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Title: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on February 27, 2012, 01:10:02 PM
Finally.....

Jury selection begins in Tori Stafford murder trial in London, Ont.
February 27, 2012
By Allison Jones, The Canadian Press


LONDON, Ont. - Potential jurors in the trial of a man accused of killing an eight-year-old girl are being screened today in London, Ont., for a trial that could last into June.

Michael Rafferty, 31, is charged with first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping in the death of Victoria Stafford.

Tori disappeared while on her way home from school in Woodstock, Ont., on April 8, 2009, and her body was found three months later.

Terri-Lynne McClintic, now 21, has already been convicted of first-degree murder in the girl's death.

The first group of 119 people called for jury duty appeared before Superior Court Judge Thomas Heeney this morning and 85 people were excused for various reasons such as financial hardship or medical issues.

Thirty-four people have been asked to return on Wednesday for the next stage of jury selection in which lawyers will ask them questions, and more juror screening continues this afternoon and tomorrow.

A total of 1,375 people have been summoned for jury duty this week and next, and they could end up serving on the Rafferty trial or any other criminal or civil jury trial starting during that period.

Rafferty's trial was moved from Woodstock to nearby London in light of publicity surrounding the girl's death.

His lawyer, Dirk Derstine, suggested outside court that people should keep an open mind.

"I expect that the evidence to be called will be different than what everybody is perhaps expecting," he said.

The trial is also expected to draw extensive media coverage, so Heeney has set some ground rules. Reporters can use devices such as laptops or smartphones but won't be allowed to transmit from the courtroom.

However, a satellite courtroom will be set up for the trial, from which reporters will be allowed to electronically transmit information.

Members of the public won't be permitted to use personal electronic devices in either courtroom.

During the trial, which is expected to last three months though Heeney told potential jurors it may last into June, the jury is set to visit the site where Tori's body was found.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/jury-selection-begins-tori-stafford-murder-trial-london-090007954.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/jury-selection-begins-tori-stafford-murder-trial-london-090007954.html)

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Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on February 29, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/29/michael-thomas-rafferty-pleads-not-guilty-at-tori-stafford-trial/

Can you "believe this?"/jb

Michael Thomas Rafferty pleads not guilty at Tori Stafford trial
Postmedia News Feb 29, 2012 – 12:05 PM ET

By Linda Nguyen
 
Mike Faille / National Post

Michael Thomas Rafferty in the courtroom on February 27, 2012
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LONDON, Ont. — A man accused in the kidnapping and murder of a young Ontario girl nearly three years ago was officially arraigned Wednesday.
 
Michael Thomas Rafferty, 31, pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm in the disappearance of eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford.
 
The Grade 3 student was last seen on April 8, 2009 on her way home from school in Woodstock, Ont., about two hours west of Toronto. Her remains were found in July 2009 in a rural field more than 100 kilometres away in Mount Forest, Ont., following an exhaustive police search.
 
Dressed in a three-piece grey suit with a blue striped tie, Rafferty replied “Yes”in a clear voice when asked by the court clerk if he was ready for his trial following his arraignment.
 
Earlier, Ontario Justice Thomas Heeney addressed a group of 116 potential jurors in the case who were pre-screened over the last two days to be on the 12-person jury.
 
“If you find yourself challenged by a lawyer, don’t take that personally,” he told them.
 
The jurors were divided into groups of 24 and 20 and will face questioning by Crown and defence lawyers over the next two days. Each side are permitted 22 challenges to exclude potential jurors if they feel they may be biased or unable to fairly judge the upcoming case.
 
Each potential juror is identified by number and occupation. Teachers, nurses and bank tellers were some of the reported occupations.
 
The anticipated 2 1/2 month trial was expected to begin with opening statements Monday.
 
In April 2010, Terri-Lynne McClintic pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in Stafford’s death. She admitted to luring the little girl away with the promise of meeting a puppy. McClintic, 21, is currently serving life in prison without a chance of parole for 25 years.
 
Postmedia News
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on February 29, 2012, 03:44:05 PM
They have to treat this bastard with kid gloves, because surely they cannot do anything to disrespect this murderer. It makes me sick, but I know what goes on in these cases and they just have to go by the book. It is repulsive to everyone what these people did. I cannot believe that he is pleading NG. I expected he would change his plea to guilty. I still believe this guy is going to change his plea at some point. I just feel when all the material starts to come out from the prosecution, he will not be able to take the heat. I don't know if there is a news blackout on this trial or not.  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on February 29, 2012, 05:35:43 PM

I wonder if Rafferty would have knowledge/details of McClintic's trial...???
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 01, 2012, 01:22:10 PM
Mom, really she didn't have a trial. She went into the court and they pled her Guilty of FDM. She took the sentence and that was the end of it. The court would have given the particulars of what happened and that would be her day in court. But in this trial, it is different. He has pleaded NG and there will be a jury and all the evidence will be given by witnesses on the stand. McClintic did not have a trial as such, but a kind of quick trial because she pleaded Guilty. This will be a couple of months listenting to evidence and the jury will have to absorb everything and then they come to a verdict. It certainly will be an ordeal for everyone, the Judge included. These people will have nightmares after listening to this horrible crime against an angel like Tori. I will pray for them as they listen to all of this and know that they will make the right decision when the total story is heard. It will be very difficult when the family members have to sit through this trial and the pain will be much worse then what they have already gone through. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 01, 2012, 04:00:27 PM

I should have called it her "proceeding".  I know she didn't have a TRIAL.

And so... I wonder if Rafferty would have knowledge or details of what information McClintic has given Police.  I wonder if she can be called in as a witness?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 02, 2012, 03:01:15 PM
In my thoughts, I believe she will be a star witness. I think she will be testifying against him. Oh, he would know everything, because she pleaded guilty and all of the facts he knew them already. He wouldn't really know what her statement was, because he wouldn't see it. But his lawyer would have access to particulars. He may not know some of the things she said. But she didn't save her ass, she is serving a life sentence.  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 04, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/02/the-tori-stafford-saga


The Tori Stafford saga


QMI Agency

 First posted: Friday, March 02, 2012 06:55 PM EST | Updated: Friday, March 02, 2012 07:08 PM EST
 Victoria 'Tori' Stafford went missing on April 8, 2009. After she disappeared, posters showing her smiling face were plastered throughout Woodstock, Ont., where she lived with her mother, and media from across the country covered the case. Her story came to a tragic end in July 2009 when her remains were found near Mount Forest, Ont. Michael Rafferty was charged with Tori’s abduction and murder in May, 2009. He was also charged with sexual assault. His former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, was charged with Tori's abduction and murder. In April 2010, she pleaded guilty. Nine women and three men will determine the innocence or guilt of Michael Thomas Rafferty beginning Monday, March 5, 2012.

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Does that mean his trial will begin on Monday?  (I think it does - the wording is confusing) jb


Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: cinnamonsticks on March 04, 2012, 01:13:24 PM
 :'( :'( Peter Mansbridge from CBC news told a lawyer on TV he recieved emails from the Canadian public saying "you know what CBC! The Tori Stafford murder happened two years ago. We don't want to hear about it anymore!".

I was shocked and saddened that people would feel that way. Peter M told CBC viewers they can flip the remote control to a comedy show.Nobody is forcing the Victoria Stafford trial down the publics throat. He is correct.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 04, 2012, 02:00:09 PM
I would be willing to believe that is something Rafferty has orchestrated from his jail cell. Possibly family member or friends of his, sickos like himself. There is not one good citizen in Canada that does not want to hear about this trial and what is happening. We certainly do want to hear what is being done about this bastard. Who in the hell would make that comment. I cannot believe Mansbridge even repeated the messages. This is off the wall. I definitely want to hear what is going on.  And yes, the trial will begin tomorrow, Monday. And that is the start of March break, so most young children will be on vacation and sunning themselves. I definitely want to hear the progress of what is happening here.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 04, 2012, 02:42:04 PM
Cape, I am sure the Toronto Star,  or some other news media will cover it.

Society lacks patience with news. - any news including murders.  So many people read about it, initially and then it is on to the next thing.  If it isn't located on Facebook or twitter - may as well forget it.  At times the public has an attention span of a Newt.

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 04, 2012, 11:25:24 PM
I am amazed that he has the gull to plead not Guilty, considering his girl friend confessed and plead guilty , and if I am not mistaken lead the police to her body.  And he thinks he will get away with it truly mind boggoling JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 04, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
Is there a news feed or some sort of live update site for the trial? Anyone in the vicinity attending? Sounds like the national news isn't going to provide much info til the end.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 05, 2012, 09:44:15 AM
Here is the LIVE new feed for the trial of this monster

http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 05, 2012, 10:07:21 AM
I truly hope some one gets this guy before he gets back to Jail.
http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 05, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
Which is likely his defence strategy.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 05, 2012, 01:44:59 PM
Will McClintic be brought in as a witness?? - Or will her credibility be jeopordized because she is now a criminal and has a checkered past?

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 05, 2012, 04:12:23 PM
She is an eye witness to the murder, McClintic. They would definitely be calling her, I would imagine as a star witness. Most of the preliminary setup for the trial is on now. They will possibly be calling their first witnesses tomorrow. I do hope we get updates as much as possible on what is happening in the trial. Thanks for the updates so far. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 05, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191537--jury-in-stafford-murder-trial-hear-disturbing-evidence

Update on the trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 05, 2012, 05:17:26 PM
not sure if the link I posted this morning for the live  trial updates on its own so I reposted it.
http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 05, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
I just had the news on now related to Tori's first day of the trial. It was stated that McClintic is going to be called as a witness. And can you imagine the lawyer there on the news, talking as if this bastard was just some kind of person that is being unjustly charged. I don't get this guy, he'd better watch his back. Oh, that drives me crazy. Even though I know everyone is entitled to a defense in court, this lawyer should not say anything to the public, if he has any scruples at all. Tori's mother is also going to give testimony this week. So it is going to be very heartbreaking for those to hear what happened to her. They indicated that she had been hit with a hammer on the skull. Also that her ribs were crushed. So horrifying of a story and they are only on the first day. God bless everyone that is going to have to listen and hear the trial. I myself have sat in on murder trials and you are spellbound by what is happening. Of course, it was my job to record it. I did like my job, because it was interesting, but sometimes you had to hear horrible stories.  Sometimes you were just spellbound by the evidence. And that is what these people will be, spellbound by the horrific things that happened to a little girl and then have to weigh their evidence as to guilty or not guilty.
:o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on March 06, 2012, 03:06:54 AM
I'm hoping that the guard who brings the food to this piece of shit honks onto his food everyday, and pees into his coffee.





Tori Stafford's innocence no match for her hunters

 BY MICHELE MANDEL    ,TORONTO SUN
FIRST POSTED: MONDAY, MARCH 05, 2012 07:49 PM EST | UPDATED: MONDAY, MARCH 05, 2012 09:28 PM EST

 

LONDON - That child’s last hours would have been filled with horror.

When police finally found Tori Stafford’s battered body that summer, badly decomposed from being dumped in a garbage bag and hidden under a rock pile for 103 days, all she was wearing were her mother’s butterfly earrings and a Hannah Montana T-shirt.

That and nothing else.

While her mom had waited anxiously for her to walk home alone from school for the very first time, Tori had been abducted and sexually assaulted. While her brother was riding around the neighbourhood desperately searching for her, her small ribs had been shattered, her liver lacerated by a claw hammer picked up that very afternoon at a Home Depot.

But what ultimately killed the eight-year-old were repeated hammer blows to her skull — a vicious attack the prosecution says was delivered by the Woodstock couple who had hunted her and killed her, all in the matter of a few horrific hours on that spring afternoon three years ago.

“This is a difficult story to tell and it will be a difficult one for you to hear,” warned Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey as he opened his case against Michael Rafferty, the 31-year-old accused in the kidnapping, sexual assault and murder of the little girl. “At times, the evidence will be graphic and unsettling.”

Trying to prepare themselves were Tori’s dad, uncle and grandmother, all wearing purple ribbons in her memory, all struggling to stay strong. Her mom, Tara McDonald, will be a witness and had to remain out of the courtroom.

The only one who appeared unperturbed by the Crown’s disturbing, 79-minute opening statement was Rafferty himself, seated in the glassed prisoner’s dock in his Pee Wee Herman slicked hair and ill-fitting grey suit. His alleged accomplice, Terri-Lynne McClintic, 21, has already pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and is expected to testify against her former boyfriend early in what’s expected to be a three-month trial.

In the cavernous courtroom, the video monitors filled with the impish smile and sparkling eyes of the slain Grade 3 student. It was taken on picture day at Oliver Stephens Public School in a small town where these things are not supposed to happen. By the next evening, she would be dead.

Tori had been so happy on April 8, 2009, that final day of her short, short life. Her bedroom in her mom’s new house in Woodstock was decorated now and she was celebrating by getting all dressed up — and even had permission to wear her mom’s butterfly earrings to school. She was also being allowed to walk the three blocks home all by herself that afternoon and then her girlfriends were going to come over to watch High School Musical III.

But her sunny innocence was no match for the hunters that day.

On the monitors, beneath the picture of that angelic girl, appeared the photos of McClintic and Rafferty. Chosen as their prey, Tori had been lured away by McClintic, the infamous mystery woman in the puffy white coat, and, prosecutors say, delivered to Rafferty, who was waiting in his Honda Civic in a nearby parking lot.

“Tori did not get home that day,” Gowdey said. “Tori never came home.”

It would be an odyssey, the Crown alleged, that took the captured child more than 200 km from her brand new bedroom: East on Hwy. 401 to Guelph where Rafferty bought a bunch of Percocets from a friend, north to a Home Depot on the edge of town where the jury will see video of Rafferty taking money out of an ATM and then McClintic getting out of the Honda to buy the claw hammer and garbage bags.

By then it was just after 5 p.m. the terrified girl in the back seat would have been 90 minutes into her nightmare. When police later seized Rafferty’s Honda, that back seat would be gone and Tori’s DNA would be found on the moulding of the rear passenger door.

The car then headed out of sight down the country roads Rafferty knew well, Gowdey said. At 7:47 p.m., phone records would show Rafferty had checked his voicemail near Mount Forest. Later armed with a map drawn by McClintic, a police search of farm fields in that area uncovered a rockpile under an evergreen tree.

And beneath the rocks, a green garbage purchased at Home Depot containing the remains of a broken little girl, wearing butterfly earrings and naked from the waist down.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on March 06, 2012, 03:37:45 AM
And here is how the Crown will be laying out the case.............


Tori Stafford beaten to death with hammer, court hears

RANDY RICHMOND, QMI AGENCY

FIRST POSTED: MONDAY, MARCH 05, 2012 09:47 AM EST | UPDATED: MONDAY, MARCH 05, 2012 09:28 PM EST

 

LONDON, ONT. - Electronic evidence and disturbing testimony will take jurors on the same path a school girl took from an ordinary day of small hopes to a brutal death from "repeated hammer blows to the head," Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey said Monday.

"This trial will travel down a long road," Gowdey told the jury of nine women and three men at the first-degree murder trial of Michael Thomas Rafferty, 31, in London.

"This is a difficult story to tell and it will be a difficult story for you to hear."

Victoria (Tori) Stafford, 8, walked out of school hoping to see a movie with friends on April 8, 2009, but "130 kilometres away from her home, was killed and left in a pile of rocks wearing only her Hannah Montana T-shirt and nothing else," Gowdey said. "She was naked from the waist down.

The girl was sexually assaulted. Before being struck on the head with a claw hammer, she was beaten so severely her liver was lacerated and ribs broken, he said.

Cellphone records and cell tower mapping, video surveillance clips, DNA and photographic evidence will fill in the story of Tori's last day, with much of the personal testimony provided by the woman who lured Tori to her death.

Terri-Lynne McClintic, 21, pleaded guilty in 2010 to first-degree murder.

"You will unquestionably be disturbed by the choices she made with Mr. Rafferty," Gowdey warned jurors.

McClintic told different versions of what happened to police, and Gowdey said he expected her credibility to be raised at the trial.

But jurors don't have to determine which actions Rafferty and McClintic took individually, only that together they killed Tori, said Gowdey as he neared his quietly dramatic ending to an opening delivered in measured, sombre tones.

"Your task will be to decide whether they acted together when they picked up Tori..., whether they acted together when they ... bought the garbage bags and the hammer, whether they acted together when they took Tori to an isolated location where all of her clothing was removed but her T-shirt, whether they acted together to bring about the sexual assault of Tori, whether they acted together when Tori was killed, when she was placed in garbage bags and when heavy rocks were placed on top of her."

Outside court, Rafferty's lawyer, Dirk Derstine, called the Crown's dramatic opening statement fair, but incomplete.

"I expect that the picture that will emerge through the course of the trial, there will be things in there that were certainly not covered by that (opening)," he said. "It's not surprising one party paints a picture very much in their favour."

The first day of the much-anticipated trial began slowly, with Justice Thomas Heeney's opening remarks followed by a long in-camera discussion among lawyers.

Rafferty listened to the Crown's opening statement without expression, sitting motionless in a grey suit, light-coloured shirt and striped tie.

Tori's family members maintained a stoic and unified front during several warnings of horrible evidence to come. All wore purple ribbons and some wore items of purple clothing.

Purple was Tori's favourite colour.

Her grandmother, Doreen Graichen, wore a butterfly pendant bought after the girl's death, in memory of the girl's love of butterflies.

The family has been bracing for three years for this trial, she told reporters outside court.

"I don't think I can ever say I'm prepared to hear it," she said, but added, "Nothing can be any worse than what I imagined all along anyway."

Tori's father, Rodney Stafford, told reporters he was finding it difficult that more people seem to be aware of Rafferty's name than his own daughter's.

"It's not about Rafferty. It's about a little girl who lost her life."

Gowdey, a veteran Crown, began his opening by showing jurors a school photograph of Tori taken the day before she was killed. He then showed photos of Tori, McClintic and Rafferty on the same computer screen.

"The case is about how the lives of three people intersected that day," he said.

Gowdey first explained how the Crown sees the story of Tori's last day and provided a brief road map of the evidence.

This is the story, according to the Crown:

On April 8, 2009, Rafferty drove his car, a Honda Civic, along Fyfe Ave., in Woodstock, Ont., past Oliver Stephens public school to a nearby nursing home.

McClintic walked Tori to that nursing home, where the girl got in the car.

The two adults drove Tori to Guelph, Ont., where Rafferty visited a friend and bought "a large number" of painkillers.

The pair then went to a Petro Canada gas station in the north end of Guelph, where a video camera caught Rafferty heading to the ATM machine. He took out cash, got back in the car and drove closer to a nearby Home Depot.

McClintic went in and paid cash at the self-serve for garbage bags and a hammer.

"She picked out a hammer from a display in the store, a claw hammer," Gowdey said.

McClintic then put the hammer and bags in the trunk, and the pair drove away. Rafferty knows the area well from working there and because he has family in the region, Gowdey said. They drove to a remote spot near Mount Forest, Ont., where Tori was raped and killed.

After the killing, the pair continued to stay in touch by phone and in person. McClintic kept a journal "which you may conclude is a script for Terri-Lynne McClintic if she was ever accused," Gowdey said.

McClintic was arrested and taken into custody on another matter April 12. Rafferty continued to visit her in London's Genest detention centre.

Police questioned Rafferty May 15 and noticed his Honda Civic seemed similar to the one in the video, but had no back seat. After the interview, police later learned, Rafferty spent the weekend contacting auto wreckers and rental agencies about getting another car. He also went to Masonville Place in London to get a new BlackBerry.

McClintic confessed May 19 to being the woman who lured Tori away, and Rafferty was arrested the same day.

Police seized his vehicle and found evidence of Tori's blood on the rear passenger door moulding. Blood found on a Goodlife fitness bag inside the car was a mixture of Tori and Rafferty's blood.

"Listen carefully to the DNA evidence. It will tell you a lot," Gowdey said.

First-degree murder can be a planned and deliberate killing, a killing during a kidnapping or a killing during a sexual assault, Gowdey explained to the jury.

A person can be guilty by either committing the killing or helping another person do it, he added.

The Crown's case will proceed in chapters, Gowdey said:

Chapter 1: The day of the kidnapping. The surveillance video showing Rafferty driving up the street outside Tori's school and McClintic walking Tori up the street. Witnesses from and around Oliver Stephens public school will talk about seeing Tori. An identification officer will use photographs and maps to show the route from Woodstock to Guelph.

Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, will testify about the frantic hours the family spent looking for Tori.

"As hard as that will be for her and for us, unfortunately it is necessary," Gowdey said.

Chapter 2: Terri-Lynne McClintic. "She was an essential part of all that happened," Gowdey said. "I expect her credibility will be a major issue in this case."

Chapter 3: Guelph: Video surveillance and bank records detailing the events there.

Chapter 4: The Mount Forest death scene, which the jury will visit. "It will be difficult to go the very place where this happened, I know that, but understanding the crime scene is crucial to understanding the crime," Gowdey said. Photographs, some of them graphic, will be used to explain "exactly how the killing happened."

"Unfortunately it is only through them that you can fully understand (the) evidence," Gowdey said.

Chapter 5: Police interaction with Rafferty.

Chapter 6: The searches of Rafferty and McClintic's residences and the evidence found.

Chapter 7: The Honda Civic. What was found inside.

Chapter 8: Rafferty's connection to the Mount Forest area.

Chapter 9: Comments Rafferty made to friends after April 8. "He had some interesting things to say to other people about Terri-Lynne McClintic and about the kidnapping itself," Gowdey said.

Chapter 10: The May 15 weekend and Rafferty's actions.

Chapter 11: The BlackBerry. "You will see who he called, when and where he was when he made the calls," Gowdey said. The BlackBerry allowed police to track his movements April 8 and after.

Chapter 12: A recap of the surveillance video

The trial continues Tuesday.

randy.richmond@sunmedia.ca

twitter.com/RandyRatLFPress

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/05/tori-stafford-murder-trial-gets-underway
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 09:17:23 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191641--trial-for-tori-stafford-s-accused-killer-to-hear-from-first-witness
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 09:18:29 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews?TopVideo=2
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 09:19:26 AM
http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 06, 2012, 10:55:35 AM
Tori's father is absolutely correct. Do not even think of the bastard's name, think of the terrible horror that a beautiful little girll had to go through before she died. The jury should be focused on the viciousness and brutality and the senseless murder of a child. Never mind this bastard getting weepy in the courtroom when he hears the terrible stuff he did. He is acting, because his lawyer is probably telling him, you better shed a few tears to show you have some emotion. We are focused on justice for Tori, what is the court going to do to make sure this is never going to happen again. This is one time we should have the death penalty, I'm for bringing it back. It doesn't get any worse then this, this is outrageous criminal behaviour and a senseless act towards an innocent little girl. The heartbreak that will go on every minute of this trial, that the family has to listen to will be unbearable. God bless the parents and friends who knew Tori.
      Does this snake really think that he can slither out of this one. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 06, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
It is for these types of crimes, where I am now beginning to believe that the death penalty would be warranted.  Oops, we don't have a death penalty. Well then, give them Life.   oops  Life is  only 25 years.

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 06, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
Yes and life should be life, until he breaths his last breath. Hopefully when he is sentenced somebody will do him in while he is incarcerated.I just hate to think about the defense in this case, you know they will say he was on liquor and drugs and he was disassociated with what was going on. This is when I feel the people there will just go bananas, at this trial. We just pray that everything goes well and that the family holds up. It is about little Tori losing her life and that is what the focus should be on. Not whether Rafferty is wearing glasses or a suit or whatever. He should be in orange jumpsuit and shackles on, because that was how he was arrested. He should not be able to go to court in a Value Village suit. It will be a long haul for everyone and my prayers are with them. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 06, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
I think Canada need to get a death penalty. And more the life 25 years really? how about 100years. No sunlight, Alone in a dark hole.
Then I think some of these snakes need torture, no food. Treat them like they treated there innocent victims. I know inhumane. But think about this. Did they think it was inhumane when the victim was found. no they thought oh crap. Are they sorry?  maybe There are no amounts of I am sorry to bring back a sweet child.

I am a mother of almost 3. I have a 10 year old boy who walks to and from school. He only started to do so. My 1 yr old is just learning no and how to walk better. My 3rd is in the oven. When I was 10 life was so different. I am 34 now. In all honesty I wonder what case will get Canada to harden up their laws. I like some of the states laws.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/191641--teacher-recalls-tori-stafford-s-last-day-at-school-during-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
I have posted three more links to news items re the trial.  Posters let me know if you want me to keep posting these updates or no.  Debbie what do you think keep posting the updates in the trial or what?  Let me know what yous want. 

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews?TopVideo=2

http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont

this last one is Tori's Dad
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/videos/191741
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Meg on March 06, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
I couldn't agree more.  The death penalty should be brought back - it will be 50 years this year since two men were hanged - December 11, 1962.  In that time, we've found out the hard way that there is no such thing as a 'rehabilitated killer' and a 'life sentence' is not for life. Can't even imagine Rafferty ever being released - to kill again. [/font
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 06, 2012, 06:30:29 PM

I read your updates Eyes, and thank you very much. Very thoughtful of you to keep track of the updates during the past two days.  It is appreciated. :)

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 06, 2012, 08:28:34 PM
Thanks eyes  :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 06, 2012, 08:37:18 PM
I am happy to do it, and will keep posting the updates as they come .  We have been forwarned that it may get graphic as the trial goes on.  But it is the facts of what was done to this poor innocent child, my she rest in peace.  And justice be served.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 06, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
This one link in particular that you gave EWO gives a good running update on the procedures and has a multiple page function at the bottom. You can go through all the pages or just skip to the latest.
http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont (http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont)
It is going to be fairly long and there is going to be a lot more to come. This will get very long to read if everything said in or written about the trial is posted. I suppose it is even tougher to summarize the important points though, everyone has a different take on what is of importance.

I have learned a few things here already, what gets said back in the early stages of an investigation by Police and press, are not necessarily true. Some things are said and done for public perceptions only. Remember the garbage dump search? Remember the Police focus on Tori's mother? Remember the cop with the gut feeling working on his own time accidentally finding Tory's remains, etc.. All the while MR blackberry is being monitored, he is visiting McLintock in jail etc.. Whew, some cat and mouse stuff..

We had speculated about much of that but you never really get the inside scoop on any case until there is a trial. Anytime there is one, we learn and better understand tactics and procedure. For the most part we really only need to know that they got the right persons, that it was done as timely as possible and that there were no others involved. I'd be fine without capital punishment if life were really life for some, but we are going to have to start making some more noise to get there....
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 07, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
Last nights national news showed a video clip of M.R. car circling Tori's school. The video quality was much better than that previously shown and left little doubt as to make and model. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 07, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
D1,  yes, I saw that, he kept circling and going around. So this was premeditated murder and nothing less. He circled like an alligator, waiting to snatch up it's prey. This is cold blooded premeditated murder, in broad daylight. So evil, it is hard to comprehend how people that look normal, could be full of such evil. I hope and pray that that this evil monster pays for this crime against Tori.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 07, 2012, 07:38:50 PM
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#Rafferty - officer also testified Terry-Lynn McClintic was a suspect 4 days after Tori vanished. "She was on radar."
by citycynthia via twitter 3/7/2012 10:17:43 PM 2:17 PM

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tara met teri lynn McClintic, under the influence, not sure if she knew she was there.
by citycynthia via twitter 3/7/2012 7:28:28 PM 11:28 AM
#Rafferty - tara says her boyfriend purchased the oxy from McClintic's mother. She was present

 
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tara says she went to McClintic's on 2 occasions to purchase oxycontin
by citycynthia via twitter 3/7/2012 7:25:54 PM 11:25 AM
#Rafferty - says she knew mcclintic. First time met her end of Jan before abduction

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#Rafferty - crown done. Cross exam now. Defense asks her to confirm she had taken oxycontin that day. Tara says yes.
by citycynthia via twitter 3/7/2012 7:53:54 PM 11:53 AM
Permalink#Rafferty - addresses rumors - tara says she didn't owe anyone money for drugs. Her boyfriend had "ripped someone off" oxycontin. Worth 400

A few quotes from link EWO posted earlier. Police claim they have collected 1100 exhibits.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 07, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Right with you there in that thought cape. Demented
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 07, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Tori's Mom testifys

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/191905--tori-stafford-s-mom-testifies-at-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 07, 2012, 11:58:40 PM
We aren’t likely to see a set of circumstances quite like this again. Tori’s mother Tara took a lot of heat in the early stages of the investigation. In hindsight, she appears to have been playing a role to draw the attention and did it well.

Very coincidental circumstance had placed Tara and Mclintock together in the past.  Drugs were the common denominator and Tara admitted in response to rumours that her then boyfriend had owed someone money. Tara and Mclintocks mother  had even discussed a dog breeding plan as they both had the same breed dog. Tori was lured from the school by Mclintock to a location behind a nearby nursing home using puppies as a lure. There has been no indication that Tori was known to Mclintock or specifically singled out to be lured away though.

Tara’s troubles compounded when she tried to hide her activities and drug use afer Tori disappeared and wasn’t being truthful at first. Testimony places MR in the parking lot behind the nursing home where he was to meet McLintock. Tara didn't tell the truth about her whereabouts and eventually a story came out placing Tara at the same nursing home near the same time that Tori disappeared. Grainy video footage showed a woman wearing a distinctive puffy white jacket walking Tori towards the nursing home. Tara later admitted to having a similar jacket and wore one bearing a close match to it for her news interviews afterwards.

Then Tara’s friend Sara who had just arrived back in town the previous month was shown in an interview with Tara. Tara's friend Sara was a dead ringer for the person shown in the video with Tori. Sara and McLintock bore a striking resemblance even to hair styles which further added to the confusion and suspicion in the eyes of the public. copy of picture comparison below-

Now we find that Tara had provided Mclintock’s name to the Police early on and that the Police were watching Mclintock and her associates very closely. Tara kept the media attention on herself while the Police were gathering info and evidence on the real perps in secret.  Did Tara and company know? hmmm


Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Dulsebunny on March 08, 2012, 02:57:08 PM
I wonder how the people who publicly crucified that woman felt after the other two were arrested.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 08, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
I believe they came forward, some people did and apologised for their behaviour. I guess she was a victim of circumstances and it has happened before when a crime was committed. Sometimes a person served a lot of years and they had no involvement. So glad that did not happen here. This has to be so hard and emotional for the family. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 08, 2012, 05:13:22 PM
Its amazing what a person thinks about a case before the trial and during the trial. I feel for Tara. I wonder if shes got her drug problem under controle now.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 08, 2012, 09:35:18 PM
tdays updates

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/192216--death-of-tori-stafford-a-crushing-blow-to-officers-court-hears
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 08, 2012, 10:22:52 PM

Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated on the trial eyes. Much appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 08, 2012, 11:56:03 PM
Thnx too ewo. The more you know, the better you understand what really happened. The Police helped to heap suspicion on Tara for some time during the early stages of the investigation.  Now we get to see a motive, the Police believed that Tori could still be alive and it appears they wanted the perps to believe that they were focused on Tara as the suspect. The public couldn't help but follow the lead and inadvertantly played their part in it too. The Police were very careful not to tip their hand. Tara did what she could and played her role well. wow in hindsight . Perceptions change the more you know..
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 13, 2012, 07:25:07 AM
DI and Deb your very welcome I sure a praying justice gets served for this little angel this is the newest update

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/193054--woman-serving-time-for-tori-stafford-s-murder-to-testify-at-rafferty-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 13, 2012, 07:29:05 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews?TopVideo=2






http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191433--live-michael-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 13, 2012, 03:53:54 PM
Todays update , very graphic so be ware before you read them

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/193054--mcclintic-admits-she-struck-stafford-in-head-multiple-times-with-hammer




http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191433--live-michael-rafferty-murder-trial


I hope they both rot in Hell for what they have done
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rebelgirl on March 13, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
That was graphic  :( 
I have read a lot of things, a lot of True Crime books and other graphic material.....  Horrible just Horrible  :(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: navyperfume on March 13, 2012, 05:36:32 PM
My heart is broken for this child...RIP Tori
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 13, 2012, 07:07:59 PM
And there it is, the not guilty plea justified and his alibi corroberated. ( in M.R.'s own mind). He can say his intent was not to murder and blame it on McLintock.

Sickness, just sick..
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 13, 2012, 07:13:06 PM
My heart is with the parents. I can't even imagine. I somehow hope they can find a place of peace to get through these horrible moments. Sending all the strength I can.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 13, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
Its suck. This man made this woman believe that he was a good gu y. She decid help him . Made friends with a little girl told her she would be fine and she was going to go home,hits her with a hammer. For what a disgusting excuse for a man.  Unbelievable. Its times like this you really such they you could tie them up and throw rocks at them. Or something like what they did for a death sentense punishment way back in the day.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 13, 2012, 09:30:10 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/193054--mcclintic-tells-jury-she-delivered-the-fatal-blows-to-tori-stafford



I hope this killer lives a long and miserable life in her cell and is Paid back by the other inmates for the evil she has done. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 14, 2012, 04:26:40 AM
I do not feel any compassion towards McClintic or Rafferty.   Another (truly heartbreaking) case of 2 Misfits that find each other and commit a horrible crime.

Drugs are no excuse.  Doing drugs, not working, taking advantage of the Food Banks.  People like that ruin it for the truly needy.
Seriously, who puts on a form that they have trouble with their temper??   Sounds to me like someone that knows the system and knows if they put that on an employment form.....they are NOT going to get hired.   I am disturbed that idiots like this get away with a free ride, and do not work to pay their own way. 
And just for something to do, they brutalize a darling, trusting little child.   
I wish these two would NEVER get out of jail.

I was walking downtown in my neck of the woods the other day, and ended up in quite the conversation with 2 little boys and their babysitter that may have been 12 years old.   So trusting, so friendly....telling me they were going to the library puppet show and then the boys and girls club...all excited, both talking at the same time, we parted ways when I got to my parked car..I told them "play safe", they replied "we will"...... I thought of Tory, (and Kyron, since one of the little boys had glasses like him) and all the other children that tend to trust women...and I couldn't help but cry about how innocent and trusting and friendly they are.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 14, 2012, 11:49:34 AM
This mornings updates on the trial

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/193321--mcclintic-told-rafferty-she-would-take-the-fall-for-tori-s-death-jury-hears



http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews?TopVideo=2
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 14, 2012, 12:13:52 PM
Rodney is holding up and is still able to look past the gory details in order to make out the truth. He is a pretty smart fellow and notes how McLintock has lied and told different versions of her story before. Questions are being raised whether McLintock is just saying she did it to protect Rafferty or if she really did commit the actual murder. It really doesn't matter, they are both to blame but legally it helps Rafferty. McLintocks words were to the effect- "I savagely murdered Tori" sounds like someone reading from a script. How long did McLintock get sentenced to again?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 14, 2012, 12:38:10 PM
I believe she got life? as her sentence.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 14, 2012, 01:49:46 PM
Right,
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Sentenced to life, McClintic is serving time at a federal penitentiary but Corrections Canada won’t say where.

so eligible for parole in how long, 10-15  years?

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 14, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
As horrible as this crime is.....there is some interesting details as to how the Perps behaved after the crime.

They went to the Car Wash.....and discarded some evidence in the garbage at the Car Wash.   (Makes me wonder how many Perps do this....probably more than we would think).  Wonder what the Profilers would say.
They tossed their shoes out the window of the car in the back country.
They tossed other evidence out the window of the car on the #401.

In essence, evidence all over the area....just randomly tossed out the window.  Most people coming across these things would never suspect this stuff was from such a horrible crime.

Now, if we had all the truckers plugged in and helping Law Enforcement, (which has just been proposed for human trafficking) they may have called in because they saw someone tossing out stuff from their car.  That part of the #401 is just one semi after another.

Rafferty pre-meditated this crime....he even thought to bring a change of clothes for both of them.  And found a willing puppet, with half a brain.   What a sick pair, I wish they would be in jail for the rest of their natural lives.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 14, 2012, 05:43:38 PM
McClintic got life, which is 25 years without parole. Also, because of her testimony, the jury will only believe what they want to believe. And where she gave the police statements before relating to Rafferty committing the murder, I totally believe her first story. I find it hard to believe that she abducted this girl, let him do all of his violence against Tori and then she's taking the fall. I don't buy it. These people are scum and the two of them deserve 25 years. And this bastard is not going to get any lesser deal, believe me. If you're robbing a bank and someone is driving the getaway car, you're going down too. So Mr. Rafferty may be sitting there trying to look like some kind of a pretty boy in a suit, let us get real, this bastard is a snake and who could believe anything they said. Nobody should take any weight to McClintic's testimony, the only thing, she took the lamb to slaughter, that is what she did. They both murdered Tori, nobody stopped it, nobody helped a defenseless Tori as she cried out for her life and her mom and dad. So these two are guilty and if the death penalty was in place, they'd both hang side by side. I just wish we did have the death penalty for this type of crime.

God bless the family and friends of Tori. Let us also bless all of those who have to listen to this evidence and go home at night and let it run through their minds what happened to Tori. I believe the jury will come to the right verdict in this case. RIP, Tori. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 14, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
todays updates


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/193321--rafferty-said-tori-stafford-wasn-t-young-enough-court-hears
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 14, 2012, 06:48:23 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/193541--rafferty-mcclintic-targeted-other-young-girls-jury-hears
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 14, 2012, 07:52:51 PM
This woman makes me sick she did it all to keep her man interested sick.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 14, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
I see the days strength. I kniw i wouldn't hold so well. I hope that they both rot in a dungeon somewhere. Give them to another country that tor hers innocent people.  They two don't deserve the light of day.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: justsayin on March 15, 2012, 08:18:14 AM
So incredibly horrific and disturbing.  Rest in peace little Tori.  You didn't deserve this.   :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 15, 2012, 11:55:26 AM
I am sure that Tori's parents will have nightmares when this trial is all over with.  I believe that this is a case where execution would be warranted. In all sincerity, the little bit that I was capable of reading until I could not bear to read any more horrific details, it shocks me to learn  that there is no end to the extent of human depravity. The mere idea that they would seek out other children sickens me.
They had no intentions of stopping.

Kudos to Detective Smith for getting McClintic to talk, leading to arrests.

It is amazes me as to how two sickos met in the first place. He realized that McClintic was craving for love, and used her. Do these types seek each other out? Would it have  been different if they had never met??
Would Tori be alive today? Has he murdered other missing children, or was this truly the first?

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 15, 2012, 12:26:48 PM
My belief is that this was the first of what could have become many. Shades of Bernardo Holmolka minus brains.

jobo
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  As horrible as this crime is.....there is some interesting details as to how the Perps behaved after the crime.

There are lessons in all of this if one can look past the gruesomeness.   
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They went to the Car Wash.....and discarded some evidence in the garbage at the Car Wash.   (Makes me wonder how many Perps do this....probably more than we would think).

Rodney is pointing out some of the inconsistencies just now coming to light. He asks how much of McLintocks testimony can even be believed? He says he has to trust that the Police and the Crown will present enough real evidence to convince a jury.

Makes one wonder if McLintock was convicted of first degree murder by her own words alone? Like Rodney, we will just have to wait and trust that the jury will see through it all.

Day off for the jury today.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 15, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
Note to self no more posting on my android stupid auto-correct. No I am sure they looked into other crimes in the area to put on this disgusting man. As for the woman perhaps she thought she would get off. what ever her reasoning I do not understand how a woman who can bare children or has the capacity in theory to bare children can do this to another woman's child. How do you live with the looks you go from your prey before you smack her with a hammer. I wouldn't be surprised if she took her own life after this trial.

I still can't wrap my head around that she wanted to keep him. Seriously grrrrr.
How much longer till this trials over? I should take a look at the approximate time.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 15, 2012, 03:02:54 PM
This case likens to the Kristen French/Leslie Mahaffy murders, two disgustingly evil people B&H ( they don't need recognition)  committing crimes against innocent young victims....and now we have Tori and two other disgustingly evil people (once this is proven)  All should be classified as dangerous offenders and thrown in a cell with bread & water----no chance of parole and retroactive death penalty comeback.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on March 15, 2012, 07:23:19 PM
McClintic was only 18 years old when this happened.  I am NOT defending her in any way.  If you have kids her age, or know kids her age, think about that for a minute.  Then consider that she was STARVED for love.  Nobody cared about her.  Her guardian/mother was stuck with her, and shared drugs with her.  She was not possible of being normal, nor making normal decisions. 
What scares me is how many other young women are there like her in Woodstock.  It is being heavily reported that this area is Oxycontin county, that many people are drug addicts there.  Their kids are watching this, and being exposed to this.  How many other little monsters are in the making?  How many other little girls are being starved of love and affection from parents and will do anything, like McClintic did, just for a bit of love?  Some kids grow up and turn out well in spite of their parents, and some turn out bad even though their parents provided them with the best environment.  McClintic had no hope in hell, but she was still human, and should never have been able to do what she did.  She should still have known the difference between right and wrong.  EVIL found himself an easy target, and knew he could manipulate her, to do whatever he wanted. She was stupid, stoned, and damaged, starved for human affection.  He knew what he was doing and used her to get what he wanted.  He better be convicted of 1st degree murder and get the maximum penalty.  There is no doubt in my mind that he was the mastermind in this plan, and that he would have continued looking for even younger girls, if his stupid accomplish wasn't caught. 
This should also be a wake up call to all parents.  With all those parents, grandparents, great grandparents, aunts and uncles who are showing up in court, why wasn't there a single parent available to pick up that child from school? Why did the teacher let her walk home alone? How sad it could have been avoided.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 15, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Sometimes it just seems easier to demonize the offender than trying to understand. I share some of those thoughts about McLintock and at times even wonder whether she actually did the killing. If McLintock had not met Rafferty, I doubt she'd have dreamed any of this up on her own. I have no doubt who was the mastermind in this plan.

But McLintock is testifying and accepting all the blame for the murder falling on her knife for Rafferty. Rodney is resigned to leaving it to the Crown to make a case that the jury can buy. I can't help but note, McLintock is the prosecution's witness here, Rafferty has been charged with murder, they must have known what McLintock was going to say. They must have some means yet to come that will tie it all together and focus the blame back on Rafferty.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 15, 2012, 10:42:10 PM
I agree with the last two posts, and it is becoming obvious that this girl will do anything for a bit of love.  Sad in its own way but doesnt justify what she participated in.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 15, 2012, 10:47:20 PM
You bet D1!! But will the jury truly believe McClintic? She comes across as telling the truth, to me but I am not sitting on the jury, and Defence Lawyers can have their hay day with her.  So far, she appears to be bearing up and "appears to be truthful", imo,  after all she has had time in prison to get the drugs out of her system (sober up), but will the jury believe her- or believe that she is drug addled, stupid, and vengeful? A good defence lawyer can make a difference here regarding Rafferty. And I hate to quote myself - but I did say a number of posts back;
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It is amazes me as to how two sickos met in the first place. He realized that McClintic was craving for love, and used her. Do these types seek each other out? Would it have  been different if they had never met??
Would Tori be alive today? Has he murdered other missing children, or was this truly the first? unquote



JB

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 16, 2012, 02:02:19 AM
McLintock is full of contradictions and has told differing stories over time. One point that is being voiced and made subtly over and over was that Tori was not targetted and thatTerrie M. did not even know who Tori was.

Even Tori's mother Tara said that she saw Terrie McLintock when over buying oxy's from McLintocks mother but she thought/believed/assumed that Terrie was too doped out to have noticed her. Tara had a conversation with Terrie's mother about breeding their dogs as they both owned the same breed.

Rafferty and Terrie scoped out other children and as noted, he Raferty knew where they all lived and who the mothers were. Those children played with Tori.

On the day Tori was taken, Tara was doing drugs that she obtained from somewhere? Tara was at the seniors home near the same time as Rafferty. This was Tori's first day having to walk back to her new home. Her mother was distracted, Tori was left alone, McLintock struck then using the pretext of showing Tori another dog the same type as Tori's to lure her along. Did McLintock and Rafferty know more about Tori's situation than they are saying?

McLintock also makes it seem that Rafferty had no prior plans for murder and that he only brought it up onroute that they can't just take Tori back now that they have taken her but can't just leave her somewhere. Yet he has taken along a change of clothes for both himself and McLintock.

It is tough to totally believe what McLintock says. She is accustomed to tailoring stories and posturing for a desired outcome. Like her writing about her anger problems on her job application. Those applications are mandatory to fill out when on welfare I believe. I wonder about the love starved excuse in the same vein. Are we and the jury being played for perception too? Can two suspects working together muddy the waters enough so that neither will face the full force of the law? There is a way to go and many more exhibits yet to come. Hopefully by the end of it, there will be enough to counteract any lies and keep them both behind bars for a very very long time. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 16, 2012, 05:16:49 AM
Nice summary DI, well thought out.

Do you think this girl is taking all the blame knowing that if they are both in jail she doesn't get conjugal visits, but if he gets out he can visit her.  Wow...someone needs to tell her she lives in a fantasy land.  Where in the world did she think this relationship would go. If he has the power to do that to others, what type of treatment did she expect? To tell you the truth we all think a woman is not capable of brutality. From her spoken words and disjointed rationale I would think that it is clear there were two people equally involved in the taking of a young life, brutally. Absolutely no justification will do nor should it matter.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 16, 2012, 06:42:15 AM
I am not making excuses for anyone, because you have to pay for your crimes....But....I do hear you, Coral.   I was thinking the same about McClintick.   Born to a stripper who gave her to a friend.  Makes me wonder if she was born brain damaged.  I don't know anything about her birth Mom, except they said she was an ex-stripper, but she may have done drugs, even through her pregnancy. We have heard McClintic did drugs with the woman that raised her.

If that is the case, where was her Doctor?  Where was the school teachers and counsellors?  McClintick quit school at a young age and just hung around with no job/education.  Kindof a lost soul.

All this talk about helping immigrant families.....what about our home grown youth that need help??  It is almost sad how she told Rafferty she would take the blame because she was a nobody, just a junkie.   No self-respect whatsover, and half a brain.  She fell through the cracks of the Public School System.  And fell for an Evil guy, because she was starved for attention/affection.

Rafferty on the other hand is a sick evil man who's "fantasies" were dangerous.  As far as I am concerned he was the master-mind and he PRE-Meditated this horrible crime against Tori.   Like you said D1.....Rafferty had a bag with a change of clothes for him and McClintic..(does that mean he went out and bought McClintic an outfit??)....he seemed to know how to cover their tracks....throwing clothes and shoes out as they drove along....ordering McClintic around.  Telling her what to say to Tori....

 What do we know about Rafferty's background...all I have heard about is McClintic's.   Where is Rafferty's family?
His fantasies are scary.....I wrote a post on Sonia's thread and quoted one of his fantasies (I read it in yesterday's Toronto Sun)...you never know what Evil can be lurking.

I agree with your Post, Coral......Your last paragraph.  Parents need to be there for their youngsters, and if they can't, hire someone to walk with your child.  A mom on my street broke her leg this winter, she paid another kid to walk her 8 yr.old to the bus stop and bring him home, and that is just down the road, I can see it from my house.   That is what a parent should do.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 16, 2012, 09:11:28 AM
Rafferty is originally from Newfoundland. I do not know  how long he has lived in Toronto. He definitely is an evil human being. It was he who hatched the idea of rape and murder of a child. And because McClintic had an evil mind, when the two got  together they did the devil's work. It has to be so hard for the parents to sit there and listen to all of this.

In my heart, I know that justice will be done here.  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on March 16, 2012, 01:30:22 PM
Justice would only be done if they handed over McClintic and Rafferty to Mr. Stafford and Ms. McDonald.  That would be justice.  It's too bad Ms. McDonald called the police when she recognized McClintic in the video walking with Tori.  She should have went to her house and did "justice".  We wouldn't be paying such high taxes to house and feed that bushpig in jail for the last 3 years, and the next 20.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 16, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Hey guys, i should start a new post but it seems to me a lot on this thread would love to see a stiffer punishment for these two. If there was a petition or something to get the death penalty or the life law changed to like the usa. Like 100 years or something. IS that even possible? I thought maybe someone on this thread would be able to answer this.

if some how each province had a vote or something and maybe they would change the law. Its a thought I have. but, I am not sure how far this thought could even go. so that is why i am asking.

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I would have a bit of sympathy for McClintic is she was innocent and was a person who had no clue what was going on . But no, anybody with a half a brain knows beating a little girl who loved puppies and feared this jerkoff man would know um this is wrong..

I don't think I would do well If i was Tori's mother. I know i would have found this woman and well it probably land me in jail.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Oryx on March 16, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
It is very rare in this life that I wish someone death, but these two, with the hell they brought to this child, I wish them slow miserable deaths. I have been following on CBC, and through-out the search for the girl.  It breaks my heart to think that anyone could stand by and "do it for the sake of love of a man", that excuse is age old, and really tiring, imo.  Both of them knew what they were doing, both of them followed through, and both of them deserve to be punished for their part in taking this poor child's life.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 16, 2012, 07:56:33 PM
Today court updates

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/193832--mcclintic-turns-down-chance-to-change-her-testimony-court-hears



live court

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191433--live-michael-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: lostlinganer on March 16, 2012, 08:18:52 PM
This two should be thrown to a pack of hungry wolves... nothing more; nothing less.

 Neither one is more innocent than the other ... nor more insane than the other.  They willfully planned, and willfully carried out one of the worse crimes in this country, on an innocent little child.  Now they willfully "pose" as unstable with the help of legal representation.  We see it over and over!  ...they each blame the other more, and keep changing their tune.  Seems to me they are both as crazy as a fox. 

I say throw the book at them and quit wasting the tax payers $ on legal games.

It was sickening listing to the telecasts today;  we don't want to hear this!  Imagine Tori's loved ones.  If it hurts us, imagine how they feel.  What we want to hear is that both of them got at least 25 yrs. with no chance of parole ..... we'd be even happier if something happened to both of them ... something like they did to poor little Tori!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 16, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
This two should be thrown to a pack of hungry wolves... nothing more; nothing less.

<snip>

That's not fair.  What do you have against wolves?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 16, 2012, 10:21:06 PM
Today the court offered McLintock a chance to change her testimony, as if they never knew or even suspected that she was going to testify that she alone killed Tori. The crown is acting like they are surprised. Pretty well informing the jury that they believe McLintock is lying and pleading with her to change her story. Nice... all playing out live right in front of the jury.

Rules for the jury-

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rafferty -  Judge tells jury they can only consider evidence she gave on witness stand - this week McClintic told court she killed Tori
by citycynthia via twitter 3/16/2012 7:25:05 PM 12:25 PM
#rafferty - Judge - telling jury they cannot use video statement they just saw - in that statement McClintic claimed Rafferty killed Tori
by citycynthia via twitter 3/16/2012 7:24:29 PM 12:24 PM
#rafferty - jury back, judge talking to them about how McClintic's testimony has varied from May 24th statements to police

Ohh boy, who is orchestrating this crap? The prosecution has been duped into calling McLintock to testify against Rafferty but when she takes the stand she changes her testimony and exonerates Rafferty of the murder.  Same lawyer or law firm involved with both Mclintock and Rafferty?  UGLY UGLY UGLY....

In hind sight, McLintock should never have been allowed on the stand. She should never be allowed out of prison. You can't believe a word she says.

They need to make the case against Rafferty now with real evidence, forensics etc.. Show and tell time..
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 16, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Cape I am wondering how you knew he was originally from Newfound land?   I dont recall having read that any where so just wonder?  You didnt know this evil man did you?  Just curious as I must have missed that some where?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 17, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
This is truly a case where the death penalty is warranted.  I think of Clifford Olson, Pickton, Williams  and others at this time. I am amazed as to the human strength of the parents that can sit in the court house day after day and listen to the blow by blow heart wrenching and sickening  details leading to Tori's death.

How can these parents ever recover from this?

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 17, 2012, 12:01:47 PM
Jb I would think the parent will never be able to recover from this.  It may have been better for them in the long range if they had not attended and heard what these monsters did to their baby girl.  Just hearing this testimony of the witch would make a parent want to kill.  I know I could not be in that court room with out going for both of them and would end up in jail my self, but it would be worth it to me.  She didnt even have the decency to refuse to answer as it would incriminate her and spare the parents some of her evil .  JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 17, 2012, 01:02:14 PM
As I had questioned earlier, I wondered if the jury, and citizens will believe her? The defence is doing a great job of tearing her testimony apart, that is there job!

Well, you can count me in on the side of Believing her testimony.  She stated that she was just a junky, her self esteem was so low.  But now that she (her brain is no longer drug addled) she is now telling the truth. She was there, she saw it happen, she loved this creep, she picked up Tori and offered her to this monster. Her sentence will never be changed, but I do believe her.

He sent her on the shopping trip, he had her pick out a child, he probably hit Tori over the head with the hammer.  He thought it all out. Regardless, IMO, neither of them should see the light of day.  She, with her low self esteem, and drug addicted is a danger (in that she would find another sicko and be his slave to his bidding)>
JMO.

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Nish on March 17, 2012, 02:07:04 PM
This two should be thrown to a pack of hungry wolves... nothing more; nothing less.

<snip>

That's not fair.  What do you have against wolves?

Hrm. To think, we call creatures other than us the animals.

Re: those two...Kneel and face the ditch. I tried saying it nicely 8)

Nish
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 17, 2012, 02:19:29 PM
To think the parents are going through the second trial. They've been through all of this before. The first time having a publicity ban. And, the poor brother, still developing and forming trust for the world without his sibling. They deserve the saints award.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 17, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
I agree with you there concerned.  They are showing a lot more diginity that I would be able to that I can say for sure. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 18, 2012, 12:03:46 AM
Just for clarity should anyone read and misconstrue the intent of recent posts, legalistically speaking. Allthough the sentiment expressed on here is understandably and overwhelmingly in favour of just doing away with this pair of sickos, no one is advocating vigilantism or counselling anyone to take matters into their own hands. It is just an expression of the disgust everyone is feeling.

I'm quite sure we are all aware of and paying attention to the details now unfolding. This is no longer a slam dunk show trial. If Tori's parents can hold their emotions in check and bare to hear it all to ensure justice is done, we can try too. There are lessons to be learnt here. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Nish on March 18, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
Just for clarity should anyone read and misconstrue the intent of recent posts, legalistically speaking. Allthough the sentiment expressed on here is understandably and overwhelmingly in favour of just doing away with this pair of sickos, no one is advocating vigilantism or counselling anyone to take matters into their own hands. It is just an expression of the disgust everyone is feeling.


Cheers for saying it.

It was just an expression of my disgust.

I do not condone vigilantism nor so I support the death penalty. Some things I see make me wish I could.

Nish
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 18, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
Cape I am wondering how you knew he was originally from Newfound land?   I dont recall having read that any where so just wonder?  You didnt know this evil man did you?  Just curious as I must have missed that some where?

Eyes, no, my dear, I did not know this evil man. I am not a Newfie, I'm a Caper.  Originally when Raffery was first arrested, the news report indicated that he was originally from Newfoundland. Now how long he was in Toronto area, I do not know. But there has to be an original news story way back that states that. But that is what was told in the initial stages of them both being arrested. It maybe way back here somewhere, but I remember it as having been on a news report. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 18, 2012, 12:32:15 PM
No problem, many have stated their feelings on here and expressed the deepest of disgust in regard to some of the sickest actions we have ever heard of. Many of the police members themselves felt the same I'm sure. But we have a system, a system that is supposed to work for everyone and take care of all these sort of people meeting out an appropriate level of justice for all situations. That is where we should focus our attention and keep up the pressure to ensure the system is not abused and that there are no loopholes that can allow this slime to slither through the cracks.

The media is picking up on the potential implications of last weeks testimony. More and more questions are being asked concerning McLintocks credibility. What bearing with this have on the outcome?
from- http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1147813--tori-stafford-murder-trial-up-to-jury-to-judge-terri-lynne-mcclintic-s-credibility (http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1147813--tori-stafford-murder-trial-up-to-jury-to-judge-terri-lynne-mcclintic-s-credibility)

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LONDON, ONT. — I killed her. He killed her.

I’m guilty, she pleads.

I’m not guilty, he has pleaded.

When the jury left here Friday for an extended weekend off, they could be forgiven for being utterly discombobulated.


We have the makings of something quite strange going on here. The McLintock trial went on in virtual secrecy under a publication ban. We did not know then what she had said or what evidence she was convicted on other than her giving a confession.. Now we find out at the last moment that we have a flip flop underway playing out right on stage during the one and only live performance. How scripted is this? The Crown acts as if unprepared and as if this was their main (maybe one and only) linch pin. Where do they go with this and what do they do now? Those choices could have further and deeper implications yet.

The entire basis of the McLintock conviction itself comes under question. All of the basics, double jeopardy, witness credibility, Stockholm syndrome, police interrogation procedures, crown procedures, etc... possibly all called into play.     

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This could be a conundrum for the prosecution. McClintic had yet again fingered herself as a liar. Yet she's the Crown's witness and the only eyewitness, apparently, who can testify to Rafferty abducting Tori (McClintic the procuring accomplice) and sexually assaulting the youngster before, together, they buried the child beneath a pile of rocks at the end of a lonely country road outside Guelph on April 8, 2009. McClintic’s credibility is of immense importance.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 18, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
I am thinking they would also have DNA evidence as well since he raped her according to Tara, plus most likely trace evidence from her being in the car etc JMO


Thanks Cape , I have gone back and read and now see where I missed that he was orginally from Newfound land.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 18, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
In this kind of a case, it does not matter who struck Tori the final blows, because both of them did it in concert. So they are both guilty of FDM and let us hope the jury finds this. I believe that the jury won't worry their heads about who is the lesser guilty here, there is not lesser guilt. If hanging was in, my suggestion would be that they both swing from the same rope. :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 18, 2012, 03:11:38 PM
quote DI: The entire basis of the McLintock conviction itself comes under question. All of the basics, double jeopardy, witness credibility, Stockholm syndrome, police interrogation procedures, crown procedures, etc... possibly all called into play. unquote
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Excellent points made DI.  Do you feel that her testimony, may influence a lawyer to come to her defence for an appeal?

JB     

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 18, 2012, 04:02:46 PM
McLintock's testimony was that Rafferty had no plans for what to do with Tori after he assaulted her. She now claims she threw a fit of some kind and that she alone killed Tori.

I am just pointing out the unusual circumstance and voicing the potential for something not anticipated. I would hope that it is and will be as Cape says,
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In this kind of a case, it does not matter who struck Tori the final blows, because both of them did it in concert. So they are both guilty of FDM and let us hope the jury finds this
   

Legally, I wonder if that test (working in concert) has been met. It is something to watch for. The testimony and tact taken is unusual and if it has any purpose, it is to exonerate Rafferty. If so, there would have to be a legal basis to proceed down this road. McLintock has said a lot of things for reasons yet unknown and many of the words chosen were obviously not her own. Is she setting it up for the defence? The judges final instruction to the jury will be crucial.

JB, if I were a chess player and I looked way down the road to the end game; and if Rafferty should by some slim chance convince the court that McLintock was dilusional or lying or retarded or that her testimony was coached or contrived and cannot be believed for any reason, those same reasons would be foundational to dispute McLintocks conviction based on McLintocks own confession.

In other words, if Rafferty should walk on any of this, McLintock has a faint hope of doing so herself. Taking the blame out of love for Rafferty? Ha. jmo 

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 18, 2012, 04:17:54 PM
Haha - D1, I get what you are saying!

JB
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 18, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
I see you point D1 , but I am thinking that since it was his car, and he was the one with the changes of clothes and the one who bought the hair dye, that the jury can see he is as guilty as she is.  I dont think he will walk on this JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 18, 2012, 04:50:45 PM
I am not saying it will succeed, just that what we are seeing may be explained as the procedure being employed in an attempt to have him declared not guilty of murder. 

And just along that same line, (for legal arguments sake) who was the source of the info saying that Rafferty bought the hair dye and supplied the clothes? Derived from the fruit of the same poison branch should McLintock's testimony be deemed unreliable.

The blood and dna in the car can be argued was derived from the sexual assault alone, (of which McLintock has already provided the necessary details in support of) she places the assault as having taken place in the car and notes bleeding afterwards.

Just a reminder, this is the prosecution phase at work right now. It is far from over but hopefully it will change direction very quickly and decisively. If not the defense is going to have a field day. jmo
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 18, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
I vaguely remember somebody saying that Rafferty was from NewFoundLand and something about him working as a butcher in Guelph.  Can't find those postings right now, but came across these interesting ones in my search:

Here's an old video on YouTube where they interview Rafferty's former girlfriend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7XesJOsnnk

An old Toronto Star article about Rafferty, May 2009:
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/638574--tori-murder-accused-intelligent-and-weird

Another one talks about an ex-girlfriend from Hanover, May 2009:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/05/21/9520751-sun.html

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 18, 2012, 07:36:14 PM
He said Tori was too old when his girlfriend brought her to him. They scouted for young children and knew the children of the area and where they lived. Surely this was not his first. To think he has a child one year younger than Tori. Is that child ok? Is that child's friends ok? Were his relatives young children ok?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 18, 2012, 07:54:44 PM
The more I read of this sickening trial the more I believe they were trying to be like The French/ Mahaffy perps. Tori's case is like substituting in McClintic for H and Rafferty in for B when H gave her own little sister over to B because she was younger and a virgin. I hope the crown learned and gained insight into how evil people can be and are solidly prepared to bring justice jointly to McClintic and Rafferty who acted together in such a disgusting crime. It would be pathetic for these 2 to be out on the street because they are good liars.  ( this is my rant if evidence shows they were both at the crime scene)  Evil people do not need bleeding hearts ---they're called enablers.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 18, 2012, 10:05:09 PM

I found the same comparison as you JooJoo.

I am glad that the Police are getting pretty quick at catching the perps these days, especially in this case & with the Colonel.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 19, 2012, 07:49:11 AM
This is a long, but informative article:     
 
By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: March-19-12 7:06 AM
Tori Stafford's parents show solidarity with slain girl

Tori Stafford’s mother and father, like the parents of other slain children, sit through all the criminal proceedings, willing themselves to hear the details of their daughter’s last hours, no matter how horrific or painful the evidence.

They can’t help it, says a Toronto lawyer who has worked closely with victims’ families. They’re compelled by a need to be there for their child, to somehow protect her in death after being unable to protect her in life.

“It’s nothing short of excruciating for them,” said Tim Danson, who represented the families of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy, the teenagers killed by Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka in 1991.

“I’ve always been amazed at how resilient these families are and their ability to withstand the horror and shock of what happened to their child."

Danson is closely following events in London, Ont., where Michael Rafferty, 31, is on trial for first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and abduction.

Tara McDonald and Rodney Stafford, the parents of the eight-year-old victim, Victoria "Tori" Stafford, have been in the courtroom every day.

Convicted killer gives evidence

Last week, the most disturbing testimony came from Terri-Lynne McClintic, 21, who pleaded guilty in April 2010 to first-degree murder of the Woodstock girl and is serving a life sentence. She is the Crown’s star witness against Rafferty, her former boyfriend.

McClintic told the court that one day in April 2009, she lured Tori after school to a car where Rafferty waited. He drove them to a Home Depot in Guelph, so McClintic could buy garbage bags and a hammer, and then to an isolated spot north of the city, where Rafferty raped Tori, the court heard.

Contradicting earlier statements to police, McClintic said it was she, not Rafferty, who kicked Tori, bludgeoned her with a claw hammer and killed her. She and Rafferty then put the child in garbage bags and buried her under some rocks, McClintic testified.

Outside court Friday, Rodney Stafford told reporters it is difficult to hear the brutal details, but people need to know what happened.

“People have to know how horrifying it was,” he said. “This was an eight-year-old girl, totally defenseless against a 28-year-old male and an 18-year-old female. Two pit bulls after a Chihuahua is what it is. If both those pit bulls attack that Chihuahua they would be put down. Enough said.”

Danson, who is not representing Tori Stafford’s parents, said that in his 30 years of legal experience, he has never had to persuade the parents in such cases to attend court, and there is some consistency in how they deal with it.

Danson has also acted for the families of Holly Jones, 10, who was snatched off a Toronto street and killed by Michael Briere, a software developer, in 2003, and Christopher Stephenson, 11, who was abducted from a Brampton, Ont., shopping mall in 1988 and killed by Joseph Fredericks, a convicted child molester.

Can't abandon their child

The parents experience a “unique dichotomy,” Danson said. On one hand, they do not want to hear about the terror and anguish of their child’s final moments. On the other hand, they feel they must.

“They were not able to be with their child when it was important to protect them, so not being in the courtroom in solidarity with them is unthinkable. If they're not there, they feel like they've abandoned their child.”

Sitting through the trial also helps bring a degree of closure, he added.

“They need to know the truth because without having answers to their questions, they cannot move forward.”

But there is some evidence that families do not need to see or hear, and Danson has acted as a buffer, protecting them against the worst of it, such as gruesome autopsy and crime scene photos or videotapes of the deaths.

In the Bernardo case, for example, Danson watched the videotapes of the sexual attacks and deaths, the crime scene photos and certain other hard evidence, not just for the French and Mahaffy families but for Jane Doe who survived.

He persuaded the families not to be in court when the tapes were played and successfully fought to have the images on the tapes shown only to the judge, jury and court stenographers. The news media and others in the public gallery were limited to hearing the soundtrack.

“I feel incredibly protective of these children and when I see the extent of their violation on videotape, why should anyone else want to see this degradation and humiliation?” Danson asked.

After the appeals process ran its course, he successfully fought on behalf of the families to have the tapes destroyed.

Danson also pushed to have Homolka’s plea bargain nullified on the grounds that she lied to the Crown about her involvement in the deaths. This effort failed, but he was successful in blocking Homolka’s parole to ensure she served her full 12-year sentence for manslaughter. She was released in 2005, while Bernardo is serving a life sentence.

Details can't be avoided at trial

The families don’t typically read or see media coverage of a trial, which for the most part so far in the Stafford case has not been excessive, Danson said.

There can be no “sanitation” of the crime during trial because that would hamper the prosecution in its quest for a life sentence with no appeal, and also because the evidence provides a factual foundation in any future parole hearings, Danson said.

“The open court principle is sacrosanct to any democratic society,” he said. “The murder of a child is disturbing no matter how you cover it, but the public has to know the justice system is working.

“You can describe the murder without going into every gory detail. Tori was murdered by hammer blows to the head. Yes, you should report the method of death to show the heinous and cowardly nature of it, but beyond that, describing crime scene and autopsy photos is going too far and gratuitous.”

Danson, who specializes in civil and corporate commercial law, never thought when he was a law student that he would become an advocate for victims in criminal cases.

“It has an emotional impact on your life, your family and your pocketbook,” he said.

Families for the most part cannot afford to hire lawyers, so Danson has done it all pro bono, including representing the Stephenson family at a five-month inquest after the criminal trial.

The recommendations from that inquest laid the blueprint for justice reform, including a national DNA database, provincial and federal sexual offender registries and the sharing of information between the mental health and criminal justice systems.

After delivering its recommendations, the inquest jury took the extraordinary move of holding a news conference to highlight the key role Danson played in bringing issues to their attention from the perspective of victims and their families.

The Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime wants victims or their families in certain cases, such as sexual assault, murder and domestic violence, to have their own legal representation in court, said its executive director, Heidi Illingworth.

“We believe victims should have standing and a right to representation paid for by the state,” as is the case in Japan, France and some U.S. states, she said.

“But it would take a huge shift in thinking in this country for that to happen.”

While the Crown represents the public interest and the defence ensures the accused’s interests are safeguarded, there is no one in court to represent victims or their families, she said. Courts do assign victim services workers to help families, but they are often so overloaded they cannot be in court every day, she added.

“So while [victims and families] are not excluded, they’re observers at best,” Illingworth said. “Unless they have a lawyer, they are not parties to the proceedings. It can compound their feelings of anger, frustration and helplessness.”

A severe drain on families

In addition to the emotional toll, being in court can also take a financial toll on families, who have to take time off work, sometimes for several months, to attend, Illingworth said.

The process can leave families so drained that only 11 per cent across Canada provide the court with victim impact statements.

Having someone like Danson to lean on is a godsend for victims’ families, Illingworth said. Danson developed a close bond with the French and Mahaffy families, routinely getting calls from them at 2 a.m. during trial. They have stayed in touch, getting together a couple of times a year, as well as exchanging Christmas cards.

He is often asked whether such families recover from the trauma.

“Never. They never get over it,” he said. “They learn coping mechanisms but there’s always a hole in their hearts. Christmas, birthdays, weddings, other family events are sometimes moments of hurtful reflection.”

Danson has found that parents with other children cope better because they still feel they have a purpose — to raise and protect their remaining children.

Danson tells them to imagine what their murdered child would say, looking down on them in their grief.

“I say, “If Kristen, Leslie, Christopher, Holly or Tori could talk to you, you know what they would say in terms of getting on with your life.’

“You need to live as full and happy a life as possible. A downward spiral where life is nothing but a living hell means the killer has conquered not only your child but also conquered you
a.msn.com/local/toronto/tori-staffords-parents-show-solidarity-with-slain-girl-3
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 19, 2012, 05:53:42 PM
They both deserve, o burn. That is for certain.  I am sure they got both their DNA. I know i get tears in my eyes when i think about the horror this little girl went through. Just so sad and horriffic (sp).
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 19, 2012, 11:12:04 PM
There were no updates today on the trial .  Will post as they come.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 20, 2012, 04:56:23 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/194555--trial-for-tori-stafford-s-accused-killer-resumes-tuesday
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 21, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
Todays updates on the trial

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/194832--mcclintic-expected-on-stand-wednesday-at-michael-rafferty-murder-trial


I am hoping her change in testimoney does not may things easyer for Rafferty

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/191433--live-michael-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on March 21, 2012, 09:21:07 AM
I don't think it will. The only thing that it does is questions her credibility as a witness in this case. It seems like every time I turn around she is coming up with a new version of events. I am sure the jurors are taking notes on this.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 21, 2012, 01:03:02 PM
Wow!
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The jury watched portions of the video last week and was cautioned that they couldn't use it as evidence, but the judge told them Wednesday morning he has ruled they can now consider it against Rafferty.

The judge has done some reconsidering and may have thwarted Rafferty's defence strategy with this move.

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Legally, I wonder if that test (working in concert) has been met. It is something to watch for. The testimony and tact taken is unusual and if it has any purpose, it is to exonerate Rafferty. If so, there would have to be a legal basis to proceed down this road. McLintock has said a lot of things for reasons yet unknown and many of the words chosen were obviously not her own. Is she setting it up for the defence? The judges final instruction to the jury will be crucial.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 21, 2012, 02:40:10 PM

If memory serves me correct, this is the same Judge (Thomas Heeney) who presided over the case of the Banditos Biker murder trials a few years ago.  I can't remember the details, but he made some pretty tough calls and precedent-setting decisions in that case as well.

Ironically enough, he's from Woodstock.  He has to drive to London everyday.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 21, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
D1, I don't think anything that they say here is going to sway the jury on this one. They both were there, they did not do anything to help her. It doesn't matter who struck her, they are both guilty of FDM. And the fact that the video was played back for the jury, this is great. Now they can see this McClintoc, she is looking for a news story for herself.  Do you remember what they said about OJ Simpson, after he was found NG. He could not stand not having his name in the news and McClintoc is the same. This will be the only time she'll have her mouth out there for 25 years and she'll go back in her cell and life will go on and her name will be gone from the news. Well OJ couldn't stand not being in the news and finally he got out there and he committed another crime, so he's in jail serving time now. So what goes around comes around. And I have every confidence Rafferty is not going to be getting anything but the maximum penalty for this crime, I have no doubts at all. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 21, 2012, 04:59:27 PM
This is an interesting judge. A few scant days after not allowing McLintock's video confession in as evidence, he completely switches that decision. Why?

Unlike us and as we all know, a jury has to follow rules in a decision making process. We can be outraged and call for the accused's heads based on whatever we have heard and seen from any multitude of sources. Not so the jury.

As far as I know this jury has been instructed as pretty well all are at the onset of the trial and must abide by the rules. As it was, McLintock had pretty well exonerated Rafferty of committing the murder, demonstrated herself to be a liar, relegating everything she said to be tarred by the same brush. None of her testimony had any merit as it were in a legal sense. None of the actions and motives she attributed to Rafferty could be accepted as fact on her word alone. The source was poisoned and all that flowed from it, likewise.

The jury would have been hamstrung by the judges earlier decision not to allow McLintock's video taped confession in. Whether they wanted to convict Rafferty or not, they would not have been allowed to do so without a great deal more evidence. The reference to swaying the jury was being made at this time in regard to McLintock's testimony alone. We have not yet heard what else they have in the way of evidence against Rafferty. Hopefully a lot more, but so far, based on what had been entered, the jury could not have convicted Rafferty IMO. Of course that was before the judge changed his position and we have yet to see the rest of the case unfold. A very important decision by this judge IMO. 

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Rules of evidence have been developed over the years to insure that trials are fair and orderly, and the judge acts as a gatekeeper for the evidence that comes into court. Insofar as the jury is concerned, the evidence is only that which the judge permits the jury to consider. For instance, statements and arguments of the lawyers are not evidence, and neither is testimony that the jury has heard, but which the judge has ordered stricken from the record. A juror must treat all such testimony as though it had never been given. Similarly, matters that a lawyer offers to prove, but which the judge will not allow to be presented, are not to be considered as evidence. Jurors are not to consider personal knowledge or any other information about the witnesses, parties, lawyers or issues connected with the case than that which is presented in the trial.

All you had was McLintocks word that she did it entered into evidence at this stage, at this time. The jury can only consider what evidence the judge allows in as far as I know. The judges about face was for a very important reason and is for the best imo. Of course we are not constricted by the same rules as a jury and are free to decide whatever way we wish in our own minds. We didn't require the directive.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 21, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
update


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/194832--court-shown-video-of-mcclintic-s-police-interview-at-rafferty-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 21, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Court today-
We get more background info and deeper insights..

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After the video was played Rafferty's lawyer, Dirk Derstine, began cross-examining her, and showed a long series of letters she wrote while in custody before the killing. They are filled with gory, violent imagery, talk of wanting to go on a "killing spree" and Crips gang symbols. They paint a picture of someone who had built a reputation in custody as a tough, violent person, who bragged that even the guards were afraid of her, court heard.

In the letter in which McClintic talks about wanting to smash someone's skull, she describes ways in which she would torture her victim, including lighting them on fire.

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In that letter she also talked about dyeing her hair so she wouldn't be recognized. When she was arrested, a box of hair dye was found in her room. She has testified Rafferty bought it for her and urged her to use it after Tori's killing, but she didn't get a chance before her arrest

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Tori's father, Rodney Stafford, spoke to reporters on Wednesday.

He called McClintic's altered version of events "weird."

"She was accepting the guilty plea and pointing fingers the other way but now she's changing things, it's kind of weird, it's really weird," he said.

"They've got to do everything they can to get the truth out, that's all that matters. The evidence is going to show everything."

How often has anyone shown up in court as a crown witness only to testify in a manner that completely contradicts their own statement without the crown prosecuter knowing beforehand? The prosecuter fed her (McClintic) the questions for which she had the prepared answers. He did not stop or request an adjournment when she changed her testimony did he?

as Tori's dad Rodney said-
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it's kind of weird, it's really weird,"
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 21, 2012, 07:16:53 PM
After reading all the information from the trial today---there is cause to have her labelled as a dangerous offender IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 21, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
I have to agree. Weird.
She is one messed up person, is all I can figure.  If she didn't actually touch Tori in a harmful way, why would she take the fall at her own trial, and then turn face here?  Does she enjoy the 'power' she finally feels?   She is a danger.

The truth is Rafferty planned this...it was a well thought out crime.(sick as it was).  He too is a danger.

I opened one of the links Mom provided on the previous page, and I noticed it mentions that Rafferty used the Plenty of Fish dating website. (I believe back in 2007).  Another article mentions a dating site, but not which one.  I wasn't sure if that has already been mentioned in these pages, so I thought I would point that out.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 21, 2012, 08:53:20 PM
THIS IS THE NEWS NEWS UPDATE.  THIS IS A RAW VIDEO OF HER FIRST INTERVIEW WITH THE POLICE WHERE SHE SAID WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.  I AM WARNING EVERYONE BEFORE THE WATCH IT THAT IT IS A PRETTY HARD VIDEO TO WATCH.  I WAS NOT ABLE TO FINISH WATCHING IT I HAD TO TURN IT OFF I DIDNT HAVE THE HEART, but here it is for those that want to see it.


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/194961--raw-video-terri-lynne-mcclintic-s-police-interview
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 21, 2012, 11:13:08 PM
Interesting police interview-----after this I'd like to know why she would want to take the fall for R,  clearly her answers and reactions are real----not like the scripted display she is giving in court....now to hope the physical evidence sinks him.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 21, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
This is the part that Rodney and everyone else is having trouble trying to make sense of. McClintic flipped her story but there is no readily apparent reason for her to be doing so. She pled out to first degree already based on her own first statement, ie:  Rafferty being the killer. 

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"She was accepting the guilty plea and pointing fingers the other way but now she's changing things,

Cape and others believe it is likely just a publicity ploy, last shot at infamy sort of thing. Some cite McClintic having some form of love for Rafferty, some say she thinks she may get conjugal visits if Rafferty is acquitted.

The interview, well maybe not good viewing just before bed but a pretty interesting and unsettling piece. Which version was the act? If the first story was real, who and how did they get to her to change her testimony afterwards? Why has this been allowed to play out in open court in front of the jury? Especially with that publicity ban on the first trial. What was said and testified to then in that trial? I find it equally strange to have this just coming out now and being allowed, under an exception according to the judge. From what I've seen in the past, disclosure and pretrial evidence and witness testimony is heavily vetted before admittance; crown witnesses especially those in custody are questioned coached groomed and readied. This is a strange turn of events!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 22, 2012, 04:54:29 AM
Do you think the Judge wants to make sure they throw the book at Rafferty too?  That interview should seal his fate.  In my opinion.
I too, had to stop watching it, I cannot bare to "picture" the scene.  It is too heartbreaking.

RIP Tori
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 22, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
Just thinking here----possibly she has changed her story because Rafferty has gotten through to her---as a manipulator as he was allowed many visits with her after her arrest, or he has possibly threatened her in some way.  The evidence will show who did what.  A reason the tape was possibly played now was because the crown may have gone into this trial with her fingering Rafferty as the killer and she changed her mind at the last moment. Still R and M are both guilty if the evidence shows this.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 22, 2012, 09:36:39 AM
one more update in the news


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/195103--mcclintic-faces-further-cross-examination-at-rafferty-murder-trial-thursday
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 22, 2012, 11:07:16 AM
The judge has taken exceptional and unusual measures in regard to this situation. I can only assume that he is well aware of what is going on and why and is doing what he can to level the field. As it were, if only the latest testimony and not the interview was allowed, that would have placed the judge in a facilitating position. This way the judge remains a neutral arbitrator and the jury gets to decide on it all.

The picture being painted of TM by the defence is far different and much worse than we had been told before. Gang affiliations are even being intimated and insinuated.

If TM and MR had arranged this skit during jailhouse meetings, are those not monitored and can they not be recorded? TM was a suspect within days of the murder and she was taken into custody almost immediately. MR showed up to visit numerous times, the police considered him as the prime suspect for an accomplice right away. He was arrested after the police interview with TM, how many times did MR show up to visit between the time of the interview and his arrest? I also don't see these two being smart enough to dream up or of being capable of attempting to pull this off by themselves. If they did try it, I can't see the Crown not being aware of their plans. There should be no surprises at this level a trial.  There is still a missing ingredient for a viable explanation. IMO

Even now, although TM has been convicted herself, does anyone know what she testified to in her own trial to earn a fdm conviction? Upon first hearing of TM's change in testimony, (that she did it) the media initially regarded that as an ah ha moment to explain TM pleading guilty to fdm charges and her subsequent conviction.

But even if that were so, (TM secretly took the blame at her own trial) you chance only getting one solid conviction out of that in reality. How do you construct a conclusive case to get a major conviction on the second party too when the other party is trying to take the entire rap??

There are a lot of pieces left on the board and the defence has only just begun to make their move. Hopefully this will all make sense in the end and justice will prevail. Right now it is a strangely convoluted and twisted situation to fathom.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 22, 2012, 03:55:21 PM
todays update there will be another after this in a sec


http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/195276--mcclintic-refutes-suggestion-she-drove-events-that-led-to-tori-stafford-s-death
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 22, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
trial update

http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 22, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
31 years old. she is and i think to when i was this age. wow. I really don't know what to say about this case anymore.  When is the trial over and sentencing starts? one thought pops into my mind. How could she stand by and let this man do that to this little girl. Didn't she want to stop him. or was she jealous and took it out on her.

wonder what story is true. yeah that is my thought.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 22, 2012, 04:50:17 PM
rain storm she isnt 31 rather she is 21 now, 17 I believe when she committed the crime.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 22, 2012, 05:36:57 PM
Hmm k well i thought on global national said 31......
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: PEIslander on March 22, 2012, 07:19:03 PM
If memory serves me right, and without disrespect, I remember when the search for Tori was on that the website Plenty of Fish had both Rafferty and Tara MacDonald, also.  There were photos of Tara with both children on her page.


I opened one of the links Mom provided on the previous page, and I noticed it mentions that Rafferty used the Plenty of Fish dating website. (I believe back in 2007).  Another article mentions a dating site, but not which one.  I wasn't sure if that has already been mentioned in these pages, so I thought I would point that out.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 22, 2012, 09:40:26 PM
That would be another interesting connection, Tara and Rafferty on the same dating site, same time, same town.  TM claimed that MR was scouting and knew all of the single women in the area and which kids were who's and where they all lived. But when asked today whether she met or knew Tori before, McClintic denied it.
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McClintic also denied suggestions that she knew Tori, whose old house was near McClintic's aunt's home and whose new house was blocks away from McClintic's. When McClintic approached Tori that day she says she talked about shih tzus, though she says she was unaware Tori had a shih tzu.

Tori's mother and her mother's boyfriend bought drugs from McClintic's mother, but she insisted she did not know them beyond a passing acquaintance. McClintic has said she grabbed Tori outside her Woodstock, Ont., elementary school because she was the only child who was alone.

TM claimed that Tori's mother had an outstanding drug debt, $20,000.00. Seems TM did know some things about Tori's family after all if true.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 22, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
Lots of denying that McClintic knew Tori and her Mom----but it will be interesting to know if Rafferty knew them even in passing----if he scouted houses for single women as McClintic has testified.

I can't figure the defence---the worse they paint McClintic= the worse Rafferty looks choosing her as a girlfriend....and if she did kill Tori I think he would be larger and stronger than her to stop it from happening=guilty as charged.....sexual assault+death=FDM   he better hope there is no physical evidence of him being at the crime scene eg. his car etc.      IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 23, 2012, 01:35:22 AM
Good take on Rafferty's choice of girlfriends. joo joo  Hopefully that reflection isn't lost on what is likely to be a very confused jury.

McClintic has muddied the waters and accomplished whatever her mission was. The media is doing a better job than was expected and has been providing more coverage than we had been led to believe they would. They will soon move along from McClintic, not much she says can be accepted as fact anymore. Everything she has claimed may eventually be thrown out or disregarded by this jury. What else can you do? She apparently now claims that she only decided to change her testimony just days before the start of the trial. The whole thing seems fishy.

The defence seems prepared and on a purposeful track to somewhere. They have had full disclosure, have seen the evidence, they know what they have to refute. They seem to be readying us for some alternate explanation. Whether McClintic is still working in concert with MR 's defence may show soon. It's time to see the real physical evidence.. It may seem a lost cause on the part of the defence from our perspective at this juncture, a hail Mary pass in effect...  but....?????
Hopefully they have the goods.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 23, 2012, 03:33:46 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/195276--i-never-had-murder-on-my-mind-mcclintic-says-at-tori-stafford-murder-trial

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 23, 2012, 05:21:59 AM
Even if confusing and ever-changing, there must be some value in McClintic's testimony. Perhaps it is as simple as 1) premeditated, 2) he knew in advance and participated, 3) she grabbed Tori for his pleasure, 4) he had every opportunity to not take them in the car but he still did, 5) there were multiple points where they both could turn back, make appropriate choices, make humane choices, but together still accomplished their "plan", 6) at multiple times both parties had the opportunity to tell the other to stop or do the right time, but I see no evidence that either did, at any time. 7) both left her dead, or to die.  8 ) both made arrangements to cover up. Whatever way you cut it, she's telling the story. Neither scenario in my mind makes either less guilty. Without her testimony being heard at all, that story wouldn't get out. So if she thinks she is protecting him, she should think better. Hopefully, the evidence is overwhelming.  Didn't he joke that his day was going to be made? Didn't he wait and pick them up? Wasn't this all for his rape and pleasure? Didn't they have murder tools? Plastic bags? Hair die? Plan alibis? Didn't he rape her then after a short break do it again? Could it be proven that the damage he did alone by rape, kicking, etc...could have caused death even without hammer blows? Especially if left in barren woods to die. You can't tell me they thought they would do this and then happily bring her back to school the next day.  Perhaps there is some great value to her testimony. The picture no matter how you cut it has been painted. Now lets see if the prosecution frames it in a way that brings justice to Tori.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 23, 2012, 07:00:23 AM
I could find Rafferty guilty on the evidence, if I was on the Jury.   He did pre-meditate this crime.  He is the one that already went and bought a change of clothes, not only for himself, but for McClintic.  Sounds to me like he gave the instructions, and stupid McClintic followed them.  We know he raped poor Tori.  I'm pretty sure they did buy the bags and hammer on their way to the area where they murdered Tori. 

I have to admit I was confused.   I thought McClintic took the fall at her trial and that is why she got life in jail.....but NO.....she is taking the fall NOW.   How did she get life then?  Actually her sentence makes me feel more confident Rafferty will also get the same.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on March 23, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
I'm hoping we will be provided with factual, undisputable evidence, such as DNA found on Tori, to prove that Rafferty is guilty.  That way the rantings of McClintic will not matter.  I think that she is testifying to her own benefit.  Regardless of what she did, she is in jail for 25 years.  She has to look tought, portray herself as a killer, to the other inmates in jail, so that she is safe, and that they fear her.  If she says Rafferty did it, and she was just a victim who had to go along, she will get her a$$ kicked in jail.  The other inmates will think she's a wimp  and gang up on her.  If Rafferty is guilty, and I believe that he is, I'm hoping there will be sufficient evidence that is concrete and cannot be refuted or challenged, so that he gets his just rewards regardless of his idiot girlfriend's testimony.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 23, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
One other thing I think will injure the defence totally--- the fact that they are painting her out to be such a liar that there is an excellent possibility that her changing her story so close to his trial is just another lie to show him she still has some delusional loyalty to him IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on March 23, 2012, 12:07:02 PM
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Christie+Blatchford+McClintic+pointed+police+Tori+mother+partner/6346610/story.html

Christie Blatchford: McClintic pointed police to Tori's mother, partner
 
Defence lawyer grills woman on her violent past, 'anger issues'
 
By Christie Blatchford, Edmonton Journal March 23, 2012
   StoryPhotos ( 3 )

 Tori Stafford was last seen on April 8, 2009, in Woodstock, Ont. Terri-Lynne McClintic, bottom right, has pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the case. Michael Rafferty, top right, pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm. McClintic resumed giving evidence Friday in Rafferty's murder trial.Photograph by: Stafford Family; Facebook , National PostIn the sewer of evidence emerging at the Michael Rafferty murder trial here, the revulsion bar, never high, grows ever lower.

On Thursday, Ontario Superior Court Judge Thomas Heeney and the jurors learned that the young woman who only very recently has confessed to killing Victoria (Tori) Stafford herself once attempted to point the finger of suspicion at the little girl's mother and stepfather.

It came in a key May 19, 2009, interview Terri-Lynne McClintic had with Ontario Provincial Police Det.-Sgt. Jim Smyth.

The officer asked her to "play armchair detective" and offer her theory of "what you think has happened here."

After some hemming and hawing, McClintic said she had heard that Tara McDonald, the little girl's mother, had a large drug debt and said something equally vicious about McDonald's partner, James Goris.

Later on in the same interview, McClintic went on to admit for the first time that she was the mysterious woman in the white jacket seen on security video walking Tori away from her school and that she had lured the eight-year-old away and that Rafferty allegedly had sexually assaulted her.

That day, she stopped short of admitting she had seen a murder, and when she did, just five days later, she told Smyth it was Rafferty who was the actual killer of the little girl, who allegedly had first kicked and stomped her before hitting her in the head with a hammer.

The revelation of her trying to blame Tori's mother and Goris came during pointed cross-examination by Dirk Derstine, Rafferty's lawyer.

McClintic denied she had been trying to implicate the pair, said she was merely repeating information Rafferty had told her and suggested this was part of her psychological inability at the time to admit that she could ever have been involved in such a thing.

While McClintic almost two years ago pleaded guilty to and was convicted of first-degree murder in Tori's slaying, it was only in January this year that she belatedly confessed that she was the one who had kicked and hammered the little girl to death.

Consistent among her central statements is that she lured Tori away to a waiting Rafferty sitting nearby in his car; that Rafferty allegedly raped her, and that they both wrapped her body in garbage bags and tossed it onto a rock pile in the southwestern Ontario countryside. That, in other words, theirs was a joint enterprise.

Her stunning late-in-the-game admission came first on Jan. 13 to a prison counsellor, who told police, and on the next day, to detectives.

As Derstine put it, if it took her almost three years to "finally come to accept that you were the one who killed Tori, when will you accept that you were the engine who drove the events of that day?"

"That will never happen," McClintic snapped, "because it isn't the truth."

With frequent but vague references to a violent and abusive childhood - as a sampler, mother and daughter frequently "cooked up" OxyContin together, and her mother once allegedly burned her with a cigarette and she was punched in the eye so seriously she lost 70 per cent of her vision - McClintic claims to have developed a survivor's ability to block things out.

As she put it once of the several times she spoke of it, usually tearfully, "I had pushed things out of my mind, I just couldn't believe what had happened had happened. I just couldn't believe I had been involved in something like that.

"I don't deny I've been violent," she said, "but I'm not violent toward children. I never hurt a child in my life, and to try to fathom and comprehend that a child has lost her life at my hands is something I could not comprehend."

Her criminal record, serious and violent for such a young woman; her omnivorous appetite for drugs and the memory lapses caused by overdoses; her lengthy letters and diaries in which she raged and threatened to rain death on those who had wronged her - or their families - and detailed her lurid fantasies all gave Derstine plenty of ammunition.

She had to admit, she said once, that her writings were filled with "savage" imagery, but they were, for the most part she said, a way for her to work out her anger issues.

"You confessed under oath to beating a child to death with a hammer," Derstine said. "It's a little bit more than anger issues, wouldn't you agree?"

After a long pause during which McClintic appeared to struggle for words, she finally said, "I agree that, I would say there were many things at play that day. I'm not going to make excuses, I'll never make excuses for what happened, but things were more complicated than just me and my anger issues."

Her several statements to police also provided rich fodder for Derstine.

He played for the jurors excerpts from her first videotaped interview, on April 12, 2009, just four days after the little girl had disappeared from view as if by black magic.

McClintic appeared relaxed, chatty and even sunny, in the interview, even when she was shown the infamous video of the white-jacketed woman. "Seeing a picture of yourself walking with Tori was not enough to break the block?" Derstine asked.

As he remarked later of McClintic's performance in another of the early interviews, when she was denying everything, "it all came out so naturally, it just flowed, as if it was the truth?"

"Yes," McClintic admitted. Toward the end of the day, as Derstine grew sarcastic, asking questions prefaced with a variant of, "So it's not your fault then?", McClintic gave as good as she got.

"I'm not saying that," she said once. "I did what I did.

"But I'm not the only guilty party here, and that's why I'm sitting here today."

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 23, 2012, 12:31:31 PM
Tori Stafford murder trial: McClintic was killing’s mastermind, lawyer charges

Published On Fri Mar 23 2012
 
 
LONDON, ONT.—It was Terri-Lynne McClintic, not Michael Rafferty, who was the driving force in Tori Stafford's  abduction and murder, and the little girl was killed because of a drug debt, Rafferty’s lawyer told his client’s trial Friday.

Dirk Derstine suggested that McClintic had abducted Tori because of a drug debt and then offered her sexually to Rafferty.

Derstine said his client turned down the offer and walked away. When he returned, the lawyer said, McClintic had already killed Tori.

“Mr. Rafferty came back after the death...he was horrified but helped you (clean up),” said Derstine.

“I disagree,” said McClintic vehemently.

Tori, 8, was abducted on April 8 2009. McClintic and Rafferty, then her boyfriend, were arrested a month later and charged with abduction and murder. McClintic pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in April 2010.

Rafferty, 31, is accused in the first-degree murder, sexual assault and abduction.

McClintic is the Crown’s star witness in his trial, which began March 5. 

Derstine also told the jury how McClintic got into a fight with another inmate at the Grand Valley Institution for Women just seven weeks ago, during which she kicked and stomped on the other woman, who ended up curled in a fetal position on the floor.

“I confronted her about some things and things escalated,” said McClintic. “And we got into a scrap.”

Derstine reminded her it was more than a scrap. “You were kicking and stomping on her.”

“Yes, I did assault her,” McClintic replied.

Earlier Friday, Derstine played the court songs by Necro, one of McClintic’s favourite bands, which make references to abduction, killing and cleaning up.

The trial continues.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1151011--tori-stafford-murder-trial-mcclintic-was-killing-s-mastermind-lawyer-charges (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1151011--tori-stafford-murder-trial-mcclintic-was-killing-s-mastermind-lawyer-charges)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 23, 2012, 12:39:47 PM
MR's excuse is now out, will be hard to make it fly imo..

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LONDON, ONT.—It was Terri-Lynne McClintic, not Michael Rafferty, who was the driving force in Tori Stafford's  abduction and murder, and the little girl was killed because of a drug debt, Rafferty’s lawyer told his client’s trial Friday.

Dirk Derstine suggested that McClintic had abducted Tori because of a drug debt and then offered her sexually to Rafferty.

Derstine said his client turned down the offer and walked away. When he returned, the lawyer said, McClintic had already killed Tori.

and other testimony/ questioning is making sense now. -

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The revelation of her trying to blame Tori's mother and Goris came during pointed cross-examination by Dirk Derstine, Rafferty's lawyer.

McClintic denied she had been trying to implicate the pair, said she was merely repeating information Rafferty had told her and suggested this was part of her psychological inability at the time to admit that she could ever have been involved in such a thing.

The defence is on to things that even we have speculated upon in the past. How much did the perpetrators know about Tori and her family beforehand and was that part of a plan of premeditation? 

Seems it was part of the initial alibi offered up immediately afterwards by McClintic who had coincidentally worn a jacket similar to the one owned by Tara to commit the abduction, used references to a dog Tori was known to have, lured Tori to a location (nursing home) where suggestion was made earlier that Tara was there too at the time picking up drugs.   

Still very strange coincidence..
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 23, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
It just doesn't quit. After McClintic testified and claimed to have become a changed person, now admitting to and shouldering the blame for what she had done in the past, the defence offers up another more recent incident in a pattern of assaults going back many tears. .

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McClintic is the Crown’s star witness in his trial, which began March 5. 

Derstine also told the jury how McClintic got into a fight with another inmate at the Grand Valley Institution for Women just seven weeks ago, during which she kicked and stomped on the other woman, who ended up curled in a fetal position on the floor.

“I confronted her about some things and things escalated,” said McClintic. “And we got into a scrap.”

Derstine reminded her it was more than a scrap. “You were kicking and stomping on her.”

“Yes, I did assault her,” McClintic replied.

I just don't know how much more the jury can hear before writing her off entirely.

She is unusually aggressive and violent for a female and all the usual gender based conceptions do not apply here.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 23, 2012, 01:46:52 PM

M.R. has pigeon holed himself though. He has placed himself at the murder scene claiming it was he who walked away and not T.M. He claims he refused to sexually assault or rape Tori. This is where some solid evidence, dna etc will have to show up real soon. No one need say anymore if it is available. M.R. will have hung himself if they have it.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 23, 2012, 02:26:33 PM
These people are strangling themselves with lies. What happened to the evidence of McClintoc abducting Tori for Mr. Rafferty. What about his evidence on Facebook when he stated something about what was happening later in the day, the day Tori was abducted. Because he knew he instructed MC to get a young girl for him. And then when she did abduct Tori, the bastard said she wasn't young enough. How much horror stories does the jury have to hear. And the lawyer stating putting all the blame on MC, of course he is, he is trying to get this bastard off. Because lawyers will do anything they can to save the ass of the person they are representing. This lawyer should think about his own children, if he has any. This is sickening to put this forth to the jury, because he knows in his heart it is absolute lies. It is so disgusting, it must be awfully hard for Rodney and Tori's mom to hear this crap and have to sit there not say anything. It just gets worse with the lies that are going about to try to get Raffery off.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 23, 2012, 03:50:41 PM
This makes me so angy, what a trick to try to make Rafferty look innocent

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/195386--defence-paints-michael-rafferty-as-innocent-dupe-in-tori-stafford-death
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 23, 2012, 03:52:04 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/195276--i-never-had-murder-on-my-mind-mcclintic-says-at-tori-stafford-murder-trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 23, 2012, 04:53:34 PM

One of our members has suggested that we make a 'Part 2' of this thread, as we did with the McCann thread. Part 2 would begin with the trial. I was wondering what those of you that post on this thread think?  Feedback?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 23, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
This is the live audio interview the OPP had with Rafferty

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/195579--raw-audio-opp-interview-with-michael-rafferty
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 23, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
Well after listening to Rafferty's audio interview with LE I guess this crime is about two liars and will be determined by the physical evidence. So thankful Tori was found as the physical evidence is probably the only truth we will see here.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 23, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
McClintic keeps whittling away at all the things implicating M.R. that we had once assumed were solid and true. She is now even taking the blame for suggesting getting the hammer. In other words, she had the intent to kill, not MR. She is doing more damage to the Crowns case than good now imo. 

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However, court has heard she originally told a different story to police — that it was actually Rafferty who wielded the hammer and murdered Tori. Her recantation came as early as Jan. 13 of this year, court has heard, just days before the start of Rafferty's pre-trial.

The new version of events came out while talking to a counsellor, but when police came to the prison to take her new statement the next day, court heard, another detail in her story was different. McClintic said she was the one who decided to buy the hammer and garbage bags — it wasn't Rafferty who told her what to buy. McClintic said she was lying to police.

As far as splitting this thread, I am fine either way. The trial will soon be over anyway and the facts will all be out shortly. But split the thread at the trial if you all wish, fine by me.

I am about as disgusted as I can get by all of what is going on in this trial. It is getting so bad you can no longer even pin down the source of the smell now. Plug your noses in the meantime, it may be about to get worse yet. Rape is identifiable, dna may be available. Something is needed to cut through all of the lies. It's about time to show what they have now. We keep saying this, we keep waiting for it, ....
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 24, 2012, 06:37:38 AM
Do they not have store video of McClintic buying the hammer?  Or am I getting confused?

If they don't find one as guilty as the other, I will be shocked.  But, I don't know if there is DNA evidence, can't remember reading it.


You're right D1...It sure stinks.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 24, 2012, 07:01:45 AM

Yes, they have video of McClintic purchasing the hammer at Home Depot.
Yes, they have Rafferty's DNA - found mixed with Tori's blood on the door handle of his car and on his gym bag.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on March 24, 2012, 07:08:40 AM
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...McClintic, 21, the Crown’s star witness, spent her sixth day on the witness stand Friday. She has admitted to luring and killing Tori but has maintained that Rafferty orchestrated the events of that day, that he was the one who wanted to abduct and rape a child.

“We have video of you abducting Tori Stafford, video of you buying murder tools,” Derstine pointed out. “And largely about your word on who was the engine in this case, who made it happen.”

Derstine, who has been grilling McClintic since Wednesday afternoon, reminded her that she had several opportunities to flee with Tori or seek help.

She didn’t.

Derstine said McClintic did not try to escape because the abduction and murder were her plan.

McClintic, the court had heard, was alone with Tori three times before they drove to Mount Forest, their final destination. She was in the car with Tori at a Tim Hortons in Guelph, in a residential neighbourhood in that town where Rafferty picked up some Percocet pills, and finally when he went into a gas station to withdraw money.

At the Tim Hortons, Rafferty went inside while McClintic waited in the car with Tori. McClintic asked him to get her a green tea...
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1151011--tori-stafford-murder-trial-mcclintic-was-killing-s-mastermind-lawyer-charges

Correct me if I am wrong, but while the defense attorney is setting her up that she had ample time to make the right decision, isn't he also bringing in to mind that his client also had the same opportunities? To seek help? To gain assistance for Tori?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 24, 2012, 07:28:14 AM
Good point Concerned....exactly.  Rafferty had plenty of time to turn the car around and return Tori safely back to the school, before harm was done to her.   He was the one in control, the one behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on March 24, 2012, 07:55:18 AM
I think it would be nice to have a part two of this thread.

And unfortunately this poor defense lawyer has straws to grip on at best for this case. I think that is why the defense sounds like it is going around in this small, deceitful semi-circle.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: PEIslander on March 24, 2012, 08:49:33 AM
McClintic keeps whittling away at all the things implicating M.R. that we had once assumed were solid and true. She is now even taking the blame for suggesting getting the hammer. In other words, she had the intent to kill, not MR. She is doing more damage to the Crowns case than good now imo.



There was mention last day of TLMs violent childhood behaviour, which included microwaving a small dog until it screamed.  Apparently, forensic psychologists have pegged this behaviour (animal torture) by young people as classic predictor of adult psychopathic behaviour.  From studying forensic psychology myself, i would think that doing damage to the Crown's case and causing chaos and confusion to the whole process is exactly what TLM is aiming to do.  It thrills a psychopath to deceive (and on a grand scale such as this). 

"Basically, psychopaths exhibit callousness, impulsivity, shallow emotions, superficial charm, and no remorse for what they do. They're narcissistic and manipulative, and tend to seek stimulating activities like crime. They fail to learn from punishment, so they're well-represented among repeat offenders. When intelligent, they're generally persuasive and charismatic, and they can get people do to almost anything. They have no regard for truth, although they can evince complete sincerity, and they're looking out only for themselves. They generally form no long-range plans and fail to take responsibility for their deeds."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/women1/5.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: PEIslander on March 24, 2012, 09:13:41 AM
McClintic keeps whittling away at all the things implicating M.R. that we had once assumed were solid and true. She is now even taking the blame for suggesting getting the hammer. In other words, she had the intent to kill, not MR. She is doing more damage to the Crowns case than good now imo.



There was mention last day of TLMs violent childhood behaviour, which included microwaving a small dog until it screamed.  Apparently, forensic psychologists have pegged this behaviour (animal torture) by young people as classic predictor of adult psychopathic behaviour.  From studying forensic psychology myself, i would think that doing damage to the Crown's case and causing chaos and confusion to the whole process is exactly what TLM is aiming to do.  It thrills a psychopath to deceive (and on a grand scale such as this). 

"Basically, psychopaths exhibit callousness, impulsivity, shallow emotions, superficial charm, and no remorse for what they do. They're narcissistic and manipulative, and tend to seek stimulating activities like crime. They fail to learn from punishment, so they're well-represented among repeat offenders. When intelligent, they're generally persuasive and charismatic, and they can get people do to almost anything. They have no regard for truth, although they can evince complete sincerity, and they're looking out only for themselves. They generally form no long-range plans and fail to take responsibility for their deeds."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/women1/5.html


As another note, in watching the TLM interview, there was a lot of tears and crying and blowing her nose, but it all seemed so empty like an act.  crocodile tears.  TLM said she hadn't cried for ten years through her childhood. 

this whole matter is completely sad.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 24, 2012, 09:36:32 AM
I cannot believe all of this hogwash that is going on about Rafferty. He drove the car. He circled around and around like a hawk and waited for McClintic to abduct a child. Then he sped off, they went buying material to kill Tori. They sped away to an isolated place to commit mayhem. They both did it, they both killed Tori. Nobody at any time decided, this is wrong, At no time at all did they feel sorry for Tori. In your own mind just try and imagine it. Two adults preying on a defenseless little girl, while she was crying out for help from her daddy. Just picture it, horrendous. And then after he finished raping her, then they crushed her skull and buried her in a shallow grave and left like nothing happened. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

If Rafferty had any part of a human heart, he would change his plea to guilty and stop this charade. Stop torturing the parents of Tori. Stop wasting the tax payers money. Plead guilty and take what is coming to him.  Does he really expect that he is going to walk away from this.  I suppose he thinks he'll be teaching Sunday School soon. 

This was a premeditated abduction rape and murder, that is exactly what it was. There were two people involved, Rafferty and McClintic. And as far as I am concerned here, there is no gray area. They committed this crime together and they are both guilty, AMEN.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: PEIslander on March 24, 2012, 09:53:30 AM
I cannot believe all of this hogwash that is going on about Rafferty. He drove the car. He circled around and around like a hawk and waited for McClintic to abduct a child. Then he sped off, they went buying material to kill Tori. They sped away to an isolated place to commit mayhem. They both did it, they both killed Tori. Nobody at any time decided, this is wrong, At no time at all did they feel sorry for Tori. In your own mind just try and imagine it. Two adults preying on a defenseless little girl, while she was crying out for help from her daddy. Just picture it, horrendous. And then after he finished raping her, then they crushed her skull and buried her in a shallow grave and left like nothing happened. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

If Rafferty had any part of a human heart, he would change his plea to guilty and stop this charade. Stop torturing the parents of Tori. Stop wasting the tax payers money. Plead guilty and take what is coming to him.  Does he really expect that he is going to walk away from this.  I suppose he thinks he'll be teaching Sunday School soon. 

This was a premeditated abduction rape and murder, that is exactly what it was. There were two people involved, Rafferty and McClintic. And as far as I am concerned here, there is no gray area. They committed this crime together and they are both guilty, AMEN.


spot on.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on March 24, 2012, 11:35:43 AM

He's got nothing to lose by pleading NOT GUILTY.  Right?  Why not try it.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 24, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
Well Rafferty's lawyer has sealed his fate-----he put it forward that Rafferty was horrified when he returned.....but he helped clean up the scene, and then never went to the police to report what happened? ------aiding and abetting this is and FDM since he did absolutely nothing to help with this case and actually helped cover it up.  He's going down once the physical evidence puts him there.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 24, 2012, 12:51:03 PM
 here is a good definition  of aiding and abetting --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiding_and_abetting
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Dulsebunny on March 25, 2012, 08:23:55 AM
I have to wonder if that "female" is setting herself up for a break, down the road for parole. There is no doubt in my mind that she is a psychopath and will be manipulating things for her own gain.
Is it true MR was in the police sights quite early and they knew he had a car similar to what they were looking for but left it too late and the car was gone. I know it wouldn't have saved Torie but still....I'
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 25, 2012, 10:35:49 AM
I think we all have a pretty good idea of what the outcome of this trial should be. I believe we are all in agreement. Maybe a few differences when some are speaking from a logical and some from a legal viewpoint at differing times without clearly making the distinction.

I think Mom explained it well in very few words, Legal logic isn't quite the same as common sense logic.
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He's got nothing to lose by pleading NOT GUILTY.  Right?  Why not try it.

and joo joo, you got it right imo but they might even get there without the conclusive dna evidence, etc.. that we have been waiting for.

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Well Rafferty's lawyer has sealed his fate-----he put it forward that Rafferty was horrified when he returned.....but he helped clean up the scene, and then never went to the police to report what happened? ------aiding and abetting this is and FDM since he did absolutely nothing to help with this case and actually helped cover it up.  He's going down once the physical evidence puts him there.

One thing we know, McClintic deserved her fdm conviction and maybe even the dangerous offender designation someday too.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 25, 2012, 02:05:28 PM
I think we all have a pretty good idea of what the outcome of this trial should be. I believe we are all in agreement. Maybe a few differences when some are speaking from a logical and some from a legal viewpoint at differing times without clearly making the distinction.

I think Mom explained it well in very few words, Legal logic isn't quite the same as common sense logic.
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He's got nothing to lose by pleading NOT GUILTY.  Right?  Why not try it.

and joo joo, you got it right imo but they might even get there without the conclusive dna evidence, etc.. that we have been waiting for.

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Well Rafferty's lawyer has sealed his fate-----he put it forward that Rafferty was horrified when he returned.....but he helped clean up the scene, and then never went to the police to report what happened? ------aiding and abetting this is and FDM since he did absolutely nothing to help with this case and actually helped cover it up.  He's going down once the physical evidence puts him there.

One thing we know, McClintic deserved her fdm conviction and maybe even the dangerous offender designation someday too.

...What I meant was when the physical evidence puts him at the crime scene......

and yes D1  ...FDM & dangerous offender-- for both would be more than appropriate IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 25, 2012, 02:35:04 PM
This may be the clincher from the link...... I don't think all the criteria have to be met just some of them as there are "ors" inplace--and if reassessed later then the designation can be removed if warranted.

"iii.any behaviour by the offender, associated with the offence for which he or she has been convicted, that is of such a brutal nature as to compel the conclusion that the offender's behaviour in the future is unlikely to be inhibited by normal standards of behavioural restraint"  JIMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 25, 2012, 02:35:21 PM

He's got nothing to lose by pleading NOT GUILTY.  Right?  Why not try it.

MOM, yes, they all plead not guilty. The worst criminals in history have pleaded NG, because it is everybody's right. Yes, why not try it, you're right. But if he had a conscience and thought about anybody but his evil self, he would have done the right thing and owned up to what he did.

Well as I see it, the whole deal here was he instructed MC to pick up a child for his sexual gratification. So if he had not suggested all of this, then this would never have happened. Because he was the evil person who made up his mind he wanted a baby to sexually molest. It just makes me angry every time I see this bastard trying to get off.  Him sitting in the courtroom in his striped suit. He should be in hand cuffs and shackles and an orange suit. Let everyone see him for the loser he is, a drain on society, an asshole on the pimple of progress.

I hope when the jury sees him every day that they picture him in the back seat of the car torturing his little victim. That is what I hope the jury sees and not this asshole sitting there in a suit.  I get so angry, I just can't believe the crap that is going on with this creep.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 25, 2012, 04:23:28 PM
That could be the case-----but Bernardo is classified as a dangerous offender and he committed crimes against young girls--older than Tori ---and he scouted areas as well looking for victims. (if this is proven with Rafferty)    Just have to wait and see.....
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on March 25, 2012, 04:39:11 PM
There is an offender in my neck of the woods that almost killed a 4 yr old little girl;sexually assaulted her and left her for dead.  He has turned 18 while in jail, the whole time being assessed, attending court.  They are trying to get Dangerous Offender status on him, I just read.  I was kindof surprised, as far as I know it's his first offence, but I am also relieved that the system does push for harsher sentences in some instances.
In the article it had the criteria for the status, and I do remember reading "no remorse". 
Apparantly Rafferty is making all kinds of gestures, not very sympathetic.   Just for your info..
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 25, 2012, 05:27:40 PM
Dangerous offender status was to appease the public a bit after dropping the death sentence then slowly working down a life sentence for some to maybe a decade or so served at best. But it seems to have been abused a bit at first, then two do's were later overturned, now there seems to be a reluctance to even attempt to make the case. This is definitely something we should all learn as much as we can about. There may be a few letter writing campaigns in the future.

And Cape admire the righteous indignation, share the sentiment,
Capeheart
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MOM, yes, they all plead not guilty. The worst criminals in history have pleaded NG, because it is everybody's right. Yes, why not try it, you're right. But if he had a conscience and thought about anybody but his evil self, he would have done the right thing and owned up to what he did

If being the operative word. If he had a conscience he wouldn't have been there in the first place, no rape, no murder, no gf named T, no attempt to cover up. But these are the lowest of the lowlifes you will find anywhere. They are at the far end of the spectrum as far as evil compared to most anyone anyone of us will ever meet. They could care less, its worth a shot to him. He had some legal ammo to play with, thanks to lowlife gf partner in crime.

What MR's lawyer said is an attempt at an alternate logic based alibi but it isn't actually evidence. Sounds good in theory but holds no legal weight. Admitting to and placing Rafferty at the scene of the crime was way better, at least it leads into all the real evidence. Hey maybe Rafferty's lawyer is a better guy than we thought? I don't know how intrinsically good people can defend this sort of scum to the best of their ability.
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This interplay between TM changing her story and MR defence strategy has yet to be totally explained. Who is working in support of who and why? Perhaps it will be understood in the end.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 26, 2012, 01:20:14 PM
This is the live audio interview the OPP had with Rafferty

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/195579--raw-audio-opp-interview-with-michael-rafferty
   

Thanks for this EWO :)

Just wanted to bring this interview to the front....I can't believe that R tries to play this so cool.....laughing and trying to subtly put TLM and her Mom down---what an interview....good for the crown....
....and he isn't a personal caseworker???   best line yet----what kind of socialpath is he really??

Thank goodness he's not as smart as Bundy was IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 27, 2012, 07:25:19 AM
That is a good line. But seriously what kind of sociopath is he. He isn't too smart.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 27, 2012, 07:41:05 AM
Debbie thanks for making a part two thread on the trial such a wonderful Idea.  I will keep posting updates as they come , nothing on the news so far this week,  I was sick so not sure if the jury is taking a break or why it is not being televised as is has been but will keep my eyes wide open lol. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 27, 2012, 12:20:13 PM
todays update from the news

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/196270--court-hears-rafferty-was-stressed-out-after-tori-stafford-s-disappearance
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 27, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
Eyes, well isn't that too damned bad that Rafferty was stressed out after Tori went missing. I can't believe everything that went on here, the stops that were made before they got to the destination of the crime they committed. So much time to change their minds. So much premeditation here for the crime they committed. And now this creep wants people to feel sorry for him because he was stressed out, yeah, he was stressed out, because the cops were getting close to knowing and investigating who was responsible for Tori's disappearance. That is what these guys do, the lawyer tells them, "get the sympathy of the jury", do whatever you can to get the jury to feel sorry for you. So the witnesses are telling this story, possibly it is true, but anyone that commits a serious crime is going to be stressed, because they know they eventually are going down.

I listened to some of the interview recording and Raffery was pretty cool then, wasn't he. This guy is quite an actor. He should get the Academy Award for his performance.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 27, 2012, 04:09:25 PM
He is one sick bird isnt he.  I too think they had ample time to change their mind and chose not to.  so def premeditated in my opinion.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: rainstorm on March 27, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
he was stressed. jeez really. well Tori's parents were totally stressed and more. This guy seriously thinks hes going to get what sympathy. I would love to be on that jury. just to spit at him or something.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 27, 2012, 06:52:40 PM
rainstorm, yeah, these creeps just are so full of violence when they are out there committing the crimes, but boy they sing a different tune when their sitting in the courtroom in front of a jury. All of a sudden, he thinks he's so good he's going to get a babysitting job. I get sick to my stomach every time someone tries to make this creep look good. He's a snake, that's what he is. He is just trying to slither his way out of this as much as he can.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 27, 2012, 07:58:09 PM
I found it very interesting that he was telling others Tori's disappearance was part of a drug debt------sounds like he was trying to send a decoy away from himself, and one other thing (if he is found at the crime scene by evidence) he was wearing a white shirt while driving---did he buy the white jacket for McClintic so when people saw the car go by they may think it was her driving the car???  In the Home Depot video she gets out of the car but then grabs her white jacket----did he remind her to take it so she is the one "with the white jacket" while he is the one "with the white shirt" hoping she is the identified one driving the car........if this is the case he is a major manipulator---see where that gets him in prison if he's a child molester...disgusting.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 28, 2012, 06:14:14 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/196455--tori-stafford-murder-trial-set-to-hear-evidence-about-crime-scene-area
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 28, 2012, 08:59:43 AM
That is a good line. But seriously what kind of sociopath is he. He isn't too smart.

Thanks Rainstorm----sociopath it is----I guess I was thinking socialpath 'cause that is where the demented issue is "social" going by evidence already put forward seems M and R both fit this.....IMO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath   http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 28, 2012, 03:50:18 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/Michael_Rafferty_murder_trial
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 28, 2012, 07:20:48 PM
A little more info sneaks its way out and premeditation once again becomes even more of a possibility.
from- http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/196270--court-hears-rafferty-was-stressed-out-after-tori-stafford-s-disappearance (http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/196270--court-hears-rafferty-was-stressed-out-after-tori-stafford-s-disappearance)
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Rafferty, 31, told her that a friend of a friend's daughter had gone missing, and he was going to help search for her, Armstrong said. Court has heard that another girl named Amanda, who Rafferty was seeing around the time of Tori's death, knew the girl's family.

Did Rafferty and McClintock know more than they have been admitting?

Some of the coincidence involved here has been voiced more than a few times already. Like Tara having the same sort of white puffy jacket as TM. Tori having the same kind of dog as TM, all parties having shared drug connections, Tara and TM/ MR all being in the same vicinity when the abduction occured etc etc.  How much of this was known an used by TM /MR?

And as joojoo has pointed out , activities since have also raised a few eyebrows.
from joo joo-
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I found it very interesting that he was telling others Tori's disappearance was part of a drug debt------sounds like he was trying to send a decoy away from himself, and one other thing (if he is found at the crime scene by evidence) he was wearing a white shirt while driving---did he buy the white jacket for McClintic so when people saw the car go by they may think it was her driving the car???  In the Home Depot video she gets out of the car but then grabs her white jacket----did he remind her to take it so she is the one "with the white jacket" while he is the one "with the white shirt" hoping she is the identified one driving the car........if this is the case he is a major manipulator---see where that gets him in prison if he's a child molester...disgusting.

Now they are going to get into the crime scene evidence. Not so nice a thing to hear but a necessary step. 

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 28, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
Just doing a bit of internet searching---I wonder if this is the carwash they hosed the car down at as there were probably signs for Cambridge around here where the Hwy #6 extension & Hwy #7 meet ---hope LE  looked there if they were travelling south back to the 401 or thinking of going through Cambridge towards Woodstock. There is a sign on the pole that says " Loonie $Wash$"  maybe a bit set apart to hose down a car unsuspiciously.

 http://www.yelp.ca/map/downtown-car-wash-guelph
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on March 29, 2012, 02:35:05 PM
I sure hope they have DNA evidence to prove tori was not raped. I for one would feel a lot better if she hadn't had to endure that before a brutal murder, no child deserves that. This case does remind me a lot of Bernardo and homolka lethal when combined. He raped plenty before marrying her I think she was the murderer in that case and now she lives free in the Caribbean free to work in child psychology as she studied and graduated from it in her time in the penitentiary. Amazing that Canada would allow that!

We have established that TLMC is a low life pos, and in all probability a sociopath as well. I hope rafferty is charged either way but I would feel a lot better about all this is TLMC was lying about the whole rape scene as it's to much to comprehend.

IMO she is as evil as they come, I would be suprised if he could possibly be as evil as she is.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 29, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
from malloryknox:
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IMO she is as evil as they come, I would be suprised if he could possibly be as evil as she is.
 

IMO neither is any less evil than the other. It doesn't get much worse than what they did to Tori. It is my hope that neither of these two animals ever get to live amongst the rest of us again. They don't deserve to see the light of day.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on March 29, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
You're right I guess I want to believe nothing as evil as her could exist. But Myra Hindly did Carla homolka does ect. It's too bad unless they have 3 convictions of violent crime they won't be do'd but... She has two prior stabbings she may get it!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 29, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
You're right I guess I want to believe nothing as evil as her could exist.

I think society in general has a problem wanting to believe that a woman could be capable of a crime such as this. A horrific crime which is perpetrated against an innocent child. We are supposed to be the nurturers.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 29, 2012, 04:46:50 PM
It was an interesting albeit a seemingly granted point.

malloryknox
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I sure hope they have DNA evidence to prove tori was not raped.

Cuts to the chase as to Rafferty's alibi, that it was all McClintic's doing with her being the killer replete with her own motive involving some drug debt owed by Tori's mother.

So why did you then rape her MR? Just an after thought following the abduction?
right...

I hope they have total evidence, I don't want or need to hear all of the details, but they better have it.

I'm a little off ease after the verdict for Bev Rowbotham
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=1474.msg88418;topicseen#msg88418 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=1474.msg88418;topicseen#msg88418)

 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on March 29, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
The sole purpose in this abduction was for any child, it was not necessarily Tori, it just happened to be Tori. So this had nothing to do with a drug debt. This had to do with Mr. Rafferty wanting to rape a child. They had preplanned this. They abducted Tori and they went purposely to buy a hammer and other items. This is totally off the wall about all this crap, don't you members go soft now and not think this guy committed this horrific crime. I mean this bastard raped and was an accomplice to killing a wonderful young girl. I only see a rapist and a murderer when I look at him. There is no suit you can put on him that would make him look good to me. Like they always say, you can't put lipstick on a pig, he still doesn't look good. So my comments are totally not even thinking that Rafferty didn't murder and kill Tori, along with McClintic. As I stated before, guilty, guilty, guilty and when that is all over, guilty again.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 29, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
I don't think anyone is going soft as far as personally believing that MR is as guilty as you can get. Verdicts like that for Bev Robotham's murder today just make you realize how difficult a legal conviction can be to achieve. I hope they have totally solid and conclusive evidence against this guy and throw the book at him for even attempting this defence.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on March 30, 2012, 05:41:36 AM
The media have seemed to wain off on publishing updates on the trial it seems.  Sure hope they havent lost interest in this trial.  May justice be served.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on March 30, 2012, 08:06:03 AM
@eyeswideopen CBC almost has updates daily about this trial. Yesterday court didn't sit but today it is. So there will be updates throughout the day as to what is going on.

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Tori Stafford trial hears detective who found body on hunch
WARNING: This story contains disturbing details

A high-profile witness — Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth, who found the remains of eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford, and later interrogated Terri-Lynne McClintic — is scheduled to take the stand today in the murder trial of Michael Rafferty in London, Ont.


Working on a hunch on his day off, Smyth discovered the eight-year-old's body on July 21, 2009, in a field in Mount Forest, Ont., about 100 kilometres from her hometown of Woodstock. She had been missing since April 8.

The jury has already seen a recording of Smyth's interview with Rafferty's former girlfriend, McClintic, 21, who pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the case in April 2010 and was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.

McClintic testified earlier in the trial of Rafferty, who is accused of abducting, sexually assaulting and killing the girl.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm in connection with the girl's death.

Smyth is widely known for his expertise at interrogation. He got a confession from disgraced Canadian military colonel Russell Williams, who admitted to raping and strangling Jessica Lloyd and raping and suffocating Cpl. Marie France-Comeau, as well as committing other sexual assaults.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on March 30, 2012, 12:55:02 PM
Tori Stafford investigator describes finding girl's body
WARNING: This story contains disturbing details

Jon Hembrey and Geoff Nixon, CBC News Posted: Mar 30, 2012 8:05 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 30, 2012 2:38 PM ET
 
 
A veteran police officer described in court today how he came to locate the remains of eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford, three months after the Ontario schoolgirl went missing.

Det. Staff Sgt. Jim Smyth of the Ontario Provincial Police was called to testify Friday morning at the murder trial of Michael Thomas Rafferty in London.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm in connection with Tori's death.

Smyth testified he was called to investigate the girl's disappearance on April 17, 2009, nine days after the Grade 3 student was last seen alive as she walked away from her school in Woodstock.

On May 19, 2009, Smyth interviewed Rafferty's former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, who later pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the case and was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.

Smyth testified he prepared for his interview with McClintic by talking to other officers and digging into her past.

"The purpose of the interview overall was to assess McClintic's credibility in terms of whether we needed to investigate her further or not," Smyth said.

At that point, Smyth said police also wanted to ask McClintic about her relationship with Rafferty, whom police had spoken to four days before.

Smyth said he spoke with McClintic over the course of several hours, during which time she implicated herself and Rafferty in Tori's death. McClintic also offered to assist in the investigation.

McClintic offered to help police find Tori

McClintic offered to help police locate the body, which Smyth said took priority over confronting her about details in her story because officers were unsure how long she would be co-operative. They left Woodstock around 8 p.m. and headed toward a Home Depot in Guelph, but McClintic was confused as to the direction they had gone.

Jim Smyth of the Ontario Provincial Police arrives at the courthouse in London, Ont., Friday to testify at the Victoria (Tori) Stafford murder trial.The following day, Smyth said that officers again travelled with McClintic, including taking her up in a helicopter.

Repeated trips were taken with McClintic, but Tori's body was never found when she was present.

"There were certainly times that we thought we were close," Smyth told the court.

Smyth told the court that on July 17, 2009, police obtained phone records that indicated Rafferty's phone had been used on April 8, 2009, in an area near Mount Forest. This suggested to investigators that they might have to search farther north of Guelph than they had previously thought.

Two days after receiving that information, Smyth travelled to Mount Forest, on July 19, 2009, hoping to provide suggestions to search teams.

Smyth sought to assess, not to search

"My goal was to do a bit of an assessment. I certainly wasn’t searching that day," Smyth said.

When driving in the area, Smyth noticed a house that was on an odd angle, something McClintic had consistently described as a landmark. The house was similar in appearance to a picture that police had drawn up with McClintic's input.

The officer turned his vehicle around and saw a laneway across the road that went into a field. Smyth drove up the laneway, spotting a rock pile as he went forward. He kept driving, because McClintic had told police that they had passed a culvert.

When Smyth stopped and got out of his car, he saw another, larger rock pile, about 15 metres across. He also saw evergreen trees that McClintic had described.

When he approached the rock pile, Smyth said he detected "a slight odour which I believed to be decomposition."

He saw garbage bags and removed a rock from the pile before touching a bag.

"I believed that we had finally found Victoria Stafford," he said.

Smyth then carefully backtracked from the scene and contacted his superiors.

Police spent weeks searching for Victoria (Tori) Stafford after she went missing on April 8, 2009. The OPP's Jim Smyth found her remains some three months later, on July 19, 2009. (Darren Calabrese/Canadian Press)By early afternoon, police officers gathered at the scene, including forensic identification officers and a pathologist. Tori's body was taken to Toronto the next day for a post-mortem examination.

The preliminary results indicated the Woodstock girl died of blunt force trauma to the head.

Smyth told jurors his last involvement with the case was on July 31, the day he attended Tori's funeral.

The defence did not have any questions for Smyth, who was excused early Friday afternoon.

The next witness the Crown called was Const. Gary Scoyne, a forensic identification officer who was previously called to testify in London.

The trial continues.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/30/stafford-rafferty-trial.html?cmp=rss (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/30/stafford-rafferty-trial.html?cmp=rss)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Dulsebunny on March 31, 2012, 09:17:46 AM
There is no doubt that MR is involved up to his neck BUT I haven't forgotten the Sandra Cantu case. After that, we found out that women are capable of  sexually assaulting little girls, too. That was a horrific shock. Would DNA last under the circumstances under which Tori was found?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on March 31, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
"Possibly" the forensics haven't spelled all that out yet and it will be be tough to hear. Should be soon though.

Meanwhile Smith the cop who found Tori gave a pretty good accounting and corroberated a few things that were talked about earlier. Cell phone transmissions, linked MR to being near the scene at the exact time.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on March 31, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
Looked at the pics of that crime scene--- can't believe how isolated it is---if McClintic never gave up evidence Tori probably never would have been found.  M and/or  R obviously knew this spot, how??? I am wondering if they knew someone who lives/lived around there as it doesn't look like a place a stranger driving by would happen upon.  Wondering if other crimes were commited there---maybe should take a good search of that area and find out if there are others missing?  With this crime scene area it is looking like premeditation. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
Rodney Stafford is pressing the Government to reinstate the Death Penalty for those found guilty of murder of children. If you are in agreement to reinstate the DP and wish to sign the petition it can be found at this link.

http://www.charlesadler.com/
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 02, 2012, 12:55:41 PM
Jurors in Rafferty trial visit scene where Tori Stafford's remains were found

By Allison Jones, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – April 2, 2012


LONDON, Ont. - Jurors in the case of a man accused of first-degree murder in the death of Victoria Stafford have finished getting a first-hand look at the farmer's field where the eight-year-old was killed.

They were at the scene today southeast of Mount Forest, Ont., where the judge said he hoped the jurors would get a better understanding of the evidence.

Members of the media are being allowed to view the area now that the jury has left.

On Friday, the panel saw video and photos of where Tori's remains were found in July 2009, wrapped in a garbage bag and buried under a pile of rocks in a farmer's field.

Tori disappeared outside her Woodstock, Ont., elementary school on April 8, 2009, and she was allegedly killed the same day in the rural area more than 100 kilometres north of her hometown.

Michael Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping.

Terri-Lynne McClintic, 21, is already serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to first-degree murder in Tori's death.

There are eight markers at the scene to guide the jury's visit, from the entry to the laneway Rafferty and McClintic allegedly travelled down with Tori to the spot underneath an evergreen tree where her remains were found.

When McClintic confessed and later pleaded guilty, she said Rafferty had killed Tori using a hammer, but at the trial she testified it was she who dealt the fatal blows.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/jurors-rafferty-trial-visit-scene-where-tori-staffords-130911838.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/jurors-rafferty-trial-visit-scene-where-tori-staffords-130911838.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 02, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/197495--jurors-in-rafferty-trial-visit-scene-where-tori-stafford-s-remains-were-found
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 03, 2012, 01:32:12 AM
McClintic's 'mother', Carol, was harassed and hounded out of Woodstock. She left in Feb. of this year with her whereabouts unknown. She did attend court when McClintic was sentenced back in 2010. None of Rafferty's family or friends have appeared in court since the trial began.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 03, 2012, 08:39:54 AM
Tori Stafford trial will continue to focus on the scene where girl’s remains found

Postmedia News  Apr 3, 2012 – 9:33 AM ET | Last Updated: Apr 3, 2012 9:36 AM ET

 
LONDON, Ont. — The Crown in the murder trial of an Ontario man charged in the abduction, sexual assault and murder of Victoria (Tori) Stafford will continue to focus Tuesday on the location where the eight-year-old girl’s remains were found.

On Monday, the 12-member jury visited the secluded farmer’s field near Mount Forest, Ont., about 2 1/2 hours away from the London courthouse where they have been hearing evidence for the past month in the trial of Michael Rafferty.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm in the young girl’s death.

The Grade 3 student was last seen on April 8, 2009, outside her school in Woodstock, Ont., a small city located 145 kilometres west of Toronto.

Weathered crime scene tape still remains where Tori Stafford's body was found in 2009 on Concesion Rd. 6 of Arthur Township.
Her battered body was found more than three months later in July 2009, in garbage bags buried underneath a rock pile in the rural clearing.

A coroner concluded she had died from multiple blunt-force trauma to the head, likely inflicted on the day she went missing.

During the scene visit, jurors were instructed not to communicate and were given guidebooks so they could tour the area, looking at eight points of interest labeled by foot-long yellow markers.

Each juror walked up a hilly 300-metre laneway, passing by a small stream to the clearing where an investigator had found the decomposing remains.

The jury spent about 30 minutes at the scene before they returned to London.

Rafferty was also at the scene but remained in an armed police vehicle. His lawyers, the Crown, and Ontario Superior Justice Thomas Heeney were also at the site.

Heeney told jurors that the purpose of the rare visit was so they could get a better understanding of the scene by seeing it personally.

Last week, Ontario Provincial Police Det.-Staff Sgt. Jim Smyth testified he found the remains based on a hunch.

Rafferty’s ex-girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, had provided the police with a number of sketches of the site and went on a number of ride-alongs after she was charged in May 2009 to help the police locate Tori’s body.

Although she was able to provide many details of the site, she could not remember exactly where she alleges Rafferty repeatedly raped the little girl and she had fatally struck her multiple times with a hammer.

In 2010, McClintic pleaded guilty in Tori’s death and is currently serving a life sentence.

McClintic, 21, testified she had lured the girl outside the school that day with the promise of meeting a puppy. She said she then shoved her into Rafferty’s car and the couple drove to the remote location in Mount Forest.

She testified she had maintained to police until January 2012 that Rafferty had killed the girl because she couldn’t admit it to herself that she had been the perpetrator of the heinous act.

McClintic told the court they were both high on drugs when the abduction and murder took place. The two had met a few months earlier at a pizza restaurant in Woodstock, Ont., the same hometown they shared with Tori.

Postmedia News

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/tori-stafford-trial-will-continue-to-focus-on-the-scene-where-girls-remains-found/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/tori-stafford-trial-will-continue-to-focus-on-the-scene-where-girls-remains-found/)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 03, 2012, 10:44:25 AM
Court hears no evidence of sexual interference by the autopsy dr. Body was badly decomposed he has to work with and anthropologist to reconstruct the body.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 03, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
rafferty is wearing a purple shirt today.

Tori's favourite colour and the colour which her parents and family wear to court every day.

He really is a sicko...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 03, 2012, 01:24:12 PM
Tori Stafford autopsy showed no signs of sex assault
WARNING: This story contains disturbing details

CBC News Posted: Apr 3, 2012 9:44 AM ET Last Updated: Apr 3, 2012 3:09 PM ET

 
The body of Ontario schoolgirl Victoria (Tori) Stafford was too decomposed to collect evidence of sexual interference, the murder trial of Michael Rafferty was told today.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and abduction in the death of the girl, who disappeared near her elementary school in Woodstock on April 8, 2009. Her body was discovered more than three months later.

No evidence of sexual interference was found or was expected to be found, according to an agreed statement of facts read out by the Crown on Tuesday during the testimony of Dr. Michael Pollanen in London.

Pollanen, chief forensic pathologist for Ontario, conducted an autopsy on July 20, 2009, one day after Tori's body was discovered in a rural area 100 kilometres north of her home.

He says Tori was found with only a T-shirt and there was no evidence of clothing on the lower portion of her body. A pair of butterfly earrings and bottle caps were also found with her body.

Tori's teacher testified at the beginning of the trial that the schoolgirl ran back into her classroom to retrieve butterfly earrings before heading home on April 8, 2009.

Pathology evidence graphic

As the court was shown some of the autopsy photographs, a number of people in the public gallery left the courtroom. Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, wept.

Justice Thomas Heeney had earlier warned the jury about the pathology evidence, saying it would be graphic and that jurors could ask for a break in proceedings if they need it.

I can tell you this will be the worst that you will see during the course of this case," he said. "You need to steel yourself, you need to be cold, analytical and critical."

The Crown previously said that Tori died after being hit repeatedly in the head with a hammer. Her body also showed signs that she had been kicked or stomped on.

Terri-Lynne McClintic, who pleaded guilty to first-degree murder two years ago and is serving life in prison, testified last month that it was she who inflicted the fatal blows, contradicting her previous statements to police that Rafferty did so.

Body site rarely used in winter

Earlier Tuesday, the jury heard from Ervin Bauman, owner of the land where Tori's body was discovered at the end of a laneway.

Bauman told the court the area is almost two kilometres from his home and is rarely used during the winter, although his children occasionally use the laneway when the weather is nice.

Bauman said the area was wet, slushy and covered with snow around the time Tori disappeared.

The Crown contends Tori was lured to Rafferty's car by McClintic shortly after she left Oliver Stephens Public School in Woodstock. The pair then drove the girl first to Guelph, Ont., and later to a rural area north of the city where she was allegedly raped and killed.

Rafferty was seated Tuesday in the prisoner's box wearing a purple shirt — Tori's favourite colour. His clothing angered a number of the girls' family members, who have attended the trial since it began in early March.

Det. Staff Sgt. Jim Smyth testified last week that he located the site after recognizing landmarks described by McClintic, who had previously confessed her crime to the behavioural specialist in May 2009 and was then helping investigators locate the body.

Smyth told the court how he found her remains at the base of an evergreen tree. Her body, which was partially clothed, was inside two garbage bags and had been partially covered by a number of rocks.

Rafferty's trial, which is expected to last for several more weeks, continues

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/04/03/rafferty-stafford-trial-tuesday.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/04/03/rafferty-stafford-trial-tuesday.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 03, 2012, 01:30:46 PM

Scroll down to just beneath the first picture to watch video. 'Jury hears autopsy results'.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/04/03/rafferty-stafford-trial-tuesday.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/04/03/rafferty-stafford-trial-tuesday.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on April 03, 2012, 02:11:43 PM
McClintick is a problem -

Quote
"Although she was able to provide many details of the site, she could not remember exactly where she alleges Rafferty repeatedly raped the little girl and she had fatally struck her multiple times with a hammer."

There is in sufficient evidence to conclusively prove a sexual motive-

Quote
No evidence of sexual interference was found or was expected to be found, according to an agreed statement of facts read out by the Crown on Tuesday during the testimony of Dr. Michael Pollanen in London.

M.R. and his defence team knew all of this earlier through the discovery process. Wearing a purple shirt, ....ill advised freakish and bizarre...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on April 03, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
Surrrrre there's no evidence of sexual assault.  I'd like to ask that SOB why Tori's pants and underpants were removed.  Why was she found wearing only a shirt?  She wasn't abducted that way.  I highly doubt Tori removed them herself.  If they had nothing to hide, then where did her pants go? Let's hope he testifies.  Let's hope someone asks him. Let's pray this jury sees through all the nonsense and finds him guilty, so that he never sees the light of day as a free man again.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 03, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/197788--tori-stafford-s-dad-leaves-as-court-sees-photos-of-her-remains
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 03, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
rafferty is wearing a purple shirt today.

Tori's favourite colour and the colour which her parents and family wear to court every day.

He really is a sicko...

He is a sociopath---this just reinforces that... I can't believe his lawyer isn't trying to keep a wrap on him....if he gets off our justice system needs an overhaul......there is no reason Tori should have no clothing from the waist down unless McClintic's testimony is truthful about that---why would her pants have been removed if they were killing her anyway/even if she urinated in them???  No pants equals good grounds of a sexual assault  and if R didn't supply the car and drive there would not have been a crime.....and just FWIW  if he thought M was just giving a child a ride why did he park away from the school in a secluded spot and not near the school where others could see his car-- seems like he has been covering his backside the whole time---premeditation  IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 03, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
This article contains graphic detail which I found hard to post. It is inconceivable to me what this child must have gone through prior to her death. This jury needs to get it right.


Christie Blatchford: Science tells us how Tori Stafford died but not how someone could kill her

Christie Blatchford  Apr 3, 2012 – 8:02 PM ET

 
Warning to readers: This story contains graphic details


LONDON, Ont. – Science would save them, Ontario’s chief forensic pathologist, Dr. Michael Pollanen, told the jurors, and he was both right and wrong.

Dr. Pollanen was testifying Tuesday as an expert witness at the Ontario Superior Court trial of Michael Rafferty, who is pleading not guilty to kidnapping, sexual assault and first-degree murder in the April 8, 2009, death of the little Woodstock, Ont., girl named Victoria (Tori) Stafford.

Mr. Rafferty’s former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, almost two years ago pleaded guilty to first-degree murder for her role in Tori’s slaying, and more recently in her testimony here changed her story to say that she, and not her hulking ex, was the actual killer.

By either account, whether she was doing the killing or Mr. Rafferty, the essential elements of the child’s death were the same: The eight-year-old died after allegedly being raped by Mr. Rafferty. She was, Ms. McClintic told Judge Thomas Heeney and the jurors, first kicked and stomped and then struck in the head with a hammer which she had bought, just an hour or two before, ostensibly at Mr. Rafferty’s direction.

Dr. Pollanen was called in when Tori’s remains were discovered in what he called “a clandestine grave” under a rock pile in the countryside south of Mount Forest on July 19 that year, more than three months after she had vanished on her way home from school.

The next day, what was left of the little girl was transported to Toronto for autopsy, which Dr. Pollanen performed.

The jurors were about to see a few selected slides from that post-mortem.

“These photographs, even for pathologists, can be very confronting,” he told them. “You have to look past your emotion and see the science. There are things to be learned from them.”

What follows is some of what the science had to say.

First, the little girl’s body was so badly decomposed that there was no evidence of sexual interference because the area was essentially obliterated, and her body was partially skeletonized.

She was identified by dental records.

She died in the foetal position.

Her liver was lacerated.

No fewer than 16 of her ribs were fractured, sometimes in multiple places.

These two injuries were probably related, because the job of the rib cage is to protect the organs of the chest and the liver is just below that on the right.

The injuries were likely caused by strong blunt force trauma spread over a broad area or a single massive compressive force.

Since the little girl’s body was found under some huge rocks, one directly on the chest, Dr. Pollanen had to try to learn if the injuries were caused before death, or after it, by the rocks.

He got lucky: His microscopic examination revealed liver microemboli in Tori’s lung – tiny fragments of liver tissue wildly out of place in the lung. It got there because the little girl was alive when she received broad blunt impacts such as punches or kicks.

That trauma to the liver, in time, would have been fatal in and of itself.

Her scalp, brain and most of her face were gone.

But, working with forensic anthropologist Dr. Kathy Gruspier, who put Tori’s skull back together à la Humpty Dumpty, Dr. Pollanen learned the bones of her face were markedly fractured (cheekbones and nose) and that her reconstituted skull was a patchwork of linear and depressed fractures.

Dr. Pollanen said there were at least four separate areas of damage, meaning at least four separate blows.

By using a three-dimensional model, made of dental stone, he was able to show the jurors how the claw end of a hammer (it was like the one Ms. McClintic bought that day, but he could say only that a hammer, not this specific brand, was the weapon) fit into two of the wounds.

Tori suffered penetrating skull damage. She would have been bleeding from the head wounds, the broken nose. She would have suffered traumatic brain damage and intercranial bleeding. She would also have been bleeding internally from the torn liver, which probably contributed to her death.

“Despite all that,” Dr. Pollanen said, “death will not be immediate.” She may have been choking on her own blood, consistent with Ms. McClintic’s testimony that she heard gurgling from the little girl.

Throughout Dr. Pollanen’s testimony, there were reminders that this was a child: She had the extra flexible rib cage of the young; her knee joints were disarticulated, as is normal with children; her bones weren’t fully developed yet.

She was wearing only a little cap-sleeved Hannah Montana hoodie with what Dr. Pollanen described as “an elaborate collar embedded with small crystals,” the picture of a woman with a guitar on it, “various sparkles” and bearing the slogan “A girl can dream.”

In the remains, in the green garbage bags containing them, he also found the butterfly earrings Tori’s mother had loaned her that long-ago morning, two bottle caps, and the fragment of a hair barrette.

So science did its job, and gave the jurors a way past the horrible pictures to the useful facts.

It was silent about a person (and there is at least one), or people (there is allegedly another, Mr. Rafferty), who not only could inflict such damage upon a little girl, but who could also anticipate committing precisely such cruelty when, with the girl herself lying on the floor of their car, one or both of them first stopped at a Home Depot to pick up a hammer and garbage bags.

Postmedia News

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/christie-blatchford-science-tells-us-how-tori-stafford-died-but-not-how-someone-could-kill-her/ (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/christie-blatchford-science-tells-us-how-tori-stafford-died-but-not-how-someone-could-kill-her/)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on April 03, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
Ugh.

Without going into any graphic details... i still hope they are able to convict him of rape as well.  Logically, how else could HIS dna get "mixed" with Tori's and become splattered on the door handle in the back seat and on his gym bag?

I suppose the two plastic bottle lids are consistent and plausible with TLM's story about MR using water from water bottles to clean himself off afterwards. 

What a creep.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 03, 2012, 10:36:02 PM
Always thinking after reading more evidence---I wonder if the crown thinks that injuries to Tori's ribs and liver were caused by Rafferty squeezing her tight when assaulting her in the car---maybe she was struggling and he crushed her ribs holding her....maybe crown will bring this up----JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 03, 2012, 10:59:34 PM
Coral if you read the article you will see there was no evidence found, nor was there any expected to be found of sexual assault because the body was to badly decomposed.  I think they are very clearing saying , had she been found soon before so much doecomposion there may have been some to be found. 

The fact this ass work a purple shirt to match the ribbons the family have been wearing in her memory says to me that he is making a mockery of it.   Praying carma gets him.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 04, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
Yes Joojoo, Pollanen did say, "Kicking, stomping, compression of the chest listed as ways could be injured."  And, "It tells you a strong force was applied to the chest." He did not state anything about this may have happened during sexual assault, but I know what you mean.

The claw end of the hammer was applied to the face, 3 times, with great force, and the blunt end of the hammer to the top of little Tori's head once. I'm hoping like hell this little one was unconscious when she was so brutalized by 2 cowardly lowlife scumbags who actually deserve the DP.



Always thinking after reading more evidence---I wonder if the crown thinks that injuries to Tori's ribs and liver were caused by Rafferty squeezing her tight when assaulting her in the car---maybe she was struggling and he crushed her ribs holding her....maybe crown will bring this up----JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 04, 2012, 06:04:27 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/198424--pathologist-testimony-continues-at-trial-of-michael-rafferty
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on April 04, 2012, 06:50:05 AM
Even if they are saying they cannot prove a sexual assault.....this time they have a WITNESS..McClintic..

Unreal, one case we hear about, they cannot find the guy (Stobbe) guilty because there was NO witness to the murder of his wife (Bev)..  In Tori's case there was a witness, right? 

I cannot believe how graphic the articles are, I cry every day for Tori's sad ending.  We definitely need to see these 2 put away forever. Wow, that Christie Blatchford writes whatever she likes.....although I do usually like her articles.

I feel heart-sorry for Tori's loved ones.   RIP little one.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on April 04, 2012, 08:49:44 AM
I feel we are spared the really graphic details but the public needs to know what happened to Tori. That way these sick people can be charged with the crimes they committed for (seemingly) no reason.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 04, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
For those who may be wanting to find, know, keep track of stat's: OPP Sgt. James Stirling stated, "Stats show that 14 per cent of time bodies are found in the water when there has been an abduction."

And

"At that point in investigation involving an abduction only 2 per cent are found alive."
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 04, 2012, 12:46:50 PM
Officer tells Tori Stafford trial of extensive search to locate missing girl

timothy appleby
LONDON, ONT.— Globe and Mail Update
Published Wednesday, Apr. 04, 2012 1:48PM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Apr. 04, 2012 1:52PM EDT

Warning: This story contains graphic details


The search for Victoria (Tori) Stafford in the weeks after she disappeared in April, 2009 was the largest ever mounted by the Ontario Provincial Police, a murder trial was told Wednesday, but from the outset the odds of finding the eight-year-old alive were close to zero.

In an international study of 735 similar cases – a child kidnapped by a stranger – just two per cent ended with the child being found alive.

The evidence came from Sergeant James Stirling, an OPP search-and-rescue team leader who gave the jury at the Michael Rafferty trial an overview of the massive effort that went into finding Tori after she was kidnapped outside her Woodstock school.

Regardless of circumstances, Sgt. Stirling testified, all searches for missing people begin in the same way: Examining the circumstances of the last known sighting.

“We don’t look for the person, we look for the clues that are left behind” – including sightings, footprints, camera footage, and anything else of value, he told the trial.

Divided into phases and augmented by help from numerous other police services, this particular search encompassed hundreds of officers, more than 5,575 different assignments and the identification of almost 14,000 individuals who might be able to assist.

Mr. Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and abduction.

In earlier testimony Wednesday, the jury also heard forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Pollanen, who examined Tori’s decomposed body, reiterate under cross-examination by Mr. Rafferty’s lawyer, Dirk Derstine that it was impossible to determine whether she had been sexually assaulted.

Nor could Dr. Pollanen specify the order in which the numerous wounds on her were sustained, he agreed, nor say who might have inflicted them.

And from a third witness, OPP Staff-Sgt. Walter Lima, the jurors were given an account of how Mr. Rafferty was arrested without incident in Woodstock on May 19, 2009, six weeks after Tori vanished.

(His co-accused, Terri-Lynne McClintic, was already in custody, picked up on a warrant for breaching an unrelated court order.)

Sgt. Stirling told the trial of how the search swiftly widened, after Ms. McClintic was charged with murder and in a confession gave police a partial account of events.

As he did so, aided by numerous maps, satellite photographs, photos and diagrams, Mr. Rafferty sometimes leaned forward in his prisoner’s box and seemed to be paying close attention – a departure from his demeanour a day earlier when Dr. Pollanen was telling the trial of the horrific injuries Tori suffered.

A landfill site in Salford, just outside Woodstock, was of particular interest during the first phase of the search, Sgt. Stirling testified.

For days police and heavy machinery scoured the dump, and in all roughly 830 tonnes of garbage were examined. So too were many ponds and waterways, deploying divers, with no result.

After Ms. McClintic confessed, however, and provided many details about Tori’s kidnapping and death, the search became far more specific.

Of great interest were both the hammer used to allegedly murder the child, and the rear seat of Mr. Rafferty’s Honda Civic, neither of which has ever been found.

On foot, in all-terrain vehicles and by helicopter, police and canine units were now seeking items the couple discarded as they drove away from the crime scene, and trying to identify various landmarks Ms. McClintic described.

Tori’s body finally was located in July, 2009, in a secluded patch of woods a few kilometres south of the small town of Mount Forest.

The cause of death was “blunt force impact” to the skull, the autopsy concluded, most likely inflicted with a claw hammer.

Two years ago, Ms. McClintic, now 21, confessed to murdering Tori and is serving life imprisonment in a federal women’s prison in Kitchener.

In court testimony last month, Ms. McClintic said she witnessed Mr. Rafferty raping Tori in the car, after the child was kidnapped and driven north up Hwy 6 toward Mount Forest, but that it was she who wielded the murder weapon.

The trial continues Wednesday afternoon.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/officer-tells-tori-stafford-trial-of-extensive-search-to-locate-missing-girl/article2391926/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2391926 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/officer-tells-tori-stafford-trial-of-extensive-search-to-locate-missing-girl/article2391926/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2391926)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 04, 2012, 12:56:16 PM

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/photos-the-site-where-tori-staffords-body-was-found/article2390274/?from=2391926 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/photos-the-site-where-tori-staffords-body-was-found/article2390274/?from=2391926)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-jurors-visit-site-of-stafford-slaying/article2390091/?from=2391926 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-jurors-visit-site-of-stafford-slaying/article2390091/?from=2391926)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 04, 2012, 01:23:42 PM
This is a quote taken from above article post # 228. "In court testimony last month, Ms. McClintic said she witnessed Mr. Rafferty raping Tori in the car, after the child was kidnapped and driven north up Hwy 6 toward Mount Forest, but that it was she who wielded the murder weapon."

That isn't quite correct. McClintic never did say she 'saw Tori being raped'. What she did say was, We were both in the front seat. He was masturbating. He told me to get out of the car and watch for vehicles. (1 car passed by). I walked away from the car. I turned to look when I heard her screaming (never at any time did McClintic say Tori's name as she did in the 59 minute Video during interrogation). She was on his lap in the front seat. I turned away. I heard her screaming, "T...T help me!" "Help me!" I turned around and his bare legs were sticking out of the car (back seat of the car).

The Crown asked her, did you see Rafferty rape Tori? She said..........No.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 04, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Rafferty was trying to rape Tori----bare legs why??? (no pants on ---it was a cold wintery day with snow on the ground) with her on his lap and Tori screaming--good evidence to the charge...and the fact Tori's pants etc. were missing from her body....what could the defence possibly say about that---shall be a good fiction account IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 04, 2012, 05:39:21 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/198424--search-for-tori-stafford-likely-largest-in-canadian-history-cop-testifies
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on April 04, 2012, 06:37:05 PM
The jury needs to ask themselves only one question ``Do we want Mr. Rafferty to be a free man, walking amonst our daughters and grandaughters...`` Who in their right mind would believe this animal`s defence...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 04, 2012, 07:41:40 PM
The Jury might want to ask them selves ,, who had care and control of the car........Did the owner and driver of that car turn around and take little Tori home safe.....................or did he drive to were she was killed..........Did he stop mclintock.....................He is a man suring he could stop and eighteen year old give from harming a sweet innocent child, did he do that............What actions did he take to save Tori life.............what action did he take to stop Mclintoc......................If a jury finds this guy not guilty I for one will never believe in the justice system again that is a Given.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on April 04, 2012, 08:27:47 PM
Very good questions, eyes...  They had me at the point where he drove them to the stores for the supplies, he drove them away from the school, he was alone with the girl while McClintic went into the store, he had full knowledge that she was to be harmed...he even drove to his old girlfriends to get some drugs all the while away from the car and could have indicated he needed help. For a person that wants you to think it was not his fault or he is not guilty, or he should not be put away for a lifetime... he had opportunity to help Tori. He is bigger, stronger and could have stopped the madness. Truth is, he didn't. It seems now .... he participated. Surely this is all the jury needs to consider!?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 05, 2012, 04:34:35 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/198694--court-to-hear-about-search-of-michael-rafferty-s-home
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 10:52:50 AM
McClintic played this song a lot, which was not found on her iphone, but which she wrote letters about from her previous visit to prison, and which she talked about a lot.  "Most Sadistic" by Necro. Lyrics can be found here: http://bit.ly/HgsfP6 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 05, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
Tori Stafford missing poster found in Rafferty's home
WARNING: This story contains disturbing details

CBC News Posted: Apr 5, 2012 9:20 AM ET Last Updated: Apr 5, 2012 12:09 PM ET


Police officers found a missing poster for Victoria (Tori) Stafford at the home of the man who is accused of killing and sexually assaulting the eight-year-old girl, a London, Ont., court has been told.

Investigators executed a search warrant on the home of Michael Rafferty, where he lived with his mother in Woodstock, Ont, several days after his May 19, 2009, arrest.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and abduction.

Inside a kitchen drawer in his home investigators found a missing poster for Tori, who disappeared outside her elementary school in Woodstock on April 8, 2009, said Const. Gary Scoyne, a forensic identification officer with the Ontario Provincial Police.

Investigators discovered a similar poster in the home of Terri-Lynne McClintic, who pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori two years ago.

Prosecutors contend Tori was lured to Rafferty's car by Terri-Lynne McClintic shortly after Tori left Oliver Stephens Public School in Woodstock. The pair then drove the girl first to Guelph, and later to a rural area north of the city where she was allegedly raped and killed.

Michael Rafferty has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and abduction in the death of Victoria (Tori) Stafford. Terri-Lynne McClintic pleaded guilty to first-degree murder two years ago. (Ontario Provincial Police)Const. Scoyne told the court on Thursday that police also found a receipt for hair dye, which had been purchased three days after Tori disappeared, that matched a box found in McClintic's home.

McClintic testified last month that Rafferty had contacted shortly after the alleged abduction and told her she needed to change her appearance.

As the trial nears the end of its fifth week, jurors are expected to hear more about Rafferty. The Crown has said his Honda Civic would play a key role in the trial, including DNA evidence collected from inside.

Police launched huge search to find Tori

On Wednesday, court heard about the massive search launched following Tori's disappearance. Hundreds of police officers fanned out across a wide swath of land north of Guelph, searching waterways, landfills and highways.

Her remains were eventually located in Mount Forest, a small community 100 kilometres north of Woodstock, by an Ontario Provincial Police interrogator on July 19, 2009. Det. Staff Sgt. Jim Smyth found the site after recognizing landmarks described by McClintic, who had agreed to help police locate the girl's body two months earlier.

A pathologist testified earlier in the week that Tori died after being hit at least four times by a hammer. Her remains also showed signs of stomping or kicking, injuries sustained while she was still alive.

Dr. Michael Pollanen, chief forensic pathologist for Ontario, told the court her body was too decomposed to determine whether she had been sexually assaulted.

Last month, McClintic testifed she was the one who delivered the fatal blows to the girl, contradicting a number of statements she gave to police that Rafferty was the one who killed the girl.

Rafferty's trial is expected to last for several more weeks.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/04/05/rafferty-stafford-trial-thursday.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/04/05/rafferty-stafford-trial-thursday.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on April 05, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
Unless some bombshell is coming which I doubt, for all of the reasons already cited by many on here, I would have to conclude that the test to determine MR's involvement has already been met both logically and legally. I hope the jury see's it that way too. The judges instructions will be very important to how the jury is allowed to decide. Apparently eye witness testimony (especially McClintic's since her about face) is not really considered evidence on it's own, nor are logical arguements or defence / prosecution theories. But couple it all together and I don't think any jury anywhere could dispute finding MR guilty.

Together MR and TM brought out and amplified each others sickness to an obnoxious degree. Neither should see the light of day ever again IMO. I believe in Rodney's cause to have the death penalty reinstated for situations such as this but I fear it is a lost battle. Usually only those with close family ties to the victim have sufficient outrage to discard the modern liberal attitude of our modern progressive society. And in a democratic voting society, the victims families will always be in the minority. Kudos to Rodney for trying, anything that keeps the attention  and pressure up for heavier sentencing in child murder cases can't hurt.
 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 05, 2012, 03:32:24 PM
Quote
Unless some bombshell is coming which I doubt, for all of the reasons already cited by many on here, I would have to conclude that the test to determine MR's involvement has already been met both logically and legally. I hope the jury see's it that way too. The judges instructions will be very important to how the jury is allowed to decide. Apparently eye witness testimony (especially McClintic's since her about face) is not really considered evidence on it's own, nor are logical arguements or defence / prosecution theories. But couple it all together and I don't think any jury anywhere could dispute finding MR guilty.

Totally agree with this statement D1.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:00:47 PM
Click on the link below for the exhibit items found at Rafferty's mother's home. Which is, 70 Tennyson Street, Woodstock. I can put the address up since it is now public and used as an exhibit.

to see the exhibit items one by one, which are many, click on the << button on the far left black bar found below the 1st picture.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/05/19599891.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:07:08 PM
Here is one of the exhibit's of Tori's butterfly earring. Tori's mother gave Tori permission to wear her earring's. After school Tori ran back inside because she forgot the earing's, which made her 3 minutes later leaving than the other children. When found one of these earring's was still in her right ear and the other one found alongside her.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:09:34 PM
Here is Tori's 'Hanna Montana' shirt.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
Here is the laneway. The black B with the arrow is where the car was parked
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
Pictures used in trial of Rafferty's car. Note the back passenger door handle had been removed.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/05/19599961.html#prev
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
A part of Tori's broken hair clip found.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 05, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/198694--missing-child-poster-of-tori-stafford-found-at-home-of-accused-killer


This guy is pure evil.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on April 05, 2012, 07:16:18 PM
Very much like Bernardo and Homolka all over again sadly.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 06, 2012, 10:30:21 AM
A well written article by  JAMES C MORTON, titled, Tori Stafford trial: If Michael Rafferty didn't kill her how can he be guilty of murder?

http://jmortonmusings.blogspot.ca/2012/04/tori-stafford-trial-if-michael-rafferty.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Logical on April 06, 2012, 11:41:21 AM
:'( :'( Peter Mansbridge from CBC news told a lawyer on TV he recieved emails from the Canadian public saying "you know what CBC! The Tori Stafford murder happened two years ago. We don't want to hear about it anymore!".

I was shocked and saddened that people would feel that way. Peter M told CBC viewers they can flip the remote control to a comedy show.Nobody is forcing the Victoria Stafford trial down the publics throat. He is correct.

Well in my opinion the media coverage is like Nancy Grace in the US, very opinionated and with a negative tone, that feeds negativity and angered feelings. I think we are getting far to much detail of this horrific event, it is sad enough that the family must RELIVE all of their pain of loosing their cherished daughter, but to sit through court
and suffer even more to hear details of her last hours is excruciating. As well the police, attorney's, jurors who too have to focus all attention on this inhumane act on such a beautiful promising young inocent child. I wish for the family's sake that they could keep some privacy to the details of her death, what business is it of ours if they have caught the perp and he is on trial, we should mind our own business and not get lost in our anger and lend to hatred of these pathetic people, we need to learn from the details of the abduction, not the rape and manner of death, we need to make sure we stop our child to be victim to these predators and not get lost in the gore.

I try my best not to read the daily if not hourly updates of this case, I will read when he is convicted, fingers crossed. But I saw you all commenting here and thought I would too.

There are many of other predators out there, let's become more aware every day be more observant and teach our children without fear and intimidation how to remain safe. Let's not give these perps ideas of how to pull off such indecent acts and learn from court details what got another caught! If god forbid this happened to my family I would not want the entire world knowing these granular PERSONAL details, with my loss I would like to have some memories to keep for myself.

I know a family that all 3 children were killed, 2 in separate car accidents many years apart and 1 murdered. They had to move away from a place lived in for more than 30 years, as the media coverage and further stories and rumors and gossip in town, not a day went by for a year that someone would make a comment, ask a personal question like they had the right because they knew the details.

I know we live in a society that want to always know more, it is human, but seriously we should really only pay attention to details we can learn to prevent future similar incidents not get buried in these gruesome details that most often do not provide any assistance to the lesson learned, only hope the fear and emotion.

I bet you can figure, I do not even watch horror movies or movies with fighting, I like to keep things calm and focused on the task at hand, getting buried in details can hinder objectivity.

No offense intended to anyone, just sharing my thoughts at this moment.

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Have faith on April 06, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
Hi Logical,

I am sure you are not alone in your opinions on the media reporting of Tori's trial.  I feel the same as you, but realized during Russell William's trial that some people did not agree with me that certain facts did not need to be made public.  I can't find the article, which I thought was in McLean's Magazine, where some prominent lawyers did state that it was totally unnecessary for some of the more disturbing evidence to be made public.  Media journalists are divided on this issue.

Here is an article from The Canadian Journalism Project, which addresses it from a media perspective, specifically as it relates to Tori's case.

Of reporting Tori Stafford’s final day, news organizations take different approaches
Mar 21, 2012 - Posted by Belinda Alzner

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Let’s face it: There is no easy way to report on a trial in which the details of the rape and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford are given. Belinda Alzner looks at the history of the case, the dichotomy between the public's reaction to the coverage and news organizations' understanding of their duty to report it and explains how and why some organizations have decided to take different approaches to their coverage.

 

By now, Tori Stafford’s story is well-known. Her smiling face lit up television newscasts for weeks as thousands who had never met the girl held out hope that she would safely return home to her family. But that would not be the case. Now, family, friends, the public, journalists and those implicated have recently been re-living that final day of her life nearly three years ago from the seats of a London court house, its overflow room, and through the media.

And it is at this point that we say, as the other media outlets have in their reporting of this trial:  This story may contain details some readers find offensive.

On April 8, 2009, eight-year-old Tori Stafford was set to walk home from school by herself for the first time ever when she was approached by Terri-Lynne McClintic in her now-infamous white jacket. Tempting the little girl with the allure of a puppy, McClintic took Tori by the hand and led her toward a car. Except, what was inside the car was not a puppy – it was Michael Rafferty. Surveillance video of McClintic holding hands with Tori was the last time the little girl was ever seen until her body was discovered near Mount Forest, Ont. three months later.

Rafferty now stands trial accused of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping of Tori Stafford. He has pleaded not guilty.

McClintic was sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty to first-degree murder of Tori in April 2010. McClintic’s trial was put under a far-reaching publication ban that received much criticism from the media and politicians alike. Limited details surrounding her case – including the fact that she pleaded guilty – only came to be known nearly seven months later, when a Supreme Court decision allowed the publication of some details from McClintic’s trial.

According to an article in The Globe and Mail published immediately after the partial raising of the publication ban, Judge McDermid’s ruling that put the ban into place was made in order to ensure a fair trial for Rafferty.

That trial has now begun. As a result, McClintic’s graphic testimony that began last week contained details previously unknown to the public, and the discussion about whether or not the media should be reporting them is already in full swing.

In earlier parts of this series looking at the media coverage of Rafferty’s trial, James Armstrong of Global News wrote an account for J-Source of what it has been like live-tweeting the trial and the decisions that are made on the fly. And of course, not everybody likes to know some of the gruesome details. J-Source outlined some of the arguments for and against publishing details in the trial in an article earlier this week.

Emotionally-charged murder trials will undeniably lead to criticism of the media’s coverage. A case in point is not too far back in the collective Canadian memory: That of convicted rapist and murderer Col. Russell Williams. In Williams’ case, reporters could tweet right from the courtroom, which was unprecedented at the time for such a sensitive case. In Rafferty’s trial, reporters can’t tweet from the courtroom itself, but they can do so from an overflow room set up for media and the public. In both cases, the constant flow of real-time testimony raised the question: “How much is too much?”

Since Williams’ case, news organizations have had time to reflect. But still, a more fundamental question of whether or not details in the case should even be leaving the courtroom has been raised.

But there seems to be some dichotomy between the public’s reaction to the information emerging from Rafferty’s trial and journalists’ and news organizations’ understanding of their duty to report it. Among pleas from readers, listeners and viewers to not show or tell them any more about Tori Stafford’s brutal murder, it should not be forgotten that journalists are people too; they are mothers and fathers, and covering this story is surely akin to watching their worst nightmare play out for another family. A trial such as this can take a toll on a journalist as well — just ask David Seglins, who filed for CBC Radio on the Russell Williams trial.

News organizations have grappled with the decision about how to handle their coverage of the trial, how much is too much and have taken different approaches accordingly. But many also make an effort to explain why this reporting matters, why people should pay attention to it and why it is not only a right, but possibly even a responsibility to embrace the concept of open court – even when the details that emerge from it might make some people uncomfortable.

Here are four examples of differing coverage from local, regional and national publications and their justifications for it.

                                                      ___________________________________________

London Free Press

A statement of warning, either printed or spoken, has more often than not accompanied outlets' coverage of Rafferty’s trial.

But as one J-Source reader pointed out, such warnings of graphic content in radio broadcasts only serves its purpose if a listener has been tuned in since the beginning of the show – if they turn it on halfway through, they may inadvertently hear details they did not wish to know.

The same can be said of Twitter. Many reporters tweeting from this trial are using their personal accounts and they tweet warnings to followers about graphic content throughout the day. But if a Twitter user who follows these reporters logs in during the middle of a harrowing testimony, they may accidentally stumble upon things they wish they could un-read.

For this reason, The London Free Press has set up an entirely separate Twitter account for the Rafferty trial, clearly named @RaffertyLFP, its bio containing a warning about the content the profile contains.

Mike Knoll, digital/visual news editor at the Free Press, told Sarah Millar for a story for OpenFile that "We really, really thought that we'd give our readers the option of whether they want to hear these gruesome details, of whether they want to be exposed to this story because we're going all-in in our coverage and it's definitely not to everybody's taste."

The tweets from the @RaffertyLFP account are pulled into a CoverItLive blog throughout the day, which Knoll moderates and responds to reader comments. According to the OpenFile story, on Mar. 13, the first day of McClintic’s testimony, the live blog received 18,000 visitors throughout the day and has been replayed more than 25,000 times since. As well, the Twitter account currently has over 1,600 followers.

The Free Press has also set up a separate landing page on its website for all things related to the Rafferty trial. This was one of the most common suggestions given when J-Source solicited feedback on media coverage thus far.

But to return to the question as to why they’re reporting the details in the first place, Larry Cornies, a journalism professor at Conestoga College in Kitchener as well as a journalism ethics teacher at Western University, wrote a column for the Free Press last week that further explains journalists’ duty, even if the details might offend.”We need to look and learn. Neither is easy,” he says.

From there, Cornies continues, explaining that the courts represent the social contracts we each are expected to uphold as citizens, and that within these courts, “we broker what we as a society will and will not tolerate among us, as we seek to live peaceably with one another. Here, the abstract aspirations and limits we set for our lives together become real. The acts of Parliament and statutes of our legislatures are translated from dusty shelves to real life.”

He says that citizens have a responsibility to support the judge, jury and other civil servants who are tasked with hearing details that they won’t ever be able to forget:

    When it comes to what happens in our courts, citizens have the right to avert their eyes. But there also comes a time to stare evidence in the face, in all its ugliness, and stand with those who must wrestle with it on our behalf.

    Besides, we can’t change what we don’t understand.


Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 06, 2012, 04:23:28 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/199033--terri-lynne-mcclintic-charged-with-assaulting-fellow-inmate
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on April 06, 2012, 06:49:59 PM
Logical, I read your post, and agree with you 100%.  We do not need to hear of the struggles of her mother with Oxycontin, or whatever.  Nor do we need to learn of the gory details, blow by blow as to how this child died.  Some things should remain sacred and left from the public's morbid curiousity. This child's suffering deserves to be treated with dignity, not plastered all over newsprint, and other media. 
It should be left in the courtroom, for the jury to hear.

The personal dignity of the victim seems to be lost in the telling of her death somehow.

This precious little girl is gone, and all of the blow by blow descriptions and sensationalism takes away  the dignity of her last breath drawn.

I ask myself how many times do we hear such gory details in print of an adults rape and murder? There are som eexceptions that do come to mind recently ie; Williams and Bernardo, who were serial killers.  This was not the case with Tori.  Children's dignity should be protected even in  their death.

While we should not be privy to such intimate  details,  we are,  and should be,   privy to the outcome of this trial.  JMO>
 :'(

JB.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 07, 2012, 10:33:42 AM
This article speaks a little about Tori, as she is remembered by a loving father. A stark contrast to the articles surrounding the court case.

Tori's family to mark anniversary of disappearance on Easter

9:54 am, April 7th, 2012
 
RANDY RICHMOND | QMI AGENCY

LONDON, ON - The death of his daughter and the season of rebirth provide a poignant mixture for Rodney Stafford.
"Easter was very big. She was a kid and it involved free candy," Stafford said with a chuckle remembering his daughter, Victoria. "She was a part of a few different things at the church with her Nana. It was a big deal for her."

Easter Sunday this year falls on April 8, a date Rodney Stafford and the rest of Victoria's family will always remember. It marks the third anniversary of the day the eight-year-old Woodstock, Ont., girl disappeared while walking home from school.

One person pleaded guilty to her murder. The second is on trial in London now, and it's only a matter of calendar luck that evidence of the crime will not spill out in a courtroom on such a hard day for family.

Three years later, it gets no easier for the family marking Easter without her.

"Tori's gone. Each year we're going to have to spend our Easter with her out at the cemetery," Stafford said outside court last week. "There's no difference ... whether it's this year, next year or a couple of years from now, we're still going to have to do Easter without her."

This Sunday, Stafford said, he'll probably gather with the rest of his family - Tori's grandmother, aunts, uncles, cousins. He'll go to the cemetery and maybe place a few Easter eggs and "make Tori a part of everything."

Stafford has tried to use his daughter's death as a way to build awareness about child abduction.

"The gruesome details of what happened that day are terrifying, but people need to know it in order to understand," he said.

The trial has drawn almost as much media attention as the original disappearance. Tori, it seems, cannot be forgotten.

"She was the perfect definition of childhood innocence," Stafford said. "She was eight-years-old, little, blond-haired, blue-eyed, very loveable, very caring.

"She was a little tomboy but at the same time she could be a little girl, a little diva. There are just so many different things about her that people have come to adore."

Images of Tori have again filled media this spring as they did three years ago.

Some photographs - the one with the sunglasses on top of her head used in missing posters, or the one with the butterfly hairpiece, for example - have become iconic.

In each, Tori has the same bright eyes and wide grin.
Three years after she died, Tori offers the hope, just as Easter and spring always do, that death will not prevail as long as love remains.

"Three years later, what sticks with me most about Victoria was the fact that she was so energetic. She had an amazing smile," Stafford said. "She's gone now, but she is living on."

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/04/20120407-095456.html (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/04/20120407-095456.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 07, 2012, 10:40:39 AM

- Rodney Stafford
"Three years later, what sticks with me most about Victoria was the fact that she was so energetic. She had an amazing smile," Stafford said. "She's gone now, but she is living on."
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on April 07, 2012, 06:26:05 PM
I found myself agreeing with much of what was stated recently about not publishing all of the gory details for all to see. Logical, JB and many others have pointed out -
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While we should not be privy to such intimate  details,  we are,  and should be,   privy to the outcome of this trial.  JMO>

Rodney's words were perhaps more telling in this regard than they first appeared, and he is one of those who is most affected..

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Stafford has tried to use his daughter's death as a way to build awareness about child abduction.

"The gruesome details of what happened that day are terrifying, but people need to know it in order to understand," he said.

Rodney stepped outside on his worst day but he wants people to have the right to know. To maintain the integrity of our justice system and keep everyone honest, somebody has to be looking over everyone else's shoulder. Just because we are privy to it all, doesn't mean we have to post publish and sensationalize it all. Jmo

From an article posted by Have faith-

 
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He says that citizens have a responsibility to support the judge, jury and other civil servants who are tasked with hearing details that they won't ever be able to forget:

    When it comes to what happens in our courts, citizens have the right to avert their eyes. But there also comes a time to stare evidence in the face, in all its ugliness, and stand with those who must wrestle with it on our behalf.

Besides, we can't change what we don't understand.

But, perhaps some greater personal discretion should be exercised at times along the way? EWO has posted many links but seldom posts unnecessary or gruesome details. I think most of us are fine with that especially at this stage. When articles on here contain more gruesome details most have warnings so we can all just read as much as we chose.

But if for instance and God forbid, MR was ever acquitted, all of my thoughts on this would change and I would want to know exactly what went wrong in order to close whatever loop hole allowed it so as to prevent it from ever happening again. Part of our responsibility as citizens if and when necessary IMO. Meanwhile, I am content knowing the details are recorded and can be found.

No matter what evil and ugliness the world threw at Tori that day, her own innocence beauty and light outshines it all and always will. Nothing anyone says or does can ever change that. In time those responsible will be locked away and the rest of that spawn will just recede back into the dark crevices from which it sprang.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 07, 2012, 09:13:33 PM
I for one believe we are entitled to the facts in the court of law.  After all should some one be able to or chose to attend they would see these facts in the court room.  Some of us may be more squeamish that others thus should govern our selves accordingly.  After all is you scare easy , then you dont watch horror movies right?  Thus is facts of this trial may bother said person , then the thing to do would be to not read the media reports.  But I my self would like all the facts.  JMO.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 08, 2012, 08:12:09 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/national/article/199242--family-of-tori-stafford-spend-quiet-day-on-anniversary-of-her-disappearance
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on April 08, 2012, 09:38:01 AM

The article posted by Eyeswideopen ends with Rodney Stafford telling people to hold their kids a little tighter, and appreciate them.  I wonder how many of the single moms that Rafferty dated are doing this.  I hope they are thanking their lucky stars that they escaped his grip.  Was he dating those single moms to have easy acces to their little girls?! 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 08, 2012, 10:47:44 AM
I for one believe we are entitled to the facts in the court of law.  After all should some one be able to or chose to attend they would see these facts in the court room.  Some of us may be more squeamish that others thus should govern our selves accordingly.  After all is you scare easy , then you dont watch horror movies right?  Thus is facts of this trial may bother said person , then the thing to do would be to not read the media reports.  But I my self would like all the facts.  JMO.

Eyes, I was a court reporter and took some murder trials. I want to tell you that it takes a while to banish from your mind the facts in their reality. I had to mark Exhibits, pictures of crime scenes. It is horrific and it stays with you. Someone has to do that job and in time the memory leaves. But I know one case I took and it was a mother who stabbed and killed her seven year old son in his sleep. That is hard to forget. The boy was sleeping and she had him on visitation, that bothered me for some time and I never mentioned to anyone how much that bothered me. So the facts you may want to hear and see, you may change your mind. But in my mind, I can only imagine the horrific last moments of a little girl that cried out for help and it wasn't there.

And normally any child that age that wanted help, would even think that people their age would help her, but no, she was in the arms of the devil when she encountered those people on that day. RIP Tori.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 08, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
I agree with some, that the facts of criminal cases need to be made public and let people decide if they want to read them or not. By hiding the facts from the public you are protecting/shielding  the perpetrators and their criminal acts-- the public then is naive to the evil of such people.  For the public to become outraged enough to want to change our form of justice they need to know the raw facts and decide what consequences are fitting for the criminal acts that have been done to the victims. Hiding the facts puts the public in a place of complacency and gives a false sense of safety & security. If the murderers of Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French and the facts were known publicly before KH's sweetheart deal was made, she would not be out now.... and  maybe the public would have lobbied for changes to the law back then. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 08, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
Capeheart-  Just so you know , your looking at the girl who had to go on the search with the police, and help find each tiny piece of my brother that was scattered over a two and a half mile area of the bush.  Which we did, I do know how horrrific some things can be.  Your also looking at the girl who along with her brothers and sisters and elderly parents had to view my brothers skull at the forencis science lab in toronto.  So yes I do know what it is all about Cape heart.

How ever I still feel it is the right of the person who choses to hear, and see, and have the facts reveal , if they so chose. 

What should the journalist do butter it up and make it not look so bad

No the cold hard facts, are the cold heart fact. 

We the public , can chose wither we chose to hear it, or view , that is a matter fo choice. There is plenty I chose not to hear, but again that is my choice.

Thank God for the right to choice, and freedom of information.  We need to face the facts that there are animals like that out there, in order to better protect out love ones.

Or we can bury our heads in the sand and believe in a happyly ever after, but we all know that is a fairy tail.  JMO of course.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 09, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
While trying to analyse this case----there was a comment that MR mother's boyfriend said MR had a temper---this should be brought forward at the trial with evidence from witnesses- the fact that he could have become enraged and used violence against Tori if she fought back...especially if high on drugs at the time.  I would find these witnesses to his character and have them testify. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 07:41:25 PM
The temper aspect of rafferty was brought up in trial, not as much as it could have been, in my opinion. During testimony, before the abduction, McClintic said that when... "Mike and I were driving around, going somewhere he would talk about how easy it was to break into a single mother's house and tie her up in the bedroom. He would then point to a couple of windows in different neighbourhoods as we drove by. He brought the conversation up about 3 times." When asked by the crown what she thought at that time she said, I blew him off as just talk. I didn't take him seriously. Also on the stand McClintic said that when she threw the little girl into the back seat (where she fell off the seat onto the floor on top of water bottles) rafferty was angry with her and yelled at her that he 'wanted a younger girl' because they are easier to manipulate. McClintic said she was in a hurry and when she slammed the back door her purse tassel got caught and broke off, falling onto the pavement. And she said, "When I got into the front seat Mike threw his pea jacket over the girl."

One thing that McClintic said that stayed with me was when rafferty returned from Tim Horton's and got back into the car he yelled, "What don't you understand about keeping her f.... covered!" And threw the coat over Tori again. (During rafferty's absence McClintic was talking with Tori and removed the coat.)  One statement that McClintic made that should sway the jury, I hope, is that when Tori was first abducted and they were driving away he said, "I'm going to F... her!'

This past Thursday McClintic entered a plea of not guilt, via video, (she wasn't able to before due to her upcoming testimony) from the Kitchener Woman's prison on charges gong back to this January of assault causing bodily harm against another inmate. She kicked and stomped the young lady.

What also bother's me is when McClintic was in detention in the past a guard lent her his lap top so she could send emails and she would 'badger' other inmates who didn't take their meds into giving them to her.  She's a bully when in jail, detention, prison.

So far during his trial rafferty looks bored most of the time, during parts of McClintic's testimony he rolled his eyes a couple of times and sat up in interest when letters she wrote were read out.

(not to bring in another case on this thread, but I thought it needed mentioning because I wonder how these people find one another?   another young gal was found not guilty last week, Michelle Laird walked out of the court house a free person after being found not guilty in first degree murder of the stabbing death of Alexandra Firgin-Hewie,  age 13, who was stabbed 37 times. Laird's fiancee,  Rafal LaSota was found guilty of first and received life. And this young 18 year old at the time was inside the house with both of them for 8 hours and helped to dispose of the body and when young Alex was screaming did nothing. If I was young Alex's mother or a relative and heard those 2 words I would have an apoplectic there and then and drop dead to the floor in shock. So here's another young person out walking around and enjoying her life. What went wrong at the trial? Did the crown not do their homework? Were the wrong charges laid? Sigh.

Here's the link http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120402/liard-lasota-verdict-120402/20120402?hub=Toronto

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
Here are some evidence photo's of McClintic's home. This one is of McClintic's hair found in the garbage can in her room with the gum on top of it.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
Here is a link with McClintic's mug shot and an article about her latest charge and who she kicked and stomped, another inmate who is serving life.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/06/convicted-tori-stafford-killer-terri-lynne-mcclintic-charged-with-assault-after-incident-in-prison/
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 08:05:22 PM
Here is 1 letter  McClintic wrote to rafferty and the other was found in her home of the different scenario's if she was picked up and questioned.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 08:07:52 PM
This one is 1 of the scenario's   McClintic thought up if questioned by Police.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2012, 08:39:36 PM
And for those wishing to see pic's of Tori from a baby on up here's the link

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Photos+collection+Tori+Stafford+photos/3952770/story.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 09, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
This is not to say there is any excuse for what she did, but in my opinion from the second she was concieved , Mclintock didn't have a chance, from her bio mom not wanting her and giving her to this Carol woman, to the life she lead growing.  All you have to do is look at the pic of her with adoptive mom Carol posted above and I think that says it.  She had a raw deal into what she was born into .  Not justification for what she did in any way , but as a Mother I have to feel for her and the life she had no choice about leading .  JMO.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on April 10, 2012, 12:17:45 AM
That is a tough one EWO. She looks the part of the baby face killer but has old eyes like Holmolka. It was not a nice life for her. I usually leave off here likening something like this to Old Yeller. You have to protect the innocents no matter what.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 10, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/199639--court-adjourns-rafferty-trial-until-wednesday-due-to-lawyer-s-illness
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on April 10, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
Eyes, I understand what you are saying and I feel too for those who had such a crappy upbringing. Yet somewhere in their minds they must realize those feelings they have are not normal. Drugs are no excuse. No one forces them to take the drugs. Both of these need to be out of circulation before they commit the same heinous atrocity again. They did this with purpose and went straight for the kill. McClintock did this to endear herself to MR.
Rehabilitation for both MR and McClintock may not even be possible if they have been into the drugs for awhile. Their brain cells are damaged. The one picture of McClintock, her eyes are empty; she has no soul. I don't get any good vibes from MR either, very cold face.
My heart breaks for little Tori and the terror and pain she went through in her last hours. The jury needs to find him guilty!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 10, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
DNA evidence was to apparently to be heard today if MR's lawyer hadn't been ill. Hopefully court will resume tomorrow.


The Canadian Press Tue Apr 10 2012
DNA evidence expected Tori Stafford murder trial resumes


LONDON, ONT. DNA evidence is expected to be the focus today at the trial of a man accused of killing eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.

Scientists who ran DNA and other tests on several items of evidence are scheduled to take the stand.

Tori disappeared outside her Woodstock, elementary school in April 2009, and the jury has heard she was killed later that day.

Michael Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping.

His former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, is serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to first-degree murder.

She initially told police she abducted Tori at Rafferty’s urging, and that he then raped and killed the girl.

However, McClintic recently testified at Rafferty’s trial that it was she who used a hammer to kill Tori.

On Sunday, Tori’s family spent a quiet day marking the third anniversary of her disappearance.

Her father and his family paid a visit to Tori’s grave, as they have been most days throughout the trial.

http://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/article/702247--dna-evidence-expected-tori-stafford-murder-trial-resumes (http://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/article/702247--dna-evidence-expected-tori-stafford-murder-trial-resumes)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 10, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
I am wondering if his lawyer is actually sick or sick of what he has to go through to defend his client. Maybe he is going to change his plea in mid stream, because we are now getting to the very crucial evidence, DNA and the horrible facts. Anything can happen in a murder trial, that's for sure, I mean he could change his plea to guilty and take his lumps. Because I'm sure he's not that stupid to think he's going to walk on this one. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 10, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
I'm sure the stress of this trial would make a lawyer sick, especially if their conscience set in defending someone where the crime is so pathetically disgusting. No excuses for crime -even poor childhood---as children grow up they can see differences in the world around them and their choice is still free---and now there are many support systems in society that weren't there 30 years ago when there was less crime.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 11, 2012, 09:35:57 AM
Tori Stafford trial to focus on DNA evidence
 
By Linda Nguyen, Postmedia News April 11, 2012 10:03 AM
 

LONDON, Ont. — The trial of a man charged with the 2009 murder of Ontario schoolgirl Victoria (Tori) Stafford will focus on DNA evidence Wednesday.

The Crown is expected to call scientists from the Ontario Centre of Forensic Sciences in Toronto to testify about tests done on several pieces of evidence for DNA.

The jury heard in the Crown's opening comments that investigators had found the young girl's DNA on a gym bag and in a vehicle belonging to the accused.

Michael Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to all charges related to the disappearance of the Grade 3 student on April 8, 2009.

The proceedings were delayed Tuesday due to a lawyer's illness.

more at the link below.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+focus+evidence/6441199/story.html (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+focus+evidence/6441199/story.html)

Tori Stafford murder trial: Tori’s blood found inside Rafferty’s car, trial told

April 11, 2012


LONDON, ONT.—Tori Stafford’s blood was found inside Michael Rafferty’s car, a scientist with the Centre for Forensic Sciences in Toronto told a jury on Wednesday.

Jennifer McLean, a biology expert, said she found blood on the rear passenger side door and seat area. A blood stain, about four mm in diameter, was found on the side door moulding and when compared to Tori’s DNA profile, McLean said the chance that it was from anyone other than Tori was 1 in 28 billion.

She examined Rafferty’s car on three separate occasions in a secure bay area at OPP’s Tillsonberg office.

Tori, 8, was abducted while walking home from school in Woodstock on April 8, 2009 and killed the same day. Terri-Lynne McClintic and Rafferty, then lovers, were arrested a month later and charged with abduction and murder. The little girl’s body was found under a pile of rocks on July 19 near Mount Forest. McClintic pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in April 2010.

Rafferty’s trial started on March 5.

more at the link below.


http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1159650--tori-stafford-murder-trial-scrap-of-fabric-came-from-car-like-rafferty-s-trial-told
 
 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 11, 2012, 11:34:52 AM
About 84 items from the case were sent to the Centre for Forensic Science for examination. Barbara Doupe testified she found 2 blonde hairs on a black peacoat in rafferty’s home, and it's not clear if scientists were able to match the hair to anybody, including Tori or rafferty.
Scientists tested a small piece of fabric found in rafferty’s car and found it likely came from the backseat of a Honda Civic.
Jennifer McLean, is a biology expert at the Centre for Forensic Science and does body fluid and DNA analysis. The centre was able to work up blood profiles for Rafferty/ McClintic by taking blood samples. McClintic’s was sent to the Centre for Forensic Science. 
Tori's DNA profile was worked up using a hair from her comb and 'A tooth recovered from autopsy"  and using blood samples from her parents

She said found evidence of blood on rear passenger side door and seat area of Rafferty's car and she described how DNA is unique to individuals and how she compares DNA profiles to identify individuals or a group of individuals. A slide of moulding on rear passenger door where blood was detected, and the close up of the blood stain shows it is just a few mm in diameter.   She said she tested the area for blood and then a swab of the stain is taken back to the forensics centre for testing. McLean said the DNA sample was analyzed and compared to Tori's. McClinitic's and Rafferty's DNA profiles.The blood spot was also tested for sperm cells and showed there was a mixture of DNA from two individuals
McLean said the DNA sample was analyzed and compared to Tori's, McClinitic's and Rafferty's DNA profiles and she said  that the chances that the sample was from someone other than Victoria Stafford was 1 in 28 billion the other. The other DNA amount found was below the minimum cutoff. The second blood sample was not examined for DNA as it was assumed it was likely from Tori.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 11, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
This article goes back to March 23rd but is the best example which gives some insight on the dichotomy going on.

Rafferty was merely 'horrified' passenger in Tori Staffford slaying: defence
 
 
POSTMEDIA NEWS MARCH 23, 2012

LONDON, Ont. — The kidnapping and killing of eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford was planned by a rage-filled young woman who took the girl as collateral for a drug debt, the defence in Michael Rafferty's murder trial told court on Friday.

It was Terri-Lynne McClintic who lured the little girl, then went into a Home Depot to purchase garbage bags and a hammer and ultimately used the weapon to smash in the Grade 3 student's skull in a rural field near Mount Forest, Ont., alleges lawyer Dirk Derstine.

"I'm going to suggest that the abduction in this case was your idea, that you went and lured her in the car . . . and Michael thought nothing of it," he charged on McClintic's last day of cross-examination.

It was McClintic who "offered" the girl sexually to Rafferty, and when he refused her "gift," she told him to walk away so she could talk to Tori alone.

When he returned, she had killed Tori all on her own, said Derstine.

"I will suggest that Rafferty came back after the death and was horrified but helped you clean up."

On the witness stand, McClintic refuted the theory that Rafferty was not the "driving force" behind the murder.

"I very much disagree with you," she responded firmly.

Last week, McClintic testified Rafferty had repeatedly raped Tori while she stood motionless a distance away.

"In my mind, I believed that I was not going to let anything bad happen. I thought that I would protect her," she said tearfully. "Just that I wouldn't let anything happen."

McClintic, 21, pleaded guilty two years ago to first-degree murder in Tori's death and is serving a life sentence.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm.

Stafford was last seen on April 8, 2009, outside her elementary school in Woodstock, Ont., a small city west of Toronto.

Her remains were found three months later in a rural field near Mount Forest, Ont., about two hours away from where she was last seen.

McClintic, who is Rafferty's ex-lover and the Crown's star witness, has testified in the high-profile trial for six days.

Wearing a grey sweater and a black-and-white top and glasses, McClintic testified she couldn't explain why she did not go get help when she was left alone with the girl on several occasions during the nearly two-hour ride to the crime scene.

"I don't know how my mind was working any better than anyone else does," she said.

She also denied that during the ride when the couple stopped for green tea at Tim Hortons, she specifically asked for one with three sugars and one and a half milk.

"If there's a child cowering in the back seat of your car, how is it that you're coming up with the idea that a tea would be just lovely?" Derstine asked sarcastically.

He asked her why in January she told police it was her idea to purchase the hammer and garbage bags and not Rafferty's — something she has since contradicted in her testimony.

McClintic explained she lied because she did not want to testify at his trial.

Throughout the cross-examination, the defence highlighted her credibility and violent history to the 12-person jury.

Recently, McClintic confided in her godmother during a prison visit that she felt little remorse for killing the young girl.

"(You said) that you were only sad about the killing, that it was a little kid — otherwise you could do it again?" pressed Derstine.

After a lengthy pause, McClintic softly replied: "Yes."

She also admitted that as a child, she had microwaved a small dog until it screamed.

"Nobody believed that you had done that. You cooked up a story that the dog had been hurt by neighbourhood dogs and it had to be put down. Right? That was the story everyone seemed to believe, Ms. McClintic?"

After another long pause, she replied: "I was a child."

"Because nobody believed you could be so cruel to such an innocent?" pressed Derstine.

"I was a child. I didn't know what I was doing," she responded, crying.

For the past three days, the defence has been trying to paint McClintic as an angry young woman who had been in and out of jail her whole life and often resorted to random acts of violence.

Her criminal record consisted mostly of assault charges, including two incidents that resulted in her mother suffering a fractured cheek and partial loss of sight in one eye

McClintic maintains she changed long before Tori's murder.

On Friday, the jury saw excerpts of a journal she started days after she was arrested for the death of the little girl. The pages were filled with gang signs and angry entries about beating up people.

She admitted on the stand she got into a prison fight in late January where she kicked and stomped a woman who was on the ground in a fetal position.

Court also heard a number of songs Friday by one of McClintic's favourite rap artists, Necro.

One of them, titled Dead Body Disposal, described killing someone, double bagging their bodies and dividing it into different trash cans — details that were similar to what she said she and Rafferty did with Tori's body.

The musician issued a statement Friday via Facebook and Twitter expressing his disgust with being linked to the murderer. "I do not support the killing of kids," he said.

"I love children and feel they should be protected and cared for, especially when they are your family . . .

"My condolences to the family for their loss."

The jury also heard Friday from Ontario Provincial Police Det. Colin Darmon. He testified about the investigators' first interview with Rafferty on May 15, 2009 — four days before he was charged with first-degree murder.

The meeting offered the court a small glimpse into Rafferty's personal life — which has remained a mystery for most of this trial.

He has two brothers, worked in Oakville, Ont., as a landscaper, was training to be an instructor at a ballroom dancing studio and had dated several women in the year he was living in Woodstock before his arrest.

In an audio recording of the interview at Rafferty's house, he admitted he knew McClintic and another woman whose daughter had been best friends with Tori.

Besides them, he didn't know many people in the town.

"The people in here are pretty scary," Rafferty told Darmon at the time.

http://www.canada.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+Rafferty+defence+goes+offence/6348070/story.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 11, 2012, 01:09:06 PM
There are many reporters at the rafferty trial updating twitter constantly they are going through DNA evidence from the car today, and so far there has been blood that is Tori's one in 15 million it would be someone else's. There was also traces of semen with mcclintics DNA mixed in but no semen with any of Tori's DNA.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 11, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
Jennifer McLean pointed out areas on the back of the front car seats where there are blood stains, the bloodstained areas on the back of the driver’s and front passenger seat were removed for more analysis. She pointed a number of areas on the back of the seats which tested positive for blood and one of the bloodstained areas also tested positive for semen. Two of the samples had mixed DNA which showed female DNA and male DNA from semen. She said Tori was excluded from the female DNA sample, and then the samples were compared to McClintic and rafferty profiles.  She concluded that the chance that male DNA was from someone other than rafferty was
1 in 250 billion and that the female DNA on the seat upholstery was not McClintic or a close relative was 1 in 11 trillion. She said the scrap of seat material showed a positive result for blood but not enough to show as a stain. And DNA test were performed on the seat material which was cut out but there wasn’t enough DNA to complete the test’s. A follow up DNA test on the seat material (fabric upper layer) was a mixture from more than two people, one a male but the results were inconclusive. A hammer found in the trunk of rafferty’s car found no blood. But she said  there was no obvious blood stains on the GoodLife bag, found in his car along with the short’s, (which had no blood stains) he told McClintic to put on,  but a "rub" test was done on the bag to look for DNA. And then a close up of the seam area of the Good-Life bag was shown. And Microscopic examination turned a minute blood stain which was examined for DNA. The tests showed a
mixture of DNA from three people. DNA tests matched profiles for Rafferty and Tori, or a relative with high probability. The third DNA contributor could not be determined.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 11, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/200013--forensic-experts-describe-tests-performed-on-rafferty-s-car-and-home
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 12, 2012, 05:53:22 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/200243--rafferty-trial-to-hear-about-his-ties-to-area-where-tori-s-body-was-found
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 12, 2012, 10:56:57 AM
some of rafferty's ex girlfriends took the stand today. One said he was 'needy' so she didn't go to dinner with him when asked and he fed most of them BS lines. The only word missing from their vocabulary was.... Loser. rafferty's neighbour, who lived across the road, helped him move from Guelph to his mother's house. Once he towed rfferty's car when there was clutch trouble. And in March saw a pile of garbage in front of rafferty's house. A ratty car seat with a love seat on top of it.
Here is the link to the DNA evidence photo's. http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/12/19623401.html

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 12, 2012, 03:04:30 PM
Tori Stafford’s DNA almost certainly on Rafferty’s car, but no scientific way to prove how it got there: expert

Postmedia News  Apr 12, 2012 – 4:21 PM ET

 
LONDON, Ont. — Although DNA likely belonging to eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford was found in a car and on a gym bag of a man accused of her murder, science cannot tell how it got there, a lead forensic investigator testified Thursday.

During cross-examination, forensic biologist Jennifer McLean said although she tested what was believed to be the young girl’s DNA to a near certainty on these items, and in one instance, mixed with what was believed to be Michael Rafferty’s DNA, there is doubt on when the transmission had taken place.

“You can’t even tell us whether or not they were in the same car at the same time?” asked defence lawyer Dirk Derstine.

“Based on the results that I have … if I find DNA from two individuals on one item, it does not necessarily mean it was deposited at the same time,” said McLean.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to abduction, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the death of the Grade 3 student.

more at link below.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/12/tori-staffords-dna-almost-certainly-on-raffertys-car-but-no-scientific-way-to-prove-how-it-got-there-expert/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/12/tori-staffords-dna-almost-certainly-on-raffertys-car-but-no-scientific-way-to-prove-how-it-got-there-expert/)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 12, 2012, 05:57:13 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/200243--rafferty-trial-hears-his-car-s-back-seat-was-thrown-out-as-trash
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 12, 2012, 07:07:01 PM

Thanks for continuing to post the links every day, eyes. Much appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 12, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
Your Welcome Deb, just hope I dont double post, as with what is happing with me at the moment, I dont aways have a chance to read it everyday so post the line anyway so our posters can.  Then when I get a chance I read all that I have missed. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 12, 2012, 08:57:06 PM
Your Welcome Deb, just hope I dont double post, as with what is happing with me at the moment, I dont aways have a chance to read it everyday so post the line anyway so our posters can.  Then when I get a chance I read all that I have missed. 

Not to worry if you happen to double post. Knowing how busy you are, I appreciate that you take the time to post the links.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 13, 2012, 06:05:16 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/200506--rafferty-trial-to-hear-about-remarks-he-made-after-tori-stafford-s-murder
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on April 13, 2012, 08:28:18 AM
I know someone said earlier that they didn't find semen in his car. Actually according to the CBC articles I have been reading, they did. And it was mixed with what is assumed is Tori's blood. The defense is saying it could of gotten there afterwords...uhuh...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 13, 2012, 08:49:59 AM
I have been following on twitter and his semen was found in the front seat mixed with mcclintics. All other rafferty DNA was so small it was hard to determine if it was saliva semen or blood. The DNA mixed with Tori's was on his gym bag so she agreed with defense it could have gotten there at anytime and Tori's blood spit ect could have been deposited at a different time then raffertys since the bag contained his gym change ect.

There is literally no proof he raped her. And his neighbors all testified they saw him throw out the back seat of the car after easternweekend but the next door neighbor said he saw him remove the car seat and out it in the backyard in march to install speakers, so basically it was not there when tori was taken! It all so horrible but I truly hope she was not raped. I would rather any child not have to go thru a sexual assault. I just hope they will have enough to book him on murder
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 13, 2012, 10:14:36 AM
Another parade of women from 'Plenty of Fish' ranging in age up to 50. One who lived around the corner from Tara and her daughter used to play with Tori. They all saw through his BS and kicked rafferty to the curb even tho he was a clothes horse. He is a good example of what not to say, and act to women when first meeting them if looking for a relationship.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on April 13, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
I just can't believe that they never have found the back seat. I mean if he was just taking out to install speakers why isn't it in his garage or back in his car. Or why didn't he tell the police he didn't take it to the dump or something. I bet if they had that seat, that would have loads of evidence on it. I just want some justice for Tori, so unreal that this could happen so randomly.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 13, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
Just reading on WS site and following all the info regarding the trial ----after today with the female friends/acquaintances testifying Rafferty comes across as a sociopath who uses people and manipulates situations only for his benefit while making it look as if he cares about others.  Lucky McClintic turned on him and confessed otherwise he would be out escalating his crimes------seems like a Ted Bundy wannabee but without class. I originally thought he could be related to SV but that murder happened after he was arrested for Tori's murder--sorry
JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 13, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/200506--rafferty-told-a-friend-of-tori-stafford-s-mom-the-girl-would-be-ok-court-told
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Dulsebunny on April 14, 2012, 06:54:45 AM
How can he be convicted of murder if the other one already confessed? They cannot prove he sexually assaulted Tori. I'm afraid the most he will be convicted of is kidnapping. That seems to be the only charge (to me) that they have proof of.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 14, 2012, 09:59:29 AM
I don't think the rape charge will go through NPR do I think first degree murder will. I think it will be manslaughter I doubt they can not charge him with anything. So that's my guess.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 14, 2012, 10:34:26 AM
Tori Stafford trial: Rafferty knew backroads where Tori's body found, court hears
 
 
By Linda Nguyen, Postmedia News April 13, 2012   


For almost two years, Michael Rafferty worked at a landscaping company located just north of Guelph, Ont., testified John Cruickshank, his former employer.

The small business owner told jurors that, in 2006, Rafferty was on a three-person team that did work at the Riverstown Waste Facility, five kilometres from where the young girl's body was found.

Much of the work involved him travelling on backroads of these surrounding communities, said Cruickshank.

more at the link below.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+Rafferty+knew+backroads+where+Tori+body+found+court/6453549/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+Rafferty+knew+backroads+where+Tori+body+found+court/6453549/story.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Have faith on April 14, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Below is a description of which homicides constitute first-degree murder charges.  This is from the web site of Daniel Brown, a Toronto Criminal Lawyer.  It is based on the Canadian Criminal Code. You will note that a murder committed while involving a "kidnapping" is considered FDM, with or without a sexual assault, and whether planned or not.  Also, a person can be charged and found guilty of first-degree murder by either committing the killing or helping another person do it.


 

What is First Degree Murder?

First-degree murder refers to a murder that is both planned and deliberate. A murder is planned if it was conceived of and thought out before it was carried out. A murder is deliberate if the acts involved were intended and purposeful. The plan to kill need not be elaborate or complicated and the deliberation need not be lengthy. All that matters is that some form of planning to kill the person occurred at some point and that they deliberately carried out the plan (successfully). An unsuccessful plan to kill someone may amount to attempted murder.

 

Can a Murder that isnt Planned and Deliberate be Categorized as First-Degree Murder?

There are two reasons that a homicide could be categorized as first-degree murder regardless of whether it was planned or deliberate. Murdering a police officer (assuming the accused knew the person was a police officer) is always first-degree murder.

 

In addition, a murder is considered first-degree murder if it is committed in the course of the commission of particular enumerated offences such as a hijacking, sexual assault, sexual assault with a weapon, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement, hostage taking, terrorism, intimidation, or any offence committed on behalf of a criminal organization.

HF
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on April 15, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
A woman who dated Rafferty after having met him on Plenty of Fish dating site, testified to the following:

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“One of the things that drew my heartstrings was that he told me he had a stepson ... that had passed away just a few weeks prior to us talking,” Chambers testified. “Being a mother, that’s one of the worst things you can deal with, is losing a child.”

They had plenty of conversations about her children, a daughter 13 and son 10 at the time.

Makes you wonder, 1) whose son may have passed away and how, 2) if he harmed any other women's children he met off the net, 3) if he really did or didn't like "older" children? 4) Or, if he learned somehow to "like" younger ones. 5) if he was actually scouting children and not women, 6) if he got off by discussing the loss of children to mothers and 7)What is he doing meeting women when he had McClintic as his girlfriend at the time?

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/13/rafferty-joked-about-catching-toris-kidnapper-lover
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on April 15, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
Your last question is easy to answer: He was screwing around and a man capable of murdering a child would have absolutely no qualms about being unfaithful to his 18 year old juvenile delinquent girlfriend.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 16, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Rafferty is a predator. He was scouting, no doubt. Any child would have been in trouble around him. I wonder if there are any children in the past that have been harmed by him, even in his younger years. They may not want to come forward and identify themselves. And if they were young, they may have kept secrets from their parents. It is a darned good thing he was caught and is in jail right now. This woman must have some sleepless nights, wondering about what could have happened to her or her children.  8) 8) 8) :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 17, 2012, 10:34:30 AM
Interesting testimony today that Rafferty dated a lady from Hanover and she drove from Guelph to Hanover on Hwy #6 with him as the passenger.( from WS site) This would give him ample opportunity to case/view the scenery they were driving past as he was not the driver and could look around.  Maybe this is when he first saw the area where Tori was left.  I know when I am not driving and keeping my eyes on the road I enjoy looking around at the landscape & scenery. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 17, 2012, 12:53:16 PM
Another parade of women from Plenty of Fish, a couple of them mothers of young children. He fed them the same bS, And told one woman he had a degree in kinesiology  and culinary arts.   Seems most of these woman drove him about, since his license was suspended. His favourite line seems to be was construction contractor and dance instructor, but his one true goal in life was to be a Paramedic. On May 15 a new woman ‘friend’ and he went across the boarder, he to specifically look for Puma shoes. Didn’t find any. Then they planned a trip to Vegas. It was the next day rafferty phoned her and told her he got a visit from the Police asking him about Tori. He was upset that the Police suspected him. She met up with him for a coffee on Sunday the 17th he wanted to go back to the States on the Monday. She had his birth certificate because she was planning a trip to Vegas. On Monday he phoned Woods from White Oaks Mall and told her he had bought clothes for her for her Vegas trip. They planned to meet up in The GoodLife parking lot. Rafferty had damaged his Blackberry, by water damage and needed a new one. They met at The Goodlife parking lot in Wooodstock on Hwy 59 about 7:30 p.m. Woods said she got there first. Rafferty arrived and put Vegas gift in her car. A police officer came and arrested Rafferty at that point. Police asked for her ID and questioned her. They confiscated her car Woods said the police also wanted her laptop and had no idea what was going on
Derstine, rafferty’s lawyer,  asks about farmland north of Woodstock for some reason. She said there is a lot of farmland north of Woodstock . No further questions
Next up is Police Constable James Brady. 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 17, 2012, 01:22:38 PM
Brady talks about tracing rafferty's blackberry phone and the calls made from it, and getting the warrant . A 300 $ phone bill, on his old one as he had put it in for repair and was given another replacement until his old one was fixed. And at least 2 calls from Mount Forest the  night of Tori's death and three from Guelph.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on April 17, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
Interesting testimony today that Rafferty dated a lady from Hanover and she drove from Guelph to Hanover on Hwy #6 with him as the passenger.( from WS site) This would give him ample opportunity to case/view the scenery they were driving past as he was not the driver and could look around.  Maybe this is when he first saw the area where Tori was left.  I know when I am not driving and keeping my eyes on the road I enjoy looking around at the landscape & scenery. JMO

The area where Tori was found was a concession east of Highway 6 - it would not be visible from Hwy 6.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 17, 2012, 05:12:32 PM
You're correct Mom------but being driven through this area often would give him a good idea of what is around and how remote some areas are. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on April 17, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
If the average serial killer starts around age 29, then one can only hope Rafferty was caught at the beginning of what could have been a string of such murders. I think he was in his early thirties. It also strikes me that he and his girlfriend became an evil duo like Homolka and Bernardo in that the murder and abduction happened because there were the two of them together. Whether he acted on his own before to abduct or harm I do not know but clearly he wanted to cause harm given the opportunity.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on April 17, 2012, 09:59:37 PM
Leon:  I thought the same thing too.  I think he was 28 at the time, and she was 18.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Another gal from ‘Plenty Of Fish’ who met rafferty April 12 and met in person on the 13. More BS said he was a dance instructor, and a contractor and had travelled extensively around the world. They dated frequently then became ‘a couple’. She said rafferty was vague about where he lived and his background but she agreed to be his girlfriend and saw him almost every day. She said she almost broke off the relationship because of her concerns in regards to his past, but they worked it out. Once again they generally used her car coz his car was a mess. Gym bag and spare clothes in the back and she helped in clean out the car in late April. No back seat, rafferty told her he was putting in speakers. Rafferty told her he had purchased a house in Woodstock for his ailing mother. She said rafferty used his Blackberry constantly texting and that she was suspicious. He said he was setting up appointments. Rafferty said it was a teenage friend of the family and he was helping her out. Rafferty said his friend in detention is Terri and he was showing up for her court dates. On May 15 she was going to visit family in Windsor and he was going to the States for dance training and shopping. On May 15 she said cops questioned him about Tori, and then came over o her house and he seemed fine, not stressed out, but felt Police treated him by guilt of association. Rafferty talked about renting a car. She could not see rafferty on the 19 and found out on the 20th  he had been arrested. He had left a red suitcase at her home. Some of his shirts and a top McClintic wore. Every parade of women on the stand has testified that rafferty was constantly on his phone. He said making dance appointments.

Which bring the total of women up to 13. Which includes 7 of them he saw after Tori was murdered.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 18, 2012, 11:37:50 AM
Sleuth, this guy just about was going to run to the USA and they would have never found him. He would have got lost around there and slipped over to Mexico. This is quite interesting, since he's trying to put a halo around himself. He's one dangerous person. A real sociopath, for sure. :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
I hear ya Cape. In my opinion he had plotted and planned and used/manipulated McClintic and tried to use these women as some sort of alibi's. I'm beginning to feel uneasy about the outcome of this case. I pray I'm wrong, but to me there is always a 'but' hanging on. The Crown has to Prove, not the defense. The defense ask's questions of the witness's which put a doubt of maybe in the jurists minds. I hope the Crown's summation is perfectly worded.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on April 18, 2012, 01:12:39 PM
Sleuth do you have links for your short essays? It would be nice to read the whole articles from our own perspective. Thank you.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/rafferty-posted-cheerful-message-hours-before-toris-disappearance-trial-hears/article2406549/

Tori was abducted from outside her Woodstock elementary school shortly after 3:30 p.m.

No explanation was offered as to what Mr. Rafferty had meant, but a screen grab of the Facebook page showed that despite being a digital aficionado, updates to his profile at around that time were not frequent.

The previous entry, where he asked rhetorically, “Where are my good old friends, I need them with me...to get a hold of me so we can meet up,” had been on April 2.

Mr. Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm in Tori's death. The prosecution is expected to wrap up its case next week.

The evidence Wednesday came via 27-year-old Cassondra Harnum who first met Mr. Rafferty about six years earlier and had reconnected with him through MSN Messenger, Facebook, and to a lesser extent the dating site PlentyofFish.com. - the venue through which about a dozen women have told the trial they first encountered him.

Ms. Harnum slightly misremembered the contents of the April 8 posting, recalling his comment as having been: “Big things are coming my way.” But she knew him well, she testified. “We were really, really good friends.”

Earlier, witness Jessica Meloche testified that it was four days after Tori was murdered that she first encountered Mr. Rafferty via PlenytyofFish.com.

Now 29, she told the trial that she first met him in person the next day, on April 13, when he visited her at her home in London, telling her he was a dance instructor who had travelled widely.

After that, they communicated “almost daily,” she said, telling the trial that despite some initial qualms, including the fact that she didn't know where he lived, and the near-ceaseless stream of messages on his BlackBerry, within a week of their first meeting he asked her if they could have an “exclusive relationship,” and she agreed.

At the time of his arrest in May 19, 2009, she was even looking after some of his clothes, packed into her drawers, Ms. Meloche testified.

He'd moved to nearby Woodstock, he told her, because he'd bought his mother a house there and was looking after her.

Other trial evidence has shown that in the days after Tori was killed, Mr. Rafferty was juggling at least three relationships with women he'd met through Vancouver-based PlentyofFish.com.

Much of Wednesday morning's evidence involved cyberspace and use of the Internet.

Mr. Rafferty sat in the prisoner's box taking copious written notes.

His co-accused, his former girlfriend Terri-Lynne McClintic, has admitted abducting Tori and bringing her to a nearby parking lot where Mr. Rafferty was waiting in his car.

The trio then drove to a wooded spot close to Mount Forest, roughly 90 minutes away, stopping in Guelph en route to buy a claw-headed hammer, garbage bags and an illicit bag of Percocets - a strong painkiller.

But who actually killed the child with the hammer remains in question.

Ms. McClintic, 21, now insists she wielded it, but that Mr. Rafferty raped Tori first.

Mr. Rafferty's lawyer, Dirk Derstine, is anxious to persuade the jury that Ms. McClintic's role went far beyond that. He says she was the driving force behind the whole crime, having kidnapped the child as a means of settling an unspecified “drug debt.”

As well, Mr. Derstine will be sure to remind the jury that when Tori's body was finally located, three months after she mysteriously vanished, it was so badly decomposed that the pathologist was unable to state whether a sexual assault had taken place.

Ms. McClintic was arrested on an unrelated matter on April 12, and had been in custody ever since.

And as he did with several of the women he was seeing, Mr. Rafferty made mention of Ms. McClintic to Ms. Meloche, saying she was behind bars and he was worried about her because by then she had been linked to Tori's disappearance.

He also told Ms. Meloche that he too had been questioned by police and that it was because he knew Ms. McClintic.

All the same, “He seemed fine, he wasn't stressed out or anything like that,” Ms. Meloche told the jury.

The trial continues Wednesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2012, 01:27:26 PM
Harnum testifies rafferty’s  Facebook status on Apr. 8th was "Good things are coming my way". was written early in morning of April 8. He had written a lot of stuff on his facebook page all about him. Under his: about Me: “I am slowly becoming somebody. I am complex. I have lots of layers.” Under interests it says “I love life so much and i think friendship is one of the most important things to me” and “I feel the pain of knowing that I had done something different, then life as I know it would be filled with joy everyday.” And “"I love driving in my car as often as possible, to calm myself .. I think all and all I am a good person who means well" Under his interest is “well I enjoy dancing and can move when I want to, I love camping and value friends with more then life itself, lol” and “I love driving in my car as often as possible, to calm myself .. I think all and all I am a good person who means well” and likes rock, country all kinds of music - hard to choose. On TV like Grey's Anatomy, Survivor, Kitchen Nightmares.
And under books he writes Anne Rice, The Secret, Don’t Sweat the Small Stuff, How to Win Friends and Influence People. He likes 80’s movies. And this line, “I have a life with history and sadness like everyone else in the world but sadness in my life is I think my hardest task” and this “…and wish I could go back and change some things and do it all over again,… maybe just the last 5 years I think” and “ Life has given me some short straws and I have let people down I have cared for”

On April 8th, 2009 Rafferty was on Facebook at 10:00 AM for approximately 20 minutes.  Rafferty is taking a lot of notes and yesterday during one of the women’s testimony he stood up in his box and said something to one of his lawyers.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2012, 01:28:16 PM
Sorry SAP no I don't.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 18, 2012, 01:33:48 PM
Sap you can read reporters play by play of the trial on twitter.com search rafferty
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 18, 2012, 01:42:33 PM

Sap you can read reporters play by play of the trial on twitter.com search rafferty

Thanks mallory. Also pretty well all of this information is printed in newspaper articles. eyeswideopen has posted many of the links.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 18, 2012, 01:51:47 PM
No problem I am addicted, I hate not knowing the outcome! And this trial has yet to show anything without reasonable doubt... I hope he gets life but I don't know what will happen!! Let's hope he said something on one of his Internet accounts..

Thanks for this site Debbie! I enjoy it much!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 18, 2012, 02:32:24 PM
Oh dear,  Derstine’s turn to ask questions…. McClintic and rafferty were not friends on Facebook. One of McClintic’s quizzes was, “ "What crime are you?" Answer: Murder” And the music McClintic had on her Facebook, Derstine points out songs by Necro on McClintic site.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 18, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
Tori Stafford trial: Accused a prolific Facebook user, court hears

Linda Nguyen, Postmedia News  Apr 18, 2012 – 2:17 PM ET | Last Updated: Apr 18, 2012 4:02 PM ET

 
LONDON, Ont. — Hours before Ontario school girl Victoria (Tori) Stafford went missing in April 2009, the man accused in her death posted on Facebook that he was optimistic about his life, jurors in his first-degree murder trial heard Wednesday.

Michael Rafferty allegedly updated his status on the popular social networking website with the message: “Everything good is comming (sic) my way.” According to a screen grab of the post, it was made at 10:01 a.m. on April 8, 2009 — the last day anyone saw the Grade 3 student alive.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to abduction, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the girl’s death. Stafford, 8, was reported missing after she failed to return home after school that day in Woodstock, Ont., a small city about 120 kilometres west of Toronto. Her battered body was found more than three months later wrapped in garbage bags under a rock pile near Mount Forest, Ont., nearly two hours away.

In 2010, Terri-Lynne McClintic, a woman who dated Rafferty pleaded guilty to first-degree murder. The 21 year old is serving a life sentence for the killing.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/18/tori-stafford-trial-accused-a-prolific-facebook-user-court-hears/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/18/tori-stafford-trial-accused-a-prolific-facebook-user-court-hears/)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on April 18, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
Just wondering. Do you think McClintic's story would be "more accurate" had she been the last to testify, or in the least after all these women who reportedly agreed to be "his girlfriend" during "their" relationship but are now testifying to their relationship and how often they saw him while McClintic was being questioned and held?

Or will this all play out as proof that he was not in a relationship with McClintic, but was under her jealous attempt to try to gain his "favor" and his "love" by ....
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on April 18, 2012, 07:49:19 PM
I found this article interesting...

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Christie Blatchford: Accused Michael Rafferty finally shows emotion, at sight of ex-girlfriend
Christie Blatchford  Apr 11, 2012 – 8:15 PM ET | Last Updated: Apr 12, 2012 9:05 AM ET
LONDON, Ont. — As witnesses go, Alexis Lane was in the short and sweet category, called to the stand as a courtesy Wednesday, in the midst of the much denser evidence being given by the lead forensic biologist, because Ms. Lane is about to leave on a trip.

She was probably done in less than 10 minutes, but to Michael Rafferty it was obviously the most compelling part of the day.

He, of course, is the accused in this trial, pleading not guilty to kidnapping, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the April 8, 2009 death of Victoria (Tori) Stafford.

With the notable exception of the first day the saddest picture of the trial was displayed on all the monitors in the courtroom — this was a photo of the garbage bags containing the little girl’s remains, the bags poking out from the huge rock pile in which her body was hidden, and here Mr. Rafferty rather showily lifted his eyes skyward and refused to look at his monitor — he has been a remarkably stolid presence throughout.

Only when reaching for his plastic cup of water and ice, as he does frequently, has he even approached anything like animation.


Family handout
Tori Stafford
But from the moment Ms. Lane walked into the courtroom until the moment she left, Mr. Rafferty’s eyes followed her.

She is a pretty 30-year-old with long dark hair who first met the meaty fellow in the prisoner’s box when they were both in Grade 6 in Drayton, a village of about 1,800 northwest of Guelph, Ont.

Interestingly, Drayton is in Wellington County, as was much of the long search for Tori, as were her remains when finally discovered by that rock pile off a lane in the countryside just south of Mount Forest.

In any case, the school was small, and the two knew one another well. Mr. Rafferty was then living with an aunt and uncle there, Ms. Lane said, and though she went on to nearby Palmerston for high school, he didn’t, and she saw him there only once, when he came to the school from Toronto for a visit.

They re-connected, she said, in February of 2009, through the ubiquitous auspices of Facebook.

She was then working at an oil camp in northern Alberta, and would periodically fly home to Kitchener, and they met. For about a month and a half, she told Mr. Rafferty’s lawyer Dirk Derstine in cross-examination, they were romantically involved — they’d talk by text and cell and Facebook, and then meet whenever she was home. (She called such actual meetings “one-on-one visits.”)

She was in his unusual-looking car, a 2003 Honda Civic: It was blue with a black spray overcoat, she said, and the interior, including the dashboard, was painted white.

This is the car that was spotted by an alert OPP officer who spent hours poring over security footage from, among a variety of places, cameras near Tori’s school in Woodstock, just a little east of London. The eight-year-old was seen on the footage walking from the school with a woman, later identified as Terri-Lynne McClintic.

Two years ago, she ago pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in Tori’s death, admitted she lured Tori away, and implicated Mr. Rafferty by saying the abduction was his idea, that she took the little girl to him and that he raped her.

But also seen on the security tape was the car, noticeable because of the odd paint job, which extended to the tire rims, and a rear spoiler.

As Mr. Rafferty’s then-girlfriend — or more accurately, one of them, for Ms. McClintic also considered herself his girl — Ms. Lane was last in his car, she said, on March 23, or about two weeks before Tori disappeared.

But for the curious paint job, she said, it was normal inside, neat, with seats in the front and back.

By the time police first saw the car in May that year, this when they first went to interview him, the back seat had mysteriously disappeared — never, despite exhaustive efforts by police, to be found again.

This is a useful moment to mention the bottom lines of the other witnesses Wednesday, Jennifer McLean, the lead biologist from the Centre of Forensic Sciences on this case, and before her, Barbara Doupe, a hair-and-fibre expert.

Though their evidence was framed with the appropriate scientific care and caution, both made significant finds.

Ms. Doupe found, on Mr. Rafferty’s black pea jacket, two blonde hairs that she sent on for DNA testing, and that a tiny sliver of material taken from the rear floor of the car either came from the upholstery of a 2003 Honda just like Mr. Rafferty’s or from upholstery that was the same.

Ms. McLean testified that Tori’s blood was found inside the car — on the rear passenger door frame and on the bottom of a GoodLife Fitness bag, where it was mixed with what was deemed to be with near-certainty Mr. Rafferty’s blood.

The findings are significant not only because they indisputably place the little girl in the car, but also because they corroborate McClintic’s testimony to a startling degree.

She may have changed her story about who actually killed Tori — for almost three years she said it was Mr. Rafferty, then this year began claiming it was she who beat the child to death — but much of the detail she gave is supported by independent evidence.

The sliver of fabric that likely came from the back seat, for instance, fits McClintic’s claim that after the killing, as the two sped away, Mr. Rafferty had her cut out bloodstains from the rear seats.

Ms. McLean has yet to testify about the results, if any, of DNA tests on the two blonde hairs.

As for Ms. Lane, she said the relationship with Mr. Rafferty, who is now 31, ended on April 1, a week before Tori disappeared. She wasn’t asked why.

As she left the courtroom, Mr. Rafferty watched her closely and their eyes met just before she walked out the door.

He then bent over at the waist, and when he lifted his big head, his eyes were watery and he looked verklempt: Stolid no more.


http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/11/christie-blatchford-accused-michael-rafferty-finally-shows-emotion-at-sight-of-ex-girlfriend/
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on April 18, 2012, 09:29:03 PM
Perhaps his lawyer is working towards trying to prove that McClintic was not one of Rafferty's gf's but how does that clear him? She lured Tori to his car. He was the elder in the situation and he could have stopped the crime if he had wanted to. Since these people had all crossed paths before, to cover himself and Mcclintic, he could have returned Tori to her family stating she went to see a puppy, but he didn't even think of that as he went ahead with whatever they both decided to do, or one of them decided. They had a timeframe they could have done the right thing, but Rafferty as the elder did not help Tori to get away to home. He is guilty just the same as McClintic.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 19, 2012, 06:31:03 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/201476--rafferty-facebook-post-said-everything-good-coming-his-way
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 19, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
Bell Canada's senior manager of fraud and phone forensics is on stand this morning, no details of calls on April 8th just yet... Morning recess called then they will get in to that.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 19, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
After all this technical talk about cell phones now I know how I’m being shafted in the billing department. The map shows calls made from Woodstockm Drumbom Cambridge Kitchenerm Guelph, Arthur, Mount Forest, Eramosz.  At 7:47 on April 8th, 2009 Rafferty made a voice call near Mount Forest and Broad said the first call was made in Woodstock at 12:06 p.m. the next calls were from Guelph and Cambridge around 4 p.m.
The next call around 5 p.m. from Guelph then a data call after 6 p.m from Fergus followed shortly by another call from Mount Forest. Witness listing the voice/data calls made on Apr. 8 with no activity between 17:03:03 and 19:46:42 that day. The txt messages are not listed. The call from just outside Mount Forest took place at 7:47pm. Then another call was made from Arthur at 8:05 pm the last call was around 11:20 pm in Woodstock.  The call made from the Fergus tower at 7:46 p.m. which narrows down the location.
Now it’s  Derstine’s turn to cross exam. He points out length of time not shown on map showing calls made on April 8th and Derstine is questioning a data call on Rafferty's phone record that appears to go on for 17 hours and another data call at 4:18 p.m. on April 8 that appears to go on for 44 minutes another just after 5 p.m. goes for two hours. One call begins at 4:18 p.m. and another at 5:02 p.m. Derstine points out that data call duration proves the phone was on during that time. So he says rafferty’s phone was on between 4:18 pm and 7:03 pm. Derstine ends his cross exam by pointing out that cell towers can only gauge where call started not where the person was.

McClintic did not own a cell phone but her 'mother' Carol did which McClintic sometimes used.


Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 19, 2012, 02:43:51 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/201597--rafferty-s-cell-records-appear-to-place-him-in-area-where-tori-was-killed
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 20, 2012, 09:51:55 AM
Charity Spitzig a 26 year old, has 5 children and lived in London in 2009. Another POF from 2008 and thought they were a exclusive couple who were going to get married and have a family. They talked about making easy money by the escort business. She worked as an Escort and gave rafferty all her money. On April 8, 2009 she made two deposits to Rafferty's account  $400 deposit for a car payment and a $100 for gas money. All totaled from Dec 08 to April $16,835 deposited to rafferty’s account, not including cash she gave him. They mostly corresponded through Blackberry. On the 8th, there was a time period of a couple of hours when he did not receive messages. On the 9th they talked about Easter plans and her twins birthday. She said rafferty told her about Tori missing and wanted to be part of the search. He updated her on the search for Tori and she was not aware of Terri Lynne McClinti, she says Rafferty never mentioned her.
Defense lawyer Derstine asks about raffertys backseat. She says she believed the backseat seat had been removed before Tori went missing.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 20, 2012, 09:52:54 AM
This is a fairly long read but interesting detail regarding the cell phone usage on the day Tori was abducted.
Warning: This article contains some graphic detail.


Tori Stafford trial: Cellphone record shows gap during abduction, murder
 
By Linda Nguyen, Postmedia News April 19, 2012
 
 
LONDON, Ont. - Michael Rafferty was widely known as someone who was always on his cellphone but on the day Victoria (Tori) Stafford went missing, records show several gaps in his BlackBerry usage, his first-degree murder trial heard Thursday.

Rafferty, 31, is charged with kidnapping, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the eight-year-old girl's death.

Stafford was last seen outside her elementary school on April 8, 2009 in Woodstock, Ont., a small city west of Toronto.

David Broad, an information security manager with Bell Canada, found that according to phone records, Rafferty's BlackBerry Curve had not been used during certain time periods that day.

No activity, including voice calls, text messages and data minutes, which includes Internet browsing, were logged on the phone for more than four hours beginning at 12:06 p.m.

At 4:18 p.m., a cellular tower in Guelph, Ont., indicated that the phone was used for data. A minute later, a voice call was recorded at the same tower.

Then the phone was used again to make another phone call at 4:28 p.m. and to retrieve data at 5:03 p.m.

After that, the BlackBerry was silent until data was used more than two hours later at 7:46 p.m. and a voice call was made at 7:47 p.m. These two transmissions were recorded independently off cellular towers in Fergus, Ont., and Mount Forest, Ont., respectively.

Mustafa Bakhtyar, a radio frequency engineer with Bell, explained to jurors that cellphone towers cannot guarantee the location of where activity was transmitted, but in most cases, the nearest cellphone tower would pick up the signals emitted.

The discrepancy in two towers in different communities recording this usage a minute apart illustrates this, he said during cross-examination.

Yet Bakhtyar also agreed that it was entirely plausible that both transmissions had been made, like the Crown suggests, in Mount Forest.

This was the closest town to the rural field where Stafford's remains were discovered on July 19, 2009.

A lone police detective found the girl's battered body covered in garbage bags and buried under a rock pile after receiving information about the cellphone tower logs.

An autopsy found confirmed that Stafford had died from blunt force trauma to the head, most likely caused by multiple blows from a hammer.

Court also heard the data showed Rafferty's BlackBerry was used near cellphone towers in Woodstock, Guelph, Ont., and Mount Forest - alleged to be the route Stafford was driven during the kidnapping.

During this highly technical testimony, Rafferty could be seen, like he has been the last few days, writing furiously into a pad of paper from the prisoner's box. It did not seem like he was taking notes about this evidence.

In 2010, Rafferty's ex-girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison for the child's death.

Testifying at his trial, she said Rafferty took out his cellphone battery as the couple was leaving Woodstock and put it back in again about 45 minutes later when they were outside his drug dealer's home in Guelph.

According to the Bell technicians, the cellphone data corroborates this testimony.

A phone bill submitted as evidence showed that Rafferty's monthly balance had been more than $340 and listed at least 400 phone calls and data usage activities during a billing period.

McClintic, 21, said she lured the girl outside the school around 3:30 p.m. with the promise of meeting a puppy. McClintic says she pushed the child into Rafferty's car, and drove her to Mount Forest.

When they got to the field, she alleges Stafford was repeatedly raped.

The girl was then fatally struck with a hammer several times by McClintic.

Jurors also heard Thursday from two employees at BlackBerry maker Research in Motion Inc., who testified that records indicate Rafferty sent dozens of BlackBerry instant messages the evening of April 8, 2009.

The content of these messages could not be retrieved, said Jessica Youngs, a security analyst with the Waterloo, Ont.-based company.

Linnguyen(at)Postmedia.com

Twitter.com/LindaNguyenPN

http://www.canada.com/Tori+Stafford+trial+Cellphone+record+shows+during+abduction+murder/6487990/story.html (http://www.canada.com/Tori+Stafford+trial+Cellphone+record+shows+during+abduction+murder/6487990/story.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 20, 2012, 11:09:18 AM
While Charity Spitzig testified rafferty didn't seem to react at all. No emotion shown from the prisoner's box. Judge Heeney tells jurors that rafferty’s character has no bearing on whether he is guilty or not. Another gal from POF on the stand and she exchanged text’s with Rafferty on the morning and night of April 8th. On April 9th stopped by rafferty’s house in early afternoon, hung out, had sex and left. She returned on the 26th to pick up a letter and a  CD she had made for him, which was the last time she saw him..

Lawyer Derstine’s turn and refers her to the Police statement where she said it might have been the 9th or 10th where she had sex with rafferty.
After the cross exam the crown presents the witness with a calendar to point out the day her and Rafferty were intimate. She confirms the date was the 9th.

Another gal from POF on the stand.  She met rafferty around the end of March beginning of April. They met up at a coffee place and rafferty told her he had a son and just got back from Australia. She met up with him later on for drinks. They met up again on the 5th and 6th. After the 6th she told rafferty she didn’t want to see him anymore, and argued back and forth over text messages about that. Prior to that they were ‘intimate’.
Another gal from POF on the stand, at that time she was 18 and met on  Zoosk. Texted him on the 8th and can’t recall what the text’s were about. Last text she received from him was late on the 8th.
Another gal, age 30 from London and POF on the stand and met him April 1 of 09 for coffee and hung out. Didn’t see him after that and said his car was messy but didn’t notice anything about back seat. After that they communicated through MSN. Noticed on his MSN status that he was helping search for Tori. In April she was sending joke emails and rafferty was on her contact list. He got angry because of the notifications. The Crown points out that rafferty called her at 4:28 p.m. on Apr. 8th but she doesn't remember the call.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 20, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
After more evidence this week---I am wondering if Rafferty was not buying drugs from TLM's mother but he was the supplier to them, possibly any outstanding debt was owed indirectly to him; was he hoping to recruit women to be escorts with all the obsessive dating he was doing or was he trying to make contacts for drug selling. This just shows more of his evil manipulating behaviour that he also used on TLM.  Hoping the crown becomes more sharp and firm with  him.  Tori needs justice done.  JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on April 20, 2012, 02:17:50 PM

Can't be 100% certain.... but, I think I remember Terri Lynne's mother, Carol, was prescribed the Oxycontin's from a doctor for pain associated with Intestinal Cancer.  Carol was probably selling them.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on April 20, 2012, 04:47:50 PM
While Charity Spitzig testified rafferty didn't seem to react at all. No emotion shown from the prisoner's box. Judge Heeney tells jurors that rafferty’s character has no bearing on whether he is guilty or not. Another gal from POF on the stand and she exchanged text’s with Rafferty on the morning and night of April 8th. On April 9th stopped by rafferty’s house in early afternoon, hung out, had sex and left. She returned on the 26th to pick up a letter and a  CD she had made for him, which was the last time she saw him..

end of quote from above.

That is just sick to think that someone who met this horrible man on POF had sex with him THE DAY AFTER he murdered and raped a little girl. This should be a cautionary tale to anyone engaging in on-line dating with strangers. The stranger you meet could be capable of anything for all you know and could be a compulsive liar and even a murderer like rafferty. Absolutely chilling.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 20, 2012, 07:21:41 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/michael_rafferty_murder_trial/article/201866--rafferty-was-getting-money-from-girlfriend-working-as-escort
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 23, 2012, 11:04:39 PM
Interesting testimony on Friday-the part about needing money for a car payment just before Tori was murdered. The defence is going to try and say TLM lied about the whole crime but in all fairness MR has probably out lied her just in the few weeks around the crime. He comes across as a total manipulator of women so it doesn't seem far fetched to  see that he could be the master planner of the crime against Tori...and he was in total control being the one in control of the car. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 23, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Rafferty trial to hear legal arguments today; jury to return Wednesday

By The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 39 minutes ago -

LONDON, Ont. - The trial of a man accused of killing eight-year-old Victoria Stafford will hear legal arguments today.

The jury will not be sitting for the hearing in the trial of Michael Rafferty, so what is argued cannot be reported until they begin to deliberate.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping.

His ex-girlfriend Terri-Lynne McClintic, who has already pleaded guilty to first-degree murder, has testified she abducted Tori on April 8, 2009, at Rafferty's urging.

McClintic testified that Rafferty sexually assaulted the girl then killed her, though until close to Rafferty's trial McClintic told police that he had killed Tori.

The trial is expected to resume Wednesday in the presence of the jury.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rafferty-trial-hear-legal-arguments-today-jury-return-045523969.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/rafferty-trial-hear-legal-arguments-today-jury-return-045523969.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 24, 2012, 08:22:14 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/202220--rafferty-trial-to-hear-legal-arguments-tuesday
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on April 24, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
I am hoping that this trial brings justice and holds people accountable for "all" their actions and "non" actions in Tori's murder.  It is sad to say that sometimes lawyers look at things as a big chess game with one trying to out strategize the other --- unfortunately it is human lives they use as chessmen.  jmo
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 25, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
Tori Stafford trial focuses on phone records of accused

WARNING: This story contains disturbing details
CBC News Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:25 AM ET Last Updated: Apr 25, 2012 12:26 PM ET


A police officer testifying today at the trial of the man accused of killing and sexually assaulting Victoria (Tori) Stafford reviewed the phone records of Michael Rafferty the day the eight-year-old disappeared outside her school in Woodstock, Ont.

Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping.

During the trial Wednesday in London, Ont., provincial police Det. Const. Gordon Johnson presented a chart of voice calls and text messages from Rafferty's BlackBerry, all made on April 8, 2009. Johnson, court was previously told, interviewed Rafferty on May 15, 2009, when he first came to the attention of police.

Last week, jurors heard testimony from experts at Bell Canada that showed Rafferty's BlackBerry had been used in Woodstock, Guelph and near Mount Forest the day Tori disappeared.

Victoria (Tori) Stafford disappeared on April 8, 2009, outside her school in Woodstock, Ont. (Canadian Press)Johnson also detailed other activity on his phone in the spring of 2009. Rafferty's BlackBerry sent more than a dozen messages on April 10, 2009, to a phone belonging to the mother of Terri-Lynne McClintic, who pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori two years ago.

McClintic, jurors were told last month, used her mom's phone because she did not own one. She was one of a number of women Rafferty was seeing

Rafferty's BlackBerry was also used in 24 calls to and from the Genest Detention Centre for Youth over one month beginning on April 19, 2009. McClintic was taken into custody on an unrelated matter several days after Tori's disappearance and was held at the facility.

McClintic implicated Rafferty in the girl's death on May 19, 2009, and he was arrested that evening.

Crown nears end of case

Johnson also provided usage data from Rafferty's phone over the course of a 41-day period beginning April 8, 2009. It showed he sent an average of 142 calls and messages each day.

A number of former girlfriends have testified that Rafferty was constantly on his BlackBerry while they were together.

The Crown is expected to wrap up its case against Rafferty in the next few days. The defence will then be allowed to present its evidence.

The Crown alleges Tori was lured to Rafferty's car by McClintic, who is currently serving a life sentence. The pair then drove the girl first to Guelph and later to Mount Forest, where she was allegedly raped and killed.

McClintic testified last month that she killed the girl after hitting her in the head with a hammer, contradicting a number of previous statements she made implicating Rafferty in the death.

Rafferty's trial, which began on March 5, resumed Wednesday following a day of legal arguments.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/25/tori-stafford-rafferty-murder-trial.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/04/25/tori-stafford-rafferty-murder-trial.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on April 25, 2012, 12:05:44 PM
The crown is wrapping up its case in a few days... IMO they have yet to show anything without reasonable doubt! Hoping for a miracle for tori!!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 25, 2012, 12:26:12 PM
Up next  Detective Constable Gordon Johnson from the  OPP, he’s based in Kincardine. He interviewed rafferty on May 15th, 2009 in Woodstock. In July he reviewed rafferty’s Bell  phone records and other’s phone records, including calls from McClintic’s ‘mother’s’ cell phone. A power point is being presented in chronological order of a list of all calls and text including caller, receiver, time duration, location of cell towers used  and rafferty is sitting up and studying it intently. Then he bends his head and writes furiously on his pad of paper. (Rafferty's call list from April 08 has dozens of calls and text’s, some to people who have not been on the stand.)  It includes 17 hour data call (internet connection) that started at 10:00 PM on April 7, the night before Tori disappeared. (There is no tower information for text messages, only if a person phones) . Most of these texts are to Charity his escort girlfriend. 11 sent 10 received. There were 14 text msg’s sent from rafferty’s Blackberry  to McClintic’s ‘mother’s’cell on April 10, 2009. And then a  list of rafferty calls to auto wreckers and car rental agencies. And now calls made from rafferty’s  Blackberry to the Genest Detention Centre, where McClintic was 1st detained during her arrest.  These are major time line’s from Feb 09 May 09 and approx 142 phone calls and text mesg’s and data calls per day.
Now Court is seeing powerpoint chronology of all Raffety calls made April 8.  The first calls, and texts after midnight were  to and from Charity Spitzig and Elysia Haid. At 9:47 AM Spitzig put $400 in Rafferty. Account about 10 am "Everything good" Facebook posting. At 11:10 AM he withdraws it and at 11:13 AM 5 calls to McClintic’s drug associates .At approximately  2:00 PM Spitizig deposits another $100 into Rafferty’s account. At 3:05 PM rafferty car is spotted on Fyfe avenue and at a gas station.
Between 2:54 PM and 4:18 PM no activity on Rafferty Blackberry except ongoing data call. Rafferty then made a voice mail call at 4:18 PM near Cambridge, which bounces off Guelph cell tower. AT 4:24 PM rafferty send’s message to Armstrong, at 4:28 he calls girlfriend Tara McClelland. At 5:03 PM. rafferty starts two hour data call and send’s a Blackberry msg to Spitzig, (which means  Spitzig sent Rafferty several Blackberry msg’s that weren't received, because his Blackberry was turned off for 2 hours and 41 minutes.). He withdrew 80 dollars at 5:03 PM at a PetroCan ABM in Guelph.  At 5:03 PM Rafferty made a 2 hour data call. No outgoing activity between 5:05 PM and 7:46 PM.  All of these various calls and text and time roughly correspond to McClintics testimony on timeline. Around 8:00  PM more BBMs back and forth from Rafferty and Spitzig also call to Demidas. (All of these calls bounce off  a tower near Mount Forest.)  He calls his home at 8:05 PM for two minutes then  no activity for the next 34 minutes. He also made and got more calls from McClintic's drug associates just before 9:00 PM also 6 text to Demidas and one to Haid. At 11:00 PM calls came from towers in Drumbo and Woodstock. Just before midnight rafferty makes data call that lasts for 20 hours A police officer spots rafferty car just before midnight.  Johnson said McClintic resumes using her cellphone on April 9 around 6:42 PM for the first time in three days. On April 9th, 2009 rafferty did not contact Carol McClintics cell phone.
On April 10th, 2009 rafferty and McClintics cell’s exchanged over 40 txt msg’s which  started at 2:00 PM. She contacted him and the call lasted 22 seconds. On  April 11, McClintic and rafferty exchanged 10 text msgs between 3:12 - 5:24. rafferty purchased hair dye at 7:23 PM. McClintic was then arrested on the 12th.




 


 
 




Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on April 25, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
Crown has no further questions. Derstine cross examines Det. Constable Johnson. Derstine questioning the average usage of raffertys blackberry on April 09. Says they have no Blackberry messaging figures from before that for comparison.
Derstine ask about 4:18 PM two-hour data call on April 8, 15 seconds before money is withdrawn from ABM in Guelph. Derstine questioning the timing of the CASS surveillance video release and McClintic’s cell-phone usage resuming on April 9th.  Derstine asks Johnson if its common for rafferty to have gaps in phone usage (like he did on Apr. 8th). Johnson says yes. No more questions from Derstine.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 25, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/202422--rafferty-in-frequent-contact-with-mcclintic-after-tori-s-death-records-suggest
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 25, 2012, 03:51:54 PM
Debbie thanks so much for posting the documentation of the trial in regard to the phone calls, and phone usage.  I find it so much more helpful when we know that is facts that are released from the courts as opposed to opinions.  I am watching this trial very closely. I appreciate your posting Deb that keep me up on any I may have missed.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 26, 2012, 12:11:44 PM
Debbie thanks so much for posting the documentation of the trial in regard to the phone calls, and phone usage.  I find it so much more helpful when we know that is facts that are released from the courts as opposed to opinions.  I am watching this trial very closely. I appreciate your posting Deb that keep me up on any I may have missed.

YW eyes.  :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on April 26, 2012, 01:08:16 PM
Crown calls 61st witness as it prepares to wrap up case against Rafferty

By Allison Jones, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 12 minutes ago

LONDON, Ont. - The car belonging to the man accused of killing Victoria Stafford was a unique assortment of poorly done or oddly fashioned modifications, and it was those features that can be seen in surveillance video from the day the eight-year-old was abducted, court heard Thursday.

The Crown's case against Michael Rafferty wound down Thursday the same way it began, with a focus on video. Gerald Lanna, a forensic video analyst with Ontario Provincial Police, examined surveillance tapes that the Crown alleges help trace Rafferty's route on April 8, 2009.

It's alleged that he urged girlfriend Terri-Lynne McClintic to kidnap a young girl, she selected Tori, then they drove out of Woodstock, Ont., to Guelph, where they stopped to get cash and buy a hammer and garbage bags. From there they drove north to a rural area where Tori was sexually assaulted and killed, it's alleged.

Surveillance video captured the same car driving past Tori's elementary school at 9:04 a.m., 3:05 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. on April 8, and Lanna could find no differences to Rafferty's 2003 Honda Civic, which was eventually seized by police after his arrest.

Lanna was able to more positively identify Rafferty's car on surveillance video at a nearby Esso gas station at 3:20 p.m. that day.

The blotchy black paint job over most of the blue car, the whitewashed interior, the dark rims, the rear spoiler and the off-centre air intake on the hood of the car were several features that helped Lanna reach his conclusion.

"To me, I would have to say that that's our vehicle," Lanna testified.

Police went to Honda to ask about the "hood scoop" or air intake on the hood of Rafferty's car and discovered it was not a Honda option. The company said it would be "quite unusual" for a factory or dealer to install such a scoop because of its negative impact in crash tests, Lanna testified.

Most of the surveillance videos on which investigators pointed Lanna to a "vehicle of interest" were much grainier than the Esso surveillance video or the car was simply further away from the camera, making it harder for him to compare the unique identifying features on Rafferty's car, he said.

more at link below.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/crown-wrap-case-against-rafferty-today-last-witness-125402576.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/crown-wrap-case-against-rafferty-today-last-witness-125402576.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on April 26, 2012, 11:21:42 PM
Thanks Deb for the post and the link.  I would say the crown has established that He withdrew the money that was used to buy the hammer and the garbage bags.  If that doesn't say premeditated I don't know what does.  It appears he supplied the money to by the murder weapon and the garbage bags, imagine that garbage bags.  Makes me shudder that he associated the poor innocent baby with being something to put in a garbage bag.  He didn't even have the decency to perhaps by a blanket to cover her or some such thing but "trash Bag"  I sure am hoping he is convicted and gets the worst sentence they could give him.  Deb the pic they keep up on the news on city TV news where he shaved the sides of his hair for court, and the smug look on his face sicken me.  That man has no conscience. No heart .  No Soul.  JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on April 27, 2012, 08:29:53 AM
I too, cannot stand to see his picture.   I agree with you, eyeswideopen.   This murder was pre-meditated, like you said, he withdrew the money and stopped to buy a hammer and garbage bags.  Then, he (they) began his hunt.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on April 27, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
I wonder why Christie Blatchford refers to Terri-Lynne as simply "McClintic" but refers to dickhead as "Mr. Rafferty."  Intentional?

http://www.nationalpost.com/multimedia/video/index.html?embedCode=RwN2xqNDorMeKj2bzjdbWSgVYztlMDsX?embedCode=w1cmFlNDo0TppzlAmzxso6KlD3gCAJ-O

From Christie Blatchford:

LONDON, Ont. – For just a minute, there in the visitors lounge at the Genest Detention Centre on the evening of May 12, 2009, it looked as though Terri-Lynne McClintic and Michael Rafferty were slow dancing.

Their arms were wrapped around one another; their feet shuffled just a bit.

Thirty-four days before, though there has been quibbling over the details ever since, the two had presided at the
burial of the little girl named Victoria (Tori) Stafford.

So there they were, now dancing or almost dancing, on that child’s grave.

There Mr. Rafferty was, striking bodybuilder poses for her, though no admiration from another could ever match his own clear regard for himself. There McClintic was, feeling his mighty bicep. There he was, lifting her up in the air, first picking her up from behind, then from the front.  There he was, stroking her hair; there he was, rolling up the magazine he’d brought and talking to her through it as though it were a megaphone. Oh, what fun they had. They laughed and laughed.


Of all the shocking sights to which Ontario Superior Court Judge Thomas Heeney and the jurors have been treated here at Mr. Rafferty’s trial, nothing could top these video excerpts from the Genest centre that were played in court Wednesday. McClintic had been picked up on April 12 for breach of a community service order unrelated to the Tori disappearance and remanded to Genest.


Though she was questioned about the Tori case several times, she initially denied having any involvement. It was during this in-between period — when McClintic was in custody but not talking, Mr. Rafferty was free and not even on the police radar yet — that he visited her twice, attended one of her court appearances and was in regular contact with her and her mother Carol.


A week after the second visit, on May 19, McClintic, who is only now 21, first confessed to being the mystery woman in the white jacket who was caught on security video walking Tori away from her school, and first implicated Mr. Rafferty. On this day, they were both arrested and charged with first-degree murder in the little girl’s death.  Almost two years ago, McClintic pleaded guilty and was convicted. Earlier this year, she changed her story to claim that she was the one who actually killed Tori, not Mr. Rafferty.


Mr. Rafferty, now 31, is pleading not guilty to kidnapping, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder. But through his lawyer, Dirk Derstine, he has essentially admitted to being there when McClintic appeared with the little girl (he “thought nothing of it,” Mr. Derstine said), claimed to have refused her sexual gift and to have walked away from the car, as directed by McClintic, only to discover upon his return that Tori was dead (he was, Mr. Derstine said, “horrified”), and to having helped McClintic “clean up,” as Mr. Derstine put it in cross-examination. 


McClintic, for her part, testified here over six days. While she was revealed as a violent and deeply troubled young woman, she stuck to her claim that it was she who had killed the little girl, but also maintained Mr. Rafferty was the driving force of the kidnapping and that he did rape Tori. McClintic sobbed often in her testimony, describing herself as a victim of abuse whose years of childhood rage and pain had suddenly erupted in an unexpected burst of violence against Tori.  She even said she had been kind to the little girl (until, you know, she allegedly snapped and hammered her to death), and that the crime “was against everything that I believe in, everything that I stand for.  ”She seemed consumed with sorrow and regret, a veritable study in misery, and perhaps she was. Certainly, her guilty plea and her efforts to help police find the little girl’s body are recognized by the courts as genuine expressions of remorse.


But back then, on Mr. Rafferty’s two visits to see her at the Genest Centre — the first was on May 8 for about an hour, the second on May 12 for about 48 minutes — she didn’t appear stricken in the slightest, as he was the last thing from horrified. On that first visit — it was the month anniversary of Tori’s death and her body was still months away from being found under a rock pile in the countryside south of Mount Forest where the two had dumped her — they greeted each other with a big rocking hug. Each was carefully turned out, he in a golf-style shirt, white cargo pants and flip-flops, with a small soul patch, she in a dark shirt, checked capris and nice makeup. Mr. Rafferty stood before her a little as she took a chair; he was modelling for her, in that strangely jejune manner he had back then: If he were a woman, he would have twirled to make his skirt move.


Then he touched her hair and face; she playfully batted his arm away. Then they did some faux arm-wrestling. They held hands for a time. He patted her head (rather as one would a dog), and laughed. Then they hugged again, and he lifted her off the ground. She watched him leave from the windows in the lounge, a Genest staff member with her; McClintic was girlish and chatty and seemed pleased to have had such a handsome visitor.


The jurors heard much evidence on the prosecution’s second-last day — charts showing Mr. Rafferty’s compulsive texting and messaging to girlfriends; his sudden interest in auto wreckers after he was first questioned by police on May 15; maps showing where his maniacally busy BlackBerry was on April 8, pinging off cell towers on the very route McClintic had described for police almost to a T.


But nothing can touch, for sheer horror, the video of the two of them hugging and being playful and flirty as if to say, What little girl? Is there a little girl missing?


Postmedia News cblatchford@postmedia.com
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 28, 2012, 11:10:04 AM
Just reading that makes you wish they had the death penalty, evil, evil, evil people. It is hard to comprehend how cold anyone could be to act as they did. Horrible for the parents to have to see all this again and realize they were pretending to give attention to the family. :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 01, 2012, 04:53:27 AM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/203307--rafferty-trial-to-hear-from-defence-learn-if-he-ll-take-the-stand
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 01, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
The defence calls but one witness. Her identity is being with held. She brings into play all of the strange coincidence we spoke of earlier and the question of whether Tori was specifically targetted.

 
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The witness testified Tuesday that she believed the woman in a white coat who went into the school was the same woman she saw walking with Tori,
and that she was walking quickly with a "stern" look on her face.

"[She] seemed like she was on a mission," the woman testified. "The little girl that was with her was happy, skipping, talking a mile a minute...I assumed the person that she was talking to might have been her mother."

Crown attorney Michael Carnegie questioned the woman's memory of the events of that day at length under cross-examination, specifically her recollection of the woman going into the school versus the woman walking with Tori.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on May 01, 2012, 12:49:50 PM
A question for all---does anyone know if Rafferty is found guilty of 1st Degree murder and not guilty of abduction and sexual assault---and he appeals the conviction on 1st degree murder.....could he get off on that charge because TLM admitted it ?  and can the crown reapply the abduction and sexual assault charges again? (Canadian Law)  I'm afraid this is what is up the defence's sleeve and I don't want to see this perp back on the street to harm others ever again. Tori deserves justice.
Could someone send this off to WS site for me as well as I can't get on as a member? thanks :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 01, 2012, 01:04:57 PM
The defence did not go down this road for no reason and T.M, did not change her testimony for no reason either imo. That scenario which you describe joojoo is definitely what has to be watched for. As far as Canadian law and double jeopardy, there is some dispute but I don't believe it applies in Canada at least not in the same way as it does in the US. Although seldom done, we usually just need new evidence to back a new charge. In the Guy Paul Morin case in Ontario they did so even without new evidence  if I recall correctly. 

add- I know this isn't exactly what you are looking for but I'm not sure there are any set answers for that, its individual on a case by case basis as far as I can tell. This is a very strange and unusual case and maybe even a precedent setting example.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on May 01, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
Thanks D1 -- I am concerned that if Rafferty isn't convicted of the two lesser charges he could appeal and get off the 1st degree because of TLM admission to the murder ---and then he would walk---this disgusts me. I hope he is found guilty on all charges so this is less likely to happen. IMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 01, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
It won't be too much longer now.. I'm pretty sure the jury has seen enough to want to convict him. But as pointed out, there are some legal issues to work through.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 01, 2012, 04:39:54 PM
Don't worry, he's not walking anywhere. You can't abduct, rape and kill (or at very least be present while a child is killed), dispose of the body, and go free in Canada. We have to have faith that our legal system will work in this case.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on May 01, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
A great deal of premeditation in this crime and Rafferty might think he's going to get off with a lower crime conviction, but it won't work that way. Once he was party to the crime and he wanted Terri to abduct a child for his benefit, to rape and torture.  The jury is going to be focused on what he did and not trying to put "lipstick on a pig" kind of thing. He was the one who wanted the child and the two evil people worked together to torture and murder a child and they were successful in their day of horror.  And all the planning they did, it had to be a plan that was only in their minds for a short time. This was all done in broad daylight. They went into a store and it was in their area and bought the items they would eventually kill Tori with. There is monumental evidence against the two of them and I can't see anything  but FDM in the headlights for Rafferty. And he will be also convicted of rape, because McC testified. So it's all soon going to be wrapped up in a nice little package and the devils will both be paying for their horrific crimes against Tori. And there will be justice for Tori. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on May 01, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
It would seem to me that they would have to stop the trial and charge McC of perjury, for going through her trial and saying one thing and then suddenly changing toon in this one. Is this absurd to think she should have additional charges? Shouldn't her testimony and its authenticity be settled before anyone can sort out what his role is. given the circumstantial nature of most evidence so far? If she did have a greater role doesn't that warrant a greater sentence? And, possibly more criminal charges? To me it seems very important that her role be clearly defined and settled in order to judge whatever she says. For instance, if she says he raped Tori but most her testimony is different than what was placed in the front of her trial then can the jurors rule that her statement of him raping Tori as not being valid? Does the jury just pick and choose what they think is valid and discount others? 

I guess I struggle in wondering how the jury can take the testimony into consideration. I so want justice for Tori, but can McC make a mockery of her trial compared to this testimony? And, both get away with it?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on May 01, 2012, 07:47:50 PM

If I were a jury member (and I'm NOT)... I would be inclined to ignore TLM and everything she says.  There is not way to know the validity of anything that comes out of her mouth.  Besides, she was an 18-year old druggie - by her own accounts - she probably isn't likely able to tell the truth.

And so, removing her testimony and all the "and, ifs and whats"... it would be pretty darn hard for the jury to NOT find Rafferty guilty of the max. 

The hard evidence - the videos, the DNA, his cell phone tracking - what can he possibly deny?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 01, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
All very good but at the same time troubling posts. Good questions Concerned. In the soon to come closing arguments I think we are going to hear a lot more on that point. Using TM was a huge mistake for the prosecution right from the start too imo. The only defence witness's story is a strange thing to end with and rest your case on unless you plan to wind that new allegation in with the known facts to become a new version of fact that has a motive at least as believeable as TM's. Facts can be twisted and there is elbow room for that here. 

I don't like how the determination of truth in regard to McClintocks testimony has been left up to individual juror determinations. I don't like how she changed her testimony so dramatically or how long it took for her to disclose her confession. I wonder why she originally pled guilty to fdm herself while blaming it on Rafferty at the same time seeing as she was the star informant for the police. She should have been able to cut a deal for sdm using that under the circumstance she originally described if true. If her plea to fdm conviction and changed testimony aids Rafferty, my suspicions would hit new heights as I wait and watch for the second shoe to drop. I much prefer Mom's and Leonagleant's Cape etc's view. There seems to be so much here aside from all the complications that there has to be a conviction. But there are grounds to create doubt and all it takes is one hold out juror.  We will soon see.
 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on May 03, 2012, 07:51:55 PM
The defence's witness does not create reasonable doubt to the whole situation and crime.......if you want to believe TLM lied about the abduction---just maybe she is lying about who killed Tori too. The lady's testimony saying TLM had a stern face and "seemed to be on a mission" could very well mean she was on a mission to abduct a child for MR following his instructions. I think we will see that guilty verdict soon. :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on May 03, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
I am a little confused by what you are indicating Concerned? Are you saying that MC has testified somewhere else. She did not testify at her own hearing, because she pleaded guilty. Now if there was a statement she made, was that ruled admissable or was it not? Like they would have like a trial within a trial, vive voce evidence to let the statement be entered as evidence or that it be kept out. But if she testified, then they have to accept her testimony, because there was no other to compare it to.  If Rafferty's lawyer sums up and says to the jury, that MC is a liar and not to accept her testimony and all that, well it would put doubt in the jury's minds.  But in this case, I would believe Rafferty and MC committed this crime and there wouldn't be too much doubt in my mind, because of the prosecution's evidence. If the evidence was presented by the prosecution and they had their case right up to scratch, I believe we will see the verdict we're all hoping for. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on May 03, 2012, 10:34:51 PM
Good point Cape. I thought she had testified at her trial. I didn't realize that she did not. I thought she had testified at both and gave conflicting answers. I was thinking there was perjury? Or, hostile witness? Heck, I'm having an awful time accepting that an innocent girl died and two adults could have stopped it, and they didn't. It's beyond my humane capability to comprehend.  I sure hope you are right about the justice. I only wish we could have some how stopped it, and she could be in school tomorrow. It's so unacceptable.

Perjury -

Criminal law the offence committed by a witness in judicial proceedings who, having been lawfully sworn or having affirmed, wilfully gives false evidence

- deliberate or willful uttering of untruths when under oath in a court or similar tribunal.

- criminal offense of making false statements under oath

Source:  The free dictionary - www.thefreedictionary.com/perjury


Hostile witness -

A hostile witness is a witness who at some point after the person has been sworn in to give evidence in court, appears unwilling to tell the truth. Normally, the party that calls you as a witness does so in the belief that you will provide the court with evidence similar to the account you provided earlier in a pre-trial statement. If you do not give the evidence expected, very little can be done. If, however, you go further and start telling lies or refuse to answer questions, the party who called you can apply to the judge to have you declared a hostile witness. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/witnesses/hostile_witness.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 04, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
I think that basically we can cross out. Mcc's entire testimony as the judge told the jury it's up to them to decide weather she was credible, if I was on the jury I would not deem her credible as she not only contradicted her original police statement but also contradicted what she was saying in court at this trial. That being said I would be amazed if the sexual assault charge could possibly go through. The murder I think will I hope for murder one but I think more like two or manslaughter seeing as she took the wrap, but the logical thing is to charge him with the murder as he could have stopped it at any point.

I hate them both and have kept extra watch on my own son more since this trial has been in the media, we live relatively close to woodstock and that kills me, even though I know they have caught the guilty parties. I live in fear lately and hope for a decent conviction. It could happen anywhere.

I look forward to the verdict do you guys think the deliberations will last in to the following week or will they be decided by Friday may 11 th?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 04, 2012, 10:35:13 PM
I have to agree with Mallory about Mclintic. She can't be relied upon for anything. Nothing! IMO. She has motive to obstruct, "love " or whatever you call that. None of what she says, not the spin offs attached, nor arguments derived, nothing from her first signed statement to her last has any value. Legally she is dead to the case and rife for the makings of an appeal if used. MR and TM are are one of the same as far as I am concerned. 

Logically and legally, MR did himself in when he was seen on camera walking across to the bank machine to withdraw money that was used by TM to buy the claw hammer. Aha, he didn't even trust McClintic with his bank card pin # and as a result involved and put himself right square in the gunsights along side her. He gave her the money to buy the murder weapon. His cell phone records place him right there in the same area. He knew Tori had been abducted. His vehicle was spotted and is on camera in several locations. He was the driver and had a duty of care from that point on. He was the stronger of the pair, McClintic did not have a gun pointed at him. He can walk away, close his eyes, bury his head in the sand, do whatever he wants after that point but it makes no difference. Guilty of fdm .. IMO... but it may take awhile to boil everything down for every member of the jury. I hope there won't be some legalistic hold out that wears the rest of them down into accepting less. jmo.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2012, 10:35:09 AM
rafferty seems happy today, maybe because his mother showed up for closing arguments...........
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
Here's a pic of rafferty's mother talking to the media during lunch break...................she say's her son is innocent.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2012, 12:28:11 PM
NECRO, the rap artist, McClintic listened to, has his say on the matter.

 http://www.hiphopcanada.com/2012/03/dutchyscorner-rapper-necro-issues-statement-about-tori-stafford-murder-trial-connection-blog/
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 07, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/videos/204383


Does any Mother want to admit her son could have committed such a horrific crime?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 07, 2012, 01:23:29 PM
You have to feel for the mother of the monsters too. They are still mothers, frankly who knows what we would do in her boots? I feel I will always stick by my sons and believe them unless the courts prove otherwise. Also I feel the defense has made many valid points today.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 07, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
To my way of thinking, the mother jumped in at the last moment. She was there a couple of times before but not spotted because she kept a low profile. If she truly believed her son innocent, in every way, she would have been there from day one, front and centre in support of her son. As most loving mother's do.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 07, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
I don't think I can say if I would have gone every day considering not wanting to hear the details if I didn't believe them also out of respect for the victims parents... I don't think you can say every good mother would, she appears to be a decent mother - I won't pass judgement on her for that since I am not her so have no idea her reasons. She looks very exhausted and stressed.... I can't imagine attending this trial would have helped that.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 08, 2012, 12:31:56 PM
I saw Rodney on the National news in an interview last night. He is still questioning some of the points brought up by MR defence. The main one, was Tori targetted, her specifically not just any girl? MR defence goes on from there to say she was and that TM was behind it all, some sort of drug retaliation thing to which MR was an innocent dupe.

We had discussed that same thing along time ago ourselves without any consensus. Motive for MR would likely be sexual, for TM likely something else akin to what the defence is alleging. Or so it might seem. I suspect a combination which accounts for all of the coincidence noticed in circumstance from the day. Someone knew of Tori's situation that day and timed and played it accordingly.... M.R....may still be doing so in conjunction with TM. It is an important point raised by MR only defence witness. TM changed her story appearing to be taking most of the blame but refuses to acknowledge or accept this part, going into the school to get Tori. Why not admit that too if true?

None the less, as everyone has stated, still doesn't make MR innocent, just muddies the water in between.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 08, 2012, 01:51:08 PM
The Crown did a rebuttle on the Defense witness of McClintic entering the school...............as in; no one else saw McClintic inside the school.

Thank heavens the Crown did their homework, and bringing up main points in rebuttal of the Defence. Looking good!!! :)

rafferty is animated today, rolling his eyes, shaking his head no and mouthing the words, "everyone was given one of those" when the Crown reiterated finding missing posters inside rafferty and McClintic's homes.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 08, 2012, 02:40:08 PM
Looking good, good! Interesting that MR defence witness is the only one who stepped forward or saw anything to place TM in the school. And... that this witness is the only one who's name was with held from the jury and which also seems to be under a publication ban.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 08, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
The only witness for the Defense is a Grandmother and asked for her name to be withheld for a reason. The Crown asked if she was a 'willing' witness for the defense, and she said 'no, not really. She did not want to be a witness for the defense.

rafferty was also frustrated today. When the Crown started talking about McClintic taking  out parts of the back seat stuffing when rafferty told her to.... rafferty said, 'whatever."

To my way of thinking rafferty could have had his say if he had taken the stand, he choose not to.... so I say,'shut the flock up rafferty.'

Speaking of which, when the Police pulled him in for questioning and asked him where he was on April 8th, he said here and there, and he wasn't with McClintic that day. And he didn't know her last name. And that he occasionally picked her up to give her a ride somewhere. And they were not girlfriend and boyfriend just casual acquaintances. And he was her only 'friend' who did not do drugs. Okay when y'all stop howling with laughter you can throw up.

(I'm modifying this for a spelling error)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 08, 2012, 07:11:10 PM
Tori Stafford trial: Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynne McClintic were partners in crime, Crown says
Published 33 minutes ago

WARNING: This article contains graphic detail


LONDON, ONT.—There were no histrionics in the Crown’s closing arguments in the Tori Stafford murder trial. Just one message: Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynne McClintic were in it together. Together, they abducted the little girl, together they killed her, together they cleaned up.

The two of them together.

“Don’t let anyone fool you into thinking they weren’t together,” said Crown Kevin Gowdey on Tuesday, adding that McClintic was Rafferty’s “violent pawn.”

He also said it doesn’t matter who wielded the hammer that killed Tori.

Gowdey retraced Rafferty and McClintic’s steps from the afternoon of Tori’s abduction in Woodstock to Mount Forest where she was beaten and killed. Patiently and precisely, he walked the 12 jurors through the avalanche of evidence they saw in the past 10 weeks of the trial — surveillance video, forensic and witness statements — reminding them of pertinent details, arguing why Rafferty was guilty in Tori’s abduction, rape and murder.

more at the link below.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1174896--tori-stafford-trial-crown-tells-jury-michael-rafferty-was-mastermind-behind-the-murder?bn=1 (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1174896--tori-stafford-trial-crown-tells-jury-michael-rafferty-was-mastermind-behind-the-murder?bn=1)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 08, 2012, 07:22:18 PM
Tori Stafford trial: Rafferty defence ends with one witness


WARNING: This article contains graphic detail.

LONDON, ONT.— In the end, after days of speculation, Michael Rafferty did not testify and his defence opened and closed with just one witness and her testimony — a grandmother who saw Terri-Lynne McClintic go inside Tori Stafford’s school the day the little girl disappeared.

It was the first time evidence was presented suggesting McClintic went inside the school and that she may have targetted Tori.

The lone defence witness, a silver-haired, 60-year-old grandmother who cannot be named, said she was at Oliver Stephens Public School on the afternoon of April 8, 2009, to pick up her two grandchildren.

She had parked her van close to the front door of the school and, sometime after 3:18 p.m., saw a woman in a white jacket with long dark hair go inside the school. The witness did not see the woman leave the school but saw her again a little north of the school as she was driving home with her grandkids.

The grandmother told the jury that the young woman in the white jacket was stern-faced, looked straight ahead and walked quickly, as if on a mission.

The little girl, she said, was skipping happily along and chattering.

McClintic and Rafferty, then a couple, were arrested and charged a month after Tori’s abduction. The little girl’s remains were found near Mount Forest in July. McClintic pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in April 2010.

Rafferty’s trial started on March 5.

The grandmother told the jury she assumed the dark-haired woman was the little girl’s mother but said she had never seen her before. She told Dirk Derstine, Rafferty’s lawyer, that she particularly noticed the white jacket because it was a warm day and it was unusual for someone to be wearing a puffy jacket.

McClintic has admitted to being the woman in the white jacket who lured Tori that day but has always maintained it was a random abduction and she never entered the school.

In her testimony in March, she told the story of a drug-addicted couple who randomly picked up a young girl from school that day and used her for the man's sexual pleasure before McClintic killed her brutally. McClintic asserted again and again that Rafferty, then her boyfriend, had urged her to abduct a young girl and that she chose Tori because she was alone outside that day.

But Derstine accused her of abducting and murdering Tori to settle a drug debt. He suggested to McClintic that she even “offered” the little girl sexually to Rafferty, who declined. She then killed Tori while Rafferty was just a shocked bystander, Derstine contended.

McClintic maintained there was no drug debt and that she didn’t know Tori even though she had met Tara McDonald briefly when McDonald bought OxyContin from McClintic’s mother twice.

During cross-examination of the defence’s only witness, Crown attorney Michael Carnegie indicated that she had been vague in two statements she gave to police in the days after Tori’s disappearance. He questioned her memory from that day.

But the grandmother, who admitted she was not happy to be testifying for the defence, stuck to her testimony that it was the same woman she saw enter the school who was with Tori soon after.

The defence will present closing arguments on Friday. The Crown will make its statement Monday, and the judge will give his instructions to the jury on Tuesday.

The Crown wrapped up its case last Thursday after eight gruelling weeks. McClintic’s testimony formed the foundation of the Crown’s case against Rafferty, though McClintic drastically changed her statement on Jan. 13, 2012, saying that it was she, not Rafferty, who wielded the hammer that killed the little girl. But she steadfast maintained the rest of what she had said previously was accurate: that she lured Tori because Rafferty told her to, and that they went to a secluded spot near Mount Forest where he raped her twice.

Since March 5, the Crown has meticulously lined up evidence, including some forensics, against Rafferty. Crown Kevin Gowdey suggested in his opening address to the jury that this was a crime committed in tandem by McClintic and Rafferty, and that who specifically did what to the child was irrelevant.

The jury heard from 61 witnesses and saw 186 exhibits from the Crown`s side.

For eight weeks under trial, Rafferty has remained calm. He has chewed loudly on ice, scowled as McClintic testified, looked on with longing at a former girlfriend.

No one from his family has shown up during the trial.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1170905--tori-stafford-trial-defence-to-reveal-whether-michael-rafferty-will-testify (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1170905--tori-stafford-trial-defence-to-reveal-whether-michael-rafferty-will-testify)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 08, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
For some reason, I believe the grandmother. She had no reason to lie about anything and just told the truth as she saw it no matter what the complications or consequences. Her times were precise and there were two seperate sightings. IMO that is an excellent witness doing a proper job of fulfilling her duties, to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth no matter what. The rest is up to the jury. 

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But the grandmother, who admitted she was not happy to be testifying for the defence, stuck to her testimony that it was the same woman she saw enter the school who was with Tori soon after.

Last night on the National News coverage of the story, Tori's dad for the second time in recent days has reiterated that he wished MR would take the stand and say something becuse he had been questioning it himself for a long time whether Tori had been targetted and why. Nothing really answered that for him, but as the Crown says, both are just as guilty anyway no matter what each claims as motive.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 09, 2012, 12:42:57 AM
I'm wondering why rafferty never has said that it was McClintic who killed little Tori?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on May 09, 2012, 05:17:25 AM

Because then HE would have to say it - on the witness stand.  He is a coward.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 09, 2012, 08:46:20 AM
Crown set to finish closing arguments today against Michael Rafferty

By The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 6 hours

LONDON, Ont. - The Crown is expected to wrap up its closing arguments today at the trial of a man accused of killing eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.

Michael Rafferty, 31, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping in Tori's death.

Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey told the jury Tuesday that Rafferty used Terri-Lynne McClintic as a "violent pawn" to help him carry out his "evil intentions."

The defence has suggested that Rafferty's girlfriend McClintic, who has a very violent past, was the one who planned the whole thing and that Rafferty had no idea the little girl would be killed.

But Gowdey says Rafferty was the one in control of the events of April 8, 2009, and that the pair worked together to bring about Tori's death.

Gowdey told the jury there are several ways a person can be found guilty of first-degree murder, including killing someone in the course of a kidnapping or helping someone else commit a murder.

McClintic, who is already serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to first-degree murder, testified that Rafferty urged her to kidnap a young girl for him, that he raped the girl, and that pent-up rage from her own childhood traumas caused McClintic to snap and murder Tori.

That testimony marked a change from what she told police for years - that Rafferty was the one who killed Tori with a hammer.

It doesn't matter whether the jury thinks McClintic physically killed Tori or if Rafferty did it, Gowdey said. If they acted together, that is enough to convict Rafferty.

Rafferty muttered to himself, shook his head and rolled his eyes several times while listening to Gowdey's closing address, mostly when Gowdey discussed the rape allegation.

After the killing, Rafferty took deliberate steps to cover his tracks and lied to police, Gowdey said. When Rafferty was first interviewed by police on May 15 after his name came up as an associate of McClintic's, he told them he barely knew her.

He attempted to throw police off his trail by repeating rumours about Tori's mother, though he could have just as easily said a "raging homicidal maniac" is responsible and pointed police to Tori's body, Gowdey said.

One of Rafferty's most telling actions after April 8 was buying hair dye for McClintic once surveillance video was released showing her leading Tori away from school, Gowdey said.

"Why would a horrified witness who was an innocent dupe of Ms. McClintic take the steps to make the real killer change her appearance?" he said.

After the Crown finishes its closing remarks, the judge will give the jury what are expected to be lengthy final instructions before they begin to deliberate.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/crown-set-finish-closing-arguments-today-against-michael-080008073.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/crown-set-finish-closing-arguments-today-against-michael-080008073.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 09, 2012, 09:24:48 AM
Thanks for posting the article Debbie.
So far no one has asked Rafferty why he didn't disclose the location of Tori after she was murdered. If he was so innocent as he claims, he should have done that, as he was there with McClintic.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 09, 2012, 10:06:48 AM
It seems a pretty thin defence in contrast to all of what the Crown has laid out against him. I have been quite impressed with Tori's family, Rodney Tori's dad especially, watching everthing wanting to know the truth of the matter, not leaving anything to chance that they don't have all the right people, and trying to read between all the lies and fabrications. In the end I don't believe that either TM or MR have completely told the truth about everything they knew or did.
Now for the instructions-

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After the Crown finishes its closing remarks, the judge will give the jury what are expected to be lengthy final instructions before they begin to deliberate.

How to treat McLintic's testimony etc..; legally, there could be a few minor sticking points that complicate what otherwise looks like it should be a done deal.
I would go along with the Crown's request and treat them both the same, each as guilty as the other. One has already plead to fdm, time for the partner to get the same. mo
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 09, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
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I would go along with the Crown's request and treat them both the same, each as guilty as the other. One has already plead to fdm, time for the partner to get the same. mo

I totally agree D1. They were both involved from beginning to end. Both guilty of first degree murder.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 09, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Crown hammering in the final nails in the coffin!  :)

Rodney Stafford has not returned to court today after he left yesterday.

rafferty is in a foul mood. Shaking his head no when Crown once again shows interrogation video of McClintic describing rape, but he does shift uncomfortably.  He's doing a lot of muttering also.

The question remains....who popped the trunk so that McClintic could get the hammer and garbage bags?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 09, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
"He attempted to throw police off his trail by repeating rumours about Tori's mother, though he could have just as easily said a "raging homicidal maniac" is responsible and pointed police to Tori's body, Gowdey said."

This quote from the above Canadian press article is difficult to follow and strange that a reporter would include a sentence which is not as clear as it should be.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 09, 2012, 01:52:46 PM
Crown has finished. Justice Heeney will begin his instructions tomorrow at 9:30, he says will be long and boring but there is a lot of legal issues.

Please don't screw up now Judge after all the Crown's and Police hard work.

As a point of interest, when Crown brought up rafferty and Mclintic shopping for engagement rings. rafferty violently shook his head no, and said, "I would never marry her!" Crown also brought up the age difference. rafferty 28 and McClintic 18 and mentioned that she did state on the stand that she was an easy person to manipulate.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 09, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
He did "almost" fool a lot of older females from the dating sites; it took them several dates to get to know him, so an 18 yo for his was ripe for the picking, very impressionable at that age yet.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 09, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
Everything I've read about Rafferty leads me to believe he is the worse sort of person, a master manipulator and compulsive liar. Remarkable how the human race keeps consistently creating such men to prey upon the rest of us. We need way more awareness raising that a small percentage of men are exceedingly dangerous. I don't think people are aware of the risks they take on internet dating sites and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 09, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
leona it seems to me that it is almost getting to be that a small amount of woman are just as dangerous as the guys now.  Even on the dating sites, you are constantly reading about men being set up there by the woman and robbed and beaten as well.  It is a sick world we live in now it seems.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 09, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
That may be true but the only person I know who was murdered due to internet dating in Canada (so far!) was a man killed by a man (pretending to be a woman) in Edmonton. Even if the women who dated Rafferty were not physically harmed by him, I am sure it is traumatic to think they were dating a child murderer. I would be curious to know how that experience has changed their internet dating habits if at all. We live in a big country and need to be careful of the anonymous strangers that we meet and look out for eachother as much as possible.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 10, 2012, 09:32:07 AM
Tori Stafford jury urged by judge to 'rise above' emotion
CBC – 41 minutes ago


The judge in the trial of Michael Rafferty, who is accused of raping and killing eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford, is giving his final instructions to a London, Ont., jury today before the start of deliberations, telling them they must base their decision on facts and not emotion.

Rafferty, 31, has been charged with first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping. He has pleaded not guilty. A conviction on the first-degree murder charge would carry a life sentence in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.

"Deciding the facts is your job, not mine," Justice Thomas Heeney said.

To do that, Heeney said, jurors must disregard any feelings they may have towards Tori, including any emotional reaction to gruesome autopsy photos of the girl's remains that shown in court earlier in the trial.

Tori disappeared on her way home from Oliver Stephens Public School in Woodstock, Ont., on the afternoon of April 8, 2009. Her partially clothed remains were found more than three months later.

"It is your duty to rise above emotional consideration and dispassionately decide this case based solely on the evidence and the law as I describe it to you," Heeney said.

The judge also urged jurors to disregard any information they may have gleaned from media reports.

Court began at 9:30 a.m. ET, a half-hour earlier than usual.

Justice Heeney said the extra time would increase the chances he could finish his charge in a single day, explaining it would be quite long.

The judge said he would provide the 12 jurors with an understanding of the relevant legal concepts before they begin deliberations.

Over the last 10 weeks, jurors have heard from 62 witnesses and seen nearly 200 exhibits.

Closing arguments began on Tuesday with defence lawyer Dirk Derstine attacking the credibility of the Crown’s key witness, Terri-Lynne McClintic. The 21-year-old is serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori two years ago.

In March, McClintic testified she lured Tori to Rafferty's car on his orders. The pair then drove the girl to Guelph and later to Mount Forest, 100 kilometres north of Woodstock, where, according to McClintic, Rafferty raped the young girl.

The sexual assault sent McClintic into a rage and she killed Tori by hitting her head with a hammer, she said. However, McClintic had maintained up until January of this year that it was Rafferty who killed the girl.

Derstine called her an “accomplished” liar, saying McClintic was the engine behind Tori’s death and Rafferty was a horrified onlooker to her crime.

Over the course of the last two days, however, the Crown used its closing arguments to portray Rafferty as the mastermind behind the abduction, saying that both he and McClintic are responsible for Tori’s death.

On Wednesday, prosecutor Kevin Gowdey told jurors it does not matter who held the hammer because both took part in the plan to abduct and kill Tori.

Heeney warned jurors earlier this week that closing arguments should not be taken as evidence.

Rafferty’s trial began on March 5.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/tori-stafford-jury-hear-judge-deliberations-085906114.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/tori-stafford-jury-hear-judge-deliberations-085906114.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 10, 2012, 03:01:26 PM
Judge Heaney has sent the jury in to deliberate, he is first consulting with lawyers to make sure they have no problems with his charge. He will notify jury via letter when they can begins deliberations.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 10, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
Here's the 57 min and 40 sec police interview with rafferty. Watch his body language, especially when the Police bring McClintic into the same room.

http://www.lfpress.com/video/rafferty-police-interview-(edited)/1632660129001

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 10, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
And of course what could not be entered into court because of no search warrant for rafferty's laptop. Searches from Jan. 25, 2009, and April 7, 2009 of child porn dealing with children under the age of 10.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/10/tori-stafford-rafferty-jury.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 10, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Due to the Police not getting a search warrant for rafferty's laptop and BB, what was on them was not allowed to be used in court. Which was, real rape of children, snuff films, abduction film of a young blond child, etc. Also the drugged rape of one of the online women. Interesting reading.....I wonder what his loving mama thinks of all of this, and still thinks her son is innocent?

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/what-jury-doesnt-know-about-michael-rafferty
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 10, 2012, 08:30:51 PM
I just watched and read these slueth! I am horrified at our country to allow that untouchable for the crown! He should be charged for everything and the child porn. I love watching Jim smythe attack him with words! I hope he rots in hell forever!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 10, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
I hear ya malloryknox.  rafferty was affronted when Smythe likened him to Bernardo. But kept pretty quiet when Smythe called him evil. I especially liked the part where Smyth said he was looking at a psychopath.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on May 11, 2012, 12:26:07 AM
After reading and seeing the links today I hope R goes away for life and is labelled as a dangerous offender---he has no remorse except that he was caught.  I do wonder why character is not allowed to be entered in court if it goes inline with the crime committed---does not make sense and gives the perps a by in court. JMO
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 07:06:29 AM
Disgusted! Horrified, I was so hoping no sexual assault occurred. I was hoping that little girl did not have to endure that I have never wanted a guilty verdict more in my life. An 8 year old little girl! How can that guy live with himself, wish his suicide attempt worked hope he tries again.

And Terri Lynne lied obviously she thought saying she was the murderer would get her out of testifying and made her look hard or something. I feel like her police statement was more worthy then her stand performance!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: joojoo on May 11, 2012, 08:33:37 AM
Due to the Police not getting a search warrant for rafferty's laptop and BB, what was on them was not allowed to be used in court. Which was, real rape of children, snuff films, abduction film of a young blond child, etc. Also the drugged rape of one of the online women. Interesting reading.....I wonder what his loving mama thinks of all of this, and still thinks her son is innocent?

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/what-jury-doesnt-know-about-michael-rafferty

Why do the police need a search warrant for his laptop when it was seized from his car which they had a search warrant for....and if the info on the laptop directly was inline with the crime?? It is no different than the police having a search warrant for a car-find a briefcase full of child porn pictures inside ...and for this they don't need a separate warrant to search the briefcase.  JMO and wondering why???
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 11, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
This article is fairly long, but informative. It can be read in it's entirety at the link.


McClintic's abrupt about-face testimony posed conundrum for Crown
By Allison Jones, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 2 hours 6 minutes ago

WARNING: Graphic details from this court case may disturb some readers.

On the witness stand, McClintic told a disturbing tale of how — egged on by Rafferty — she kidnapped Victoria Stafford outside her school in Woodstock, Ont., before driving to a secluded rural spot where Rafferty raped the eight-year-old girl.

That was all true, the Crown asserted. Many of the details in her story were independently verified. But when it came down to declaring who was responsible for inflicting the blows that killed Tori, that was a different matter.

At first McClintic said it was Rafferty. Now she says it was her. But there are several differences in the two versions of events — some significant, others less so — which led the judge to conclude it's much more likely her original story is the truth.

In determining how to present that to the jury, the lawyers took several days to argue various legal motions without the jury present. The many iterations of McClintic's version of the events of April 8, 2009, were put on display.

When she was interviewed by police on April 12, McClintic said she had been in the area of Tori's school that day, but was not the woman in a white coat who was seen on surveillance video walking away with the little girl. A month later, she said the same thing.

But on May 19 — after taking a lie detector test she believes she failed, but didn't — McClintic's original version of events began to take shape. She admitted to being the woman in the surveillance video, but was vague about the killing. She walked away from Rafferty's car during the rape, she said, and when she came back, Tori was gone.

more at the link below.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/mcclintics-abrupt-face-testimony-posed-conundrum-crown-080011887.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 10:21:29 AM
Jury wanted to re watch the police interview with TL MC in may 2009 they are going the right direction FDM!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 11, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
McClintic's changed testimony was quite something for everyone to have to deal with. It has been dumped onto the jury now. I haven't heard if there was anything startling or overly prohibitive in the judges instructions but if the jury has enough free rein seems there is sufficient evidence minus anything to do with McClintic. In essence, its up to the jury to parse it all up and decide which lies from whom to believe or not. IMO. Rodney was confident and encouraged that the Crown had laid out a strong case.

I believe there was even more to this than we know. I believe it was Rafferty who saw and knew more about Tori and her family than he let on. Was not Tara on tons of fish or whatever that dating site was? Was not Rafferty scouting all the single mothers from that site? I think it was Rafferty who targetted Tori and that she was specifically lured using what Rafferty knew about her situation. He staged the whole thing around that IMO. He sent McClintic into the school saying to Tori she was send to get her by Tara, who was at a drug meet, quite likely known by them, (Rafferty /McClintic) who also knew Tori would be left all alone to make her own way back home her first day living at her new place. Rafferty knows it was true that McClintic went into the school to get Tori, hence his defence and the only witness called by his defence. He had hoped that coupled with McClintics changed testimony would be enough to provide a substitute motive, targetted for Tara's drug debt and sidetrack the jury. Tori was the prettiest looking little thing around and in a pedo's mind, a veritable dreamgirl. The events of this particular day and this particular circumstance became the opportunity to initiate the strike and was premeditated. imo.. All the loose ends are coming together and being tied up, all of the earlier unexplained "coincidence" has a meaning.  It is all making sense to me in my own mind now anyway. Go get him jury! it is FDM!!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
I have put my faith in to them! It would be so great if they could tie this up today!! Hoping for an early result:) rest in peace little Tori you are safe with Jesus now and forever baby girl!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on May 11, 2012, 02:11:24 PM

Sorry D1... I must respectively disagree with you.

Tori was dismissed from class, along with all the other students, but she remembered she'd forgot her mother's precious butterfly earrings in her desk - she returned to her classroom to get them.  This fluke event made her 3 minutes late in getting out to the playground and off school property.  TMc even testified that the only reason she honed in on Tori was because she was alone. 

Predators always go after:  the young / the weak / the old / the ailing / the one alone....

I think it's a mere coincidence that Tori's mother had met Terrie's mother - it's a small town, drug users and drug dealers are bound to meet at some point.  I don't see that their interaction has anything to do with the abduction.  TMc wouldn't have known who Tori was.

Besides... the cops have video evidence of MR circling the elementary school 3 times earlier that fateful day (like a predator) he was likely checking out where to hide, where to strike and how to exit (the ambush).
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 11, 2012, 02:25:41 PM
No prob mom, we all like to reconcile things in our own minds in a way that makes sense to ourselves. I would further my own preposition with saying that i don't believe anything that TM has said as well as add that the only reason she went into the school was because Tori had not yet come out. All the rest of the kids had already left and they are hunting for a child. TM went into the school and Tori is the only one left behind? hmmm.

nontheless, it seems they have all the right people at least in most peoples minds and motive or unexplained detail is of lesser importance now.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 11, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
The sequestered jury has entered court to see again the 1st video of MClintic's interview with Smyth. And then again to ask a couple of questions. The Judge sent the jury back in to re-frame their question in writing while the Crown and defense help supply  an answer. Which is making speculation run rampant. For me it looks like the jury is leaning toward guilty on the sexual offense.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/stafford-jury-asks-to-re-watch-video-of-mcclintic-interrogation/article2429635/?service=mobile
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 11, 2012, 03:47:55 PM
From above link:

Quote
In closing arguments, prosecutors proffered the fact Tori was found naked from the waist down as evidence of a sexual assault.
Mr. Justice Thomas Heeney asked the jury to clarify the question, as it did not specify what, if anything, the second person was doing when the clothes were removed. The jury returned with a different question: If a child's clothing is removed while the child is unlawfully confined, would that constitute sexual assault?
Yes, the judge told them.

The jury will continue deliberations Friday as the little girl’s family, supporters and other curious spectators remain nearby, awaiting their verdict.
The jury will sit until 9 p.m. If they haven't reached a verdict by then, they will continue deliberating Saturday at 9 a.m.



Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 11, 2012, 04:15:01 PM
Here is the live blog link on the jury delibrations by City tv

http://live.citynews.ca/Event/Francis_DSouza_and_Cynthia_Mulligan_are_live_in_London_Ont
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 11, 2012, 05:33:19 PM
Jury is back asking the 4th question for clarification of what elements constitute sexual assault causing bodily harm? Man would I love to be a fly on the wall!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 05:51:38 PM
They are going to find him guilty! I'm hugely pregnant but doing a happy dance none the less! Canadian justice may just prevail! And we can all sleep better if he's found guilty!


Still regularly checking twitter for updates... They are back tomorrow and Sunday 9 till 9 if we get past tomorrow I think this is maybe the last charge being discussed! Then again it could be first.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 11, 2012, 06:00:23 PM
Quote
They are going to find him guilty! I'm hugely pregnant but doing a happy dance none the less! Canadian justice may just prevail! And we can all sleep better if he's found guilty!


We'll all be happy and relieved if he is found guilty. In the mean time mallory, take care!  :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 06:16:16 PM
Thanks DebbieC you take care too:)

 I have asked am 980 news if raffertys mom is there again today very curious as to if she will be around now since the media released his google searches and child porn collection.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
Jury is going past 9 verdict may be close!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 11, 2012, 07:04:04 PM
The link I posted above, keeps updating on what is happening with the jury if any one wants to check it out
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
Thank you eyes! Verdict in!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 11, 2012, 07:33:37 PM
Verdict reached in Tori Stafford murder trial

WARNING: This story contains disturbing details

The jury has reached a verdict in the trial of Michael Rafferty, who is accused in the abduction and killing of Victoria (Tori) Stafford, the Woodstock, Ont., girl who went missing on April 8, 2009, on her way home from school.

Jurors have returned to the London, Ont., courtroom.

The jurors began deliberations Thursday evening and resumed Friday morning.

more at the link below.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/05/11/tori-stafford-rafferty-verdict.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/05/11/tori-stafford-rafferty-verdict.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on May 11, 2012, 07:36:39 PM
GUILTY - Kidnapping
GUILTY - Sexual abuse causing bodily harm
GUILTY - First Degree Murder... automatic incarceration 25 years (minimum), no chance of parole for 25 years.

Rest in Peace Tori.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 11, 2012, 07:38:35 PM
Thank you Jury!!!!! A job well done!!!  :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 11, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Praise the LoRd! Great job jury and crown! So happy for tori and her family tonight!!

Rest in peace Canada's angel....

:)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 11, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/205260--michael-rafferty-found-guilty-of-first-degree-murder

Thanks you Jury.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 11, 2012, 08:14:05 PM
Ditto,
Quote
Rest in Peace Tori.[/quote]

A very memorable investigation and trial for one very memorable little girl. I wish the same for many more kids still waiting to be found. We know it can be done now!!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 11, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
RIP Tori. Justice has been served for you this day.

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on May 11, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
We also know justice is on the right side. So, so, so many people got this one right. Builds faith that society can and will make a better place to live. Congratulations to so many that worked on making this verdict happen. Lots of long hours, talent and... they had to see and hear the unspeakable details this little girl lived. I have to believe, Tori, the Heavens are holding on to you now. So, so sorry, baby girl. Life should have been a lot different. Prayers to the family for healing now; what a long, long road you've had to travel.

Ditto,
Quote
Rest in Peace Tori.[/quote]

A very memorable investigation and trial for one very memorable little girl. I wish the same for many more kids still waiting to be found . We know it can be done now!!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 11, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Thank you, jury and crown! Job well done. One less psychopath on the streets.

RIP little angel, Tori.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on May 11, 2012, 09:05:00 PM
Mom, your explanation raised a question. If McC was randomly looking for a "young" girl, you would think she would have found her while the masses were out of school. Just the thought that she even waited around until the yard was cleared, to enter the school and find Tori, makes me wonder even more if Tori was really targeted. If wanting to take a random child, why would a perp even think of going into a school and chance being seen by a teacher, parent, custodian, school officials or (in today's day and age) seen on camera. It would have been less conspicuous to go after a child lagging slightly after the crowds, near the car, etc... but instead she went into the school and came out with Tori. She has way more chance of being identified by walking one of the last girls strangling behind.   Also, the fact that they knew of so many of the young girls... from the area... and their circumstances makes me think Tori could have been the intended target.


Sorry D1... I must respectively disagree with you.

Tori was dismissed from class, along with all the other students, but she remembered she'd forgot her mother's precious butterfly earrings in her desk - she returned to her classroom to get them.  This fluke event made her 3 minutes late in getting out to the playground and off school property.  TMc even testified that the only reason she honed in on Tori was because she was alone. 

Predators always go after:  the young / the weak / the old / the ailing / the one alone....

I think it's a mere coincidence that Tori's mother had met Terrie's mother - it's a small town, drug users and drug dealers are bound to meet at some point.  I don't see that their interaction has anything to do with the abduction.  TMc wouldn't have known who Tori was.

Besides... the cops have video evidence of MR circling the elementary school 3 times earlier that fateful day (like a predator) he was likely checking out where to hide, where to strike and how to exit (the ambush).
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Mom on May 11, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

It is my understanding that Terrie DID target and snag Tori because she was lagging behind the others.  As witnessed by her teacher.

Of course, we don't know what we can believe from TLM.

The statement from the one defence witness is just as muddy.  Doesn't make sense to ME that the perp would enter the school.  BUT, I am not a criminal... I don't know how they think.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 11, 2012, 09:17:58 PM

YES!!! Justice for Tori.

RIP Torie.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: eyeswideopen on May 11, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
Amen justice is served for Tori, thanks to the Jury and the police team.  Thank God it is over the trial, so hard on the family.  My prayer is that they release him into the jail population and not keep him in protective custody, for true justice to be served.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on May 11, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
Glad with the way this trial turned out. Glad the family can close this chapter on their lives.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 12, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
Here's a well written insightful article on who rafferty is......

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/careless-mistakes-were-raffertys-undoing/article2430649/?service=mobile
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 12, 2012, 12:43:28 AM
Below are pictures of the trial for anyone who cares to view. I'm not sure if this covers the entire trial. There are 67 pictures in the gallery so I did not look at all of them. Many of the ones I did view are from after the guilty verdict was delivered.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/victoria-stafford-murder-trial-slideshow/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252Fvictoria-stafford-murder-trial-slideshow%252Fdirk-derstine-laura-giordano-lawyers-michael-rafferty-speak-photo-031519241.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 12, 2012, 02:22:56 AM
Aside from a slim chance of an appeal and a slimmer chance of success, this is over for most. We come to a crossroads of sorts about here when all the pieces we are ever going to get have been freshly laid out on the table for all to see. As many of those pieces as possible have to fit into the final puzzle well enough for us to see the big picture. The clearer the picture, the greater the odds of a conviction. I believe that we all just caught a glimpse of a monster.

The manipulative puppeteer side of Rafferty has been exposed. He is criminally minded aggressive and sexually sick but hardly anyone knew the depths of it. He knew the consequences and he researched and planned for his day. Smart like Bernardo but only in his own mind with an ego to believe it. Is that not what we see in the details and evidence from day one? Someone who had watched enough and gleaned enough to have spotted an opportunity to pull off a daylight abduction but stupidly right from a public school surrounded by cameras.

Even on tonight's news a debate panel of specialists noted and kept voicing one coincidence, it was to be Tori's first time walking home alone from her school to her new home that day. It was never said but I wondered again about how similar that white jacket worn during the abduction looked like the one worn by Tori's mother Tara. I wondered if Rafferty had purchased that jacket for McClintic before the abduction?  Tori was led to a parking lot where Tara was said to have been just a short time earlier. I wondered if that was a customary thing for Tara to do, which Rafferty might know of?  I wondered if someone was maybe even trying to set up Tara? The questions continued for me as to how much planning was really involved as opposed to what was legitimate coincidence.

Even now with benefit of hindsight it is hard enough to make out what all those complex little bits and pieces meant; which ones were important and which ones weren't. Imagine back to day one when all of these same points first became known but without any explanation whatsoever. Suspicions ran from Tori's mother and or associates to complete strangers right off the street. As we all now know, it was a hugely complex job tracking all the leads down.

We have come full circle now back to that day as we prepare to leave this discussion behind. We will each take something from it in our own way. I am reminded that the Police can be very capable and diligent and trustworthy and always are for the most part when children are involved. Anomalies aside. I myself will always be reminded of and watchful of the role coincidence plays in any future situations. Not everything is as it first appears. These aren't my words, I am just paraphrasing, “ once is coincidence, twice is suspicious, thrice the act of an enemy.” 

Excellent of everyone past and present who took the time to post here and lend their voices to the chorus calling for justice. Thankfully we will never know now what may have happened had these two not been caught. It wouldn't have been good. FDM for both, good as it gets in Canada !
 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: RubyRose on May 12, 2012, 04:06:01 AM
Sadly, too little, too late for Tori.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on May 12, 2012, 05:17:07 AM
RIP Tori.   Your killers have now both been found guilty.  May your family and those that had to hear the details, find peace.
There will never be enough justice as Canada doesn't have the death penalty, but at least these two killers will not see the outside of prison for many many years.

I watched the video of rafferty being interviewed.  What a spineless man.  Sitting there curled up under a prison blanket like an ornary kid.  I don't know how the detective didn't reach over and throttle him.  I didn't notice much change in his body language except for the fact he looked like a self-centered coward.
 He may have been able to mess with drug addicts minds, but he was no match for an educated man like Smythe.  Come to think of it, I don't recall any mention of him having male friends.  All we heard about was females that he dated, most at the same time.  Why no male friends... did he feel that he could manipulate women more?  Or did other males just not like him.
 He managed to get the escort girlfriend to send a lot of money his way.  Geesh there is a lot of stupid women out there that feed into these sick men.  And to think she has 4 (or 5, depending on which article you read) kids.  Poor buggars don't have much of a chance with a mother like her.  If I worked for the Children's Aid Society I would be making notes to check on the well-being of the escort's children.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on May 12, 2012, 07:05:27 AM
Very nicely written D1.

I would like to clarify my earlier comment about questioning whether Tori was targeted or not. I didn't want to in any way, challenge Mom personally, as I respect her contributions, always. I was instead exploring (and actually stuck on) the one question from all of this that has troubled me for a long long time. What can be done to keep our children safe, yet foster independence and confidence. Can't they go to school and return home safe and happy?

It so, to this day troubles me that Tori's carefree and beautiful life began to end the moment she was taken away. That very moment. It is that moment that haunts me still. A moment that should have never happened. I want so badly to understand because, personally, I feel it was that moment that if thwarted she would have never ever gone through the unspeakable. I guess we could all say if it was not Tori, the violent perps would have carried out their sick plan in some way, with some other individual.

But, I can't shake wishing, as a society, we could find a way to stop that moment where a criminal decides to act, and end, an innocent life. I don't think it will take security guards, guerilla parent evangelists, kids taught how to protect and fight off stranger danger...no, it will take changing a society mindset that somehow breeds community members that would never ever tolerate or think of doing such a thing... now... who's working on that piece of social change?

Or do we all get to wait until the next person is taken, life lost, body found, criminal sought, criminal found, criminal trial, criminal jailed, criminal out early on parole....criminal does it again? Family grieves forever.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 12, 2012, 08:48:20 AM
I am amazed that TM was able to walk out of the school with Tori, having been seen by a teacher. The school is not large is it? The teachers would know the parents, I am assuming. In my neck of the woods, there is supervision after school as well until every child is gone safely. Usually the principal did the after school patrol. If the person picking up a child is not the parent, they have to provide details (on whose authority are they here for the child) why they are picking the child up, or the child will not be going with them.
I thought TM caught Tori outside; now it's become evident she went right into the school. More supervision and keen eyes need to be there as the children leave, whether they walk together or take a bus. That is the responsibility of the school.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 12, 2012, 11:07:09 AM
Michael Rafferty 'likely' to appeal conviction

CBC – 2 hours 33 minutes ago
Canadian Press 
 

A sentencing hearing is scheduled Tuesday for Michael Rafferty, who has been convicted on all charges he faced in the death of eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., and there is speculation an appeal is likely.

A jury in London, Ont., on Friday found Rafferty, 31, guilty of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping after deliberating for about 10 hours over two days.

A conviction for first-degree murder carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no chance of applying for parole for 25 years. Rafferty's former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, 21, is already serving a life sentence for Tori's murder after she pleaded guilty two years ago.

Tori disappeared on her way home from Oliver Stephens Public School on April 8, 2009. Her remains were found more than three months later in a rural area outside Mount Forest, a small community 100 kilometres north of Woodstock.

During the 10-week trial, the Crown alleged the Grade 3 student was lured to Rafferty's vehicle by his then-girlfriend, McClintic, acting on his orders.

McClintic testified she killed the girl with a hammer, but the jury found Rafferty just as responsible as McClintic for the girl's death, regardless of who wielded the hammer.

Rafferty shut his eyes and stood motionless as the guilty verdicts were read shortly after 9 p.m. ET, and his knees appeared to buckle. Tori's family burst into tears, clasped hands and breathed audible sighs of relief.

After hearing the verdict, Tori's grandmother Doreen Graichen said justice has been done and a burden has been lifted.

"What we've been feeling for the past three years has been hell. This is almost a release for us," she said.

Tori's father, Rodney Stafford, said after the verdict that it was hard to contain himself in the emotionally charged courtroom, but it was a relief that this was how the past three years of his life came to an end.

He said felt "happy, excitement, but at the same time there was a sense of loss because Tori's not coming home."

"But we got it, we got the justice," Rodney Stafford added.

more at the link below.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/michael-rafferty-likely-appeal-conviction-142054250.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/michael-rafferty-likely-appeal-conviction-142054250.html)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on May 12, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
I really do not believe there will be an appeal in this case. When the lawyer was asked, he did not make any comments as to if there would be an appeal. I do not believe there will be. Right now we will feel the glory of the guilty verdict and feel the jury got it right. JUSTICE FOR TORI. And like the police officer stated, we're not concerned about Rafferty, he's history. So his name should not even be mentioned again, just think of the family and feel what they feel. Fitting that the verdict came the week of Mother's Day. Rejoice in the verdict of Guilty for this creep. I was so shocked at the autopsy report related to Tori's injuries. It just had to be so painful for the family to listen to this. God bless them and maybe now they can move on and have some solace that these murderers are behind bars. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 12, 2012, 11:46:05 AM
Very nicely written D1.

I would like to clarify my earlier comment about questioning whether Tori was targeted or not. I didn't want to in any way, challenge Mom personally, as I respect her contributions, always. I was instead exploring (and actually stuck on) the one question from all of this that has troubled me for a long long time. What can be done to keep our children safe, yet foster independence and confidence. Can't they go to school and return home safe and happy?

It so, to this day troubles me that Tori's carefree and beautiful life began to end the moment she was taken away. That very moment. It is that moment that haunts me still. A moment that should have never happened. I want so badly to understand because, personally, I feel it was that moment that if thwarted she would have never ever gone through the unspeakable. I guess we could all say if it was not Tori, the violent perps would have carried out their sick plan in some way, with some other individual.

But, I can't shake wishing, as a society, we could find a way to stop that moment where a criminal decides to act, and end, an innocent life. I don't think it will take security guards, guerilla parent evangelists, kids taught how to protect and fight off stranger danger...no, it will take changing a society mindset that somehow breeds community members that would never ever tolerate or think of doing such a thing... now... who's working on that piece of social change?

Or do we all get to wait until the next person is taken, life lost, body found, criminal sought, criminal found, criminal trial, criminal jailed, criminal out early on parole....criminal does it again? Family grieves forever.

These are really big issues and I believe they should be top order of priority for us a country, society to be dealing with. Maybe we can start a new thread soon called something like. "What changes can we make to stop the violence/murder?" We are dealing with a changing society and one in which men do not have the economic power they once had. One third of all families are supported by women now and that's increasing. Losers like Rafferty are being supported by pimping out girlfriends on the side, while dating numerous women at once, and taking out his sick rage by taking the life of one innocent child. I think we are all thoroughly disgusted and it would be nice to do something rather than wring our hands in despair at how bad things are. My fear is things might get worse and not better with the downward spiral in the economy and how desperate some very twisted and failed men might become.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 12, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
I am not haunted but something akin to that when I think back. I have one particular clip of the video showing Tori walking along with McClintic repeating over and over in my head. That one little stutter step she took as she lagged behind for one moment before she reconsidered and caught up bothers me to no end. From an outsiders perspective Tori was not being abducted, she was dutifully following along willingly as if walking with her mother back home from school. I wonder what Tori's thought process was at the exact moment she lagged behind, was she reconsidering following along any further? Had all the warnings given to her over the years come back for a moment? Was it only because TM was female that Tori followed her? It would seem so officially OK to Tori in a child's sense of right, the woman who came for her was right there at her school, teachers and witnesses around everywhere. How much safer could it have appeared to her?  One split second of indecision is what I saw, one split second that she should never have been faced with.

from Concerned -
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I would like to clarify my earlier comment about questioning whether Tori was targeted or not. I didn't want to in any way, challenge Mom personally, as I respect her contributions, always. I was instead exploring (and actually stuck on) the one question from all of this that has troubled me for a long long time. What can be done to keep our children safe, yet foster independence and confidence. Can't they go to school and return home safe and happy?

It so, to this day troubles me that Tori's carefree and beautiful life began to end the moment she was taken away. That very moment. It is that moment that haunts me still. A moment that should have never happened. I want so badly to understand because, personally, I feel it was that moment that if thwarted she would have never ever gone through the unspeakable. I guess we could all say if it was not Tori, the violent perps would have carried out their sick plan in some way, with some other individual.


I in no way meant to demean what mom said either. i have my own personal take on events as we all do, some of it possibly just in my own mind but those are some of the things I still question and why. Moms post was actually one of the best in pointing out facts as perceived and otherwise by each of us. I appreciated it being said although I did not say so. This is a discussion and we don't all have to agree, the back and forth brings out more ideas and clarifies the possibilities. We come here with many different perspectives and from many differing backgrounds. In the end, we all want the same; find the missing and obtain justice, we all want to see changes that reflect what we learn from every situation, we all want our children to be kept safe from the sort of thing that befell Tori.
 
It was a good day for Rodney and family, their emotion was hard to contain. We need waay more of these kind of days for the families of all the others we have listed on here. .   

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Coral on May 12, 2012, 03:39:39 PM
It is so sad that this situation ever had to happen, but this is the best outcome ever.  God bless each and every member that was on the jury.  Some angel guided them to the right verdict.  Can you imagine how horrified they would have been, if they fell for the defence's excuses and didn't find him guilty on one of those charges, only to discover all the other evidence regarding child porn later?  Rafferty's mom was defending her son to the media.  I wonder how well she really knew him?  No one wants to believe the worst about their child.  Parents often blame the teacher when I child is doing poorly in school, blame the other kid if there is a fight, say and do whatever they can to offer their child a glimmer of hope, that maybe they are innocent.  Can you imagine having your child accused of the charges in this case?  How horrified was this mother when she found out? He probably said "I swear mom, I didn't do it."  If he could fool allll those women that he was dating, it probably wasn't too hard to fool dear old mom.  Tomorrow, on mother's day, she too will be grieving.   She too has lost a child.  She is questionning herself "where did I go wrong" and "what could I have done to prevent this?"  No one wants to raise a monster.  Someone commented that Rafferty lacked male friends.  If I recall correctly, it was written in one of the newspapers that he had 2 brothers.  It didn't sound like either of them showed up in court to offer support.  Maybe they knew he was bad news and didn't have anything to do with him.  It should be a HUGE warning sign to women, that if your new boyfriend doesn't have a single male friend, chaces are there is something wrong with him, RUN!!!

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 13, 2012, 12:28:48 PM
I'd like to point out that Rafferty was also the youngest in the family (he had two older brothers). The youngest sometimes has a problem making a success of himself and developing good character traits generally. But beyond that, he's a sociopath and perhaps it doesn't matter what his mother (was there a father?) did or didn't do. Perhaps he inherited the wiring of a sociopath. Some people who inherit the brain traits of sociopaths can have it steered towards general good rather than evil, and this is one of the major challenges of our age, I say. We have the science to determine who has these brain traits if we want to use it and we may need to, in order to protect the greater good.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 15, 2012, 08:54:34 AM
Victim impact statements complete, 15 mins till sentencing unless rafferty chooses to speak. He cried through most of the statements Rodney called him a pos and crowd applauded.... Will update with sentencing soon.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 15, 2012, 11:15:42 AM
http://www.news1130.com/news/national/article/362766--michael-rafferty-apologizes-denies-guilt-as-judge-calls-him-a-monster

LONDON, Ont. - Michael Rafferty maintained his innocence Tuesday in the brutal abduction, rape and killing of Victoria Stafford as the judge presiding over the case labelled him a "monster."
Rafferty apologized to the eight-year-old girl's family in court after hearing the devastating effects of her death three years ago, but staunchly denied carrying out the crimes he was convicted of Friday.
"I am guilty of many crimes and there are a lot of things I am very, very ashamed of, but these three counts I still stand firmly behind not guilty," he said.
At the same time, he admitted to being "very definitely part of why Victoria's not here today," and offered to privately reveal "all the pieces of the puzzle" to Tori's mother, Tara McDonald.
It was the first time Rafferty has openly spoken in his own defence since pleading not guilty. The 31-year-old did not take the stand during the 10-week trial, leaving only his former girlfriend and accomplice Terri-Lynne McClintic's account of what happened the day Tori was killed.
Rafferty was formally sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. He was also sentenced to 10 years to be served concurrently for sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping.
In delivering the sentence, Superior Court Judge Thomas Heeney condemned Rafferty for snuffing out the life of a beautiful and innocent girl in order to gratify his "twisted and deviant desire to have sex with a child."
"Only a monster could commit such an act of pure evil," Heeney said angrily. "You, sir, are a monster."
Heeney had delayed sentencing Rafferty to give members of Tori's family a chance to give victim impact statements.
Earlier, the convicted killer sat in the prisoner's box and cried as he heard the words of Tori's big brother Daryn describing how his heart has been "ripped out."
Just 10 years old when Tori went missing, Daryn said it feels like the whole world is playing a sick trick on him — but it's not.
The courtroom was packed with family members and reporters, and even nine members of the jury returned to see Rafferty be sent to prison for life.
Crown attorney Stephanie Venne read Daryn's statement for him in court, and Rafferty wept as he heard Daryn's words about his fractured family and how he is lost without his baby sister.
One of the questions on the form on which victims use for their statements asks "was anything taken from you?"
"It's obviously asking about property, but something was taken from me," Daryn wrote.
"My baby sister was taken from me and that's not something I can go buy in a store and replace."
Daryn said there are no words to describe the impact of his sister's loss on him, but his statement described the empty spot in his life without Tori, his best friend.
"No hugs, no see you later, no goodbyes, just a part of my heart ripped out," he wrote.
"Not one person can say they feel the same way as me. My sister was the only person I had to talk to. Someone that felt what I felt, cried when I cried, laughed when I laughed and now I feel alone, like the world is playing a sick trick on me, but it's not. This is my reality. No more fun times, just old memories. No more I love you's, just an empty spot in my heart."
Tori vanished April 8, 2009, and her family spent six agonizing weeks wondering what could have happened to their bubbly little girl, until Rafferty and McClintic were charged and police announced they believed Tori was dead.
It would be another two months before her remains were found and she could finally be brought home.
Rafferty will join McClintic, his ex-lover and partner in the gruesome crime, in being sentenced to life in prison. She pleaded guilty two years ago to first-degree murder, admitting she lured Tori away with the promise of seeing a dog and delivered the child to Rafferty for repeated sexual assaults.
The jurors went to the judge with several questions about the sexual assault charge during their 10 hours of deliberations. It was alleged that Rafferty's sexual gratification was the motive behind the murder, but the jury didn't know there was evidence that he sought out hours of child pornography videos and made dozens of searches for images of violent child rape.
No one will ever know whether the jury believed if Rafferty or McClintic wielded the hammer that killed the girl, whether they thought the abduction was random or targeted, or whether the sequence of events was planned all along — but the end result was the same for little Tori.
Whether Tori knew McClintic or she was lured away with talk of a dog, the eight-year-old with butterfly earrings and a skip in her step was still unwittingly led to her death on a sunny April day after school.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 15, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1178675--tori-stafford-trial-victim-impact-statements-describe-heartache-while-rafferty-maintains-innocence

"Rafferty took most of those present in the courtroom by shock when Justice Thomas Heeney asked him if he had anything to say and Rafferty stood up and said yes. He then addressed Tara McDonald, Tori’s mother directly and said: “Nobody has all the pieces of the puzzle and I am willing to give them.”
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 15, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
http://www.570news.com/news/local/article/362940--leading-criminal-lawyer-says-victim-impact-statement-carry-weight

One of Canada's leading criminal defense lawyers says victim impact statements are in place to allow the victims of crime to have a voice.  However, Toronto-based Leo Adler also says they play a key role in the sentencing process. 

While such statements are optional, the Canadian Criminal Code stipulates that if they are delivered, the judge must take them into consideration during sentencing.  While they won't influence Michael Rafferty's automatic life sentence for first-degree murder, Adler tells 570 News the statements carry weight in dealing with sentencing for Rafferty's two other convictions. 

"In order to allow the court to fashion a sentence for those charges which don't have mandatory sentencing, namely the kidnapping and the sexual assault," says Adler.  "What the court wants to know and what the judge wants to know is, what is the effect of all of this, so that I can then express it in a sentence."

Adler adds that in the unlikely event that Rafferty's murder conviction is overturned, the victim impact statements would play a role if Rafferty were to appeal the other convictions.  He also says they could be used to determine if Rafferty qualifies for parole.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 15, 2012, 01:22:35 PM
Very strange,
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He then addressed Tara McDonald, Tori’s mother directly and said: “Nobody has all the pieces of the puzzle and I am willing to give them.”

Too little too late but should someone just go get the story from him anyway? 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on May 15, 2012, 02:03:06 PM
I would want the story I would meet with him. But I don't think she will, I think him addressing her is because he is too much of a coward to speak to dad stafford.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on May 15, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
That's what I think too, malloryknox....rafferty is too much of a coward to talk to another man.  I think he is saying that because he is trying to win points for his appeal.   Please rafferty, don't waste anymore tax payer's money, just rot away in jail.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on May 15, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Do you not see the real monster Rafferty is. Those people like him want to keep control over the victims, even after their dead. And that is what he wants to do, have the power over Tara, and ask to see her privately to say what went on. We all know what went on, the evidence is there. He is full of lies, he is a sociopath and a monster. He is scum and he is where he belongs. Thank God that Tara was able to see through this creepy monster. It is all about power, they even try to get it to make themselves feel better, not to make the victim feel better. A real bastard, pardon my language. JUSTICE IS DONE FOR TORI AND MAY THE FAMILY FIND PEACE. RIP, Tori. And may her brother's nightmares be taken away, God bless him, what he must be going through for the rest of his life. My prayers are with them to find peace now.  (Sorry about calling Tara - Terri, I have corrected my mistake). So many T's in the story.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 15, 2012, 05:14:41 PM
IMO, Rafferty had 3 months to give up the location and details of what happened and where Tori was b/c he knew, but he didn't do that ...showing he was saving his own skin.
The family need to heal now and I don't think Tara should go and see him. What good would that possibly do, since he is a proven liar? He had his chance in court and the hours of interrogation where he sat silent.
Perhaps Det. Smythe can pay him a visit and ask him those details/puzzle pieces. I think the police work and the crown did a pretty good job of filling in the gaps. As Cape said, he wants control.
   
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Have faith on May 15, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
SAP--I couldn't have said it better and I agree totally.  He is just continuing his well documented manipulation of women and figures Tara might fall for it.  Gawd he is disgusting!
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 15, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
Here are the transcripts of the victim impact statements...and rafferty;

Tori's Aunt Randi Millen
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760926.html

Tara McDonald
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760881.html

Rodney Stafford
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760876.html

Daryn Stafford, read by the Crown
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760666.html

Doreen Graichen, Grandmother
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760981.html

Robert Stafford
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760986.html

Linda Winters, Grandmother
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19760996.html



rafferty
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19761156.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 15, 2012, 08:45:18 PM
Why does rafferty say "he has lost a child before' in his statement to the court and victims? I knew he had told this to one of the women he was dating and people assumed it was a made-up story. Those victim impact statements are devastating and Tori's brother does seem to have been hit extremely hard by the murder of his sister because they were so close.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 15, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
My heart breaks for them, especially Daryn. He has been very traumatized. :'(

Regarding Rafferty claiming he lost a son also ... I chalked that up to his need for attention and sympathy. Perhaps he did have a son from one of the many liasons he had and the son is lost to him, not really lost. It would be difficult for any woman to have the son know a father like Rafferty. That in itself would be traumatizing. The man can't put anyone ahead of himself and he is all he thinks of ... him and his gratifications.
I really hope he doesn't appeal. He is quite a burden on taxpayers who actually work for a living.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on May 15, 2012, 09:32:22 PM
Then came the requisite attempt to identify with Daryn. "I have lost a child before," he said gravely, an apparent reference to a son of a girlfriend who tragically died as a youngster. The woman was actually pregnant when Rafferty met her, and he pimped her out (to the tune of $16,000) shortly after the baby died.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Blatchford+From+Tori+Stafford+brother+words+aching+humanity+from+killer+Michael+Rafferty/6626732/story.html#ixzz1v03Oi4ql
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on May 16, 2012, 09:39:38 AM
Then came the requisite attempt to identify with Daryn. "I have lost a child before," he said gravely, an apparent reference to a son of a girlfriend who tragically died as a youngster. The woman was actually pregnant when Rafferty met her, and he pimped her out (to the tune of $16,000) shortly after the baby died.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Blatchford+From+Tori+Stafford+brother+words+aching+humanity+from+killer+Michael+Rafferty/6626732/story.html#ixzz1v03Oi4ql
You know Rafferty is a much bigger monster then we really have come to know through this murder trial. He is disgusting and very manipulative. Who gives a damn about what he lost. If you lost a child, you're darned well not going to go out and rape and murder a child, because you would know the pain the parents would feel because of it. You would be protective of a child, not wanting to harm them. And if there was a child, the child possibly died of an illness or something. Yeah, he is a real case for a team of psychiatrists, not just one. MAY HE ROT IN JAIL AND LIKE THE POLICE SAID, HE'S HISTORY, NOT WORTH MENTIONING HIS NAME.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Chris on May 16, 2012, 10:53:58 AM
I had no doubt he would be convicted and I am glad the community can rest now.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 16, 2012, 12:28:13 PM
Looks like rafferty will be taking former cop Richard Wills, who murdered his mistress, spot in the big house. Willis is being moved coz Bernardo and Williams have complained about his all night singing and bad hygiene.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/15/wills-kingston-cell-empty-ready-for-rafferty
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on May 16, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
Tori Stafford's dad hopes positive change can come from her horrific death

By Allison Jones, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 7 hours ago


WOODSTOCK, Ont. - Victoria Stafford's father sat through the trial of his daughter's killer, often listening to details about the horror the eight-year-old suffered in the last hours of her life, and at the end of each day he just needed to see her smile.

Each day after the trial was over Rodney Stafford and his family would drive out here to the cemetery and visit Tori's grave. A stone angel is perched atop the headstone, which is surrounded by flowers and pinwheels in her favourite colour — purple. Etched into the stone is a picture of Tori's smiling face as it was in the last photo taken of her, on school picture day, the day before she was murdered.

"Basically that's all we did through the trial was come out at the end of each day just say, 'Hey we're this much further, we're this close,'" Stafford says, standing at the foot of his daughter's grave.

"It was definitely nice to come out and say, 'We got all the guilty's.' That smile right there is worth it."

Under the picture on the headstone is her name, Victoria, written as she printed her name. The first few letters are carefully formed, then by the r-i-a it looks like she became impatient. There's a princess crown etched atop the heart-shaped stone and the words "Our Princess on Earth...Our Angel in Heaven."

Stafford says he has rushed out to the cemetery, sometimes at 2 or 3 a.m.

"I wanted to see my girl," he says.

Tori's family has had to grieve in stages since she vanished on April 8, 2009. For six weeks they were plagued with anxiety, then two people were charged in her murder. The family then had to come to terms with the fact that Tori was dead, but still there was no body to bury.

Another two months passed and her remains were found wrapped in garbage bags and buried under a pile of rocks in a farmer's field far from her Woodstock home.

The reality of life without Tori set in, then nine more months passed and Terri-Lynne McClintic pleaded guilty to first-degree murder, revealing the sickening details behind Tori's rape and murder.

Another chunk of time went by and the grief was once again set in motion as the partial lifting of a publication ban meant some of the details of McClintic's plea could be made public.

Tori's family had to wait more than a year after that for Michael Rafferty's trial and now it has finally come to an end. They sat through the trial for 10 weeks. They cried tears of relief after he was found guilty Friday of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping. They gave their victim impact statements Tuesday and saw him sentenced to life in prison.

There are no more stages now except for the rest of their lives without Tori.

Her brother Daryn is growing up into a well-spoken young man, her cousins are reaching milestones and Victoria will forever be eight. She would have been 12 on July 15 this year, Stafford points out.

"There's no reason why she shouldn't be able to turn any age and not be able to celebrate it with the rest of us," Stafford says after re-arranging a wreath of purple flowers next to Tori's grave.

"But two people, two monsters, proven monsters, have taken that from us and from Victoria and now we get to celebrate Victoria's birthdays out here with her."

The story of what happened to Tori is all about good versus evil, Stafford says. Tori was the epitome of innocence.

But Stafford won't let himself get overwhelmed by the darkness of it all, choosing instead to seek out the bit of blue sky. Amber Alert criteria were changed in the wake of Tori's death, and Stafford is glad to see OxyContin — the drug of choice for McClintic and Rafferty — no longer produced, and he hopes more positive changes can come from this tragedy.

He wants to dedicate his life to helping children somehow, whether it's working with kids or being an advocate, starting a memorial foundation in Tori's name, lobbying for surveillance cameras at elementary schools or changes to the justice system. He's not sure yet. But he knows it will help him get by.

Words like closure don't mean too much, he says.

"Tori's never coming home," Stafford says. "That's the realization that I'm coming to, but at the same time I can't change what happened that day. All I can do is take what happened to Tori and use it as an example to try to make it better for the future."

In the meantime, in the name of moving into the next stage, Stafford thinks he will scale back the daily visits to Tori's grave. He will still come by a lot, just maybe not every day.

"We frequent this road quite a bit so I'll be stopping in every chance I get," Stafford says. "Sometimes I drive by and just blow a kiss."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/tori-staffords-dad-hopes-positive-change-come-her-080008177.html
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 17, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
Both of Tori's parents gave separate interviews with the press and addressed Rafferties strange offer of giving them all the missing pieces.

Tara was not interested for all of the reasons stated especially if she was required to meet with him. Rodney was a bit more open to the idea and requested Rafferty put all the pieces out on the table right now. Rafferty specifically requesting Tara receive the info is the sticking point. If a way could be devised to avoid that, I believe it should be attempted. I believe and trust that Rodney will do and authorize what he can to get that info.

Anything that helps to understand these events helps us to recognize the security vulnerabilities and how to prevent the same from being exploited again. , or at least might aid to find the perps faster. The call for camera's at schools and other similar things are all gleaned through the details. You always want to know as many details as possible in any one of these abduction cases. We don't need all of the details published and Tara should not comply with any request imo, but if there were a way... 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on May 17, 2012, 07:44:27 AM
It's Rafferty's sick way of once again having control over a female, imo. If Rodney is willing to try to get that info, I hope he is successful but it seems that Rafferty has problems relating to men. Could be a fear that he can't manipulate them. I don't think for a minute that even though Tara is not interested in speaking with him to find out, this will not burn in her mind for a long time. It is beyond disgusting that Rafferty has a last go at grieving parents and has a hold on them like that. He seems to have a need to take others down with him. 25 years is not long enough for a pos like him.


Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Sleuth on May 17, 2012, 09:07:51 AM
A lovely article written about Tori; Why Tori will always matter

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/05/15/19762406.html

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on May 17, 2012, 01:24:54 PM
Great story! Probably how many of us on here feel too. 

The story brought back another memory for me; recall the government trying to pass legislation to allow authorities to look at emails and computer records without a warrant? Now we find that the Police had done just that and knew what Rafferty was all about but were prohibited from telling a jury. Imagine if there had been an acquittal.. Not a big point as it turned out but the potential existed. I wonder if passing a new law prior to a trial would have made the computer evidence admissible in this case? Seems everyone was trying to pull out all the stops for Tori, she was a very touching and memorable little girl.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: expecting rain on August 02, 2012, 07:48:58 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/02/michael-rafferty-conviction-appeal.html

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Michael Rafferty is appealing his first-degree murder conviction in the killing of Victoria (Tori) Stafford, the eight-year-old girl who disappeared near her home in Woodstock, Ont., more than three years ago.

Rafferty received a life sentence after he was found guilty of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping following his 2½ month trial in a London courthouse earlier this year.

In the document, filed with the Court of Appeal of Ontario on July 26, Rafferty says "the jury failed to apprehend the evidentiary requirement to convict for first-degree murder." He also says Justice Thomas Heeney failed to properly instruct the jury.

Rafferty also writes that he missed the 30-day deadline to appeal because he had difficulty accessing a telephone to contact legal counsel.

Michael Rafferty was found guilty of first-degree murder, sexual assault causing bodily harm and kidnapping. (Dave Chidley/Canadian Press)
Rafferty says he would prefer a trial by jury, if a second trial is ordered.

The application appears to have been filed from Kingston Penitentiary.

Rafferty was found guilty on May 11 after more than a day of deliberations but Justice Heeney was criticized for excluding certain character evidence collected by the police, including that Rafferty had used his computer to search for child pornography.

That information was deemed inadmissible because police failed to get proper search warrants when accessing data on Rafferty’ laptop.

Tori's remains found under rocks
Tori disappeared after leaving her elementary school in Woodstock on April 8, 2009, prompting police to launch a massive search effort including hundreds of officers and volunteers. Her partially clothed remains were found more than three months later under a pile of rocks in Mount Forest, Ont., 100 kilometres north of her home.

Much of Rafferty's trial centred on the prosecution's star witness Terri-Lynne McClintic, who pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori in April 2010.

Terri-Lynne McClintic is serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to the first-degree murder of Tori Stafford in April 2010. (Canadian Press)
McClintic told jurors she lured Tori to Rafferty's car on his orders. The pair then drove the girl first to Guelph and later to rural area outside Mount Forest. McClintic said she killed Tori with a hammer after Rafferty raped the young girl, contradicting previous statements she made to police that he was the one who delivered the fatal blows.

The pair were arrested a month after the Grade 3 student disappeared but McClintic agreed to help investigators a short time later.

Rafferty's trial, which began on March 5, was mostly taken up by the Crown's case including 61 witnesses and almost 200 exhibits. Defence lawyer Dirk Derstine took just one day to present evidence.

Rafferty did not testify
Derstine maintained that Rafferty had simply been a horrified spectator to Tori's abduction by McClintic. He said she had killed the girl unbeknownst to him.

Rafferty did not testify in his own defence but did rise to speak during his sentencing hearing on May 15.

He said he was sorry for Tori's death but disagreed with his conviction.

"I am guilty of many crimes and there are a lot of things I am very, very ashamed of but these three counts, I still stand firmly behind not guilty," he said.

During the sentencing hearing, Justice Heeney called Rafferty a "monster" and defended his decision to exclude the character evidence, saying that doing otherwise would have demonstrated a "fundamental misunderstanding" of the basic concepts of Canadian law.

Heeney said character evidence has unduly influenced juries in the past.

Rafferty also received 10 years each for kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm, to be served concurrently with the life sentence for first-degree murder.
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Post by: Have faith on August 02, 2012, 09:03:10 PM
This is an expected appeal.  Most people who receive the maximum sentence will appeal because they have nothing to lose. 

Justice Thomas Heeney, the judge who presided over this case, was criticized for withholding information from the jury that would have shown his perverted interest in child pornography, and other negative testaments about his evil character.  The judge was being very careful, knowing that Rafferty would get a scum bag lawyer to launch an appeal.  It obviously took Rafferty a while to get a scum bag lawyer, but he managed to find one.

How much are we paying in our taxes to allow this murderer to again run up more court fees?  Honestly, our justice system is beyond bizarre.  His appeal will lose, and we will be paying for it.  Let's find out who the scum bag lawyer is, and put him out of business. :-)


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Post by: eyeswideopen on August 03, 2012, 04:27:17 AM
lol that would be nice how ever you cant put a lawyer out of business.  Everyone has the right to legal council and if no one took it on , the courts would appoint some one to take it .  Laws of Canada I am afraid.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: malloryknox on August 05, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
The poor staffords ! It's disgusting that our laws give dirty kiddy killers rights.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: justsayin on August 08, 2012, 10:49:17 AM
and even further travesty is that he is protected in Jail and given extra "rights" becuase he is endangered.   i am sure he would experience the wrath of what he did to Tory were it not for that...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on August 08, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
That just goes to show how much remorse this SOB has. He doesn't get it. It's now putting the focus on himself again. And the fact that he wanted to talk to Tori's mom, makes him the sickest creep walking. Imagine, wanting to torture Tori's parents with trying to excuse himself and make himself look like an angel. There is evil in this person and I know he will rot in jail. He will never be free. Because even if he was let out of jail, he would not be free. I hope every night that he  closes his eyes that he has nightmares. When the day of judgement comes, the devil is waiting for him, whenever he closes his eyes and takes his last breath. So he has jail to contend with, but there is a higher power, a punishment that no human can hand down. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Post by: jobo on September 12, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/loLOCAL NEWS

Terri-Lynne McClintic Pleads Guilty to Assault

 Posted By: Dave Bradleydbradley@astral.com·9/12/2012 12:50:00 PM

The woman already in prison serving a life sentence for her role in the death of Tori Stafford, has pleaded guilty to assault.

Terri-Lynne McClintic pleaded guilty to a charge of assault causing bodily harm.

It was back in 2010, that McClintic pleaded guilty in 2010 in the Stafford case, while her ex-boyfriend Michael Rafferty was also convicted of first-degree murder, sexual assault and kidnapping.

This assault conviction will not affect her sentence, in fact, it will be served concurrently with her life term.

Tori Stafford was 8 years old when she was abducted from her Woodstock school and later sexually assaulted and murdered, back in 2008.

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Post by: joojoo on October 18, 2012, 09:08:17 AM
Maybe in Canada we need to change the judicial system to give consecutive sentences then perps would have incentive to not do more crimes. What kind of deterrent is there if they don't have added time?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Annastaisha on November 02, 2012, 03:11:14 PM
http://www.globalnews.ca/rafferty+clears+hurdle+to+proceed+with+appeal+in+tori+stafford+murder/6442746226/story.html


Rafferty clears hurdle to proceed with appeal in Tori Stafford murder Friday, November 02, 2012 9:57 AM
 Michael Rafferty has cleared a hurdle to proceed with an appeal of his murder conviction in the killing of eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.
Photo Credit: Dave Chidley , The Canadian Press
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TORONTO - Michael Rafferty has cleared a hurdle to proceed with an appeal of his murder conviction in the killing of eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.

Rafferty missed the deadline to file his notice of appeal, which is 30 days after sentencing, so he had to request a time extension.

The Court of Appeal for Ontario granted it Oct. 26, so he can now file a full appeal if he wants.

He has not filed any appeal documents beyond the inmate notice of appeal, filed in July, in which he says his conviction should be set aside and a new trial ordered.

Rafferty was convicted in May of kidnapping, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the death of Tori, from Woodstock, Ont.

On his notice of appeal written from Kingston Penitentiary where he is serving a life sentence, Rafferty says it was filed late because he wasn't able to use the phone in time to speak to a lawyer about it.

Related story: A timeline of the Victoria Stafford story.

There is no date for Rafferty's appeal to be heard. Dates for appeals are not generally set until the appellant has filed all the proper documents.

Rafferty's former girlfriend and accomplice in the killing, Terri-Lynne McClintic, is also serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to first-degree murder.

Evidence was that McClintic lured the Grade 3 student to Rafferty's car. They then drove her to a secluded area where he raped her. One of them then smashed her head in with a hammer before burying her body under garbage bags and a pile of rocks.

To avoid prejudice to the accused, the judge did not allow the jury to hear evidence seized from Rafferty's laptop, which included child pornography, torture videos and a movie about the abduction of a girl.



Read it on Global News: Global News | Rafferty clears hurdle to proceed with appeal in Tori Stafford murder
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on November 02, 2012, 06:53:35 PM
That bastard is not going to give up, is he. Someone should get him in a dark corner and settle the appeal, once and for all. He is a worse monster then anyone could ever believe. He did the crime, so why not take the punishment and shut up, no, he loves to play the horrible crime over and over, MONSTER, MONSTER, MONSTER. That is what these psychos do, they replay the crime over and over and over again. Because if he was out of jail, no little child would be safe from his perverted mind and his violence. This sickens me to the core. And Tori's parents have to listen to this bullshit from the jail cell. Nothing should be said about this until it is confirmed. He just wants his voice to be heard from behind bars, another Charles Manson. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on November 03, 2012, 02:43:21 AM
These kinds of perps should NEVER see the light of day once they are incarcerated.  And....we certainly don't want to hear that he is appealing, how upsetting.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Have faith on June 01, 2013, 10:52:42 AM
I am shocked that young children are still walking to school alone, especially in Woodstock!  At the very least, arrange to have your child walk with other children.


SAFETY
Woodstock police investigate after girl followed to school

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Saturday, June 1, 2013 11:01:28 EDT AM

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Police are investigating after a suspicious person was seen following a young girl as she walked to school on Mill Street near Albert Street in Woodstock on Friday morning.

A crossing guard noticed that a vehicle was driving very slowly and as the girl neared the school, the vehicle turned around and drove away.

The suspect is described as a white male, 25-30 years old, unshaven, wearing a dark short-sleeve shirt. The vehicle was described as a black Nissan, two-door sports car.

Police are reminding parents to speak with their children about safety measure walking to a from school. Anyone with information about the suspect or vehicle is asked to contact Woodstock Police.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/06/01/woodstock-police-investigate-after-girl-followed-to-school (http://www.lfpress.com/2013/06/01/woodstock-police-investigate-after-girl-followed-to-school)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on June 01, 2013, 05:32:19 PM
I am quite surprised that parents forget so easily about what happened to Tori.  At least the children should be walking to school with another friend. And I'm glad the police brought this up and give the parents a jolt here that they should not relax. There are evil people out there every day. Because even down in this area there have been reports of someone trying to pick up children on the way to school. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on June 02, 2013, 03:03:57 PM
Lately I've noticed several reports of suspicious males in cars around the different towns in Ontario.....this is the time of year the creeps come out, nicer weather seems to make these incidents more common.
I cannot stand to see any kid walking alone, I don't think it is safe in this day and age.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: leonagleant on July 14, 2013, 10:02:08 AM
This is a huge dilemma for parents. At what age and in what neighborhoods is it ever safe to walk alone? From reading this site you might sat it's never safe to walk alone, particularly at night and even into  your adult years. At a certain point, a parent has to take a chance and allow their growing child to at least walk to and from school and around the neighborhood alone. Personally, I draw the line at after dark as an unsafe time for even young adults to be out alone. This would be particularly true in isolated areas but we have also seen young women abducted in busy urban areas too.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Have faith on December 11, 2013, 09:55:35 AM
It makes me feel sick to know that my taxes are going towards another lawyer and trial for this pervert.  As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter which one actually killed little Tori, they both deserve the maximum sentence.

My thoughts are with Tori's family as they face another trial and relive the horror.

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/12/10/judge-orders-ontario-to-find-a-way-to-pay-for-michael-raffertys-lawyer-in-his-appeal (http://www.lfpress.com/2013/12/10/judge-orders-ontario-to-find-a-way-to-pay-for-michael-raffertys-lawyer-in-his-appeal)

Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on December 11, 2013, 01:10:50 PM
It truly is upsetting, this creep needs to be lost in jail...not sitting in a court room, where we pay for his lawyer(s).  He so brutally assaulted Tori that there is no way he doesn't belong in jail for life....it doesn't matter which one actually killed this child, him and Mclintock do not deserve to see the light of day.
 The (continued) abuse of Tori's loved ones having to sit through more court is just too upsetting for words.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Miracle on December 11, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
Very upsetting!  It is bad enough that we have to pay for their keep in prison.   Such sick people in this world!  My heart goes out to her family.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on December 11, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
This is totally off the wall, how can this be happening. This creep should never be in the news again. He should be rotting behind bars for the rest of his days. Appeal, well Tori didn't get any appeal, did she. It's too bad someone didn't get to this SOB behind bars and do him in. Sorry, but this turns my stomach. When does it ever end. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2013, 11:33:04 AM
Our justice system has some not so funny quirks. How did this guy even get his appeal accepted? Sure his excuse is that another person admittedly did the actual killing and that technically is a valid reason to appeal but: this guy can't say he didn't know it was going to happen. It wasn't just an assault and rape of a child that he was guilty of as he would like people to believe. How sick that this is the best excuse he can come up with for appeal. He wants to be looked at like any other pedophile who has assaulted a child and there fore should be considered for release like all the other pedophiles in this country. Sad state of affairs.

But why was the appeal even granted? This guy was in on and planned the abduction. He alone performed the rape. He supplied the cash for and drove to get the murder weapon before the rape. The evidence shows he knew that was the plan. The law states murder committed during a sexual assault is 1st degree. He knew what was going to happen after the rape and could have stopped it. He didn't. He is as guilty as can be and using a very flimsy legal excuse to even ask for the appeal. I for the life of me do not know why it is being allowed. This one should have been denied imo. Did the crown reps and the judge who granted this even read the trial transcript?
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on December 17, 2013, 11:53:40 AM
Well spoken D1. I totally agree with all you've said. This is a case where many of us felt there would be no appeal. This guy is just as guilty as the other party involved. A sick and disgusting individual who raped and aided in taking the life of a tiny child. Tory died a horrific death. Her family is devastated, and life for them will never be the same. He should never again see the light of day.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2013, 12:42:09 PM
As usual, this re-trial is all on "possibilities that were not taken into consideration"

http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/4249710-tori-stafford-s-killer-seeks-appeal-funding/

excerpt: from article dated December 2, 2013
His present lawyer Calarco put forward;

The trial judge made three errors, including not charging the jury on the issue of accessory after the fact, Calarco told the court.

"A trial judge has to put every defence that is reasonably based to the jury," Calarco argued. "Accessory had a very strong air of reality to it."

McClintic made conflicting statements about whether she or Rafferty delivered the fatal blows to Tori. If she was the "principal offender," then Rafferty's actions could mean he is "nothing more than an accessory after the fact," Calarco said.

"(He's) not blameless by any means, but not blameworthy for murder," Calarco said. "You can't expect anyone but a very well-prepared, very well-briefed counsel to advance that ground."

Superior Court Judge Thomas Heeney also erred by not giving the jury what is called a Vetrovec warning, which cautions juries about the testimony of untrustworthy witnesses.

Rafferty's trial lawyer, Dirk Derstine, made a "tactical decision" not to ask Heeney to give that warning in his instructions to the jury, and Heeney found that there was no risk the jury would convict on McClintic's evidence alone, Calarco said. Still, the caution was needed, he said.

Derstine suggested to the jury in his closing remarks at trial that Rafferty was an innocent dupe or horrified spectator to a murder that McClintic orchestrated and committed, saying her testimony can't be trusted.

The third ground that Calarco said points to the merit of Rafferty's appeal is another issue regarding McClintic's conflicting evidence.

"This is a person who is totally capable of deceit," Calarco said. "This is not a person you can put any faith in."

Each of those issues illustrate that the appeal is not straightforward and Rafferty needs more assistance than duty counsel could provide, Calarco said.

"There's no evidence that Mr. Rafferty was the prime offender in this," Calarco said. "The only way to make those points to the court, I would suggest, is through the appointment of counsel."
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: SAP on April 05, 2014, 09:32:27 AM
Long article and video at the link.

http://www.lfpress.com/2014/04/04/on-april-8-2009-eight-year-old-victoria-tori-stafford-disappeared-while-walking-home-from-school-in-woodstock
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Concerned on April 19, 2014, 03:40:27 PM
I just realized it has been five years. Thoughts and prayers to the family. Some anniversaries are not as joyous as others. Surely not this one, especially when it is still filled with court appearances. I'm hoping the family can build from here and gain strength, peace and wellbeing.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on April 21, 2014, 10:14:32 AM
The time goes by so quickly. It is one of the major crimes in Canada, a very traumatic event for family and friends of Tori. Thoughts and prayers to them. It is great that these people were caught, because I believe they would have committed further crimes. It also brings us to mind the crimes of Karla Homolka also and her husband, horrendous crimes to happen in basically normal neighbourhoods. Also it brings to mind the stabbing deaths of five beautiful young people in Calgary and a senseless act of violence. It is like a disease of violence that is sweeping the young people today, where are the values and the human feelings to help others and not hurt them. And in the case of Tori, a beautiful little girl, and to attack and harm her in her innocence, the death penalty should be the punishment for such a crime. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: debbiec on June 11, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
TORI STAFFORD MURDER
Michael Rafferty appeal takes slow road    

By Randy Richmond, The London Free Press
Monday, April 13, 2015 8:48:17 EDT PM


A year ago, lawyers working on both sides of convicted killer Michael Rafferty’s appeal were told to set a timetable for sharing information, under a judge’s urging they move quickly.

“It is in the public interest and the interest of justice that this appeal proceed to hearing as soon as possible,” Ontario Court of Appeal Justice Marc Rosenberg wrote.

But a year later, there are no documents filed with the court and no dates set for hearings, the court confirmed Monday.

For some family members of victim Victoria (Tori) Stafford, the long, silent wait with no sign of a legal resolution means they can’t put the case, or their fears, to rest.

“For the last year and a half, two years, we’ve been in limbo, waiting to figure out what he (Rafferty) is doing,” said Tori’s father, Rodney Stafford. “We can’t set anything to rest because we are too concerned about what’s coming up. It’s disgusting.”

Eight-year-old Tori was kidnapped April 8, 2009, while walking home from her school in Woodstock and killed that same evening in a wooded area of a farm north of Guelph.

Rafferty was convicted May 11, 2012, of first-degree murder, kidnapping and sexual assault causing bodily harm and sentenced to life in prison.

His partner in the killing, Terri-Lynne McClintic, pleaded guilty April 30, 2010, to first-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

Rafferty received leave to appeal in November 2012, but his attempt became mired for more than a year in arguments over who would pay for his lawyer and what level of legal representation he would receive.

In December 2013, Ontario’s court of appeal ruled the province should pay for a lawyer because of the complexities of the case and merits of the appeal.

Rosenberg took on the responsibility of managing the appeal and set a date of May 2014 for counsel to arrange a timetable for filing factums —the main arguments — and the appeal book, the collection of all the supporting documents. It’s not clear if the timetable itself was filed and what, if any deadlines, it contains.

Criminal cases take on average 14 months to go from the time leave to appeal is granted to the time the appeal is ready for a court date, according to the Ontario Court of Appeal’s annual reports.

Whatever date is chosen in Rafferty’s case, either the November 2012 leave to appeal or December 2013 ruling granting him a lawyer, his case has already surpassed the average timeframe.

But Rafferty’s appeal lawyer, Paul Calarco, said the length of time for a murder case is not unusual.

“A case of this size can take a significant amount of time before it appears before the court.”

Calarco said he could provide few details because of client confidentiality.

“I can say that I am continuing to work on the appeal. No dates have been set for it. That is quite common,” he said. “There are a number of steps that have to be taken.”

Tori’s mother, Tara McDonald, said she tries not to think about the outstanding court case until something happens.

“He’s just using every last straw of the legal system that he possibly can,” she said. “We have given them both too much of our lives already. Their names aren’t spoken in our homes, and we no longer allow them any more of our thoughts.”

But her ex-husband Stafford said it’s difficult to put the two convicted killers aside when the family receives regular updates about their movements.

“Especially McClintic. She is being taken out (of prison) all the time for whatever, probably toothaches and crap.”

The notices, which come every couple of months or so, induce mixed feelings, he said.

“It’s kind of good to know what they’re up to,” Stafford said.

But, “It’s upsetting because here I am busting my ass daily,” added Stafford, who works for a commercial cleaning company, “and I don’t have (medical) coverage. Everything I’m working for is helping keep them alive and well.”

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/04/13/michael-rafferty-appeal-takes-slow-road (http://www.lfpress.com/2015/04/13/michael-rafferty-appeal-takes-slow-road)
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: Ron on June 16, 2016, 01:58:16 PM
Convicted killer wants new trial.


                                        http://www.680news.com/2016/06/16/appeal-in-victoria-stafford-murder-set-to-be-heard-oct-24/




   

The man convicted of killing eight-year-old Victoria Stafford seven years ago is asking for a new trial, arguing there was too much weight given to the testimony of the “unsavoury” main witness.

Michael Rafferty was convicted in May 2012 of kidnapping, sexual assault and first-degree murder in the death of the Woodstock, Ont., girl.

His former girlfriend, Terri-Lynne McClintic, pleaded guilty in 2010 to first-degree murder, initially telling police Rafferty killed the girl, but testifying at his trial that she delivered the fatal blows.

Rafferty’s lawyer, Paul Calarco, argues in documents filed with the Court of Appeal for Ontario that the judge made several errors, including failing to give a “sharp warning” to the jury against relying on McClintic’s testimony.

He says the case against Rafferty relied almost entirely on the word of McClintic — “a person of unsavoury character, with a serious history of violence and lying.”

The appeal is set to be heard Oct. 24.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: lostlinganer on June 16, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Give him to Bikers Against Child Abuse... they will give him a "fair trial". 
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on June 17, 2016, 02:08:04 PM
Rafferty likes to bring attention to himself. A sociopath, a useless piece of crap and he is where he should be.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on June 18, 2016, 05:21:08 AM
He's another sick puppy trying to waste tax payer's money.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on October 23, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
CTV news reported today that Rafferty is seeking a new trial. He indicated that McClintic is responsible. Isn't that a hoot, well this is not going to hold water. These kind of people seek attention. He actually believes that will happen, because he wants to be in the news, that is the only reason. They cannot stand to be in the slammer and nobody hears about them, they are just scum of the earth and are where they should be. This is just an attention getter. He was responsible and she was responsible for this crime and they should never get out of jail.He does not know it, but he is a hell of a lot safer in jail then he is outside. If he ever gets out, he'll possibly have to live on the moon, because I'm sure someone is waiting for him around the corner if and when he walks out of jail. :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Post by: kathybarnes on October 24, 2016, 11:20:04 AM
There is a video and article at this link: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/victoria-stafford-s-killer-s-appeal-dismissed-1.3127560?hootPostID=4970c684e05d75859bd0c16b43b1aaf8

Victoria Stafford's killer's appeal dismissed

The Canadian Press
Published Sunday, October 23, 2016 10:15AM EDT
Last Updated Monday, October 24, 2016 1:02PM EDT
TORONTO -- Ontario's highest court has dismissed an appeal by the convicted killer of eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.
Michael Rafferty was sentenced to life in prison in 2013 with no chance of parole for 25 years for kidnapping, sexual assault causing bodily harm and first-degree murder in the death of the Woodstock, Ont., girl.
Rafferty's accomplice, Terri-Lynne McClintic, pleaded guilty in 2010 to first-degree murder.
Rafferty's lawyer, Paul Calarco, argued earlier today that the judge made several errors, including failing to warn the jury against relying on the testimony of McClintic, and arguing that she could have been the driving force behind the murder.
Calarco also said some of Rafferty's actions after the killing -- such as cleaning his car, disposing of clothing and giving a false alibi -- were "equally consistent" with being an accessory after the fact.
The appeal court judges dismissed Rafferty's appeal before hearing the Crown's arguments.
More to come...
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: capeheart on September 28, 2018, 01:11:10 PM
I am very shocked that McClintic was allowed to leave jail and go to a healing lodge with the native reserve healing, because she is supposedly an indigenous person. I do not believe she should be allowed this privilege. She is only in jail  for eight years. I believe she should have to spend every waking moment and sleeping moment behind bars.  Torri sure as hell did not get any help from her when she needed it. McClintic lured her to a violent death and a monster who was with her, they took that lovely little child's life. They do not need anybody to feel sorry for them or to help them and she should be put back in a security prison where she was before. My opinion on that.
Title: Re: Victoria "Tori" Stafford - 8 - Murdered April 8, 2009 Woodstock, On - Part 2
Post by: jobo on October 14, 2018, 04:36:37 AM
Where a petition to stop this insanity?
 McClintic doesn’t deserve a break.