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Title: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Concerned on June 13, 2010, 02:17:35 PM
With so many looking for missing females, I would post this notice. I looked to see if there was a thread already made, but didn't have luck.  

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Missing Person: Unidentified Female Human Remains Found
31-Aug-2009 14:24 PST   Back | Print Article
On Friday October 27, 2006, a citizen notified the Durham Regional Police (DRP) they had located a human skull while walking in a field near the South Service Road and Holt Road in the Municipality of Clarington, ON. This area is located near the entrance to the Darlington Nuclear Generating Station; which is located south of Highway #401 in the Region of Durham.

An extensive search of the body recovery scene was completed. The DRP Public Order Unit; the DRP Forensic Identification Unit; members of the Ontario Provincial Police and a Forensic Anthropologist were involved in the examination of the body recovery scene, and the search of the surrounding area. The search concluded on November 29, 2006.

The Found Human Remains were transported to the Coroner’s Building in Toronto, and a Forensic Pathologist completed a post mortem examination. The Forensic Identification Unit processed the other artefacts located at the scene, and the exhibits seized included a women’s digital watch; a 1980 Canadian penny; a piece of red ribbon; and a small, red, heart-shaped object were located near the remains.

The deceased was Female, Caucasian and 18 to 30 years of age. The investigation has not identified the deceased. The information regarding the Found Human Remains was uploaded onto the OPP Project Resolve internet site, as well as the internet pages of the Doe Network and Ontario’s Missing Adults. To date; no identification has been made of these Found Human Remains.

A forensic artist completed a 3-dimensional clay facial reconstruction of the Found Human Remains. In addition, a computer generated digital reconstruction was created, and we believe this is one of the first cases in Ontario where both a clay and computer generated reconstruction of Found Human Remains has been completed.
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Contact Information:
If you have any information about the Found Human Remains profiled in this matter; please contact Project RESOLVE at 1-877-934-6363 or opp.isb.resolve@ontario.ca, or the Durham Regional Police at (905) 579-1520 Ext #5400, or Durham Regional Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS(8477).
http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=138


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on October 28, 2010, 02:47:27 PM
Remains of female found 4 yrs. ago today. Native, hispanic, oriental or ? Anyone Know?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Concerned on November 16, 2010, 07:11:13 PM
Here is an update on  unidentified remains of a female found in Bowmanville on 27 October 2006 - case no. 20060291OPP:

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New Evidence Revealed in Case
16-Nov-2010 15:49 PST
DRPS Major Crime Homicide Investigators recently returned to the scene near Bowmanville where female human remains were discovered in October 2006 to conduct additional forensic searches in a broader area.

Homicide and Forensic officers have been combing a broader area since early November, in their efforts to locate additional evidence and identify the unknown female victim. Although the original search area was quite large, investigators decided to expand the search area even further in hopes of finding other items.

The investigative search has revealed several new artifacts that may be related to this case, including a ladies gold ring (size 9½) and an additional piece of clothing identified as a unique multi-coloured shirt. In addition, investigators have now been able to create a DNA profile of the unnamed female victim, although no matches have been made.

The shirt has a "Blue Rodeo" brand name tag. A photo is attached.

If you have any information about the possible identity of this female, please contact Det. Nash of the DRPS Major Crime Homicide Unit at 1-888-579-1520 ext. 5402 or call the O.P.P.’s Project RESOLVE at 1-877-934-6363 or visit the website www.missing-u.ca (http://www.missing-u.ca).

Anonymous tips can be made to Durham Regional Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS) or on the website at www.durhamregionalcrimestoppers.ca (http://www.durhamregionalcrimestoppers.ca) and tipsters are eligible for a cash reward of up to $2,000.
http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18018 (http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18018)

Poster with pics (face, watch, shirt, ring): 
http://www.drps.ca/upload_files/Release_third_draft_20101116152744.pdf (http://www.drps.ca/upload_files/Release_third_draft_20101116152744.pdf)

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on November 16, 2010, 07:33:25 PM
That is a fairly big ring.  Size 9 1/2.   I saw a news clip tonight and I thought they described the shirt as being a man's.   Did anyone else see that news?   The ring was a nice large ruby type ring, that they showed, which is a new clue into this woman's identity.  They mentioned Simcoe St. in Oshawa, which would make me think that this victim is probably from Oshawa.   I would think she must have been a fair-sized person to wear a ring that large. 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Concerned on November 16, 2010, 07:53:16 PM
How do you place pictures on the site. Didn't we use to have a download option under Additional Options?  If someone knows how to do this, the pics are on the site

http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18018 (http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18018)

Also a poster they are hoping will get posted.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on November 16, 2010, 08:02:03 PM

Here are pictures of all but the poster.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Concerned on November 16, 2010, 10:24:36 PM
Thanks, debbiec!

jobo, that is a large size ring. Wonder if she wore it on an index finger or thumb. I hope someone recognizes the ring. Would be nice if Jane Doe had a name and a family to go back to.

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Woodland on November 17, 2010, 06:11:19 AM
I wonder if the renewed interest has to do with the arrest of Peter Dale MacDonald.

He has been charged with the murder of Michelle Charest, found at the entrance to the Ford plant in Windsor.  Similar to these remains found at the entrance to the Darlington Nuclear plant.  MacDonald is also charged with 3 murders in Toronto and convicted of 1 muder on Toronto - not far from these remains.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Edsonmom on November 17, 2010, 02:57:29 PM

Ring may be the key to '06 cold case

By JENNY YUEN, QMI Agency
 
 


BOWMANVILLE, Ont. — The key to identifying a woman, whose remains were found in a Bowmanville field in 2006, may lie in a garnet ring.

Igniting the cold case, Durham cops combed a field near Holt and South Service Rds. Tuesday, after recently finding two new pieces of evidence — a gold ring and a piece of a multi-coloured shirt.

“It’s a pretty unique ring in the sense it was a size 9.5, ladies garnet ring with two diamonds on either side — it would have been custom-made,” said Det. Chuck Nash, the lead investigator. “Inside the ring, it’s stamped ‘Burns,’ a local jeweller in Oshawa.”

Police said the remains belong to a caucasian woman, between the ages of 18 and 30.

A woman’s skull was initially found in the field in October, 2006 along with a digital watch, a 1980 Canadian penny, a piece of red ribbon and a small, red, heart-shaped object.

Interestingly, Nash said, the OMNI brass watch has a wristband that could only accommodate a small wrist while the ring is fairly large in size. 
 

A DNA profile of the victim can now be created, although no matches have been found, investigators said.

Investigators returned to the field on Oct. 27 — four years after the initial search took place. There has been a lot of water from inclement weather impeding police from looking under every nook and cranny, but with drier fields, the search has become easier.

“We have over the past four years investigated hundreds of missing person files, trying to match a missing person to our remains — that hasn’t been successful,” Nash said. “If this ring is connected ... there is a possibility the person may not be on file as missing. Perhaps a loved one will recognize the ring.”

Police released facial reconstruction images to get the public’s help in identifying the mystery woman in August 2009.

“Her teeth were in good shape, she’s missing the last wisdom tooth on the upper left portion of her mouth and she has both metal and composite fillings,” Nash said. “She also has a nasal fracture where the bone was well-set or as a result of rhinoplasty.”

The search will continue for several more weeks.

“That’s someone’s daughter out there; she doesn’t deserve to die in that field,” said Nash.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/16/16169386.html (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/11/16/16169386.html)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: amIam on November 17, 2010, 06:02:37 PM
I am unsure if this link has been posted elsewhere but on last evenings Toronto news the picture of this lady was posted both as an  artist's sketch as well as by computer.  Not certain if they are one an the same but the pics are identical.  There is new evidence.. a ring has been found as well as clothing.  These seemed to have been missed in the initial search as the area in which the skull was found was marshy and a bog..according to the news report.  The dryer than normal fall this year has unearthed new clues.
This is of course if the LE pictures  posted are the same.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on November 21, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Does anyone know how long her body was in  the field.??? Many years, or just in 2006.??
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Woodland on November 21, 2010, 10:08:29 PM
If LE knows how long she may have been there, it hasn't been released.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jellybean on December 15, 2010, 06:26:49 PM
Hmm. Large ring,  watch with small wrist band.  No, it doesn't match up, unless she wore her ring on her thumb.  The ring could also be a man's ring.  Men wear rings with gemstones too. Would you say, after having a second look at it, that it could be a man's ring?

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on December 16, 2010, 08:05:46 AM
To me it looks like a woman's ring....as it looks more feminine than masculine....but unless she wore it on her thumb, it really is pretty big. 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jellybean on December 16, 2010, 09:00:54 PM
Blue Rodeo is a name of a popular Canadian BAND They have their own website, and their own on line store. They sell T Shirts, etc, all with the Brand Name Blue Rodeo.  Below is the schedule of the Blue Rodeo Tours for 2006.  Could not find 2006 merchandise however, in their archives.
Now I intend to check out that ring.  I have seen others like it.  I don't think it was especially made for victim.


http://www.bluerodeo.com/tour/history/default.aspx?tourid=a929017d-6dc5-4b32-ab75-e5247f8950fc (http://www.bluerodeo.com/tour/history/default.aspx?tourid=a929017d-6dc5-4b32-ab75-e5247f8950fc)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jellybean on December 16, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/891964--who-is-this-woman (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/891964--who-is-this-woman)
OOps this is a better article in Toronto Star.  Jewellers closed in 96, and Tip Top Tailor's  sold this type of Blue Rodeo brand, until the Band complained about copy rights in 1996. Sorry about that loll.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on December 17, 2010, 08:07:46 AM
Oh yes...Blue Rodeo the band.   I wasn't clueing in.  I love their music.  They still play in Ontario a fair bit.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 06, 2011, 08:12:47 PM
To me the ring,watch and shirt look like a mans.  Tip Top Tailers was a mans store i thought back than.  Maybe its the skull of a man rather than a women and maybe those articles were misplaced or thrown there at a different time.  Oriently men are usually of a smaller stature than the average man.  Maybe that would explain the nose thing too, maybe it was badly broken.  Just a thought, also isn't Darlington Provincial Park out that way too, people are always passing through there and probably lose things on the way such as clothing and such.  Thats my thought and i am a women and i really think they look like mens belongings, i myself certainly wouldn't pick them out to wear.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: smartie on February 07, 2011, 01:25:29 PM
Maybe she wore the ring on a chain, or carried the watch in her pocket?  Family heirlooms maybe.  I wear a size 11 ring- and there is no way I could wear a small watch- sometimes i carry one in my pocket.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 07, 2011, 04:57:10 PM
I think it was stated though that the ring looked liked it had been worn rather than in a jewelery box somewhere, i guess referring that it had maybe scratches and wear marks on the ring.  I think if it was worn on a chain it would have been still attached to it,  Girls usually don't carry a watch in their pockets, thats usually a mans thing.  The watch and ring just looked too goddie and big for it to be a womens.  I have a question though what size was the shirt do they know?  But it too looks like a mans,  What about this red ribbon also found what kind of ribbon was it?  Was it like a scarf or bandana or headband or something like that?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 08, 2011, 06:15:00 AM
For the past two days I have been pouring through missing files, to try to come up with something.    One thing I did notice about this unidentified body is that they do have DNA.   I would imagine that because they do have DNA, they know for sure it is a woman.  I read somewhere they are looking for a woman that went missing anywhere from 1979-2006.  Quite the length of time to have to check back through.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 08, 2011, 07:35:47 AM
Is it possible that the ring,watch and shirt don't belong to the female remains.  Is there anything that can be examined on the ring,watch and shirt other than where it came from and the brand?  What was the size of the shirt?  Are there continued searches in that area where the remains and the ring, watch and shirt were found because obviously there must be more to be found?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 08, 2011, 08:28:56 AM
In October 2006 a citizen originally came across this unidentified woman's skull.   At that time the police search found the digital watch, a 1980 Cdn.penny, a piece of red ribbon, and a small red heart-shaped object.
In 2010 the police returned for another search of the area (as it had dried up considerably) and found the lady's gold garnet ring (size 9 1/2) and the unique multi-coloured shirt (I believe it was BlueRodeo brand).

I would have thought they would have found more bones, not sure if they did though.   I found a few names, that I am going to look into today.   One that came to mind is Elizabeth Bain...which I noticed this morning someone else mentioned yesterday on another thread....can't seem to find it right now, but that person was wondering what ever happened to her case.   Well, it was never solved, and strangely enough, I have not come across her name on any missing sites I have been searching lately.   Her body has never been found.  Her ex was cleared after being wrongly accused.    I found it coincidental that someone wondered about her yesterday on here, while I was probably making my mental note to double check her description, I can picture her, and her beauty, but I am looking for a missing woman to fit this Clarington unsolved, that has had an operation on her nose.   I think that is our best clue on matching the body to the person.     Just my opinion, though.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jellybean on February 08, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
There is a thread on this woman, and yes the ring is quite large.  I posted on it, and researched it, and this is not a child  also, the Blue River Band was going through the town at the time.  This was not a child.  Sorry, I will look back and try and find the thread and let you know.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 08, 2011, 12:47:10 PM
Maybe you should check out Misty Murray the girl that went missing on this site.  Apparently she wore rings on every finger and had red shorts on when she disappeared so maybe the red ribbon and heart shape decall would have matched her shorts.  By the sounds of it she looked after herself really well and liked nice things.  Just a thought
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 08, 2011, 04:22:22 PM
I had read about Misty Murray in my travels on www the other night, and kindof discounted her.   She had a gap between her teeth, which put me off, and it doesn't mention anything about any kind of nose operation.    I do, however, think there is some likeness with her and the unidentified woman's composite.   And, if she liked to wear rings, then the garnet one should be easy for her parents to identify.   Also, the ring is stamped with Burns Jewellers, a store in Oshawa, which I don't think would be someone from Goderich's first choice to go to buy a ring, unless they knew the owner or something.
As a side note,  did you see how the authorities railroaded Misty's Dad?    He lost almost everything.    Nothing like the disgraced (colonel) Williams and his wife's story is it?  Sad, how someone like Misty's family suffers the loss of their 16 yr old daughter, and Dad is wrongly accused, loses almost everything,(some due to negligence on the part of LE) and has to start all over. 
 Then you have the Williamses.  Their hardwood flooring is replaced by us taxpayers, instead of just being refinished..   Meanwhile both parties that owned the house at the time, were each making salaries over $100,000.   One of them being a serial panty raider and a serial killer.   Something wrong with that whole picture. 
Also, I wonder why they can't trace that ring through Burns Jewellers....
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 08, 2011, 05:40:47 PM
Well probably at the time she disappeared they weren't thinking to mention that because its not something that you would think would be significant unless you were looking at a skull.  Maybe someone should ask the family about that  if she had some kind of surgery with her nose.   Maybe they should also show the ring to the family.  With her teeth, yes it said there was a gap but also it said on the skull remains the front teeth were out or something like that.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 08, 2011, 06:32:03 PM
Last year I had speculated about Jami Furnandiz.. there is already a thread on this site for her, missing from Oshawa.
Here is a Link (I'm practising  ;))     
Home     Search : Missing Adults / Unidentified Adults      View A Specific Case 
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Name : FURNANDIZ, Jami Charlene
Case : ON-MF-1997-10-01069
 
Date Of Disappearance :  15 October 1997
Additional Images
Location Of Disappearance :  Port Perry, Ontario
Age At Disappearance :  18 years
Height (estimate) :  175 - 176 cm (5'8" - 5'9")
Weight (estimate) :  74 - 75 kg (163 - 165 lbs)
Hair Colour :  Blonde
- shoulder-length, strawberry blonde, red or auburn 
Eye Colour :  Brown
Gender :  Female
Race :  Caucasian
 
Dental Information :  Unknown
Medical Information :  Unknown
Notable Identifiers :  Left shoulder - tattoo showing a red heart with an arrow through it
Ankles - one ankle has a tattoo of a black spider; other ankle has a tattoo of the name "Stefan"

 
Clothing/Jewelry :  Jacket - black jean jacket
Pants - blue jeans
Shoes - "Doc Marten" brand
Other Personal Items :  Unknown

 
Additional Information :  At the time of her disappearance, Jami was visiting friends in Oshawa. She was last seen in downtown Oshawa.

 
Contact :  Durham Regional Police Service
905-579-1520 ext. 5223

OR

Crime Stoppers 905-436-TIPS (8477) or Toll-Free at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477)
Source Links :  Durham Regional Police Service
Lindsay Daily Post - 2001-05-09 
Last Modified :  2010-11-17
 

1997
1997
Progressed to age 23
 
Copyright 2007 - 2010 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 08, 2011, 06:35:11 PM
Actually that didn't work properly..hmm.  There was pics of her too.    Check out the thread already started in other locations in Ontario.   She was a heftier woman than most on missing lists, perhaps a bigger ring?
Also, she had a heart tattoo, (fondness for hearts?)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on February 08, 2011, 11:11:38 PM
I just viewed Jami Furnandiz missing persons file and you are so right that would explain a bigger ring and yes possible the heart too.  She was a young mom, and at the age of 18 she would of probably had her wisdom teeth because i remember them saying that the remains had a wisdom tooth.  Where she went to visit was a rough low income side of town in Oshawa and than to hitch hike, gosh didn't she have other options.  Her style of clothing was very casual black jean jacket, jeans, and doc martens so maybe that Blue Rodeo shirt would of fit right in with her style.  Being in Oshawa too, so its quit possible to purchase the ring at Burns jewelers, maybe it was from her boyfriend, maybe the baby's father.  Very interesting
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 12:30:06 PM
If I recall correctly, I read on the Elizabeth Bain thread that her mother was a Filipina. The skull found does have high cheekbones...
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 07, 2011, 01:17:03 PM
I always keep Elizabeth Bain in mind, when pouring through crimes, and locations.    We need to know if she ever had nose surgery, since they are saying these unidentified remains did have surgery.    There is not a whole lot of info on Elizabeth, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 02:32:18 PM
For a photograph of Elizabeth Bain, see
http://truenorthandme.blogspot.com/2008/04/elizabeth-bain-case.html
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on March 07, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
I thought of Elizabeth Bain too. Would'nt the investigators look into who has had nose surgery.??
1979 to 06 is quite a lengthy time span. You would think, they could narrow down the years of bones being exposed to the elements. Just wondering.
Maybe the large ring wasn't even worn on a finger, but left as a momento, or worn on a necklace.
The colored shirt looks like it's from the 80's.???
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 07, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
I always think and hope that police go through everyone when trying to match unidentified remains.   Correct me if I am wrong, but Elizabeth Bain's info doesn't come up much.   I believe I read that her parents still believe Baltovich did it, eventhough he has been cleared in a court of law (rightly so)  and they do not push LE for more.  Sad....all around.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 03:39:22 PM
1979-2006? I recall reading that the penny found with the remains was minted in 1980.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 11, 2011, 11:41:53 AM
My mother worked at Darlington and I remember her telling me that the police were searching the fields. Apparently the police had been asking everyone questions, but they were leaning more towards the person of interest being a truck driver since there is a truck stop not to far from their.

Anyways here is a new article, I live in Oshawa so I seen this in the local paper.

http://www.durhamregion.com/news/clarington/article/172975
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 11, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
Also, I read some where else that it wasn't necessarily a nose job, but a well set fracture. In my opinion, I'm thinking abusive relationship, women gets away and gets killed. Im also thinking if she was really well kept then maybe her clothing style was to date (ie) brand new watch and shirt.
But that is just my opinion.

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"The skull exhibits signs of a well-healed nasal fracture that was either extremely well-set by a doctor or as the result of rhinoplasty. You know, this person certainly did take care of [herself]," Det. Nash said.

http://www.680news.com/news/local/article/129834--durham-police-uncover-more-evidence-in-cold-case
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on March 12, 2011, 06:44:03 PM
I don't mean to put a damper on things but how come the new profile of the skull remains is so different from the original that was posted here on an earlier post.  How can they be so far off.  It just makes you wonder what one is more accurate.  Sorry!
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 12, 2011, 08:47:10 PM
I don't mean to put a damper on things but how come the new profile of the skull remains is so different from the original that was posted here on an earlier post.  How can they be so far off.  It just makes you wonder what one is more accurate.  Sorry!

I was wondering that too, it makes you even wonder if they are close? I feel like this case will never be solved, I hope it is solved but to me there is so much inconsistency, and so much unknown.

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 13, 2011, 07:05:42 AM
I heard on some show the other night "the skull doesn't lie", but in this instance, something is wrong.  I agree with you that these 2 reconstructions are very different from each other.   Perhaps with the first one the artist went overboard with the Rinoplasty idea, and in the second reconstruction they made the nose a more regular nose, as they had said it was well healed.
This whole story has many questions.   Why did it take two different searches, so far apart in time to come up with some very good clues?  They should not have missed them the first time.  Why aren't these clues leading the police to someone?   The ring was bought in Oshawa, I would think they should have been able to get more info on the ring. 
The police know who is missing from GTA and I hope to God they have gone through each woman missing in that time frame.    I thought of Jami Furnandiz (missing from Oshawa/Port Perry) and also Elizabeth Bain (missing from Scarborough).    I would think and hope the cops did too.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Greenley Family on March 13, 2011, 01:24:22 PM
I was also thinking of Jami Furnadiz, Her description is pretty close to the newest composite of the skull.  Why are they not checking into this!!!!  I am losing faith in the system Sorry!
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Angela Ellis on March 13, 2011, 06:08:50 PM
They have looked at hundreds of woman, it is very likely that this woman was never reported missing. As for the reconstruction, the most recent one will be most accurate imho since the artist is one of the best out there.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 13, 2011, 06:28:48 PM
The ring has to be one of the best clues on this woman's identity. The ring is from an Oshawa store...the remains were found near Darlington, not that far away.   I would tend to think this victim is from that area. Durham.  Who would not report her missing?   Like really, how often do people go missing and no one ever asks questions?   I suppose her boyfriend/spouse could say she ran off with another guy, and family would believe it....but I wouldn't.   
Composites may be great for many, but I do not do well with composites.   Would they have known if this woman had previously given birth?  It does not say one way or the other.   The more exposure the pics of the clothes and ring gets, and now the new composite, perhaps someone will see it.   It needs to be shown in Durham more. 
 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: cagney on March 17, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
I'm new on here and have been trying to read all the different threads to get caught up, but that will take me days......:)

I live in the GTA and have recently seen some news stories about the remains of the female, found by the Darlington Nuclear plant in 2006.  They have released a new composite and are hoping to identify her.  With the three different reconstructions now, hopefully someone will recognize her and contact the police!

I attached the three images, maybe someone on here may even recognize her.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: cagney on March 17, 2011, 05:21:02 PM
oops....didn't know this thread was already on here when I wrote that earlier.  Thanks for moving it over here whoever did that :)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 19, 2011, 07:21:12 AM
They have made the nose so totally different in the 2 different reconstructions.....not helping me one bit.

I cannot get Jami Furnandiz out of the equation (she even had a heart tattoo)...until someone tells me she has been ruled out.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 24, 2011, 11:21:25 PM
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last seen in the City of Ottawa in February 1988. She has not been heard from since this time.

Josee BOUTIN is described as a white female, 41 years old, 5 feet 5 inches, and 120 pounds and a medium build. BOUTIN has long brown hair and brown eyes.

The first sketch or model reminds me of Josee Boutin from Ottawa. I'm wondering if maybe since the remains were found near the 401 ramp she could have been brought their? Maybe the ring is not part of the case since A) Oshawa is not to far by
 B) there is a trail near that area, a provincial park close by.

the small wrist and big ring make no sense, unless the person had a broken finger or Arthritis?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 25, 2011, 05:50:27 AM
There is a likeness with the composite.   It would be nice to know if the police did look into comparing notes on Josee Boutin and this unidentified body.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 25, 2011, 09:02:08 AM
I sent it into tips asking if they had ruled her out.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Have faith on March 25, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
I definitely see a likeness in the forehead, brow, deep set eyes, bridge of the nose, nostril width, face shape, large teeth and short neck.

You have a good eye Jessica-.  This looks like a worthwhile tip and I'm glad you reported it.   

                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 27, 2011, 03:37:53 PM
I went on GOOGLE maps and took screen shots of the location.

1)The first picture is of how close the Darlington security station is to the entrance of the road.
On Google maps it shows the distance from security to the entrance of the road to be a whopping 18 second drive and a two minute walk.  To me it seems as though someone HAD to have seen something out of the ordinary.

2) It's a three minute drive from the 401 off ramp in Bowmanville coming from Oshawa total, time from Oshawa 401 : Aprox 10 minutes

3) The distance from the top of the road and the end of it is very limited, also notice the open area? Could this person be familiar with the area? work at the plant?  as it is said "The facility was constructed in stages between 1981–1993 by the provincial Crown corporation, Ontario Hydro."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington_Nuclear_Generating_Station

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on March 29, 2011, 05:43:53 AM
Jessica:   Did the cops rule out Jami Furnandiz?   Or do you know?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on March 29, 2011, 07:55:36 AM
No I never did ask specifically about her, I emailed them at www.missing-u.ca and talked to a constable from there.it was more of a "thank you for your interest in the case, Jose has been ruled out and many people have sent in many tips about Jose".

When I asked who was "ruled" out he never responded, it would make it a lot easier if they could just say, these missing ladies have ALL been ruled out.  >:(


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: lisageeez on March 29, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
Just kinda poking a round and noticed the ring in question is actually a birthstone ring.
It looks like maybe her birthstone was Garnet-January---Not a man's ring.
It looks like a custom design, Burn's jewellers were known to do custom designed jewellery-especially if you had the money.
I do think the ring was hers. I don't think this has anything to do with the actual crime of finding the person responsible for her abduction & murder.
The watch was sold at consumers distributing-their was 2 in Oshawa that I remember. The Oshawa Center and the one on Ritson South (behind the McDonalds)-i think ritson will check it out. Anyway this watch was cheap & very common I got one for a christmas present as a teen.
It does sound like Jamie from Port Perry though! 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on April 12, 2011, 04:59:21 PM
When ever I think of this crime I think

1) This person was around a bad ring of people.
2) I feel she ran away, and ended up in Oshawa and that's why there has been no connection.
3) Maybe she worked on the street? got into drugs?


I wish I knew, this case bothers me so much. This women died and her killer will probably never get put in jail, it makes me sad to know that.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on April 13, 2011, 06:29:26 PM
This case also bothers me, Jessica-.   It seems so solvable with the ring being evidence.   It is from a jeweller in Oshawa.   If it wasn't for the ring, our victim could be from anywhere, but the ring leads me to believe it is someone from the Durham area.  I am sure the cops would think the same though.   Unless this unidentified woman was never reported missing, so there is no reports.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on April 13, 2011, 08:44:15 PM
Thanks Jessica-  for the info on Darlington, screen shots, timing and distance. Awesome work.!
You would think they would be checking alot of dental records. Hope so.
I feel someone knew this was a quiet area, most likely someone coming off the highway.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on April 13, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
I'm thinking it had to have been someone that worked or did construction for the Darlington plant maybe when it was in it's first stages? they are thinking this body could date back to maybe 1979 and up, well the plant was being made from 1981–1993, and I'm sure surveying and all that stuff took place before 1981. It had to have been a time where there was no guards or very little protection there.

I mean  a guard is suppose to check out unusual activity, especially if a car is driving down a path near their gates and fences that are there to keep people out of the plant grounds.

For example (I know it is not nearly, or even remotely close) but as a teen we use to go to the local "haunted house" that was located on the outskirt property of the Ontario Power station, near the Pickering power plant but not in the gated area. With in 5 minutes of us going down there security was right there questioning us, and that house was not even near the guards station at all. We weren't even on the grounds and we were being told to go back.

Something tells me someone had to have seen something, maybe seen a good friend or co-worker doing something unusual? I mean who can pull up that close to a guards station and NOT be questioned? My mother even worked for Darlington and said who ever was working that night must have been blind because it's really not a hard spot to miss it's right there.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on April 14, 2011, 05:47:04 AM
I agree Jessica, that the security would have been pretty good around Darlington, once it was built.   I remember Pickering Plant too....and we were drawn to the area outside of the 'big city of Toronto'  but we didn't hang around much, due to security.

One would think that if this body was there before 1981..Or between 1981-1993 construction at Darlington should have come across it.  And then after 1993 (after it was built)...someone would have taken a huge chance, unless maybe they knew a fair bit about the security at Darlington?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on April 14, 2011, 10:02:24 AM
Absolutely agree :)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on April 26, 2011, 08:25:59 PM
Just throwing this out there, while doing a little history about Clarington I noticed they had festivals with huge or upcoming musicians. It was suppose to be the new "woodstock" and located in Bowmanville anyways the event dates are in order ...


Strawberry Fields was a 3-day concert in the 1970's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Festival

Canada Jam was held on August 26, 1978, it was only a day long but was one of the largest events until SARS fest in August 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Jam

Heatwave was a rock festival August 23, 1980
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosport

Edenfest was 3-day concert that took place July 12-14, 1996 (This was the last one)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edenfest

I mean the EdenFest was held in 1996, many people traveled from the states to be here and the festival had a estimated crowd of 70,000 and another 20,000 appeared after security failed.

Another point I would like to make is the highway 115 is a little east of the concert venue, the 115 runs alll the way through to Highway 2 and ends 10 minutes away from where the body was found.

I don't know how this women died, was she stabbed? strangled? shot? Could this be connected? I fell like this case could go either way.

Wish I could figure it out. :(

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: belleprincess2001 on May 29, 2011, 03:22:28 PM
 my sister Jami charlene furnandiz was wearin a ring with a larger amber stone when she went missin ..hers link to more info

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/furnandiz_jami.html
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on May 29, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
welcome belleprincess2001:    Did you see my post #40...I wondered if this Unidentified female was your sister Jami...(I believe other posters agreed)..have you called the police about the fact your sister had a ring with a large amber stone....I believe the police have the one they found in Clarington in their possession.   You may be able to get answers as to your sister's fate.     You really need to call the police.   I really was close to contacting them myself, as I thought there was a lot of similarities in the unidentified female, and your sister.   It really is worth the call, since you are related.   good luck, and let us know how you made out.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on July 31, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
my sister Jami charlene furnandiz was wearin a ring with a larger amber stone when she went missin ..hers link to more info

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/furnandiz_jami.html

Have you contacted the police about her ring? I know the one found with the deceased is a ruby or Garnet?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on August 16, 2011, 06:07:00 PM
It is now possible that the unidentified female was possibly mixed Aboriginal/Metis/Inuit heritage instead of just Caucasian.

http://www.missingadults.ca/viewUAcase.php?case=ON-UF-2006-10-00011#moreImages
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on August 16, 2011, 08:27:53 PM
http://help-identify-me.blogspot.com/
I just made a blog spot for this case, maybe someone will see it and remember her. *shrug*
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on August 27, 2011, 05:18:16 PM
I know I keep on posting on this case, so I apologize.

I am just reporting that I have seen this area up close and when I was there I noticed something that really caught my attention.Bare with me this post may be long, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

Firstly, I noticed that the entrance by the Darlington plant is not the only way to enter into the field where the body was found. There seems to be a little path, almost a little parking spot or an area that a car can hang out for a while. So when I got home I decided to Google map the area, and to my surprise, right where that spot is sits a parked semi truck. The thing is, this is not a spot where it is marked it is just extra gravel and disturbed dirt that makes up the area. I also found it weird how you can see the fencing directly in that area, but when you follow the fence it take you near the location of the body. This makes me fell like it was a quick way to get the body out of the way, and all you have to do is follow the fence back, hope in the car or truck and you're on your way.

Secondly, while I Google mapped the area and after seeing the truck parked in that area, I decided to Google where the closest truck stop or location of facilities could be. Again I was shocked to find that the closest facility was a truck stop, literally 3 minutes away (2.5km). So again I ask my self, why is a truck parked there? why would trucks park there when they only have to travel 3 minutes down the road (less if their speeding)? Again this is only a theory, but it makes me think of all the times I have seen a truck parked on the side of the road and have thought that they are probably sleeping in the cab.

They always say that a killer chooses to dump a body in a location that they are most familiar with, so that makes me think truck driver or someone affiliated with the Darlington plant. If it was a truck driver trying to get rid of the body, he may have had a hard time finding a location and remembered the spot before the truck stop. Within minutes he could have dropped the body, went to the truck stop for what ever, returned to his employer and received a new truck with a new load to transport anywhere in Ontario or Canada. Within 12 hours he could be so far away, no one would have caught him or even thought it was him. Just a thought.

I am not saying this truck has anything to do with the case, but just seeing how it was parked their and seeing how close it was to the second entrance made me wonder the possibilities that could have happened.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on August 28, 2011, 09:21:19 PM
I keep thinking of her too Jessica.  I wonder if they have an approx. height for this woman. I can't find it if there is. I am working on all women with a gap in front teeth when I have the time.
Someone travels the 401 and was familiar with this spot forsure.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on August 29, 2011, 07:39:12 AM
Truckers??
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on August 29, 2011, 07:41:09 AM
Just a theory.
*Edit* I hope I didn`t offend anyone, I`m just trying to say maybe this person (male or female) drove a truck or could have been associated with the Darlington plant.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on August 29, 2011, 07:46:16 AM
I keep thinking of her too Jessica.  I wonder if they have an approx. height for this woman. I can't find it if there is. I am working on all women with a gap in front teeth when I have the time.
Someone travels the 401 and was familiar with this spot forsure.

Yeah they have never posted a height, as far as I am concerned.
I remember reading a article saying they had found a skull and some other bones, I am assuming they never found enough to determine a height
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on September 07, 2011, 06:25:23 PM
Darlene Ynonne Tucker

http://ourmissingchildren.gc.ca/cgi-bin/case.pl?id=140&lang=eng

She may be a bit young, but could be her.??
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 08, 2011, 09:15:09 PM
Darlene Ynonne Tucker

http://ourmissingchildren.gc.ca/cgi-bin/case.pl?id=140&lang=eng

She may be a bit young, but could be her.??

It says Darlene has 2 missing teeth, but I remember finding an article saying the unidentified female only had 1 missing tooth (wisdom tooth) I too had looked at Darlene Tuckers picture and wondered if it could have been her. There is actually a lady  (Mildred Batoche)who went missing in Alberta which looks like some of the models of he unidentified female. Probably isn't her but I had a huge  ??? moment. I'll post the link but she went missing in 1967 from Edmonton Alberta. If the date wasn't so long ago I would really think it might be her and especially after reading On the farm (the book about the Picton murders) and all of the women who migrated from Ontario to BC, I believe at least 7 women mentioned in the book were born and raised in Ontario an they moved to BC in order to get away, and make a better life. Makes you think could this unidentified female been born and raised somewhere out of Ontario? Ended up in the Durham region and never made it out?

Sorry I'll stop rambling lol

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2676dfab.html




Also I have to contribute about the teeth. Why was only one wisdom tooth removed , don't they usually remove all wisdom teeth?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 09, 2011, 02:09:21 AM
When I had my wisdom teeth removed, they removed 3 and left the fourth to come in.   It depends on how much room there is for them, or if they are giving you grief or not.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on September 09, 2011, 08:13:01 AM
from Jessica-:
Quote
Also I have to contribute about the teeth. Why was only one wisdom tooth removed , don't they usually remove all wisdom teeth?

Not everyone has all of their wisdom teeth come in. Perhaps she only had one, or as jobo has mentioned perhaps the one that had been removed had been bothering her.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: redbeard on September 09, 2011, 09:42:59 AM
Jessica - I grew up in Bowmanville and know the area very well.  I believe you are referring to The Fifth Wheel Truck Stop, where hungry young youths with nothing else to do at 2 AM can go for endless refills of coffee and chicken parmigiana :)  Not sure what it's like now, but I do remember that there sometimes used to be "lot lizards" - prostitutes who solicit in truckstop parking lots - around there from time to time.
I think the trucker theory is a good one.  The victim looks Native Canadian to me.  Maybe one of many unfortunate indigenous women who find themselves catching one last ride along a highway somewhere.  Or perhaps she was picked up at the truck stop.  The ring does seem to indicate otherwise though.  One thing we do know is that the murder wouldn't have been motivated by profit, or else the body would have been stripped of jewellery.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 09, 2011, 09:27:07 PM
Redbeard I also use to stop by the Fifth Wheel for a late night snack or while we were on our way to our friends in Cobourg. I remember my mom use to get mad at me for going alone there when I was 17, as she put it there were a lot of "shady people" and drugs there ,I don't know how much of that is true or if she was just being paranoid  ::)

As for the victim being Native, I absolutely agree but a lot of news articles I have read suggest otherwise. I did come across a very informative page dedicated to the victim that suggested she was Caucasian and Aboriginal. (http://www.missingadults.ca/viewUAcase.php?case=ON-UF-2006-10-00011#moreImages). I believe a little north of Peterborough there is a reserve? Alderville First Nation in Roseneath. I usually pass by on my way to Campbellford and it is about an hour away from Bowmanville, I wouldn't think anyone would come this far to dispose of a body since Roseneath is in the middle of woods, there would be less of a risk I think to dump remains there then to travel an hour to Bowmanville and dump the body near a secure and guarded area.


Which brings me to my next questions. Why would someone drop the body so close to the Darlington plant, from 81-93 the plant was being built so wouldn't they come across a body if it was discarded there? wouldn't a smell attract the people putting the fencing up along the perimeter?  And if they did discard the body there at a later date why didn't the Darlington security pick them up, or notice any suspicious behavior. I mean they are suppose to be guarding a nuclear plant. (Sorry I get upset that some one was just dumped here and someone could have seen it)I have said this before in a different post but when you goof around near the fencing of the Pickering plant, security no matter how far you are from the base will come and talk to you, shouldn't it be the same for Darlington especially if it is almost by the entrance.

Why would someone pick a risky area?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 10, 2011, 06:25:00 AM
There is also Hiawatha Reserve on Rice Lake....which is north of the 401.

I am not so sure the security at the plants is as good as they brag it is.   Remember 9/11?   Our Nuclear Plants went under top security.....and what do they find?   Two guys out fishing in Lake Ontario, completely unaware of the terrorists threats.....luckily they were just two guys fishing....;)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: nightmoves on September 13, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
I Redbeard am also from Bowmanville and spent some time at the Fifth Wheel.  There was also a smaller little restaurant/truck stop that was near Darlington Park in the other direction. It was also on the same road, and was relatively easy access to the location of the body.  Pull out there, down the road, then hop on 401 at the top of Bowmanville.  Just a thought.  I know it is closed now, but I believe it was open at the time.

There is also an Indian Reservation on Curve Lake just north of Peterborough, as well as the ones mentioned.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 13, 2011, 10:30:50 AM
Wow, thanks for that information, I had no cue that there was a truck stop their   :o
Do you by any chance remember the name?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: nightmoves on September 13, 2011, 10:35:25 AM
Let me ask some of my friends and relatives! Will get back!
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 13, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: nightmoves on September 14, 2011, 09:36:12 AM
http://urbex.mikeonline.ca/galleries/2010/Roadside_Restaurant/index.html

This was the original name.  Then it became 'Stippy's'.  It was both a restaurant and gas bar, with alot of parking right near Darlington Provincial Park.  I hope the link comes through.  A little quieter than the Fifth Wheel.  Just a thought of mine!
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 14, 2011, 10:15:20 AM
nightmoves....do you know the dates this restaurant/gas bar opened, and then re-opened and then closed?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: nightmoves on September 14, 2011, 11:54:31 AM
I will see if I can dig them up...I know it was open when I lived in Bowmanville and I left in 1986.  It was the original name and place then.  I will find out when it closed down and reopened and closed for good.  It has been abandoned for quite some time now!
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 16, 2011, 10:20:24 AM
Im trying to search from information but it seems to be bringing up nothing.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on September 16, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/CrimeFiles/People_Identify_Find/index.aspx
File # 13
Janet Brunet would have been 28 yrs. old, missing, Ottawa, Jan. 1988.
The photo is a bit of a side view, looks like she has an overbite. Can't really tell if she has a space.

Skeletal remains in Clarington-"She also had prominent upper and lower teeth that protruded.""Her upper teeth protruded more than her lower teeth."
Wish I could have a look at everyone's smile.


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 16, 2011, 11:46:55 AM
I don't think they said the remains had a gap between the front teeth, just an overbite...no?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 16, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
Yeah it  was just an overbite she had.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 17, 2011, 07:00:21 AM
What about Frances Ann Young? She went missing in BC but was seen in Toronto? Her face look similar to a model of the unidentified. I guess it could make sense, she was seen in Toronto so was she trying to get back home? Could she have hitch hiked and found herself in a bad situation?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1645dfbc.html

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 17, 2011, 10:32:58 AM
Jessica- I hate to ask,  I can't seem to remember exactly, but aren't they saying the victim was a bigger woman, not so petite? 
 I know I was thinking that, because of the ring size, but I thought I read it somewhere too.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on September 17, 2011, 10:53:01 AM
I have never seen a web site saying a weight or height. The watch found near the body was for a petite wrist and the ring size was or a larger female. But if she had Anemia and bone changes like one article stated, could that be why the watch is so small compared to the ring?

Hmm I'm going to search and see if  I can find that, would be helpful to know she was bigger or smaller, thanks :)

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on September 17, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
I have small wrists and big fingers, and I am not a big person.   I noticed that fact about the watch being for a smaller wrist when I looked back this morning.   And I wondered too.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on September 18, 2011, 09:29:24 AM
So, if the shirt was manufactured between 1995 and 1996, can we say that we are looking for someone missing around 1995 - 2005.
Note, the men's shirt was located "nearby", could be that the perp.  removed his soiled bloody shirt, and left it behind, ???-  or either she was wearing it and the perp removed the shirt.????
I have a feeling she was not wearing the shirt.  No other clothing was found.??


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on October 13, 2011, 11:45:50 AM
From the beginning of this case I always got the impression that the items were scattered throughout the area which is why they only found some bones, which means the actual body dump could have been somewhere behind the fence before they put it up (that's just my opinion). If they are confidant that the body was dumped where they found it  and that's all they found they should be aloud to search behind the fence and they should be searching the woods near those areas.  I don't think or know if they even searched behind the fence near the Darlington plant, I think they just stayed in that remote area. Animals do drag away pieces of the body to feed their young or themselves who knows someone might find some remains in a different area, if you look at the maps you will notice there are several areas with many tree's that could hide a body one is right by the fence line where the original body location was found.
Taken from an article: "In 2010, police conducted a wider search of the area. Two items were recovered which may be related to the unidentified woman. Found was a ladies ring and the remnants of an unique hooded shirt. " This makes me think they need to be searching further in the woods and further into the fields, they should round up volunteers to help search if they can I know I would be willing to help.

art-hu I believe they are going back to 1979, but the watch indicates 80's and the clothing indicates mid 90's, I think they might think she was a run away which is why they are asking from 1979 because it gives a better time span and with the lack of information I think they are holding onto anything possible.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on October 14, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
In my eyes, it is hard to know for sure if everything found is connected.   The searches were done years apart.  It probably wouldn't hurt for the Authorities to search again.  Over the fence line, like you say Jessica-. 

This is an unsolved murder that I think the Police Foundations students and others studying to be in Criminology, should be taken to search the area, to learn, and hopefully in the process find more evidence.   Students need more hands on training, and the cops need more help.  In my opinion.

It really is too bad that the ring cannot be traced better.   If the clothing suggests 90's....then that is what we have to go by....our Unidentified Female went missing in the 90's.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on November 09, 2011, 06:30:23 AM
Hey, Jessica-, don't worry about posting this crime here.   That is what this forum is for!  Not sure if you have read many of the other threads, but we tend to go off a bit, but you never know who and what is connected, so it's best not to leave stones unturned.
It happened, like you say, in the area...and 2 dangerous guys killed another in Pickering, and another at Gagnon Sports. 

Now that you brought it up, I remember that crime.   It was crazy what these 2 did.  People were shocked at the brazeness of their crime spree.   The timing seems to fit in.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on November 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
I know I keep on posting on this case, so I apologize.

I am just reporting that I have seen this area up close and when I was there I noticed something that really caught my attention.Bare with me this post may be long, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

Firstly, I noticed that the entrance by the Darlington plant is not the only way to enter into the field where the body was found. There seems to be a little path, almost a little parking spot or an area that a car can hang out for a while. So when I got home I decided to Google map the area, and to my surprise, right where that spot is sits a parked semi truck. The thing is, this is not a spot where it is marked it is just extra gravel and disturbed dirt that makes up the area. I also found it weird how you can see the fencing directly in that area, but when you follow the fence it take you near the location of the body. This makes me fell like it was a quick way to get the body out of the way, and all you have to do is follow the fence back, hope in the car or truck and you're on your way.

Secondly, while I Google mapped the area and after seeing the truck parked in that area, I decided to Google where the closest truck stop or location of facilities could be. Again I was shocked to find that the closest facility was a truck stop, literally 3 minutes away (2.5km). So again I ask my self, why is a truck parked there? why would trucks park there when they only have to travel 3 minutes down the road (less if their speeding)? Again this is only a theory, but it makes me think of all the times I have seen a truck parked on the side of the road and have thought that they are probably sleeping in the cab.

They always say that a killer chooses to dump a body in a location that they are most familiar with, so that makes me think truck driver or someone affiliated with the Darlington plant. If it was a truck driver trying to get rid of the body, he may have had a hard time finding a location and remembered the spot before the truck stop. Within minutes he could have dropped the body, went to the truck stop for what ever, returned to his employer and received a new truck with a new load to transport anywhere in Ontario or Canada. Within 12 hours he could be so far away, no one would have caught him or even thought it was him. Just a thought.

I am not saying this truck has anything to do with the case, but just seeing how it was parked their and seeing how close it was to the second entrance made me wonder the possibilities that could have happened.




http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/05/local/me-serialkillers5

A computer database maintained by the FBI has grown to include information on more than 500 female crime victims, most of whom were killed and their bodies discarded at truck stops, motels and other locations along popular trucking routes crisscrossing the U.S.

The database also has information on scores of truckers who've been charged with killings or rapes committed near highways or who are suspects in such crimes, officials said. Authorities said they do not have statistics on whether driving trucks ranks high on the list of occupations of known serial killers.

But the pattern in roadside body dumps and other evidence has prompted many investigators to speculate that the mobility, lack of supervision and access to potential victims that come with the job make it a good cover for someone inclined to kill.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on November 23, 2011, 07:19:17 PM
I read up about identifying the gender of skulls (for starters) and it says there are 3 points in determining gender:
                                                                    1)  Ridges above the eyes
                                                                    2)  Bone situated just below the ear
                                                                    3)  Bone located at lower back of skull
All I can say to those facts is that I hope to hell the pathologist was competant.   After all, we have all heard stories of disgraced Dr.Smith.
A lot of your post makes sense and would fit, except that would mean whoever studied the remains made a huge mistake in identifying the sex.  That is not out of the realm of possibilities, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on November 23, 2011, 07:24:16 PM
No, I don't think you're nuts. You may be very right. Although I think when they did the bone testing, results were,  the bones came from a female. I really don't know how that works. Maybe someone here can fill us in. One would think with the technology today, they would be sure of that.??

thanks, jobo for the info.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on November 23, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
I would HOPE that they got it right, but there is always the possibility. Most likely the remains are female but what gets me is how all the facial drawings and models are all different, so different. As I said the new one reminds me of Nikki, probably isn't him but you never know these days.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on November 23, 2011, 07:36:28 PM
from Concerned:
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The investigative search has revealed several new artifacts that may be related to this case, including a ladies gold ring (size 9½) and an additional piece of clothing identified as a unique multi-coloured shirt. In addition, investigators have now been able to create a DNA profile of the unnamed female victim, although no matches have been made.


This quote is taken from an article on page 1 of this thread. It says that investigators were able to create a DNA profile of the victim. That would likely be how it was determined that this victim was female.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on November 23, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
Does the DNA specify female and male? sorry I thought DNA could only link someone to a scene, family, or bodily fluids i didn't know a gender could be taken out of it. Not trying to derail this case I can delete the comments if you want. I think I need to educate myself on DNA  ::)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: art-hu on November 23, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
Maybe you could post some of your findings on DNA here, Jessica.?? And I don't think you should delete your comments. You have some very good points, for study.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on November 23, 2011, 08:34:52 PM
DNA can definetely determine sex.  But, keep digging Jessica-, one day this mystery will be solved.


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on February 19, 2012, 11:00:52 PM
A man harvesting dogwood plants called police on his cellphone when he stumbled across a skull in a boggy field at Holt Rd. and the South Service Rd., just off the eastbound 401 exit near Bowmanville, on Oct. 27, 2006.

Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/891964--who-is-this-woman?bn=1#article

This statement has truly always bothered me. As far as I'm concerned harvesting Dogwood plants is usually done in the spring time, as they are just starting to pollinate and bloom . I asked my grandmother  and she informed me Dogwood plants from the wild can carry some disease so anyone who is familiar with dogwood plants (as this person should have been) they should already be aware of this as it is a known fact on these plants. Not to mention flooding (which is what stopped the search from continuing and why the field was boggy) ruins the Dogwood plants and can actually kill them, resulting in a bad "batch" of plants.Not to offend anyone, but maybe the person who found her maybe felt guilty. Not saying they killed her but maybe they knew where she was and it weighed heavy on them.

Although that does seem a bit off what also worries me is that Dogwood plants are a source of food that attract many animals, from Foxes, Raccoons, deer and birds. Their main source of food was near this poor women, who knows what those animals could have taken and made a nest out of. I really think if the DRPS searched the fields near by and forest they honestly might find more clues. DRPS GET ON IT!


/ crazy theories.





Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Coral on February 20, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
Do we know for certain that this female was murdered?  If I understand correctly, a skull was found, and later some items of clothing and a ring.  Could she have been walking out there, whether it be just a stroll, or a vagrant living in the field, and died from the elements, perhaps in a snowstorm, without proper clothing on?  Do we know for certain that the items found were hers?  Was her DNA found on these items, or could they belong to someone else?
If she was murdered, do we know for certain that all of her was placed in this location?  Is it possible she was dismembered and only her skull was placed here?
I find it hard to believe that all this evidence is here, and no one has made a connection.  Maybe there is too much unrelated evidence, and there is no connection which is throwing people off and discounting who she is, where she is from, her age, etc. Maybe those items were in the field before her.
We need a clearer statement from law enforcement as to what was found, if it has her DNA and is hers for certain.  I also think that more of an effort needs to be made to link her and her DNA to that of missing people across Canada. Maybe she was abducted when she was younger.  She may have been held somewhere, and killed when she was older.  I can't understand how in this day and age with so much technology and advancement, we can't figure out who she is.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 20, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
I would like to hear back from belleprincess2001...her Reply #62 is on this thread.   

I agree Coral, you would think this is more solvable than it has proved to be.  I would at the very least think there would be better answers regarding the jewellrey.  Belleprincess2001 says her sister (Jami) had a ring like the one found.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Coral on February 20, 2012, 04:18:00 PM
I think Belleprincess said her sister had an amber ring.  Those are usually brown.  Amber can be lighter and yellowy, or dark and brown.  The ring found in the vicinity of the skull is red, likely garnet or ruby.  It does not sound like the same ring.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on February 20, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
Coral I absolutely agree with you, I have asked the officers questions and I never received any reply, not even a "I'm sorry we cannot discuss this matter". So many theories go through my head, Hitch hiker, murdered, Homeless, Suicide? I honestly think there is another body out in the woods or fields. There are so many areas for another body to be discarded and I believe this because of  A) The clothing is male B) The watch and ring don't really add up, one is for a larger person where as the watch is for a small wrist .

The Police need to search the surrounding area, I'm sure they would locate something else whether it be I.D or another artifact.
How are people suppose to help if we're willing to help but the police aren't willing to put in the effort, what have they done since 2010? HIRED A SKETCH ARTIST. There has been no other developments or searches since 2010 except for a sketch from Diana Trepkov, which might I add is a very good sketch but looks NOTHING like the other ones, so what sketch do we go by?


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on February 20, 2012, 05:24:03 PM
It appears that police have not given up on identifying this lady. This article is from March 2011.
 
Homicide Investigators Handing Out Flyers in Investigation
25-Mar-2011 14:28 PST


DRPS Homicide investigators are advancing their investigative efforts within Project Vigilant – the Missing Person, Unidentified Female investigation - with the distribution of information flyers, to be delivered to select households within the Region over the next couple of weeks.

The remains of this unidentified female were located in a field near the South Service Road and Holt Road in the Municipality of Clarington in October 2006. Located with the female human remains was a ladies OMNI digital watch with a stainless steel strap, likely sold during the 1980’s. Also located near the deceased was a ladies gold ring, set with a garnet and two small diamonds.

Attached is the flyer containing images of the evidence collected at scene along with images of three separate forensic artistic reconstructions.

The flyers are being hand-distributed, to targeted neighborhoods within Durham Region, by a contracted distribution agency and will arrive to homes which border Highway 401 between Pickering and Bowmanville over the next three weeks.

Investigators are asking the general public to view the contents of the flyer and contact police with any new information which might assist in the identification of this unidentified female. All information will be investigated.

Anyone with new information is asked to contact Det. Chuck Nash (ext. 5402) or D/Cst. Murray Rose (ext. 5420) of the Major Crime Homicide Unit at 1-888-579-1520. Anonymous tips can be made to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS) or www.durhamregionalcrimestoppers.ca and tipsters may be eligible for a cash reward of up to $2,000. 

http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18693 (http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=18693)

Below is a new image. At the link there is also a PDF file that can be viewed.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on February 20, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
Funny, I live in Whitby and travel to Oshawa daily, and I have yet to see a flyer.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on February 20, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
Funny, I live in Whitby and travel to Oshawa daily, and I have yet to see a flyer.

It sounds like these flyers were delivered right to people's doors. That may explain why you haven't seen any.

Quote
DRPS Homicide investigators are advancing their investigative efforts within Project Vigilant – the Missing Person, Unidentified Female investigation - with the distribution of information flyers, to be delivered to select households within the Region over the next couple of weeks.

Quote
The flyers are being hand-distributed, to targeted neighborhoods within Durham Region, by a contracted distribution agency and will arrive to homes which border Highway 401 between Pickering and Bowmanville over the next three weeks.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on February 20, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Maybe I should read he I'm not tired, I might retain information lol
Sorry Debbiec
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Coral on February 23, 2012, 05:42:16 PM
A few door to door posters are not enough.   If they really want to find out who this is, it needs to be televised on the evening news, or on a national show across Canada.  If they can devote prime time news time to cats and dogs being poisoned or chased by a neighbourhood coyote, they can devote 30 seconds to solving this human remains find.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: TLG on February 25, 2012, 01:10:18 PM
A few door to door posters are not enough.   If they really want to find out who this is, it needs to be televised on the evening news, or on a national show across Canada.  If they can devote prime time news time to cats and dogs being poisoned or chased by a neighbourhood coyote, they can devote 30 seconds to solving this human remains find.

Very Well Put.  We can spend 25 million on a penguin exhiibit at a zoo, but we can't spend the money to protect and feed those in need.  Umph,  Gov't has their priorities all wrong
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on May 20, 2012, 10:19:52 AM
Just wanted to say I visited this site yesterday at around 10:30 pm, I was coming home from a friends and thought I should pass by. Anyways I noticed that this road is very untraveled at this time, I didn't even pass 1 car during the drive and even when I stopped to look around there was no one. This place is so close to HWY 401 that when I was turning on Holt Rd, I swore I was getting on the on ramp to the 401. When I was driving I also noticed how lit up the area near the power plant is, I'm almost 100% confidant to say that the killer or whoever was with her did not use that entrance if in fact the Darlington plant was up and running. It is way to bright, and way to close to the road to take the chance. Not to mention it is a huge risk since that whole entrance is lit up way to much.

**Edit due to rethinking*

Anyways, even though I know the area a tiny bit I found my self very disoriented because #1 there are barely (if any) lights on that stretch of Holt Rd. If the killer was not to  know to the area *I THINK* that they would have panicked as it is such a long stretch of road with little lighting. I think they would of had to know the area quite well to plan out where to put that body and not be spotted, and be able to make a dash for it (Exits at the rest stop and Holt Rd).

#2 I believe they knew the road was vary rarely used, first of all at 10:30 at night I did not pass one car, not one. Even when I traveled North bound off of Holt rd I only seen One car and it was by HWY#2. When I reached Bloor before #2 that was barely lit up, it almost looked like back roads. So lets think if in 2012 it is this isolated at night, what would it be like in the 80's, 90's or early 2000? probably much more isolated, easy to get away.

#3 I know I sound crazy, but when I pulled up and parked I thought that the Perp came from 5th wheel and when he almost got to the area turned off his lights and coasted to the spot. Used the fence as a guide line and dumped her body, and then quickly got on the 401 out of sight and never to be seen.




Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on June 10, 2012, 10:20:20 AM
I went to visit the location again and they have begun construction across the street. When I was driving by a police car was parked in front of the construction site, maybe to guard the area? I have never seen that before.

Anyways I am hoping that maybe digging up the area and building there they might find things to do with this case *Fingers crossed*
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on June 11, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Interesting, Jessica.  I wonder if the Police just happened to be there, or if they are going to be checking out the job site just in case more evidence comes forth. 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on June 12, 2012, 09:14:33 AM
I really hope they are going to find something important to the case and that's why the police are there. I have seen security patrol construction sites but i have never seen police patrol them.  This office was just sitting there watching everyone drive by, he couldn't even chase you for speeding if he wanted to because there was a barrier in front of his car.

*I've included a picture*

Red Dot = Police/ construction
Green Dot= Approx. Body location.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Logical on June 12, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
I am not sure if we can assume all if any of these articles are evidence. It is confusing to read all the reports as "remains" when a skull was initially reported then a few bones, never identified (unless I missed that) what bones. The only true evidence I see is the skull, any forensics of the skull, which it seems LE has done this as reports of the belief that the remains were deceased for at least 2years, I am not sure what year they stated that but remember reading it.

I looked back at the whether reports for the summer/fall of 2006 and southern Ontario was hit hard with bad storms and many tornadoes north of Clarington in the cottage country. The winds were very strong, and could have blown these items to this area, the elbow the fence and tree line create would hold many items.

Also as mentioned earlier animals will carry food away from the actual/original resting place.

I want to know where the rest of the remains are, this will be more concrete evidence to follow for me anyway.

I appreciate that not all the pictures are exact replica's, someone searching for a loved one might be looking for a certain "look" or expression on the face.

I think we need to keep comparing her with missing women and hope she has a loved one thinking of her.

I have seen many US women it could be as well but read that the Durham police have checked north America missing for her already and continue to do so.

Logical


Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on November 06, 2012, 04:51:06 PM
Joyce PATTISON
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on November 06, 2012, 06:40:23 PM
I tried to find info on Joyce Pattison. I see she went missing from Hamilton in 1989 with her two children...ages 4 and 2. (I found the children, Ashley and Andrew on the DoeNetwork.  (#1275DFON).

I also read she had a heart tattoo on her left shoulder.

I am not very good with composites, but there is similarities, I would say.  Such as the shape of the face, and possibly the mouth.  The eyes and nose are also similar....lol...in other words, there is a likeness.....but where are the children?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: forest on December 07, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
I wonder if this woman is linked to the UI woman found in Napanee in 1984. Both were dumped just off the 401 in rural areas.  Both ladies seem to have taken good care of themselves. Both had fractures to the skull  for some reason. There is the 5th Wheel truck stop very close by to where the Bowmanville lady was found...could this have been a trucker travelling East to West or vice versa? Dumping bodies along the way? Another possibility that runs through my mind is the UI woman found in cobourg....dumped in a wooded area. That is not too far off hwy 401 either, and in between Napanee and Bowmanville. Another one is the UI remains of a woman found in Rockwood.....dumped at a rest area just off Hwy #7...another possible truck route. Getting back to the Bowmanville remains.....I wonder if that large ring belonged to the perp....could have lost it accidently during the ordeal...or perhaps it was inherited to the UI woman from a grandmother or something. As far as the red ribbon....perhaps that was used to bound her hands together, and animals eventually scattered the remainder of her. Or....if you ever take a stroll down Lake ontario, have a look at all the garbage on the beach.....could it be a coincidence that it just blew close to the body? Or blew out of someones car who worked at the nucular plant? I dunno, just a few senarios :)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: forest on December 07, 2012, 11:30:49 PM
Another piece that comes to mind is the UI female found in the Nation River in casselman. She seemed well cared for before her poor body was found floating in the river. Manicured nails ect.  Also... along another truck route. I smell hitchiking, prostitution, human trafficking, foster homes....or just plain ole picking up at a bar. The Bowmanville woman was wearing a Blue Rodeo shirt... Were these woman just out having a good time and fell into the hands of an unsuspecting perp? I just dont get why they havent been identified by ANYONE!!! I mean....there is enough evidence with each one that someone, somewhere should be able to recognise atleast the clothing. The age range for these females are all very similar, and the circumstances around the way they were found are also similar with a few differences ( e.i - Rockwood woman was covered with a sleeping bag, Nation River lady bound with mens neck ties) But maybe the perp had different circumstances with each woman...not able to perforn the same tatics each time. After reading about them all....and I know there are more....I just FEEL a connection. jmo
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Curiousness on January 25, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Joyce PATTISON

I believe Joyce is alive and 'well' in the UK as supposedly are the children who are relatives. Perhaps one day we'll know the truth behind this family mystery.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: debbiec on January 25, 2013, 11:45:36 AM
Joyce PATTISON

I believe Joyce is alive and 'well' in the UK as supposedly are the children who are relatives. Perhaps one day we'll know the truth behind this family mystery.

What are you basing this statement on?
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: york3404 on February 06, 2013, 07:53:14 AM
I was thinking about the ring and clothing and was wondering if this female is tall. I think a taller women say almost 6ft like 5,9"or 5,10" could explain her having a larger ring. As she would have longer and slightly wider fingers then a smaller women.  This could also explain if the shirt is hers, as she may have had a really hard time buying woman clothing. She would have needed longer shirts.  I could not find a size estimate for these remains.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on January 27, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
Just updating you all I submitted a lady that was just put on Canadas missing as of last week? I have already contacted the investigating officer and Canadas missing to see if she has already been ruled out.

Cons: Clothing doesn't match, however that wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

However I did speak with an investigator about three weeks ago and they confirmed they thought the remains were of someone not in the area and that it was a body dump, since she was from Mississauga and her family lives currently in Durham it makes me wonder..

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on January 27, 2015, 07:02:05 PM
Here is her page if you're interested.

https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=2014004068&id=23

Unfortunately there is nothing else on the web about her.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: butterflies on January 28, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Oh wow what a resemblance. Great eye Jessica! Fingers crossed.

 I just wanted to add, maybe the ring was a gift from a family member/friend who purchased the ring in Oshawa. So realistically she would be from anywhere visiting.

Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: Jessica- on January 29, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
It's not Alexandria, apparently they already matched her to the remains... Oh well back to square 1.
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on January 30, 2015, 02:42:34 AM
Good try, Jessica.   
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: 2soccermom on January 30, 2015, 04:25:01 AM
yes, Jessica -- great effort! Thank you for being so active on this (even if it didn't work out this time.)
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: jobo on February 01, 2015, 03:40:26 AM
I was reading back about the talk that this victim might be Native.  The DNA should confirm that, wonder if the authorities have the results.
Also I forgot to mention that there is a Reserve on Scugog Island, Port Perry. 
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: forest on January 20, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
There are many native reserves all across Canada...perhaps she was taken and dumped in Bowmanville to try and stay out of the radar
Title: Re: Unidentified Female Found | 18 - 30 yo | Clarington ON | October 27, 2006
Post by: york3404 on October 25, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
I came across a theory I've been sitting on for a bit only because the woman I think this woman may be I can't seem to find an actual missing person's report. I did call the police and they don't seem to have a record for her and it seems out of character since the police do not know where this woman or her kids are but the kids are listed as missing.However I only came across her because she is attached to two missing kids and cross examining other remains found I came across the kids. Looking at the bottom you see a small blur about the mother.  Her name is Joyce Pattison and she's linked to her kids Ashley and Andrew Pattison. I almost didn't even look twice at the mother but for some reason I thought of the remains found in Bowmanville 2006. I took a closer look at the mother and it struck some kind of cord in me that had me come back to this case. The ties I can make between both is as follows.
Joyce Pattison is known to be 5'9" tall weighing only 114lbs. So tall and skinny. D.O.B is 1970 she was known to have scars and a heart shaped tattoo, however the remains found in bowmanville were skeletal so I doubt they know of any scarring as they have very limited info on the actual remains found.  Not even height
However I do know that since the day Tip top stores opened yes they sell prodomentaly men's clothing, however they also staff every store with a tailor. In the 90's I know all too well myself that 5'7 is considered tall and most clothing for women sold height wise are made mostly for the height up to 5'7. Any women taller would need to buy men's jeans as I did often and had them tailored. It wouldn't be uncommon for a women 5'9 or taller would need to shop and buy mens clothing and have them tailored. The perfect store then would have been tip top tailors. Now of course designers make clothing up to 6' for women, not just because of tall women but also men who like to crossdress.  However in the 90's there was still a "certain" women type and most manufactures didn't make clothing for tall tall women.
The fact Joyce is so tall and so skinny could suggest she has/had animea. She had kids could explain the ribbon, and she was born in the 70's so by the 80's could have her own watch.... I do know her last so called contact was in 94 when the kids were reported missing not her just the kids, and the police believed she had abducted her own kids, which is why she hasn't been reported missing by the police and her family or friends have ever reported her as missing. ??? However know one knows where the kids are or her.  I find this extremely odd.  However I do know the shirt was made a small period of time 95/96. She went missing at least since 94 from Hamilton which can't be confirmed. The age of bones and discovery could possibly fit Joyce. The ring could have been sold to her or someone else in 94 the apparent last known time she was alive if say she did abduct her own kids.
After speaking to the police and bringing up some questions they agree with me, it's odd someone that reported the kids missing didn't give any details like they went missing from home, park, school etc. Also that person didn't report the mother as missing. They have very little detail about what the kids were wearing or even a time of approx time they went missing. Again is odd.
I do wonder if the kids could be in the care of someone and the mother is the one missing. It's just an odd case and you can view it using the link at the bottom. I do see some similarities in Joyce's photos and the photo of the unidentified. Even tho Joyce's photo is blurred you can still tell by her smiler she has large front teeth and a small gap in between the two front ones and an overbite.  Take a look here and let me know what you think.  Remember this is just a theory and until we find out more about Joyce we may never know. I do know she may have ties to the U.K but again the police has never been updated of sightings, kids in school etc. However if these kids were raised before the age of 5 they may not remember their real names, or know of their mother. They could have been told anything growing up. We know very little about Joyce like if she a nasal fracture or so one what kind if any jewelry she wore etc. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1153dmon.html