

      As in the aftermath of the Hallandale Beach murders of Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise, residents of the Aberdeen Development in Boynton Beach were apprehensive. Mr. Honigman's murder destroyed the sense of security in this retirement community. One of the Boynton Beach retirees said this to a reporter: "It's a very frustrating experience to have someone who lives in [your] gated community get murdered. It's terrifying."

      Homicide detectives, by reviewing surveillance camera tapes,  determined that Lauren Kanoff and her father had been followed home from the Boca Raton Town Center Mall by two young men in a silver Camaro. On February 6, 2013, officers in West Palm Beach arrested 25-year-old Kareem Andre Williams. The murder suspect, a personal trainer with L. A. Fitness, resided in Loxachatche, Florida. In Palm Beach County, Williams had been arrested for grand theft, and carrying a concealed weapon. In 2011, Williams was released from a Florida prison after serving time for armed burglary and several firearms offenses.

      Kareem Williams, the owner of a car that matched the Camero seen following the victims home from their shopping trip, was placed, through cellphone records, at the mall at the same time the victims were there. A mall surveillance camera tape also showed Williams and Albert Honigman in the same proximity near one of the shopping mall's exits.

      On February 15, 2013, a Palm Beach County prosecutor charged Kareem Williams with first degree murder. The magistrate denied the suspect of this brutal home invasion murder, bail.
     
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 27, 2013, 06:41:12 PM
Crime stats show crime is high in Florida- crimes against persons.  I think Miami is near the top and if I remember correctly even Orlando is high on the list for the whole country.  When travelling we check out crime stats prior to our trip.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2013, 07:19:50 PM
this couple went to walmart evening of January 8th. Here is the walmart video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqVxGUouNU


jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 27, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
The man in the black sleeveless shirt seemed very interested in whatever is on that table.  He comes back for a second look. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 28, 2013, 10:24:53 AM
This is the closest timeline, through the information which we have been able to locate and post.

January 8th, went to synagogue and captured on camera at Walmart in the evening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqVxGUouNU

January 9th - this couple talked to family in the a.m. Breakfast dishes in kitchen sink.
They were due at noon to pick up another for lunch and did not arrive.

January 9th at 10:53 am, police need to identify a woman seen walking beside the couples townhouse and disappearing around the back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAujV0a1fBY

and here is an article of the neighbours and what they observed prior.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-11/news/fl-hallandale-double-murder-folo-20130111_1_sonia-quinones-hallandale-beach-police-capt-canadian-couple

quote:Another neighbor, Frances Chouinard, said she last greeted Pichosky on Wednesday morning (9th) when he returned home from grocery shopping. On Thursday morning (10), she noticed he hadn't picked up his newspaper and that a Macy's shopping bag was left at his front door.

Gloria Gross said her 83-pound dog, Tai-Bo, pulled her toward the unit during an afternoon walk Thursday.
"I couldn't pull him away," she said, "He was trying to literally get in through the door."

January 10, friend who had key went to home around 6:30 pm , saw the morning paper January 9th newspaper on the stoop and carried it in - and discovered the bodies.

- no signs of  forced entry into the front door,

An inventory of the couples belonging in the townhouse was done, and the only thing missing was the $16,000 wedding ring.



jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 28, 2013, 04:26:50 PM
Logical had suggested a little dog.  Could she have brought it to someone who was adopting it and was upset afterwards? 
I found this blog:http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.ca/2013/01/canadian-retirees-david-pichosky-and.html

According to the Broward County Medical Examiner's Office, the Canadian Couple had been murdered in their home. The cause of their deaths: asphyxiation either by hand or by ligature.
If this is the case then back to the question why were toxicology tests performmed?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on November 28, 2013, 04:41:19 PM
. I think early on we were also questioning the fact that someone must have seen the couple out shopping and saw the expensive ring on Rochelle's finger and followed them. According to the other articles of others in these wealthy retirement areas being followed home ... I think that is very likely what happened. Lowlife's hang around areas where wealthy people are living and shopping, waiting for opportunities.

I too think this is what happened.  I will speak of my own experience in Central Florida this year.  My friend purchased a watch at an outlet shopping mall and was carrying the bag with the store logo on it in the outdoor mall.  He was approached by people speaking Spanish wanting to know the time; indicating so by pointing at his wrist.  My friend felt quite uneasy afterwards and promptly disposed of the bag and box in the garbage without the contents. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 28, 2013, 05:11:07 PM
The Macy bag was found on the front porch (stoop). 

Here is another article which tells us a bit more. This was early in the investigation.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/09/a_month_later_murder_of_donny_pichosky_and_rochelle_wise_remains_a_mystery.html

A month later, murder of Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise remains a mystery

Those with information about how or why the Toronto snowbirds were killed in their Florida condo either aren't talking, or don’t have much to say.

The bodies of Toronto snowbirds Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise were found inside this Hallandale Beach townhouse on Jan. 10. Their murders remain unsolved.
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  Published on Sat Feb 09 2013

HALLANDALE BEACH, FLA.—One evening in late January, residents of the tidy Venetian Park community filed through the double doors of the condo association building next to the tennis courts, looking for answers.

A few weeks had passed since the bodies of fellow residents David “Donny” Pichosky, 71, and Rochelle Wise, 66, were discovered inside one of the pale yellow townhomes, the victims of what police quickly ruled a double murder.

But with authorities in the ordinarily placid city revealing scant else about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of the Toronto snowbirds, neighbours had been calling police, wondering if they, too, were in danger.

To quell those fears, the police chief and mayor invited residents to a closed-door meeting. Yet the simple message they offered — that the crime did not constitute a heightened risk to the general public — left some with even more questions.


Resident Gloria Gross said a few people were so exasperated they walked out of the standing-room-only meeting before it was over.

“They didn’t say doodly-squat,” said Gross. “Everybody is quite concerned. . . . They haven’t told us anything whatsoever.”

Sunday marks one month since a neighbour with a spare key found the bodies of the husband and wife, who had missed a lunch date earlier that afternoon and weren’t answering the phone.

But in both Hallandale Beach and at home, there’s a sense that those with information about how or why they died either aren’t talking, or don’t have much to say.

Investigator, who maintain they have yet to determine a motive or cause of death, are playing whatever cards they do have tight against the chest. Still awaiting results of toxicology tests, police refuse to reveal anything about how the couple, well-known members of the Toronto Jewish community, were killed. And they have asked those closest to them to do the same.

“As much as I’d love to share, I can’t, because I want them to catch whoever did this,” said Pichosky’s daughter, Sari Rosenblum, whose family has previously declined requests for comment. “They were loved everywhere, which is why it’s so bizarre. I can’t figure out why something like this would happen.”


Nestled between a golf course and beachside condo towers in the densely populated South Florida Metropolitan Area, about 20 minutes south of Fort Lauderdale, Venetian Park is a serene place. Ducks can often be found on manicured lawns, beneath the shade of tall palms.


Billed as the “city of choice,” Hallandale Beach had five murders in 2011 and 2012 combined. Until recently, crime-related concerns in this upscale section of the economically diverse city of 38,000 tended to be limited to the odd vehicle break-in, and other crimes of opportunity.


To access Venetian Park, vehicles must pass a security guardhouse equipped with a camera and gate. The booth is seldom manned but according to a sign posted at the entrance, the condo development is “electronically monitored 24 hours a day.”

Shortly after 9:30 a.m. last Wednesday, around the time of day Pichosky and Wise were known to return from their morning stroll, activity on Venetian Park’s interconnected blocks consisted of a few residents walking dogs, and birds chirping overhead.

And yet, in the quiet enclave where detailed rules are posted for everything from garbage disposal to pool use, one gets the sense that disturbances do not often go undetected.


After the bodies were found just past 6 p.m. on Jan. 10, officers fanned out across the development, knocking on doors and gathering footage from personal security cameras, said Hallandale Beach Police Capt. Sonia Quinones.

They received numerous calls from neighbours, anxious to discuss what might have happened to the couple, who were by all accounts thrilled to be given a second chance at love. (They were married after Pichosky’s first wife died of cancer in 2006.)

“In the beginning, we had theories, and we would follow up everything,” said Quinones. “We’re still in that process.”

In the condo office, Daniel Miulescu, president of the homeowners’ association, refused to share what he called “Sherlock Holmes ideas” about the case.


“Rumours aren’t going to help them (the police),” he said. “Facts are going to help them.”


Another resident who declined to be interviewed said that speaking about the killings would be “unfair to Donny and Rochelle.”

This silence, shared by the rabbis at Chabad House in Hallandale, where the couple regularly attended services, is in part a reflection of the esteem in which they were held.


A kind, gentle man who loved telling stories to his grandkids, Pichosky was involved in his Toronto synagogue and a regular volunteer at a local seniors’ home. He made a vow in his 20s to become religious if he survived brain surgery, which he did.

Recently retired from her job as vice-principal of the preschool division at Bialik Hebrew Day School in Toronto, Wise had also been director of the Crestwood Valley Day Camp. In a statement released following her death, the camp’s directors described her as “an inspiration to a generation of kids.”

More than 1,000 people packed their Toronto funeral service.

“It’s been really difficult,” said Rosenblum. “We’re doing the best we can. We’re just leaning on each other and getting support from both our families.”


In the aftermath of the killings, Gross told the Star that some neighbours wondered if perhaps they flashed jewelry or cash at a local shopping centre, and were followed home.

When police assured residents they weren’t at risk, and travelled to Toronto to conduct interviews, neighbour Boris Basmanov said he began to ask if there was “maybe something in Canada” to explain their deaths.


But Hallandale Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy, part of the team that came here late last month, said the trip was an attempt to better get to know the victims in a “complex” homicide investigation that is “not a smoking gun case.”


He readily admits he has shared no details with area residents, other than the fact he has no indication the couple were targeted because of their religion, race or wealth — evidence that would lead him to believe the general public could be at risk.


“When you start to put out details, they (tipsters) begin to weave certain facts . . . that we know to be true into their own developed story,” Flournoy said. “Then we have to go out and spend a tremendous amount of resources in tracking down those leads.”

Although police are still in the early stages of their investigation, there is one thing they are adamant about: Family members are not among the list of potential suspects.


“There is no indication that this homicide is related to the family, not at all,” Flournoy said.

In keeping quiet, witnesses and those close to the couple have “allowed us to concentrate our resources on very credible leads,” said Flournoy, adding he is “very pleased” with progress investigators have made.

Back in Venetian Park, Miulescu said he does not believe the community requires heightened security. But he has nonetheless accepted an offer from police to conduct a survey of the property to see if any changes should be made because, as he acknowledges, “others might feel differently.”

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 28, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/05/unsolved_hallandale_beach_florida_murders_leave_family_broken_exclusive.html
excerpt;
What police do know is that on the evening of Jan, 8, the devout couple, who was married in Toronto in 2009, attended a local Jewish temple and stopped at Walmart before returning to their home in Hallandale Beach, about 20 minutes south of Fort Lauderdale. They spoke with a family member the morning of Jan. 9 using Apple’s FaceTime, their last known contact with anyone.

They were alive the morning after going to Walmart.  Unless they followed them, and went back in the morning.
Oh my goodness, how did these horrible people, whomever did this,  get into their place without being seen?Why is it, that neighbours heard nothing? According to one article people walked their dogs in the morning, strolled around etc.  And the neighborhood was always quiet and peaceful.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on November 29, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
I have viewed and viewed and viewed that clip with the woman walking to the back of the house and I am convinced she is crying as she comes back .  What really confuses me she seemed fine walking back there then only moments later she is coming back out and really looks to be crying wiping tears , makes me wonder why? Wonder if the police have had any luck identifying her so I am searching to see for updates but not having any luck . Has any one else ?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on November 30, 2013, 01:02:01 AM
A satellite photo would be nice too, to see what's behind the house.  I wonder if a tracking dog was brought in to follow the womans' scent.  Her DNA could be on the package, whatever it was.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on November 30, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
Yes it sure would be good to have a view of the back as well to see how open their yard is etc there is fence all down the side but is the back closed or open I wonder.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2013, 08:46:08 AM
Link to video

At first glance, it was almost as though nothing had changed.

It was late March, more than three months after his mother and her husband were killed in their Hallandale Beach condo, and Jamie Wise was in Florida for Passover.

The investigators had finished collecting evidence. They told him he could visit the scene.

Inside the pale yellow townhome where Rochelle Wise and Donny Pichosky spent their winters, there were breakfast dishes in the sink. A newspaper on the table was dated Jan. 9, the day before a neighbour discovered the bodies of the well-loved Toronto couple, dead in what police quickly deemed a double homicide.

“It was surreal because the house wasn’t ransacked. It was perfect,” Wise, 38, said. “It was difficult trying to visualize what happened in there.”
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    Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise on their wedding day in Toronto in August 2009. zoom

Nearly eight months since the investigation began, the murders remain unsolved — and so many of Wise’s questions unanswered. On Wednesday, in his first extended interview, he said he wanted to bring attention to the baffling case, and the lives snuffed out by a seemingly random crime.

“Someone has to be held accountable. Justice has to be served for my mom,” he said. “I can’t change what happened. But she doesn’t have her life, so whoever did this shouldn’t have their freedom.”

No details have emerged about the case since the spring, when police revealed that Pichosky, 71, and Wise, 66, died by asphyxiation, in an apparent robbery that involved at least two perpetrators, who most likely did not know the retirees. (Wise’s $16,000 wedding ring was the only item taken from the property.)

Despite a $51,000 reward issued by CrimeStoppers in March, it has been more than a month since investigators received a new lead, according to Hallandale Beach Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy.

After analyzing more than 100 pieces of evidence from the scene, police have reached out to other U.S. agencies for help with the forensic analysis, an attempt to “re-energize” the investigation, Flournoy said.

“Right now we’re kind of rehashing our old leads and testing out our theories again,” he said.

What police do know is that on the evening of Jan, 8, the devout couple, who was married in Toronto in 2009, attended a local Jewish temple and stopped at Walmart before returning to their home in Hallandale Beach, about 20 minutes south of Fort Lauderdale. They spoke with a family member the morning of Jan. 9 using Apple’s FaceTime, their last known contact with anyone.
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The following evening, Wise was at a meeting in Toronto when he got a call from Pichosky’s son-in-law, who told him to go home. Something horrible had happened.

“He said the neighbours had called him frantically and then hung up. He hadn’t heard from them in hours,” Wise said. “He thought they were dead. He basically implied that.”

While Wise placed countless unanswered calls to his mom’s cellphone, her best friend in Florida drove over to the townhome. She told Wise the house was surrounded by police cars and news trucks.

Sitting at his kitchen table, he typed “NBC Miami” into the Internet search bar on his computer.

“Sure enough, right on the website, it said, ‘Two people found dead,’ and (listed) their address,” he said. “That’s how I found out.”

Wise arrived in Florida the next morning, hoping to get some clarity from police.

“You expect that they’re going to tell you what happened, but of course they don’t because it’s a crime scene,” he said.

Police were adamant that it was a double homicide, words that triggered countless questions.

“(You think), ‘How is it possible? Why them? What are you talking about?’” he said.

“Then you just sort of shut that off. There are things that have to be done. I’m the man in the family, so I had to do all those things. Falling apart is certainly not an option.”

Of all the tasks he had to perform — arranging for the bodies to be returned to Toronto, planning a memorial service — finding a way to tell his two young daughters about what had happened to their “Bubba” was probably the most difficult.

He channeled his mom, a longtime educator with a knack for relating to children, and told them it was time for her “to go to heaven,” he said.

“When you tell a 3-year-old over and over again that it was just their time, they believe you,” he said. “That’s a reason that makes sense.”

But there is much about the case that simply doesn’t.

Wise said he has often wondered how no one in the quiet subdivision saw anything suspicious on the day his mom and Pichosky were killed, which Flournoy said “is the same question we’re asking.”

In Florida, where, according to FBI data released to Scripps Howard News Service, more than a third of homicides go unsolved, tight-lipped neighbours can sometimes be a roadblock for investigators.

But Flournoy describes the Venetian Park community, part of the semi-gated Three Islands Safe Neighbourhood District, as “forthcoming.”

Still, police have been unable to identify a mystery woman whose image was captured on a surveillance video the day before the couple’s bodies were found. The footage, released in February, shows a heavy-set blond walking behind the couple’s home with an unidentified object in her hands.

“If the community wasn’t talking, we could say she may be from the community. But this community kind of knows everybody, so there’s no reason to shield the identity,” Flournoy said.

On his way home from work each day, Flournoy passes a CrimeStoppers billboard on Hallandale Beach Blvd. emblazoned with the couple’s faces — “a constant reminder” of the still-unsolved case, he said.

He doesn’t blame Wise and his family for growing impatient.

“I would be frustrated. They want to know who is responsible for killing their parents,” he said. “It’s frustrating to us that we’re not able to tell them who is responsible, but our frustration can’t get in the way of us doing our due diligence.”

Wise, who is in regular contact with investigators in Hallandale, said he “will not stop” until the perpetrators are caught.

He hopes he can motivate the public “to demand answers as well from their community officials, from law enforcement.”

“Our country should want to know what happened to two of their citizens who were murdered abroad,” he said.

On the eve of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, he said the next few days would be especially tough.

“Holidays are family time,” Wise said. “Our family is broken this holiday.”



                                                             http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/05/unsolved_hallandale_beach_florida_murders_leave_family_broken_exclusive.html
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: debbiec on November 30, 2013, 10:57:54 AM

I'm not sure if the above article was posted earlier on the thread. Nothing wrong with re-posting as the conversation is ongoing, and it helps keep things fresh in our minds.

Just adding that the article was published on September 5, 2013.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on November 30, 2013, 01:47:14 PM
Although this was said to be a " gated " community, I don't see any gate or cameras at the entrance to the condos.  Seems like anyone can freely come and go.  There could have been access to the back of the house by boat, as there are docks at the back of the residences. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on November 30, 2013, 03:06:48 PM
There is lettering on her jacket and/or shirt but I can't make it out.  Seems like she may be shifting the object she is carrying to the left arm as she turns the corner out of site.  She has to be going to a back yard or dock.  There doesn't seem to be any other place to go back there.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on November 30, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
I found a video of a venetian park townhouse for sale I believe this is the area in which they lived.
You can see the ease of the rear access and flimsy  gate at the back of this townhouse, as has been mentioned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdta-jfuL0



jb
ps, I thought we had this video on this site at one time. Sorry, if this is a double post. (same video)
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 01, 2013, 06:44:04 AM
After watching the video, one thing that stuck out to me was the high-rise apartments across the water from the townhouse.  Makes me wonder if someone from the apartment buildings could've been scoping out the residences and residents with a telescope to see which ones might be good targets.  And they came across the Wises.  Mrs Wise's wedding ring must have been quite impressive since it was worth $16,000.  Apparantly that is the only thing missing. The waterfront side of the townhouses are all windows....and if the curtains, blinds aren't closed, how private are they?

I wonder if there is other crimes they can compare this one to, whereas the victims were murdered just for a piece of jewellry?     I would think using a Pawn Shop in the State of Florida would not be the perp's first choice to take this ring to.  I don't know whether all Pawn Shops in the States are connected or not.  But then again, I suppose one could put it in an Auction instead.
If I was the Police I would surveil that apartment building across the water to see who has a telescope sitting in their window, directed at the townhouses.  Or who rented short term in those apartments, and was there at the time of the murders.
I would think that once a perp got away with it, they would move on and try the same thing again in another location with the same kind of view of nearby townhomes of the well to do kind of vacationers.
Unfortunately a lot of people let their guard down with females, more so than with males.  This sounds like a couple (male and female) that evilly think they have a good idea on how to make money without working....but why was only the female seen on CCTV?  Why not the male?  Or did he know he could walk where he would not have been picked up by camera?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 01, 2013, 02:18:24 PM
The highrises are about 2 blocks away to the south of the murders.  I wonder if something was left at the crime scene and the lady came back to retrieve it.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 01, 2013, 08:41:24 PM


www.nbcmiami.com/news/Hallandale-Beach-Police-Release-Video-in-Canadian-Couples-Murder-191237891.html

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 01, 2013, 08:52:36 PM
From looking at the video and the pics this house was extremely easy to access.  I don't believe for one min some one killed them to steal a wedding ring though has to be more behind this. I mean once the couple was dead they could have stole all the jewelry and many valuable small things I have no doubt. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 02, 2013, 06:55:19 AM
I remember now, what the show PawnStars said about some (questionable) merchandise they buy from customers.  They have to put the item on a website (probably for pre-set time) and if there is no hits that it is stolen then they are clear to sell it.  Pawn Shops must work with the Police or they could be out money......if they buy a stolen item and the Police come in with proof, then the Pawn Shop has to hand it over and they are the ones that lose out.

Maybe it is unbelievable, eyeswideopen, that the killers only wanted the ring......but maybe it is a new kind of criminal way to survive by crime.  One ring worth $16,000 saves a lot of work and is much easier to hide than a bunch of other stolen goods.  That ring is worth more than all the electronics in most houses.... In fact the female P.O.I. could walk around wearing it and who would notice other than her family/friends?  I do not think the authorities will be checking hands.  Of course all we know is what we read, who really knows how much other expensive jewellry there was?   I wear two pairs of diamond studs, but you would be hard pressed to find other expensive jewellry in my house....lol......I wear what I haven't already given to my daughters.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 02, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
In the link I posted above; I noticed the chance of personal robbery is high in the area- more than 2x national average.
I wonder if it is because it is located near the beach, and of course Florida doesn't have the same extremes in temperature as we do so it must be easier to live on the streets. 
The diamond ring is a lucrative steal.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 02, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
Still, one would think that they could have, at gun point,  bound them, etc. and taken the ring - not murder them??
- one by one via asphyxiation -and  then we have to consider that burning question as to why toxicology tests??
I wondered earlier, why just a ring - why not take his watch? Why not take cash? why not look for more jewellery?

The police said, correct if I'm wrong that only the diamond ring was missing - as a complete inventory was taken of their belongings. (who helped with that - it doesn't say)

 My thinking is - if thieves took a very expensive diamond ring, would they not think WOW - she must have more in the townhouse?


Yet, the place was neat and tidy when the son arrived in March. No indication that anything had happened in that townhouse according to her son.

I even considered that if the place had been disturbed by thieves, then perhaps a neighbour or friend came in and tidied up - yet - the breakfast dishes were still left in the sink.
We all know, that if someone came in to tidy things up - those dishes would have been washed and put away.

While I have only alluded to things in the past, my thoughts are- that this was possibly a set up to look like robbery. 


Perhaps Murder was the motive - not robbery..

By outward appearances, it feels like it was well planned, and quickly executed - no lingering, no searching for other (easy to  conceal)  valuables in the townhouse.

In addition this was not an ultra rich Park. I would think that there would be more lucrative loot found in condo's, townhouses, etc to B&E. But then again, thieves are not fussy.

That ring with 5 diamonds each 1/2 caret  could be easily broken down into five rings with 1/2 caret each.
Yes, they could easily be resold without being easily traced, and would bypass pawn shops.
Even if murder itself was first and foremost, the killers could easily dispose of the ring that way. A backstreet jeweller would no doubt oblige.

According from what I have read about this Park,  resident's reported that the only problems they had encountered was the odd event of  breaking into cars.


Hmm - can't be too many light fingered people lurking  in that park - Someone left a Macy bag on the Pichosky's front step.

This murder was done in daylight hours - if they were targeted for the ring - nighttime would have probably been the best time to do it. Most b&e thieves like the cover of darkness when entering a home.

I also agree with posters, that entry was done at the back - dockside.

jb


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 02, 2013, 05:41:45 PM
I wonder if the DNA is from asphyxiation by hand...possibly dna from 2 different perps.  Could the toxicology test be routine in a suspicious death?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 02, 2013, 06:40:56 PM
JB your thinking exactly the same things I am thinking I also wonder how they subdued one while they strangled the first one.  For some reason this all doesnt sit right still with me.  Toxicology tests are done on every one who dies unless of old age in hospital or nursing home I believe.  But i wonder if perhaps something was in the coffee or breakfast that put them both out  making them subdued to be strangled.  Wonder if they had a maid? most down their do .  No forced entry , so did they know them?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 02, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
They may not of known them, but they may have unlocked their back sliding glass doors, to receive a delivery, and been stormed.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 03, 2013, 01:15:04 AM
for sure a possibility Jb .  I am thinking the Le need to figure out the motive as I have trouble believing it was a wedding ring, if so I am sure they could have watched and got the one wearing it alone and got the ring or at least would have only killed one instead of both of them.  The cause of death also makes me wonder, most robbers dont go to strangle people , they usually go with a weapon  such as a gun or at least a knife.  But to strangle two of them hmmmmm how would they keep the other subdued I cant help but wonder. and why not tie them up and take the ring unless the perp was known to them .  I truly believe they died so they couldnt identify the killer.  A lot of wonders in this horrific crime .
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 03, 2013, 05:33:51 AM
Looked to me that the only way to the back door (waterside) was from the water.  From what I see, there is a deck and then a gate to the boat.  I may have missed seeing another entrance on the deck, though.

The Police want to know who the woman in the video is, they are saying she is not a POI, but they need to identify her.   Well, for argument sake, let's say she is one of the Perps......IN my opinion, she is big enough to overpower a small female.  All she has to do is choke off her air supply by wrapping her arm right around her neck.  And the partner in crime could handle the husband.
And, for argument sakes, we don't know for a fact if either victim was alone and murdered, or if the perp waited for the second victim to arrive home and then murdered them.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 03, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
Because of the time of day, a.m,  perhaps they were both home at the time.  Two people arriving at the same time, would do it.
via water - highly possible Jobo. I really am only surmising.  Seems strange to me - the whole thing seems odd.
Then again, the police have 100 pieces of forensic evidence, so they claim.  So, perhaps they were not that careful.

By all accounts, they did not have any enemies.  Well loved and respected couple.
It is just that the killers took such risk, it was daytime - in the small confines of attached townhouses -

Yet, no one saw anything untoward, nor heard anything. It makes one wonder if they were familiar with the Park, and the behaviour of it's residents. Might even had observed the area (through telescope from a condo across the way.), which has been suggested.

Some amount of planning has gone into it, in my opinion.

 Cops would love to speak to this lady in hopes that she may have seen something.  Perhaps she has stepped forward, and the police have said nothing about it to the public.
Who knows?? But I think this is going to take a long time to solve. The cop said - There is no smoking gun in this case.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 03, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
If the motive was robbery;  one would imagine the perps would rob when no one is home eliminating the possibility of being seen.
Only thing is wedding rings tend to be on a persons finger. 
100 pieces is a lot of evidence; did the perps break in unprepared thinking the unit would be empty?   
Another question is why did the police interview family in Toronto months after?
Maybe the perps used a drug to sedate the couple so no evidence of a struggle.   
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 03, 2013, 12:32:43 PM
I wonder if the couple were sedated too, discus.  One whiff of Cloroform would do it..
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 03, 2013, 01:42:47 PM
I think your right Eyes.  Robbers seldom strangle victims.  If it was premeditated, they would have brought a weapon.  If they were tied up, then both could have been strangled by one person, but how do you get 2 people to sit still to get tied up separately if you don't have a weapon to threaten them? Maybe a gun was used for the threat but the perp didn't want to make loud gunshots, so strangled instead. Maybe there were 2 robbers that came in by boat.  How could nobody have seen anything in broad daylight?  Very unusual case. Wonder what kind of holdback info the cops have?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 03, 2013, 01:46:47 PM
First the cops said "multiple", people, then they said two.  Two people would do it.  A whiff of chloroform  as suggested by Jobo  would work to subdue them.

I think this murder  has been carefully planned, and very quickly executed.
I don't think robbery was the motive.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 03, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
The lady on the video is so suspicious.  Why did she walk so far over on her way back?  Had she noticed the camera and was trying to avoid being taped, or did she want to appear to be coming from the other direction and not the murder scene?  Why was she crying and was did she leave back there?  If she was innocent wouldn't she have come forward by now?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 03, 2013, 11:32:59 PM
Sap I to dont think she had anything to do with this murder and if could be she is wiping hair from her face, never though of that , as often as she seemed to wipe is what made me think she was crying but your right could be wiping hair out of her face
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 04, 2013, 08:19:45 AM
Heading toward the marina, she is walking on uneven ground.  Takes the other side coming back.
Possible allergies - thus wiping of eyes and wearing sunglasses?
Doesn't look furtively around. Just going about - her business.
JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 04, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
The ground looks pretty flat to me.  Sunglasses to hide her identity?  Most women carry a purse.  She doesn't.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 04, 2013, 01:23:32 PM
No purse!! Excellent observation Looking.

Maybe she left it in a vehicle, in which case, the cameras situated at the entrances to the Park might have captured the license plate number?  Hmm.
jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 04, 2013, 09:40:05 PM
The unidentified female in the video could be of no importance, but I can see why LE are so interested in her.  She just happens to walk down the pathway that provides the most direct access to their condo (at 10:53 am) during the critical four hour time slot, when the victims were last seen via an audio/video call at 8am, and when they failed to pick up friends for a noon hour date.

The pathway she took provides access to the rear of eight attached condos, numbers 920 to 934.  There are other pathways between the other blocks of units.  She walked alongside #920 and turned left.  The victims lived four doors to the left at #926.  I don't see a marina in this block of condos, all I see are the 8 units.  If she was unfamiliar with the area, and was to deliver her "parcel" to an address further left than this block, she would have used a different pathway when she returned.  There is another pathway between # 934 and the next block of units.  When she returned she turned toward # 926.  I also wonder why she went to the rear of the condos if she was making any kind of arranged delivery.

It bothers me that nobody has come forth to explain her presence, including her.   With all the publicity and ensuing fear surrounding the murders, I'm sure a neighbour would have reported if they saw her, or if they possibly received something from her after seeing the video.

When she turned left behind their condo, and if then immediately entered into their back entrance, she could well have gone undetected.  We can find explanations for her erratic walking pattern and the fact that she looks like she is wiping away tears when she leaves.  (She would have drawn more attention if she had hurried away from the scene).  Considering all of the above, at this time, I think that she could be an accessory to the murders.  jmo

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 04, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
For some reason I want to think she is a cleaning lady for some one near in one of the houses.  Perhaps she doesnt speak english so doesnt know they are looking for her. In my though she is only gone from site long enough to put something in a trash can perhaps she cleans more than one house in the neighbor hood so cute over as it was the direction closer to the next house she had to clean.   I have spent many weeks in time shares down there and most of the time the cleaning lady that came in didnt speak english at all or very little jmo of course .
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 05, 2013, 06:47:42 AM
The video of the woman walking is confusing.......when she first appears on CCTV, her hands look empty, then she walks out of view, but the next frames show her walking and carrying what looks like a dog or something on one arm.  The video doesn't start with her carrying something, and it doesn't seem to be sliced, (judging by the timer).

Also, judging by the video of the townhouses......seems to me it would be very suspicious if anyone came a-knocking on the waterside entrances....since there is a gate at each dock that only seems to lead to the boats docked at each apartment.  Please correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I am seeing.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 05, 2013, 09:17:29 AM
quote Jobo.
The video of the woman walking is confusing.......when she first appears on CCTV, her hands look empty, then she walks out of view, but the next frames show her walking and carrying what looks like a dog or something on one arm.  The video doesn't start with her carrying something, and it doesn't seem to be sliced, (judging by the timer).unquote

You are right Jobo.  On one of the tv interviews, somewhere, it was said that she was there  at 9:45 a.m. I remember it very vividly but did not put it up, as it was so confusing, I thought that the reporter had her times wrong.

That would explain it. Then it is snipped, altered, or changed.
And oddly,  I remember in one article, a woman who was walking her dog, later said , that her dog went to the front door, as though there was another dog there.

I will see if I can find that one.

It is all very strange ...... There has to be a simple explanation.

The following  statement is NOT ENCOURAGING

quoted from McLeans. http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/03/06/toronto-couple-killed-in-florida-by-asphyxiation-police-seek-multiple-suspects/

Note headline says seek multiple suspects.


Flournoy vowed that the culprits would be brought to justice.

“It may not be tomorrow, it may not be a month, but you know, I may be sitting home retired in 10 years, 15, 20 years, this case is going to be solved,” he said. “Trust me.”
 

jb


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Logical on December 05, 2013, 06:11:59 PM
Not sure if the reporter in the above article has inside info but asphyxiation can be more than by hand or ligature. Could be plastic bag over the head.  Asphyxia is lack of oxygen and increase in carbon dioxide in the blood. Smothering is considered under asphyxiation as well. The perp(s) could have locked them in a small space and they suffocated and this could be reported as asphyxiated.

But that report was from March 2013, maybe the police have spoken with the video woman and never updated the public?  Maybe this girl did see something and is frightened to come forward, or afraid they will pin it on her.

We can guess and speculate but not much detail has been publicized.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 05, 2013, 07:13:40 PM
Jobo, although I've seen the video from different media sources, I do vaguely recall seeing the one that shows her arrive and turn back.  It makes me wonder if she made more than one trip down the path, and it has been edited out.

JB, that may explain why you heard a different time for her arriving from what the released video time showed.

Some of the Police comments suggest to me that a female might be involved.  The Toronto Star reported (link below) LE stating that more than one person is responsible, but they wouldn't comment "on the genders" of those responsible.  Another LE statement from the Miami Herald (below) expressed being hopeful a less culpable person would be willing to step forward in exchange for a lesser sentence.  I realize that doesn't suggest a female, but it does suggest that they feel that an accessory was involved.

Eyes, if she is a cleaning lady who doesn't speak English, I still think that her employer would have recognized her in the video and told police.  All of the neighbours and the victims families were shown the video and nobody knew her. (per CBS Miami, Feb. 14)  Neighbours further away would have seen the video on TV when Police asked for the public's help, yet nobody has identified her.

Logical, you have a good point, she may be just too frightened to come forward.  If LE have found her, I think they would make some kind of statement.

My computer is acting up.  I'll supply the links shortly, hopefully.  Here they are.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/new-clue-in-canadian-couples-murder-in-hallandale/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/new-clue-in-canadian-couples-murder-in-hallandale/)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270023/hallandale-beach-snowbirds-were.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270023/hallandale-beach-snowbirds-were.html)
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/03/06/toronto (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/03/06/toronto)






Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 05, 2013, 08:17:24 PM
Thanks Have Faith.  In the Miami Herald the following statement was made,

Last month, police released a surveillance tape from Jan. 10 showing a woman leaving the back door of the couple’s unit. They are still trying to identify the woman on the tape.


That statement by all accounts must be wrong?  Her leaving the couples back door does not show up on the video that police released to the public. Also it was January 9th not January 10th -

There is a video of a reporter saying that the woman was seen earlier in the area at 9:45 am.  I will try my best to find it.  There are so many conflicting statements or possible inaccuracies by the press.

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 05, 2013, 08:52:16 PM
In the meantime Flournoy said investigators are still looking to speak with a woman caught on a neighbour’s surveillance camera walking to the rear of the slain couple’s home the day before they were found.

www.cp24.com/news/fla-police-investigate-robbery-as-murder-motive-1.1224375

This articles states the woman was on the video the day before they were found.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Logical on December 05, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
Weird , what time is the newspaper delivered? They were on FaceTime at 8am but had not brought in the paper?

I want to know what if anything was in the Macys bag, how long was it there?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 06, 2013, 11:03:21 AM
Newspapers have screwed up the day with the dates, and my timeline reflected that error, Have Faith, your timeline also reflected that error.  Otherwise it is correct.

I had to go directly to a calendar. While we have the correct days - our dates are off.
Wednesday was January 9th and Thursday is January 10th.  Their bodies were discovered on the 10th (Thursday) 6:30 pm.
Pretty bad when we have to verify the day of the week with the date.  Can't even take THAT for granted.


Now, what day and date did that woman walk around the back of this couples townhouse.??
It was January 9th, Wednesday, the day before their bodies were discovered that this woman was found walking behind their townhouse.


 jb

ps another article say they were killed on the Wednesday, another article claim they were discovered on the Friday.

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 06, 2013, 11:22:12 AM
The obituary states January 9.

The video states January 9.





modified to add correct date according to obituary
thanks havefaith;  I should double check before posting from memory which is obviously fading ???
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 06, 2013, 12:15:35 PM
I'm totally confused.  The obits say they died suddenly on Jan. 9th.


WISE, Rochelle
Suddenly on Wednesday, January 9, 2013 in Florida. Rochelle Wise, beloved wife of the late Donny Pichosky. Loving mother and mother-in-law of Dina and Ron Shapiro, Jamie and Lauren Wise, Mark and Suzanne Pichosky, and Sari and Dov Rosenblum. Dear sister and sister-in-law of Barbara and Yisrael Kolan. Devoted grandmother of Daniel, Ayden, Elle, Sophie, Teddy, Kelli, Jackie, Mitchell, Nicole, Robyn, and Adam. At Benjamin's Park Memorial Chapel, 2401 Steeles Avenue West (3 lights west of Dufferin) for service information please check www.benjamins.ca or 416-663-9060. Interment Moldaver Section of Bathurst Lawn Memorial Park. Shiva 10 Prue Avenue #203. Donations may be made to the Rochelle Wise Memorial Fund c/o The Benjamin Foundation, 3429 Bathurst Street, Toronto, M6A 2C3, 416-780-0324, www.benjamins.ca

Published in National Post on Jan. 14, 2013
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 06, 2013, 12:58:41 PM
I am thinking they died on the 9th and their bodys discovered on the tenths jmo.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 06, 2013, 03:36:35 PM
It (the confusion) began with reporters in news articles stating day and date.  They were out.

I had already posted my timeline, via their statements, and did not go to the calendar  to verify the day, with the date.(It was one article which made me go back and check the dates - that article said they were found on the Friday, the 10th.) would you believe!!) Friday was the 11th.

January 9th was a Wednesday.  So they were murdered on the Wednesday.
and the video of the woman walking around the building shows the date of the 9th.
(Thanks for the obit, which validates Wednesday, January 9th.)


Here is a Canadian article which is clear and makes sense.  Too bad I didn't find this one in the first place.

excerpt

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, Danny and Rochelle failed to show-up for a lunch date with a neighbor. The friend made several calls to the couple that were not returned. The next day, Thursday, January 10th,  at six-thirty in the evening, a friend with a spare key entered the townhouse to check on the couple. The neighbor found Donny and Rochelle dead. Shortly after the discovery, a spokesperson with the Hallandale Beach Police Department announced that the Canadian retirees had been murdered.


http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.ca/2013/01/canadian-retirees-david-pichosky-and.html
and

What police do know is that on the evening of Jan, 8,  Tuesday, the devout couple, who was married in Toronto in 2009, attended a local Jewish temple and stopped at Walmart before returning to their home in Hallandale Beach, about 20 minutes south of Fort Lauderdale. They spoke with a family member the morning of Jan. 9 using Apple’s FaceTime, their last known contact with anyone.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/05/unsolved_hallandale_beach_florida_murders_leave_family_broken_exclusive.html

There - that should clear things up. Hopefully.
So the order of events were correct.  It was the day matching up to the correct date that was off.

jb



Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 06, 2013, 04:42:38 PM
Wonder how the cops know there were 2 perps.  Two sets of fingerprints?  Maybe the ring was just hidden.  Why would 2 people kill 2 people just for a ring?  It's difficult to unload.  Unless it's dismantled and melted. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 06, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
Perhaps the police chief, Flourney left a clue in the following article.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-27/news/fl-hallandale-canadian-couple-homicide-20130127_1_chief-dwayne-fluornoy-canadian-couple-hallandale-detectives
excerpt:
At a Tuesday evening meeting with more than 75 members of the Venetian Park condo association, Fluornoy assured the residents that despite the lack of public information about the investigation, they had no reason to live in fear.

Fluornoy would not say whether anything was stolen from the couple's home and asked residents with surveillance cameras to notify police so that they could review the footage.

"Venetian Park is well off the beaten path," Fluornoy said. "For someone to come here accidentally or unintentionally … I don't see that happening."

Tyler said he interpreted Fluornoy's message to mean that the killings were not a random act of violence.

Daniel Alexander, who has lived at Venetian Park for just six months, said the chief's words left him unsettled.

"I wish I had more explanation, more details on the case," Alexander said. "Unfortunately, I'm more concerned than before, because we don't know who did it, how they did it, [and] it raises more concerns."
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 06, 2013, 08:31:46 PM
Have Faith, I am making changes to the timeline to reflect the right day of the week with the correct date/
Quote Have Faith


This a draft for a timeline.  Please feel free to add to it if you want.

Tues. Jan. 8
-attended Jewish Temple
-went to WalMart later that evening (per video)

Wedn. Jan. 9
-spoke to Toronto family at 8am via FaceTime video
-Another neighbor, Frances Chouinard, said she last greeted Pichosky on Wednesday morning (9th) when he returned home from grocery shopping.
-unidentified woman seen near their condo in video at 10:53 am (9:45?)
-missed 12pm lunch date with friends

-Thurs. January 10th. residents comments taken from http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-11/news/fl-hallandale-double-murder-folo-20130111_1_sonia-quinones-hallandale-beach-police-capt-canadian-couple

-  On Thursday morning (10), she noticed he hadn't picked up his newspaper and that a Macy's shopping bag was left    -   at his front door.
- in the afternoon Gloria Gross said her 83-pound dog, Tai-Bo, pulled her toward the unit during an afternoon walk Thursday.
"I couldn't pull him away," she said, "He was trying to literally get in through the door."
- Family and friends very concerned.
- 6:30 pm Neighbour  with spare key goes to townhouse-
- This neighbour picked up the newspaper from the front door and brought it in. (no mentioning of the Macy bag)
- Discovers bodies.

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 06, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
That's great JB thanks.  The funny thing is I originally had the right dates, and then changed them to the wrong ones.  I'll delete my timeline post.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 06, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
looking I am search and trying to find where you say the Le said there were to perps, I have had no luck where did you find that from please?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 06, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
It would be good to know what time the newspaper and the Macy's bag was delivered, if the last known contact was at 8 a.m. on the 9th.  Also, at what times people were calling and the couple didn't answer their phones. 

Whatever happened, was done between 8a.m. on the 9th (facetime call) and the time of the first unanswered phone call to their apartment.  I suppose that is why the Police want to identify this woman on the CCTV......see what she was doing.....

 What I want to know is why does the dog appear and then disappear again from her arms?  Seems to me, she switches arms when she reaches the corner of the townhouse, waterside....(her back is to the camera, but due to her arm motions, looks to me like she is getting a leash  out of the way of the dog after she switches arms.)  But, where is the dog when she reappears and is constanly wiping her eyes?
Even the CCTV doesn't make much sense....IF that is a dog.

Thanks for getting all the dates/times down on this thread.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 07, 2013, 03:40:05 AM
Jellybean, can you add the dog lunging at their door to the timeline?  Not sure what time that was.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 11:05:38 AM
Some further corrections, and I have provided the links to show the changes.


Tues. Jan. 8
-attended Jewish Temple
-went to WalMart later that evening (per video)

Wedn. Jan. 9
-spoke to Toronto family at 8am via FaceTime video
-Another neighbor, Frances Chouinard, said she last greeted Pichosky on Wednesday morning (9th) when he returned home from grocery shopping.
-unidentified woman seen near their condo in video at 10:53 am (9:45?)
-missed 12pm lunch date with friends

-Thurs. January 10th. residents comments taken from http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-11/news/fl-hallandale-double-murder-folo-20130111_1_sonia-quinones-hallandale-beach-police-capt-canadian-couple

-  On Thursday morning (10), she noticed he hadn't picked up his newspaper and that a Macy's shopping bag was left    -   at his front door.
- in the afternoon Gloria Gross said her 83-pound dog, Tai-Bo, pulled her toward the unit during an afternoon walk Thursday.
"I couldn't pull him away," she said, "He was trying to literally get in through the door."

- Family and friends very concerned.
-  6:30 pm -Neighbour  with spare key goes to townhouse-
- This neighbour picked up the newspaper from the front door and brought it in. (no mentioning of the Macy bag)
- Discovers bodies

This is the link that speaks of this couples regular habits.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01-27/news/fl-hallandale-canadian-couple-homicide-20130127_1_chief-dwayne-fluornoy-canadian-couple-hallandale-detectives

The couple generally arrived in South Florida in October and stayed until May, said Michael Platt, Pichosky's Hallandale neighbor and friend since 1989.

"They were unbelievably wonderful. They were adventurous, wonderful people," Platt said. "He wouldn't hurt a flea."

Neighbors said the couple were "on the go all the time" and were known for taking morning walks, leaving daily at about 8 a.m. and returning by 9:30. They regularly went out to lunch or dinner with friends and were almost always home no later than 9 p.m.


That's it for me -

jb.


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 07, 2013, 01:28:12 PM
Maybe the unidentified woman was carrying a Macys bag?  I don't think it's a dog.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 01:47:46 PM
Question:  If the newspaper had not been picked up until January 10Th, by neighbour who entered with key:
Quote son Jamie from the the following link
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/05/unsolved_hallandale_beach_florida_murders_leave_family_broken_exclusive.html
 A newspaper on the table was dated Jan. 9, the day before a neighbour discovered the bodies of the well-loved Toronto couple, dead in what police quickly deemed a double homicide.
“It was surreal because the house wasn’t ransacked. It was perfect,” Wise, 38, said. “It was difficult trying to visualize what happened in there.”

Then why were there not two newspapers - one for the 9th and one for the 10th? Yet, there was only one newspaper in their townhouse mentioned, and it was January 9th.
Why no newspaper for the 10th??

Also - did this couple have a yacht, or was it empty, and only used for visitors??
There was never any mentioning that they loved to go yachting.

Strange......Then again, everything about this horrible event is strange.
My heart truly goes out to this family.
Anyone who had this couple as a friend or as a neighbour were truly blessed in having them.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 07, 2013, 03:55:44 PM
Yes, we don't know if it was a daily paper, or not. 
 But then again, what I am gathering is that it says "A newspaper on the table was dated Jan. 9"  and it also says:   "On Thursday morning (10) she noticed he hadn't picked up his newspaper and that a Macy's shopping bag was left."

I don't even know what colour a Macy's bag is...as I have never been to one of their stores.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on December 07, 2013, 05:52:09 PM
Macy's seem to have a variety of shopping bags.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=macy's+shopping+bags&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ULSjUve8IcjqoASGx4G4BA&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=642
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 06:32:17 PM
Jobo, the only thing that I can think of, is that the woman who said that the newspaper wasn't picked up, was wrong on the day.  Perhaps it was picked up by the couple on Wednesday, January 9th.  We can get our days mixed up.
Very easily, I would think.  In addition, who knows how accurate the press was in reporting this.

After going through, on my part, reading so many reports, with the wrong day hooked up to the wrong date, by the American Press, what can one believe?

Suffice to say, to avoid confusion, something happened to this couple from the time they made that phone call, at 8:00 am, and 12 noon when they did not show up to pick up their friends for lunch.

That is a four hour window.

I really think that the FBI should be brought into this.  First and foremost, these were Canadian citizens - and as hard as the Police Chief of Broward County is attempting to solve this, it is obvious by his statements that this is way over his head. 

First he said - multiple people are involved.
Then he said, perhaps two people were involved.
Then he said, that residents have nothing to worry about
Then he said, that this couple did not know the killers.
Then he said, we will have to go back to our original theories and start over
Then he said, that it may take 5 years, etc., and he may even be retired, before this will be solved.

Can't do it?  Then turn it over, please to the FBI, and don't be ashamed if you should.  You have done your best.
It would take courage to turn it over to the FBI.  Just let it go.

Just my humble opinion.  But hopefully, I make sense.

JB



Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 07, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
That's funny Jellybean, but you're right.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
to quote myself  :-[
Regarding the Police Chief of Boward;
First he said - multiple people are involved.
Then he said, perhaps two people were involved.
Then he said, that residents have nothing to worry about
Then he said, that this couple did not know the killers.
Then he said, we will have to go back to our original theories and start over
Then he said, that it may take 5 years, etc., and he may even be retired, before this will be solved ::)

Looking.  Right on! :)

On a light note: which has nothing to do with the PC of Broward.

Should we bring in the almighty Inspector Jacques  Clouseau of the Pink Panther??

To quote from one of  Inspector Clouseau's famous lines :

Commissioner Sir Charles Braithwaite: I think it only fair to say that your being brought in on this case was not my idea.

Inspector Jacques Clouseau: You are too modest.

Tongue in cheek here, but seriously, FBI should be brought in. IMO time to turn it over to the Big Guns!!

  Pichosky and Wise were  Canadians, foremost,  not to be treated as " Snowbirds"
 Upstanding  Canadian citizens who were murdered in another Country. And I stand firm on that!!

jb :)
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 07, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
What's the standard procedure for giving up on a case.  Admitting it' time to give someone else a kick at the can.
Publicise all the clues and let US figure it out.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
The Canadian Consular, and family can only bring about the change of investigation.
jmo
I am thinking that will take time and constant pressure.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 07, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
This is what puzzles me too--how can LE state that the killers were unknown to the victims but the community doesn't have to worry about their safety.  The only thing I can think of is "hired killers".  I wonder if the investigators trip to Toronto unearthed info to support this theory?  But you wouldn't refer to an assassination as "senseless".  Senseless is killing two wonderful, upstanding people for a ring.



 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 07, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
Yes, Jellybean, I agree, it sounds like this couple was murdered within that 4 hour window....maybe even before the first unanswered incoming phone call.
And....almost one year has passed without any concrete answers.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 10:30:34 PM
Perhaps I am in a bad mood about this whole fiasco.  There is something here that is not adding up.

Robbers, or B&E people looking for that ring, would have done something differently - the cops would have figured that out, and  by checking their data base,  a long time ago, would have looked for something similar, checking out fingerprints against their data base, etc, etc, By this time, one would think that they would have some leads. Yet the last word of the Police Chief, said that it may take years to solve.

That is why I hope that the family insists that the FBI handles it.

If left in the hands of the local police force... well, you can see that they have not made any headway.

Just back to square one and their original theories.  The local police have met up with a deadlock.
No where to go, but back to their original theories.  May be good - but may lead to nowhere, as it didn't the first time around, who knows.  One can always hope.......

Hope isn't good enough however, in my opinion, this should be taken out of the hands of the police of Broward County and placed into the hands of the FBI.  The FBI works well with all of our Canadian law enforcement agencies, as we Canadians well know,  and between the two of them, they will make better headway then a Police Chief from a small County in the USA.
No disrespect to this man is intended.

I am sure that that this PC wishes that that this murder of Canadians never happened in his jurisdiction.

Rochelle Wise's son was left with making all of the arrangements for the return of both of their bodies, further continuing arrangements were made by him. I feel extremely very sorry for his shock and pain.   Obviously, he loved his mother very deeply. I am so sorry that he lost a wonderful mother.

So terribly tragic all the way around.  Shocking actually.

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 07, 2013, 10:37:20 PM
www.jewishtribune.ca/news/2013/10/30/florida-police-still-stymied-in-pichosky-wise-killings


OCTOBER 30, 2013 |

inShare

Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise were a much-loved couple.
HALLANDALE BEACH, FL – It’s been almost 10 months but police are still sifting through evidence pertaining to the unsolved murders of retired Canadian husband and wife Donny Pichosky and Rochelle Wise.
The much-loved and respected Toronto couple were asphyxiated to death in their Hallandale Beach townhome on Jan. 9, yet police seem no closer to catching the killers than they were when the bodies were discovered on Jan. 10. The $51,000 reward announced in March has gone unclaimed and a woman seen on surveillance video taken outside the home on the day of the murders has yet to be identified after police went public with it in February.
“We’re still pouring through some of the evidence,” said Hallandale Beach Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy. “Believe it or not, we still haven’t gotten everything back from the lab, and we’re still just going through the case and reviewing video and encouraging [community] members to assist us with identifying the one lady that’s in the video.... We really, really want to talk to that person in the video.”
The knowledge that the killers are still at large cannot be reassuring for Canadian snowbirds who are preparing to return to Florida as the cold weather approaches. Yet Flournoy said that police security was already at an “enhanced” level in the neighbourhood at the time that Pichosky and Wise were killed and it has not been increased.
“We still say that our community is safe,” said Flournoy. “There’s no reason to not return and we will continue to investigate this case.”
Neither Flournoy nor the FBI would say whether the FBI has gotten involved in the case. The RCMP has not been called in, according to Flournoy.
“We are reaching out with other law enforcement partners to assist us with this case,” Flournoy said, adding that Toronto Police Service is still helping out on an ongoing basis but he has no plans to return to Toronto.
Police have kept a tight lid on information about the case but Flournoy said his office intends to release new details sometime in January.
The Tribune also asked Florida Governor Rick Scott, Consul General of Canada in Miami Louise Leger and the Greater Fort Lauderdale Convention and Visitors Bureau what, if anything, they were doing to allay Canadians’ fears and ensure their safety, but none responded before deadline.
 



 
 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 07, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Good find discus.  That article certainly addresses the current issues just discussed.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 07, 2013, 11:05:36 PM
Thank you Discus.  Still nothing new - no questions answered, whether FBI is involved, or ---
Filled up air space., or paper space.
Thanks Discus, this article validates at this time, my feelings on the whole matter.

Jb
 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 07, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
Yes, thanks for the article, discus. 
Has anyone here seen a picture of the ring?  I do realize though that it may have been altered.  But, there is an off chance it hasn't been altered, and a female is wearing it. 
When and if they release new details in January, that would be the one year anniversary of this couple's murder, but it is encouraging to know there is still info to come back from the lab tests, the case is very much still active.  Maybe they will get a break in the case with some of these results.

I looked on wikipedia, and Hallandale Beach, where this couple was murdered, has a population of 37,000+....(just as a side note).
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 07, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
something just dawned on me , because we read asfixiated we assumed strangled couldnt that also mean if a gas source was turned on and they died from carbon monoxide? just wondering any one know
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: debbiec on December 07, 2013, 11:46:27 PM
something just dawned on me , because we read asfixiated we assumed strangled couldnt that also mean if a gas source was turned on and they died from carbon monoxide? just wondering any one know

There are many different forms of asphyxia mentioned at the link below. Suffocation by poisonous gases is among them.

http://www.webhealthcentre.com/HealthyLiving/first_aid_drown.aspx
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 08, 2013, 07:30:21 AM
I was also thinking hard about the word "asphyxiated" last night....seriously wondering what method was used.  I do lean towards thinking that some kind of poisonous chemical/gas was used.

Oh, and thanks SAP for the link on Macy's shopping bags.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 08, 2013, 09:43:39 AM

Here is a picture of Rochelle's ring.  I read that it was unique in that it could open to fit over the knuckle.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/04/robbery-may-be-behind-murder-of-toronto-couple-in-florida/ (http://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/04/robbery-may-be-behind-murder-of-toronto-couple-in-florida/)
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 08, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
Asphyxiation can also happen by placing a plastic bag over ones head. and the bottom of it bound up.  Carbon monoxide builds up - and suffocation takes place. No special equipment or drugs  necessary'
I am not saying that this was the case, just saying that is another way to achieve it.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 08, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Or strangled leaving dna evidence on the body from perps hands.
I wonder how the perp knew the ring was of great value.  There are alot of impressive cubic zirconias out there.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 08, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
I wondered about that too.  I wouldn't know the difference between a fake and a genuine ring.  Would the perps risk robbing and killing for a possible fake ring?  They must have known it was real.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 08, 2013, 05:20:00 PM
I find it's hard to distinguish between platinum, white gold and silver. 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 08, 2013, 06:18:54 PM
So that would narrow down the suspects to people who know jewellery and people who knew the ring was real.
But here's a theory:  There's a perp at the front door with a Macys' bag and the mystery lady at the back door with a Macys' bag , and they both have guns in the bags but want to make it look like they're doing deliveries.  Once either door is opened, they both gain access because they have guns.  They tie up the victims at gunpoint then suffocate them and take the ring?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 08, 2013, 06:25:42 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071021224359AAbFMi5

The current New York Spot price is (per ounce):
Platinum - $1431.00
 Gold - $752.90
 Palladium - $357.00
 Silver - $13.46

 The difference between white and yellow gold is roughly the same due to the gold content of equal carat amounts being equal (gold content of 14kt white gold = gold content of 14kt yellow gold).

 The current market price for titanium is about $25/lb which equates to $1.56 per ounce. Titanium is much harder to work with than gold therefore the labor cost of a piece of jewelry made from titanium makes the price of titanium jewelry in the same ballpark as lower kt gold pieces.

 Titanium for a ring has the following advantages/disadvantages:
 ADVANTAGES:
 - Titanium is non-allergenic (non-reactive to human skin)
 - Titanium is harder than gold therefore does not scratch as easily
 DISADVANTAGES:
 - Titanium rings cannot be resized
 - Titanium rings cannot be cut off as easily as gold in the event of a pinch incident

 Other notes:
- Platinum has the same problem as Titanium of not being able to resize it. Both metals have a very high melting point so fixing/resizing involves welding vs. soldering as in gold.
- White gold is generally plated with Rhodium every so often. 14kt white gold has a very slight tint of yellow. 18kt white gold can look almost as yellow as a dim yellow gold piece of jewelry.
 - Platinum does NOT need to be coated, is much harder than gold, about the same as rhodium, and generally wears by microscratching vs. gold having larger scratches. This makes platinum look more "buffed" than scratched.

Source:

http://www.kitco.com/market/
 6 months personal experience with engagement ring
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: debbiec on December 08, 2013, 06:27:25 PM
So that would narrow down the suspects to people who know jewellery and people who knew the ring was real.

Not necessarily. We don't know if the motive was robbery. I believe it was JB who felt that the motive may have been murder and that stealing the ring was just convenient. At this point we simply don't know.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 08, 2013, 07:10:03 PM
Is the platinum similar to a stainless steel?  It almost has a dull grey look.
It had 2.5 carrot in diamonds so let's say:2.5X6000=15000 for the stones and 1000 for the setting.  Depending on the quality of diamonds, a person who knows their diamonds likely would have known up close.   That means someone had close contact with them: like the clerk at the Walmart Store behind the counter.  Is there significance to that Walmart video? 
As mentionned above, could it just have been a convenient thing to take to make the motive appear to be robbery? 
There has been some family background investigation done but no details released.
 Police are still curious about the lady in the video with the package/dog etc?  Perhaps she was a self employed cleaning lady?   Someone would have known if they had a person cleaning the house I imagine.  Perplexing.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on December 08, 2013, 11:46:55 PM
At the link there are several rings and there is one grouping ... 4 similar rings done in platinum, white gold, gold and a pink gold; I think gives the best impression of platinum in there.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=color+picture+of+platinum+ring&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2FSlUsTpCIz6kQfUjIDAAQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=642#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=OXSo2LwrtXqZ_M%3A%3BMJsTPy5FAogOaM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mazaldiamond.com%252Fblog-en%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2011%252F05%252F1813group.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mazaldiamond.com%252Fblog-en%252Fengagement-ring-buying-guide-gold-or-platinum%252F%3B548%3B469


Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2013, 09:07:21 AM
This excerpt has been taken from the Hallendale Police Depart website.
http://www.hallandalebeachfl.gov/index.aspx?NID=832

This is something that we missed and explains why the mystery woman is important to the investigation.

The investigation also revealed video near the incident location depicting what appears to be a heavy set female walking between town houses at the time of the incident. The female has not been identified. See video of the unidentified female.

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on December 17, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
I think she was involved.  She saw something and that's why she's crying.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 17, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
Exposure to something like chloroform vapours can cause stinging, closure of the eyes. 
She does seem to be wiping her eyes, are they sore, is she crying or is she just wiping her eyes constantly to obscure her face more from the CCTV?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2013, 08:15:20 PM
Quote SAP
 I also thought there was a marina back there, and there wasn't  unquote

I am confused.  I see water there. Am I missing something?
jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: discus on December 17, 2013, 08:59:12 PM
The water is like a channel, the condos are on a type of island.
Now I really want to know what she was carrying in the video.   I wonder why there isn't footage in the parking lot of her getting into a vehicle?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on December 18, 2013, 02:42:18 PM
What I understand from the video of the woman walking, and the video from the real estate, is that each of those townhomes have a dock for their boat....and the docks are on a canal.   I am not sure if I saw a walkway though.....seemed to me there was a gate on the deck for the townhome (realtor's video) that lead directly to the moored boat.  But the video of the woman walking, shows her go around the corner on the waterside (you can see a duck or goose or something swim by as she is walking).....her heading around the corner leads me to believe there must be a sidewalk.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on December 19, 2013, 10:39:52 AM
There is a connecting line of wooden docks behind the townhouses. I think I can see a narrow walkway between the condos' backyards and the docks, which gets wider in the public areas.  Regardless, the docks would provide a way to walk behind the condos.

If you type in their address-926 NE 25th Ave., Hallendale Beach, Fla in Google Maps, it takes you to the wrong address.  Instead enter NE 25 Ave. --stay out of street view--but zero in and look a bit north just above NE 9th St.  You can see the pathway taken by the woman at 920 NE 25th Ave.  There is the small tree and the mailboxes.  By staying "just" out of street view, you can see the docks that run along the back of the condos.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on January 07, 2014, 05:05:56 PM
I just read on the news feed that there is going to be an up-date on this double homicide, on tomorrow's news.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on January 07, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
please post the update
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on January 08, 2014, 10:24:24 AM
The news is carrying the up-dates, and I only caught the end of the news special....but they have a shoe print, but no size, and they have DNA from two females, unidentified.  They have released a sketch of one female they are interested to identify (the one from the video).  Also, the reward has been upped.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: justsayin on January 08, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Police in Florida say two women were involved in the killing of a Toronto couple inside their Hallandale Beach winter home a year ago.

Hallandale Police chief Dwayne Flournoy, flanked by family and friends of victims David Pichosky, 71, and Rochelle Wise, 66, told media gathered Wednesday at a Hallandale Beach police station that DNA collected from the crime scene indicate that the perpetrators are “at least” two females.

The police chief said the DNA doesn’t match family members of either victim, nor does it match DNA of workers, maids or maintenance people that would have been permitted into the couple’s condo.

A search of DNA in criminal databases has hasn’t turned up any matches, he said, adding it is likely Pichosky and Wise did not know their assailants.

Flournoy said a motive has yet to be established, but noted Wise’s wedding ring was the only item taken from the condo belonging to the well-liked Toronto couple.

The investigation has also produced an “outer sole” shoe impression of an Adidas Supernova running shoe — a shoe that was discontinued in 2000 - and Flournoy is positive it belonged to one of the women in question.

A composite sketch was released of a woman seen on a video walking in the area of the crime scene. The video, which has been in police possession since early on in the investigation, has been shown to residents in the close-knit residential community but nobody recognizes the woman.

Flournoy said investigators have received two of three rounds of evidence that were sent to a crime lab for testing, and are still waiting for the third round.

The bodies of Pichosky and Wise were discovered on Jan. 10, 2013. after friends living in the area called police after the couple failed to show up for an appointment. The state’s medical examiner subsequently determined the couple died of asphyxiation.

Flournoy said Wednesday both Pichosky and Wise had been bound, but would not say with what, or exactly how they were killed.

“We’re going to solve this case — we have a tremendous amount of data,” Flournoy said, adding that other law enforcement bodies — including the FBI — are now assisting with what he called a “complex” case.

David Pichosky’s son, David, said he was “appealing to the public or anyone who knows about this crime” to contact the police and help bring closure to both families.

Pearl Gladman, a close friend of Wise, also pleaded for those with information to come forward.

“They were two very special people,” said Gladman. “If you know anything that would help the Hallandale Police ... please come forward and help all of us put this to bed.

“They really loved (Florida), and it really hurts me that their lives ended in a place they loved.”
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jobo on January 08, 2014, 02:42:10 PM
This might sound crazy, but right from the beginning of this double murder, knowing that the expensive ring was taken....my thoughts went to a guy doing this crime to get the ring for his girlfriend.....well with the latest news that they are looking for two women....my thinking has only changed to say a woman wanted this ring for another woman....and in my opinion, that was the motive, that ring.   

The news is talking about Pawn Shops, but I feel that the perp is wearing the ring.   Too bad they haven't shown a picture of the ring on a billboard... a billboard with the ring and the shoe....I have only heard it described, I have not seen a pic.
   I heard on the TV that credit cards were also taken, but have not been used.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on January 08, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
I'm thinking this was possibly an uneducated, low income, lesbian couple.  The shoe was at least 13 yrs old, so either she was broke or it was a very good quality shoe. I'd like to see the composite sketch of the one woman.  It should be circulated in the gay community.  It could also be a couple of straight crackheads, but they tend to be slimmer.  There aren't many women killers.  Aileen Wuornos comes to mind first.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 08, 2014, 07:14:26 PM
I'm thinking this was possibly an uneducated, low income, lesbian couple.  The shoe was at least 13 yrs old, so either she was broke or it was a very good quality shoe. I'd like to see the composite sketch of the one woman.  It should be circulated in the gay community.  It could also be a couple of straight crackheads, but they tend to be slimmer.  There aren't many women killers.  Aileen Wuornos comes to mind first.

After I got over the shock of it being two women, I also thought  it might be a lesbian couple.

I wonder what ruse they used to gain entry to this couples home??

I believe the composite drawing of the woman, is from the video? - and there is no composite drawing of the other woman??

To murder for a ring?? Unbelievable.


JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on January 08, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
composite pic.  http://globalnews.ca/news/1069245/at-least-two-suspects-involved-in-death-of-toronto-couple-in-florida-police/
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: debbiec on January 08, 2014, 08:15:21 PM
Hallandale Beach police release a composite sketch of a female suspect in the murder of a Toronto couple last year in Florida.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Miracle on January 08, 2014, 09:57:47 PM
Scary looking woman!
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: Have faith on January 09, 2014, 10:48:51 AM
I've bumped the video of the woman in case anyone wants to take another look.  It is surprising how much facial detail is included in the composite sketch, although it is possible that an unsuspecting eyewitness has come forward and assisted in the composition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAujV0a1fBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAujV0a1fBY)


There is a short glimpse of the docks running behind the victim's condo in this news video.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Hallandale-Beach-Police-Release-Video-in-Canadian-Couples-Murder-191237891.html (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Hallandale-Beach-Police-Release-Video-in-Canadian-Couples-Murder-191237891.html)

Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 09, 2014, 01:44:05 PM
How nonchalant and brazen of this woman.  I can't believe it.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on January 09, 2014, 06:34:39 PM
I assume her accomplice was already in the house with the victims, and she was called to make a delivery of some kind. Since she was crying when she came back, she had witnessed something disturbing at the delivery.  I don't think she was comfortable with what she was doing but was coerced by a more dominant lover or friend who must have had a gun to gain control over the couple.  .
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on January 09, 2014, 06:47:45 PM
I assume her accomplice was already in the house with the victims, and she was called to make a delivery of some kind. Since she was crying when she came back, she had witnessed something disturbing at the delivery.  I don't think she was comfortable with what she was doing but was coerced by a more dominant lover or friend who must have had a gun to gain control over the couple.  .

Sadly, I agree.

Why not hold them up, by gun point, bind them, and take the damn ring?
Why murder them??

They did nothing wrong other than being kind people, and vulnerable because of their age and their belief's in the goodness of people.

Robbery? - it goes on all of the time - Murder? Senseless!!

These murders were committed in broad daylight...in their own secure, and private home.. yet , no one heard anything, no one saw anything.

I hope the residents will now insist upon a closed gated community, with guards.  Cough up the extra bucks every month for pete's sake.

Seems to me, anyone can walk through this area.  Camera's just don't cut it.  Cameras are after the fact.
It does nothing for security on a real time basis.  This NEVER SHOULD OF HAPPENED.
Blessings to the family.

jb
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on January 09, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
I'm a firm believer in keeping big dogs for protection.  What kind of losers do something like this?  Florida has the death penalty doesn't it?  :)
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on February 01, 2014, 03:33:52 PM
Here is a recent article giving more detail. (I don't believe this one has been posted)

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2014-01-08/news/fl--canadian-couple-hallandale-homicide-update-20140108_1_rochelle-wise-pichosky-dna-database

January 8, 2014|By Tonya Alanez, Sun Sentinel

Excerpts:

HALLANDALE BEACH — One year after a Canadian couple were slain in their Hallandale winter home, police are now saying at least two unidentified women were involved in the killings.

At a news conference on Wednesday, police talked about a break in the double slaying that rocked this tucked-away, normally tranquil neighborhood.
At the crime scene, police recovered the DNA of two female "perpetrators" who are not related to each other, Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy said.

"That's what the evidence shows, that's what the science tells us. There are two female individuals involved in this homicide," Flournoy said.

Flournoy called the killings "atypical," because violent homicides don't generally involve female suspects.

The DNA profiles don't match anyone in the couple's family or anyone who normally had access to the couple's residence, the police chief said. Flournoy would not divulge any other information about the DNA, but said it is submitted daily to a nationwide DNA database and quarterly to a Canadian DNA database.

"It's only a matter of time before we get our match," he said.

The couple likely didn't know their attackers, police said.

Flournoy emphasized the importance of identifying a woman seen on surveillance video recorded near the couple's townhome on the morning police believe they were killed.

"What we have been able to do is have a forensic artist do a sketch of that female from the video surveillance," he said. "We believe the identity of this female is critical and important to this case."

The sketch is being circulated in the hopes of turning up leads in the case.

jb




Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on May 05, 2014, 12:59:56 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/01/09/numerous-tips-in-pichosky-wise-murder-police-chief

Numerous tips in Pichosky-Wise murder: Police chief  18

 By Terry Davidson   ,Toronto Sun 
First posted:  Thursday, January 09, 2014 08:43 PM EST  | Updated:  Friday, January 10, 2014 06:02 AM EST


Tips have been pouring in to Florida police since a press conference held Wednesday detailing new evidence in the case of a Toronto couple killed in their Hallandale Beach winter home last year.

Hallandale Police Chief Dwayne Flournoy told the Toronto Sun Thursday that his investigators have “taken in a considerable amount of tips,” since respective family members and friends of 71-year-old David Pichosky and 66-year-old Rochelle Wise — both found dead in their townhouse on Jan. 10, 2013 — made an emotional plea for people with information about the double killing to come forward to police.

It was announced at Wednesday’s press conference that DNA evidence indicated two women committed the crime. Several pieces of key evidence were also introduced, including the composite sketch of a woman seen in video footage roaming around the couple’s home, a picture of Wise’s wedding ring that was stolen, and the image of the sole print of an Adidas running shoe found at the crime scene.

Flournoy said the one-year mark of the couple’s murder is significant when it comes to grabbing people’s attention, and that investigators wanted to accumulate enough evidence and control its release so as to not “use up resources on weak leads.”

But these leads, he said, are all currently being considered significant for now.

“They are all good (leads) until they are proven otherwise,” said Flournoy, who would only say that the number of leads that have come in is in the “double digits.”

Most of the calls have been about the composite sketch of the woman seen in the video, he said. Police have had the video since February, but up until Wednesday have had zero luck in finding anyone who recognizes the woman.

He also said the impression of the running shoe sole is important because it belongs to an Adidas Supernova that was discontinued in 2000. Flournoy said few people would have running shoes that old, and hopes someone will know another who has been wearing shoes like that.

“I’m a runner, (and) I have a ton of shoes, but I don’t have shoes from 2000,” Flournoy said. “Those shoes have been in someone’s closet ... We thought that was significant.”
 


 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: SAP on May 05, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
Thanks JB. I believe they will be able to solve this case.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on May 24, 2014, 03:44:25 PM
I believe that they will be caught, only if they are arrested for something else, and some police force, will make a possible connection to the murders of this couple. 

It doesn't have to murder, but perhaps a similar M.O in break-ins.

Blessing to the families of this couple.

JB
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on May 24, 2014, 08:06:00 PM
I bet they've left the state by now.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: looking on February 03, 2015, 10:00:43 AM
no updates on this unusual case?
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 18, 2016, 12:51:57 PM
First thought that I had when I saw this pic.... was Gypsy!! Gypsies know jewelry very well.
They  are involved in "swarming" in jewelry stores in Alberta.

Subsequently, I found this link;
Note: Mentioning of Serbia and Bosnia in the link
This is  some of the history of Gypsies in the U.S

http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/migrations/gyp/gypstart.html

excerpts:

The Rom

The Rom arrived in the United States from Serbia, Russia and Austria-Hungary beginning in the 1880's, part of the larger wave of immigration from southern and eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Primary immigration ended, for the most part, in 1914, with the beginning of the First World War and subsequent tightening of immigration restrictions (Salo and Salo 1986). Many people in this group specialized in coppersmith work, mainly the repair and retinning of industrial equipment used in bakeries, laundries, confectioneries, and other businesses. The Rom, too, developed the fortune-telling business in urban areas.

Ludar

The Ludar, or "Romanian Gypsies," also came to the United States during the great immigration from southern and eastern Europe between 1880 and 1914. Most of the Ludar came from northwestern Bosnia. Upon their arrival in the United States they specialized as animal trainers and showpeople, and indeed passenger manifests show bears and monkeys as a major part of their baggage. Most of de Wendler-Funaro's photographs of this group were taken in Maspeth, a section of the borough of Queens in New York City, where the Ludar created a "village" of homemade shacks that existed from about 1925 to 1939, when it was razed. A similar settlement stood in the Chicago suburbs during the same period.
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Flournoy said he hopes the fresh testing generates tips from the public in a case that has sent investigators to Toronto, New York City, several parts of Florida and Georgia.
“We’ve exhausted our lists of potential witnesses, potential suspects,” Flournoy said.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 18, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
I am quite convinced that they were murdered by gypsies.

Look what I found thru google - Hallendale Florida gypsies.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-07-03/news/fl-gypsy-crime-groups-20110703_1_gypsy-criminals-bunco-investigators-police-focus/2

Police focus on South Florida 'gypsy' crimes sparks criticism from Roma advocates
July 3, 2011|By Alexia Campbell, Sun Sentinel
Aside from the Sears till-tap conviction, Owens is accused of stealing $1,700 from a North Miami Beach Sears and nearly $500 from a Hialeah Sears in February 2010.

Lanier suspects a relative of hers is behind a similar theft at a Boynton Beach Target in November.

"The women are the moneymakers," Lanier said. "They can go up and down the coast making $40,000 in a couple of days."

Owens, who has more than a dozen aliases, lived until recently at a Hallandale Beach condo and drove a Porsche, Lanier said. Her whereabouts are unknown.

In Broward County, the most common gypsy crimes these days are the home-invasion distractions, according to the Broward Sheriff's Office and Fort Lauderdale police.

In many cases, the criminals scout supermarkets for elderly victims with expensive jewelry and follow them home.

Two men, usually posing at utility workers, knock on the door and say they need to check water pipes. One of them ends up spilling "acid" on the victim's hand and insists on washing it immediately, slipping off diamond rings unnoticed.

Two well-known gypsy brothers from the Michigan-area were arrested in 2009 for similar thefts in Boca Raton and Parkland.

Anthony Miller, 29, who Nolte identified as one of the gypsy brothers, was arrested in June 2009 for allegedly posing as a water inspector and slipping a $100,000 diamond ring off the finger of an 87-year-old Parkland woman, the Sheriff's Office said.

Boca Raton police still are looking for his brother, Danny Miller, 30, in connection with a ring stolen from a 74-year-old woman at her home in Boca Towers Condominium in February 2009.

"We have lots of gypsy crimes, and it's no longer seasonal," wrote Broward Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal in an email.




Although police have made an effort to replace the term "gypsy crime" with "transient crime," some Romani advocates say it's not enough.

Ian Hancock, a Romani professor of English and linguistics at the University of Texas, says police are spreading "romaphobia."

They wouldn't be able to get away with using terms like "Jewish" crime or "African-American" crimes, said Hancock, who oversees the university's Romani Archives and Documentation Center.

"Certainly we have criminals amongst our population, and they should be punished… But for being criminals, not for being Roma," he said.
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on April 18, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
Further to above-
http://www.policemag.com/channel/gangs/articles/2001/06/gypsies-kings-of-con.aspx

Does this method sound familiar?

excerpt

Home Invasions

We're not talking about the armed take-over, so common among many gangs. This is better known as a residential burglary and methods vary. This is usually done by the Polish Gypsies; usually committed in the daytime and while the homeowners are present. Entrance may be through a back door or window or by distraction at the front door. Commonly, there will be two women (with or without children) walking in an affluent neighborhood and speaking a foreign language. A male driver will be close by, usually in a rental car, to aid in a quick escape.

A few years ago, in McLain, Virginia, Alexander Haig's wife was gardening in front of their home. At the same time the residence was entered from the rear and $654,000 worth of jewelry was taken. Gypsies.

This type of Gypsy crime is easy to detect since only jewelry, silver, gold or cash is taken and nothing has been disturbed.

Distraction Thefts

Better known as a store-diversion robbery, suspects will be European or Yugoslavian Gypsies but described by victims as "foreign-speaking" or "Latin/Hispanic." The crime is not planned in advance but more of a "mood" thing. The key is to create a diversion of some sort by five, eight or even 12 males and/or females. After calm is restored, the store usually discovers all of its cash has mysteriously disappeared. Violence is never used but total confusion and pandemonium reign during the theft.

This can be very rewarding. How about $42,000 taken from a supermarket and a three-month crime spree by four Gypsy women resulting in $500,000 in
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on May 29, 2016, 06:19:56 PM
Remember when we were  commenting on the woman walking towards the back with a package of some sort in her hand?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/florida-investigators-say-two-women-behind-2013-killing-of-canadian-couple/article29630984/

Florida police 'one lead away' from solving 2013 murder of Toronto couple
HALLANDALE BEACH, Fla. — The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, Apr. 14, 2016 1:01PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Apr. 14, 2016 1:08PM EDT

snippet from article:

“We have a great deal of information and evidence, we’re just missing one tip,” Flournoy said at a news conference. “We’re just one lead away from solving this case.”

Flournoy said the killings were likely motivated by robbery as Wise’s one-of-a-kind wedding band previously valued at $16,000 was the only item taken from the couple’s home.

The ring was designed with a special clasp to accommodate Wise’s arthritis, he said, adding searches of local pawn shops and jewellers have been fruitless.

He said police have evidence suggesting the fatal confrontation began at the couple’s front door, adding the suspects brought items into the home that have helped produce the DNA evidence.

Flournoy said previously released video footage shot around the couple’s home showing a woman feeding nearby ducks is still believed to be central to solving the case.

He said the woman in the video bears similar characteristics to the profile produced by the DNA phenotyping, a process that allows experts to make predictions about physical traits based on genetic information.

“The way it was explained to me this morning is that it’s like a weather prediction. If I tell you there’s a 10 per cent chance of rain today, there’s a great confidence that it’s probably not going to rain,” he said. “You got good confidence in the information that we’re not looking for an African-American female, we’re looking at someone with light to olive fair skin.”

Flournoy said the investigation has taken local police as far afield as Toronto, New York and Georgia in pursuit of leads that ultimately did not yield results.

Pichosky and Wise’s families have previously said that the couple’s marriage represented a second chance at love for them both. They were loved by each other and members of their Toronto and Florida communities, the family said, adding that 1,500 people attended their funeral.

Pichosky made weekly visits to the elderly and the sick in Toronto and would telephone them weekly from Florida, his daughter said. In Florida, Wise volunteered once a week at a Hebrew academy teaching children who needed remedial help.

Flournoy said a US$3,000 award remains in place for anyone with information about Pichosky and Wise’s deaths.

 
Title: Re: Toronto Couple found Slain in Florida Jan 2013
Post by: jellybean on March 17, 2018, 07:33:11 PM
Did you notice that snapshot perp looks like a young version of Rochelle?

jb