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Title: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Carol-Lynn on December 05, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
For the past three weeks, Sylvia Kozicki has spent much time watching her front door.

She remains optimistic her husband Mike, who went missing Nov. 14, will come home soon. But as time goes by, she admits it’s getting hard to remain hopeful.

“I can’t think straight and in my mind I went through 10,000 scenarios by now,” said Sylvia. “I still have complete hope that he is coming back home every day.”

The last time Sylvia saw Mike, a well-known prominent realtor, was Nov. 14.

It was a normal working day, she recalls, and Mike was on his way to an appointment for a listing. Around 9 p.m., Sylvia received a call from police, informing her that her 50-year-old husband was missing.

According to friends and colleagues, his vehicle was found downtown by the police station. His wallet, glasses and phone were still inside.

Police said they are treating Mike’s disappearance as a missing person case, but it’s not criminal in nature.

Sylvia is at a loss for words trying to describe the feeling of searching for her husband, who is well-known throughout the real estate and Polish communities.

“I am still in disbelief with what’s happened. Mike is very responsible and he runs a huge operation,” she said. “At the end of the day, I believe if something happened to him that he’s going to come out of this. That’s my only hope.”

Mike is the broker/owner of Century 21 Royal Real Estate and has been in the business for 19 years, winning numerous awards along the way.

Walter Szwender has known Mike since he came to Canada from Poland at the age of 24 and said he is well known in the Polish community for his involvement in real estate, politics and charity fundraisers.

Szwender and Mike got to know each other well when they worked together in politics for Peter Goldring, a conservative MP for the Edmonton Centre-East riding.

He, too, is puzzled by Mike’s sudden disappearance.

“Obviously I am concerned. He was a good friend,” said Szwender. “You hope for the best that he’ll just walk out somewhere, but that’s a mystery right now.”

Terry Townsend worked with Mike for the past 11 years and said he had recently opened his brand new office about four months ago.

He describes Mike as an ambitious person, who made real estate his life. Mike taught him everything about the business when he moved to Edmonton in 1999.

At one point, Townsend said Mike wanted to run for mayor but backed down because he thought his English wasn’t good enough.

The last time he spoke with Mike was in the morning of the day he went missing. He noticed Mike did not sound like his usual self.

“He sounded like someone would sound if they were having a bad day. He was very quiet and usually he’s very upbeat and positive,” said Townsend, who noted his colleagues are just as puzzled as he is by Mike’s disappearance.

“It’s one of those situations where there’s a lot of unanswered questions. I just don’t understand how a man who eats, sleeps and drinks real estate all of a sudden disappears. That doesn’t make sense to me.”

pamela.roth@sunmedia.ca

Who is Mike Rozicki?

• Broker/owner with Century 21 Royal Real Estate

• Nineteen years in the real estate industry

• Named to the Edmonton Real Estate Board’s elite $10 million club ($10 million in sales) in 1997

• Named Century 21’s top Canadian realtor in 1998

• Arrived in Canada as a Polish immigrant in 1988, barely speaking English.

• Certified real estate specialist, certified residential specialist

• Has a bachelor of law degree

• Has 14 listings featured on his website, including a property worth more than $2 million in rural Strathcona County

• Speaks Polish, Ukrainian and German

• 11-time winner of the Grand Centurion Team award (1999-2009)

• His daughter, Patrycja (Patricia) Kozicka, won the 2004 International Miss Polonia in Vienna, a pageant for young ladies of Polish descent from around the world.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/05/16440201.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/05/16440201.html)

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on December 06, 2010, 05:09:54 AM
Interesting.... I think it's curious that Mike's good friend Walter refer's to Mike in the past-tense.  Hmmm.

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Walter Szwender has known Mike since he came to Canada from Poland at the age of 24 and said he is well known in the Polish community for his involvement in real estate, politics and charity fundraisers.

Szwender and Mike got to know each other well when they worked together in politics for Peter Goldring, a conservative MP for the Edmonton Centre-East riding.

He, too, is puzzled by Mike’s sudden disappearance.

“Obviously I am concerned. He was a good friend,” said Szwender. “You hope for the best that he’ll just walk out somewhere, but that’s a mystery right now.”

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 06, 2010, 07:40:54 PM
This just does not add up. A man is like a woman, he never leaves his wallet, (a woman never leaves her purse or her cell phone. He left everything he owned and walked away. Was there any money in the wallet??? Were his cc in his wallet? Was his ATM card there? Mike could have been planning a disappearance for a long time. If he had money in another part of the world in a bank, he could be long gone by now. He could have caught a flight right out of the country with another passport. He could have slipped across the border. I think he went missing of his own free will. Nobody leaves their wallet. If he was abducted, the person who took him would only make sure he did not have his cell phone. It doesn't make much sense. Of course, if he had a gun in his ribs and someone said, leave your wallet, your cell phone and whatever, I guess he would do that. And the person using the term "was a good friend", I could take that the wrong way, especially if I was speaking to a family member. I would use the term, what can I do to try and help find him or what can we do to find out what happened to him. I don't think I would use the term, "was a good friend", when they were only missing for two weeks. Hoping that Mike is found safe and sound. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Annastaisha on December 07, 2010, 09:00:38 AM
His car was found near a police detachment - meaning whomever left it there wanted it to be found.

 I think Cape has a great thought about a double life - new passport, offshore accouts etc.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 08, 2010, 12:27:08 AM
Welcome to the site Ahnra. Thanks for coming here and sharing a little about Mike. I hope for the sake of his wife and children, family and friends that this is resolved soon.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 08, 2010, 12:22:52 PM
It sounds to me like maybe his business was not as successful as things sound. The market was up and down for a long time in the RE business. He doesn't sound like the kind of person that would take his own life. But he could have made enemies and this could be true, someone could have taken him. But it seems funny that his car was found right where it would be found. Of course, who would think of looking close to the Police station for the car. Arrogant people don't usually take their own lives, they will be that way until they cease to stop breathing. I've never seen anyone change and I know a few that are kind of close to my family, actually. This may not have a happy ending, because he does not want to be found. His wife has to search the family records, phone records, bank records and computer records, the answer is in there where Mike is. If this is done, there should be no trouble finding him. Possibly he has a fake passport and has left the country. That would be better then the suicide theory, at least he may get some help in the future. I feel for his family at this time and pray for his return. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
That was a long and troubling post Ahnra. You pretty well hit on everything and the trouble with trying to investigate something like this. A realtor becomes a missing person, we have seen several others. If MIke were a woman, doubt alot of this conversation would be taking place.

But there are few clues, the main ones being the location and manner the car was left. Staged or crime scene? "the glasses"
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after that many days I would probally refer to a missing friend/ relative in past tense. especially if it was out of character, but thats just me. Chances are after that long and no contact they are not alive.

Whats weird is the car was parked near a police station with glasses,wallet and phone inside... thats just strikes me as so bizzare. I think thats a major clue as to what happened. it sounds planned..

argh, I cant explain what im thinking right now..


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Carol-Lynn on December 09, 2010, 07:49:30 AM
This case sure has gone hush hush, It seems to me that his wife and friends have became very quite over all of this, The first thing most people do is get the police to reach out to the public for help.
Posters of him everywere, TV news stations picking up on this.
But nothing about him in the news.???

I think you maybe right about him in deep financial trouble and took of over to poland,If the cops did not have anything to go on then it would be moved more into the public eye.

I sure hope this is not the case for his family's sake,

Welcome .Ahnra
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: RealtorChick on December 09, 2010, 01:06:41 PM
His building is for sale and his brokerage is closing.  So he's been missing for 3 weeks and in less than 2 weeks of his disappearance, his agents were told that the brokerage was closing....apparently, his wife cannot handle the brokerage without Mike.  Don't most people go on vacation for 2-3 weeks so why the urgency to close a business that has been running for over 15 years? Why wouldn't his wife continue to run the brokerage (by hiring a licensed broker to cover for Mike in his absence) unless this truly is a "staged" disappearance.  I was puzzled at the comment in the paper that his wife said that the police called her at 9 p.m. to tell her that Mike was missing....that doesn't make sense.  If he was in contact with his agent (T. Townsend) on the day of his disappearance, I doubt the police would even bat an eyelash at finding his car, glasses and cell phone especially if they knew he was in contact with someone within the previous 12 hours.  Why would he be considered "missing" at 9 p.m. when this is a man who typically worked until all hours of the morning?  Why would his brokerage building be put up for sale?  There are many unanswered questions and it would be interesting to know what the police have turned up in their investigation.  An affair? Financial issues? they are all possibilities but first and foremost, I truly hope that Mike is located and that he is safe.  Despite how some of you feel about him, he really is a great human with a huge and kind heart.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Annastaisha on December 09, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
Did the police call and tell her that he was missing? Or did they call to ask if he was there because they recovered his car complete with wallet and cell phone and that seems a little odd....
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 09, 2010, 01:53:05 PM
Welcome everyone,

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It was a normal working day, she recalls, and Mike was on his way to an appointment for a listing. Around 9 p.m., Sylvia received a call from police, informing her that her 50-year-old husband was missing.


In light of the statement above I can not see a reason why anyone would even know that Mike was missing so soon, much less be looking for his car. If his wife Sylvia, did not know he was missing then who reported it in the first place? 

I'm curious if it was someone that he worked with and why they would have reported him missing before he was even expected home that night.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 09, 2010, 02:02:02 PM
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The last time he (Townsend) spoke with Mike was in the morning of the day he went missing. He noticed Mike did not sound like his usual self.

“He sounded like someone would sound if they were having a bad day. He was very quiet and usually he’s very upbeat and positive,” said Townsend, who noted his colleagues are just as puzzled as he is by Mike’s disappearance.
“It’s one of those situations where there’s a lot of unanswered questions. I just don’t understand how a man who eats, sleeps and drinks real estate all of a sudden disappears. That doesn’t make sense to me.”
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 09, 2010, 02:10:20 PM
Edmonton Sun articled:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/05/16440201.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/05/16440201.html)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 09, 2010, 02:10:39 PM
Very curious SAP. It does sound like something must have been going on, whether it be work related or in his personal life of which people were unaware.

Was he troubled by something or possibly afraid?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 09, 2010, 02:39:44 PM

That could very well be the case SAP. This could be something financial. Mike has been eating/drinking and sleeping his work for a long time. It sounds like he was very established in both his work and his personal life. Someone has to know something about it as he was reported missing by someone before his wife even knew he was overdue. 

It is a curious statement that the RCMP made that this is not criminal in nature. I feel they must have some information that we are not privy to in order to make that statement. What do they know?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 09, 2010, 06:40:02 PM
Thanks SAP. I have removed post referring to Kostick
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 09, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
Thanks SAP. I have removed post referring to Kostick
No problem. Some names are easy to cofuse. :)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
re: jelly bean..
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I believe that he was expected at the police station to answer some questions, and he did not appear

Or did he? RE agents see alot of things, maybe even run into the odd growop or some other unexpected situation.. His vehicle is at the police station.. they seem to have information early and or are involved in some way.

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It is a curious statement that the RCMP made that this is not criminal in nature. I feel they must have some information that we are not privy to in order to make that statement. What do they know?

Witness protection program? The police don't facilitate escape from financial difficulty do they?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 09, 2010, 08:20:49 PM
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The police don't facilitate escape from financial difficulty do they?

Not that I've ever heard of! This is strange right from the beginning. Starting with the fact that Mike was reported to be missing by the RCMP before even his own wife, was expecting him home. How did they know he was missing?

When someone goes missing isn't it usual that someone reports that to the RCMP and not the other way around? There is something wrong with this picture.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 09, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
http://www.century21.ca/sylvia.kozicki (http://www.century21.ca/sylvia.kozicki)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2010, 09:37:35 PM
Are there any rules for Real estste agents reporting a crime? If they saw something in a home, grow op for instance, is there any procedure in place? Or does the guy just go to the cops on his own if he wants?

And, have the police confirmed it was them who made the call?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 09, 2010, 09:40:08 PM
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The police don't facilitate escape from financial difficulty do they?

Not that I've ever heard of! This is strange right from the beginning. Starting with the fact that Mike was reported to be missing by the RCMP before even his own wife, was expecting him home. How did they know he was missing?

When someone goes missing isn't it usual that someone reports that to the RCMP and not the other way around? There is something wrong with this picture.

It was the City Police who reported him missing at 9:00 pm.  Yes, that is a twist and also a page turner.  ???

JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 09, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
Who is saying that they are selling their building? Probably they are leasing space in the building, and the actual owner of the commercial building has put it up for sale,  and Mike got the listing.  No???
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 10, 2010, 02:12:59 AM
Or simply that he comitted suicide or attempted. They will not report and will not give details, even if they have located him, whether or not his attempt was successful
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2010, 02:30:44 AM
There was a snippet in the Edmonton Sun about his disappearance on December 9th/10 ( Page 11)  I remember hearing about the abandoned Mercedes on the bridge that night ( On Edmonton Fire Radio)  Very strange disappearance! ( You have to wonder what transpired on that bridge that night... )

Help Sought

Jeff Cummings
Edmonton Sun

Edmonton City cops are asking the public's help in finding a well-known realtor who disappeared on Nov. 14.  Mike Kozicki, a 50 year old broker with Century 21 Royal Real Estate, was reported missing after police found his abandoned black 2008 Mercedes-Benz on the middle of the High Level Bridge that night. Dean Parthenis, a police spokesman says investigators are hoping to hear from any motorists who were on the bridge and may have seen "any unusual activity" that night. Police are asking witnesses to call 780-423-4567.  This case is considered to be non-criminal and it's still an active investigation, said Parthenis. Kozicki was named to the Edmonton Real Estate Board's elite  $ 10 Million club ( $10 Million in sales) in 1997. He was also named Century 21's top Canadian realtor in 1998.

jeff.cummings@sunmedia.ca


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 10, 2010, 02:53:12 AM
They will leave the request for information open and still treat it as a missing person case even if he is found?  First I have seen this report, an abandoned vehicle on a bridge, hmmm I guess that changes things a fair bit.
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Or simply that he comitted suicide or attempted. They will not report and will not give details, even if they have located him, whether or not his attempt was successful
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 10, 2010, 05:41:51 AM
I find it very odd that Mike went to work as usual that morning, and the police called the wife at 9 that night to tell her that her husband was missing.   Yes, I know his car was found near the police station; but why did they say he was missing when 24 hours had not passed?
  If the wife had of called the cops and said her husband was late, and she hadn't heard from him, I am almost certain the cops would have said it is too soon to report him missing.....what gives??

Also, why is the wife selling the brokerage so soon??
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2010, 10:10:19 AM
I heard about the SUV adandonded on the bridge  live while it was happening & then read it in the paper with Mike's name associated to it  yesterday  ... I also read  ( not confirmed) that there was a suicide note in the vehicle...

Mike's wife was contacted in under 24 hours  because a vehicle found abandoned in the middle of the bridge was registered to him ( Not to mention the unconfirmed suicide note )   Air One & Stars were  called out  that night to do a search just after the vehicle was found ( No mention of a recovery)

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 10, 2010, 10:17:45 AM
Oh man, it's starting to fall together now and it's not looking good at all. Thank you Anna. We need to be careful what we say out of respect for the man and his family and friends. So very sad.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 10, 2010, 10:29:07 AM

Sadly it is becoming apparent now why the police contacted Mike's wife so early on. I hope there will be some type of closure for her in all of this.

Thanks Anna.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2010, 10:39:42 AM
Oh man, it's starting to fall together now and it's not looking good at all. Thank you Anna. We need to be careful what we say out of respect for the man and his family and friends. So very sad.

Very sad indeed...  And yes we need to be careful what we say out of respect to those closest.  These things happen more often than we think (I heard of two other incidences on bridges  that same week) I don't think there is going to be too much more media attention to this case - I think that the article in the paper (Sun) was to get more witnesses to come forward. 
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 10, 2010, 10:55:57 AM
Yes, without witnesses, its still open but does indicate that his body has never been found.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Exactly. If anyone feels  the details I gave  of anything I heard/read  & posted might be offensive to family or friends  please remove it. 

Another message board gives vague details of the incident ( That I  personally heard live when it happened.)  What I read in the paper yesterday made me want to give the  people who were speculating  about what happened closure to this sad situation.

Anna
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Carol-Lynn on December 10, 2010, 12:11:19 PM
Thank You Anna. :'(
My heart goes out to his family and friends, :'(
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 10, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
Yes, thanks Anna....now I understand the police going to the wife so early on.    I am also saddened.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 10, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
Sadly this happens all too often.  Often without any prior clues given to loved ones or friends.  Often they are warm and generous people, who give of themselves.  We need more outreach centers to help those in pain.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 11, 2010, 02:45:26 PM
Very sad news if Mike has committed suicide. I feel for his family at this time. I was hoping for a different outcome. But if Mike was a workaholic, that is possibly what drove him over the edge. He maybe just had been overwhelmed for a long time. :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 11, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Capeheart:  We will never hear another word about what happened to Mike.  We will never know. The main paper in Edmonton has not whispered a thing about it.  He could have returned home for all we know.  Let us hope.

JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 12, 2010, 07:29:11 AM
The reason suicides are not reported, is twofold. number one is because when others are in depressed suicidal state, and they hear of another persons  successful suicide, they have an affinity to copycat. Secondly, is the trouble it may cause to the family and the stigma still attached to suicide. as I recall(if my memory serves me correctly) the stats indicate that immediate family to a suicide victim , are five times more likely to do it themselves. Let's hope this not the case here. But the signs indicate that it is likely
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 12, 2010, 07:43:28 AM
That is quite understandable. 

It's almost like a "read between the lines" type of problem.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 12, 2010, 01:36:14 PM
Ahnra is saying alot of things, one about us even discussing the issue. I agree with Betscho on the immediacy of the issue for the family but really if he did committ they know or should know.

Ahnra also points out, unless there are eye witnessess, with holding the information pre empts any chance of obtaining the facts to determine the case on if it is at all in question.

Finally, if there is a problem with a rash of RE agents committing suicide, talk about it openly before there are more, identify those at risk and be proactive about the situation. Silence may just cause more harm than good.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 12, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
Due to our culture it is an extremely sensitive issue.  Perhaps we could open a thread only for this - with no case files.  There are a number of guests that viewed and are presently viewing  this thread, and because of it's very sensitive nature, I don't think that I will be posting on it again. However, I am praying for a good outcome for this family.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 12, 2010, 07:00:38 PM
Even one witness report would be nice! Done deal then..
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 12, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
ahh, but this isn't a crime is it?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 13, 2010, 12:32:31 AM
Even if this were a suicide, by now, word would have leaked out and confirmed that. It might not be published in the news, but it would be among those whom knew this man.

Not finding a body is odd.

There was a case in NYC exactly like this recently, where the man left his car, it was assumed he died, but he turned up in another country.

I want to follow this case, I am not accusing anyone of anything, nor implying wrong doing, but in the interest of Mike, this could have been a setup, to make it appear a suicide and I believe it will be revealed one way or another.

My thoughts and prayers are with his loved ones.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 13, 2010, 02:14:02 AM
I agree someone should hang in there and watch long enough to make sure this isn't the case.
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What a ploy to deter a full search should it be a ruse.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2010, 02:24:59 AM
If the death is ruled a Suicide Insurance does not pay out. There were reports that evening that there was a note in the vehicle - It would be definitely be classified as a suicide.

It is winter in Alberta people... Ice on the water ( even if it is only in spots) It will be awhile before anything is found. ( River current could carry anything all the way to Saskatchewan - even under the ice) That night helicopters were out looking.

If you read that article again it was not the spouse who inferred to the media that that the vehicle was found  by the police station. I actually heard the entire incident live on Edmonton Fire Radio... It indeed was found in the middle of the high level bridge.

Perhaps those who has questions about Suicide  should look at this website: http://www.suicideinfo.ca/csp/go.aspx?tabid=5 (http://www.suicideinfo.ca/csp/go.aspx?tabid=5)
If you look hard enough they have all the statistics there. 

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 13, 2010, 02:40:41 PM
Ahnra, you give alot of food for thought. The world needs more yous. :) Unfortunately, those 'qualified' by education standards are not always well qualified in other ways, meaning they just don't have the people skills.
These kinds of circumstances are wake up calls. It only takes seconds to smile and ask a person who seems 'down', what the problem is and offer a helping hand, or lend an ear. Sometimes it only takes 'listening' to make an impact on a person in need.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 13, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
Thank you Ahnra. :)
I'm not sure what I think at the moment and without any further news I have nothing left to say either.
I thought the ice on the river was well frozen by now, but I'm probably wrong, especially if the river was flowing quite fast. I just didn't think it was possible Mike would go through, yet no one spotted him in the searches. If not found now while the water flow is still visible, it could be next Spring and far from the city.
This is a very sad situation for any family so close to Christmas. My thoughts and prayers continue that a higher being direct and  watch over the family in their daily lives and that they may find some peace. 
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 13, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
Mike Kozicki is a very talented, Realtor, and over the many years he has been in business, has done very well.
Over this past year numerous staff have had to leave their jobs, because of "Anger Management Issues" they have had to deal with from Sylvia Kozicki.

At least 3 Seceratary's and 1 Mortgage Broker, have had to deal with Sylvia Kozicki's anger issues towards them.
Mike has been known to have calmly asked if everyone could sit down, and Sylvia would scream out of control.

The 1st thing a concerned and loving spouse would do, would be to contact, hospitals and police.

Also why did Sylvia Kozicki comment, which is in the papers, saying she has had over 10,000 thoughts running through her mind what could have happened? is Sylvia trying to start a theory of suicide, to elude and turn others to think on those lines?

Has Mike been Murdered?  Even Jessica Fletcher would bring this women in for questioning!

Why is it that the Police had to inform Sylvia that they had found Mike's car? This is stated in newspapers.
Also why is it that the Edmonton Police station has no record of Mike's disappearance?

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 13, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
Really? and she looks so sweet and innocent in that picture! Another book and cover situation, I believe it warrants watching, those early calls for silence and consideration for the grieving family may have been a little premature. Imagine there is a face book link for that?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 13, 2010, 08:03:56 PM
It sure sounds like Mike was married to the wicked witch of the west. Well, I certainly can see why a mild mannered man would want to jump somewhere, but why didn't he just get a divorce and head for the hills somewhere. Maybe Mike didn't jump, maybe he just walked to an airport and got on a plane or went across the border to the US. Mike, if you did, I applaud you and I understand if you chose to take this route. Hopefully you are sitting in some classy hotel, sipping on brandy and thinking about where you'll get your next job. I feel bad for the people who do miss and care for you. I do hope that they will find what has happened to this man for the sake of his children. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 13, 2010, 11:01:39 PM
Tanis, you are saying the EPS don't know of Mike's disappearance? Yet the reporter who talked to Sylvia stated and it must have come from Sylvia that Police contacted her at 9 PM that Mike is missing, a time he usually isn't even home from the office yet. Someone else mentioned that calls to/from the cells go to the office phone...Anyone could have impersonated a Policeman on the phone, and that is one thing they don't do is call a person to let them know someone is missing. They come to the door.
Are the Police aware now? I hope so. Who would have called Air 1 and Stars?
Alot of things can be erased that should have been yellow taped right off the bat. Who was Mike's appointment that day when he sounded out of sorts, for an example? All his appointments needed to be looked at and also family interviewed as well as staff. This is getting more bizarre sounding by the minute.
Someone else made some comments and then withdrew them, about Sylvia's character. There comes a time when a person can't take domineering any longer and something gives. I guess since the business Mke created went up for sale so fast means someone is sure he isn't coming back. This is sounding like something out of an FBI/NCIS show.   
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 14, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
Factual information - When you  go to the  Edmonton Police directly to give information, that the Edmonton Police can verify to be factual information,  and they can decide for themselves if the information is helpful, the Edmonton Police have made statements, saying that there is no Missing Persons report on file for Mike Kozicki.
I find this to be very disturbing and left wondering what the heck is going on here.
Not sure if this is because they do not wish to investigate leads, or because Mike was born in Poland, and they are just not interested.
There is a difference when a person wants to provide information, versus asking for information.
Providing information to Police  is not a violation to any Privacy Laws in Canada.

I am very disappointed in the Edmonton Police Service.
Also why is this story not on the TV News Channels?


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 14, 2010, 03:45:16 PM
I would not be too disappointed with the police. When they are silent, that is good news. That means they are working on something.

The bridge would have multiple camera feeds, so anything that might have happened is on video probably from many angles.

Just the fact alone that no one has claimed this is solved, and it is almost a month later, IMO means there is a whole lot more to this story then the media or anyone else has published.

Myself included, something never felt right about this from the beginning, and it is comforting that others feel the same way. What though, will it turn out to be?

If this is murder. It is a clear 1st degree murder case. No parole for 25 years.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 14, 2010, 03:55:48 PM
Tanis, I agree with Chris.
If Police divulge what they know or think, it would likely jeopardize their investigations. Also since Mike is an adult they wouldn't divulge what they know.
Not long ago there was another case on here where an eastern man vanished. You tube and FB were set up to search for him. The man apparently contacted Police that he was safe and not ready to face whatever it was that caused his distress. Police there gave just the briefest news to family, that he was safe and no more as he is an adult. Further they contacted those who had a search via other means and asked that those be removed. Nothing more said.

So I don't think it's the case where Police are not involved, just that it's all confidential and Mike is an adult and investigations need to be quiet. jmho
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 14, 2010, 04:38:09 PM
I am very disappointed in the Edmonton Police, when you have information that may help  Police, and you go to see the Police, and they tell you there is not a Missing Person's file on Mike Kozicki, they may very well lose clues that may paint a different picture.
Again I will say giving information to any Police Officer, is not the same as asking the Police for information.

The newspaper article in the Edmonton Sun said to call the Edmonton Police, The Edmonton Sun provided the phone number, however someone has forgotten to tell the Edmonton Police.

Call or go to a Edmonton Police detachment and ask to speak to the investigating Police Officer and see first hand what their clueless response is.

A person may as well call 411 and get a wrong number.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: whispersoftly on December 14, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
If, infact, he did take off his clothes and left a note, add in what was said before that he left his glasses,wallet,cell phone in his vehicle . This has to be the most bizarre suicide situation that I have ever heard of..ever!
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on December 14, 2010, 06:16:32 PM

I guess, if he was naked, he didn't have anywhere to store his wallet, glasses, cell phone......

*shrugs*
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 15, 2010, 07:05:23 AM
http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/arts-entertainment/2010/12/02/high-level-s-morbid-legacy#comment-3118 (http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/arts-entertainment/2010/12/02/high-level-s-morbid-legacy#comment-3118)

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 15, 2010, 07:24:17 AM
THE HIGH LEVEL BRIDGE trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_PLNlqThAo#ws)

This Film Doc. has won a Film Award, it is 5 minutes in length, although this Youtube is just a shorter version.
Could be this Film maker would be a good person to chat with.
Also note the date it was posted.  (  Watch the weather conditions closely)
If you google about the HighLevel Bridge in Edmonton, comments say the water is shallow here, lots of mud, also velocity = more broken legs, back issues because the mud helps to break falls.

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 15, 2010, 09:07:38 AM
The water may not be deep or frozen, but it would still be too cold, and one would not survive long.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: D1 on December 15, 2010, 10:16:40 AM
 
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So . . . there are cameras on the bridge?

any on roads and stores at either end?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 15, 2010, 01:00:48 PM
SAP - what/who is LE?

Sorry. LE= Law enforcement (police).

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 15, 2010, 01:14:04 PM
That bridge...odd that the fencing/mesh doesn't go all the way across.    I know the Bloor St Viaduct in Toronto had to be meshed/fenced to discourage suicide....and it sounds like this High Level Bridge is a known suicide choice.

The car being left in the middle of the bridge makes me think that whoever left it there wanted it found real fast.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 15, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/arts-entertainment/2010/12/02/high-level-s-morbid-legacy#comment-3118 (http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/arts-entertainment/2010/12/02/high-level-s-morbid-legacy#comment-3118)

Is this article not a clue that was written in this paper.
Look at the (Name that wrote it)
Look at the date it was published.
There have been no other supposed reports of anyone jumping off of the bridge,  since the date first reported, however police have said two persons jumped, the same day, same location, one body was found, and it was not Mike Kozicki.
So is it not likely this gal was a witness,  that wrote this for the paper?
All a person has to do is go to a Registry Office and pull (Legal description of their buildings or property's) and also on these same documents, the Public can pull Mortgage Links info.
This info is not Private, but Public Info.
Anyone can do it, it will show who the Owners are.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: thesweethereafter on December 15, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
I know several people who dealt with Mike, and they speak of him highly.
They were not impressed by interacting with someone else however.
And, some prior posts sound very accurate according to what I heard first hand.
I'm wondering if somebody was just a stepping stone to success.
Hypothetically speaking, I know that if you love someone, and if, lets speculate, that one day you thought  they are pulling out, its devastating. Lost love, lost wealth, lost future.

Curious if somebody left their spouse for the current relationship or not. That would no doubt add insult and regret x 2, yes?

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 15, 2010, 04:39:23 PM
Response to your question, yes correct name.
Articles written in newspapers need to be in a week or so before deadlines of editing and printing, which would date back closer to the Mid November date.
Also this article in paper mentions, Police telling her about when a person commits suicide.
Likely, this is a witness the Police may have talked to, or may not have talked to.
Public knowledge of folks making statements about two persons jumping from the bridge, and only one body being located, which was not Mike's.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 15, 2010, 07:21:10 PM
Well there have been several comments made that don't make the Mrs. very appealing sounding even if she was beautiful. One comment was...starting as a receptionist and sleeping her way to the top...if marriages were broken due to this and the Mr. finally realized that old habits weren't so old and perhaps saw he was her last rung in this round...yet the way he went around it is quite bizarre. As simply a receptionist, she wouldn't have made such a bundle to spring a mortgage company, unless she took number 1 to the cleaners.
As far as the Mr. goes, an article claims his dtr won some acclaimed prize in Austria and it was for European girls, so did No 1 and dtr go back to Europe after the divorce?
For Sylvia, work apparently went on as usual, full swing, and selling the office rather quickly. Well what goes around usually comes around, sooner or later.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 16, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
I don't know where or how the rumour started that Mike took off his clothes and left them in the car, but I can assure you that this rumour is absolutely 100% false.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 16, 2010, 02:01:30 PM
It certainly didn't make sense if he did remove his clothes....In fact I was starting to think his disappearance was made to look like a suicide.   Thanks for clearing that up Insider1.

I will say one thing.....they made an odd couple, in my eyes.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 16, 2010, 02:42:50 PM
I'm not sure who Tandis spoke to at EPS, but perhaps they were un/misinformed because Mike is indeed the subject of an ongoing Missing Person investigation.

That fact was already posted on this forum - both in the original Sun article, as well as a follow-up, which was written because the original article was incorrect/misleading and police thought it would prevent people from coming forward as witnesses. 

The follow-up was posted on here by Anna on December 10, and includes a statement from the EPS spokesperson, Dean Parthenis:

There was a snippet in the Edmonton Sun about his disappearance on December 9th/10 ( Page 11)  I remember hearing about the abandoned Mercedes on the bridge that night ( On Edmonton Fire Radio)  Very strange disappearance! ( You have to wonder what transpired on that bridge that night... )

Help Sought

Jeff Cummings
Edmonton Sun

Edmonton City cops are asking the public's help in finding a well-known realtor who disappeared on Nov. 14.  Mike Kozicki, a 50 year old broker with Century 21 Royal Real Estate, was reported missing after police found his abandoned black 2008 Mercedes-Benz on the middle of the High Level Bridge that night. Dean Parthenis, a police spokesman says investigators are hoping to hear from any motorists who were on the bridge and may have seen "any unusual activity" that night. Police are asking witnesses to call 780-423-4567.  This case is considered to be non-criminal and it's still an active investigation, said Parthenis. Kozicki was named to the Edmonton Real Estate Board's elite  $ 10 Million club ( $10 Million in sales) in 1997. He was also named Century 21's top Canadian realtor in 1998.

jeff.cummings@sunmedia.ca

This is all that's been released. But I can confirm that his clothes haven't ben found (because he didn't take them off), and he is still Missing.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 16, 2010, 02:59:30 PM
On a side note, I agree with you, Jobo, that they made an odd couple. I also agree with all the other posters who have commented on Sylvia sleeping her way to the top (she started as his receptionist), her ugly temper, her business-as-usual attitude after his disappearance - including listing the recently renovated building his new brokerage is in a week after his car was found...the list goes on.

I know this has all been very hard on Mike's two children (his daughter, who was mentioned in the article, but also his son), and I'm sure they would appreciate privacy during this difficult time.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 16, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
Thanks for the information. So it is confirmed, this is a missing persons case, and thus far, it appears to be a suicide, but that is just speculation at this time.

He is missing, the police are still working on this, I hope it is solved soon.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 16, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
Welcome Insider 1 and thanks for the info.
From the very beginning some things did not sit right, starting from Sylvia being quoted as saying that Police called her at 9 PM to say Mike was missing and in her mind she went through 10,000 scenarios. Other comments made were that Mike's business day didn't end until way later. That is unusual that a person gets a call like that within 24 hours and if so it's done by person and not phone. I suppose it still all depends on what was on the note found. It takes awhile for an expert to determine if the writing was Mike's and whether he was co-erced to write the note.
Sylvia being the user she is, and selling the company so fast leads to a great deal of speculation. What I too worry about is a murder dressed up as suicide and not particularly by Sylvia...could be anyone with a jealous streak of Mike's successes by anyone. 

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 16, 2010, 07:04:17 PM
How could his wife just sell the company, that doesn't even sound legal to me. He was just reported missing and it is not even a month yet. This doesn't sound right, unless she was the sole owner of this business and only her name was on the title. His name could not have been on as part owner of this business. I worked in the court system a long time and I have never heard of anyone selling a property when a person has only gone missing for three weeks. One time it was seven years before you could do anything, but I don't know if that is the correct time now or not. It sure makes it look very suspicious related to Mrs. K. I don't know what to think about that, a very cold hearted person, I would say. We wouldn't be privy to the business end of it, that would be all private with the investigator of this case. Sure sounds off the wall to me. :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 16, 2010, 07:12:19 PM
If Mike's car was found in the middle of the bridge, and the police found a suicide note in it.....don't you think they would go straight to his wife?   Would they just phone her, when by all accounts it does look like a suicide from the first responders point of view.   Doesn't LE go straight to the person's home to deliver the news?    Or am I wrong.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 16, 2010, 09:39:28 PM
If Mike's car was found in the middle of the bridge, and the police found a suicide note in it.....don't you think they would go straight to his wife?   Would they just phone her, when by all accounts it does look like a suicide from the first responders point of view.   Doesn't LE go straight to the person's home to deliver the news?    Or am I wrong.

You aren't wrong Jobo. Police are usually very good about those kinds of things and come straight to the house.
With the vehicle in the middle of the bridge...isn't too clear either. Was it in the middle of two lanes of the bridge or halfway between the ends of the bridge?
Sylvia was quoted as saying for the past 3 weeks (after he went missing) she was watching the door thinking he would walk through at any time. Would she say that if she believed he committed suicide? We still don't know exactly what the note said. If he was forced to write a suicide note, forensics should be able to compare writing samples and find if he was under some kind of pressure or duress; and if he was forced to write a note, he would be smart enough to make some changes in style I would think.

Capeheart:
There is a mortgage co under Sylvia's name. Perhaps that company carried the mortgage on Mike's new building...but I don't know the legalities on that if she could sell his company...did she cancel the loan? It might be interesting to know who all had money invested in her company.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 17, 2010, 01:55:06 AM
I don't know where or how the rumour started that Mike took off his clothes and left them in the car, but as someone who has spoken to the two investigators (Cst. Jim Gurney and Cst. Sean Jenkinson) who are working on this Missing Persons case - I can assure you that this rumour is absolutely 100% false.

AS I SAID when I posted it, that it was rumor that this was the case. It was not confirmed information, just something that had been flying around the Real Estate Industry as a possibility.

I realize You said it was a rumor that had been floating around (and I, myself, had heard it was going around as well..so I was moreso wondering how such a rumor could have even started in the first place - especially since it isn't true). Unfortunately, it seemed to have gotten accepted as a fact on this forum by others, and even spread to the comments section of a Gateway article ("The High Level's morbid legacy"), which is why I thought it was time to step in and clear things up.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 17, 2010, 03:06:50 AM
Also, BB81 - I'm very sorry you lost your fiance in such a tragic way.

But thank you for providing us with insight into Sylvia's character - it's clear that your opinion of her is shared by many.

Your insight on the legality of her selling the business is also appreciated. Regardless of what the ownership details of it may be, one thing is certain: even though he has not been declared dead, she's definitely not wasting any time trying to sell off his business (which I'm sure we can agree Mike worked very hard to build up).

And I know Mike is well respected for his accomplishments in the real estate industry - it was his life. This situation is completely out of character for him, which only makes it more puzzling and difficult to comprehend. As people here share their "theories" on what they heard or think happened to him though, these theories often become rumours which end up reaching his loved ones - and that only makes this situation more painful for them. So while I completely agree we all want closure (and hopefully we get it soon), all I'm saying is that we also remember we're talking about a "real" person...and although he's Missing, he has two children who are able to read what you post about their father. So, for their sake, let's be respectful and not reduce this to a National Enquirer-type story.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2010, 07:29:06 AM
Insider1  I had said in a previous post that out of respect for the family, I would not be posting again on this thread.  You have tactfully put forward the concern of the feelings of the son and daughter, sometimes this is forgotten in the mix of things. . We tend to forget that this is the INTERNET, and anything said spreads throughout the cyber world and is difficult to get rid of. And I include myself as being guilty of this at times. Mikes finances? None of my business, nor to millions of others.  His relationships? None of my business, nor to millions of others. His religion? None of my business, nor to millions of others.
My sincere condolences to his son and daughter.  Hold your head up high, you had a wonderful father. Respected by all who knew him, and his contribution to the City of Edmonton was enormous, and his name was well known and respected to those who never met him.  We need more citizens like him.

Peace
JB



Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2010, 10:02:04 AM
Anrah:  Facts are inconsistent due to rumours and gossip, which are treated as"fact", which in turn creates a National Enquirer mentality. The man probably committed suicide.  And why he did, is none of my business. Remains are often not found for months.  The N. Sask river flows at 3-4 kms per hour. That is all that I will ever post on this topic. The family is not. obligated to come forward to give any reasons why, or to discuss their personal lives.  Suicide is a deeply personal affair to families, and conjecture  on other peoples part would be very hurtful to them.

I think the topic of suicide is a good topic to discuss, as we can learn alot about it, however it requires it's own thread would you not agree? Perhaps you may want to start a thread on this topic, as it would be very useful.  Thanks

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 17, 2010, 10:23:17 AM
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And I know Mike is well respected for his accomplishments in the real estate industry - it was his life. This situation is completely out of character for him, which only makes it more puzzling and difficult to comprehend. As people here share their "theories" on what they heard or think happened to him though, these theories often become rumours which end up reaching his loved ones - and that only makes this situation more painful for them. So while I completely agree we all want closure (and hopefully we get it soon), all I'm saying is that we also remember we're talking about a "real" person...and although he's Missing, he has two children who are able to read what you post about their father. So, for their sake, let's be respectful and not reduce this to a National Enquirer-type story.

Thank you for this Insider. I also agree and wish my best to Mike's children/family at this difficult time.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 17, 2010, 11:28:01 AM
Thank you, Insider. I'm along with JB, Carol-Lynn, and Debbie. If you wish that I remove any of my postings, please let me know.
I mean no disrespect to Mike or his children and wish them peace in this difficult time. My main concern is always the victim/s and because I  don't like to see someone getting away with wrong doing if that happened.  It breaks my heart when people feel they have no other recourse than S. I too will refrain from further speculation.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 18, 2010, 12:09:50 AM
I'm very sorry for his children too, and mean no harm. No one wants to upset them further. We'll remain respectful of the fact they could happen upon this site and read.

Mike is still missing. The police are asking for help. This means they are not ready to call it suicide yet. There are still questions that need answers, and even his loves ones will want to know those answers. Until this is solved, we should be open to any possibility, as more than one person here remains skeptical of what might have happened.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: scotsquine on December 18, 2010, 07:21:46 AM
I'm sorry for going off topic but I think a suicide thread would be very helpful.  I still struggle with the fact that my children's father shot himself this time of year 2 years ago.  A police officer called my daughter 21 when she was christmas shopping at Southgate Mall and told her dad killed himself.  Then she went on to call my 18 year old son at home and told him the same thing.  Shouldn't they have come to our house and delivered the news personally?  This still bothers me a great deal.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 18, 2010, 10:06:28 AM
I don't see how this can be called respectful without covering his finances, his relationships, very personal things indeed. Police will still have him on the MIssing Persons List until his remains are found. Albert Kunkel drowned (see his thread) and since his remains have not been found, he is considered Missing.  To my mind, that is all that it is. The City Missing Persons Unit are asking if anyone saw anything unusual on the High Level Bridge - and if so to call them.  That's it!
Venting personal feelings about his wife is not respectful, musing over his finances is not respectful, wondering why property is being sold at this early date, and conspiracy theories is not respectful.
In my opinion, I don't see how anything positive can be achieved. Ha I said that I would not be posting on this thread  again, and look at me -- SHEESH.

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 18, 2010, 12:04:21 PM
I think perhaps the family may in the end,  Be the Big Brother in this case.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 18, 2010, 01:16:49 PM
I'm sorry for going off topic but I think a suicide thread would be very helpful.  I still struggle with the fact that my children's father shot himself this time of year 2 years ago.  A police officer called my daughter 21 when she was christmas shopping at Southgate Mall and told her dad killed himself.  Then she went on to call my 18 year old son at home and told him the same thing.  Shouldn't they have come to our house and delivered the news personally?  This still bothers me a great deal.

That's an awful thing for your children to have to live with scots. In my opinion it is just plain wrong, the way it was done.

jellybean has started a thread for suicide and it's impact.
I've posted the link below.

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,4329.msg51566.html#msg51566 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,4329.msg51566.html#msg51566)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 18, 2010, 06:52:35 PM
Where are the clear reports stating the car was on the bridge, not by the police station, or the other way around. Why isn't just that fact being clarified?

I'm sorry, Ahnra, but I'm not sure how you think you will be able to solve this "mystery" on here (and think you can do a better job of it than EPS investigators) when you're not even keeping track of the Factual information that has been posted on this thread more than once.


There was a snippet in the Edmonton Sun about his disappearance on December 9th/10 ( Page 11)  I remember hearing about the abandoned Mercedes on the bridge that night ( On Edmonton Fire Radio)  Very strange disappearance! ( You have to wonder what transpired on that bridge that night... )

Help Sought

Jeff Cummings
Edmonton Sun

Edmonton City cops are asking the public's help in finding a well-known realtor who disappeared on Nov. 14.  Mike Kozicki, a 50 year old broker with Century 21 Royal Real Estate, was reported missing after police found his abandoned black 2008 Mercedes-Benz on the middle of the High Level Bridge that night. Dean Parthenis, a police spokesman says investigators are hoping to hear from any motorists who were on the bridge and may have seen "any unusual activity" that night. Police are asking witnesses to call 780-423-4567.  This case is considered to be non-criminal and it's still an active investigation, said Parthenis. Kozicki was named to the Edmonton Real Estate Board's elite  $ 10 Million club ( $10 Million in sales) in 1997. He was also named Century 21's top Canadian realtor in 1998.

jeff.cummings@sunmedia.ca

So to reiterate - Mike's car was NOT found near the police station downtown - that information was WRONG. That is why the police came forward and released the actual location his vehicle was found - "on the middle of the High Level Bridge" - in hopes that it would get any potential witnesses to come forward.

And as you see, Police have also said that "this case is considered to be non-criminal." So even though it may be hard to believe, and it may be more fun to play "detective" by coming up with conspiracy theories and taking rumours (like, for example, that he took off his clothes) for facts, I'm sure the police have their own "clues" (which you are by no means entitled to be informed about) which have led them to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 19, 2010, 11:39:20 AM
My response wasn't defensive, nor was I trying to be "right" or "in control." I'm sorry you see it like that. I was just trying to answer your question:
 
Where are the clear reports stating the car was on the bridge, not by the police station, or the other way around. Why isn't just that fact being clarified?(...) there seems to be little being done to clear up misconceptions or to set the search in a clearer direction - ie even, again, stating where the car, in fact, was found. Why isn't that cleared up by the police? Because it leads to the assumption of suicide and they don't want that discussed, so they kind of just lead the public along vaguely looking for clues? If it is assumed he killed himself because of various issues known to the family and because of the note, then maybe they should say something else vague about that.

I would think this key information of where his car was found (which, as you see, had been clarified by police) would be vital to keep in mind when contributing to a discussion of this case. Otherwise, you're just coming up with "10,000 scenarios" that have no factual basis.

Having said that, I completely agree with you that the initial Edmonton Sun article complicated the situation. Living up to its reputation as Edmonton's version of National Enquirer, it made this into a "mystery" with "10,000" possible answers, when in fact,  police had made it clear to Sylvia what the 1 "most likely" scenario was. So I don't know why she felt the need to give that interview and effectively mislead the public (maybe she wanted to illicit sympathy and not be blamed?). But by willingly putting herself in the public eye (i.e. she didn't have to agree to be interviewed), she also subjected herself to public scrutiny - and perhaps it was people's anecdotal evidence of her "difficult" personality and "unusual" behaviour after her husband's "disappearance" that made this case more suspicious.

I don't know why the Sun didn't do more fact checking (as there were multiple factual errors made in that article - the location of the car being the most important one) before running it. Regardless, the Sun's major screw-up forced police to step in and release the actual location.

Before that happened though, the damage had already been done - the public had been duped into coming up with all kinds of colourful theories (everything from Mike being forced out of his car at gunpoint, to a gang kidnapping him, and, of course, a staged disappearance). And I understand your need to do so - humans are curious craetures and we want to make sense of things.

However, in this case, I'm afraid only time will tell. And until Mike's body is found, the case will remain open.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 19, 2010, 05:20:47 PM
Perhaps some of these posts, are watered down from folks that have never met Mike, worked with Mike, or even knew Mike.
Comments being made by folks that have never met Mike, really don't help any ongoing investigations, if they are still going on?
The heart ache felt by Mike's children over this Christmas Season, and the not knowing, must be unbearable.
We wish Mike's children, hope and prayers at this time, we are thinking of you, and praying for hope & peace, and that Mike will be found, and any investigations will bring positive answers to what has happened.

Comments have also been made that Sylvia & Mike have not lived together for the last 7-8 months.

It is also noted this article of Mike, has not been on any television news stations, as well the Edmonton Real Estate Association has not done any story on the news channel.

So many folks seem to want this story put away, why is the Edmonton Real Estate Association trying to stuff this story away?

Also why was Mike removed this week as Vice President of the Edmonton Real Estate Association?

We knew Mike, and do not believe Suicide is a possibility.

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on December 19, 2010, 11:04:59 PM

What if Mike's disappearance was due to a witness protection program?

He had a "meeting" with the cops, wrote the "suicide" letter... end of story.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 19, 2010, 11:23:42 PM
Was Mike meeting with cops?? Wow! Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: RealtorChick on December 20, 2010, 01:17:42 AM
I had heard from very reliable and trusted sources (insiders to his personal and business life) that Mike had a bodyguard.  If this is truly the case, where is the bodyguard and what information does he have?  Why would Mike feel the need to have a bodyguard unless he felt threatened?  I know Mike (10 years), worked with Mike and I must re-iterate that this suspected suicide is COMPLETELY out of character for him.  He is a postive, caring and generous person, always supportive, never negative (as many agents/brokers can be) and is the consummate professional.  His disappearance has left me puzzled and suspicious.  He worked extremely hard for what he has, is a prominent and respected Real Estate professional.  There is a lot of strange things happening, with his successful Real Estate brokerage being closed, his building being sold, all within less than 2 weeks of his disappearance.  I truly hope that the police are doing a thorough investigation of the past 6-12 months to uncover clues to this un-characteristic disappearance. 

Maybe the poster "Mom" is on to something with the possibility of the witness protection program especially if the whole bodyguard thing is true.  Is this typical of someone going into the program to have them write a note to "appear" as though they have taken their life to end the connection to the crime for which they are a witness?

Why isn't the city plastered with posters of Mike as a missing person?  Why isn't the public being made aware of his disappearance with news articles in all the papers, TV and radio?   Why isn't there a Facebook and Twitter page committed to solving his disappearance?  Lastly, how the heck can someone park their car in the middle of the High Level bridge and there be NO witnesses?  That is one of the busiest connections to the southside of Edmonton and is heavily travelled at all times of the day/night and it's such a narrow bridge that certainly someone must have seen something if this truly happened.  Makes me more and more suspicious, especially if the police are seemingly treating his disappearance with such nonchalance and passiveness.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 20, 2010, 10:12:59 AM
I just had a brain flash on this. I wonder if the young woman that was murdered in Victoria was a victim of any of this mofia type real estate business. I vaguely remember something about her taking a trip somewhere, which I believe was Edmonton, before she was murdered. I would have to go back and read more. This is surely gangland style crimes. With all of this information, it wouldn't surprise me if Mike went underground to protect himself from harm. It is very surprising that he would have to have a body guard. I certainly extend my prayers to his family at this time for his safe return. And as most have stated here, it doesn't sound like he would be the type to commit suicide. He just may want to get a good night's sleep and feel some peace. Okay, those are my thoughts. Thanks for the link related to those firebombings, very interesting information. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 20, 2010, 11:02:37 AM
Comments have been made by Bill Smith (Former Edmonton Mayor) that Bill Smith was assisting Dan White of (Worthington Properties) to
acquire land holdings in Edmonton.
Bill Smith is on as a (Board of Director) for business organizations in the City of Edmonton, and was the person responsible for Dan White, successfully obtaining the building that burnt down.
It was mentioned to Bill Smith that Dan White was possibly in criminal activities and Bill Smith just laughed.

This boys club is more into turning heads while they make their money, legally, or otherwise.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 20, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
http://www.imperialequities.com/app/about.html (http://www.imperialequities.com/app/about.html)

Read the link above, and click on the (Board of Directors) Tab, and see who is on their Board.

Bill Smith, also had his office at this location, and while looking out of his window, the view is clearly the building Dan White, purchased.
Bill Smith really is proud of his assisting, rather chuckles about his success, in these deals.

Bill also has assisted Carma Land Developers in re-zoning the the land development known as "Summerside."
The community of Summerside was zoned in the past as "Industrial Lands."

Edmonton City Council was not for the re-zoning, however Bill Smith has commented that he met with councillors behind closed doors, after hours to help change their views, when Bill was working with Carma,  he was still also our Mayor of Edmonton.

Double dipping, trading in Real Estate without a Real Estate License.
Is that not against the Law?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 20, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
Capeheart:  You may be on to something.   The crime in Victoria sounds like it was pre-planned.  Organized.  The woman you are thinking about is Lindsay Buziak...24 years old....murdered  Jan.31/2008.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 20, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
http://www.imperialequities.com/app/about.html (http://www.imperialequities.com/app/about.html)

Read the link above, and click on the (Board of Directors) Tab, and see who is on their Board.

<snipped>

Double dipping, trading in Real Estate without a Real Estate License.
Is that not against the Law?


Only when they get caught. ;)

"Judges of the Provincial Court of Alberta are appointed by the provincial government pursuant to the Provincial Court Act."

This is why they are so seldom brought to Justice...there's enough crooked politicians in the pot.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 20, 2010, 07:54:18 PM
Jobo, thanks, I couldn't remember her name, but there could be something in that. And I will go back and read about her case when I have time. I am almost sure that it said she went on a trip not long before she was murdered. There seems to be a lot of criminal activity in the background related to Mike K.  :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 20, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
How awful to imply Mike Kozicki had any criminal activity going on, have you ever met Mike?
I'm sure you have no clue who this fine man is.

Mike is the man that has vanished, he was a hardworking man, well educated both as a Lawyer and as a Successful Realtor.

Your choice of words, are rather sickening, please reframe from saying such unfounded things.

Mike's children must feel so heart stricken, with the not knowing of what has happened to their father, without having to put up with reading such heartless comments.

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 21, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
I don't believe Capeheart meant anything negative on Mike, Tanis. There's always a possibility that clients and or other Realtor's associated to Mike have other connections that are less desirable and that Mike did not know about. (For example...those connected to the mortgage company, etc.)

No matter how well one thinks one knows a person either through work, social gatherings, etc or all instances, how well do we really know them? Mike was a human being, and as humans none of us are faultless. So unless any of you are Mike's conscience, you don't really know him that well, imo.

Capeheart was referring to a young Real Estate person that was murdered in Vancouver and I do think there was some involvement with individuals in Edmonton prior, and it would almost sound as though whatever went down was work similar to Meer and White dealings. I tried to find that link but was unable to; perhaps Cape will be able to remember the name.

eta: found it...

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2736.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2736.0.html)

On page one a few posts down, is a composite sketch of a suspect, a female with very prominent features and blonde hair.

Below in the article it states the cell phone used in this case of Lindsay, was purchased specifically for this case in 2007. It was a planned murder. The caller, a woman, had an accent.

http://www.saanichpolice.ca/crimewatch/media/08_2682Conference2010.html (http://www.saanichpolice.ca/crimewatch/media/08_2682Conference2010.html)

Kudos, Capeheart, for bringing it to attention. Perhaps police (Edmonton/Victoria) need to cross reference some aspects here.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 21, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
No one knows what has happened, to speculate about who Mike may have known, making idle comments that are not based on facts, will not help the Edmonton Police if they are investigating.

I will repeat again, comments like some of the comments posted, are from folks that did not know Mike, perhaps they are living out and posting thoughts here as away to make them selves feel important, cleaver, or useful.

None of our comments will help Police, unless someone on here actually witnessed what happened to Mike, or has information prior to Mike vanishing, about things pertaining to working with Mike's Real Estate Office, tempers, client contacts, etc.

I do feel Capeheart meant something with the comment that was posted, it also sounds like the two of you know each other.

If you continue to make these comments, I will have no problem contacting the Edmonton Police Service and asking them to look into this internet site, as you most likely know, ISP Address's can be confirmed.

Again please be thoughtful of Mike's children.

How would you feel if this was a site your children were reading?


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 21, 2010, 11:44:55 AM
No one knows what has happened, to speculate about who Mike may have known, making idle comments that are not based on facts, will not help the Edmonton Police if they are investigating.

If you check out any thread, on any other missing person, you will see speculations. Forum posters do that and if you think this is bad, you ought to educate yourself on other forums, especially American/USA forums where missing and crimes are discussed. This is NOTHING really.

I will repeat again, comments like some of the comments posted, are from folks that did not know Mike, perhaps they are living out and posting thoughts here as away to make them selves feel important, cleaver, or useful.

I will repeat what another poster said a few pages back...there are some that jumped on the bandwagon pretty fast to try and control this thread and do a little brainwashing besides. It's not about being clever, useful or important. It's about bouncing ideas off one another and possibly coming to some conclusions.
None of our comments will help Police, unless someone on here actually witnessed what happened to Mike, or has information prior to Mike vanishing, about things pertaining to working with Mike's Real Estate Office, tempers, client contacts, etc.

As I said before, on this type of forum speculations can run rampant at times. People who genuinely care want solutions, and speculate. If you don't like what you read, you can always take it up with Chris, the Admin.
I do feel Capeheart meant something with the comment that was posted, it also sounds like the two of you know each other.

Capeheart is from one end of the country and I am from the other end, and really what difference would it make if we did know one another?
If you continue to make these comments, I will have no problem contacting the Edmonton Police Service and asking them to look into this internet site, as you most likely know, ISP Address's can be confirmed.

Scare tactics? Why? This is very interesting! Indeed!You and Insider have been trying to control this thread, more or less on the basis of the children and what if they read here. The children are late teens and early 20's? I think they know well enough to not read where they don't feel to, at that age. It isn't the 'children' you both are concerned about at all, is it?
Again please be thoughtful of Mike's children.

How would you feel if this was a site your children were reading?

I think most adults are ok with this site, and even the 'children'...I doubt they are googling.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: tanis on December 21, 2010, 12:31:31 PM
Very disappointing that you feel insider and I are controlling.
Very interesting you saying Capeheart is from the east.
Very sad that other's feelings and knowledge of Mike Kozicki are taken as controlled information.


And very interesting that you feel other's are not as educated.
Also very interesting that you feel the Edmonton Police should not be made aware of everyone's comments that are posted, and perhaps investigate.
Does the fact that ISP address's can be traced, leave  you feeling nervous?

I will gladly place the call, anything to help Mike, or his children, and the Police, is something that is not to be considered a scare tactic, more a duty that I feel, that may  help clear some of these sad comments.

Please consider this done.

In respect to Mike's children, I will no longer comment here, I only did so as I was frustrated when I went to the Police and the officer working, did not know Mike Kozicki was missing.
Comments on here have stated now who the Police Officer's are that are working  on this file, so now I have the correct information of who the Police Officer's are.

P.S. While reading this poem, there is a lot of wisdom in this writing, may be well worth everyone's while to not just read it, but over this Christmas season, and through out 2011, put these words in positive practice.
------------------
Gossip Corner

Do you have a gossip corner inside your home
A place to spread rumors or create your own
A place where prattle can be spread around town
A place that allows others to drag someone down

Unfounded gossip can travel in many directions
Overcoming obstructions and evading correction
It can negate happiness and put sorrow in its place
It can erase a smile and put tears on someone's face

Smearing others and tarnishing their reputations
Should be left to those of a younger generation
We who are older and are supposed to be mature
Should not abet in spreading this kind of manure

Quell the gossip that tries to enter into your home
Do not give it more legs on which to further roam
Replace it with mentions of truly honorable deeds
And demonstrate to others your personal integrity



Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: ikshar on December 21, 2010, 12:34:39 PM
I've been creeping for sometime as I am captivated by this missing person story that NO ONE knows is missing..As the media is doing nothing to convey it as a missing persons case... So why NOT be interested in it.
Amateur sleuths are what the world is about, a sounding board is what this forum is..
I know some extremely Polish people who said that Mike was a very recognized Polish person who did alot for the community including the church.
YET most of the Polish community has not even heard that he is missing...

I have to agree with what SAP just wrote in regards to Tanis...

One---Scare tactics, why would we be afraid of the EPS for having a forum of sleuthing and a sounding board of theories...Really, are they going to be concerned with our talks? I hope not, as it appears the city has its hands full with legitimate crime.  We are NOT doing anything unlawful by discussing this or any other case.

Two---Adults have the right to read or not to read something...This includes Both YOU Tanis and YOU Insider....


Again, is merely my two cents, but this is certainly one of those cases that will intrigue those that know about it...
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: ikshar on December 21, 2010, 12:36:51 PM
PS I am not intimidated by ISP tracking as once again I will state..nothing unlawful is being done here..
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 03:09:25 PM
Shady Real Estate has been posted under General.  Perhaps some of the comments made on this thread regarding such deals can be moved to this topic? - I don't know.  It is up to Chris & the rest of the posters. It is easy to go onto another subject on a thread, that is related only in a very small way, and not having anything to do with the victim.  It happens from time to time. A subject within a subject.
Peace on Earth, Goodwill Toward Men.
JB


And to those of us who do not celebrate Xmas, have a Happy Holiday. Let us hope that 2011 is a good year for all of us.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 06:06:21 PM
I'm not really sure this fits here, but having been politically incorrect, my entire life, I don't care.
I take a certain amount of satisfaction, being able to read other peoples thoughts and opinions on this site. It's one of the few that appears decent and polite, with not too much mud being slung. It's important that people, especially those with a direct connection to a crime or tragic occurrence, have a place to vent their thoughts and opinions. Like almost every topic these days however, emotions can and do become heated. It appears to me, that this happens most often in threads, when someone speculates and/or hypothesises. While I'm sure the writer doesn't generally intend to upset anyone, the person who is directly connected feels intimidated or insulted. If you had a close buddy or relative involved in a tragedy that you wanted to discuss, and someone unwittingly makes a quasi accusation, of course you will be upset. Take a moment when writing the speculation, and determine if perhaps it appears that you accusing an innocent person of something untoward. In this thread for example, EPS has indicated it is not investigating a crime. Enough said on that angle then. We may have an opinion about what is being sold or not, and what we know of the timing, but REALLY, this is not the place, and the info is not OUR business.

Let me let you all in on a case I had the opportunity to work on a number of years ago. I think you may see some similarities. When you finish reading it, respond here and I'll let you in on the result.

I was asked to take my dive team to the site of a suicide. On the edge of an intake, at a well known dam, was a gentlemans vehicle. On the passenger seat was neatly folded his dress shirt and tie. On the drivers seat, were his specs and wallet. Taped to the steering wheel was a note of apology and family goodbyes. At the time the vehicle was left, the intake impellers were not running, and the blades were only turning via water flow. On the downside of the intakes, there was a channel about 300 yards long and 25 yards wide. At the far end, were  grates and spill gates, with only very small openings. There was also a very large pile of dead fall and logs underneath the grates, to a depth of about 16 feet. The dive team searched all day. Speculation was rampant about what happened to the poor sole, not only by police and family but everyone else involved. The victim, was well known to police for his connections to crime figures.

Well?


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 06:40:11 PM
Ok, I'll bite. (Gosh darn it Bestcho...I'm not any good at this, but I can guarantee you I'll now be thinking about it over and over and over... lol) My first thought is if his shirt and tie are in the front seat and neatly folded, while his glasses and wallet are on the driver's seat...he obviously has a thing about getting his items wet, so....what did he do with his pants, socks and shoes?  He wouldn't dare go in the water with those on as well, would he? What happened to the poor "sole," indeed.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 06:54:45 PM
I agree with Concerned.  It would appear that he only took off half of his clothes.  My feeling is that a person would usually take them all off or leave them all on. Since he taped his suicide note to the steering wheel, he certainly wanted to  make sure that the note was front and center. To make sure that it was found, and when discovered would conclude it was a suicide.  Since his body was not found in the reservoir,  and in his case being part of a criminal element, this was possibly a set up.
There - I fell for it.  Unlike the reservoir, the N. Saskatchewan river is a different element.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 21, 2010, 07:06:09 PM
Bestcho:   Too set up for my liking..If anything, why not put the note in your wallet to preserve it better? (if you really wanted your loved ones to read it).  And no body?   Shouldn't have been hard to find if the guy went in the water there.   

So....where is he?   ;)     
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 07:09:25 PM
we'll wait for a bit for a few others to reply. back to you in an hour or so.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 07:12:35 PM
Bummer... at least on TV it is solved in 30 minutes!  (ok...ok...patience : )
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 21, 2010, 07:17:53 PM

......ok bestcho, my guess is, is that you are trying to tell us something.... Things may not always be as they appear.........but sometimes they really are.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 07:31:23 PM
Or he could have walked away to some secluded place and shot himself. LOL.  Just covering all of the bases.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 07:36:34 PM
Maybe he fell in the water as he was taking his pants off...
Did you look in the trunk?
Was he the one that called you to the scene, and was he watching from the sidelines?
Was the handwriting analyzed to be his? If so, could it have been written under duress?
Was this a drill, for practice purposes only?  Did this man really exist? Was he really missing? Was he amongst the onlookers?
Was he in the witness protection program?
Did he have a girlfriend? Debt? Failed relationship? 
Did anyone check at his home or work to see if he was there? If he actually exists?
What did the note say...
Did he not want to pay his car payment?
Did you try to call his cell phone? Did he answer?  ;D  GPS anyone?
What makes you think he went in the water?
Check the land around the area?
When was he last seen? Where? By who? When was the car found? Like, was it his car? Last seen point?
Any video cameras around?

When did he last eat? How much does he weigh?
Was there a reason why the intake impellers were not running?
How fast does the water flow?
How deep is the water?
Temp of the water?
Temp of the air?
Visibility?
Last seen point?
Last known activity? (Besides folding clothes and writing notes)
Was he a swimmer or a non-swimmer?
Where are the deep pools in the body of water?
Check the natural entrapments, or just note them?   :o
Where is the nearest shore to get out of water?
Where is the nearest land "point of attraction?  ???

Did a non-relative he dated sell off all his stuff as soon as the phone call came in?

Anyone check the girlfriend's house? The dog house? The boyfriend's house?
Maybe he just didn't want to go into work that day.
Changed professions.
Didn't want to buy anyone Christmas gifts.
Or, maybe he did and they didn't like them.   ;)
.... what time of year was this again?
Like, was it iced over?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Oh Concerned, you have me in stitches. Perhaps he had a falling out? Were there any witnesses- perhaps a goon or better yet, his mistress? Maybe he was only kidding???? Was it viewed as being accidental by  law enforcement?- In other words "He didn't mean to do it"
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
u guys are killin me  LOL. keep tryin
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 21, 2010, 07:52:49 PM
I actually think it was set up to look like suicide.   The guy disappeared to the sunny south, to start a new life.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Were there Missing Persons Posters put up???  :PWere people asked by law enforcement to check in their back yards?  ha ha ;) Was it really his shirt and tie, or someone else,s? - Perhaps the shirt and tie belonged to his wife? Will we ever know??? Let's see what floats to the top.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 08:04:34 PM
Anyone checking his bank account activity?
Last business deals?

Was this a diversion for activity across town?
Check for footprints in the sand or snow?
Did he try to do this before?
On meds? Off meds? Time for meds?
Check the backseat?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 08:06:50 PM
How about checking under his car? :-\ Did you have go back a second day and look under that fallen debris.  Did law allow you to dive down and check out the fallen debris, or did they have yellow tape around that? ::)
Did the cops use his cell phone to notify his mistress/wife/or whatevers that he took a dive? 8) Only kidding .......
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
Any, ahhh, witnesses?

By any chance, did the LE just think the divers needed something to do that day?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 21, 2010, 08:18:42 PM
Very disappointing that you feel insider and I are controlling.
Very interesting you saying Capeheart is from the east.
Very sad that other's feelings and knowledge of Mike Kozicki are taken as controlled information.


And very interesting that you feel other's are not as educated.
Also very interesting that you feel the Edmonton Police should not be made aware of everyone's comments that are posted, and perhaps investigate.
Does the fact that ISP address's can be traced, leave  you feeling nervous?

I will gladly place the call, anything to help Mike, or his children, and the Police, is something that is not to be considered a scare tactic, more a duty that I feel, that may  help clear some of these sad comments.

Please consider this done.

In respect to Mike's children, I will no longer comment here, I only did so as I was frustrated when I went to the Police and the officer working, did not know Mike Kozicki was missing.
Comments on here have stated now who the Police Officer's are that are working  on this file, so now I have the correct information of who the Police Officer's are.

P.S. While reading this poem, there is a lot of wisdom in this writing, may be well worth everyone's while to not just read it, but over this Christmas season, and through out 2011, put these words in positive practice.
------------------
Gossip Corner

Do you have a gossip corner inside your home
A place to spread rumors or create your own
A place where prattle can be spread around town
A place that allows others to drag someone down

Unfounded gossip can travel in many directions
Overcoming obstructions and evading correction
It can negate happiness and put sorrow in its place
It can erase a smile and put tears on someone's face

Smearing others and tarnishing their reputations
Should be left to those of a younger generation
We who are older and are supposed to be mature
Should not abet in spreading this kind of manure

Quell the gossip that tries to enter into your home
Do not give it more legs on which to further roam
Replace it with mentions of truly honorable deeds
And demonstrate to others your personal integrity





Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
I covered that concerned; re witness.under goons or mistress. ;D
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
Er, I think maybe we are getting off topic. It is great to relieve the tension though.  No harm intended.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
Oh, sorry jellybean for the repeat  :-[ lol   
Anyone check his computer? His correspondence? Who was he last with? Has her purchased any tickets out of town lately? Researched any particular way of ending life? Of living life, differently?
Just get a medical diagnosis that wasn't good?
Owe anyone?
Does the spouse or significant other have plane tickets out of the country?
Bruises on their persons?
Gamble lately?
Own any weapons? Are they missing?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
Jellybean, we are off topic, but I think Bestcho may have a point he is trying to lead us to.

In the meantime, while reading his response, it occurred to me that the purpose of the threads is to theorize. To help solve. To care. To want a safe environment. To prevent from happening again. To make sure no further harm comes to his children or family.

What I find odd about this thread, is why people would be upset that people are concerned about this fine and upstanding realtor. I would think more people would be concerned with what happened and why, then if no one cared at all.

SAP may have a point, is it about worrying about the family or keeping people from speculating?

Bottomline, this case is unsolved. The public has a right to know about the safety of their neighborhoods, the welfare of their business men and women, and about situations where people are either harmed, missing or have passed in unusual circumstances. 

I think everyone wants to learn what they can that will help this from happening again.

I think there are a lot of people that care about Mike Kozicki, his family and his friends. Hopefully, no enemies.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 08:35:48 PM
Was there any flippers and snorkel wear missing from his trunk? :P
Oops sorry, I pressed the post button, when concerned posted first.  My flippant comments about flippers, belongs on the mystery given to us by betshko.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
...Bestcho done taking a nap yet?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jobo on December 21, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Just for the record...I agree with you SAP.   No one means harm on this site when trying to figure out what happened in a mystery such as the disappearance of Mike Kozicki.   I don't think the cops really care too much about what we are saying here....but if they read this site...good.   If I had a loved one missing/murdered I would never want people to give up.   You just never know.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
That makes sense in her ability to sell it. See?  A simple common sense solution to one of the questions asked.  This happens alot in business.  It is legal, and is quite common. Also, I did not think that the police would phone her, but would go to her home and tell her.  This is not always the case.  Check out Scotsquine, who posted on this thread.  In her case,the police called her daughter and then called her son. So, yes they do call. (much to my surprise)
Also, we went off topic when we included shady real estate deals, and all of that.  And to correct something re: the first report that the car was found parked in front of the police station, I posted that maybe they called  him in to answer some questions. Which made sense at the time.  However, the Edmonton Sun got it screwed up, his car was found in the middle of the High Level Bridge.  However somehow this post of mine planted some thoughts in a possible shady direction.  I can see how easy it is with a newspaper article stating wrong facts, and how the whole thing gets blown out of proportion. Eek it grows its own legs.



Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 09:16:33 PM
yes there was a point. And Concerned nailed it. But this was a real case we were on. Apparently, its not unusual for unfortunates to tidy up. wallet in order, specs etc. Yes, his bank  accounts were tracked. No unusual activity. His wife also sold the business. She simply knew nothing about it, and couldn't run it. Nothing nefarious was apparent. We searched for two days, in a fairly small area. Though not impossible, the likelyhood of him being there was slim. Never the less, it was finalized that he was deceased. There was no mention after that. Not by the police or anyone else. The case simply ended.

But it didn't.



About two years later, a person who was from Alberta, and from the same town, was working a cruise ship in the Mediterranean, as a black jack dealer. YUP. There he was, playing cards. All the speculation.   doesn't matter.  Case closed.


A lesson learned perhaps?..........for all of us?


I wish you all, a very safe, healthy, and Merry Christmas. Even if that too is politically incorrect. I don't care.


Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 09:22:10 PM
Bestch;  Time will tell, it often does, if this is the case with Mike Kosticki

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: elmo on December 21, 2010, 09:28:41 PM
The brokerage is closed for business as of yesterday and some realtors from the office left for another Century 21 brokerage on the southside whereas others decided to leave for any other brokerage of their choosing. I know from speaking directly to one of those realtors that left for a different brokerage that Silvia was trying to get money out of that person for any account balance that he or she still owed the brokerage. I guess she got over her grief pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 09:34:44 PM
One cool cookie.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 21, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
I was kind of thinking on the same lines, Bestcho. Wouldn't it rather stink to be in hiding all the time in this day and age of advanced technology? Eye recognition. Geo stamped photography. Cell phones with cameras. GPS. The need for stellar identification of nationality. Detectives and recognizance. I would hope that people wouldn't all tend to think what a wonderful life this would be...if hiding and away from friends and family that have loved you the most your entire life.

In today's world. Just having had one picture up on Facebook, properly identified makes it very hard to travel through mass transit systems, as an alias. Search engines will be able to put all your photos together in one accessible cesspool shortly. This will make it hard for anyone to get too far away from any online sleuth, with nothing more than a computer and some time.

Hopefully, nobody will be looking for these types of individuals for anything with big stakes (owed money, crimes, misdeeds, vendettas, failed investments, etc.) because the world is a different place with less and less hiding places. If someone just wants to disappear and escape life.... well, it devastates those they leave behind. In gut-wrenching, life-changing ways.

My thoughts are with his children, parents, and all those that may have innocently unconditionally loved him and who just may spend their entire lifetimes looking for a person that didn't give a shit about their feelings. How very sad that would be, if that was the case.

I hope this case isn't so cruel.

Bestcho....that was an awesome exercise. Thanks.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 09:55:46 PM
reply 197.   yes , I was trying to lead. But only to suggest another angle. I SO admire and appreciate opinions. My only point was to ask you all to   THINNK TWICE. ACT ONNCE. Not to lead you all to conclusions. That can only be done with facts. Sorry. Feeling philosophical today
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 21, 2010, 10:09:16 PM
Bestcho; Give us a break,some of us did think that the mystery man's suicide was staged. ;D

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on December 21, 2010, 10:27:58 PM

I still believe he has been relocated to the witness protection program.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 10:30:41 PM
YUP. But think about everything you thought about. I didn't lead you there. You did. THATS THE POINT
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 21, 2010, 10:31:02 PM
People out there who knew Mike are talking in bits and pieces and it was mentioned today that several months before Mike disappeared he put the business and building in Sylvia's name which is why she can sell it. That may or may not be true, but it apparently came from someone in the know, but there are a lot of apparently in the know comments. It was preplanning of some kind, apparently.

It would have to be. Otherwise she could not sell it until a death certificate was issued and estate discharged.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 10:33:51 PM
conspiracies are a stretch Mom.. and even if thats the case.....we'll never know
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 21, 2010, 10:34:36 PM
I sitll do not buy the suicide story thus far. Maybe suicide because of fear from something, but I never had felt everything was as it appears about this case from day 1.

I do not think anyone is associating Mike with crime. He could have been being squeezed by criminals? A family member might have been involved in something. There are numerous things that could be at play here.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 21, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
yes . 214 to JB. 216 to Mom
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on December 22, 2010, 12:23:31 AM
SAP, I'm really curious what made you shift from this seemingly respectful and compassionate message below...
Thank you, Insider. I'm along with JB, Carol-Lynn, and Debbie. If you wish that I remove any of my postings, please let me know.
I mean no disrespect to Mike or his children and wish them peace in this difficult time. My main concern is always the victim/s and because I  don't like to see someone getting away with wrong doing if that happened.  It breaks my heart when people feel they have no other recourse than S. I too will refrain from further speculation.
...to then starting to attack me and Tanis?

<snipped>
I will repeat again, comments like some of the comments posted, are from folks that did not know Mike, perhaps they are living out and posting thoughts here as away to make them selves feel important, cleaver, or useful.

I will repeat what another poster said a few pages back...there are some that jumped on the bandwagon pretty fast to try and control this thread and do a little brainwashing besides. It's not about being clever, useful or important. It's about bouncing ideas off one another and possibly coming to some conclusions.
SAP, I "jumped" on this "bandwagon" to clear up a rumour which was then running rampant, one which I knew to be false. I also wanted to remind people of the Facts of this case, which were released/posted, but yet had somehow been "forgotten." I also pointed out that Mike has two children, and the potential impact on them of some of the insinuations which have been posted here. While some people could see how that would be hurtful, others did not..and since then, the posts have taken a random turn. One of the Admin's even messaged me and said "people are not making any sense anymore."

So here are the Facts once more:

FACT: Mike's car was found abandoned on the middle of the High Level Bridge on Sunday, November 14th.

FACT: Mike's clothes were not in the vehicle

FACT: The police have asked anyone who may have seen anything "unsual" on the bridge that night to come forward

FACT: The police are not treating this case as suspicious or criminal

While all signs point to the obvious (and that's what the police believe happened after investigating), it's also a fact that anyone who knew Mike would attest that he is one of the last people they would expect to commit suicide. And until he/his body is found, we won't know 100% that that is what happened. However, as plausible as all the scenarios were that everyone mentioned in tonight's little game, only time will tell.

But I really don't understand how bringing these facts back to the forefront (something for which you thanked me for) now constitutes "brainwashing" and "controlling."


<snipped>
If you continue to make these comments, I will have no problem contacting the Edmonton Police Service and asking them to look into this internet site, as you most likely know, ISP Address's can be confirmed.

Scare tactics? Why? This is very interesting! Indeed!You and Insider have been trying to control this thread, more or less on the basis of the children and what if they read here. The children are late teens and early 20's? I think they know well enough to not read where they don't feel to, at that age. It isn't the 'children' you both are concerned about at all, is it?
Again please be thoughtful of Mike's children.

How would you feel if this was a site your children were reading?

I think most adults are ok with this site, and even the 'children'...I doubt they are googling.

One child is early 20's, the other is 15. Why wouldn't they be googling? And if they know this is out there, can you really expect them not to read it? Put yourself in their shoes and think about how you would feel.

If the LE didn't know Mike was missing, I guess they wouldn't be interested in my IP either. I could save them the bother and send them all the particulars if you wish.
First trying a scare tactic and then belittling with calling me a gossip tells me more about you than me, sorry to say.
I'm calling a bluff...it's not about Mike's 'adult children' at all.



The "LE" do know Mike is missing.

And if our concern is not about Mike's 'adult' children..then what is it about, SAP? Please tell us the conspiracy theory you've managed to conjure up about us.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 22, 2010, 12:56:07 AM
One thing I don't want to rule out, that I believe would be cause for concern, is that we are seeing more and more business people murdered. And, it concerns me when three of the recent cases. There was a lady found in a home she was showing, her boyfriend went to the house when she was off schedule. The investor that had the up and coming business dealings. The truck salesman. The guy found in a field (can't remember his profession).  It would be interesting to go back and find these listings and what province they are in. It seems odd to me that people are missing from their jobs, mostly from sales jobs.

However, that would not explain why only a few months ago titles etc. would be transferred months prior to the disappearance.  If this is found to be true, then I would question why he didn't just sell it off when he had the chance? Was money owed? Was he in some type of a tough spot?  Once everything was transferred, it concerns me if he went missing. Especially if it wasn't voluntary.

Isn't it odd that if he has children in their late teens and early 20's that he would put these items in other people's names? Why aren't the kids protected?

Could he have thought something might happen to him so to protect himself, transfer to someone else. If so, are they protected from harm?

There are a lot of questions, not answered.  Nor will we be privy to those items, in all likelihood. 

Everyone usually gets out their posse, posters and all when a loved one is missing.

Something about this case is odd.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on December 22, 2010, 01:03:23 AM
Yes, I made that post and felt that way until the ad hominem attacks began on us. I'm not going back to quote any replies. All the personal attacks are still there. Those are what I reacted to. It's a harsh world out there, and the sooner any kids learn that, the better they may be prepared to face it.


eta: Reread your posts and those of Tanis... If those aren't personal attacks begun by the both of you, then what exactly are they?

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 22, 2010, 01:17:01 AM
Locked for 1 day so I can review.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on December 22, 2010, 12:18:50 PM
There is nothing wrong with reasonable speculation, nor is there anything wrong with not believing this case is at it appears. I'm skeptical too. Mike was a good honest person, we hear that a lot. No one is suggesting he himself was up to anything wrong.

This is a discussion forum. People discuss things. I know it is sad, and the kids are probably traumatized by this event, that does not however mean citizens should keep opinions to themselves.

The folks who use this site regularly have lots of experience in seeing how things are portrayed one day, and then the next, it changes. They are not conspiracy theorists.

So let's respectfully disagree, keep in mind Mike's solid reputation, be mindful friends and family might read this, and all hope everything can be settled soon.

Thanks to everyone who contributes here.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: ikshar on December 22, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
From my friend who is heavily in the polish community..at this time (as i mentioned before) much of the community is unaware that he is missing...And she spoke to her family in Poland who are very in touch with Older edmonton Polish as well as with many canadian/polish within Poland... And even they over in Poland had heard nothing of him missing.....
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 22, 2010, 04:16:34 PM

From my friend who is heavily in the polish community..at this time (as i mentioned before) much of the community is unaware that he is missing...And she spoke to her family in Poland who are very in touch with Older edmonton Polish as well as with many canadian/polish within Poland... And even they over in Poland had heard nothing of him missing.....

I'm curious about that statement ikshar. Are you saying that no one in Poland knows Mike is missing? Do you know if he has any family there?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: ikshar on December 22, 2010, 04:38:06 PM
I can only speak of the town in which her family lives. Her parents lived here in Edmonton for sometime, but went back home to Poland about 12 years ago..So they knew Mike, the entire Polish community knows of Mike..  But she did call them and ask if they had heard anything over there...If anyone knows the Polish, they are very informative and curious people and dare I say very prone to conspiracies.. ((don't even get me started on the polish plane crash in Russia this past summer that had the entire polish government and military heads aboard.....lol))  Anyway, the town in which they are from, they had not even heard Mike was missing... And her parents then contacted some people here in Edmontons Polish community who also hadn't heard.. Her dad is keeping his ears open over there, as they have family spread across Poland..I asked that they keep me posted if they hear any rumblings.....
Again, these people are not the entire Polish community..But this is what I have been told..

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 22, 2010, 08:43:34 PM
Thank you Ikshar for your posting.  And thank your friend who has taken the trouble to contact her home town.  Very thoughtful of you, and your friend.  It is much appreciated.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on December 22, 2010, 10:16:50 PM

I still believe he has been relocated to the witness protection program.

Mom, why do you think Mike has been relocated to the witness protection program? His car wasn't found at the police station. He didn't have a meeting with police or get called in to answer questions. But the police did release the following information (see below) in hopes that witnesses would come forward. So if they were complicit in his "staged" disappearance (to the Witness Protection Program, as you believe), why would they take it upon themselves to ask the public for help?

There was a snippet in the Edmonton Sun about his disappearance on December 9th/10 ( Page 11) (...)Help Sought

Jeff Cummings
Edmonton Sun

Edmonton City cops are asking the public's help in finding a well-known realtor who disappeared on Nov. 14.  Mike Kozicki, a 50 year old broker with Century 21 Royal Real Estate, was reported missing after police found his abandoned black 2008 Mercedes-Benz on the middle of the High Level Bridge that night. Dean Parthenis, a police spokesman says investigators are hoping to hear from any motorists who were on the bridge a may have seen "any unusual activity" that night. Police are asking witnesses to call 780-423-4567.  This case is considered to be non-criminal and it's still an active investigation, said Parthenis. Kozicki was named to thEdmonton Real Estate Board's elite  $ 10 Million club ( $10 Million in sales) in 1997. He was also named Century 21's top Canadian realtor in 1998.

jeff.cummings@sunmedia.ca


@Insider1 - my theory of Mike entering the witness relocation program fits nicely with quite a few insights "people in the know" have reported about Mike.  The perspective from my comfy armchair is that Mike was a wonderful man and a hard worker.  From the sounds of it, Mike may not have had a happy home life behind closed doors and because of his business contacts and transactions, I am surmising, he may have been exposed to (or became privvy to) corrupt activities.

Perhaps an opportunity presented itself that he could exchange his existing life for confidential information.  It could have been with the RCMP, the FBI, or InterPol.... for all we know.  (NOT aliens from outer space though.... that's a bit whacky).  And so, to answer your question about why the Edmonton City cops are asking for the public's help.....  because they probably doing their job!  A person is missing - they're looking.  I don't know for certain, but I would SERIOUSLY DOUBT that the Local Police would be informed of a witness relocation - too many opportunities for a "leak".  From what I know of the program, it's all built on the secrecy, trust and integrity.

We know the relocation program exists..... obviously the participants in it are "missing" from somewhere.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 23, 2010, 10:12:16 AM
To clarify things in my mind, I called up the Edmonton Journal today, and spoke to a reporter in the news room.  I asked her why the Edmonton Journal has not covered the missing of Mike Kozicki. She explained to me,  they do not report suicides. She said that when police believe that a person is missing, they turn to the newspaper, and that is when the newspapers run a story.
I then recalled that : Mike's wife went to the Edmonton Sun, not the other way around. The reporter gave me a recent example of a story of a missing person where they ran the story, because the police went to them and said look, this person is missing.They also went to the Edmonton Sun.  So in the scheme of things that is the procedure.  Suicides are not reported by major newspapers.  Missing persons are.  Hope this explains why no reports have been put out, and at the very least it is helpful  in knowing how it works with our Law Enforcement in Edmonton. And in my case, this procedure is good to know for my future reference.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 23, 2010, 06:36:37 PM
As I thought previously, JB has confirmed what I had posted a ways back. In answer however, Ahnra, just because the police believe there is no crime and the likelihood is a suicide, that does not stop the investigation. They will still look through the facts and evidence thoroughly. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, most Polish people are Greek Orthodox. A very stoic and traditional form of Catholicism. I can full understand this case being handled the way it is.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Concerned on December 23, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
I've read where those that commit a suicide, that take the time to fold clothes neatly, and leave a note, usually tell authorities where they can be found. As, they are showing signs of consideration and not wanting to trouble the authorities. If this was a suicide chances are he would have done it in a way that would have led authorities to him.

Because the set up was so obvious, because the arrangements were made in advance to place his "business" in another's hands, and because the family is so quiet, my red flags are flying.  I've had suicide in my family. I understand a family's need for privacy and that it may bring on shame to some degree, amongst sadness.

But I've never seen a family so quiet about it before. Suicide, like any type of death is very, very difficult. Usually someone makes a family statement. Usually family is so devastated that they really wouldn't think about selling off the business before dust is on the memorial service.

No one has written the book on how something like this is to go. But, I believe it is not at all what we can imagine it to be.

Regardless of the situation at hand, the fact is there is no body that has been found that identifies him. So, the authorities will spend many, many hours on this case for a long time to come. Good citizens will care. Communities will grieve. I would personally like to say that 1) if a person is going to commit suicide, 2) if a person is going to stage their disappearance, or 3) if a person just wants to run away... this way of doing it would be cruel to family, to good-hardworking LE whose efforts should be spent on finding those that need to be found and that still can be found, and to all those missing that are desperately crying (literally) to be found before it is too late.

This is not a game. This is real life. And, something about this doesn't add up. If the family is really not in the know, my heart goes out to them, as this journey is cruelly life-altering. Please people think before you put others through this, for whatever reason.

And, as a side note, I sincerely hope that this exercise did not give someone else out in the community the idea that they would like to end their life in suicide, too. These are vulnerable times around the holidays. I would hate to think if this was somehow staged, how others still may be influenced or affected by it. A shame, in so many tragic ways.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 24, 2010, 12:57:59 PM
Right on Concerned :) Rumour has it that he left a suicide note.  In his case, he did not have to tell anyone where he could be found.  He left his car on the bridge where he jumped. Recall MJ?  In this case,  it began as a Missing Person. The police went to the press, help find so and so, I will not use the name out of respect for the family.  Posters were put up, etc.  In the end, it was a suicide,  by jumping into the N. Sask river.   The flow of the river is 3-4 km's per hour. Now, that was a shock. However, I clearly recall, in this case that everything became very quiet,  in the middle of this whole thing, and much later the news of the discovery of this persons remains.  The remains were carried down the river for miles, and miles away from Edmonton. This person although believed and reporting missing, with a Missing Person's report filed with the police, also left behind, wallet, debit and credit cards.
Mike's  wife is left with many of his business affairs to deal with. In my mind, she is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't.  A no win situation for anyone.  And the world doesn't stop turning, and neither does his business. In my mind she is doing the best that she can with the circumstances facing her. The police strongly feel that this is a suicide case.  And so in my mind, until further information is available, he is not among the Missing, nor is he among the Murdered, nor is it Unsolved.  How tragic for the family all the way around simply because they do not have his presence around them. I am sure that he his missed, terribly missed. And yes, suicide can be a very selfish business, in that they do not think of the those left behind and their pain that comes with it.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on December 25, 2010, 07:38:42 AM
This story is true. It is not however, related in any way to this incident, except to point out how little we really understand those around us.

Many years ago, I went to school with a fellow. A nice guy, who I'd gone to the same schools from about grade 4 to grade 12. He grew up in the same neighborhood. We were not best buddies, but had mutual friends, and so frequently met and spoke to each other. A couple of years after graduation, after not seeing him since school, I happened to run into his younger sister at a mall. Of course I asked how her brother was doing. Her response?. Oh, you didn't hear?. ....And so we went for coffee, and she explained the situation.
He had jumped of the high level bridge. no witnesses, no note, nothing. This young man, who on the surface, had so much going for himself.. A scholarship at university, a world class competitive athlete, likeable, friendly etc.
Months later, while going through his personal belongings, his family unravels the mystery. He happened to keep a ledger. He had committed suicide over a woman. All because he read in the paper that she was engaged to be married. In his mind, he could not go on without her. The odd thing however?. It was a girl we all knew. She also had gone to the same schools. Had the same friends etc. Trouble is......they had never particularly been close other than just neighborhood acquaintances. They certainly had never dated. there was no real connection between them. Other than his far away misplaced infatuation for her. His close friends and family had no idea that anything was wrong. They had absolutely no knowledge of his infatuation. Even on the day he jumped, friends and family had seen him, and had not even the slightest clue of what he had planned for himself.


And therein, lies the connection.
A horrible waste of a life, for no palatable good reason.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 26, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Perhaps I should clarify myself, as taking ones own life is selfish. Depression is a very deep problem in our society.  Many of those who take their own lives are not even aware of thinking of their family.

To those, who might be considering it, stop and think (if possible - and it not always is possible) of those you are leaving behind. The glimmer of hope, and the door to reach out for help, is open in the window of life, for a brief period of time.  Also, I believe we have a thread
Suicide and it's Impact. A good discussion, but perhaps should be posted on that thread as well? It is under GENERAL.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on December 30, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
We hear of a suicide note, but was it taken to someone to make sure it was Mike's writing. Maybe it is not his writing. I don't think anyone should really believe that this man is dead until his body is found. People are sure jumping to conclusions that he is gone.  I tend to think this witness protection program could be a possibility. And selling property that he owned, I am not really believing that, I just don't get it. Nobody can sell property that quick when someone is missing, unless their name was totally on the deed. Too many questions in my mind, because a lot of information came out after he disappeared. A lot of personality conflict in the marriage and in the business side of it. Body guards, wow, that is something strange, and he was just a RE broker.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on December 30, 2010, 09:23:53 PM
The reporter  at the Edmonton Journal also said to me, "that reporters were talking about this person, as they are really tuned in  to what is going around in Edmonton.  That is their job, and then  talked to the police about this matter.  The police said it is now listed as Suicide, remains are missing.    It is as it now stands, a suicide.  She added, we are not like vultures and circle around the family asking questions, as to why he did this.  And then she added, God rest his soul. I felt like a vulture myself to be honest. I guess we can continue to beat a tired  donkey to get up, and I suppose things will continue. I am repeating again what I know. You might consider calling up the CBC and asking them to delve into this mystery, or placing a question in their head as to why he is missing?  Or check out the Edmonton Journal, ask for their news room, and also do the same with the Edmonton Sun. *although I did not ask the Sun, as to why no coverage.   I dunno.  Until remains are found, I guess speculation will swirl.  The North Saskatchewan River travels from B.C through Edmonton into the Province of   Saskatchewan.  Some remains are found miles away, and some are never found. Does that then say, that the person did not lose their life in the N. Sask river, because their remains were never found? Some  may be found  and in this case I sincerely hope that they are.
Until  further news, until further gossip from insiders, who may report this to police, it is what it is at the moment a suicide. Time will tell.  I will let the donkey rest for now. But I personally accept the  views as they now officially  stand  on this matter.  Others may differ, and that  okay by me. I  think that word Prominent attracted the attention. By all official reports he  was a man who committed suicide. (and -- other so called prominent people have done the same in the past)  We do not expose our very selves to society.  Most of our lives are lived in private away from press. And in a free society privacy is acceptable and one of our treasured freedom's that we have.  There is no reason to display oneself on the front pages, of our accomplishments, our likes, dislikes, etc, prominent or not so prominent. 
Peace
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on December 30, 2010, 10:43:29 PM

Well spoken Jellybean. This has really been beaten to death IMO and there is nothing at this time to indicate that it was anything other than suicide.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: capeheart on January 19, 2011, 03:22:31 PM
BB81, are you saying the two bodies were found in the water?I wasn't aware that his bodyguard was missingalso. This doesn't sound like a suicide to me, especially if both were found in the water. Keep us posted on any further news you have on this case.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: whispersoftly on January 19, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
hmmm.....if what your saying is true,i wonder if it will it make it to the news?
sure sounds like a bizzare suicide ......   :o
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 19, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
I contacted a newspaper, they have never heard of it.  They will be making calls to find out.
In my opinion, probably a rumor that was sent around, with no factual basis.  There will always be rumors, I suspect with him.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on January 19, 2011, 10:49:37 PM
I have not seen anything on this, nor is the body guard missing.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on January 20, 2011, 04:31:21 PM
Thank you BB81. I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 20, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
Insider1: Any news on the recovery of Mike's remains? This must be difficult on family.

Thanks
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 20, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
BBB81: Your past info seems to have merit to it.  Question for you.  Did Mike have a bodyguard up until the time of his disappearance?

Thanks
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Insider1 on January 20, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
No, there hasn't been any "new" news yet, Jellybean. So this recent information is just another rumour. I really don't understand how people come up with these things. I'm sure they don't make an already difficult time any easier for the family..but thank you for thinking of them and for asking.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 20, 2011, 08:51:38 PM
I hope the family can cling and hold it together.  It may take sometime before his missing is resolved.  This is all too often the case when a loved one goes missing.  Sadly they walk out the door and poof - they are gone.  Leaving families, friends and loved ones wondering.
Take Care
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 26, 2011, 01:51:57 PM
Taken from Hicks on 6 - Edmonton Sun Last Updated: November 23, 2010 6:08pm
see full article.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/columnists/graham_hicks/2010/11/23/16285691.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/columnists/graham_hicks/2010/11/23/16285691.html)

MIKE IS MISSING

Well-known, jovial, community-minded realtor Mike Kozicki, owner of Century 21 Royalty Real Estate, has been missing since Sunday. His car was found, his friends say, near the downtown police station. That’s it.

“All we know,” says Edmonton Real Estate Board spokesman Jon Hall, “is that Mike is missing and a police investigation has been launched. All else is speculation.

His wife, Sylvia, has appreciated the support she has been receiving from the real estate community.”

Many of us know Mike through his annual fundraisers for the Christmas Bureau.We can only hope he’ll be found, safe and sound.

This is the first mentioning of Mike is missing. - and the first report of his car being found near the downtown police station.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 26, 2011, 02:17:35 PM
Exactly. This was the first public indication that he was missing, that I am aware of  and the statement that his car was found downtown near the police station. This statement was given by his friends to Hicks on 6.
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 26, 2011, 03:52:41 PM
There were questions as to where his carwas actually found.  This article initially states that his friends reported that his car was found downtown near the police station. Then it was later determined that his car was found in the middle of the high level bridge. While at times, there  is a smidgen of truth to rumours, the only certain rumour circulating around on that day, was the fact that Mike was missing. Perhaps his car was last seen parked near the downtown police station, and later found on the High Level bridge. Each rumor had parts of truth to it, and it depended upon the teller. But then, it is all a mute point.  He is still missing.
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on January 27, 2011, 07:37:34 PM
I like to think outside the box:

Mike stumbled upon some unscrupulous business activities and was bullied or blackmailed into participating.  He went to the Police (either City of Edmonton and/or RCMP) with his concerns and they quite likely already have an on-going investigation into the shenanigans.  White-collar crimes can be very sophisticated and have international (and underground) connections which make them difficult to investigate and are time-consuming. 

My guess is, that Mike was threatened with his life (he hired a bodyguard).  Mike probably discussed the possibility with his wife of "running away", either through a witness protection program or simply arranging it themselves.  My guess is, she did not like the idea.  In the previous months leading up to Mike's disappearance, he transferred their business into HER name.... and quite possibly other assets he had.  For all we know, he could have an anonymous bank account somewhere - offshore?

Then..... Mike "played out his suicide".  All of his personal belongings were in the car, as well as a suicide note.  The Police find his car.... the note..... phone the wife.  Because it is a "suicide" the Police have no reason to suspect foul play - they have no responsibility to investigate any further.  If the body is found, great.... if not... so be it.  In their mind - no crime committed - no involvement needed.

Back at home.... the wife may never know for sure if he committed suicide and is dead, or if he "ran away".  I surmise that some of her actions (i.e.  selling the business, carrying on her routine...) indicate that she was not totally in shock that he was "gone".  And, from our cheap seats, it looks like she's well taken care of.

And so..... I still believe Mike is alive and well and living somewhere else.  He could have been an integral part of an investigation and was placed in the Witness Protection Program - or - he could have arranged his own disappearance. 


I mean no disrespect to the family or to Mike..... and I have no further information than what is posted on this forum.  I'm just speculating on another possibility......
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: lookingformike on January 29, 2011, 11:24:54 AM
Unless I was completely blind or lied to for the past couple of years Mike NEVER had a bodyguard.
I've never seen him with one.. yet I've seen him at all different hours of the day and night by himself or with his family.

the "theories" and "stories" flying around are comical at best. If people understood Sylvia (the main key to this story) they would have a clearer picture as to why this IS a suicide. Sylvia is operationg within her LEGAL means. She is selling the building they were in not the "business". Mikes assets are being handled by the courts. If he was alive this wouldn't be happening.

Good rest his soul and bring peace to his family.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on January 29, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
LookingforMike: Thank you for posting.  And thank you for  finally putting this matter to rest.

One can only hope that Your Unfavorite Person - will come to the realization of harm and devastation created.

Good luck to you and Mike's family - and my heartfelt sympathy goes to you and his children.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on February 02, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
Unless I was completely blind or lied to for the past couple of years Mike NEVER had a bodyguard.
I've never seen him with one.. yet I've seen him at all different hours of the day and night by himself or with his family.

the "theories" and "stories" flying around are comical at best. If people understood Sylvia (the main key to this story) they would have a clearer picture as to why this IS a suicide. Sylvia is operationg within her LEGAL means. She is selling the building they were in not the "business". Mikes assets are being handled by the courts. If he was alive this wouldn't be happening.

Good rest his soul and bring peace to his family.
We have our answer. The car is now a mute point, I guess.
It was a suicide. His assets are now being handled by the courts.
How awful.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on February 02, 2011, 05:22:22 PM
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I think this whole scenario shows how easy it would be to fake a suicide and disappear as few want to upset the family and delve into things, or how easy it would be to murder someone and make it look like a suicide, if one could do it. In any case, a body wasn't found and there is still conjecture.

Yes Ahnra, that is true but we have no proof whatsoever that is the case here.

This whole scenario has been gone through many times. At this point we have no proof that this wasn't suicide.

I've asked myself what would I feel like if this was my family member. Would I appreciate people trying to pry into every corner of my life? Having just lost someone, would I feel 'up to' making sure that everyone's curiosity was put to rest about what I knew, and when I knew it? Grief is a private journey. These people are trying to deal with the loss of a husband/father/friend/. I do not feel that anyone owe's us an explanation. 

Perhaps somewhere down the road we will learn differently about what happened here, but until then it appears that Mike's family, friends and RCMP believe this was a suicide.

You've made some very good points about suicide, Ahnra. As you know we do have a thread that could benefit from your ideas and insight.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Mom on February 02, 2011, 07:00:30 PM

Every time I saw Mike with Sylvia, he was holding her hand wherever he went, definitely showing ownership, possession - proud, it seemed. Perhaps something happened to the relationships, I don't know, but it does seem a very practical and efficient ending to the business elements, just not to the Mike aspects with it kind of just drifting into nothingness.

I forgot about that thread. That would be a more suitable place for discussion at this point, perhaps. Some individual family members such as an ex or soon to be exwife (not referring to this case as I know nothing about the relationship or Sylvia) aren't sad when people die, actually, though.


This confuses me, Ahnra.  Today at 4:12pm you made it sound like you saw Mike and Sylvia a lot... then at 6:27pm you say you know nothing about them.  Which is it?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on February 02, 2011, 11:39:51 PM
This afternoon was the first time I've posted on this thread in some time. I stated that at this time we have no proof that Mike's disappearance was anything other than suicide. That is still the way I see it. That having been said, I've also taken note of some behaviour here on the site, that makes me wonder about things.

I've heard others say that there are people lurking on the site watching this thread, and have observed that myself. That makes me curious, as I have to wonder why it is so important that these people know exactly what is being said here. I've been on the site a number of times when someone has been posting on this thread and that person (s) just 'happens to show up'. I'm wondering.....is that meant to be intimidation? We all know that one doesn't have to be logged on to read. Why are these people so nervous?

That is just an observation on my part.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on March 11, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
Mike's whereabouts is very simple, his remains are  in the North Saskatchewan River.  The river and undertow surprisingly travels at 14 km per hour.  I have confidence that his remains will eventually be found.
It is very hard on his children and until his remains are found they are probably finding it difficult for closure. How his children are feeling , is conjecture on my part, but if they are like most families in these circumstances, that is probably how they feel.
They must be devastated . God  Bless them.
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Baba Donya on March 11, 2011, 10:01:51 PM
I have been off a long time...too long...because I did not know this happened. I knew Mike.

Mike is very clever!

Mike is a very good salesman...did he close the deal?

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on March 11, 2011, 10:12:08 PM
Unless I was completely blind or lied to for the past couple of years Mike NEVER had a bodyguard.
I've never seen him with one.. yet I've seen him at all different hours of the day and night by himself or with his family.

the "theories" and "stories" flying around are comical at best. If people understood Sylvia (the main key to this story) they would have a clearer picture as to why this IS a suicide. Sylvia is operationg within her LEGAL means. She is selling the building they were in not the "business". Mikes assets are being handled by the courts. If he was alive this wouldn't be happening.

Good rest his soul and bring peace to his family.
Everything in his estate is before the courts. And to quote the above, if he were alive this would not happen
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Baba Donya on March 12, 2011, 12:00:57 AM
He was a devout catholic!

If it is true...may God have mercy on his soul! Amen.

May all who loved him be comforted by God's grace.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on March 12, 2011, 11:38:22 AM
God is constant and  always has mercy and love. To my mind, religions do not show mercy, and love on a constant basis.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on March 15, 2011, 01:53:44 PM
Unless I was completely blind or lied to for the past couple of years Mike NEVER had a bodyguard.
I've never seen him with one.. yet I've seen him at all different hours of the day and night by himself or with his family.

the "theories" and "stories" flying around are comical at best. If people understood Sylvia (the main key to this story) they would have a clearer picture as to why this IS a suicide. Sylvia is operationg within her LEGAL means. She is selling the building they were in not the "business". Mikes assets are being handled by the courts. If he was alive this wouldn't be happening.

Good rest his soul and bring peace to his family.
Everything in his estate is before the courts. And to quote the above, if he were alive this would not happen
JB

You have seen the Notices to Claimants and Creditors that is customary in cases like this ... published in the Edmonton Journal regarding Mike's holdings? If you have, then I would agree the matter is before the courts at this time. These proceedings can and do happen whether a person is deceased, or just "missing" according to proper protocol.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on March 17, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
Mike Kozicki never made it on the Edmonton City Police Missing Persons List. How come.?? They should place him on it?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: lookingformike on March 23, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Mike Kozicki never made it on the Edmonton City Police Missing Persons List. How come.?? They should place him on it?

PEACE
JB

They won't place him on the list because they have no evidence suggesting that this is anything other than a suicide.

To the poster above, I am dealing directly with the Public Trustee. I don't need to see anything in the paper when I am speaking directly with the people handling his affairs.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Baba Donya on March 31, 2011, 07:49:18 PM
Until Mike is found...alive or deceased, he is considered missing.

Makes sense to me!
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on April 11, 2011, 01:38:06 PM

Thanks BB81. I was able to find this news article.



Body pulled from the North Saskatchewan River
4:50pm
EDMONTON/630 CHED
4/10/2011
 
A body pulled from the North Saskatchewan River Sunday is now with the Medical Examiner's office.

The M.E. will determine how the body, believed to be that of a man, died.

Edmonton Police aren't able to say how long the body was lodged in the ice but EPS says the death is not being treated as suspicious.

It was found near the Edmonton Queen Riverboat in the area of 92nd Street and 98th Avenue around the noon hour. (ph)

http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1399581 (http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1399581)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: Chris on April 11, 2011, 09:34:37 PM
Is it possible to travel that far?
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: scotsquine on April 12, 2011, 12:02:05 AM

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Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
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God is constant and  always has mercy and love. To my mind, religions do not show mercy, and love on a constant basis.

PEACE
JB
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Just reading past posts. Jelly Bean I couldn't agree with you more on this comment.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: pica on April 12, 2011, 11:59:37 AM
When I heard about this I contacted the police as I am an old friend of Mike's and it was not him who they found. He is still missing.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 12, 2011, 12:42:28 PM
When I heard about this I contacted the police as I am an old friend of Mike's and it was not him who they found. He is still missing.
Thank you for letting us know.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: solvy on April 12, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
TY bb81 for checking on that, I expect that something will be made public before long.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on April 13, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Thank you BB81. I imagine there will be a number of families and loved ones sitting on tenterhooks for the next while. At least one family and friends will have closure soon, I hope.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 13, 2011, 04:37:06 PM
It could be anyone, I guess. Maybe PW? But I doubt it. It could also be a homeless person, or an individual who went missing miles away from Edmonton and was carried through the currents to Edmonton. Hopefully some family will have closure.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 13, 2011, 08:38:03 PM
I had the same question too!
 Betscho would have the answer to that one .

Louise McKinney park is notorious for drug users. I thought at first that it could be one of them, trying to cross the river on the ice and possibly collapsed there.

However in the article it stated that the body had been in the water for sometime.
So it is possible that the body was under the ice, and when the ice broke up in huge slabs, it pushed the body on top of the ice and was found.  It is the only way that I can figure it out!!
Anyhow, this is a delicate topic  for some families who have missing loved ones.
Hopefully some family will find closure.


PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on April 14, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
So far I have been unable to find anything that says this body has been identified.


CBC News Posted: Apr 10, 2011 6:12 PM MT Last Updated: Apr 10, 2011 6:12 PM MT

Police are trying to identify a man whose body was pulled from the North Saskatchewan River on Sunday afternoon near downtown Edmonton.

"The primary purpose of our investigation is to determine the identity of the individual as well as notify their family as well as deal with the cause of death," said Acting Insp. Blair Edl.

City police were called shortly after noon by a passerby on the Cameron Avenue footbridge who noticed the body floating on top of a moving ice floe.

Fire rescue crews using rubber rafts pulled the body from the river.

Edl said the case has been turned over the medical examiner to determine the cause of death.

"At this point in time, it is a regular sudden-death investigation. We will determine in fact if it was a criminal death, or a suicide. It could also be a person who accidentally drowned in the river," he said.

"Indications are at this point is the body was in the river for some time."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/04/10/edm-body-north-sask-river.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/04/10/edm-body-north-sask-river.html)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 15, 2011, 10:36:13 AM
I would think that Mike's immediate family would know whether it is him or not by way of the ME.
On our site, we also have Dale Jackson who  went missing in July of 2010, here in Edmonton.


PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 15, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
RE: BODY FOUND IN SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/04/17/edmonton-body-north-saskatchewan-river.html

I found this item under comments from the above CBC article.

"Thanks to the lady that foound the body... This man had a family a life.. he went missing at the devon bridge augest 2nd.......now he can be put to rest"

??????? jb (if this is the case, then the body found in the river is not Mikes)
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: bestcho on April 16, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
In answer: Yes, it is possible. But in the timelines involved: Extremely unlikely!!.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 17, 2011, 05:05:33 PM
Bestcho;  I agree., as per my post, and quote from comment section in news media.

"Thanks to the lady that foound the body... This man had a family a life.. he went missing at the devon bridge augest 2nd.......now he can be put to rest"

Timeline is wrong!! And obviously friends and family have been told. 

Now this person can be laid to rest as the writer stated.

Blesss his family whom he left behind.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: ikshar on May 10, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Body+missing+Edmonton+realtor+found/4758448/story.html

May he finally RIP
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: SAP on May 10, 2011, 12:51:08 PM
RIP Mike. :'(

This is a tragedy in a time where there is so much help available for those feeling that life is not worth living, however there are those who feel too proud to admit.

Hug your loved ones today and every day and make them feel special every single day of their lives. My sincere condolences to Mike's family, children, and his friends. 
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: debbiec on May 10, 2011, 01:00:28 PM
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Body+missing+Edmonton+realtor+found/4758448/story.html

May he finally RIP

Thanks for the update ikshar. My thoughts are with all of Mike's family and friends.

RIP Mike.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on May 15, 2011, 11:11:01 AM
http://www.legacy.com/can-edmonton/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=151001318

KOZICKI, Mike It is with great sorrow that the family of Mike Kozicki of Edmonton announce his passing at the age of 50 years. Mike had been serving Edmonton's community for over 20 years as a real estate broker, involved in many charitable organizations, politics, and volunteering on countless occasions - always for a good cause... and a good friend to so many. "If the people we love are stolen from us, the way to have them live on is to never stop loving them. Buildings burn, people die, but real love is forever." Mike is survived by his loving wife, Sylvia; daughter, Patricia; step-daughter, Morgan and son, Alexander; friends and colleagues and will be sadly missed by all. A Private Family Service will take place. In lieu of other tributes, donations may be made to the Christmas Bureau of Edmonton, P.O. Box 16000, Edmonton, AB T5E 3B2 for which Mike had a special place in his heart. To send condolences, visit www.parkmemorial.com Park Memorial Edmonton 780-426-0050 Family Owned Funeral Home, Crematorium, Reception Centre

Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on May 19, 2011, 11:40:25 PM
BB, Being a woman, and a reasonably new widow, I can understand as to why she did not attend. A personal funeral is the most important thing - it is the realization that the loss is final!! .  This is an exceptionally emotional event in one's life.  In my own case, there was also a separate get together with all of my husband's friends, of whom I knew and was fond of, and I did not attend.  I would hope that they would not say that I was "too proud to attend".

Those closest to the deceased have their own way of dealing with a very personal loss - and I respect that -having walked in those shoes.
Believe me, you wouldn't want to wear them.

With all due respect, we must close this  very sensitive matter for the sake of Mike's memory and his family of whom he deeply loved.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on June 14, 2011, 06:06:06 PM
BB -   I am sorry that you also lost a loved one (suicide especially is very hard on families and loved ones) The question is always why? - or it can be,
I  know the why, and the answer at times can be  all the more painful for some.

As I  said in my own case, I did not attend the second memorial for my husband, the actual funeral was all that I could handle.
While I cannot speak for his wife who has remained silent through all of this, and perhaps knew Mike better than anyone, point of views may differ from those that truly knew this couple.

However, you made a  point, and I too join hands with you in saying RIP Mike, and Peace to his children.

Take care now, BB
Jellybean
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on November 27, 2011, 08:34:34 PM
Here we are, Mike Kozicki has been propery buried, and his family is moving along dealing with his loss. Still, today Guests are returning to his site.  He was well loved, and highly thought of by many.
JB
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: MrsG on March 26, 2013, 11:09:58 PM
Mike was a wonderful, kind, very loving human being.  I have known/knew him for 25+ years - and yes, to this day I still miss him.  I have seen him through many, many changes in his life.  He was always a kind, considerate, loving and giving man.  I am proud to say he was a friend.  To this day I still miss him and always will.  His children were the world to him and I feel for them.
Title: Re: Prominent Edmonton realtor missing Mike Kozicki - Nov. 21, 2010
Post by: jellybean on April 21, 2014, 12:02:02 AM
Mike was a wonderful, kind, very loving human being.  I have known/knew him for 25+ years - and yes, to this day I still miss him.  I have seen him through many, many changes in his life.  He was always a kind, considerate, loving and giving man.  I am proud to say he was a friend.  To this day I still miss him and always will.  His children were the world to him and I feel for them.

Thank you Mrs. G.!  Gosh, I wish I had met him.!! People still come onto his thread on this site, and read it.  Obviously he was a big hearted man, and loved by so many!!

I am sincerely,  sorry for your  loss of a warm and loving human being and a kind and gentle friend.

You were fortunate in knowing him.
JB