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Title: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: straita on October 10, 2011, 07:03:34 AM
I saw this on FB last night and it is now on local news radio stations and on the New Glasgow News website:  http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-10/article-2773021/Pictou-County-woman-missing

Here is the FB link:  https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=187045654704578

For some reason it won't accept the whole link, so you will have to copy and paste it into your browser.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 10, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
I just watched the evening news. Amber was at a bar in New Glasgow with some frinds. She did not leave with them, because she was calling her boyfriend to pick her up. She had recently moved in with her boyfriend. He was on TV this evening and felt that someone may have been holding her against her will.  No trace has been found of Amber. Search parties are all over the place looking for her and even down at the shore they have been searching and also had a helicopter out checking for her. Amber is a very pretty 19 year old girl. I wish the young people would realize what danger they are in late at night. It is very dangerous to stay waiting alone for someone to pick you up, especially at a tavern or bar. Hopefully Amber is found okay, but it is a long time, today is Monday and she has been missing since Saturday night. Prayers for her safe return. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 10, 2011, 04:14:26 PM
In all the reports I have seen it never mentions her parents except to say her family and friends are worried. It seems to be her friend and boyfriend doing all the talking. There was also a Facebook site called New Glasgow Police Services that everyone thought was the New Glasgow Police however it turns out it is not them. The info at the site had a lot of info that was not true.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 10, 2011, 06:53:38 PM
Searchers were out Monday looking for a 19-year-old woman who disappeared from a New Glasgow pool hall, but by nightfall they had not found anything.

Police said Amber Kirwan was last seen outside Dooley's in the northern Nova Scotia town at 1:30 a.m. Sunday.

Her relatives called for help late that afternoon when they hadn't heard from her.

Police checked with Kirwan's family and friends, as well as local businesses and taxi companies. They also canvassed some neighbourhoods.

Firefighters and search-and-rescue teams assisted in the search. A helicopter was in the air by Monday afternoon.

"As of this time we've been unable to locate her," said Const. Ken MacDonald.

MacDonald said it is out of character for Kirwan to disappear like this.

According to a friend, Kirwan was supposed to meet her boyfriend at a convenience store shortly after leaving the pool hall, but she never showed up, the CBC's Kevin Harvey reported from the scene.

Kirwan was last seen wearing dark clothing. No other details were available.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the New Glasgow Police Service or Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/10/ns-search-new-glasgow-woman.html
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 11, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
The police now are going to door to door in the area where Amber went missing. She was walking a short distance to a convenience store to meet her boyfriend and when he got there she was not there. He indicated it is out of character for her to do this and so her friends have stated also. I believe Amber must have been taken in a vehicle. Unless the police have now clues off a video surveillance camera, this maybe why the search has changed it's direction. We pray that Amber is found very soon, safe and sound. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 11, 2011, 02:09:50 PM
 From the New Glasgow News today :UPDATE: 3:10 p.m. - New Glasgow Police have widened the perimeter of their search for Amber Kirwan to vacant buildings on the outskirts of the town. Const. Duane Rutledge of the New Glasgow Police Canine unit and Ekko searched the former Tibbets Paints building on Glass Street this afternoon.

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UPDATE: NEW GLASGOW – Police are conducting a search on Glass Street around 2 p.m. for Amber Kirwan, but say no new information is available as of yet.

 

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 11, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
I am wondering if there were any male persons in the bar that evening that were paying a lot of attention to the group of girls. And was there anyone in the bar that the girls felt was a stranger to them. But it does not matter if it was a stranger, because sometimes it is a person that knows the victim very well. I do hope the police have confiscated all video surveillance from the area. Is there anyone on here from Picou County, please tell us what you know that may not be in the news???  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 11, 2011, 02:32:38 PM
I am near New Glasgow. There are alot of people out looking for her. From what I have heard Dooley's (the bar she was at) was packed. The survelience camera was checked there and also at Big Al's (where she was meeting her boyfriend) I also understand that other businesses in town were checked or going to be checked. The distance from Dooleys to Big ALs can 't be 1/2 of a kilometer apart. The time span between her leaving Dooleys and her boyfriend getting to Big Als was 10 mins. It's hard to believe she disappeared in that short disatnce and time.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 11, 2011, 05:12:15 PM
oceansalt, this is a very short time span. This just sounds like more then one person was involved here. She could have been abducted very quickly, especially if there was a driver and someone could open a door and she would be not expecting this. She should have never left alone, especially with all of these people around and I would assume most of them would be males. This does not sound good. And now we are into Tuesday evening and no Amber, my prayers are there with all of her friends and family. They must be very worried as to what has happened to her.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 12, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
No, the boyfriend is not a suspect. He drove there looking for her and within ten minutes she disappeared. So she must have been snatched off the street. According to one poster there were many people around that evening. And I would think that her boyfriend must have an alibi for the time period. All can be checked out easily. If he has a cell phone or however she contacted him, it should be regisered with the phone company. As I understood it, she did not make it to the convenience store. So who on the street saw her, especially with so many people around. And we have not heard of any surveillance cameras being helpful in Amber's disappearance. I did not think of the boyfriend being involved, but if his story does not check out, that could be possible. And just that you mentioned that, has their residence been checked out by the police??? Sometimes the first person to look at is the boyfriend or husband in some of those cases. Anyone from Pictou County on here that can give any info on the boyfriend and what kind of a guy he is?????? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
While I was posting my last comment, I just watched the evening news. The RCMP have stated they are still doing an ongoing search of buildings and terrain around the water. They have indicated that they have some articles which have been sent to forensics to see if they belong to Amber. But the investigation is ongoing. Her boyfriend was on there also and he made a comment that he felt she was being held against her will. But what I did think was unusual was, he did not state on there that if anyone was holding Amber, please release her to her family. Also, Amber's parents or relatives have not made any comments, just friends and her boyfriend that I saw on news reports. Hoping you are safe and come home soon, Amber. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 12, 2011, 03:45:09 PM
Yes it is close to a river. Here is the latest local news: UPDATE – Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2:52 p.m. – New Glasgow police spokesman Ken MacDonald confirms several items, including clothing, have been discovered during the search. These items are being sent to forensic experts to determine if any of them are related to the case.

UPDATE – Wednesday, Oct. 12, 1:52 p.m. – New Glasgow Police officers remove a black object from a grassy area in New Glasgow. Police are continuing their investigation into the disappearance of Amber Kirwan who was last seen outside of Doolys at 1:30 a.m. Sunday.

UPDATE – Wednesday, Oct. 12, 11:25 a.m. – Pictou county ground search and rescue crews were searching near the Trenton connector Wednesday for Amber Kirwan.  The search has been expanded to a larger area today and includes having boats in the water.

UPDATE – Wednesday, Oct. 12, 8:50 a.m. – The search for a missing Pictou County girl is expanding today.

Const. Ken MacDonald with New Glasgow Police says a command centre has been set up. Police will be joined today by ground search and rescue teams, the New Glasgow Fire Department and other local police agencies.

“The search will expand its perimeter today,” said MacDonald.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 04:11:17 PM
By all accounts it looks as though Amber may no longer be "with us'.   How many times have we "heard", she or he may be held against her or his will.

This is a thought of self preservation, as to think otherwise would  be too horrific for them.

This often turns out to be a murder. Very rarely is a young woman held against her will for any length of time. She was either stalked and murdered that nite, and they may find her remains in the water.  Water is often used isn't it?  It is a fast way to dispose of a body, rather than dig into the earth.
I would certainly have a good look at the boyfriend as well.  Very often they will chat away trying to be in control of the situation and steering the police, and the public in a different direction. ie Abducted.

I am sorry for being so morbid.  This is not my usual approach. However,  I am sick and tired of young women disappearing and usually ending up with the same sad result. I guess they should all lock themselves up in their homes after dark, and even then, some of them are not entirely safe.

God bless her parents, who are keeping their silence and may be on a vigil waiting for word. I so hope that she TRULY IS FOUND SAFE, and is one of the few.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 12, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
I think there was someone at Dooleys watching her or someone passed her while she was on route to meet her boyfriend. If I understand things correctly when her boyfriend got to their meeting spot and she wasn't there he texted the cell phone she called from to see if she was still there. The time span was only about 10 mins from when she left Dooleys to when he arrived at Big ALs to pick her up.  There do not seem to be any rumours around about him however people are really curious to why her parents don't seem to be talked about or interviewed.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 05:06:27 PM
I am confused. First report she was to meet him at another bar, called Big Al'S.  Then she was to meet him a convenience store. Is the name of the convenience store Big Al's and it is not a bar?

Why would he not pick her up at the bar where she was last seen? Most boyfriends would, wouldn't they?  Somehow this makes me wonder.  hmmm

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Wanderlei on October 12, 2011, 05:17:12 PM
yes, Big Al's is a convience store . about a 5 minute walk or even less away from the pool hall . i also find it strange that she was not picked up at the pool hall!! VERY STRANGE !!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
Hi Somethingfishy. Welcome to the site!!
 :)
Thank you for providing us with the  links.

 Is Big Al's on the same street as Dooleys? or is Big Al's on a side street, out of prying eyes of traffic cops? Does anyone know?
This is important (to know) isn't it?


JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 07:32:18 PM
http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/1267956.html

New Glasgow rallies around missing teen

By AARON BESWICK Truro Bureau
Wed, Oct 12 - 4:53 AM

Taylor Hayman has spent the past two days searching for her friend Amber Kirwan. Kirwan hasn’t been seen since leaving Dooly’s pool hall at 1:30 a.m. Sunday. Anyone with information regarding her whereabouts is asked to contact the New Glasgow Police Services or Crime Stoppers. (AARON BESWICK
 



 

NEW GLASGOW — After a second day searching for her missing friend, Taylor Hayman leaned against her car and sighed.

When asked what she thought was the cause of Amber Kirwan’s disappearance, she replied, "The obvious."

She didn’t elaborate.

"I’m worried," she said, before adding she would continue searching for her friend.

Kirwan, 19, was last seen leaving Dooly’s pool hall in New Glasgow at 1:30 a.m. Sunday. She was heading in the direction of Big Al’s Convenience store — a five-minute walk away.

According to her boyfriend, Mason Campbell, Kirwan had called him and asked him to pick her up at the store but she never arrived.

"She’s not the type of person not to call either her parents or me or any of her friends," Campbell told CTV news on Tuesday.

New Glasgow is in shock at the terrifying ending to the Thanksgiving weekend. Volunteers fanned out plastering the town with pictures of Kirwan. Facebook pages dedicated to the search for Kirwan have sprung up, with one having more than 1,000 members.

"The whole county had their porch lights on for her Monday night," said Hayman, who has known Kirwan since preschool.

"She’s one of my best friends. I was supposed to go out that night but I had to work back-shift."

New Glasgow Police Services are treating Kirwan’s disappearance as a missing person case. Officers and a canine unit spent Sunday and Monday searching as well as interviewing potential witnesses and checking video-surveillance cameras.

The radius of the search was expanded Tuesday and the canine unit was used to search at least one abandoned New Glasgow building that was less than a kilometre away from where the woman went missing.

Pictou County Ground Search and Rescue and the New Glasgow fire department have been searching wooded areas and fields. Small craft have also carried out searches of the East River on Monday and Tuesday.

"New Glasgow is a caring community and all our thoughts and prayers are with Amber’s family and friends," said New Glasgow Mayor Barrie MacMillan.

On Monday, friends gathered in New Glasgow Square to say a prayer for Kirwan’s return and now they are discussing the possibility of holding a vigil in the coming days.

Kirwan, an accounting student at the Nova Scotia Community College, was described by her friend Maggie Chickness as a "very friendly, kind-hearted girl, very short but with a big personality."

Some accounts have her wearing a black and blue shirt the evening she went missing but Const. Ken Macdonald of the New Glasgow Police Service warned that police couldn’t verify what she was wearing.

Macdonald encouraged anyone with video-surveillance equipment in the New Glasgow area that was operating the night of Kirwan’s disappearance to check it. Anyone with information regarding Kirwan’s disappearance is asked to call Crime Stoppers or the police at 752-1941.

( abeswick@herald.ca)



Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
 quote boyfriend:

"I should've been there. I should've waited longer around there. I should've tried harder to skim up and down that road," he said.

Campbell said he didn't go directly to the club to pick her up because his car inspection is out of date.
 
"I can't drive after midnight, and I did have a couple drinks and I was tired. You know, I wasn't preparing myself for a situation like this," he said.

unquote:
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Okay, lets see. He was not to drive after midnite(why?) I don't know Nova Scotias laws. Is it because he did not have a car inspection done?
Yet it was okay to drive after midnite to Al's convenience store, which also looks like a main road as well. (Perhaps police hang around Doolie's checking drivers?) 

I get the feeling that he was nervous even driving after midnite, and didn't want to hang around Big Al's too long either.
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So, I am buying into his reason.  He may have lost his lisence in the past, and was just getting it back, and since he also had a few drinks, and he was tired, he didn't want to be on the road for too long.-
I'll buy it!!

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ellash on October 12, 2011, 08:09:16 PM
In Nova Scotia as a new driver, you are not aloud to drive after midnight until you get your full drivers license.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ellash on October 12, 2011, 08:32:48 PM
I'm not sure if you are from Nova Scotia or not but NG is not a very happening place. It is a very small town where everybody knows everybody, including everybody's business. In my opinion most of the people at Dooley's probably knew each other, or knew somebody who knew somebody. Although I don't live in NG, I live close enough to know that if I were to go to Dooley's in NG, people would notice that I was a new face. In other words, people knew Amber!
At the same time, I have been one of the many people who have been drugged at a bar in Halifax, NS after being out with friends. Thankfully, my friends were there and I was safe even though my behavior was very out of character after having had the drink. I wonder could this have happened to Amber? Did anyone notice if she was acting abnormal in anyway or has there been any indication if she was given a lot of drinks. After reading somethingfishing's comment, I started thinking that if someone were to abduct Amber after being at Dooley's they might be on camera buying her drinks. I really hope this is something the police are looking at.
 
So as I mentioned about NG, not a lot of people would be out driving that late, which is why it was probably an issue for the boyfriend to drive close to the club with his restrictions. In a place like NG, police are around to catch drinking and driving and will frequently put up road blocks. Anyone from NG would know they might run into a road block, which is why I find it strange that anyone would risk taking anyone in a place as small as NG.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 12, 2011, 08:56:26 PM
I think the girlfriend when asked what she thought happened to Amber, and her reply was "Well, it is obvious" could mean anything... or it could also mean the boyfriend.
Catakill, I just love the way that you were able to take his words and tear them apart,  revealing a possible killer of Amber.
Are there any camera's at Big Al's?  It being a small town, maybe not.  His car may have been captured there on camera.
If he was so protective of keeping his license, he would have told her to take a cab home, or get a ride home with one of her friends.
I think this boyfriend is on the radar list of a suspect for certain.  Now the police have to locate her.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 12, 2011, 10:10:51 PM
Folks, a side note on who I am and what I do.

I am a New Brunswick Search Manager who has been involved in SAR for 4-5years. I am also a Computer Technician, as well as a Provincial Enforcement Officer.( so yes I deal with criminals and interviews on a regular basis)

I post that as those that dont yet know me or my post wouldn't neccesarily know where I am coming from. I post opinions and facts not theories and am open to answering questions about my experiences. My intent is to neveroffend any other poster.

@catakil- just a note people have told me before, splitting your paragraphs up into segments will make an easier read that will get more views.

@jb- I'm sure you know from my prior posts I dont generally jump on a band wagon regarding who did what but i have to say i agree odds are that Ms. kirwan has met foul play. Personally my gut is not ruling out her live in Boy Friend but I have little fact to go on. Yes as you noted his "answers" could be legit but... Seeing him on the news tonight he didnt appear to be overly distraught. In saying that maybe he shows his emotions differently than i would however if I just lost the woman i was going to marry i would be bawling like a baby.

His point about meeting at the conveince store, makes sense because he shouldn't have been driving after midnight or after drinking and the cars inspection was due. Having worked in bars before I can gaurantee cops watch them. I worked a small town bar they were always at the nearest cross street if they weren't already tailing someone.

As i meantioned i have no fact to cast light upon him but my gut is raising red flags. I will however defend him on not remembering what he did minute for minute. None of you can tell me you could remember every detail. I've posted before when people were skeptical about how a family couldn't be sure if a pair of shoes belonged to a subject... Well I'm sorry I'm a trained Provincial Enforcement Officer... I cant telli you what pair of shoes my sister has and i am trained to watch detail and i do SAR and i know the importance of detail but still couldn't do it.

As for the questions about kidnappings and assaults. Nothing can be ruled out and that 10 minute distance is more than enough. Don't believe me see the NB Case File below:
 http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3253.0

Gsar_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 13, 2011, 07:57:10 AM
I live only about a 5-10 minute walk to Dooly's and I go to Big Al's on a daily basis to pick up milk for my kids.  It's just down the road and around the corner from my house.  It makes me shiver.  The place is so open.  The objects found, which appear to be shoes were found around the Elk's Gentlemans' club, which is a place men go to hang out and drink and stuff, but I don't think it was open at that time of the day.  I find it amazing that just nobody saw anything, but it only takes a second for someone to grab someone and throw them in a van, etc.  Something else I don't know if people thought of, today is garbage day.....and it makes me wonder if she could (God forbid) be in a dumpster or green bin...sorry for sounding morbid here, but let's face it, that stuff happens.  My heart is going out to her mother, and being a mother, I can only imagine what the family is going through....looking at that empty spot at the table at Thanksgiving....so heartbreaking.  At first I thought she may be pulling a prank for attention...but it's beyond that now...this stuff never really happens around here, and I hope for a happy ending for the family....but things are not looking good.  God Bless.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 13, 2011, 08:01:04 AM
I think it's fully plausible that a stranger did something to her, it happens.

I think it's fully plausible someone that knew her did something to her, it happens.

To assume only that the boyfriend did it is wrong, however to not assume is wrong as well.

to assume only that a stranger did it is wrong, however not to assume is wrong as well.

Quite a quandry isnt it? 

They need to find out where on security tapes she dissappeared and maybe start there, the only other thing left to do is keep your ears 'to the ground' and search,search search....woods and old abandoned buildings as well as along the highways in and out of NG.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 13, 2011, 08:18:47 AM
Wow, a lot of lies in here. You guys need to brush up on your facts a bit before attempting to dilute other's minds with your on personal perceptions.

Lesson 1:
Mason wasn't raised by his godmother. (where you thought that is absolutely ridiculous)

Lesson 2:
The cops questioned Mason to have these RUMOUR starters shut their mouths. Mason was on camera driving towards Big Al's, pulling in at Big Al's and waiting. The cops are diligently working with Mason to find Amber, he is given all information from them as well. Something they wouldn't do for a suspect.

Lesson 3:
Mason is running on NO SLEEP and NO FOOD and is more than worried and is absolutely distraught due to this very very tumultuous situation that is before us.  He is the one that is out at all hours with Police and SAR helping and giving up ALL INFORMATION needed to help find her.

Lesson 4:
Just in the past 3 months, 11 and I repeat 11!!!!! Sexual offenders were released from jail within a 20 mile radius of Dooly's New Glasgow as per the Police. So take that info and shove

So to Chills who thinks that Mason has a chip on his shoulder and is suffering from little man syndrome, it's time to suck back and reload and realize that talk is cheap. You need to brush up on facts before you go off on a spiel and try to encrypt minds with your complete and utter blasphemous mindset.

I've been out there everyday searching, getting posters, getting donations. I know what's been found, I know where the progress is and the cops are "FAR FROM CLUELESS" (their words not mine)

So instead of coming in here and shooting off, get out there and look instead of pretending you are concerned. I traveled over 6 hours to be here, what did you do?


Can you tell me how you know that 11 offenders have been released in the New Glasgow area?  I am a mom of 2 small children at home and this news is rather upsetting to me.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 13, 2011, 08:37:52 AM
Wow, a lot of lies in here. You guys need to brush up on your facts a bit before attempting to dilute other's minds with your on personal perceptions.

Lesson 1:
Mason wasn't raised by his godmother. (where you thought that is absolutely ridiculous)

Lesson 2:
The cops questioned Mason to have these RUMOUR starters shut their mouths. Mason was on camera driving towards Big Al's, pulling in at Big Al's and waiting. The cops are diligently working with Mason to find Amber, he is given all information from them as well. Something they wouldn't do for a suspect.

Lesson 3:
Mason is running on NO SLEEP and NO FOOD and is more than worried and is absolutely distraught due to this very very tumultuous situation that is before us.  He is the one that is out at all hours with Police and SAR helping and giving up ALL INFORMATION needed to help find her.

Lesson 4:
Just in the past 3 months, 11 and I repeat 11!!!!! Sexual offenders were released from jail within a 20 mile radius of Dooly's New Glasgow as per the Police. So take that info and shove

So to Chills who thinks that Mason has a chip on his shoulder and is suffering from little man syndrome, it's time to suck back and reload and realize that talk is cheap. You need to brush up on facts before you go off on a spiel and try to encrypt minds with your complete and utter blasphemous mindset.

I've been out there everyday searching, getting posters, getting donations. I know what's been found, I know where the progress is and the cops are "FAR FROM CLUELESS" (their words not mine)

So instead of coming in here and shooting off, get out there and look instead of pretending you are concerned. I traveled over 6 hours to be here, what did you do?


Can you tell me how you know that 11 offenders have been released in the New Glasgow area?  I am a mom of 2 small children at home and this news is rather upsetting to me.....

 As noted above I work with Police on a daily basis in NB and am a Provincial Enforcement Officer which gives me Peace Officer Status so essentially a cop except dealing with different laws. I couldn't tell you if my neighbor is a sex offender or not so I dont know how the poster somehow knows for a FACT that 11 sex offenders have been released in 3 months.

Also to my knowledge we have no system like that of the US but again if we did... There would only be more violence in our neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 09:18:37 AM
The NB case certainly proves you can drop off the face of the earth. She was abducted within 2 minutes of leaving the mall. Dragged for 2 kilometers and nobody saw anything. But maybe they did and did not realize it. In that area of town it probably looked like a guy dragging his drunk girlfriend home. The police in that case should have gone door to door in that area considering lots of x-cons lived in the area. Most of the people living in that place were released from prison and they would never call police for anything. Instead the police kept assuming she left of her own accord but the ones that know her knew that would never happen. She is a fantastic Wife, Mother and Grandmother.

So the same thing could have happened to Amber only probably taken by car. We can all assume what could have happened but until the truth comes out we are just playing a guessing game. The first one suspected is always the spouse or partner.  It was such a short distance to Al's but it was also a shorter distance to the car of the NB lady.  It proves there are so many perverts out there just lying in wait for innocent victims.

Lets hope they find this young lady fast and bring her home safely.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 13, 2011, 10:50:58 AM
I find it all very suspicious related to the boyfriend's story. Who saw him??? Why did he go home to his place and sleep without knowing where Amber was. If she told him to pick her up, how could he just dismiss that, it does not add up. And I don't care how much stress someone is under, you can basically remember what you did. You would make a list of names of who to call. He never once said or pleaded to the public for Amber's return. If he thought someone had her, why not plead to this unknown individual to release her.

If Mason was drinking at home that night, he may have been fuming and working himself into a fit of anger, because Amber was out enjoying herself. And possibly the whole thing blew up when he did pick her up. This is just something that could very well have happened.

And there was a poster that said there were a lot of people in the area that evening, at Big Al's convenience store and on the street after Dooley's closed. Somebody just had to see Amber walking to Big Al's. The only way someone could be taken so quickly is if there was a driver and someone took her. Other then that Amber got into a vehicle willingly.

But who saw Mason when he said he was waiting for Amber??? Those are questions if I was the police, that I would be asking. And how long did he supposedly wait for Amber. And why are her parents not out front and centre asking for the public's help in finding Amber? And would Amber pull a trick like this, I don't really think she would according to what friends say. I think something very bad happened to Amber.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Capeheart I believe there is a picture of the girls and 1 guy taken before they left for Doolys. Also someone said the video from Doolys shows her leaving and heading towards Al's. Also was stated the video from Al's shows her boyfriend there but there is no video of her showing up there.
So she could have been taken enroute.  I agree that most cases the person knows the abductor.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chills on October 13, 2011, 12:40:07 PM

Point 2
The cops questioned Mason to have these RUMOUR starters shut their mouths. Mason was on camera driving towards Big Al's, pulling in at Big Al's and waiting. The cops are diligently working with Mason to find Amber, he is given all information from them as well. Something they wouldn't do for a suspect.
Mason himself said / posted that HE got the call.
Point 3:
Mason is running on NO SLEEP and NO FOOD and is more than worried and is absolutely distraught due to this very very tumultuous situation that is before us.  He is the one that is out at all hours with Police and SAR helping and giving up ALL INFORMATION needed to help find her.

Yes I noticed that he brought up how he has been sleeping very little , understandable , it was the way he said it though that caught my eye. It is gone now because when the NG New updates they remove the old unfortunately but it was his choice of words , again, that has struck myself and others that read it as odd. bringing up that he didn't really have total recall of all he'd already said etc. It was strange. Not saying anyone would remember everything, but there is just something about the way he talk about things. Call it a hunch. He certainly had no regard for how the police operate when Amber was first missing as was shown in his own words. Just because the Needs store may not have turned out to be a real lead. Mason DID make that post and those are his exact words copied & pasted from the FB page prior to them being removed. There was a SAR member online at the time that can verify that if needed.


" I've been out there everyday searching, getting posters, getting donations. I know what's been found, I know where the progress is and the cops are "FAR FROM CLUELESS" (their words not mine) "
This aspect of things also bothers me, lots of civilians who are friends with the people involved in this case, close friends, had / have been give were given free access to a lot of the information gathered & videos. Especially in the beginning. All you need to do is look at the posters the police are still allowing to be posted around town with the boyfriends cell number as the contact number, not the police number, but HIS cell number. Drive around town people if you don't believe me look at the posters with the grad pic of Amber, now look at the 301- **** number. Guess who's that is ? I'm sure by now its tapped but what about those first few crucial hours ? Why did Ambers friends feel the need to put Mason's number instead of the police on those posters ? Why not both if they felt his HAD to be there at all ?  :o   
I know I know, your going to say because they are kids or something right ? But did you read all the negative they were saying on Sat night about the local police ? Some of us did. Your going to bring up the 24 hour thing I imagine, I still don't know if that is true in NS is it? Anyone verify ? Anyway the police number could still have been on those posters as well and later when all these other posters were going up...perhaps those should have come down. As I see them all over the place side by side usually.


Now imagine being a youth in this small area and you might know something but all the posters you see going up on Sunday have Mason and his Moms
 ( correct me if I'm wrong on the second number, it was someone's family member, NOT the police ) what does that say to you ???
What if you don't like Mason, not everyone does, no matter what some would like you to believe. Do you really call him with the info ?? I feel the RCMP major crimes unit should have been called in from the beginning ,but thats just my opinion. I think our police did a their job but let things get a little out of control at times. Now important evidence may be lost for good. Hopefully not. Will keep praying for Amber


And just an FYI, I too was out looking. I was even at the North end rec to get some of those posters you had donated. Not the ones with Mason's number.  ;) But I am not a kid that has to go along like a lamb and agree with everything. I'm entitled to my opinions. If I feel someone harmed her I will say it, even if I feel was her boyfriend , I don't hang out with your that crowd so I am not wearing blinders. I hope I'm wrong, I really do...I'd hate to think that the person she must have cared about and trusted was the person to turn on her, to harm her.  :'( 
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Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 13, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
Hi Chills,

Well, I'm sure no one will miss that post. Even if you hadn't made it the size of a poster it would have been read, as many are following this case. Please keep in mind that that everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, just as you expect to be.

Some here think that Amber's boyfriend had something to do with her disappearance, and some do not. Until Amber is found anything is possible.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chills on October 13, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
   http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-12/article-2775182/RCMP-major-crime-unit-joining-in-investigation/1                  (ftp://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-12/article-2775182/RCMP-major-crime-unit-joining-in-investigation/1)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 13, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
I don't understand why donations to her family AND boyfriend are requested /required at this time ? Several companies are printing posters, Advocate, Staples etc and more will likely step up now that the RCMP are involved. So what is the funding for ??  Just wondering.



i find that happens quite a bit when someone goes missing, I often think funds are raised because of having to take time off of work to search,wait by the phone etc...So money can come in handy to buy groceries,pay bills, or generally down the road hire a private investigator or pay for any medical issue that could come up as a result of her being found alive....or the costs associated with the worst case scenario..funeral costs etc.... I guess people feel the need to help in anyway they can and donating money is one the mass public can do.  
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chills on October 13, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
Ahhh...OK...I see now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 13, 2011, 01:38:31 PM
there certainly are many people viewing this thread today, let's hope if someone knows something of her whereabouts/what happened they make it known somehow.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
I still find it strange that the parents have not be shown or heard from at all.  If someone has her it might give her strength to see people worried about her like in the NB case her daughters and husband gave her strength to get through this.
Not always the case especially with Penny Boudreau crying on TV asking her daughter to come home and knowing all along that she had murdered her.

But if she is held captive just seeing people on tv asking for information might help her. Most abductors will have the news on at some point. Just my opinion because if it was my daughter I would be on tv keeping people searching and keep the story on the news. I haven't seen much of in the national news.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chills on October 13, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
I hope Amber is found alive. If that turn out not to be the case then I hope the evidence is solid enough to lead the police to whom ever harmed her. I hate the cases where the police come on saying the evidence has been compromised or that it was too late to find good evidence and the persons responsible are never found out.

I spoke earlier of my feeling that her BF may have been involved . As an adult I admit that was a gut reaction as a parent written in the early AM. My child is older and lives away but still something about this case hit home. I have seen this Mason a couple of times in person and did not care for him.  Perhaps that was just a reaction as a dad. I know others who know him and have had negative dealings but thats a far cry from hurting your girlfriend I guess. I was upset when I wrote my earlier post. It seems to me like the kids are hiding something , or maybe just scared to speak up and I was imagining how things must be from her parents viewpoint. Frustrating. Who do you believe ??

Maybe she was intoxicated or drugged , there are different versions of this going around too. There is the story of her being in the bathroom crying & upset just before leaving. While I know its just hearsay, it could also be true. Maybe she had an argument with her BF or a girl friend, add in too much booze and who knows. If she is found gone could it maybe have been accidental ? First reports said staggering from bar. Then those got changed to no, only one drink over the next few days, which is it ?? Or more likely somewhere in the middle ? The pic of her at their apartment before going out certainly looks like more than one drink. Add in a few more drinks over the next few hours ?? Will the story get changed back ??

These are just the ponderings of a parent who sees things a little differently than the youths close to Amber.
Praying for her return.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 13, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
If she was upset and crying in the bathroom before she left, that is surely a red flag that something was wrong. Did anyone see her besides the girls when she left their company?? She may have gotten into a car willingly with someone else whom she trusted. If someone offered her a drive, maybe she did get in another vehicle. I still am looking at the BF. Was the residence where they lived checked out??? I would imagine the police would go there and check it out. He has been questioned, according to a poster. It just doesn't sound good to me.

And I also don't believe that anyone should be collecting money in this case. If the BF needs food, he can certainly go to his parents or the food bank. Also the churches are very good to help people. But to go out there and ask for money to be donated, I don't agree. Any funds should be given to the Search and Rescue or donated to the Fire Department, they are the ones who deserve the funds.

I wonder if the police have checked any camping grounds or provincial parks that are close to New Glasgow. There must be park areas that people would drive to within a short distance New Glasgow.   :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 13, 2011, 04:58:06 PM
Seeking Answers, those are questions I had already posted earlier. Never did get anything confirmed on how long the BF waited or how long he was getting there after, it was noted a ten minute period. What I would really like to know is, WHO SAW AMBER AFTER SHE LEFT HER FRIENDS????? Did anyone come forward and say they noticed her walking. If not, she may have gotten into a vehicle willingly. With so many people around, it is unusual nobody saw Amber. People do stupid things when they are under the influence of alcohol. And it was noted that she was upset over something, that she was seen crying in a washroom. So maybe she was afraid of someone or maybe she was going to meet someone, it is darned hard to figure out just how people disappear off the face of the earth, with so many people about. Did anybody hear someone scream or did they see someone speed away or was there anything at all out of the ordinary.

I would also mention, if someone knows someone that is not acting their usual personality, drinking more or smoking more or seems agitated, that indivdual may know what has happened to Amber. Just some thing that people should take note of. WHERE IS AMBER?????
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 05:10:45 PM
Lots of questions and very few answers. I don't know of one teenager that would ever leave home without their cell phone. That part never made any sense. Everyone has their cell phone and mostly put it in their pocket. Strange because if she still had it they could trace her with it. The BF said she left it home with her purse and only took money and a couple of cards. Not making any sense at all.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 13, 2011, 05:12:41 PM
there is a dark area on the right side of Dooleys going towards Big Als where a screaming girl would not attract attention. After all there is alot of noise around a bar at close to closing. I agree Mason is a little "Different" however he did look interviewers on tv in the eye. I am sure I would be a little "different" if I had a loved one missing as well. It does seem odd that he went home and went to bed though unless he and Amber were fighting because she wanted to go out with the girls.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 13, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
I believe she left her cell phone home so the boyfriend could have it if he went out so she could reach him
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 05:29:23 PM
I would imagine the BF has his own cellphone. He did say she left it home with her purse and just took cash and cards. The crowd she was with left her apartment. There is a picture somewhere showing them ready to go out. He wasn't in the picture so maybe he was already out somewhere. Still find it hard to think of a teen without her phone.
Walking on the google map its a very short distance from Doolys to Als. Up the street on Provost you can actually see Doolys and Als from one spot so something must have happend in the first 3 or 4 minutes. She was on video leaving Doolys and heading towards Al's.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Blair Hibbs on October 13, 2011, 06:24:18 PM
There are "quite" a few "guests" watching this thread almost all the time...Please from a son who's Mom was Murdered and the body never found (yet) Please if you know anything even if you think its nothing or you do not want to get involved, Please reach out write it here, call crime stoppers, the Police but NOW is the time as time is critical......I pray you will come forth .....It could happen to you or yours....what would you want if that were the case???
Blair Hibbs
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 13, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
Investigations, I have learned usually begins with the last person to see her, and then extends to the bf in this case, then the  inner circle of acquaintances, and extends outwards from there.

I will certainly go back and look at any videos that I can find of this young man making an appeal.  I have not been able to locate any facebook link, of which everyone is concerned about.  Would anyone care to give the link?

Early on, I had asked about the traffic laws, re the young man wanted to avoid Dooleys, because he was not allowed to drive after midnite. That made sense to me. He may have taken sideroads to get to Big Al's to avoid being stopped by the police.  This is very common with alot of drivers who have their reasons to avoid being stopped, and this includes adults as well.

If he truly was captured on camera at Big Al's then he did not make THAT UP, so that is one truth that he gave.  The fact that he is unlikeable to some, does not a killer make. At the moment, public opinion has found him guilty.   
All of the points made by the Sgt makes sense (possibly a jealousy factor there by the boyfriend)

Sometimes a young man in order  to save face, will say, well I let her go out on her own to be with friends, when in actual fact, a woman could very well - say I am going out with friends when ever I want to, whether you like it or not!! The fact that he said that "We were meant for each other", tells me that he NEEDS HER, more than SHE NEEDS HIM.
One thing truly concerns me here.  If it is true that the police have him in their vehicle driving around with him to search for her, does not bode well for him.

 Police have been known to take their suspect  into their confidence, and buddy them up, with hopes that he may "slip".

Perhaps her parents have not made an appeal for her safe return, as they are too upset.  I would not be surprised to learn however,  that  her parents did not approve of her living with this fellow. And probably did not approve of her choice. Perhaps she was estranged from her parents due to her choices.  This is just my opinion.

Having said that, they will be appealing to the public, I am sure.

If I were this young man, I would stop talking to the press, and get some advice from a lawyer lickety split.
And where are his parents, in all of this?
JB


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 13, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
Thank you sad333:  Yes her parents are reaching out and appealing for her safe return./JB
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http://www.news957.com/news/local/article/287767--family-of-missing-new-glasgow-woman-reaches-out


Family of missing New Glasgow woman reaches out
News 95.7 StaffOct 13, 2011 05:15:43 AM
Related Stories•Search for New Glasgow teen expands

 The family of a 19-year-old New Glasgow woman who's been missing since early on the morning of October 9th is reaching out the public for the first time since Amber Kirwan's disappearance.
 
In an email to News 95.7 Thursday afternoon, Marj, Donnie and Liam Kirwan released this statement:
 
"Our family appreciates all of the community support and the efforts of the police and others involved in the search for Amber. Please, do NOT give up on Amber. Keep her in your thoughts, your prayers and conversations. Every poster hung and Facebook posting with her picture keeps her face out there. She is our sweet little girl, and all we want is for our baby to return to us safe and sound."
 
Kirwan was last seen Sunday morning at 1:30 when she left the local Dooly's pool hall to meet her boyfriend.
 
Police in New Glasgow have turned several items of clothing over to forensic identification services to determine whether they're connected to Kirwan's disappearance.
 
Cst. Ken MacDonald tells News 95.7 local residents turned over a few items Wednesday that are now being analyzed.
 
"We have had various items of clothing being turned into us by local residents, but our forensic teams and our investigators have to confirm that clothing to see if...it relates to the victim, but this hasn't been done at this point in time," he said.
 
MacDonald says members of the local community are being extremely helpful with the search effort.
 
"Some of our community members are helping feed our local volunteers, putting posters up on telephone poles, so we haven't had any problems or issues with the public helping the investigation at all," he said. "The message is out there and the public are being very supportive and cooperative."
 
Nearly 100 searchers scoured an expanded area Thursday that included woods and the East River.

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Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 13, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Valerie used a friends phone at Dooley's to call her boyfriend, to ask him to pick her up. They agreed to meet at Big Al's. When he went to Big Al's and waited for her, and she didn't show up, he called the friends phone number, but there wasn't any answer on that persons cell. He probably texted as well.  The cell phone records can always be checked anyway.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: grich on October 13, 2011, 09:28:54 PM
the search was conducted in almost every wooded area in new glasgow around the area.  searches also included the east river, which runs through the town.  the last focus of searching, from my understanding, was on glass st. in trenton - not too far from big al's.  but roughly a 20 minute walk, or 3 minute car ride.  there are some abandoned buildings they were searching there.  if you google map and use street view, you can see the walk from dooly's to big al's.  not far.  unfortunately glass street is not on street view, but if you use the satellite option you can zoom in on the street and see the outlines of some of the old structures.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 13, 2011, 09:31:38 PM
No ground search for missing New Glasgow woman
CBC News Posted: Oct 13, 2011 11:18 PM AT Last Updated: Oct 13, 2011 11:14 PM AT

Ground searches for missing New Glasgow woman Amber Kirwan didn't appear to be conducted Thursday, but police say the investigation into her disappearance is ongoing.

Police are going over evidence and tips found in the past few days.

Kirwan, 19, was last seen at about 1:30 a.m. Sunday when she left her friends at Dooly's pool hall to meet her boyfriend Mason Campbell.

Campbell is a person of interest in her disappearance.

Dooly's manager Chasity MacKinnon said she couldn't get it off her mind.

"I mean, we have eight staff, nine staff working at one time and just for no one to see her leave. It's upsetting," MacKinnon told CBC News.

She provided police the last glimpse of Kirwin from a security camera. MacKinnon said security footage shows Kirwan walking alone towards Big Al's Convenience.

People around town say they're hoping she'll be found safe.

Some employees of The Beauty Barn across the street from Dooly's say clients have said they don't feel safe leaving the salon alone after dark.

Police say while there appears to be a lull in the case, that's not true.

"This investigation is not scaled back, we're still investigating it as a missing persons investigation," said Const. Ken MacDonald.

Searches by five crews from across the province were conducted in the New Glasgow area Wednesday. New Glasgow Fire Rescue used three kayaks to search the East River, which runs through the centre of town.

No crews were seen Thursday.

"There's a lot of tips, there's a lot of information, there's a lot of evidence has been gathered from the public and as a result they have to analyze it."

MacDonald said analysis is being done by both New Glasgow police and officers from the RCMP major crime unit.

Police say some articles of clothing found during the search still haven't been identified as belonging to Kirwan.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/13/ns-ground-search-amber-kirwan.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/13/ns-ground-search-amber-kirwan.html)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 13, 2011, 09:56:43 PM
I am Mason's 'actual' mother. I raised him. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. I have no problem logging in under my 'actual' name. How about you? Didn't think so.

You seem to think you are the only one who knows the truth? Have you spoken to the authorities? Didn't think so. What exactly do you mean by the 'wrong side of the tracks'? This again proves you don't actually know Mason.

You may be able to persuade others in this forum that you are 'in the know'. However, those people that 'actually' know Mason are reading this and are realizing that you couldn't possibly know him.

As far as him planting the story about the sighting at the Needs store? I was at Needs and the woman was very convincing, the police were less convinced and rightly so it appears. But at the time we were all frantic, and willing to knock on the door of every crack house in town. I was disheartened to learn just how many 'known' drug houses there were. In the early hours we just wanted action, and it seemed like the police were going at a snails pace. But they were actually being meticulous.

Mason speaks to the media to keep Amber's name and likeness out there, fresh each day. He has to be careful what he says as not to hinder the efforts of the police so maybe he is not as articulate as he would like, would you be?

If you feel the need for attention, that is fine. You clearly did not know my son or Amber. As I write this I find I am not so much angry with you, as I pity you. Your mother must be so proud of you. (Oh that's right.....you don't post under your own name, so your mom won't ever know)

I live in the area and am growing tired of this sense of 'stick together and say nice things only' the kids have going on. They are all pretending that Amber wasn't actually really drunk, that she & Mason had a perfect warm & fuzzy relationship, that he was the bestest BF a girl could have...excuse me while I throw up.  :o

Yes, she was a nice girl but she got hooked up with a not so nice, guy with a bad attitude if you listen to the real talk about him. The stuff NOT being said on FB or in on camera interviews. He has that classic 'little man syndrome' ..you know , 5 ft tall wants to be 7 ft so has a chip on his shoulders, from the wrong side of the tracks so has another chip, somehow got a nice girl to like him...well she was insecure and he played on it.

The Mason he is showing the camera is not the Mason everyone normally sees strutting around. Its like he's been rehearsing in the mirror repeating the mantra...: must look meek & mild, must look meek & mild" / don't show anger/ don't show anger / wipe away pretend tear.

His god mother who raised him works in internet service providing or something like that so I think people may be spooked to speak out online. 

It is a real small area and someday the truth will come out, however it will likely be too late for poor Amber as I think she was grabbed off the street by Mason & a buddy. My gut has had a bad feeling about him from minute one.
Oh, he also started the Needs store rumor himself, He posted fthis from Ambers FB on Sunday night, then removed it all by Mon morning. Then when the other guy 'fake' guy gets blamed for making it all up Mason sits back & never says a word. Neither does Ambers friend who also posted this & has also changed her story a few times...hmm...( I removed the man's name for privacy.) 
:I HAVE RECEIVED A PHONE CAL THAT AMBER HAS BEEN SEEN TONIGHT AT THE NEED IN NEW GLASGOW AROUND 9 PM. SHE WAS ALSO SEEN LAST NIGHT AROUND 1 30 IN THE SAME LOCATION LAST NIGHT. SHE WAS SUPPOSEDLY SEEN WITH A R.R. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT ENTIRLY SURE , THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BUT WEE ALL KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE, I AM LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO CAN COME TO THE AREA OF THE NEEDS IN NEW GLASGOW ON THE EAST RIVER ROAD AND HELP LOCATE HER !! I AM ON MY WAY THERE NOW CONTACT ME AT 301**** ASAP, he is not positive on the name, but something close to that.



So... lots to think about in a small town.  :-\
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 13, 2011, 10:22:06 PM
All these questions have been asked and answered by police. You are not (and will not) get the whole story from a few sound bites on tv. Unless you are in law enforcement, you have not heard the 'boyfriends story'. 

Everyone seems to be filling in the blanks on their own, which is unfortunate.

Right now Amber is a missing person. What we are all focusing on is keeping her name and likeness out there, in everyone's faces. Posters, flyers, vigils even benefits. So when (when) someone sees her, wherever she is, there is no way on earth they WON'T recognise her.

I find it all very suspicious related to the boyfriend's story. Who saw him??? Why did he go home to his place and sleep without knowing where Amber was. If she told him to pick her up, how could he just dismiss that, it does not add up. And I don't care how much stress someone is under, you can basically remember what you did. You would make a list of names of who to call. He never once said or pleaded to the public for Amber's return. If he thought someone had her, why not plead to this unknown individual to release her.

If Mason was drinking at home that night, he may have been fuming and working himself into a fit of anger, because Amber was out enjoying herself. And possibly the whole thing blew up when he did pick her up. This is just something that could very well have happened.

And there was a poster that said there were a lot of people in the area that evening, at Big Al's convenience store and on the street after Dooley's closed. Somebody just had to see Amber walking to Big Al's. The only way someone could be taken so quickly is if there was a driver and someone took her. Other then that Amber got into a vehicle willingly.

But who saw Mason when he said he was waiting for Amber??? Those are questions if I was the police, that I would be asking. And how long did he supposedly wait for Amber. And why are her parents not out front and centre asking for the public's help in finding Amber? And would Amber pull a trick like this, I don't really think she would according to what friends say. I think something very bad happened to Amber.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 13, 2011, 10:23:34 PM

Please, let's not allow this thread to deteriorate into an argument between two divided sides. Those who think Mason is involved in Amber's disappearance, and those who do not. Clearly that is not productive. This thread is for Amber. There is only one focus here, and that is finding out what happened to her.

Anyone who has any information regarding Amber's disappearance is welcome to post it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 13, 2011, 10:39:09 PM
I posted earlier that she was not seen at Als but he was seen waiting for her. She never showed up. So my opinion is she was abducted on Provost street on her way to meet Mason. Maybe at the elks club. He took a chance and drove his car there and it showed on video. Who knows who was in waiting as she walked along such a short distance. I am sure he would have walked there but knew she said I will be there and he waited like I would have if my daughter told me to meet her there. maybe check out the excons.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: leonagleant on October 13, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
I agree. It's quite possible Amber willingly got into a vehicle with someone who told her they were driving up the road to the store for example. If she had been drinking, her judgement and reflexes may have been impaired. Let's not underestimate the police, who I'm sure are checking out the boyfriend's alibi and the camera at the store where he went to meet her.

I hope and pray Amber is alive.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 13, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
Thanks for your input sad333. I believe that all possibilities should, and likely are being looked at, by the police. It is very possible that Amber was taken off the street. Just because it is not common for a person to be abducted by a stranger, does not mean it doesn't happen. It does.

That having been said, of course the police will also look at everyone who is personally involved in Amber's life. It is a necessary part of the investigation, usually starting with those closest and moving out from there.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 07:56:20 AM
Just my two cents... I agree with all those commenting that it is odd for a family f be requesing donations at this stage. I have been involved in all kinds of operations similar to his and never seen that until after a subject is found. Does it mean something iswrong here.. no not at all.

I simple back the notion that it is not a standard procedure for most families. What we don't see however is any behind the scenes costs they are being hit with or know their financial situations. DO NOT take that as an insult as it is simply reminding people that we don't know.

Sgt. You say you work LE and you throw in "Acts" but you sound like you are falsifying who you are. No LE I know would suggest bringing in an outside PI to muddle an investigation and work outside the law because if and i say IF someone is guilty here a PI could scrap the case by messing up the investigation. Not to mention most LE would never think if trying to contact a detachment they aren't involved in to give them advice/theories... You let me know how that one works out.

Again just my opinion not meant to insult anyone however I feel more strongly that your posing than I do that Mason could have been involved.

GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 14, 2011, 08:41:49 AM
from GSAR_Mbr:
Quote
Sgt. You say you work LE and you throw in acts but you sound like you are falsifying who you are. No LE I know would suggest bringing in an outside PI to muddle an investigation and work outside the law because if and i say IF someone is guilty here a PI could scrap the case by messing up the investigation. Not to mention most LE would never think if trying to contact a detachment they aren't involved in to give them advice/theories... You let me know how that one works out.


Interesting that you brought this up GSAR. It is pretty much exactly what I thought upon reading this members post.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 08:59:19 AM


Interesting that you brought this up GSAR. It is pretty much exactly what I thought upon reading this members post.

:) To be honest I thought I might get my fingers rapped by your ruler for being so blunt and straight forward about it. I am glad that others had the same instinct as me.

 I would hate to accuse but where I work LE, even if this Man or Woman is LE they are breaking protocols and potentially risking a conviction should anything go to Trial. That makes all LE look sloppy and untrust worthy, people know from my previous posts I dont speak on files im involved in unless I am answering questions about General issues and not that File.

 No Sargeant would ever list they were a SGT and put a number designed to be a Badge/REG. Number in a forum.

-GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 14, 2011, 10:00:46 AM
The 'family' are NOT requesting donations. this is something the kids came up with. They want to help but don't know what else to do. We had started a bit of a 'kitty' so to speak for gas money for the kids who are driving around distributing flyers, the the family never asked for donations.

People here are only getting half truths and filling in the blank on their own. It is unfortunate, but expected.

Just my two cents... I agree with all those commenting that it is odd for a family f be requesing donations at this stage. I have been involved in all kinds of operations similar to his and never seen that until after a subject is found. Does it mean something iswrong here.. no not at all.

I simple back the notion that it is not a standard procedure for most families. What we don't see however is any behind the scenes costs they are being hit with or know their financial situations. DO NOT take that as an insult as it is simply reminding people that we don't know.

Sgt. You say you work LE and you throw in acts but you sound like you are falsifying who you are. No LE I know would suggest bringing in an outside PI to muddle an investigation and work outside the law because if and i say IF someone is guilty here a PI could scrap the case by messing up the investigation. Not to mention most LE would never think if trying to contact a detachment they aren't involved in to give them advice/theories... You let me know how that one works out.

Again just my opinion not meant to insult anyone however I feel more strongly that your posing than I do that Mason could have been involved.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 14, 2011, 10:02:37 AM
I do not know anyone in this forum. I do not know the Kirwan family on a personal level, and I do not know Mason's family or friends.  So this is a completely unbiased opinion.

But I can tell you a lot about Pictou County and it's widespread generosity to family and friends in need.   All of us know what it is like to try to make ends meet.  Also, I'm fairly positive few of you are aware of the family's financial situations, therefore it's not anyone's place to judge.    People from this area have come home to assist in ANY way they can.  So generating donations for the friends and family of Amber Kirwan is second nature.  Everyday that Mason, and Amber's family spends searching, is another day without the money to pay for groceries, gas, heating, and rent (as Amber was living with Mason, she probably split costs, therefore it is all resting squarely on his shoulders to pay for these necessities).   These are the things that they should not have to worry about, missing a daughter, loved one, it's heartbreaking enough.

 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 10:25:28 AM
The 'family' are NOT requesting donations. this is something the kids came up with. They want to help but don't know what else to do. We had started a bit of a 'kitty' so to speak for gas money for the kids who are driving around distributing flyers, the the family never asked for donations.

People here are only getting half truths and filling in the blank on their own. It is unfortunate, but expected.


Eva, I unerstand that you are having a hard time dealing with the current situation it makes perfect sense for you to be defensive as would I.

If you re read my post all I stated was that the post further above did not make sense as most families are too distraught to think of that. I am a Search & Rescue Volunteer I train at my expense, travel at provincial expense rate(if activated by a police agency) I do not get paid for my days missed at work or get my sleep back for nights spent travelling through the most dense brush and marshes searching for people I have never met and will never truley know. I have Thousands of dollars in personal gear which I use for these events as well as I have my personal dog who is currently being trained at my expense for Tracking.

I search for Suicidal People, Hunters, Lost Children, if they are lost I search... So I fully understand the monetary implications of a situation like this.

Im not trying to battle you on here and I simply wont as we dont know each other. All I would ask is that you stop judging the intentions of the posters on here as we are discussing what could be. I can gaurantee that unless you are guilty of something to do with Amber's Disappearance then you can not tell us fact for fact what has happened either.

We are all here just to voice what we think from the events shown.

-GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: scotsquine on October 14, 2011, 10:34:02 AM
I have a friend in New Glasgow and she tells me that everyone there is totally shocked that something like this could happen there.  She has sent me pictures with hundreds of candles being lit for amber.  She says that the whole town is distressed and rallying around to help in any way.  They are all praying that Amber is found safe.  The kids, teens are scared and are being told to stay in groups.  I know that the BF or husband is always the first person police look at, regardless of the situation.  There are a lot of sex offenders in nearby Halifax, not sure about New Glasgow.  I just pray that they find her safe and soon!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 14, 2011, 10:51:37 AM
My heart goes out to both families. And I hope that the funds raised will hellp the families to continue with the search. It appears to me that the police are putting forth every effort, pulling out all of the stops in locating this young lady. I wish other communities would have the same spirit of "team work in searches" that Pictou County has shown.
I am hoping that Mason will be able to step back, and get some rest (sleep deprivation is not a good thing) especially when being around police, or being scrutinized by the public (tv). This is a difficult time for both families.This is just my opinion.
If the clothes belong to Amber then it goes without saying that her missing would not have a positive outcome.  We are all hoping that they are not!!

JB


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 14, 2011, 11:03:25 AM
every time a situation like this happens donation jars are set out. To me this is nothing new. This happened in the Karrissa boudreau case almost right away. Houses lost to fire,lethal car accidents that children have lost parent etc etc etc....geez.

im not being mean here, but what exactly is the big deal about donations that everyone is stuck on. We have a young girl missing, with the possibility of some articles being found that may belong to her, and everyone is up in arms over donations.?????  Way back on post #56 I explained why donations start and what they are generally used for...

Get a grip
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: scotsquine on October 14, 2011, 11:06:26 AM
Does anyone have a link to Mason's interview?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 14, 2011, 11:13:01 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/12/ns-amber-kirwan-boyfriend-questioned.html

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 14, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
The only thing I can add to this post is that I sure would have appreciated donations when my brother was missing.  I give coutos to the people doing so.  When My brother was missing I ended up having to sell my house, to finance searching for him and had to start all over again with three young kids, not easy.  The idea of gas money to search is an excellent idea in my opinion.  All the help I am sure is appreciated and will help in finding her. Hope the town unite and find her.  Prayers for both familys.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 14, 2011, 12:21:19 PM
Abraxis.

You use internet websites as reference points to back up suspicions of lying and then assume that someone is in fact being dishonest.... Then have the gull to call me lazy?

I am really not (oh no, I used I AM instead of I'm) in the mood to discuss linguistics with you.  If major crime units based their arrests on that sort of "lazy" assumption, our jails would be over-crowed with proper-speaking deviants.....it would be a regular Hannibal Lector Ho-down so to speak! :P :o

Your website is loaded with various pointers Abraxis. But it fails to take into account that each person responds to different situations in different manners.  I agree there are ways to determine if someone is lying (you would know what Mason's are if you were very close to him), but these "suggestive mannerisms" are not fail-proof. Therefore, the next time you decide to point fingers please...perhaps you should learn a bit more about humanity.  Btw.....my four year old does not use contractions EVER, he has shifty eyes, can't sit still, and has a false-looking grin.   I guess he must be a continuous liar.






Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 14, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
You are reading only what the media portrays (I have spoken to the media, it's stressful, and if you have anxiety it makes it even harder to remember everything you need to say).  A reporter takes notes. NOT emotions.  Go talk to the boy yourself if you want some concrete opinions.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 14, 2011, 12:57:21 PM
I cannot understand why the police are not warning people to be careful when walking at night. They said its just a missing persons case only. They do not want to alarm the public.
I wouldn't want my kids out walking alone until we know what has happened. Maybe they think she has just run away. I guess they are right saying its a missing person case right now so no reason for the public to worry. They said the same thing last year in Nb when the lady had been kidnapped.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 14, 2011, 01:18:06 PM
I can't believe the posts on here... 90% of them are people arguing about nothing they can possibly know. If everyone put as much effort into looking for Amber as they do at trying to point fingers they might have actually found her by now. In my opinion I dont give a crap what happened or who did it, we just need to find this poor young girl and let the police point fingers. As a mother myself I cannot even begin to imagine what her poor parents are going through right now, my heart goes out to them and Amber wherever she may be. I pray every day someone finds her or comes forward with some solid leads at the very least. And people remember, pointing fingers can seriously mess up an innocent persons life. Everyone saying that Mason had to have had something to do with this is going to make his life very hard for the rest of his life. Everyone will always be second guessing him and his actions. IT IS NOT FAIR TO HIM THAT PEOPLE ARE TREATING HIM THIS WAY! Once everything is said and done and Mason is said to be innocent, how will you feel knowing you just screwed up a young mans life for good?!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 14, 2011, 01:25:55 PM
It is disrespectful to have arguing going on in this thread. Keep in mind that there is a young girl missing here and that needs to be our focus. Please get back to discussing Amber's disappearance. That is what this thread is for.

Any further posts that are written in an argumentative manner will be removed. 


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 14, 2011, 01:38:03 PM
Halifax I believe that he was seen on the video at Big Al's but Amber was not. She was seen at Doolys walking towards Big Al's. It was such a short walk she must have been taken within minutes of leaving the club. Its so sad that in todays world all this crap goes on. We went through this last year with the NB case. She was taken by a total stranger and just taken off the face of the earth.  No one could understand how she walked or was taken for 2 kil and no one saw anything. So it can happen and maybe this is what happened in NG.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 01:46:19 PM
It is disrespectful to have arguing going on in this thread. Keep in mind that there is a young girl missing here and that needs to be our focus. Please get back to discussing Amber's disappearance. That is what this thread is for.

Any further posts that are written in an argumentative manner will be removed.

So glad this has been posted as I was considering quite politely posting my final thoughts at some people and leaving. It is simply that people are looking to voice their thoughts on here, some people cant be out searching on this case.

My final rebuttle is going to be simple and DebbieC as an admin please feel free to remove it if you wish I have no need to add stress in a forum over a missing person.

It was posted above asking if I would like a fundraiser for the time I spent on here and to that poster all I have seen in your posts is abraisivness, this is a forum which for lack of a better explaination is here for open discussion of all thoughts. I posted what my expenses are because I was attempting to explain that I understand the cost of a Search way better than you as I RUN searches. I have to account for the costs the members put out for each call out we respond to and was also trying to show the lengths I go to in an effort to show that I dont hold back when I can get out there and bring a loved one home.

Im done on this forum topic unless anyone has questions regarding stuff I may be able to answer due to my experience.

Hopefully Amber is found safe and alive and is home soon.

GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 01:56:26 PM
I am a first time poster but have been following the case very closely. I noticed that in Amber's profile that someone very recently uploaded a video of cats playing from  Amber's phone. I find it strange that someone 1) Multiple people (including her boyfriend) have access to her facebook account and that 2) A person is uploading a video of a cat playing and people laughing.

I do not know if this was from her phone but people are saying it is. I don't know who else has access to her facebook account except her boyfriend. However if I were her boyfriend I would not be posting messages and videos from her account.

I am not making any assumptions or placing blame. I wonder who it is in the video and if it is recent or someone just uploaded an old video from her phone as some sort of memory of her.

So many holes in this case...I hope they find her!!

Alas I find my self opening my mouth yet again.. If it is from her phone it is likely that her account was still logged in, this could have been posted in error or she could have been logged into a friends phone and someone else the owner of the phone uploaded a video they thought to their account but now find they werent the one logged in the phone.

Just the Technician in me thinking.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: calorumado on October 14, 2011, 03:05:55 PM
praying this beautiful young lady gets located soon.. hopefully safe and healthy. as time goes by, from previous cases we know this likely is not the case. but i just want to remind you all that although horrible acts have been happening - we have also seen amazing recoveries... the little boy from bc, the woman from moncton nb... theres a chance she is still safe!

i think the police know A LOT more than they are letting on, and personally am hoping the fact they did not do a ground search yesterday as a sign they received a good lead that meant they no longer had to search for answers
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: calorumado on October 14, 2011, 03:08:25 PM
ALSO - the cell phone comments are true. cell phones stay logged on facebook for a long time (like over a month) without having to be logged in again.. and depending on her phone she may have never had to log in... for example if she had a smartphone she would have been using the ap. if she had logged into her facebook on a friends phone that night as she did not have her cell phone with her, there might be a chance she forgot to log off... its kind of tedious on a cell phone
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 14, 2011, 05:19:57 PM
Apparently her mother posted it. It is of Amber's cat.

According to Amber's facebook the Boyfriend's mother posted it.   Why would she have access to Amber's FB & Cell.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 14, 2011, 06:29:13 PM
We all are praying for Amber's safe return. It has to be very stressful for family members. What we usually do is try to question what could have happened to Amber. We just worry because the time has gone by now to almost a week since Amber disappeared, a long time for someone to be missing. I do hope that the police have valueable information as to what may have happened to Amber. The police obviously know more then we do and we will just have to sit by and wait for the results of their investigation. Thoughts and prayers are with family and friends of Amber.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 14, 2011, 06:40:33 PM
hags.nook, can you put that link here where that report was? And have the police checked that report? Just wondering. ???
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 14, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
Quote hags.nook

And why has Mason Campbell's family not come forth in his defense
?  And who ever wrote the Face Book Fake Police Report day 1 is very likely the same person responsible for Amber's disappearance. Unquote.

His mother did come forth in his defence, at least on this site.
See her posts #81, #82 & Post 98. Her first name is Eva.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 14, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
Does anyone have a link to Mason's interview?

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20111010/nova-scotia-town-searches-for-missing-woman-111010/

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Local_News/NS/1317909223/ID=2152455374
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 14, 2011, 07:06:11 PM
hags.nook, can you put that link here where that report was? And have the police checked that report? Just wondering. ???

The FB page was "New Glasgow Police"..It was a fake site and I believe it has now been taken down.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 07:35:58 PM
praying this beautiful young lady gets located soon.. hopefully safe and healthy. as time goes by, from previous cases we know this likely is not the case. but i just want to remind you all that although horrible acts have been happening - we have also seen amazing recoveries... the little boy from bc, the woman from moncton nb... theres a chance she is still safe!

i think the police know A LOT more than they are letting on, and personally am hoping the fact they did not do a ground search yesterday as a sign they received a good lead that meant they no longer had to search for answers




My personal reasoning in my mind for the lack of more grou d searching is they are burning out searchers and have little else to cover so far. I would not think that it is because of evidence at this stage but as im not involved in this case thats just a thought from past experiences.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 14, 2011, 07:41:49 PM



My personal reasoning in my mind for the lack of more grou d searching is they are burning out searchers and have little else to cover so far. I would not think that it is because of evidence at this stage but as im not involved in this case thats just a thought from past experiences.

GSAR_Mbr......no offense but your font color is very difficult to read.  It hurts my old eyes....  :(

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 14, 2011, 07:52:02 PM
No offense taken, I shall make a concius effort to stop coding the entire text and go back to just coding my Sig.

-GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 14, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
I played the ctv.ca segment. Mason looked at the camera when he gave the reason for not picking her up at Dooley's.  He was very straight forward, and was looking directly into the camera. And he  made brief eye  contact with the camera with everything else that he said.

This really says very little in a way...(although it is telling to some posters that he is holding back.)  There may well be another reason.

He could be feeling guilty and ashamed of himself,  because he didn't pick her up,  These are two ways of looking at it. 

We have two families who are in a deep crisis.
I send my best wishes to both families, with hopes that Amber will be found quickly and found safe.

Peace
JB


 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: grich on October 14, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
can someone from pictou county verify that half of the posters up, including the posters originally put up with the grad picture of amber, have telephone numbers that belong to amber's friend on them instead of the new glasgow police number?  someone has suggested on face book that this number belongs to mason campbell.  i am not positive if this is true or not.  further, it has been suggested  (in a news article) that mason gave the NG police a run down of his leads during the 4 or so hours of interrogation he went thought.  why does this child have leads?

if this is true about him giving out his own number and collecting his own leads - does this not represent a problem to anyone?  irregardless of the role this young man played in amber's disappearance, i am unclear as to why he has been given so much power in this situation and even more shocked over how sustainable it has been for him.  someone should be taking the posters down in new glasgow that provide people with numbers that do not reach the police station or crime stoppers directly. 

i am also unclear as to why pictou county has postered over 11,000 posters in their own community spaces (up to 11,00 posters have been donated alone on top of ones printed by individuals as reported by the news).  to me that seems representative of a town who is hysterical or possibly allowing their children to run the postering campaign.  don't get me wrong, i of course am in full support of making sure the message of amber's disappearance is out loud and clear, but plastering your own county from top to bottom in the same poster is only creating an environmental concern.  perhaps the children should be encouraged to brainstorm logical, reasonable and constructive ways to lend a hand during this tough time.   
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Concerned123 on October 14, 2011, 11:09:40 PM
I live in the area and am growing tired of this sense of 'stick together and say nice things only' the kids have going on. They are all pretending that Amber wasn't actually really drunk, that she & Mason had a perfect warm & fuzzy relationship, that he was the bestest BF a girl could have...excuse me while I throw up.  :o

Yes, she was a nice girl but she got hooked up with a not so nice, guy with a bad attitude if you listen to the real talk about him. The stuff NOT being said on FB or in on camera interviews. He has that classic 'little man syndrome' ..you know , 5 ft tall wants to be 7 ft so has a chip on his shoulders, from the wrong side of the tracks so has another chip, somehow got a nice girl to like him...well she was insecure and he played on it.

The Mason he is showing the camera is not the Mason everyone normally sees strutting around. Its like he's been rehearsing in the mirror repeating the mantra...: must look meek & mild, must look meek & mild" / don't show anger/ don't show anger / wipe away pretend tear.

His god mother who raised him works in internet service providing or something like that so I think people may be spooked to speak out online. 

It is a real small area and someday the truth will come out, however it will likely be too late for poor Amber as I think she was grabbed off the street by Mason & a buddy. My gut has had a bad feeling about him from minute one.
Oh, he also started the Needs store rumor himself, He posted fthis from Ambers FB on Sunday night, then removed it all by Mon morning. Then when the other guy 'fake' guy gets blamed for making it all up Mason sits back & never says a word. Neither does Ambers friend who also posted this & has also changed her story a few times...hmm...( I removed the man's name for privacy.) 
:I HAVE RECEIVED A PHONE CAL THAT AMBER HAS BEEN SEEN TONIGHT AT THE NEED IN NEW GLASGOW AROUND 9 PM. SHE WAS ALSO SEEN LAST NIGHT AROUND 1 30 IN THE SAME LOCATION LAST NIGHT. SHE WAS SUPPOSEDLY SEEN WITH A R.R. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT ENTIRLY SURE , THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BUT WEE ALL KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE, I AM LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO CAN COME TO THE AREA OF THE NEEDS IN NEW GLASGOW ON THE EAST RIVER ROAD AND HELP LOCATE HER !! I AM ON MY WAY THERE NOW CONTACT ME AT 301**** ASAP, he is not positive on the name, but something close to that.



So... lots to think about in a small town.  :-\

Hello Chills... I'm very curious as to the name that you refer to as R.R. The reason for that is because I've had a past personal experience with an R.R. in PC area. Please fill me in with the full name if you know of it, it would be greatly apperciated, Thanks .... ps. If you are not comfortable posting it on here, you can send a private msg.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2011, 12:06:34 AM
I briefly looked at the news reports of this case and read some comments posted here. sorry I am just catching up on this now.

Normally, I am the first person to suspect boyfriends or husbands in cases like this. It is a fact most disappearances are caused by the men they are with.

But in this case, I am not seeing anything that jumps out. If anything, I am asking this:

Where was she? Why didn't she want to be picked up where she was?

The boyfriend's cell phone and car will give police ample opportunity to examine him. But I am not so sure he did anything and I hope we will refrain from blaming him just yet. She is young and very well could have ran away, there has been countless times when women that young run away and family and friends thought they'd never do that.

I hope she did just run away and will come home or call soon.

The alternative obviously is grim. And I would want to know where she was at, who was there, and why did she want to be picked up?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2011, 12:16:19 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/13/ns-ground-search-amber-kirwan.html

Police Quote
Quote
"There's a lot of tips, there's a lot of information, there's a lot of evidence has been gathered from the public and as a result they have to analyze it."

MacDonald said analysis is being done by both New Glasgow police and officers from the RCMP major crime unit.

Well, if they have video of her leaving the pool hall, then they must have video inside the pool hall.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2011, 12:40:19 AM
Probably because they already know what happened, just building a case now against someone, or convinced she ran away.

I cannot understand why the police are not warning people to be careful when walking at night. They said its just a missing persons case only. They do not want to alarm the public.
I wouldn't want my kids out walking alone until we know what has happened. Maybe they think she has just run away. I guess they are right saying its a missing person case right now so no reason for the public to worry. They said the same thing last year in Nb when the lady had been kidnapped.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2011, 01:05:57 AM
OK I read as much as I could find about this. I do have a couple of questions.

1) when she did not show up at the store, did the boyfriend drive the short distance to the pool hall to see if she was still there?
2) what was her original plans for getting home? based on his comments, he was not expecting to go get her.
3) Is there a sense that something bad happened to her? The BF keeps referring to her in teh past tense?

I am not tring to case doubt on the boyfriend. I do have other questions that I am sure cannot be answered.

1) did someone follow Amber out of the pool hall shortly after she left?
2) is there residents close by who would have heard a scream or is this a business district?
3) was there a male who showed a strong interest in Amber at the pool hall?

I still think the police have at this time, a lot of evidence. the days of arresting and charging a suspect are over, due diligence is in. They need to build a strong case first before they can arrest anyone unless a solid confession is made.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Concerned123 on October 15, 2011, 02:01:30 AM
I will try and answer your questions to the best of my ability.

In our little town of new Glasgow we are usually i tightly knit bunch where everyone seem to know everyone, that said,
I find it rather strange that Big Al's which is a store is in eye shot of Doolys the bar Amber was last seen at on camera leaving in the direction of Big Al's.
Now she left Doolys heading to Big Als, but some how never made it there. The boyfriend calms he waited for her but she never showed. If some grabbed her on the way I am almost sure someone would have seen or heard her as well as the perp, if not someone, the boyfriend would / should have been able to see her leave the front door... so therefore did he show up at the store before or after she left the bar? not sure that information has not been release as of just yet. According to the boyfriends statement they agreed to meet up at the store because he wasn't able to legally drive after twelve o'clock ( reason i don't know exactly ) but this is where it gets a bit tricky so try and keep up...

The boyfriend goes to the store to meet up with Amber, it is being said that he is on the camera from the store being outside, but what time did he arrive at the store and what time did he leave? is a good question. Now I don't want to point fingers, but you tell me.
If your girl friend is usually pretty damn good at being where she says she is gonna be, when she says she is gonna be there and for some reason is not, would you not kinda worry? ...even just a little. Guys will be guys, I mean girlfriend at the bar, doesn't meet up with you on time, guys tend to get a bit jealous, right!? maybe that's not the case, but still if your girlfriend doesn't show on time and you cannot drive to the bar where she is at because of your limitations, then why i ask did he not choose to walk to the bar and check to see what was holding her up from meeting with him? For that matter for a fellow who was not able to drive to the bar to pick her up he " skimmed up and down the street / road " that runs along the same little area as the bar does, looking for her. As well another question on my mind, the boyfriends also claims he was drinking earlier that evening, but with whom? if anyone? Now we have all heard tell of alcohol being a confident booster right? who to say Amber knew he was drink and why would she call someone who was drinking to come and pick her up? It is only a really short distance between the bar and the store as I said you can stand in the parking lot of the store and watch as people come and go from the bar's doors. There are lots of near by houses that would of heard a scream or even a yell, but in a town like ours, where stuff like this doesn't happen to often, ( not of this nature anyways ) would / could have been simply brushed off as drunks from the bar blowing of steam or kids horse playing. Okay so I am not a CSI nor do I wanna come off as i think I am, but I would like for you to just think about these questions with an open mind::

1) Mason talks about her how he" loved" her and how he was "gonna marry her "
2) Did Amber know Mason was drink earlier and if so with whom?
3) Did Amber know he was drinking and if so why would she wanna put him in harms why to drive to pick her up instead of taking a cab like she did to get to the bar?
4) What better cover would you have if you felt you were gonna be a prime suspect in a case than to be at the front lines of search parties and vigils and so on and so forth?
5) How did know one from the bar see Amber after she left the bar that night on her way to the store, how did mason not see her on her way out the door and on her way to the store?
6) Why does a close friend of Amber's state when asked what she thinks happen reply " The obvious "and then not elaborate?
7) Why is it the main search point of the police so far has been consentrated ( even though it was said to be widened ) in around the same area from New Glasgow to Trenton?
8 ) Why does it seem as if Mason is trying to put himself out there more so than the Mother and Father of Amber?
9) Why when asked question during his statement with the news does him seem rather calm for a fellow with a missing girlfriend ( mind you a bit fidgety) with his eye i might add... It is said people who recall thing tend to look to the right, and those who lie and make up stories tend to look to the left as he does during his statement, quite a bit I might add. ( the reason for this for those of you who don't know, it is said the left part of your brain is for imagination and the right is for memory )
10) If the police know everything about Masons doing that night, then why is it mason still remains a suspect in this case?
11) When he asks for help finding Amber he says "call me" not call the authorities if you know something he says "call me" why must he know first?
12) Why is it we hear the buyfriends name being said so much but not the fathers or mothers or the little brother or the best friends...it seems to be Mason... Mason... Mason.... Which bring me back to putting yourself out front where you have an alibi for your where about and doings and people see and hear you and feel more comfortable with your supposed innocence coincidence?? Hmmmm!
13) If my girl friend of 3 1/2 years is gone missing and I fear the worst..I be balling like a damn baby because that's just human nature
 "gotta stay tough cause I'm i guy, and guys don't show emotions " or " Gotta keep my composure so i don't slip up and make a mistake "
So there you have it folks, You tell me what you think?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 06:04:23 AM
OK I read as much as I could find about this. I do have a couple of questions.

1) when she did not show up at the store, did the boyfriend drive the short distance to the pool hall to see if she was still there?
2) what was her original plans for getting home? based on his comments, he was not expecting to go get her.
3) Is there a sense that something bad happened to her? The BF keeps referring to her in teh past tense?

I am not tring to case doubt on the boyfriend. I do have other questions that I am sure cannot be answered.

1) did someone follow Amber out of the pool hall shortly after she left?
2) is there residents close by who would have heard a scream or is this a business district?
3) was there a male who showed a strong interest in Amber at the pool hall?

I still think the police have at this time, a lot of evidence. the days of arresting and charging a suspect are over, due diligence is in. They need to build a strong case first before they can arrest anyone unless a solid confession is made.

Chris, alot of your questions have been answered in posts above. He did not drive the short distance because his car was past inspection, he was under the infiluence and he was not allowed to drive after midnight. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: halifax902 on October 15, 2011, 07:35:47 AM
Also, I think Amber's friend Maggie is doing such am amazing job.  On the FB page last night she was even being attacked by some people which is really sad.  I don't know any of these people but she is a 19 year old girl doing her best for her friend.  How or why anyone could attack her is beyond me.  She was being accused of 'defending Mason'. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 07:45:16 AM
Also, I think Amber's friend Maggie is doing such am amazing job.  On the FB page last night she was even being attacked by some people which is really sad.  I don't know any of these people but she is a 19 year old girl doing her best for her friend.  How or why anyone could attack her is beyond me.  She was being accused of 'defending Mason'.

She did defend him when asked point blank on last nights CTV suppertime news.  These kids need to stay off the telly. They are setting themselves up for these types of attacks. Yes, the media is looking for angles and the kids think they are helping "find" Amber by allowing themselves to be interviewed.  The media are looking to fill airspace and these young people are accommodating. Perhaps the family should have a spokesperson to address media inquiries. 

I note that there have been no media interviews with police for a couple of days.  This would indicate to me that they are on to something.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 15, 2011, 08:25:39 AM
Hello, all. I'm from New Glasgow, so I thought I'd answer a couple of questions about the area.

Amber left her friends outside of Dooly's around 1:30 a.m. The pool hall is on the corner of George Street (a one-way street up the hill) and Archimedes. She would've crossed at the lights, walked by a boarding house on her right and then the road slightly juts out, thanks to a realignment a year or so back, so there's not a clear view of Big Al's thanks to some trees. A car stopping just beyond that wouldn't be questioned by anyone as there's a yield where the road ends and turns into the two-way North Provost St.

During her walk, on the left side of the road is the Elk's Club - closed at that time - and a completely empty vacant lot where the old Commercial Equipment building was until this summer. People use it for parking now. As Amber neared the place the road juts out, on her left would be the legion - again closed - the legion parking lot and a used clothing store, with Big Al's right up against that, although set back a bit from the road with parking out front. Not sure if Big Al's cameras could see around the corner of the used clothing store - I doubt they would be pointed in that direction, I'd assume they'd be pointed towards its own parking lot.

On Amber's right - likely where she was walking, as that's the side with the sidewalk and streetlights, she'd have no reason to cross before getting to Big Al's, is again the boarding house, the little jut out, then a fenced area around some power poles, and an old house turned into apartments. There are some houses along that road - most are old, converted into apartments, and I would guess their owners are used to people screaming and hollering when the bars let out. I live about a 15 minute walk away, up in the "good" section up the hill, and we can sometimes hear them in the summers when the windows are open. Our court has actually cracked down on drunks who fight after the bars close because of the disturbance they cause to the neighbourhood. So I doubt anyone would really notice a scream. Beyond Big Al's on the left, there's the railway tracks and not much else. It's all very close - it would really only take someone sober three minutes to walk it. Her friends say she only had one drink at the bar, but she was likely drinking beforehand, that's what people do here. Her friend has said she wasn't "super, super drunk" that night. So drunk, going a bit slower because she's tired, I'd say it would still be no more than six minutes to get there.

That section of town is dark, I drove it the other night and was really struck by just how dark that corner in particular really is. I don't think anyone - no matter how many people were milling about outside Dooly's that night - would've noticed if she'd been grabbed into a car, especially if it happened right at that corner where the road turns into another and the brush blocks it from view. If she was grabbed, I think it happened there. Interestingly, that's also where the police found the shoe.

Once you turn that corner, however, you're out of sight of the traffic from downtown. It's pretty empty and lonely.

I've got a couple theories. I think she was either grabbed there, at the corner, before she came in view of Big Al's cameras, or maybe the car was driven by someone she knew. It was really warm that day, but the temperature dropped quickly that night and she didn't have a coat. People in Pictou County - especially the ones born and bred here - know each other, and think nothing of stopping if someone is walking and offering a ride. Maybe she was cold, drunk, her feet hurt from dancing, the driver offered to wait with her, or she figured she could get a ride home before the boyfriend even left, and she got into the car willingly - and it was the wrong person to trust.

It's also incredibly likely she got to Big Al's before the boyfriend and decided to keep on walking towards home, figuring he'd see her. That stretch of road is really lonely, as I said, particularly if she crossed the train tracks and went around the s-turn. Then she'd have a big graveyard on one side and houses set further back from the road. It's another really dark corner.

Let's assume for a moment that no one grabbed her. What if she's stumbling along, walking for home, and she falls out in the street? What if the timing is wrong and a drunk driver is coming along behind her and can't stop, hitting her? What if he panicked, threw her in the car and dumped her somewhere? We have a LOT of drunk drivers here - likely why there's no real outrage that the boyfriend himself had been drinking and was coming to get her - and there's a lot of wooded areas. People make bad decisions when they're drunk, I could see this scenario happening just as easily as someone grabbing her.

For what it's worth, I don't think it was the boyfriend. I know he's told the paper that someone else was in the car with him when he left the party they were at to go get her, but it's not been reported in the paper because they can't confirm that, police aren't saying. With the mindset of these kids, it doesn't surprise me that he drove to Big Al's and waited there - it's common for cops to either park outside Dooly's or cruise by every few minutes as it lets out. It makes sense to me that when she didn't show up and no one answered his phone call or text from the phone she used, that he figured she changed her mind and went on partying with the girls. After all, the best friend wasn't too alarmed either.

The first posters that went up had the boyfriend's and the best friend's phone numbers. The police didn't issue the alert to the media to call crimestoppers until the next morning at 7 a.m. People were making the posters that Sunday night.

That first day or two, some people thought maybe she went home with someone else and was embarrassed to show up, but that's clearly not the case anymore, not after a week.

The community seems to be split - people seem to want to think the boyfriend did something to her because domestic abuse happens and it's a lot less scary than the other concept, that someone else, a stranger, took her. I don't think this kid ran off, no one in the community does. How far could she get if she ran off in a pair of flats and a sweater, with very little money and not even a purse? Unless one of the wildest theories I've heard is true and she really just hopped a train.

I wish you could see the downtown. It's absolutely plastered with this girl's face. I passed one power pole yesterday that had three posters, one on top of the other. There are billboards. There were two 12-year-olds, walking around downtown, wearing posters - honk for Amber.

I don't think we need more posters, not in this area. People are aware of her, trust me. But I think the kids want to do something, and posters and flyers are what they have. So they keep papering the area (I'd love to know who is going to take those down!) I see on the FB page, people have alerted Anderson Cooper, Oprah and the NHL (not sure what hockey players are going to do?) A lot of cars have her poster in them now, too. They're all getting hysterical and feeding on each other, and it's just mounting more and more. Not that they don't have a right to - it's scary! - but I worry they won't be able to deal with things should the worst happen after such a prolonged state of absolute panic. There are rumours every hour about her body being found in the river (not sure why the river, specifically, seems to be the area of choice - it's not too far, but it's not exactly easy to get to unless you toss something over the George Street Bridge or the Connector). I actually find it interesting that they keep saying the river and not any of the wooded areas - wonder if someone knows something???

I can understand the benefit and the fundraising, as well. That's just what we do here - heck, there was a benefit this summer for someone with a broken leg. My coworkers and I called it two days before it was announced, that there would be one.

The girl's parents aren't talking to the media - they released one written statement - and say that they're considering speaking to the media but need to clear it with police. So far there hasn't been anything else from them. I'm guessing that might happen Monday if nothing else breaks before then.

Police have told the media that they frankly have nothing to go on. It's like the girl vanished into nowhere.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 15, 2011, 08:27:53 AM
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I note that there have been no media interviews with police for a couple of days.  This would indicate to me that they are on to something.

That doesn't say that to me. How many times can you print or air poor Const. Ken MacDonald saying that "We are treating this as a missing person's case and following up every lead."
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 08:47:42 AM
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I note that there have been no media interviews with police for a couple of days.  This would indicate to me that they are on to something.

That doesn't say that to me. How many times can you print or air poor Const. Ken MacDonald saying that "We are treating this as a missing person's case and following up every lead."

Well, poor Cst MacDonald is not longer lead in this...RCMP Major Crime is now in charge. A police appeal/news conference is over due. I agree, if there was nothing new- there is nothing new. But it's time RCMP made a statement.

...and from the sounds of the scanner- the media is trying to get a statement from RCMP
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 09:22:06 AM
RJ  - I also am from New Glasgow and I agree with everything you have just said. I also do not think that her boyfriend has had anything to do with it, I think it was totally random. I'm not convinced there was an accident though, just a horrbile random snatching.

I do however strongly think the police have MUCH more than they are willing to share. There has been a rumour floating around for days now that they found her body on the marshy side of the river by the power plant and that only the immediate family has been notified. I 'almost' believe this to be the case and that they are keeping it quiet while they investigate it. That would explain why her parents ahve been public yet. Either way, they wouldn't have just stopped searching outside unless they had some hard evidence telling them they could. The RCMP Major Crimes wouldn't have been brought in unless they knew there was a MAJOR crime - inevitably a murder I would think. I HATE HATE HATE to even think it, but I just can't see anything else that makes sense right now. I'm not very eloquent with explaining my reasoning, I know. People are DESPERATE for some answers and I think if we don't start getting some answers then people will start taking things into there own hands and dealing with it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 10:26:38 AM
Mason stated that they had this pick up arrangements (meet ab big Al's) for quite some time. I too wonder why he didn't walk to Dooleys and pick her up. He did say that he was tired (and that makes sense)  He said that he wasn't prepared for this!  In other words if he could look into  the future, he would have walked there and picked her up. IMO

I do not believe that Mason had anything to do with her disapparance.

Look, usually domestic disputes end in the home, after couples  arrive back home and the arguments are continued. This was not the case.   As  some  posters suggested, perhaps someone offered her a ride, or grabbed her up the street , as she began her walk.


JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RubyRose on October 15, 2011, 10:51:31 AM
Thank you, RJ, for providing such a clear picture of the area.  It makes possible scenarios much easier to visualize.

I would agree that with the entrance of the RCMP Major Crimes Unit into the case it has definitely taken on a more serious tone (not that it wasn't serious before but now just seems less and less likely to have a positive outcome).

While I do believe that some of her boyfriend's behaviour may come across as being a little strange, I, too, feel it unlikely he had anything to do with her disappearance.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
SAR have been called back in by the police starting tomorrow morning 7am. I wonde rif they have a better idea of where to look or if they are "flying blind"?

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 11:58:06 AM
I think they will find her tomorrow, at the very least, or within the next few days. Something is telling the police that this is probably local.
re: cops stating that she is missing, yet the case under RCMP criminal investigation.  Police will always say MIssing, because she is,  technically missing.

Police suspect Homicide, therefore they brought in the RCMP.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 12:05:23 PM
I agree JB. Odds are not great based on who's now involved with the investigation and the words they are choosing to say to the media. They have to cover their asses if their efforts aren't resolving anything.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 15, 2011, 12:10:04 PM
I do hope they find Amber. But I think if the police found her remains they would say so. They might have credible information that she was seen with someone and they have to keep the clues close to their chest. But it would be nice if the RCMP updated the public and made some kind of announcement. It is very scary, it is a week tonite since Amber went missing. I hope they have a candlelight ceremony for her and bring some peace to those who are looking for her. Maybe if her friends gathered and had prayers in a setting like that, it would help get them through all of this. God bless you and the community who is helping to find the young lady.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 12:31:37 PM
We have had a prayer circle on Monday night, a beautiful candle light vigil on Wednesday, a prayer gathering on Thursday, and tonight there is another candle lit walk 12am-2am to represent the approx time she went missing. Today there was a fundraising "human ribbon" photographed (green ribbon to represent lost children) and Amber's family were there. It's nice that they were able to come see what everyone is doing to help lessen their burden. A lot of "events" have been organized, and although they are thoughtful, they are so emotionally exhausting for our community. I totally understand that people are feeling like they need to do something though, and these things are what they are coming up with. Our local businesses have been huge supporters in helping raise awareness and money, but honestly - we need to put all our concentration back to finding her ASAP.
My fingers are crossed that Amber is found safe and this nightmare will be over for her.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Levi on October 15, 2011, 02:16:23 PM
they are now posting that 'they' heard on the scanner
water search & rescue crews have been called as well as RCMP helicopter ...ASAP
nobody knows why or what is going on!
OMG, hope this is not bad news , but seems they are looking in the water
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Wanderlei on October 15, 2011, 02:18:45 PM
latest reports have SAR as well as helicopters called out ASAP !!! local residents reporting cops , k9 units , forensic truck out in wooded area near Scoth Hill !!! this is alarming cause they were not supposed to start searching to 7 am tomorrow. Worried to say the least  :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Levi on October 15, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
MAP showing Heathbell Rd : http://g.co/maps/btnqg
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 02:51:34 PM
The tension in the air right now in this community is palpable I'm telling you. I think at this point we are all expecting the worse. I can't help but sit here in tears waiting for something, ANYTHING to be said. 6pm news is supposed to have some sort of media release - probably CBC and CTV. A girl on the FB group lives right there where they are searching and said she saw someone being lowered from a helicopter into the water. What else could it be? :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=6773

The above link is the local broadcast scanner....very quiet.

I also have a Grecom PSR 500c which picks up a fair bit more.  By law I am not allowed to report what I hear..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 03:25:55 PM
The tension in the air right now in this community is palpable I'm telling you. I think at this point we are all expecting the worse. I can't help but sit here in tears waiting for something, ANYTHING to be said. 6pm news is supposed to have some sort of media release - probably CBC and CTV. A girl on the FB group lives right there where they are searching and said she saw someone being lowered from a helicopter into the water. What else could it be? :'(

Which facebook? Can you send the link to us, as she has a few of them.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
They did call in New Glasgow Water Rescue a few hours ago.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 03:41:15 PM
Someone in that area must have "spotted something in the water", and that may be why they rushed out there, rather than going tomorrow.  JUST GUESSING.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 15, 2011, 03:41:46 PM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Police-called-to-Scotch-Hill-area-Saturday/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
Which facebook? Can you send the link to us, as she has a few of them.

JB

This is the only one I've been following, as it was created by her BFF who was also with her the night she disappeared.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=187045654704578#!/event.php?eid=187045654704578


So far nothing has been confirmed about what they were specifically looking for. I have to only assume they were given a tip from someone or when they brought in everyone they;ve already questioned to be re-questioned that someone admitted to having more info which led them to that area. For the most part it's pretty desolate - I can't imagine someone just accidentally stumbling upon something. *shrug*
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
I went back to find the posts from the people saying what they've seen going on today in Scotchill where they were investigating, and it was deleted. Unfortunately, a lot of the posts are getting deleted because no one can bear the thought of Amber never coming back unharmed. It's not realtistic, but it is an understandable defense mechanism.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 04:26:56 PM
"Stumbling upon" is very common.  Even after organized searches are done, very often the victim is discovered by someone out walking their dog, just everyday people.  It doesn't matter really. I  can appreciate that the community is very tense right now. My heart goes out to Amber's parents - their lives have been turned upside down since their beautiful daughter went missing. I doubt very much if Pictou County has experienced anything like this in a long long time.
Take care

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:33:12 PM
I've lived here my entire life (almost 30 years) and can't remember anything like this happening. I think that's a part of why this is so hard hitting to strangers of Amber. It makes it so REAL that these things can happen anywhere, evern our little area where we rarely lock our doors at night :S

Thanks for thinking of her family. They are really good people and certainly don't derserve this :( No one does.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: nickydolittle on October 15, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
Can't remember anything like this happening?

Kevin Martin...Lynn Oliver... Alex Penney....no one remembers these people going missing?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: nickydolittle on October 15, 2011, 04:50:31 PM
If we're talking about people going missing...those are just the names I'm winging off the top of the head... there's probably a dozen more.

As for violence against women (if we wanna take it that route)... Jamie Lynn Walsh had her throat slit and her baby stolen by her boyfriend, or Andrea Perrin who was killed by her boyfriend before he turned it on himself, what about the Singers in Abercrombie, another murder-suicide? I could go on a huge list....

9/10 a woman goes missing or turns up dead, a man close to her did it. I'm curious to see how this all pans out.

Also didn't go unnoticed that the police have issued a statement saying that the public shouldn't fear for their safety or be concerned... which tells us they know it wasn't random, and that they have some good leads. Hopefully justice is served sooner than later.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 04:52:34 PM
latest reports have SAR as well as helicopters called out ASAP !!! local residents reporting cops , k9 units , forensic truck out in wooded area near Scoth Hill !!! this is alarming cause they were not supposed to start searching to 7 am tomorrow. Worried to say the least  :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Normally SAR does not get called out for a recovery. If SAR has been called for an urgent event it is fully possible that there is a new case occuring.. I see no need for helicopters/SAR if a body has been found. I don't kkow this as fact but if a body has been found there would be no task for a helicopter. And police dont need multiple volunteers in the "crime scene"

Very difficult to guess at however. I dont know whether to hope they found her or not...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:52:48 PM
Can't remember anything like this happening?

Kevin Martin...Lynn Oliver... Alex Penney....no one remembers these people going missing?
In Pictou County? Nope, I don't remember at all. My mom was telling me about a little boy who went missing years ago from Stellarton, but I was a baby she said.  If that's true and they've all disappeared then I feel horrible that PC has forgotten them enough that in my almost 30 years no one has brought it to my attention. I have no problem admitting that I'm totally ignorant to this kind of thing, perhaps shielded from it growing up?? I dunno, but i feel terrible for them all and their families.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:54:12 PM

Normally SAR does not get called out for a recovery. If SAR has been called for an urgent event it is fully possible that there is a new case occuring.. I see no need for helicopters/SAR if a body has been found. I don't kkow this as fact but if a body has been found there would be no task for a helicopter. And police dont need multiple volunteers in the "crime scene"

Very difficult to guess at however. I dont know whether to hope they found her or not...

Great point!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 04:58:11 PM
I do remember Jamie-Lynn's tragedy, and I knew Andrea very very well and will never forget that. The situations seem so different to me and there seems to be no evidence or answers right now. Just lots of rumours and speculation. There're so many qyuestions and doubt that with the other cases the answers came more quickly.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
they are now posting that 'they' heard on the scanner
water search & rescue crews have been called as well as RCMP helicopter ...ASAP
nobody knows why or what is going on!
OMG, hope this is not bad news , but seems they are looking in the water

The helicopter is stationed out of NB. I will check and see if my contacts know if it has been tasked but for the record... Flight ops are activated by phone not over radio... This could also be troll posting on the Facebook page to hurt people. :/ my gut is feeling weird about these posts.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Maureen on October 15, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
This is heartbreaking....I know personally how her Mom feels because I have been through it. It is a horrible feeling of not knowing what to do or where to go and your mind racing on what could have happened and where is she. I hope she will be found alive and unharmed....My thoughts and prayers are with Amber and her family....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 05:16:34 PM

The helicopter is stationed out of NB. I will check and see if my contacts know if it has been tasked but for the record... Flight ops are activated by phone not over radio... This could also be troll posting on the Facebook page to hurt people. :/ my gut is feeling weird about these posts.


GSAR_Mbr

I have my own scanner on (which covers aircraft BTY)..not the public one that I provided a link for...the reports are not from trolls....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 05:22:50 PM

The helicopter is stationed out of NB. I will check and see if my contacts know if it has been tasked but for the record... Flight ops are activated by phone not over radio... This could also be troll posting on the Facebook page to hurt people. :/ my gut is feeling weird about these posts.


GSAR_Mbr

I have my own scanner on (which covers aircraft BTY)..not the public one that I provided a link for...the reports are not from trolls....

Then they are not using the RCMP helo as it transmits on RCMP frequencies. If you hear a helicopter on the air please post its call sign as that does not break law. Only posting transmissions does.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
GSAR - I was listening to the scanner at the time in question. I didn't hear them specifically ask for the helicopter over the scanner, just people on FB talking about seeing it from where they lived. The scanner did talk about getting PCVGSAR to come ASAP and that it was regarding the "missing girl". Also they asked for a media release, and the name and contact # of the CBC cirrespondent they had been interviewed by.  Shortly after they were asked to switch to "central", which I can only assume is a more confidential frequency?

I wish I could show you all my FB main page right now. Every second person has stauses saying they found her body. It's so awful. Especially because it's all still just rumours. And hopefully that's all it will stay.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
GSAR - I was listening to the scanner at the time in question. I didn't hear them specifically ask for the helicopter over the scanner, just people on FB talking about seeing it from where they lived. The scanner did talk about getting PCVGSAR to come ASAP and that it was regarding the "missing girl". Also they asked for a media release, and the name and contact # of the CBC cirrespondent they had been interviewed by.  Shortly after they were asked to switch to "central", which I can only assume is a more confidential frequency?

I wish I could show you all my FB main page right now. Every second person has stauses saying they found her body. It's so awful. Especially because it's all still just rumours. And hopefully that's all it will stay.

Bring your Facebook page to the front press the "print screen" key. Paste it into paint and upload as a photo if you wish to show. Thank you for the update. They may have received a tip she is in that area.. that would explain Gsar being called.

Central could he a different frequency but even still they are all open air. Just need the right equipment.

Thanks again for the details.

-GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 05:51:23 PM
This is from Amber's BFF, Maggie
Someone asked on FB if the rumours were true.

"Maggie Chickness: No, she wasn't found, we're still looking for her
11 minutes ago · Like · 2 people"

She's been working with the police throughout and close with Amber's family (and Mason) so I'm hoping she has the info correct!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
This is from Amber's BFF, Maggie
Someone asked on FB if the rumours were true.

"Maggie Chickness: No, she wasn't found, we're still looking for her
11 minutes ago · Like · 2 people"

She's been working with the police throughout and close with Amber's family (and Mason) so I'm hoping she has the info correct!

With all due respect....No one beyond the parents and police (and I highly doubt the parents would be in the inner loop at this point) would know if she was found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
Then they were probably checking out a tip.  The police have pulled out all of the stops, and are going after this case vigorously, so calling in a helicopter would be natural, (RCMP?) RCMP used a helicopter to find and locate Carol King's car. There is only one police car at this site,( which is of interest to people)
If they had located her, then there would be more than one police vehicle there. And yes, the parents would be the first to know. Even then, they may be warned that IT MAY BE, as the police would have to posititvely identify the remains.
So, just in case people are just skimming through this post. 
She has NOT BEEN FOUND, according to her best friend.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 15, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 06:09:38 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I know you asked JB but i can answer for a FACT that the answer is no. A crime scene could be watched by one officer but if there is evidence to be bagged it would be done tonight.  A body would never been left with a gaurd like your asking about(if i understand you right)

GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I think that this is the case. SAR are resuming search at 7 am there apparently (according to volunteers posting on FB earlier this evening). Earlier there were MANY police at the site, so much so that the scanner was reporting that they were sending extra coverage from Antigonish. At 4pm they said the search would be extended 3 more hours, but by 5 they were being told to head back to New Glasgow. It's getting darker earlier here now, and the area is taped off with the entrance being watched by a patrolman. I wonder if it's a set up. A newspaper article stating a "lone officer" and a pic of a single car. Maybe they are trying to trap someone into coming back to cover something up.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 06:12:40 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I think that this is the case. SAR are resuming search at 7 am there apparently (according to volunteers posting on FB earlier this evening). Earlier there were MANY police at the site, so much so that the scanner was reporting that they were sending extra coverage from Antigonish. At 4pm they said the search would be extended 3 more hours, but by 5 they were being told to head back to New Glasgow. It's getting darker earlier here now, and the area is taped off with the entrance being watched by a patrolman. I wonder if it's a set up. A newspaper article stating a "lone officer" and a pic of a single car. Maybe they are trying to trap someone into coming back to cover something up.

This is unlikely as any lawyer would get it thrown out as entrappment
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 06:15:06 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I think that this is the case. SAR are resuming search at 7 am there apparently (according to volunteers posting on FB earlier this evening). Earlier there were MANY police at the site, so much so that the scanner was reporting that they were sending extra coverage from Antigonish. At 4pm they said the search would be extended 3 more hours, but by 5 they were being told to head back to New Glasgow. It's getting darker earlier here now, and the area is taped off with the entrance being watched by a patrolman. I wonder if it's a set up. A newspaper article stating a "lone officer" and a pic of a single car. Maybe they are trying to trap someone into coming back to cover something up.

This is unlikely as any lawyer would get it thrown out as entrappment

There goes that theory then!
GSAR_ have you ever conducted a search with a person of interest involved in searching along with you?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 06:23:04 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I think that this is the case. SAR are resuming search at 7 am there apparently (according to volunteers posting on FB earlier this evening). Earlier there were MANY police at the site, so much so that the scanner was reporting that they were sending extra coverage from Antigonish. At 4pm they said the search would be extended 3 more hours, but by 5 they were being told to head back to New Glasgow. It's getting darker earlier here now, and the area is taped off with the entrance being watched by a patrolman. I wonder if it's a set up. A newspaper article stating a "lone officer" and a pic of a single car. Maybe they are trying to trap someone into coming back to cover something up.

This is unlikely as any lawyer would get it thrown out as entrappment

There goes that theory then!
GSAR_ have you ever conducted a search with a person of interest involved in searching along with you?

Please note I should have put... My understanding is instead of noting it as a fact. As i could be wrong.

To answer your question I personally have not, but there was a search in NB that i have been told about where a gentleman(feels wrong to call him that) acted as a spontaneous volunteer he kept trying to lead his field team astray towards where the subject was found. Unfortunatly for him... His team didn't locate the missing female and therefore his attempt at an excuse for his dna being there didn't work out.

I wasn't arround then and it was years ago but that is what I was told. May I ask your reasoning behind asking? We have a couple cases in NB which are unclosed in my mind one of which is posted in the NB forum but my information on it is confidential and therefore i won't say which one. However i will say the way the remains were found by a family member and the location have SAR confused but then again its the police officers job to sort out the confusion. We just need to find them and bring them home to the ones they love/love them. N
ormally with happy ending.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 15, 2011, 06:29:14 PM
Jelly Bean not sure of the time dif from where I am and to this town,  but it is dark here perhaps there as well.  Do you think it is likely that the one officer is garding the area until daylight comes and a proper search can be done?

I think that this is the case. SAR are resuming search at 7 am there apparently (according to volunteers posting on FB earlier this evening). Earlier there were MANY police at the site, so much so that the scanner was reporting that they were sending extra coverage from Antigonish. At 4pm they said the search would be extended 3 more hours, but by 5 they were being told to head back to New Glasgow. It's getting darker earlier here now, and the area is taped off with the entrance being watched by a patrolman. I wonder if it's a set up. A newspaper article stating a "lone officer" and a pic of a single car. Maybe they are trying to trap someone into coming back to cover something up.

There is a minimum of two - one is auxiliary...they are on until 0300 hours...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 06:36:45 PM
GSAR - The police have identified Mason as a POI (in The News article earlier in the week). I'm curious as to if he would be allowed to search with them. I'm not 100% sure he has been, but I can't remember seeing that he hasn't been either. If someone can clear that up that'd be great. I know he's been doing a great deal of other things to help find her, just not sure about the search part. I'm not convinced he has anything to do with Amber's disappearance by any means, but I know a lot of other people are. Thank-you for your info!

There's a midnight candlelight vigil tonight - I hope by the time it's over they have found her safe. The way I see it is, if someone was able to take her without being noticed, they should be able to bring her back in the same manner! I'm remaining hopeful :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
GSAR - The police have identified Mason as a POI (in The News article earlier in the week). I'm curious as to if he would be allowed to search with them. I'm not 100% sure he has been, but I can't remember seeing that he hasn't been either. If someone can clear that up that'd be great. I know he's been doing a great deal of other things to help find her, just not sure about the search part. I'm not convinced he has anything to do with Amber's disappearance by any means, but I know a lot of other people are. Thank-you for your info!

There's a midnight candlelight vigil tonight - I hope by the time it's over they have found her safe. The way I see it is, if someone was able to take her without being noticed, they should be able to bring her back in the same manner! I'm remaining hopeful :)

In NB if he is a POI there is no way he would be searching. All outside volunteers have to pass CPIC and have an officer sign off before we use them. I believe NS is the same. All SAR team members must have passed a CPIC here to join a team.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 07:12:44 PM
I can't say for certain Mason didn't have anything to do with it. I don't know him personally, my gut just tells me he didn't do it. I could be wrong. I know the odds are he's involved and statistics are against my opinion. My husband, mother, and best friends all believe he's involved, but I just don't. I've seen all the interviews and read the articles and I'm still not convinced. I spoke with him twice at the first candlelight vigil and he's a mess. Could it be guilt?? Sure could. But I don't think it is. Perhaps a bit because he wasn't right at Dooly's to get her, but I think he's just lost without her. I'm also a huge believer in being innocent until proven guilty, whch he hasn't been or he'd be in jail. Maybe the cops are giving him enough rope to hang himself but we'll see in time. I dunno, I know I could be wrong. Either way, I'm willing to be right or wrong as long as Amber is found. And IF he is innocent, he will never ever have the full trust of his community again which is a shame if he's truly innocent.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 07:32:25 PM
this is to gsar's comment.where exactly was he seaching?at tim horton or acropol pizza.because he was seen at both places posted and seemed to be in good cheer.he said he was driving all over town looking for her.as if she would be just walking down the street.also i doubt the police would let him be involved in the seach being the closest one to where she was supposed to be that night.

With all due respect... What are you talking about? Please go re read my post and be sure to QUOTE what you are asking about since I wasn't talking about what you are saying I was.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 07:40:34 PM
GSAR. Gosh, you didn't say that!! Tim Horton's etc. If this young man is charged, seems to me it may not be possible to find an unbiased jury.


JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 07:50:18 PM
GSAR. Gosh, you didn't say that!! Tim Horton's etc. If this young man is charged, seems to me it may not be possible to find an unbiased jury.


JB

Jb can't tell if your being sarcastic or backing me Lol can you clarify
And I agree on the Jury note! Even if it isn't Mason, the jury will be so biased the true killer (if not mason)could get of because he is already to be strung up!


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
GSAR:  I am backing you. :) You never mentioned anything about Tim Horton's etc.  Perhaps this person is getting "sites mixed up?" It can happen you know.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Myheartbreaks.  Excellent thoughts and you know Pictou County and its people.  I'll bet someone in that area does know, and are waiitng for evidence to unfold and an arrest to be placed upon them, before they talk, or lawyer up.
Or - the perp is hoping that someone else will be charged, and if they lay low long enough, fingers won't point at them.
There is that way of looking at as well.  Who knows?
So far, that is the way that it is shaping up, in my opinion.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 08:06:02 PM
My husband was just out heathbell way and there is not just a lone cop out there... The entire road is very high traffic with RCMP and such.
 I dont know the truth in this but I was told by someone close to the friends of Amber that one of them had gone to a medium and was told that Amber was being held captive by a stalker in a cabin and this was one area of interest... Like I said I dont know how true this is as everyone around here in Pictou County is rumoring like crazy... Just another theroy? God only knows. I hope she is found soon and alive, Amber and her parents are in my prayers.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 08:06:37 PM
The distance between where Amber went missing to where the police were searching this afternoon is a big one. They confirmed their search was realting to her disappearance. She couldn't have gotten there on foot, and if she got in the car with someone she knew, then why did she lose her shoe between Big Al's and Dooly's. Sounds like a struggle to me. If I were standing outside of Dooly's or Big Al's at that time of night on a Saturday I probably wouldn't think twice at some loud noise, girls squeeling, car doors slamming, etc. The boarding house has always made me nervous but no one has said anything to make me feel like it's involved.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 08:11:02 PM
Brokenheart - I heard a similar "story" about what the medium said. I heard he saw her with two girls somewhere abandonded near water. I do belive some of these things, but I feel it's unlikely she's just being held at this point. I pray it's true, just not realistic.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 08:16:36 PM
Funny, I was going to mention that perhaps she was taken out of town. Were there clothes found in New Glasgow? - Where were they found?

Earlier, the police said that the clothes have not yet been identified. Surely they would be identified by now, either by friends who were with her that nite, or her parents.

Earlier today, A police car was sitting at a road in a "private woods area" in heathbell.  How many people would be aware of that road??

JB

ps.  I do not live in that area.  In fact, I do not live in Nova Scotia. However human nature is the same in any Province.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: valleygirl on October 15, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
I'm not from the area but I have spent much time there and as others have stated, the distance between the 2 places is TINY!

I agree with most of you, my gut tells me the boyfriend.

Anyone who's been in a young relationship can tell you that jealousy happens frequently.

I have a few questions/concerns regarding this case and the boyfriend.

1. When she didn't show up, why didn't he go to Doolys? Seems simple enough to me. Even with his car situation it's already been said several times that the distance from Doolys to Big Als is small. Why not walk?

2. If he had thought she may have found another way home, when she didn't show up an hour or 2 later when the bars are clearly closed, why didn't he go searching then, why didn't he call the friend whose phone she used repeatedly.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 08:22:59 PM
I saw a number of times on FB that the shoes were confirmed by friends she was with and people who saw her that night. So although they haven't been forensically ID'd yet, what are the odds that someone with the same shoes lost one in the same location she's beleived to have gone missing from. I believe the articles of clothng were found along the tracks in Trenton near some abandonded buildings, one namely being the old Tibbets Paint place. They were seen on the news checking that out so I assume nothing came from the location. I may be wrong about that being where they were found though. The shoe was said to have been found in the wooded area between Dooly's and Big Als' (again, police haven't confirmed it, but people were in the area when they discovered it).
This whole freaking situation is hearsay and rumours. It's so frustrating! The RCMP NEED to tell us something.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 08:28:36 PM
My husband was just out heathbell way and there is not just a lone cop out there... The entire road is very high traffic with RCMP and such.


Someone just posted lifeflight (air ambulance)is there - did your husband notice if that were true?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 15, 2011, 08:33:16 PM
My husband was just out heathbell way and there is not just a lone cop out there... The entire road is very high traffic with RCMP and such.


Someone just posted lifeflight (air ambulance)is there - did your husband notice if that were true?

They have posted also that there is no life flight in the air. I know nothing of lifeflight but I doubt they would ever hover in standby. Having an ambulance on scene would be more than sufficient to provide medical aid until one could arrive if an ambulance couldn't do the transport.

Just thoughts not facts.

GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 08:35:17 PM
No he did not notice when he was out that way but while I was outside a few mins ago you can clearly hear a helicopter in the air which is extreamly odd in my area... Also it was on the scanner that one was in the area :'(  Someone knows more then they are telling...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 08:46:59 PM
Levi: I am sitting here listening to the same thing and it was on foster ave that that call came from and if it were Amber she would know where she was being from around here... just a guess
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
Brokenheart. It is night time by now.  GSR, what would a helicopter be doing at nite? Wouldn't they have to use their search lights?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Levi on October 15, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
Levi: I am sitting here listening to the same thing and it was on foster ave that that call came from and if it were Amber she would know where she was being from around here... just a guess

What if she was inside a building?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
My guess is that the helicopter that I am hearing is the one that was out earlier today searching. They have been in this area all day in the air circleing around all wooded areas and water...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 08:56:35 PM
Levi: I am sitting here listening to the same thing and it was on foster ave that that call came from and if it were Amber she would know where she was being from around here... just a guess

What if she was inside a building?

This could be possible but only if she was in someones house...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 15, 2011, 09:04:40 PM
What about the possibility of someone trying to throw the police off?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Maureen on October 15, 2011, 09:06:05 PM
Can't the police contact the phone company and find out where the call came from?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 09:06:29 PM
What about the possibility of someone trying to throw the police off?

This was my first thought when I heard it!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 09:08:18 PM
She didn't take her cell phone with her.  She left it at home remember?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 15, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
Obviously I hope the police look into it very diligently,  but hopefully they also keep patrol on the wooded area they have been cconcentrated on today/tonight.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 09:13:37 PM
Was that the wooded area where her shoe was found, between Dooley's and Big Al's? - or is it the wooded area outside of town?  Which wooded area?
This is confusing....Aso about the cell hone call.  How could it be from Amber, as she left her cell phone at home.  She did not have a cell phone with her. So this could well be a prank.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 15, 2011, 09:20:18 PM
Was that the wooded area where her shoe was found, between Dooley's and Big Al's? - or is it the wooded area outside of town?  Which wooded area?
This is confusing....Aso about the cell hone call.  How could it be from Amber, as she left her cell phone at home.  She did not have a cell phone with her. So this could well be a prank.

JB

They are still currently searching the spot out of town. The call is probably a sick prank which hopefully doesnt take anyone away from the search. It shouldn't though since it was traced to another small town opposit of whereAmber disappeared - Stellarton. If it's not a prank then somehow she has gotten a cell phone. It's a disconnected one but as long as they are charged you can call 911 with them
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Thanks Trenton, about the shoe.

Is it possible that all of this police and helicopter activity may have nothing to do with the search for her, but may have to do with something else, such as an escaped convict, or whatever.  This may be a silly question, I know, but is there something in the news generally that woud bring out the helicopter (a fire) or someone other than Amber?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BrokenHeart on October 15, 2011, 09:31:30 PM
Honestly the only other reason for a helicopter to be out this way is doing a search for pot plants and its already past harvest... so the answer to ur question is 99% sure no other reason for it to be out...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 15, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
The police never identified Mason as a person of interest. I asked Ken MacDonald if anyone from the police gave any such statement and he said they did not. He said unfortunately they can print what they want. And technically the do not say that a policeman stated that.

GSAR - The police have identified Mason as a POI (in The News article earlier in the week). I'm curious as to if he would be allowed to search with them. I'm not 100% sure he has been, but I can't remember seeing that he hasn't been either. If someone can clear that up that'd be great. I know he's been doing a great deal of other things to help find her, just not sure about the search part. I'm not convinced he has anything to do with Amber's disappearance by any means, but I know a lot of other people are. Thank-you for your info!

There's a midnight candlelight vigil tonight - I hope by the time it's over they have found her safe. The way I see it is, if someone was able to take her without being noticed, they should be able to bring her back in the same manner! I'm remaining hopeful :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 15, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
this is to eva,the papers said mason IS A PERSON OF INTEREST,and that was in the paper.

yes...but they did not say that the police identified him as a person of interest. there is a difference.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: camnn06 on October 15, 2011, 09:43:11 PM
All Eva said was the paper can print whatever they want, so yes it was in the paper. There is no reason for you to say it is true because it was in there. If the police never stated it, I for one would believe his mother.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 15, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
just my input , the press is not always right, and very offten completely wrong.  I know this as I delt with it when my brother was missing, I turly believe at times they make up stuff that cant be verified just for something to write.  I know they quoted me when my brother was missing and it was all lies that way not what I had said and I made them retract it in a half page story under the rath of me suing them.  I however was smart enought to tape every single conversation I had in relationship to my brother being missing that i had with any one .  thus I had the proof.  Praying this girl is found safe and sound. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 09:52:06 PM
Thank you Eva. If he was a POI,  they have confirmed it with you, and they DID NOT. Your son while talking to the media, said, I just know I am a person of interest by the police, or something along those lines.   In other words, he feels that he is. Thus the media printed it, and now some people believe it. That is why it is, in my opinion, best that he not speak to the media, as the media can twist things around. Just my opinion Eva.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 09:53:57 PM
eyeswideopen did they find your brother. I know nothing of that case. Hope it turned out good.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 15, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
No it didn't turn out good, but we did at least get his body. Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 10:00:39 PM
so so sorry to hear that. How old was he and do you know what happened to him?? My good friend was kidnapped last year in nb and she escaped. We did go through 26 days of hell but it was great she made it out safe and sound. Lets hope the same thing happens for Amber
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 15, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
During your discussion here you have to understand that the public has maybe one percent of the information. The rest of it is just filling in the blanks with speculation and here-say. The people that 'need' the whole story have it. You have no idea how much I want to correct you all....but I can't.

All Eva said was the paper can print whatever they want, so yes it was in the paper. There is no reason for you to say it is true because it was in there. If the police never stated it, I for one would believe his mother.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 10:09:10 PM
YES 1% OF NOTHING, IS STILL NOTHING, AND YOU CAN'T ALWAYS TRUST THE PRESS. In my opinion, this is often very true. Amber was also taking courses, so she did not live in a cocoon. It could have been anyone. Also, at times when we live in a small place, we feel that it is surrounded by an invisible shield and that everyone is protected, until something like this happens.

Bad people use the same roads as you do, in and out of town.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 10:16:28 PM
Eva the majority of people here feel so bad for you , all this hearsay. You know your son so hang on to the love you have for him. We don't know what happened and we have no reason to judge your son. I have 2 sons and I know them well and I don't think they would ever hurt anyone. People are frustrated and are showing stupid emotions. The truth will come out and I am sure you want this girl found just as much as the rest of us. Take care and keep your faith. I am sure he must be frustrated too. Try to get some sleep and start fresh tomorrow.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 15, 2011, 10:24:40 PM
Count me in with Sad333.
Have faith in your son, and family Eva.  You know your son best.
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 10:31:47 PM
nighttrain your wonderful. I do not know what happened to the little girl anymore than you do. We can't be judge and jury on a forum , we do not know what happened and we may never but it is not up to us to solve this case and judge others. Lets wait until we find out the truth.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 15, 2011, 10:34:34 PM
Night train it sounds like you know something?  If you do you should be talking to the police.
My prayers go out to both familys and especially for Amber.  I don't even live in the same province but have not slept the past two nights worrying for this girl.  Praying she is safe and warm where ever she is.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 10:44:31 PM
eyeswideopen looks like nighttrain took his statement off here. lmao. El bravo.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 15, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
I do not know what happened to the little girl anymore than you do. We can't be judge and jury on a forum , we do not know what happened and we may never but it is not up to us to solve this case and judge others. Lets wait until we find out the truth.

Well said, sad. This has gone past pointing fingers, to downright accusation. We don't know what's happened to Amber at this point and until we do, we have to keep an open mind. Anything is possible. 

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This whole freaking situation is hearsay and rumours. It's so frustrating! The RCMP NEED to tell us something.

Statements like the one above have been made on this thread numerous times. As in any open investigation, the police will not divulge information that could jeopardize this case. They don't NEED to tell us anything. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 15, 2011, 10:59:23 PM
Thanks debbiec your so right. Good night
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 16, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
It is a good sign the police do not appear to be publicly seeking tips and are not releasing any info to the public.

These kinds of cases take longer then they used too, especially since the trend the past 3 years has been to give criminals millions of dollars if the police rushed things and they beat the conviction in appeals.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RubyRose on October 16, 2011, 03:45:36 AM
While it is frustrating for those who are genuinely concerned, unless it is information which may be of assistance in locating an individual, I am generally of the opinion that the least information released by police is probably best.

Hopefully Amber may yet be found safe although it is certainly looking less and less likely all the time.

I did also hear on CBC news this morning that a ten year old boy was missing in the Bridgewater area since last night.  At air time it was believed he may have run away from his temporary home and was headed to Cape Breton.  I hope he will be found safe and well, also.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 05:53:54 AM
Brokenheart. It is night time by now.  GSR, what would a helicopter be doing at nite? Wouldn't they have to use their search lights?

JB

Sorry JB and all I'm just getting back onto here now. The helicopter being out at night would be searching. There is little a helicopter can do at night and there are few that have FLIR (Forward Looking Infa-Red) with out FLIR their is little point for a helicopter to be in the air as it is burning $2,000 an hour and is not going to see anything at night.

The cell phone issue... It being disconnected has nothing to do with it not being on a plan. 911 can lock and call back any cell that calls them. As long as it has power, reception and hasn't been damaged. As i suggested earlier it is fully possible this could be a search for a new female. It could be a friend of Ambers who knowing Police thought she was in that area tried to keep the search going all night. Or it could he Amber or it could be a prank...

I will say that the only case in NB that I have ever heard of a "Medium" supposedly suggesting the area where a subjects remains are is one that is highly suspicious in nature. Not to say they can't be right or that the one I'm talking about wasn't right.. but until Amber is found where the medium suggested she is I will be septical.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 06:04:25 AM
For those not following the Facebook page.. some on there have posted they think she is home... However posts since that don't sound like it as Gsar crews are in the woods near where the FIS crew and K9 searched yesterday. This means the poster could have heard a radio broadcast VIA scanner that indicated "she has been found" she being the 911 caller?? Just a thought.

Also as an FYI and if i had more info I would start a thread on this.. but realistically there are 20 of these cases a day people just normally aren't so scanner crazy..

 "ten year old boy is now missing in lunenburg county, so sad"
This is also off the Facebook page. He is missing from a kids home wearing a shirt and pj pants.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 16, 2011, 06:29:39 AM
I am Mason's 'actual' mother. I raised him.


His god mother who raised him works in internet service providing or something like that so I think people may be spooked to speak out online. 

Eva, I believe this may be where Chills got the information regarding you being Masons godmother. I dont think he/she was trying to debate that you raised him. (i know this is quoting from a post way back, but just seeing this now)

Posted on your facebook page on Oct 10th..

Eva Campbell -
PLEASE POST THIS ON YOUR PROFILE ...
AND HELP FIND AMBER.!
Amber Kerwin has been missing
since 2AM this morning.She's my Godson's girlfriend ,
he went to pick her up from Dooleys last night . IF
... anyone has any information on
her whereabouts could you
please call (numbers removed for privacy reasons)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RubyRose on October 16, 2011, 07:30:40 AM
Dukus and Event Girl, it was actually my impression that very few people posting on this forum believe Mason is involved in the disappearance.

The priority should be in finding Amber.  Time enough for all the name calling, speculation, etc afterwards.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: blkopsldr on October 16, 2011, 08:34:52 AM
    As I do not get involved in civilian discussions, I feel the need to intervene.
Tensions are running high, people are fearing the worse, emotions are hard to contain....this is stressful for all involved, and horrific for those directly involved.

   It is incomprehendable that people listening to online scanners, Facebook and even this web site are forming conclusions and having online debates.
It is downright disgusting on FB with things that are being discussed and said.
You are not subject matter experts, using Google doesn't quantify.

   Human nature makes people want to be involved in issues that have no buisness being in....chasing ambulances, firetrucks, etc.... but I assure you, it will not help this cause with negativity and speculation. Pray to your higher power if you are religous, be supportive, help if asked, but stay out of the way.
Let the agencies do their jobs, help if asked to, but keep personal opinions and judgements to yourself.

    I lived in Pictou County a long time ago, and I applaud you all for pulling together for this young lady, it is typlical Maritimer fashion, to go beyond to help strangers....it is unique and it is not seen anywhere else in the world.

I now work overseas as a consultant, and deal directly with piracy and hostile hostage takings, and the precautions and safeguards to protect people.
I know and see first hand on all aspects of what everyone is going through....It is a roller coaster of emotion, and sadly there are no guarantees.

I have included this young lady in my prayers....best thing for many of you to do, is shut off your scanners, stay out of internet debates....Just keep supporting the families and agencies with what you have.

I hope for the best.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Hockey_Nut on October 16, 2011, 08:39:07 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Update%3A-Search-for-missing-girl-continues-/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 08:47:58 AM
Thanks for the update Hockey nut.  Still hoping for a happy ending, but as time passes it make that not likely.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Sgt.84979 on October 16, 2011, 09:05:16 AM
The Fact that they pulled the search teams and are focusing on evidence and tips should indicate that they have some solid information if not a suspect. As for one gentlemans post of   turning off scanners and keeping off these forums and blah blah blah. This forum is here for a reason and if we can learn to control our emotions I do not see and issue with sharing information. Of course even with scanners and so on we will never know the brunt of the information because police are smarter than to discuss full details over the radio anyway.

Unless the suspect has a sexual motive for the abduction and is twisted enough to enjoy holding her captive, I would hate to say it but at this point I feel the case will turn to a homicide investigation.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 09:10:01 AM
The Fact that they pulled the search teams and are focusing on evidence and tips should indicate that they have some solid information if not a suspect. As for one gentlemans post of   turning off scanners and keeping off these forums and blah blah blah. This forum is here for a reason and if we can learn to control our emotions I do not see and issue with sharing information. Of course even with scanners and so on we will never know the brunt of the information because police are smarter than to discuss full details over the radio anyway.

Unless the suspect has a sexual motive for the abduction and is twisted enough to enjoy holding her captive, I would hate to say it but at this point I feel the case will turn to a homicide investigation.

I'll again note that earlier Sir/Madame you said you were Law Enforcement.. if this were true you would not have that stance on scanners. as well as i surely hope you would pay more attention before posting... Teams are out searching again and haven't been pulled.

I note this for the other members just skimming as I feel optimism is better than listening to someone who claims to be Law Enforcement saying it is probably a worst case scenario.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 09:12:55 AM
This is a link to an article written October 15th and updated today. This was posted earlier by Hockey_Nut. It speaks of search crews that are in the area. It does not appear that the search teams have been pulled.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Update%3A-Search-for-missing-girl-continues-/1 (http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Update%3A-Search-for-missing-girl-continues-/1)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: halifax902 on October 16, 2011, 09:15:09 AM
RE Cell phone call.  It has been discussed that a call came through to 911 from a girl but when the number was called back it was disconnected.  Then someone said that even a disconnected number can accept a call from 911.  So, how can that be?  Does this mean that 'call' that eveyone heard reported was just a rumor and not fact?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 09:23:01 AM
RE Cell phone call.  It has been discussed that a call came through to 911 from a girl but when the number was called back it was disconnected.  Then someone said that even a disconnected number can accept a call from 911.  So, how can that be?  Does this mean that 'call' that eveyone heard reported was just a rumor and not fact?

The point behind me saying 911 to call it back is because the lock the phone. If you ever call 911 for an emergency from a house or cell all outbound calls you try and make until they clear your line go to a 911 dispatcher.

Example if i had someone I had kidnapped, they tried to call 911 on my cell but i catch them and take it away from them hanging up. I then try and call my accomplis using the same phone dialing 555-5555 and I get connected to the dispatch again.

Cell phones are tricky though most times where people get lost they have weak coverage so they might call 911 and move 3 feet and loose the signal which would mimic a disconnected phone. My understanding is however that a PSAP can call back a disconnected phone as long as it has battery power, is turned on and has coverage.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: blkopsldr on October 16, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
The Fact that they pulled the search teams and are focusing on evidence and tips should indicate that they have some solid information if not a suspect. As for one gentlemans post of   turning off scanners and keeping off these forums and blah blah blah. This forum is here for a reason and if we can learn to control our emotions I do not see and issue with sharing information. Of course even with scanners and so on we will never know the brunt of the information because police are smarter than to discuss full details over the radio anyway.

Unless the suspect has a sexual motive for the abduction and is twisted enough to enjoy holding her captive, I would hate to say it but at this point I feel the case will turn to a homicide investigation.

I'll again note that earlier Sir/Madame you said you were Law Enforcement.. if this were true you would not have that stance on scanners. as well as i surely hope you would pay more attention before posting... Teams are out searching again and haven't been pulled.

I note this for the other members just skimming as I feel optimism is better than listening to someone who claims to be Law Enforcement saying it is probably a worst case scenario.


GSAR_Mbr

Good Day GSAR
I am not sure if you directed the scanner comment to me, Or perhaps Sgt.
Anyone with any Law Enforcement or millitary background should well know the dangers in scanners, and knows we dislike them for obvious reasons.
They are used by criminals, millitia, guerrillas etc.
That is why we use transript scramblers and Inmarsat....But then again, Sgt should know these things.

Controling emotions and opinions is key Sgt....Using references like blah blah blah, your opinions on scanners, and personal opinion of the conclusion of this case simply shows your ignorance and lack of professionalisms and good judgement. A security guard at MacDonalds doesn't count as Law Enforcement.

I will not reply again here, I simply wanted to share positive thoughts and give my vast experience in matters like this.
To all of the family and friends of this young lady, I hope this bad dream ends soon, and she is back in your arms.

Signed....A specialist.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: blkopsldr on October 16, 2011, 09:49:19 AM
RE Cell phone call.  It has been discussed that a call came through to 911 from a girl but when the number was called back it was disconnected.  Then someone said that even a disconnected number can accept a call from 911.  So, how can that be?  Does this mean that 'call' that eveyone heard reported was just a rumor and not fact?

The point behind me saying 911 to call it back is because the lock the phone. If you ever call 911 for an emergency from a house or cell all outbound calls you try and make until they clear your line go to a 911 dispatcher.

Example if i had someone I had kidnapped, they tried to call 911 on my cell but i catch them and take it away from them hanging up. I then try and call my accomplis using the same phone dialing 555-5555 and I get connected to the dispatch again.

Cell phones are tricky though most times where people get lost they have weak coverage so they might call 911 and move 3 feet and loose the signal which would mimic a disconnected phone. My understanding is however that a PSAP can call back a disconnected phone as long as it has battery power, is turned on and has coverage.


GSAR_Mbr

Just to back GSAR a bit ... modern telephone networks allow for this to occur. being disconnected is just a flag that is turned off/on by the telco, so I would imagine it would be rather trivial for them to call back a disconnected phone.

If it still has battery output and a GPS chip, all it needs is power, it doesn't need to hold cellular signal after it has tranmitted once to determine the  cellular triangulation or GPS transpondance.
Of course this is sofisticated ops.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Hockey_Nut on October 16, 2011, 09:49:34 AM
A more recent update out of the local paper ...

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Update%3A-Search-for-missing-girl-continues-/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
RE Cell phone call.  It has been discussed that a call came through to 911 from a girl but when the number was called back it was disconnected.  Then someone said that even a disconnected number can accept a call from 911.  So, how can that be?  Does this mean that 'call' that eveyone heard reported was just a rumor and not fact?

The point behind me saying 911 to call it back is because the lock the phone. If you ever call 911 for an emergency from a house or cell all outbound calls you try and make until they clear your line go to a 911 dispatcher.

Example if i had someone I had kidnapped, they tried to call 911 on my cell but i catch them and take it away from them hanging up. I then try and call my accomplis using the same phone dialing 555-5555 and I get connected to the dispatch again.

Cell phones are tricky though most times where people get lost they have weak coverage so they might call 911 and move 3 feet and loose the signal which would mimic a disconnected phone. My understanding is however that a PSAP can call back a disconnected phone as long as it has battery power, is turned on and has coverage.


GSAR_Mbr

Just to back GSAR a bit ... modern telephone networks allow for this to occur. being disconnected is just a flag that is turned off/on by the telco, so I would imagine it would be rather trivial for them to call back a disconnected phone.

Sorry something fishy, I've removed my last post. Doing this from my phone I thought you were correcting me that is why i was confused. Again I apologize! Thanks for backing my note:)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 16, 2011, 11:19:57 AM
Also, on her profile on FB she said Mason was her godson.  It doesn't matter but that's how people get their ideas and shouldn't be attacked.  What else are we supposed to think?

He was implying early on that he 'knew' us....he did not. My sister (his godmother) posted that on my facebook, while we were all out searching for Amber. Its not that they said that he was raised by his godmother that I was pointing out....it was that the poster was putting himself out there as a person who knew Mason and I personally, and he clearly did not.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 11:24:08 AM
Thanks eva for clearing that up/
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 16, 2011, 11:27:44 AM
RE Cell phone call.  It has been discussed that a call came through to 911 from a girl but when the number was called back it was disconnected.  Then someone said that even a disconnected number can accept a call from 911.  So, how can that be?  Does this mean that 'call' that eveyone heard reported was just a rumor and not fact?

I just wanted to put this out there, because I didn't actually know this myself until I began this job. But any phone cellular or land line, regardless of whether or not you subscribe to service for that phone CAN call 911.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 12:13:16 PM
GSR.

I am just getting back to the posts from earlier discussions. I apologize if I seemed abrasive in any sense. The fundraising comment was rude of me.   Part of me was trying to defend Eva's son alongside of her.  No mother needs to read such hateful comments about their child. It's painful and immature to say the least......

I was trying to remind those visiting the site that not everything is as meets the eye.  The media portray what they want to portray, and every person reacts differently in different situations. Instead of having flame wars, perhaps it would be more productive to have clean discussions.  I just noticed that there are admins who consistently moderate the site. It did not appear this was occurring previously.  So once again I apologize if I was rude to you.  It was a little bit of the momma bear shining through.

C

halifax902....... inquiring about "conversations in regards to what is spoken on scanners".  I do believe this refers to listening to the actual police scanner, rather than the online scanner, where most info is scrambled, coded or the frequency switched if speaking about sensitive information.  That information, if applicable, can be used in a court of law.  If passed over public knowledge it is no longer usable......from what I understood. Someone else may be able to verify this further.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 16, 2011, 12:27:32 PM
If Amber remains missing or is found murdered, a wide net will be cast for the killer. Mason will obviously be included whether his family or friends believe he should be or not. He will be publicly exonerated if and when another guilty party is found. If innocent he will have to go through the process to be ruled out same as any other poi. Nothing personal, just the way it is. Vehicle descriptions may become important at some point too either to further exonerate or implicate. What did Mason drive? Any other suspicious vehicle reports from that night?

Nothing personal, Just seeking the facts ma'am, just the facts.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 16, 2011, 01:08:33 PM


halifax902....... inquiring about "conversations in regards to what is spoken on scanners".  I do believe this refers to listening to the actual police scanner, rather than the online scanner, where most info is scrambled, coded or the frequency switched if speaking about sensitive information.  That information, if applicable, can be used in a court of law.  If passed over public knowledge it is no longer usable......from what I understood. Someone else may be able to verify this further.

According to the Radiocommunication Act,[10] it is completely legal to install, operate or possess a radio apparatus that is capable only of the reception of broadcasting (digital and analog, but not encrypted data) provided that private information is not passed on or disclosed to any other person(s) or party(s).
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Hockey_Nut on October 16, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
Divers were searching the water near the Big Gut bridge Sunday afternoon.

http://www.ngnews.ca/media/photos/unis/2011/10/16/photo_1880930_resize.jpg
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 02:17:47 PM
Hockey anything new since they sent the divers out, if they did.  Is this in regard to Amber do you think, or is the ten year old who is missing any where near there?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Hockey_Nut on October 16, 2011, 02:24:28 PM
The pic and associated storyline comes up on the same page as the most recent update on 'Search for missing girl continues' so i would def think they are related.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-15/article-2778727/Update%3A-Search-for-missing-girl-continues-/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 16, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Hockey anything new since they sent the divers out, if they did.  Is this in regard to Amber do you think, or is the ten year old who is missing any where near there?

The 10 yr old was found about 10km's from where he went missing (looks like a runaway).. 200 miles away from this location...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/16/ns-missing-boy-bridgewater.html
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 02:26:53 PM
Thanks Hockey and Im. much appreciated.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 16, 2011, 02:53:59 PM
GSR.

I am just getting back to the posts from earlier discussions. I apologize if I seemed abrasive in any sense. The fundraising comment was rude of me.   Part of me was trying to defend Eva's son alongside of her.  No mother needs to read such hateful comments about their child. It's painful and immature to say the least......

I was trying to remind those visiting the site that not everything is as meets the eye.  The media portray what they want to portray, and every person reacts differently in different situations. Instead of having flame wars, perhaps it would be more productive to have clean discussions.  I just noticed that there are admins who consistently moderate the site. It did not appear this was occurring previously.  So once again I apologize if I was rude to you.  It was a little bit of the momma bear shining through.

C

halifax902....... inquiring about "conversations in regards to what is spoken on scanners".  I do believe this refers to listening to the actual police scanner, rather than the online scanner, where most info is scrambled, coded or the frequency switched if speaking about sensitive information.  That information, if applicable, can be used in a court of law.  If passed over public knowledge it is no longer usable......from what I understood. Someone else may be able to verify this further.


Oryx thank you for the apology.. I may have taken your wording more to heart than neccesary. I can see the point behind defending Mason/his mother as it is very true what others have posted. Nobody has even been arrested so some have been harshly pointing fingers.

I myself could be included in that since I posted my gut feelings over his interviews. No hard feelings are felt over your comments and hopefully my responses weren't too abraisive(its difficult to go back on my phone and re read them as it would take forever to find them. I will look tomorrow from a computer.) I extend an apology though for my frustrations which I am sure were shining through.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 16, 2011, 04:02:04 PM
We live a few miles from the Scotch Hill Site and took a drive by at around 11 am this morning. There were roughly 20 cars, one RCMP car, 2 search and rescue vans. There were generators set up and also a video camera set up that was taping all the cars that drove though. We were stopped and asked to be aware that there would be alot of people stepping out of the woods onto the road and to be careful. There were helicopters flying over head as well. I have not heard any rumours at all from local people. The site is about a 30 minute drive from New Glasgow.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 04:33:39 PM
Ocean , did you feel that what they are doing there is in regard to Amber, or something totally different?  Hard to imagine them having another major thing that close thought.  Thanks for your update.  Wonder why they would video the cars passing?  Any one have a thought about that?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 16, 2011, 05:00:54 PM
Maybe like an arsonist returning to watch the fire? Maybe there was a certain type of vehicle reported in the area? There must be a vehicle of interest? This is 30 minute drive from where Amber was last seen?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 16, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
video-ing cars going past a possible 'crime scene' of this nature, at least I thought was standard procedure here......I know it is in some states.
It goes on the belief that the killer/arsonist/rapist etc will return to the scene of the crime...

sooo either a certain car was seen around before she went missing or that night -or-
they know something we dont know i.e someone known to them -or-
they will be scanning to see how many times certain cars pass and determining whether they are persons of interest/locals/ innocent rubberneckers etc..

just a thought anyways...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:17:10 PM
Ocean , did you feel that what they are doing there is in regard to Amber, or something totally different?  Hard to imagine them having another major thing that close thought.  Thanks for your update.  Wonder why they would video the cars passing?  Any one have a thought about that?

It's been confirmed in our local newspaper that there current search in Scotchhill is related to Amber's disappearance.

I also find it odd that thay are searching so far from where she went missing. It's a very random spot that they are focusing on. This is day 2 of them searching that area and have SAR from neighbouring counties helping and coming back tomorrow to keep searching. There were divers in the water nearby too according to the paper. I believe they were given a tip, from who? Who knows. Some people are saying it's ironic that they started searching this location the same afternoon the RCMP re-questioned everyone the police had questioned. It very well could have been an annoynmous tip too of course.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 16, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
According to the evening news the person relating the message from S&R was telling that they were looking for evidence. So obviously articles have been found in that area that are possibly linked to Amber. They stated once again that they are sent for testing. So I believe that something has been found that belongs to Amber, but it has to be verified to confirm it. I thought that maybe Amber had been taken away from the vicinity she was in. I had thought that maybe a provincial park or some place that was a rest stop that someone knew about. So if they are looking a half hour drive from New Glasgow, then she was taken away from the area. So what is all the information about a 911 call on a cell phone. As I understood posts before, they indicated she did not have a cell phone with her. But if she did, this is certainly very important evidence. But if nobody answered the call, why would that be???? Just wondering about that. If the phone was taken from the person, then the dispatch could not know where to locate the caller. Hoping that answers come really soon on what did happen to this young beautiful girl. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:31:34 PM
Capeheart - I've heard/seen nothing since last night re: the cell phone call to 911. I'm assuming it was a cruel prank. The search hasn't changed direction since that call came in, and that call was traced to Foster Ave in Stellarton, which is a total different direction than the search. It was likely a call from the punks that are tearing down her missing pics all over the towns and posting "she's dead" on the BD groups.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 05:34:07 PM
Jay People are doing that, that is sick and they dont have a heart to do that kind of thing/
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 16, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
Capeheart - I've heard/seen nothing since last night re: the cell phone call to 911. I'm assuming it was a cruel prank. The search hasn't changed direction since that call came in, and that call was traced to Foster Ave in Stellarton, which is a total different direction than the search. It was likely a call from the punks that are tearing down her missing pics all over the towns and posting "she's dead" on the BD groups.

are you serious??? thats demented..... even though I dont know what BD group is..to tear down posters and put that....just who did she end up crossing paths with? thats actually very frightening when you really stop and think about it
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:37:52 PM
Jay People are doing that, that is sick and they dont have a heart to do that kind of thing/

Yup, they are. All over the county. Me, my son, and his friends put a ton up in our neighbourhood and many of them were taken down.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
wow maybe some one should watch for who ever is taking them down.  Who knows perhaps they are involved at the very least they dont have a heart.  Perhaps some one should let the police know about that.  you never know , do you. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
BD= FB, oopps!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:42:30 PM
I never thought about it being possible that someone involved taking them down. Others have said they seen some kids tearing them down in the next town over - but it's definitley something to consider!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 16, 2011, 05:44:04 PM
wow maybe some one should watch for who ever is taking them down.  Who knows perhaps they are involved at the very least they dont have a heart.  Perhaps some one should let the police know about that.  you never know , do you. 

thats a good idea, infact get it on video even better..... this reminds me of something that happened not that long ago in shubenacadie (i think it was shubie) anyways these ont. tourists were attacked 'vehicularly' and stuff on the road and the police said 'it was probally some initiation into some group' (i'll try to find the link)...... I know the 2 areas arent that close, but if it is a group of individuals and not a lone stranger ripping down the posters....like I said this case could take an even more frightening twist if you think about it
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 05:46:48 PM
Whispers - I hadn't heard of this story. It just goes to show the millions of things that could have happened to Amber - or anyone!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 16, 2011, 05:54:20 PM
yeah I know....and im having real difficulty finding the link to it....I thought I read it on the cbc but if I read it on the chronicle herald thats gone for good :S ....oh well I didnt mean to totally take the thread off topic but this whole situation is bizzarre with supposed posting to fb, calls/no calls , posters being torn down...just totally weird and for her to dissappear in such a short period of time......just so odd
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 05:57:31 PM
whisper I could be wrong, but i now that I have had emails similar to what you are saying.  Perhaps that is where you saw it.  That kind of thing about gang enitiation has been forwarded a lot through emails.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 16, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
Another spot they were searching was near the Gut Bridge which is in or near Pictou Landing. The news said it was Water Search and Rescue doing this search. I believe Amber and her boyfriend lived in that area. The helicopters today seemed to be right over the Scotch Hill area. There are alot of ATV trails in the area.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 16, 2011, 06:17:00 PM
i found the link, and sorry it was stewiakce
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/09/07/ns-stewiacke-road-attack.html

i wont copy and paste it here,but take a read.... it's probally unrelated but interesting nonetheless.. with bizarro happenings
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 16, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
Can anyone confirm if Amber and her boyfriend lived near the Gut Bridge? And/or where they lived in comparison to the area the police seem to be concentrated this weekend?

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 06:20:09 PM
Oceansalt - I'm pretty sure that they live on Pictou Landing rd, but not that far out. Still - same general direction outside of town.

Whisper - I'm going to take a look at that link for sure!

Here's a new video re: the search
http://atlantic.ctv.ca/?video=550613?video=550613
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
A concerned - Thanks for clearing up where they rent- i was only going by what I read. I totally agree with you on how it's affecting everyone. Her poor, poor friends. They are so torn between Mason and what's being said about him, as well as their guilt about the "what if's" had they walked her to Big Al's. I am not friends with Amber but I know her brother well and our Dad's have known each other for years. I've seen her over the years but never in a personal way. I know I feel so ill everytime some news comes out, and I can barely eat or sleep. If that's the toll it's taking on ME, basically a stranger to her, then I can't imagine how those close to her feel. The basics of life like food and sleep must illude them becasue they are ALWAYS doing things to help. It's wonderful that they care so much but they have to take care of themselves too before they crash :S
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 16, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
This is total speculation. .. but have any of you considered the following...

Is it possible that whatever happened to this young girl, did not happen between als and dooleys.  Perhaps it didnt happen until she returned home? An argument gone wrong?

I know the shoes were supposedly found between als and dooleys.. but is it possible they could have been planted after the fact? Especially considering that there have been reports/rumours that the area they were found in was previously searched and turned up nothing.

I'm not accusing anyone, or attempting to offend anyone. Just wondering if anyone else had considered this to be a possibility
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 06:42:38 PM
Lots of people have speculated it may have happened at home (or elsewhere) but according to numerous people confirming that she never showed up at Big Als to be picked up. Cameras show Mason there but never Amber. All the friends she was with confirmed that's where she said he was picking her up.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 06:46:47 PM
from A concerned parent:
Quote
What is bothering me right now, is the toll this is taking on the entire community, not to mention our kids. The way Mason is being portrayed in the media is certainly not the way his "friends' behind the scenes are portraying him. It seems they are all afraid of implicating him because they are not sure what to think. He is very convincing to them.

That won't change the course of this investigation one way or the other. I think D1 said it well in his post, quoted below.

from D1:
Quote
If Amber remains missing or is found murdered, a wide net will be cast for the killer. Mason will obviously be included whether his family or friends believe he should be or not. He will be publicly exonerated if and when another guilty party is found. If innocent he will have to go through the process to be ruled out same as any other poi. Nothing personal, just the way it is.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 06:49:20 PM
concernedanon
This is total speculation. .. but have any of you considered the following...

Is it possible that whatever happened to this young girl, did not happen between als and dooleys.  Perhaps it didnt happen until she returned home? An argument gone wrong?

I know the shoes were supposedly found between als and dooleys.. but is it possible they could have been planted after the fact? Especially considering that there have been reports/rumours that the area they were found in was previously searched and turned up nothing.

I'm not accusing anyone, or attempting to offend anyone. Just wondering if anyone else had considered this to be a possibility

There is video of Amber leaving Dooleys towards Big Als. And then there is no footage of her arriving at Big Al's but there is footage of Mason waiting for her.

Concerned Parent
I believe from the posts you have made you are more concerned with one young man's every move......Most of what you are posting is hersay.....before posting these thoughts, are these
a) coming from what you personally have witnessed
or
b) have heard from others.

I find the few posts you have made directed purely towards one person, who has yet to be proven guilty.  Leave that decision to a jury, and the police investigating this crime please.

UPDATE: Just read debbiec response to A concerned parent.......and this summarizes it best....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 06:51:58 PM

from A concerned parent:
Quote
What are the chances in a well lit place, this girl was grabbed and no one saw anything? Really.

This is certainly not impossible. We have cases on this site where similar things have happened. Vanished into thin air, sometimes in the middle of the day. Almost like they have been "plucked" off the face of the earth.

Nothing is impossible.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 16, 2011, 06:54:02 PM
Quote
[quoteThis is total speculation. .. but have any of you considered the following...

Is it possible that whatever happened to this young girl, did not happen between als and dooleys.  Perhaps it didnt happen until she returned home? An argument gone wrong?

I know the shoes were supposedly found between als and dooleys.. but is it possible they could have been planted after the fact? Especially considering that there have been reports/rumours that the area they were found in was previously searched and turned up nothing.

I'm not accusing anyone, or attempting to offend anyone. Just wondering if anyone else had considered this to be a possibility
]
[/quote]

...I can't resist;  this is a most logical comment .  ...was wondering when it would come up.  Amber may very well have gone elsewhere after the club .... home, a friends, anywhere.... maybe more than one location.  If nobody saw her after she split up with her friends, anything is possible.  And that observation is just plain logical;  it doesn't point fingers at anyone in particular.  To protest too loudly is not wise!  imho

One thing that keeps coming back at me when reading this thread is the fact that she had to walk to Big Als to meet the BF.  If they were on normal or good terms with one-another, the logical thing for a guy to do is walk her to the car .... regardless of circumstances.  I don't think he was anymore invisible to cops cruising by being parked in the car at Big Als than he would be walking to Dooly's and picking up his girlfriend.  ??? I just find that odd.  Guess I'm old school, and still believe in guys watching out for girls.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 16, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
Concerned. How is it possible that he is taking money out of the donation boxes to buy cigarettes. I thought all donations were going into a bank account. No one should be able to dip into them. Seems he is developing a cocky attitude. Not nice.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 16, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
Perhaps she got home some other way? And perhaps the boyfriend was then angered by the fact that he was waiting at als while she was already at home? Although it sounds like it might be a far walk for her to get home, and I'm sure if she had gotten a ride home with a friend or in a taxi that they would have come forward...

I hate to keep coming back to the boyfriend, but having past experience in an abusive relationship,  I have come to recognize the signs.   I get a bad feeling when I see his reactions/responses, and when I hear other people speaking about him (even the way people word the "good" about a person can be telling). I sincerely hope for the sake of Amber/ her and his family/ and their friends that my intuition is wrong on this one.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: halifax902 on October 16, 2011, 06:55:23 PM
I also understand it like concerned did.  I have heard and there has been NO official report saying Mason was seen on camera's at Big Al's. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
 Even if Mason is publicly exonerated, there will always be some people who will doubt it. He will never be completely trusted by everyone because of all the doubt people have about him now. As I've said before - I personally think he's not involved, and for his sake I hope they find out who is responsible ASAP. Pictou County has people that would probably take matters into there own hands and deal with Mason themselves. I've been scared since the beginning that someone could do something to him, thinking he's guilty without proof. No one in particular of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
I saw a group of people who were out (must have been at the vigil) discussing him buying the smokes and fireworks. I don't know what that's about, but I heard it as well.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
[quote author=lostlinganer link=topic=5383.msg72797#msg72797 date=1318812842

One thing that keeps coming back at me when reading this thread is the fact that she had to walk to Big Als to meet the BF.  If they were on normal or good terms with one-another, the logical thing for a guy to do is walk her to the car .... regardless of circumstances.  I don't think he was anymore invisible to cops cruising by being parked in the car at Big Als than he would be walking to Dooly's and picking up his girlfriend.  ??? I just find that odd.  Guess I'm old school, and still believe in guys watching out for girls.
[/quote]
This is something me and my husband did when we were first together.  He did not have his license, if he'd had a few and was tired I wouldn't argue. Does it make him a lazy man......maybe. Never bothered me, mind you, when I became pregnant, that changed the rules completely.   Does it make him a gentleman.....probably not. But this isn't the day and age when men get out and open the door for women.  We're talking about 19 year old male and a 19 year old woman.  We do not know how their arrangements go.
I don't believe this means anything.......in accordance to the case itself.  Nor does asking someone to buy cigarettes for him, or disappearing for hours at a time (um......he's been searching his little butt off folks......sleep is still a necessary requirement to existing, last I checked) ;)


I agree with debbiec....anything is possible.



Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:07:11 PM
FWIW - as much as I don't agree with Mason's behaviour and that odds would be that he's involved, my gut instincts are that is was random. I have no proof and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I will question things until I get confirmed answers, but regardless I just want her home first and THEN we can worry about who's involved.

I would assume since the authorities aren't warning us to be careful or on guard that they don't think this'll be a serial "thing"?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:07:36 PM
I saw a group of people who were out (must have been at the vigil) discussing him buying the smokes and fireworks. I don't know what that's about, but I heard it as well.

Once again....this is hearsay.

I will remind you, anyone who is an actual friend to someone does not go around spreading rumors about said friend. It's just not proper etiquette.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 16, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
Concerned Parent, If you know all of this to be fact/you are so sure, why don't you go to the police then?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 16, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
I thought the donations were for the family and I don't think a BF is family. He seems to be really enjoying the attention. Better for him to lie low and stop speculation regarding his attitude. Grabbing 5's and 10's from donation boxes is totally wrong. People have a hard time financially in this day and age and would hate to think their bit of money was being wasted like that. Police should be told about this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 16, 2011, 07:11:38 PM
A $5,000 reward would be alot of money to a young person. If any one in the two camps (her friends and his friends) know something............

Police said that they have things of evidentiary value. So, I think they have a fair idea as to  what happened to Valerie, and are confident that they are searching the right areas.

Bless both of the families, and the townsfolk of Pictou County.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:13:18 PM
I thought the donations were for the family and I don't think a BF is family. He seems to be really enjoying the attention. Better for him to lie low and stop speculation regarding his attitude. Grabbing 5's and 10's from donation boxes is totally wrong. People have a hard time financially in this day and age and would hate to think their bit of money was being wasted like that. Police should be told about this.

People are setting up the funds for "The Kirwan's and Mason". The money wouldn't have been in the bank yet since it'll be closed until tomorrow. So "if" he did take the money (yes, hearsay) he would have access to it since it seems it's "mostly" all his friends running the benefit/fundraisers (maybe not, but I know his cousin spearheaded the benefit night). People are upset that the money will help him instead of just the family, but to be fair since Amber is gone she will have bills to be paid too. Probably 1/2 their rent and utilities are her responsibility. Also, as for the bank account, when they are set up it is in a manner so that one person can't go in and wipe it out - so that's not a possibility.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 16, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Posted on the online scanner page:

Pictou County Public Safety

Status: Until further notice, ALL law enforcement channels are turned off. This is due to the out of control Facebook posts of "I heard this on the scanner" and the ridiculous rumors that come from those comments in relation to the Amber Kirwan case.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:16:46 PM
A concerned - are you saying they stopped searching 100 ft before there home - not IN their home?


Also, can someone explain what an evidenciary search is as opposed to another kind? Are they searching for her? Or just evidence? Sorry if it's a stupid question!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 16, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
Glad the scanner has be shut down. The way peoles mouths ar4e running is crazy... Not to mention RUINING peoples lives... All very sad.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 16, 2011, 07:19:18 PM
Jellybean you keep saying Valerie . Her name is Amber. I agree with you about the money. It should be going to her family.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
if she was attacked in between big als and dooly's he would have seen it happen.

There is a short distance where HE wouldn't be able to see her from Big Al's. But if something did happene there, then people at Dooly's should have been able to see her. Someone HAD to have seen something!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:27:54 PM
For those curious about how the TD Donation accounts work....

When an account is set up for monetary donations there is usually one or two trust holders.  Meaning the account is set up primarily for entering the money, but the cash can only be withdrawn by the two trustees.

Because of the issue with who is getting this money, I am fairly positive any funds raised that go into this account are not being withdrawn by any family member, friend, or the bf himself personally.

The Trustee(s) would need to be a lawyer, or someone the family trusts to take care of the account.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
Way too much time is being spent here talking about Mason. As I've said in the past, some here think he is involved and some do not. That will remain to be seen. It is not up to us to try him in the court of public opinion.

This thread is for Amber.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:33:09 PM
I believe debbiec would know what this particular forum is for....... :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
Am I wrong in thinking that in these sort of cases, the missing person's home would be one of the first places investigated?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:36:17 PM
Jay,
Am I wrong in thinking that in these sort of cases, the missing person's home would be one of the first places investigated?

[/b]

Not in the least. If the bf was a person of interest, in this case the person's home, car, land, would be checked first and foremost.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:38:33 PM
Jay,
Am I wrong in thinking that in these sort of cases, the missing person's home would be one of the first places investigated?

[/b]

Not in the least. If the bf was a person of interest, in this case the person's home, car, land, would be checked first and foremost.

So they wouldn't have to have a ridiculous search warrant to search beacuse she lived with someone?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
Jay,
Am I wrong in thinking that in these sort of cases, the missing person's home would be one of the first places investigated?

[/b]

Not in the least. If the bf was a person of interest, in this case the person's home, car, land, would be checked first and foremost.

So they wouldn't have to have a ridiculous search warrant to search beacuse she lived with someone?


Mind you, I am not law enforcement, but I would think that the home would have been voluntarily offered up for search from the very beginning. The would have needed to get articles of Amber's in order to do a proper search with the K-9 unit.  My understanding has been that this young man has been nothing but forthcoming with the police in every aspect.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 16, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
Without a doubt- it is a pressure cooker here and on other on line sites. Personally I think that may be a good thing. At some point someone will bow to the pressure and hopefully open their mouths.  If as concerned parent indicates some of the young people are now coming forward- that is a good thing. I am sure some of Ambers friends did not like her BF...that would be normal human nature of teenage girls.  I hope if that is the case- they have expressed their concerns to the police.

No one knows what was said in the conversation between Amber and the BF when he said she called to go pick her up. A lot of the information from that point on is based solely on what the BF has told people. Possibly self serving. So we can take that with a grain of salt.

I have major issues with the fund raising- now they are talking bottle drives and gathering pennies. Yes, bills have to be paid, but that would be the last thing on my mind.  I fully support the funds raised for the reward. But under no circumstances should any money be disbursed now to anyone from donation boxes set up in the various locations - ie: mall & Rec Centre.  There needs to be a proper accounting and accountability.

As the name says..IMHO

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:44:38 PM
Hags- I knew that some have been taken down and replaced due to the phone #, but the ones we put up were the the two newest ones, both with crimestoppers #. It's just sad :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 16, 2011, 07:44:47 PM
Sad333.  Sorry, I know it is Amber.  Hmm., no excuse on my part.  We do have a thread on here for a young lady in Quebec, same age as Amber, who was found murdered, and I guess I have her in "back of my mind"

I am beginning to see, after reading much of the posts, why Mason is seen by some as being involved somehow. Posters  have their right to express their reasons for feeling the way that they do.  It doesn't have to be all one sided.

Items of evidentiary value, means that what they have found are things that could be used in court should an arrest be made. Example - the shoe.  They are still looking for items of evidentiary value.  And the search for Amber, of course,   continues as well.
His home, where she lived, may have already been searched.  And if not, why not?   We don't know.

About the funds?  I agree IMHO.

JB

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 16, 2011, 07:48:15 PM
IMHO

I agree with you 100% in regards to donations being made. In no way or means whatsoever should any of this money anywhere but straight into the TD bank account that has been set up.  My personal feelings on the matter of the donations are as follows:

They were started merely for assistance and support to the family and the search campaign.  If monies are being raised and spent in any other way the persons spending the money should be held accountable and have to pay back the cash made.

If the bf is dipping his fingers into the till.....then those keeping an account (and believe me there are people doing so) will be making a note of anything spent on his behalf and what he owes, if persay he is responsible in any sense for the young ladies disappearance.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 07:49:20 PM
JB - thanks for clearing up the evidenciary search question. I just found it odd the way they expressed so clearly thats the kind of search they were doing as opposed to just saying they were still searching
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 16, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
Hag - no, it was his cousin who is spearheading the benefit being held on the 28th.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
Everyone here is entitled to an opinion, however we can not have people directly accusing anyone. This is not a court and we are not judge and jury.

This thread is for Amber Kirwin.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 08:31:22 PM
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Either way, it has nothing to do with finding Amber. I'm hoping whatever activity happened this evening is the last piece of the puzzle to finding her.

Thank you and you are right.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 08:37:18 PM
Truly hope with the intensity of searches going on today that they find her, and find her alive.  Thoughts and prayers for the family and friends and people who love Amber that it is resolved soon.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 16, 2011, 08:42:40 PM
There is 145 guests on this forum tonight...and today a record was broken for the most viewers.  That goes to show how many people are hoping for some answers in Amber's disappearance.  It goes to show how many of you "down easteners" care for Amber.  We all do, but it is so evident on this thread that so many people care.   

I hope the person who has the answers will step forward and talk. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 16, 2011, 08:50:27 PM
Yes, this thread is about Amber.  Amber did not live in a bubble.  She had parents, she had friends, she had classmates, she had co-workers, and she had a special guy in her life.  It may also be possible, that she had a secret admirer, unknown to Aamber and to others. 

Were there any "new faces" at Dooley's that night?
Was there any particular person who stared at her for long periods of time?

Did anyone leave shortly after Amber left Dooley's?  She was caught on the video leaving Dooley's, I believe. - or was there anyone who left a few minutes prior to Amber leaving the bldg?

All of that being asked, I have the impression that police are confident that they are on the right track.
And yes there are times, that a person is NEVER FOUND.

JB



Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
Levi wondering why you think some one is about to be arrested?  Do you know that or is that just your opinion?  If you know something please keep us updated.  Many of us are up till all hours even though we dont know Ambers worrying and praying she is found safe.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 16, 2011, 09:06:05 PM
Thanks Levi.  Please refresh my memory, are you from the same place that Amber is missing from?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Levi on October 16, 2011, 09:17:04 PM
Thanks Levi.  Please refresh my memory, are you from the same place that Amber is missing from?


About 150 kms away.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 16, 2011, 09:42:41 PM
   I have been following the threads for a few days now and I am curious as to why nobody has asked an obvious question…What about the possibility of a friend that was at their home the night she went missing had left early knowing that Amber would be going to meet Mason at Big Al’s? I know it appears as though Mason is the responsible person here but there is a chance that some sicko friend grabbed her. Say that was the case, Amber wouldn’t have thought twice about getting a ride with a friend of theirs especially due to the driving arrangements that they had made this night and previous times. This person could have been waiting for the chance to get her and told her Mason had too much to drink and he had to drive her home? Just wondering if anyone had left his house to "go home early”

  I am from Pictou County and I understand their circumstances as to her leaving the phone and him waiting for her at Big Al’s. I know money isn’t easy to come by there so I feel that those reasons are justified. They probably share the same phone and “probably” a pay and talk phone as well. That would also explain if he wasn’t calling non-stop trying to track her down. What I don’t understand is if this is so out of character for Amber than why the hell did he give up so easy? He could have left his car at Big Al’s and went to the bar to locate friends to help him track her down.

   On another note about his driving arrangements, unless it has changed, Trenton Road was known for the police to patrol and pull over drivers, especially right before the graveyard. Why would he risk driving by there to only wait a hop, skip, and a jump away from Dooley’s?

   As for the dipping into the donation boxes! WOW!!!! I understand there is boxes throughout the community and assume that they will be handed over to the TD Fund but I do not feel that anyone should be dipping into it….and for CIGGERETTES!!!! As I have mention earlier that money isn’t easy to come by and to think that cigarettes are being bought when I am sure that most people that have been donating don’t even buy store bought cigarettes, because they can’t AFFORD them, they smoke ROLLIES!

   It has been mentioned that Mason will need rent money and that Amber most likely paid half the rent. Fair enough, so the rent would have been paid before Amber went missing right? As for next month, with the generosity of Pictou County people I am sure the landlord would be more than understanding if Mason was short if not then let the donations be distributed accordingly.

   There is a very short distance from Dooley’s to Big Al’s that is a bit isolated. However from Dooley’s she would be seen to the fork in the road and from that fork she would be visible to anyone at Big Al’s parking lot. This is why I feel it is someone she knows and got into their vehicle without second guessing. There wouldn’t be any struggle to alarm anyone, so therefore I feel that is how Amber left without a trace.

   I hope the friends soon speak out about everything they know. Even if it means them losing  a friendship with mason. Hopefully they can save a life!

Sorry for the long post!
Thoughts and prayers are with Amber’s loved ones.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 16, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
Schooner your right nothing adds up here. Dipping into the boxes should never be allowed. Each store should take the money and put in an envelope for the bank.  Grabbing 5's and 10's for smokes really bugs me. He seems to be enjoying all this attention. If he has bills he should be at work and leave it to the authorities to find out the truth. Keep busy and let the right ones do the search. Her family is a different story they must be heartbroken. I cannot even imagine what they are going through. Bring the little girl home safely.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 16, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
To be driving around looking for her in an illegal car... I don't understand. The community has pulled together so much that i am sure someone would offer to drive him around or to the rec center.

  I hope "concerned parent" can convince those kids to start talking! I am very interested to know if all the people that were at his apartment were still there when he got back and how long he was gone for????? I am sure the police have asked these questions and interviewed everyone that was there. As part of their investigation i guess there are some things we are not meant to know just yet. I strongly feel that the police know who took her or they would be warning the public if it was a random act. Hopefully they are waiting for this "person" to lead them to her!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 16, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
On the fb page for Amber it ws posted by (anonymous got privacy reasons)

"Just got back from uptown, put another candle up for Amber, and re-lit the ones that went out.
If someone can tell me if Mason decides to restart the search that was to occur tonight that would be great. He said about 30 minutes ago he would be posting it on fb once he can get a phone and figure out whats going to happen tonight.
Praying you're found soon Amber, we all want you home safe and sound ♥"


....I thought if he was a POI (which I am not sure the police have released a statement on)..that he would be banned from searching. I am not sure maybe this is more of a community organization or what...but I think the police should be aware who is going. I thought they had to pass a a strcit police test to become a volunteer searcher? Confused...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 16, 2011, 10:17:08 PM


I hope the person who has the answers will step forward and talk.

I think the person who has the answers is about to be arrested.

I just hope something breaks, soon. I'm worried for these kids - I'm not sure they'll be able to cope after having their nerves strung out like this for so long.

 I think we all know that with every passing day the likelihood of this little girl coming home unharmed goes down. Bad things happen in this area, too - it was what, four years ago the Hayward fellow went missing, and it was almost two years until they found his body, but that case didn't create the attention this one has, even though he disappeared in broad daylight. Heck, the Evening News has had it on front page every day for a week and I know those poor reporters are working extra time to cover all this, and that sure didn't happen with the Hayward case.

I don't much care who did what at this point, it just needs to end before everyone snaps. All the rumors are driving everyone mad, but goodness knows there's always a little truth to the Pictou County Rumor Mill.

I find it odd, the section of the county they're focusing on so keenly, yet police are still insisting it's a missing persons case. They must suspect foul play by now, because goodness knows the poor girl wouldn't walk all that way by herself, being seen by no one, shoeless, in the middle of the night, and stay there for a week. It's ridiculous to even think that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 16, 2011, 10:26:45 PM
Also what was the timeline between when the boyfriend saw she was not at Al's and made the 9/11 call? I have heard that it was not until early morning. Just looking for clarification on this?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 16, 2011, 10:32:08 PM
Pleasecomehome - he's been leading private searches all week, I remember hearing he'd done the track behind the graveyard on Trenton Rd specifically, but he's not on a SAR team to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 16, 2011, 10:35:48 PM
from schooner:
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I am sure the police have asked these questions and interviewed everyone that was there. As part of their investigation i guess there are some things we are not meant to know just yet.

I'm sure the police have asked all the questions that we have asked here, and many more. As in any investigation they will not divulge information that will compromise the case. Yes, there will be things that we are not meant to know yet. I would be skeptical of those acting like they are privy to inside information. It is likely not much more than rumour and speculation at this point.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 17, 2011, 12:04:35 AM
NO there is no criteria for being a volunteer searcher. A few years ago in Edmonton, a man led a search party looking for his missing wife. Not surprisingly, he found her dead in a ditch. He ended up being convicted of her murder.

That said, I am glad he is out looking, and her friends and such. That community has a great spirit and I wish more places responded as quickly and with as much enthusiam as this one.

On the fb page for Amber it ws posted by (anonymous got privacy reasons)

"Just got back from uptown, put another candle up for Amber, and re-lit the ones that went out.
If someone can tell me if Mason decides to restart the search that was to occur tonight that would be great. He said about 30 minutes ago he would be posting it on fb once he can get a phone and figure out whats going to happen tonight.
Praying you're found soon Amber, we all want you home safe and sound ♥"


....I thought if he was a POI (which I am not sure the police have released a statement on)..that he would be banned from searching. I am not sure maybe this is more of a community organization or what...but I think the police should be aware who is going. I thought they had to pass a a strcit police test to become a volunteer searcher? Confused...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 17, 2011, 12:09:29 AM
I agree with that. The police have nto said anything in days, and when they did, they said they were processing evidence. And it sounded like they were doing a very specific search recetnly too. I hope this means they are building a case right now!



I hope the person who has the answers will step forward and talk.

I think the person who has the answers is about to be arrested.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 17, 2011, 01:27:24 AM
I'm not a "big fan" of police since years, but the winds of change have been blowing around; I've got a strong feeling these police are not one bit stupid.  I don't think they will make any mistakes here.  I think someone will be ending up locked away for a long...long time over this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 05:39:04 AM
I'm not a "big fan" of police since years, but the winds of change have been blowing around; I've got a strong feeling these police are not one bit stupid.  I don't think they will make any mistakes here.  I think someone will be ending up locked away for a long...long time over this.

I believe that is why they are being so thorough with every tip they receive. It is best to leave no stone unturned, especially in the case of a missing person. Bringing in the RCMP Crime Team was an excellent move on behalf of the New Glasgow Police detachment.

I would like to remind everyone at this point:
There have been no statements verifying any articles have been submitted as evidence in this particular case, they have only been sent for forensic testing.
Rumors about someone's car being impounded last evening, may have more to do with a certain individual driving around without proper insurance and paperwork, rather than being directly related to this case.

And finally.... “If you didn't see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears, don't think it with your small mind and spread it with your big mouth!”   :D

Assuming makes an ass out of You and Me. So always use an objective mind frame.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 05:57:06 AM
NO there is no criteria for being a volunteer searcher. A few years ago in Edmonton, a man led a search party looking for his missing wife. Not surprisingly, he found her dead in a ditch. He ended up being convicted of her murder.

That said, I am glad he is out looking, and her friends and such. That community has a great spirit and I wish more places responded as quickly and with as much enthusiam as this one.

On the fb page for Amber it ws posted by (anonymous got privacy reasons)

"Just got back from uptown, put another candle up for Amber, and re-lit the ones that went out.
If someone can tell me if Mason decides to restart the search that was to occur tonight that would be great. He said about 30 minutes ago he would be posting it on fb once he can get a phone and figure out whats going to happen tonight.
Praying you're found soon Amber, we all want you home safe and sound ♥"


....I thought if he was a POI (which I am not sure the police have released a statement on)..that he would be banned from searching. I am not sure maybe this is more of a community organization or what...but I think the police should be aware who is going. I thought they had to pass a a strcit police test to become a volunteer searcher? Confused...

Chris with all due respect I would ask you not to come up with your own answers to questions as this one is wrong. There is criteria to be a volunteer Searcher, whether the person is on the local SAR team or whether they just want to help for a specific file.

It varies from Province to Province but there IS criteria which must be met and has been posted (parts of it) in my earlier posts. Note to anyone thinking that hey can just go search... if you aren't cleared to do so by the police you are actually liable to face charges for obstruction of Justice. Please get the facts for your local area before assuming anyone.. even someone listed as an admin is right.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 06:21:03 AM
Jay,
Am I wrong in thinking that in these sort of cases, the missing person's home would be one of the first places investigated?

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Not in the least. If the bf was a person of interest, in this case the person's home, car, land, would be checked first and foremost.

So they wouldn't have to have a ridiculous search warrant to search beacuse she lived with someone?


Mind you, I am not law enforcement, but I would think that the home would have been voluntarily offered up for search from the very beginning. The would have needed to get articles of Amber's in order to do a proper search with the K-9 unit.  My understanding has been that this young man has been nothing but forthcoming with the police in every aspect.

Couple of notes and corrections:

Yes the police would have searched the residence.
Yes they would have needed a search warrant, unless invited in by any resident over the age of 18 who lives there.
No K9 would not have needed articles from there. This is a myth of sorts.. in Canada we generally dont use scent discrimination dogs. This is why people have to stay out of areas where K9 is going in. They hit on human scent which is left because skin rafts which are falling off us like crazy.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 06:25:28 AM
GSAR,

Thank you for clarifying this....:) We learn new things every day!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 06:29:29 AM
GSAR,

Thank you for clarifying this....:) We learn new things every day!

No problem, people still do their owb searches... It's a fact we deal with but I have had Seargants issue the warning that any civilians that went into the woods would be arrested on the spot for obstruction. In a case like this with a huge area its tough for then to control. All will show in the end but if Mason finds her... In a case like that I would suspect he will be arrested swiftly. Again not saying he did it but when the significant other finds the subject in these cases that's what the history shows..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 06:43:09 AM
A house can only be searched under two conditions, 1- if they have consent or 2- if they have the grounds (which is what is needed for a search warrant). Same for the car under these circumstances. So if you are correct in saying that the house was already searched, then it would have to be under one of these two conditions.

Suggesting it has been searched would be a better term.. I know before I said it more factually. I would presume it has been searched as i know it would be here in NB.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sweetgirlns on October 17, 2011, 06:47:32 AM
It has not been mentioned about a lie detector test,I know if I was innocent I would want to prove it somehow and get the focus of the investigation where it should be.If the boyfriend had nothing to do with this as he said,that should be the first thing HE asks for.Then the police would not be wasting time where he is concerned and look at other leads.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 06:56:11 AM
It has not been mentioned about a lie detector test,I know if I was innocent I would want to prove it somehow and get the focus of the investigation where it should be.If the boyfriend had nothing to do with this as he said,that should be the first thing HE asks for.Then the police would not be wasting time where he is concerned and look at other leads.

Polygraphs are not common and are easy to cheat. It's all about heart rate and breathing. No i dont have experience here.. just what fellow LE members have told me.

But it couldn't hurt! I like that idea.


GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 07:08:17 AM
Event girl I think that link takes us to your home page, you may not want that posted on here , just a thought.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 07:22:56 AM
Has their been anything new reported, or any other searches started in the area?  Are the police still searching where they were last night anyone local know?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 07:40:22 AM
Before the scanners were shut down yesterday, I did hear an officer say "I just received word we will continue the SAR tomorrow at the site". He rquested more bodies to keep the site secure over night and a body for the next day (today).
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 07:43:59 AM
thanks Pc.  Hoping today is more productive in bringing Amber home. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 08:26:27 AM
Let's just keep our posts down to talking about the fact that Amber is missing and the search to bring her home. It really doesn't matter here what anyone's personal opinion of Mason is. In the end, that will not have anything to do with the investigation. His guilt or innocence will be based on evidence.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 08:27:49 AM
It's on the Evening News website they're searching the woods by the Big Gut Bridge, near Amber's house, today. They have four SAR teams from around the province out looking. But I also understand they're not looking in any other areas.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:38:28 AM
Makes me think with 4 sars team they must think they will find her, or find something related to her.  Hope they have a good , dry clear day for searching.  Hoping the local people will keep us updated.  Thanks so much for your post.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
This is the first time I've been on here to post.  I've been reading this thread now for days and I just hope that they find this beautiful girl:(  Having kids myself, I cannot imagine what her parents are going through. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 08:55:10 AM
He is a POI....they now have his car. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:02:37 AM
no one has said it was okay to either defend or accuse Mason or any one else.  This thread is about Amber and the mods are simply trying to keep it focused on her rather than on arguments for or agains any said person.  Does the last poster know for a fact why the police have the car?  Is it in regard to Amber or is I because he was driving it uninsured?  Is it fact or speculation?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 17, 2011, 09:05:09 AM
Makes me think with 4 sars team they must think they will find her, or find something related to her. Hope they have a good , dry clear day for searching. Hoping the local people will keep us updated.  Thanks so much for your post.

No it is a wet cold day- I fully expect the rain to turn to snow. I pray that Amber is returned to her parents today.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
His car was taken for normal precautions in a missing persons case......this was posted on the FB page by someone who was talking to him last night.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:11:38 AM
I imagine the not so nice weather makes it even harder for the sars in their search.  Wishing them sucess today in finding at least something.  The whole county is rooting for Amber> I know that I am in Ontario.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:15:57 AM
I am sure that it is a normal part of any investigation to take the car to search and test it,  also am sure if they havent search her home they will.  Regardless of if there is guilt associated or not it would be normal for the police to search both I would think?  What is the time difference in that province can any one tell me (from Ont.)  Here it is 11:15 am,  I am thinking it is one hour diffence but not sure which way?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
NS is 1 hour ahead
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:19:39 AM
I am thinking the same....that the police will search everything necessary to rule out suspicions, etc.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Thanks Kim
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 09:20:33 AM
Makes me think with 4 sars team they must think they will find her, or find something related to her. Hope they have a good , dry clear day for searching. Hoping the local people will keep us updated.  Thanks so much for your post.

No it is a wet cold day- I fully expect the rain to turn to snow. I pray that Amber is returned to her parents today.

The number of teams doesnt quite play into the evidence factor. In NB we now roll 3 teams for every call and it is because the number of volunteers in Canada is going down no matter what the organization is.

GSAR_Mbr
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 17, 2011, 09:21:13 AM
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-community-other-Amber-Kirwan-Missing-Get-the-word-out-W0QQAdIdZ321346514


this was posted on halifax kijiji...thought i'd put it here...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:21:59 AM
You're welcome eyeswideopen:)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:22:39 AM
Thanks Gsar,  I didn't know that.  So would four be normal, do you think or do you think they called in an extra one?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
Wouldn't they want as many SAR as they could get? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
It's 15 °C here in New Glasgow.......don't think it will snow, but it is windy and raining.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:30:44 AM
This is what Alan Hatfield wrote on his FB page last night....."Alan Hatfield As I am curently working on this case, all information that I receive is passed on to the proper authorities, then it is looked at. Just keep Amber and her family in prayer..a resolve to this is surely forth-coming:)"
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 09:32:25 AM
Wow the rumours and speculation are certainly flying after yesterdays' pictures in the papers. It's understandable considering the first pic of Heathbell road contained just one vehicle....then later many vehicles. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:34:30 AM
I am wondering who is Alan Hatfield, I think I missed something here?  Can you fill me in.

I guess as in all small towns lots of rumors and speculations.  Just hope they are all ended soon with facts and she is found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 09:36:45 AM
He does readings.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:39:22 AM
He is a professional pyschic and spirit medium.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 09:39:40 AM
Yes, I agree it would be nice to see Amber reunited with loved ones.  At this point, I don't feel that this is going to have a happy ending.  I feel too much time has passed.  The only thing I can honestly think at this point is she either got kidnapped and taken somewhere outside NS or....the other outcome which nobody wants to have happen.  I believe it was a targeted attack on Amber personally.  P.S- I'm not a member of Facebook, so I don't know who the Hatfield person is either.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 09:41:15 AM
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Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 09:44:08 AM
Alan is a psychic from this area. Infact I believe he lives in the area Mason and Amber live (Pictou Landing). He is well known in NS and thought to be one of the best.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 09:46:14 AM

Thanks to all of you for helping to keep this thread on track.

no one has said it was okay to either defend or accuse Mason or any one else.  This thread is about Amber and the mods are simply trying to keep it focused on her rather than on arguments for or agains any said person.  Does the last poster know for a fact why the police have the car?  Is it in regard to Amber or is I because he was driving it uninsured?  Is it fact or speculation?

Thank you Eyes. There have been those that have defended Mason but that would be because of the accusations made by others. It's a vicious cycle that is counter productive. We can not allow this thread to deteriorate into an argument between two divided sides. Our focus here needs to remain on Amber and the search to bring her home. It appears that the police are doing everything they can to find out what happened to Amber.

In the end it will not matter what anyone thinks of Mason, or anyone else. It will be the evidence that will speak for itself.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 09:51:22 AM
I am not familiar with police procedure.  I copy and pasted that from the FB page. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
Your welcome Debbiec and yet this site needs to be kept on track, totally agree.  I would think the care being taken as a precaution simply means the care was taken to be searched so that all bases are covered.  If there was indeed a warrent for the car that would also be covering all bases by the police.  God forbide they should find something in the car they would be unable to use it in court if they had not first obtained a warrent.  Of course it would be forensic that would go over the care,  they are the ones who look for evidence not a regular police officer.  They are the ones who can determine if something is blood or something as simple as pink tranmision flood .  So that would make sense to me at least.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 17, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-16/article-2778940/UPDATE%3A-Police-focus-search-near-missing-teens-Pictou-Landing-home/1
newest update
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 10:03:04 AM
Levi.... just wondering why you say " with a warrant, followed by the forensic unit". Is that fact?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 10:03:52 AM
UPDATE: 12:03 p.m. Oct. 17 – PICTOU LANDING –

The main focus of Monday’s search for missing teen Amber Kirwan is the wooded area around her home, says Const. Ken MacDonald with New Glasgow Police Services.

Search and Rescue teams have completed the search of the Heathbell area and are now focusing their efforts in Pictou Landing.

MacDonald says there’s “not much I can divulge” about the outcome of the search in Heathbell.

Search and Rescue teams from Halifax, Colchester and Spring Hill are joining Pictou County Volunteer Ground Search and Rescue to search the area.
 

UPDATE: 8:51 a.m. Oct. 17 – NEW GLASGOW – Four Search and Rescue teams from around Nova Scotia will continue to search for Amber Kirwan today.

Teams from Pictou County will be joined by their counterparts in Halifax, Springhill and Colchester County. Currently, they are finishing a search near the Big Gut Bridge in Pictou Landing but other wooded and water areas of interest at various locations through the county will be searches.

Police are still urging people not to draw any conclusions when they notice police conducting searches throughout Pictou County, says Const. Ken MacDonald with New Glasgow Police Services.

Police also want to reinforce that information in relation to this case will be updated by police through police information press releases and not through social media sites.


Today, police investigation will also focus on following-up on tips and information and collecting possible items of interest provided by the public.

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NEW GLASGOW – The search for Amber Kirwan intensified as police focused in on two locations in the county this past weekend.

New Glasgow Police Services, which is now integrated its investigation with the RCMP, along with ground search and rescue teams, were set up at the Heathbell Road near Lyons Brook and Hidden Cove Road, Pictou Landing to conduct searches for evidence related to the 19-year-old missing woman’s case.

“Right now, there are search areas throughout the county and this is one of them,” Const. Ken MacDonald of the New Glasgow Police Service said Sunday afternoon in Heathbell. “The area of the Big Gut Bridge in Pictou Landing is another one. It’s basically that someone calls in information in the form of a tip and the information maybe that they’ve spotted some clothing in some areas.  Just like anything else, police have to check that out and confirm if anything is in relation to the case. That hasn’t been confirmed in any of the sites so far.”
 

Kirwan has been missing since Oct. 9th when she had left Doolys about 1:30 a.m. and started walking towards Big Al’s Convenience Store by herself to meet her boyfriend, Mason Campbell. However, Campbell says when he got there a short time later, she was nowhere to be found.

Police K-9 services were spotted at Heathbell Road Saturday searching in a wooded area that is known for its ATV trails. Pictou County ground search and rescue volunteers were at Heathbell Road early Sunday morning conducting an evidentiary search and they remained there throughout the day. An RCMP helicopter flew over both Heathbell and Pictou Landing many throughout the weekend.

In Pictou Landing, a command centre was set up on Hidden Cove Road, which is near Big Gut Bridge. RCMP divers were in the waters near the bridge while ground search and rescue teams were walking the shoreline and wooded area looking for evidence related to Kirwan’s case. The search was expected to end for the day at dusk.

MacDonald said both searches cover a large area and it takes time to do a “systematic investigation and search.”

The police officer cautioned the public about drawing conclusions about the case from the search sites.  “As has been the case during the week, investigators continue to conduct searches of wooded areas and water areas at various locations throughout Pictou County. Police urge the public not to draw any conclusions when they notice police conducting searches throughout Pictou County,”  MacDonald said. 


http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-16/article-2778940/UPDATE%3A-Police-focus-search-near-missing-teens-Pictou-Landing-home/1 (http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-16/article-2778940/UPDATE%3A-Police-focus-search-near-missing-teens-Pictou-Landing-home/1)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 10:07:36 AM
Thank you Interested for the update.  Even in Ont. we are sitting waiting for this young one to be found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
PC I was wondering the same thing when Levi made that post.  Is it a fact or more speculation I am wondering.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 10:13:33 AM
I don't put too much stock in Alan Hatfield. He was convinced the spirit of some gorilla research woman murdered in Africa was trapped in monkeys in the Calgary Zoo and when the Hayward fellow went missing four years ago, he apparently convinced his parents his body was buried in the Halifax area (it was found off a walking trail in Stellarton near the soccer complex).
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 10:19:29 AM
RJ .....was anyone charged with the boys death? For some reason I can't remember this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 10:23:24 AM
Nope, it was a suicide. He was in his 30s, I think? But it was something like two years before they found the body, right behind the soccer complex. I think it was Hayward - maybe Hayman? Can't think of his first name.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 10:24:43 AM
PC I was wondering the same thing when Levi made that post.  Is it a fact or more speculation I am wondering.

I'm wondering the same thing. There has been much speculation and rumour. I believe a lot coming from FB. It would be helpful if when providing information, a link could be posted. Hearing things through the grapevine or through the town rumour mill does not make it real.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 10:26:57 AM
Okay ....I remember now, Thanks
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 10:49:43 AM
I believe that anything posted that is not made aware to the police is told to the police, just like any tips.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 11:00:57 AM
Nope, it was a suicide. He was in his 30s, I think? But it was something like two years before they found the body, right behind the soccer complex. I think it was Hayward - maybe Hayman? Can't think of his first name.

It was NOT two years later, it was just a few weeks. He DID NOT commit sucide! I grew up in that area! and I knew Todd and his family! His son lived just a short distance from where they found his body!


It was suicide - and it was waaay more than a few weeks (2007-2009). I'm positive.


Back to Amber. Since they are now only focusing on the area surrounding her and Mason's home, I would think they are on to something.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
It seems to be a large area the police and searchers have to go over. It is two different areas of Pictou County. I still keep thinking that the person who is involved in Amber's disappearance, possibly took her to a provincial park. Most of these places are well known and nobody would be there in the night hours. I wonder have the police checked any provincial parks that are close to where Amber went missing. From what I understand is they are now searching in a half  hour's drive from New Glasgow, so that would have to be about 35 miles from where she was last seen. I just wonder why they can't find her. And if the police were investigating everyone's story, they should have searched Mason's apartment when they knew she was missing. The last known person to speak to someone, they should be checked out. I'm not saying that Mason did anything, don't get me wrong, but all stories should be checked thoroughly. The police possibly have more information then they can give to the public. They are working very hard to find Amber and are doing a lot of work to help her family.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: grich on October 17, 2011, 11:04:01 AM
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728335328

alan hatfield's facebook page.  from what i'm reading and the impression this guy is giving from his page, he thinks himself more of a prophet than a psychic.  "If it is God's Divine plan..then we will find Amber:)", he has in answer to many questions on his FB status.  interesting.  i think it's too bad this guy is even given a chance to speak on the case.  much less be considered a resource.  shows you how desperate things are in pc right now.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 11:06:02 AM
They are no longer searching both areas - just focusing on the area around their home. Here's the latest update: UPDATE: 12:03 p.m. Oct. 17 – PICTOU LANDING – The main focus of Monday’s search for missing teen Amber Kirwan is the wooded area around her home, says Const. Ken MacDonald with New Glasgow Police Services.

Search and Rescue teams have completed the search of the Heathbell area and are now focusing their efforts in Pictou Landing.

MacDonald says there’s “not much I can divulge” about the outcome of the search in Heathbell.

Search and Rescue teams from Halifax, Colchester and Spring Hill are joining Pictou County Volunteer Ground Search and Rescue to search the area.






The rain right now is crazy - I REALLY hope this doesn't hinder the search for today :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 17, 2011, 11:06:15 AM
At least the Police and the entire community are totally involved and are being very active. WHOEVER DID THIS NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT. I can understand why the locals are posting about the boyfriend because it is so much easier to think or believe that as opposed to the alternative. Fear of an unknown random killer operating in a small community would be rampant. But going too far with that without proof does no good. Obviously the Police are on it and vehicles etc are being checked. Tips are coming in and the Police are following up.

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“Right now, there are search areas throughout the county and this is one of them,” Const. Ken MacDonald of the New Glasgow Police Service said Sunday afternoon in Heathbell. “The area of the Big Gut Bridge in Pictou Landing is another one. It's basically that someone calls in information in the form of a tip and the information maybe that they’ve spotted some clothing in some areas.  Just like anything else, police have to check that out and confirm if anything is in relation to the case. That hasn’t been confirmed in any of the sites so far.”

Odds are we are looking at a homicide now, the people in the community are doing everything right and are keeping the attention levels up. It's just a matter of time IMO before it all comes out in the wash. Amber just needs to be found, keep calling in all the tips, vehicle sightings times and locations. The Police will put it all together whether we are made aware of everything or not.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 11:08:04 AM
At least the Police and the entire community are totally involved and are being very active. WHOEVER DID THIS NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT. I can understand why the locals are posting about the boyfriend because it is so much easier to think or believe that as opposed to the alternative. Fear of an unknown random killer operating in a small community would be rampant. But going too far with that without proof does no good. Obviously the Police are on it and vehicles etc are being checked. Tips are coming in and the Police are following up.


Well said. I agree.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: wantinganswers on October 17, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
I am interested to know if once this case is finished being investigated whether or not  the files will be open for public review or if records would be sealed. I know we will be given the overall result or conclusion, but would we have access to the reports and documentation from the case?
 
I live in the community and have been hoping and praying for all of Amber's loved ones. I, along with the rest of this community, am very disturbed with this whole case. I understand Police cannot divulge  information to the public while they're in the middle of solving a case but I truly hope that when all is said and done, this case becomes transparent.  I truly hope that law enforcement knows what they're doing on this case and pulls through with justice.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
At least the Police and the entire community are totally involved and are being very active. WHOEVER DID THIS NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT. I can understand why the locals are posting about the boyfriend because it is so much easier to think or believe that as opposed to the alternative. Fear of an unknown random killer operating in a small community would be rampant. But going too far with that without proof does no good. Obviously the Police are on it and vehicles etc are being checked. Tips are coming in and the Police are following up.

Very well said D1. Thank you.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
I think it's kind of cool for a psychic to step in and have his say.  I had a reading years ago and it was.....well, different.  You are audiotaped through the session.  Even though not everyone may agree on what he says, but who agrees on anyone that is commenting about what is happening?  It's not that we are soooo desperate in PC, it's everyone is puzzled about this mysterious disappearance.  It is scary, because when you think about it, if it was not Mason who did it, who out there is lurking and preying on young girls?  Has to be someone new to PC to do this, but someone local would know just the right place/time to commit the crime.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
It is scary, because when you think about it, if it was not Mason who did it, who out there is lurking and preying on young girls?  Has to be someone new to PC to do this, but someone local would know just the right place/time to commit the crime.

I agree. It IS scary. I have been worried about this all along, although somewhat comforted by the fact the police haven't warned the public about it. I think the whole situation is warning enough but if they didn't have a good lead as to what happened than they would have said something to the effect. Wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 11:22:06 AM
Well obviously the police are onto something when they are searching right around Amber's home. Something has led the police in that direction and possibly this time they will come up with the answers as to what happened to Amber. She could be right in her own backyard and nobody has looked in that area. I do believe that Amber was murdered and somebody is out there walking around who is responsible. The police should not take this as an isolated incident, until the killer is in handcuffs. We will just have to wait until the police have finished their investigation. I do hope Amber is found soon, so many trying to help and the community doing everything they can to find the young girl. So sad to think about this, a young woman going out with her friends and never coming home.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 11:25:09 AM
It is scary, because when you think about it, if it was not Mason who did it, who out there is lurking and preying on young girls?  Has to be someone new to PC to do this, but someone local would know just the right place/time to commit the crime.

I agree. It IS scary. I have been worried about this all along, although somewhat comforted by the fact the police haven't warned the public about it. I think the whole situation is warning enough but if they didn't have a good lead as to what happened than they would have said something to the effect. Wouldn't they?

NO, NOT NECESSARILY, especially if the information is known only to the kidnapper/murderer.  The police cannot tell us everything for that reason
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 11:27:40 AM
NO, NOT NECESSARILY, especially if the information is known only to the kidnapper/murderer.  The police cannot tell us everything for that reason

Yes, I suppose you are right. It could alert the guilty party that they were on to something.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 11:31:01 AM
Well obviously the police are onto something when they are searching right around Amber's home. Something has led the police in that direction and possibly this time they will come up with the answers as to what happened to Amber. She could be right in her own backyard and nobody has looked in that area. I do believe that Amber was murdered and somebody is out there walking around who is responsible. The police should not take this as an isolated incident, until the killer is in handcuffs. We will just have to wait until the police have finished their investigation. I do hope Amber is found soon, so many trying to help and the community doing everything they can to find the young girl. So sad to think about this, a young woman going out with her friends and never coming home.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


My thoughts as well.  Again, I say it was a targeted attack personally against Amber, however, there are so many angles we can consider....someone watching her closely in Dooly's smart enough to wait a little bit of a gap before exiting themselves, so as not to be seen on camera following her closely...someone nabbing her, possibly around the same area as the shoes were found, and dragging/carrying her to a vehicle (only takes a few seconds)...or someone who knows her, the area, etc. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: grich on October 17, 2011, 11:45:34 AM
I think it's kind of cool for a psychic to step in and have his say.  I had a reading years ago and it was.....well, different.  You are audiotaped through the session.  Even though not everyone may agree on what he says, but who agrees on anyone that is commenting about what is happening?  It's not that we are soooo desperate in PC, it's everyone is puzzled about this mysterious disappearance.  It is scary, because when you think about it, if it was not Mason who did it, who out there is lurking and preying on young girls?  Has to be someone new to PC to do this, but someone local would know just the right place/time to commit the crime.

i don't think it means someone new is in town necessarily - but someone with escalated behaviours.  we all know that when major crimes occur they generally look first at people with a track record of misbehaving in similar fashions.  the reasons are obvious - most crimes that are planned require a behavioural build up and kind of 'test' period that eventually leads to the most horrific crimes.  that is why it is so unlikely that amber was 'randomly' taken by some 'mysterious' and unknown person. 

but on the topic of the psychic - and this commentary is not meant for you personally or in jest toward you - but i think it speaks for itself that there are teams of police officers who operate on the scientific method and socially constructed crime theories, procedures and laws and not groups of psychics who answer 911 calls.  i'm not arguing that differences of cognitive abilities exist, i'm just merely saying that if people such as alan hatfield were really worthwhile and true to their names, we wouldn't be spending thousands of dollars a day using the human resources and costly technology we have to find people.  we would just deploy the psychics. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 11:54:43 AM
I hear you, grish.  Psychics don't always have specific answers that solve cases, but some have interesting insight to the situation.  I don't really think it would hurt to have Psychic Investigator to have some insight, though sometimes bizarre from what I have seen on TV.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
I hear you, grish.  Psychics don't always have specific answers that solve cases, but some have interesting insight to the situation.  I don't really think it would hurt to have Psychic Investigator to have some insight, though sometimes bizarre from what I have seen on TV.

My apologies....grich, not grish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 11:57:38 AM
from natesgirl:
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My thoughts as well.  Again, I say it was a targeted attack personally against Amber, however, there are so many angles we can consider....someone watching her closely in Dooly's smart enough to wait a little bit of a gap before exiting themselves, so as not to be seen on camera following her closely...someone nabbing her, possibly around the same area as the shoes were found, and dragging/carrying her to a vehicle (only takes a few seconds)...or someone who knows her, the area, etc. 

Exactly. Anything could have happened to Amber. It is hard for us to comprehend that there are actually people out there that spend their time searching for victims. Predators that stike when they see the opportunity. We don't know if Amber was taken by a stranger or by someone she knew. Until we know the answer to that, anything is possible.

Keeping an open mind is something that those who have been on this site for some time, understand. Most of us know that anything is possible, as we have seen it all.

I hope for the sake of Amber, her family, and all that love her that answers come soon. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 12:00:38 PM
 I think the reason for PC people speaking out so much about how they feel of the Amber Kirwan case is because of the history of missing persons, murders and other illegal activity here in Pictou County. We've had many of them that still remain cold to this day. This is because of how things use to be around here. Such as ....not having the greatest police force and having groups of very bad characters who needed to be dealt with. When anything  took place (murder etc) people were afraid to speak up because of these bad characters and the police force who also seemed to be afraid them. However, now in Pictou County we have a new police force with well trained men and woman. The last couple of years the law has finally gone after these people. Many many drug busts, guns seized and they have even reopened some of the cold cases. People are starting to feel protected. People here do not want to see this turn into another cold case. I've heard people actually say, "We can't let this happen again, not another cold case" People are fed up and this time speaking more about it. This is the first major case that has taken place since our new police force and people are feeling less fearful. They are being more vocal about it and expressing it rather than hiding behind fear as in the past. I'm not saying it's ok to point fingers, just trying to give you the history behind why people in PC feel the need to express themselves about Mason and not hide in fear. Unfortunately the net is the way of communication, socializing and expressing  feelings this day in age.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
pc glade the new police force have the confidence of the citizens,  I guess that speaks for itself right.  It would seem they are taking every action possible right now to find this girl, or at least it does to me.  Looks like confidence is well placed.  They will solve this and find her I believe.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 12:23:34 PM
It sounds like the people have some confidence in the police now. From all I've read, the police there are leaving no stone unturned in trying to find out what happened to Amber. We need to let them do their job.
If Mason, is involved the evidence will speak for itself. If he is not, well then it will show that too. It's not like he will not be under scrutiny. I'm sure they are taking a long hard look. 

I'm glad you all feel more confidence in the police force you have now, and that you have a voice. However, that having been said, I'm sure you can understand that we can't let this thread turn into a gong show. We do not have proof to name anyone here.

This thread is for Amber. I know that all of you care for her. We need to post here with respect.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
This thread is for Amber. I know that all of you care for her. We need to post here with respect.
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I agree.  The thread is about Amber; however with the circumstances surrounding her disappearance, it is hard not to comment about things surrounding her, and her disappearance.  Of course when there is a man involved, there is a lot of finger pointing and blaming.  Just going down the road and going to a clothing store you hear so many rumors and speculation. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
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Just going down the road and going to a clothing store you hear so many rumors and speculation. 

I'm sure that's true. Common in a situation such as this. As you said, the talk is rumours and speculation.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 01:20:26 PM
One thing I've wondered about is if Amber crossed the road before she got to the bend of the road. There used to be a building there and recently was torn done and turned into a parking lot. The right side of the road is where Dooly's and the sidewalk is, but it's also the side that's a little more gloomy looking due to the wooded area. If for some reason she decided to cross to the other side, then it could be possible someone was in the parking lot and took her there. Just a theory, and I hadn't heard if they searched the lot, or if the cameras at Dooly's saw her walk all the way to the bend on the right side of the road.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
Earlier on someone had given a pretty detailed description of the area that Amber would have been walking in. It sounded fairly isolated in some spots. I wondered about the rooming house that was mentioned. There was also a house that had been converted into apartments. It sounded like this wasn't the best area of town and made me wonder about the types of people that may be living in those places.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 17, 2011, 01:33:04 PM
Or....could Amber have just walked on past Big Al's and that is why she wasn't seen on the video? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 01:40:18 PM

I think she could have jobo. We really don't know how far she walked. She may even have gotten into a car at some point.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 01:42:14 PM
I'm pretty sure the buildings in the area have been checked - they were searchng the area pretty thoroughly on Monday, but of course I could be wrong. If she walked past Big Al's Mason should have seen her (if he was there like he says). Plus the angle of the cam at Big Al's seems to be so that it would get the whole width of the street after the bend in the road. But I haven't seen any video from it so it's possible she kept walking on the opposite side.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 17, 2011, 01:46:38 PM
If we knew for sure if Amber was upset before she left Dooley's it would help. 

IF  she was upset, she may have purposely avoided/ignored  Mason waiting at Big Al's.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
If we knew for sure if Amber was upset before she left Dooley's it would help. 

IF  she was upset, she may have purposely avoided/ignored  Mason waiting at Big Al's.

Very true. I know it's something would have done at that age. I would have walked right past the store purposely to make him come after me.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 17, 2011, 01:49:44 PM
I have been following this thread for awhile now and I too hope she is found safe and I send prayers to her family.

I was just doing some looking on google to see if I could get a better understanding of where she was walking that night and I have to say after looking at the street view of the area I can assure I  would not be walking there in the dark, the bushes make it even more scarier and someone could of easily of been sitting in those bushes waiting I would of made my bf atleast meet me half way walking but thats just me because I am a big chicken, I don't even like to walk down to the end of my street at night just for that reason it is dark and not very well lit.

If you want to get a better of idea of where doolys is and big al's is just type in 109 North Provost St, New Glasgow, NS B2H2N6 in google maps on the left side a picture of big als will appear if you click on that it will give you the street view and you can follow the street all the way to doolys and see the area.. if your not sure how to make the map work just point the mouse ahead you will see a white circle if you click on that the map will zoom up there and take you along the route.



Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 01:54:39 PM
Thanks meechie. It is harder for those of us that don't live in the area to imagine what it looks like. I had read an earlier account and did get the impression that it was isolated. not somewhere I would want to walk alone at night either.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 17, 2011, 01:57:28 PM
I know what you mean Debbie after looking at the street view map those bushes on the one side of the road gave the street an eerie feeling and it shows it in the daytime I couldn't of even imagined how it felt at night, even though if you go down to dooleys there is more traffic and probably more lighting.

Like I said anybody could of been sitting in those bushes and you would never even see them until it was too late.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 01:57:47 PM
Growing up here like I did, I wouldn't have thought twice about walking that short distance. I probably would have walked a bit faster past the bushes, but with the activity of downtown so close behind, and activity of the store so close ahead I would never in a million years think something bad could happen in between :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 17, 2011, 01:58:44 PM
I hate speculating because it leads to nothing and I am not a trained police officer/professional. BUT. It could have been very easy for some random stranger to overhear her conversation about meeting her boyfriend at the store. And then followed her. But again I feel like someone would have saw SOMETHING. Or the cameras would have picked up someone leaving.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 17, 2011, 02:05:52 PM
And it doesn't look like a very long walk but it actually is! Especially alone at night. Those bushes look absolutely terrifying! I would be so horrible if something happened to her because she chose to walk alone. We ALL have walked alone in the dark at one point when we knew we shouldn't have. We were just lucky.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
Growing up here like I did, I wouldn't have thought twice about walking that short distance. I probably would have walked a bit faster past the bushes, but with the activity of downtown so close behind, and activity of the store so close ahead I would never in a million years think something bad could happen in between :(

I guess we just get used to things feeling safe when we've grown up somewhere, because it always has been. I now realize that anything can happen anywhere, at any time of day.

I've seen cases where someone has vanished from a busy street, in the middle of the day, and no one has seen a thing.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
It's not a far walk at all. The area that is by the bushes can be seen from Dolley's where people would have been outside and would see her. On the other side of the bushes you can be seen from Big Als. I have wondered if Amber had continued on straight because Mason was not there yet and she figured he would see her when he passed by her  and pick her up. Honestly that's what I would do if my drive wasn't there yet, Rather than standing there alone .... Al's closes at 1am
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: misty on October 17, 2011, 02:17:21 PM
I don't know if this was brought up in this forum or not but I didn't see it when I was reading this thread.  If you are not from PC, and using google maps and type in Dooly's and Big Al's....the location of Big Al's is not correct on google maps.  Big Al's is in the opposite direction, on North Provost St.  It's a fairly large building on the map just before John St. to the north of Dooly's. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:21:05 PM
When you walk out of Dooly's you turn right and walk about 3min that cross the street to Big Al's.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:22:45 PM
Or you can cross the street at Dooly's and walk up to Al's
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 17, 2011, 02:23:24 PM
Yes someone posted the correct location. When you type "Big Al's" into google maps it is wrong. Too me anything more than 200m in the dark is long.


I don't know if this was brought up in this forum or not but I didn't see it when I was reading this thread.  If you are not from PC, and using google maps and type in Dooly's and Big Al's....the location of Big Al's is not correct on google maps.  Big Al's is in the opposite direction, on North Provost St.  It's a fairly large building on the map just before John St. to the north of Dooly's.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
Sorry .....meant "then cross the road"
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:26:40 PM
PleaseComeHome ......I hear ya .....I don't like going out in the yard in the dark.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: misty on October 17, 2011, 02:29:39 PM
I don't like walking in the dark either.  I would have preferred to meet more toward George St. bridge because it's much better lit, but I'm a wimp.  Then again, I'm wimpy enough I wouldn't be walking to meet anyone.  Meeting at Big Al's makes more sense because it's in the direction of their home, I guess.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
Yes ....and remember there was incident where a girl was assaulted by the bridge. This was years ago.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:40:21 PM
exactly Myheartbreaks ......I think it's  hard to understand unless from the area. The way the one way streets ...one up and one down make hard too to understand that area.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 17, 2011, 02:41:25 PM
I seen the Elks club while checking out the street view of google maps to me that is where I would of got my bf to meet me it looks to have a small parking lot and you can see dooleys front door from there, I don't think police would be doing there ride program on that street he could of sat there and watched her walk up the street or he could of walked to dooleys from there. but that is just me as well because I am also a big chicken... and I don't even walk to the store alone in the dark.

I live in a small suburb off the island of Montreal where it is very quiet and people are friendly but the end of our street is not very lit, I don't even let my 16 yr old walk to her bf house alone which is 2 doors down, she gets mad at me but I tell her you can go missing without a trace even just walking next door..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
That whole area is a heavy area for police to be including Al's and the whole Trenton Road Mason would be driving on. It's a main drag in PC
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
I wouldn't let my 15 and 16 yr olds in the area that this happened to Amber (if it happened there) and I am happy I went with my gut.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 17, 2011, 02:57:00 PM
The local CBC news will be confirming the area around their apartment is now the focus....

Link below to 6pm newscast - http://www.cbc.ca/newsatsixns/#igImgId_19919   

1/2 way down right side of page...it will be live in 5 mins or recorded broadcast later this evening...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:06:29 PM
So the car was taken with a warrant. Which means they needed cause.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Hockey_Nut on October 17, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Archimedes+St%2FNS-289+E%2FNS-348+N%2FNS-4+Trunk+W&daddr=N+Provost+St%2FNS-348+N+to:Pictou+Landing+Rd%2FNS-348+N&hl=en&ll=45.613797,-62.637348&spn=0.052293,0.132093&sll=45.59134,-62.642578&sspn=0.001635,0.004128&geocode=FZOitwIdBCJE_A%3BFWystwIdDCNE_A%3BFdJbuAIdf_xD_A&vpsrc=6&mra=mi&mrsp=1&sz=19&t=m&z=14

GoogleMaps -

shows starting point at Dooleys ( A )
Big Al's Store - ( B )
AK / MC Residence  - ( C )
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
So the car was taken with a warrant. Which means they needed cause.

Where is you find this information PC?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 17, 2011, 03:12:38 PM
Do you have a link to the CBC video about the car? I was watching CTV and they had NOTHING (maybe a 15 second clip) about the case.

So the car was taken with a warrant. Which means they needed cause.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:15:09 PM
It was just on the 6pm news ......"They pulled him over last night and took the car with a warrant".
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:16:21 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/newsatsixns/#igImgId_19919   

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 17, 2011, 03:17:41 PM
I figured that would be one of the first places to check.....that and the car.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
It's too bad it couldn't have been done earlier but my understanding is they need cause to get a warrant.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:30:40 PM
Not making it out to be a bad place. The River Front is beautiful ....I live very close to it and the trail. However, At that time of night when bars are closing, people drinking and as you said someone out looking for a girl. Not to mention lots of drinking and driving at that time as well. Also, it is not isolated ....things have taken place in the down town, trail area before around he same time of morning.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 03:38:32 PM
For some reason I was not able to get the link to work.  Could some one please tell me what the news had to say?  Thanks so much
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:41:42 PM
It said ......"Mason her bf was pulled over last evening and his car was taken with a warrant"
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 17, 2011, 03:43:01 PM
CBC news said they have learned that the police have Masons car obtained under a search warrant..the police would not confirm if this is true.  The news showed where they were searching today and it is about 100 yards from their apartment
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:52:11 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Local_News/NS/1317909223/ID=2155369575
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
Why aren't they confirming if it is his car?  If it's not his car, then who's car? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
It is his car .....I think what they mean is...... they won't confirm if it was by warrant.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 04:14:42 PM
Well ....if they have taken his vehicle and they are searching all around his and her residence .....I don't think anything else has to be said.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 17, 2011, 04:18:24 PM
You're right...nothing else has to be said.  They have narrowed the search down to the wooded area around their home....now they have his car. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 04:35:25 PM

Police would be negligent if they didn't include that area in the search. It seems they are doing a proper investigation here. Once again. Police will not divulge information that may jeopardize the investigation.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 04:36:05 PM
Thanks for that link PC I was able to see that one.
I think the reason the police won't confirm is because although they need to do their jobs, and do them right in the event of any charges (thus legally with a search warrent), they are not yet accusing any one.  I believe they are trying to do their search with out interferance from any one, including the press.  Thus I believe they are not feeding the press.  I notice the officer who speaks is very clear to stay nutral and that they are checking all tips.  I believe they are being unbias and looking at all posibilitys which is a good thing.  Very often when police get tunnel vision and the person they target is proved inocent like with DNA they it is far to late for them to catch the real perp.  I think they are doing a good job.  Also my hat is off to the SAR teams helping in this search.  Remember folks they are volunteers giving their time.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
I felt that they should have done that in the immediate hours after Amber went missing. I mean the BF is the one that said he went home and went to sleep, but who can verify that??? His apartment should have been looked over the very time Amber was reported missing.  Also, his car should have been taken for a look over also. I mean they must have felt he was not going to cooperate with them, because they would not have to have a warrant.If he agreed to let them do what they had to, then they would not need a warrant. Well if he's innocent and had nothing to do with Amber's disappearance, then this will clear him and if it's the opposite, the police will be making an arrest. Hoping the family does have answers soon.

And no, we don't think New Glasgow is any scarier then any other place. But at night, it does not matter what place you are in, if there is evil about it will turn up in the nicest places.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 04:57:52 PM
Cape if they searched his car or any car for that matter, with out a search warrent, what ever they found would not be admisable in court.  They are covering all bases by getting warrent that way if they do perchance find something it can be used in court.   I think at the beginning they believed she would be found.  Also you can't just GET a warrent, you have to convince a judge that you have probable cause to believe you may find evidence to a crime in the area the warrent is for, in this case the car.  I am sure a warrent to search the house will be next if they haven't already done that,  it would be a matter of elimination not absolutely because the supect her boyfriend but one more step to cover.  Water is a big part of Nova Scotia, so since it isn't looking good, my thought is any bodys of water near by need to be search, which they have already started doing.  Looks like the police and Rcmp are covering all bases.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 04:58:25 PM
Thanks Gsar,  I didn't know that.  So would four be normal, do you think or do you think they called in an extra one?

I can't say for NS I think for standard searches they still roll out 1 team then call in more as needed but remember this is a long time after and they are closed grid searching.

I would consider it normal personally.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
Hags you are upset granted but think about some of these things.  The police cannot clear any one , evidence clears or proves guilt.  The police have no magical way of clearing any one time and investigation does that.  As for him going home and sleeping.  Well sorry but I think that is normal for that age, at that age all kids feel they and everyone the know are indispencable.  My twenty two year old and her boy friend fight and he doesn't stay up all night either if she doesnt come home,  he assumes she is with friends or with me.  The fact that he went home and went to sleep says perhaps he had a clear concence or he would not have been able to do that.  I know it is hard and the whole community is upset but don't draw and quarter any one until the police do there complete searches and find the answers.  Just imagine how you will feel if he is proved innocent.  Or imagine how his mother and family must feel with all the speculation.  As well I know Ambers family are going through hell but so is his, and the whole community.  Time will solve this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
I agree with you Cape.  The police took a good number of days to check around her apartment, and to seize the bf car. Forensics will be going over it with a fine tooth comb. While the police are doing everything to locate Amber, if they cannot locate her, then what?
In my own opinion, they  are fairly confident that they are close to knowing with certainty,  who it is, The police said that during their searches they have found evidentiary evidence (of some kind.)
This is all so tragic.  This reminds me of the case of the mother from St. Johns Nfld. Anne Marie Shirran (?) Very similar. The facebook page, etc., I don't want to say anything more.
I don't think that MC's family should have to redeem themselves of anything.  MC's family should not be held accountable as to the disappearance of Amber.
JB

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 05:08:49 PM
eyeswideopen, they have searched a great deal of water in the surrounding area, but I don't think they came up with too much there. They had divers in the water and boats, but nothing was found. Somehow, I do not think that Amber is in the water. The community of New Glasgow, the police and searchers are doing the best they can. Hopefully the person responsible for this will come clean and give it up, tell the police where Amber is. Because you know, they are coming to get you and they will get you, so you might as well tell the police now and save the family members a lot of grief. It is just prolonging the inevitable, but the ending will be the same. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 05:12:52 PM
Jellybean, I know the case you are speaking of, very similar. The only thing different is she left the home after an argument and he said she went out for a walk. There are many cases such as this, similar. It seems like the police know more then we do at this time and a possibility they are closing in on a final conclusion here. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 17, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Cape if they searched his car or any car for that matter, with out a search warrent, what ever they found would not be admisable in court.  They are covering all bases by getting warrent that way if they do perchance find something it can be used in court.   I think at the beginning they believed she would be found.  Also you can't just GET a warrent, you have to convince a judge that you have probable cause to believe you may find evidence to a crime in the area the warrent is for, in this case the car.  I am sure a warrent to search the house will be next if they haven't already done that,  it would be a matter of elimination not absolutely because the supect her boyfriend but one more step to cover.  Water is a big part of Nova Scotia, so since it isn't looking good, my thought is any bodys of water near by need to be search, which they have already started doing.  Looks like the police and Rcmp are covering all bases.

Have to correct you on part of this.... Evidence is still admissable with out a warrant as long as you have signed consent. However Police always go after a warrant because why would you walk up ask to search it get refused and then turn around and give the SOC time to ditch the evidence.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 05:24:27 PM
GSAR-mbr, yes, because if you did not have that search warrant, then while you were gone to get it, he could destroy evidence. And you would have no right to hold him or search or check anything. I am glad that things are being checked out with regard to the BF's vehicle. There should also be a search warrant for his apartment. If he's got nothing to hide, he should not mind them looking. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 17, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
I would imagine the only video at Big Al's would be inside the store. They don't have gas pumps so no need for one outside. I cannot see how she was abducted between Doolys and Big Al's. Its a 3 minute walk. I think the BF was seen inside the store but she wasn't so she could have just gotten in the car and they left. Something isn't sitting right. Now the police are searching near their apartment. I think they might have had an argument on the way to their place. Strange for him to say that he went home and went to bed instead of looking for her. He could have walked to Doolys and checked with her friends.  Instead she get reported missing some time the next day. Something is wrong because the only spot on that walk from Doolys you cant see is such a small area and according to the google map its a one way street so someone would have had to come up behind her. Just my opinion but as time goes on nothing is making any sense.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
sad333, he may have gone back the way he came and went by Dooly's and went through the area which she was supposed to have walked. I had posted earlier on that I just could not understand that he just went home and went to bed, I'm not buying that story, sorry.If you had an argument earlier on in the evening and you went to pick someone up and they were not there, you would wonder what happened to them, especially when she just phoned him. I would be awfully worried if someone called me to pick them up and I could not find them at 1:30 in the morning and especially a girlfriend or boyfriend. And the fact that they lived together, that surely does not make sense. I have a lot of doubts related to the boyfriend. I hope I'm wrong, but it isn't adding up. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: frompcns on October 17, 2011, 05:38:52 PM
Hi, never posted before but just waned to update that the abandoned paint factory that was searched earlier this week is on fire tonight....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
frompcns: OMG!! This cannot be coincidence??

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: frompcns on October 17, 2011, 05:46:08 PM
I think they had it under control fairly quickly
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Did you see the fire? Where did you hear of it.

Thanks

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
In my opinion the perp will never volunteer to come forward. He will wait it out, and hope that he isn't caught or arrested.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 17, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
Hi, never posted before but just waned to update that the abandoned paint factory that was searched earlier this week is on fire tonight....

Just registered to let everyone know this is not true. I just went and drove by.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 17, 2011, 06:22:07 PM
Oh I think the perp will be caught. Give them enough rope and they will screw up. Sometimes they think they are fooling the police but that won't last long. I just wish they could find the young lady and bring her home to her parents one way or the other.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
Where did the story that the paint factory that is abandoned was on fire come from?  Where was this first heard? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 17, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
Where did the story that the paint factory that is abandoned was on fire come from?  Where was this first heard?

I just drove by, this is not true.
I just registered to let everyone know this is not true.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 06:32:14 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up ng. Now back to Amber.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Trenton Mom on October 17, 2011, 06:44:27 PM
I too just logged in to confirm that there was a small fire at the Tibbet's paint building. It is on The News New Glasgow website.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 06:47:49 PM
TrentonMom, could you please direct me to where the reference to the fire at the Tibbett's building is on the NG News website?

http://www.ngnews.ca/
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 06:49:08 PM
here's the latest update on the search

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779797/Ground-search-and-rescue-teams-comb-woods-in-case-of-missing-teen/1



Off to look for info on the fire!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 06:50:26 PM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779801/Mayor-frustrated-over-fire-at-boardedup-building/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 06:50:33 PM
Hags that is two different posters, one said it is one fire, the other said their was a small fire.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: camnn06 on October 17, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
Did someone state the sidewalk was on the opposite side of the road as to Big Al's? As someone else pointed out, which I have been thinking about all along, Amber left before her boyfriend there, perhaps walking by she seen from across the street(given the sidewalk is on the opposite side) that her boyfriends car was not there yet, and continued down the road towards the direction he would be coming from. Perhaps to meet him so he wouldn't be so close to the police and risk his licence being taken. I for one have walked over 5km home from the bar because I wouldn't call my boyfriend to pick me up knowing he didn't have proper insurance and his licence id on him, and believing my community is safe. Being able to drive is an important part of our lives, having to get to work, school ect. Just a thought..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 06:54:23 PM
According to the News article's there's been tips and leads given by the public. That at least tells us someone has seen something, from her being taken/picked up, to evidence. Anything really. I have hope that they are near answering some very major questions. Hopefully this nightmare is over soon.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 06:58:35 PM
"Three youths were seen fleeing the scene on bicycles."

So it was arson by kids?  This information is irrelevant to Amber's case as far as the News reports state.


Did someone state the sidewalk was on the opposite side of the road as to Big Al's? As someone else pointed out, which I have been thinking about all along, Amber left before her boyfriend there, perhaps walking by she seen from across the street(given the sidewalk is on the opposite side) that her boyfriends car was not there yet, and continued down the road towards the direction he would be coming from. Perhaps to meet him so he wouldn't be so close to the police and risk his licence being taken. I for one have walked over 5km home from the bar because I wouldn't call my boyfriend to pick me up knowing he didn't have proper insurance and his licence id on him, and believing my community is safe. Being able to drive is an important part of our lives, having to get to work, school ect. Just a thought..

In regards to the walk from Dooley's to Big Al's.  If Amber had crossed the road at the intersection in front of the Elk's club, and walked past the Used Clothing store building, she would not have been seen, except by passing traffic.  I think general assumption might be that she walked straight along the road and crossed in front of Big Al's. But there are several scenerio(s) which are applicable here. I would hazard a guess the Crime investigators would have to consider. What you have mentioned camnn06 would most definitely be one of them....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
New Glasgow comes under Trenton?  Is this paint factory in Trenton or New Glasgow.? Where is New Glasgow in relation to Trenton - close by, doesn't it have it's own police and firedepartment (New Glasgow)? Confusing.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 17, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779801/Mayor-frustrated-over-fire-at-boardedup-building/1
Sorry for the misinformation i posted before!
I drove by and did not see any activity or smoke so I thought it was false info.
Apologies
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:03:59 PM
New Glasgow comes under Trenton?  Is this paint factory in Trenton or New Glasgow.? Where is New Glasgow in relation to Trenton - close by, doesn't it have it's own police and firedepartment (New Glasgow)?

JB

The road that Big Al's is on, is Trenton Road. Dooleys is located on Archimedes Street which turns into Trenton Road.  Tibbett's is located on Glass Street is located in Trenton, just after the town lines.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=Glass+Street,+Trenton,+NS&gs_upl=977l6278l0l6553l25l21l0l1l1l0l409l4364l0.3.11.2.1l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=660&wrapid=tlif131889977192310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4b5c1edaa9bef489:0x69b060d26b05e498,Glass+St,+Trenton,+NS&gl=ca&ei=PNCcToynHKft0gGaucWLCQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q8gEwAA

Trenton does have it's own Police and Fire Depts.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Trenton Mom on October 17, 2011, 07:05:43 PM

JB

Trenton is between New Glasgow and Pictou Landing (where Mason and Amber live) so if you continue walking past big Al's you will be in Trenton. I am not good with guessing distances so I'm not sure how far it is but it is probably 2-3 kms. Trenton and New Glasgow share police services but they have their own fire depts. The old Tibbet's paint building is just inside the Trenton town line.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Trenton and NG are right next to each other - Amber went missing right on the border between the two.


This was just sent to me from my friend:




"so people just screamed and jumped at my moving van tonight because they were carrying a sign with amber's picture on it. The only words i saw were "missing" and "honk"... I kept driving not knowing what exactly they were doing,  and they were screaming at me "you stupid (censored) bitch... what will honking do? do you know???"


^ This stuff really bothers me. People causing un-necessary commotion while trying to get attention for themselves. I understand spreading the posters around but to harass the public for living their everyday life DOES NOT HELP. Ugh.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:08:39 PM


JB

Trenton is between New Glasgow and Pictou Landing (where Mason and Amber live) so if you continue walking past big Al's you will be in Trenton. I am not good with guessing distances so I'm not sure how far it is but it is probably 2-3 kms. Trenton and New Glasgow share police services but they have their own fire depts. The old Tibbet's pain building is just inside the Trenton town line.

Trenton Mom, I was unaware that Trenton also shared police services with New Glasgow! Thank you for updating me. :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 07:09:53 PM
sad333 .....MC would not be seen on camera inside of Big Al's as it is closed at that time.

Camn06 ....That's what I stated earlier as well. Perhaps she continued on because he was not there yet knowing he would see her when he did pass by. That's what I would do ....rather than crossing the street and standing in Big Al's parking lot alone.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:15:39 PM

^ This stuff really bothers me. People causing un-necessary commotion while trying to get attention for themselves. I understand spreading the posters around but to harass the public for living their everyday life DOES NOT HELP. Ugh.

Jay, all you can do is ignore them.  The kids in Pictou County have a lot of useless time on their hands.  We have seen a lot of hassle in the past two weeks from various locations......from posters being vandalized, to buildings. Idle hands, idle minds. I will say this much, the tension this community is under, and the rumors flying through the schools is horrendous.  Young children are coming home telling their parents the horrible rumors they have heard. It's frightening. I'm so glad my children are too young to be privy to this. The most I get is my oldest one asking me who "the girl" is.  It's been very hard to explain.


So Oryx, are you saying that the news report is actually saying that the fire has nothing to do with Ambers case  because three teens were seen running from that area?  ...or are you just assuming this?

I do believe I posed it as a question. The article is not stating it is relevant to Amber's case, and only mentions the three kids fleeing the scene.  To make it relevant to Amber's case you would need to be "assuming" it was.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 07:15:52 PM
Personally I think it's dangerous the way people are carrying on. Doing there own "searches" and going door to door, poting posters on edges of hughways, etc, etc. Leave things to the trained pros!

Did anyone see the FB posts from MC's FB acct? I won't post them here, but they are on Eye's for Lies. His explantaion of some of his behaviour.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
Did someone state the sidewalk was on the opposite side of the road as to Big Al's? As someone else pointed out, which I have been thinking about all along, Amber left before her boyfriend there, perhaps walking by she seen from across the street(given the sidewalk is on the opposite side) that her boyfriends car was not there yet, and continued down the road towards the direction he would be coming from. Perhaps to meet him so he wouldn't be so close to the police and risk his licence being taken. I for one have walked over 5km home from the bar because I wouldn't call my boyfriend to pick me up knowing he didn't have proper insurance and his licence id on him, and believing my community is safe. Being able to drive is an important part of our lives, having to get to work, school ect. Just a thought..

That's correct - there's a sidewalk on one side only, the same side as Dooly's but opposite Big Al's. The side with the sidewalk also has the streetlights on it, but it's still very dark at that corner. I drove by tonight, and while I could see two people walking along there and one woman literally hitchhiking in the spot Amber disappeared (!) I couldn't pick out their features. After that, it became more plausible to me that a teenage girl might've walked along and really not been noticed by people.

I've really been stewing this over, and I'm thinking that once she left Dooly's, no one really watched her walk away. Her friends were getting in a cab and no one who wasn't particularly interested in her (as in an inappropriate interest), really would've watched her go. It could've happened anywhere along there. How fast can something happen? Pretty darn speedy, I think.

So off she goes down the street, she's in an area with some trees and brush, it's dark, she's tired, drunk, just wants to go home to bed, so she continues on towards home when she doesn't see his car. Once you get past Big Al's, there are a few side streets, and then the s-turn. I honestly don't know if, before all this happened, that I'd look out if I heard a girl yell while I was in bed/asleep. I bet a lot of people wouldn't, if they even woke up. Yes, it was hot during the day, but I well remember being outside and the weather turning darn cold by the time dusk was out. I'm pretty sure I even shut my windows that night. Would I hear someone scream, especially if my house was set back from the road like a lot are there, and if I'm used to the traffic from the bars? Maybe not.

That said, while I'm not pointing the finger at the boyfriend, I think that this wasn't a stranger abduction. I think it was someone she knew, who offered her a ride and she took it, and it went bad.

Re: the search - I don't think they're looking for a body. I think they're looking for a weapon. I have no proof, but something doesn't really sit right with me the way they're focusing the search the last few days.

Re: the fire - Trenton and New Glasgow are smack up against each other. Trenton contracts its policing from New Glasgow, which is why NG could search Trenton for Amber, but had to bring in the RCMP when they wanted to spread it out further (not their territory, right?) Both Trenton and New Glasgow have their own fire depts, but they operate on a mutual aid system and can call each other in at will. From Dooly's, I would guess it's about 3 kms to the NG-Trenton border. If she was going to walk all the way home, though, it'd take her probably an hour to get out to the Big Gut bridge, it's quite a hike.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 07:16:53 PM
Did someone state the sidewalk was on the opposite side of the road as to Big Al's? As someone else pointed out, which I have been thinking about all along, Amber left before her boyfriend there, perhaps walking by she seen from across the street(given the sidewalk is on the opposite side) that her boyfriends car was not there yet, and continued down the road towards the direction he would be coming from. Perhaps to meet him so he wouldn't be so close to the police and risk his licence being taken. I for one have walked over 5km home from the bar because I wouldn't call my boyfriend to pick me up knowing he didn't have proper insurance and his licence id on him, and believing my community is safe. Being able to drive is an important part of our lives, having to get to work, school ect. Just a thought..
I don't know how old you are or if you are male or female, but to walk after 1:30 in the morning by yourself, is a very dangerous thing to do, be it a male person or female. We have heard too many stories about persons being assaulted or harmed late in the evening. But for any female to take it upon herself to walk home alone, it would be very unwise. Amber is missing and there are many across Canada still missing, they went out for a night on the town and separated from their friends and they were never seen again. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 07:19:49 PM
ORYX - my 4 year old came home from preschool today, saw her poster and said "that's the girl that died Mommy". I tried to tell him that she got lost and can't find her way home.  Someone must have said something at school because he was later asking me "who killed her" "did that man do it" while pointing at strangers. His innocent mind doesn't understand these things but it's soooo hard to get them to understand.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:23:02 PM
 
Personally I think it's dangerous the way people are carrying on. Doing there own "searches" and going door to door, poting posters on edges of hughways, etc, etc. Leave things to the trained pros!

Did anyone see the FB posts from MC's FB acct? I won't post them here, but they are on Eye's for Lies. His explantaion of some of his behaviour.

The Eyes for Lies site is disturbing to me. It would appear that most of the information is misinformation, and it is over-run by teens and people with very biased opinions.  Also, if you noticed, it is a sales site for someone who "claims" to know when someone is lying, then offers a seminar at $200 a pop for law enforcement to take.  Just appears to be another scam to me.   I have tried to keep the basis of my knowledge from News reports rather than "copied text" which can easily be re-written and posted by others.

ORYX - my 4 year old came home from preschool today, saw her poster and said "that's the girl that died Mommy". I tried to tell him that she got lost and can't find her way home.  Someone must have said something at school because he was later asking me "who killed her" "did that man do it" while pointing at strangers. His innocent mind doesn't understand these things but it's soooo hard to get them to understand.

Jay, that distressed me. I would prefer to keep my child from being exposed to this. He is just like your young one...innocent.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
RJ ....exactly!!!! Except she was not drunk ....she only had one drink.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
Oryx, you stated this:  "this information is irrelevant to Ambers case..." (which is obviously not a question). That was NOT stated in the news report, so I believe you are assuming that it is not relevant to Ambers case...and we all know what asuming does, right? Just sayin'

 

;) I most definitely do. I also mentioned that I prefer taking my opinions from the news. This particular news article was not written in relation to the rest of the search for Amber's case. There was no mention of Amber Kirwan within the article, therefore it is most definitely not relevant to Amber's case.

Why is this even being discussed again?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
RJ ....exactly!!!! Except she was not drunk ....she only had one drink.

She only had one drink at Dooly's, her friends say. But don't most people around here drink before going out? I assume she probably had a few at home first - but again, my assumption only. The best friend said something in one of the articles (or maybe on the tv?) that Amber wasn't really, really drunk.

Jay - I agree. My kid is around the same age and I'm choosing not to explain who the girl is on all the posters, I think it's just not age appropriate. I just said everyone likes seeing her pictures.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
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I believe I have a right to discuss the fire at any point here. Just pointing out that you came on here earlier saying for people not to assume anything cuz "it makes an ass out of you and me". Maybe you forgot that you said that. Just food for thought to you  :)


When I asked "Why is this even being discussed again?" I was referring to my comment in particular, and leaving it at that Catakil.  I prefer not to get into arguments with people I do not know on an online discussion group. I was not insinuating that you do not get to say anything about the fire.  That would be rude and presumptuous, when I made the post earlier in regards to the fire it was not directed AT you or any one person. :) Therefore please do not take insult to it, and go on with your business! :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 07:41:12 PM
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The time frame of his response is what has me questioning this, not to mention his first interview he said "he knew as soon as he reached Big Als and she wasn't there that something was wrong." and Then in the next interview, he said, "he knew when he woke up and she didn't come home something was wrong." Which was it? The time frame doesn't add up. To my knowledge, no one has accounted for where Mason was from the time he left to go pick her up and the next morning. To take him out of the equation, these questions need to be answered.

 

These are questions that need to be answered and it would seem logical that the police would have asked those questions when they interviewed Mason. He is the only person who can answer them.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mikel123 on October 17, 2011, 07:41:26 PM
OK this is what is bothering me. Amber apparently left Dooleys after calling Mason at 1:30 am. From his house it would take him about 8 mins to arrive at Big Als. I agree that it seems reasonable that Amber would continue to walk towards him on the sidewalk on the opposite side direction he would be driving towards her because Big Als would have been about a 3-4 minute walk for her so she would have been closer to him as he approached her.

Did she actually call him with her phone? What was the story with her phone? Was it found? Did she have it?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
Concerned Parent ...I agree and it seems she may have known who she got in the car with or someone would have heard her putting up a fight.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
concerned do you have evidence that there is no proof he was seen on the camera at the store?  I believe if I remember correctly that he was on video being at the store but Amber was not.  Do you have link that says he was not at the store?  Just wondering.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 07:44:39 PM
A concerned - it's so frustrating isn't it. That timeline fits with what I've been "hearing" as well, except that he was seen on camera for a few minutes. I can't believe that with todays technology that there isn't some way to trace him or her or more camera images - something from somewhere or someone!!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 07:46:10 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 07:46:25 PM
Concerned Parent ...I agree and it seems she may have known who she got in the car with or someone would have heard her putting up a fight.

Go back and read RJ's post on the last page. He had some very logical things to say in regard to that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 17, 2011, 07:47:07 PM
Oryx...there is nothing being said on the Eyes for Lies Blog that hasn't been said on here, in fact I think I have noticed a few posters on both...
I defend Eyes for Lies...she is one smart cookie.  And if she is teaching cops and such some tricks of her trade, then good for her.  You should read up more on her, she really does have a gift.  Click on some other cases she has followed, and then check out her track record.  She is very well written, and has a lot to teach us....for free.  ;)

Sorry to take this thread off on a tangent, but I had to stick up for Eyes for Lies....and no, I do not post on there, just read, to learn.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.
http://www.newglasgow.ca/business/support-for-business/demographics-mainmenu-96

I am un-aware of the population of Trenton.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779800/Police-caution-people-to-beware-of-rumours-in-case-of-missing-teen/1#.TpzUX5YsLI1.facebook


It is sad that the Police or a newspaper even have to re-iterate this at this point.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 17, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.

Approx 13,000
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 07:54:20 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.

Approx 13,000

wikipedia says approx 36 000 at last consesus for NG and 2700-ish for Trenton
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 07:55:56 PM
Oryx...there is nothing being said on the Eyes for Lies Blog that hasn't been said on here, in fact I think I have noticed a few posters on both...
I defend Eyes for Lies...she is one smart cookie.  And if she is teaching cops and such some tricks of her trade, then good for her.  You should read up more on her, she really does have a gift.  Click on some other cases she has followed, and then check out her track record.  She is very well written, and has a lot to teach us....for free.  ;)

Sorry to take this thread off on a tangent, but I had to stick up for Eyes for Lies....and no, I do not post on there, just read, to learn.

Jobo, I think that is exploitation when you advertise making money off of others misfortunes.  She is based out of the US, and chances are their law enforcement have been thoroughly trained.   This is why I avoid it.  I will re-iterate that this is just my personal opinion, others who would like to frequent the site can certainly do so, tis a free country, my friend.... :)  But like I mentioned before it is not my preference for information when it comes to reports from the RCMP-Police. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 17, 2011, 07:58:56 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.

Approx 13,000

wikipedia says approx 36 000 at last consesus for NG and 2700-ish for Trenton

I believe that it for pictou county as a whole.

New glasgow - http://www.newglasgow.ca/business/support-for-business/demographics-mainmenu-96
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
Thanks to both of u for the population concenses much appreciated.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 08:01:01 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.

Approx 13,000

wikipedia says approx 36 000 at last consesus for NG and 2700-ish for Trenton

There's only 44,000 in the entire county! New Glasgow is sitting at around 10,000 and 2,700-ish sounds right for Trenton. For those of you not from here, NG is really the "business" capital/main town; Trenton has one industry just re-opened but is mostly a bedroom community.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 08:02:13 PM
Can any one tell me the population of NG and Trenton please and thanks.

Approx 13,000

You are right! I didn't read far enough :)

wikipedia says approx 36 000 at last consesus for NG and 2700-ish for Trenton

I believe that it for pictou county as a whole.

New glasgow - http://www.newglasgow.ca/business/support-for-business/demographics-mainmenu-96
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:03:47 PM
Hags a rumor is just exactly that A RUMOR.  I hope the citizens of this town realize that rumor seriously hamper the investigation.  It takes the police away from investigating the real things as time is wasted on rumors.  It is quite likely people heard a lot of screaming and yelling which is quite common when a bar lets out at closing time.so it may well have been just that possibly.

Hope this is solved soon as we can see that it is tearing this town appart, dangerously.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:06:46 PM
Thanks Rj and everyone for the help with the population and size of the town and neigboring town give a better prospective when your not frome there.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:09:29 PM
Concerned, I would think that is what the police are doing now by searching his care and area, working to rule him out,  Or god forbid if he was guilty they would find that as well.  I believe the town needs to get a little calmer so it doesnt hinder the police investigation.  Rumour as well as kids searching on there own will only hamper the search and possibly destroy evidence.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 08:10:00 PM
I've said it before - I wouldn't think twice of questioning a scream, squeal, car doors slamming, etc after a bar closing downtown. Sad to say that I could has missed it myself if I had been there.

I also wonder why he never comes out and said "I didn't do anything to her" or "I'm not involved". Why wouldn't he defend himself that way? Would he be advised to avoid that? Maybe by a lawyer?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 08:11:44 PM
Concerned, I would think that is what the police are doing now by searching his care and area, working to rule him out,  Or god forbid if he was guilty they would find that as well.  I believe the town needs to get a little calmer so it doesnt hinder the police investigation.  Rumour as well as kids searching on there own will only hamper the search and possibly destroy evidence.
Had he been ruled out or had answers to these questions, proof of his whereabouts, the focus would be on other avenues, one would think.


I completely agree with this. But that is up to those investigating Amber's disappearance. I would say from the interviews and his willingness to cooperate with the police, that it was up to them when and if they did this.  Perhaps the reason why they are performing these investigations now, is because they have nothing else to go on? The article in the Evening News that I posted mentioned that tips have been called in based on rumor. This completely hampers any investigation.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 17, 2011, 08:16:22 PM
Eyes for Lies certainly had Penny Boudreau down pat. She had every sign she was lying.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 08:22:03 PM

 (I saw his post and read what was written before he had the chance to delete it, so I know it is true).

I saw it too. Seems like anything that gets posted that's not police verified that makes any sense gets deleted. People are so scared of a bad ending they can't even read it about the possibility.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 08:22:22 PM
Debbie .....TY , I already read RJ's post ......I actually wrote the same thing earlier today. I was excited to read someone else had the same thought.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 17, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
Are these people crazy.?????  A freekin' parade with horns honking.  Who is the brain trust that thinks this stuff up??  I cannot think that her mother and father would allow this to happen. Someone call the town hall and plead with them not to issue the parade permit.

I appreciate the need for awareness, but is there anyone in Pictou County that is not aware?????

http://ngtalks.com/?p=296

Sorry for the rant, but I would be mortified at this type of display if my child was missing....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:31:08 PM
Okay everyone this post is getting away from being about Amber again and getting to be pure speculation.  Lets leave that the police.  All that can do is hurt and rile people up.  I think that is not a good thing to do as it takes away from the search for Amber. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
IMHO ......LOL, they were actually going to fill the cars with balloons too and release them as they drove. Thank god they chaged theirs minds on that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 17, 2011, 08:34:41 PM
Are these people crazy.?????  A freekin' parade with horns honking.  Who is the brain trust that thinks this stuff up??  I cannot think that her mother and father would allow this to happen. Someone call the town hall and plead with them not to issue the parade permit.

I appreciate the need for awareness, but is there anyone in Pictou County that is not aware?????

http://ngtalks.com/?p=296

Sorry for the rant, but I would be mortified at this type of display if my child was missing....

No arguments from this peanut gallery.  I think it is unnecessary.  Has there even been a permit asked for?  There's support, then there is over-the-top.  The Balloons were beautiful. This is ridiculous.   There is my "humble opinion".
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
Are these people crazy.?????  A freekin' parade with horns honking.  Who is the brain trust that thinks this stuff up??  I cannot think that her mother and father would allow this to happen. Someone call the town hall and plead with them not to issue the parade permit.

I appreciate the need for awareness, but is there anyone in Pictou County that is not aware?????

http://ngtalks.com/?p=296

Sorry for the rant, but I would be mortified at this type of display if my child was missing....
All these "events" are bothering me. Idle hands as someone else suggested, I guess
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
Are these people crazy.?????  A freekin' parade with horns honking.  Who is the brain trust that thinks this stuff up??  I cannot think that her mother and father would allow this to happen. Someone call the town hall and plead with them not to issue the parade permit.

I appreciate the need for awareness, but is there anyone in Pictou County that is not aware?????

http://ngtalks.com/?p=296

Sorry for the rant, but I would be mortified at this type of display if my child was missing....

Okay, this officially blows my mind. I'm stunned, absolutely flummoxed. Who has a parade for a missing person? That just doesn't make any sense.

This does nothing to raise awareness, and considering they need a police escort - actually several, since they're hitting up each town - it's going to take police resources away from finding the missing girl.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - something has to break, now, before this entire county loses it. The rumours are outrageous, the hysteria keeps mounting, and while the kids seem to want to keep a be happy kind of attitude, I'm seriously concerned about the grief if this ends badly.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 08:42:54 PM
Have they gone kooko , where are all the police, besides the ones on the search.  The police must stop this foolishness before some one else is hurt, or run over or some other horific  thing.  The town needs to pull together in a respectable manner .  This make the whole town look like idiots if that is allowed to happen.  Hope the citizens of the county band together and put a stop to that charade.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 17, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
I agree with you on this one. I understand the need for awareness, but I think people's frantic emotions are driving them to be overzealous on the "awareness" forefront. It is certainly nice to show support and awareness but people do not realize this CAN compromise the investigation. The longer she is missing the worse people feel so they compensate for these emotions by doing things that may make them feel better. Like organizing event after event. Donations and posters are wonderful, but I am worried somewhere that the perpetrator is feeding off of this attention. I hope that is not so, but I worry about how this could affect the investigation.




Are these people crazy.?????  A freekin' parade with horns honking.  Who is the brain trust that thinks this stuff up??  I cannot think that her mother and father would allow this to happen. Someone call the town hall and plead with them not to issue the parade permit.

I appreciate the need for awareness, but is there anyone in Pictou County that is not aware?????

http://ngtalks.com/?p=296

Sorry for the rant, but I would be mortified at this type of display if my child was missing....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 17, 2011, 08:46:41 PM
Another thing I'm concerned about - this fellow Kris that's running the ng talks website with all the links to the Amber information. Most of his sources are Facebook posts, but he's setting his site up to resemble a media source. It's not reputable, but people are turning there for info. I have no idea who this fellow is, but I don't consider him credible. And I think it's bizarre that he's playing journalist - not an ideal job in my eyes! Considering there was already a fake police Facebook page, this makes me leery. Something just doesn't feel right about things.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Pleasecomehome.  I agree.  A parade would be an insult.  Her missing is not a joyous thing,  I get the impression that there is nothing to do in Pictou County for the youth.  Frankly it is a problem in many towns across Canada, so PC is not alone.

Police do not waste their resources. As I have often read when searches are taking place, the police will say  "We search where the evidence leads us" And so, where are they searching(?)
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 08:55:48 PM
Another thing I'm concerned about - this fellow Kris that's running the ng talks website with all the links to the Amber information. Most of his sources are Facebook posts, but he's setting his site up to resemble a media source. It's not reputable, but people are turning there for info. I have no idea who this fellow is, but I don't consider him credible. And I think it's bizarre that he's playing journalist - not an ideal job in my eyes! Considering there was already a fake police Facebook page, this makes me leery. Something just doesn't feel right about things.

Kris is a good guy. Is he exploiting Amber's disappearance for the benefit of his website, absolutley. But it's done with the best of intentions I'm sure. The site was started before Amber went missing, but wasn't active because there wasn't much to talk about in NG. All he's posting is pics, links to news, poster templates, and info on the events. Plus he truly wants it to be a place where people can go to get all the info they need to help out.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2011, 08:56:27 PM
I've heard of a prayer service and a candlelight vigil for someone missing, but a parade, please tell me that is not happening. Well I'm glad I'm on this side of the causeway, because that is totally off the wall. This is nothing but disrespect for a missing person. Why not have a prayer service at one of the churches and if someone wishes to leave donations, they can pick a spot for that. But a parade, what big brain thought that up. Sorry, but totally not appropriate.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 17, 2011, 09:02:34 PM
The parade is just like the fireworke MC wanted to set off at the 2nd or 3rd vigil. It's like bringing birthday cake to a funeral. A cruel joke.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 17, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
I get the impression that even if the BF was charged and it was backed up with evidence, there are a few who would still freak out on this thread claiming what a great guy he is.  I realize that only the police know what this BF is claiming about all that time elapsed before he decided to notify police.  Unless Amber was the type who went her own way whenever she chose to (thus this might be the reason he just went back home and to bed ..or whatever he's claiming) but from all I've read in the past week, Amber seemed to be a "dedicated girlfriend".  There is a lot of doubt in my mind about the boy friend.
 
I just can't seem to wrap my mind around anything "innocent" about him.  I hope I'm totally wrong, but nothing about him and the whole ordeal surrounding his actions adds up to me.  Unless the two had some sort of "open relationship" where it wouldn't be strange for one or the other to disappear that way in spite of agreeing to meet.... then, there's something awfully wrong about this BF. 

I'm sorry if that offends people, and it would be great if I'm totally wrong.  Since he put himself this far out into the public with his all-one-sided story, he should expect this type of opinion as well as the opposite.  That poor beautiful girl will possibly never get to tell her story.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Ron on October 17, 2011, 09:23:01 PM
If you would like to see a video with regards to this, go to You Tube and type "Come Home Amber" in the search box.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 17, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
I think people just need to remember that when they have one finger pointing at some one , the other three fingers are pointing back at them.  a lesson my beloved father taught me many years ago.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 09:24:45 PM
Ron .......TY
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 17, 2011, 09:38:16 PM
Ron ....watched the video, it's awesome and very sad to see how young they both are. Just a couple kids, so sad.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 17, 2011, 09:58:37 PM
Well Pictou County has stumbled across this site, Unsolved Canada, and there are many other cases on this site of young girls/young men  missing in this country. Some have been found, and many have not. For those who have not been found, and long after the press have wrapped up their reporting, we try and keep their names "out there", with hopes that someone will step forward with information and report what they know to crime stoppers.
Quite frankly, it is difficult keeping up with the names of lost loved ones.
Sadly there are far too many.
I hope that Amber is not one of those statistics.  I will be thinking of both sets of parents tonite. And I pray that PC citizens and the families  have their answers soon.
Bless all of you.
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Ron on October 17, 2011, 10:03:33 PM
Yes PC it is very sad to see how young they are. The video gives the names a face.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 17, 2011, 10:20:54 PM
Watching all of this unfold, it is obvious that it has taken on a life of it's own. It is spinning out of control and I can't comprehend the fact that no one is stepping up to put a stop to all this nonsense. Doesn't someone have to ok a parade? Like someone in the town hall there?

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 03:18:12 AM
All these events including the parade you have to remeber that these are kids . Kids that are scared and worried about their friend. Some of the things they are doing may not seem appropriate however their hearts and fear are ruling what they do. How can that be wrong?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 03:29:48 AM
Yes, the parade does raise an eyebrow, and use resources....but it has its good points too.   Nothing like this really happens around here.  I've lived in PC all my life and know that some horrible things have happened in the past and it's really taking a toll on the community.  So much buzz going around now that the car was taken (?? thought that would have been done at the start, that and searching the apartment in my opinion).  A parade would definately draw media attention, and it's good for the loved ones as well because so many people are joining together in their desperate pleas to bring one family back together.  To get Amber home.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 18, 2011, 04:34:21 AM
I don't think this one has been posted but it seems not only did they take his car but cellphone as well

http://www.news957.com/news/local/article/288904--police-seize-boyfriend-s-car-in-missing-woman-case


New Glasgow police have seized property from the boyfriend of a young woman, a week after she disappeared without a trace.

Sources tell News 95.7 officers seized Mason Campbell's car and cellphone Sunday as the search for Amber Kirwan, 19, entered its second week.

Kirwan was last seen Oct. 9 around 1:30 a.m. when she left a Dooly's pool hall and called Campbell for a ride home.

He told police she was going to meet him at a nearby convenient store but that she wasn't there when he arrived.

Since then, police and volunteer searchers have combed the streets of New Glasgow as well as nearby wooded areas and rivers for any sign of Kirwan, collecting potential evidence.

"Throughout the week, we've been gathering possible items of interest, from information from the general public as well as from investigators," Cst. Ken MacDonald told The Rick Howe Show, Monday. "Those possible items of interest, that may have a connection with the case, have to be analyzed by both investigators and forensic teams."

Cst. MacDonald did not speak directly to the seizure.

This week, the RCMP joined the case, contributing helicopters, dog and dive teams to the search of the area around the Pictou Landing home Kirwan shared with Campbell.

Police are not sharing any theories about Kirwan's disappearance and whether the case may turn into something other than a missing person investigation.

"Investigators will make that determination if in fact it goes from a missing case to another type of investigation," said Cst. MacDonald. "But as of right now, the missing case of Amber Kirwan and the search for missing person Amber Kirwan continues."

Anyone with information about the case is being urged to contact Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS) or New Glasgow Police.

A $5,000 reward has been issued for any information in the case.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 18, 2011, 06:10:28 AM
I hope they find this girl soon.  The fact that the police aren't releasing much information has me thinking the worst:(  They must be on to something.  Praying that they find her soon and this comes to an end.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 18, 2011, 06:21:45 AM
I've been following here for about a week...and though I see a lot of speculation I appreciate this place to vent or state an opinion where places to do so are limited at the risk of being jumped on for not following the pack.

I was born and lived in Pictou County till only a few years ago. Worked in the immediate area of Dooleys for about 10 years...I wont say the business name but know that I have been around the 'night life' of DT NG A LOT.

My opinion of the area she supposedly went missing is that while it is dark in places and has only one sidewalk...there is a tiny section where I could picture something happening between Dooleys and Big Als...if someone grabbed her between those places things would have been timed just right or planned very well anyway. I've walked it many times...and IMO the alley between Acro and Dooleys (beside CKEC) is way scarier...and theres always tons of people around.

Besides what all the previous posters have already touched on...the thing that bothers me about the Big Al's meeting place is that why there? NO, I know what he said about his vehicle blah blah blah....but there are better places to meet up with someone without going near cops that are closer and better lit. Such as a) Legion Parking lot. Person would leave Dooleys, walk down George to Provost and swing right....all lit. b) the parking lot on the other side of legion...same route but closer. c) the NEW parking lot in the center of the area in question where the old building was just torn down (corner of george, provost and the road the wall is on the road she took *Archimedes st)...crossing the street from Dooley's and cutting down to the lot.
ETA: a street name

Big Al's seems just out of the way to get someone to meet you. The cops around Dooley's are there to watch for fights, drunks in the road piling out of the bar, IMO again, unless the bf was well known to the cops before...they wouldn't have taken notice of him sitting there waiting for his gf.

Another point that should be mentioned (it may have already) is that Dooleys, which was stated as a pool hall is more of a dance hall now...sometimes when people say pool hall they think of a good crowd of people drinking and playing pool....this has turned into a VERY busy dance club with A LOTTTTTT of very drunk people there especially on a long weekend...so it isn't strange a number of people hadn't even noticed Amber there. Most long weekends it is standing room only as its one of the only places left younger partiers go to.

Like I've said I've worked in the area...and have seen a few generations of kids drinking....these are just things I've noticed. My opinion of what happened to this poor girl with stay mine as I doubt it would matter to anyone haha
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 18, 2011, 06:27:17 AM
Every opinion matters.  How about sharing...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 18, 2011, 06:40:59 AM
No way!!! lol....It would not be popular but I think peoples thoughts on the bf aren't far off and the cops are looking in the right places...in the interviews on TV he just seems sketchy and a hot headed punk I've seen too many times.

ETA: I think the parade thing is horrid. A lot of people wanting a bit of thanks (attention) or to feel involved...candle walks are great and powerful emotionally but a parade? tacky....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 06:57:03 AM
Every opinion matters.  How about sharing...

Hmmkay...

Ten years ago none of this would be happening the way it is. That's my opinion.

I'll expand. Ten years ago none of us would have an internet forum to come on to so that we could share opinion or unsubstantiated rumour.

Over the 40 plus pages of this thread so far I have seen posts demanding the police tell people something, posts about the boyfriend's character, unsubstantiated posts about him dipping into donation boxes for smokes, and so on. I have also seen that the local live audio feed had to be shut down because of people posting the info online. Was this not a hint to you? I know it's not everyone but the brush I use can be broad in this case.

I admire social media's reach and I watched with earnest at how Amber Alerts seemed to go viral over Facebook in the last 6 months. If it hasn't happened already I am sure we are not too far from a social media tool being utilized to get a missing kid home, or to catch a criminal.

HOWEVER: the thing that we MUST remember is that as much good as we can do with the sharing of little bits of information we can also do an equal amount of harm. That harm can come in the way of damage to a person, damage to a victims family, or, perhaps most importantly, damage to an ongoing investigation.

To those of you keeping within reasonable lines and discussing only qualified fact: good on you. People like you are what make social media a powerful and useful tool. I hope you do not take what I am saying about some of the others as a slight against you.

I am all for hoping that Ms. Kirwan makes it home safe and sound. If the worst comes to pass then I am all for taking the guilty party and making an example of them that no one will ever forget. But most of all I am all for allowing the professionals to do their job and do it right - without the added benefit of armchair quarterbacks on an anonymous internet forum.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 07:04:41 AM
mytwocents my thoughts exactly on how she may have gone missing.  Someone must have planned it so that they knew the exact time/place noone else would see what was going on....which sort of makes me think that someone at the bar may have been watching....and waiting, then leaving so as not to look as though she was not being followed, but close enough to know exactly where she was going, that is, if nothing turns up with the bf.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 18, 2011, 07:29:58 AM
a 'parade' in it's litleral meaning is wrong on many levels....however,

 a walk with her pictures and banners and a chant for justice..or to bring her home would be much more appropriate... especially if they threw in the names and faces of others missing in the area.

that, to me, would be much more appropriate
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
a 'parade' in it's litleral meaning is wrong on many levels....however,

 a walk with her pictures and banners and a chant for justice..or to bring her home would be much more appropriate... especially if they threw in the names and faces of others missing in the area.

that, to me, would be much more appropriate

 :D
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: wantinganswers on October 18, 2011, 08:26:07 AM
We need to start praying for Law enforcement to be granted extra insight and skill in this case to bring about a prompt conclusion in this case. 
My thoughts and prayers are also still with Amber's loved ones and Amber herself if she is still with us. I feel our whole community needs answers and to embrace each other with what ever the outcome is as long as it is the truth.I think many are eager to point to a domestic suspect as this would return our community to our 'safe' normal, but at this point, no matter what we think, I don't think we ought to be putting our ideas in the criminal's head...you know they're following this story as much as the rest of us and probably feeding on it...we'll be giving more ideas how they could send the investigators on wild goose chases. So sad.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 08:36:43 AM
I agree with you there.  Ideas must not be projected to send the police on wild goose chaces , as it takes there time away from the real issues.  I hope the town can collect it self,  and provide a dignity for Amber.  For get the ridiculs parades and perhaps a pray meet or silent virgil in a parking lot near by.  Some form of unity, remembering that until proved different everyone is a part of their community.  I wonder is any one in the town helping to provide Hot refreshements or nurishment to the volunteer Sar that are out helping in the search.  Perhaps a hot lunch or hot drinks would help them retain there strenght to keep up the search.  Hope the community can stay tight and help each other as all members of the community need that now.  Pray that the town doesnt turn into a vigilante and try solving this on there own or through a gossip media form.  We all want Amber found and safe.  The eyes of the world are on you and with you all the way. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 08:54:45 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779800/Police-caution-people-to-beware-of-rumours-in-case-of-missing-teen/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 08:56:02 AM
Pc glad to hear that, it was just a thought on ways people could help, as I know at times like this every one wants to help in some way.  Hoping yous can all pull together and hold on until this is solved and Amber is found.  Such heart break I know that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 09:00:23 AM
Watchful I am with you on some of that.  kids do stick up for each other.   Wondering also if some of her girlfriends that she was with that night have secret.  We have all been young and know that girl friends share secrets that even the boy friends and parent don't know.  Was there some plan or something in the air that has not been brought up.  There has to be one sentence out there that will bring this to an end one way or the other.   Hoping today is the day that something is found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 09:00:39 AM
I am not sure if anyone is providing food and refreshments to the Search Group eyeswideopen but that would certainly be a great idea. I was shocked last night when I went to a few places in town to do some shopping (New Glasgow). Everyone is talking about this case to others and the rumours are flying. Fingers are being pointed and people are saying things about what has been found at the Search sites. What amazes me though was seeing young people out on the street alone late at night. I grew up In New Glasgow and lived there till I got married then moved out to the rural area. When I was 19 (and that was more than 30 years ago) I would never have walked alone late at night. We travelled in pairs or groups. I know people are trying to remain positive but people need to be realistic as well. God forbid if something tragic has happened to this girl someone had to do it. The police may have some idea of who it is but we really don't know. What if that person is a threat and still roaming around the streets looking for another victim?

I never take the rumours as fact, the facts I take from the police or police statements.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 09:02:58 AM
I think that if the police thought that there was an immediate threat to the public they would announce it in a bulletin.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
What amazes me though was seeing young people out on the street alone late at night. I grew up In New Glasgow and lived there till I got married then moved out to the rural area. When I was 19 (and that was more than 30 years ago) I would never have walked alone late at night. We travelled in pairs or groups. I know people are trying to remain positive but people need to be realistic as well. God forbid if something tragic has happened to this girl someone had to do it. The police may have some idea of who it is but we really don't know. What if that person is a threat and still roaming around the streets looking for another victim?

New Glasgow is NOT Harlem. Or Moscow. Or Termiz. Or Bangkok. And the cops agree.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779800/Police-caution-people-to-beware-of-rumours-in-case-of-missing-teen/1

From the article:
Quote
“If the wrong information does get out there, folks might begin to feel their neighbourhoods might be unsafe, and that’s not the case,” MacDonald said.

Nish

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
Police often do not make those kind of announcement as we well know.  Two example are Paul Bernado, they did not announce they had a serial killer on the loose even when he was the scarbor rapest.  Also the pig farmer out west, they did not announce that either.  Nor did they announce the bedroom rapes that raped 14 women in toronto in thier own bedrooms.  Police often keep something like this quiet so that a town is not insest with the knowledge.  Let today be the day she is found.

For fear of an attack I have to ask this question,  is there any doubt that she might have been upset about something and left on her own?  Just a wonder that I have to put out there as I don't think it has been asked/
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 18, 2011, 09:23:28 AM
I've posted an article that was provided in a link, by natesgirl. There is some good advice here regarding rumours. Something that we are cautious about avoiding here as well.


Police caution people to beware of rumours in case of missing teen
Published on October 17, 2011

 Topics : NEW GLASGOW NEW GLASGOW – Facebook has been both a blessing and a curse in the disappearance of local teen Amber Kirwan.

While the social media site got the word out quickly that the 19-year-old had not been seen since she left Dooly’s at 1:30 a.m. on Oct. 9, it’s also been a hotbed for rumours about what happened to Kirwan.

That’s prompted New Glasgow Police to issue a caution to county residents: don’t believe everything you read.

Police won’t be updating the public via social media, says Const. Ken MacDonald.

“One of the biggest reasons why we’re releasing press releases is because it’s the best way to make sure the most correct and accurate information is getting out to the public, and we do that via the media,” he said. “Our biggest concern is the wrong information getting out there.”

Wild rumours began circulating over the weekend as county residents began noticing increased police activity in areas being searched. There have also been rumours about what may or may not have happened the night Kirwan disappeared.

“If the wrong information does get out there, folks might begin to feel their neighbourhoods might be unsafe, and that’s not the case,” MacDonald said.

He urged people to check their sources before believing rumours.

“If it comes from the police, it’s reputable in origin,” he said. “But you can relate stuff on Facebook where you don’t know the origin of the information, you have to check where it’s coming from before you believe it.”

Some people have heard those rumours and taken them as facts and have contacted police with tips about them, MacDonald said.

“Rumours are flying everywhere, but I’d urge people to wait for the information to come out through the paper,” he said. “We’ve had people contact us about these rumours and we’ve referred them to our latest press release.”


That’s not to say police don’t want tips from the public – quite the opposite, MacDonald said, and so far, the tips have been coming in fast and furious.

“Tips and information is the best way to solve a case,” he said. “They’re coming in steady, we have a steady influx of tips and they’re very valuable. The public has been a tremendous help and assistance in this case.”


http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779800/Police-caution-people-to-beware-of-rumours-in-case-of-missing-teen/1
 (http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2779800/Police-caution-people-to-beware-of-rumours-in-case-of-missing-teen/1)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 09:33:24 AM
Nish,

Your comment of "New Glasgow is NOT Harlem. Or Moscow. Or Termiz. Or Bangkok. "  I agree it is none of those places but things happen even in other places.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 18, 2011, 09:38:57 AM
from Nish:
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New Glasgow is NOT Harlem. Or Moscow. Or Termiz. Or Bangkok. And the cops agree.


I can't recall how many times I've heard people say "We never thought something like this could happen here."

Things like this can happen anywhere. In any town, in any neighbourhood, at any time of day. All you would have to do is read some of the cases on this board to see that. People often have a false sense of security, especially young people. Everyone thinks those kinds of things only happen to someone else, somewhere else.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Great idea to post this link.  As I am sure the people need to know that rumors can take the polices valuble time away from the actual search while they eliminate something that is simply a rumor. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-18/article-2779797/Ground-search-and-rescue-teams-comb-woods-in-case-of-missing-teen/1

Not a big update, but an update nonetheless.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 18, 2011, 10:02:15 AM
To the description that RJ and TRENTON MOM gave of the distance from MC's home to Dooley's and the two police forces working together: What I don't really get is if he was trying to avoid the police by waiting for Amber at Big Al's, why would he risk the drive from his house on Pictou Landing Road to drive up through Trenton? The police are often parked by the Power Plant and that road leads you to the Main Street of Trenton. Upon heading to New Glasgow he would have also risked another known spot for police...Trenton Works. I often remember them being parked on the main street of Trenton,across from Sam's Pizza, and even further up by Tim Horton's. I highly doubt that he would have taken the "back streets" the whole way there as afterall he was "TIRED".
   If they did have a fight and people saw that, I don't think anyone would think anything of it considering the bars getting out, one would only think ,oh those two are drunk and having a spat. I do feel though that whoever she went with she felt that it was okay and must have known them. Maybe a friend of MC's fooled her into thinking that MC sent them to pick her up.
   As for this parade....COME ON PEOPLE! Nobody probably even thought about requiring a permit for one and honking horns...Is that really necessary?
   Has there been any word if MC is in police custody? Also I saw somewhere in a previous post that Amber's family made a comment to MC: (MARJ KIRWAN) WE love you Mason,Amber couldn't ask for a better boyfriend. But she already knows that.Sure appears that they are supporting him unlike other rumors that are going around. Just wondering???
Schooner
P.S. sorry about the Bold, not too sure about working the format :-[
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
Thanks for the update Nates
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 10:06:18 AM
Amber's parents stayed out of the limelight until just recently. I wonder if they were advised to pretend things were normal as far as the boyfriend goes?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 18, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
Good Point Oceansalt! ;)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 10:13:38 AM
Wow I am amazed.  It would appear that the parents support the boyfriend  from there post but people even insist on making that suspect.  I am begining to wonder if fingers are pointed at him to protect some one else?  What ever happened to fairness.  Not defending any one or accusing anyone.  But from the outside and what I am seeing posted on here, this is sure a bias town. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 10:23:15 AM
Nish,

Your comment of "New Glasgow is NOT Harlem. Or Moscow. Or Termiz. Or Bangkok. "  I agree it is none of those places but things happen even in other places.

I agree. However, living in fear of the unknown is counterproductive. That was my point in the statement.

I can't recall how many times I've heard people say "We never thought something like this could happen here."

Same here.

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Things like this can happen anywhere. In any town, in any neighbourhood, at any time of day. All you would have to do is read some of the cases on this board to see that. People often have a false sense of security, especially young people. Everyone thinks those kinds of things only happen to someone else, somewhere else.

And so I think there must be a careful balance between education and not having people believe there are monsters around every corner.

I have no opinions on what happened and whom is responsible. But I will offer that I believe this to be isolated, and I read the same into the police's comments which is why I make mine.               
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 10:29:18 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-18/article-2779797/Ground-search-and-rescue-teams-comb-woods-in-case-of-missing-teen/1

Small update saying they are continuing the search around Big Gut Bridge.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 18, 2011, 10:32:17 AM
There is apic in the paper from the balloon ribbon even that showed Marj with her arms around MC. I'm sure they don't want to think he's involved.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 18, 2011, 10:38:12 AM
It is hard to figure out families and boyfriends and all that, but the main focus is on where is Amber. We can think what we like, but the investigators will be right on to anything that is amiss. I am sure they have to be confident that they are going to get the right person who is responsible for Amber's disappearance and it looks like now it is murder. There certainly is a lot of dramatization on here related to the town of New Glasgow. Come on guys, us here in Nova Scotia don't think anything about New Glasgow, blink your eyes and you just about pass it by.  So let's cut to the chase and get to the real tragedy here, Amber has not been found. We do not want to hurt anyone, there has been enough done now and everybody has to get the warmth back into their feelings for Amber's mom and dad and family members. Let's all say a silent prayer that Amber is found very soon. And if her BF is a person suspected, then the police will certainly have this sewed up in due time. But you and I know, as well as another poster has stated, many are missing and are cold cases, we don't want that to happen to Amber.

I am glad a reward has been posted in the amount of $5000.00, for information leading to Amber's safe return. We pray you are found soon, Amber.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 18, 2011, 10:43:43 AM
Well one thing I do not understand, if the police have no idea who did this why are they saying the neighborhoods are safe and not to assume they are unsafe. If this is a random kidnapping is anyone really safe until this is solved??
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 18, 2011, 10:57:43 AM
PC  it almost seems that way.  They keep saying the same thing over and over. Your neighbourhood is safe. Well I would not feel very safe for my grandchildren if this is a stranger abduction.  They worry about rumors , well tell us that you have suspects instead of this is a case of a missing person. She didn't go missing on her own did she????
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 18, 2011, 11:04:36 AM
PC  it almost seems that way.  They keep saying the same thing over and over. Your neighbourhood is safe. Well I would not feel very safe for my grandchildren if this is a stranger abduction.  They worry about rumors , well tell us that you have suspects instead of this is a case of a missing person. She didn't go missing on her own did she????

Exactly! We either should be scared, or we shouldn't be because you have good reason to think who did "it" (whatever "it" may be). I know it could alert the suspect but it leaves the rest of us nervous and panicked.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 11:11:23 AM
Well one thing I do not understand, if the police have no idea who did this why are they saying the neighborhoods are safe and not to assume they are unsafe. If this is a random kidnapping is anyone really safe until this is solved??

PC  it almost seems that way.  They keep saying the same thing over and over. Your neighbourhood is safe. Well I would not feel very safe for my grandchildren if this is a stranger abduction.  They worry about rumors , well tell us that you have suspects instead of this is a case of a missing person. She didn't go missing on her own did she????

Your logic in both posts is simply astounding.

1) By your first post it should okay for everyone to assume they should not drive on any road or highway because there is still the possibility that someone else could crash into you.

What I take from their statement is that they believe this to be an isolated incident and I am fine with that. If you want to cower under the bedsheets that's your perogative.

2) Your second indicates that instead of asking people to display some bit of self control vis a vis the posting of rumours that the cops should just give out whatever info they have.

This is completely false. The police, in an attempt to mete out some of the "bad" info they are getting and also to keep the community from winding itself into a frenzy, issued a plea for people to THINK before they mash the reply button on Facebook or an internet forum. There is nothing wrong with that request. You are not OWED an explanation, sorry.

Has anyone given any thought to the possibility that perhaps the police are staying quiet in order to AID THE INVESTIGATION? Your short term discomfort is worth it for the long term goals. EDIT: Your short term inability to post "facts" on Facebook or share them with gossip hounds, if that is indeed a want for some (which I strongly suspect), is worth it for the long term goals.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 18, 2011, 11:19:31 AM
Amber's parents stayed out of the limelight until just recently. I wonder if they were advised to pretend things were normal as far as the boyfriend goes?

The picture in yesterday's NG News on the front page had the BF and her mother arm in arm at the balloon launch on the weekend...I cannot imagine that is just for show to put him at ease.  If I thought someone hurt my child, I would not, under anyone's advice, be seen supporting or holding him up. They must be quite comfortable with the BF.  That in itself needs to give all of "us" pointing fingers some food for thought.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/2011-10-15/article-2778698/Balloons-for-Amber/1 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: misty on October 18, 2011, 11:21:54 AM
Amber's parents are going to believe the boyfriend, because the alternative means their child for sure isn't coming home.  It's the only hope they have to hang on to.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 18, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
My guess is just that. They are withholding info for fear of ruining their investigation.
They have to have all their ducks in a row before they make an arrest.

One slip up and the charges won't stick.

I feel the same as everyone else on here, in that my patience are wearing thin and need answers.

But at the same time I want the police to be able to do their job and if that takes holding things back then so be it.
But as you noticed that any searches done now are for evidence alone......
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 18, 2011, 11:31:37 AM
Has anyone given any thought to the possibility that perhaps the police are staying quiet in order to AID THE INVESTIGATION? Your short term discomfort is worth it for the long term goals. EDIT: Your short term inability to post "facts" on Facebook or share them with gossip hounds, if that is indeed a want for some (which I strongly suspect), is worth it for the long term goals.

Nish

Absolutley I've thought of this. I know we aren't owed an explanation, and that they likely are keeping things from us as to not affect their case. However it's still ever present in my mind that the reality of this happening to one of my children, or myslef is a lot more clear now. This whole thing has taken my blinders off.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 11:39:00 AM
Absolutley I've thought of this. I know we aren't owed an explanation, and that they likely are keeping things from us as to not affect their case. However it's still ever present in my mind that the reality of this happening to one of my children, or myslef is a lot more clear now. This whole thing has taken my blinders off.

Then likely my comments were not directed at you.

My guess is just that. They are withholding info for fear of ruining their investigation.
They have to have all their ducks in a row before they make an arrest.

One slip up and the charges won't stick.

I feel the same as everyone else on here, in that my patience are wearing thin and need answers.

But at the same time I want the police to be able to do their job and if that takes holding things back then so be it.
But as you noticed that any searches done now are for evidence alone......

Ding, ding, ding.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 18, 2011, 11:51:46 AM

I know for a fact there are some bad ass people in PC that would love to go see him themselves so if I were him I wouldn't stoke the fire too much.

I said the same last night. People is PC will take things into their own hands sooner than later. I hope he realizes that. It would be a real shame if he is innocent if people did that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 18, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
please, if anyone has some real info regarding her dissappearance please call crimestoppers or the police.  

this thread is losing any logic it once held..which was way back in the first few pages of the thread..unreal.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 18, 2011, 12:08:53 PM
I think a lot of people on here use this MSG board to VENT!!! I understand that some of you are taking offence to this. I know we are not entitled to know the FACTS but people just want their minds at ease. I don't think it is a case of people trying to solve the mystery as much as seeking answers. Maybe someone should start a new "VENT" site and invite these members. Those that would be interested could join. I do see where the main focus of this site is losing it's purpose so therefore I think it would be great if someone could organize a venting, NOT BASHING, just a place where people could voice their concerns and opinions without insulting anyone. We all want Amber to come home and lets not forget about that!
Schooner
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 18, 2011, 12:12:57 PM
I apoligize if my 2cents worth were hindering the logic of this thread...I've simply came here to read what people that were pretty much WITHOUT 'inside' influence thought on the matter. Being from the county I know how a lot of people think knowing someone who knows someone....a lot of posters on here don't have that and post using clean judgements based on their experiances.

I was going to remain just a reader but I thought a few things weren't mentioned or thought of...........and now I am creeping back into the shadows. :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 18, 2011, 12:22:14 PM
perhaps people just need to see her face again on the thread.

this is why we're all here.

She is missing,possibly taken by a stranger,possibly taken by someone she knew. None of us know, and if one of us does then they should 'grow a pair' and tell someone what they know.

focus on finding amber, dont let her be another cold case added to the long list already within Nova Scotia.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
Don't stay in the shadows mytwocentsworth, I used to stay in the shadows but it is a much better experience to participate. Opinions are neither right or wrong. It was my understanding we were free to discuss those here as long as we follow the Forum rules.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 18, 2011, 12:34:56 PM
Neko, we've pretty well thought of everything you've posted there, but we just did not write it down. Common sense prevails in this and if we are sitting on the sidelines, we pretty well can see the lay of the land, so to say. But we have to have confidence in the police, I'm sure they are investigating in their own meticulous way on this matter. And we urge anyone that has any knowledge about Amber, anything related to something they have been withholding and not telling to the police, give the information to the police.

I do believe that every penny that is collected should be given to the police search and rescue. This is costing a great deal to search for Amber and the money should be turned over to them. A portion could be kept for her parents family expenses, but most should be donated to the Fire Department and rescue teams. That is my view on this and I'm sure most everyone thinks the same.  Hoping Amber is found very soon.:o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 18, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
The leadership in New Glasgow and/or Pictou County should step up and provide some leadership to prevent this town and county from blowing itself apart.

Numerous Facebook pages, blogs and chat rooms are explosive.  Currently the only person of authority that has been speaking has been Const MacDonald and I am sure he is working on little sleep for the past 10 days.  The people of this area need to hear from the Mayor or someone else in a mature authoritative role to ask people to settle down and be patient. The police, I am sure have most of the info they need, now to put together the pieces - once those pieces are in place- we will start getting answers.

The young people who are organizing various events need some mature guidance. It is apparent that they are not getting it. Candlelit Vigils with hooting and hollering are not appropriate. (Check out the Youtube videos)  Parades with honking horns is undignified and purposeless. The current situation is not cause for misplaced/misguided  celebration.

Perhaps one of the many churches in the area and there are plenty, could open their meeting spaces for people to gather for quiet reflection. Perhaps some of the donations coming in could be used to provide refreshments for this type of gathering.  Where are our church leaders....Our community leaders? Can you not see your people are in need of your leadership??? 

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 18, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
IMHO i couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 18, 2011, 01:51:27 PM
Finally the voice of reason...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 18, 2011, 01:58:47 PM
I totally agree with IMHO I don't live in that area but as someone looking it, it does look like the town is going to explode and the longer Amber is missing the more tension,rumors and tempers are going to flare..

I have kept quiet on my feelings and speculations and I am not going to discuss how I feel about who is guilty or not and point fingers because this thread is About Amber and finding her, just like I think that having a parade is absolutely absurd a parade is for celebration and I see no celebration here a young lady is still missing how can that be cause for celebration.  And they said that it will be police escorted Im sorry but the only job the police have is looking for Amber not directing traffic for a parade that should not be happening.

The town Mayor or someone in authority needs to stand up and start directing these young people now before it is too late.

sorry but that is my 2 cents
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 18, 2011, 02:02:47 PM
posted by one of amber's friends

"There are 3 guys and 1 girl walking around with a green sign and a reuseable Sobeys bag asking for donations claiming they are with the search for Amber, they are in NO WAY associated with us. In fact they set up at table at the Superstore and they are taking the money for themselves!! please DO NOT support these people! Please Repost this! "
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 18, 2011, 02:08:45 PM
ng.guy  The RCMP have been notified about this matter.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
IMHO, thank you for putting it the way I really wanted to say it, but you did it so much better. Let everyone act responsible and hopefully things will settle down.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 18, 2011, 02:12:17 PM
posted by one of amber's friends

"There are 3 guys and 1 girl walking around with a green sign and a reuseable Sobeys bag asking for donations claiming they are with the search for Amber, they are in NO WAY associated with us. In fact they set up at table at the Superstore and they are taking the money for themselves!! please DO NOT support these people! Please Repost this! "

OH MY!!!! Someone needs to start an organizing comity! That is such a disgrace :-[ If a particular person was in charge of where each "BOX" or Donation stand was set up maybe it could be monitored a little bit easier. Knowing who was donating and having a set person directed to collect the donations. I know there doesn't seem to be much adult organizing but hopefully one of the adults that are volunteering their time would be able to help set up such a comity.  These volunteers are working to help Amber's Family and it is so sad to think that there is people robbing their own people under such horrific  circumstances.
Schooner
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 18, 2011, 02:21:13 PM
IMHO  I totally agree with your last post too.   I can see on this forum our numbers of people logged on has grown crazy since Amber went missing.   It shows me that your community there really, really cares.   

Some may be going about it the wrong way, but like you said where is a Church Leader or the Mayor or someone like that to step forward and help the community, especially Amber and Mason's peers?  These kids are struggling with the rumours and the fear, and they just can't stay home and do their homework when a young friend went missing; they need to feel like they can help. 

It truly is sad, I hope answers come soon....AND IF anyone on here reading this knows ANYTHING at all, please call the Cops.   Amber needs to be found.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 18, 2011, 02:22:07 PM
Nish I realize you are referring to my post.
I understand that you should not stay off highways because you may have a car crash. They do happen everyday but someone who drops off the face of the earth does not happen everyday.
The case last year in NB , she was kidnapped within 1 minute of leaving the mall and dragged for 2 km then brutalized for 26 days and the police had no idea what had happened to her but they felt the public had nothing to worry about.  They thought she left of her own accord and they were wrong. They did the searches same as in this case and nothing showed up. Her daughters kept her in the news day in and day out and she saw them on TV and it gave her some hope she would be found. When that hope failed she realized she had to escape somehow and she finally did.
They asked for the publics help hoping someone had seen her but no one had. They had leads and tips but they were all false. I am sure many people thought her husband had something to do with it but that was wrong also.
The police are not going on these forums for information hoping for ideas. We are not in anyway interferring with their investigation. They don't give a rats behind what is being said on here. When this idiot kidnapped her he was so mad because she was a 54 yr old grandmother. He wanted a young girl as a girlfriend but that wasn't what he got.
Do you think if he wasn't caught he wouldn't do it again?? Wrong he would have made sure she was young next time.
So until this is solved we cannot point fingers at anyone. Everyone just wants this young lady brought home to her family safely. I would not want my childred out alone after dark until this is over and the police have it solved.  There are so many cold cases in NS , I just hope this isn't one of them.

I think they should keep her face on the news and hope she sees this if she is being held against her will. Give her the will to try to escape and get back to her family.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 18, 2011, 02:22:33 PM
I totally agree with the last few statements. A quiet reflection and prayer in churches (it doesn't have to be on a Sunday), it could be held any night of the week. I think this should be given serious consideration.  Where are the churches on this? For that matter, where are the churches on any of this?

The Mayor should give a statement to the citizens of Pictou County, backing up the police, re: do not listen to rumours, do read the police news bulletins and updates when they come out in print - and last but not least, do call crime stoppers with your tips.

Thirdly, A Trust Account should be set up at a bank in PC (Many communities dothis for their causes.

Have the citizens drop off their donations at the bank.

Stop taking donations on the street - and that will stop thieves from setting up their own table under the guise of "Finding Amber" donations.

If you wish to continue to sell green balloons, sell them in front of the bank where the trust account is held.

And last, do give an accounting through the press, as to the amount of money raised on a regular basis.
And do be CLEAR as to where these donations are going.

This is how it is normally done.  Kudos to her friends who have raised money, but for their own protection, I have listed a few ways in which they can avoid the headache and any accusations of misspent money. Through the bank, you will have receipts for your deposits.  And the bank will do the rest of the work.  :)

JB


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 18, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
Quote IMHO:

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The leadership in New Glasgow and/or Pictou County should step up and provide some leadership to prevent this town and county from blowing itself apart.

Numerous Facebook pages, blogs and chat rooms are explosive.  Currently the only person of authority that has been speaking has been Const MacDonald and I am sure he is working on little sleep for the past 10 days.  The people of this area need to hear from the Mayor or someone else in a mature authoritative role to ask people to settle down and be patient. The police, I am sure have most of the info they need, now to put together the pieces - once those pieces are in place- we will start getting answers.

The young people who are organizing various events need some mature guidance. It is apparent that they are not getting it. Candlelit Vigils with hooting and hollering are not appropriate. (Check out the Youtube videos)  Parades with honking horns is undignified and purposeless. The current situation is not cause for misplaced/misguided  celebration.

Perhaps one of the many churches in the area and there are plenty, could open their meeting spaces for people to gather for quiet reflection. Perhaps some of the donations coming in could be used to provide refreshments for this type of gathering.  Where are our church leaders....Our community leaders? Can you not see your people are in need of your leadership???

Excellent ideas. Also JB and a few others.

After reading all these pages to get perspective, I'm at the same place I was in the beginning.

Horn blaring and people swearing at passing drivers to get attention to Amber's cause?

Why not do something that represents the sweet, prescious, lovable young lady?  My thoughts and prayers for Amber, her family, Mason and family, and friends.
I will offer the same for the community as people really seem to have lost all reasoning powers, judging by the postings here. I am afraid, since this feeding frenzy is getting way out of hand, if there's not a stop put to it, (as police have already needed to shut down frequencies) the outcome will be more violence. Just my take after reading here. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 18, 2011, 03:49:26 PM
@ SAP,  I agree!  Something is going to break that bubble soon.  Someone is unfortunately going to get seriously hurt or bashed because of the stress everyone is under trying to make everyone around "aware" of this poor girls disappearance.  I'm sure everyone in the area is more than "aware". 

There is no need of swearing and chasing because someone doesn't "honk".  What if their horn was broken and one of these kids did this to someone who just can't take it anymore and gets out and hurts one of them or they hurt a driver or damage their vehicle?  Already some mans wipers had beem damaged from flyer insertion in them! 

Really though....

Anyone can snap if they've just had enough and can't take it any longer ... the driver, or the one flagging them down. The person outside the vehicle would likely sustain more injury.

In incidents I'm aware of where there has been a missing/death of a loved one or colleague, there have also been debriefings by qualified personnel talking to people in groups to keep the atmosphere of fear to a very minimum. Usually done by counselors trained in grief and fear management. I hope for everyone's sake something like this can be accomplished.
   
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: michealscott on October 18, 2011, 04:05:48 PM
This is just a thought, does the boyfriend owe anyone money?  Is it possible they are waiting for the reward amount to go a bit higher to pay off some debt?  Not sure who in their right mind would allow a 19 yr old girl to move into Pictou Landing anyways, I am sure they could have afforded an apartment in town.  I don't know who is responsible for this, I just want to keep thinking Amber is ok out there, and possibly she is being held for ransom of some sort from someone?

Is pictoe landing a bad area? i live about 45 mins from pictou i been reading this entire situation online since it happened last weekend with no real opinion on whats going on hopefully the police have some good leeds,... i really just feel bad for the family,.... the facebook groups are going out of control but im keeping my 2 cents out of there. hopefully she gets found soon and hopefully shes safe... i drove thru NG today and there is seriously missing posters everywhere you look on every building and most telephone poles i also seen a helicopter cruzing over top stellerton but i have no idea if it has any relation ot the case
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 18, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
I think if she was abducted for ransom, the blackmailer would have made his move by now, as it has been 9 days since she went missing.  Personally, I rule that out.

Got to thinking that if the police were so sure of MC being involved why would they let him ride around in his car for such a long time after she was missing? One would think that they would have seized his car almost right away. But for some reason, only known to them, they did not.

Were they following him somehow to see where he was going during the last week?
(I can't see them being successful at doing that, in such a small town like NG.)

Are they searching other counties nearby? How far away is Stellerton from NG?

JB

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 04:55:30 PM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-18/article-2780586/Community-continues-to-hope/1

About the parade.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Annunaki on October 18, 2011, 05:11:59 PM
Kind of funny how the old tree huggers have not complained about the sheer amount of balloons released into the sky... poor fish be choking on them for weeks with the amount of water around N.S. they are prob landing in... and on another note I think its time the people that want to clear their names take a volunteer polygraph don't ya think? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ! ! !
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 18, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
They are complaining about the balloons and wildlife. They want them to use chinese lanterns instead of balloons.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Maureen on October 18, 2011, 05:21:54 PM
I know that psychics were mentioned but was there any brought in to the area and maybe one can take you to where Amber is. If anything he/she may shine a light on something that may help.

As for the young people, they are looking for any avenues that they think will help find their friend. Whether it be a parade, handing out posters or wearing a green ribbon....I am sure it makes them feel they are doing something. It is better than sitting around waiting for news whether it be good or bad.

I hope that anyone that knows anything has a conscience and will come forward and tell what they know. They may think it is only a small thing and it doesn't really matter but that is not the case. No matter how big or small the information is, it is all important because it all fits in a big puzzle and that small piece may be just what the police need in finding Amber.

As for pointing fingers, I think everything possible should be done in finding Amber and then deal with who is to blame for her disappearance and I hope it is just that...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
Pretty sure they can't install a GPS device in his car. And his car wouldn't be given back if they found something in it.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 18, 2011, 06:16:28 PM
Pretty sure they can't install a GPS device in his car. And his car wouldn't be given back if they found something in it.....
also... ever think that the cops could have put a gps device on his car.. and then they could track it to some of the locations that they have been showing up at... maybe thats why they let him have his car.. some of the older posters in here have been thinking inside the box thats for sure... and to all those people that are saying praying for amber a million times.. prayer will do nothing... maybe if you would get off your ass and get out and help and stop thinking that prayer is the answer.. maybe we would be further along.. Pictou Co.... still the bible belt of Canada....

As it was speculated in earlier posts that the cops may have had to wait to retain a search warrant to seize his car I would think the same procedures would be required to install a GPS system???? I would think the same about phone lines being tapped, not even sure if they actually can do this in Canada? Does anyone know these answers?
Schooner
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
I thought the post from Annunaki was referring to them giving his car back.. my mistake. :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: oceansalt on October 18, 2011, 07:12:18 PM
also... ever think that the cops could have put a gps device on his car.. and then they could track it to some of the locations that they have been showing up at... maybe thats why they let him have his car.. some of the older posters in here have been thinking inside the box thats for sure... and to all those people that are saying praying for amber a million times.. prayer will do nothing... maybe if you would get off your ass and get out and help and stop thinking that prayer is the answer.. maybe we would be further along.. Pictou Co.... still the bible belt of Canada....

Prayer is the way some people deal with these things. Faith is a great thing to have as it carries you through alot. Some people like to pray some like to get out and help, some like to let balloons go, some like to light candles and do walks...some people even do parades. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 18, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
I noticed in one of mc's mothers posts on here that she mentioned another person in the car. So whats the story on this anyway?  Is this his alibi?  Was this person with him all night and can verify mc's every move up until he reported her missing?
I just reread all her posts and didn't see any posts where she said that..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 18, 2011, 07:44:44 PM
His story does not NEED to be told to the public. I don't think he owes the public anything. The only people he needs to be explaining anything to is the police. I understand why his mother would defend him, but really she should not have to.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 07:47:16 PM
Well I know what Isee it as.... I see it as stop accusing people of things unless you Know EVERYTHING! Obviously nobody does.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 18, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
This is upsetting.


http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-18/article-2780683/Volunteers-caution-about-bogus-donation-collectors/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
Sorry but the local posters have driven me to say this.  I am very happy that I do not live in this town the way I see the people on here spreading gossip and behaving.  I see no respect for Amber or her family and especially not for her BF.  Would she be proud of you people , after all this is the man she chose to live with.  I see a lot of me me me , and I heard , I heard, and I know , I know, We know , we know.  This is begining to discust me, thank god I dont live there. If you don't have facts then for god sakes shut up you are causing the police more trouble.  If you know something then for god sakes put it out there.  All these crazy accusations , speculations, and gossip does nothing but take the attention away from this poor missing girl.  Hope everyone is having their day, in which ever forum they are creating drama in.  Seems some people have made up their minds so it doesn't matter what the truth is or who is charged if it isn't who they want then the police will be wrong and they will be right.  Begining to think the police need to install a cerfu in this town because of a few.  Things have gotten ridiculous , a parade for god sakes, pray tell me what do you have to celibrate?  Where is the mayor or city council or any one of authority or with common sense.   Sorry for those who don't like it but this is my opinion.  Do you know what kind of impression you have given the rest of the world of this town.  Am I pissed , yes I sure am .
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 08:28:09 PM
Concerned parent , so is the town run by these out of control kids?  Do you not have city councilors or a Mayor, or a chief or An adult that can take control and get this town back under control.  Sounds pretty scary to me if that is the case.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 08:35:50 PM
Concerned,

 I have teenagers and have been around their friends quite often.. Kids today don't care about being a "Rat" teenagers today aren't scared to say anything. I don't know a single teenager that would lie for a friend about something as big as this. Unless they are not very good kids to begin with.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
Fear of what? wouldn't they be more scared of the trouble they are gonna get in for lying? Good kids scared or not don't lie about this stuff. This is huge. Who are they scared of. If these kids know something and aren't saying they are responsible for all of this taking so long.... And if there are parents that know there kids know something and don't MAKE them tell, they are also responsible for this nightmare. My whole point is that I don't think they know anything that isn't a rumor fueld by more rumor....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 08:53:09 PM
The last few posts are doing nothing but adding to the general hysteria that has gripped this abomination of a thread.

Sorry but the local posters have driven me to say this.  I am very happy that I do not live in this town the way I see the people on here spreading gossip and behaving.  I see no respect for Amber or her family and especially not for her BF.  Would she be proud of you people , after all this is the man she chose to live with.  I see a lot of me me me , and I heard , I heard, and I know , I know, We know , we know.  This is begining to discust me, thank god I dont live there.  Every one from this town need to shut up or put up.  If you don't have facts then for god sakes shut up you are causing the police more trouble.  If you know something then for god sakes put it out there.  All these crazy accusations , speculations, and gossip does nothing but take the attention away from this poor missing girl.  Hope everyone is having their day, in which ever forum they are creating drama in.  Seems some people have made up their minds so it doesn't matter what the truth is or who is charged if it isn't who they want then the police will be wrong and they will be right.  Begining to think the police need to install a cerfu in this town because of a few.  Things have gotten ridiculous , a parade for god sakes, pray tell me what do you have to celibrate?  Where is the mayor or city council or any one of authority or with common sense.   Sorry for those who don't like it but this is my opinion.  Do you know what kind of impression you have given the rest of the world of this town.  Am I pissed , yes I sure am .

Bang. Frigging. On.

I think that the internet for all of Pictou County should be shut down for a day.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 18, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
BTW, Holly, I am not having a go at you with my last, I think you're 100% right. I also like how you post your experience with your children - unlike others who post their opinion as fact, a problem that has been plaguing things in New Glasgow....

Edit: Just saw your latest, another gem. You're bang on.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 18, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Sorry but the local posters have driven me to say this.  I am very happy that I do not live in this town the way I see the people on here spreading gossip and behaving.  I see no respect for Amber or her family and especially not for her BF.  Would she be proud of you people , after all this is the man she chose to live with.  I see a lot of me me me , and I heard , I heard, and I know , I know, We know , we know.  This is begining to discust me, thank god I dont live there.  Every one from this town need to shut up or put up.  If you don't have facts then for god sakes shut up you are causing the police more trouble.  If you know something then for god sakes put it out there.  All these crazy accusations , speculations, and gossip does nothing but take the attention away from this poor missing girl.  Hope everyone is having their day, in which ever forum they are creating drama in.  Seems some people have made up their minds so it doesn't matter what the truth is or who is charged if it isn't who they want then the police will be wrong and they will be right.  Begining to think the police need to install a cerfu in this town because of a few.  Things have gotten ridiculous , a parade for god sakes, pray tell me what do you have to celibrate?  Where is the mayor or city council or any one of authority or with common sense.   Sorry for those who don't like it but this is my opinion.  Do you know what kind of impression you have given the rest of the world of this town.  Am I pissed , yes I sure am .

Well said. I read another post which states the kids will not listen to the parents ... golly gee ... the parents are on FB and forums throwing gossip wildly so what direction do the kids really have. Then someone had the nerve to tell us to get off our asses and forget about prayers b/c it doesn't do any good. The Police are probably chasing rumor/gossip tips as well, which is costly. How many times did police have to remind people to stop the rumor mill?
I came here to find more info on AMBER KIRWAN and all I read is gossip and finger pointing and guilty by public opinion, yet all know what their kids are keeping back. So we have mind readers as well. This is what makes Pictou county dangerous.
It is plain madness and hysteria.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 18, 2011, 09:06:29 PM
If these kids knew a fact that makes someone guilty of something that is hardly a "fib" or "bending the truth" my point is again is that they have NOTHING to tell. Because they know nothing about what happened either. All they are doing is analyzing his behavoir and drawing conclusions... which should not be done and their parents should be telling them that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: frompcns on October 18, 2011, 09:13:00 PM
Please do not judge the intelligence of a whole community based on what you are seeing here and on other forums- that's unfair. the majority of people in PC are putting their faith in law enforcement, hoping for the best yet fearing the worst, and are just genuinely heartbroken for the Kirwan family.... and most are sharing their opinions at their kitchen tables, NOT the internet. I feel that in any small town, a situation like this would cause a similar reaction.  That said, I do feel our civic leaders need to step up and gain some control here, it is time....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
Katakil no one asked you to have respect for Mason or any one else.  All this gossip is wasting taxpayers money when the police believe they have a tip and it turns out to be more gossip.  Why would you or any only else want to keep this whole town in a frenze.  You are intitaled to your opinion BUT FOR GOD SAKES KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF , AND DON'T INFLICT IT ON EVERYONE ELSE.  That goes for any one who does not have fact and proof to back up what they are yapping about.  To tell you the truth no one really knows any one.  The green river killer ended up being a married man with teenage children, his wife and kids never dreampt he could be a killer right.  So that goes to prove no one really and truly knows what anyone is capable of .  So it could turn out to be the least suspected person who had something to do with this, or it could turn out to be the most suspected.  ONE THOUGH I WILL HAND ON TO............DO YOU REALLY AND TRULY THINK THAT AMBER WOULD HAVE LIVED WITH, AND CONTINUED TO STAY WITH SOME ONE SHE THOUGHT MIGHT HARM HER.  Of course not so lets all stop being the judge and jury and let the police solve this and find her.

THIS IS STARTING TO SOUND LIKE TH JUDGE JUDY SHOW.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 09:59:31 PM
Concerned parent is appear that you dont comprehend what you read.  I never in any way put anything on Amber.   What I said is everyone is pointing fingers at one person and that people never no people so in other words it could be the person least suspected.  Stop taking what you want from a conversation and read what was said before you put some ribald comment on.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 18, 2011, 10:26:03 PM
Sorry but the local posters have driven me to say this.  I am very happy that I do not live in this town the way I see the people on here spreading gossip and behaving.  I see no respect for Amber or her family and especially not for her BF.  Would she be proud of you people , after all this is the man she chose to live with.  I see a lot of me me me , and I heard , I heard, and I know , I know, We know , we know.  This is begining to discust me, thank god I dont live there.  Every one from this town need to shut up or put up.  If you don't have facts then for god sakes shut up you are causing the police more trouble.  If you know something then for god sakes put it out there.  All these crazy accusations , speculations, and gossip does nothing but take the attention away from this poor missing girl.  Hope everyone is having their day, in which ever forum they are creating drama in.  Seems some people have made up their minds so it doesn't matter what the truth is or who is charged if it isn't who they want then the police will be wrong and they will be right.  Begining to think the police need to install a cerfu in this town because of a few.  Things have gotten ridiculous , a parade for god sakes, pray tell me what do you have to celibrate?  Where is the mayor or city council or any one of authority or with common sense.   Sorry for those who don't like it but this is my opinion.  Do you know what kind of impression you have given the rest of the world of this town.  Am I pissed , yes I sure am .

Well said. I read another post which states the kids will not listen to the parents ... golly gee ... the parents are on FB and forums throwing gossip wildly so what direction do the kids really have. Then someone had the nerve to tell us to get off our asses and forget about prayers b/c it doesn't do any good. The Police are probably chasing rumor/gossip tips as well, which is costly. How many times did police have to remind people to stop the rumor mill?
I came here to find more info on AMBER KIRWAN and all I read is gossip and finger pointing and guilty by public opinion, yet all know what their kids are keeping back. So we have mind readers as well. This is what makes Pictou county dangerous.
It is plain madness and hysteria.

And Sap. This isn't a court room so I would suggest this isn't the forum for you to be searching for the information you are looking for. If all the evidence was on line then charges would be laid by now.

Thank you for the direction however it's not required; I'm a long timer on missing and murdered cases.

Last time I checked this was a thread for Amber Kirwan: Missing. However it has become a public internet  courtroom and the public have become specialists in body language, mind reading and have declared Mason guilty. All this, while Police are still searching and trying to put a case together.
I suppose it beats a celebration parade and yelling profanities at drivers passing by. I've never seen anything like this and I've seen some of the worst forums around. Some of you are an amazing study.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
Couldn't have said it better Sap.  Thanks.  truly amazing isn't .  The behavior on here I mean.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 18, 2011, 11:07:43 PM
from SAP:
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Thank you for the direction however it's not required; I'm a long timer on missing and murdered cases.

Last time I checked this was a thread for Amber Kirwan: Missing. However it has become a public internet  courtroom and the public have become specialists in body language, mind reading and have declared Mason guilty. All this, while Police are still searching and trying to put a case together.
I suppose it beats a celebration parade and yelling profanities at drivers passing by. I've never seen anything like this and I've seen some of the worst forums around. Some of you are an amazing study.

Well said SAP. I've been on this site for a long time and can say that with all the missing people we have, I have never seen anything like this before.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 18, 2011, 11:13:42 PM
I do not know either MC or AK on a personal level. I have, and will not, make any accusations. I am of the law that a person remains innocent until proven guilty. Theoretically, her boyfriend could be most terrible boyfriend on the planet and still have nothing to do with anything. He could also be the best boyfriend in the world and have everything to do with it. And you know what? Someone else ENTIRELY could have done this (regardless of whether is was a lousy boyfriend or a wonderful one). All I am saying is that no one should be accused of anything because of their "perceived"character. The "Craigslist Killer" was engaged and was "percieved" as the best boyfriend in the world (according to his fiancee). He was in Medical School getting awesome grades. And also a secret serial rapist on the sideline. SO...

Example 2:
A creepy-looking 50 year old man sitting in a park bench watching children play. "Must be a pedophile!" you say.  However, this old man you "percieve" as creepy and a "pedophile" is really a registered psychologist taking notes on child behaviour. So don't judge someone based on who you "think" they are. You could be totally wrong.

I hope Amber is found soon. I just can't point fingers at anyone until 1) They find that person and 2) Find them guilty in a court of law

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
you have very good points Please,  I totally agree with everything you said.  Just wish that town could see that as well.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 18, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
Here are all the facts I have seen or read through the media

Amber Kirwan is missing
She was to meet her bf at Big Al's walking from Dooly's
She was never seen again after leaving Dooly's
It is out of her character to not let her bf or family know where she is
Police and SAR searched starting at Dooly's and working their way towards Pictou Landing(where bf and Amber live)checking the river, wooded areas and empty buildings along the way
Police and SAR searched the area on Heathbell Rd and at the same time the water surrounding bf and Ambers residence
Bf's car is taken by police
Police and SAR search wooded area around bf and Ambers residence and continued to search water as well

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 18, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
And by my post I am not saying people should not express their feelings on this case. I do appreciate them and enjoy reading what others have to say. I like to know the facts and read them here and asks questions. I just prefer (personally) not to point a finger atm.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 18, 2011, 11:45:46 PM
PleaseComeHome , what a refreshing post and the examples are so very true. :)

FromPC, the shoe found near Dooly's ... we seem to hear it was Amber's shoe however did police make a positive ID yet and give that info out publicly? I know they found some clothes and that was going to forensics as well and certainly that info would not become public knowledge. Not a whole lot of facts is it?


This video is beautiful. It has clips of Amber and Mason, what a lovely couple and they looked so happy.
Now it's so sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLJfPeF0Nc&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 18, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
Police and SAR searched starting at Dooly's and working their way towards Pictou Landing(where bf and Amber live)checking the river, wooded areas and empty buildings along the way
Police and SAR searched the area on Heathbell Rd and at the same time the water surrounding bf and Ambers residence
Bf's car is taken by police
Police and SAR search wooded area around bf and Ambers residence and continued to search water as well

Below is a statement regarding this search. It was made by the police and printed in a news paper article which I posted. Yes, the police did search areas that were close to the residence where Amber and her bf lived. I believe as in any proper investigation they were covering all the bases.

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Wild rumours began circulating over the weekend as county residents began noticing increased police activity in areas being searched. There have also been rumours about what may or may not have happened the night Kirwan disappeared.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 18, 2011, 11:52:52 PM
Thanks Sap that is a nice video and yes they sure look happy in the picks.  A well done video to whom every made and posted it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 18, 2011, 11:55:06 PM
SAP  .....when you break it all down, it really isn't alot of facts. As far as the shoe .....the police never actually said what they found. However ,on the internet version of the local news paper they had an article on the shoe with a very clear picture of a black flat shoe. Then later that day it was taken off the site and never put in the actual paper (that I know of).  I didn't want to mention it in the facts because the police have not released info on it and I assume that they asked the local news to remove it from their news site.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 12:00:13 AM
Your right PC there aren't a lot of facts,  lots of speculations but very few actual facts.  I would think that until such times as She is found and the police have all the information they need there will be very little released to the general public.  Doing so would only hamper their case.  Thanks for providing us with what you do have though.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 12:06:09 AM
I think that's why people are going so crazy over this. Such little facts ...... if it was a case with a pic of a possible abductor ......or information that screams were heard in a certain area ...or a witness saw her get in a car etc etc. People may not be going so crazy and pointing fingers.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 12:08:56 AM
SAP  .....when you break it all down, it really isn't alot of facts. As far as the shoe .....the police never actually said what they found. However ,on the internet version of the local news paper they had an article on the shoe with a very clear picture of a black flat shoe. Then later that day it was taken off the site and never put in the actual paper (that I know of).  I didn't want to mention it in the facts because the police have not released info on it and I assume that they asked the local news to remove it from their news site.


Thanks for that info "fromPC". I wasn't clear on a lot of material.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 12:19:27 AM
I think that's why people are going so crazy over this. Such little facts ...... if it was a case with a pic of a possible abductor ......or information that screams were heard in a certain area ...or a witness saw her get in a car etc etc. People may not be going so crazy and pointing fingers.

If the abduction happened by that dark spot of trees as all the patrons were leaving Dooly's which seems like a large establishment (so many people), I can understand no one hearing screams for help. Many people will have had quite a few and they tend to get loud. I've seen now that smokers need to go outside to smoke and I happened by a little pub one night and thought there was a big fight going on as people were talking loud in small groups. No fight, just very loud talking. Whomever, if it did happen there, grabbed Amber will have covered her mouth quite fast, imo.

As Debbie posted with that article, I also believe the searches are normal/routine and working their way out from Dooly's and the downtown area. I hope things settle down and the Police can do their necessary work.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
debbiec .....the rumours that the police are talking about are not so much that people are pointing fingers ....there were and are other very bad rumours being said that I would not dare want to repeat, but one can only guess. There are very very bad rumours going around in PC and  I thank god that people have not posted those on here. It's a bit hard to understand if you're not living here and knowing what's going on and I do not want to share or try to explain it on here.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
Pc yes you are right there is no pic of an abductor or anything tangable.  But so sorrry to tell you that is pretty much always the case when some one goes miss.  I know when my brother went missing it was the same nothing to work with.  But there is no way in hell I would have let the town go crazy like that,  I my self would have been asking the police to step in and do something .  I still think the idea of a 10 oclock cerfu is a good idea until this is solved lol
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 12:23:08 AM
/Well PC how about private messaging and filling some of us in instead of posting it on the site.  I would for one be interest in knowing?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 12:30:18 AM
eyeswideopen .....I guess you are talking about the parade and stuff. Yeah my hubby and I talked about that  earlier. It's a sin, these kids do not seem to have any direction from adults. Someone needs to get them started in an indoor candle lighting for Amber or something along those lines. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 12:33:47 AM
eyeswideopen .....was your brother found?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 12:34:32 AM
Also ....sorry to hear that. My uncle is missing as well.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 12:38:20 AM
Pc I will PM private message you in regard to that as I don't want to take away from Ambers site.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 12:59:13 AM
debbiec .....the rumours that the police are talking about are not so much that people are pointing fingers ....there were and are other very bad rumours being said that I would not dare want to repeat, but one can only guess. There are very very bad rumours going around in PC and  I thank god that people have not posted those on here. It's a bit hard to understand if you're not living here and knowing what's going on and I do not want to share or try to explain it on here.

Thanks PC. If what is going on here is any indication, I'm not surprised that there are terrible rumours going around town. It is a wise decision not to share them here as they don't add anything to Amber's thread. Basically if anyone were to start posting anything like that it would be removed anyway.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 12:59:19 AM
Also ....sorry to hear that. My uncle is missing as well.

I'm sorry to hear that. Is your uncle listed here on Unsolved? If he isn't, you could post his info under wherever he was from. You never know what info can come out of posting his case on a forum. Google picks up pretty fast and then his name is out there on the Web.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 01:09:32 AM
Pc that is a good idea Sap mentioned posting your uncle on here.  Truly if you look through the site none of the other threads are like this one we are on.  Often it helps,  at the very least it gets the word out there.  It doesn't matter how long ago some cases on here are more than 30 yrs ago.  It never hurts.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Mystified on October 19, 2011, 05:43:33 AM
This is the first I am hearing of her bf having a friend with him when he went to pick her up?  Truth or alibi?

This was in an article in NG News about Volunteers Caution about bogus donation collectors.

 She was last seen walking from Doolys to Big Al’s convenience store to meet her boyfriend Mason Campbell, who said he and a friend with him were unable to find her when they arrived.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 06:02:08 AM
Yes, Mystified, I have posted a link earlier for everyone to read about some sick individuals trying to cash in on Amber's disappearance.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 06:03:59 AM
Just a thought...in Baby Lisa's case they are now just getting a search warrant to search the parent's house....just like it took the police a while to search Amber and Mason's house and the car.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Tougher Laws on October 19, 2011, 06:35:17 AM
It seems a lot of people are quick to blame the boyfriend and of course it is a possibility, however it is also quite plausible that this was a stranger abduction. With numerous sexual offenders serving minimal sentences and then once again allowed to roam our streets with minimal restrictions, terrible things unfortunately are bound to happen.  Just google these 3 names and it quickly becomes clear that there are several predators among us:

Thane Moore:  Convicted of raping, beating, strangling and leaving for dead in a forest a female in Prince Edward Island, released in 2007. (Classified as extremely high risk to reoffend.)

Sean Pineau:  Convicted of using a weapon in a rape and threatening to kill and leave in a forest a female in Prince Edward Island, released in 2011.

Karla Homolka:  Convicted of raping and murdering 3 females, and raping several females in the years prior to the murders in Ontario, released in 2005. (Karla now is using the alias Leanne Teale and is married to a man she met in prison, last known to be residing in Quebec.)

These are just a few examples, there are 100's more unfortunately. Perhaps people in surrounding towns and provinces should post the names of released sex offenders and then friends of Amber can google them and see if any of them look familiar. Also many rapes go unreported..perhaps someone who was raped in Pictou Landing or a surrounding area was too scared and/or ashamed to report it.  If they could find the courage to leave an anonymous tip with Crime Stoppers it could very well help find the person responsible for this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 06:39:10 AM
Some things also go on without the papers and news saying anything about it as well in this town.  The public should be aware immediately if a sex offender just got released from jail.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 06:43:31 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local-5302

Small update.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
I just posted on the thread for Kevin Wesley Martin...( Stellerton area - 1994).  On that thread is also the murder of Hazel Oleksiew which was solved in 2005 with the arrest and conviction of Randy McDonald.  He lived in the same apt. complex, and Hazel was last seen at a convenience store.  Anyways, McDonald was given LIFE with no chance of Parole for 19 years.   

Does anyone know if he is still in jail?  (He better be)

All I can say about the cops searching is that they certainly have their work cut out for them....there is so much water and rural area around New Glasgow....Pictou Landing....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 07:09:59 AM
jobo .....not sure if he's out, but if it was no chance of parole for 19 ys, I would think he isn't.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 07:15:46 AM
Yes, fromPC, sounds like he is locked away for 19 years...but stranger things have happened.  I wanted confirmation, just in case.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: wantinganswers on October 19, 2011, 07:24:17 AM
I wish I knew how to band together and change our legal system to enforce harsher sentences without parole..
It is wrong that when some one takes someone else's life intentionally they only suffer restriction for a few years of their own life. The only parole I believe someone should have who has intentionally taken someone else's life is supervised/guarded work environments where they get work experience, stay busy and benefit society...while serving a maximum sentence.

As far as Amber Kirwan, we can only hope she returns alive and well. If this cannot happen, we can only hope that whoever did this to her meets as much justice with our law enforcement as they can administer.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
Jobo, Randy MacDonald, 49, and Stephen Ball; an accessory to the fact, have been arrested and in jail for the 2002 murder of Hazel Ann Oleksiew.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: BDK on October 19, 2011, 08:07:03 AM
jobo - Hazel Oleksiew was a dear friend to me, and my now-husband and I were the last of her friends and family to see her alive. She left our apartment on Halloween night to go out (I was only 18 at the time and could not go with her), and never made it past the convenience store just a minute or two on foot down the road.

We moved to New Glasgow in 2010, and needless to say Amber's story has brought back awful memories - and my first horrified thoughts were that Randy had been released as well; the story is just so uncannily similar, a bar, a convenience store, a 19 year old girl and a very short time frame for a disappearance. It also encourages me to remind people that while a spouse or partner is often the culprit in missing persons or homicide cases, it is not an absolute. People cast suspicions on Hazel's boyfriend as well, and certainly had egg on their faces when almost three years later, her killer turned out to be a neighbour whom she barely knew, except in passing. We all lived together in a 12 unit apartment building - Randy right next to us, in fact! There is a reason why people are innocent until proven guilty in this country, and it saddens me to see people leap on Mason to such a degree - because no one knows any more than anyone else in this situation, at this time - to accuse without valid reason, evidence or proof is harmful, and could really hurt someone if they in fact turn out to be completely uninvolved with her disappearance.

To my knowledge, Randy has not been released from prison, nor should he be for quite some time yet. He was sentenced on November 1st, 2005, and it has only been six years. I tried at one point to register as a victim so that I could attend future parole hearings, but am told it is unlikely I could do so without being a family member, despite being close to her and deeply involved in the investigation. So, unfortunately, a parole hearing for Randy is not something I am likely to hear about. I live in fear daily for the day he is released, just as I lived in fear daily for the three years he walked free. I do not know what the chances are of someone accessing early parole after only 6 years of a life sentence, but if he were to be free at this time, I am almost certain the police would have taken a good hard look at Randy and others like him who live within reasonable distance of where Amber disappeared. I don't think there is any way to find out if he is still in prison.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EvaCampbell on October 19, 2011, 08:37:14 AM
I did not want to give any information that was not released by the police. But I lost my temper with the media at that moment. You will note that I did tell you that the public has less than 1 percent of the info, and that the people that NEED that info...have it.

I stopped commenting on this forum because those of you who have made up your mind, don't want to be persuaded otherwise.

I noticed in one of mc's mothers posts on here that she mentioned another person in the car. So whats the story on this anyway?  Is this his alibi?  Was this person with him all night and can verify mc's every move up until he reported her missing?
I just reread all her posts and didn't see any posts where she said that..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:54:38 AM
I stopped commenting on this forum because those of you who have made up your mind, don't want to be persuaded otherwise.

Eva, I wish it was easy to change other's convictions. But you remember, you are Mason's mother, neither you, nor Amber's family should or need to be reminded of the love you have for your children.  Keep strong in the knowledge you have, do not waiver, nor allow other's ignorance to hurt you.  I would stop reading these forums if I were you or Amber's parents.  People will always have something to say, try to keep your strength and focus on all of the good things the good people in this county have to say and do for your family.

Much love
C.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 19, 2011, 08:59:52 AM
I did not want to give any information that was not released by the police. But I lost my temper with the media at that moment. You will note that I did tell you that the public has less than 1 percent of the info, and that the people that NEED that info...have it.

I stopped commenting on this forum because those of you who have made up your mind, don't want to be persuaded otherwise.

I noticed in one of mc's mothers posts on here that she mentioned another person in the car. So whats the story on this anyway?  Is this his alibi?  Was this person with him all night and can verify mc's every move up until he reported her missing?
I just reread all her posts and didn't see any posts where she said that..

I agree that being Masons mom and being so close to Amber this is a very trying time in your life.  However since the media is allowing Mason to look like a person of interest and having a community divided over it..If the information had been released at the begining then maybe people would stop their speculating and accusations..I believe people do have an open mind and are fair when the facts are given to them..of course the police must keep things private but allowing a young man to be crucified in the media will not help how is perceived in the future when the truth comes out..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
I agree. watchful eyez
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 19, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
Hi Folks,

I am sure this must be hard on this town and the people who know the girl or her boyfriend. I hope we can hold our judgment on what happened at this time.

The police are not warning the public to be vigilant, which means they probably already know what happened and are convinced of it.

Searching the vehicle of the BF may have just been routine, it may not have. No one knows thus far.

But I think almost all of us agree, the police are working on this, seem to have evidence and a working theory and we should all know in short order as I feel they will make an arrest, or if not, make a statement with more details.

It is difficult for the mods here to keep having to deal with angry people, even if they end up being right, I hope y'all can appreciate that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 09:31:30 AM
Please get back to discussing Amber.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 19, 2011, 09:45:19 AM
Hello Eva, I heard about somebody else in Mason's car on his route to pick her up to, I would say I heard this three days before you let it leak out from somebody who knows you and Mason. What I couldn't understand, Eva, is why was your son being allowed to be crucified by everybody if he has an alibi. When I was told what the father of person accompanying him did  for a living, I kind of understood why.  Doesn't make it right, as far as I am concerned, if the info I received is spot on, I don't care what his dad does for a living, at this point this person should be making a statement in defense of Mason, stating he was with him the entire time. Anybody I've talked is blaming your son for this, even with the knowledge that somebody was supposedly with him, their reasoning is that so what if somebody was with him on the way in, did he drop this person off before going to pick Amber up...to even more ridiculous speculation that this second person was there when whatever happened to Amber, happened. This county has lost it's mind, and yes, having this mystery person enter the public eye might not calm people down, it should very well at least take the unfounded heat off your son. You know what people here are like, Eva, and so do the authorities, if indeed your son had somebody with him, regardless of who the father is and regardless if they don't want to be in the public eye, they have to realize this is wrong letting Mason take all of this on by himself.  Mason's recent posts on the internet show a man falling apart emotionally and mentally due to unfounded accusations. It's wrong for this person to sit put and say nothing. It's criminal.

Stay strong, Eva.

   
I did not want to give any information that was not released by the police. But I lost my temper with the media at that moment. You will note that I did tell you that the public has less than 1 percent of the info, and that the people that NEED that info...have it.

I stopped commenting on this forum because those of you who have made up your mind, don't want to be persuaded otherwise.

I noticed in one of mc's mothers posts on here that she mentioned another person in the car. So whats the story on this anyway?  Is this his alibi?  Was this person with him all night and can verify mc's every move up until he reported her missing?
I just reread all her posts and didn't see any posts where she said that..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 09:49:28 AM
I agree this is not a time of sunshine and butterflys and is a terrible time,  but please lets not create another tradgety because of it.   The more positive, and unaccusing people remain the more likely for a resolution.....just my opinion.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 19, 2011, 09:50:09 AM
And let me also point out that if this mystery person comes forward and gives Mason a solid alibi people will have no bogeyman to focus on and have no choice but to focus on Amber again instead of Mason. Because people have forgotten about Amber on the most part. I understand the concept that focusing on the person they think is guilty would help find her, but what if everybody was focusing on somebody wrongly thus wasting their resources?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 19, 2011, 09:56:09 AM
I think on page 52 or 53 someone was asking about a picture in the news about the police finding a black shoe, I knew I had seen it and here is a link of the police picking up what looks to be a "black flat shoe". atleast that is what it looks like to me I could be wrong

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-11/article-2774215/Boyfriend-questioned-in-Kirwans-disappearance/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: whispersoftly on October 19, 2011, 10:08:13 AM
here is the pic for on the site..thought it would be a good idea to post it. now that I know how to do it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 10:19:04 AM
Please do not judge the intelligence of a whole community based on what you are seeing here and on other forums- that's unfair. the majority of people in PC are putting their faith in law enforcement, hoping for the best yet fearing the worst, and are just genuinely heartbroken for the Kirwan family.... and most are sharing their opinions at their kitchen tables, NOT the internet. I feel that in any small town, a situation like this would cause a similar reaction.  That said, I do feel our civic leaders need to step up and gain some control here, it is time....

Thanks for pointing out that you can't judge a whole County by facebooks or a forum on the internet. Very true.
Many families do resolve conflict and give their families support  with "good old kitchen table talk".
It beats the internet, hands down.  IMO

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 19, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
I wish I knew how to band together and change our legal system to enforce harsher sentences without parole..
It is wrong that when some one takes someone else's life intentionally they only suffer restriction for a few years of their own life. The only parole I believe someone should have who has intentionally taken someone else's life is supervised/guarded work environments where they get work experience, stay busy and benefit society...while serving a maximum sentence.


Easy peasy....

Vote Conservative.

Or Brendan Shannahan.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 19, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
www.pictouadvocate.com has an update
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
Yes Watchful...Many of my posts from last night were deleted by someone and I don't particularly appreciate that. I just skimmed through here and see that the post where I responded to rude posts by a few was deleted just because some of us think differently than others. Eyeswideopen's post from last night attacked a few of us on here because we stated our 2 cents worth, she posted for people to SHUT UP and was quite obnoxious. I responded. My post got deleted, yet hers remains? What's with that? Now who is being biased?

 I have to say that people are posting on here, moderators included, where they say one thing like "don't make assumptions" and "don't speculate"...yet in their next post they themselves are making assumptions, speculating and doing the very things they are telling others not to do.

 I am not a baby and I would appreciate that I get treated with the same respect and guidelines as any other on here. I am not the only one seeing and noting this. If you want to erase my post at least have the balls to tell me why. Otherwise you are being very sneaky and underhanded. This forum is meant for people to discuss back and forth, and I would expect that it be done in a respectful manner, but coming on here and telling us to SHUT UP and that you are pissed isn't being very professional at all, and why a post like that remains while others are being deleted is beyond me. If you want to come on here and act all holier than thou, be willing and able to at least follow your own advice.

 Another recent poster stated something like "why are people coming on here and making statements about things you don't know...for example reading body language, etc". And Debbie, you keep coming on here and making reference to the other cases on this site. I do happen to know about the topics I have commented on. Just because I don't come on here like some and claim my experience in these fields doesn't mean I am not trained in these fields. Maybe it's time for some to stop assuming we don't know what we are talking about because that is quite assumptuous, isn't it? Read my previous posts, the ones that were not deleted and you will see that I probably do happen to know what I am talking about.

 I guarantee that every post I made was based on FACT, not hearsay. I did not ever say 'so and so' did this, however, I am allowed to voice my opinion based on what I (and I did say "I") know. Not my fault some people make it very easy to form an opinion.

 And also for those of you who accuse some of us for speaking on topics we know nothing about...I have personally worked on many of the cases Debbie refers to on this site, so I do know something. So please don't assume I am just on here trying to stir the pot. My information is based on many years experience and training in such situations as this. So stop spouting off, pointing fingers, speculating and making assumptions, OK???

 From now on, if someone wants to delete my threads at least have the BALLS and common courtesy to tell me. I can agree to disagree, can you?????       

Perhaps it might help to read the forum rules.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: wantinganswers on October 19, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
I wish I knew how to band together and change our legal system to enforce harsher sentences without parole..
It is wrong that when some one takes someone else's life intentionally they only suffer restriction for a few years of their own life. The only parole I believe someone should have who has intentionally taken someone else's life is supervised/guarded work environments where they get work experience, stay busy and benefit society...while serving a maximum sentence.


Easy peasy....

Vote Conservative.

Or Brendan Shannahan.

That opens a whole new can of fish!! ...We need a new political system too..., plus, conservatives are currently dominating parliament hill. What about proportional representation  or better yet, proportional representation by subject or 'bill' so that our taxes proportionally go to the things important to the people of this country-I am done, THIS IS NOT FOR POLITICS!

Surely no matter what Government is in power though, if people make bigger 'stinks', protests, something that cannot be ignored, when specifically murderers are put out on parole with freedoms, eventually the courts would be slower to parole them...?? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 12:58:34 PM
Quote EJP:

Quote
Hello Eva, I heard about somebody else in Mason's car on his route to pick her up to, I would say I heard this three days before you let it leak out from somebody who knows you and Mason. What I couldn't understand, Eva, is why was your son being allowed to be crucified by everybody if he has an alibi. When I was told what the father of person accompanying him did  for a living, I kind of understood why.  Doesn't make it right, as far as I am concerned, if the info I received is spot on, I don't care what his dad does for a living, at this point this person should be making a statement in defense of Mason, stating he was with him the entire time. Anybody I've talked is blaming your son for this, even with the knowledge that somebody was supposedly with him, their reasoning is that so what if somebody was with him on the way in, did he drop this person off before going to pick Amber up...to even more ridiculous speculation that this second person was there when whatever happened to Amber, happened. This county has lost it's mind, and yes, having this mystery person enter the public eye might not calm people down, it should very well at least take the unfounded heat off your son. You know what people here are like, Eva, and so do the authorities, if indeed your son had somebody with him, regardless of who the father is and regardless if they don't want to be in the public eye, they have to realize this is wrong letting Mason take all of this on by himself.  Mason's recent posts on the internet show a man falling apart emotionally and mentally due to unfounded accusations. It's wrong for this person to sit put and say nothing. It's criminal.

Stay strong, Eva.

This is a travesty all the way around. I don't know anyone involved here but I have seen Mason crucified with gossip and the Media does not help; they are only looking for a juicy story that will sell. For years Media have not been about the bare truths, and checking sources has gone with the wind. Mason needs to have someone to talk to but not media.
Of course he is falling apart with all the unfounded accusations and bullying he is getting on-line and probably in the community. He also lost the love of his life. He's young too; of course he will be falling apart. Young guys are often awkward with words and how they say things and these words are pounced on and dissected in the worst ways. Someone please get Mason to a grief management before there is another tragedy.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 12:59:37 PM
Re:  The shoe:  It is very easy to overlook an item when searching.  In fact in other cases, how often have we heard, gosh we searched that area thoroughly, only to find remains close by months later.  Very often by someone out jogging or walking a dog etc. And  it is very easy to overlook a BLACK SHOE.  It's very colour would blend into the grass and earth.
That is why 2nd and often 3rd searches are done in an area, and even then, items can be missed.

The last person(s) to see Amber were those at Dooley's - not MC. Someone could of easily folowed her from Dooley's.  It would not be first time this scenario has happened in other places.
Personally, I don't feel one way or the other as to "who it might be", and I agree while the focus is to "find Amber", only so much can be done in that respect, other than support the police, and the official volunteer efforts.

In the meantime there are two families in agony. Some posters from PC may not like MC, may never have liked MC, and it is difficult to brush aside their feelings about him.  I recognize that.
These families are innocent, they have done nothing wrong, and deserve support.  There is little value in driving a young man into an emotional state, and creating another Victim.
 He is in a place where he is forced to stay in PC, cannot get away from any of his accusers, and this is tragic in itself. I pity him.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
Well said JB. Kudos!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 01:05:53 PM
Someone had just tried  to post something, and unfortunately it didn't take, as my post somehow stopped the other one from getting through.  This happens from time to time on this site.  it is a glitch, and would have nothing to do with deleting it.
Please post your thoughts again, and I am sorry that my post somehow stopped yours.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 19, 2011, 01:16:37 PM
I wish I knew how to band together and change our legal system to enforce harsher sentences without parole..
It is wrong that when some one takes someone else's life intentionally they only suffer restriction for a few years of their own life. The only parole I believe someone should have who has intentionally taken someone else's life is supervised/guarded work environments where they get work experience, stay busy and benefit society...while serving a maximum sentence.


Easy peasy....

Vote Conservative.

Or Brendan Shannahan.

That opens a whole new can of fish!! ...We need a new political system too..., plus, conservatives are currently dominating parliament hill. What about proportional representation  or better yet, proportional representation by subject or 'bill' so that our taxes proportionally go to the things important to the people of this country-I am done, THIS IS NOT FOR POLITICS!

Surely no matter what Government is in power though, if people make bigger 'stinks', protests, something that cannot be ignored, when specifically murderers are put out on parole with freedoms, eventually the courts would be slower to parole them...??

Ease up and don't skewer me for trying to answer a question as I see it...and then for dropping a little levity into topic.

I note that for someone who states this board isn't for politics you sure go on a political rant, I merely posted an answer to a question.

Nish

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
Well stated JB. Thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: hometowngirl on October 19, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
...I am only posting here to send love and sympathy to both of the families in volved.To the Kirwan family ,,your in my prayers and may you continue to have strenghth.To Masons Mom,your child is in the middle of the light right now and things are tough but stay strong because god is watching over you.I am so sorry that you have to read these comments concerning your songuilty or not guilty,your heart must be broke and I beleive the community is being so unfair to your feelings..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 19, 2011, 01:28:05 PM
Re:  The shoe:  It is very easy to overlook an item when searching.  In fact in other cases, how often have we heard, gosh we searched that area thoroughly, only to find remains close by months later.  Very often by someone out jogging or walking a dog etc. And  it is very easy to overlook a BLACK SHOE.  It's very colour would blend into the grass and earth.
That is why 2nd and often 3rd searches are done in an area, and even then, items can be missed.

Like looking for one needle among needles, and then haystacks. Being thorough is key.

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The last person(s) to see Amber were those at Dooley's - not MC. Someone could of easily folowed her from Dooley's.  It would not be first time this scenario has happened in other places.

Indeed. And without being tarred as someone who is defending the boyfriend, I have to ask, why is this still classified as a missing person's case if folks are so convinced she met with foul play? Or am I just missing some nuances of the process?

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Personally, I don't feel one way or the other as to "who it might be", and I agree while the focus is to "find Amber", only so much can be done in that respect, other than support the police, and the official volunteer efforts.

+1.

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In the meantime there are two families in agony. Some posters from PC may not like MC, may never have liked MC, and it is difficult to brush aside their feelings about him.  I recognize that.
These families are innocent, they have done nothing wrong, and deserve support.  There is little value in driving a young man into an emotional state, and creating another Victim.
 He is in a place where he is forced to stay in PC, cannot get away from any of his accusers, and this is tragic in itself. I pity him.

JB

I feel for the families and recognize that the young man is going through quite a bit. I am completely on the fence about "judging" anyone or anything and would prefer to sit and wait for more "fact". Then again, I've got no dog in this fight so that is easy for me to say. I am certain that there will be plenty of time to tar and feather someone if that is what is called for in this. But right now none of us know.

All in all my thoughts are with, well, everyone who might be involved in this. Families, friends, cops, firemen, searchers, and so on.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
Couldnt have said it better JB, thanks.  Hometowngirl nice to see some one is being rational and looking at the whole big picture.  Hoping today brings some kind of resolution for both familys and friends.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Very good points Nish.  I agree .
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
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Indeed. And without being tarred as someone who is defending the boyfriend, I have to ask, why is this still classified as a missing person's case if folks are so convinced she met with foul play? Or am I just missing some nuances of the process?


This will be classified as a missing person's case unless and until, the police find proof that it is not. It is really irrelevant to the actual investigation if folks are so convinced Amber met with foul play. As in any investigation there has to be proof.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 01:40:51 PM

This will be classified as a missing person's case until the police find proof that it is not. It is really irrelevant to the actual investigation if folks are so convinced Amber met with foul play. As in any investigation there has to be proof.


I wish people could be objective about these situations.  debbiec, it might be pertinent at this time to place a link in this forum in regards to rules of the forum, as some have joined into the conversation without reading them.......
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 19, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
has  anyone looked at the updated article on the disappearance and search....www.pictouadvocate.com
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 01:53:19 PM

Good idea Oryx.

One can read the rules for using this site by going to the front page and clicking on "Please Read The Rules Here".
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 02:04:20 PM
Yes technically she is classified as a missing person, until police have proof otherwise.
We should not  assume that she may have met with foul play. Who knows, she may have run away, or she may be held captive. One thing is certain.  Amber is Missing. Seldom have I ever observed such an intense search for someone who may have run away, being 19 years of age,  nor such repeated and intense  searches in  the woods and waterways for someone who is held captive.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
Yes technically she is classified as a missing person, until police have proof otherwise.
We should not  assume that she may have met with foul play. Who knows, she may have run away, or she may be held captive. One thing is certain.  Amber is Missing. Seldom have I ever observed such an intense search for someone who may have run away, being 19 years of age,  nor such repeated and intense  searches in  the woods and waterways for someone who is held captive.

JB

From what the police have released in the paper, they are following tips......everyone and their dog might have called in tips.  Facebook originated tips at that! I can only imagine how difficult this is for the investigators.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 02:16:22 PM

Good idea Oryx.

One can read the rules for using this site by going to the front page and clicking on "Please Read The Rules Here".

Debbie, since some are very new to the forum I have captured the link as sometimes people only follow one case; they may just have the case url bookmarked. :)

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=18.0
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 02:19:34 PM
Hello. I think of this site as a "support group" of sorts. With new age technology support groups can reach people nationally and globally. I recognize that many members of this site have experienced loss of a loved one through a crime or a missing loved one. My sympathies to you and appreciation for your interest in Amber. Also, some members are SAR or such with various experience in missing persons. Thank you also for your support and expertise. Our humanity and compassion units us all.

Pictou County is actually quite a lovely place and a nice place to raise a family. It is rich in history, the arts, and recreation. People are generally know to be kind, friendly, generous and supportive. (Of course, every town, city, community, has its dark side.)

This community love and support has resulted in much support for Amber's family and the overwhelming efforts to find Amber. BUT, the shock, horror, sadness and devastation of Amber's disappearance has also resulted in some hysteria, rumors and circus type behaviour. (words i have seen used here) I know this has been upsetting to local, national and global followers of Amber's story. Regardless, everyone near and far are united with the same hope that Amber will be found.

Local efforts may sometimes be perceived as inappropriate but it is all done with the best intentions. The silent majority do not support the 'circus'/ 'parade' type events (rudeness and such also) but appreciate and understand the efforts being made to bring awareness to Amber's missing persons story. The silent majority deal with this devastation with more 'quiet' sadness and reverence and more 'respectful' actions and words. (again, words i have seen used here) All  these perceived 'negatives' are born out of sadness and devastation. No one wants Amber to be forgotten or her story to fizzle out. Everyone wants her to be found.

Amber...My best friend taught Amber a couple of years ago. He told me she was a lovely girl. My son was in Amber's graduation class of 2010.  (Northumberland Regional High School) There were about 230 students in the graduation class. My son and several of Amber's high school classmates were at Doolys that Saturday night. It is both shocking and bewildering to her high school classmates that Amber went missing and so many of them were so nearby. I will never forget on Sunday night (Oct 9th) when my son got a text telling him that Amber was missing.
You may be interested to know that at Amber's high school there are no rumors, accusations or gossip circulating, at least not in my friend's classroom or in my child's classrooms. (different child)

Amber is definitely in the thoughts and prayers of many people locally, nationally and globally. Although there has been some arguing and disagreements, we are all united in wanting Amber to be found.  And we all have the greatest sympathy and sadness for her family, friends and loved ones.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 19, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
When emotions run high, it's hard to just be objective. Most of us posting on here are just regular people, we form opinions based on what we hear whether warranted or not, it's all being voiced, the good the bad and the ugly. The community wants action and the alternatives are frightening. The lynch mob mentality doesn't help though, the truth will come out, suspicion has led to warrants and only the evidence will lead to charges. It's being looked after, we don't have to repeat the same accusations over and over, it won't make any difference we all know whats up. 

I did read the latest articles in the local paper along with the older ones too- http://www.pictouadvocate.com/2011/10/19/search-for-kirwan-intensifies/ (http://www.pictouadvocate.com/2011/10/19/search-for-kirwan-intensifies/)

There are sufficient witness to implicate or to exonerate, just have to have patience and let the process complete. Suspicions have been noted about the alibi witness. Do with hold names.

I feel for what the town is going through and empathise with many of the posters sentiments. I thought that Amber would have surfaced by now and that is still the main problem and should be the main focus. One can read between the lines and see what the Police are looking at. If anyone has relevant information about persons of interest, vehicle descriptions, sightings, times, and locations, just make sure it gets to the proper authorities.

Everyone is behind finding her and the truth will eventually come out. A little patience both out there and on here is required at times.  Hopefully the Police will issue an update soon that will put some of the fears to rest.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 02:35:46 PM
BDK:  Thanks for the info on Randy McDonald.   Sorry that my bringing his name up, brought up sad memories....but like you say, the crime against Hazel does sound very much like Amber's disappearance, doesn't it?     I just hope he stays in jail for the whole 19 years....should be life, but that's our Justice System.   

I agree, good post D1.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 02:36:41 PM
Sar commented that I should tread the rules. Thanks for pointing that out, but I had read and re-read the rules. I have been registered on this site for some time...I'm not a newbie. People should read the rules and they should be adhered to. The main point the rules make is that we should be respectful of others. Like the rules say, if you don't like what someone has to say, just avoid them. But please do go about posting your own thoughts.

 When I voice my concerns/opinions on here, please do not try to slight me by being childish or ignorant. Using words like you are "pissed" or telling people to SHUT UP is just childish. It's easy to see who the trouble makers are. Like I said, if you don't like what others say, just ignore them. Meanwhile I will continue to post my opinion as I have the right to do so. It comes down to respect.

 

Truce.

I agree. What I had a problem with is that all the talk how guilty Mason looked and how the teens you know are afraid to speak the truth, etc etc. Mason has not been declared a suspect by police yet, so his name bandied with thoughts of him having harmed Amber puts management at risk of a lawsuit. Whether you heard the teens say it or not, it is still considered heresay until police make a statement. Juicy media stories don't count.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 19, 2011, 02:39:48 PM
Just a head's up, no names can be mentioned here. The owner of the site is liable if parties choose to sue. See rules.
Even Mason's name should not have been mentioned until police state he is a suspect and I don't think they have.

And do not be fooled by this:

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Internet users who post hyperlinks to libellous material posted on other websites cannot be sued for repeating the libel, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled. The Oct. 19 ruling in Crookes v. Newton protects one of the most basic functions of the Internet -- the ability of users to share links to material posted online, even material they have not fully reviewed and they may not agree with. The court recognized that simply posting a link to material that may be libellous is a far cry from publishing or repeating the libel, let alone endorsing what has been said in the linked post ....

From: http://j-source.ca/article/top-court-protects-online-links-libel-claims

It doesn't protect the person initially posting libellous material, just the folks who link to libellous material.

Those who are familiar with HRM Fire's path down the road of suing internet posters would be familiar with the reach of the law there.

The forum I moderate at has been waiting for some time for this decision as we have been threatened with legal action because of what ordinary members were posting. This is a step in the right direction but the steps are not complete. Good reminder and thanks for broaching the issue, SAP.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 19, 2011, 02:41:28 PM
I have been around posting on here for awhile as many others have. I have made assumptions and second guessed situations only to be proven wrong in the end. It's easy to fall into and tough to resist when it looks so clear in one's own mind. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 02:56:05 PM
I have been around posting on here for awhile as many others have. I have made assumptions and second guessed situations only to be proven wrong in the end. It's easy to fall into and tough to resist when it looks so clear in one's own mind. 

Me too. My eyes have been opened these past few days and I hope I can remember what I have taken from these "lessons". :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 02:59:41 PM
Truce here too Sap!

 In the end, we're all just people who care about people. Even though we may not agree with each others ideas or the way things are being said I believe it's just because people are frustrated. This case is a particularly frustrating one and the ramifications of Ambers disappearance are significant. Let's all try to hold it together for each other, for the involved families and for the good folks of Pictou County.

ITA. I understand the frustration and I know it's not easy when this happens in a small community that is so close. The fears that go along with it. I do so hope you all have answers soon of what has happened to Amber. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 03:04:18 PM
from D1:
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When emotions run high, it's hard to just be objective. Most of us posting on here are just regular people, we form opinions based on what we hear whether warranted or not, it's all being voiced, the good the bad and the ugly. The community wants action and the alternatives are frightening. The lynch mob mentality doesn't help though, the truth will come out, suspicion has led to warrants and only the evidence will lead to charges. It's being looked after, we don't have to repeat the same accusations over and over, it won't make any difference we all know whats up. 

Good points D1. It's the accusations and finger pointing that have caused the problems on here. I have said a number of times that in the end it will not matter what anyone thinks. The evidence will speak for itself.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 03:16:16 PM
Wondering if any one has an update on what areas are being searched to day,  as well as what the weather is like in that area for the search.  Let this be the day Amber is found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 03:33:33 PM
jellybean:  Thank you  and  you are very welcome!  I am glad you appreciated my post.  :) 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 19, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
eyeswideopen.....they are still searching in the water..Big Gut Bridge.  The weather for the next 24 hrs looks not favorable.  They are calling for upwards of 30+mm of rain and some wind to go along with it (gusts up to 70 here in Cape Breton) but the wind won't be that on the Mainland....not favorable searching conditions:(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 03:47:22 PM
eyeswideopen: weather for pictou county - rainfall warning... next 24 hours 50+ mm :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
jellybean:  Thank you  and  you are very welcome!  I am glad you appreciated my post.  :) 

I think there are many who have appreciated your post Teachlove. It's so very positive and we need that here. Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 19, 2011, 04:07:50 PM
I hate to be Negative Nancy with all this wonderful positivity going around... but the drive for awareness certainly had a lot of screaming and profanity out of car windows. I want this girl to be found soon!! Of course I am worried about AK foremost, but I am also worried about the emotional state of the community (and especially her family and close friends). I know this has already been discussed but things are so tense.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
I hate to be Negative Nancy with all this wonderful positivity going around... but the drive for awareness certainly had a lot of screaming and profanity out of car windows. I want this girl to be found soon!! Of course I am worried about AK foremost, but I am also worried about the emotional state of the community (and especially her family and close friends).

That screaming and profanity you mention ... at whom was that directed? What were the person's doing, those at whom the screaming was done to?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 04:17:41 PM
thanks teach and kim for the update and weather forcast/
please not quite sure what your saying, are you saying they are jumping and screaming at citizens driving or a certain people in particular.  I am sure the strain is heard on everyone including the reg citizens.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Thanks Please.  Have things settled down then in the town somewhat?  What is your opinon.  Perhaps the nasty weather will keep more of the kids and general public inside.  Sad the weather is so bad for the searchers.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: TruthandReconciliation on October 19, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
 Hello,

 This is my first time posting but I have followed the case very closely from the beginning. To begin, I was in the same year through high school as Amber, but was not close to her. I was at the "club" (it's Dooley's people, it's essentially a billiards hall that transforms into a bar with a dance floor, to keep the local young people entertained)  that night when she went missing. I remember seeing her, and I will  have that image etched into my mind for the rest  my life. I left at 2 am  (though I was out around 1 30 am smoking a cigarette and it was just as busy as it was at 2am and, no, I do not remember anything suspicious occurring at that time in the area of her disappearance). There were many people outside, with taxis and police in the vicinity. My friends and I walked to a house party that is a street up (Alexander Street) from the one where Big Al's is located. I was indeed inebriated. Thanksgiving is an important time for University aged people. This is because many people come home to the county to visit their families. It is very common for these people to want to visit their friends, so naturally on Saturday night (after spending a night with their families) many University attendants, as well as those who stayed in the county, go out and party on that night, as a sort of "reunion". My goal here is to give this forum the perspective of what the night was about, because frankly, I feel that many are not familiarized with young people (not "kids" as some people have been using). It is unfortunate but I feel that the situation that is occurring, such as the ridiculous parade idea, would not be the same if the University attendants did not have to leave the county. If  this demographic of young people were more involved in the response, though this is hard to do when you pay 15,000 a year and have to go off to school throughout the Maritimes or farther, that this whole mess would have been lessened or avoided, and that it would have been  more mature. The first night that she was recorded missing I met with others in a planned search for her. At this time I think nobody had any idea that she might possibly be murdered or abducted. Most of us believed that she may have gotten lost or injured on the way from Dooley's, as she was drinking (to note: I saw her close to the time she left and from my observations she did not look greatly inebriated), and we all genuinely wanted to help. I am most concerned with the well being of Amber and our first priority should be trying to find her, we can figure out the details of her disappearance later. I am not accusing, all I am doing is commenting on facts, though I feel Mr. Campbell is not making a good case for himself. I felt uneasy after he had said that a friend was with him the night she went missing recently, whereas from the first night there was no mention of this friend. Why was this not mentioned earlier? People have said that it was because of the investigation. I find that hard to believe, because why would that have anything to do with the case in the beginning? It was and still is a missing persons case. So what harm would there be saying you were with a friend. If it was because he had been drinking and the other illegality with his car, how would this affect that other person?  However, from the very beginning something seemed out of place. That is all I have to say about that. I feel that it is not warranted to label everybody, such as her friends or people her age as "kids" who are all a "mess". This is not fair. Many of us who are away and some of those who also reside still in the county, are greatly concerned with the happenings that occurred after she went missing (i.e. the "parade" and other things).  I am open to any criticism and opinions about any of my comments, as we live in a free society, where debate and free speech is not only valued but also encouraged. These are just my thoughts, and I hope that she is found soon. I can also try to answer any questions from other about the local area that you may have.

T&R
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
Welcome, and nice interpretation of that weekend...can totally picture it!   I wish the aftermath was as carefree.
 
I am guilty; I have always used the word kids...always, even when referring to my own, and I am very sorry, Truth, but you won't be able to teach this old dog a new trick.  I grew up that way, and I am sorry if it offends you, but it is not intended. 

Did you get to see Amber walking away? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 04:57:55 PM
Thanks for your input Truth much appeciated.  I think the reason, and I know I am guilty of this, that a lot of the posters on here refer to them as kids is because we are older.  I know my oldest daughter is 38 and I guess I am guilty of calling most any one that age and down kids lol I know it has preturned my 23 year old at time so my apologys.  More a slip of the tongue than anything ment.  Hoping things can remain calm and some resolution soon.  I take it you are one who has not had to go away for school and are still in the town?   Takes for a view of the night she went missing.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 04:59:22 PM
Jobo guess we said basically the same thing lol at the same time,  guess it is our age and wavelenght in using the term kids.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 19, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
Truth, thanks for giving us an idea of what it was like that evening. I also am wondering where did Mr. Campbell's friend come from, that was with him that evening. I never heard anything about that before, that another individual was with him. Also, he said he went home and went to bed, when he couldn't find Amber. And now I've noticed that there were other people at his apartment that night. So what is the real story here, it sounds like there are discrepencies in his story. Maybe that is the reason the police are looking at him more closely. It doesn't add up, the story about going home and going to bed. We just have to sit back and wait for more word on Amber's whereabouts.  And we know the searchers will be held up, because there is a heavy rain storm coming of up to 90mm of rain. I send my thoughts and prayers to everyone involved in the search for Amber. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 05:05:15 PM
Thanks for your input Truth much appeciated.  I think the reason, and I know I am guilty of this, that a lot of the posters on here refer to them as kids is because we are older.  I know my oldest daughter is 38 and I guess I am guilty of calling most any one that age and down kids lol I know it has preturned my 23 year old at time so my apologys.  More a slip of the tongue than anything ment.  Hoping things can remain calm and some resolution soon.  I take it you are one who has not had to go away for school and are still in the town?   Takes for a view of the night she went missing.


Bahaha....my mother still calls my friends "kids" and they are in their mid-late thirties. Truth Much Appreciated, try not to take too much offense! :)  I am still young enough to remember 19.......and believe me. You have a world of knowledge and experience coming to you in your twenties! 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: TruthandReconciliation on October 19, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
 
Thank all of you for your kind comments. I am not greatly offended by the term "kids" just the negative connotations that go with it. I completely understand  and believe you that you meant no harm using the term, but I feel that is not the same for everybody. I am grateful that my interpretation of the night has given you insights to the happenings and a holistic view of the situation. I wanted to bring clarity to this forum  and speak up for those who are not in the county at the moment (and thus not seen in the media) . And yes, I am away at university at the moment. I did not see her walking away from the bar that night.

T&R
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 05:19:57 PM
Welcome Truth.

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I am not accusing, all I am doing is commenting on facts, though I feel Mr. Campbell is not making a good case for himself. I felt uneasy after he had said that a friend was with him the night she went missing recently, whereas from the first night there was no mention of this friend. Why was this not mentioned earlier? People have said that it was because of the investigation. I find that hard to believe, because why would that have anything to do with the case in the beginning?

Another poster (post #802)  pointed out and asked if the other person wasn't mentioned because of who his father was. That alone seems to say a lot. So it's possible Mason did tell Police who was with him, however Police have asked him not to report that to media. jmho. If a person has been asked to hold back info when speaking to the media that can be where it may sound as though things are falling apart, imo.

I will try to remember you all as young adults, even though I still call my 28 yo a "kid". :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
TAR, Were there a number of out of towners there?  I don't mean those who returned to the county to see family over the TGD weekend, but those who well, appeared be out of towners?
And thanks for your clear minded and very honest post about that nite at Dooley's

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 05:28:19 PM
quoted from Truth&Reconciliation : "It is unfortunate but I feel that the situation that is occurring, such as the ridiculous parade idea, would not be the same if the University attendants did not have to leave the county. If  this demographic of young people were more involved in the response, though this is hard to do when you pay 15,000 a year and have to go off to school throughout the Maritimes or farther, that this whole mess would have been lessened or avoided, and that it would have been  more mature."

Truth&Reconciliation: As I stated in an earlier post, my son was also a schoolmate of Amber's, and also at Dooley's that night. He  is one of the University Students that had to leave pictou county and go back to University Monday.  I have wondered the same...if they/you (some of who were/are remarkable and experienced leaders) could have offered more 'mature' responses/ideas. Many of Amber's high school schoolmates are immersed in their university studies and unable to offer insight/input. Recognizing however, that many of the efforts and responses have been very good, they are not all inappropriate, such as the 'ridiculous parade idea'.  But I think I know what you are saying.  :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
Truth& Reconciliation; Did you notice any out of towners that night at Dooley's - not counting those from University who came home for friends and family?
Did you notice anyone staring at Amber for any length of time?

Perhaps I shouldn't be even asking these questions.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: TruthandReconciliation on October 19, 2011, 05:42:49 PM

JB,

 It is hard to say from looking at somebody and being able to tell if they are "out-of-towners." Nonetheless, I understand your question. To be honest, I am not sure. I do not live in New Glasgow, thus am not as knowledgeable about who resides there or not. Especially for those bar patrons that were older than I am. As well, I do not go to Dooley's that often compared to the Pubs/Clubs that are available in the area of my university. It was dark, crowded, I was drinking, and I was paying more attention to my friends at that moment. I only saw Amber for a moment, so I did not notice anybody looking at her. You are more than welcome for my post about that night and am pleased that it is adding to peoples understanding of that night. I appreciate you questions as well. The more clearer I can make the night the better. @teachlove Thank you for that comment and I am happy that others feel the way that I do about the situation. You hit the nail on the head with your post.

T&R
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
T&R.  I can picture it, almost touch the scene, and hear the loud voices, etc. People spillng out onto the streets, etc., Taxi's and even cop cars.

She could have easily been followed by someone in a car and no one would have noticed, or heard anything what with all of the noise.

Just tossing out a possibility there. (Except for the cop cars). Who in their right mind would abduct someone around cop cars? Even if the perp abducted her further up the street. Unless they caught in her a dark area, and no cop cars around? Is that possible?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
I'm with you JB, they would have had to have alot of nerve to even think about it with that many people around. Doesn't make any sense to me and never has to be abducted within 2 minutes of leaving Dooly's. Still don't think thats what happened. JMO
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 06:13:58 PM
She may have been offered a ride home, and willingly got into a car. She may have been tired and just wanted to go home with the thought of using her cell phone at home and letting MC know that she found another way home. Perhaps she didn't want to stand outside of Big Al's and wait for him. (unkowing if he was there waiting for her or not). Why refuse a sure ride home, as opposed to standing in a parking lot waiting for her bf to pick her up?

Just throwing that thought out there.

JB
PS; where was that shoe found again?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 19, 2011, 06:22:05 PM
From a previous Post:
Another poster (post #802)  pointed out and asked if the other person wasn't mentioned because of who his father was. That alone seems to say a lot. So it's possible Mason did tell Police who was with him, however Police have asked him not to report that to media. jmho. If a person has been asked to hold back info when speaking to the media that can be where it may sound as though things are falling apart, imo.
I will try to remember you all as young adults, even though I still call my 28 yo a "kid". :)
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Another possibility could be that MC did not mention his friend being with him to the police because maybe the friend was on probation or had a curfew which ...would mean he would have sold out his friend if that was the case. Not a fact, just a thought.
Schooner
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 06:35:48 PM
That is a good thought Schooner.
Here we have an unspoken elephant in the room.  If MC was such a "bad dude" with "bad friends", why on earth would Amber have anything to do wih him? And why on earth would her parents support him in all of this?
By all accounts Amber was a good person, graduated and went on for further training,and held down a part time job, I believe. A somewhat serious girl. Surely her parents would have had some influence in her choice, if they felt that he was "not for her"
I am tryng to look at other possible scenarios as to her missing, until she is found.
The fact that it was Thanksgiving and an unusually large crowd, can include someone within it, with plans for Amber.


JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
She might have arrived at Big Al's first saw that the car wasn't there waiting for her,  kept on walking and was offered a ride home. And he arrived a few minutes later.

Just throwing that one out there as well.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 06:54:27 PM
From a previous Post:
Another poster (post #802)  pointed out and asked if the other person wasn't mentioned because of who his father was. That alone seems to say a lot. So it's possible Mason did tell Police who was with him, however Police have asked him not to report that to media. jmho. If a person has been asked to hold back info when speaking to the media that can be where it may sound as though things are falling apart, imo.
I will try to remember you all as young adults, even though I still call my 28 yo a "kid". :)


Another possibility could be that MC did not mention his friend being with him to the police because maybe the friend was on probation or had a curfew which ...would mean he would have sold out his friend if that was the case. Not a fact, just a thought.
Schooner
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Exactly. Or was the dad of the other young adult a known drug dealer ... many questions, few answers. I just hope it's not the case of  the wrong person going to jail for a crime he didn't commit to save face for some "upper crust". That happens too when people don't tell police the whole truth.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
The shoe is now niggling me.   Is it fact that it was found between Dooley's and Big Al's?  And fact that it is Amber's?  (that might sound like a silly question, but lots of young females have the same taste in shoes).   
I would love to know if these are facts or not, I am confused at this point...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 07:07:48 PM
Jobo to my Knowledge the police have never released if the shoe found was hers or not.  A lot of young people partying that night any one could have lost the shoe.  just my opinion
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 07:12:54 PM
Where was this shoe found?  Someone answered this question previously, way back, but I can't find it. I think I recall where it was found, but I don't want to say in case I am wrong, and then the wrong information turns into fact.

The shoe was not found at Big Al's and it was not found at Dooley's. And it was found in New Glasgow.  I'll try and find the post as to where it was found.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Maureen on October 19, 2011, 07:14:46 PM
I think some people think the friend in the car is a male....is it possible the person was female and when Amber saw this she got upset and started walking on her own and was picked up by someone else.... it is also possible that the person in the car whose family is one of the elite from the community and the family doesn't want their name involved in this....there are so many possibilities that a person could go crazy trying to understand it all....It just bothers me that according to an earlier post, the police asked MC not to say who was in the car with him....WHY NOT....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: TruthandReconciliation on October 19, 2011, 07:18:55 PM
 
  JB,

   You make an excellent point. The area beyond Big Al's is far more "dangerous" looking and it is around the bend in the hill (and road) thus, the abduction could have occurred in that area. It would have been impossible for the RCMP to have seen that area if they were stationed at Dooley's. However, I do remember cars (especially taxis) heading in that direction. After the store, there is it's small parking lot. There are tracks 30 feet away on the same side as the store. It runs parallel to the store and the road as well until it veers to the left away from the road and goes into the trees. It was the focus of the search the first night (however myself and others looked along the Samson Trail along the river).  After Big Al's on the right is a wooded area (that is at least .5 of a km long). It is important to note that there is an area of grass, that runs between the road and the woods. The road runs along the contours of a hill on the right (following the road from Dooley's). Which is a residential area but is covered with trees. There are some streets that run up the hill across from the store. It is almost impossible to see the road from the houses, (except possibly the houses that are on the bottom street) because the canopy from the trees that are on the hill observe the view (I know this from the house party I attended). The area is well lit near the store, and there are street lights that go up the road. It is hard to describe the area through text but I hope you get the idea.  I do not remember seeing many (if any) people leave in that direction in which the shoe was supposedly found. Walking in that direction makes no sense (unless you were to get picked up at Big Al's). It is in the opposite direction of the down town (i.e. away from any banks to get money for taxis, any waiting taxis, any pizza joints and the like to get warm food, though you can get food at Big Al's but nobody would go there after partying to get food, away from the more "safe" areas.) That is why I believe none of her friends went with her.

T&R
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 19, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
My thinking has always been that Amber did walk past Big Al's......my opinion only.

About the shoe, that is the problem, we need to find out what is really the Truth.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
T&R. Thank you. Wherever the shoe was found, if it is hers, is probably where she was abducted. MC would not have abducted her, not his girlfriend when he was due to meet her anyway, and she would have hopped into his car with the shoes on her feet.
See what I mean?

JB
ps the shoe found, I believe has been sent to forensics.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 07:40:52 PM
What time of night does Big Al's close. I would imagine it was closed by 11 pm. Anyone know??
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: concernedanon on October 19, 2011, 07:42:06 PM
ONE THOUGH I WILL HAND ON TO............DO YOU REALLY AND TRULY THINK THAT AMBER WOULD HAVE LIVED WITH, AND CONTINUED TO STAY WITH SOME ONE SHE THOUGHT MIGHT HARM HER.  Of course not so lets all stop being the judge and jury and let the police solve this and find her.

THIS IS STARTING TO SOUND LIKE TH JUDGE JUDY SHOW.

I know that this post was made about 8 pages back, but I am just catching up now and this statement really bothers me!

If you really believe that someone would not stay with a person who they believed might harm them, you need to do some major research of violence against women.

As someone who has been in a very abusive relationship for 4 years (which luckily I am no longer in), I can promise you that this happens. For the last year of my relationship I was terrified of my boyfriend. I recieved numerous threats from him, stating that if I ever tried to leave him he would kill me, members of my family, and even friends and aquintances he hardly knew. Nobody (and i mean NOBODY) had any idea that any of this was going on, and for fear of him I never even hinted to anyone that it was. To the outside world, we were a wonderful young couple who seemed to love each other very much. Lucky for me, one day a friend of his walked in and witnessed some of the abuse before my boyfriend even realized he was there. This friend of his then managed to pull me aside every chance he had and remind me that he knew what was happening and to tell me that I had to get out of the situation asap... he gave me the courage to leave, move far away, and speak up to my family and close friends and tell them what i had gone through. They were shocked. I am the last person they ever would have thought would get into that situation.

After alot of counselling and group support, I realize that this situation happens much more often than anyone would like to think. It happens to people you would never think it would happen to. As much as you would like to believe you can, you cant see it from the outside looking in! That perfect relationship you see may be a living nightmare.

So YES.. somebody can very well live with and continue to stay with someone who they KNOW may harm them.

EDIT: Please understand that I am not saying this is true in Ambers case, or that MC is one of these abusiv men. Just stating that this happens everyday. It just really bothers me when people are naive to the reality of violence and abuse.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: google on October 19, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
If she walked by Big Al's, wouldn't she have been on the surveillance video?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
For those wondering about Donations.

Mariea Leil-Bowser


For those of you have been questioning why money is being raised for the Kirwan family here is why: The money that has been raised so far may be enough to help support them for a few weeks, but until we know how long this will last, every last penny people are willing to give is helping the family focus their attention where it needs to be... on their missing daughter. There isn't always going to be the attention given to this crises as there is right now, and for all we know and I pray to God that Amber is found as I am typing this message, they could be still searching 6 months from now. Amber's family is suffering enough, the most we can do is try to ease the pain by supporting them while they try to bring her home. The Kirwan’s are aware of how much money is in the TD Trust account for them and personally I feel they are the only people that need to know this! Some people have said, well the Kirwan’s have not asked for donations…why should they have to!! We as a community should be working together to help them without them having to ask, asking for financial help which I know they would never do should be the least of their worries that is why we are doing this! Well that’s what myself as well as 100’s of other people are trying to do. We have had 1000’s of posters donated by Eastern Sign Print, the Advocate, Home Hardware and several people who wanted to donate to help, some supplies, ribbon, food , etc and we couldn’t have got the word out there about Amber missing without all that help!! We still need to buy items for volunteer center such as boxes, pay for shipping posters to people out of Pictou County who contact us at the center and ask us to send them, etc. Myself and one other lady are in charge of all the money that comes in through donations and a total of $50.00 has been spent on such items with receipts provided. The rest of the things we needed example gas for getting posters out as far as Truro, Halifax and Antigonish, food when not donated, boxes, ribbon we paid for out of our own pockets. Mason has not taken one cent of the money and does not want any of it and he wants it all to go to the family. Any of the donation boxes with ribbons that you see around Pictou County have been placed in businesses that contacted us and asked us to put them there as they want to help. I wasn’t going to comment on any of this but I am tired of hearing rumours and accusations and people questioning why there is money being raised for the family. I can’t even begin to imagine what I would do if one of my children went missing and I hope I never have to. I would pray that the community would be as supportive as they have been in finding Amber. My life would come to a stop because I would not be able to think of anything except for finding my child. As for posters being on every other pole, that is why I was asked to organize the center so that places weren’t repeated and no place was missed. When posters first went up before I was at the centre trying to organize locations,, people were putting them anywhere and everywhere so that Ambers photo was out there! I am VERY grateful for the people who have come in and asked for posters who range from ages 9 to 79 wanting to do anything to help find her and for all the free airtime CKEC has given us. Unless you have had a child that has gone missing, I don’t think anyone on this planet could ever say I know how you feel to Marj, Donnie, Liam, Mason and the rest of her family and friends. I have only met Amber twice for a total of maybe 20 minutes yet I will do whatever I can to help them. Myself as well as many others are doing this 16 hours a day and I have been there every day since last Tuesday because I want to ….today was the only day I was not there because I had to work yet I still checked on the girls after work. The center is open 9-9 so if anyone wants to help with ribbons or are asking for flyers we have a place for them to go….We still get people in every day saying they are going out of town or there are no posters up where they live…I am floored with the negativity that I am hearing from some people when there is a child missing…I think everyone should be pulling together so that she is found!! All I know is as long as the Kirwan’s want help…I will be there as much as I can trying to help them find Amber!!!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 07:49:18 PM
concernedamon yes I do know all about abuse and know that it continues to happen. I guess I just figured that the very young as in 19 would not put up with any of that expecially with lots of friends and family around .  At that age they can nearly always go home if things don't work out.  Most people though that are in that type situations are not allowed to go out on their own with their girl friends wouldn't you think.  you may well be right.  But at this point I don't want to speculate and till she is found and the police say what they have to say.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 07:50:03 PM
Thank you very much for your post Mariea Leil-Bowser. Your post should let any doubters put to rest.  Glad that you have a trust account set up for the family. Overjoyed to learn that MC has not been dipping into the fund to buy himself cigarettes, as has been claimed.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
And God Bless you for stepping in and setting the record straight.
Jellybean
 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: TruthandReconciliation on October 19, 2011, 07:53:09 PM

  I believe that Big Al's is open 24 hours. It is true that she would have been seen on the camera, though she was not (reported in media sources). I forgot this point. Is there any way she took an alternative route? Yes, but I don't think that's a possibility, as it would be highly impractical. Is there a chance that she wasn't seen on the camera due to lighting? Perhaps, but it is only a small possibility.

 T&R
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 19, 2011, 07:55:17 PM
oxry glad for your post.  I know there has been a lot of posts on here from people in your community with gossip about the donations etc.  Glade that you cleared it up the MC was not dipping into the money as some of the posters said on here.  Happy that things are organized and being taken care of.  I know how important fundraising can be when someone is missing.  My hat is off to you for your time and effort.  We in all provinces are praying she is found and hopefully safe.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
T&R would the camera extend out onto the street? or just the front part of the convenient store? Most camera's just cover the front part of a store, especially the doorway.

I thought the shoe was found between Dooley's and Big Al's.  If I am wrong - please, please correct this statement.

Thanks

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 19, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
Big Al's closes at 11pm. Just to clarify :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
Mariea I agree the family should have total support from the community. They must be going through hell. I hope she comes home safe but until she does they cannot work and continue on as usual.  I think the only complaint is the fact of the donation boxes that someone was taking money from them and sending people for cigarettes. You always here of these isolated things happening so it bothers some people who will do without to make that donation. I think you should continue and keep this in the news as much as possible. I have heard nothing on national news from cbc to ctv. You need to keep it out there until this girl is found. Alot of people have not even heard of this case. I had a sales rep in today from NS and she had not heard about it.
If you can get it national you may get more donations and if she has been abducted maybe she could be in another province. Until she is found anything is a possibility. JMO
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 08:04:33 PM
Holly I thought so. I would imagine their camera is inside not outside. I thought someone said MC was on camera at Big Al's but she was not. I guess until we know where the camera is we can only guess.
I thought all Needs closes at 11 pm
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:05:47 PM
It is very frustrating reading posts from those who like to spread rumors or have ulterior motives.....

This was re-posted on my FB wall this evening, and I thought it should be passed along. Mariea Leil-Bowser has spear-headed the efforts in helping locate Amber from the get-go.  I trust this lady implicitly, and thought it only fair that others can read how wonderful the people of Pictou County are to those in need.  My son has received so much love and affection from the patrons of this county.  He has needs that require inordinate amounts in health care costs a year.  If it were not for the generosity displayed by complete strangers, and those who see fit to help, we would not have been able to take care of those pertinent needs. 

God bless the wonderful people in this county for all they do to help, and god bless Amber Kirwan and her beautiful friends and family who are suffering something no person should ever have to bare.

Mariea I agree the family should have total support from the community. They must be going through hell. I hope she comes home safe but until she does they cannot work and continue on as usual.  I think the only complaint is the fact of the donation boxes that someone was taking money from them and sending people for cigarettes. You always here of these isolated things happening so it bothers some people who will do without to make that donation. I think you should continue and keep this in the news as much as possible. I have heard nothing on national news from cbc to ctv. You need to keep it out there until this girl is found. Alot of people have not even heard of this case. I had a sales rep in today from NS and she had not heard about it.
If you can get it national you may get more donations and if she has been abducted maybe she could be in another province. Until she is found anything is a possibility. JMO


I am not Mariea....btw....:) This was just what was passed onto me this evening.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 19, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
Someone posted before a great theory. The walk from Dooly's to Big Al's is a 3.5 min walk. The drive from MC and AK's apartment is stated to be an 8 minute drive. If they both left at the same time, then Amber would have gotten there 5 mins before he would have. She most likely walked on the sidewalk side under the street lights which would mean she would not have appeared on Big Als cameras. If she kept walking towards Trenton to meet him on his way to get her (the direction he would be driving from) then that would leave a very large, dark area where anything could happen.

 
Holly I thought so. I would imagine their camera is inside not outside. I thought someone said MC was on camera at Big Al's but she was not. I guess until we know where the camera is we can only guess.
I thought all Needs closes at 11 pm
Pretty sure there is a parking lot camera but it wouldn't see her walking on the oppostie side of the street. I would assume thats the camera that saw him arrive.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 19, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
So are the donations going to Mason's healthcare costs??
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 19, 2011, 08:10:16 PM
Holly I thought so. I would imagine their camera is inside not outside. I thought someone said MC was on camera at Big Al's but she was not. I guess until we know where the camera is we can only guess.
I thought all Needs closes at 11 pm

Big Al's is not owned by needs (doesn't really matter though LOL). He used to be opened until midnight but it just recently changed to 11pm. I do know for a fact that there are two cameras at Al's on the outside of the building. One faces the street on an angle and one faces the side parking lot next to the tracks. Not sure if they both work, but they are there I have seen them myself. Hope this was clear, not sure if I described it well.:|
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:12:17 PM
Jay.....

Neither of my son's are named Mason, and just to clarify one is 3 and the other is 4 and a half years old.....:) I have no qualms about expressing that upfront. One of my children was born with Spina Bifida and Hydrocephalus, and we continue to hold fundraisers to cover the costs of his braces and wheelchair.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:19:47 PM
Vanished.....At that hour of the night, maybe her boyfriend had thought she'd gone to her parents or a friends.....how do we know for a fact when this was "reported" btw?

I do not remember any mention of an exact time, etc. reported in any media source (I could be wrong, in which case could someone show me the article?). :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Jay on October 19, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
Jay.....

Neither of my son's are named Mason, and just to clarify one is 3 and the other is 4 and a half years old.....:) I have no qualms about expressing that upfront. One of my children was born with Spina Bifida and Hydrocephalus, and we continue to hold fundraisers to cover the costs of his braces and wheelchair.

Gosh, i totally misread that!! I'm so sorry! Glad the fundraisers were able to help your son and your family :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Gosh, i totally misread that!! I'm so sorry! Glad the fundraisers were able to help your son and your family :)

That is OK! I was thinking you must have!  :)
My son is very proud of his new "ride".  The braces have helped give him the strength to stand with confidence.  I'd like to believe that Pictou County has many more wonderful people in it, than naysayers! :)  Sometimes' it is good not to let a few rotten apples destroy the bunch.  Maybe if more people saw the miracles in life, they wouldn't be so quick to think negatively.  It took one small miracle to show me that! :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
We too as a community in our Province in Alberta, also donate our time, effort and money to raising funds for children with special needs.  i see what you mean Oryx.  I am hoping that the day will come, when a child with special needs will receive all of the special care and equipment by our Governments without fund raising. Seems to me that the County of Pictou are very specail people indeed.  I would be proud to be a citizen of it, or even to say that I came from there.
I am glad that some citizens are speaking up for the community and setting the record straight.
Prior to these positive comments, I was wondering if we were even talking about a community in Canada. - no kidding.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
JB

You are not getting a very good representative sample of the kindness in our neighborhood, nor province for that matter.  I wish everyone could experience what I have in the past year.  The love of this community broke a lot of the anger I had in my heart.....and I grew up here! It is so nice to finally be able to look around, and be overwhelmed by that sort of love.  It tells me there is something bigger than all of us in motion, and when we work together anything can happen! :)

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
Oryx, without saying too much about myself, I have experienced it, just in another province. It was Saskatchewan.
Yes, there are beautiful souls out there, and thank god for them. :)

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:34:59 PM
I believe its been said that he went home to bed and began searching the next day. If it was my girlfriend that didn't show up and i thought she went to her parents/friends house at 130 in the morning i would walk/ crawl  run or jog to make dam sure thats where she was.Iwould not go home to bed!   

Once again....where is this quoted by a media source? :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
Vanished.  There is always a first time when a girlfriend stays overnite in town with her freinds.  As he said, I wasn't prepared for this!! See news video. Unfortunately, it is somewhere at the very beginning of this thread.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 19, 2011, 08:37:30 PM
Vanished. I believe that he did not just go home and go straight to bed. According to other posts there were still people waiting at the house when he got home. So I would imagine he went through the whole scenario with them. Remember that he is not going to offer up everything he did in a 30 second news clip. The police have that information and they will not just tell the public what he did alnight so that nobody suspects him. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 08:40:20 PM
People are generally know to be kind, friendly, generous and supportive.
I am quoting myself here (referring to Pictou County people)  because you are now seeing some information that supports my statement. Thanks Oryx! Pictou County is known for this. I think we might be some of the most generous and supportive in Canada and I think we are also know for our volunteerism. You know how there are stats for all these things but I am hoping you will take our word for it so I don't have to search for the numbers.  :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 08:40:43 PM
Oryx I realize that you reposted it but please do pass on what I had to say because the rest of Canada knows very little of this case.  She could have been abducted and it should be spread across the provinces just in case she is in some other place than NS.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
And as for taking his car to check out, and his/her apartment.  This is standard procedure.  It happens all of the time.
Not just to rule him in, but also to rule him out.I do not know this family, nor Amber nor Mason.  I am looking at other possibilities.
As I said, the crowd at Dooley's that nite appears to be somewhat unusual, in that many people were home for the holdiays. Sounds to me like the place was very crowded.  Who knows who was there and had observed her all evening.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
sad333 I am sorry I must have missed something?  What did I re post? If you need to private message me you can, but I am completely clueless at this point at what I did wrong? :(


Well we do no he wasen't searching at 130 in the morning so what was he doing

It's certainly not for me to judge what the bf was doing at that hour of the day.  He is not a suspect, nor has he been charged with anything, therefore until he is, only the police and then, maybe a judge and jury can decide if this is relevant......
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 08:51:38 PM
Oryx I realize  you copied and posted it and I just asked you to pass on what I had to say. What kind of wheelchair does your child use. Is it a Quickie?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 08:54:58 PM
Oryx I realize  you copied and posted it and I just asked you to pass on what I had to say. What kind of wheelchair does your child use. Is it a Quickie?

I can see about doing so. 

 ;D His wheel chair moves fast, one might say it "zips" along on it's "Wheels".
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 08:55:04 PM
I believe its been said that he went home to bed and began searching the next day. If it was my girlfriend that didn't show up and i thought she went to her parents/friends house at 130 in the morning i would walk/ crawl  run or jog to make dam sure thats where she was.Iwould not go home to bed!   

Once again....where is this quoted by a media source? :)

Gonna have to agree with you on that one.  I have been following CTV & CBC News, plus The News (NG local paper) and I have never read that he went home and went to bed.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 09:00:47 PM
I'm sure it does oryx. I sell wheelchairs for a living.  Must say you still sound like you have bitterness somewhere in your heart. There are posts on here saying he was called to meet Amber at 1:30. What happened after that we don't know.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 09:07:10 PM
I'm sure it does oryx. I sell wheelchairs for a living.  Must say you still sound like you have bitterness somewhere in your heart. There are posts on here saying he was called to meet Amber at 1:30. What happened after that we don't know.

I guess that is your perception, and not mine.

Added:

I did not ask anything about the bf.......why is that portion directed at me? :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 09:10:12 PM
I think all of us  are beginning to sort the wheat from the chaff.  Finally. Clearing up rumours at least, and in my mind we are all making some headway. Sure would like to know
1. Where was the shoe found.
2. The camera's at big Al's, do they show the street? (sidewalk) - or just the front of his store. I believe someone said that there is also a camera in the parking lot, which is beside the building. Just asking, but is Big Al's right up to the sidewalk? No front parking?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 19, 2011, 09:13:23 PM
small amount of front parking. about 20 feet feet from the street maybe? There is no sidewalk on that side of the street, only on the opposite side.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Across from the Elk's Club is where the shoe was found, I believe.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 19, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
Yes nates that is where the pic in the paper was taken. One of the cameras in the parking lot does point at the street. I'm not sure if it would show something all the way across to the other side or not. But it does point in that direction from the corner of the building that is farthest away from Dooley's.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Amber-Kirwan-Missing-Oct911/205367786203259?sk=wall&filter=1

This is the Official FB webpage moderated by the girls friends and family with official updates, no hearsay, no rumors, if those on the page would like to share their support for Amber and her loved ones.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 09:28:52 PM
Across from the Elk's Club is where the shoe was found, I believe.
is that between dooly's n al's

Yes, you are correct.  Not sure of the cameras there, though.  I was in there once with my brother years ago.  We hadn't stayed long as I am a female. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 09:30:08 PM
So the Elk's Club is across the street from Big Al's? Directly across the street?
Put your thinking caps on, why would you walk on that street where the Elk's Club is?  Better lighting? It has a sidewalk, and the street leading up to Big Al's does not?
Oops I think I misread.  So the Elk's Club is on the same side of the street as Big Al's. And the Elk's Club is between Dooley's and Big Al's.  Am I right?
I am trying to picture where the shoe was found. Now it is across from the Elk's club. Would that be on the same side of the street that Big Al's is on?
Help! :)
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 09:34:10 PM
Oryx, thank you for this post of Mariea Leil-Bowser. Like I thought, Mason was not dipping into the fund money.
Mariea should not have had to explain herself like she did, with as little time she has since she puts in 16 hour days volunteering, as well as work.
This is not new though, people complaining and asking where donations have gone, will go. I have seen it in other cases across the country.
Mariea is so right, it's no one's business.


OK someone is asking where was Mason at 1:30. When Amber didn't meet him, perhaps he went back home since he had some friends there? There is an article which states that he tried to call the friend whose cell Amber used, as well as texted her at 2:30. Sounds like he was concerned enough to call the last number Amber contacted him from. Then when no one answered, he may have thought that Amber stayed the night with the friend and by morning realizing something was not quite right.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: RJ on October 19, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
I've been thinking long and hard about this. Indulge me in this scenario, please?

So it's 1:30 a.m. - Amber walks off. She's cold, she's tipsy, her feet hurt, and when she gets to Big Al's, Mason's not there. Maybe he's often a little late or something, so she decides to walk on. He said they'd had this arrangement in the past, right? She figures she'll meet up with him in a few minutes. She stays on the other side of the street, maybe Big Al's cameras don't go quite that far, or maybe a couple cabs happened to pass by at the same time she might've been captured for an instant.

Only he knows it's Thanksgiving, knows he shouldn't be driving, so he decides to avoid the areas the police are known to be, and takes High Street, figuring he'll cut down along one of the side streets before Big Al's. They miss each other entirely.

So the boyfriend pulls into Big Al's for a minute or two, knows he's a little later than expected (hey, he took the back streets, takes a little more time). Maybe he pulls ahead to the legion parking lot to see if he can see her up the street. She's not there either. He texts her friend's cell, doesn't get an instant response, figures they're having another drink. Maybe he sees the cops and decides to drive his friend home and get away from the police.

By this time, Amber's over by the graveyard, an area that's always personally creeped me out because it's so dark. Maybe someone pulls over then. Maybe she knows who it is and gets in - what if it was someone from the party, he tells her he was sent to get her because the boyfriend was drunk, or perhaps someone who had a crush or something on her and wanted a shot to press his case. Maybe she doesn't know the driver, and no one's around to hear her scream. Maybe someone overheard her plans to walk, slipped something into her drink and she's feeling the effects by then?

There's a lot of possibilities here. I can envision that scenario very easily. I, personally, don't think it was a stranger abduction; I also don't think it's the boyfriend, because I can't imagine her family and friends being so supportive of him if they thought for even a second it was.

I don't think the boyfriend is getting a fair shake. He doesn't know how to handle this, and people are picking him apart for trying to be honest. I don't think it's fair to blame the media, either, at least not the local ones. Look at the Evening News, they haven't been printing every rumor the way the tv has, they've been pretty darn fair, I think. Heck, one of the cbc clips practically has the boyfriend tried and convicted.

Yes, it's hard to put the areas they're searching out of your mind - I drove down that way recently and it tugged at my heart when I saw the couple's name on their mailbox, and it really IS right there where they're searching - closer distance than the 3.5 min walk from Dooly's to Big Al's. I won't speculate why that's where they're searching, but I'm sure there are different scenarios you could dream up to make that work with any scenario, too.

Someone told me the other day that the water under the Big Gut Bridge has a wicked undercurrent, which I hadn't realized - looked pretty shallow to me. :( Either way, I hope that they find her soon, because I am concerned that this frenzy can't go on much longer. Every one of us - teens, adults, even kids - are exhausted by the emotional toll this is taking. I see one of the churches has stepped up to plan a service; I think it's about time. I think the entire community is a little afraid to step up and say no, stop this, now, because no one wants to be the cruel person who takes hope away from someone or takes away the busy work being done that's keeping everyone distracted. Because that is what's happening, as they get more and more desperate, they're coming up with wilder ideas (parade), and no one's sitting them down and saying stop this, now.

I'm beginning to wonder, though, what will happen if they don't find her soon. We all know that sometimes it can take years. This community can't take that right now, everyone is so invested in the situation and waiting for it to come to a head. These desperate events are going to have to stop, and eventually, the volunteer group are going to have to go back to their lives and not occupy a rec centre for 12 hours a day. Life is going to have to move on, but no one wants to admit that yet, and it's concerning me a lot.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 09:37:04 PM
Please allow me to offer my perspective on the fact that Amber was last seen at 1:30am and was not reported missing until later the next day. (Sunday...Thanksgiving)
I used this as a teaching opportunity for all my children!  (i realize Amber's situation is a bit different since living with her bf and not parents)

My son was also out that night. He met a group of friends at a friends house for a few drinks and then they went to Dooley's. After he left Dooley's he and some friends took a taxi to a friends house where they stayed the night. Then the next morning they had drives to each of their homes. (They have done this before. No one drinks and drives. Parents are happy.) I know the plan and get a text if there is a change in plans. The next day he arrived home late morning or early afternoon.

As a parent I am expecting him to arrive home by about noon. Sometimes it's a bit earlier and sometimes it's a bit later. Sometimes I text to see if I have to do a pick up.
So, my son arrived home BUT...IF he had not arrived home by noon I would be watching the clock and then call or text him to check on his ride. And then, as it got later I would start calling friends and then more friends and as time goes by that is when you would start to panic a little. I hope you get an understanding of what I am trying to say.

At 1:20pm one of Amber's friends posted on facebook, "Happy Turkey Day" she had no idea Amber was missing yet.
Then at 2:00pm same friend posted, "Anybody see Amber Kirwan?" (full name cause there are a few Amber's)
Then at 3:40pm she posted, "...Amber Kirwan where are you!?!? Has ANYONE seen or heard from Amber! She is currently MISSING since dooleys last night!!! "
At 6:52pm the same post is made and then at 6:52pm the post again with the addition of "...please let me or (bf name here) know any information about her."
My son got a text later that night, maybe 8 or 9 saying Amber was missing.
Makes you feel sick to your stomach doesn't it!?

So, the big discussion we had was how important it is for parents and friends to know your plans and don't just assume your friend went with someone else or whatever. It is all very scary, sad and upsetting but in some cases it could very well be that someone is not missed until the next day. Amber's case is a bit different but I hope you understand the point i am trying to make. Thanks for listening.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 19, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
Please allow me to offer my perspective on the fact that Amber was last seen at 1:30am and was not reported missing until later the next day. (Sunday...Thanksgiving)

Not so....a friend posted that Amber was missing on my wall at 10am Sunday morning.

So the Elk's Club is across the street from Big Al's? Directly across the street?
Put your thinking caps on, why would you walk on that street where the Elk's Club is?  Better lighting? It has a sidewalk, and the street leading up to Big Al's does not?

JB

I wish I could make a diagram......

Dooley's is located on Archimedes Street (which turns into Trenton Rd).......as you go through a four way stop just after Dooley's (one way street, sidewalk on the left hand side of the street) The Elk's club is just across from the old Spears Boarding House on the RIGHT side of the street.  As you turn the corner there is a Y in the road, Elks remains on the left side of the Y heading back towards downtown NG, while the sidewalk follows the right side of this Y.......

There is a portion of the intersection that meets a sidewalk area, and there is a sidewalk on the left hand side of the street heading towards Trenton, but ends just after Big Al's.  Before Big Al's there is a used clothing store, a very large parking lot, then directly across from the Elk's club on the left side of this road are a house and the Cadet Hall (?).  On the right hand side of the street across from the Used clothing store are apartments, and huge parking lot.....there should be a better representation of this on Google maps....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 19, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
So the Elk's Club is across the street from Big Al's? Directly across the street?
Put your thinking caps on, why would you walk on that street where the Elk's Club is?  Better lighting? It has a sidewalk, and the street leading up to Big Al's does not?
Oops I think I misread.  So the Elk's Club is on the same side of the street as Big Al's. And the Elk's Club is between Dooley's and Big Al's.  Am I right?
I am trying to picture where the shoe was found. Now it is across from the Elk's club. Would that be on the same side of the street that Big Al's is on?
Help! :)
JB

When you are walking from Dooley's to Big Al's the Elk's Club is to your left.  Walk approximately 4 minutes more and you cross the road to get to Big Al's.  There's a little island thingy there too before you get to Big Als where you can cross the street, or just walk a little past Big Al's to the pedestrian crossing to cross the street there.  Google map it!  (use street view and you'll see what I mean)
,
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 09:49:54 PM
Stupid question. why are they searching water for a girl who is missing from a down town area?? The RCMP team is a find team not looking for a live person. I guess they got tips for that area.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 09:52:25 PM
Here are all the facts I have seen or read through the media

Amber Kirwan is missing
She was to meet her bf at Big Al's walking from Dooly's
She was never seen again after leaving Dooly's
It is out of her character to not let her bf or family know where she is
Police and SAR searched starting at Dooly's and working their way towards Pictou Landing(where bf and Amber live)checking the river, wooded areas and empty buildings along the way
Police and SAR searched the area on Heathbell Rd and at the same time the water surrounding bf and Ambers residence
Bf's car is taken by police
Police and SAR search wooded area around bf and Ambers residence and continued to search water as well

I have been coming on this site for factual links and have been reading everything but that. The one fact you have in your note above that you mention that is not a fact--the police never said that they were searching near the house where they lived. They never mentioned their home, just the media posted a picture of it.
But, the forum is improved with your statement you know,  and as you can see there are very few knowns considering everything else that has been said on here.

catacholamine .....here are the statements

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-19/article-2780855/RCMP-continue-search-for-Amber-Kirwan-in-Pictou-Landing-area/1

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2778940/UPDATE%3A-Police-focus-search-near-missing-teens-Pictou-Landing-home/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 09:54:44 PM
Oryx: The posts I shared are from ONE of Amber's friends. Other friends did know that she was missing earlier.
 I copied these times and quotes from this one person's  facebook.
Any by saying she was reported missing...later the next day... I was referring to the Missing persons report to the police.
Gosh, I hope you didn't miss my point. Sorry
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 09:55:08 PM
Please allow me to offer my perspective on the fact that Amber was last seen at 1:30am and was not reported missing until later the next day. (Sunday...Thanksgiving)
I used this as a teaching opportunity for all my children!  (i realize Amber's situation is a bit different since living with her bf and not parents)

My son was also out that night. He met a group of friends at a friends house for a few drinks and then they went to Dooley's. After he left Dooley's he and some friends took a taxi to a friends house where they stayed the night. Then the next morning they had drives to each of their homes. (They have done this before. No one drinks and drives. Parents are happy.) I know the plan and get a text if there is a change in plans. The next day he arrived home late morning or early afternoon.

As a parent I am expecting him to arrive home by about noon. Sometimes it's a bit earlier and sometimes it's a bit later. Sometimes I text to see if I have to do a pick up.
So, my son arrived home BUT...IF he had not arrived home by noon I would be watching the clock and then call or text him to check on his ride. And then, as it got later I would start calling friends and then more friends and as time goes by that is when you would start to panic a little. I hope you get an understanding of what I am trying to say.

At 1:20pm one of Amber's friends posted on facebook, "Happy Turkey Day" she had no idea Amber was missing yet.
Then at 2:00pm same friend posted, "Anybody see Amber Kirwan?" (full name cause there are a few Amber's)
Then at 3:40pm she posted, "...Amber Kirwan where are you!?!? Has ANYONE seen or heard from Amber! She is currently MISSING since dooleys last night!!! "
At 6:52pm the same post is made and then at 6:52pm the post again with the addition of "...please let me or (bf name here) know any information about her."
My son got a text later that night, maybe 8 or 9 saying Amber was missing.
Makes you feel sick to your stomach doesn't it!?

So, the big discussion we had was how important it is for parents and friends to know your plans and don't just assume your friend went with someone else or whatever. It is all very scary, sad and upsetting but in some cases it could very well be that someone is not missed until the next day. Amber's case is a bit different but I hope you understand the point i am trying to make. Thanks for listening.




Since nothing like this has happened before, none of the teens/young adults would possibly think something could go horribly wrong. As you mentioned, how your son and his buddies act responsibly and don't drive after drinking, rather stay at one place ... parents know more or less when to expect them home, and I believe that Mason probably didn't worry b/c he thought Amber was safe with friends.
Great point you have made.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 09:56:46 PM
The police are taking nothing for granted - they never do.  That is why they are searching everything, including woods, and waterways.  That too is standard procedure in their searches for missing people. They have done helicopter searches, checked vacant buildings and cabins from what I understand.
They check everything possible within a given area.  They start where a missing person was last seen and work outward from there, including stopping of vehicles leading of town.
All of this is standard.
When they are satisfied that they have searched as much as possible, and if the missing person is not located, that is when regular citizens band together and continue the searches.
Hopefully, they will locate her soon.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:02:41 PM
It does say they are searching the area around her home. Why if she went missing from the downtown area??
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 19, 2011, 10:03:57 PM
SAP: thank you. I am glad you understood the point I was trying to convey.
Good night everyone.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 19, 2011, 10:06:03 PM
Kinda bored...and its done in a hurry but I hope this gives an idea about locations.

Ps The Gut bridge is deadly...I remember when I was in school some kid(s) and possibly an adult drowned there. Long time ago so details are sketchy but the undertow (current) is crazy strong!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:08:28 PM
sad333 ..... it would be speculation to say possibly why .....but one can kinda guess.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 10:10:17 PM
sad333 ..... it would be speculation to say possibly why .....but one can kinda guess.

It would be negligent of the police not to do a proper search. It is part of the investigation.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 19, 2011, 10:11:15 PM
 http://g.co/maps/u5zrw .

Here you can see the street view well.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
Hope they checked that boarding house.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:12:13 PM
Yes true .....one can just imagine how PC would react if they didn't.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:14:43 PM
There are many people in that house if someone there did something I'm sure someone else in there would have saw or heard.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:15:50 PM
I see where they found the shoe . Look at the map then the picture of them finding it. Right by the wire 3/4 way up the street.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 10:16:43 PM
Great posts everyone. It looks like this thread is beginning to calm down and become more productive. Thanks to all that have come here to add something to this thread. Many of us from this site are from other provinces so it really helps us to get a clearer picture as we read about the area that Amber went missing in.

Oryx, thank you for posting in regard to the donations. That seemed to be a worry for some of the posters and I'm glad that has been explained. It sounds like the community is really pulling together to help Amber's family.

There have been several different scenarios posted regarding the night Amber went missing. Any one of them could be correct. Then again, something totally different than anyone has thought of, or would expect, could have happened. This is always the hardest part when someone vanishes is the not knowing.  
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 19, 2011, 10:18:35 PM
Well said Debbiec.  Good nite everyone.  Let's hope that tomorrow will be a brighter day.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
My friend was kept in a 3 bedroom basement apartment for 26 days. She was in one room of that apt and no-one knew that she was there. I think they did but it was a half way house. They would never call police.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:19:59 PM
So true about the "Not knowing", tonight at work people are starting to question if their kids can go out on Halloween night. Someone asked, "wouldn't the police tell us if there is an abductor out there?"
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:23:00 PM
If they do go out with them. You never know
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PleaseComeHome on October 19, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
The area under Gut Bridge IS close to the home of AK and MC, BUT it is also where a body would end up because water from other waterways funnel into Gut Bridge. Because of its strong current is often unfortunately where a body could drift to and end up at. It may just be searched for that simple reason, and not for its proximity to the residence of the couple.

I have this feeling inside that she is alive out there somewhere! Or at least that is what I am hoping in this case...

It does say they are searching the area around her home. Why if she went missing from the downtown area??
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:24:38 PM
I know people who have lived in that house and I know they would call the police. They are people just like us .....some with mental illness, some down on their luck and yes some not so great people.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
PleaseComeHome  ....exactly ....I just didn't want to say it 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:27:32 PM
Same thing in Moncton but no one came forward to help her. They seem afraid of police for some reason.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:29:29 PM
sad333 .....I noticed that too about the shoe. That's if it is her shoe ...police have not confirmed.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:38:57 PM
I know my grandaughter buys these cheap shoe from Ardenes. Flats for 10 bucks then they wear them and it hurts their feet so they are disposable lol That could be the same thing where that shoe came from .
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:42:51 PM
I have been watching ctv and cbc news all night and there is nothing about Amber. Please keep her name out there on  the news. Not just local but national.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:44:27 PM
sad333 ....Never know ....I have seen a pair of sneakers sitting on the sidewalk before. It's not unusual to see like that laying around outside some where. It seems it could be hers .....however you just never know, maybe it's not.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:46:20 PM
There was news on CBC ...I saw it at work .....6pm news
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 19, 2011, 10:51:35 PM
pc all night nothing about Amber on the national site. Sorry
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 10:54:44 PM
What I saw at work was very short and it basically said the search near her home continues ...that was about it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 19, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
sad333

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Local_News/NS/1317909223/ID=2156649532

it's around the middle ...if u want to skip to it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 19, 2011, 11:56:09 PM

Still no sign of Amber Kirwan

Divers search for clues to whereabouts of missing woman  Police say tips still coming in from public
NEW GLASGOW NEWS
Published: October 20, 2011 1:12 a.m.
Last modified: October 20, 2011 1:17 a.m.
 

Divers are expected to return today to the waters of Big Gut Bridge in Pictou Landing to search for a missing Pictou County woman.

Const. Ken MacDonald of New Glasgow police said the divers have been at the bridge since the weekend and will continue looking for clues that lead them to Amber Kirwan, 19.

“They are conducting an underwater search, looking for anything that may be pertinent to the investigation,” he said.

Kirwan disappeared from downtown New Glasgow on Oct. 9. She was out with friends that evening at Dooly’s bar. She left at about 1:30 a.m. and walked toward Big Al’s convenience store to meet her boyfriend, Mason Campbell.

Campbell said that when he and a friend arrived a short time later, she was nowhere to be found.

MacDonald said the investigation is still classified as a missing-person’s case and the public is urged not to draw conclusions from the searches.

Police are asking people to report any suspicious activity they may have seen or heard throughout Pictou County on the morning of Oct. 9.

http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1001942--still-no-sign-of-amber-kirwan (http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1001942--still-no-sign-of-amber-kirwan)

Anyone with information about Amber Kirwan’s whereabouts is asked to contact police at 1-800-222-8477 or Crime Stoppers at crimestoppers.ns. All tips will remain anonymous.NEW GLASGOW NEWS
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: IMHO on October 20, 2011, 05:58:51 AM
I have been watching ctv and cbc news all night and there is nothing about Amber. Please keep her name out there on  the news. Not just local but national.

Having been in the Media spin/PR business for 20 years- this does not surprise me.  Yesterday was a major media day in Nova Scotia (with the ship building announcement)- that was the media priority and will be for days yet to come.

Also there is breaking news that 1/2 way around the world Ghadafi (sp) has been captured. Those 2 stories are and will be front and centre.

Until there is anything new to report  on Amber's disappearance,  the local media coverage will dwindle off. That is the reality of the media cycle.

But the lack of media coverage would not mean that the investigation is slowing down.  There is simply nothing new to report. Or nothing new that can be reported.

(Now don't shoot the messenger!!)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 06:14:46 AM
Not so....a friend posted that Amber was missing on my wall at 10am Sunday morning.


That's probably when the friend awoke, found the text and message from Mason and couldn't reach him. (He was sleeping or his cell was turned off). She went into action since the last she heard from Mason was that he was asking about Amber and since Amber wasn't with her friends, perhaps she also checked with Amber's family, then posted on FB.
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I am not FB friends with anyone of Amber's close friends. This came from another person on my newsfeed. Social Networking can spread things like wildfire I guess.... :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 06:16:00 AM
There was a quick blurp on cbc news last night.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Local_News/NS/1317909223/ID=2156649532

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 06:45:21 AM


That's probably when the friend awoke, found the text and message from Mason and couldn't reach him. (He was sleeping or his cell was turned off). She went into action since the last she heard from Mason was that he was asking about Amber and since Amber wasn't with her friends, perhaps she also checked with Amber's family, then posted on FB.
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Can't imagine he would turn his cell phone off with her missing at that point. Perhaps it had to be charged.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 06:59:58 AM
Not sure where that info is coming from .....I quoted it from above. But I can't imagine he would turn it off.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: bluemist on October 20, 2011, 07:07:46 AM
This is so heartbreaking!!
I find myself thinking about 'the shoe', my first thought about losing a shoe is IF it is hers, did she try to run from someone? and what is the direction of the closest place she would try to get to?
I do know that the shoe has not been confirmed as hers. It would be nice if the process of determining these things wasn't so long, but in order to be thorough I imagine they have to be.
I hope and pray everyday for good news...
Once again these are just thoughts.... :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 07:26:57 AM
I see the telephone game is starting again.  ::)

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 20, 2011, 07:32:32 AM
bluemist  IF that was Amber's shoe, she was definately not happy to be near the person she was running from....i owned those types of shoes and if you run really quickly they will fly right off your feet.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 20, 2011, 07:34:10 AM
that is....if she was running also :P
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 20, 2011, 07:42:41 AM
Nish what did you mean?  The telephone game is starting again?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Nish what did you mean?  The telephone game is starting again?

I meant that the speculation is starting to ramp up again and that will soon be taken as fact, rather than what it is. You know, talk of texts, or shoes, or search areas...just suggestions initially, but ones that we have seen many buy into as gospel. I really wish everyone would just take what the cops and other officials say as, well, "official".

I am as frustrated and as hopeful and as torn as everyone here...but I am tempering that with the cruel dose of reality that coming up with wild theories on theories on theories...does nothing.

Or perhaps I am just grumpy because it's raining.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: bluemist on October 20, 2011, 07:57:34 AM
I'm sorry if your referring to my post, definitely was not my attention, I shall refrain from "theorizing", as your right, it does nothing...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 20, 2011, 08:08:00 AM
Nish I agree with you when gossip gets taken as gospil it creates a frenze.  Which it appears has happened on and off in that town.  Not a good thing for sure. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 08:11:20 AM
It's simply an opinion. One that comes from extensive experience. I wasn't referring to any one specific post, we aren't allowed to single people out any more, that's the new age of thinking, innit?

I am a black and white thinker who can consider the abstract and my initial feeling is often right which is why I seldom delve into the abstract. That said, talking about Amber's second cousin, twice removed's boyfriend's best friend's uncle...and his theory on this, is useless. IMHO, equally useless would be the use of mediums, sprit channels, ouija boards, tarot cards, beads, coins, smoke signals, psychics, symbolisms of Jesus Christ on the wall of a Tim Hortons, weeping Virgins, horoscopes, etcetera and so on ad infinitum and nauseum - I think you get the point. Further, I do not speculate very far from the centre of mass...but I will not be doing ANY of that here. I think it decentralizes things and is quite counter productive. As counter productive, like I have mentioned before, as hiding because there is the slimmest possibility that a maniac is on the loose - I just do not get the math on it.

If you've read some of my other posts you should, by now, get that I try to make my point but also get a smile while making it, there is enough going on to frown about. And if you don't get that then perhaps you should just put me on ignore.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 08:12:23 AM
I am as frustrated and as hopeful and as torn as everyone here...but I am tempering that with the cruel dose of reality that coming up with wild theories on theories on theories...does nothing.

Or perhaps I am just grumpy because it's raining.

I would tend to agree......and I am equally as blue b/c of rain, and a  head cold.  Just one huge snotty event here today  :o  Pun intended!  :D

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 08:13:29 AM
If you've read some of my other posts you should, by now, get that I try to make my point but also get a smile while making it, there is enough going on to frown about. And if you don't get that then perhaps you should just put me on ignore.

You just brightened up my morning with the above ramble! Sarcasm is sometimes lost in translation Nish.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 08:14:28 AM
I am as frustrated and as hopeful and as torn as everyone here...but I am tempering that with the cruel dose of reality that coming up with wild theories on theories on theories...does nothing.

Or perhaps I am just grumpy because it's raining.

I would tend to agree......and I am equally as blue b/c of rain, and a  head cold.  Just one huge snotty event here today  :o  Pun intended!  :D

Ba-ZING-ga, humour! It helps!

Everybody go and do something un-politically correct that makes you smile...or fart on a church pew, the acoustics are brilliant.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 20, 2011, 08:17:17 AM
The weather doesn't help that is for sure, but also the length of time this is dragging out, as well as all the emotions involved wither involved or only by association of being in the town is sure to make any one blue.  I for one enjoy reading your posts Nish so keep them up please. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
It's simply an opinion. One that comes from extensive experience. I wasn't referring to any one specific post, we aren't allowed to single people out any more, that's the new age of thinking, innit?

I am a black and white thinker who can consider the abstract and my initial feeling is often right which is why I seldom delve into the abstract. That said, talking about Amber's second cousin, twice removed's boyfriend's best friend's uncle...and his theory on this, is useless. IMHO, equally useless would be the use of mediums, sprit channels, ouija boards, tarot cards, beads, coins, smoke signals, psychics, symbolisms of Jesus Christ on the wall of a Tim Hortons, weeping Virgins, horoscopes, etcetera and so on ad infinitum and nauseum - I think you get the point. Further, I do not speculate very far from the centre of mass...but I will not be doing ANY of that here. I think it decentralizes things and is quite counter productive. As counter productive, like I have mentioned before, as hiding because there is the slimmest possibility that a maniac is on the loose - I just do not get the math on it.

If you've read some of my other posts you should, by now, get that I try to make my point but also get a smile while making it, there is enough going on to frown about. And if you don't get that then perhaps you should just put me on ignore.

These are things people do out of desperation and to hold onto hope. If my child was missing I might possible speak with a psychic too. It may be useless as far as the investigation goes however, people do these things and behave this way because it helps them through the stages of what they are dealing with.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 20, 2011, 10:07:40 AM
I am wondering what colour Mason's vehicle is, there is a reason I'm asking that question. Can anyone post a picture of Mason's vehicle on here? And where is Mason employed or is he? These are just questions I am interested in knowing. And I wish everyone when posting would kind of brief their information in a little bit shorter message, too much reading. Hopefully some answers will come soon on what has happened to the beautiful Amber. God bless everyone searching and giving their time and resources to the family and friends   of Amber. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 10:15:53 AM
capeheart .....my understanding is the car is a red color, not sure of make. He works at Michelin as a contractor. Amber works at Home Hardware.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PeopleAreWeird on October 20, 2011, 10:20:57 AM
Vanished.....At that hour of the night, maybe her boyfriend had thought she'd gone to her parents or a friends.....how do we know for a fact when this was "reported" btw?

I do not remember any mention of an exact time, etc. reported in any media source (I could be wrong, in which case could someone show me the article?). :)

"Kirwan’s family reported her missing to police Sunday evening"

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-10/article-2773021/Pictou-County-woman-missing/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 10:58:23 AM
Thank you PeopleAreWeird!

This would be the official report by the family, I knew about the girl being missing via Facebook  feed on Sunday Morning......meaning someone was looking for her prior to Sunday evening, meaning the boyfriend or someone else must have posted something via social networking prior to contacting the authorities (or if the authorities were contacted, they cannot consider it a missing person's case within a time frame, can they not?). 

Maybe someone would like to verify at what point the police define it as a missing person's case (is it 24 hours?).




Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
These are things people do out of desperation and to hold onto hope. If my child was missing I might possible speak with a psychic too. It may be useless as far as the investigation goes however, people do these things and behave this way because it helps them through the stages of what they are dealing with.

What I was referring to and what I was referring to only.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PeopleAreWeird on October 20, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
Thank you very much for your post Mariea Leil-Bowser. Your post should let any doubters put to rest.  Glad that you have a trust account set up for the family. Overjoyed to learn that MC has not been dipping into the fund to buy himself cigarettes, as has been claimed.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
And God Bless you for stepping in and setting the record straight.
Jellybean

This is MY thinking...... Because Mariea Leil-Bowser states "Mason has not taken one cent of the money" does not mean that's 100% fact.

I posted this earlier but it's somehow gone now. I read in an earlier post that it happens sometimes when someone posts at the same time as you so I hope that is what happened.

But I would like to add that just because some of the "kids" supposedly stated he was taking money for cigarettes does not mean that it's 100% fact.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PeopleAreWeird on October 20, 2011, 11:21:09 AM
Thank you PeopleAreWeird!

This would be the official report by the family, I knew about the girl being missing via Facebook  feed on Sunday Morning......meaning someone was looking for her prior to Sunday evening, meaning the boyfriend or someone else must have posted something via social networking prior to contacting the authorities (or if the authorities were contacted, they cannot consider it a missing person's case within a time frame, can they not?). 

Maybe someone would like to verify at what point the police define it as a missing person's case (is it 24 hours?).

I found this really quick (I have to leave for work) http://www.gov.ns.ca/just/pto/services_mp.asp

I hope it's the proper info that you're looking for.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 11:37:05 AM

I found this really quick (I have to leave for work) http://www.gov.ns.ca/just/pto/services_mp.asp

I hope it's the proper info that you're looking for.

Thank you.   I was wondering about the time frame as well.  I ask this information to dispel some of the other misinformation being spread in regards to the girls boyfriend, and the assumptions people are making based on this.  Just because it was officially reported on Sunday afternoon, does not necessarily mean this was the time, and only time the family and loved ones were looking for the girl. 

In my "humble opinion" you cannot base judgements on this information. Only those involved would know exactly how the events occurred. Therefore I think it is a tad bit futile to question these things.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 11:45:27 AM
The media did say they were searching near the teens home.
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-17/article-2778940/UPDATE%3A-Police-focus-search-near-missing-teens-Pictou-Landing-home/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 20, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
Thanks, PC for the information about Mason's vehicle. Would he have had any company vehicles home with him that night, like a van or a truck because of his contract work? And I find it very interesting at this point that it was her family that reported her missing and not Mason. That bothers me that he says he just went home and went to sleep, because that was not the case. Other people were with him at his apartment, so I am wondering about that.  :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 20, 2011, 01:04:30 PM
Ok here are a few answers to some peoples questions that I dug up that was reported in the newspaper.

1.Campbell said Kirwan called him from Dooly’s and asked him to pick her up. They agreed to meet at Big Al’s. When he got there though, she wasn’t there, so he tried calling the number she had called from but no one saw here there. He returned to Big Al’s but she was nowhere to be seen.
He said Kirwan took a cab into Dooly’s and he had planned to join her, but was unable to.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-10/article-2773021/Amber-Kirwan-still-missing---UPDATE%3A-Police-widen-search/1

2.New Glasgow Police were spotted picking up black objects, which looked like shoes, from a grassy area near downtown New Glasgow yesterday afternoon, but MacDonald wouldn’t confirm if the objects was relevant to Kirwan’s disappearance.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-12/article-2775182/RCMP-major-crime-unit-joining-in-investigation/1

3. This is a statement in the paper made by her friend note the highlights

We were standing outside Doolys in a group and we were getting ready to leave and she said she was going to meet her boyfriend at Big Al’s,” Chickness said. “We told her we would walk up with her and get our cab from there but she said not to worry. She would be fine.”

Chickness said there was a large crowd standing outside the bar at the time and she never thought about her friend again until Campbell texted her and asked if she’d seen Kirwan.
“He said she never showed up at Big Al’s,” she explained.
Chickness said she figured that Kirwan went somewhere else but when Campbell contacted her again the next morning to say she never returned to their Pictou Landing home,  she started to take the situation much more seriously.

Kirwan had been visiting with friends earlier in the evening before a group of them had moved onto Doolys, said Chickness and added Kirwan had forgotten to take her cell phone to the bar and only had one drink while was there.
“She was in a good mood. She was happy,” she said, adding this was only Kirwan’s second time at Doolys since she turned 19 in August.
Chickness said Kirwan works part-time at Proudfoot’s Home Hardware in New Glasgow and is taking some courses at the community college. She said her friend often talks of becoming a nurse.
She said she grew up in the Lourdes area and graduated from Northumberland Regional High School in 2010. She moved in with Campbell about four months ago. They had been dating for a couple of years.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-11/article-2774215/Boyfriend-questioned-in-Kirwans-disappearance/1

but the only fact that we know for 100% that is important here is that AMBER KIRWAN IS MISSING!

My thoughts and prayers go to her family that she will be found soon
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: SAP on October 20, 2011, 01:06:59 PM
Isn't this an assumption by SAP that Mason was asleep or his cell was turned off?

OMG. I failed to say that possibly, possibly, possibly he may have have turned it off. This really is a very minor assumption, especially comparing to what has been assumed in the past by others. I can list them if you want.

Doesn't anyone read all the posts?? Read what Teachlove has been posting please. At that time of night probably there were a lot of assumptions, ie ... the friends thinking Amber is with Mason; Mason could have been thinking Amber stayed with the friends. In my humble opinion, no one that night felt there was a need to worry about anything. Just giving the benefit of doubt.

Nish, my apologies that "nothing me" compared to your 20 years expertise in PR, makes some assumptions.
Would you rather have the mass hysteria that presented here before? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 01:40:43 PM
Nish, my apologies that "nothing me" compared to your 20 years expertise in PR, makes some assumptions.
Would you rather have the mass hysteria that presented here before?

*facepalm*

I don't appreciate the insinuation of this statement at all. I have never rammed my experience or expertise down anyone's throat and I think it's quite unfair of you to suggest such with your words. You do not know me, you do not know my education or experience, so let's not pretend you do. You can try to be self deprecating with your "nothing me" all you want, I have never gotten close to suggesting anything of the sort and you are now extending assumptions to what I am saying. Furthermore, at no time did I mention anyone by name and I did so on purpose as there was no sense in naming anyone, but you went right ahead and assumed such.

You know what they say about assumptions? That besides making that whole ass out of u and me they are the mother of all f*ck ups. Assumptions on the night Ms Kirwan disappeared? Fully understandable and, in a sense, required. Almost two weeks after the fact when even the cops are asking people to refrain from such thing? Hummm......And hey, I don't run this place, so if the powers that be feel that assumptions are fair ball then so be it. But I am fully within my rights to voice my opinion about such. And it is just an opinion but a hard fought for, and learned one.

To answer your question: I am of the mind that part of the reason hysteria would grip a thread or a group is because of assumptions and the reaction to such, especially over a medium such as this.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 20, 2011, 02:01:55 PM
Thanks for that post, meechie.  I am now clearer on the answer to my question about the shoe.   There is NOTHING that states for a fact Amber's shoe was found.
And, even if "the black objects" are shoes, they are NOT necessarily Amber's.

The Police HaveNOT released any info regarding the shoes. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 20, 2011, 02:27:13 PM
np Jobo was getting tired of reading the same questions and seeing way to much speculations, I knew I had seen alot of the answers to people's questions in the news so I went digging and I must say CTV news is not the only news source I am seeing that the NG news is better with more details.

I must also say we all need to stop fighting, this is not helping to find Amber and that is why we are here, that is why this thread is here.

And I also want to point out again that we all have rights nobody is guilty until proven in a court of law, that is the right of every person.

 We are not helping Amber by pointing fingers and saying what he said, what he did, what he didn't do or didn't say. We are not him and we are not in his shoes, it is the polices job to follow the evidence wherever it may take them and for them to put the pieces together to find out what happened, and only they can charge a person and even when that person is charged they are still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

so lets all get along and stop finger pointing and only put the facts that have been reported in here this is the only way we can help.

 and like my mother said IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY, THEN DON'T SAY IT AT ALL. god rest her soul she was a smart women amen!

p.s I am sure many mothers have said that it is an old quote but it is the first one I remember my mom saying to me.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 20, 2011, 02:37:09 PM
Thanks for that post, meechie.  I am now clearer on the answer to my question about the shoe.   There is NOTHING that states for a fact Amber's shoe was found.
And, even if "the black objects" are shoes, they are NOT necessarily Amber's.

The Police HaveNOT released any info regarding the shoes.

That's why I use the word "if" it was Amber's shoe.  She was last seen ballet flats....one of which a man is holding up and examining in the newspaper.  May not be Amber's shoe, but hey, if it fits....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 20, 2011, 03:00:41 PM
Oh, I know, natesgirl1977, I wasn't insinuating anything against anyone.   I was trying to clarify in my own mind what the hey the deal was on the "black objects".    I seem to dwell on small parts of the story, and if it isn't ringing right, I go on and on, until clear.  ;)

I have also done it on Valerie's thread in Quebec, regarding her school bag.  I even start apologizing all over the place....but If the shoe DON'T fit, I struggle with the big picture. 

I also use the word If a lot too; we have to as we do not have any facts other than the fact Amber left Dooley's @ 1:30a.m. heading towards Big Al's to meet up with her boyfriend, and did not have her phone, and according to the boyfriend, Amber did not arrive.

While I am posting, I noticed EyesforLies completely removed anything to do with this disappearance of Amber from her Blog.  She doesn't usually cover Canadian mysteries.  I wonder what happened as I was not really following it that closely?  I can't find any reference to it at all.   I think that one or two of you new members were posting on here and on her Blog....does any of you know what happened?   I admit that when I read some of the stuff on there I cringed.  Maybe the talk ended up getting even more out of hand, and she may have shut it down herself. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 20, 2011, 03:16:49 PM
here is the link for eyes for lies on Amber It is weird that it is not found on google but then again google has been acting strange for the last few days

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/10/amber-kirwan-missing.html
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 03:35:54 PM
here is the link for eyes for lies on Amber It is weird that it is not found on google but then again google has been acting strange for the last few days

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2011/10/amber-kirwan-missing.html

I think it's prudent to note this, from the bottom of the blog page:
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Disclaimer: All data and information provided on this site is for informational purposes only. Eyes for Lies Blog makes no representations as to accuracy, completeness, currentness, suitability, or validity of any information on this site & will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. This is a blog and  expresses opinions of the author. Just because Eyes for Lies does not believe someone does not mean they are (a) lying, or (b) a liar. All information is provided on an as-is basis. Eyes for Lies does not take any responsibility for comments published by its readers. Readers publish comments at their own risk.

I'll state it again: I am on the fence about all of this, for a litany of reasons. So please do not take my pointing this tidbit out to you as an indication of my "taking sides" one way or the other, because I haven't.

Blogs like this one are one thing that make me resent the information age just a little. But that's me.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 20, 2011, 03:43:47 PM
Nish - me too.  In my case also include "mediums", and psycics. Amateurs who do voice analysis, and set up a blog on these cases.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
Blogs like this one are one thing that make me resent the information age just a little. But that's me.
Nish

I mentioned this in one of my earlier posts on this forum.  It's like National Enquirer.  If you are in the grocery aisle, and there's absolutely nothing else to read while you stand there idly waiting to purchase your groceries, then maybe peruse for a good laugh.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 20, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
I have read her blog out of curiosity, but the comments people were making were was like a free for all and it was alot of hearsay, I would rather get my information from the news, even though it is not always correct it is a more reliable source than the internet.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 20, 2011, 04:25:23 PM
If the lady allows this on her blog, then she herself must subscribe to the ideas of gossip and rumors.  With a name like "Eyes for Lies" that's the best you should anticipate out of the site.  Her blog posts entail leading questions and comments geared towards riling up the audience.

But that's just my opinion....

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 04:33:08 PM
If the lady allows this on her blog, then she herself must subscribe to the ideas of gossip and rumors.  With a name like "Eyes for Lies" that's the best you should anticipate out of the site.  Her blog posts entail leading questions and comments geared towards riling up the audience.

But that's just my opinion....

Rumour, gossip, innuendo, leading comments, etc. are the best way to foster "discussion" and thereby generate traffic to your site (which is tracked, by the way) and then perhaps advertisements (which is money, by the way). Most people do not care if someone is slagging you or agreeing completely, the hit count is enough for them - see: media. And "reputable media", IMHO, does not exist. See: Rupert Murdoch.

For the uninitiated or unimaginative, it's like this:
a) you post a story that is somewhat inflammatory (but not slanderous or libellous) and you take the approach that you are above reproach.
b) people start to share the story via social media because you are such a complete and total neanderthal and you must be corrected. Self righteous indignation helps here.
c) the site hosting the story and comments is able to track how many people visiting it. Don't worry, they aren't tracking "you", just that you visited or "clicked"
d) site owners display these numbers to potential advertisers.
e) advertisers, convinced their ads will be seen by more folks in your publication than in the Acme County Tribune, throw dollars at you to carry their advertisements.
f) start over at 'a'.

Folks, I'll opine that sometimes it ain't just about the facts, ma'am. Then again, I have also opined that the last newspaper, or news reporting medium, with any integrity was the North Bay Nugget - but again, that's just me, and that would have been 1938 (and I am nowhere near that old, again, just my humble opinion).

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 20, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
I have never seen it like that on Eyes...only this time.  I never usually read the comments section,  I have recently and agree it went way too far on her Blog regarding Amber.   I think it really got out of hand for her like it did on this thread a couple of times....she is only one person trying to keep her site decent.   
 I just read how Eyes can pick apart a liar, and no matter what your opinion is of her, she is accurate.   She is not a physcic.
When you have time, you should read some of the cases she has followed, and you might be surprised at her.  One more thing her seminars are only for Law Enforcement and Military only.....

Don't know why I am defending her except that I have learned a few things from her site, as I am interested in profiling, and her take on liars helps me understand the human being a little better. ;) 

Thanks (again) meechie, for some reason I couldn't find and wouldn't have been surprised if it was shut down.   My computer has been acting up lately too.

While I am posting.....I am noticing LOTS of GUESTS on this Forum lately....which means these people have not registered, which is their perogative....but if any of you GUESTS know something that would help find Amber, please speak up, either to us, or the Cops Tip Line.  Please, for Amber.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 20, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
from jobo:
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While I am posting.....I am noticing LOTS of GUESTS on this Forum lately....which means these people have not registered, which is their perogative....but if any of you GUESTS know something that would help find Amber, please speak up, either to us, or the Cops Tip Line.  Please, for Amber.

Apparently this site is attracting lots from other sites, that are watching. I've been told that by members here,  that are also members on different sites.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 20, 2011, 05:11:55 PM
I am trying my hardest NOT to be on the rumour mill....I guess I could have worded a touch differently (my mistake)....but I was Asking.   That's what all the question marks were for.   Clarification.    I shall be more careful  ;)
But thanks, I didn't notice at the bottom of her page I could click older cases.  (Not the brightest on the computer).

Thanks catacholamine, that is basically the point I was trying to make about Eyes.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 20, 2011, 05:12:48 PM

While I am posting, I noticed EyesforLies completely removed anything to do with this disappearance of Amber from her Blog.  She doesn't usually cover Canadian mysteries.  I wonder what happened as I was not really following it that closely?  I can't find any reference to it at all.   I think that one or two of you new members were posting on here and on her Blog....does any of you know what happened?   I admit that when I read some of the stuff on there I cringed.  Maybe the talk ended up getting even more out of hand, and she may have shut it down herself.

She didn't shut it down,but I have read that she has banned people because of some of the things they were saying, she 1 person who is trying to manage the site it can be hard because she is not sitting at her computer waiting for someone to put up comments. I seen some fighting and things getting out of hand but for the most part she has interjected and told people to not be so judgemental so for the most part she is managing as best as she can.

I agree with you jobo I have read alot of her site and I found myself quite intrigued, she must be pretty reputable if she only trains military and police if she wasn't there is no way she would be training them and she has a 97% accuracy. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 20, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
.... threading very lightly here on this "cliff".  We all know that "all forums" can accumulate real facts, false facts, rumors, theories, what if/s, could it be/s .... etc. 

I have been a member of this site for quite a while;  I also have visited other sites on occasions out of curiosity or to view/read things others have suggested, linked, noticed or whatever.  Strange enough though, it doesn't really bother me that there is always half fact, half all the other!!!.  I've realized over the years that if I read it all ....every post (without demanding proof of all that is posted in comments), I can more often than not, figure out what is fact and what is mistakenly repeated, and/or what is put here to deliberately mislead the public. 

Guess what!  I knew that when I first started reading forums.  It's the way it goes.  It's no different than sitting at Tim's listening to the gossip.  If I am going to demand proof of every word that gets posted, well I guess I'd better be prepared to "host my own site".  If I'm going to nit pick each and every word, thought, theory, ..... or take offense at every other fact (whether true or false) .... then I'm only getting in trouble with others and wasting my time. 

Who's to decide (other than mediators) what's what.  As long as there's no personal attacks to other members or posters, let the words fly.  Somewhere amongst it all,  there will be answers.  If you sit back and read, watch, think, and write back and forth ( with a thick skin) the whole thread boils until most is revealed.  If we can't handle that, and we pick, snap, judge others comments word by word ..... it will end up that there are probably several "peeps" reading and just dying to say something .... but afraid to speak for fear of being jumped for what they think they know or what they do know.  When readers get "spooked" by the bickering and picking, they stay wayyyyyyy back and we get "nothing".  Think about it.

I'm all for let everybody have a say;  if it's vile or far fetched, or repetitious of nothing but "hate", then it can be reported and deleted.  However, for the most part, the more that's tolerated, the more comes out.  ....just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
.... threading very lightly here on this "cliff".  We all know that "all forums" can accumulate real facts, false facts, rumors, theories, what if/s, could it be/s .... etc. 

I have been a member of this site for quite a while;  I also have visited other sites on occasions out of curiosity or to view/read things others have suggested, linked, noticed or whatever.  Strange enough though, it doesn't really bother me that there is always half fact, half all the other!!!.  I've realized over the years that if I read it all ....every post (without demanding proof of all that is posted in comments), I can more often than not, figure out what is fact and what is mistakenly repeated, and/or what is put here to deliberately mislead the public. 

Guess what!  I knew that when I first started reading forums.  It's the way it goes.  It's no different than sitting at Tim's listening to the gossip.  If I am going to demand proof of every word that gets posted, well I guess I'd better be prepared to "host my own site".  If I'm going to nit pick each and every word, thought, theory, ..... or take offense at every other fact (whether true or false) .... then I'm only getting in trouble with others and wasting my time. 

Who's to decide (other than mediators) what's what.  As long as there's no personal attacks to other members or posters, let the words fly.  Somewhere amongst it all,  there will be answers.  If you sit back and read, watch, think, and write back and forth ( with a thick skin) the whole thread boils until most is revealed.  If we can't handle that, and we pick, snap, judge others comments word by word ..... it will end up that there are probably several "peeps" reading and just dying to say something .... but afraid to speak for fear of being jumped for what they think they know or what they do know.  When readers get "spooked" by the bickering and picking, they stay wayyyyyyy back and we get "nothing".  Think about it.

I'm all for let everybody have a say;  if it's vile or far fetched, or repetitious of nothing but "hate", then it can be reported and deleted.  However, for the most part, the more that's tolerated, the more comes out.  ....just my personal opinion.

So you have no respect for what a slander, libel or defamation claim could mean to the principles of this site? I just happen to have some first hand knowledge in dealing with one of these...

I "work" for one site that has been slapped with the threat of a defamation suit because of what some of the membership was saying about this person's opinions. This was not serious stuff, more that people simply disagreed with his published opinions on certain affairs and I can only imagine what it would be like if he were to feel defamed over a case like this...

Thing about sitting at Tim's and listening to gossip: it isn't datalogged or stored.

All I have suggested is that people be careful with what they state, because it is too early.

Think about that.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 20, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
hags.nook;  On that link you provided, this is what I read:   "If the wrong information does get out there, folks might begin to feel their neighbourhoods might be unsafe, and that is NOT the case,"  MacDonald said.  (Constable Ken McDonald).
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
This forum has certainly gotten boring. You can't say anything before someone jumps all over your post. Nothing is being said as slander, just trying to put together what happened to Amber. Someone commented that they found black shoes. Well just look at the picture in the paper and you can see its a black shoe. Time to relax here and stop being so critical over every post.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 20, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/t16779-canada-amber-kirwan-19-new-glasgow-ns

If this web site works OK when you pull it up, it shows the news stories to date and summarizes what has happened. It may be a good review It looks like a site for Caylee but it's all about Amber. Amber Donna Kirwan.

Nice resource, thanks for sharing.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 20, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
Correction: ...put money on they may be almost dead on
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 20, 2011, 06:58:20 PM
This forum has certainly gotten boring. You can't say anything before someone jumps all over your post. Nothing is being said as slander, just trying to put together what happened to Amber. Someone commented that they found black shoes. Well just look at the picture in the paper and you can see its a black shoe. Time to relax here and stop being so critical over every post.

I think it's pretty clear to most that have been posting here, what is not allowed. That would be naming someone who has not been found guilty of anything.

Trying to figure things out is alright. We are all intelligent enough to understand that some of it is speculation. Most times a poster will say 'they wonder if something could have happened". We do not want to curb all the ideas that people have, or their desire to speak at all.

In the beginning of this thread some posts that were hateful, or had crossed the line of what is allowed, were removed. That type of posting has pretty much stopped, and things have become a lot calmer on this thread.

If someone crosses the line in a post admin will let them know.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 20, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Debbiec is right.  Alot of us will preface our sentences with I wonder If, or What if, or In my opinion.
Facts are gleaned from the newspaper, and it can be expanded upon from there, with the prefaces. Somewhere in the sentence or paragraph some of us attempt to word things in such a way that hopefully people will understand that it is speculation, or a range of possibilities, and not proven fact.
New information is coming in all of the time on this site from posters, which is not necessarily in the newspapers.  Here we readers have to use our discretion, to believe it, or not.
On my part there is one recent post, which I believe, and you will not find it in the newspapers.
It was up to me to accept this as believable or not.  I chose to believe it.  Others may not.
JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
Well put Debiec. I have noticed alot are not posting anymore because they don't want people jumping over every word. We are just speculating as none us have any real idea as to what happened. Just saying what might have happened.  Lets hope they find Amber and bring her home.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 20, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
EJP, thank you for being honest. I mean if anyone out there knows anything that is vital to finding Amber, this is not the time to cover anything up or tell lies. If anyone has information, take it to the police and let them investigate. It could be your sister, your mother or your wife that is missing or one of your children. Would you want someone to cover it up if they knew anything that could help this investigation. Please anyone out there, contact the police, call Crime Stoppers, you do not have to give your name. Prayers to find Amber. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 20, 2011, 08:13:53 PM
Anything I mentioned (for the exception of him inside a black car talking to others in front of Dooley's) is known to the police. And yes, I am convinced people are holding back vital information and that's just not right. I have no interest in collecting an award and if I find out anything I think the police don't know, I'll let them know for free...it is beyond sick for anybody to be motivated by money before they share info. To me, that's just not right. A person is missing out there, hopefully still alive...and this is no time to be worried about how much bucks you're going to get.  I also understand people are scared to say things and I get that, but maybe they should consider how scared Amber was and perhaps still is because I just don't want to believe she is dead. It will devastate her family and loved ones and dare I say, an entire community. Besides, unless the info they have could only be known by those who have done harm to her, then I don't see why they won't call in the info they have.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 08:34:24 PM
Is it possible I wonder if more people are involved then we realize. If he was outside Doolys at 1am she must have seen him and thats why she called his cell rather than a taxi.She might have figured he was in the area and said to meet him at Big Al's. Wonder if he had his car out that night at all. The police took his vehicle but I couldn't see why because she was in that car so many times her dna would be there anyway. Hope she is alive and can get home to her parents.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 20, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
In some cases yes, and I believe others is due to the other person, not Mason. I know little of Mason and really haven't heard much bad stuff about him, mostly accusations/rumors, so I don't think people are reluctant to come forward when it so much involves him. I know the police know everything mentioned above, and pretty confident they heard about him in that black car too. That doesn't mean he is guilty of anything, remember, Mason and his friends and the parents have been asked to keep much of the story to themselves while LE figure what the heck is going on.  Anything I mentioned above, from what I can discern, really doesn't hinder their investigation, his mother revealed he wasn't alone and that got the ball rolling and people began talking...you might not be hearing these things on this site, or on other sites, but I guarantee it's serious chatter that is growing within the community...which is why i felt confident to post it. Yes, I know more, but I feel I would be hindering the investigation so for now, it's a judgement call to keep my mouth shut. I want them to find Amber one way or the other and refuse to be the one who messes things up. For those who are questioning why they are searching in the areas they have been since the weekend, believe me when I say this, THEY HAVE REASON TO. They're not shooting in the dark here, hopefully that helps people cope just a little more. There's a method behind what they're doing. The rumors of them finding a body in Pictou this past weekend is just a stupid rumor but they did find very compelling articles of interest as they already stated in the news. 

There were rumors the police took Mason's car within Pictou, it was actually taken in the area of Big Al's. Some are reading into that as significant, like LE is sending a message by taking his car in that area.

I feel bad for Mason, what is leaking out in the public mainly involves him. Again, before somebody calls me devil's advocate, I only have mentioned what is becoming common knowledge, anything else stays with me, and hopefully others for the time being who know what I am referring to, exercise the same caution. 

Again, it was not my intent to interfere with the search, just hoping people realize there is much more to do this. I am sure the trained eyes will pick up on what I didn't mention. If you do, consider if it hinders the investigation or not before posting.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 20, 2011, 08:51:02 PM
Please forgive me for asking this question but I really don't know what LE means..can you explain
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 20, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
Not a problem. Law Enforcement. :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 09:01:22 PM
The media said they were searching the area where amber lived then they said she moved in with her BF 4 months ago. Its only a few pages back for the link to that. EJP it will all come out because I am sure the LE know all these details but they have to have evidence to prove it in a court of law. Anything could have happened. Did MC get drunk and go home and pass out and his friends picked her up. Who the hell knows any detail but it is getting interesting. The dive team are staying there and really looking so they must have an inkling about something. Good friend of mine is on the dive team , haven't seen him in years. Saw his photo in the paper and they try to retrieve evidence.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 20, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
Thats a loaded question and a tough thing for a public forum. But "if" there are ways. Discuss details and "how" locally IMO. Just general suggestions here.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
With all these if's and and's it could be possible this case could go cold. Hope not. Bring this little girl home one way or another.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PeopleAreWeird on October 20, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
I'm becoming convinced he was a lot closer to the meeting place than we have led ourselves to believe.

I never even thought of it that way.... Interesting!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 09:41:55 PM
okay in my humble opinion. If he was outside doolys at 1am. Was he mad at Amber but if he was really drunk his friends might have taken him home but kept his cell. He passed out but his friends might have picked up Amber. So he woke up in the am and all this started from there but he cannot remember anything. Who knows just a suggestion. He did admit he had a few.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: D1 on October 20, 2011, 09:45:27 PM
The green eyed monster can strike anywhere at anytime. Strategies discussed publicly will have little chance of success. Use Pm's, organize do whatever is required.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
Anyway goodnight all . Today is my birthday so I will celebrate. I have been 39 for so many years I have decided to be 40 tomorrow lol
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: PeopleAreWeird on October 20, 2011, 09:57:13 PM
Anyway goodnight all . Today is my birthday so I will celebrate. I have been 39 for so many years I have decided to be 40 tomorrow lol

Happy Birthday! Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 09:59:24 PM
catacholamine.....please read this article ....it states the residence of Amber and Mason.

 
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-11/article-2774215/Boyfriend-questioned-in-Kirwans-disappearance/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 10:04:23 PM
catacholamine .....I constantly read and watch the media everyday. All news papers and all tv media. This is how I gather my info. The info may not all be in one news release but there are bits and pieces througout.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 10:07:03 PM
I am guessing he has got something to do with her missing. Was he involved or not I have no idea but I am sure he know something.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 20, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
At this
I am guessing he has got something to do with her missing. Was he involved or not I have no idea but I am sure he know something.

At this point we have no way of knowing if this is true. It appears that the police have been given pertinent information regarding the night Amber went missing. That, as well as the fact that it seems they have been doing a good investigation, gives me confidence that they will figure this out. Hopefully, for the sake of all involved, it will be soon.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 20, 2011, 10:28:04 PM
Debeic I am sure we will get answers soon or it will go cold. Lets bring this little girl home to her family and friends. She is such a pretty little girl and maybe lived with a not so nice person. Pretty cocky guy but maybe innocent. Who knows. He seems to be digging a big hole for himself.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 20, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
Debeic I am sure we will get answers soon or it will go cold. Lets bring this little girl home to her family and friends. She is such a pretty little girl and maybe lived with a not so nice person. Pretty cocky guy but maybe innocent. Who knows. He seems to be digging a big hole for himself.

I won't speculate on whether Mason was a nice person or not, as I would have no way of knowing that. Pretty cocky guy, does not a killer make.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 20, 2011, 11:57:03 PM
Here's an article from the Pictou Advocate

http://www.pictouadvocate.com/
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 21, 2011, 12:13:07 AM
Thanks for the update much appreciated.  Wondering are you from the area.  Are the police still doing physical searches? 

Sad  Happy Birthday, hope you have a wonderful birthday.

Praying that today is the day Amber is found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:45:36 AM
eyeswideopen .....yes, I am from the area. They were still searching the area near Amber and Mason's residence today.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:48:39 AM
capeheart .....I personally know people who have and do work as a contractor at Michelin and they have never had a company vehicle.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 04:59:17 AM
I am guessing he has got something to do with her missing. Was he involved or not I have no idea but I am sure he know something.

Eh? First you guess he has something do with her going missing. Then you have no idea if he was involved. Finally you're sure he knows something.

And before you accuse me of reading into your posts take some time and read what you have written again. You are the one who chose your words and you bear the responsibility for how those words come across. It's a simple concept, really. There is no "reading in" to what you just said, it's pretty obvious.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 21, 2011, 05:32:37 AM
I am sure everyone has there own thoughts on what happened on that night.  It really doesn't matter who thinks what, we are all here because of the same thing.  Amber is missing and we would all like to see her found.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 06:26:10 AM
"QUOTE fron catakil" People won't bother posting anymore because they feel they are bullied off the site, and that's NOT right.   

Totally agree with that. I've Heard of internet bullying and didn't know what it was untill I came to this website. However, now it seems that most are in the stage of acceptance that the disappearance of Amber has taken place and things on this site have settled down some. With that I am sure the admin's Debbie and Chris will notice who continues to be not such a nice guest.

http://www.pictouadvocate.com/  .....I posted this a few hours ago. Confrims some of the things shared on this site.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 06:30:40 AM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-20/article-2781781/Divers-continue-search-for-evidence-in-case-of-missing-Pictou-County-teen/1  .....this is an update on the search from yesterday.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 06:48:57 AM
I am happy to see it is another beautiful and unusually warm day here in PC...... great for the SAR teams.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 06:50:35 AM
I am happy to see it is another beautiful and unusually warm day here in PC...... great for the SAR teams.

My sentiments exactly.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 06:51:34 AM
"QUOTE fron catakil" People won't bother posting anymore because they feel they are bullied off the site, and that's NOT right.   

Totally agree with that. I've Heard of internet bullying and didn't know what it was untill I came to this website. However, now it seems that most are in the stage of acceptance that the disappearance of Amber has taken place and things on this site have settled down some. With that I am sure the admin's Debbie and Chris will notice who continues to be not such a nice guest.

http://www.pictouadvocate.com/  .....I posted this a few hours ago. Confrims some of the things shared on this site.

I'm sorry, but I've got a really hard time finding any examples of bullying here. Debate, yes. Heated debate at times, sure. Bullying though? Responding to posts with a dissenting view and backing up said view is NOT bullying.

Standard definitions of bullying involve coercion, threats, physical or verbal abuse, and so on. While I have seen some folks here use what might possibly, by a sensitive sort, be construed as a verbal attack of sorts that would be it and it was certainly in the minority, unless there are some deleted posts you are referring to, which would be outside of my knowledge.

It is a gorgeous day. Any day without wind, rain, snow, mud, etc. is good for searchers.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 21, 2011, 06:55:43 AM
It is a gorgeous day.....praying that today is the day:)   Love reading your posts Nish:) 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 07:29:15 AM
EJP, I did not mean that you were not giving information to anyone, I just wanted to give a heads up to anyone out there that knew anything that they maybe keeping Amber from being found. If that many people were around that night, somebody knows something. And I guess we just have to let the chips fall where they may. At least we have a fine day today and I hope that Amber is found and that we are not looking at another cold case. Thanks for your information, keep us in touch of anything new that may be released from the police reports. :o :o :o :o :o

Catakil, I did see a post where it said Amber was seen, and I did not know that was taken off the site and deleted. It would be good to know who posted that comment, it would be a serious crime to lead the police off the investigation if it was a lie. Some people might think that is some kind of a joke, but nobody is laughing. Chris would know who put that post on here and unless he deleted it, only the person that posted it can. :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 07:36:15 AM
...and all just because some simply doesn't like what is being said. Like lost said, "grow a thicker skin".


When you have an open forum like this, where family members and friends of the victim's can peruse all comments. It is disrespectful, CRASS and arrogant to make posts that are not completely confirmed as fact.  It all comes down to the ways in which you post said comments.   There is a difference between "opinions" and making allegations based on hearsay.  I do believe this is why posts are removed.  Not because someone's skin is not "thick enough".   Opinions based on facts are not a problem, at least for me, but those based on ignorance are, and many references to rumor and hearsay have been quoted in this forum as fact, and opinions are being formed based on it.  I'd rather have an educated discussion rather than a blind argument.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 07:39:22 AM
When you have an open forum like this, where family members and friends of the victim's can peruse all comments. It is disrespectful, CRASS and arrogant to make posts that are not completely confirmed as fact.  It all comes down to the ways in which you post said comments.   There is a difference between "opinions" and making allegations based on hearsay.  I do believe this is why posts are removed.  Not because someone's skin is not "thick enough".   Opinions based on facts are not a problem, at least for me, but those based on ignorance are, and many references to rumor and hearsay have been quoted in this forum as fact, and opinions are being formed based on it.  I'd rather have an educated discussion rather than a blind argument.

Oh man, I wish I could, like, send you some beer or something. This is pretty much what I have been trumpeting for days now and glad to see someone post it so eloquently, more eloquently than I could muster. Cheers.

You know, I was going to offer some insight into why I post the way that I do...but I see that it would be a fruitless exercise and I am not about those.

Catakill, you do not have to read, or respond to, my posts. I stand by my opinions and the only one now throwing accusations around is you. I'll feel free to respond to what I see fit to.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 07:49:38 AM
This forum is not about arguing. People come on to give opinions of what may have happened. I have never seen so many comments on a thread in so few days. We are now up to 72 pages and a lot of it is bickering between certain individuals. This is not what this site is about. And most of you are new and have never been here. Some of us are here for four years and we are interested in getting justice for the victim. That is all this is about. It is not to dump on someone else's opinion. Feel free to give an opinion, but accept someone else's. That is all I have to say about that. We just want Amber found, we want justice for Amber. We want to know where Amber is and that the person responsible is in handcuffs, that is all we want. So we are all working to the same solution. Prayers once again for those who are working so hard to find Amber. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 07:51:14 AM
Capeheart .....remember at the very beginning of Amber missing, there was a fake police web page. On that page it stated Amber was seen at the Needs store with the man..... I read it myself. Not sure when Mason had it on his FB but if he saw it on that fake web page he may have tought it was true and deleted it off his FB when he found out it was a fake site.  Just I thought .....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 07:54:26 AM
fromPC, yes, that could be. But someone deleted it from this thread and the only one that can do that is our administrator or the person who posted it. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 07:58:47 AM
capeheart ....sorry the post re: FB and the Needs store was for you
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 08:00:23 AM
LOL .....I mean the post was for catakil.  I mst be very tired today ...
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 08:04:40 AM
catakil ...there are many good folks in PC. They certainly pull tongether during times like this.

I think I will be going to get a new keyboard this one has pop on it and buttons ar stickig very annoing to see the letters not showing up.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 08:12:26 AM
I did har the police know .....however the stated in an article they would be loking into it but focusing on Amber at this pont.


Gong to ge a new kyboard ......back later
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 08:16:19 AM
I am going to try, very carefully, to point out the flaws that I see in this statement.

Now...if the person people suspected of Ambers disappearance were some pervert from Alberta I'm sure many of you nay sayers would be on the "hang him high" bandwagon.

Speaking only for myself, no I would not.

Quote
Don't you realize that you are emotionally charged and are not being reasonable?

One could ask you the same question. I haven't allowed emotion to come into play as of yet and likely won't, I have nothing invested in this but interest.

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Instead, whenever one person makes one sentence where they refer to a fact that could possibly infer that Ambers boyfriend may be involved you get all defensive and rip what is said apart. That is so obvious throughout this whole thread, right from the beginning.

That is called debate. I've said it numerous times: I do not enjoy the way some of the posts have come across and chose to debate such. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Nish

Edited for clarity
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 08:24:34 AM
Gong to ge a new kyboard ......back later

Get a Mac. I am a recent convert and life is soooooo much easier.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Hi Folks,

I am sure this must be hard on this town and the people who know the girl or her boyfriend. I hope we can hold our judgment on what happened at this time.

The police are not warning the public to be vigilant, which means they probably already know what happened and are convinced of it.

Searching the vehicle of the BF may have just been routine, it may not have. No one knows thus far.

But I think almost all of us agree, the police are working on this, seem to have evidence and a working theory and we should all know in short order as I feel they will make an arrest, or if not, make a statement with more details.

It is difficult for the mods here to keep having to deal with angry people, even if they end up being right, I hope y'all can appreciate that. Thanks.

I have quoted Chris's (admin, for those of you that are unaware) post above regarding this thread.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
This forum has certainly gotten boring. You can't say anything before someone jumps all over your post. Nothing is being said as slander, just trying to put together what happened to Amber. Someone commented that they found black shoes. Well just look at the picture in the paper and you can see its a black shoe. Time to relax here and stop being so critical over every post.

I think it's pretty clear to most that have been posting here, what is not allowed. That would be naming someone who has not been found guilty of anything.

Trying to figure things out is alright. We are all intelligent enough to understand that some of it is speculation. Most times a poster will say 'they wonder if something could have happened". We do not want to curb all the ideas that people have, or their desire to speak at all.

In the beginning of this thread some posts that were hateful, or had crossed the line of what is allowed, were removed. That type of posting has pretty much stopped, and things have become a lot calmer on this thread.

If someone crosses the line in a post admin will let them know.

I have re-posted one of my own posts regarding this thread. I am also admin, for those of you that are unaware. 

This thread will not be permitted to deteriorate into an argument.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
There was just a news release related to the case. "The police have released the video of 19 year old Amber Kirwan Leaving Dooely's  headed toward big Al's" They are hoping this will generate new leads.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
Video released by police of Amber leaving Doolys. 

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-21/video-2783615/Police-release-surveillance-video-of-Kirwan/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 11:16:43 AM
Video released by police of Amber leaving Doolys. 

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-21/video-2783615/Police-release-surveillance-video-of-Kirwan/1

almost exactly after she crosses the street a car turns to follow. There is a police car kitty corner, but if she got into the car willingly, they would not pay any attention...

does she start running after she crosses the street or is it just me?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:17:43 AM
Thanks ng guy. Seeing her in that picture makes me sad :'( I think this is showing her walking toward the group of friends to tell them she was leaving.... I hope they show the entire video on the news tonight.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:18:04 AM
TY for the update .......to bad we couldn't see the whole video. Someone may recognize a vehicle or something, but it is hard to see detail.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
I edited my post, video is now posted.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:20:39 AM
Video released by police of Amber leaving Doolys. 

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-21/video-2783615/Police-release-surveillance-video-of-Kirwan/1

almost exactly after she crosses the street a car turns to follow. There is a police car kitty corner, but if she got into the car willingly, they would not pay any attention...


Thanks again. Very errie.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Video released by police of Amber leaving Doolys.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-21/article-2783615/Police-release-surveillance-video-of-Kirwan/1

I was really hoping that any tips they had received so far would have led them to this young lady.  This is more disturbing to me....the fact that the police were RIGHT there.  They should have released the video from Big Al's in conjunction to this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:23:35 AM
OMG ......my heart is breaking ....actually crying. Please tell me that was not a poice car to the left?? If it was ....soooo close to her ..OMG!!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:24:24 AM
Police car I mean ......
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 11:24:54 AM
You know, seeing that video has me changing my tune on my previous belief that we do not need to be a nation on camera much like the UK.

I travel to Scotland every other month for work and sometimes spend quite a bit of time in the central part of the country, in a town about the size of Antigonish. There is virtually nowhere you can go in the main areas of that town where you are not on camera at some point and these cameras are not owned/manned by shop owners/business people, they are monitored and run by the police. In larger cities, especially in bar districts, there is even more camera coverage and they have been instrumental in catching some pretty high profile criminals.

I know for a fact that my walk from my favourite pub to the flat I stay in is covered about 90% by cameras and there is a route I could take where I'd be covered 100%.

While cameras might not prevent an incident from occurring they most certainly would offer more information.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
I had a feeling that the leads they were following may have been tips from rumours. I think they are stumped at this point without any hard evidence. I agree it is disturbing.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 11:29:21 AM
It does seem like Amber was walking with purpose, not dilly-dallying along.  And it does look like she says a quick good night to friends.
 Once the car comes into the video we lose track of Amber....(but that does not mean that car had anything to do with her disappearance,) the video seems to stop and then when it starts up again we just see no one....not even the car taillights.   
I think the video was edited.

You young ones with the young eyes, does it look to you that Amber is wearing black shoes?   Does it look like the car had brakes on?  Or can you tell?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 11:32:23 AM
It is sad the Police car was that close, but they would probably be more interested in the group mulling out front of Dooleys.

 This might be a good learning lesson for Police to actually take a closer look at the lone person leaving....especially a female.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:33:11 AM
TY again NGguy ....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:35:16 AM


She does have dark shoes on. Black/navy blue can't say for sure. Her missing person poster says she was wearing black flats. The car break lights did come on. (but there is a yeild sign for traffic coming around that corner so that could explain the break lights.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:39:14 AM
I can imagine it would be so very hard for them to watch everything. Yes, the club would have been the priority. I can just imagine how terrible the officers felt when they first saw this video. With all the drinking and driving that goes on I am sure someone walking may not be at the top of their priority ....not to mention the fights that break out when club time is over.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 11:44:16 AM
Understandable, when club time is over the main thing the Cops are probably concerned with is impaired driving and fights...I didn't mean to come across as negative to the Cops, if I did.   Seems to me they are going non-stop.  I am sure they all want the truth too.

Holly, I tend to think the opposite, I think there will be more answers by next week. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
It looks as though the car stopped, but I think it's the video itself coming to a stop.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:46:38 AM
I think your right pc (that the video ended) if they can confirm the shoe they found to be hers it was only about 20 feet from where she moves out of the camera. You would think that car would have at least seen something? Maybe they already talked to whoever owns the car though.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
The video seems to stop.....start again with No lights, no Amber.......edited???

Do you see that?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:47:40 AM
jobo ...you didn't at all come across negative.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:50:34 AM
I'll watch again jobo ...I didn't notice before
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
Understandable, when club time is over the main thing the Cops are probably concerned with is impaired driving and fights...I didn't mean to come across as negative to the Cops, if I did.   Seems to me they are going non-stop.  I am sure they all want the truth too.

Holly, I tend to think the opposite, I think there will be more answers by next week.

Jobo, I don't know what to think. I really don't get any of it. Probably because I don't have all the facts though. I really thought that they knew where the investigation was going by now. Does the release of the tape mean they have no idea? Or that they need more evidence? They are still saying it is a missing persons case though. So does that mean they don't have any evidence to say that it is anything other than that? Very confusing and scary. I just want my kids to feel safe again. :'(
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 21, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
Oh my what a chilling picture. It looks like a black car turned up right behind her. They said earlier  that the bf was at doolys in a black car at 1am. The police were right there as well. Oh my how she went missing in such a short time frame. I guess police cars don't all have video equipment in them  Too bad because their camera would have shown all the way up that street.
Looks like she might have gotten in a car willingly or grabbed and lost her shoe maybe? If that was the case there had to be more than 1 person.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 21, 2011, 11:54:58 AM
There is a reason the police wanted the public to see this video. Why?

maybe they are hoping someone see's that car at teh end of the video? Did that car stop and talk to Amber briefly before turning? I don't know.

BUt I do suspect the police are hoping someone out there is able to confirm something they already know or something like that.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:55:21 AM
To me it seems to just come to a stop. ...but I am not good at these things. My hubby does all kinds of work with video ....he'll be back soon and watch the video. I did notice her feet look light colored ....is that just me or the lighting in the video?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
The video seems to stop.....start again with No lights, no Amber.......edited???

Do you see that?

What I see with the lights is two possibilities:

a.) That car is stopping beside the walking female, whom we are assuming is Amber.. technically I couldnt tell till I watched it a second time who I thought might be her. When I come off a stop or a yield my foot is on the gas not the brakes and this car was on the brakes.

b.) this car may have spotted the PC and been nervous and for that reason had their foot on the brakes.

The disappearing act as far as I can tell is not an edit but infact is the video dropping back to a frame in the middle of the video as the Taxi behind the PC dissapears as well.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
True Chris and my eyes are hurting I am looking so hard. Good thing it is a police car on the other side and we only have one vehicle to focus on.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 11:59:51 AM
Oh my what a chilling picture. It looks like a black car turned up right behind her. They said earlier  that the bf was at doolys in a black car at 1am. The police were right there as well. Oh my how she went missing in such a short time frame. I guess police cars don't all have video equipment in them  Too bad because their camera would have shown all the way up that street.
Looks like she might have gotten in a car willingly or grabbed and lost her shoe maybe? If that was the case there had to be more than 1 person.

The police car may have had a dash cam however the cameras only have about an hour of memory in them so every half hour 30 minutes of data gets written over. Give or take I forget what the roll over rate is on them but it is either half hour or hour and Amber was reported missing well after that cars camera would have over written.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:01:55 PM
GSAR_Mbr  .....good observations and thoughts ....I did notice the car come around the corner quick so maybe it did break due to ploice.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 12:04:06 PM
Well fromPC...I thought the same about the light colour feet, but I don't profess to know for sure....we need a consensus.  Maybe Amber's shoes are of the material that would pick up light?

Perhaps all the young people in the Video have not been spoken to yet by the Cops, and by releasing it those kids might see themself, and come forward....or what you say Chris.

Thanks for some clarification on the video!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
Something else I just realized .....the police car can not turn left there (no left turn any more) so that means it continued with Amber up the street until it can take the turn back through town or went straight towards Trenton .....so that really cuts down the area and time Amber could have been taken. I am sure it would not have been done right infront of police.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
GSAR_Mbr  .....good observations and thoughts ....I did notice the car come around the corner quick so maybe it did break due to ploice.

Amber also drops out of frame... could be the car called out to her and she kept going when recognizing the driver OR simply a cross walk off frame. The car speeding up plays both theories cause it could have ripped off the stop to catch up to Amber too.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 21, 2011, 12:10:49 PM
CataKil:   You were asking about the fake police FB site earlier.

There is an article in the Pictou Advocate titled: Facebook site shut down.

It was a 15 paragraph article ....Some information stated in the article: 

"It was an unofficial site and has since been disabled," explains Const. (name of officer here) with New Glasgow Police Service. He said the site was shut down after NGPS made an application to Facebook to have it disabled as it was not official.

"Our Internet Child Exploitation Unit is looking at the issue," says
(officer's name here). "Someone established a site pretending to be someone else and there are charges under the criminal code for that and we are investigating."

I apologize if this has already been posted. I did not find it online. I read it in the paper.

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 12:13:06 PM
If you look very carefully at the top right hand corner of the screen as amber becomes a blur. I seems like she might stop walking as that car comes around the corner? But I guess the video keeps going and the police would have seen that. One other thought is, the police car could have cut across and turned right to go up the Hill? looked to me like they were just parked there?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 12:14:37 PM
If you look very carefully at the top right hand corner of the screen as amber becomes a blur. I seems like she might stop walking as that car comes around the corner? But I guess the video keeps going and the police would have seen that. One other thought is, the police car could have cut across and turned right to go up the Hill? looked to me like they were just parked there?

If you watch closely the police stop to talk to two Subjects standing on the curb as they pull up. Or so I see in my mind
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 12:17:51 PM
Okay, I had to watch this for about four times before I knew which one was Amber. I did see her walk away and she walked right around the corner, but as soon as she did a vehicle drove out from the right side of the video. Could Amber have gotten in that car?? Or was she just in a parking lot when she turned the corner. Could she have been grabbed into a vehicle quickly, it would have to be very quick,  because it was only seconds before the car drove off. And yes, I did think the police car was parked there for a couple of seconds. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
If you look very carefully at the top right hand corner of the screen as amber becomes a blur. I seems like she might stop walking as that car comes around the corner? But I guess the video keeps going and the police would have seen that. One other thought is, the police car could have cut across and turned right to go up the Hill? looked to me like they were just parked there?

If you watch closely the police stop to talk to two Subjects standing on the curb as they pull up. Or so I see in my mind

Now that I did watch that side of the camera closer i do see the two people. But now I am thinking that the police stopped because the light at that intersection is red. Then they would have had to go straight instead of right like I thought earlier. Somehow I forgot that there were lights at that intersection. oOPS.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: teachlove on October 21, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
GSAR_Mbr: Have not seen you here in a few days. When you have time ...could you please read my posts. Part of my first post was referring to you. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Chris on October 21, 2011, 12:22:20 PM
Does anyone know what kind of car her boyfriend drove? Just want to make sure that is in fact not his car.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 21, 2011, 12:24:50 PM
Not sure on the make, but I know it's a red car.  It was on the news the night they reported that they seized it.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 12:25:11 PM
Does anyone know what kind of car her boyfriend drove? Just want to make sure that is in fact not his car.

Not sure what kind... It is red though. wouldn't the police have known it was his or not? or do you think maybe they couldn't tell?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:27:43 PM
Another observation about if the car was breaking or not .....if you look you can see the third break light in the window come on.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 12:28:47 PM
Another observation about if the car was breaking or not .....if you look you can see the third break light in the window come on.

I agree. The more I look at it the more it looks like that car stopped by her.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 12:30:46 PM
Chris .....on CTV news there is a clip of Mason talking to media and his car is in the background .....you may be able to find the clip on their site.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 12:31:05 PM
To my mind that car did break.
About the shoes.  Her left  foot looks like a bare foot, and the black shoe is on the right foot.  Note;  She is slightly limping. Maybe that shoe was bothering her and although we cannot see her left hand, she may have been carrying that shoe in her left hand.
Have a look and see what you think. I have had to do that many a time, especially with new shoes and up dancing.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 12:32:52 PM
I just watched the video again and made it as large as I can, but after Amber went around the corner and she crossed the street and kept going, the car I believe hauled into the side of the road, because it looked like it hauled over. The video stops there as well, so it is hard to say for sure, but definitely looks like it hauled over. That is my impression of looking at it several times.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 12:35:09 PM
Cape, mine too.  As it sorta fish tailed a bit to make that stop, and that is exactly where Amber was.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 12:39:19 PM
Ya, her left foot is bare, no shoe.  Rhe right foot has a black shoe on it.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 12:41:35 PM
As soon as I finally figured out which one was Amber, the first thing that caught my eye (as JB noticed) bare feet!  I've done that after getting sore feet with those little black flats.  They feel great at first, but after a while they get too tight or something.  I've always figured it is because they don't go very far on the instep, so you buy the exact fit to keep them on. 

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 21, 2011, 12:44:19 PM
I am reading on here and on facebook at the same time.  They comments on fb state that you cannot turn left at the set of lights that the cop is stopped at.  He would of had to go right, meaning that he would of drove right past her.  I am not familiar with the area?  Can someone who is familiar with that area confirm this?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 12:46:25 PM
Lost, it looks like just the left foot was bare. Did you know that the left foot is usually slightly larger than our right?
She may have been carrying it in her left hand in front of her.
Police did find a black shoe, from what I gather, right around the point where the video stops, (one posters observation whom I think knows that area well.)  (Post is further up).
The car that stopped was not the cop car to my mind. I believe the cop car was still sitting.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 12:48:52 PM
I am reading on here and on facebook at the same time.  They comments on fb state that you cannot turn left at the set of lights that the cop is stopped at.  He would of had to go right, meaning that he would of drove right past her.  I am not familiar with the area?  Can someone who is familiar with that area confirm this?

correct, no left turn.
The police car would have had to turn right, or go straight.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 12:49:26 PM

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.

This is what it looks like to me too!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 12:50:03 PM
Good eyes!!  I knew you posters would help to get the feet down pat!....I thought Amber seemed to limp a touch too.  I also thought she was carrying something.  She seemed in a hurry.

 It's amazing what I have missed, after reading some posts here, but I was totally concentrating on Amber....now I'll go back and check out the Cop car better and the red light and such.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 21, 2011, 12:54:04 PM

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.

This is what it looks like to me too!

Could it have been that she started to run halfway across because she seen that car coming?  That's what my impression on it was.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 12:56:22 PM

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.

This is what it looks like to me too!

Could it have been that she started to run halfway across because she seen that car coming?  That's what my impression on it was.

To me it looks like she continues to run. Just what I see, it may not be the case.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 12:59:20 PM
JB... it looks as though the video is "not quite accurate" insofar as it seems to have been edited.  With that in mind, (and I have in mind that the editing may have altered her actions by seconds - I'm not savy in that department, but I have often noticed this happens when you start cutting frames out)

I am wondering if she (as I've done before) kind of bent down just behind that second crowd ..... just enough for slip her left shoe back on?? :-\  that would take her 1 sec. .... that's all it takes me; and I'm old and slower than her, but I can do it without losing a step.  It also appears that she was quite soberly moving.  ....also, keeping in mind that seconds of frames may be missing (for example: if LE took out a frame that has a car in it or something) .... just hypothesising on that!  ... but it looks to me that she kept on walking up that hill after crossing the street.  Am I crazy seeing that?  Was it someone else?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: natesgirl1977 on October 21, 2011, 01:01:35 PM
Doesn't show enough of the tape to see further activity of the car closest to Kirwan.  The cop may have been at a red light and they last longer than it would have for Kirwan to disappear.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 01:05:38 PM
Also.... since we are getting a little more accurate without feeling foolish about what we think we see  ::)  I clearly noticed her limping ... exactly like myself when I wore those shoes at a wedding dance 2 months ago .... I came out limping, and took one off before I even got to my car... my left foot was actually skinned... lol!

...and did anybody else notice that as soon as she stepped out of Doolys, she looked as though there was supposed to be someone waiting there for her.... she didn't see them, so she took off walking~?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 01:08:17 PM
Yes, she was looking around, and did look at the red car parked outside Dooley's but she kept on going.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Mystified on October 21, 2011, 01:14:18 PM

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.

This is what it looks like to me too!

Could it have been that she started to run halfway across because she seen that car coming?  That's what my impression on it was.


That was my impression too.  If the cars were stopped for a red light she would have been crossing against the lights seen the car coming down the hill and ran to get across the street.  In the final frame, I can see the car and her still on the sidewalk, if something happened I think it would have had to occur once she turned the corner.  And yes, that is a one way street, the cops are in the straight lane so they would have drove straight and probably then took the turn to go back through downtown. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: kimvan on October 21, 2011, 01:17:43 PM
The thing that stands out to me is.......look at the video again. There is a car that is at the top of the road by the Elks club. It takes the turn.......but it NEVER goes does down the street!

Just as the video starts....left hand side right at the top!
Does anyone else see this?

Are you talking about the car that goes up the road just before she crosses? 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 01:19:46 PM
I can't tell, Event Girl...I thought the car carried on.   I do see the lights of the other car coming around the corner just as Amber seems to be finishing crossing the street.  I can see them coming into view (glare) on the road.   I see the 3rd brake light come on the car that comes around the corner....but at the very end I think I still see Amber.   ?

I also saw her kindof stop and have a look when she first came out the door.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Taking It All In on October 21, 2011, 01:20:21 PM
Hello Everybody...I have been following this forum since day one and glad to see it back on track as opposed to reading arguements for hours.

If you check the video on http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/21/ns-amber-kirwan-security-still.html they have also released a separtate picture. Is this Amber calling for I ride I wonder?  Looks like the time is 12:30am and she is facing the opposite direction as to the way she is seen walking in the video.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 01:28:54 PM

I also saw her kindof stop and have a look when she first came out the door.

she is already outside at the start of the video?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 21, 2011, 01:32:35 PM
I missed it somewhere.  Does any one know where these videos came from,  was it the Bar cause the angle is kind of funny for a bar.  Or was the video take from a police care.  Any one know
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 01:34:20 PM
The thing that stands out to me is.......look at the video again. There is a car that is at the top of the road by the Elks club. It takes the turn.......but it NEVER goes does down the street!

Just as the video starts....left hand side right at the top!
Does anyone else see this?

From the vantage point of the camera, the road turns and the elks club would block the view of the taillights up trenton road.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/21/ns-amber-kirwan-security-still.html
Police are asking anyone who may have been near or in Dooly's that night, or anyone who may have seen any suspicious activity in the area of Dooly's before or after Kirwan disappeared to contact them at 902-752-1941.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
Finally got a chance to watch the video a couple of times. It appears to me that Amber does have something in her right hand, It could be the shoe that everyone is wondering about, but could possibly be a wallet or something? It is not all that clear. My guess is shoe, as well. I also think she is limping a little, but could just have that walk. It appears she is intent on where she is going, even when she first begins walking. It seems she has purpose. It looks to me like she runs across the road, possibly due to approaching cars. As she goes into the distance I'm not sure if she is running or walking fast.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 01:38:21 PM
I missed it somewhere.  Does any one know where these videos came from,  was it the Bar cause the angle is kind of funny for a bar.  Or was the video take from a police care.  Any one know

(http://i55.tinypic.com/vh5glg.jpg)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
I also thought she looked bare feet or foot ....but then thought maybe it was her ankles as she does have leggings on, and yes I also thought she looked to be not walking so comfortable.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 01:44:43 PM
GSAR_Mbr: Have not seen you here in a few days. When you have time ...could you please read my posts. Part of my first post was referring to you. Thanks. :)

Will do I have been trying to keep up between 17 hour work days!! I will check and reply within the hour!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 01:45:59 PM
Debbie ...what do you think of the break light in the back window .....Can you see it on?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 01:50:32 PM
I am not Debbie, but I certainly see it on.  Also, before it turns the corner, I thought the car may be red. Hard to tell, perhaps it was the night lights on the car, but just for a split second, I though the car was red.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: ng.guy on October 21, 2011, 01:53:33 PM
notice the people she is talking to, the 3 people at the bottom of the screen, seem to have said something quick, then the 2 people leave a second after amber turns and leaves

it looks like the guy in the white keeps looking back at the 2 that just left and isnt focusing on the 2 conversating with him.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: sad333 on October 21, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
Someone had posted on here that mc was seen outside Doolys in a black car with some friends. That was at 1am so maybe thats the black car that turns just after she crosses the street. Not sure what to believe anymore because it was also said he left friends at home to go and get her. Its back a few posts. The police car looks like it backs up again. She does look like she has sore feet. I know my grandaughter and her friends buy these cheap shoes and after a few hours have to take them off because they hurt their feet.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 01:58:20 PM
Couple of notes.. there are two video feeds please note which one we are talking about at different times cause one shows more than the other close to doolys and the other shows more further up.

CORRECTION: Police did stop at the red light NOT at the 2 people. My error.

YES she appears barefoot on the left  for sure.

RED Vehicle: I dont think she so much looks at it as glances over her shoulder towards that direction looking at cars/traffic
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 01:59:12 PM
She could have been tipsy as well.

I am not trying to read anything into the video as there is nothing I can offer.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 01:59:41 PM
I do remember the black car post about MC. But the poster said someone told me that someone told them... so rumour i guess.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 21, 2011, 02:00:45 PM
NG thanks for the camera location,  help put it in prosective for me.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
GSAR_Mbr: Have not seen you here in a few days. When you have time ...could you please read my posts. Part of my first post was referring to you. Thanks. :)

Can you please link which ones by quoting what I should looking at. Dont want to miss it!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 02:02:59 PM
The cbc video is the better of the two.  It is clearer.  The car that went up the street beside Amber looks brown or copper coloured, not red as I had said earlier, but then i was watching a pictou county release, not cbc.
Does anyone else see the colour?
Put your screen on full, and I think you can see it better.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:07:43 PM
The cbc video is the better of the two.  It is clearer.  The car that went up the street beside Amber looks brown or copper coloured, not red as I had said earlier, but then i was watching a pictou county release, not cbc.
Does anyone else see the colour?

JB

Didnt note color will recheck but I had a buddy just look he agrees amber appears to be speeeding her walk up.

Now what do you guys see about this:

Headlights of the NG News video for the car which is believed to pull up beside her. It is NOT at the lights when the cop car stops but it almost comes to a complete stop(as if yielding on the green) a few times. To me its like they were checking out something.

To whomever posted about middle brake light what I am seeing is a reflection of what I would think is the red stop light.. granted if this is a 1 way street as suggested that blows that theory but could be a Amber Street light? I know in NB our street lights vary between clear and orange/amber.

Thought?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 02:08:52 PM
jellybean can you give me the link to cbc video ...TY
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
Amber on the phone:  .... I see her as "pacing" ... as if "impatient".  This is just my perception.  If I'm on a cell phone, I stand in one place; on the other hand, I notice that my brother paces while on the phone if he is agitated.  The more annoyed he is, the more aggressive he paces.  So one would have to know Amber's temperament/habits to ascertain this.  No doubt LE look at this also, since they have people who can accurately read body language.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
The cbc video is the better of the two.  It is clearer.  The car that went up the street beside Amber looks brown or copper coloured, not red as I had said earlier, but then i was watching a pictou county release, not cbc.
Does anyone else see the colour?
Put your screen on full, and I think you can see it better.

JB

Using the same buddy working with me who knows nothing about this file or cars to do with it he first said Silver and then realized that was pixelation.. his final answer with out any suggestions was Red... I also figured it to be red.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:11:24 PM
jellybean can you give me the link to cbc video ...TY

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/21/ns-amber-kirwan-security-still.html
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
ngguy: My bad choice of words.   Amber does not stop as she is coming out the door.   The Video starts with her in a crowd of friends talking...she leaves but hesitates and looks to her left then walks to her right....says a quick good bye to another group of friends and carries on across the road.   At least that is what I see.

 Nish, In my eyes Amber is walking at a fair pace, not too many tipsy people do that, they are usually struggling.

Welcome TakingItAllIn....glad to see you ended up joining now that we are onto productive talk again.

P.s....I pace all the time whilst on the phone..;)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 02:12:04 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/21/ns-amber-kirwan-security-still.html

cbc video link, posted originally from another poster.  The colour may be brown in this video, in the other one, it looked red. But this video does show the colour. Red or Brown??

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 02:14:06 PM
GSAR_Mbr ....no amber light that I can recall. At the same time as the light in the window it looks as though the car lights become brighter ....possibly breaks??

I can imagine the traffic on that route tonight ....people checking some of these things out.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
PC, kind of a reinactment?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
Amber on the phone:  .... I see her as "pacing" ... as if "impatient".  This is just my perception.  If I'm on a cell phone, I stand in one place; on the other hand, I notice that my brother paces while on the phone if he is agitated.  The more annoyed he is, the more aggressive he paces.  So one would have to know Amber's temperament/habits to ascertain this.  No doubt LE look at this also, since they have people who can accurately read body language.

Time Stamp is 12:50 it also appears in my opinion since I used to work at bars in a small town that there is a scene going on in the upper right hand corner... a ring of people come on? And Amber is walking away from that on the phone..

Is she the type of person to call into Police if something illegal is occuring? Could she have called in a fight and pissed off someone?

They are all looking at something up there crowded looking inwards. Guy in the Yellow and Blue/Green stripped shirt is also looking up there. as if "Hey wait what is going on" with his head cocked.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 02:22:54 PM
Would that not be the time she'd be calling Mason to come get her?  Was the time she used the phone ever established?   Could it be 12:50 when she called?  (I cannot, at this point go through 79 pages.)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 02:24:59 PM
JB .....checking to see how the lights are set up etc. Not sure if you are from here, but that whole area has just changed. The lights are set up differant and which way you can turn etc. all changed. For example the police car is in the lane that only allows you to go straight (same way Amber is going) but before in that lane you had to turn left. People are not totally familiar yet with the new set up. I myself am having trouble trying to remember where all the lights are now.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 02:29:57 PM
If there was fight or something else, I cannot see anyone calling the police because the police, as far as know, are always around when the bars empty because of that reason ....here in PC that is.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:32:18 PM
Amber on the phone:  .... I see her as "pacing" ... as if "impatient".  This is just my perception.  If I'm on a cell phone, I stand in one place; on the other hand, I notice that my brother paces while on the phone if he is agitated.  The more annoyed he is, the more aggressive he paces.  So one would have to know Amber's temperament/habits to ascertain this.  No doubt LE look at this also, since they have people who can accurately read body language.

Time Stamp is 12:50 it also appears in my opinion since I used to work at bars in a small town that there is a scene going on in the upper right hand corner... a ring of people come on? And Amber is walking away from that on the phone..

Is she the type of person to call into Police if something illegal is occuring? Could she have called in a fight and pissed off someone?

They are all looking at something up there crowded looking inwards. Guy in the Yellow and Blue/Green stripped shirt is also looking up there. as if "Hey wait what is going on" with his head cocked.
Another staff member also said again with no leading:

Red for the car color and the crowd he picked fight which is also my gut instinct..

Amber looks to her left then heads right.. this is when the cop car is pulling up. Maybe she called in a fight or something, sees the cops pulling up and starts to walk away. The car has one of the people the cops are looking for in it. If the crowd isnt there when the cop gets there that could explain why he was continuing to drive by??

fromPC I worked Bars with cops that are always watched by cops and it still happens, unless we know it didnt happen its hard to say.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 02:35:22 PM
I just see a crowd of people down at the end of the street.But you may be right. They may be looking at something or listening to something.
What interests me is the time frame.  Here we have Amber on the sidewalk at 12:30. Was that when she called her bf to pick her up?  Bcause her gf said that she left at 1:30 to meet him at Big Al's. She used her gf phone as she left hers at home.  Did she have to go outside for better reception? What time does it show her actually leaving the bar?

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
I interpreted Amber as having to "round" the second bunch of people because they took up most of the sidewalk;  so she steps "right" as soon as she has room to (at that point she disappears  ..behind them for a second) at which point I wondered did she bend a bit to throw on the other shoe in order to walk faster.  (she certainly was in a hurry imo.)  I can't really tell but does she still have one shoe off after she got past that group?

Also, nobody answered my question about when she crossed the street:  it looked to me that after she got by the street lamp/lights (disappears for a second due to light reflection or the post in the way ..... then .... isn't it her still walking forward on Provost?  Am I imagining that?  Will somebody please answer me.  If it wasn't her, then who was it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 02:37:56 PM
When I first seen the picture of her standing outside on the phone the time that is stamped on the picture to me looks like 12:50 that is the first thing that came to me but I could be wrong could be 12:30
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
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Also, nobody answered my question about when she crossed the street:  it looked to me that after she got by the street lamp/lights (disappears for a second due to light reflection or the post in the way ..... then .... isn't it her still walking forward on Provost?  Am I imagining that?  Will somebody please answer me.  If it wasn't her, then who was it?


Lost, I think it's still Amber as well.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 02:41:06 PM
I interpreted Amber as having to "round" the second bunch of people because they took up most of the sidewalk;  so she steps "right" as soon as she has room to (at that point she disappears  ..behind them for a second) at which point I wondered did she bend a bit to throw on the other shoe in order to walk faster.  (she certainly was in a hurry imo.)  I can't really tell but does she still have one shoe off after she got past that group?

Also, nobody answered my question about when she crossed the street:  it looked to me that after she got by the street lamp/lights (disappears for a second due to light reflection or the post in the way ..... then .... isn't it her still walking forward on Provost?  Am I imagining that?  Will somebody please answer me.  If it wasn't her, then who was it?

Thanks

She keeps going yes, steps behind the corner of the wall then keeps going.

And the time stamp is 1250 not 1230 guaranteed. the right top half is open whereas the left top half is closed on the digit.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 02:41:32 PM
yes I think it was her as well it looks like she disappears for a second and then you just see a black spot moving another second then to me it looks like the car does brake when I watched the video for the 4th time I looked at the back window of the car and all the lights even the window one come on at the same time bright like it was braking.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 02:43:24 PM

And the time stamp is 1250 not 1230 guaranteed. the right top half is open whereas the left top half is closed on the digit.

That is exactly what I thought when I first seen the time stamp 12:50 it looks  more like a 5 than a 3
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 02:45:56 PM
Is there only "one friend" who claims Amber borrowed her phone.  Do any others substantiate that? 

My old ...olddddd intuition feels something funny about the phone claims!  ....I'm sorry if that offends anybody ... I don't mean to.  It did seem as though she could have been "returning the phone" as opposed to saying a quick "see ya!" to the crowd.  ...if that's the case, that would have been a friend's phone she used there.  However, I keep getting "the creeps" about a phone claim being false.  Maybe it's to do with the BF... maybe he had taken her phone and claimed she left it at home.  No offense to him but it would be a little bit odd for a guy to fess up to taking his girl's phone because his was recharging or something.... then she ends up missing when she should have had a working phone with her.  just my old mind racing there  :P :-\

also; maybe the club doesn't bother to adjust their surveillance "clock" for daylight savings time.  I wonder? ...for sure LE would check that too.  I wish we knew half of what they know.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
Well, we always change our clocks by one hour.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: capeheart on October 21, 2011, 02:57:52 PM
I would say they change their clocks, because of their staff members and patrons wanting to know the time. Lost, she does continue on, disappears for a second at the corner and goes right on and yes, she does seem to be hurrying right along. I don't think she feels safe somehow or other, because she seems to be in a rush. But it looks like that car pulls over, the backup lights seem to be bright and it looks like it pulls over to the side of the road. Maybe the police can get the help of the FBI or someone that can enhance the video. Anything to find out who took Amber and what has happened to her.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 21, 2011, 03:00:21 PM

I also noticed she started running half way across the street.

This is what it looks like to me too!

Could it have been that she started to run halfway across because she seen that car coming?  That's what my impression on it was.

The street that Amber was crossing....appears she was in a hurry, probably to get across the street (as the street that is along the side door of Dooly's has a very steep hill if I remember corectly) as drivers often FLY down that hill.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
If she did have her phone she wouldn't have borrowed others. My understanding is, the individual whose phone she used, has talked with police and has remained quiet for fear of being accused of anything.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: myheartbreaks on October 21, 2011, 03:03:35 PM
we are all assuming that the cops didn't see the car up the road stopping, if we as untrained eyes can see it, then I am sure the cops ( who are trained in this kind of thing,) could have been the first thing they seen. also,  the cops would have asked the person who owned the car to step forward and let the cops know anything they might have seen that night,  The Police car that is there, is in the lane to go straight, he would have had to pass amber, so the other police involved in the case, would have questioned him, about maybe seeing her as he passed,  we don't know that answer, also if they think that someone who was driving a car that stopped on that road, may have picked her up, then why wouldn't they have stated that  "we believe that the car seen in the video, is the car we believe amber may have gotten into. " 
also, if she did have her shoe in her hand, she might have dropped it, and then who ever was driving the car said they were not stopping to go and get it, because the of the Police car about to head up the road.  they might not have wanted attention drawn to them, 
again I really wish i could clear this video up alot, and maybe make out a few more things that i would have liked to have seen better,

these are just some things about what i think about the tape and i do not wish to start anything, just sharing my thoughts.

( i agree with some on here, i stopped posting because some were jumping down my neck about comments i had made about the area, and my opinion on certain places in new glasgow, that I myself don't like and i was jumped on for "painting the town like it was a horrible place. when it was my own opinion )
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 03:08:25 PM
 myheartbreaks ..... "also,  the cops would have asked the person who owned the car to step forward and let the cops know anything they might have seen that night"

I think that's what they are doing right now .....this is first of this being released and police are asking for the public to look at it. Hopefully if it is some innocent person taking the turn they will recall and come forward.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: myheartbreaks on October 21, 2011, 03:10:12 PM
myheartbreaks ..... "also,  the cops would have asked the person who owned the car to step forward and let the cops know anything they might have seen that night"

I think that's what they are doing right now .....this is first of this being released and police are asking for the public to look at it. Hopefully if it is some innocent person taking the turn they will recall and come forward.

thanks I hope the person who driving the car, come forward with some new information. it might be the break they need to help find her.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 03:11:37 PM


( i agree with some on here, i stopped posting because some were jumping down my neck about comments i had made about the area, and my opinion on certain places in new glasgow, that I myself don't like and i was jumped on for "painting the town like it was a horrible place. when it was my own opinion )

If you're referring to my posts in response to yours then please do not characterize it as "jumping on you". You posted an opinion and I disagreed and explained why. There was no jumping whatsoever, please get over it.

I am worried about the timing of this video release, it suggest, at least to me, that there isn't much they have to go on.

Nish
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: myheartbreaks on October 21, 2011, 03:18:53 PM


( i agree with some on here, i stopped posting because some were jumping down my neck about comments i had made about the area, and my opinion on certain places in new glasgow, that I myself don't like and i was jumped on for "painting the town like it was a horrible place. when it was my own opinion )

If you're referring to my posts in response to yours then please do not characterize it as "jumping on you". You posted an opinion and I disagreed and explained why. There was no jumping whatsoever, please get over it.

I am worried about the timing of this video release, it suggest, at least to me, that there isn't much they have to go on.

Nish

I am pretty sure it wasn't you that commented on any of my posts, or at least I don't think it was. and I don't think that telling someone that their to " please it over it"  is appropriate, and I really don't appreciate it.  I state my opinion the same as everyone else. and have the right to. it wasn't a false statement or directed at anyone,  it was my own personal opinion.  So being told " i was wrong and painting the town as a horrible place" was  not necessary.   
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 03:19:32 PM
Or they're putting the heat on someone ? Maybe this is what will seal the deal?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 03:20:11 PM
Schooner.  Is there parking at the side door of Dooley's? Am wondering if that car was watching for her (from that road) - the side door of Dooley's.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: lostlinganer on October 21, 2011, 03:21:16 PM
Cape for sure they would change their clocks .... I do too; but I always neglect something.  I noticed I didn't change the time on my handheld phones here in the house.... now it happens automatically on the cell, but it didn't even dawn on me about the cordless phones  :-[ guess I don't bother looking at the time on them, so I'm sure you see what I mean.... always something we don't get to.  I'm wondering if that's the case with surveillance cameras?  what happens at the beginning and end of daylight savings time? does it happen automatically?

I'm here watching the news and my heart came right up in my throat thinking how it must hurt Amber's family and especially those few friends who were actually so near when she disappeared - yet too far away.  I know just how that feels; believe me, I do ...been there!  God bless you guys.

So going by this video, it's certain she disappeared from that last block before the bridge or else further down the road.  So now I'm debating with myself, which is more likely:
- did the bastard/s who took this child (she's just a baby to someone old as I am) do it on that block where it was easy .... then were so "taken up" with what they were doing, that they neglected to notice the missing shoe?  (or)
- did they decide to take the shoe to that spot because it was a good likely place to make it look like she disappeared there when she actually didn't? (or)
- did they possibly go back at daylight looking for the other shoe?  (wonder if anybody saw them and didn't realize what they saw)

Whether the animal/s who took her went back to drop the shoe, or whether they went back to plant the shoe, I think there is a good chance they went back there ... if it was to "plant" the shoe, they could do it anytime .... including day/s later.  If they went there to find the other shoe, they would have to wait for sunup. (again, I wonder if they were seen by someone who doesn't even realize it)

Since the shoe turned up day/s later (forget exactly) possibly after the place was searched, that would verify it was planted.



Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 03:23:45 PM
I am needing clarification now, on the times too.  Is it not 2 different Videos?  One of Amber on the phone....at what? 12:50?
The next one at 1:30 a.m. where it shows Amber leaving a group of friends and heading up the road, after quickly saying goodbye to someone else in front of Dooley's?
Correct me if I am wrong. 

I cannot make out the colour of the car that turned the corner, too hard for me.
And, myheartbreaks, don't worry too much about it, you have right to say what you like, following forum rules as best you can...;)
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 03:26:10 PM
jobo ......are there 2 differant video's ? I only saw one. Could you give me the links to both ? P & TY
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 03:29:30 PM
Both times could be correct, if this tape was edited - to show Amber only, I am now thinking.  Wondered before.
But if the tape was edited, then that would make sense at least to me.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 21, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
Schooner.  Is there parking at the side door of Dooley's? Am wondering if that car was watching for her (from that road) - the side door of Dooley's.

JB

I don't recall parking being available there but there is another side street just up from the side door. Someone can varify the street name maybe? I do know that is a very dark and isolated street!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 03:33:50 PM
watching that video over and over it is hard to think what could of happened because the video is stopped. but to me it looks like the police car slows down by the 2 people on the sidewalk and then slowly creeps up to the lights, if you can't make a left turn there anymore then the police car must of went straight up and past amber if she wasn't already around the corner by Big Al's
   (unless the police car made the left turn because he is a police officer which I have seen them do where I am from) I cannot really say as of the video doesn't go on long enough but if something happened by the elk club as some say then the police would of seen something if they drove by and if she got into a car on that street I am sure the police would of seen that as well and possibly looked as they are trained to watch people and things around them, especially if they are watching for drunk drivers they would look at any car.

 so maybe that car had nothing to do with anything except to brake because of the police car as some say, I don't think whatever happened to Amber happened on the street we see her walking up,  I think possibly it happened more on the street to big Al's or past it. but that is just a guess its not a fact as I don't know for sure but I want to throw out there if it did happen on the street we see her walking and the police car did drive up there would they not of seen it?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
Off of Archimedes, across from the side door is Alexander Street.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jobo on October 21, 2011, 03:39:08 PM
I lean more towards that belief, that Amber did keep walking at least to BigAl's...I'm with you on that meechie.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 03:56:28 PM
I think the police are throwing that video out there to jog people's memories more than anything, if you see something then you are like oh yeah now I remember as to if they ask you something and you try to remember. and possibly the car with the brake lights had no idea that they might of been the last person to see Amber as she disappears out of sight on the video, and has not stepped forward to tell police what they seen, if they seen anything at all except a girl walking. but I bet now that this video has been released they will be getting alot more calls and tips.
 my memory is really bad If I try to recollect something from memory it sometimes not right but when I see a picture or video I can remember more vividly.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Nish on October 21, 2011, 04:02:12 PM
Hey, dumb luck is still good luck - I hope they get some of either, or both.

They got the deviant Williams because of a keen cop and an unusual tire tread...sometimes right place, right time, and a keen mind can go a long way.

Nish

Edit: because one glass of wine and I start abusing my "hey's"
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:07:51 PM
The car at the top of the street may have came to a yeild, if turning left onto the one way you have to weild to the cars to the right. Also, with the old set up you had to yeild when turning right and many people still do out of habit.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
When I post things about the streets and such it's only to help those who are not from the area. I can imagine looking at this stuff and how hard it must be when not familiar with the area. Especially not knowing the area has changed and poeple still have habits from the old way.

One thing is for sure ....if that car was the car that had anything to do with Amber it was someone she knew. It's pretty abvious no one is going to kidnap someone right infront of the police if you expect they are going to fight you. I am sure those brake lights came on as......but maybe they didn't.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 21, 2011, 04:22:56 PM
Apparently Dooleys have said that the time stamp on the video is off by 50 minutes.  It was also stated by one of Ambers friends on the Facebook..that the time is wrong..why would the police not state this when they are asking for the publics help especially around Doolyes at the time AMber went missing..IMO something does not add up with the timeline..
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:23:14 PM
It also looks as though after yeilding it came in a little quick taking the turn .....as though to quickly pull up along the side of the road.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
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When I post things about the streets and such it's only to help those who are not from the area. I can imagine looking at this stuff and how hard it must be when not familiar with the area. Especially not knowing the area has changed and poeple still have habits from the old way.


For myself, who is not from that town, I do find it helpful. It is easier to get an idea of the area, streets, etc., when someone "paints" a picture.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Interestedinall .....not sure why they wouldn't. When I saw the time I just assumed the time change hadn't been done on the camera.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 04:26:29 PM
Fyi - from NG News:
Police say the time stamp on the video, which reads 12:50 a.m., is incorrect and believe the footage was shot between 1:30 and 1:45 a.m. on Oct. 9.
“We are looking for the public’s information, if they have any information around the time of 1:45-ish, and we are looking anyone who was there the night in question who noticed any suspicious activity to contact New Glasgow Police at 752-1941,” said MacDonald. “Suspicious means something that is out of character, something that is different, that caught your attention or someone you seen there that you never seen there before,” said MacDonald.

This was on the Amber FB page
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Interestedinall on October 21, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-21/article-2784026/Police-release-video%3B-seek-reports-of-suspicious-activity-night-woman-disappeared/1
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
This is a quote from the news article above ......

“We are looking for the public’s information, if they have any information around the time of 1:45-ish, and we are looking anyone who was there the night in question who noticed any suspicious activity to contact New Glasgow Police at 752-1941,” said MacDonald. “Suspicious means something that is out of character, something that is different, that caught your attention or someone you seen there that you never seen there before,” said MacDonald.

.......It was long weekend, I am sure there were many people there that have not been seen there before.

..... Police initially said this was an isolated incident but now it sounds as though they are looking for a possible preditor.

 

Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:54:15 PM
vanished ......I thought the car looked red as well. 
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 04:55:27 PM
Car looks red to me and also from looking at the tail lights it looks like a newer mustang.

It is not clear enough what kind of car it would be from the view of it on that video.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
But it's very funny how the mind works .....we have been hearing a lot about "red car" "red car" When Mason's car was taken .....maybe we just have red on the brain.  I'll have to ask one of my teens who has not been hearing about a red car and see what they think.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 05:02:05 PM
Event Girl ......could there have been traffic coming from the right and the car had to stay at a hault?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: GSAR_Mbr on October 21, 2011, 05:12:40 PM
But it's very funny how the mind works .....we have been hearing a lot about "red car" "red car" When Mason's car was taken .....maybe we just have red on the brain.  I'll have to ask one of my teens who has not been hearing about a red car and see what they think.

I did that with 2 coworkers and they said red.

Also the first car.. just looks like it is following a road.. can someone confirm this.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mistymoon123 on October 21, 2011, 05:18:02 PM
It has been confirmed that Mason was seen on the Big Al's video, however, it never states a time! Everyone seems to be fixated on the fact she went missing between Dooly's and Big Als, she is walking very quickly in the video so who is to say that she didnt keep walking right past Big Als if Mason was not in the parking lot at the time she was passing. No one knows forsure how far you can see on the Big Als camera's, if it even shows the side of the rd she would probably be walking on since there is a sidewalk. It aslo looks to me in the video that was released, that Amber had no shoes on when she started walking from Doolys, you can see them in the screen shot that was taken earlier. This has worried and saddened everyone in Pictou County, I am hoping for Ambers safe return!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: meechie on October 21, 2011, 05:18:11 PM
I just asked my hubby about the car in the video (he has not read anything on the case) and I said nothing to him except can you tell me what color the car is in the video and he says he cannot tell it is to hard the video doesn't clearly show it, it's grainy. I couldn't tell either
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
I couldn't tell one make of car from the other.  At first I thought it was red, but now I'm thinking Brown.  Guess it also depends upon your computer re: colours.  Perhaps it is red. One thing for sure it wasn't white or black or blue. So those colours can be eliminated.  The police are also adding to their list, if anyone saw a stranger or strangers at dooley's or around dooleys at that time.
CRAZY THEORY ON MY PART AND THIS IS NOT FACT.
I worry that someone could have gone out the side door, when they saw her leaving, got into their car, and then followed her.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: HollyP on October 21, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
As for the car at the top of the screen in the beginning of the video, I don't think it is stopping, there are buildings there and then u no longer see the tail lights.  Watch it again and you can see the line of the building slowly cuting off each tail light.

Yes, there are two buildings there. One is the Elks Club but before that there is a barn- looking building. My point I guess is....you can see the car at the top of the video when it starts, then it comes to the stop sign, but it doesn't go anywhere. It is there atleast for a few seconds and you (rather I) don not see it taking a turn either way.

Since the roads have been rerouted all through there, there is no stop sign at the top of the road Amber is walking up. In fact there isn't even a yield sign you just drive straight through to Trenton Rd.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 05:26:53 PM
from JB:
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[ worry that someone could have gone out the side door, when they saw her leaving, got into their car, and then followed her.


Not a crazy theory at all JB. Unless, and until this is solved, anything is possible.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 21, 2011, 05:27:13 PM
I couldn't tell one make of car from the other.  At first I thought it was red, but now I'm thinking Brown.  Guess it also depends upon your computer re: colours.  Perhaps it is red. One thing for sure it wasn't white or black or blue. So those colours can be eliminated.  The police are also adding to their list, if anyone saw a stranger or strangers at dooley's or around dooleys at that time.
CRAZY THEORY ON MY PART AND THIS IS NOT FACT.
I worry that someone could have gone out the side door, when they saw her leaving, got into their car, and then followed her.

JB

That is a possibility JB, but there is no parking along the road that runs along the side door unless they were waiting at the corner of the side street,think someone said earlier it is called Alexander street. Someone could have been waiting there for an opportunity???
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 05:33:35 PM
How long would it take to get from the side door of Dooley's to a car parked on the side road? Anyone know?


JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: debbiec on October 21, 2011, 05:44:10 PM

As far as we know it was Amber that called her bf to pick her up. That has not been proven otherwise at this time.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 21, 2011, 05:48:54 PM
I am wondering, if this story about the woman seeing Amber put into a black honda is true, why have the police not asked questions in regard to a car of that kind,  why search the boyfriends car if they have witness that saw her being put into another car?  this doesn't make sense to me, what do others think?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 05:51:14 PM
Eyes, where did you get that story from.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 21, 2011, 05:51:57 PM
How long would it take to get from the side door of Dooley's to a car parked on the side road? Anyone know?


JB
Someone can correct me if I am wrong...but directly across from the George st side entrance to Dooleys there is a small gravelled parking lot (for maybe 4-6 cars?) almost the corner of George and Alexander...as well I am pretty sure Dooleys now locks that side door. So of someone was parked there would take seconds to cross the road.

ETA: apparently the little lot is now paved!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 21, 2011, 05:52:40 PM
Two posts up by event Jb,  it is at the bottom of the quotes?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: schooner on October 21, 2011, 05:55:28 PM
JB I Googled in George street and alexander street new glasgow nova scotia, this may give you a better idea,
Schooner
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 05:56:11 PM
How long would it take to get from the side door of Dooley's to a car parked on the side road? Anyone know?


JB
Someone can correct me if I am wrong...but directly across George st there is a small gravelled parking lot (for maybe 4-6 cars?) almost the corner of George and Alexander...as well I am pretty sure Dooleys now locks that side door. So of someone was parked there would take seconds to cross the road.

When I worked at Dooley's many moons ago we locked the side door prior to closing time.  Bathrooms were checked and the Rental room as well, before front doors were locked.  "Assuming" they still follow the same protocol, then the door would have been locked and no one would have entered or exited out of the side doors.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: jellybean on October 21, 2011, 06:01:14 PM
Black car keeps coming up. As long as people give tips of things that they notieed that nite, it will not go cold.
The police won't stop don't worry. This is a fresh case, and they have lots to work with, just my guess.

JB
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 21, 2011, 06:02:46 PM
I meant to mention that she is in a hurry after talking on the phone as if she has to get to the meeting place quickly. One thing I am convinced is Mason was not in Pictou Landing when she last talked to him.
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 21, 2011, 06:03:58 PM
How long would it take to get from the side door of Dooley's to a car parked on the side road? Anyone know?


JB
Someone can correct me if I am wrong...but directly across George st there is a small gravelled parking lot (for maybe 4-6 cars?) almost the corner of George and Alexander...as well I am pretty sure Dooleys now locks that side door. So of someone was parked there would take seconds to cross the road.

When I worked at Dooley's many moons ago we locked the side door prior to closing time.  Bathrooms were checked and the Rental room as well, before front doors were locked.  "Assuming" they still follow the same protocol, then the door would have been locked and no one would have entered or exited out of the side doors.
Ya I remember YEARS back we used to prop the door open when we rented upstairs a lot...that was before the smoking ban and long before they charged cover at the door...when it was a POOL HALL!
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: Oryx on October 21, 2011, 06:08:38 PM
Ya I remember YEARS back we used to prop the door open when we rented upstairs a lot...that was before the smoking ban and long before they charged cover at the door...when it was a POOL HALL!


Yes, when civilized conversation and a good game of pool were available. We had regulars then, through the days and at night. I left before they converted, and haven't been in Dooley's since those days....so I couldn't even tell you the layout of the inside of the bar anymore.....
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: fromPC on October 21, 2011, 06:14:58 PM
Event Girl .....maybe the uncoming traffic can not be seen by the camera at the top of the road .....could be too far to the right to be seen  ....it's really hard to say.


Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: EJP on October 21, 2011, 06:16:54 PM
I have heard nothing of him being inside Dooley's so it is entirely possible he could have been out there in a car, or out along the wall. Again, he would be on camera unless somehow out of sight of them which at that point, I would just say it wasn't there. The cameras cover enough of the area. He was either on camera and if he isn't, then he wasn't there.

 
If Mason was at Dooley's around 1:00...wouldn't Amber have known this?  If Amber did phone Mason to pick her up as Debbie says...how do we know this? Is there a taped message or only a cell number showing?
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: myheartbreaks on October 21, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
I don't know if anyone else caught this in the video, but as the car is coming down the road beside dooleys ( the one that appears to be breaking )  may have sped up due to the light getting ready to change,  if you look you can see the light is blinking indicating that it's about to change, so I would assume that since the cop car is stopped then it's way had the red stop light, which would mean that the car coming down the hill would be green, turning yellow, or red. then as it sped up to get through the light ( like most of us do ) they noticed the cop there, and then put it's breaks on to slow itself down as to not get pulled over.
Plus another THEORY ( NOT FACT )  I have, say that the car in the video is the car that took her, ( NOT SAYING IT IS ) and she didn't know who the person driving was, she would have put up a fight with them to get in the car, now the cops being just down the road would have " hopefully" seen Amber putting up a fight,  with an unknown person or car. maybe even a scream the cops might have heard it.  drawing attention to her, deterring the person in the car from taking her.  my point with this theory being, would someone she didn't know run the risk of taking her with a cop car just down the road ( and about to travel ) the same road they are on.   
if she did get in the car willingly then the cops wouldn't have maybe given it another thought that a girl was getting picked up by a friend or someone she knows. and it's nothing outta the ordinary to them.

this is all just a big made up theory i have, it is no way based on fact, just a mere thought I had on the video.  ( the theory being that the car is the car that she was taken in )
Title: Re: Amber Kirwan - Murdered - New Glasgow Oct. 9th 2011
Post by: mytwocentsis2 on October 21, 2011, 06:22:06 PM
My take on the video and personal experience walking that road....the car turning had a yield...she looked as if she most likely crossed, got to the island and ran a bit to cross the yield lane as that car was coming down the hill. IF the cop car was waiting for the green light he would have went straight (which is likely as there was a