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Title: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Carol-Lynn on November 30, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
Edmonton Police, indeed, have another homicide investigation on their hands.
 
As 630 CHED was first to report Tuesday morning, investigators found a body in the Capilano area Monday. They have determined the individual found at an address near 108th Avenue and 52nd Street to be the 24th homicide victim of the year in Edmonton.
 
Police have not revealed any details regarding the identity of the deceased. They will only say they believe the person to be female. Police expect to release more information following an autopsy.
 
In the meantime, EPS ask anyone with information regarding this discovery to call police, 780-423-4567, or Crime Stoppers, 1-800-222-8477.(b
Title: Re: EPS confirm 24th homicide of the year
Post by: Edsonmom on December 02, 2010, 03:09:12 PM

Police identify murder victim
Last Updated: Thursday, December 2, 2010 | 12:09 PM MT.



The city's latest murder victim has been identified as 49-year-old Sandra Lamb.

Police were called to an east-end home at 108 Avenue and 52 Street Monday afternoon to check on the welfare of a resident when they discovered Lamb's body.

An autopsy was completed Wednesday but police are not releasing the cause of death.

Police have interviewed numerous people in connection with the case, but have no suspects



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/02/edmonton-sandra-lamb-identified.html#ixzz16zUaDOAo (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/02/edmonton-sandra-lamb-identified.html#ixzz16zUaDOAo)
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Edsonmom on December 03, 2010, 11:50:15 AM
Second Edmonton woman dead in home

By MARIAM BOCARI, QMI Agency


EDMONTON - Homicide detectives for the second time this week are probing the death of a woman in her home.

The latest investigation -- deemed suspicious -- is at 4619 43 Ave. in Mill Woods.

Officers arrived at the home around 5 p.m. Wednesday.

The two-storey home belonging to a couple and their two elementary school aged children, a boy and a girl, was still surrounded by police tape Thursday.

The house has been owned by Jaswinder Takhar and Satpal Takhar since 2005.

The couple also operate Takhar Transport Ltd. from the same address. 
 

Cop spokeswoman Lisa Sobchyshyn stressed she cannot talk specifically about details relating to the case but said neighbours need to look out for neighbours and report anything suspicious.

"Crime can happen in any neighborhood. Get to know your neighbours, notice when things aren't right," she said.

An autopsy on the woman was to take place Thursday.

The Thursday scene is eerily similar to that earlier in the week at a Capilano bungalow.

On Thursday, police confirmed the woman found dead inside the 10816 52 St. home -- 49-year-old Sandra D. Lamb -- was slain.

Members of the local 488 pipefitters Union - which Lamb, a pipefitter, was a member of - said in a statement the killing is "devastating and it's a loss of a sister of our union".

The deaths -- even though only one is confirmed as a homicide at this point -- of two women in their own homes over the past week has the director of the women's shelter Winhouse speaking out.

Winhouse spokeswoman Sandra Danco wants women to know that if they feel are in danger, there is always a safe place for them. "If you feel threatened the best thing to do is leave and go to a women's shelter; there is always room."
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/12/03/16411966.html (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/12/03/16411966.html)
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 10, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
 
She might have allowed someone that she knew come in through her back door.  The police were there for quite sometime. They may have found something of interest, and began to search for other things in the home. I think she knew the person.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 12, 2010, 11:16:48 AM
Sandra's Obituary

http://www.legacy.com/can/obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=146970922 (http://www.legacy.com/can/obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=146970922)

May she rest in peace.

JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 14, 2010, 12:11:10 PM
Carol-Lynn:  The Millwoods woman is not the same.  Sandra Lamb lived in Capilano.  Has the Millwoods woman ever been identified in the papers.  I can't find anything on it.  Maybe my Google is out of sync. According to the website Last Link on the Left, Sandra Lamb was an inspiration for other women in her trade.  She fought against discrimination and harassment. She was a pipe-fitter and was a no nonsense type.  Also just on a humanitarian note, a police officer took Rowdy to his farm until he can be placed with a family member. This was very kind of him, as usually the police would have no choice but to take Rowdy to the SPCA, or pound.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 14, 2010, 08:41:56 PM
Carol-Lynn:  Here is the Millwoods woman's info updated. Perhaps you can start a new thread for her.

On Dec. 1, police arrived at a Mill Wood home at 4619 43 Ave., where a woman was found dead.

The two-storey home belongs to a couple and their two elementary school-aged children.

The house has been owned by Jaswinder Takhar and Satpal Takhar since 2005. The couple also operate Takhar Transport Ltd. from the same address.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/13/16537271.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/12/13/16537271.html)
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 17, 2010, 12:42:12 PM
I have a funny feeling that this homicide may take sometime to solve.  Sandra lived alone, neighbors knew little about her, other than she was a pipe fitter, worked up north alot, and worked long hours.
A bit more about Sandra. Taken from website The Last Link on the Left
In a statement, members of the local described Lamb's death as "devastating" and "a loss of a sister of our union."

Sandra was a journeyman pipefitter and one of the first women to join the union.

Co-worker Tammy Becker said Lamb had been a member for over a decade and was one of only 40 women in the 10,000-strong union.

Becker said Lamb fought against discrimination and harassment, calling her a pioneer in the trade and a vocal advocate for women's rights in a male-dominated profession.

"It takes a lot of courage to take that first step and to go into a man's world and try and make a go with it, and she was successful at that," Becker said.

"When somebody like that is lost, you've lost a role model. You've lost someone who's broken a lot of ground."
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Chris on December 28, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/28/lamb-charge.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/28/lamb-charge.html)

Daughter charged in Edmonton woman's death

Edmonton homicide detectives have arrested 27-year-old Kirsten Lamb and charged her with first-degree murder in the death of her mother, Sandra Lamb, 49.

Kirsten Lamb was arrested on Sunday.

Sandra Lamb's body was found inside her Capilano-neighbourhood home in east end Edmonton at the end of November. Police were not releasing the cause of death.

The daughter was expected to make her first court appearance on Wednesday.

Lamb was Edmonton's 25th homicide of 2010.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/28/lamb-charge.html#ixzz19SAOZesN (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/12/28/lamb-charge.html#ixzz19SAOZesN)
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Concerned on December 28, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
This is extremely sad. What is happening when society has parent killing children, and children killing parents? What in the world is going on?

This mother was 22 when she had her daughter, raised her for more years than she had youth. Then is killed by her. I can only wonder why.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 28, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
Without taking any respect from Sandra's death, and the tragedy that it was her own daughter, (how sad and what a waste of life for Sandra and also for her daughter who did this.) I give Kudos to the Edmonton City Police for placing someone under arrest and charging in this case so quickly.  (It still has to go to court and her daughter is innocent until proven guilty).

I felt that it could take sometime before Sandra's killer would be found.
ie She was single, lived alone, and worked long hours. My heart goes out to Sandra's family.  This must be an extra burden for them.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Mysticmusicgurl on December 29, 2010, 09:22:23 AM
As per MSN news:
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=26940852 (http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=26940852)

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Edmonton homicide detectives have arrested 27-year-old Kirsten Lamb and charged her with first-degree murder in the death of her mother, Sandra Lamb, 49.

Kirsten Lamb was arrested on Sunday.

Sandra Lamb's body was found inside her Capilano-neighbourhood home in east end Edmonton at the end of November. Police were not releasing the cause of death.

The daughter was expected to make her first court appearance on Wednesday.

Lamb was Edmonton's 25th homicide of 2010.

RIP Sandra.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Woodland on December 30, 2010, 05:27:18 PM
There was a post that appeared here briefly then disappeared.  Just wanted to say I agree with what you said - we don't know who raised Kirsten and that could account for what happened.

A couple of weeks ago in Toronto, a son walked into a public library and shot his father with a crossbow - in broad daylight.  The history is slowing surfacing - the father was no prince.

Society has been known to turn a blind eye to child abuse - what does society do when we fail them to the point the abused kids kill their abusers?  Imo, slap them on the wrist as we do vicious killers.  We can't treat abused kids worse.  Can we?
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 30, 2010, 05:59:32 PM
Sandra spoke proudly of her children and grand children to all who would listen.  Sad to say though, it did happen and perhaps in time we will know.  One thing, if you look over this whole thread, the police canvassing the neighbourhood, even asked one woman who answered the door what size her boot size is, and how much does she weigh?  I found that odd - somehow.  So they must have been looking for a smaller foot belonging to possibly a female. One of Sandra's daughters is getting , counselling from Victims Services.  This is a service which is offered by grief counsellors, if need be, to victims of crime losing their loved one. Sandra's family is totally in shock that Kirsten is charged with such a crime.  However, she is innocent until proven guilty.  Obviously Sandra was looked up to by her female co-oworkers, and in a man's trade, as well as loved and respected by her family. Kirsten is charged with 1st degree murder, which means there was intent, and thought out. Kirsten was the middle child. Middle children can often feel short changed. Not that this would have anything to do with it??  This action against her mother had to do something more than that??  I feel sorry for the family, and Kirsten as well.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: SAP on December 31, 2010, 02:01:15 PM
There was a post that appeared here briefly then disappeared.  Just wanted to say I agree with what you said - we don't know who raised Kirsten and that could account for what happened.

A couple of weeks ago in Toronto, a son walked into a public library and shot his father with a crossbow - in broad daylight.  The history is slowing surfacing - the father was no prince.

Society has been known to turn a blind eye to child abuse - what does society do when we fail them to the point the abused kids kill their abusers?  Imo, slap them on the wrist as we do vicious killers.  We can't treat abused kids worse.  Can we?

There was another such post last night and it has disappeared. There's no point in hiding problems where there were problems. Writing a glowing tribute of those who abused/neglected doesn't help the victim (turned perp). I believe in crime doing their time. However it did sound as though the perp in this case has deep seated problems not of her own doing. Another person who fell through the cracks. Very sad all the way around.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2010, 02:06:51 PM
What did the mysterious poster say?  and then removed it.  I missed it.

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: SAP on December 31, 2010, 03:01:25 PM
What did the mysterious poster say?  and then removed it.  I missed it.

Peace
JB

Perhaps it was removed by Admins, I don't know. Said poster apparently knew Kirsten as a child in a foster home, and also supposedly knew the father but not the mother. Knew that Kirsten was FAS, (and there's only one way of producing an FAS child) I don't want to speak ill of the deceased, nor do I want to glamorize them. It also sounded as though Kirsten has children of her own. The poster knew that Kirsten had a very painful childhood. I don't know any FAS persons who married and became parents and I don't know if the condition can be passed on but now another set of children are left vulnerable.

Perhaps it's not true. Why would said poster keep removing their posts?

http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/fas.html# (http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/fas.html#)
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2010, 03:34:52 PM
Is it possible that said poster got it mixed up with someone else?  Kirsten's defence lawyer will come to her aid, if this is true.  Well, he will come to her defence regardless. It is 1st degree. In Kirsten's mind she must have felt that she had a reason.

Quite often mysterious posters will come on this site and give information, and remove it.  It is their way of saying something that must be told by them, they will leave it for awhile,  (even a few minutes) and then remove it.


Peace
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: debbiec on December 31, 2010, 05:07:04 PM
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Perhaps it was removed by Admins, I don't know. Said poster apparently knew Kirsten as a child in a foster home, and also supposedly knew the father but not the mother. Knew that Kirsten was FAS, (and there's only one way of producing an FAS child) I don't want to speak ill of the deceased, nor do I want to glamorize them. It also sounded as though Kirsten has children of her own. The poster knew that Kirsten had a very painful childhood. I don't know any FAS persons who married and became parents and I don't know if the condition can be passed on but now another set of children are left vulnerable.


SAP, I recall that post, but not the name of the member who wrote it. I'm thinking that the poster may have thought better of what she/he had written and removed it themselves. Perhaps thought they'd said too much, after the fact. I've seen that before where someone writes and then removes almost immediately, probably not even realizing that it has been seen.

I can't see any reason why anyone in admin would have removed it, as it sounds like it was simply stating facts as the poster knew them.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on December 31, 2010, 07:20:23 PM
 Quoting Debbiec: I'm thinking that the poster may have thought better of what she/he had written and removed it themselves. Perhaps thought they'd said too much, after the fact. I've seen that before where someone writes and then removes almost immediately, probably not even realizing that it has been seen.

I can't see any reason why anyone in admin would have removed it, as it sounds like it was simply stating facts as the poster knew them.
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Makes a lot of sense to me.  This mysterious poster felt that they  had to defend Kirsten., then became afraid of what they said  and removed it. This poster was defending a person that he or she knew. Bless him/her..
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Chris on December 31, 2010, 11:11:50 PM
No one removed it as far as I know, so the poster must have taken it off. I did read it, and natually, since she knew the woman who did the killing, she has some sympathy for her.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: Mom on December 31, 2010, 11:34:42 PM
The post was yesterday about this same time (12:59pm EST), by "Volcom" (I think??)

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I knew Kirsten as a young child and into her teen years.  I never met her mother once, I met the lady whose home Kirsten was raised in.  I met her father.  I saw the pain and hardship this girl faced.   I am not defending Kirsten, nor will I see her as...
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: debbiec on December 31, 2010, 11:45:23 PM
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The post was yesterday about this same time (12:59pm EST), by "Volcom" (I think??)


There is not a member on the membership list by that name, but they may not be here anymore.  Likely decided against posting for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: SAP on January 01, 2011, 10:09:29 AM
The said poster showed as new 2 days ago, made the post and then by yesterday it was gone. I don't remember the name but I don't think it was Volcom.
If it was the truth, said poster need not feel badly for posting truths however she may have felt she "outed" herself with some of the info she wrote and for that reason removed the post.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on January 01, 2011, 12:51:18 PM
Carol-Lynn ; Re; victims services.  It was in the Edmonton Journal, or the Sun.  However here is a quote from Last Link on the Left

On December 29th exactly one month after her mother was found dead Kirsten Lamb made her first court appearance.

Global Edmonton image

Showing little emotion, wearing blue prison coveralls and her brown hair long, Lamb appeared composed and spoke in a clear, strong almost defiant voice when she told the provincial court judge she had not yet spoken to a lawyer.

As a result, no plea was entered and no application for bail was made.

The matter was put over to January 20th, 2011, and Lamb was remanded into custody.

One of Kirsten's sisters was present in court, accompanied by victim's services personnel and homicide detectives.

While the woman declined to speak to media at the courthouse, Sandra's brother later wrote an email to the Edmonton Journal on behalf of his family read more

John Lamb said it has been an "extremely difficult" time and thanked "all of our friends and family" for their compassion.

"The family has been completely devastated by this tragedy and words cannot describe the emotional roller-coaster that we are all going through," John wrote.

"The family's aware of the long road ahead, but would like to grieve in peace at this time."
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on June 06, 2011, 10:33:48 PM
I wonder about Kirsten, and if she has gone to trial, and how the family is bearing out?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on June 29, 2011, 07:26:06 PM
Has Kirsten gone to trial? I wonder about her and most definately think of Sandra's family and how they are coping with all of this.


PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: exbff on July 15, 2011, 11:25:05 AM
Has Kirsten gone to trial? I wonder about her and most definately think of Sandra's family and how they are coping with all of this.


PEACE
JB

No. The trial date hasn't been set yet.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on July 17, 2011, 05:08:30 PM
exbff: Thank you so much for your reply. God Knows, no family is perfect.
There had to be a reason in her mind to do this!!
Somehow,  I hope that she is okay, and that the family is holding out  strong.
We cannot turn back the hands of time ------ wish we could -- but the act in Kirsten's case is unchangeable!!

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: capeheart on July 18, 2011, 09:27:17 AM
There is a lot of free counselling and help available to people today and for anyone out there that feels they have had a bad time, get help. Killing someone, sure is not going to be the answer to anyone's problems, puts them in a whole new category. For anyone out there with any violent thoughts, seek help, go to a counsellor and talk it out, get rid of the anger that is inside and start to heal with whatever went on. I feel sorry for the whole family, a tragedy all around. RIP, Sandra Lamb.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: SAP on September 27, 2014, 02:34:17 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/09/11/accused-mother-killer-found-not-fit-for-trial-in-edmonton-court

An Edmonton woman accused of murdering her mother - who has somehow become pregnant while in custody at Alberta Hospital - has been found unfit to stand trial.

A Court of Queen's Bench jury of eight women and four men declared Kirsten Michelle Lamb, 31, to be "unfit" Thursday morning after a two-day hearing that ended Wednesday, a day of deliberations and a night at a hotel.

Lamb - a mother of three who prefers to go by her father's name and calls herself Kirsten Throndson - is charged with second-degree murder for the November 2010 slaying of Sandra Lamb, 49, at her Capilano-area home.

On Monday, psychiatrist Dr. Roger Brown testified at the fitness hearing that Lamb has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and said she is currently unfit to stand trial as a result of her not understanding her current legal situation due to multiple persecutory delusional beliefs.

These beliefs include her claiming that her mother is still alive and actively involved in a conspiracy to frame her on the murder charge and keep her detained.

Brown told the jury Lamb also believes she has been tried for the same offence multiple times and been acquitted each time.

CLAIMS SHE IS MARRIED TO CROWN

She also maintains that the Crown prosecutor in the case is her current or past spouse.

Lamb has also revealed she is pregnant, although she has refused to name the father, and the jury heard she is due to give birth in early November.

In a report by Brown, which was made an exhibit in the hearing, the psychiatrist says Lamb was admitted to Alberta Hospital on Dec. 16, 2013 for a court-ordered assessment and has remained there since.

She has refused psychiatric treatment and, after hospital officials had her certified under the Mental Health Act and declared her incompetent to make treatment decisions in July, she finally agreed to have a pregnancy test done to avoid being treated with psychiatric medication.

The pregnancy was also confirmed by an ultrasound.

Based on the times involved, Lamb became pregnant while in secure custody at Alberta Hospital and it can only be assumed the father would have to be either a fellow patient, a staff member or someone who visited her.

According to Brown's report, Lamb has endorsed various grandiose beliefs of being a surgeon, a psychiatrist, and dean of a university, among other professions, all simultaneously. She also mentioned she has been practicing medicine for a long time, had performed thousands of surgeries and is much older than her stated age.

ACTED AS THOUGH SHE WAS A DOCTOR

The report says she interacted with patients as if she were a doctor and presented herself as a wealthy real estate owner with multiple properties and investments in low income areas as acts of charity and goodwill and using the profits to hire nannies for her children. Collateral information contradicts these beliefs.

The report also says Lamb's sister mentioned unusual behaviour of hanging a voodoo doll in front of one of her daughter's rooms. It was also reported that Lamb had shaved half the head of one daughter and told the kids that she "had to lie down to get the demons out."

Regarding her time at Alberta Hospital, the report says Lamb mostly keeps herself isolated, usually staying in her room. And while she denies hearing any voices or experiencing any perceptual disturbances, nursing staff consistently report hearing her screaming and yelling when she is alone in her room. She appears to be yelling at individuals, asking them to leave her alone. In interviews, she occasionally mumbles and appears to make remarks to someone near her, when there is nobody present.

The jury also heard Lamb was in the Edmonton Remand Centre for three years prior to being transferred to Alberta Hospital and psychiatric reports from that time indicate she endorsed delusions of physical concerns relating to having suffered a chronic traumatic brain injury, heart attacks, loss of eyesight and fainting spells.

It also says she endorsed various grandiose themes of being an entrepreneur and being accepted into the doctorate program in dentistry at Grant MacEwan, as well as opening several Best Buy stores in Edmonton.

COMPLAINT OF SERIOUS INJURY

Brown writes Lamb has complained of multiple medical symptoms during his interviews and refers to being severely injured. However, he says it is not apparent that she has any significant medical issues at present.

Typically, when an accused person is found unfit, they are referred to the Alberta Review Board - who holds a disposition hearing, usually resulting in the person being held at Alberta Hospital - and then periodically has the person reassessed as to their fitness to stand trial.

However, Lamb said in court that she wants the judge to hold a disposition hearing. The matter was then adjourned to Monday to discuss that possibility.

Brown has said that doctors want to treat Lamb with psychiatric medication once her baby is born.

It is not known what would happen to the child.

At the time of Sandra Lamb's slaying, police said they were called to her 10816 52 St. home on Nov. 29, 2010, to check on her welfare and officers discovered the pipe-fitter's body inside.

An autopsy was performed, but police have not released the cause of her death.

Kirsten Lamb was charged in the slaying on Dec. 26, 2010.

Sandra Lamb was a member of the Pipefitters Union Local 488. In a statement released at the time, the union called the killing "devastating" and said "it's a loss of a sister of our union."

According to a newspaper obituary, Sandra Lamb left behind three daughters and five grandchildren.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on April 21, 2016, 08:06:04 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/kirsten-lamb-testifies-about-the-night-her-mother-was-killed-1.3463096

Kirsten Lamb testifies about the night her mother was killed
'I can live with myself just fine,' she tells court, 'my children are alive, safe and sound'
By Janice Johnston, CBC News Posted: Feb 24, 2016 6:40 PM MT Last Updated: Feb 24, 2016 7:01 PM MT

Kirsten Lamb took the stand in her own defence Wednesday and admitted she smashed her mother's head several times with a hammer, then slit her throat.

Under cross-examination, Lamb insisted that fear, not anger, motivated the gruesome attack.

At one point, Crown Prosecutor Danielle Green asked Lamb why she kept attacking an unarmed woman.

"Would you agree you did that because you were angry with her?" Green asked.

"No, I was frightened," Lamb testified. "I couldn't risk being hit in the head again. She had her fists. She was still armed. And very dangerous."

blood on stairs
This police photograph of blood on the stairway was entered as an exhibit at the trial. (CBC)

Lamb, 32, is charged with second-degree murder. On the stand Wednesday, she described a lifetime dysfunctional relationship with her mother.

But she testified she didn't hate her mother, but rather was "scared of her."

Lamb told court her mother, Sandra, was a terrible parent and refused to call her by anything but her first name.

Lamb said she was abandoned by her mother when she was four.

She testified her mother attacked her with a hammer when she was 16, and "caved in" her skull.

Sixteen years later, she told court about another hammer, this time in her own hands.

Late on a Saturday night in November 2010, Kirsten Lamb showed up at the back door of her mother's Capilano-area bungalow. It was dark outside, and Lamb knocked. When her mother opened the door, she stepped inside the back hallway.

The two women argued. Lamb said her mother punched her in the face, then stepped into the kitchen. 

The Crown prosecutor asked Lamb why she didn't just leave. 

"I froze," she testified. "I didn't have time to leave."

'Dazed and confused'

Lamb claimed her mother came back to the hallway with a hammer. They wrestled for control of the weapon. More punches were thrown and Lamb said her mother lost her balance and they both "plummeted" down the stairs.

"I was dazed and confused", she said. "Disoriented." 

Lamb testified her mother stood up and walked down the short basement hallway to turn on the laundry room light. Her mother had the hammer. The two struggled and the daughter took it away.

Lamb admitted she bashed her mother on the head with the hammer more than five times before the older woman collapsed to the floor.

"As she fell, I was hitting her," Lamb testified.

She continued to strike her mother while she was on the floor. 

She then cut her mother's throat with a knife because, she testified, because she didn't think her mother "was injured badly enough."

"At some point before you left the basement, did you look to see what you had done?" Green asked.

"I tried to check her once," Lamb replied. "All I could see was blood."

After the killing, the accused said she left her mother's house and made the 90-minute trip back to her home in the village of Rosalind. She admitted she was "covered in blood" and said she "couldn't think straight."

"I felt I had to get to somewhere safe before I collapsed."

Once inside her house, Lamb got rid of the hammer and knife, then peeled off her blood-soaked clothes and threw them in the garbage.

Her ex-husband brought her three young daughters back to her that night. Lamb didn't tell him or anyone else what she had done. 

The accused returned to her normal life. She said she "just took each moment as it came," continued to care for her daughters, cleaned the blood stains in her car and went to her mother's funeral.

Lamb had Christmas at a friend's house. On Boxing Day, the police knocked on her door to arrest her. 

She said she wasn't surprised. 

"By that time, I knew that I had killed her," she testified. 

The Crown suggested Lamb hated her mother. That she wanted her dead and out of her life. That the attack was motivated by anger. 

Lamb denied those suggestions. 

"I can live with myself just fine," she said. "My children are alive, safe and sound". 

Lamb is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

The jury has been told the defence may argue she should be found not criminally responsible due to a mental disorder.

janice.johnston@cbc.ca   
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on April 22, 2016, 01:52:51 PM
There are two sides to most stories, Kirsten and her sister had theirs'.  Very, very sad.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/kirsten-lamb-jury-told-mom-used-drugs-abandoned-her-girls-1.3445061

Kirsten Lamb jury told mom used drugs, abandoned her girls
Jill Felzien told a jury Thursday she and her sister were physically abused by their mother
By Janice Johnston, CBC News Posted: Feb 11, 2016 6:34 PM MT Last Updated: Feb 11, 2016 7:38 PM MT

One sister sat weeping in the prisoner's box, while the other testified about their troubled childhood, growing up with a mother who had a "really, really, really mean temper."

Jill Felzien told a jury Thursday that both sisters were physically abused by their mother. That she often saw her mom smoking pot, and was told she also used methamphetamine and crack cocaine.

Felzien's mother, Sandra Lamb, was found murdered in the basement of her Capilano home in November 2010.

Older sister Kirsten Lamb is now on trial for second-degree murder.

On the witness stand, Felzien said her mother abandoned her daughters: Felzien was six weeks old at the time; her sister was four.

She said Sandra Lamb "had never been much of a mother."

For a time after they were abandoned, the two sisters remained close, but had little contact with their mother.

At one point, Kirsten Lamb told her sister she thought their mother "would die lonely and old."

"My mom moved around a lot," said Felzien, now 28.

When she was 14, Felzien moved in with her mother and sister. She said the arrangement only lasted four or five months, before her mother "kicked her out."

Felzien told the jury her mother sometimes locked her in the basement, "because she would have her friends over and she said they would want their privacy." She said the smell of drugs wafted into the basement on those occasions. 

When she was told to leave at age 14, Felzien returned with police to retrieve her belongings. She testified her mother was behaving erratically, "yelling and screaming on the front lawn."

That was the last time Felzien spoke to her mother.

Neighbour testifies

Four years passed.

Kirsten Lamb had just given birth to her second child, and her younger sister began to worry about her. Felzien said she thought her sister might be suffering from postpartum depression.

"She seemed that she wasn't taking care of herself and the girls the way that she was before," Felzien said.

Two years later, Kirsten Lamb had another daughter, and her marriage crumbled. 

Around that time, Kirsten Lamb's oldest daughter, who was 4 at the time, told Felzien: "Mommy is sick; mommy needs to go to the doctor; she always lays down and has to get the monsters out of her head."

Felzien said she was also concerned about another niece, who had a strip of hair the width of a disposable razor shaved from the back of her head. Kirsten Lamb had given her a "haircut."

At that point, the two sisters stopped talking to each other. Felzien said she had no idea what sort of relationship her older sister had with their mother. 

Mike Synowec also testified on Thursday.

In November 2010, he lived across the street from Sandra Lamb. He said he occasionally took Lamb's dog out for walks, when his neighbour put in long hours as a pipefitter. He had a key to her house.

On November 29, 2010, Synowec heard barking inside Lamb's home. He told the jury he thought it was strange, because her car had been parked in front of the house for two days, and her dog "wasn't the type" to bark inside.

"It had to be something was not right," he testified. "It really bothered me what could be wrong." Synowec said he decided to investigate. He went to Lamb's house and was about to open the back screen door when something caught his attention. At first he thought it was a piece of fabric, then realized it was a clump of hair.

"A small piece of hair," he said. "A little wad. Got a couple of red spots on it."

Then, with dawning horror, he spotted more blood.

"Lots of blood on the door. Some of it is smeared. There's blood on the floor. On the step. On the deck. The screen door was just splattered. I just panicked."

Synowec went next door to call 911 and waited for police.

He never went inside Lamb's house. He never saw the horrific scene in the basement laundry room, where Lamb lay dead on the floor.

The jury has been told the 49 year old's head was severely beaten, and her neck had been slashed almost to the point of decapitation. 

Kirsten Lamb is a diagnosed schizophrenic.

The jury has been told Lamb's lawyer may argue during the course of the trial that his client was not criminally responsible.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on April 22, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/kirsten-lamb-case-ends-in-mistrial-after-jurors-fail-to-reach-verdict-1.3477266

Kirsten Lamb case ends in mistrial after jurors fail to reach verdict
Juror breaks down, crying uncontrollably while two other jurors appeared upset

CBC News Posted: Mar 04, 2016 5:29 PM MT Last Updated: Mar 04, 2016 5:38 PM MT

The murder trial of a woman accused of beating her mother with a hammer before slashing her throat has ended in a mistrial.

After two days of deliberations in the Kirsten Lamb trial, jurors returned to the courtroom Friday afternoon telling Justice Paul Belzil they were hopelessly deadlocked and could not reach a verdict.

When the Belzil asked them to go back and try again, one juror broke down and began sobbing uncontrollably. Two other jurors also appeared upset.

Within minutes the jurors sent word back that they were not going to be able to reach an unanimous decision.

Belzil told the Crown and defence lawyers the jurors' stress levels were of grave concern to him and that it was his job to protect the jurors as well as the accused.

The lawyers pushed for a cooling-off period to let the situation settle down after the five-week trial.

But when the jurors rejected the offer, Belzil declared a mistrial.

"I'm going to declare a mistrial and discharge you and thank you for your patience," he said.

Lamb, 32, showed no emotion during the proceedings.

Lamb is charged in the November 2010 death of her 49-year-old mother Sandra Lamb who was found severely beaten and her neck slashed almost to the point of decapitation. 

During the trial the jury heard Kirsten Lamb, a diagnosed schizophrenic, and her sister were physically abused by their mother, who often smoked pot and used crystal meth and crack cocaine.

The murder trial began on Feb. 9 with the jury of six men and five women beginning deliberations Wednesday morning.

Lamb was sent back to Alberta Hospital Friday. A date will be set for the retrial next month.
Title: Re: Sandra Lamb | Age 49 | November 29, 2010 | Edmonton
Post by: jellybean on March 31, 2017, 06:02:30 PM
This is all very confusing to me.  Lamb is mentally ill.  Spent most of her time in Alberta Hospital. I believe she suffered from Schizophrenia.

Yet, she is to serve time in jail. 

In the matter of Mr. Lee - the Greyhound bus murderer - he is out of the mental institution, has served all of his time receiving medical treatment, and is on parole.

Why the difference in treatment between the two of them?

They both have severe mental illness.  Is it because Lee "heard the voices" - and perhaps Lamb did not?
Was it determined that Ms. Lamb knew right from wrong at the time of murdering her mother, and Lee was so delusional that he did not?

jb