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Title: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Desespere on July 02, 2007, 05:45:14 PM
Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon - born in 1939 in the town of Endeavour, Saskatchewan 330 kilometers east of Saskatoon.  She was the youngest of ten children that included six brothers and three sisters in a traditional Ukrainian family. She was a nurse at the City Hospital in Saskatoon in September, 1961.  She shared a basement apartment in the city with three other nurses:  Alice Hall, Doreen Badduke, and Pauline Tyllis. Saskatoon, SK
On May 18, 1962, around 8:00 p.m., Alex Wiwcharuk told her roommates she was going for a walk.  She was seen at several locations:  Mead's drugstore, near her home, between 8:30 and 8:45 p.m. and later, by a group of boys fishing on the riverbank between 9:00 p.m. and 9:45 p.m.  But, Alex Wiwcharuk didn't show up for her shift at the hospital that night, nor did she come home.
Her body was not found until May 31, 1962.  Her skull had been fractured by a severe blow from a concrete block and her unconscious body buried before she died.  She was found six blocks from her home.  An autopsy determined that the cause of death was suffocation and that she had died before 10:00 p.m.  Thirteen days had passed between her disappearance and the discovery of her body when crucial evidence could have been gathered. The police checked the dna in mid 1990?s but did not match to anything. She was last seen on a Friday, the Victoria Day long weekend ? May 21, 1962 was Victoria Day Monday.
Full story at the link
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/main_beautyqueen.html
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - Saskatoon - Murdered - 1962
Post by: Chris on October 06, 2007, 02:27:22 PM
There are some much older cases that just are not publicized. I doubt anyone is going to put cases from the 20's or 30's or even the 1900's anywhere. I do know there are a few unsolved cases from way back when, from history books.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - Saskatoon - Murdered - 1962
Post by: Chris on October 06, 2007, 11:02:18 PM
That's interesting. I guess because of how much it must have shocked the community then, and the fact the person who did this may still be alive is what keeps it ongoing. I sure hope they solve it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - Saskatoon - Murdered - 1962
Post by: Chris on October 08, 2007, 12:42:49 AM
Yes, that is right. Winnipeg has a few cases older then 1968. Winnipeg police is still the best site i have been on for city police at publishing cold cases. I wish all police did that.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on April 07, 2008, 01:16:57 AM
From the Journal::

 
Killer may yet be found in 46-year-old unsolved murder
New DNA techniques, book shed light on The Girl in Saskatoon's grisly death
 
Darren Bernhardt
Saskatoon StarPhoenix; Canwest News Service

Sunday, April 06, 2008

Alexandra Wiwcharuk was a carnival queen, a nurse, a woman serenaded by Johnny Cash, and the victim in Saskatoon's most notorious unsolved murder.

Wiwcharuk would have turned 69 this month. Instead, next month will mark 46 years since her partially nude body was found in a shallow riverbank grave. She had been raped, beaten and buried alive.

A boy scrounging around the scrub discovered her hand exposed above the earth. Her skull was broken in two places, her face bludgeoned beyond recognition, her windpipe clogged by sand and dirt.

The passage of time has done nothing to quell public interest in the mystery.

"It's become folklore," said Sgt. Phil Farion of the Saskatoon Police Service's historical case section.

Now the story is getting some new narrative thanks to Farion, award-winning author Sharon Butala -- and even, in a way, the victim herself.

Advancements in forensic science have provided clues to the identity of Wiwcharuk's killer, nearly a half-century after the fact.

Her body was exhumed in 2004 and samples taken from remaining tissue were sent to the RCMP crime lab in Regina.

A search for a different DNA profile on Wiwcharuk's body was unsuccessful then, but last year a high-tech lab in Thunder Bay found it.

Molecular World detected the genetic code by testing for strains exclusive to males.

"It's an ideal process if you're dealing with a sexual assault," said Farion.

Police are now in the process of matching the profile against 13 "persons of interest" identified over the years, said Farion.

"If we get a match, we've got our guy," he added. "It's stuff right out of a storybook." Butala, an author who grew up in Saskatoon and knew Wiwcharuk, has written The Girl in Saskatoon: A Meditation on Friendship, Memory and Murder.

To be launched Tuesday, the book examines the slaying in the context of its times.

"There's a hell of a lot of evil in this world, and it wins out much of the time," Butala said in a recent interview. "That's not what we're told by our teachers and parents and churches ... that sweetness and light will bring justice. It bloody well does not." A beauty queen in 1960, Wiwcharuk began working at a hospital in 1961.

That same year she was named The Girl In Saskatoon as part of a promotion for a concert by Johnny Cash, who had a song of the same name. At the concert, Cash brought Wiwcharuk onstage and sang to her before a packed house.

On May 18, 1962, around 8 p.m., the 23-year-old went for a walk to mail some letters. Around 9:30 p.m., a group of boys fishing at the weir saw her sitting on the riverbank. It's believed that no one, other than her killer, saw her after that.

Her body was found May 31.
? The Edmonton Journal 2008


Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on April 08, 2008, 12:45:51 AM
Wow, that would be interesting if this case is solved. I wonder if the person is still alive?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 16, 2008, 10:13:38 AM
"One soft spring evening in 1962 a young nurse named Alexandra Wiwcharuk was murdered and an entire city came to a stop: Alexandra's murder was all anyone could talk about."

With this promising sentence, the people who knew Alexandra were hoping that this book would give insight into the case itself. Instead, the book became a book about the author. The author spent the majority of the time comparing her life to Alexandra's life. Even down to the roots of their prairie life in Saskatchewan. Alexandra did NOT grow up in a shack in wilderness. She grew up on an established farm.

The author has written the book with inaccurate information, whether deliberate or not. The people who know Alexandra best, are deeply offended by this book.  Alexandra was a devote Ukrainian Orthodox Christian. She was the perfect daughter, sister, auntie, and friend. The author, did not know Alexandra personally, just in passing. That is all! She did not know the loving, popular, happy go lucky, determined young lady that Alexandra truly was. If the author was to make comparisons, she must compare with accurate information. The author appears to make assumptions, about Alexandra's relationships with her family, because much of the information about them is inaccurate. Therefore, reviolating Alexandra, again.

I didn't care for this book, as you can see. One thing it did do, though, was bring the murder back into the spotlight! Alexandra's remaining brothers and sisters want to know what happened to her, before they die. That was their baby sister, who had such a promising life ahead of her, and she was loved so deeply and dearly  by each and everyone of them.

SOMEONE OUT THERE KNOWS THE TRUTH! ALL THE FAMILY ASKS IS THAT THEY COME FORWARD....EVEN ANONYMOUSLY!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 16, 2008, 10:26:13 AM
Was this a highly populated area or were there any hotels around there or was it a place where someone would just happen to be in town for a period of time? This person probably has committed other crimes, because of the violent nature of it. I imagine they went through everything with a fine tooth comb. Of course, it could be someone who you would least expect. Like in B.C. a couple of years ago a man murdered a teenager and her friend got away. The town was in terror. I don't remember the actual names, but the things this man did was totally out of a horror movie. He ended up to be a married man and respected citizen with small children, no one could believe it. He could be the man next door, no one really knows. I do hope that with DNA and process of elimination that this animal after all these years is captured and convicted and spends the rest of his life behind bars. So sad to think of the life that was ahead of her and taken away so young.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 16, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
The area in which she was buried alive, was on the upper part of a large riverbank, by a clump of trees. There were homes across the street from this riverbank. Someone heard something. Someone saw something. Someone was on the river, or across the river on the opposite bank.

The family put up a $10,000 reward at the time. In 1962, that was a lot of money...why did no one come forward??? Police affiliation or corruption, or cover up, whatever you want to call it...it happened. Saskatoon, had little mafias all over the city, at the time. There are always crooked police, in those circumstances. Missing evidence, early on in the investigation. Evidence sent to other cities, why? why? why? Records disappearing all over the place. Further hampering any honest police officers attempts to find Alexandra's killers. Many police officers were told to mind their own business, at the time.

Why was this investigation impeded in so many ways. Whether, it was inexperience or not, I cannot believe the photos I have seen of the head of the police department in Saskatoon smiling and/or laughing beside Alexandra's coffin. This was a shock to the City of Saskatoon, and devastated the innocence of this beautiful city, and he is happy??? "A picture can paint a 1000 words."

The murder of Alexandra Wiwcharuk has spurred many emotions since 1962. Everyone in Saskatoon, was effected by this murder, and everyone who knew Alexandra. Their lives would never be the same, and all of them have their gentle reminders of what had happened to such an innocent young woman. Their lifeline would forever be changed! Today, powerful emotions still arise from the "Death of a Beauty Queen - Alexandra Wiwcharuk."
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 16, 2008, 08:53:22 PM
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The author has written the book with inaccurate information, whether deliberate or not

That would not be the first time. It is too bad it happens. And yes it is good it brought up this case again.

That is odd how the police acted. It makes me think they heard rumors of who did it and maybe even had a suspect that was being protected.

Was there any theories? Have the police opened up the investigation again? also, do you know where in Saskatoon this happened? Next time I am up there, I'd like to check it out.

Is there a book, article or website in which has detailed information about this case that is acurate? Being new to Saskatchewan, I have taken a very keen interest in it's history and this case is obviously a big part of it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 17, 2008, 08:01:31 AM
If you want to know more about what has been written about this murder...go to www.canada.com/, the most recent article dated Saturday, June 14, 2008. The Star Pheonix, Saskatoon's oldest paper, has alot of archival material.

The CBC, has now done several articles on television and radio, and you will find all that information, on the web, by searching "Death of a Beauty Queen, Alexandra Wiwcharuk" or Alexandra Wiwcharuk.

The spot where she was found, was on Spadina Crescent near the steel bridge. (Close to what Saskatoonians call the waterfall.)

There is no monument, but there is barely any changes to the spot itself. She is now buried not far from the spot itself, at Westlawn Cemetary.

Most of the info, you will find repeats itself....

I think it is important to make this nationwide or worldwide, because the people are out there who murdered her.



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 17, 2008, 08:13:38 AM
The article written on "What's On Winnipeg" has the riverbank being on the North Saskatchewan River. (Not sure if this is what it says in the book, haven't opened it, since I finished reading it weeks ago.) Everyone knows Saskatoon has the South Saskatchewan River flowing through it. If it was the reporter Adelia Neufeld Wiens (freelance writer), she needs to get up on her geography. But....if it was Sharon B., she should know better!

I know this sounds petty, but this is how misinformation gets transferred, when different forms of media, etc. get the story wrong.

"Pickle Me This" at blogspot writes about the book, and gets the year wrong.

I am praying that with new sets of eyes, and dedicated people on the case, that we will have an answer soon.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 18, 2008, 10:12:59 AM
That could be a possibility. But the way she was murdered, in forensic phsychology, it looks like it was someone who knew her.

Maybe your vision or your feeling are meaning that this drifter riding the rails, may have seen what had happened. The railway bridge is too high up to jump off from, but he could have been on an open car going past the murder when it was taking place, or maybe he saw her being buried. As for the hitchhiker, that place is far from the major route that lead to go out or come into the city. It was the scenic drive of Saskatoon. But I would not rule any of them out. I do recall someone who was either on or near the railway bridge, but I think he now has been eliminated as a suspect. Not sure???

How accurate have been your hunches been in the past?

There are traintracks that do go past the graveyard, that Alexandra is buried in.

As for the weather, I do not know what it was like previously to that weekend, I do know that it was a nice summer day, with a nice evening. I do know that it had rained after that, washing away evidence.

Some people (Sharon B.) believe she was killed the night she was missing, and others do not.

Many believe the buriel spot was just the dump spot. Many believe there is more than one person involved. Many believe that this was personal.

Many of the witnesses who came forward, have mysteriously disappeared or died within three years of her death, even went into mental institutions. Some had to move out of the country, because they had been threatened.

Little Mafia did exist in Saskatoon. Maybe, maybe, maybe....there are alot of maybes. I have heard alot of scenarios over the years.

The family has been threatened, and told to get protection. In the 60's, I was playing at my bedroom window, when I was shot at. Then a little friend of mine who I used to play with on the riverbank was murdered. We had to move away. 

If it was a drifter, why would he come back?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 18, 2008, 12:50:17 PM
I can't even imagine anyone laughing or smiling at a wake or a funeral of a young murder victim. Her parents should have had an inquiry into what was going on there in the police department. There should have been a detailed investigation in the actions of these police officers. The fact that there was evidence missing and could not be found, it almost sounds like a policeman could have been involved or someone in a policeman's family. This certainly sounds suspicious. Maybe her family should have hired a private detective. It is so sad that this was never solved.  Maybe it could be brought to the attention of the program 48 Hours or A&E Cold Cases, they always want to do a show on crimes that are not solved. It might bring someone forward.  Yes, someone is holding a deep dark secret and it is time they gave it up.   How could the community ever forget this, one would never forget. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 18, 2008, 01:11:42 PM


Hi Baba:

Police are now in the process of matching the profile against 13 "persons of interest" identified over the years, said Farion.
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If the police have this many suspects, then they are doing their best so far, but it happened so long ago, I bet a lot of information, has been lost or whatever. Maybe the cops handling the killing today are finding out some bad stuff that went on in an earlier investigation? ??? >:(

I also think it horrid, that you yourself was shot at, and her family threatened. There is more here than meets the eye. I am glad you are still trying to unravel all this, my goodness, it must be hard.I just finished reading this thread, so will try to find out more, if anything is still out there.

Please keep yourself safe, and thankyou for giving more info on this crime.

May the Creator, help bring this to an end. No One has the right to take a life, and this has many twists and turns. :'(  (((((((((hugs))))))))) to all friends and family.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 18, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
My grandparents, one an immigrant from Ukraine, and the other a first born Canadian who grew up in an Ukrainian speaking community. I think my grandparents believed what the police officers were telling them, and my grandmother believed in God.

They were devastated! I am not sure if my grandfather ever got over it. My grandmother, I heard stories that she fainted alot after that. Sometimes she would just faint without warning.

The family put up a reward, but I only heard rumors that a private detective had been hired. I will have to ask my aunt and uncle if there was a private detective hired. My uncle was visiting my grandparents on the outskirts of Saskatoon, and he had been chased by a car that had been waiting for him to leave my grandparents home. This uncle baraded the police department constantly. No one knew he was coming out. Later, his wife was accousted in their back yard. They lived 2 1/2 hours out of Saskatoon. We were all given warnings of some varience.

In the 80's when one of my sisters began to involve herself with the case again....(in Edmonton where she lived) Her car had been shot in three places. One on the drivers side, and two others, each on a side where her children's car seats were.

The man who shot at me, came back again to our house. All of the girls shared a bedroom. He came in through our open window. (Thank God I am a light sleeper) He went from bed to bed to bed, lifting up the covers to check faces. Then he came to my bed, I let out the most blood curdling scream, and it startled him so much, he ran and jumped out of our bedroom window. In the morning my father checked and sure enough his footprints were still in the mud under our bedroom window. Police did not do anything, because no one got hurt.

I could not see what he looked like, but he wore the same outfit, and boots plus hat from other encounters. He reminded me of a Johnny Cash wannabe.

We were taught to practice daily how to scream for help. After my auntie was murdered, my mom was not taking any chances. We also were not allowed to walk on the sidewalk if there were hedges or bushes, we then had to walk in the middle of the street.

What Sharon B. did not mention, this was real for us. We lived the nightmare!

 :'( There were many tears for fears.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 18, 2008, 05:39:11 PM
Reading what happened to you is like reading a novel. It sounds like and Agatha Christie novel, my gosh, they did not try to apprehend this individual after someone previous had been murdered. I think I would have been sleeping with a weapon under my pillow.  It surely must have been a life of fear. And even now after all this time you would not want anyone to know where you lived or you would be scared to keep the story in the limelight. Everything should be done to solve this even after all this time. Like I say, get one of the TV shows to do a program and maybe this will get the person that did this. I give you my prayers and hope that this will be solved. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 19, 2008, 06:56:18 PM
Thank you Capeheart! Just finished talking to my sisters, and they have just been stonewalled in Saskatoon. The police refuse to talk to them. The nurse's alumni refuse to have them do some sort of presentation or insert in their handouts. (The UofS has a nurse's alumni reunion this weekend.)

They go into the library to look for information, and a male librarian called them another set of amatuer investigators, trying to solve this case. Then when they went to a female librarian and told her who they were they were finally helped. The female librarian was more than overjoyed to help them.

The mistrust in this case still lingers. How sad.

Thank you for your prayers!

May God Bless You!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 20, 2008, 12:40:30 AM
There will be an interview done tomorrow by the press. There may be a write up in the Saskatoon Star Pheonix on Saturday, since that is the day they put articles like this in the paper.

(My job is to write the things to say to the press, since I am the writer out of us four, so I hope it is good enough, to springboard some people to come forward.) :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 20, 2008, 08:39:19 AM
Yes, she was buried alive. From what evidence we know, she fought for her life, until she drew her last breath. We believe that the hand the child came across, was not washed away by the rain, the way the boy said it was sticking out, it was a once last effort for her to let someone know where she was.

Yes, the investigation, was very shotty, and witnesses disappeared. Good cops were told to MYOB, etc.

Anyways, I have to write up this article now...

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 20, 2008, 01:27:19 PM
MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS FOR YOU I really hope this article that you are writing will get someone to give it up, because someone out there has to know. Don't ever give up, keep the faith and I feel in my heart that someone is going to come forward. All the best to relatives, friends and family and those working hard even to this day to solve this case.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 20, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
Yikes, I am finally done....I am crossing my fingers, and praying the truth will finally come out from this...

The only thing I left out, was that she worked at the City Hospital in Saskatoon. I felt that everyone knew she was a nurse, etc. etc. I just hope this wasn't an error on my part...

Hmmm..... :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 20, 2008, 06:56:46 PM


Thanks Baba, for clearing up some information. The fact that you and many others have been threatened, or moved, tells me, this idiot, may have some power.He knows how to use it, hence, all the threats.  ??? >:( >:( 8)

Will be waiting for more info. Thanks for everything you have done here. :)

Just kep on, keeping on..
(hugs))), to all family and friends. Adrian
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 21, 2008, 04:42:42 AM
 >:( Sheeeeeeeeesh, it is not in the paper.... Maybe tomorrow???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 21, 2008, 11:47:34 AM
Wow this is an interseting case for sure. It seems like it should be solveable.

My feeling (and no, I have no mystic powers) is this is a person who knew her and in a panic, killed her. Probably a stalker or something. It was a very cowardly method to kill someone.

When it does get solved, it would not surprise me if it was an admirerer, like a doctor at her hospital or someone important.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 21, 2008, 12:06:36 PM
Yes, Chris ... I do believe that it was someone important. Or someone connected to someone who was important.

There are a few scenarios that is for sure....

A few doors are starting to open up.... but I do not think this is going to happen overnight.

There is still so much mistrust... but I can understand why...

The police hours into this investigation, has added up ... I am sure... I feel the answer is in their hands.... they either cannot believe it, or they just need more proof...., and maybe it has been there all along????

I and the family will just keep digging, and not give up...because someone out there knows.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 21, 2008, 01:26:26 PM
Just out of curiosity, how long had it been since she moved from Endevour? Did most of her family live there still?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 21, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
Alexandra did move from the farm outside of Endeavour to attend high school in Saskatoon. She lived with her sister, until she completed high school. Then she moved back to either the farm, Kamsack,or Canora (her parents had moved into one of those towns temporarily because of some type of job) and she moved to Yorkton to attend nursing school and lived in the dorm. Then the farm was sold, and then her parents moved on the acreage south of Saskatoon. It was a two bedroom house, and the second bedroom was Alexandra's.

I was young then, so my timelines may not be 100%.

Why?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 21, 2008, 04:24:50 PM
Why was this investigation impeded in so many ways. Whether, it was inexperience or not, I cannot believe the photos I have seen of the head of the police department in Saskatoon smiling and/or laughing beside Alexandra's coffin. This was a shock to the City of Saskatoon, and devastated the innocence of this beautiful city, and he is happy??? "A picture can paint a 1000 words."
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I feel that the creep who did this, was at the riverbank, and could she have gone there to meet him? I read one of the articles, back aways, and it said she was asphyxiated, plus blungeoned with a block of cement.

I agree with your suspicion that she was buried alive, hence the finger showing above the ground, as if trying to claw her way out.

The threats, and all, just adds up to STINKO!!! I do think it is time, for the killer, or those who KNOW what happened , let it out NOW.

Keep up the good work, Baba, we need people like you., in this world, those who don't give up!!! ((((hugs)))) to all friends, and family of Alexandra, and may answers come soon. Thankyou!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 21, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
Adrian...

Thank You ....

The family was not invited to the coroners inquest. We have asked, and we are not sure why.

So the description of what happened, is what we have collected from the newspaper reports, etc. All I have read and concluded was that there could have been a possibility that someone said they were going to meet her there. When that person did not show up, she went to go home. Was it a lure???? We are not sure.

Was she killed the same night? We are not sure.

Forensic phsychology, what we get off of television would indicate because her face was destroyed, this  person knew her. By the force of the blows, this person/s was very angry at her.

I do not know if she was strangled, she was raped, crushed by a concrete construction block, and died from sand being in her wind pipe. We believe she reached up through her shallow grave for one last attempt for help, or for someone to find her with her outstretched hand. Whether this is all of it, we are not sure.

I do believe, because of what Alexandra believed in. I believe Alexandra would have fought off her attacker/s the best she could, because she was not going to be raped if she could help it. Alexandra's courage, I am sure angered the perpetrator/s, that is why I believe she was raped after he/they crushed her with the concrete block. This person/s raped a dying woman and had to look at her crushed body while doing this, meaning that this person/s was obsessed, was demented, very disturbed, whatever you want to call it. A sicko!

One thing that keeps popping in my mind, that she was lured there that night.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 22, 2008, 12:10:08 PM
Alexandra did move from the farm outside of Endeavour to attend high school in Saskatoon. She lived with her sister, until she completed high school. Then she moved back to either the farm, Kamsack,or Canora (her parents had moved into one of those towns temporarily because of some type of job) and she moved to Yorkton to attend nursing school and lived in the dorm. Then the farm was sold, and then her parents moved on the acreage south of Saskatoon. It was a two bedroom house, and the second bedroom was Alexandra's.

I was young then, so my timelines may not be 100%.

Why?

Thanks. Just wondering if someone from back home was upset with something she had done or was doing? I guess that though has been investigated and someone would have heard something.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on June 22, 2008, 12:19:34 PM
At this point it appears that there isn't much to go on with this case other than speculation. Hopefully someday someone comes forward that actually knows something otherwise it may remain unsolved.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 22, 2008, 12:35:48 PM
Yes, Chris, that is another good scenario, it should not be overlooked!

debbieC...."speculation", I haven't heard that word for a long time.....

But you are right, in this respect, because so much has happened with this case to hamper a decent investigation!

I hope we will be blessed soon with an answer or answers.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on June 22, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
So do I.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 22, 2008, 03:07:45 PM
Desphere, I wonder if you can do that when the cold case file is still active?
??? But it wouldn't hurt to find out. There is only one out of two answers that they can say to me..."Yes or No".

At one time an upper government's son was considered as a suspect. This man who served time for the planning, and executing (by a hit-man) of his ex-wife's murder. We were told that the this upper government worker was told, if he didn't back off, that his son would be part of the investigation. Whether or not this is true, or partially, I do not know. I also read somewhere, long time ago, like twenty years ago, when this man's ex-wife was looking for protection, that she had stated, "My father-in-law told me to be careful, my son has killed before." It was in one of the newspapers, maybe close to twenty years ago.

One thing I have been taught by my priest, is that there is some truth in every rumor that you hear... therefore, nothing heard should never be put aside as a tall tale.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 22, 2008, 06:44:08 PM
I agree BD, she was lured there that night. I have thought it funny that she did not ask one of the girls to go for a walk. I wonder did she have a secret affair, maybe someone asked her to meet them and she knew he was married or was engaged to someone. She may have liked him and just met up with him a day or so before or even the same day. Speculation of course, but usually when a crime is committed it is someone that was questioned in the initial investigation. Betting that the person was already interviewed years ago. If one could only go back and read every name and make a list and look on the background of every single individual, the answer is there I bet.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 22, 2008, 08:05:35 PM
I agree with you capeheart!

But with some of the evidence missing...who knows???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 23, 2008, 05:24:15 AM
Desephere....someone just told me you are Sharon B's bud.  :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 23, 2008, 04:38:19 PM
Desephere:

It is Sharon Butala....

I apologize if I have offended you, I will let that source know immediately....

I meant it in a good way... because although she is inaccurate on alot of things about Alexandra Wiwcharuk....she has brought this back to light.

And maybe she was supposed to write it that way, in order to kick us (her family) in the tuush...sorta speak.


I am  :-[!




Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 23, 2008, 05:43:20 PM
Desephere....someone just told me you are Sharon B's bud.  :)

If someone from this site sent you a message to say anything bad about Des, it is only because people would want to discredit her. She has been a super mega wonderful researcher here, and definetly the MVP of information on this site.

There have been elements out there who have wanted to close this site down or disrupt it. If this info did come from the site, please send me a PM and let me know who.

Again, for 3 years I have known Des, her finger prints are all over this site and would not exsist without her.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 24, 2008, 01:58:11 AM


I agree with Chris, Des is the best researcher, and tons of information. We have been on this site now, for quite a while.I can't figure who would send something, so odd. This is good place to come to give your ideas, add information, and Des has put up all the missing/ murdered, for all of Canada, and continually, adding another one. ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 24, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
Hey Everyone.....

Sorry, but it was someone who had said she was also on another site...???

I was just mentioning, what was said, and if someone is trying to sabotage this site, phewwwy to them!

This site has done nothing but help!

Let us not spend another second thinking about it...negative chi, brings negative results.

 :-X
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 24, 2008, 11:35:42 PM
Sounds good!

WE like to keep postive here, and all of the regulars here are very good people. Thanks!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 25, 2008, 01:29:05 AM


Thanks! We do need to be positive. Keep the hopes
up, Getting things done. Makes you feel good, in getting families together going out. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 25, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
Hey the article is in the Saskatoon Star Pheonix today....


P. S. I am not responsible for what my sister's said...at the end...LOL

Have a Great Day!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on June 25, 2008, 01:22:58 PM


Hi Baba, Can you put the link, or the article up? You got me curious, about your sister, or are you the sister?

Keep on, Keeping on! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 26, 2008, 07:31:54 AM
LOL...which sister???

P.S. you have to buy the paper... $1.00

www.saskatoonstarpheonix.com

go into digital

not sure when they release it onto the net???

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 29, 2008, 10:25:27 PM
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/story.html?id=258be6db-558d-4b18-bf84-778d7bfded7d

Four nieces of a Saskatoon nurse raped, beaten and buried in a shallow riverbank grave 46 years ago are determined to find the murderer and bring the unsolved cold case to a close. And they are convinced an end is near.

The passage of time has done nothing to quell public interest in the indelible mystery, the incomplete chronicle of Alexandria (also known as Alexandra) Wiwcharuk's life.

The 23-year-old beauty queen, who graduated from nursing school in Yorkton a few months earlier, was last seen on the evening of May 18, 1962. Her body was found May 31 by a boy scrounging around the scrub near Spadina Crescent and 33rd Street. Wiwcharuk's hand was exposed above the earth. Her skull was broken in two places, her face bludgeoned beyond recognition, her windpipe clogged by sand and dirt. An autopsy determined she was still alive when she was buried, ultimately choking to death.

Police questioned and eliminated 52 suspects within the first two months while RCMP in Saskatchewan and Alberta questioned another 100. It was the most intensive police investigation in the city's history, yet by 1970 the case had gone cold.

Until now. The nieces have converged on the city from across Canada and the United States, intent on heating it up.

"We feel we're close. We're excited and I think the police are excited about what we've told them," said Lynn Gratix, who lives in Edmonton.

"I think they were shocked at the stuff we know," added Lorain Phillips of Victoria.

"We want to give you names but not yet. We're not ready, but soon," said Patty Storie of New York City.

Asked if they believe the person responsible was still alive, Storie raised her eyebrows and responded with two words: "Persons" and "Yes."

The Saskatoon police historical cases unit is continuing to investigate the case, but with a staff of two and 16 other cases on the burner the progress is slow, said Sgt. Phil Farion, who appreciates the assistance.

"As long as they're careful and do things in a proper, legal way, any information they can provide could be helpful," he said. "They are going to find a lot of people want to be involved for whatever reason and they will have to be cautious about true intentions. I was quite impressed with how well read and knowledgeable they are on the file so I think they can probably recognize anything of value or if it's crap."

The sisters, along with a sibling who couldn't make the recent trip, are waiting on Farion to receive permission to show them a copy of Wiwcharuk's diary. The original, kept to the day she disappeared, was inadvertently destroyed by a family member.

"If things were the other way around, and one of us was missing, Alex would be in this spot looking," said Gratix. "We have to do this."

When news of the killing hit the household in 1962, everyone fell silent, recalled Phillips. Their mother, Wiwcharuk's sister Pearl Cherneske, was unable to eat or sleep for the first weeks and lost 30 pounds.

"Nobody ever got over it," said Phillips. "When Alex moved to Saskatoon it was supposed to be the beginning of her life."

When we were growing up we used to say to each other that we would find him (the killer)," said Storie.

"Now we feel that's going to come true," said Gratix. "We are the generation that will finally find closure."

The women discussed undertaking their own investigation in the 1980s but family responsibilities hampered the plan. They got to Saskatoon in 1992 to poke around and walk Wiwcharuk's last-known path, then returned in 1994 and every four years or so thereafter. Each time they stirred the pot, more sources surfaced. Phone calls and e-mails resulted in new leads that were researched and organized into four boxes labelled with four distinct scenarios.

Now, with their kids grown and moved out, time has become an ample resource. The amateur detectives intend to return to Saskatoon once a month until a conclusion has been reached.

"No matter how small or irrelevant things may seem, we want anyone with information to talk to us. Even some of the far out weird ones (tips) have developed into something," said Storie.

Or perhaps certain people have passed on and those still surviving have something they want to get off their chest, said Gratix.

"We're prepared to be in it for the long haul," said Storie. "We want to do it for ourselves but also for grandma and grandpa who didn't see their little girl grow up. At every family function, Alex is brought up."

"It will always be something sad in our hearts until it's been resolved," added Gratix. "It's our quest."

"We're doing the Sherlock Holmes thing," said Phillips.

"Agatha Christie," piped in Storie.

The sisters come across more as a comedy troupe than sleuths, joking and finishing each other's sentences and weaving their conversations together like a knit sweater. Gratix proudly revealed her self-defence training, while Phillips announced she can wield a nasty cane and Storie volunteered to kiss the suspects if it meant retrieving DNA samples.

The banter helps lighten an otherwise stressful and potentially dangerous situation. They are acutely aware of the risks in hunting a killer. During a previous trip they were followed by a suspicious vehicle and are convinced someone was taking photographs.

They keep in touch with Farion, advising him on their whereabouts when they speak with anyone. They've also considered a bodyguard "but he would never survive us girls," said Phillips.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 30, 2008, 04:05:13 PM
This is wonderful news that the sisters of Alexandra are on the hot trail of some leads. I feel confident that they will go through everything carefully and have information that will lead to the arrest of the killer. So happy to hear this good news.  Hoping you keep us informed of as much as you can without scaring the killer away. He would be possibly a lot older now and nowhere to run.  Good luck and I will pray that this ends soon and justice is done, finally.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 01, 2008, 01:25:34 AM
Thank you everyone....

It will be in the Edmonton Sun tomorrow...hopefully, the writer said it had to be bumped off the front page, because they found the body of a missing call girl, who went missing some time this weekend....in or around Edmonton.

Sorry haven't talked for awhile...life got busy here.

TTYL...Baba Donya
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on July 01, 2008, 02:16:03 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/07/01/6033001-sun.html


Please press link for our sister sleuths!!!!!!

By MICHELLE THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA

Lorain Phillips and Lynn Gratrix have been investigating the slaying of their aunt, Alexandra Wiwcharuk, pictured in photo. They believe they are closing in on the killer in the 46-year-old mystery. (Jordan Verlage, Sun Media)

More than 46 years after Saskatoon nurse Alexandra Wiwcharuk was battered, raped and buried alive, four of her nieces investigating her slaying say they're close to cracking the cold case.

"We feel this case will be solved soon," said Edmontonian Lynn Gratrix, one of two local women with the team of amateur sleuths.

"The portrait of Auntie Alexandra's headstone appears to be chipped, reminding us how this investigation has only been chipping away at what actually happened."

Wiwcharuk was 23 when she went for a walk on the evening of May 18, 1962. She never turned up for her hospital shift that evening.

Her body was discovered in a riverbank grave about two weeks later just blocks from her Saskatoon home.

Those responsible for killing the dark-haired carnival queen won't be getting away with murder, if relatives can help it.
   

Since 1992, Gratrix and three others - Bonnyville's Gwen Taralson, New York's Patty Storie and Victoria resident Lorain Phillips - have flown to Saskatoon almost monthly.

The real-life Nancy Drews said they've been exhaustive in their investigation, contacting witnesses, gathering evidence, and slowly putting the pieces together.

Phillips, who is currently visiting Edmonton, said her team has discovered clues the police haven't.

"Some people don't like to talk to the police," she said. "They can say things to us they wouldn't say to them.

"Everybody has an incredible story to tell."

Those tales have helped the women uncover evidence, they said, but they wouldn't disclose what that information was, stating they didn't want to jeopardize the investigation.

The case is never far from relatives' minds.

Every time the family organizes a party or holds a reunion, conversation is often consumed by talks of a life cut short.

Soon, though, Phillips expects the clan to be celebrating closure in the mysterious case.

"We are the generation of Alex's family that will bring this to closure," she told Sun Media. "We need closure for our family.

"Auntie Alexandra's murder changed not just our lives but the lives of everyone who knew her or read about her."

On Friday, the family will launch a website aimed at raising awareness about Wiwcharuk's death. Visit www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net.

Those with information should call the Saskatoon Police Service at (306) 975-8300.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 02, 2008, 05:25:44 AM
 :) Thanks Adrian.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on July 02, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
 ;D

Good Luck to you gals, and I hope you find the answers you seek. You are a brave bunch, solid, and I hope your site, does some good, in finding out what happened to Alexandra! Thanks for letting us get to "know" you a bit, and Keep on Keeping on!

Any time I see more in the news etc., it will be put here.Good Luck((hugs))
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 02, 2008, 07:04:06 PM
Thanks Adrian. We were again warned to be careful. Shucks, you would think that the threat was over....not yet!

We have our hunch why....and time will tell if we are right, and have been all along!

Thanks, again, and I will keep checking in, time after time!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 10, 2008, 02:13:33 PM
For further information on the web go to www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 14, 2008, 12:35:36 AM
Very good website. THis is a terrific idea!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on July 14, 2008, 02:55:23 AM



Thanks Adrian. We were again warned to be careful. Shucks, you would think that the threat was over....not yet!

We have our hunch why....and time will tell if we are right, and have been all along!

Thanks, again, and I will keep checking in, time after time!
***************************************************
I hope you gals have some back up. Those threats are just weird.
I do hope you find the answers, you so desperately need to know.  :) :) (hugs)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 14, 2008, 09:48:33 AM
Yeah, I hope the RCMP is looking into those threats. Must mean that over 40 years later, someone still has something to hid.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 16, 2008, 01:34:48 AM
Exactly, Chris..

I was followed the other day, and I did  not stop driving until I reached a public spot. Then I stepped out of my car to confront them, and they turned around and left, when they saw me park and get out of my car.

They were tailgating me, and they could not see the other occupants in the car, and we were all wondering...what the heck?

Why did I not report it, you are asking??? They were the RC's.

 :o, yep I am shocked!

I do take precautions...I have let everyone know, just in case...

Baba Donya



 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 16, 2008, 02:31:57 PM
Maybe you should get a camcorder. That is weird. DO the police consider any of y'all a suspect?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 16, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
I know this is odd, too. But... we could never be a suspects....we were too young.

Eventually it will come out!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 17, 2008, 05:18:02 PM
I sure hope so. With advances in Technology, it very well could.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 23, 2008, 06:23:16 AM
 ;) Yep, I do have a camcorder, etc. always with me.

I do wish we could get 'REAL' 'COMMITTED' and 'TRUSTWORTHY' help. The more we find out, the more we see the web of lies and how the "Conspiracy of Silence" on this case evolved.

It is too bad Sharon Batula's book did not explain more what was happening in Saskatoon at the time, or was she afraid to, or was she told to be careful about what she wrote???  Maybe she was warned not to go there??? Since she was writing and coming up with some sort of scenarios, it seems she fell short of her depiction of the societies and or people of Saskatoon at the time. She only scratched the surface.

Why are people to this day warning anyone who tries to get the answers to solving this murder, to be careful, to watch out???

Why would a person heed such a warning? Do you think this would be the case if a common criminal did it?

Questions, questions, questions.

I hope everyone watches television for the unsolved cases in Canada, on Canada AM. (this week)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on July 23, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
Thanks for that info on Canada AM, did not know that segment would be on. I surely will look on that. I did not see that today, I am a late riser sometimes and I don't know about tomorrow, going to play a game of Tarbish tonite and that could be late. I think that I would be calling the media out on the main street of Saskatoon and have an at least 5 or 10 minute interview right there and say what is happening about the threats and the "conspiracy of silence", keep telling about this and do not listen to this crap about conspiracy of silence, that is when I'd be out there with a bullhorn and a big parade behind me when somebody told me to shut up about it. Keep on talking and get many around you talking, just keep it going, DO NOT STOP NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY.GOOD LUCK ON THIS AND I WILL PRAY FOR ANSWERS MYSELF FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. KEEP SMILING AND THAT IS WHAT KILLS THEM, KEEP IT GOING  :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 23, 2008, 11:42:25 PM
Quote
What I think is the public, generally, is not aware of the numbers and types of murders that remain unsolved

I agree Des. Seems a lot of Canadians are not up to date on the things that go on in Canada.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 27, 2008, 08:45:38 AM
Des, I really cannot reveal at this time what we have now found out.

People are wanting to come forward, and they are.

Do you all watch Nancy Grace, on the recently missing Florida 2 yr. old girl. About the cadivor dogs...very interesting...then read the article about why the cadivor dogs that did not pick up the scent on my Auntie's shallow grave.

What a crock of hogwash...the excuse the Saskatoon police stated for the newspaper.

Why did Saskatoon Chief of Police at the time ...'NOT WANT TO CALL IN HELP FROM THE TORONTO POLICE???'...which it was offered.

Media and the public both wanted it...why did Chief Kettles refuse it??? His generic answer does not cut it today! ...Because Chief Kettles had already been a police chief for eight years, and there had never been a crime of this magnitude before in the City of Saskatoon. Why would he not welcome the help of an outside group of experienced professionals??? Wasn't Chief Kettles from Ontario? If he was why would he not want fellow comrades to come to his aid?

With Saskatoon's rich heritage of Ukrainian's, and Chief Kettles not being one... did this play a part in his decisions??? 

I have began to review many old cases... as many should. There is a pattern which has set a precedent, on the way many cases have been handled in Chief Kettles 'reign'. It has continued, as in the Martensdale case...it became more public than anyone in the police force ever anticipated. (Injustice Busters)

Why was the murder of my Auntie put on second or third pages of the newspaper, hidden from the public's eye. Why was it not FRONT PAGE???
I believe that any editor would have put it on the front page, what stopped this one at the time??? Why was my Auntie's story being kept or hidden from the public's eye, and the people who helped make this happen...why did they?

Why were measures taken at the time to squash this story, instead of taking all steps to solving the murder??? Who all is accountable???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on July 29, 2008, 09:17:40 PM
Darlin,
You need to calm down, these nice folks have plenty of info to mull over! I'm sure the new fellow in the Historical
Unit/Cold Case, will turn out to be just fine! He's smart and I believe his integrity is intack. That is why those ladies
are out there, now, searching for answers to questions that have not been answered. Due to their lack of knowledge, ;)(police)
on how to deal with a case like this,that was so Brutal and mysterious! Hopefully the new kid on the block will give this
family some closure! And I am sure he will be quite accommodating to them, as they have suffered a great loss!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 30, 2008, 12:50:44 AM
Hi GIS,

I assume you have good knowledge of this case. Is there a new detective working on it? You seem pretty sure this could be solved. Assuming of cause the person is still alive.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on July 31, 2008, 06:08:27 AM
Good morning,
Chris, you assume correctly! The newest one on the case. As you know, there has been a large turnover of
detectives on this case. To answer the third question, i'm a really optimistic person! And last but not least,
i'm sure they are!
Ya'll have a wonderful day!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 31, 2008, 08:05:03 AM
Thanks. It will be great if this does get solved. I assume they have a DNA sample to work with.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 31, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
 :-\ Not quite sure what you mean....GIS???

I am not sure how many suspects the Saskatoon Police had in 1962..., but why has there not been further DNA, of these 150 men or so....  coming forward to clear their names...., by giving their DNA samples.

Even though the person has died, his remaining children carry his DNA. As in Billy.... his daughter's DNA was taken to have his name removed. Plus brothers or sisters can be used, if the suspect has passed away.

Therefore, I hope those men who were suspects, offer up their DNA to help their names be eliminated off of the list(s).

DNA Science has come a long way in the past while.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 02, 2008, 07:03:02 AM
I am not sure who the new detective is on the case, unbeknown to me. I do believe that Det. Farion was in the Cold Case in Saskatoon, previously, and then got reassigned there, after a brief hiatis.

GIS...is this the new detective you are speaking about?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on August 02, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
  8)My Bad,
I'm sorry, I should reword that! Det.Farion worked briefly, back in 2003/2004, when they exhumed the body, at least that is what
I was lead to believe. ;)Det. Farion is the newest one to be working on the case, even though he has been on it for a couple of
years! Ya'll need to watch the documentary, it will answer alot of questions! ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on August 02, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
Do you know when and where this documentary will air GIS?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 02, 2008, 11:49:33 PM

The documentary GIS is probably referring to, is the one CBC did. It is called "Death of a Beauty Queen", I think..hmm...have to check the correct title for you later, if this one isn't the one.

There is not alot of answers on the documentary, just Det. Farion indicating his involvement in the past and present in the case.

It does interview alot of people, but not enough!

As each person comes forward, and gives their story to us, I am amazed what has come out!

GIS, you have a nice day ... too!

Debbie..you are probably right!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on August 03, 2008, 07:54:08 AM
 8)"Death of a Beauty Queen"
This CBC, Fifth Estate documentary aired in January/February of 2004. It was a one hour special. Hopefully, they will do a five year anniversary
special in January 2009. The 2004 documentary can be ordered from the CBC, but they want a pretty penny for it! About $75.00.
To answer a previous question re: DNA, should they be requesting DNA from many of their previous suspects, yes, have they,???????,
 But then again that is just my opinion!  Have they even been contacted?????????????
Just thought I would throw that out there! I really hope those girls out there question this!???????
ya'll, have a nice day! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 05, 2008, 01:29:35 PM
I know there are more than just our copies that are floating out there....

GIS, Thanks!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 08, 2008, 02:16:50 PM
Getting ready for another pilgrimage....

Does anyone know any good questions to ask, since we are newbies at detective work...what kinds of questions would you think that we may forget to ask?

We may have some media coverage.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on August 09, 2008, 07:55:38 AM
Good morning, 8)

             "THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE IN, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL,
              BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".
                                                                                                         ....Albert Einstein.............
Best of luck,
Make sure hair and make-up are done! ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 09, 2008, 11:16:36 AM
Just a question that comes to mind, "was every tip and lead that was given to the police followed and if not, why? Sometimes you find that in later investigation people called in to give a tip and the police just never got to the person to find out what their information was, even if it was a little detail that seemed insignificant, it may be a crucial bit of information. And the police chief that did not want the Ontario detectives, that is all about pride, they do not want to have another police force have to come in and solve their cases, it is total pride and that is all. They should have accepted help from any place they could get and did not accept it. Every police officer available should have been on the case and that was a mistake on their part. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 10, 2008, 01:26:50 AM
Yes, Des that is a good one, but I think pluralling it would be more accurate.

Plus Capeheart...I am adding your's, too. We have come across quite a few tossed reports (so to speak) that have been put to the wayside. UNBELIEVEABLE!

As for the police chief "pride" thing...yes, you are probably right...but, most professionals who take 'REAL PRIDE' in their job would have pooled all resources available to him! As Chief Kettles was already a police chief for 8 years, he should have known to do that much. Or had the police chief become too complacent in his job, and out of touch for real police work???

For those people who know, are just as guilty as the one(s) who murdered our Auntie, now. THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE! 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2008, 10:53:49 PM
What kind of pshycial evidence they have, and if that evidence can be used to match a to a person. I'd like to know that. Then it is a process of elimination.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2008, 11:35:45 PM
Quote
From what I understand Chris
they can match "it" to the person(s).

Well that is great news. Well, maybe not. In Canada it takes a couple of years to test DNA, so if they had a 69 year old suspect, he may be 75 before being charged, and 77 before he is convicted, and 80 before appeals are done, then he will be too old to keep in prison.

I hope this case does not take that long to solve.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 12, 2008, 06:42:18 AM
Sheeesh, it sure took awhile to get all of the papers in order! Yikes!

Anyways, today we begin.

Pray for us, that all goes well, and that we all come back safe and sound!

As for physical evidence, I want them to show us exactly what is left... Yes, it is amazing how so much has gone amiss.

Thanks for all of your help!  :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 12, 2008, 08:20:16 AM
I am so happy you have all the information you wanted. Keep us informed of your success and we certainly will pray for you to get answers so long awaited in this horrible crime. 8) 8) 8) 8) :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 14, 2008, 03:29:46 AM
Oh, my, we have been to three major cities today....

We had the most wonderful interview, today, so informative. WOW

 :)

Thanks, Capeheart!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 14, 2008, 07:46:22 PM
Glad everything went well!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 15, 2008, 02:32:51 AM
Hey Chris and everyone,

Had another very successful interview. Wrappping up today's events...we have more sceduled, and another interview with media.

There was a talk-show that was done by radio, about this...hmmm.....looking for a copy of that tape, and/or channel that it was on.....

We also have to squeeze in research time, at archives.

...Until tomorrow...today has been a long day! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 15, 2008, 01:05:46 PM
Baba Donya, sounds really good and glad that you are finally feeling good about what is happening. Hats of to you again and keep on trucking. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 15, 2008, 10:05:33 PM
That is great. I hope this does help move the investigation forward and brings in more tips.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 15, 2008, 11:29:14 PM
My suspicions about Det. Farion may be bang on. We have tried to contact this man since Tuesday for an appointment. He has not returned ONE CALL.

This is a tactic I am sure on his part. He will probably come up with some excuse why he could not take out 5 minutes in his day to return a call, or some other sad excuse. Is this what the taxpayers of Saskatoon pay for?????

Police officers are accountable to us the public, and if they have forgotten they work for us...IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

As for his attentiveness to this case, it does not exist. He would prefer that it does not get solved - I am sure!

This file has been sitting on a bed of hot leads(and one which was very HOT), since its' beginning, and they have not acted upon them....WHY?????

What we have found out today, is UNBELIEVEABLE!

Good Night

P.S. Thanks everyone for your positive chi --- it is helping. We have more appointments tomorrow, better sleep. :)



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 16, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
Is it possible he is on vacation?

I hpoe he calls back soon.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 16, 2008, 04:04:05 PM
If he is on vacation, how come his voice mail doesn't say so, or how come the staff do not know about it?????
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 16, 2008, 04:43:56 PM
That is a good point.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 18, 2008, 01:57:06 AM
Hi everyone...Well, still no call back from the police at all. (Even left a msg. with his co-worker)

Back in familiar territory again.

Does anyone remember an Episode on America Most Wanted.....on Alexandra Wiwcharuk. It may have been at least 10-15 years ago. This episode only aired in Saskatchewan....I think.

A lot of interviews, one person said, we probably have more information than that is in the Cold Case file. So much evidence was lost over the years.

We visited the grave today, and left roses and a cross from our mom. You know I still miss her so much. Everyone we have interviewed who actually knew her, said she was the friend who was a keeper!

Got more to do, not sure when we will be in the paper next. But we took pictures for the newspaper.

We did not get a chance to ask the questions, maybe next month when we return...???




Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 18, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
No I do not remember there was an episode like that. But it is true, the clue is probably in the files. I have seen over and over again how years later a new detective will look at the tfiles and will see things differenetly and the case gets solved because of something he\she saw in the files.

I really hope this is the case again.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 19, 2008, 12:51:31 AM
Chris,

That is if they ever let us read the files! :-\

With the police using the psychology that the longer they stall, they are hoping we will quit.

The police do not realize that we are not going to stop! We have only just begun!

If it is not in the files, it once was. It usually is.....
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 19, 2008, 01:45:16 PM
One thing I forgot to mention....was along this journey, I have found out that the man who was shooting at me when I was a little girl, and the man who went climbed into my bedroom when I was a little girl, was probably the same man who murdered my little friend.

He did get caught, and was incarcerated. Not sure how long though, he may be getting out soon.

The one who shot at me when I was little, may not be the same man, but if it wasn't there was a punk teenager who roamed Saskatoon at the time, and would do stuff like that. Not sure what happened to him though.

Very interesting info, if I did not get this out, I probably would have never found out.

 

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 19, 2008, 07:43:30 PM
The more you tell us about this case the more bizarre it seems. I just can't even think about all this happening to you, it sounds like an Agatha Christie novel. You sure have been through an awful lot of very scary and unusual experiences in this lifetime. I sure hope that you are safe and that you take caution on what you are doing. These are very violent people and I am thinking about you and glad you are getting some answers. All the best and keep safe, you and your sisters and family. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 20, 2008, 07:58:07 AM
Yes, I do take precautions, even to this day.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on August 22, 2008, 01:21:37 PM
Enough said! :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 22, 2008, 01:25:55 PM
GIS ???????

 :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 27, 2008, 12:55:25 AM
 >:( I am sorry to say, it has been brought to my attention, that someone has been copying and pasting what has been said here, and trying to sabotage the investigation.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 27, 2008, 10:27:45 AM
Baba Donya; I have read this thread and also tried to absorb the affiliated links.  I usually have to read something new twice and also have to keep going back and reminding myself of details to understand it all.  It's an age thing I guess :( but also a concentration problem I've developed) too much on this old hard drive on my shoulders.  Nonetheless; I keep striving for truth and justice.

Your struggle is so similar, in essence, to my families', it is uncanny.  I have made public accusations against those that murdered my nephew.  My family has the information and a lot of details that CLEARLY support our convictions. I keep waiting ever day to get charged for my accusations, but nothing yet??? 

There are two things that prevent our case being solved.
1.  The people who've come forward and given us the facts, have been accurate.  However, when you ask these people to give a written or tapped statement, they back off.  Thus, we have a lot of tapped info. (not agreed to) and also a few things that are second person info. (written and/or tapped info. but when you go to the source, they deny telling this person.  In spite of that, all the information adds up to the same scenario.  The facts all add up whether obtained through staunt hearted people who are brave and honest enough to give us sworn statements and stick to them; or whether it is second or third party information from honest people who received their information from nervous people who, for their own safety or because of their own personal connections and fear, must deny any involvement.  It's been 18 years for us, and one thing is for sure.... it always adds up to the same conclusion.

As is your problem, there is the additional deliberate corruption and abuse of position, that is always actively covering up.  How do you give a tip to the cops about the cops. 

The first day on my family's dilema, I had a gut instinct our own cousin was a major player in Clayton's murder.  No matter what transpired over the years, I always had this immovable instinct that this Brian Linganer was the #1 reason that Clayton is dead.  I strayed from that fact over and over and over, but ultimately, it bacame a realization that my gut instinct was right.  From day one, I knew the cops killed Clayton in a police "choke hold" .... there's no way of getting away from that ..... so you have to say...well,  which killed him?.... well, we soon had to swallow the fact ....BOTH! -  Brian Linganer (our cousin) and his two bulley friends, Donald Duck Mac Neil and Duck's cousin Willie Mac Neil booted Clayton until he probably was brain dead... then the police found Clayton in that condition and dragged him off to jail... then had him attended to and couldn't revive him... they put him in the choke hold to put him out of his misery (and shut him up for good in case by some miracle, he regained consciousness) then dumped his body.  These are the facts.  We've had ... I'd say hundreds of tidbits of information ... it all supports our facts.

The lifestyle and livelihood of the members of a small town police force and the who's who of the hospital, along with whichever authorities and government officials from Cape Breton to Ottawa, that aided in the cover-up, (including some RCMP officials) is affected.
So what chance do you think my family have of getting a Royal Commission to look into this?  The only hope is that the citizens of Canada who are aware of this case will sign a petition and help us scream at the Dept. of Justice in Ottawa. 

On Monday of this week, one of the thugs who beat Clayton, also murdered somebody else.  For eighteen years these three murderers have been getting off with everything from beating people, to going about the community driving drunk and high, to more low life activities than I could ever list, but they have the authorities "over a barrel" because the police share their crime of murder, plus made them feared and worshipped throughout the town, by the average joes who won't get involved and the lowlife like themselves who also worship gangs and organized crime.  As GIS said "there's evil out there!"

So, my friend, I feel for you and worry for you.  My head and heart pains for what you and yours have been through.  You are now part of my regimen of prayers and pleas to God.

I know, Baba Donya, I have frightfully accurate instincts; and I must say there's something I don't like about a certain poster on this thread.  I feel in my gut, this person is posting here to deliberately threaten you...at least toying with your fears..... He's not fooling us! ...he/she is either sick/mental or attached to the feinds involved.

Please, please take care.  I know you are going to succeed but you really got to watch your back because I truly believe it's more than one who did this.  I believe they got the greatest pleasure in feeling the rush of power every time they destroyed evidence and hampered the investigation.  I believe they still relive their pleasure and victory through others.  I wish I lived close to you.  I would be right behind you and right out in front of you both.  I am very familiar with this type's tactics and can smell them a mile away.  Keep in mind that one modest good deed counteracts a lifetime of their powerful bad deeds.   
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 27, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
What are they doing with the information from this site?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 27, 2008, 03:03:34 PM
Chris; I'd say there's a certain poster who can't help making a snide remard now and then ... yet ...tries to appear sympathetic but may be here primarily to read this thread and report back to someone who doesn't go online or is not computer savy....like someone "older" >:(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 27, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
I am sure that happens. It has in the past.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 28, 2008, 01:00:25 AM
I have to be very careful right now...for sure! I cannot believe how accurate you are 'Lostlinganer'...WOW!

Des....I wish I could tell you!!!

This person/people have caused a lot of stress, since I found out, not just to me. Reading between the lines, and the postings, I think it is a smoke screen for something worse.

"Stirring Up Dust, So That No One Knows What Really Is Happening"

Thank you for your prayers! God Bless All of You!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2008, 09:53:03 AM
Good morning, 8)

             "THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE IN, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL,
              BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".
                                                                                                         ....Albert Einstein.............
Best of luck,
Make sure hair and make-up are done! ;)

I see this post as deliberately challenging and threatening - bragging for those who are controlling this cover-up and giving a cocky warning of harm to those fighting for justice for this beautiful young woman - who these feinds believed that could just "take" and do what they wanted with, and then destroy her.  It's sick how some guys can't accept they can't have the pretty girl!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Enough said! :-\

Again; this poster is blatently expressing: "you're right! you better be afraid!"
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2008, 10:12:32 AM
Darlin,
You need to calm down, these nice folks have plenty of info to mull over! I'm sure the new fellow in the Historical
Unit/Cold Case, will turn out to be just fine! He's smart and I believe his integrity is intack. That is why those ladies
are out there, now, searching for answers to questions that have not been answered. Due to their lack of knowledge, ;)(police)
on how to deal with a case like this,that was so Brutal and mysterious! Hopefully the new kid on the block will give this
family some closure! And I am sure he will be quite accommodating to them, as they have suffered a great loss!!

Maybe I'm reading wrongly between the lines; this is his/her first post on this site.
It seems sincere enough; any of us could have posted this...... after following this person's next two posts, I start getting a feeling they are making fun out of all this.....so I start going back and reading again to get a feel of this person... and I feel like they are not here for the same reasons as the rest of us....also I am smelling "cop" ....note inappropriate gestures (smileys) after remarks.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
  8)My Bad,
I'm sorry, I should reword that! Det.Farion worked briefly, back in 2003/2004, when they exhumed the body, at least that is what
I was lead to believe. ;)Det. Farion is the newest one to be working on the case, even though he has been on it for a couple of
years! Ya'll need to watch the documentary, it will answer alot of questions! ::)
 
again; here i'm smelling "cop"...."bad cop" .....cocky and expressing (between the lines - imho - "doesn't matter how many they put on the case; they're not going to find anything or solve it! ....and documentary/s doesn't scare anyone either!"
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on August 28, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
You know lost, I sent Baba Donya a PM immediately after the first post like this was written. In it I asked her if she thought the post had an undertone that was almost taunting. If you check you will see that every post written by this poster has been on this topic. Hopefully he/she has not managed to undermine the investigation in any way. I don't think Baba ever gave any real info out on this site so I'm hoping not.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on August 28, 2008, 02:36:56 PM

Hi there, Was doing some re reading, which I often do. I have to leave now, but back tonight!

Bab, Do you remember I wrote you? I still feel something is wrong here. We may all speak our opinions, and I know there is one on this thread, who is being deceitful. I figure you guys know who.

GIS What is your reason for being here? Are you surely interested in this killing, of a beautiful young woman, or is there an ulterior motive. Hell, Maybe I am wrong, I would love to be wrong. Prove me I am wrong. OK?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 28, 2008, 06:44:10 PM

Mark Twain once said: [i]"You will never truly understand your relatives until you have to share an inheritance."[/i]
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on August 28, 2008, 07:00:47 PM
 8)My Goodness,
Adrian....Oh!, believe you me, I am as serious as any one of you! OK, Adrian your wrong!
I am not a police officer, I can assure you that! Is there a problem steering people in the right direction?
Re: Fifth Estate Docu.? It does have "some" correct info!
Re: Aug.2, was that a problem giving correct information?
Re: Aug.9, quote from Einstein, People who "Do Not" come forward with information to help solve a crime
are just as guilty as the person who commits them, don't you think? :-\ Well I think they are, and they
are out there!
Ya'll, need not worry here there is nothing sinister going on, OK...Just answering questions, is all! I was
under the impression that you wanted people to speak out, was I wrong?
Have a lovely evening!
(and i'm not be sarcastic, okay)
Yeah!, don't "I" know it babadonya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2008, 07:22:55 PM
Baba what do you mean?  possibly that you inherited her fear.... her need for justice???  I think I'm a little slow on this one.

One thing is clear though... GIS is taunting you...and don't believe that southern cowboy accent at all.

GIS, it was me, not Adrian who said I smell bad cop....
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 28, 2008, 07:32:27 PM
I was about to type in that I wasn't so sure it was GIS....

But my computer was too slow, so I had to reboot.

I believe it is someone else.

Could be a guest...I do not know what this person's nic is???

But this person is keeping track of what I have posted.

Ever read the novel "1984 or is it 1994"???  kinda/sorta/like that...that is how it feels.

LOL...I hope I win the lottery.(Those who have read this book will understand what this means.)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 28, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
That is what I believe, too!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 28, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
Can someone send me a PM and explain what this is all about? Thanks.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 28, 2008, 10:19:52 PM
This is a dumb question...but how do I post a PM?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on August 28, 2008, 10:23:36 PM
Hi Baba,  just send a PM the same way you did when you sent mine. I think that is what he means.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on August 28, 2008, 11:58:10 PM


Speak your minds, as you see fit. GIS < I guess that it , unfair I centred you out.These people here need to try solve a crime, no one wants to.They are being threatened and whatnot.

I recieved a message concerning this thread. I acted on it.

Alexandra, needs to have closure to her family. The killer needs to be caught.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 29, 2008, 12:16:53 AM
Thanks Debbie...got it. :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 29, 2008, 12:28:37 AM
I truly believe the person who has gone to great lengths to copy what I have written; or what we have all written about on the subject of trying to find who murdered my Auntie Alexandria, better watch out for charma!

I think these people who are doing this... is trying to discredit us, one of us at a time!

What a Shame!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 29, 2008, 04:22:46 PM
Do you think it would slow down the investigation? I think the police would investigate this regardless of who is doing what. If anything, it seems it could peak police interest? I'm still not sure how copying and pasting stuff from this site would affect anything, unless I am missing something.

If the police have DNA (and I think someone said they do), I think it is just a matter of time. If the person is American by chance, it may be harder, but it will happen.

I hope the killer is alive. I can only imagine it must be hard to have though you got a awayw with something for 45 years, and then you go to jail for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 30, 2008, 12:24:17 PM
Yes, Chris...I believe as you do that they would be intrigued...to see where this is going...

I do not believe that they would get their feathers in a ruffle....it is not like this stuff isn't posted all over the net, in regards to all of their names....

It is already posted in some form of public forum, it has been already out there, so to be alarmed...that what was said here was too much...there is more smut out on the net, than here!

Which the police are well aware of, I am positive! Nothing posted in this site, does not have a resource.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on September 08, 2008, 10:59:58 AM


By CHRIS PURDY, THE CANADIAN PRESS
   

SASKATOON -- It was 1962 when the little Cherneske girls grew frightened by the quiet and sadness that fell over their family home in Yorkton, Sask.

They were told their favourite aunt had gone to heaven and in the months that followed, they heard whispers of "murder" and promises to "get that bad man."

The eldest girl, 11-year-old Lorain, secretly clipped stories out of newspapers that detailed how Alexandra Wiwcharuk had been raped, beaten and buried alive on the north side of Saskatoon near the South Saskatchewan River.

"I couldn't believe this was my auntie this had happened to. I was absolutely horrified," said Lorain Phillips, now a 57-year-old married grandmother living in Victoria, B.C.

She and three of her younger sisters were unable to forget the crime and the fact police never made an arrest. It's bothered them so much that they have become amateur sleuths themselves, trying to crack the case.

The youngest in the group, Patty Storie, 49, of New York, explained that they waited until this year, after they had retired from their jobs and their own children had grown, to tackle the detective work full time.

The group of sleuthing sisters, which also includes Gwen Taralson, 50, of Bonnyville and Lynn Gratrix, 52, of Edmonton, has promised to meet in Saskatoon each month during their investigation.

NEW WITNESSES

They have so far interviewed about 100 witnesses -- friends, ex-boyfriends, strangers and even some suspects -- all of whom are over 60.

"There are actually a few people that the police haven't talked to who have so much information," said Storie. "There have been a couple bombshells that have sat us back in our seats, that's for sure."

Wiwcharuk, 23, had just started working as a nurse in Saskatoon when she went missing in May 1962. Two weeks later, a young boy found her hand sticking out of the ground near some bush by the river.

When they next meet in Saskatoon at the end of September, they will unveil a downtown billboard advertising their 1-800 phone number for tips in the case.

They have paid for everything themselves.

"We feel now that the only way maybe that someone is going to start speaking out is with a family's presence to know she's still loved and she is still missed," said Taralson.

"Sometimes people are afraid of talking, but we're ladies and they seem to like to talk to us," added Gratrix.

MURDER SCENARIOS

The sisters have so far come up with four different murder scenarios, each complete with one or more suspects, all who are still alive.

The women are tight-lipped about what information they have uncovered. Taralson revealed one of their prime suspects was never considered by police.

The women have the support of the Saskatoon police cold case unit and have promised to eventually share what they know.

But in many ways these detectives are starting from scratch. Over the past decades, some evidence from the crime scene was lost due to poor police storage. Other evidence was destroyed during the demolition of an old hospital.

DNA EVIDENCE

In 2004, the family gave police permission to exhume Wiwcharuk's body. Using new technology, experts found unknown DNA.

For now, the sisters are keeping multiple copies of their files and interviews locked safely away in various places. Gratrix claims they are very close to solving the crime.

"Whoever's out there that did this, I bet they're cringing in their boots," she said.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on September 08, 2008, 11:06:05 AM
You ladies have a lot of good wishes and prayers behind you coming from good people in Cape Breton, NS.
This case is so like the Clayton Miller case, it's uncanny....same cover-up!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 08, 2008, 01:52:10 PM
THANK YOU, ADRIAN

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 08, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
Lost....thank you for your prayers and kind words. There is someone who knew my auntie very dearly out your way. When she read the book, she was so disturbed by it, when she started calling old school mates...and telling them, they have now decided not to read the book.

The impact of trying to mislead the reader to think my auntie was someone she was not. (That in itself explains how little the author knew my auntie.)

One of the ladies that was interviewed told us, "Alex was a way better friend then I could ever be."

Never-the-less, I speak for all women who have been murdered and their murders have been unsolved...it does not matter who you were, your family deserves closure, you were loved, and your murderer/s need to be brought to justice!

I too have faith the truth will come!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 08, 2008, 02:09:40 PM
 8) ...there is more.... ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 08, 2008, 10:56:41 PM
Thank you Boek!

So how familiar are you with this case???

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on September 09, 2008, 12:57:01 AM
Wow, that is a great idea doing the billboard. I hope it gets some good tips.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 09, 2008, 02:16:42 AM
Thx...Chris! :)

Knee deep in Cold Case File Reading, and real Crimes solved...looking for parrallels.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 09, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
I cannot believe how many newspapers this article went into.

Thank God for the Canadian Press! Bless You All! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 14, 2008, 11:14:03 PM
Did anyone listen to Mike on Crime tonight?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on September 15, 2008, 01:17:51 AM
No I did not. Glad a lot of interest in being generating. When this gets solved, it will be a MEGA story.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 16, 2008, 12:47:02 AM
I guess a Mega story...but not for me...

For me it will be a dream come true!

A Blessing!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on September 16, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
You are talking about a story in the newspaper, but we are down east and I guess you are talking about the west coast. Is there a link that you could give so we could read some of the stories that were written in your investigation into Alexandra's death. Hope you can put a link on here so we can read the progress you're making. Best of luck in everything you're doing.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 17, 2008, 10:46:43 AM
If you google...."Alexandra Wiwcharuk"

That pretty much shows our progress..., or what we can reveal.

All the media coverage is posted on the web.

Also in Yahoo...they have their own News, and when you query "Alexandra Wiwcharuk", it too gives you other media updates.

The website: www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net, is up, but has not been updated for awhile, but it does give you a good background of newspaper articles written by the media, throughout the years.

There is more to it than that...but we have to be close lipped about it.

Mike on Crime...just googled will give you his site, plus it is also found when you google "Alexandra Wiwcharuk". (He does cross Canada radio shows on crimes all over Canada.) (Sunday nights)

More is coming...

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 23, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
The Billboard has been postponed.  :-\
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2008, 08:33:52 AM
Why?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 02, 2008, 11:55:54 PM
One of my sisters fell ill, but now she is better and we unveiled the billboard yesterday. Sorry for no updates, I was in Saskatoon, for the unveilling.

I will let you all know when the followup for CBC will be aired.

This trip was such a whirlwind of activity.

The telephone number on the billboard is our phone number and not Crime Stoppers.

Today, there was writeups in the Edmonton Journal, and the Saskatoon Pheonix.

We also were on a radio talk show in Saskatoon.

Hopefully, all of this will bring us closer to who murdered her.

 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on October 03, 2008, 12:41:09 AM


Family of slain woman erects billboard to help solve case
Relatives await DNA results for nurse murdered 46 years ago
 
Darren Bernhardt
Saskatoon StarPhoenix; Canwest News Service

Thursday, October 02, 2008

SASKATOON - A billboard featuring a larger-than-life profile of a young woman surveys a downtown Saskatoon street, her tranquil gaze betrayed by the words "murdered nurse."

It went up Wednesday under the watchful eyes of relatives of Alexandra Wiwcharuk, a 23-year-old beauty queen and nurse who was raped, beaten and buried in a shallow riverbank 46 years ago.

"We're on a quest here, hoping this sign today will draw a lot more people out with information about what happened to our aunt," said Patty Storie, one of four sisters -- nieces of Wiwcharuk -- who have been personally investigating the case.

"Someone out there knows what happened," said Storie, who now lives in New York.

"The family needs closure. Nobody can get on with their lives," said Lorain Phillips of Victoria. Phillips and Storie are joined in their pursuit by their sisters Lynn Gratrix of Edmonton and Gwen Taralson of Bonnyville, Alta.

The amateur detectives say they have gathered reams of material, interviews, and evidence, including DNA of a leading suspect.

"We will be handing that over to the police and if anything comes of it, well, we'll see in a month-and-a-half," said Storie, noting that's how long they have been told it will take to get a DNA profile.

Advances in science led to Wiwcharuk's body being exhumed from her Saskatoon grave in 2004. Samples were taken from remaining tissue. Last year a high-tech lab in Thunder Bay found the profile of a male, which Saskatoon police have been using to match up against 13 "persons of interest" identified over the years, according to Sgt. Phil Farion of the Saskatoon Police Service's historical case unit.

The billboard lists a toll-free number for tips:

1-866-794-1962. The last four digits refer to the year Wiwcharuk was killed. The sisters have also set up a website: www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net.

Wiwcharuk, then 23, was last seen on the evening of May 18, 1962. Her body was found on May 31.

An autopsy determined she had been raped and was still alive when she was buried, ultimately choking to death.
? The Edmonton Journal 2008


Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 03, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
It looks like the end could be near on the long wait to solve this crime and finally get justice for Alexandra and her family.  I think it would be amazing after 46 years to be able to solve a murder. It would sure be one of the oldest ones I would have heard of. Thank God for DNA. Hopefully the murderer is still living if and when that time comes, so that he can actually suffer the humiliation of having everyone in his life know that he was responsible for such a horrible crime. I guess maybe he will be spending his last days in prison where he belongs. This murder was one of the most horrific I have heard of due to the fact that she was still alive when he buried her.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 03, 2008, 07:32:32 PM
I know I've had a long hard day, so I probably am going to sound crazy; well here goes anyway.
I don't know a heck of a lot about DNA and how it is processed, but I can't help but wonder about something - so I'm going to ask a question here.
Do hospitals have a DNA databank (so to speak) - I mean they have our "blood type" records - our injury records - our desease records..... why not our DNA.
I think when it comes to solving murders, this would really narrow down the suspects... maybe I'm off on this but there's got to be more than just criminal  DNA data bases?  I'm just wondering how they match with suspects.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 03, 2008, 08:21:24 PM
Glad this has gone up. Let's hope we get some answers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 04, 2008, 12:59:58 AM
Yes, there should be a data bank of DNA somewhere...but then again, it would be an invasion of one's privacy...very possibly.

But you know, what alot of people don't get, is that it also helps to ELIMINATE them as suspects.

Why wouldn't you just come in, and do it!

But then again, we can rely now on family members, which is a blessing. So these person/s who were involved with any part in her murder will be coming to justice, I know that now! Their children or grandchildren will be able to help with that. (Just as they did in 911)

The murderer(s) should come forward now, so that their family does not carry the blame, but the perpretrators, themselves will. But what am I saying, the murderer(s) never had a conscience when they did this to my Auntie Alexandria, and left her for dead, why would I think they have one now???

Although, now, each day something new unfolds. We are getting closer! We can all feel it!

Not only is it to our persistence, but to the people who pray for us daily. To the people who are now finally coming forward, and the people who are doing what they can to help publicize our efforts. The people of Saskatoon, could not be any more accomodating then what they have been. May God Bless Everyone!


Maybe our medical doctors should keep a record, of our DNA. That way it would be private. What a GREAT idea... Lost!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 05, 2008, 03:52:29 PM
As far as I know there is no DNA databank. Now when a person is charged with certain crimes and I believe if you are incarcerated for anything that your DNA is taken, at least in some states, Canada, I'm not sure. In the states that is how they are getting some criminals now, they just run the DNA and it goes to the DNA bank and bingo they get a hit and it sure helps solve some serious crimes. It is the greatest tool right now to solving crimes. I really don't think I would be willing to just give my DNA for no reason. Some mistakes are made and if your DNA was floating around out there, it would not be good if it was not in a definite secure place. That would be a good idea, I guess, but I would think about it myself. For instance just about a month or two ago there was some forensic doctor in Ontario had put innocent people in jail because of what he said his findings were. They overturned all of the people that were convicted, because he was not an accurate pathologist. I am undecided on that, Lostlinganer. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 07, 2008, 12:13:31 AM
I think like finger prints, anyone who gets a record of any kind should put there dna in the database. I have a misdemenor record from 1989 so my finger prints will always be on file, why not add DNA to people too now?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 08, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
Yes, if you are in a situation where you have to give your fingerprints, then DNA should be extracted also. But I think that what some were speaking of was just let everybody who is just an ordinary citizen just volunteer their DNA for no reason. I am not sure I agree with that. However, should you have to give fingerprints, then DNA should be extracted.  However, I believe that in the USA you have to give your DNA when arrested, not sure if this is in all states or not. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 08, 2008, 04:24:20 PM
In the future it would not surprise me at all to see DNA taken at birth and recorded right along with you're other birth information. I think a lot of people would probably be up in arms about that, but I can see arguments for both sides. I'm sure it has made things much easier for law enforcement in the states where DNA is extracted at arrest (don't know if that includes all states either). There are many cases that would never be solved without DNA, and many bodies that would never be identified, and many families that would never have closure. Alexandra is a very good example of that. Even with all the hard work and after 46 years, in the end it comes down to DNA.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 09, 2008, 10:13:40 AM
Exactly, Debbie...it boils down to DNA.

Or a confession.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 09, 2008, 12:56:55 PM
ok I may be off base here and missed something key in this thread which I'm usually prone to do. Alexandra was murdered in 1962 and she was a nurse right? David Milgaard was accused of a crime in 1969 where I believe the victim was also a nurse. Then later it was proven another guy, Larry Fisher had done the crime. Well, was this not the same city where both crimes were commited? Could Larry Fisher have commited this murder of Alexandra or was he too young or incarcerated for another crime?

Again if I missed something, I apologize because I do forget.

As well, my guy the rest stop creep here in Ontario had a propensitity to kill nurses in Toronto. It took police years to finally get him on those murders. Maybe the police should see if he was out west in the 60's .
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 13, 2008, 12:28:44 PM
Hi Mauve....I thought of that connection, too.

But, I really think forensic psychologists would believe that it was someone known to her.  Just by what type of physical attack happened.

I  think...but could possibly be off base.

There was also more nurses murdered....later too...one by North Battleford,  if I can recall correctly.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 13, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
From what I have read it was a particularily vicious attack so you're probably right and it was personal.
I shudder to think the maniac who did this has been on the loose for these many, many years. Hopefully, he's been in prison for something unrelated and he hasn't hurt any other family in the manner he hurt yours. My heart really goes out to all of you for the pain your family has suffered.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: me on October 14, 2008, 10:48:18 AM
Baba - My prayers are with you and your family.  May your answers come soon.


Regarding DNA data banks - I've talked to cops about this and the biggest problem is a lack of co-ordination in policy and linking databases from one jurisdiction to another.  For instance, even in the states, very few regions take the DNA sample upon arrest or even upon conviction.  One major problem that the States have is that a lot of the convicts aren't required to submit DNA until they are released.  With the time lag for processing (4 to 10 weeks), perps can re-commit and the DNA connection isn't made.  Even once the DNA is in the data bank, coordination of searches from one databank to another can take a very long time.  I'm no expert on this, but I believe that the States is farther along at coordinating a national system than we are.

Computers and databases can be great tools, but sometimes I am bothered by the legal systems apparent desire to depend on DNA.  Computers can malfunction, databases are only as good as the person(s) controlling them.  I believe the key is the detective work, such as what Baba and her sisters are doing.  Then the DNA can be used to confirm guilt or rule it out.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 14, 2008, 12:39:43 PM
I agree me.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 15, 2008, 10:48:55 PM
Thank you.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 18, 2008, 12:52:42 PM
Last night I just caught the end of The Fifth Estate, and they previewed an episode that will be about Alexandra Wiwcharuk and her family's quest to find her murderer. They did not say the date the show will air but I will sure be watching for it. For anyone that is interested it is on CBC. I'm not sure if Friday is the regular night, however it was on at 10:00 pm Friday night.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 18, 2008, 05:33:18 PM
Debbie, where I live the fifth estate is on Monday nights and then re-runs every night of the week thereafter for those of us who have the satellite godess and mother Bell. Lol You can be sure I'll be glued to the story too. It would be really nice to see some justice for these cold cases, it's been a long time coming...too long.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 19, 2008, 03:46:15 AM
CBC often has it's shows online.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 19, 2008, 10:59:42 AM
I sure would like to watch that program, I forget when the Fifth Estate is on, I thought it was Sunday here and it comes on CTV also, but I am not sure of what times. I will check online, maybe I can get it on there as you said, Chris.  I am sure if the murderer is out there and living at this time, he must be sweating and people around him would notice a change in his mannerisms and his emotions. Hope it all comes down to this person finally facing justice. My prayers are with all of the family and the hard work that is going on to take this person to trial and close this case once and for all.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 19, 2008, 11:20:30 AM
Cape; Fifth Estate was on last night, but it covered the story of the Kennedy diary farm couple who have lost everything due to some kind of misrepresetation by a financial rep. who have this senior aged couple struggling for their daily bread and either lost or losing their dairy farm due to investment crooks (you know! the kind who rob without the mask - hide behind lies and luring.) God help these people being stripped of their right to live ...and losing what they slaved for all their lives.
I do find Fifth Estate repeats a lot of old shows and you have to ve vigilant to catch one you haven't seen before. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: haunted on October 19, 2008, 12:37:32 PM
fifth estate says this program will be aired Wed Oct 22 on CBC9 9 p.m. (not sure what region this time is). I will definitely be watching.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 19, 2008, 01:24:02 PM
thanks haunted; I've placed a footnote here on my pc to remind me to watch for it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 19, 2008, 04:20:06 PM
Also, I just went over the TV guide on my digital cable and it shows that Fifth Estate is on tonight at 11:00 p.m. and I don't think that is a regular time for it, but I will watch to see if it is the program related to Alexandra. This is Sunday the 19th of October and there is a program slated for 11:00 p.m. tonight, but what is going to be on there, I have no idea, maybe it's the same thing as was on  last evening. I saw that one Lost, related to the farmer who lost his investments, I am so glad I don't have money, because I really couldn't handle it if I lost the amount of money that gentleman lost. However, I believe he got it all back, he was not allowed to disclose what the settlement was, but I bet it was a handsome sum, which he deserved.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 19, 2008, 05:55:41 PM
I just watched Fifth Estate for earlier then I thought on CBC Channel 30, it will also be on again at 11:00. It was a story, I didn't see before the case of the Officer training program Joe Grozell that was missing and found dead a couple of years ago. This was a mystery and a lot of questions and no answers on this. There has been no conclusion as to what happened, initially they said he committed suicide, but from all appearances it doesn't add up. Heartbreaking for the family. The next show to be on is Alexandra's case, there was a preview at the end, but it didn't say what night.  So, I will watch on the 22nd and make sure I don't miss it. :'( 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 19, 2008, 07:05:25 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/
just saw an add on CBC (my channel 5 because I don't use cable) that the show will be on Wednesday night at 9 o'clock.
On the above link, I got the impression it's been aired elsewhere but you can watch it online....going to check that out again.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 20, 2008, 02:30:12 AM
I'll watch it too!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 20, 2008, 06:54:15 AM
Thanks Lost for the time.  I had it all written down now on my coffee table so I won't miss it. I will also this evening check out the site which you have marked and possibly like Chris said, that it maybe online and able to watch it. I don't think that Joe Grozell's case is on here, I checked. His body was found in Kingston, Ontario, that is where the military college is. Well, I will catch up later, on the way to the dentist now. Over and out. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 20, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
Joe's was a sad case.We searched(my daughter and I) for the three weeks he was missing. I always knew he would be found in the river but I also knew he wasn't there all the time he had been missing. The military college had a few bad incidents just before Joe's disappearance that didn't come out till a long time after he was found. I personally believe his case belongs on here but with the lack of  an established cause of death and no indications on his body that he was it can never be proven he was murdered. The coroners best guess was hypothermia but it was just that a guess and with the abscence of water in his lungs, suicide doesn't seem to be a very good option either.
Unfortunately, Joe was and still is to this day a strong case of government shush up. Just a few words from someone who observed the goings on and thinks this case screams for answers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 20, 2008, 01:50:14 PM
Too bad they didn't know Dr. Joe Roach at the time; he would have offered "dry drowning".
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 20, 2008, 03:44:50 PM
Ling, what is "dry drowning'? I don't think I've ever heard the term before.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 20, 2008, 04:19:57 PM
in my terms- (something about a few drops of cold water hitting the windpipe causing the breathing apparatus to close off suddenly and completely..... very rare!)
It's what NWPD friend Dr. Joe Roach claimed killed Clayton.... imo...it's the only thing he could come up with that would enable his cop friends to dump Clayton's body in the brook at the nest.... he never drowned...no water in him...but they needed a cod.....

medical terms - Dry drowning is when a person's lungs become unable to extract oxygen from the air, due primarily to:

Muscular paralysis
Puncture wound to the torso (affecting ability of diaphragm to create respiratory movement)
Changes to the oxygen-absorbing tissues
Persistence of laryngospasm when immersed in fluid
Breathing for too long any gas other than oxygen that does not kill the patient on its own. (e.g. Helium)
Overdose of free water (solute free) which leads to decreased sodium in the blood hyponatremia which leads to massive swelling in the brain.
The person may effectively drown without any sort of liquid. In cases of dry drowning in which the victim was immersed, very little fluid is aspirated into the lungs. The laryngospasm reflex essentially causes asphyxiation and neurogenic pulmonary edema (oedema).

Dry drowning can occur clinically, or due to illness or accident, or be deliberately (and repeatedly) induced in torture (waterboarding).
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 20, 2008, 05:27:54 PM
Thanx for the explanation. They couldn't find anything on Joe. Nothing to indicate, murder, suicide, drowning, not even death by natural means. I would say that's somewhat bizarre in the case of a 21 year supposedly healthy male.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 20, 2008, 06:07:48 PM
Mauve, I definitely think that Joe was murdered. There was a coverup from the getgo, just like his father said. For some reason he left his apartment and it was I think someone came to his room and he left with them and was unaware of what was going to happen. The fact that his shoes were on and that his clothing from the waist down was not, that is really weird. His father noted all of this.  They searched the area thoroughly before and did not find his body and then three days later found him, this is definitely a coverup and someone knows what happened to him. That video that they showed of three or four people running and all was suspicious, but that was not found out until sometime after the investigation. Prayers and I hope someday justice for the family of Joe. 

I know we are on Alexandra's page, but I will be watching for her program on Fifth Estate on Wednesday evening October 22nd on CBC.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 22, 2008, 10:11:39 PM
Hi all,
Came across this discussion while searching, after watching the 5th estate documentary. I did  scan all the posts in this thread, however, forgive me if  I am rehashing old/irrelevant questions but here are a few preliminary ?'s  that popped up:

Alexandria was last seen by  the boys  at around 9:30 pm.
Autopsy showed that TOD was around 10 PM. Cause of death was suffocation due to inhaled  dirt.
She had been buried in a shallow grave.
She had been raped
It must have taken  a few minutes for her to die?
Taking these factors into account, it leaves very little time for the actual crimes of rape and bludgeoning since one has to deduct burial from the time factor of a half hour.
Would this suggest that there was more than one perp?
Would it also suggest that they had digging tools with them to facilitate a fast digging?
It suggests that the victim was not abducted, dead or alive, to later be brought back to the scene of the crime. There was simply not enough time for that.
What was the opinion of the time of death based on?
How far from the spot where the boys saw her, was her body found?



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Locoster on October 22, 2008, 10:37:41 PM
Baba:
I just finished watching the latest CBC show, and I recalled a previous CBC documentary had mentioned a Corvette being involved or investigated, but no mention this time.  Do you know anything about a Corvette ever being mentioned in connection with the investigation?

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Wow good point about the digging part. That would be quite a long time. It starts to get dark at that time too. It would suggest to me, if death was 10pm, 9:30ish would be when the attack began. Those boys probably are solid since it would be easy to break them if they were involved, so whatever happened must have been shortly after that.

I missed the program, i went to record it but it did not. I hope it is online so I can watch it there.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 23, 2008, 09:19:51 AM
I find it miraculous that male DNA  was found on the remains after a 42 year burial. I am interested in learning how this is possible since I have read strong evidence to the contrary.

Here is my dilemma: Exhumation of the remains of Lynne Harper - a  47 yr old burial -  yielded no results for DNA. In the words of the chief pathologist.."the remains were skeletonized".

Alexandria's remains, although 5 years newer, yielded male DNA.
Can a knowledgeable person tell me how  this can be?

I gather that Lynne Harper was buried in the ground , not within a concrete vault.  What was the situation  for Alexandria..was she buried in a vault?

If so, then I would assume that the vault greatly contributes to  preserving the DNA
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: henhen on October 23, 2008, 03:37:16 PM
It bothers me that this is an unsolved murder but I am also bothered that this could be another Milgard senerio,this could happen because of old storys and hear-say from 46 years ago, if you interview a 1000 people you will get 1000 storys that are from old memorys and when you sift threw them and pick the most believable ones, you most likely get just gossip and hear-say, which bugs me,the DNA will tell the truth and hard facts,not a bunch of old lies and storys,good luck to the siters,I hope the amateur Police work does not hurt an innocent family again,like the saskatoon people Milgard. :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: haunted on October 23, 2008, 03:48:14 PM
I find it miraculous that male DNA  was found on the remains after a 42 year burial. I am interested in learning how this is possible since I have read strong evidence to the contrary.
*******************

digdig:
I was under the impression that it was hair that was found that did not belong to Alexandra. That is where the police and the journalist said last night that they would have to rule out people like the police involved, the undertaker etc. It may or may not have been from the murderer. At least that was what I understood from the broadcast.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 23, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
 :-\so if the hair belongs to undertaker/s or police, who's to say it's not the hair of the murderer?  .... just a thought
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 23, 2008, 04:50:02 PM
I was also greatly surprised of DNA being found on the remains. Was it DNA that was under the clothing???This is just too unrealistic to me. Quite a bit of information is very positive and I feel hopeful that the family will get their answers, not especially from the DNA that was found after the exhumation. The hopeful part is that the police do feel that the suspect has been questioned in all of the names that were presented and it is now down to 13, which is like a dream come true, if those 13 can be found??? Also, one of the lady's who are investigating indicated she had DNA that she was taking to the police, she had her own theory of what happened and she could be right on the money.  Obviously she must have gotten this DNA from someone she suspected and went a round about way to get it. They must feel great anticipation and I feel they are on the right track and could get a break at any time and pray that their success continues in their investigation.  All the best to you ladies in solving this crime that was so horrendous, the details are horrifying on how Alexandra died.  I noted that there were some alcohol beverage bottles that were with the Exhibits, did they ever know if someone may have laid in wait in the woods drinking and was just there to attack the first female who came along or was he just waiting for Alexandra??? I also was unaware that when she was murdered that there was construction going on in that area. There could be persons from other provinces working on the construction site and may just have been passing through and committed this horrible crime. ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 23, 2008, 04:53:05 PM
Haunted,
I  either read or heard on the 5th that the hair found was red and turned out to be Alexandria's hair.
There was other  DNA evidence found. They described "on the remaining tissue".

You're right. Male DNA found might not be from the perp, but from the people who handled the body.
That said, we are not sure at this point what  kind of DNA was found. If it was  prostatic DNA then, of course, we can rule out the  pathologist etc.

And let's not kid ourselves: A search can turn up the most unexpected results. Look at the case of Mary Sullivan, the last victim of the Boston Strangler, from 1963. Here it was a 37 year burial  uncovered and the experts found remains of semen
 on the pubic hair of the victim. This evidence was tested and was good enough to exclude the man they had suspected all along: Albert DeSalvo.

Maybe they will be that lucky with Alexandria's remains?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: haunted on October 23, 2008, 05:05:25 PM
I understood that the 30 strands of the reddish colored hair was hair they found at the scene and were able to determine they belonged to Alexandra. Then upon exhumation they found other evidence that yielded dna. I assume hair because it would they said it could have belonged to the police or undertaker, certainly they would not say that if it was semen???!!! That would be pretty hard to nonchalantly explain away. Partly my assumption and partly what I took from the broadcast. baba donya could likely clarify if she chooses to.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 07:43:08 PM
Hi everybody....sorry...I haven't been here,...but alot to do now...and I have been busy.

Hope everyone has been doing well! Missed our chats.

Now, I see alot of people want to have clarification of things...well I will do my best, but remember I cannot give out info, that may affect the outcome of any investigation.

So let me read, and I will try to answer what I can.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2008, 07:43:23 PM
Yeah it does seem odd they could find DNA like that. It seems to me that the DNA came evidence taken at the scence. The DNA in the Harper case disapeared and the rest was destroyed.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 07:56:17 PM
Dig Dig...what a coincidental name...hmmm  or a cleche`?

To answer the question of the boys and the spot located...what exactly do you mean by that question?

As for timeline for actual events...yes, many of us have questioned that on this site, and others.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 08:02:28 PM
Are you sure it was a Corvette? Locoster..

What else did you notice different, Locoster, from this edition of the 'Fifth', and the previous one? (Besides us)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 08:05:42 PM
Hi Chris!

You can resee the show on "www.cbc.ca"

There are extra trailers, too, showing footage that was not used. But there is even more, I believe will be used for Part 3.

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 08:24:24 PM
Chris, Yes DNA has been analyzed, and we are hoping men will finally come forward and offer there DNA just to eliminate themselves.

It is a matter of elimination now!

I have to tell everyone, we are so welcomed when we come to Saskatoon. Everyone there is demanding this case be solved! I believe if it were not for us, taking on this investigation, whether we are newbies or not...Like, Mr. Popoff said, "This case was dead to the police, and these ladies have kept it alive."

Auntie Alexandria is alive in our hearts, and we know that we are on the right track!

Presently, the DNA (collected) has been sent to the lab.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 23, 2008, 08:48:36 PM
Cape, yes it was a construction site....BUT after viewing the site and the distance from the road, the elevation, etc...... still puzzles me....why no one saw or heard anything!!!!

At that time Saskatoon was a very peaceful city, and my Auntie gave the fight of  her life, there was evidence of that! She was fit, and she was very strong for a woman of her physique! All of our interviews with her friends, had attested to that. She would have screamed for her life!

That is why I know....'PEOPLE OUT THERE DO KNOW!'
They should no longer be afraid to come forward....we want the charges to stick, and the more witnesses .... the better!

Our Auntie was deprived of a life!!! The rapist(s) and the murderer(s) got to live.... and they still do! They are alive! They had families. They have grandchildren.

We did have some good cries on this trip, and other people we had only met.

I felt her presence among us, protecting us.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 23, 2008, 09:25:10 PM
Hi Baba, A lot of time has passed. I hope you're right when you say the rapist(s), murderer(s) are still alive. I have yet to watch the episode of the Fifth Estate as I think in BC it will run on Friday night. I am watching for it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 24, 2008, 05:41:42 PM
Yes, Baba, I have a feeling that you have in your mind someone you think may have committed this crime, of course you cannot divulge anything until it is proven. I am so glad you are getting so much information. I found it very interesting that the police have it down to 13 suspects, that is really great. Yes, the Fifth Estate is on again tonight, it is on here in NS at 11:00 o'clock, which would make it possibly 6:00 or 7:00, I am not sure in BC. I forget the time difference and I did live out there. If people did hear something on the night Alexandra was murdered, why would they not come forward. I mean even at this late date they could call crime stoppers. I know she would have screamed, but he could have held something over her mouth and muffled her screams. Sometimes people hear something and they ignore it and especially where it was so early in the evening. They could have thought it was kids playing around or something.  I know the kids around here on the street, I think someone is getting killed sometimes and they are only screaming for nothing, some day they will cry wolf. I don't even go to the window myself, I just stay put. I live alone and sort of on a main road that has a lot of traffic. I commend you girls for doing such great detective work, keep it up and prayers to all of you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 24, 2008, 07:53:24 PM
Dig Dig...what a coincidental name...hmmm  or a cleche`?

To answer the question of the boys and the spot located...what exactly do you mean by that question?

As for timeline for actual events...yes, many of us have questioned that on this site, and others.



Baba Donya,
My handle was not meant as a cliche or disrespectful in any way. To clarify:  I am interested in unsolved crimes..I like to Dig into them and then Dig some more until I hopefully find what I am looking for. Therefor DigDig  ;)
As to the boys question, I'll try to be clearer: The boys saw her on the river bank..right? How far was it from the spot she was seen to the location of the shallow grave?

While we're at it... Could you describe the landscape, like ground cover, vegetation, level ground? uphill? downhill? from the location  where she was seen to the location where she was found. I'm sure you  see what I'm asking
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 24, 2008, 09:13:50 PM
Hi Baba, I finally got to watch the Alexandra story. The Fifth Estate ran in BC tonight at 7 PM. I think it may run again later, but not sure. I found it to be very interesting after having followed it for so long on here. One thing Baba...... When the host asked "What do you ladies think you bring to the investigation that no one else has?"  After having watched the show, I fully expected a one word answer, LOVE. It seemed to me that the DNA they found was from hair that was not Alexandra's when her body was exumed, did I get that right?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: henhen on October 25, 2008, 11:31:19 PM
I would think that this investigation by the sisters is quite biased as why would babydona say that the murder had to be done by someone close to alexandra ,it dos'nt make sense it could have been anyone and the beer bottles show that it was most likely by someone who was drunk and violent,alexandra did'nt seem like the kind of girl who would be around someone who's drunk ,I think it's a long shot that it's someone who knew her,it seems to me that the sisters are trying to pin it on someone innocent,maybe not on purpose but by alot of old storys[liES],and how come every time someone says anything in this thread it's shot down as rubbish if it's not what dona wants to hear, Everyone in this thread is just stateing there opinion they have no agenda every one wants this to be solved.I hope the DNA shows the truth,I'm sick of the inuendo that leads to a friend or friends of alexandra it shows me gosssip can distroy lives.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 26, 2008, 07:32:13 AM
Henhen, listen to me close:
The sisters have been living this crime for lord knows how many years now.
I think those words from you like "biased" "innuendo" are ill-concieved words by you and you should apologize to the sisters.
Did you know Alexandria that well that you can state that she would never be around people who drink?
What if she was taken by total surprise by a person who drank?

It is absolute rubbish what you say about the sisters "trying to pin it on someone innocent" . An investigator is not trying to "pin it on" anybody. It is only through solid, painstaking investigation and research that you arrive at the final suspect.
If the sisters say something like 'the person(s) might have been drunk', then they have arrived at  this through many hours of research.
 You also accuse them of 'shooting down as rubbish' every time someone says something.
That, henhen, is pure rubbish from you.

I see you have  4 (four) posts total. Wow. You have gained a lot of knowledge in a short while...

What an appropriate  handle you have made for youreslf, henhen. It puts me in mind of a cackling hen who is only scratching the surface and not finding anything of substance  ;D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 26, 2008, 02:19:49 PM
If you had watched the Fifth Estate that recently ran on this topic you would realize that the sisters cannot PIN this murder on anyone. It was made very plain that this is still a police investigation. Even though the sisters are investigating on their own their are things the police cannot even share with them. If anyone ends up being convicted in this case it will be because of a proper investigation and enough evidence to prove guilt, and not because of anyone's biased opinion or anything else.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: haunted on October 26, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
I don't know why anyone would assume that this will be 'pinned' on an innocent person. The nieces are trying to get this resolved. I see it serving no purpose for them to go this much effort, expense and emotion to have a murder convenietly pinned on an innocent party. That could have happened much earlier in the investigation if that was the case. It has been 50 years. I applaud these ladies for going forward with this and keeping it active in the eyes of the public and the RCMP. The family deserves answers and with technology available today that did not exist at the time of the crime, it may be solvable and if anyone can do it, I believe these lovely ladies can.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: henhen on October 26, 2008, 02:52:28 PM
I 100 per cent believe that you cannot solve a crime by just interviewing people from over 40 years ago, DNA is the only way  that this crime can be solved,I owe no one an apology,I do believe that the sisters are doing good work but when they say this is a crime only by a close friend or someone she knew then that's just rubbish,anyone could have done this crime,just like the Milgard case alot of BS can put some one away for a crime they did'nt commit the sisters are not the Police the are not detectives,they can only do so much I know that after many years peope will say anything they think is the truth,and it's almost always just hear say. or BS.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: henhen on October 26, 2008, 02:53:39 PM
digdig you have  so many posts on here that does not make you smart it makes you a busy body with a big mouth.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: haunted on October 26, 2008, 03:14:05 PM
The fact of the matter remains that whatever 'evidence' is gathered via forensics, or witness statements obtained via interviews (which DO actually have a place in an investigation even 50 years later) the evidence would have be enough for it to be prosecutable. Baba Donya and her sisters have NOT been slanderously naming names or throwing stuff out there. They are keeping it close to them because they know it could compromise a thorough investigation. THEY will not be able to charge and prosecute anyone. The justice system has to do its job. They ARE keeping it active and in all likelihood are doing more than what the police have been able to do for many years because of lack of time and resources. I would want to have family like them, to know that they aren't prepared to accept this death as another unsolved case. The chips will fall where they may. If anyone do, they have the right to pursue this.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 26, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
henhen, there is DNA evidence and in the end that is what it will come down to. These ladies cannot convict anyone, they can only collect evidence. They have done everything in their power to make sure their Aunt is not forgotten and that the case is actively persued, but this is still a police investigation.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2008, 06:25:21 PM
Bouquets to all of my friends!

Henhen....it is easy to misjudge what we are doing, when you do not know me or my sisters personally. But have you ever investigated before? Have you ever had an Auntie so brutally murdered? Obviously, not. But, in the end the guilty person(s) will be found! Everyone else here, understands who we are, and the undertaking, plus the commitment that this takes to keep our quest. Plus they all know that it would not have happened without our 'LOVE' for our dear Auntie Alexandria. Our efforts are serious, and I do believe through the people and our relentless research, we will find the killer(s).

If you take the time to watch the documentary, please do! Or watch it on line.

Now Henhen....DigDig has been more accurate than you, when summizing our efforts.

So how long have you been lurking Henhen?

By the way you wrote that my Auntie Alexandria would have not hung around people who were drunkards, how well did you know her?

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on October 26, 2008, 06:25:39 PM
The Alexandra Wiwcharuk  Family, and their persistance, integrity, ethics, and shere guts in trying to find the killer(s), of their own family member, is honorable. I see that all the sisters, and family are delving deep, and are not stopping in their quest for Justice.

This killing has to be solved. It was gruesome, sadistic, cruel and horrific. To let this atrocity go is just not right.

I love all you gals, am with you, and so is the Creator.

Take care, and stay safe!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2008, 06:28:51 PM
In regards to the David Milgaard story....

His mother fought for his justice. The Milgaard's won!

The parrallel....

We are fighting for Alexandra Wiwcharuk's justice. The Wiwcharuk family will win, too!

That is the only similarity!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on October 26, 2008, 06:30:39 PM


The other similarity is we posted at the same time! Ha! Keep on, Keeping on.!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2008, 06:42:58 PM
The landscape of the riverbank was that there was very little shrubbery at the time. Just the spot where she was buried. The bank itself at that time was alot lesser incline than it is today. There were not enough trees to muffle her screams. SOMEONE SAW AND HEARD!

From where the boys were standing, according to what we can figure out...to her shallow grave was approximately 100 to 200 feet. Not sure exactly, because the police today could only guess as to the exact location of where the shallow grave had been.

Alot has been changed since then, on the bank. Not Spadina Crescent though. The weir is still there, too, and so is the steel bridge.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2008, 06:43:40 PM
 ;) Thanks Adrian!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2008, 06:54:50 PM
Hi, DebbieC

Yes, Debbie you are right. I am so glad the coroner, was not that thorough! Yes, a DNA profile has been made.

So we are hoping that the boys in blue, and all the attendants and medical staff who helped with removal of her body, etc. come forward to elimate their DNA.

We want the Killer(s) caught, and I know they do, too!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 26, 2008, 07:26:33 PM
Thanks Baba,
Funny that's how I saw it in my mind's eye..about 200 feet.
How sure is the time of death? I mean, there are a lot of factors that come in to play when establishing this. At best it is a very inexact science. What fact(s)was the TOD opinion based on?

I might not grasp this the right way yet but it seems to be like this: The boys saw her at 7:30. At 8:00
she was buried in the shallow grave, with all the things that was done to her, were done in a half hour. 'Humanly impossible' seems to be the operative word here, unless there was a whole crew of  guys. It certainly speaks for  more than one perpetrator.
Baba Donya, I am new here and there are things I don't grasp yet. If I am way off base, please set me straight.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 26, 2008, 09:56:28 PM
Hi DigDig; nice to meet you.
I 'm kind of dwelling on two things that are a little different....first of all, I think a guy or couple of guys could come along.... see this overly attractive female, and within minutes, get aroused enough to rape her (and depending on whether that guy's already primed or on the hunt for such - let's say someone that just gotten left an unwilling date, or for whatever reason, didn't get to complete their mission - or someone who just got turned on at the movies for example) could have raped Alexandra within a few minutes and killed her - in another minute.  ....let's assume they grabbed a broken tree branch or sharp board, or even a tool that coincidentally was laying around, and quickly and furiously started digging at the already composed damp--from-the-winter ground.... (I was an avid gardener most of my life and could dig into compost and plant a fair size shrub within minutes that time of year) .... it could happen if half an hour ... especially if there were two of them. ---OR---- what if they just covered her with leaves and/or debris and came back hours later with a shovel and did a better job.  Isn't that possible! 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 27, 2008, 12:22:20 AM
Digdig:  Have you watched the first edition "The Death of a Beauty Queen". This most recent one, is the second edition. You will find many of your answers, in the first edition. Also, in the newspaper articles that are on www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net.

Unfortunately, the coroner is now deceased. Therefore, finding out how he came to that conclusion as the time of death, especially in 1962, seems nearly impossible.

One theory is that this may have been put into the papers to appease the public from panic...or was it another reason???

At this point, what we know is for our evidence, and I will give you any information that is already publicized, or where to find it easily.

As for the boys, they saw her later than that. Which even shortens what events transpired until the time of death.

Digdig, what are saying is very observant and intuitive. What other ideas do you have?

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 27, 2008, 12:34:47 AM
Wow, Lost....I was trying to find out what movies were playing in Saskatoon that night, for the investigation.

Lost, that site was being escavated, therefore the heavy equipment would have made the dirt/clay there, very hard to dig. There was also a road that was temporarily made that went past the shallow grave, therefore, I think that this soil/clay was very impacted. They would have had to use a tool, such as a shovel, I would think. The grave was not as shallow, as many would think. It just wasn't six feet down.

Did anyone get a good look at the beer bottles?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 27, 2008, 09:40:24 AM
Hi Baba, I know the site was being excavated, so I wonder if anyone has thought about the possibility that a piece of equipment was used to dig the hole, you know like a back ho or whatever they used to dig with there. It really sounds like it would have taken a long time to dig a hole in that type of soil/clay digging with a shovel. The other thing I wondered about was premeditation where the hole was already dug. I don't know if she was a creature of habit but I'm thinking that someone may have known her routine and planned ahead. Also thought that because people were used to the sound of the equipment, that perhaps even if someone started a piece at night no one may notice. It would certainly hide the sound of screams. Just a thought. I did look at the beer bottles. Three long neck beer bottles, one with the neck broken right off and I thought perhaps at least two different labels. May speak to the number of perps.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 10:06:17 AM
 Back then, most machine operators had a case of beer onboard to keep warm or just habitual drinkers.  I'm just going by what I remember about those guys around here back then ....always booze on them because those machines were
horrible cold.  They just chucked the empties anywhere while working.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 11:30:43 AM
Digdig:  Have you watched the first edition "The Death of a Beauty Queen". This most recent one, is the second edition. You will find many of your answers, in the first edition. Also, in the newspaper articles that are on www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net.

Unfortunately, the coroner is now deceased. Therefore, finding out how he came to that conclusion as the time of death, especially in 1962, seems nearly impossible.

One theory is that this may have been put into the papers to appease the public from panic...or was it another reason???

At this point, what we know is for our evidence, and I will give you any information that is already publicized, or where to find it easily.

As for the boys, they saw her later than that. Which even shortens what events transpired until the time of death.

Digdig, what are saying is very observant and intuitive. What other ideas do you have?



Baba Donya,
Thanks for the nice words. Now it is time for me to quit asking questions and rather sit down and go through everything that is available. And I mean everything
No, sorry, I have not watched the Death of a Beauty Queen. All I have seen to date is  the recent 5th estate show and I have skimmed through this thread.

You say the coroner is dead and  it is near impossible to   find out about TOD and mode of death etc..
I ask: Is it not a matter of  writing the chief coroner for that province and request a copy of the autopsy report? I know this has been done by authors and private investigators in other cases and even back in the 60's when things weren't as open as they are today.
Failing that, I think you might be successful obtaining the  needed documents through the  Freedom of Information Act(FOIA). It costs $5.00.  I obtained the conviction record of an individual that way.

I appreciate your  offer to give me info...Maybe you could just point me to the most authoritative web sites, the ones that  give the most accurate info.

As for other ideas, not at the moment, sorry. Like I said, I need to familiarize myself with the case first. After that I am sure I will have a slew of ideas :-)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 11:56:41 AM
Hi DigDig; nice to meet you.
I 'm kind of dwelling on two things that are a little different....first of all, I think a guy or couple of guys could come along.... see this overly attractive female, and within minutes, get aroused enough to rape her (and depending on whether that guy's already primed or on the hunt for such - let's say someone that just gotten left an unwilling date, or for whatever reason, didn't get to complete their mission - or someone who just got turned on at the movies for example) could have raped Alexandra within a few minutes and killed her - in another minute.  ....let's assume they grabbed a broken tree branch or sharp board, or even a tool that coincidentally was laying around, and quickly and furiously started digging at the already composed damp--from-the-winter ground.... (I was an avid gardener most of my life and could dig into compost and plant a fair size shrub within minutes that time of year) .... it could happen if half an hour ... especially if there were two of them. ---OR---- what if they just covered her with leaves and/or debris and came back hours later with a shovel and did a better job.  Isn't that possible! 

Lostlinganer, nice to meet you too!
It is important in cases like this that we don't let our hunches and feelings take over. "Feeling" that things might be like this or that, without anything to back it up usually ends up in futility. I am not criticizing you; rather I am trying to show how cool heads prevail and what type of investigating offers the best results.
That said, sure it could have happened the way you are thinking, we don't really know do we?
But what about the likelihood that it happened  that way?
Take the digging equipment for example... tree branch or sharp board.. Do you realize how hard it would be to dig with those implements? You would never get done..the dirt you loosened would just slide off the branch and back in the hole.
Right now, with the scant info we have, it looks like  a shovel was used.

That the killer(s) came back later do do a 'better job' doesn't seem that plausible. For one thing, a killer would take a huge chance to come back to the scene of the crime. Sexually motivated crimes are usually impulse-driven and the perp leaves in a state of near panic.
Also..he didn't do that much of a better job did he? She ended up buried in a shallow grave ; she had even managed to push one arm out of the grave.
Was there any evidence of leaves and debris in the immediate area?

Like I alluded to, these type of crimes are driven by  the perp's inner feelings  and his need for exerting violence. His main goal is the violence part. The  rape part is just one part of the whole violence scenario. It matters very little to  him whether or not the victim is good looking.

Unless we know about Alexandria's  life in detail..her friends, boy friends etc etc, it would be  speculative to  hypothesize that  she was killed by a jilted lover, or even one that she had turned down.

From what I know so far, it seems all  factors point to  one or more perps and  that it was a spur of the moment type crime. So far,  I am really leaning towards  2 perps, judging by the alleged time window that this crime was committed.

Keep thinking! Keep reading! One  person can only move a small pile of rocks. Together, we can move a whole mountain!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 27, 2008, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from Dig Dig:"It is important in cases like this that we don't let our hunches and feelings take over. "Feeling" that things might be like this or that, without anything to back it up usually ends up in futility.

A lot of us on here are psychic but choose to remain quiet about that so that's where our "hunches and feelings" come into play. I'm the most vocal since I've attained the age of one half a century I don't feel the need to hide that fact anymore. Psychics are anything BUT futile. A lot of famous psychics have solved cases where the police have failed. So, don't be so quick to dismiss "hunches and feelings". You're a cop or some kind of detective or pi aren't you?  I find those are the ones that are usually dismissive of hunches and feelings" We've done just fine on here with our theories and hunches and feelings and I don't think there's any member on this panel who needs to be taught "investigating" techniques. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 02:00:01 PM
Dig Dig; it's clear to me that you haven't spent much time "digging" or else you live in a region where the ground is continuous hardpack.
Take the digging equipment for example... tree branch or sharp board.. Do you realize how hard it would be to dig with those implements? You would never get done..the dirt you loosened would just slide off the branch and back in the hole.
To the contrary my friend, I had a double lot property 80' x 50' (give or take) on which I had all plant bed..... no grass or weed..... thousand of perenials planted to create a different appearance each seaon ....also had a double size greenhouse and the whole property had two feet of cedar and compost topping....years of hard work, lugging seaweed and manure, composting, traveling the province for new and exciting plants.  I could dig a  two feet deep grave in that yard anywhere in minutes with less than a broken branch or a piece of board.
That's why I asked about the earth in that spot where the body was found....I was thinking:
1.  machines had been digging deep (severing heavy tree roots within feet of the body)
2. machines can't get close enough with the backfill-tamping to pack that particular spot down.
3. anywhere there's years of leaf decomposition, you can often dig with your hands once the heavy roots have been severed - so you could turn up a lot with a bar of pole and pull it all lose by hand.

That the killer(s) came back later do do a 'better job' doesn't seem that plausible. For one thing, a killer would take a huge chance to come back to the scene of the crime. Sexually motivated crimes are usually impulse-driven and the perp leaves in a state of near panic.
Also..he didn't do that much of a better job did he? She ended up buried in a shallow grave ; she had even managed to push one arm out of the grave.
why not, in a panic, wouldn't I just push a pile of leaves and dirt over the body if it was in a gully adjacent to a resent pile of earth left by yesterdays digging (which got left among the shrubs and leaves because the machine couldn't get that close) the gully would be a possible few feet deep and the earth and leaves would do the job....instant grave.
and -why not go back later hours later, when all are asleep, to make sure she's covered enough? probably couldn't sleep anyway!
also DigDig, who's not much of a physical digger:Unless we know about Alexandria's  life in detail..her friends, boy friends etc etc, it would be  speculative to  hypothesize that  she was killed by a jilted lover, or even one that she had turned down. where did I suggest above, that she was killed by a jilted lover or even turned one down.  Did you read my post or just scim it?  I suggested a culprit who may have gotten turned on minutes before by his girlfriend (an unable to get any further due to place, situation, respect...whatever) and saw this georgous unsuspecting girl alone and vulnerable....or he could have gotten turned on at the movies for example. ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 02:01:30 PM
Hi there mauvelilac,
 Since you are a psychic, you should maybe have detected that when I wrote about hunches and feelings, I was referring to  those of us who do not have the gift of ESP. Notice, I call it a gift. In other words, I am very favourably turned toward those of us who have this extra sense, bestowed upon a chosen few. In fact I did visit a psychic once, in regards to another case I was  working on. She did provide  some clues, although fuzzy, I did get a few helpful hints.
Never once did I accuse psychics of being 'futile'.

No, I am not a cop, or 'some kind of detective'  or pi. Sorry to inform you but your ESP seemed to fail you again.

I  would agree that, yes, cops usually are dismissive of hunches and feelings, unless this hunch  is the result of an investigation. However, they are not totally closed to  people with the gift. I know, because I had the opportunity to
talk with a homicide investigator turned PI. He was most interested in hearing about my visit with the psychic.

When I wrote to lostlinganer, of course I spoke out from the concept of regular investigation where 99 times out of 100, results come from  investigation as we commonly know it. I had no inkling that he/she might be  a psychic

There is room in this world for both "kinds" if we endeavor to work together and try to avoid  crass words  such as those detected in your message.

We must remember: We are here not to compete in any way, but to find out who killed Alexandria. Peace!



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 02:11:44 PM
-----and one more thing DigDig, most of us woman...I know myself for one....were attractive enough at that point in life to find ourselves in similar situation and have had "close calls", where we almost got raped and barely escaped being killed because we knew how to fight and run.  .......so don't ever think that intent couldn't have been just forced romance that turned to violence ....because this guy wasn't just horny....he also had a temper.
We have (at least I have) no way of knowing this wasn't just an impulsive horny pig who lost it ....and maybe just one time in his life.

So maybe that's why the badges don't solve half the cases about missing and murdered woman.

If I had gone with my feelings 18 years ago, it wouldn't have been just lately I found out who actually beat my nephew first.... I felt it back then but all the evidence pointed to the cops ....I found out much later three others booted him till probably brain dead before the cops even got him.  Should have gone with my feelings.....now that I know better, my instincts haven't failed me since.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 02:14:53 PM
Lost, I see you took offense to my reply. I am sorry if I hurt you with my words. We see some things from different angles and it is  only natural that  we give opposing opinions. This must be allowed in order to arrive at a result. I guess it is my style to be straight forward..to call a spade a spade (excuse the pun). If you are a psychic, please  disregard what you obviously thought of as an attack.
I am here for one thing only and that is to try and find out who killed Alexandria. Personal disagreements should be avoided; they just serve to clog up the communication lines. I will work with you, if you will work with me and accept my style of saying things. It is all said with no ill intent.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 27, 2008, 02:22:28 PM
If you detected anything in my message it was downright indignation. Yes, I have detected a few things about you that I'm not too impressed with. You may have also picked that up in my message.

You may not be a cop, or a pi or a detective. I simply alluded to that NOT based on esp but based solely on the observation that they seem to be the only ones who are entitled to have "hunches and gut feelings" and I didn't say "Ling was a psychic" I just said there was a few on the forum, not mentioning any names.

I was "crass" in my message? I fail to see where I was. Perhaps, since you're so insightful you can enlighten me and the rest of the forum. To me you are crass, picking out select words and then flinging them back in an attempt to discredit my gift.

I'm not here to compete. I'm here to be a team player. I'm not here with an agenda either.

To all the rest of the group my apologies for pointing out what I feel should be obvious. Especially to Baba, this is a link for her beloved "Auntie" and I have the utmost respect for what her and her sisters are doing.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Mauve, this came off to a bad start...it looks like with both you and Lost
I will empahasize again, and point to what both you and I alluded to: That we are here for the sole purpose to try and find out who killed Alexandria. Let's not  let personal things come in the way.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 27, 2008, 03:02:02 PM
I have nothing personal against you, nor should you have against me. My first message to you was solely to point out that "hunches and feelings" can play a big part in investigations be it by cops, pi's psychics etc and you countered with mean spirited innuendos that played a big part in my next message.
Just so you know, I have no idea who killed Alexandra, wish I did, she was a beautiful, vivacious lady who had a lot I imagine to contribute to this world. I support the sisters and their efforts totally. They certainly can't do any worse. I truly hope their efforts will be successful.
Personalities aside..let us sit back and look at the big picture here. There is a killer to be found. Each one of us has ideas, theories, visions, what have you as to who that killer might be. Each one's vision, theories, ideas is important. As long as I have been a member, I have rarely saw ego from any member come into play....
I pass the olive branch to you.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on October 27, 2008, 03:09:29 PM


Dig, Dig:(Written to Ling in Mauves post.)

There is room in this world for both "kinds" if we endeavor to work together and try to avoid  crass words  such as those detected in your message.
***************************************************
We, on this board, wrote the way we feel, and use the words necessary to get the point across! We are NOT a bunch of "delicate doilies" here, we have had problems, losses, family members, friends killed.  WTF???

Also I haven't heard of a Good Cop, who doesn't rely a lot on their guts, and hunches, many times in their work.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 03:52:15 PM
Adrian,
I am surprised at your use of language. WTF..everybody knows what it means and  is is the utmost  of crassness in my books. Let's all agree to cut out this  crap right now and get down to the business at hand.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 03:58:15 PM
I have nothing personal against you, nor should you have against me. My first message to you was solely to point out that "hunches and feelings" can play a big part in investigations be it by cops, pi's psychics etc and you countered with mean spirited innuendos that played a big part in my next message.
Just so you know, I have no idea who killed Alexandra, wish I did, she was a beautiful, vivacious lady who had a lot I imagine to contribute to this world. I support the sisters and their efforts totally. They certainly can't do any worse. I truly hope their efforts will be successful.
Personalities aside..let us sit back and look at the big picture here. There is a killer to be found. Each one of us has ideas, theories, visions, what have you as to who that killer might be. Each one's vision, theories, ideas is important. As long as I have been a member, I have rarely saw ego from any member come into play....
I pass the olive branch to you.

Right. I have nothing personal against you nor have I ever had.
I know you don't know who killed Alexandria. Neither do I. But this is why we are trying to cooperate here on this forum..to attempt to find out...right?
I know you support them, so do I.

There is a killer to be found. I agree with you. We are saying the same thing. As you also say "personalities aside".
Yep..olive branch received and accepted :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on October 27, 2008, 04:14:37 PM
BITE ME!!!

You know what? If you don't like what I write, don't read any posts? Crass, You aien't seen nothing yet.

And I am not cutting out any "crap". My last comment, on Alexandras thread.

 ??? :)
RIP Alexandra's
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 04:44:35 PM
well I have a feeling (to which I'm entitled - as I am not a qualified investigator, therefore, I have found that it's my intuition that steers me to observations that lead to facts)  just one of many of us here, who realizes if you wait for the badges to solve your love one's death based on the facts they gather, you could be waiting a lifetime. ....half of them couldn't find a phone in a phone booth and the rest are so busy and overwhelmed, they rely on the public and tips for information ....and lets not forget the few of them that just spend their time and tax dollars covering up crime.
as I said, I have a feeling some people see Alexandra's death as the result of a violent person whose main pleasure is "violence" with the sexual aspect being secondary.  .....I would have never thought that in this case;  I feel (there I go again with hunch thing) that her killer was more the sexual predator as opposed to the violent predator.  ...I was basing that on the fact that Alexandra was so attractive, so well known for her beauty, and at that moment in time, so vulnerable.
If her killer was a violent predator as opposed to a sexual predator, it's quite the co-incidence, he ran into a girl so beautiful that he decided to rape as well.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 27, 2008, 05:53:19 PM
Lost, I had comment on here about the beer bottles also, I was wondering did they think they were part of the crime scene in the event of that crime or they just happened to be in the area of the murder. I also feel that because she was covered over quite obscure from view, that the gravel and leaves had been loose and the murderer was able to just quickly put all of this over Alexandra. Anyone committing a crime like this could do this quite quickly with adrenalin flowing. There also maybe some time discrepancy in when those boys saw Alexandra, even if they were off ten or 15 minutes it would make a difference. It certainly seems to me like someone was watching and waiting and just swooped down on her and did not give her much of a chance to retaliate. She was probably using all of her energy to fight for her life and was not able to even scream loud enough for anyone to hear.  I am with Baba and hope that they continue with the success of their investigation. Hats off again to you guys, love and prayers to you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Lost,
Whether violence was primary or secondary, the fact remains that both  things were done to her. One who could rape a dying girl after bashing her head in with a rock is certainly both: violent and predatory.
Who was he/they? Like we say we don't know. We'll have to work with what we got. So... In Saskatoon in those days...were there any known violent sexual offenders? Have these all been checked and alibied? It might sound like a nonsensical question. You and I don't know, but maybe someone who are reading these lines might be able to enlighten us?

I got a chuckle out of your cops and phone booths analogy  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 06:55:24 PM
Dig; have you read about the serial killers on here and/or all the unsolved deaths - especially around Edmonton and also the highway of tears....these rape and murder crimes are innumerable....but please tell me where you found out that Alexandra was killed first before being raped;  guess I was doing some skim reading, because I wasn't aware of that at all.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 07:01:13 PM
Lost, what I said in my last message to you was : "Who would rape a dying girl?"...meaning she wasn't dead yet, meaning she was still alive.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 27, 2008, 07:39:40 PM
again Dig; how do you know this.... that she had all the damage to her head before being sexually assaulted...??  where is that info.  ... I just like to know where I find that....was it in the first two segments on 5th estate? or is it other info. elsewhere online?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 08:02:45 PM
Lost,
Actually nobody knows what sequence the  events took place. I  envisioned her head being hit with the rock and then she was raped. I drew that conclusion from the fact that ..first the perp immobilizes his victim, then he rapes her. But of course it could have happened the other way: That she was held down and raped, and then her head was bashed in after the rape.

I think maybe I am having a hard time getting it through my head the rape first scenario because of the very short time it took to do what was done to her: the boys saw her at 9:30, the coroner listed the TOD as 10:00..a half hour. So what I am alluding to is that  the killing, rape and burying might have been done in a half hour..no time for  a struggle and rape first..no.. bash the head in, immobilize and then carry out the rest of the crime. This would save a few precious minutes.

The only stuff I have read on this case is  what has been written here, plus watching the 5th estate show last Wednesday.

I need to study a lot more, believe me!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 27, 2008, 08:08:32 PM
Baba Donya, one for you here...
Have you ever approached Cold Case Files to have Alexandria's story featured in one of their segments? Bill Kurtis  gives me a good impression as a fair type of guy.   http://www.aetv.com/cold_case_files/

At the bottom you can get in toch by clicking on Contact us. There is also a  discussion board there.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 27, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
Hi Everyone....well, well, well....

Everyone that I have met here, has my upmost respect! I totally believe with all of you, and each one of your individual talents are going to help us find her killer(s). Plus your energies and strengths, and kind words keep us focussed, on the task at hand...to catch my Auntie's killer(s).

....But we cannot do it if, we are sparring!

Let me tell you all now, my Auntie Alexandria loved life! She loved people. On one interview of a friend...this friend sadly said, "She was a much better friend to me, then I ever was to her." That was my Auntie's legacy. When someone was down, she would call all the girls and friends together, and they would have a small party. She could not let anyone be sad, or angry.

Right now....I do not want anyone sad or angry.

Now, that I have that said.... Hi Everyone!

I see there have been alot of posts since last night. You have all presented some very great ideas. Digdig, I like your theory of more than one perp, but have you ever read about forensic psychologists. Have you any background in profiling. I do believe with all of my heart, that she knew her killer(s). Just because the attack is representative of that fact. My Auntie was very popular. Liked by all. And yes, I do believe that she did spurn a man or two.

That being said...you will find that this is very well the case. You will probably be able to narrow down the age, too, by other factors.

I think we need to focus on one area of the investigation at a time. This is how we all contribute, and I personally appreciate all forms of information, whether it come from sources others are not comfortable with. There is a reason why we are all here, talking about my Auntie's murder(s). To solve it!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 27, 2008, 09:58:07 PM
Digdig, presently we are on lists of high profile talk shows. Not sure if Cold Case is on the list. I will have to check. That is another sister's job. :)

If not contacted, I will pass on the information to her.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on October 27, 2008, 11:30:12 PM
 8)
Couldn't do it, had to come on!
Alexandra was buried alive, choking to death from the sand and dirt in her windpipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!full stop!
The timeline between the boys last seeing her and coming back was approx. a half hour. Not much time, this is common knowledge. So whatever he or they did was done very quickly, or perhaps they (he) did come back? Perhaps one of the blows was to subdue her, shut her up? But the "FACT" remains she was buried "ALIVE". She was not raped "after" death!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 28, 2008, 09:38:23 AM
GIS; we all know she was still alive when covered over and left for dead.  I don't think the killer left thinking she was alive...
I believed the final damaging blow with the 12-lb brick (think it was - don't jump me on that.... I'll call it hugh brick) was administered after the rape ----(as is always the case when we are here offering ideas, feelings, brainstorms etc....we never have the coronor's report here.... we never have the details....
so we are offering scenarios.)  I was predisposed to the fact that there would be so much blood and damage done to one's head or face by this brick, that the killer would have been dealing with major blood splatter etc. and would be quite the mess leaving there if he raped the girl after that damage. ..... I also was predisposed to the fact that someone strong enough to wheel this size brick and direct it, was strong enough to subdue her with a punch, in order to rape.  If I picked up a brick that size, it would take me both hands; and I would never be able to direct it accurately - I would probably miss.
My point is, I assumed he beat and raped the girl - then took this hugh brick and bashed the face/head in to make sure she was dead.... then he covered her over.  DigDig feels the killer was more focused on killing and administered the blow first (is what I got from his post to me) and then the rape.
WE got into different opinions on the possible chain of event.  ....the fact that he left her for dead when she was actually still breatheing goes without saying.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 28, 2008, 12:50:37 PM
Exactly, Lost.

....but there is still the man (in a suit) who was wooing her on the street as she walked to the weir. (Eye Witness saw)

...this same man is later seen sitting behind her further up on the incline looking at the weir...or watching her??? (at this time his jacket is off)

Does everyone remember when the man interviewed on CBC (who was an ex-con), who said he believes it was someone who knew her routine. He was shocked that he was on the suspect list. Sometimes it takes a criminal to know a criminal, and I do believe this man also has his clues as to who did it. Word gets around on the streets.

Just thinking outloud....






Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 28, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
Good point. I was thinking it was someone who knew her, why bury her if she cannot ID you? Otherwise, they just would have left her.

Routine. Someone who knew her... very likely
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 28, 2008, 07:44:19 PM
Lots of replies here... my puter was down so I couldn't get on till now, sorry.
First, for lostlinganer.
It is really not that productive to  linger on whether or not she was hit first or raped first. The important thing here is that it was all done with the speed of lightening (a half hour) and that IS speedy. Bout I will run with your theory for now, lost,and see how far this takes us. That is because it is true what you say:He wouldn't be as keen on raping after most likely being drenched in blood.

So....that speaks more for the theory of  2 perps and here's why: Do we realize how tough it is to hold a girl down and rape her? I can imagine that she is in a  "fight for my life" mode. So this puts me in mind of  the fact that there had to be two to do the 'job'.

So can we run with the 2-person theory and see where it goes?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 28, 2008, 08:30:51 PM
Hi Baba Donya
you wrote:
but have you ever read about forensic psychologists.
-Yes, I have read to some extent about forensic psychology, criminal profiling,  crime scene profiling. Some fact sheets, but  mostly books like the series of books by FBI criminal profiler John Douglas.
I have also talked with a few law enforcement people on this and other forensic subjects. Geographical profiling. It might not apply so much to this case, but BC's Kim Rosmo has  made great strides in that area from what little I have read about him.

I would really like to read that autopsy report...

Have you any background in profiling.
-No. I have no background, education or experience, other than reading   about it for the last 7 year or so and  trying to learn what I can.

 I do believe with all of my heart, that she knew her killer(s). Just because the attack is representative of that fact.
-Just because of that one fact? I would like to ask you please list other reasons for your belief if you have any. This is very important and would contribute greatly to finding him/them.

My Auntie was very popular. Liked by all. And yes, I do believe that she did spurn a man or two.
 See, this  sort of connects with the man 'wooing' her and later maybe looking at her.
Excuse my ignorance, but could you elaborate  on the man and what exactly the 'wooing' was?
Looking it up, I see that it means:   1. To seek the affection of with intent to romance.
   2.
         1. To seek to achieve; try to gain.
         2. To tempt or invite.
   3. To entreat, solicit, or importune.
Just wondering what the witness's words were..like "trying to put the make on her" etc etc. This is how one might start getting a  profile on him.

Is this man believed (by the police) to have really been trying to get her attention? What have the police done about it?
What have you  sisters been able to do about it? Would be an interesting read.

You are spot on with the ex-con's statement, I believe. It takes one to know one. He gave us a bit of what goes on in the head of that type of a person. Would it be possible to contact this man and  ask him to expand on his thoughts?

One who knew her routine...male of course.... Who would know? boyfriend?(any boyfriend that close at the moment?)
Co-worker? of those there would be what?...doctors, surgeons etc..high standing people in the community. Would they  let themselves be driven to  the point of murder? hm... blue collar personnel; cleaners, maintenance men,  grounds keepers. Do you have any knowledge  if those people were checked out?

What were her routines when she was off work? Was she a home body? Did she have places she frequented  quite a bit?
Like, church, dance halls, pubs.
Just thinking out loud..maybe something will pop into your mind, who knows....

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 28, 2008, 09:00:16 PM
why bury her if she cannot ID you?

- To hide the body?
- Figure that it will take that much longer to find the body(which it did)?
- The killer's reason could also have been to 'undo' the crime in his own mind. This is a very common trait of killers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 28, 2008, 11:51:09 PM
Thank You Digdig for all of your ideas...

Yes, I too, am familiar with John Douglas's material. But, someone who works with authorities, and they use him to train their own, it too has it's limitations.

I believe criminal profiling is key to all cases, so I will not dismiss it. I believe criminal profiling helps to link all areas of expertise (police, psychics, and other investigating individuals). It all plays into the dynamics of any thorough investigation. So I will never discredit criminal profiling.

I will not expose what the eyewitness said exactly, just that it was mentioned in other mediums of the press. That is all I will say about that.

I would hope that the police have investigated as thoroughly as one would want, but the police force at that time worked the "The Boys Club" system, so I do believe that I would be foolish to say that I believe all of these people were questioned.

As for my Auntie...she was perfect, popular, and christian. Of course she went dancing, etc. Everyone who knew her loved her! Of course, I am not naive....there would have been jealousy from other young ladies, and disappointment from spurned boyfriends. It is only the way of the world when you have someone who is incredibally popular for the right reasons.

That is why...this case is going to get solved. For the right reasons!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 29, 2008, 12:41:01 AM
why bury her if she cannot ID you?

- To hide the body?
- Figure that it will take that much longer to find the body(which it did)?
- The killer's reason could also have been to 'undo' the crime in his own mind. This is a very common trait of killers.

But if he was not someone who would be suspected, why not just dump her under the bridge or something? Why go thru all that time digging? Back in those days, it was not easy linking a rape to a suspect.

I just think this person killed her because she could ID him by name and he felt digging a grave would make her disappear.

Clearly, whomever did this, if they are alive, they must be very nervous. The key though is, are tehy still alive?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 29, 2008, 03:19:42 AM
Chris, you wrote:
But if he was not someone who would be suspected,
-But he did not know that. He had no way of knowing at the time. Likely, it was the other way: That the killer(s) were in a state of panic from fear of getting caught.

why not just dump her under the bridge or something? Why go thru all that time digging?
We would have to ask the killer about that. My previous answer could hold true though: that he buried her in order to "undo" the crime in his own mind. Something like If she's out of everybody's sight shes out of our mind mind.
"Undoing" can take many avenues...One victim was found with her arm across her abdomen, with her other arm/hand above her head. To me, a sleeping position. He might have thought You're not really dead, your'e just sleeping....

Back in those days, it was not easy linking a rape to a suspect.
-On the contrary I think it might have been easier for the police to link. That is because the standards were not near as high as they are today. Just compare 1962's forensics to today's: All the courts asked for was a blood sample and possibly other physical evidence like hair of the same color and apparent  similar structure.
If the perp was a secretor, they got his blood type out of bodily fluids. Especially if his  blood type was not a common one, and different from the victim's type, then it would be good enough.
If the hair was same color and structure..bingo, that would be all that was needed in many cases. Ad witnesses and there you have it.
Compare all this to today's forensics. You can't even bring  a blood type...you'll get laughed out of court. DNA, sure. But it has to be proven to the court that there is something like one in 8 million chances that it matches the perps DNA.
Take mytochondrial DNA for example, the DNA type that is similar in all siblings  from the same mother. This DNA is "only" one in maybe 4 or 5000 chances. Although good enough for EXclusion, it might not be good enough for INclusion.
So in this particular case there might have been other factors that came into play: Shoddy investigation, ineptitude. I can think of other adjectives too but  I better not  write them.

I just think this person killed her because she could ID him by name and he felt digging a grave would make her disappear.
- Yes I agree with the first part. And the second part well, that says more or less what I was trying to explain regarding undoing.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 29, 2008, 03:33:52 AM
Baba Donya, profiling is a proven science. It has proven itself in many cases. John Douglas was the pioneer. But it is only as good as the info that the profiler gets from the investigators. Shoddy info=shoddy results.
John Douglas himself was called in to do a profile on the Christine Jessop murder(where Guy Paul Morin was convicted and later fully exonerated) The cops, already having made up their mind that Morin was the guilty one, gave John Douglas info that only was related to Guy Paul...totally  one-sided and biased. Sure enough, Douglas profiled Guy Paul as the killer.
Would you consider a profiler on this case?  Like you, I believe  in the work of profilers, the true experts that is.

Of course I know you are not naive..I threw questions at you simply in the hope that you would elaborate on some of them and   set my old brain in gear. For example the hospital: Ever heard any rumors of  odd people? Or dancing...say that the witness says Oh yeah I think I saw that guy at a dance a while ago..just  giving examples of what I am trying to  achieve..finding out any little detail that might tie into the big picture.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 29, 2008, 09:07:48 AM
I'm not addressing any previous posts. This came to me last night and is mean't only for the nieces. If you truly believe that Alexandra knew her killer and could identify him and accomplice(if there was one) then her killer was in all likelihood at her funeral. Do you still have the book of remembrance that was given to the family. (The one where everyone signs their name expressing their sympathies.) If you do and you photostat that, give it to police and ask them to check it against their lists of suspects you may have caught yourself a killer. See, he wouldn't be able to resist signing it, it's the sort of thing killers do. They also tend to return to the scene of the crime again and again and again even after the body is found.

As well, throwing out another thought , the killer probably has a family out there somewhere. Say the given age was 23-30 at the time of her death, he would be anywhere from 70 on. He may very well be dead but he might have had children of his own and they would be anywhere from mid 40's on now. He may have had sisters, nieces etc of his own. In any murder or disappearance someone, somewhere knows something and keeps that information to themselves. It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination that a member of his family or a family friend could have stumbled across this site and obviously they wouldn't want their family name tarnished now after all these years. Just something to think about.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 29, 2008, 11:29:55 AM
yes! yes! yes! mauve; right on.   It's funny how way back in the thread, we all at one point or another asked common questions; now after all that, you may find someone pop in .... all full of "skills and interest" who'll say they have been educating themselves on the case and knows just how pick out facts and not get caught up in opinion, or feelings/hunches, or detail. ...now if Baba would just hand over all her years of investigative work and private info on her aunt's case, hmmmmmmmm......very tempting ....  well I wouldn't if I were her.  The diehards on this site have been agonizing on the case for years and others for months, and wouldn't be bold enough to expect the sisters to hand over information...... and anybody who's that smart and studying investigative procedures should have first read the whole thread and not be asking questions that others have been asking all along.... or making observations that have been made before.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 29, 2008, 01:32:21 PM
lost, what a poorly veiled  attack on a person who happens to have opposite procedures to your own. It really just goes to show the level of professionalism (or lack thereof) you demonstrate.

Never once have I said that I am "full of skills"  I am however very interested.
I ask Baba questions- sure- she has no problem with that. I also respect it when she  tells me she can't elaborate.
This has nothing at all with being bold...it has to do with wanting to help.
I am not so sure if the sisters agree with your   low-handed  tactics here.

I thought we were all done with this unfriendly  sparring. Obviously you are not.
I can inform you that I have read the whole thread. Still, there are loads of questions.

I hope you get in a better mode of thinking. Seeing that am being given the cold shoulder I will lie low and  wait for the sisters' assessment.
Your underhanded way of writing in no way covers up the fact that it is me you are targeting

I really don't need  this crap.
Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 29, 2008, 02:46:29 PM
DigDig,



It was hardly a poorly veiled attack.   there was no veil .....It was meant to be more like "if the shoe fits, wear it."

And I don't consider myself professional at all .... just a dedicated loud mouth against injustice.  And anybody who doesn't like my "gate", doesn't have to swing on it.  -no offense to the others and no disrespect to Alexandra  but I don't like somebody who fell in to the pot out of nowhere trying to talk down to others and discourage posting.  You my friend, seem to have deliberately come here for information .... I could be wrong .... if so, I apologize!  ....but so far all I can see is someone jumping three quarters of the way in and expecting to get information that's not in this topic.  ....if you are so professional, you should expect this.  ....bold might be a useful tool, but right now, it's a fishy one.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on October 29, 2008, 03:27:28 PM
When a Cape Bretoner smells something fishy, you know it's fishy!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 29, 2008, 07:05:38 PM
Hi D1....absolutely, you are too cute!

Ohhhhhhhhh, I want to visit the East Coast! It is beautiful in all the pictures I have seen!

You know were are getting closer to solving this when the tension is high!

Mr. Guitar man...and you know who you are....my friends here ~ are here for me. If they feel they need to protect me, and my sisters, they are welcome to.

They do not know you.

When you were busy in 2005, what happened??? Were you trying to be a motivator or an aggitator?  What were you motivated to do?? Your Quest??

We are all team players, and we have to respect each other. I am not saying that you are trying to show disrepect, but your words indicate that you are.

I want all of us to be able to work together, not apart. But if there is a psychic in the group, we are blessed. Whether you choose to believe that or not. Her scepticism, may be warranted. You appear to easily aggitate..why???

How do we know that for sure what your intentions are! (for eg. Sharon Batula and her book). Do you think that if my family would have known that she was going to write about our Auntie and lead the readers to see otherwise, that they would have given her any information??? My family has been scammed once, NOT AGAIN!

So be patient, if your intentions are honest.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: DigDig on October 29, 2008, 09:36:02 PM
Well, Baba...
You can refer to me as DigDig, your friends on here all know that you are referring to me anyway, by the way your message was  written.I loved the "Guitar Man" name however. Maybe I should change it?
So.. you and your sisters have googled me  eh? That's ok...As you will have discovered from my posts, I have nothing to hide.
My offer  should also show my  true intentions.

I easily agitate? That may be so. Although of course  not many on here might not believe it, I am really a peace-loving man and my intent is not to agitate, it is more like 'lets get to the point  of the matter at hand'. In this case, finding your sister's killer.Yes, maybe I am too impatient. My 'hobby' has been more in the way of  walking up to a person and asking  for information. Nine times out of ten, people have met me with open arms. People with something to hide, were usually the ones who gave me the cold shoulder. However, I fail to see how  I might have 'easliy agitated'  on this forum.

I am sorry if I have agitated you all. But, like you and a couple of others have told me,  we have to learn to work together, with each of our special traits. I ask you all to  grant me the same  and please do not take my words out of context.

I am not sure I know what you are referring to when you say I was busy in 2005, or what happened.  However, I can assure you that if anything, I tried to be a motivator and certainly not an agitator.

I hedge at your last remark "if your intentions are honest". If there is doubt in your mind  that I am anything less than honest then it is best if we cut ties  and that my offer will be null and void. But I will consider the ball in your court now and I will await your response.
respectfully
DigDig aka Guitar man
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Maureen on October 29, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
Hi BabyDona,
I am sorry for the loss of your Auntie Alexandra. She was so young and beautiful and didn't deserve what happened to her.
I have read all the posts on this thread and as I was reading I was thinking if anyone thought about it being possible that her killer had been stalking her and this rape and murder was planned. Is it possible that he or they knew her routine and knew where she would be and when. Is it possible that the grave was dug earlier knowing that after she was raped that he would kill her and then bury her. That would give him the time to beat her, rape her, murder her and then bury her. It being a constuction area no one would think anything of a hole being there.
My family's fight for justice is so similar to your fight for Alexandra that it is scary. We have been fighting for justice for 18 years and like you we will not stop until the murderers are behind bars.
One of the things we had to fight for was Clayton's autopsy report. I went to the coroner and all I was fiven was the run-a-round until I threatened him with a court order. He handed it over. Maybe you can do the same thing.
I hope your family soon gets justice and Alexandra then can rest in peace and you and your family can have closure.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 29, 2008, 11:55:19 PM
Thank you Maureen!

We have met so many people in Canada who have lived with the same dilemna. May God Bless you and your family, and find an answer, soon, too.

As mentioned before by Digdig and others...the autopsy report. We actually had to wait for the reign of the family decisions to be passed down to one of us. Now that it has been officially done, we are now ready to go forward with formalities with the investigation.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 30, 2008, 12:14:37 AM
Digdig....As previously said to you, you may get more than what you bargained for...you do have to be patient.

We have to be thorough. I have not seen a resume with references, now have I?

The police in Saskatoon, were not thorough, due to many reasons. I never ever want us to fall into that category...EVER!!

Therefore if we are being cautious, consider that we should be. Wouldn't you???

Now, you have given excellent ideas already, and I am most greatful. I cannot tell you which ones we have already acted upon. It would be very irresponsible of me. But believe me, we will work on the ones you have given that have not already been done!

Like the police said, what we do has to be held up in a court of law, so it had better be done right.  Why do you think they said it....not only do we have a judicial system that caters to the guilty, but we do not want to have another O.J. trial do we???

Right now DNA is being analyzed, let us wait to see these results, alright!
While waiting, study all you can about Alexandria's case...there is enough facts out there.

Right now a few men are squirming...let them squirm!

BTW....I only play tennis on the WII.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on October 30, 2008, 07:05:35 AM
 8) 8) 8)
Good morning everyone,
I just have to say a few words.
#1) DigDig, There is no "I" in Team, anyones ideas may be the right one on this site, don't always "re-direct" to your position, it may not necessasarily be the correct one either. Patience is a virtue!
What I have gathered from this site, is, the posters banter back and forth but it is for the cause, it is never a "personal" attack on their views or their intentions, which you have been bashed for as well. Okay with that being said, your views are really good, but it also doesn't mean they are correct. You get alot more bees with honey than you do with vinegar! Breath in through the nose, out through the mouth, calm down. >:( :( :-\ :)
#2) Mauve, Bravo, got that one, I did, Touche'! 8) ;)
#3) Remember, (post oct.28/8:30) spurned boyfriends, back then they were called boyfriends but actually, they were friends that were boys(men whatever). It has already been established, but a "Date" was considered, just going for coffee, not what we nowadays consider an actual date.
#4) I remember at one time, I was working on a project by myself, didn't ask for help and none was offered. What my babbling is, is trying to make a point! If a person has baked a cake, got all the special ingredients together, mixed er up, baked it, started icing it, then people come around to put the sprinkles on the cake. Where were they when all the major work was being done?hmmmmm :-\ Does it mean also that the baker doesn't know what they are doing, of course they do, they baked it! But they still welcomed the help when icing it!................Soooooooooooo
When a person is new they should be welcomed and not automatically be on the suspicious list, but on the other hand, wanting to much to fast makes a person suspicious. Ya'll, should play fair, this really is a good site!
Ya'll, have a wonderful day!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 09:11:02 AM
sound advice GSI -I for one got too hot under the collar;  I have a very suspicious nature.  ....also my mouth works faster than my brain...not a good trait but I try to keep it in check and am getting too old to change.

.... the worse thing everybody does .... is try to read long topics in one read... and I've done it too .... (not deliberately, but because I absorb new material slowly then lose some of the old... as though the hard drive in my head needs to be cleared of the useless stuff.... I always have to read a few times. ::) ???

therefore, that being said .... back to the chase.  Maureen, many people feel that Alexandra was observed and the attack possibly planned; however, you make a point I haven't read before; and it is so possible - that somebody already had that hole lined up.  I've always considered that it could have been a natural gully.... therefore, wouldn't need much digging.  Talking to those who were around back then might at least explain the condidtion of the soil (I'm thinking those three boys looking for worms would be a possible honest source; other sources on this, I am dubious about, because there was clearly so much cover-up.  As with Clayton's case, anywhere there was the possibility to fudge things, you can be sure that was done - including the honest and thorough observations of the ground - it's easy to convince people that all the area was hardpack.  You can't hardpack under shrubs, it stays soft because it is comprised of compost and fallen leaves.... that is why something was able to grow there.  I could stand corrected because I know the prairie provinces are much dryer, but that doesn't mean there are no soft spots near the riverside.
One more thing .......Des; if you're reading this, ....really miss you here!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 30, 2008, 09:32:20 AM
Actually Lost, I had suggested that the hole may have already been dug about three pages back. My thought was that it may have been premeditated.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 09:34:47 AM
 ;D ::) :-[ see what I mean deb; it's time for me to re-read already.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 09:40:06 AM
Here it is deb; you did just that..... also gives mention to habit ..... therefore; even if there was a recently dug hole or gullly there (even if not done by the killer, a person who was around there a lot, might have had a mental note of that when they grabbed her..... and thus either drug her to this spot.... or waited until she got reasonably close to it to grab her.  ...and I wonder how well they did or didn't examine that nearby shed after the murder.
Hi Baba, I know the site was being excavated, so I wonder if anyone has thought about the possibility that a piece of equipment was used to dig the hole, you know like a back ho or whatever they used to dig with there. It really sounds like it would have taken a long time to dig a hole in that type of soil/clay digging with a shovel. The other thing I wondered about was premeditation where the hole was already dug. I don't know if she was a creature of habit but I'm thinking that someone may have known her routine and planned ahead. Also thought that because people were used to the sound of the equipment, that perhaps even if someone started a piece at night no one may notice. It would certainly hide the sound of screams. Just a thought. I did look at the beer bottles. Three long neck beer bottles, one with the neck broken right off and I thought perhaps at least two different labels. May speak to the number of perps.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 30, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
Jeesh, write a few words and everybody reads my mind LOL. We might not have had the tension in here for the past few days if this had all been cleared up earlier. I can honestly say I feel like the elephant has left the room. That being said:
Baba: Do you still have the remembrance book I asked about. That is coming across as being very important. You're all absolutely right, only DNA will solve a case this cold. BUT we need a name to go with the DNA and that name could be in the Remembrance book and on the police suspect list. Would you please just follow through on this if it's at all possible
GIS: You're absolutely right, a person should be welcomed and not viewed with suspicion. I have absolutely no idea why I wrote that last part of my message. It comes to me and I write it but it obviously struck a chord so maybe I was mean't to write it. I loved your analogy about the cake.
DigDig: Welcome. I do have to say just one more thing. I was really beginning to wonder if your name had the meaning you had said it did. That you like to dig and then dig further for the truth. Because I was really beginning to feel like you just wanted to get your little "digs" into the group. A new member adds to the forum, they don't try to divide the group and truly I was starting to see divided lines and maybe you weren't doing it intentionally but none of us can work individually, it's our collective input that makes us what we are. I'm sorry if you felt you were being attacked but then that's probably how Ling felt and I know it was how I felt at one point.
Back to Baba: I totally agree with you, you know it's close to being solved when tensions are running this high. It's been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 30, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
I'm not surprised that you don't remember reading that in my post Lost. That's the day that everything blew up on this thread. I think when there's that much heat in the room no one absorbs anything and objectivity is lost. Everyone just has to remember that they are here for the same reason.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 30, 2008, 09:40:35 PM
We are just a bunch of spitfires here! LOL

Mauve...  Sorry I haven't commented sooner on your suggestion...just as Debbie said, it got lost in thought, and I apologize to you and to Debbie!

Mauve ... the answer is "Yes." Plus photos.

Debbie...that many of the theories circle around premeditation.

Hugs to all!

I am going to go over everything in the thread again, and see if I missed anything.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 31, 2008, 03:22:25 AM
Hope everything is well in here. If I missed something, can someone let me know? It is great the work y'all have done here, I'm starting to get a good feel for what happened. I'm really thinking this case has more then it seems.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on October 31, 2008, 10:24:58 AM
No need to apologize Baba, just wanted to make sure you followed through. I just finished reading a book, one of my many true crime novels and that leapt out at me and almost bit me.
Chris, you're the greatest, keep on doing what you do best. We're all fine in here, we just needed to clear the air and vent frustrations.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: me on October 31, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
This is a huge thread, not the easiest for me to follow, but what really strikes me is the level of hatred in the perpetrator.  I know that the general conscensus is that there was more than one perp, but it boggles my mind that a premeditated, planned murder (as this appears to be based on what I've been reading) would speak so loudly of rage. 

Maybe I'm just naive, but could a person so violent be able to hide that trait for 50 years?  If there was more than one person, its even harder to understand how it could be kept secret.

Horrifying . . .
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 31, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
I think I know what you're saying me. I have often read that when a perp attacks with that much rage it is someone who knows the victim, and it is done on the spur of the moment.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on October 31, 2008, 06:41:35 PM
It is so hard sometimes to figure out what happened to Alexandra, because it was early in the evening. She was not at a bar, but she may have had plans to meet someone and people sometimes commit very violent crimes against someone they know, and maybe she did not know the person well. She could have rejected advances and he expected more. But did the initial investigation feel that there was more then one individual that committed this crime??? After watching television lately there are a lot of crimes that are very violent and are committed by someone who knows the individual and usually the last person anyone would think would commit the crime and a lone individual commits the crime. Just truly hope that Baba and all are progressing right along in their investigation. Prayers again to all of you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Maureen on October 31, 2008, 08:32:23 PM
Baby Donya, with Alexandra being a nurse she would have been in contact with a lot of people. Maybe it could be someone that had one time been a patient in her ward, a police officer because they bring people in to the hospital for one reason or another or an ambulance attendant who would be at the hospital or it could be a co-worker. Whoever it was for some reason was violent towards her. Say one of these people asked her out but she didn't want to have anything to do with them, they got angry because of this and planned how they would get but had to kill her because she could identify them. There are many rapists out there that don't kill their victim but this one I believe killed Alexandra because she could identify him. I think it was only one person who did this horrible crime. Were her co-workers questioned by you and your sisters. She may have told one of them that she was afraid of someone or told about someone wanting to date her or whatever. One of the problems is if the person who did this horrible crime is and I say this sarcastically, a pillar of the community, who would tell what they know. A good example of what pillars of the community is New Waterford. It's the pillars in this community that cover-up everything. Hopefully we will know soon who did this to Alexandra and she will finally rest in peace.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on November 01, 2008, 05:08:08 PM
Maureen, you think along the lines that I do, I believe it was one person and I think it as someone she knew.  Why would they have to kill her, of course, she could identify them and this was a quick and violent act. I think she struggled so hard for her life that she could not use energy to scream, that is quite possible. In BC a while back there was a very violent person who raped a young girl and the other one got away, this man turned out to be a married man with children, so unsuspecting was everyone in the community when he was caught. This perp could be the same kind of person, very unassuming in the community and a killer walking among you.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on November 01, 2008, 05:40:33 PM
Cape, there are many instances that I can think of where the perp was a married man with a family, the type no one would suspect. I've seen documentaries on both The Green River Killer, and BTK, both serial killers that had wives and families, and both worked at their jobs for many years. Most of us would look at those men and think they were upstanding citizens. In actuality, both were cold blooded killers with so many victims we'll never know. I think as a woman, most of us in our lives have had instances where we had to fight off unwanted advances, and some guys don't like to take no for an answer. I wouldn't be surprised if you are on the right track.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: bonniebell on November 04, 2008, 08:40:13 PM
   I understand how thinking someone who wrote a book on it was out for the money but I never knew anything about Alex Wiwcharuk until I bought and read the book. It makes it so that it is harder to forget and it is written so that it is very interesting and informative.  [
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 04, 2008, 09:04:38 PM
I haven't read that book; but I have heard from others that it does not portrait the victim, Alexandra very well.... is misleading in that respect. .... plus I'm not sure, now that I understand that, and since we have all gotten so concerned and involved emotionally in her death and her memory, I don't think I would want to read something so inconclusive.... at least not at this point.  ...had it been written by her family, yes! I suppose I'd have to have it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on November 05, 2008, 01:31:08 AM
I want to get this book myself.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 05, 2008, 10:51:54 AM
I know what you're thinking Chris; "I wonder what people the writer interviewed had to say about the murder? and what was the "take on it"?... I'm thinking that too, now.
If the author was inaccurate in portraying Alexandra's character or had other seemingly insignificant inaccaracies, it may be reflective of the town's people, and also their attitude about the killer/s being exposed or not.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 03:04:21 PM
A thought came to me the other night. I do entirely to much thinking. There is a cop involved in this murder either directly(he did the actual killing), could have been a brother or son of the cop, a neighbour, a friend. But there's a cop and I don't mean in the investigation aspect.
Another thing bothers and forgive me if someone has already brought this up because my memory is the pits, but the boys who first discovered her, what was it 6 or 7 days after she was murdered and then they went home and told their uncle(?) who didn't believe them and then they finally told another relative who did and went home and told the same person. Well, was this person ever thoroughly investigated,(the one that was told). Because had the boys been believed sooner, she would have been found sooner, so to me the person they told might have had knowledge already of her being there?
I know if my grandchildren came home and told me something like that(even as active as their imaginations are) I would be right down there checking it out for myself.
Well that's my thoughts.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 05, 2008, 04:09:12 PM
I agree mauve.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 04:24:18 PM
ok Baba, I just did an update on my rogue cop Ron West, responsible for two nurse's murders in Ontario. I watched Crime Story tonight and they said that in 1995 when they finally caught him after 30 years for the murders of the nurses they took his blood. Now for the last week or so, I've had a feeling a policeman was much more involved in this than just investigation wise. Could you please just to humour me have your authorities approach our Ontario ones to get a sample of this mans blood?
Now our nurses in Ontario were shot. That would have been too obvious since policemans guns have always been registered. It's a long shot I know. I just think all possibilities need to be looked at?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on November 05, 2008, 05:39:49 PM
You speak of a book on here, but I did not get the name, maybe it is in earlier comments. If you could write the name in here, I certainly would be open to reading it also.  I just saw a movie last evening "The Changeling", which was directed by C. Eastwood and Angelina Joline was the star. Go and see that movie, it is a true story and it just goes to show how corrupt police can be and this was in 1928, and based on the late 20's, an excellent story and a good mystery. I won't divulge the story, this is proof of how someone fought for justice and got it and that was way back before my time. Sometimes females are very trusting on people they know and I myself am aware of friends that have came into great danger because of trusting someone. Thank heavens, I was lucky in my years of growing up, the odd incident but nothing too serious. This crys out of being a person Alexandra knew and trusted.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Maureen on November 05, 2008, 06:29:06 PM
Like you said in an earlier post capeheart, that we think alike. I think you are right on the money with your thoughts. I am going to see the Changling. I seen the ad gfor it on TV and I believe it is a true story.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 07:07:41 PM
i believe it's called, The Girl in Saskatoon by Sharon Butala, Cape.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on November 06, 2008, 12:17:26 AM
I know what you're thinking Chris; "I wonder what people the writer interviewed had to say about the murder? and what was the "take on it"?... I'm thinking that too, now.
If the author was inaccurate in portraying Alexandra's character or had other seemingly insignificant inaccaracies, it may be reflective of the town's people, and also their attitude about the killer/s being exposed or not.

At least it can give some perspective I hope into how things happened. I just hope to get a sense of something.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on November 06, 2008, 05:14:10 PM
 8)Good Evening!
Well i'm piping up again!
I just had to join in here.
"The Changling" is based on a "true" story set in the 1920's! Where did it come from you say, hmmmm! Maybe it's right from, Alexandra's back yard! Clint Eastwood bought the rights, last year I believe, don't quote me though!
Ya'll have a wonderful night! 8) ???

This really is a good story, really!
Very Ironic!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on November 06, 2008, 06:01:53 PM
GIS: I love your avatar and your way of thinking. You guys have got me going , now i'm going to have to go see that movie.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on November 06, 2008, 06:51:20 PM
Really, I am serious, name, place and date?? 8)

Read and think my words.
"In the beginning...." ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 06, 2008, 08:59:34 PM
GIS; as I understand it, a great part of this movie was filmed in Vancouver...also I couldn't help...I also read about the killer being traced to Canada and I just looked it up and found "killer was tried here as well."
http://www.uktheatre.net/articles.aspx?DoAction=Display&View=Print&ArticleID=104106666812626&CatID=136&ListUnder=
The pivotal action in the crime investigation revolves around the uncovering of a series of heinous murders ?there is a Canadian connection here, and even a trip to Vancouver to track down the murderer? and the trials that follow.  
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on November 06, 2008, 10:21:32 PM
 8)Sorry about the cat and mouse but.....
There was a story in the Star Phoenix, in and around 2003-2004(i'll get the date later), about a possible suspect connection.
  8)

"THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE IN, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL,
 BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT" :-X
                                                                ...........ALBERT EINSTEIN..............................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_(film)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on November 07, 2008, 04:19:53 AM
THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE IN, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL,
 BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT"
                                                                ...........ALBERT EINSTEIN..............................


So true!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on November 07, 2008, 10:49:38 AM
Mauve, thanks for the name of that book and I will try and get it at the library.  I am sure you will be very pleased by the acting and the true story portrayed in "The Changeling", one of the best movies I've seen in years. Have a good day, friends.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Locoster on November 11, 2008, 01:18:48 AM
Are you sure it was a Corvette? Locoster..

What else did you notice different, Locoster, from this edition of the 'Fifth', and the previous one? (Besides us)

There was a couple of interviews on the older documentary, and I think one was with a one time suspect.  Am I right on that?

I definately remember a Corvette being mentioned on a previous showing.  They were recounting reports of vehicles that were in the vicinity.  I have been around sports cars most of my life.   Hope it is not affecting my thinking.  Is there anywhere the old documentaries can be found?  I would like to affirm the mention of a Corvette.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 12, 2008, 07:29:57 PM
Just bringing Alexandra's thread to the top and hoping Baba and her sisters are well and maybe finding more clues. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on December 01, 2008, 08:24:28 PM
 8)Did ya'll see "The Changling"?.....
It has been much to quiet on this site, what happened, was everyone on VaCa?(vacation)
Mauve Nov.5: Now I need to know the date on the Ron West murders as I remember, he was on "Cold Case Files" around four years ago.  I watched it and cold chills went up my spine. Nurses and Police always seem to be linked! I guess i'll look it up.
What was the verdict on Sharon's book?

Have a wonderful night! 8)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on December 02, 2008, 01:16:00 AM
Hi Everyone!...
Sorry, haven't been in for awhile!

Bonniebell....the book was misleading....the ones who knew Alexandra thought the book belonged in the "BURN" pile!

I think that a real true crime book, would be a more accurate piece of literature. The author's narrative is fixated on trying to draw commonalites to my Aunt. I wish the author would have really gotten to know my auntie, instead of writing a book from the perspective of a jealous teenager. She (the author) saw her with her friends in the school hall, and had a class with her... Duh...and that gives some credance to write a novel on my Aunt. My auntie was all the things the author desired to be.

Therefore, the "BURN" pile it goes!

Now I have to do catch up!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on December 02, 2008, 01:26:55 AM
Oh Chris, mine is a signed copy....LOL

It is now burned on the edges....LOL

Hey GIS...sneaky, sneaky....

How is everyone doing? Been so...so... busy...

Trying to catch up with all I have missed!



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2008, 12:17:53 AM
Hey nice to see you, everything has been good around here.

Is there anything you recommend to be read to get a good handle on this case? Next spring I was going to head to the Saskatoon library and will probably look up some of the old newspaper clippings on this.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: raisinpie on January 13, 2009, 04:39:30 PM
What happened to this story... there seemed to be a lot of news and documentaries on the work the nieces were doing and then they were about to release information and then nothing... no more news. Anyone know what is happening (that can be released without jeopardising the investigation)? Can the nieces provide an update? Or anyone else?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: mauvelilac on January 13, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
Baba: Since you commented on the book, I can too I guess :'( Ladies and Gentleman, I have discovered the cure for insomnia. I asked for and received the book for Christmas and Baba hit it right on the head. It has to be the all time most boring true crime novel I have ever read. Every time I have trouble sleeping I pick it up, read half a page and presto. It was the type of book you could put down after reading a page or two and never look at it again.
GIS: Haven't had a chance to see the Changeling yet. The West murders, don't quote me on this but I think it was around the mid-60's (65-67). That's why I wondered if he could have done Alexandria's.  He had a fondness for nurses. When he tried to kill my husband and I, it was the early 70's. He must have been psychic because it was only three or four years after that I became a nurse too.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on January 13, 2009, 05:47:30 PM
I too have been wondering about baba and the sisters and how they were doing. I was looking forward to getting some real concrete information on the matter and that someone would be named as the person who committed this crime. Maybe this is the calm before the storm, I do hope so. It seems that things have gone pretty quiet and we haven't had any new comments on what is being done. How about an update sisters and hope all is going well. Thanks for writing about this again Mauve. Mauve, I do hope you do see The Changeling, such a great picture and especially since it is a true story. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on January 13, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
I hope the sisters aren't discusted because the powers that be pulled off yet another cover-up.  Consider the possible caliber of culprits here... their power passes down through the ranks.... the girl was possibly the most sought after girl in town ... a real temptation for those who "do whatever they want" and get away with it.
God bless that family.  Don't give up girls.  At least make their lives hell while you're in this world.  ...because you won't be going where they're going in the afterlife, so you won't get to see them suffer....so at least keep them up at night and looking over their shoulders... and see them squirm now...and cause them to have to explain and cover up for the rest of their lives.....then you'll know you've done right by Alexandra. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on January 15, 2009, 11:28:58 AM
 Good morning everyone, 8)
I trust everyone had a wonderful Christmas, and a fantastic "New Year".
It looks like Babadonya and her sisters took vacation time? Good for them, they probably needed it! All our best wishes for success!
Hmmmm, from what I hear Baba, you haven't got the results back from the DNA, the police were given in Oct/Nov?

 Ya'll have a wonderful day! 8)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
Why are you being so sarcastic? These people want to know what happened to there Aunt. It does not mean any harm is being done. I am glad they are doing this and wish more familie would demadn the same.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on January 22, 2009, 12:48:56 PM
 :(
Good afternoon,
Chris, I am not being sarcastic.
I think these girls are wonderful, you are right there should be more families doing the same thing for their loved ones, who have been violated and murdered! They have big kahunas, that many of us do not. All the time, effort and money they sink into this, it could only be for the love of their Aunt, nothing more! Thats all I can say for now.
Where is Baba? I hope everythings okay?
Ya'll have a wonderful day! 8)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
Hello Everyone!

I am back now, up and running.....

Looks like I have alot to read and catch up to....give me a little time!

MISSED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUS.....LOL my Saskatchewan English is kicking in!

 :-\

Hope everyone had a good Christmas!



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:00:53 PM
Just to keep you updated about the DNA, let's see if they really let us know the results...hmmm..... How on board are they really????
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
GIS ...big "kahunas"....now really?????

What does that mean????LOL

Last time I was in school...that meant big jugs....this is not the site for that!

ROFL

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
Chris what time in the spring????

Are you serious about doing some things?

That would be fantastic!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:14:03 PM
Raisin Pie....we are just fine! We wanted to enjoy holidays as much as our Auntie would have wanted us too.....We celebrate two Christmas, so the season lasts a long time for us too...We also celebrate two New Years....

Christos Rhodiatche....(sorta in English)
Slavete Yaho

As religion was a very important part in our Auntie's life, it is in ours, too.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
Mauve, Love your comment about the book! LOL

Lost, You are so on the money! God Bless You!

Everyone be careful what you say, LOOK how many LURKERS!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 03:18:08 PM
Going to go read...the rest....

I'll come back on later!

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 28, 2009, 04:57:46 PM
Mauve....

Going to look into the diocese again, and see if Fr. got the books for me...

Thanks for the reminder! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on January 29, 2009, 05:00:45 AM


Hi! I hope you gals are closer to getting some answers, and more leads. Alexandra must be so proud of you all.

Just wishing you well, in your quest for justice.

Take care, and stay safe!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on January 31, 2009, 12:06:45 AM
Hello Everyone!

I am back now, up and running.....

Looks like I have alot to read and catch up to....give me a little time!

MISSED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUS.....LOL my Saskatchewan English is kicking in!

 :-\

Hope everyone had a good Christmas!





Glad to see you again!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 01, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
Thx :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on February 07, 2009, 08:29:45 PM
Wow, I have started to read that book that came out recently about this case. My oh my, it is hard to tell if I reading about Alexandra Wiwcharuk or the story of the author so far. It is also weird how she drifts off and starts to talk about how men abused Marlyn Monroe and how she seems to use this book as a chance to slam men as much as talk about herself more then write about the case.

The weirdest thing was when she talked about how she respects police now because there jobs are hard. Wow. What, did she not repect them before?

Anyway, I have gotton 2/3 of the book done and finally about the details. I tell you what, I have a red flag already. That pharmasist at the drug store. He bothers me a lot. And it was confirmed when I read he said he saw her walking with the presummed killer while he was driving home and was so concerned he was going to drive around and look again.

Something does not sit well. But I will read the rest and all those CBC specials before I put more thought into this. And if I can, I am going to go to Saskatoon mext month and retrace the walk. It may provide some insight even though I understand Alex's old home and the drug store are now gone, it may be helpful anyway. I have to go to Sask on other business so I might as well.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 17, 2009, 08:38:54 PM
Chris, we will be there in the Spring, too.

The book...yes, the Mead's Drugstore is now closed. Hmmm.....Chris you might as well check that out for me! I would really really appreciate it!

I am glad you are thinking about the Drugstore....that, I believe was the connection, but I cannot elaborate! As you will understand!

I believe that the author and the PUBLISHER, had alot to do with the garbage that was written in the book.

Who would publish as book that goes in circles????...Especially about a TRUE CRIME! I think the publisher had something to do with trying to tarnish my auntie's name for the sake of money! Just having my auntie's face on the cover of the book, was all they needed to sell it, because this case has been a part of so many Canadian's lives.

I am sure the author had her albatrosses to deal with, but I would never ever let a piece be published, unless, I myself was happy with it!

I wonder...and someday I will ask this author Sharon B. whether or not she felt good about this book being published - UNFINISHED, and it was written without class and therefore, now I understand why she kept having my Auntie appear in her office. My auntie was trying to tell her she was very unhappy with Sharon and what she was writing in the book.

There you go Sharon....if you are lurking...I have solved that mystery for you. You were not the one to do this, and she tried to tell you!

Sorry Chris, I just know somethings and I just got away with myself, about the book, and I understand your apprehension on finishing this book.

The only thing this book did, was keep it in the forefront of people's minds.

Too bad the billboard, is now at a different location. But, Chris let me know where you are going, and maybe I can get you to go somewhere, where you will not be recognized but I will.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 17, 2009, 08:41:18 PM
Getting back to the Changeling....well...I need to hear the thoughts or ideas, if anyone has any.

Besides GIS. LOL

Thanks...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on February 17, 2009, 08:47:05 PM
Thanks,

Yes I finished the book. After reading, it is hard to tell what events the athor experienced and which ones your aunt experienced. I used google maps to look at the location, I am shocked at how close it was to where one would not expect privacy.

Even after finishing the book and watching the CBC special, I still have a lingering doubt about the pharmacist at the drug store who saw her shortly before her murder and who saw her walking down the road. I'm no expert, but I still find that odd.

I know there is a lot you cannot talk about, but it does appear you all have done quite an extensive investigation and I'm sure at one point you will learn who did this, even if they are dead already.

I'll probably go to Saskatoon as soon as all the snow is gone and temps are mild. So, late march probably. And yes, I will do anything you ask no problem at all.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on February 17, 2009, 09:23:35 PM
well Baba; as you know from our many pms in January - the Changeling peaked my curiousity and a few others as well.  ....not so much the story per sa, but the actual characters who although portrayed by actors, were actually real people.... the one who relates to this case is Sanford Clark, apparently wasn't looked at too seriously during Alexandra's murder investigation - yet, ironically - he was hounded on many other crimes with the same MO in later years.  I believe he should have been looked at because reading his history, and realizing what he'd been through, if wouldn't have surprised me if someone like him snapped and instead of being totally "above" all he'd been through - maybe in a "bad moment in his life" something in him reverted to what he'd initially had been the victim of.  I know folks have to read up on this person and also on the paralell with the bizarness of the murders at the chicken ranch in Wineville.

http://www2.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_11283393
Sanford Clark, 15, testified against his uncle, Gordon Stewart Northcott, who kidnapped boys then raped and murdered them at a chicken ranch in Wineville in the '20s. Author Anthony Flacco is writing a book about Clark who served time at Whittier State School for Boys then later fought in World War II, worked for the Canadian Postal Service and raised two sons. (Photo courtesy Martin Literary Management)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on February 17, 2009, 09:52:25 PM
However; it is my opinion; this find by someone in Alexandra's home town was brought to light, merely to draw attention from an actual "known culprit".... mind you that is not based on fact ..... just a gut feeling I have.  After all, the best way to create a diversion is to set a fire and fuel it up.  and this might very well be all this mention of a mass murderer living across the alley from Alexandra at the time of her murder is .... an opportune moment to create a diversion and allow the real murderer (imho - someone with influence) to fade into the sunset.  I've even considered the son of Sanford Clark as a possible, even though he was only about 15 or 16 years old at the time.... figured killing could be "in his blood" ....then I find Sanford Clark and his wife didn't concieve; they adopted - two sons.  ....so it wasn't in his blood. 
Then I started to consider, this Sanford "took a wife" so maybe his heinous experience as a boy, didn't create a preference for boys! - so maybe, being as he learned to kill before he learned to play....maybe he did like woman?  ....yet something in my head tells me this man is just as much a victim, as the victims of his uncle and great grandmother (I believe that's what that lunatic woman was)  .......then again... I get caught up in a remark made by the son of Sanford Clark .... something about his dad digging up a concrete slab etc.

Now when you get to this link; you have to click on the file to maximine it so you can read what I'm referring to.... I don't quite get the meaning of the "concrete slab"
http://alexandrawiwcharuk.net/040110-01.jpg


Yet; something in me still says, no, this man had enough, he's not a killer, never really was, he's totally a victim.
However Baba; you can't blame people for considering a connection with Sanford ..... after all, there was never any other known childhood accomplice to mass murderers in town.
For those who aren't in tune with the movie Changeling; it is all on this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Collins#Christine_and_Walter_Collins
[2][5]In 1926, ranch owner Gordon Stewart Northcott took his 14-year-old nephew, Sanford Clark, from his home in Saskatchewan, Canada. Before a family member was able to inform the police about the situation, Northcott had beaten and sexually abused Clark.[5] In September 1928, the Los Angeles Police Department visited the Northcott Ranch in Wineville, Riverside County.[6] Police found Clark at the ranch and took him into custody. Clark claimed that Northcott had kidnapped, molested, and killed several young boys with the help of Northcott's apparent mother, Sarah Louise Northcott. He had also forced Clark to participate.[6] The police found no complete bodies at the site, but they discovered body parts, the personal effects of missing children, and blood-stained axes. Clark said quicklime was used to dispose of the remains, and the bones had been dumped in the desert.[5] The Northcotts had fled to Canada and they were arrested near Vernon, British Columbia.


Sanford Clark, 15, testified against his uncle, Gordon Stewart Northcott, who kidnapped boys then raped and murdered them at a chicken ranch in Wineville in the '20s. Author Anthony Flacco is writing a book about Clark who served time at Whittier State School for Boys then later fought in World War II, worked for the Canadian Postal Service and raised two sons. (Photo courtesy Martin Literary Management)Jerry Clark, 17, was on his way to a hockey game when his father, Sanford, pulled the car over and revealed a shocking past.
When he was 15, Sanford Clark became the main witness against his uncle, Gordon Stewart Northcott, who kidnapped boys from the Southland in the 1920s then molested and killed them at a chicken ranch in Wineville.

Not only did his uncle rape and beat him, Clark told authorities he was made to help dispose of the bodies and, at gunpoint, ordered to shoot one of the boys.

"Sanford said he never planned to tell Jerry the story," said Anthony Flacco , who is writing a book about Clark and was at the Whittier Museum last week doing research.

But he said Clark was worried reporters working on an unrelated killing near their town would unearth his past. His concern was that his children would hear about it from others. His fear didn't materialize.

Clark wasn't tried but was sentenced to five years at the Whittier State School, which was later renamed the Fred C. Nelles Youth Correctional Facility. Flacco said Clark was there for 23 months and, after his release, deported back to Canada.

He served in World War II, married and worked 28 years for the Canadian postal service. He and his wife, June, adopted and raised two sons. The couple were married for 55 years and were involved in different organizations. Clark died in 1991.

"I'm not writing a true crime book. I'm writing a psychological drama. What's here is a boy and a psyche saved. It's the road out of hell," Flacco said.

The book, set for a fall 2009 release, will be published by Union Square, an imprint of Sterling Publishing.

He said the book is about how Clark emerged from this dysfunction and went on to live an exemplary life.

He credited June Clark, Clark's sister, Jessie, associate prosecution counsel Loyal C. Kelley and the Whittier State School for helping save Sanford Clark.

Kelley recognized Clark was a victim and the Whittier State School emphasized rehabilitation, according to Flacco.

"It seems the judge quietly sent him to Nelles. ... I don't think anybody knew in Whittier he was here," said Myra Hilliard, executive director at the Whittier Museum.

At the Whittier State School, she said the boys were placed in cottages with a house mother or father or both. They learned skills like tailoring, cooking, gardening and woodworking so they could earn their keep as adults.

The whole idea was rehabilitation. Not all the boys at the place had criminal records. She said some were too old to be adopted or their parents could not take care of them.

"This was such a unique facility," she said.

Hilliard said bragging about past criminal behavior was not allowed.

"I know boys were told that was your life before. They were now part of a family. That's what Fred C. Nelles brought," she said.

Nelles served as superintendent at the Whittier State School from 1912 to 1927. The place which later bore his name was closed by the state in 2004.

Jerry Clark wanted to honor his father by telling his story and had been trying to write a book for years, Flacco said. The Canadian truck driver approached a literary agent. Flacco decided to write the book with Clark as a source.

Jerry Clark couldn't be reached for comment Friday.Instead of having his own children, Flacco said Sanford Clark chose to adopt because he didn't want to spread what he viewed as his family's sickness.

"This was the most dysfunctional family," he said.

He described Clark's mother as a sociopath who told her son to go with his uncle in 1926. He said Clark's father was ineffectual, his uncle a psychotic killer and his grandmother a killer.

The two years at the ranch affected Clark. Flacco said the man was plagued with thoughts of suicide all his life.

One time when Clark wasn't at the dinner table, June Clark found him in a room with a gun in his hand. Flacco said she took the gun, smacked her husband and told him to go down and have dinner.

And when Jerry Clark told his dying father he loved him, Clark's last words were, "Why would you?"

"What he could still feel was his own guilt and pain," Flacco said.

Clark was 13 when Northcott took him from his home in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada to the chicken ranch in Wineville (now Mira Loma).

Sanford's older sister, Jessie, became suspicious of the letters he was forced to send home that assured the family he was well.

She went to the ranch. Flacco said she stayed several days but, terrified of Northcott, left and told authorities her brother was being held by a killer.

When they didn't believe her, Flacco said she told them that she and her brother were in the country illegally.

Officials took Jerry Clark, who told them about the murders.

Northcott was convicted of killing Lewis Winslow, 12, and Nelson Winslow, 10, from Pomona as well as an unidentified Latino teen whose headless body was found in La Puente. He was hanged at San Quentin Prison in 1930.

Clint Eastwood's film, "Changeling" focuses on one of Northcott's victims, 9-year-old Walter Collins, and the plight of his mother, Christine Collins.

Northcott's mother, Sarah Louise, pleaded guilty to killing Walter Collins.

and Jerry Clark is out to clear his father's name by donating DNA to illiminate him from the pool of suspects - not trying to be unkind - and maybe I even missed something researching this in the last month or so , but I do have a question:  how can his DNA elliminate his father (Sanford) if Jerry was adopted by Sandford Clark and his wife? ...am I missing something here Baba?
http://www2.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_11283393

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on February 18, 2009, 02:48:51 PM
Good Afternoon, 8)

Thank you!!!!!!


Ya'll, have a wonderful night! 8)
Dedicated to the girls!

"They shall not fail or falter; they shall not weaken or tire....
Give them the tools and they "will" finish the job"..................
Sir Winston Churchill
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 18, 2009, 08:40:08 PM
ROFL, Lost....

Jerry Clark is supposed to be adopted. Maybe they have kept his blood or something of his, just for these reasons.

Where did you read that he offered this up?

I don't recall that?

But, my hat goes off to you Lost, for taking the time to thoroughly investigate this!  :)

Unless Sanford Clark did have a biological son or daughter, somewhere. Remember this was a very disfunctional family. Maybe Clark still has a sibling left alive, who knows?

Yes, a book is to come out next month supposedly...hmmmm let's see if it happens.

I hope the publisher on this book, does a better job, than the book about my auntie. Although, Jerry Clark may be offering this DNA, (however he is doing it) to bring publicity to his new book.

Yah, never know!



Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 18, 2009, 08:43:34 PM
GIS....Love the Quote!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on February 18, 2009, 08:58:30 PM
I included the links in the post/s  Baba .... there's quite a bit of info. on it all...especially in Wikipedia.  But I got one good lead from a newpaper article you guys have on Alexandra's site. ....this really got me digging.  You just click on the real poor looking tiny newspage and it fully enlarges so you can read it.


http://alexandrawiwcharuk.net/040110-01.jpg   
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on February 19, 2009, 07:06:14 AM
Good morning, 8)
How can Jerry offer up his DNA, when he was adopted, unless to exclude himself??? If you read his Sanfords wife found him with a gun in his mouth at dinnertime? It was suggested that Sanford was suicidal for the most part. This man could not have come out of this unscathed. I truly believe this, but thats just me.
Next Sanford did have a sister, the one who reported to the Police(immigration), perhaps she is still alive?
There is another article dated Jan.10, 2004, in the Star Phoenix Heading: City Man hopes to get a chance to clear his name.
Oh, I see, on the website it doesn't show the entire article, but it is the same article. I wonder why Sanford would make such a comment to his son??? My question also is, if the Police said they did a thorough investigation, why weren't father and son interviewed? They were neighbors, I thought they had interviewed all the neighbors, especially you would think Sanford because they knew all about his history?
The Clarks may be quite innocent in all this, but it still makes you wonder why they were overlooked from the beginning.
Ya'll have a nice day! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 19, 2009, 05:37:40 PM
Lost, I am surprized that the statement Jerry made, that he remembers those details, so something bothered him...what, I am not sure???

That tells me that the police may/did continually interview or considered Sanford Clark, for crimes. But, does the profile match???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 19, 2009, 05:47:25 PM
Like in the Changeling...the police methodology eerily reflects the Sasktoon Police, at that time.

I pray everyday for the Saskatoon Police to HELP us to accomplish what we are set out to do! Cold Case files are solved all over the world, there is no reason why this one should not!

But whether or not Mr. Clark offers his DNA, or some sample of his father's, we will never be told whether or not it was actually done. So Mr. Clark can babble all he wants, but how will we really know he has done it?

 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 19, 2009, 05:54:48 PM
GIS ... Are you on the tailspin?

Leaving the past where it belongs, in the past. Whatever happened then we cannot change, but it is now time for us to take charge...and comeplete what should have been completed properly and find the murderer(s).

Those of them (and there were many) that impeded the investigation since the onset should be charged with aiding and abetting murder.

GIS please do not be a 'DAISY CHAIN'.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on February 19, 2009, 06:57:36 PM
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Jerry Clark wanted to honor his father by telling his story and had been trying to write a book for years, Flacco said. The Canadian truck driver approached a literary agent. Flacco decided to write the book with Clark as a source.

Baba; as I understand it, Flacco's book is supposed to be out this fall - I am guessing it will include the DNA findings either way.

I must say, I will always wonder what Sanford meant about he would have to dig up the concrete slap if her body wasn't found.... do you suppose he meant that he was alread considered a suspect the moment she disappeared and therefore; he needn't bother placing the slab until she shows up??? just a thought ... he figured they would be at his door.  I also would like to know more about the pharmacy.... like did she go there before she went down by the river.... I have to re-read and re-dig yet again.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 19, 2009, 09:11:46 PM
Lost, the police will never divulge who was actually on their list of 150 supsects...so I would think that Sanford Clark should have been on that list.

I believe that Mr. Clark said what he did, because he knew that he would always be questioned in any sexual devient type of crime, especially if it included murder.

Mr. Clark was probably told that when he decided to take up residence in Saskatoon, and I believe Mr. Clark knew that this was attached to his life. Mr. Clark probably blamed himself for not helping those young boys escape his Uncle's and Grandmother's heinous acts. Maybe he was even part of the lure, used by his relatives to bait these young boys.

I believe Mr. Clark felt pain and guilt, whenever, something happened to anyone that was so horrendous like this. Mr. Clark relived his nightmare over and over. I bet he enlisted thinking that he might get killed on some warfront.

IMO....Because Mr. Clark did not grow up in a murderous household, and he was rescued, then rehabilitated, to what degree I do not know, but I think it helped that he was raised in a home that was somewhat more dysfunctional than alot of families in the world, and that helped him cope. Anyone raised in a more stable household would have snapped for sure.

I believe with what Mr. Clark said to his son on his death bed, sums it up...Mr. Clark still felt like he should have done more to save those boys, and he felt he needed to be punished. Sadly what he didn't see, was that he had stopped his Uncle and Grandmother from ever killing again.

Okay, and what I don't get...is why the Grandfather, never got charged with disposing of the bodies when he brought the loads of lime to help the bodies dissolve. He should have been charged, too!

Well, oh well, maybe they needed his testimony, and they gave him a slap on the wrist.

Although, Mr. Clark was found with a gun to his head, why did he wait for his wife to find him? Most people who are suicidal -- just do it. What was he waiting for?  Hmmmm that perplexes me, but maybe it will come to me...

Maybe these answers will come in the book.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on February 21, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
I agree Baba;  I feel Sanford Clark had 2 teenage years of terror that could either totally socially cripple an ordinary person, or drive them down the road to hell ..where they would have been a homicidal maniac for a very short time, and caught pretty quick.  But this didn't happen to him, because it wasn't in his nature.  Thanks to the help of caring sensible people, he rose completely above it.  And the only sad part about that was that it left an indelibel mark on his name, which would bring people in his direction everytime they were looking for a "quick closure" to a murder investigation.  I think the man went through hell. the only reason I brought it up, is to point out how many in that area probably thought they could get away with this kind of crime because of the poor abused man who survived (but didn't really survive) 2 years of witnessing and being victimized to murderous hell (so much so that he went to his death bed thinking he was actually part of the guilty duo who were trying to force their macabre mentoring upon him in a brainwashing fashion - until by the grace of God, his goodly sister rescued him.)  I hope the man found peace after death.
I must add, however, that I can't help but think, this horrible secret that was nurtured and banked by the local cops there, probably came in quite handy when it came time to look at suspects of a more predominant section of society.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 21, 2009, 08:24:57 PM
Lost,  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 24, 2009, 09:13:48 AM
Where is everyone?

PM, me, thanks!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 24, 2009, 09:49:07 AM
Lost you deserve a bouquet...

As I attended a funeral for a 21 year old, who was the baby girl of a very good family, I could only see how devastating it was to them to lose their daughter to a car accident. I cannot imagine how my grandparents (Baba and Geda), handled the murder of my Auntie.

My Auntie's funeral, was such a sad funeral, and when I look at the photos of my Auntie's funeral, I can see in the eyes of the people attending how devastated they were.

Her life was ahead of both of these young women. They had the world by their tails, and they both were wonderful and inspiring women. Their lives were both cut short, undeservedly so!

And I  will keep my promise to this young woman's father, that I too will always 'HUG' my children before they leave home!

I will always wonder, if my Baba and Geda did get that chance!

Yes, both of these beautiful women are in a better place. Please keep my Auntie's spirit strong by keeping her on your mind. This way, she will keep strong enough to help us and guide us!

Thank you Everyone!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 24, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
Chris, where are you? Have you started your trek to the City of Bridges?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 24, 2009, 11:41:18 AM
Baba; I don't get it .... I used to be able to go to your website and find all the old clippings about Alex's murder.  Has that link changed?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 24, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
You have to wonder... who out there does not want this case to be solved....

Who has the means, and the money to interfere with our investigation....

Who has the _____________ power to stop the process.

Those of you who are my age and over will know what I mean.

It has happened!

Someone on this site, or a lurker, may be involved.

If I could only tell you what has transpired in the last couple of days...it would only make your skin crawl.

If you know what a daisy chain is (Leonard P. [Nancy Grace]), some daisy chain action just happened in the last couple of days.

It has only made us fully aware of WHO, and I MEAN WHO is watching us.

WE JUST DIDN'T FALL OFF OF THE TURNIP TRUCK!

Lost, you are so on top of things, you are such a blessing. Yes, we are watched, followed, and our personal lives have been accessed in more ways than one. Now the question is who do you think could pull this off, without being detected?

We know, and we would like to say 'Hi' to the cowards. Thank you for confirming what we knew all along!

Lost, there is one distinct sentence in what you have told us, that sets this in motion. Thank You! ;)

Another anniversary coming up, and still the people involved do not want anyone ever to know....who would be so worried, especially at their age....???

Or maybe they just don't want their information on Wikipedia changed...LOL...but it will!





Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 24, 2009, 07:48:46 PM
Somebody with a lot of "pull" is responsible for this beautiful young womans death.... it's clear to me; How else could the family's web site be emptied of all the original newspaper clippings that were posted there?... How else could it have disappeared from the Wikipedia where it was also (in basic story form)?.... Some important people have been pretty busy and calling in a lot of favors to keep this buried IMHO.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Adrian on March 25, 2009, 01:02:45 PM


Baba, Are you Ok? What has been happening. Please take care of yourself, and all family. It is strange to have your website deleted of articles.

The Alexander murder was long ago, and here it is many years later, and some one does not want info out. Please be careful.

R.I.P. Alexander Wiwcharuk...and may closure come soon.

(((hugs) to all family and friends, and the many who care...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 25, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
Hi Adrian....

Oh, if only I could say. Thank you for your good wishes. So far we are all still safe.

Precautions were taken, and we did heed the warnings.

Right now, we have shaken someone's complacency and he does not like it!

Well, he better keep looking over his shoulder, because we are a coming!

You all be careful now what you say....Big Brother is watching. ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on March 25, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
Oh good, keep on marching. I can't wait to go to Saskatoon myself and visit all the sites.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 02, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
Tick Tock...Tick Tock....
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on April 03, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
This is amazing that all this information has been deleted from the site you had. I don't really understand what you are talking about, but the fact that someone is deleting everything you are working toward is definitely a sign that you are hot onto something. DO NOT STOP, KEEP GOING AND GET TO THE REAL ANSWER HERE, because the person is still alive and kicking and very much afraid of this being solved after all these years. All the best and I am praying for you guys that the answer will come. ::) ::) ::) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 03, 2009, 07:24:25 PM
Thanks Cape!

 ;)

MUMS the word!  8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: raisinpie on April 15, 2009, 07:44:06 PM
Let us pray for the family's protection and that there will be a swift resolution to this case.  Good work Baba Donya!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on April 15, 2009, 11:13:59 PM
I read that book. It was half about this case and half about the author herslf. I regret reading it, because now I am not sure what events are related to this case, and which ones were the authors experience.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 ? Age 23 ? Murdered ? Saskatoon
Post by: Maureen on May 05, 2009, 07:33:28 PM
I think the only truth in a book that comes out about Alexandra will be written by Baba Donya and her family. Keep safe and I suggest never to travel alone. Whoever did this has power behind them and God only knows who they have to protect them. Good luck to you and your family Baba Donya and I hope we all hear soon this case is finally dealt with. Take care.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 19, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
Has anyone heard anything new about the investigation? This bothers me.
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This is amazing that all this information has been deleted from the site you had. I don't really understand what you are talking about, but the fact that someone is deleting everything you are working toward is definitely a sign that you are hot onto something.

How can this happen to one of the most high profile cold cases in this country. Even after being featured on the fifth estate, this is the end result and so little is being said?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 19, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
Baba. I would go right back on that site and put everything that I could remember that I had on there that was deleted, I would put it back on there. I would go right to the newspaper in my town and I would get a journalist there and sit them down and say this is what has been done and I would have a big story for the local news. Newspapers love articles that will sell papers and I am sure that would be a very best seller. Also there is the Reader's Digest, you could get them to do a story on Alexandra and I am sure they would be more then happy to. This crys for justice and because someone is covering it up to this day all these years later, for sure that person is still alive, I would say. Don't stop now, that fish is about to be caught..... ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2009, 02:34:04 AM
Thanks Cape, sorry I haven't been on for  'a' while....

Something else cropped up in my research...the time of death. Although, I am not trying to discredit the coroner...but by the time they had found her body....they all ready knew what she had to eat. So in order not to panic the women of the city and appease the family, I do believe they lied about the contents in her stomach. The Chief of Police would have had something to do with that, but since he has passed away via a heart attack shovelling snow, ...hmm... was it last winter???? Anyways I guess he will never tell...how convenient for the murderer(s).

Although today's forensics will tell you that to be that accurate would not have been very professional on the coroner's part! Well forensic science has come along way since then! Therefore, due to forensic science, there has a lot of scientific variables and/or factors that have to be taken into account before an accurate time of death could have been pinpointed. Therefore, she may have been alive for some time, before she was murdered! Since her body was discovered so much later than her disappearance or death, it was very bold of this coroner to make such a statement!

Seems to be all neat and tidy....doesn't it!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2009, 02:40:47 AM
Boek....

The book does not depict who my Auntie was, for sure! I think the author needed to put out a book, had a deadline, and had an editor who had no CLASS, oh...yes let us not forget the publishers, and all of the book stores who had this author present her book at their store! Phewey to them all!

I cannot believe someone who knew so little of my auntie would dare to write about her, and yet she knew so little! I don't think anyone I know will be running out to buy her next book....

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2009, 02:42:06 AM
Hey Cape...do you remember ICQ?

Anyways, Cape, thanks...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: me on May 22, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
Baya, once you accept that the coroner's time of death was wrong, it seems to me that this opens up a whole new set of possibilities.  She disappeared May 18th and was found May 31st.  That's 13 days, likely a few more before the autopsy was completed.  I know nothing about forensics, but after that length of time, could they even be certain that she died the same day?

If the boys can be trusted, they saw her possibly as late as 9:45 p.m.  I'm not asking you to tell me their names, but do you know the names of the two boys?  Is it possible to investigate their character and determine the likelyhood that they were telling the truth?

Sorry, I know that you've likely gone over all this.  Just wish I could help.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 22, 2009, 02:25:10 PM
The time of death is a very important factor, so if that is wrong it could be throwing the whole investigation off. Also as indicated those boys, how do they know exactly the time they saw Alexandra. I mean if it was dark, how can they be sure. Are they wrong about the time they think they saw Alexandra, it could have been earlier. It sounds like this was a crime done very quickly, the fact that she was buried alive is devastating and Alexandra died a horrible death. I do hope that through all these facts that are  being brought up again that there will be justice for Alexandra. All the best again, Baba and family. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2009, 12:08:13 AM
Des... WOW!!!!!!

There is so many clues within clues....and I want to answer you with honesty....but you are so very good!


Now for the chief and his smiles...you betcha!

We have other photos which we have come by, and ...

I do have to correct you on one thing, for sure, that I can...she never crossed the bridge. She lived on the north side of the river. She also would have never walked home in that direction....

I am so glad you hit on the dogs!!!!

Now, also, if you read the newspaper articles...how the chief wanted people to come forward, even those on the river in boats fishing to do so....why would he suggest that???

This crime rocked the city, I think that whomever was on the river at the time would not have come forward, or maybe they already knew how corrupt the chief was at the time....(this is all noted on the net, by the way) and also how he hated Ukrainians.

She definitely was stalked.....definitely!

Even today when women are stalked the police do next to nothing about it, despite the new laws! HOW SAD!

Des or anyone else, what about this being a secondary crime scene???

Des, people have come forward, especially lately...

Something is stirring!

Des I do know that area off by heart, and yes, that was such a popular spot, and is today, too. It is somewhat misleading to some people where it actually happened. I have to tell you if that it happened in the time frame, as indicated by the coroner's report, believe me there would have been alot more people around. Walking by, etc. She would have screamed for her life! She was a fighter! So, to tell me that she wasn't heard, would have been impossible, because that would not have been her character.

The scratch marks, well you betcha....my auntie would have left her mark!

I remember when a SWAT member came in to talk to the women where I worked and told us, that if we ever end up in a situation where we know the perp is going to kill us, fight them to your death! Well, I know my auntie would have fought, until the coward(s) knocked her unconcious!

Oh yes, the murderer of my dear little friend was found and convicted. They believe it was the same man, who had shot at me. Hmm...that gives me an idea....Thanks Des.

By the way 'Thanks Des' for everything!

God Bless, and Take Care!

Baba Donya


Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2009, 12:17:52 AM
Des, I didn't proof read this one...oops..

Anyways, when it comes to the people fishing on the river. They would have come forward is what I meant. How would he have known that there were fishermen on the water??? There were also alot of hobos who lived on the bank across the river...especially the ones who used to hitch on the railroad... They would have heard something.

Also, from the street above, that area had been cleared...and you would have been able to see any wrong doing from Spadina Crescent. The street lights would have lit up the area....they have not even changed since that time!

And yes, S.B. I cannot explain her indifference toward my Auntie!  Or is she just upset my Auntie didn't have to write books  to become a legend??? Dunno....

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2009, 12:22:55 AM
Yes, Cape!

Oh, those boys ...well....

Just in case they are lurking, which I am sure they are....

 ;)

Thanks Cape!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2009, 12:25:10 AM
Det. F.

A Girl has to do what a Girl has to do!  :-X
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 22, 2009, 11:45:52 PM
I finally made it to Saskatoon today and checked out the spot the body was discovered.

IMO.... tihs was NOT a random chance. A lurker would not wait in a spot like hoping to find a victim. I am certain she was targeted.

I know I have no evidence nor have I reviewed any of the evidence, but after reading what I have, and seeing the scene, and believing someone followed here there, my suspect #1 is still the man at the Pharmacist who saw her walking after she left his store.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 10, 2009, 12:01:51 AM
Hi Everyone, being away been out of province....

Chris, I hope you had a great trip to Saskatoon!

I know you have more to tell....PM me! ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on September 10, 2009, 08:48:52 PM
I am so glad even after all this time that some pieces of the puzzle will fit in place. Maybe even after all this time the person will be found, it would be a so good for the one's left behind if this was solved. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 11, 2009, 12:30:42 AM
We are nearly there, Cape.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on September 15, 2009, 09:38:59 AM
That is such great news Baba, can't wait to find out the details in the future of the intense investigation of this case, after all these years. I pray that this case will be solved and that some kind of justice is forthcoming. I know it will bring a lot of peace to Alexandra's family and friends. Prayers for you and the family for all the work you have done on this. It must feel good to know that you are accomplishing what you set out to do.. All the best. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 17, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
When we are all done...we will have to DANCE!

That was my Auntie's favourite thing to do!

I would like to thank all of you for your kind words and thoughts, and if we keep her in our prayers and minds, we will finish this alot quicker than anticipated or projected!

The pressure is on! ;)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 17, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
Sharon...if you remember your dream about a statue...what was it of???

It will be of great importance .... I think.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on September 17, 2009, 05:32:16 PM
Yes, Baba, we will dance. I will dance here in C.B. for you and your family. Just put the note on here and we will all dance right across the country when this case is solved. Because, when your case is solved after all this time, there will so much hope for others. God bless and keep on trucking. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on September 17, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
for sure!  .....and that goes doubly from the "Miller" family here in Cape Breton.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 18, 2009, 08:48:16 PM
Hiya Lost....

nice to see you....anything new???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on September 19, 2009, 09:04:49 AM
"What's new?" ..well, let us see -------  >:(one of those we believe involved in Clayton's murder.... (one of the three who we believe beat him into some kind of comma before the police scooped the child's lifeless body up, and threw it in a jail cell)  appears will be getting a mere "slap on the hand" for killing someone else a year ago.   it's exactly as we predicted baba;  when killers walk around free for twenty years and a murder goes unsolved, they must have something powerful on others.  Of course your family knows that sooooo well.

http://www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=284503&sc=145

----missed ya here girl....hi to the girls from us~
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 20, 2009, 12:48:30 AM
Hi Lost,

Everyone passes their hellos to you Too!

Yes, Lost this is so true. I am also coming across alot of people who had relatives who the RCMP listed the deaths of their loved ones as suicide. Even if the forensics, etc., proved it impossible. Alot of bad policing out there... way too much of that!

I hope that alot of things like this will change, so that all of our digging can benefit others.  Show the police that if they have given up, we haven't.... And as long as we haven't they shouldn't!  It is no longer the boyz club, and it is time that these officers sharpened their abilities, or get someone on the cases who know what they are doing!

Yes, Lost, there definitely was a coverup!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on September 20, 2009, 08:16:14 AM
Good Morning, 8)

I hope everything is well with everyone?
Does anyone remember anything about this guy? Trying to look him up.
Lionel Llewellyn/ Kelowna Daily Courier/Tues.April 8,2008/Rapist paroled after 40 Years! Calgary Sun/April 9,2008/Man convicted of 1968 rape-murder gains more freedom. I believe he hailed from CB?? Not sure??

Ya'll have a great day! :-X
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on September 20, 2009, 09:07:21 AM
Is this who you mean GIS? ..... when I read about him, I seem to recall a nurse being murdered and found in the snow along a fence or something back around that time...and the wrong person being convictied of it??? :-\ maybe he did that as well.  Don't recall ever hearing that name on the eastcoast.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 21, 2009, 12:10:07 AM
Only in Canada, eh???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 07, 2009, 05:47:02 PM
New updates on   www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 07, 2009, 05:50:57 PM
thanks Baba; we are all still hoping for a break in this.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 07, 2009, 10:38:15 PM
SAP,

Yes, it was a blessing that Gail Miller's murderer was finally put away!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 08, 2009, 07:34:03 PM
Don't we ALL!

Unfortunately, too many are set free, to reoffend again!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Locoster on October 29, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
Baba Donya:

I agree. 

Also, Can you call Ed in Regina?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: rakisk8r on April 21, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
Dear family of Alexandria W.
I am so very, very sorry for your tragic loss.
I live in BC & just saw Fifth Estate last night.  Please forgive me for not reading all the posts on this site... I am wondering whether the police investigated L. Fisher?  And whether the Saskatoon police have yet involved "sucessful" cold squad detectives from other cities (Canada / Great Britain / U.S.) to assist with this case?
~raki in B.C.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on April 21, 2010, 11:11:13 PM
Larry Fisher would only have been 13 at that time. And I think he did not live in Saskatoon either.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on April 24, 2010, 08:46:31 AM
Babadonya, where are you, you have not posted since October. We would like to hear some news from you, a little note or an update. I'm always thinking about your quest for justice in Alexandra's case. :( :( :( :( 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on April 28, 2010, 09:34:59 AM
rakisk8r; thank you for stopping by; I do hope you will read more and spend some time with us.
Alexandria's horrible death should not be forgotten.  Her loved ones deserve to find out what transpired, and what if anything, was dis-regarded by authorities and swept under the table. 
In order for that to happen, we need to spread the word that we here, on www.unsolvedcanada.ca are still anxious to have people share what they've heard over the years, and what they know of this awful event.
Please pass the link in your community and keep the lines open to information.  That is the best way to help the family solve this case.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 30, 2010, 09:40:06 AM
Good Morning Everyone!

Yes, our lives have been busy. Sheeeesh time flies. Well another anniversary is coming up! It will take more than just us to keep this case alive, and on top of the Cold Case Detectives pile. We need people to speak up, and send emails, faxes or phone calls to keep these officers alert to their task. Some new detectives have moved in because others have retired....maybe a set of new eyes...will improve the investigative efforts...LET'S SEE.....

Another book has been published just outlining a bit of the case, and it is called "Unsolved Murders of Canada", written by Lisa Wojna. Chapter 5, Down by the River---Alexandra Wiwcharuk, pages 135 - 156. This book is worthwhile getting.

Raki Send your request to the Saskatoon Police Cold Case Unit....I believe they need all the help they can get! I do not believe they have ever used all of the resources available to them. Maybe because they are men...they are afraid to ask....LOL Whatever the reason, pooling of resources and experts has been minimal. Maybe they just think that solving her case is not cost effective. Whatever the reason, we need the public to put pressure on them to take a leap of faith and go forward. We need people to become proactive, and encourage the people they know who may have any knowledge of this murder to come forward....DO NOT WAIT!

THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. YOUR KIND WORDS, EFFORTS AND PRAYERS GIVES US STRENGTH AND PERSISTANCE.

God Bless You All!

Baba Donya :)

 

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on April 30, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
Baba, I really thought after all your work that you and the family did, that maybe some concrete answers would be put forth and we would be closer to knowing who murdered Alexandra. This is really something that this case is still ongoing and no arrests or no POI.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 30, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
Hi Cape....Yes, there are person(s) of interest, but nowadays you really have to cross your t's and dot your i's to make sure your case will fly! eg...David Milgaard....look at him, Saskatchewan is going to make sure they don't make a blunder like that again! That is why I believe they are afraid to take a leap of faith. I do believe they really know who did it...and always have! :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 01, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
Baba, I always thought that maybe they did have a POI. But in my mind also, I cannot understand why they did not take him to court on this. Maybe they were going to do it in the early years and too much time lapsed and then they felt it wouldn't stick. Did they ever tell you they had a POI??? It must still be so troubling to your family not knowing or get justice after all these years. I think about this case and I am not even a detective or living in your part of the country. A very troubling case, that should have had justice. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 01, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
It appears that we have gotten info that has surprised a few...let us say shocked!!!

The anniversary is coming up.....

What kind of lip service are we going to be delivered now?????

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 01, 2010, 11:01:25 PM
baba; I hope the monster that inhumanly and selfishly did what he did to Alexandra.... in addition to the fact that the devil owns him now.... gets agonisingly haunted to the point of "no return" for the rest of his God-forsaken excuse for a life.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 02, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
Lost,

Defininitely the Devil does own him! But....I have to wonder how many  police officers are owned by the Devil too...for this case not to be solved for sooooo long!

Time and time again throughout time....there has always been corrupt police officers. Then there is the justice system.....another dark hole in our society!

Like I was told by a lawyer one time, the laws are designed to keep good people good, because bad people will always be bad.....hmmmm....
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 02, 2010, 12:20:52 PM
Quote
Like I was told by a lawyer one time, the laws are designed to keep good people good, because bad people will always be bad.....hmmmm....
Ain't that the truth!!  and the white-washing continues.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 03, 2010, 01:22:09 AM
OOPS...I should have said the devil owns them not just him.....
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 09, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
I wonder if all that are guilty both of murdering my Auntie and the ones who enabled the murderer(s) to live unconvicted...I hope they read the Book of Revelations....Maybe they can see exactly what is going to happen to them!

Oh, and for those people it is in the Bible.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 10, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
Baba, I really thought by now that someone would be charged in your aunt's murder. So much time has gone by and all the work you and your family have done and still no confirmed answers on who took Alexandra's life. A big coverup seems to be what has happened in this case. Somebody definitely knows who committed this crime. Yes, I do believe that what goes around comes around and maybe they should read the Book of Revelation.  8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 11, 2010, 12:03:35 AM

We will continue to look..."Seek and Ye Shall Find"
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SaskGal on May 11, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
Hello to all.  My condolences to the family.  I am new to the site and currently live in Saskatoon.  My family came here from Ontairo back in '74 so I am not aware of this case.  I am shocked to see that I had not heard about this one.  I don't know why, but everyone knew of the Milgard case when I was a kid and from what I've read so far seems shockingly similar to where that murder took place.  Sad that this one didn't take the spotlight as well. 

You say she was found by the weir on Spadina?  I did see a post that Larry Fisher was 13 at the time, so chances are it wasn't him.  Also, the thought of a drifter did pass my mind as well since the train bridge is right there and back in the day, that road was not well travelled.  I'm trying to think of how the city looked back then when I was a kid and so much has changed over the years.  I was going to look into the book mentioned, for I am a reader of true crime and do watch cold case murder files on canadian and american television.  Was there ever a tv spot done for this? And where I can read up more on it?  I like to think that knowledge is key to finding answers.  No one keeps a secret for very long, unless they take it to their grave, so chances are whomever did it either said or did something.  I have not yet completed reading all the pages to this thread, but I still wanted to say something on it for I have had a friend murdered in this city (Lisa Jackson, married name Lisa Gurtler).  I do like the fact that this thread sticks to facts, that is a huge step in the right direction.  Again, I am sorry for your loss and good luck to solving this case.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on May 11, 2010, 06:24:56 PM
I thought it was a busy road back then. If I am not mistaken, it was not a popular path to walk and stroll like it is now, but I could be wrong. I still tihnk it was the person whom she was there to meet.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 12, 2010, 01:05:33 AM
Yes it was a very popular place, and yes there was traffic, and yes the streets were patrolled by foot police, plus cars....

The part where she was located was not part of the popular area, but only a few feet away from the weir. (She was on the other side of the bridge, not on the weir side.)

Any digging would help....and PM me what you find.

Thx..
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 17, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
Saskgal when you read all the threads....you will find the answers to your questions.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 19, 2010, 01:11:12 PM
all of you are curious why we have been so quiet.......

REMEMBER....tick tock...

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 19, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
Baba, I am hoping this is the calm before the storm.  8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 19, 2010, 06:30:06 PM
Cape...IT IS!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 20, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
Baba, great news and all the best to all of you. :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2010, 12:36:38 AM
Anybody reading the comments on this board, please consider messaging me for my 1-800 number (no charge to you) - if you have anything specific or important to add to the case.  I would be very grateful for that.  Comments are great, but at this point, any clue of value needs to be private for the time being.

Thank You

Baba Donya
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2010, 07:21:50 PM
We have now passed another anniversary of my Auntie's death!

Please pray for continued success in leads and groundwork, as we get closser!

Thanks everyone!
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 24, 2010, 10:33:23 AM
Baba, my thoughts and prayers are with you.  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 24, 2010, 11:41:14 PM
Thanks Cape!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 27, 2010, 10:33:37 AM
Check the Saskatoon Star Pheonix, not sure which edition the article will be in. The 48th Anniversary of my Auntie's Murder. Maybe Saturday or Monday.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on May 27, 2010, 08:12:47 PM
Ok Will do!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 28, 2010, 12:03:30 AM
I want to thank all the people who have been so wonderful and accommodating during our journey to solve our Auntie's murder. God Bless Them All, and to my friends here at Unsolved Canada! Your encouragement, faith, and information has been an answer to my prayers!

God Bless!

Baba Donya
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 28, 2010, 10:26:30 AM
Saskatoon Star Pheonix
May 27th, 2010
48th Annniversary Article

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 29, 2010, 02:20:48 AM
My greatest thanks to all who have helped me and my sister in the last three days!

God Bless

Baba Donya
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 29, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
I drove, and walked the path she would have tried to take to her home, before she was attacked.

So sad...so very sad.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 31, 2010, 07:44:56 AM
Thank You Des, As a woman told us, her death cannot be sealed until it is solved.  :'(   
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on May 31, 2010, 10:28:47 AM
I can't help but think your aunt would be extremely humbled and proud of her nieces. Good luck to you all.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 02, 2010, 11:44:47 PM
Thank you Concerned! 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 14, 2010, 12:13:47 AM
Somethings are finally making sense!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on June 14, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
You mean in the case? Or for the process? I was in Saskatoon yesterday and was going to head down and do a walk around. but because it was so nice it was very busy. I'll try again another time. when it is less crowded.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 14, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
Yes, Chris, you need the peace and tranquility. Then I know it will come to you. There is one puzzling area, but I will wait for you to do the walk and see if it is the same for you.

Thanks for trying.  :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on July 28, 2010, 02:15:39 AM
I was just wondering if anything further has developed regarding this case, I am hoping there will be news soon.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on July 28, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
I hope there is too!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Miss R on July 28, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
Here's the latest piece of news on the Wiwcharuk case and a link to the family's website: 

http://www.globalsaskatoon.com/technology/Sisters+pursue+leads+aunt+1962+murder/3077699/story.html
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on July 29, 2010, 12:56:51 AM
Wow!  I just went to the link and watched the video, I am so anxious to see what happens here, sounds like it is down to 6 suspects.  Baba Donya, I am sure I can speak for alot of members here when I say are thoughts and hopes are with you and your family, we are cheering you toward justice.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on July 29, 2010, 12:57:41 AM
oops our not are thoughts...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 30, 2010, 12:30:19 AM
Thank You Miss R, for your post, and sharing the link!

Thank You Justice, it is coming, and I and my family,  appreciate all of the support from the members.   

I am hoping and praying that the archives in Saskatchewan received no damage in their vaults, after all of the rain.   ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on July 30, 2010, 02:18:05 AM
Baba, so happy for you and your family, that you will soon have justice.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 31, 2010, 12:23:27 AM
Thanks, SAP! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 02, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
Tonight, for some reason, I am really really missing Auntie Alexandria.. :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 02, 2010, 09:51:04 AM
that time of year Baba .... painful memories are like old wounds; they seem to reopen under the same conditions.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 03, 2010, 12:27:14 AM
Better today, and back on track!!!

Heard some good news!

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on August 03, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
I can't wait until we can also know your good news, thinking about you, your Auntie and your family.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 04, 2010, 12:45:02 AM
Thank You Justice...all in good time.  All in good time!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 04, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
Baba, sure hope that you are just about to the top of the mountain and that seeking justice for Alexandra is at an end. We pray and hope that the violent person that killed Alexandra will face the full extent of the law. My hopes and prayers are with you and the family. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 04, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
Thank you so much Cape! We are nearing the time! I can't wait, either! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 22, 2010, 10:45:27 PM
Baba Donya: I believe Alexandria's case was featured on either on The Fifth estate or was it W-5?  It too was about a nurse in Saskatoon, and it featured I believe 3 sisters who were determined to find the killer of their Aunt.  Would this be you?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 24, 2010, 12:27:43 AM
Yes, Jellybean, but there are four sisters.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 24, 2010, 12:37:53 PM
Baba:  Yes, there were four sisters.  Three were on the program.  I lived in Saskatoon in the 70's.  It was such a lovely city, and no one questioned their safety, at least when we were living there. How tragic.  I must take the time, Baba, and read the whole thread. Through the efforts and the prodding  of the four of you, this eventually may be solved.    Well it should be.   This is a cold case, and I sincerely hope that you are getting co-operation from LE.  Hopefully LE in Saskatoon are far more sophisticated than they were back then.  Saskatoon, was during that time period, a laid back University small city, and I don't believe they had the skill set to solve such a horrendous crime.  It was way above their heads.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 25, 2010, 01:55:34 AM
Yes, Jellybean, on the program it did only show three of the sisters, but the fourth was mentioned. But that is neither here nor there, now.

The important thing that you bring back to attention, is that the LE at the time did not have the skills to solve this crime...YOU ARE VERY CORRECT. Also the arrogance of the Chief of Police at the time, did not help this case. He made the decision to not accept outside help on this case. Why??? Was it only arrogance...It will come out in the wash, I kid you not.,,.but it will have to wait right now.

There is information about this certain Chief of Police, and his antics at the time....several sites/blogs.

The truth is just around the bend....sort to speak!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 25, 2010, 12:41:03 PM
Baba Donya  Saskatoon was a small city at that  time.  Anyone in authority was a God.  Especially a POLICE CHIEF.  Few if any would question his authority, conclusions etc.  Arrogance in not requesting assistance to solve a crime is too often it's downfall. Keep up your great work.  Bless you and your sisters.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 26, 2010, 11:32:03 PM
Thanks Jellybean.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 04, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
A big Thank You to J.O.  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 16, 2010, 12:07:38 AM
Something very precious has been returned to the family. Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! May God Bless You! This will help so much!!! ;D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on September 16, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
Baba, I am so excited so for your family and so filled with suspense, will there be word soon, thinking of you and your family.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on September 16, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Good to hear!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 18, 2010, 12:19:09 AM
I can't wait to see the house fall down!!!

One thing that is a real shame...is how this case has been summized as...

"I hear nothing"
"I see nothing"
"I say nothing"

Well not anymore!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 18, 2010, 12:30:06 AM
Thanks Justice and Chris!

What is shocking is that not much has changed since 1962, except SCIENCE.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: justice on September 18, 2010, 11:08:28 AM
I am going to hope we are talking DNA, oh I am so happy for you regardless.  So many cases have touched many of our hearts, but I find this is one that I think of all the time.  I am sure your dear Auntie, is feeling peace and smiling down at her wonderful family with pride and thanks.   
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 19, 2010, 12:55:50 AM
Thank You!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 03, 2010, 11:28:47 PM
Something new...is looming around the corner!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on October 03, 2010, 11:54:32 PM
You know we are all so waiting with baited breath!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 05, 2010, 12:03:34 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on October 05, 2010, 08:24:10 AM
Cannot wait to hear!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: saskguy on October 26, 2010, 09:21:28 PM
I remember reading about this case once before.  I have read this entire thread, and it is very intriguing, I sure hope it gets solved and the whole story, whatever it is, can come out. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 26, 2010, 11:04:24 PM
Thank you Sask Guy and it will! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on October 26, 2010, 11:32:59 PM
I've spent a bit of time refreshing my memory on this thread over the last few days. In doing so I realized that there are a few links posted here that have pictures of Alexandra, but there is not one picture of her posted. Thought it was a little over due.....

The first is Alexandra as a little girl, and of course the second is Alexandra as young lady.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: solvy on October 26, 2010, 11:43:20 PM
She is quite a beauty, in both photo's.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 28, 2010, 12:55:32 AM
Thank you Deb!!!

She was such a cutie patutie when she was little. Yet, so beautiful as a young woman,  who was ready to take on the world!

She had such energy, and was full of life!

For sure an Auntie Alexandria was an earthly angel!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 28, 2010, 12:59:27 AM
Solvy, seeing her, looking at her, I never get tired doing it. She was so comforting to be with. She was the sunshine in so many people's lives.

She is so truly missed! :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 02, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
prairie; the soil where Alex was actually "covered over" more than "buried" was already disturbed - tree roots cut, rocks dislodged, etc ....probably why he was able to beat her head in with a rock!  Don't you find it strange that bloody rock wasn't recovered?  The whole case stinks in my opinion.

It smell highly of some cop's, local politician's, doctor's, lawyer's, or businessman's son or relative ..... if not one of the above themselves.  Probably some spoiled local yuppidy punk and a friend or two, cruising the drag in a convertible or splashy little rig - that always had their eye/s on Alex - but due to ethnic bias and/or community status, could never get to "have her" any other way but this.  That's my opinion and I have to stick with it.  Why else would these keystone cops deliberately cover up the whole thing?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 02, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
Prairie; the police have not been a bit "forthcoming" regarding this case.  I know that from people out there.  Alex was covered over with loose soil, leaves, etc.... in a spot that was either indented naturally, or by the heavy equipment working there at the time.  However, she was so blungeoned, that she couldn't help herself.  There was enough soil on top of her, combined with the fact that she could barely move! - had she been unhurt, she probably could have unearth herself; however, she tried to the point that her hand was stuck out ... exposed.  That is what the boy's noticed if I'm not mistaken.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 01:18:28 PM
I did not have a chance to read the whole thread yet, but there is something that caught my eye. I believe I read that the face was disfigured beyond recognition. This does not sound like your typical sexual assault case. It sounds more like the work of a jealous woman in a rage (as it can be viewed as an assault on Alexandra's beauty). Perhaps Alexandra was having a liaison with a married man, and the wife caught them in flagrante, and in a rage picked up a rock and carried out the brutal act. (Of course, if there are signs of very recent sexual contact on a brutally murdered victim, the coroner may deduct that it was as a result of rape.) Now if the man in question was someone of influence, he would have every reason to cover this up to avoid scandal, even helping his wife bury the victim. As for the rock not being found, this crime happened on a river bank. If the rock was thrown into the river, by the time the body was found, it would have been washed clean of any evidence.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
very valid points holmes.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
   Another possibility would be a man of cloth or church elder, who, overcome with guilt, destroys the face of the "Jezabel who led him astray", as he would think, because in his twisted mind it would not be his own fault. The jealous woman theory is a lot more plausible, though, in my opinion.
   I believe that what was done to the face is very symbolic, and it may hold the key to the identity of the perpetrator.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 02:26:17 PM
I, myself, suspect he grabbed her and drug her to that little indented spot, just barely in the trees (for privacy).  However, he had tackled a girl who wouldn't go down so easily.  I'll bet she clawed his face plenty; ...make a bet more than one person asked him what happened to his face!!!  So he must have had to keep a low profile for about a week... and have a cover story like getting a branch in the face while walking through the woods, or trimming a high tree or something.  If he had her pinned down, while she was clawing his face, he would take the nearest boulder, and hit her where it would stop her.

Of course, the mad wife or girlfriend is also a likely theory.  Usually when someone walks to a secluded place and sits there alone for a period of time, they are meeting someone, or else have something bothering them.  Thus far, I suspected maybe somebody from the construction crew happened by and couldn't resist the opportunity. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 02:57:40 PM
I know prairie;  most of them would be, aside for anyone who has to monitor the site (as they have equipment and a supplies shack) for vandalism.  .... then too, somebody might have gone in around or after sundown Friday night, to gather up something they hid for themselves on the last shift.... tools, motor oil, gasoline, or a 40 oz. -er for the weekend.  One thing for sure is that there are self-indulging thieves on every construction job.

Here's a wicked theory from a self-prclaimed researcher on Masonic crimes in Sask.
http://sasktruthwatch.net/Aug.-18-10-Saskatoon-SK-Murdered-Young-Nurses-&-Same-City-Sanford-Clark-CA-Chicken-Coop-Murders.html
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 06:05:52 PM
I did used to know what side it was on prairie; now I forget.  I'll go find the pictures of the crime scene.  oops.... can only find the exact spot!  ...however, I will dig again, and try to find the site at that time (with the bridge etc.)

I've just updated to add a pic of the "wier"... hope Baba doesn't mind.... these are from Alex's net site.
http://www.alexandrawiwcharuk.net/newspaper.html




Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 06:33:29 PM
I hope anybody here from Sask. will go to the above site and look at the funeral picture.  Anybody over 50 should remember this with a heavy heart.  Rocognize anybody in this photo?  I sit here and wonder if the sicko was in attendance here.  Probably not.... too many scratches on his face.  I'll wager his father or uncle or brother or friend was though..... if indeed it was someone known to Alex. 

They would be there snooping... listening and watching... wondering if he should get out of Dodge!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 03, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
I am still wondering if this was a high profile person that was having a slight affair with Alexandra, a crush on her as such. Maybe she agreed to meet him and things went west. If she planned to meet him knowing he was married, he may have expected sexual favors and that is not what she was up for. Things got out of hand and it ended up with Alexandra being murdered in a very violent crime. Somehow or other, I believe this murder happened very quickly and the person wanted to exit very quickly, because Alexandra was not dead when he left her there. If only people could go back in time to the night Alexandra was murdered. Did anyone come home with blood on their clothing? Did anyone come home full of anxiety? Did they come home and start washing clothing late in the night? Someone is keeping a secret to this day about this case, because I feel that more then one person knows who killed Alexandra. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 07:11:15 PM
I agree 100% cape; someone... maybe a few, have been guarding this secret since 1962.  Imagine the amount of blood on this person's clothes.... you don't sneak in anywhere, this early in the night without being seen either bloody or naked!  You would think that by now, these people had enough of this causing them ulcers for 49 yrs. 

Give it up you people in Saskatoon; come out with it!  Suppose this person does go to prison.  Well it's a heck of a lot better than a senior's care facility.  ....which they would be old enough for now.  Then maybe you people could sleep at night, without fearing the ravages of hell (which is your next stop) for being part of this all these years.... knowing her loved ones have suffered heartache and sleeplessness for almost 50 yrs.  If there's an ounce of courage or conscience left deep down inside you, you will come forward and end this horror once and for all.

Think back to that night Saskatchewan;  did somebody phone home from a phone booth?.... did somebody (hubby) or (Mom) or your (brother or sister) get a phone call that night, and have to leave in a hurry - to help "so and so" with a stalled car or flat tire?.... maybe pick up "so and so" that needs a ride?????  The answer is close by.  Wake up everyone.  Let's help Alexandra find rest and piece ... or from this day forward, may she haunt you forever.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 03, 2011, 07:35:33 PM
Yes, Lost, there is someone that knows and has been keeping a deep dark secret for many years and I am with you, give it up whoever you are and bring peace to your soul and also Alexandra and all of her family members that are still living. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
The more I continue to read up on this crime, the more I agree that there was a cover-up here. There is absolutely no way (not now, certainly not in 1962!) that the time of death could have been established with such exactitude after so many days in the ground. I believe this time was given to provide an alibi for somebody involved. I am still leaning toward the theory that a jealous wife committed the brutal attack after catching her husband there. The man was of some importance,  and he probably knew the police chief and the coroner from the Lodge. This theory would also explain the burial. Why not just throw the body in the river? Burial was the "decent" thing to do for somebody he cared for. Could he have been a doctor in the hospital?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 03, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
whoever it/they was/were holmes, he/she hasn't got enough decency to take to their grave.... I pity their souls. 

....you have a good head on your shoulders holmes.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 04, 2011, 12:54:30 PM
prairie; the guys fishing were young boys.  They would have left by the time darkness fell, if not before.  They were on the other side of the bridge.  The construction I refer to was on the land.  Infastructure developement... heavy equipment work.  The contractor had a temporary shack on site.  Even though it was only the sixties; I think Alex would have had an awful lot of skin under her nails; from what I know she was pretty sparky, and would not be taken down easily.  She would also be very choosy and conservative about the company she kept. 

I find it all too convenient that the DNA police kept on file was ruined... and the DNA the hospital kept secure was lost when the hospital burned.  I think by 1962, any old country doctor even, would be advanced enough to find an excessive amount of skin and blood under her fingernails.  It is all just too convenient.  ....small town cover-up is what it reeks of.  A small town doctor having autopsy results dictated to him.  I can't see it any other way.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 04, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
prairie; there was a bridge nearby the Weir.  It crosses the river ... it was a railway bridge.  At the base of the bridge, there are two sides... I'm not sure if you would call that north and south... or east and west.... I forget the direction.  Let's just say I'm standing at the base of the bridge on one side..... big stone base.... and the boys are on the otherside of it;  I can see them; they can see me.  There's no "across the river." 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 04, 2011, 07:39:38 PM
Sherlock, I had mentioned way back on this thread early on that I thought that Alexandra may have had some kind of an agreement to meet a doctor or someone in a high profile position. I still feel that this possibly could be the case, someone in that may have been stringing her a line. I really don't think it was a woman that committed this crime. I do believe it was someone she was meeting and things got out of hand, she did not want the advances and they possibly expected more from Alexandra then she had in mind. Things got out of hand and violent very quickly and I believe that is what happened. But somebody knows, because the person would be full of mud and blood, besides they would be very anxious and possibly shaking. I believe there was a coverup, because too much has disappeared in the way of evidence. This had to be one of the worst things that could happen at that time in Saskatoon. The murderer should have been caught many years ago and I believe there was a cover up. It could very well have been a doctor. Every person that worked with Alexandra should have been checked out for their alibi that night. SOMEBODY KNOWS AND TURN YOURSELF IN, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, GIVE IT UP TO THE POLICE AND FEEL PEACE WITHIN YOURSELF AND BRING PEACE TO ALEXANDRA'S FAMILY. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 04, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
Quote
Judging from the skin found under her fingernails, police believed she put up a ferocious battle for her life.

       By
Dave Yanko
     of The
StarPhoenix

This quote is from a newspaper article on Alexandra  ....sorry, out of respect, I don't want to copy it without Baba's permission.  I can't reach her at the moment.

modified to correct a spelling error.  and to add:  this is/was "an exact quote" aside from mis-spelling the word "ferocious".  ...as I stated, I did not want to "copy"/paste it... therefore I just repeated it from memory.  guess I should use spell check every time.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 05, 2011, 12:16:04 AM
Aye, I just read some of the old newspaper articles. I reckon the only part of my theory that is still valid is that such an exact time of death was given in order to provide an alibi to someone protected. Did anyone suffer an accident with, say, broken glass, an hour after the time of death given?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 05, 2011, 07:11:10 AM
exactly holmes .
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 05, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
The difference between giving an exact time such as, say, 10 PM, as opposed to a range such as, say, 9.30 to 11 PM, may be enough to rule out a suspect who does not have an alibi for the entire evening.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 05, 2011, 11:32:01 AM
Sherlock, there could be a mistake in the time of death. There is a possibility that the time of death was not correct. I watched show on Dateline this week related to a cold case that was not solved for 27 years, the husband was the person who killed his wife. He had picked his children up that morning, but went back inside the house, killed her in a violent confrontation. He quietly drove away taking his children to a birthday party, that was a good alibi for him that day. But the medical examiner had been wrong about the time of death and years later had retracted what he said. It took 27 years, but they got him and he is serving a life sentence now. So the same thing could have happened with Alexandra, maybe that should be look at again. Also, everyone that is alive today that was interviewed on this case should be interviewed again. I know that there has been a lot of work done according to Baba. I thought by now there'd be an arrest or at least a POI that the police had. I just cannot understand why this case was not solved. I believe there was a coverup, definitely, I do believe somebody was paid off. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 05, 2011, 11:38:30 AM
Not necessarily a pay-off, Capeheart, it could be just looking after a fellow Lodge member, or the son of one...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 05, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean, buddy-buddy. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 07, 2011, 11:02:42 PM
HELLO EVERYONE!!!

Been awhile, I know...time to catch up...

Hmmmm....

HELLO LOST!!!

Prairiechicken...what prairie are you from? Are you anywhere close to where Saskatoon is? Seems to me Saskatchewan has been a flat province for a LONG LONG time...So, 9:00ish would not be very late, for a woman her age to go for a walk. The street light was lit, that night!

Googling is nice, to show you proximaty...but, you have to be there, and I mean standing on the spot to realize, alot more people saw alot more than ever was claimed.

Some day Prairiechicken, you should go there, and try to reflect what went on...

Never rule out anything!!! Unless you have proof, and good proof...the police angle will never be overlooked!

Today's standards...it is very simple...

and prairie chicken why eliminate the authorities do you know something?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 07, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
wow, Sherlock very intuitive...we should talk!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 12:24:02 AM
Cape..hi...

Got a question..."Doc" ? ? ?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 12:42:54 AM
My apologies Prairiechicken...just realized you have been close to the site...but not on it.

Well, at that time...since I grew up in the area...I can let you know that it was not as forested as it is now. Look at the photos...

Again many of us used to go to the weir...it was the peaceful part of Saskatoon...it was a place of solice...not partying.

It was very popular, as it is today...

I think the area should be renamed after my Auntie actually!

Saskatoon was forever changed, from that night, and so was my family!

COVERUP you BETCHA...let us not be naive!!!








Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 08, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
wow, Sherlock very intuitive...we should talk!
By all means!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 08, 2011, 04:58:53 PM
Baba, nice to see you back. Yeah, I was thinking someone she worked with could have arranged to meet her. Had a crush on her or someone that was well known in a high position. The son of a high profile person or someone in a high profile position. And a coverup, yeah, something smells about the whole thing. The murder of Alexandra had to be the biggest case to ever hit Saskatoon and why wasn't it solved????? Every police officer and every RCMP office, I bet, was involved in that case. So somebody knows who committed this crime, I truly believe they do. We have commented many times, but we won't go away and I know you won't either. Justice has to be done for Alexandra. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
Prairiechicken...google the Chief of Police...at the time...His refusal..FLAT OUT REFUSAL...to accept help from TPD (who at the time had way may experience in this type of crime, then Saskatoon)..Start there. Also his attitude..start there! Start from the top..then work your way down...Nearly, everyone there had something to hide....nearlly everyone!!! The honest ones, were shut down, and fast!

She just wasn't.... just a Ukrainian girl!

Prairiechicken.....beside myself and my family, many members on this site have investigated alot more into this crime...they have invested alot of time, and they can usually sniff out a rouse pretty quick. It would be pretty naive of us to post what we really know! Wouldn't you think? Do the police share with the public their strategies in solving a crime, and how much vested time, and answers have been accumulated? NO they don't...

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
Sherlock...the lodge members...how much do you know?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 08:40:25 PM
Hi Cape..(hugs)..I know been away too too long!

There was more than one doctor in the city involved with a lot of horrible deeds to nurses..at that time.

It amazes me, what happened to so many young nurses who moved to Saskatoon to get work. Their naiveness, got them into pickles many are ashamed to talk about to this day! There was a sicko in a big black car, there was the sicko who would take pictures of nurses during physicals, there is a sicko who was an optometrist...the list goes on and on...Yes, Cape the doctor is a very good angle.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
Someone suggested a jealous spouse??? Sheeeeeesh, I think she knew better than that!!! If it was a jealous woman, she was jealous because she wasn't my Auntie. My Auntie was very popular, and she was popular because of her inner beauty along with her outer beauty.

But, don't get me wrong...there is a female involved...this perp or accessory to the crime was more like the WITCH in Snow White. This woman knows the truth, someday she will tell!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 08, 2011, 08:55:05 PM
Sherlock...the lodge members...how much do you know?
Educated guess based on knowledge of the way things work in England. In those days police promotions depended on membership...Members of many other professional bodies were likewise helped in their careers by the knowledge of the secret handshake...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 08, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
Sherlock..

Oh it continues today...they even troll the schools looking for new prey!

An elite club...that does continue to have connections to the legal systems of this country!

Like Edgar Alan Poe, it will all come crashing down some day!

When that day happens...the bodies they have accumulated will be revealed!  The skeletons they have hidden behind walls, will be found!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 10, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
Who's going to Saskatoonie...PM me.

Thx
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 11, 2011, 02:26:58 AM
Detective work is like peeling an onion.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 11, 2011, 11:24:01 AM
Aye, and the more layers you peel off, the more it stinks...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 12, 2011, 12:03:18 AM
Sherlock..how unbelievably true!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 29, 2011, 11:11:06 PM
The body is the proof.

It tells the story!!!

From the beginning....

During....

And the Ending...

What does Auntie Alexandria's body tell us???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 04, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
Thank you S....see you soon!!!

 ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 03, 2011, 01:47:01 PM
Roses are Red...
Violets are Blue...
The days are getting closer...
To catching ...YOU!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: solvy on May 03, 2011, 04:01:34 PM


Nice Baba very nice.  Things must be moving along. I wish you well
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 04, 2011, 01:48:23 AM
Hey Solvy, cute pic!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 04, 2011, 01:51:09 AM
btw...Thank you Solvy!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 04, 2011, 01:55:58 AM
Thank You Mark, for all you have done for us!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 10, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Wow nearly had withdrawal, the site being down so long...

Glad to see it is up and running...

Spring is here
Guiding our drive
We have never lost faith
Our endurance will forever stay alive!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 12, 2011, 10:50:55 AM
The anniversary is near.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 12, 2011, 11:11:52 AM
We're all waiting for the day we can celebrate, the day someone is named responsible for Alexandra's horrible death. We are waiting and watching. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 12, 2011, 01:46:00 PM
Thanks, Cape.

Just so pleased with the help I have gotten lately!!!

Totally AWESOME!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 16, 2011, 09:11:46 PM
Thanks D for sending me that stuff.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 19, 2011, 11:47:02 PM
As I prepared Auntie Alexandria's grave for blessing, I noticed her picture has chipped even more.

Her anniversary has come and gone.

A day of prayer and reminisce.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 20, 2011, 12:44:41 AM
There are many precious people who have offered their time and talents to help solving my Auntie's murder.

I want to Thank You each and everyone of you. You know who you are!

I appreciate all of you who have made a public contribution, as well as those who work behind the scenes.

This means more to me than I can say!

I cannot explain the JOY from being surrounded by such wonderful people!

We all have our unique paths in life, yet all of our journeys have brought us here.

As we band together, our goal to find out who killed my Auntie will be accomplished.

Without all of you and our shared desire to find the truth, this could not happen!

Thank You so much!


Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 20, 2011, 12:49:31 AM
A Frank Lloyd Wright quote:

I know the price of success, dedication, hard work, and an unremitting devotion to the things you want to see happen.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: pmurray74 on May 20, 2011, 09:15:02 AM
I was born in 1951 in small town Saskatchewan . I never heard of the Alexandra Wiwcharuk story . What a tragedy to have this happen to this wonderfull person . My thoughts and prayers [ Saint Jude + Saint Rita ]  are with all her family and friends that there can be some resolution to this case .
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 20, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
pmurray, Thank you so much for your kind words and prayers.

My Auntie truly knew the joy of being a christian and she remained faithful to the Lord in good times and bad.  God's planning made sure that my Auntie had parents who made sure that she grew up believing in spiritual life.

As she drew her last breath, and the world seemed bleak, she knew her time was short. Through her trust and faith in the Lord, she knew that the Lord was her last beacon of hope, and that the Lord would guide her to the Lord's Kingdom where all the saints reside.

"The end for which we are created invites us to walk a road that is surely sown with alot of thorns, but it is not sad; through even sorrow, it is illuminated by joy." (Bl. Pier Giorgio Frassati)

With the Grace of God, daily prayers, and encouragement by all, it strengthens our resolve to find the answer.

May God Bless You All!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 10:26:49 AM

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Victim+nieces+fire+back+into+cold+case/4800134/story.html

Lynn's idea to put up this bulletin board really ROCKED!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on May 21, 2011, 10:29:35 AM

CTV Saskatoon
Date: Wednesday May. 18, 2011 10:34 AM CST

Saskatoon police have been investigating the murder of nurse Alexandra Wiwcharuk for nearly half a century. While it's still an active case, family members are still doing some investigating of their own. Now, they claim there's new evidence that could solve the decades-old question.

49 years after Wiwcharuk was killed, her nieces are still piecing together the heinous murder. In the last six months, Pattie Storie, Wiwcharuk's niece, has received what she calls crucial evidence.

"This file supports what Alex was conveying to her family and some of her friends at the time - about three to four weeks before her death."

According to Storie and her sister Lorain Phillips, a file was stolen back in the 70's. They received the package anonymously and say it includes valuable information. They received another anonymous package containing photographs that -- until now -- others said did not exist.

"Our investigation has now gone back to the original rumors, and the original suspects on the list at that time," says Phillips.

Today, the list contains only two suspects, both men.

"With all of the information we have gathered there is no way that we are off on the wrong track, we're right on base," says Phillips. "I really hope that the person or persons out there… They should be soon getting a knock on their door."

In fact, with the latest evidence - the sisters are confident the case will be wrapped up by this time next year.

"We really feel like this will be solved by the 50th anniversary," says Storie.

And to commemorate 50 years, the sisters would like to create a memorial site here where their aunt's body was found. They say they'll be in talks with the city to move the idea forward, creating a place where all missing and murdered people can be remembered.

If you have any information regarding the murder of Alexandra Wiwcharuk, you're asked to call 1-866-794-1962.

http://saskatoon.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110517/sas-wiwcharuk-110517/20110517/?hub=Saskatoon (http://saskatoon.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110517/sas-wiwcharuk-110517/20110517/?hub=Saskatoon)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 21, 2011, 11:03:44 AM
That is amazing to come up with the missing file after sooo long!!  Someone in high places wants justice.
Quote
According to Storie and her sister Lorain Phillips, a file was stolen back in the 70's. They received the package anonymously and say it includes valuable information. They received another anonymous package containing photographs that -- until now -- others said did not exist.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 11:15:36 AM
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Sisters+want+memorial+aunt+slain+women/4802018/story.html

With all of our collaboration together, my idea to do a memorial and/or path for our Auntie Alexandria may finally be realized by the people of Saskatoon.

My first suggestion was to name it "Alexandria's Promenade"...does anyone have any other ideas?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on May 21, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
WOW, I'd say amazing too. Baba, your hard work and perseverance, and that of those who helped you is working indeed. Kudos. :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
That was a very good interview Veronica. Your mom would be so proud of you!!!

Just one small detail...four sisters.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
Yes, SAP...my sis Lynn and I were there the week before, doing the behind the scenes work...

Just such wonderful help...it is amazing!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
I think the Star Pheonix, needs to remember there are four sisters...sheesh.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 21, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
Love what you are doing and the progress is amazing. I understand now why you said many months ago that you would have to be quiet and patient as things were unfolding in the background. Auntie has a huge and generous spirit that has not been lost in all those years. I could see her memorial becoming a place of inspiration for many others. Perhaps the "sisters in spirit trail" would even become a place of gathering and healing over time. No matter what the name, Alexandra lives on in spirit and won't ever be forgotten now!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 21, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
No offense Baba... but it would have been nice if Veronica (by the way; who's Veronica?) and Lorriaine had mentioned all the years of digging and footwork you and Lynn have done.  I'm sure you still have the scruff under your nails from all the cleaning up the graves you just finished.  oh well.... "hats off to them for doing the interview anyway".  Some do the pain; some do the fame.  ;)   I remember how you wanted that memorial, so I'm glad they brought it up.  Maybe you'll get your wish Baba. 

You're the best girl!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 09:58:59 PM
Hi Lost,

Where have you been?

Veronica is the reporter for CTV.  She did the televised interview.

I will PM you the rest....

It is a very small world.

Thanks Lost! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2011, 10:04:44 PM
Hi D1, Thank you for the compliment!

SAP, Everyday I work on it..A commitment well worth every minute! Thanks.

Debbie C, Thanks for posting that interview!

As we all band together, we all can be proud we were all part of this investigation!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 21, 2011, 10:08:24 PM
I'm always watching Baba..... and all I've ever seen on here was you keeping the fire lit ..... I just find it strange how some people only show up for the victory.  ....and I must say again: How georgous Alexandra was!!!! What a Beauty! .... and I know that trait runs in the family. 8) 

Oh BTW .... hats off to our fellow sleuths on here too .... they keep the pressure on... and that's what it takes.  ;D


Modifying to explain.... it wasn't anyone on the forum I was referring to .... who always shows up for the victorious moments, but have never contributed to this thread or much else. ... Baba knows what I mean.  Our forum members are THE BEST.... BY FAR!  always here through thick and thin... make no mistake about that.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2011, 01:20:05 AM
Thanks Lost.

Not only was Auntie Alexandria so beautiful on the outside, her nature on the inside was so beautiful, she was like a precious pearl.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2011, 01:39:34 AM
This is from my son...

Beauty is only a fragment of her life that still glows in all of our hearts, forever.

As our prayers and searches continue, she will always be shining in our ray of hope.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on May 24, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Baba, well after all your family's hard work and digging, you caused someone not to sleep at night. Because that is why the file was turned over to you and the photos. This is a great help in your investigation. Do you feel at this time that there was a great coverup in this case??? I definitely feel that way, because no stone should have been left unturned to solve this horrendous crime, at the time. God bless and it's like a story written in so many chapters and I do hope that the final chapter will be written soon. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 24, 2011, 03:37:17 PM
LOL Cape, I am sure there are a few out there, having restless sleeps!

For your question Cape,  ;)

Thank You...I know this is like a novel, isn't it, it is sad it took so long to write it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 24, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
As the final chapter is still being written, and as the question goes-
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Do you feel at this time that there was a great coverup in this case???

We cross our hearts and fingers for you that the spector of a coverup is over, that the truth will finally be known, and justice will prevail!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 24, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
I have to smile...what do you think...D1?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 24, 2011, 08:05:54 PM
With enough pressure, even the toughest nuts crack. Time will tell, do keep us posted!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 24, 2011, 10:08:43 PM
I will!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on May 27, 2011, 10:38:56 PM
I hope we do not have to see the 50th anniversary come and go without knowing who did this. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 27, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
Thanks so much Chris!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 28, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
My family were talking about Alex last evening Baba;  we are so proud of you .... I will surely bet her spirit is beside you all the time .... how could she not be? :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 31, 2011, 09:56:48 AM
Thank You Lost!

I feel she is too!

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 02, 2011, 11:48:43 PM
When one door closes, another one opens!

 ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on July 12, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
"Patience and fortitude conquer all things."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 05, 2011, 12:10:07 PM
Please everyone....I really wish you would ALL pray for  my Auntie Alexandria and our quest this weekend, especially, on Sunday!

If you do not pray, think of my Auntie Alexandria.

Today, tomorrow and Sunday, would be perfect....plus the days ahead.

We will get this solved with the strength of my friends.

Thank you all SO much!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on August 05, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Thoughts and prayers coming for you and your family that you may very soon have the closure you need and that your aunty Alexandra can finally rest in peace. :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on August 05, 2011, 03:58:52 PM
BabaDonya, We definitely will pray for you this whole weekend that answers are forthcomig to Alxandra's family members and that she will finally smile down from the heavens at the work you've done to find her killer. May you rest in peace Alexandra. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 05, 2011, 04:26:47 PM
SAP and CAPE....BIG ((((((HUGS))))))
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2011, 10:16:54 PM
Count on our prayers and concentration toward Alex this weekend Baba.  ...by all means, we feel your loss; and hope Alex is out there somehow guiding us.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 06, 2011, 01:49:36 PM
I am sending strong positive thoughts and prayers to you Baba, your family and to Angel Alexandria. May you find consolation and peace by being together with her spirit this week end.

PEACE
Jellybean
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on August 06, 2011, 02:19:31 PM
Putting the prayer into overdrive. Sending  200 kph prayers, non-stop. Best of luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 06, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
Lost, Jellybean, and Concerned...((((((HUGS)))))) to you all!!!

I knew I could count on alll of you!

I am truly Blessed!

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: me on August 07, 2011, 05:51:22 PM
Alexandra's was one of the first threads I read on this site.  I was struck by the overwhelming rage of the perpetrator and a sense of horror that he was never brought to justice.  I've always wanted to do anything I could to help you, but I had nothing to offer.  But this I can and will most joyfully do for you Baba Donya.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on August 07, 2011, 09:05:03 PM
And like the countless but silent others watching, I will also join in.
I wonder what new obstacles you have encountered as of late, what doors have been "unexpectedly" closed, and which still need opened?

Quote
"Patience and fortitude conquer all things."
 


Is there one singular name that stands out?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 07, 2011, 09:07:40 PM
((((((HUGS)))))) me

I am so overwhelmed by the kindness of all my friends.

Thank you ALL so very much!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 07, 2011, 09:09:09 PM
D1 ((((((HUGS)))))) to you too!!!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on August 07, 2011, 09:44:26 PM
awww.. I have so much respect for family who keep on keeping on long after the official curtain has closed. This little tune from way back then once again reminded me of those times and the words of what you now face. You know it don't come easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZfAik7wP8U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZfAik7wP8U&feature=related)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 07, 2011, 10:15:56 PM
D1...so true...so true.. ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 07, 2011, 11:02:28 PM
D1...thought you would like this one.

Loose lips sink ships.   ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on August 08, 2011, 01:38:36 AM
Ahhh, nuff said!
"Patience and fortitude conquer all things."
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 13, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel.

Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.

-- Niccolo Machiavelli



This was a very interesting quote I found on a Slueth site.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 21, 2011, 11:56:00 PM
Hi Everyone!

I need your help...Does anyone know alot about old vintage vehicles?

Thanks
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on August 23, 2011, 10:27:12 PM
Not really. What is it you need to know? I take photos of them but that is all I know.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 24, 2011, 12:12:13 PM
Thank you everyone for your help!!!

We worked together and found it!

GREAT SLUETHING!!! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 29, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
Thank you ~ Cheerleaders!
 ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 29, 2011, 05:17:31 PM
Baba; I often think of Alexandria and the quest of her nieces to find her killer.  I so admire you and your sisters!! :)

A good Ukranian never gives up!!

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 29, 2011, 06:38:26 PM
JB, Thank you! (Doosha Jiakoyu!)

Your praise and encouragement is so truly appreciated!

 :)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on August 29, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Perhaps some of us can re-visit this thread again, and see what we can come up with? hm?

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on August 29, 2011, 07:59:06 PM
this case is .... yet another! that smells like "old boys" and influence.  Something tells me Sask. reeks as badly as Nova Scotia back then and yet... since they are still in the process of "cover up" as with Clayton's case, June Hibbs case, and many others across the country.  Everybody on this forum knows the many cases on here "born out of desperation to expose truth and corruption".  That is why they are still in limbo. 

Until we manage to tip the scale of "injustice" to the "justice" side, we will be fighting up hill for time to come.  We will, however, persevere!  The cops and politicians from that time should hang their heads in shame... thus step forward TO THE PUBLIC ... convey the truth, the tactics used to stifle facts and sweep these cases under the rug.  It's time the people of Canada pushed them into their own corner.  It seems these cases only break on these guy's "death beds" .... where is is expected .... where such participants of past injustices are closely guarded ...lest such confessions become public.

We had one greasy cop here who did just that... confessed his part in Clayton's murder before going under the knife for kidney cancer.  However, in his own words ... "got lucky! they got all the cancer confined to the one kidney".... next day he recanted his confession; it now remains "a rumour" ... which is strongly denied - even though it swept a Halifax Hospital and also the New Waterford Hospital for at least a day.  ...until the head honchos threatened those "in the know" with their jobs.  This is a rumor I strongly believe.  These hypocrites confess to a clergy, get absolution, and all is well.  .... a "big issue" I have with so called "religion"!  Seems only heathens go to jail around here..... I'd say in Sask. as well.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 30, 2011, 12:09:36 AM
JB...a very wise woman told me...something was missed, from the beginning...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 30, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Lost, My heart goes out to all of the families who became victims, not from just the crimes done to their family members, but to the suffering they have all gone through at the hands of the police unit handling the investigations.

I think the complete file should be relinquished to the families, and let them have a go at it. If the police are contracted to complete a job, and if they cannot it should be given to another police unit ( preferably one that handles those types of cases), and have people with more experience finish the job.

It is like building a house. If the contractor is deficient...do you keep him? Absolutely not!
So, if the police unit is deficient, the families should be entitled to ask another more experienced unit to take over.

I believe in my Auntie's case, Chief Kettles was the King of his Castle, and he did not want any other Police Force to realize how deficient his officers were. Not because they did not want to solve this case, he kept his officers from developing their talents, and exploring their hunches and clues. Thank Goodness his Reign is over! I pray that this is not how the new Chief operates.

In Canada, there should be a specialized unit, just like on Criminal Minds, to solve these unsolved crimes. Wouldn't that be nice.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: raisinpie on August 30, 2011, 12:28:35 PM
I trust that Chief Weighill is very helpful to you.  He had made a commitment to priorise missing persons cases so hoping.......
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 30, 2011, 01:56:21 PM
Raisinpie, I, too, believe in Chief Weighill.

I believe he wants this case solved.

 :)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 02, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
...I haven't posted for awhile...because I have been knee deep in this investigation...

...keep hanging in there...

...and keep us in your prayers and thoughts...

Good things come out of everyone's prayers and good thoughts!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 06, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
I was told today that my Auntie Alexandria loved the month of September,
and it is such a beautiful month to remember.

We will continue to slueth, until we find the truth.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on September 06, 2011, 05:07:11 AM
September is a beautiful month. Hope its THE month for peace for your Auntie. Prayers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on September 06, 2011, 09:58:47 AM
Hope and prayers that your quest is realized very soon, Baba.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 10, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
This last trip was absolutely blessed!

To start, a priest's blessing was our first stop.  Auntie Alexandria was a christian, and this is what she would have wanted.   Every day was immensed in success. We began early, and ended late each day, with so much progression.

I was endless with energy, and it seemed when some times there was a door closed, we were shown how to open another one.  It was absolutely, fantastic.

I think I know why she liked September!

So many thanks to everyone who is helping to make this all come to a close. I can not name you right now, but you know who you are!

I cannot forget Concerned and SAP for your kind words! Thank you!

I get such wonderful thoughts and prayers from my friends here, it keeps me in strength! Thank you all!!!

(((HUGS)))

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: me on September 14, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
Baba Donya, everytime I see Alexandria's thread pop up with a new comment from you, my hear jumps because I'm hoping to read the words that you and your sisters have reached the final goal of solving her murder.  I know it will happen, you'll have your success.  I think you know who, you just can't say yet.

Blessings on you, your family and your mission!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 14, 2011, 09:27:18 PM
Hi me,

I really appreciate your kind words!

It has been going really great as of late. We have been working so hard. We have alot of unsung heroes who are working together on this. At present they have to be left un-named, but they know who they are. I cannot express my gratitude enough!

All the positive energies are helping solve what happened to my Auntie Alexandria, and they are coming from everywhere! Thank you!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on September 20, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
Is it realistic this could be solved before the 50th anniversary?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on September 27, 2011, 10:35:14 PM
Hi Chris, ...Yes!

 8)  As long as we get the answers, I will be happy. There are many reasons why it can be blamed that it was not solved years ago, but today, with science and math it will be solved!  Time was on our side.

I have to keep it under my hat...for now.

 ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on October 15, 2011, 01:07:37 AM
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul.
And sings the tune
Without the words,
and never stops at all.
 
Emily Dickinson
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on November 16, 2011, 01:48:51 PM
....This is to whomever destroyed "Alexandra Wiwcharuks" headstone, you will be caught, you will be punished and you will "ROT IN HELL"!!!....
We are getting closer to you and you better start looking over your shoulder!!! It's coming sooner than you think!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on November 16, 2011, 09:16:26 PM
Sad. Haven't they performed enough damage?  Was this a seasonal prank? Or, do you think it was intentional?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 16, 2011, 09:30:42 PM
I'm guessing it is the result of anger and guilt.  All these years, they thought they were "home free" .... too important to pay the price.  They never dreamed that some day those who love and never forgot Alexandra, would take up the battle, and follow it through. 

They must be getting pretty creeped out at this point!  ....maybe that's a good sign.  We're on their heels Baba .... can't wait!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(  I'd prefer sticks and stones myself, and bury them alive.  Baba you guys are just too decent. 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 08:05:49 PM
http://saskatoon.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111116/sas-wiwcharuk-111116/20111116/?hub=Saskatoon
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on November 17, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
This is very heartbreaking Baba. Small consolation that others have been smashed as well.  This brings further expense to families and further heartache.
Vicious and heartless Vandals. I hope that they are chased by ghosts in their dreams for years to come.

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
Concerned....if it was a seasonal prank, I think there would have been more than four headstones demolished.

Maybe the person wanted to make it look like a prank!

There was a reason why her headstone was chosen, NOT by coincidence!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 08:23:24 PM
JB...we need HUGS...

Thank you! :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on November 17, 2011, 09:13:57 PM
Baba; Warm hugs to you from me. :)

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on November 17, 2011, 09:17:34 PM
Heartbreaking.You worked so hard for that place of peace. Nearly 50 years, if it was someone connected that is a terribly long time to hold a grudge and such hatred. 

so sad.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 09:39:20 PM
Thanks JB...

Hugs back!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 09:47:03 PM
Concerned....there was actually some incidents that happened that went unreported before this happened.

Soon it will be revealed...

But whoever did it, did such a COWARDLY act....

When it was stated that it was not related to her murderer(s)...HOW DO THEY DEFINITIVELY KNOW???

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 17, 2011, 10:15:26 PM
C, whoever killed Alex wouldn't necessarily be carrying a grudge this long.... but they would be trembling in their shoes due to this years quiet tips and progress (not yet public)... and they would also be desperate enough to pull something like this in hopes of scaring off Baba and the girls - imo.
The murderer/s have no reason for a grudge, but Alex's family sure has and as I said, they are far too patient and far too decent.  I would have been spewing all I know by now.  Of course the girls are smart enough, and calm enough, to sneak up on them over time... and make them pay when the time is right.    I wouldn't be so polite. 

....of course when one thinks about it, there is something to be said for "patience".  The slower the wheel turns, the better it is digging in.  I wish I lived close to there for sure.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 10:21:41 PM
Lost...Anger yes...guilt ...the guilty one(s) have no existing conscience. Just another extension of overkill, for a psychopath. Lost maybe the Saskatoon police should hire you!

The case would be solved!!!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 17, 2011, 10:23:48 PM
lol Baba.... we put our time in for sure, didn't we .... and will continue.  Perhaps I'll get out there this late spring??... hope so.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 11:04:24 PM
God gives me strength to have the patience to deal with all the NONSENSE that I have been exposed to while investigating this case.

The lies and deceit and LACK of intelligence and IGNORANCE to say the least...has hindered this case from the beginning, and they are the same problems we are faced with today.

I remembered when we moved to Alberta from Saskatoon in 1970, the joke was how backwards and behind the province of Saskatchewan was. The conduct and the lack of asking or sending evidence to other countries for DNA breakdown, is a repitition of the past..is it not?

Why wouldn't law enforcement from any area in Canada, not use whatever resources are available from around the world, to resolve any case. Especially when the family is willing to pay for it!!! What are they afraid will happen???? What are they really afraid of? Why does Saskatoon still want to stand out as being behind in times? Alot of questions, but there will never be any honest answers!

Again, LIES and DECEIT, sounds like a drama series....Although this has been a long drawn out drama...has it not...GIS???

 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 17, 2011, 11:06:07 PM
Lost...this spring it is!!!

Can't wait!  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 18, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
Now who took it???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 18, 2011, 11:28:01 PM
Took what Baba? ::)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 19, 2011, 03:34:14 AM
Lost someone took the top part of the Orthodox Cross that was smashed off of her headstone. I have phoned around, and no one seems to know where it has disappeared to.

Unbelieveable!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on November 19, 2011, 09:23:40 AM
.....perhaps, Baba, they had to bring back proof they did the job.  Or else, if it is just messed up kids who are obsessed with hitting, marking, damaging anything that can't fight back, and is worth more than they are, -  they may have taken it to throw through a window or something... or just as a trophy for a few hours until their "fickle and disturbed" mind turns to something else to prove they're big, and cool! 

You have to realized that those "below average" losers don't need a reason to do these things; they just do it because it's easy, and it makes them feel "tough".  Yeah they're real tough .....  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 19, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Found it....not lost.

All is well!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on November 29, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
I wonder who really is obstructing justice?

Justice for my Auntie Alexandria...

Maybe the fox will smell it's own hole!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 20, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Cheslevoho Hovho Roku!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

50th Anniversary is coming up!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on January 22, 2012, 05:57:51 PM
Lost someone took the top part of the Orthodox Cross that was smashed off of her headstone. I have phoned around, and no one seems to know where it has disappeared to.

Unbelieveable!
Really, what in the heck is that all about. Oh, that would be upsetting. I have no read here for a while, because I was hoping there would be great news and that a suspect would be named. 

Happy New Yeare to you also, Baba. God bless and I hope that answers come in 2012.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on January 23, 2012, 12:47:02 AM
Hi Cape,

Yes, that is what happened...A shameful act!

Hope the police take the DNA off of the piece knocked off! Since science is advanced enough to take DNA off a rock, and break it down to find a perp or suspect!

How sad For us, because we have to pay for the damage, again she is violated!

COINCIDENCE???
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on January 29, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
This is the thread that brought me to this site in the first place.

I have known about this case for a long time before moving to Saskatoon. My husband's family who is from Saskatoon had a family member working for the fire department at this time. He told us who he thought did it and why, and this story (rumour) has been carried through his family since in hopes that they can finally see justice for Alex.

As for myself, I am a long time cemetery lurker and have been since a child. I visit her grave often and had recently smudged it after I heard that some vile creature broke the top of her Ukraine cross (a sacred and powerful symbol I would never mess with). I did it in hopes that it would help calm not only her spirit but the spirits of her loved ones.

Being the 50th year. I know we will all see justice and that Alex's spirit and her family will finally be able to rest.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 01, 2012, 10:00:00 PM
Expecting Rain, Thank You and we will.

Would you like to PM me...and we can talk?


Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on February 01, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
After reading through this thread I think his family and the theories that have been thrown around here are the same. I always have suspected that this whole thing has been a cover-up to protect someone(s). I mean, I am only a "pup" as I am the same age as Alexandra was when she was brutally murdered.

I think everyone here is on the right track but I can definitely PM you with who his family thinks it was/could be, even if it is only a family rumour.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 01, 2012, 10:55:58 PM
Please do, expecting rain.

What some people think as insignificant, may be very significant.

There is a reason...just pm me when you can.

Thanks
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on February 04, 2012, 09:57:00 AM
I know there has been talk about getting a memorial put up for the missing/murdered people in Saskatoon in honour of Alexandra. Has there been any progress on this? I know it is hard sometimes to get the Saskatoon city council to listen but I was wondering if someone has approached the Canadian Ukrainian Museum? They would be a good backer to this sort of thing and maybe be able to help get the city's attention.

Also writing letters to predominant Ukrainian Canadians could be helpful as well in getting their support for this. These are all ideas, but it would be nice to have a quiet place to not only to reflect on Alexandra but all the other people who have disappeared from this life in tragic/unknown circumstances.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 04, 2012, 11:19:03 AM
Thanks for the ideas, expecting rain.

My baba's ukrainian wedding cake (korovai), and her ukrainian wedding dress were already donated to the Ukrainian museum.

Those are great ideas, the long hope of having a memorial was an idea of mine, and a hope of mine, as expressed by my sisters last spring. I think that a memorial, a place to reflect, and a place of quiet would be so wonderful of a tribute.  All the families in Saskatoon, who had a family member taken away so tragically, deserve this!

Thanks for the ideas.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 01, 2012, 06:31:02 PM
Dare to think outside of the box!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: JohnnyCash on March 11, 2012, 11:48:59 AM
Girl In Saskatoon
I left a little town, a little south of Hudson Bay;
I couldn't find a thing to make a rounder want to stay.
I fought the wind across the baren waste in the crystal dunes,
Going forth to marry the girl in Saskatoon.
I'm glad I realized that no one could take her place;
My heart was beating for her like the weather beat my face.
But knowing that I'd see her made my spirit bright as June,
I'm freezing, but I'm burning for the girl in Saskatoon.
South and west and following the cold December sun,
I bedded down in the caragana when my daily trek was done.
Then up and pressing onward by the light of the morning sun,
A prodigal returning to the girl in Saskatoon.
Then I found the trail that had packed beneath the snow,
I made the final miles where the prairie lilies grow.
A steeple on a church christened by a prairie moon,
I'm freezing, but I'm burning for the girl in Saskatoon
But my journey was forgotten, when I held her in my arms,
My wonderlust was stifled by possesion of her charms.
And kneeling neath the steeple where we couldn't wait till June,
I found eternal spring with the girl in Saskatoon.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on March 12, 2012, 12:43:24 AM
That's the song her wrote about her?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on March 12, 2012, 10:55:47 AM
Yes, that was the song that was sung to her when she won that contest.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on March 12, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjKMF_WUgqc

Just my opinion of course, however, I think he could have chosen better words than those of a drifter to a lady.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
A source told us he was at a rehearsal when he got the horrible news. :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
Everyone please take time to pray for my mom, Auntie Alexandria's sister. She suffered a stroke, and is in surgery.

Please pray for healing and wisdom for the doctors. We need to keep her healthy and strong, until we come forward!!!

So she can be here when it happens!

Thanks so much!!!

Hugs to you all for your great support!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on March 22, 2012, 01:20:39 PM
Baba, prayers and good thoughts coming your way and for your mother, and for all those involved in your mother's care. Take care.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 01:50:12 PM
Thanks so much SAP!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 02:13:44 PM
BTW SAP...that was really eerie when we realized he had published another song after her death. Too much of a coincidence with the detail in that song. Too strangely eerie!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on March 22, 2012, 02:28:16 PM
I only knew of the one song. Which other one did he sing?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: rainstorm on March 22, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
First time reading about this case. I bet there are old cases like this out there never in public eye. Its too bad that they aren't out in the open for us to look at,think about and well try to solve.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
SAP ...I will. Look for it...be prepared...it's a shocker...
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 06:58:54 PM
Yes, rainstorm, digging we found a lot!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on March 22, 2012, 07:53:51 PM
Prayers being sent your family's way Baba Donya.  Warmth thought and strength.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
Thank you so much Concerned!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on March 22, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Positive thoughts and good fortune being sent to your family from me.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Thank you expecting rain!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 22, 2012, 09:37:04 PM
SAP...let's start with 'Delia's Gone"  1962
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on March 23, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
Actually Delia's Gone is about this murder in the states, although I can see how it can be viewed as being about Alex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delia_Green
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on March 23, 2012, 08:59:19 AM
Baba it was written/sang in 1962 and it is eery and creepy. It doesn't sit well with me, the lyrics that is. So much one can sing about that is not so dark.
I understand what you are meaning though.

Daily thoughts and prayers for your mom and all of you.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 23, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
316 lit candles (Light a candle)

Thank you for all your prayers and kind thoughts, she is not out of the woods yet!  :'(
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on March 23, 2012, 09:06:08 AM
SAP and expecting rain, when you watch him sing it....he is actually happy.

He may be high on something....???

Who would be happy to sing about murdering a woman, and to describe how he does it in such detail, not a tear in his eye!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on March 23, 2012, 09:09:49 AM
He was probably high, Baba. He was a heavy drug user especially in the 60s. He battle depression and PTSD for the majority of his life.

Have you ever read about what happened to his brother, Jack? That event was a huge influence on him throughout his life and he never got over it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: rainstorm on March 23, 2012, 08:54:19 PM
K so i just listened on youtube wow it is quite errie, he was high
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 12, 2012, 10:54:37 AM
Thank you for your prayers... my Mom is home.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on April 12, 2012, 08:04:11 PM
That is wonderful news BD! 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: rainstorm on April 16, 2012, 03:07:21 PM
Wow, that is great:)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 22, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Thanks Concerned and Rainstorm! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 22, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Now back to the task at hand!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 23, 2012, 10:15:11 AM
Through diligent work from a sister sleuth on this site, we have an awesome lead!

Big Hugs!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on April 23, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Sisters+plan+vigil+murdered+aunt/6501474/story.html

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Fifty years after an unknown person murdered Saskatoon nurse Alexandra Wiwcharuk, her nieces are more optimistic than ever that they'll catch the killer.

"Last week we obtained some scary information," said Patty Storie, who has with her sisters been investigating their aunt's death for years. "It stopped us in our tracks."

The sisters say, cryptically, that this information could be the link they need to connect evidence and stories they've gathered about suspects.

The timing couldn't be better, 50 years after Wiwcharuk's disappearance.

This May 18 is the 50th anniversary of the day Wiwcharuk went missing after an evening walk in the city. The 23-year-old was found dead in a shallow grave on the west riverbank two weeks after she disappeared.

The family is planning an evening candlelight vigil at the riverbank on May 18, followed the next day with a church and gravesite service. They plan to sing some of their aunt's favourite songs, including Roses Are Red (My Love).

"Half a century has gone by and we want to keep Alex's memory alive," Storie said in a phone interview.

"We want to solve this murder. It's been too long."

The memorial is another chance for people to come forward and talk about Wiwcharuk and the murder investigation, Storie said. It will also serve as a memorial for all the murdered and missing women in Saskatoon.

"Alex is not the only victim," Storie said. "Others have lost loved ones. They should be remembered, too. They should be honoured. There are many unsolved crimes toward women and we want to remember them all."

A planned monument for Wiwcharuk at the murder scene will also honour other women. The concept is to have the names of missing and murdered women from Saskatoon engraved on the riverbank monument.

The sisters have long believed the suspect still resides in or near Saskatoon. They're in regular contact with the Saskatoon police historical crimes unit, which the sisters say is an important relationship. The amateur sleuths make regular visits to Saskatoon and usually bring evidence they hope will be the case's big break.

"With our mother's illness, she is the driving force behind the urgency," Storie's sister Lorain Phillips said. "She wants to find out what happened to her baby sister."

Wiwcharuk's headstone at the Woodlawn grave site was vandalized last spring and the sisters are hoping to get a replacement while they're in the city next month. The family has also set up a memorial fund to help the investigation and support organizations that work with families of missing and murdered women.

More information can be found at www.justiceforalex.com. The vigil is planned for 8 p.m. on May 18 near the weir.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 23, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
You are all invited...let us make it go viral!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 24, 2012, 02:45:53 AM
Now look at this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALSKcWcVEk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

(I hope this works)

The Long Black Veil
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SAP on April 24, 2012, 08:48:58 AM
I didn't know Joni was originally from Saskatchewan! She actually should have been the lead in this song. Her voice is amazing.

Baba, your time in Saskatoon is nigh. I understand that this is to be a larger gathering than ever before ... will plainclothes police be there as well? The reason I ask is because if the perp is still alive, he may also be there at the edge of the crowd somewhere. It's high time you get some answers.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 24, 2012, 09:31:30 AM
SAP ~  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on April 27, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
 Alexandra Wiwcharuk Memorial

Friday      May 18th, 2012              Candlelight Vigil              8:00 pm            Riverbank at the site
Saturday  May 19th, 2012              Prayer Service               10:00 am           Ukrainian Orthodox Church - 20th Street
Saturday  May 19th, 2012              Blessing of Her Grave     follow                Woodlawn Cemetary

To view more information this week-end go to     www.justiceforalex.com

Everyone is Welcome! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on April 27, 2012, 09:41:32 AM
GIS; I will be there in spirit ... and I won't forget to pray from afar.  Baba's family knows this of me.  Still; wish I could be there to show my respect, and my eagerness to bring Alex's killer to light.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on April 27, 2012, 12:38:29 PM
With the 50th anniversary closing in fast, it is time to turn the bright lights on. I hope this will focus everyone's attention on the task so that it can still be accomplished this year. Wishing you success.
d1
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Chris on April 29, 2012, 12:48:25 AM
50% chance I can make it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 29, 2012, 01:17:48 AM
Thank You Everyone!!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: solvy on April 29, 2012, 01:38:35 PM
My heart & soul will be there Baba!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 30, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
God Bless you Solvy! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on April 30, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
I hope to see you there Chris!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 10, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
Baba, question, Did you guys remove Alex's broken headstone? I usually always look for her head stone when ever I go out to Lawson, and I didn't see it yesterday.

Just curious.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 11, 2012, 04:13:36 PM
She is not buried at Lawson.

She is buried at Woodlawn in Saskatoon.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 11, 2012, 10:22:22 PM
Woodlawn is on the way to lawson (heights).

Sorry for my confusion with my saskslang. hahah. :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 11, 2012, 11:11:50 PM
We will have to check into it.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on May 14, 2012, 09:54:46 AM
Alexandra Wiwcharuk's headstone is in repair right now, it is being repaired for the Memorial, but will have to be replaced in the next few months.
Her picture is being replaced as well, couldn't find a copy of the previous one, so it had to be changed.
More information may be found on....   www.justiceforalex.com     8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 14, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
Hmmm...GIS I think you need to contact me for a copy..
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 14, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
Sweet. Thanks for the info.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on May 16, 2012, 11:43:38 AM
The new Billboard for Alexandra Wiwcharuk was erected Tuesday at, 20th Street and Idylwyld Drive, Saskatoon just before the freeway.
Drive by have a look, she is just beautiful. 8)

CTV morning live @ 6:40 am Friday May 18th, 2012, Alexandra Wiwcharuk!  8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 16, 2012, 05:03:52 PM
Cool. I will have to look next time I am by. Unfortunately I work both Friday evening and all day Saturday otherwise I would be out at all the events. I wish you all strength and my support this weekend.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 18, 2012, 08:16:33 AM
http://www.ckom.com/story/sisters-hold-memorial-aunt-murdered-saskatoon-say-case-almost-solved/57357

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Sisters hold memorial for aunt murdered in Saskatoon, say case is almost solved
Alexandra Wiwcharuk killed fifty years ago

Two sisters believe they have information that will lead to their aunt's killer on the 50th anniversary of the unsolved murder case in Saskatoon.

Alexandra Wiwcharuk vanished on May 18, 1962 after going for a walk before her night shift at City Hospital.

It was the last time anyone would see the 23-year-old nurse. Her body was found two weeks later, buried in a shallow grave near the South Saskatchewan River.

"We do know that Aunt Alexandra would help a child or an injured person," said Patty Storie, one of Wiwcharuk's nieces.

"And we truly believe that it was either a child that called out for help, or it was somebody that needed help, and she was caught off guard," said Lorain Phillips, another of Wiwcharuk's nieces.

Both Storie and Phillips have worked tirelessly with Saskatoon police over the years to solve the mysterious cold case.

Despite hundreds of tips to both family and police, there was little movement in the case -- until recently.

"Concerning the breaks in the case, we really can't talk about it at this time, but we do feel that this will be closed very soon," said Storie.

In memory of Wiwcharuk and all other missing and murdered women in Saskatoon, a candle light vigil will begin at 8 p.m. Friday night along the riverbank between Spadina Crescent and 33rd Street.

The sisters say it's the memories of their aunt that push them to continue investigating. Storie was only three years old when Wiwcharuk was murdered, and Phillips was 12.

"We would dance and sing in the front room, and my mom and her would cook together and it was always fun," said Phillips, who remembers her Aunt Alexandra as kind, caring, but also a fighter.

"It was said to my mother, even, that Alex would fight right to death before somebody would take advantage of her."
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on May 20, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
http://saskatoon.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120519/sas-wiwcharukmemorial-120519/20120519/?hub=Saskatoon

Some video footage of the memorial for those of us who couldn't be there.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: leonagleant on May 20, 2012, 02:39:38 PM
Interestng to read that the suspect (according to the nieces if not the police) has had children. A number of violent rapist/murderers have been found to have had family lives when they have finally been apprehended over a decade later. For example Neil Snelson who still proclaims his innocence in spite of the DNA match.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 21, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
Friday night at the vigil, I was impressed with the turnout, even though the weather was so poor.

The church memorial service was beautiful, and the nurses were a pleasure to meet.

I prepared the gravesites for blessing my Auntie's gravesite and my grandparent's gravesite, in the traditional Ukrainian  Orthodox custom. Again, that service was beautiful!  Thanks to my brothers the luncheon was excellent! This was an all around effort of my family to honor Auntie Alexandria.

There were also donations collected by the church and they are able to purchase a "St. Alexandra" icon in honor of my Auntie.

I was truly blessed this weekend because so many people wanted to share with me information in regards to my Auntie's case. I am here in Saskatoon and my calendar is full, I will likely be too busy to post for the next few days.

So many of my immediate family members are committed and supportive towards the four of us (Lynn, Patty, Lorraine and myself) in our efforts to find who did this to Auntie  Alexandria. Plus all the prayers from everyone, has made things happen! May God Bless You All!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on May 21, 2012, 02:12:40 PM
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Even though they did not have any part of the the Headstone and photo repair, the erecting of the Billboard, the planning, the participation, any financial or execution of any part of Alexandra's Memorial, it was good to see Gwen and her niece were able to come and enjoy the week-end for Alexandra.

I guess this is meant to be a derogatory remark. Too bad it had to be included in an otherwise, nice write up about Alexandra's memorial. It really wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on May 21, 2012, 04:37:32 PM
In reading it, I am confused.  Lynne was thanked and included.  Very bad article, by some poor reporter.  However, it was nice to see that Alexandra is not forgotten by her family. 

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Concerned on May 21, 2012, 11:19:57 PM
Wow. That really reflects poorly on the writer. A memorial for a woman whose family is continuing to grieve and seek answers to the unknown and the reporter choses to make the following points. Obviously the reporter has no manners, but beyond that must have never experienced tragedy to this level to know how victimizing that sentence, in itself, is. I don't wish anyone knowing and feeling what this family has been put through, even this writer. Hugs to the family for loving and keeping the memory of those they love honored. The shoes you've had to wear have not led down an easy or painfree travel. Again, I'm sure this reporter has no clue what those shoes are like to wear. Otherwise I'm sure the reporter would not have made point of something so trivial compared to the scope of loss you have endured.

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Even though they did not have any part of the the Headstone and photo repair, the erecting of the Billboard, the planning, the participation, any financial or execution of any part of Alexandra's Memorial, it was good to see Gwen and her niece were able to come and enjoy the week-end for Alexandra.

I guess this is meant to be a derogatory remark. Too bad it had to be included in an otherwise, nice write up about Alexandra's memorial. It really wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 22, 2012, 09:27:35 AM
This is about Auntie Alexandria.

I am hoping that this thread on this forum will always be a place where we all remain focussed on solving my Auntie Alexandrias's case.

No matter what comes my way, I will never ever stop working tirelessly towards finding my Auntie Alexandria's murderer(s).

This forum has always been a support for me in my endeavours, and I am SO appreciative of my fellow members here! May God Bless You All!!!

I have one last request for today...."Please pray for my family."
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: debbiec on May 22, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
GIS, your last post has been removed by Admin. 

I've been reading your posts on this thread for the last few years. Always wondered why you posted in such a way that those reading would not know what you were talking about. Always wondered who you were.

Alexandra's thread has been on our site since 2008. Baba has been posting on it almost from day one. Many of us here have contributed what we can.

Shame on you for attempting to use Alexandra's thread to demean your sisters. It is inappropriate to say the least.
 
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on May 22, 2012, 10:53:23 AM
Shame on her for casting the first stone!!!, on this forum???
As I said you don't know her! 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: leonagleant on May 22, 2012, 02:28:54 PM
"Wiwcharuk's neice Patti believes the person behind her aunt's murder is still walking free. "He's alive and he has had the opportunity to enjoy his life, live, had children, and our aunt never did, she was just starting out."

This thread has become rather confusing to me. I was asked in private message to clarify my last post, so here is the complete quote above taken from a recent news story that prompted my post. I interpreted it to mean there was a specific suspect in mind who had had children, but in re-reading, I see it can be taken as a generalization (specially if the "had children" should have been written as "have children").
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SarahJane on May 22, 2012, 11:17:52 PM
I'm glad to see that this old case is (from what I've surmized) mostly solved and that these people are not forgotten.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: GIS on May 22, 2012, 11:46:25 PM
No silly, he was waiting for his DNA to be cleared, not his fathers!!! Why was he waiting for his and not his fathers, why would he have made such a comment??He was adopted, how would his DNA match, he knew that. He was talking about himself. Why, was he down by the river? Truely this was and is not a red herring. OMG, just forget it. 8)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on May 23, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
...you could be right on that.... I haven't gone back and read that paper boy stuff since a few years;  ... I may be entertaining a recollection of the same situation in the Queensville, Ontario case of little Christine Jessop.

I did think the old man was suspect too in Alex's death... not just the paper boy!  after all, it was the father who did the serial killing with the uncle and the old woman.   I was recalling adoption in that case also?  ...I may go back and look at that, but don't really feel the need because I definitely don't believe it wasn't either of them who killed Alex...!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
Lost, the children of Clark are guilty of things, just not this case.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2012, 12:42:31 PM
I just was informed that on the CTV website, there was a news clip where a police officer said this case will not be solved...hmmmm...I wonder why???

Going to find it...see who that officer was???

Sounds to me like there is an underlying message...I think I know what it is...I will keep it under my hat until I find the news story, and read it myself.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: SarahJane on May 23, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
I was under the impression they had dna?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on May 23, 2012, 12:51:55 PM
I had hoped as does everyone here that everything was still on track for solving Alex's murder this 50th year. Minor squables and disputes will come and go but I am convinvced that there is no better time nor no better group to put it all together that what you have right now. You have all come so far. If all sides can put aside whatever divides them, get big and rise above, it is all still within grasp. Alex's fought so hard to raise her hand, HANG ONTO IT.. don't let the moment slip away, no matter what anyone says! 

Maybe the cops aren't really onside here?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 23, 2012, 01:14:28 PM
Yes they do Sarah Jane.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: leonagleant on May 23, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
Excellent, DNA is god's gift to solving crimes and I'm so glad to hear you have DNA evidence from 50 yrs ago!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 25, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
This is a request from Father Taras...

He would like anyone who took pictures at the Memorial Service, Blessing of the Graves, and Luncheon to be passed on to him for the Orthodox Church publications in memory of Auntie Alexandria.

Please drop the pictures, DVDs, or CDs at the parish, or PM me for his email.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 25, 2012, 08:42:26 PM
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Nurse+remembered+years+after+murder/6648278/story.html


This article was in Saturday's paper.

Candlelight Vigil
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on May 25, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
Oh...just been going through my notes, and I was wondering if anyone out there got the clarvoyants' names and their  stories, who attended the vigil??? I only have a partial because I was quite busy.

Oh, thank you Olga for your help with research! :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 13, 2012, 12:01:29 AM
Yes, Leona...the DNA is now the smoking gun!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on June 13, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
With DNA, there is a possibility this case could be definitely solved.  Many cases have been solved that people thought would never be solved. Do not give up hope. I do hope you get in touch with the clairvoyant who was attending the memorial service. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 13, 2012, 10:18:38 PM
Even though DNA testing was not available in 1962, DNA still remains on all the evidence. Recently, DNA was lifted from a rock, from a case 100 years old. You have to wonder why the evidence has not been sent to these labs who are capable of this type of testing...????

They did it for the David Milgard case. (2 Labs outside of Canada)

I bet you if I took a survey, I am sure that we all would agree to send it to those labs...   Cold Case Unit is AWARE which ones I am talking about!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 13, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
THE ENEMY DOES NOT FIGHT YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE
THE ENEMY FIGHTS YOU FOR WHERE YOU GO


- Joel Olsteen




Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 17, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
I fought the rain across the barren waste in the crystal doom...Going to find the guilty who took our girl from Saskatoon!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on June 21, 2012, 02:45:26 AM
Thank YouTo all who have particpated in making this job of investigating a lot easier. This journey continues to be blessed with such good people! You continue to encourage, inspire, guide and teach me!  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: D1 on June 21, 2012, 01:31:21 PM
It's been a long time coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjKMF_WUgqc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjKMF_WUgqc&feature=related)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: expecting rain on November 15, 2012, 07:55:46 PM
Has anyone heard from Baba Donya? Or do you have any new news you can tell us Baba Donya?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 20, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
Hi there everyone...

Thank you for all of your inquiries and blessings!

I have been absolutely busy!

I have met someone, lately...which may or may not have relevant information....and I believe it was divine intervention!

We may look quiet, BUT we are not idle.

If you need to get ahold of me...don't hesitate!

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on February 20, 2013, 06:39:43 PM
My gosh Baba Donya, I was thinking about you just the other day.  No kidding. :)
It has been a long road to hoe - for you and your family Baba Donya.

Read your post, and hope it will give you a few more clues.

Bless you for your tenacity.
Hope your answers will be forthcoming shorly.

JB: It does not go unoticed that "Alex''s thread has been read over 56,000 times.
That is the size of a town!!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 21, 2013, 01:21:29 AM
Glad to hear from you, too, JB!

I couldn't do what I do without the support and friendships on this site!

 :)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on February 21, 2013, 01:56:27 AM
We are always here  for you, Baba Donya! :) :) :) ;) :D :D I can't make enough smilies for all of the members here.
Too many of us.

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 21, 2013, 11:54:39 PM
JB ~  :)  ;)
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on February 27, 2013, 02:00:27 AM
Wow...

Just met another person, who didn't realize we were investigating our Auntie's case. Looks like we haven't met everyone who may be able to offer information in the case! They are from the area in which she was found. Going to meet up with them soon. Chipping at one little piece at a time..no matter how long it takes!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: jellybean on April 11, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
Baba, how are you making out - learn anything that would be helpful to you?

JB
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on April 12, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Baba, I send you my prayers and hope that every day brings you closer to justice in this case. Glad to hear from you and keep us informed. :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: Baba Donya on August 30, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
Hi everyone!

I am looking for some help through old newspapers.

Does anyone want to help?

PM me, thanks!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: me on August 18, 2015, 02:54:36 PM
thinking of you, Baba
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 04, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
Where are you Baba?  I hope your health is ok. 

I was thinking of putting the research I did on here, if you can no longer continue the footwork.  Do the others know what I dug up on my first choice of a suspect?  It took me a long time to find all that stuff, so I'm guessing the others don't have it.  Maybe they heard his name before, but I doubt they realize that he was situated right next door to where Alex was murdered.  I hate to just let a few years of digging go down the tubes, so if you are not up to it, let me know if I should send it to the others.  I did email you a few times, but no response. .... ps to that Baba .......

when I say "situated right next door to where Alex was murdered"  I wasn't kidding.  He was possibly, flopped in a rooming house that probably had a window facing "the weir".

~ Lost
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on October 26, 2016, 07:32:09 PM
I just came across this research of mine again (on Alex).  If I don't put it up here, I may lose it or bury it again.  I haven't heard back from Baba; so there is no way of knowing if she has given up the battle, or otherwise unable to continue.  Therefore; I think it is best if I put the material here.  You guys can go over it and see what you think.

BTW, I won't be surprised if Baba's sisters say "they already know this stuff".   ;)  Nonetheless;  here goes.  For anybody interested, it is all based on my research in news papers etc.  I was never able to find a picture of this guy, but no doubt, RCMP have his face .... and also another police dept. who passed their suspicions to Chief Kettles in Saskatoon at the time.  .... may as well used the info. for toilet paper~ imo. 

My notes on Kosaruk as Alex/s killer
Here are two notes (of many I have made and kept) that were left on my desktop.  They have been there over a year.  For years I've tried to narrow down who could have killed Alex if it were a "random act".  No matter in what direction my search took me, it always led me back to one man. (which is what we aim at here, since we are not privy to the local research where this happened, nor the contact with witnesses regarding such - we only have the second hand info. from news and personal contacts we make through our own sleuthing)   As I said, these two notes were just laying here.

Keep in mind that the chief in charge of the case had been advised by police from Manitoba that he could be Alex's killer also.  The chief never did pull him in for questioning.  I believe this guy was staying at the hotel just above the weir where Alex was murdered.  I think he could have noticed her at the drug store (he always had to go to the nearest drugstore a few times a week for his prescription, which he mixed with alcohol to enjoy "fatal sex") ...and I think he could have followed her and offered her booze and company... Alex was the type who would put him in his place real quick.  The MO in Alex's murder was the same as the others he killed.  Also, police picked up a liquor bottle at the scene.  So here are those two notes.  I did save more.

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strangled Rose Whitehead (34) on June 12, 1962 in Saskatoon at the Queen's Hotel.  (room 317)  It was a Tuesday.  Police found Rose Whiteheads body when they went to the Leland Hotel in Saskatoon to "follow up" on a request from the Winnipeg police about Mrs. Yourkin's murder in Winnipeg. (Chief Kettles was involved in this.)

Dr. H.M. Collins pointed Kosaruk out in court, as the man who came to his office June 11, and under the name of Steve Kerr, complained of being nervous.
Dr. Collins prescribed two drugs - the first a tranquilitzer, the second a "new type of non-barbituate sleeping pill".  He said neither drug was fatal but alcohol would make the drugs work faster.
Collins described "Kerr" as being depressed and agitated.

Dr. Lewis M. Brand said "Kerr" came to his office also at 1 p.m. on June 12.  Kerr (Kozaruk) told Dr. Lewis he was unable to sleep and was drinking heavily.  Dr. Brand said he questioned the man further and Kerr told him he was having a considerable amount of trouble with his girlfriend in Winnipeg.  Dr. Brand said "I noticed he was considerably agitated and was suffering from "acute anxiety." The man asked Dr. Brand for something to "settle him down."  The doctor gave him two types of drug samples which if taken at once wouldn't be harmful.  Both were tranquilizers.  Dr. Brand told Kerr one of the drugs was a sleeping pill, but in fact it was not.  The doctor suspected Kerr was an assumed name but realized the man needed help.  Dr. Brand said the drugs would enhance the effects of alcohol.

He had taken a train to Saskatoon after strangling Mrs. Yourkin (52 years old) in Winnipeg at The Leland Hotel the previous Sunday.
He used the name "Kirkwood" in the Winnipeg hotel. 
He had killed Mrs. Yourkin between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m on June 9, 1962   ...her body was found by the hotel cleaning lady.

at the Leland Hotel in Winnipeg, he used the name S. Kirkwood.. (Kozaruk's bankbook was found in this room.) 

 so,  he killed again within three days.  That's when he had "escalated enough to get caught".

He was described as 5 foot 11 inches tall... weighing  180 lbs.


Preliminary Hearing in the Rose Whitehead case was August 8, 1962.  Kozaruk was kept in Prince Albert Jail.

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Police kept vigil over Kozaruk - still in comma after overdosing on prescription medication while with / and while killing Rose Whitehead in room 317 of the Queens Hotel.... she was partially nude, and strangled with a hand towl.
At that time, Kozaruk is also wanted for questioning in connection with Winnipeg murder early Saturday morning. (Yourkin, 52 - who had also been found strangled with a towel in the Leland Hotel in Winnipeg.  It was believe that he took a train Saturday (after killing Yourkin) from Winnipeg - arriving shortly after midnight in Saskatoon.  He then checked into the Queens Hotel under the alias of Steven Kerr.
Then Tuesday evening at 7 pm. he lured Rose Whitehead to his room, and the pair drank.  He had recently obtained a prescription for sedatives from a Saskatoon doctor.  (I wonder if it came from Meads Drug Store!)
Note: Kozaruk picked Rose Whitehead up at the Barry Hotel beverage room....  Before he picked up Whitehead, he had been sitting talking to a waitress, asking her what time she'd be off "jokingly", then he got up and walked into the ladies and escorts side, where he saw Whitehead sitting alone - they drank and he eventually talked her into leaving with him (a cab to the Queens Hotel...stopped for booze on the way)
At the time, police in Winnipeg sent photographs of Kozaruk to Saskatoon force and Saskatoon RCMP - along with his description.  He was to be questioned about the death of Miss Whitehaed and also of Alexandra Wiwcharuk whose body was found May 31 in a shallow grave. (I thought Alex was murdered a year earlier - maybe the news article simply neglected to state that????)
Kozaruk's parents were believed to live in Athabasca, Alta. at that time.
He is described as a big powerful man.  ... 5'11" and weighing 180 lbs. (would explain how Alex couldn't defend herself.)
Kozaruk was described as quiet and personable by hotel staff.
It was noted that when he killed Ms. Whitehead, the room wasn't even disturbed, and very little of the liquor had been drank. (so Kozaruk must have gone quickly into rape and murder,   once arriving at the room - same each time... he gets right to his purpose.)
Kozaruk had been employed as a superintendent of electricians at the potash mine near Esterhazy from March 1 to June 4 of that year.  He was described there as "a very capable fellow."  He was employed by Schentag Construction, the company which was doing much of the surface construction at the mine site.
.... wondering if Schentag was doing any work at or around the Weir?
.... wondering again, if Kozaruk picked up pills at the drugstore there, or saw a doctor nearby?

 To Gwennie:
even if he/they paid cash Gwennie, Kozaruk was there enough that they would remember his face... especially since they never got to see his age; he was locked up. (at present, I don't recall what I mean in this sentence when I noted it.)   And Alex's murder fits right in the time slot.  If the case were reopened and his time and trail were laid out, it would put him right there the weekend of Alex's murder.  There is a picture of him you know.

I wish you could get the cops to DNA that bottle, if it is still in the evidence.  I'll bet they have never ever done that, since the DNA came into affect.  Cold cases are being solved left and right, but only those the police get nagged to reopen.             

You have to find out if Kozaruk picked up a prescription there, or was there \that night or any time (because he could have just gone to the store that night for cigarettes) and you have to find out if he stayed at a hotel or boarding house by the Weir.  I know he had some woman around there he stayed with also.

You need to make a list of the boarding houses and hotels that were there at that time.  The hotels you can get from the history archives at the library or museum... or maybe even you have a better method.


To Gwennie:


Gwennie, I keep thinking you need to go to that drug store where Alex mailed her letter that night;  seems to me that Kozaruk could have been there picking up his meds. (which he mixed with his booze before he killed each woman) Then he ended up walking behind Alex. 
 he went to the hotel just by the weir (he stayed in one there) drank his booze with his pills... then looked out the window and spotted Alex sitting down there, or else had watched her going there minutes earlier..... then he took his booze and figured he would pick up that lonely looking beauty.  But Alex was the type who would put him in his place real quick.  So I think that may be what happened.  She was killed in the exact same fashion as each of his other victims.... and he wore glasses.... and police picked up a booze bottle there.  I find it hard to see it any other way.


Dirty cop maybe?
Find old message from Gwennie:
I remember Gwennie telling me that construction site one of the local cops worked at that site at the time Alex was murdered.



Gwen; I can't help but ask you because you've never ever mentioned it, but it nags at me as to who's DNA has been checked for "a match" over the years.  ... most important of all, has Kozaruk's or any of his blood relatives been checked.  I can't imagine anybody else more likely to have committed this crime.  It was exactly Kozaruk's MO and he was staying within metres of the crime scene .... at least he was known to be there within days of Alex's murder --- and was, by that point, known to have escalated to habitual “fatal sex”.   
I just don't get it.  It bothers me to know this, and not know if or how he was ruled out  ....  as I know of no "more possible a suspect" than Kozaruk.

modified to add:
It seems to me also, police in Manitoba and/or Saskatchewan may still possibly have evidence/items belonging to Kozaruk laying around somewhere in storage ... even if the cases of those he was known to have murdered, are solved and considered closed;  maybe someone could have had the foresight to hang on to something - like an empty booze bottle or pill bottle with fingerprints, just in case down the road, another victim is uncovered and they want to rule him out.... I know his fingerprints would still be on file for that purpose - and DNA wasn't in the picture back then, but still ... he probablly has relatives who might still have something belonging to him packed away ? who knows ?  ... and Alex's case is still open;  so they must have her clothing etc. (and also a booze bottle found at the scene) to extract DNA from.... and my instincts has told me from day one that the guy who attacked her wore glasses.  I cannot explain why I feel that, but always did, from the first time I ever read this case.







Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 10, 2019, 06:40:13 PM
I just came across this article... one I saved from the web page created way back (when Baba was still taking part).  I don't have the link for it, but it was public at the time, so maybe it will be alright? :-\    The following news article alone sparks many questions for me - one being, as I've harped on forever:  Why was Stephen Kozaruk not investigated?  And why was there no press whatsoever pointing to him as a possible suspect who was actually referred to Chief Kettles by a "heads up notice" from Manitoba police?  At no point was Kettles ever asked why he completely disregarded Kozaruk as a suspect.. or why he may have ruled him out.  The article also spooks one to think that
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a prime suspect was ruled out as being considered out of town when it happened. .. what a crock! (that being the politician's son)
No wonder the case was never settled!  or progressed! Here is why!  from Baba back at the beginning - telling it like it is - In fact; nothing to the contrary has transpired as of yet!  One can only imagine the Karma and horrors that must have beset those guilty of her murder and and/or hiding the facts - keeping quiet for whatever reason or benifit it might have for them.

The area in which she was buried alive, was on the upper part of a large riverbank, by a clump of trees. There were homes across the street from this riverbank. Someone heard something. Someone saw something. Someone was on the river, or across the river on the opposite bank.

The family put up a $10,000 reward at the time. In 1962, that was a lot of money...why did no one come forward??? Police affiliation or corruption, or cover up, whatever you want to call it...it happened. Saskatoon, had little mafias all over the city, at the time. There are always crooked police, in those circumstances. Missing evidence, early on in the investigation. Evidence sent to other cities, why? why? why? Records disappearing all over the place. Further hampering any honest police officers attempts to find Alexandra's killers. Many police officers were told to mind their own business, at the time.

Why was this investigation impeded in so many ways. Whether, it was inexperience or not, I cannot believe the photos I have seen of the head of the police department in Saskatoon smiling and/or laughing beside Alexandra's coffin. This was a shock to the City of Saskatoon, and devastated the innocence of this beautiful city, and he is happy??? "A picture can paint a 1000 words."

The murder of Alexandra Wiwcharuk has spurred many emotions since 1962. Everyone in Saskatoon, was effected by this murder, and everyone who knew Alexandra. Their lives would never be the same, and all of them have their gentle reminders of what had happened to such an innocent young woman. Their lifeline would forever be changed! Today, powerful emotions still arise from the "Death of a Beauty Queen - Alexandra Wiwcharuk."

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 11, 2019, 03:09:27 PM
Here is the only image I could dig up of Stephen Kozaruck;  He is the guy in the centre (3rd) .. is 5 ft. 11 in. tall and has dark blonde hair.

I have just about every news scrap about him at the time... at least 20 if anybody wants them.  All that is needed now is to contact Dr. L.M. Brand who last prescribed Kozaruck's "killin' pills" which he mixed with alcohol every time he raped and killed. ... or contact Dr. Collins of Saskatoon who also prescribed some of his pills. 

The police recovered 5 empty and partly empty pill bottles at the scene of Rose Whitehead's murder..... used to convict him in 1962.  ... and the monster was in the area at the time.  I wonder if he picked up a prescription at Meades Drug Store as Alexandra was mailing her letters?  :-\  ... and I wonder if there would be trace of the drugs and booze in the abundance of skin Alex retained under her finger nails?
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 14, 2019, 04:24:01 PM
Sorry for "replying to my own posts";  just laying out new thoughts as I have started reading this whole thread again. 

Adrian...

Thank You ....

The family was not invited to the coroners inquest. We have asked, and we are not sure why.

So the description of what happened, is what we have collected from the newspaper reports, etc. All I have read and concluded was that there could have been a possibility that someone said they were going to meet her there. When that person did not show up, she went to go home. Was it a lure???? We are not sure.

Was she killed the same night? We are not sure.

Forensic phsychology, what we get off of television would indicate because her face was destroyed, this  person knew her. By the force of the blows, this person/s was very angry at her.

I do not know if she was strangled, she was raped, crushed by a concrete construction block, and died from sand being in her wind pipe. We believe she reached up through her shallow grave for one last attempt for help, or for someone to find her with her outstretched hand. Whether this is all of it, we are not sure.

I do believe, because of what Alexandra believed in. I believe Alexandra would have fought off her attacker/s the best she could, because she was not going to be raped if she could help it. Alexandra's courage, I am sure angered the perpetrator/s, that is why I believe she was raped after he/they crushed her with the concrete block. This person/s raped a dying woman and had to look at her crushed body while doing this, meaning that this person/s was obsessed, was demented, very disturbed, whatever you want to call it. A sicko!

One thing that keeps popping in my mind, that she was lured there that night.

- Unless Alex was in the habit of wandering to the weir on such an inviting night (one will never know at this point) I too, feel she was there for a purpose.  ... to meet up with someone pre-arranged... not necessarily knowing them well, maybe just a "get acquainted in a place she considered safe and tasteful?"

- or she knew the person already?

- or somebody else came instead - knowing she would be there alone waiting?  a messenger? a jealous guy who knew the guy she was meeting wouldn't be showing up?  ... or even worse, a jealous woman interested in, or connected to the guy who wouldn't be showing up -... no text messages back then!  people exchanged notes- or trusted confidants with messages-  .. and it was nothing among little cliques to over-hear something and take the opportunity to "alter the turnout" ... again, a guying bragging he changed his mind about "hooking up" or maybe said he "just couldn't get away" ... creating an opportunity for a deviant person!

- I find myself wondering if they "lay in wait" at the tree line because they were certain she would walk in that direction - which indicates her killer was familiar with her likely-route?  or indicates that might have been a usual path back to her residence, or at least they knew she would head home that way as opposed to the street.
 
- did the killer - become acquainted in minutes, or else already known to her, having exchanged friendly conversation, suggest a little walk when it seemed nobody was looking?

- or, did someone such as Stephen Kozaruck follow her from the drug store, and sit back waiting for the opportune moment?

- Again I wonder if the piece of concrete was considered "belonging to that spot"?

- and was the "grave" intentionally dug?  If not.. and it was dug in haste, how impacted was that ground for digging (was it damp and soft because it was shaded? or would it have been somewhat hard pack from whatever number of days that had dry air and sunshine prior)?
 
- What would the killer have used for digging? If it was soft ground, a stick, piece of board, or branch would do; otherwise some sort of shovel would have been required. I noticed in the crime scene photo, there was what looked like a huge plastic pail incorporated into the ground brush left of the grave.  ... like the fuel and oil cans carried by heavy trucks and equipment on job sites.
 
- Was the "grave" actually just a ditch left by construction there? (If so, whoever did this had to be quite resourceful to find the necessary earth or vegetation compost to cover her over - again suggesting either familiarity with the site, or else, the necessity to return again to do the burying.)

- One can't help but think that Alex might have been abducted that night, and then returned and buried another time or another day.
(If there was tell-tale articles left near or where she was buried, (such as a bottle, eyeglasses, clothing button/s, or whatever a murderer might lose) that would indicate it happened there either all at once, or else in a few visits.  .... if it did take place there, why are her purse and one shoe still missing?  :-\

- If she was killed elsewhere and brought back there for burying, that would explain why her
 hand was still reaching out... fighting ... perhaps that was the case; and because rigor had set in, she had to be buried that way.  If the killer went through all the work of burying her right after he killed her, I would expect he/she/they would have placed her hand flat to get it out of the way and make the work easier.... suggesting that she was either buried alive, still breathing, and with one last spontaneous movement, raised her hand?   

- or left dying in a vehicle, or building, or at least well hidden until the killer/s acquired a shovel ...  by the time, they got all their faculties together, rigor was either partially or completely set in, requiring the concrete block to help flatten the body (or was the block / weapon just thrown in to get it out of sight?

I'm sorry if most of this is repetitive of all the previous pages, but it's just my way of narrowing it down to the initial facts and suppositions:  that way, I don't have to read the whole thread again each time I revisit the thread.

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 14, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
page 24.... and whatta ya know?  Baba, at that point reached a realization about time of death and why it was probably dictated:

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Thanks Cape, sorry I haven't been on for  'a' while....

Something else cropped up in my research...the time of death. Although, I am not trying to discredit the coroner...but by the time they had found her body....they all ready knew what she had to eat. So in order not to panic the women of the city and appease the family, I do believe they lied about the contents in her stomach. The Chief of Police would have had something to do with that, but since he has passed away via a heart attack shovelling snow, ...hmm... was it last winter???? Anyways I guess he will never tell...how convenient for the murderer(s).

Although today's forensics will tell you that to be that accurate would not have been very professional on the coroner's part! Well forensic science has come along way since then! Therefore, due to forensic science, there has a lot of scientific variables and/or factors that have to be taken into account before an accurate time of death could have been pinpointed. Therefore, she may have been alive for some time, before she was murdered! Since her body was discovered so much later than her disappearance or death, it was very bold of this coroner to make such a statement!

Seems to be all neat and tidy....doesn't it!
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 14, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
finished re-reading the whole thread - i noticed most of the pictures and articles posted over the years are missing.  So here goes:  the following are public ... if you google https://www.google.ca/search?q=where+Alexandra+Wiwichauck%27s+body+was+found+by+Saskatoon+Weir+in+1962&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CUdylhanMbhgIjhMKc00Id0J9Vf2k739LwLO2DPmx4BhpnOift-DQ9nrDAUOQNtu0bWLKbalGc-p22uoQ7UA_1zKehSoSCUwpzTQh3Qn1EVcgNt1OzoeFKhIJV_1aTvf0vAs4RVyA23U7Oh4UqEgnYM-bHgGGmcxGC60vo8VlYeSoSCaJ-34ND2esMEfrvfmeLqEV5KhIJBQ5A227RtYsRkxwEgO6p61cqEgkptqUZz6nbaxEMe-H9JJkabyoSCahDtQD_1Mp6FET8i2K6kqx3H&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipjdOhlIPhAhUCheAKHfe4AZQQ9C96BAgBEBs&biw=1236&bih=524&dpr=1.1#imgdii=Yz5WuS5cn56FRM:&imgrc=qEO1AP8ynoV99M:  they are all public, but I'm not sure about copywrited?  I've had them for years.
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 17, 2019, 02:22:29 PM
For anybody who is reading Alex's thread, I am posting something I finally figured out about Meades Drug Store:  the reason I could never find out any information about its exact location in reference to where the murder occurred at The Weir, is because all these years I was searching for Meads/Meades Drugstore in Saskatoon.... and could never find it.  Now that I've been on a roll this week, I finally zeroed in on its location (in 1962) ... I think.  take notice of the photo below of Meades original Drug Store in 1954 ... it is the exact same address. .. also a pic of the outside same year - 1953  So "bingo" on that!
It is a Meades Drug Mart on the corner of 7th street (although called Shoppers Drugmart).... and it even still has a post office; so I think that's the one Alex mailed her letters at back in 1962.  Therefore; I decided to trace the shortest "walk" she might have taken to The Weir.  Turns out it is a ten minute walk.  So I am showing the ad for Meades Drug Mart and also the google link I used to trace the steps and distance.  If you click on the google link, you will see the steps show up as tiny blue dots.

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1476979,-106.6577679,1822m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en-US

and Meades Drug Mart Ad  https://www1.shoppersdrugmart.ca/en/store-locator/store/412
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 17, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
This is the scene of her murder:  just below 33rd and Spadina

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on March 18, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
I also am wondering why there has been no posting on this thread for a long time.  I certainly am interested in the photos, Lost, thanks for finding this information. Just adding to the posts, I too am with your thoughts on this Lost, I believe it was a planned meeting. I think she planned to meet someone, went to mail the letters and did not want to tell the girls where she was going, by covering and saying she was going for a walk. Well not many people go for a walk in the area she would have walked, by themselves. It sounds kind of scary to me. I would never walk alone at night at all, no matter how safe you think you are, unless it is only a block and you can see your house from where you are. I believe it was someone she knew the person.  Also it is quite interesting related to the red car.  It was such a high profile murder at that time and it wasn't solved, when they had so many officers dealing with the case. And then it could have been a person who was working in the area and just left town and moved on. A mystery that hopefully will be solved. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: lostlinganer on March 19, 2019, 07:54:07 AM
Maybe the police were "man handled by the political system" to the point that they quickly got tired of "going through the motions" of investigating guys they "knew" didn't do it.... because many knew who did!  Maybe they weren't lazy or inept.  ::)

Title: Re: Alexandra Wiwcharuk - May 18, 1962 - Age 23 - Murdered - Saskatoon
Post by: capeheart on April 16, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
The DNA that time was non existent so to say. I think there could have been some people who had instincts of who may have committed this crime and did not want to come forward. They may have been afraid of naming someone that they were suspicious of.  Many times crimes would be solved if people did come forward with their concerns.  I really believe that someone did know who committed this crime, how could they cold bloodedly bury someone alive and act normal, once the news story came out.  People that remember that crime today, should rehash over in their minds and jot down information that they do remember, it still maybe helpful.