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Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 02, 2010, 11:48:33 AM
'Joran van der Sloot verdacht van moord Peru' MIRAFLORES - Joran van der Sloot is volgens Peruaanse media hoofdverdachte van de moord op de dochter van zakenman en autocoureur Ricardo Flores.

Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez werd dood aangetroffen in hotel TAC in het Peruaanse Miraflores. Meerdere Peruaanse kranten en nieuwsites melden dat Joran van der Sloot hoofdverdachte is in de moordzaak omdat de hotelkamer waar het lichaam gevonden werd, op de naam van Van der Sloot geboekt zou zijn.

Medewerkers van het hotel zouden daarnaast aan de politie verklaard hebben dat ze Van der Sloot afgelopen weekend met het slachtoffer gezien hebben.

Dutch to English translation

'Joran van der Sloot suspected of murder  

Peru "MIRAFLORES - Joran van der Sloot, according to Peruvian media main suspect in the murder of the daughter of businessman and racing driver Ricardo Flores.

Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez was found dead in hotel TAC in Peru Miraflores. Several Peruvian newspapers and news sites reporting that Joran van der Sloot was the prime suspect in the murder case because the hotel room where the body was found, the name of Van der Sloot would be made.

Hotel staff were also stated to police that they last weekend with Van der Sloot have seen the victim.


From RTL/Netherlands
Joran oficial murder suspect, international search warrant issued for him.

From the Dutch news, the OM in Holland has just announced that Joran is oficially the murdersuspect  in the murder of the Peru girl.

Joran amd the girl left the casino together after which she was found dead (stabbed to death) in Joran's hotelroom.

He was seen fleeing the country in a pick up truck at the border of Chili. (allegedly he was in the company of Russians)

The girl was brutally murdered (stabbed to death).

The girl's father is a well known business man and car coureur, in his emotional plea he urges peoiple to seek Joran.

There is International search warrant issued for Joran, this was just announced by the OM.

All per RTL news.


Initially on these threads I left a link for an E-line book, No Evidence of a Crime, which has been put together by a person/poster who has gotten close to the van der Sloot family after Natalee going missing. The author and a small group of friends have protected Joran and mislead people with their propaganda.
Anyone perusing the book...articles in there are the only things that can be considered unbiased; whatever the author has added about her "Joran" are totally biased.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Chris on June 02, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
Stunning! Just stunning!

It is so sad that it came to this, just a day after the 5 year anniversary of his last killing.

Why did they not prosecute this creep?

Life in prison in Prison Peru is better then 10 years in prison in Holland though and I cannot wait to see him arrested.

this makes me angry
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 02, 2010, 01:05:41 PM
IMO and that of many others, corruption in paradise is the reason Joran got off free. I have a hard time believing he's one of those once in every 5 years serial killers...he's been lucky to have had someone get him off the hook before. This time he's running. The time of death, the time stamp on the cams lead to him.
Aruba will have to come clean as the eyes of the world once again envelope them. Joran is a Dutch national, not even Aruban. The case has been hard on the total of the Aruban population (the born and raised Aruban). The Prosecutors and Judges are all Dutch nationals as well. They can't protect him anymore. My heart goes out to the beautiful young lady and her family.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Edsonmom on June 02, 2010, 01:09:54 PM
Now posted in Canadain papers..
LIMA, Peru (AP) — A young Dutchman previously arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is the prime suspect in a weekend murder of a Peruvian woman, police said Wednesday.

Criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told a news conference that Joran van der Sloot was being sought in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel. Guardia said the suspect fled the country the next day by land to Chile.

The Dutch government said Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for him.

Guardia said van der Sloot, 22, who was in the country for a poker tournament, appears with the young woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday.

The victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, told reporters she was killed about 8 a.m. that morning in a hotel room that was splattered with blood, indicating a struggle.

The killing occurred exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance in Aruba of Holloway. 

Van der Sloot left Peru on Monday, Guardia said, according to immigration registry. He had been staying at the hotel since May 14 and checked out on Sunday four hours after he arrived there with the victim, the police general added.

“We have an interview with a worker at the hotel who says she saw this foreigner with the victim enter his room,” said Guardia.

Interpol has issued an international arrest warrant for van der Sloot, Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman Bengt van Loosdrecht told The Associated Press in The Netherlands.

He cited as his sources Peruvian police and the Dutch Embassy in Lima. The embassy’s head of consular affairs, Angela Lowe, told the AP she could not comment on the case.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested but later released for lack of evidence in the disappearance of Holloway, who was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

The mystery of Holloway’s disappearance has and garnered wide attention on television and in tabloid newspapers in Europe and the United States.

A spokeswoman for Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.


Associated Press writers Carla Salazar in Lima, Frank Bajak in Bogota, Colombia, and Toby Sterling in Amsterdam contributed to this report.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 02, 2010, 01:15:26 PM
Makes me wonder if Joran is a serial killer.  I would think the Arubans will look at any other unsolved murders of young women, long and hard again.   He got away with murdering Natalee in Aruba, but this time I believe he has sealed his fate.  And it better be life in prison.  It is very sad another young woman has lost her life to this sick man, because justice was not served to begin with.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 02, 2010, 02:29:31 PM
I probably shouldn't speculate this far, however it was mentioned before so i will continue. A few years ago an Aruban went missing in Aruba as well. This young man, can't remember his name right now, worked at the Kia jail, and had hopes to go to further education in law. He disappeared as well without a trace. He was known to be working at the Kia when Joran was incarcerated there in Nov 2007 for a week or two. What we had learned after joran was released is that he was not supposed to have any contact with the outside, no compu's and no cells...yet someone that was perusing a facebook type of site saw Joran trying to get a hold of someone else, whilce he was in Kia and while he was not to have contact with anyone. There is a screenprint around of that. As well in one of Joran's confessions, he stated his own father brought him a cell phone while in jail and called his father down for only providing him a few minutes worth of calls. His father was not to have anything to do with joran at the time since he was in a position of conflict from the beginning (his work). The speculation at the time was that Joran's dad may have asked the young Aruban to give the phone to Joran on some kinds of promises; and further this may have been another worry, that the young Aruban was "disappeared" to make sure all was kept quiet. Now this was all specualtion by someone else. The young fellow disappeared after Joran was discharged from jail.
I really do believe that now all missing cases will be looked at; they won't have a choice.
I really don't want to see the Arubans suffer again over this. 
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 02, 2010, 04:14:15 PM
It was just noted on the news that Vandersloot is a suspect in a murder of a young woman from Peru. She was found in a motel room covered in blood. She was last seen with Vandersloot at a casino and it was caught on surveillance. He has ran to Chile. This was just on the evening news. This is one bad person and maybe this time the charges will stick and the playboy murderer will be convicted of his crimes. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 03, 2010, 09:31:49 AM
It really is pathetic that the police had Vandersloot in their clutches many times. He was behind bars and out again a couple of times, they had him right there. There definitely was enough evidence to hold him, even with circumstantial evidence there was plenty. Now another young woman is dead, because the prosecutors made a big mistake and set V free. This is police work at it's worst. I do blame the police for the young woman's death. If they had done their job, this innocent woman would be alive. And what was Vandersloot getting away with before Natalee Holloway was murdered??? How many young woman are missing in Aruba or any place that Vandersloot was on his crime spree.? I would say there are possibly more young women missing and murdered at the hands of this creep. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 10:29:11 AM
Cape, before Natalee he was into mischief type of crimes that got overlooked. Breaking car windows, setting off fire alarms. At a young age, he killed a family dog just to blame it on another school kid. The family tried to hush that all up. Sadly, that doesn't work well. I guess they were too proud to deal with a problem. By age 17 he was already a regular in casinos. He has become calculating and he sure seemed to know where to flee to this time.
Chile LE has announced they are not looking for Joran and they will not arrest him!! :o I have no idea at this point if even Interpol is involved as it first was mentioned. Reports are so confusing! So the Chile LE know where he is but won't arrest! Relations between Chile and Peru must not be very good, I suppose.
I just hope Flores' father has good connections. If not, Joran van der Sloot the murderer is a free man.

As far as the Aruban system goes, they have Dutch law. Joran's father was up in the ranks with the Justice department and friends with head of police, which some were Dutch as well. The judges that come from Curacao are also Dutch. Many believe there was corruption and cover-up for his family. No proof. The re-investigations of the case of Holloway according to them, yielded nothing.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 03, 2010, 11:54:56 AM
They just announced on the news that the authorities have arrested Joran in Santiago, Chile.......I don't think he will get away with murder this time...
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
A Peruvian Judge gave orders for Joran's arrest, and he is supposedly now arrested. Was found near the airport. He's the one right under the red and white flag or whatever that is. He's not even shackled. :o There must be a huge contingent of LE then...
If this scum walks this time then I will finally agree with vigilante practice..

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Chris on June 03, 2010, 12:00:48 PM
Glad this dirtbag was caught

Does anyone watch Greta on Fox? I remember she talked to a high ranking police official on the Island and he said there wa enough to charge Jordon but would have to wait for the powers that be to move forward. Jordon had ocnfessed at that point.

I don't know if polie screwed this up more then Dutch Island power brokers helped this little creep get away with it by not charging him????

But I hope those same people who choose not to prosecute feel very bad now. Very very bad. This little punk felt he could get away with anything.

Prediction: Those saw, power brokers will now charge Jordon and expect to extradite him, put him on trial becuse:

1 - Save face
2 - Make sure he serves his time in Holland rather then Peru.

I hope Peru declines
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 12:35:53 PM
Flores' father seems to be well read on Joran and how he got away under the Dutch antilles system; so I don't think he will stand for allowing Joran to escape to Aruba where he is safe and free to commit another crime. Looks as though Flores has some "pull". Thank God. Joran committed the crime in Peru, lots of evidence, and that's where he will stay hopefully.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Chris on June 03, 2010, 12:44:34 PM
I hope he does his time there. I really do.

But I remember a few years ago, when there was a woman in prison in Mexico and the media rallied he cause so she can be moved to Canada. It was horrible, it was is if they were saying Mexico is too third world for a Canadian woman. And then we let her out of prison as soon as she got here. I'm sure Holland is going to do the same to Peru.

I really hope he stays and serves in Peru. Those prisons will be what he deserves.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 01:15:07 PM
I hope he does his time there. I really do.

But I remember a few years ago, when there was a woman in prison in Mexico and the media rallied he cause so she can be moved to Canada. It was horrible, it was is if they were saying Mexico is too third world for a Canadian woman. And then we let her out of prison as soon as she got here. I'm sure Holland is going to do the same to Peru.

I really hope he stays and serves in Peru. Those prisons will be what he deserves.

As soon as anyone in Peru reads over all the statements and the coverage from what Antilles LE did, they will not allow it. The crime happened in Peru and that is where he has to pay his dues. I'm sure Peru officials will see the cover up and all the corruption. If Natalee died from convulsions or any other means, there was no reason to disappear her. She disappeared for good reason, and that was probably a broken neck like he administered to Flores, imo.
Below, a better look at the scumbag!

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Edsonmom on June 03, 2010, 01:53:18 PM
YAY!! so happy this scum was caught... Hope he gets what is coming to him..
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 04:24:22 PM

Joran van der Sloot: Alabama Complaint Says Van der Sloot Wanted Money For Holloway Information
George Brown
4:57 PM CDT, June 3, 2010

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Joran Van der Sloot Criminal Complaint
( Birmingham, AL 6/3/2010) Joran Van der Sloot, a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and in the murder of a woman in Peru now faces charges in Alabama.

Van der Sloot is charged with trying to sell information about Natalee Holloway.

A criminal complaint says Van der Sloot was asking for $250,000 for information on the whereabouts of Holloway.

In the criminal complaint, Van der Sloot has an unidentified person wire $15,000 to a financial institution in the Netherlands.

Earlier today, Juran Vander Sloot was arrested in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Peru.
The person he tried to sell info to was an FBI person. Too funny.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Chris on June 03, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
I feel so bad that the fbI were that close to charging him. If the process was not so slow, they could have had this guy in custody before he killed that girl.

I'm sure they were hoping to hear what info he provided first, ubt still, it is very sad.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 03, 2010, 06:12:39 PM

Feds charge van der Sloot with extortion in Holloway case

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(Margarete Wever / AP file) Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot, already in custody on a murder charge in Chile, is also facing criminal extortion charges here in Alabama.  

The complaint charges that van der Sloot, on May 10, extorted $15,000 from an individual as partial payment toward his promise to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000. The maximum sentence on the extortion count is 20 years in prison.

U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance says the timing of these charges is strictly coincidental to van der Sloot's arrest in Chile.

Here's the news release from the U.S. Attorney's office here in Birmingham:


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Federal prosecutors in Birmingham have filed a criminal complaint against JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, a citizen of the Netherlands, on wire fraud and extortion charges in connection with his soliciting money in May on promises he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains in Aruba and circumstances of her death, U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley announced today.

“We are committed to protecting citizens from unscrupulous individuals who attempt to financially exploit a person’s deepest fears and greatest loss,” Vance said.

The wire fraud and extortion charges are unrelated to the ongoing murder investigation in Peru, in which van der Sloot is an alleged person of interest.

Vance said her office filed the two-count criminal complaint today in U.S. District Court in Birmingham.

The complaint charges that van der Sloot, on May 10, extorted $15,000 from an individual as partial payment toward his promise to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000. The maximum sentence on the extortion count is 20 years in prison.

The complaint also charges van der Sloot with wire fraud for causing the $15,000 to be transferred by wire from a Birmingham bank to a bank in the Netherlands in furtherance of his scheme to defraud. The maximum sentence for the wire fraud count is 30 years.

Vance thanked Aruban authorities for the assistance they provided in this investigation.

Members of the public are reminded that the criminal complaint contains only charges. A defendant is presumed not guilty.

This guy is only 22 years old with the mind of a master criminal.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 04, 2010, 09:32:13 AM
Joran preparing to leave per military plane to Peru border, where he will be ushered onto Peru soil and onwards towards some justice hopefully. He looks terrified here. I truly wonder whether he is rethinking of the terror he has seen on his victim's faces.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 04, 2010, 11:37:55 AM
RTL NL just confirmed what the Peruvian news articles mentioned yesterday, Stephany had won $ 5000 Saturday night playing poker.

According to the Peruvian news the amount of money was not with her anymore when she was found.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 04, 2010, 07:14:54 PM
Well there is the motive, he was watching and waiting for someone who won money and he swooped in. It is wonderful news that they have arrested this creep and I am convinced that the law will get it right this time. Of course, there was already this female lawyer with all of her comments on TV, if she likes him so much let her go out with him. Pathetic, I know they need representation, but these people make me sick when they try the case before the man is even in handcuffs. ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Concerned on June 04, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
How very bold of him to think he could do that in a room registered to himself. And on the day the five year anniversary. Did he think he was invincible? Did he know he should be caught. Did he want to be caught? It sure was bold.

My thoughts and prayers to the family of the young lady.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 04, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
It is an awful sin for that man to be still walking this earth! Tick Tock for that man! I believe he has done this more than the times we publically know about.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 04, 2010, 09:18:34 PM
This was just on ABC 20/20 and they have him in custody and he is being charged with the young woman's murder. He had the nerve as you say to have a room booked in his name for two weeks. He had also instructed the the staff not to clean his room, to leave it. And of course when the family members missed their daughter, they went looking. It was noted by a family member that when they found out the name of the person she was last seen with, she googled it and could not believe the information that came up about Natalee's case and that he was a suspect in her murder. Her father is a wonderful man and I know you will see the comments he has stated. He said he considers his daughter a hero, that she died to get justice for Natalee and to save other young women. This Vandersloot is a young person with a very violent nature, a murderer and God knows what else he has done with his crime spree. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 05, 2010, 02:33:17 PM
Reports out of Peru are really very conflicting and the timeline is really screwed. Joran deserves just punishment for his crimes, but the way he is being paraded in front of international press is really very dehumanizing and I am certainly not one who seeks revenge. Justice yes, not revenge. My God, they are parading him without his belt and snapping pictures with his pants falling down. That is so very wrong! Where is the human decency?
I keep going back to June of 2005, and all those who covered for him and enabled him. Had they let him pay the piper then, there might have been hope for this guy. Now I think it's too late.
Who covered for him back then? His now late father, his mother, then head of police van der Straten, some Judges and following that some internet posters plus some wannabe press persons, Renee Gielen with her gathered smut Docu blaming Beth, the victims mother. These are the people who enabled and have the blood of 2 victims that we know of, on their hands. I really believe the international press needs to also focus on those in Aruba b/c they have damaged the reputation of Aruba, not anything to do with the born and raised Arubans. The ex-pats from various countries (USA, Nl, Lebenon).
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 06, 2010, 11:44:54 AM
I do not have any sympathy for Vandersloot. I feel he has given up any rights to be treated fairly. He murdered two beautiful people and finally he is in custody. What really bothers me is that this creep should have been arrested for trying to extort 250,000.00 from Natalee's parents. He should have been arrested immediately for the attempt to extort money and if the prosecutors had taken him into custody, the young woman from Peru would be alive. I don't understand why the justice system just let him walk around free. They failed very badly in saving young women from this creep roaming around looking for his next victim. It is a murder that did not have to happen. And if the police were waiting to see what he was going to do, they should have had him under surveillance 24-7. Vandersloot is a cold blooded killer and has no feeling for anybody but himself. It makes me angry to know that he was allowed free, when they had evidence of extortion against him. A senseless act of violence against two beautiful young women.   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 06, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Vandersloot is not so cocky anymore is he!  (forgive the pun)

Obviously, the things he has done to women he always wants the power and his way with these women...., then he dominates and degrades these women even further, by doing what he wants, and then killing them.  Well, now those inmates are going to make sure he knows what it is like to be the victim. I hope he gets everything he dished out to these young women!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 07, 2010, 07:33:03 AM
The sad thing is that another woman lost her life to Joran.   It is too bad the FBI did not arrest him sooner.  I agree, a young woman lost her life, because the wheels of justice were going too slow..  Her father is calling her a hero...she died so Joran could be stopped.  A shame. 
He is denying once again...but his body language shows he is scared.  He should be.   From what I gather, he has to answer to the charges in Peru, before he is tried for any other crimes....So, I would imagine, he will be in jail for life in Peru. 
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 07, 2010, 08:19:59 AM
The thing is with this Vandersloot is, he premeditated the murder of that young woman. Imagine the terror that she felt before she died at the hands of a man she thought was just helping her celebrate a night of winnings. She was in  his company for four hours and within that time he killed her and left with all of his belongings. Nobody ever saw the young woman alive again. The President of Peru indicated that there will be no extradition for Vandersloot. He will be spending his time in the prison system in Peru. This is really great news and finally justice will be done in this case anyway. Maybe when he knows his goose is cooked, he will tell what really happened to Natalee. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 07, 2010, 06:47:22 PM
Watched NG. She is all over this one!

As I watched the video of them entering his room at the hotel...she hesitated, slightly... Something made her hesitate...

That smug look on his face....ohhhh.....he planned it all!

NG...."What was he doing in Peru?"  Good question.


...There is a devil in the details...Two pop bottles empty, later when he goes for coffee...he goes for one cup. Hmmm....he killed her, and came back, what a whack job he is!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 07, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
New search in two bodies of water in Aruba for Natalee Holloway. NG...says, "A day late, and a dollar short."
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 07, 2010, 08:08:32 PM
Baba, I did not realize that he went in the room with one bottle of pop or coffee, that is so pathetic. The nerve of this creep. He is a cold blooded killer. I just wonder how many young women he has terrorized and they never came forward. Absolutely no out this time.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 07, 2010, 09:03:18 PM
I'm not apologizing for Joran in the least, but I also find Nancy Grace and many sensation seeking media are not getting facts straight.
Joran during investigation for bruises/scratches:
There's alot pointing at him, but now even LE are confused over matters andthey probably need to watch every bit of surveillance video on that room from the time Joran left until the body was found. In the picture no scratches. He has a tattoo on his left chest in Thai that translates to "No problem". This case really hinges on the forensic tests.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Chris on June 07, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
Just saw FOx News is reporting that he has confessed


An official in Peru says Joran van der Sloot has confessed to killing a 21-year-old female student from Lima, the La Republica newspaper reported late Monday.

According to the paper, Van der Sloot admitted he broke Stephany Flores' neck in a rage after she apparently used his notebook computer without permission and discovered he was involved in the disappearance of an American woman.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 08, 2010, 12:42:54 AM
He is unbelievable....what an excuse...it was hert fault he killed her...HOW ARROGANT!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Sleuth on June 08, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
He is one sick guy with a very bad temper. Here is some stuff we haven't heard about. From a Amsterdam Newspaper.

Dutch murder suspect shows different faces on TV

By ARTHUR MAX (AP) – 12 hours ago

AMSTERDAM — Joran van der Sloot can be charming, angry, deceitful, tearful. The young Dutchman has been all that and more, playing out his troubled drama on TV over the five years since he came under suspicion in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

By his own admission, half of what he says is a lie.

Twice arrested and released for lack of evidence in the Holloway case, Van der Sloot was taken into custody again last week in connection with the slaying in Peru of Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old college student police say he met while playing poker at a Lima casino. Her May 30 killing came five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Towering over the Peruvian officers flanking him, the 6-foot-3-inch Dutchman appeared sullen and moist-eyed this weekend when he was paraded before journalists in handcuffs and a bulletproof vest after he was caught and extradited from Chile. Chilean police said Van der Sloot told investigators he was innocent in the case.

He was much more subdued than during his earlier appearances on American and Dutch TV, where he has become something of a minor celebrity — feeding public curiosity by spinning contradictory stories about Holloway's final hours and sometimes displaying flashes of a volatile temper.

Once, at the end of a relaxed interview with Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries, Van der Sloot threw a glass of wine in the reporter's eyes.

Aad Schalke, a Dutch private investigator who administered a polygraph to Van der Sloot for a TV show about the Holloway case aired last year, said he was not surprised the 22-year-old was in trouble again.

"The moment he's not in control any more, he can be really dangerous," the detective told The Associated Press on Monday.

Van der Sloot is the son of a respected lawyer in Aruba who died in February. He was 17 when Holloway disappeared in 2005 and he spent three months in detention, then returned to the Netherlands to study. Two years later, he was arrested again and sent back to Aruba for further questioning.

It's unclear how he supported himself when he wasn't in jail. He is an avid gambler, and reportedly spent much of the last two years in Thailand, where De Vries claimed in 2008 Van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women for the sex trade in the Netherlands.

Just days after the slaying in Peru, Van der Sloot was charged in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died. U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name.

Van der Sloot has told conflicting stories of his involvement with the Alabama teen. He and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were the last to see the 18-year-old honors student, who was on a school trip to Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation.

He initially told island police he took Holloway to her hotel, then later said he left her alive and well on the beach. He apologized for lying earlier.

At other times he claimed Holloway collapsed and died on the beach, and he dumped the body in the ocean. On another occasion he said her body was taken to a marsh.

In a lengthy 2006 interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, Van der Sloot described drinking shots of rum with Holloway, whom he said he met while playing poker at an Aruba casino, then taking her to a beach and leaving her there around 3:30 a.m.

In De Vries' 2008 Dutch television documentary, Van der Sloot said during a secretly recorded conversation that Holloway was drunk and slumped to the sand as they were kissing.

"Suddenly she started shaking and then she didn't say anything," Van der Sloot said in Dutch, adding that he did not kill her. "I would never murder a girl."

The interview prompted authorities in Aruba to reopen the case, but Van der Sloot later said he made up the whole story and he was not charged.

"I have a busy imagination and it was one big lie. ... Nothing's true," he told interviewer Jaap Amesz in a show broadcast on Dutch TV last year.

He told Amesz yet one more story. Holloway was dancing on a balcony when she accidentally fell over the railing, he said, his eyes filling with tears.

Amesz, who had arranged for the polygraph test, asked Van der Sloot if half of everything he said was a lie.

"Oh, more than half," he replied.

Van der Sloot's lie detector test lent support to that admission.

Annette Heldens, the investigator who questioned Van der Sloot, said he continuously squirmed in his chair to throw off the polygraph machine.

"He tried to manipulate the results," she said. Nonetheless, she said the test showed he lied when he repeatedly answered "no," to questions about whether he was involved in Holloway's disappearance or death.

Polygraph tests are inadmissible as evidence in the Netherlands, and Schalke said police did not follow up after the results were broadcast on TV.

After Van der Sloot was shown the test results, Amesz asked him on camera what he thought the consequences would be.

Rather than answer, he grabbed a glass of water from the table, spun out of his chair and smashed it in fury against a wall.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 08, 2010, 02:56:24 AM
I think we're in for a long ride on this case. Joran was trying to extort 250,000. from Beth for telling where Natalee was buried. He received 15,000 and another 25, ooo was supposedly wired to Holland. Police seized alot of info over there, so it seems that Joran was about to be arrested and fled Aruba. He could not go back to Holland and it seems he has enemies also in Thailand. So far he has been to other countries within SA probably starting in Columbia. Little money left, he goes to casinos to try his luck. I have seen a fragment of an article written by J Yucca but cannot find the whole article nor link. The article states that Anita and her two sons are on their way to Peru now to visit Joran.

Also stated in the article is that Joran was seen surrounding himself with women at casinos in Columbia, and now Police are looking for missing women. It's too early to say for sure but just possibly his MO is finding wealthy women to rob/borrow from, etc. If  robbery has been his motive and they can prove it, his jail sentence dramatically increases. Therefore, it becomes a possibility that in Stepheny's case he makes the excuse of her finding some private info on his compu. That is no reason to kill, but that's Joran who has been coddled and enabled by many, including some who were supposed to uphold the justice system.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 08, 2010, 08:54:39 AM
 Apparantly the Arubans are dredging a pond and a swamp...looking for Natalee. (I believe she is in the swamp, along with Jorans missing shoes).   They should have looked harder 5 years ago...perhaps Stephany would still be alive.  Too little too late.  I have a hard time watching video footage of Joran and Stephany walking together...he is ahead of her, walking like she does not exist.  No respect whatsoever.  I tried very hard to see if Stephany was holding a purse in the videos..apparantly they found a purse in the hotel room, but I do not see her carrying one. 
 I think Joran was a ticking time bomb...no Daddy, no money...no prospects...hence the blackmail in Alabama..and payment of $15,000 to keep him living his gambling lifestyle.   Accepting that payout sealed his fate with the FBI...but the wheels of justice are too slow, and another girl lost her life, in the meantime.
 His dead end life, his father dead, and the 5 year anniversary of Natalees disappearance all came together in Peru..and Joran lost it.  I heard that Jorans mother didnt even know he was in Peru.  Apparantly she is on her way there now.   Joran looks scared and done.  Like a deer in the headlights..  He knows this is the end of the road.  I think he will also confess to Natalees murder too, to try to get a better deal.  I hate it when these killers can make deals.... He needs to be in jail the rest of his natural life, in Peru. 
  Nancy Grace has no problem trashing the Aruban authorities every chance she gets...but you know what,  she is right on this one.  The fact that Jorans dad was a judge carried a lot of weight down there.   Kindof like the OJ Simpson trial...OJs fame got him off.  But a phsycopath usually doesnt stop until caught. 
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 08, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
I agree with too little too late. They didn't want to dredge that whole swamp awhile back as they were waiting for Joran to tell them where exactly. He never did. It's a difficult place to search they said back then; now they are searching there. Go figure. Also searching another place.
The regular spokesperson that American media have used on the NH case, Julia Renfro is a very good friend of the van der Sloot family, so you can be assured that most of her stories were untrue. In fact a poster at another site collected all her posts on a forum and they severely contradicted themselves. Seems all those who support Joran have a heavy penchant for lying.
Joran's mother in all interviews said they encouraged Joran always to tell the truth and they had no reason to not believe him. :o Well her first words, even after Joran confessed, "My son is innocent." This woman has been in denial for a very long time, and enabling her son at the same time.

I think the Arubans are now feeling as though many negative eyes are on them and their judicial system, while Peru looks quite good at pulling off the arrest. Joran apparently told his mother by phone that he was mistreated (his usual excuse) during the interrogation. Since it was recorded it won't fly for him this time. Whatever Stepheny found on his compu sealed her horrible fate. I don't think he can wiggle out of this crime, and the others may just pile up too once authorities go through his personal files on his laptop.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Sleuth on June 09, 2010, 12:31:50 AM
And it's a slam dunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
In the link provided at the end of the story, there is a lovely never before seen picture of Natalee with three of her close friends on the beach taken two hours before Natalee's disappearance. So sad.

Police: Van der Sloot Confesses to Killing Peruvian Woman
Updated: 7 hours 44 minutes ago

Theunis Bates Contributor
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(June 8) -- Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, has confessed to killing a young Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room last month, according to police.

Peru's chief police spokesman, Col. Abel Gamarra, told The Associated Press that during questioning, the 22-year-old Dutch playboy admitted the slaying of Stephany Flores. The 21-year-old business student was found beaten to death, her neck snapped and her body wrapped in a bloody blanket in van der Sloot's hotel room last Wednesday.

Van der Sloot will be brought back to the hotel sometime soon to take part in a police reconstruction of the events leading up to Flores' slaying, Gamarra said. The re-enactment was supposed to take place this afternoon but was delayed due to security concerns. If convicted, the Dutchman could face 35 years in prison in Peru, although it is not clear if his sentence will be reduced by his reported confession.
2 Cases, 1 Suspect
Aliosha Marquez, AP
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Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005. Here, Chilean police escort him out of a police station to be flown back to Peru on Friday.
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2 Cases, 1 Suspect
Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005. Here, Chilean police escort him out of a police station to be flown back to Peru on Friday.
 While Peruvian police refused to say why van der Sloot killed the woman, the New York Post quotes La Republica newspaper as saying that authorities believe he flew into a rage after Flores looked at his laptop and saw that he was connected to Holloway's disappearance in 2005. "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," the paper quoted him telling officers. "She had no right. She was scared, we argued, she tried to escape and I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

Police said the two met while playing poker at a casino in Peru's capital, and this weekend released video footage of the pair entering his room in the early hours of Saturday, May 30. Van der Sloot left with his bags four hours later. He then paid the hotel in advance for another two weeks' stay and requested that workers kept out of the room. Soon after, van der Sloot got in a taxi, and paid the driver $600 to take him to Chile.

He was arrested by Chilean authorities on Thursday, and deported to Peru, where he was paraded in front of the media wearing a bulletproof vest. He initially told police that he had nothing to do with Flores' slaying, although he did admit to meeting her.
There are now suspicions that van der Sloot -- the son of a former judge and attorney on Aruba -- may have staged his attempted getaway using money raised through extortion. On the day that he was arrested in Chile, he was charged in the U.S. with trying to procure $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for revealing the location of her body and describing how she died. American prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred into a Dutch bank account in his name on May 10, four days before he arrived in Peru.

Van der Sloot has long been the main suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, 18, who vanished while celebrating her high school graduation on the Dutch Caribbean island. He told investigators that he left her on a beach, drunk. However, in 2007, a Dutch television crime reporter secretly recorded him saying that after Holloway passed out, he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.
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And here is the video


Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 09, 2010, 01:48:42 AM

How many days did he have before he got caught to come up with the lame brain idea, that he beat her to death when she opened his computer.....Is that all he can come up with???

When this young lady was partially dressed....what did she think...hmmm......I should read his laptop??? Now come on....what an idiot he is.... This shows how little he thinks of the intelligence of women!

He is so pathetic!  What did he check the law of Peru??? Maybe he thinks, there, that you can kill a woman for any reason in that country. Or is he one of those people who feel Laws of the Courts do not pertain to them....????

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 09, 2010, 07:21:49 AM
I don't believe Joran's story either.  If Stephany googled his name, yes lots of info on him would have come up.  But I do not believe for one second that she would sit there and wait for him to come back with coffees, and confront him.   I certainly wouldn't say anything about what I discovered to a suspected killer of Natalee, if I was in a hotel room with him. 
Apparantly the judicial system would go easier on Joran if it was self defense.  And he is saying Stephany struck him first...can you believe it??  Self defense means a slap for a slap....not murder someone that slaps you......
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Concerned on June 09, 2010, 08:53:45 AM
Perhaps she didn't google, but instead found his own collection of notes and info about Natalie. Took him by surprise and he reacted through instant response. This doesn't excuse the actions. Either way, you have to wonder if he was waiting for an excuse. IMO in light of the fact that he gambled to obtain money, knew she had winnings, and probably was made aware of her famous father, it would seem likely that he intended to find a way to obtain more money from her and her family since he was recently successfully at extorting money from Natalie's family. Being that Stephany was in his hotel room, I don't think he was intending on killing her. He should have learned from the Natalie experience the importance of having no chargeable clues (unfortunately). But then again, maybe it was others that guided him out of his crimes in the past. Perhaps that person is no longer around or supporting him and now left on his own, he will be less talented in orchestrating his future course. Being that he admits to lying often, I doubt she slapped him first, or at all. People with culture and grace don't hit others. And, if you are terrorized by the info on the computer, you would be doing anything in your might to get the heck out of the room without drama. The last thing I would do is slap him.  If so, it is a shame that he was sheltered all these years. For, perhaps Natalie and Stephany may have been contributing to life, and Joran would have been halted from destroying it.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 09, 2010, 12:51:52 PM
You all above are really truly great thinking sleuths! ;D

I've read elsewhere but haven't found the article with a link, that estimated time of death was between 6 and 7:30 AM. So his story about coming back around 8:10 with coffee and bread, finding Stepheny on his laptop doesn't fly. Blood tox reports show cocaine and marijuana and unfortunately this is something that will reduce a sentence in a murder case.

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on June 09, 2010, 01:03:30 PM
Baba, I agree, how long did it take him to come up with this lame brained excuse. I do not believe one word that comes out of his mouth. I do believe that Joran had terrorized the young woman by letting her see his computer and that he was wanted for murder. He then terrorized her with a cat and mouse game, I would say. And then he murdered her. I do not believe this young woman would just go into his computer and what are the chances that she is going to hit on the very spot that has his face wanted for murder on it. He is telling a pack of lies. His father has covered up for all of his deeds since he was young and he turned him into a monster. And I believe there are possibly more women missing then Natalee Holloway. I believe there will be others missing at the hands of Vandersloot. This creep needs to be executed or never let out of prison ever. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 09, 2010, 03:13:17 PM
I agree Cape!

If he was going out for coffee for the both of them...why did he only come back with one cup?

Remember that old saying..."ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!"
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Sleuth on June 10, 2010, 12:43:57 PM
(June 10) -- Joran van der Sloot has reportedly  confessed to police in Peru that he enjoyed a cocktail of coffee and drugs in the minutes following a young Peruvian woman's slaying.

Police say the 22-year-old Dutchman told them he not only took time out for a coffee break but also sat next to her bludgeoned corpse munching on biscuits while contemplating how to dispose of her body.

"I was going to use one of my suitcases to take her out of the hotel, but I didn't do it because I was afraid someone [would] stop me carrying my luggage without paying," van der Sloot allegedly told police, according to the Peruvian paper La Republica.

All this after police say van der Sloot broke Stephany Flores' neck in a fit of rage after she allegedly used his laptop to find out about his involvement in the case of Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old Alabama woman who vanished in Aruba in May 2005.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot allegedly said about the attack. "The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her, and I hit her. She was scared. We argued, and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck, and I hit her."

Authorities say van der Sloot claims he was high on marijuana at the time of the murder. They also believe, according to the New York Daily News, that van der Sloot had thought about tossing Flores' body into the ocean. Police reportedly found maps charting currents in his backpack.

Police say that with the deed done and the realization that he could not hide Flores' body, van der Sloot showered, changed his clothes and grabbed a few belongings before fleeing the scene. Flores was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru, hotel room three days later, on June 2, setting off a police manhunt that ended with his arrest in Chile the following day.

Van der Sloot was in police custody less than a week before his alleged confession. Police in Peru plan to ask prosecutors today to formally bring murder charges against him, CBS News reports.

Meanwhile, the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant has quoted van der Sloot's lawyer in the Netherlands as saying his confession was "possibly fake" and may have been coerced.

"Joran told his mother crying Monday that he was being interrogated under reasonably barbaric conditions," the paper quoted Bert de Rooij as saying. "He said the police were trying to force him to confess."

In a second interview with CBS News, de Rooij said van der Sloot also told his mother that he was being interrogated in a "very rude way" and that he thought the Peruvian authorities were "aiming at a coerced confession."

Peruvian officials have since insisted that van der Sloot is being treated well. Nonetheless, his lawyers are attempting to have his confession thrown out, saying his legal counsel was not present at the time of his interrogation.

A criminal justice consultant told AOL News he would be shocked if the bid to toss out the confession succeeded.

"They have a tendency to do things different over there and could have used extraordinary means, but the burden of proof is pretty much on the defendant," said Gregory D. Lee, a nationally syndicated columnist and retired supervisory special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Lee also said that while it is possible van der Sloot's confession was coerced, he believes the Dutchman is attempting to get sympathy.

"Of course he is going to say that [he was coerced] no matter if he was or wasn't," Lee said. "I think he's trying to elicit sympathy. Think about it: You got the media looking at him to see the physical condition of the guy moments after his arrest and after his initial interrogation. He looked fine, and that goes a long way in thwarting any notion that he got coerced or beat up."

Meanwhile, there has been speculation that Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, provided the funds used in an alleged van der Sloot extortion plot, but AOL News has been unable to verify those reports. Peggy Sanford, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham, Ala., said she was "prohibited from making any comment" on the source of the funds.

Also, recent reports have suggested that police are looking into van der Sloot in connection with the disappearance of two women in Colombia, but on Wednesday officials there told Fox News they have ruled him out as a potential person of interest in those cases.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
It doesn't fly. Stepheny was estimated dead between 6 and 7:30 AM. Joran now says he went out for an espresso coffee and some biscolettes to eat, while he sat near the body, ate his breakfast and tried to figure how to get the body out. Also took amphetamines to keep him going. This just makes me want to throw up.
He realized there was no way he could get the body out in his bag without being noticed. That must be when he decided to make a show of going out for two coffees, one for him and one for her, for show. When he left he told the clerk not to disturb his girl!
There is a video out that I haven't been able to embed, shows very clear when they entered the casino, Joran first, then Stepheny. He reached for her hand as in a handshake and she deposited something in it which he took and put down by his money. She had money on her in a waistpurse. I'll try and find a link at least. The videos are much better quality than any seen from Aruba casinos.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 12:53:10 PM
Sleuth, you and I end up here at the same time, lol. Thanks for posting the article. :)
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 01:00:42 PM


Video of Stepheny and Joran at the casino. He ran out of money, she had money, which wasn't on her when she was found. Neither was her jewellry. I don't think Steph saw anything on his laptop at all. Murder for robbery. Premeditated.>>>Prison!!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
Stephany won $ 10,000 in the game, says family lawyer
Netherlands took her to the hotel under the pretext of giving back money he borrowed.

Stephany Ramirez Flores had won no less than $ 10,000 playing poker in Atlantic City casino de Miraflores, money that has disappeared, said family lawyer Edward Alvarez.

He added that half of the game, Stephany lent money to the Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot to continue betting on hearing that he had lost everything. One of the assumptions in the research is that the alien made Stephany accompany him to the hotel "Tac" supposed to return the borrowed money.

Edward Alvarez's lawyer added that another hypothesis is that Stephany went to the hotel to learn some techniques Dutchman's view that gambling is going to make a tournament, which is less credible, given that she was best player in the Netherlands .

Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 10, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
I thought Joran looked "wired" when he left that hotel room for the last time....he was on amphetamines...it shows...
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 10, 2010, 02:18:09 PM
I wonder if he remembered to put cream cheese on his baguettes....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

What a total creap!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 04:46:10 PM

June 10, 2010 | 5:33 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot lied (now there is a surprise!)

Check out the info Kim just emailed me from Peru....the bold is done by me, not by Kim:


**Joran was lying in his first confession, that he killed her for what she saw on the computer. Eventually after more interrogation from police, police were able to ascertain from Joran that he had planned to rob Stephanie, not that he killed her because she saw info on his computer.

**They will likely charge Joran with "homicidio agravado" - approximate English translation is premeditated aggravated homicide. That is what was advised. This would bring the highest possible sentence, 35 years.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 10, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
I sure hope it is in that horrible prison they have there!
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on June 10, 2010, 05:28:31 PM
I heard on TV that the food is so bad (quote "inedable") that a lot of the prisoners get family or friends to bring in food from the outside...what will poor Joran do??  I don't think he has either in Peru.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on June 10, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
I heard on TV that the food is so bad (quote "inedable") that a lot of the prisoners get family or friends to bring in food from the outside...what will poor Joran do??  I don't think he has either in Peru.

His mother is there now under heavy security but she won't be always. He'll probably take someone else's food since he has no problems with stealing. He has some supporters in Aruba and in USA that might send him stuff that can be sent by mail however packages rarely make thier destination. I have relatives living there and they've said postal wokers open packages looking for valuable things and those packages never reach destinations.
Title: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 10, 2010, 07:03:11 PM
I wonder what his "momma" is going to do???? 

She had to know how troubled her son was, all these years. I wonder if they have their own cleanup crew for her insane son. Coverup, or else she has intentions of buying off the authorities and judges, etc. Money talks in poor countries.

I cannot believe the stories he told the Chilean authorities. Unbelieveable!
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: debbiec on June 11, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
Van der Sloot charged with first-degree murder
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1 hour, 1 minute ago

By Frank Bajak, The Associated Press
LIMA, Peru - A Peruvian judge on Friday ordered Joran van der Sloot jailed on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the killing of a 21-year-old Lima woman, determining that he acted with "ferocity and great cruelty."

Lima Superior Court Judge Juan Buendia issued the order before dawn Friday, instructing penal authorities to place the 22-year-old Dutchman in a penitentiary pending trial.

Van der Sloot remains the lone suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Natalee Holloway, and the chief of Peru's criminal police said he told investigators that he knows the location of the U.S. teen's body.

Police say Van der Sloot smashed in the face of Lima business student Stephany Flores, whom he met playing poker at a casino, after taking her to his hotel room on May 30. They say he then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

If convicted on the murder and robbery charges, Van der Sloot would be sentenced to between 15 and 35 years in prison, court spokesman Luis Gallardo told The Associated Press.

"The aggravating factors are having acted with ferocity and great cruelty," he said.

The announcement of the charges and judge's order came in a news release issued by the court shortly before 9 a.m. Friday.

It was not immediately known to which prison Van der Sloot would be assigned or how long it might take before his trial begins.

Sheathed in a bulletproof vest, Van der Sloot was moved Thursday from criminal police headquarters across downtown Lima to a cell at the prosecutor's office.

Flores was killed three days after meeting Van der Sloot, police say, and five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Lima criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press on Thursday night that when Van der Sloot confessed to killing the Lima business student, investigators asked him about the Holloway case and "he let slip that he knew the place where this person was buried."

Guardia said, however, that the Dutchman told investigators "he would only testify (on the matter) before Aruba authorities."

He said he didn't know how seriously to take Van der Sloot's comment given his history of dubious statements the Alabama teen's disappearance.

Van der Sloot's newly hired attorney has asked Judge Buendia to declare his client's Monday confession void on the grounds he made it in the presence of a defence lawyer appointed by police.

It was not immediately known whether the judge had ruled on that request.

Guardia said the confession was legal — that a government-appointed lawyer and an interpreter approved by the Dutch Embassy were present. He also said that Peruvian interrogators had restricted their questioning to the death of Flores, the daughter of a circus promoter and former race car driver.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimetre-tall) Van der Sloot impressed investigators with both his intelligence and brutality, Guardia told the AP.

The general said Van der Sloot took Flores' cash, about $300 worth of Peruvian currency, two credit cards and her national ID card. Police say he also took her car, abandoning it in a lower-class Lima neighbourhood before fleeing south to Chile.

Guardia said Van der Sloot said he killed Flores because she found out about the Aruba case by using his laptop without his permission while went out for coffee.

But he said police do not necessarily believe him and think he may have killed Flores before going out and returning to the hotel room with two cups of coffee and rolls.

Col. Miguel Canlla, chief of homicide investigations, told the AP that Van der Sloot took off his shirt after strangling Flores and put it on her. He said the Dutchman wanted to put her body into a suitcase but couldn't.

"He is cold, calculating and cynical," Canlla said.

The evidence against the Van der Sloot includes hotel security camera video showing him and Flores entering his hotel room together and the Dutchman leaving alone four hours later.

Security camera video from the Atlantic City early on the morning of her death shows Flores arriving at a poker table where Van der Sloot is sitting with other players, shaking his hand as if they met before and then taking the seat next to him. The two later leave together.

Van der Sloot was charged with extortion in the United States on June 2 — the day of his arrest in Chile — in a case the commenced after Van der Sloot contacted John Kelly, a New York lawyer for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, in April, according to an affidavit.

The Dutchman allegedly was seeking $250,000 in exchange for the location of the young woman's body, how she died and the identity of those involved.

Van der Sloot's father died in February and he "wanted to come clean, but he also wanted money," said Bo Dietl, a private investigator who worked with Kelly on the case.

After consulting with Twitty, Kelly contacted the FBI.

It sent 10 to 12 agents to Aruba for a sting operation, he said, in which Kelly on May 10 gave Van der Sloot $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 was wired to a bank account.

Van der Sloot was told he would get $225,000 once the body was found, Dietl said. According to the affidavit, Van der Sloot insisted that a written contract be signed between him and Twitty.

Van der Sloot was secretly videotaped by the FBI in an Aruba hotel telling Kelly he pushed Holloway down, that she hit her head on a rock and died, the affidavit says. He said he then contacted his father, who helped him bury the body.

Kelly and Van der Sloot went to where the Dutchman said he and his father had put Holloway — in the foundation of a house.

No body has been found, however.

And the affidavit says Van der Sloot admitted in a May 17 email — he was in Peru by then — that he had lied about the location of Holloway's remains.

It was not the first time Van der Sloot has admitted to having lied about the case. Several times, he made confessions he later retracted.

Van der Sloot was the last person seen with Holloway before the girl vanished on the last night of a high school graduation trip.

He was arrested twice but released both times for a lack of evidence.

Associated Press Writers Franklin Briceno in Lima, Samantha Gross in New York City and Pete Yost in Washington contributed to this report.

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 11, 2010, 09:12:02 PM
OOps...Missed the fact that he got two coffees... What a joke...he probably had to order two, because they don't have extra large there. I don't believe he is the type of man who would actually buy a woman a coffee unless they are incapcitated. Then he drinks it for them. Kinda reminds me of the scene evidence collected at my Auntie's murder.  hmmmmmmmm............. Murder doesn't change over time does it?
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: debbiec on June 15, 2010, 04:32:27 PM
1 hour, 38 minutes ago

By Carla Salazar, The Associated Press
LIMA, Peru - The recently hired Peruvian defence attorney for accused murderer Joran van der Sloot said Tuesday that he's quitting after receiving death threats.

"I've received threats, many threatening emails. I'm an older person. This isn't for me," Maximo Altez, 54, told The Associated Press.

He would not describe the threats in a brief telephone conversation, saying only that he would stop representing the young Dutchman when members of Van der Sloot's family arrive in Peru in the next few days.

Police say Van der Sloot confessed last week to killing a 21-year-old Lima student, Stephany Flores, on May 30 in his hotel room after the two met playing poker at a casino.

Van der Sloot, 22, also remains the lone suspect in the disappearance exactly five years earlier in Aruba of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway. He was twice arrested and freed in that case for lack of evidence.

It was not known who will replace Altez. Dutch officials said before Van der Sloot was charged last week that his mother, a schoolteacher in Aruba, might have to borrow money in order to afford defence counsel. She has refused to talk to reporters.

A Peruvian judge on Friday ordered Van der Sloot jailed pending trial.

A different judge, Carlos Morales, will preside over the case, said court spokesman Luis Gallardo. It is not known when the trial will begin.

Prosecutors say Van der Sloot acted with "ferocity and great cruelty" in allegedly killing Flores. According to a transcript of the confession police say he made, Van der Sloot elbowed the young woman in the nose, strangled her with both hands, threw her to the floor, took off his bloodied shirt and asphyxiated her.

If convicted, he faces from 15 to 35 years in prison.

Van der Sloot is being held in a segregated block of the maximum-security Castro Castro prison in eastern Lima. He asked to be separated from the main prison population out of fear for his life.

The Dutchman has his own 2-by-3.5-meter (6.6-by-11.5-foot) cell, which is adjacent to that of a reputed Colombian hit man, a spokesman for the National Penal Institute told the AP, speaking on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

Both share the television set in the Colombian inmate's cell, the spokesman said.

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Concerned on June 15, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
Odd that an attorney would state that he is stepping down from a case because he fears death threats. Thought that was not too smart to say since he will probably be representing other criminals in the future and that shows weakness and vulnerability. Especially for a defense attorney.

On the other hand, it came at a time when the press is reporting "Joran Van Der Sloot attorney resigns, as lurid photos of the death scene of murder victim Stephany Flores Ramirez begin to surface in the press." ...
lawyersearchstore.com/attorney/.../death-scene-photos-surface-van-der-sloot- attorney-resigns-post-chronicle
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on June 17, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
On NG tonight, it is mentioned that Vandersloot's mother is not as wealthy as once thought, and that she has two younger sons. Hmmm .... maybe covering up her son's booboos cost more than she thought.????
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Van der Sloot's attorney changed his mind and is now embarking on a wreckless path of charging  all those who incarcerated Joran. He's no longer afraid of death threats he received it seems. He has had to move his office and secure safety for his family. IMHO money talks here.


Van der Sloot Files Complaint Against Chief Detective, Says Reports
Posted by Edecio Martinez

Joran van der Sloot (AP Photo/Roberto Candia)
NEW YORK (CBS/AP) Joran van der Sloot has filed a complaint of misconduct against chief of detectives Col. Miguel Canlla and other officials involved in his murder investigation, according to reports.

PICTURES: Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene

According to newspaper El Comercio, the Dutch national claims his arrest in Chile for the murder of Stephany Flores was executed without a proper warrant. He also states in the complaint that he was not given an official translator, which caused confusion.

"All this with the intention of pressuring me to accuse me of homicide," van der Sloot said in a document obtained by Peruvian television news program "24 Hours."

Van der Sloot, 22, has been charged with the premeditated murder of Flores in his hotel room in Lima, Peru - five years to the day after the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

He is the main suspect in Holloway's disappearance, but her body has never been found and he has never been charged.

According to Peruvian police, van der Sloot offered a complete confession to Flores' murder. Van der Sloot later claimed he only confessed because he was intimidated and was promised he would be extradited to the Netherlands.

He faces a sentence of 15 to 35 years, if convicted.

Graphic crime scene photos, obtained exclusively by 48 Hours | Mystery from sources close to the investigation and published exclusively by Crimesider, show a severely beaten Flores, her body badly bruised, her clothes stained with blood.

Complete Coverage of Joran van der Sloot on Crimesider

Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 11:03:31 AM
Advocate of Joran van der Sloot: "I will go to the IACHR" (with Video)

The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot, Maximum Highness, ahead of Radio Nederland Netherlands that the case of murder suspect could be raised to the Inter-American Human Rights Commission.

There are many silences that surround even the defense around the young Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, reported by the Peruvian police as a suspect in the murder of Stephany Flores, who died May 30, the same date five years before Natalee disappeared Holloway in Aruba.

Listen to the interview with Maximo Highness: Flash version 9.0 or greater is required

Van der Sloot could receive a sentence of at least 15 years in prison on charges of first degree murder, with "aggravation of ferocity and cruelty, and theft after allegedly having appropriated a sum of money from the victim.

In his first appearance before a court in Lima, van der Sloot was silent. And he will not be resolved until an action for an alleged violation of due process.

PG: What is the resource that you have filed on behalf of Joran van der Sloot?

MA: Habeas corpus means to return the body. Judicially applied in the sense that when it has violated the right of a person gets the resource, causing all return to the stage at the beginning of the violation of this right. In this case what was that? When he took a statement in which a lawyer was not present. Police provided him with Joran van der Sloot a lawyer why he has not named, she is a friend of them. That lawyer has no document that authorizes the attorney is it, they have named at random and therefore has no authorization from Joran van der Sloot.

PG: He says then that there was a violation of due process that corresponds to Joran van der Sloot?

MA: From every point of view there have been violations of rights of Joran van der Sloot. How to you I will make a statement in which he is guilty when you do not have a lawyer? Everyone has the presumption of innocence, and such person is entitled to a defense, and here it has not been observed. I'll forward you something: if I lose, I do not support this application for habeas corpus, I will appeal to higher authorities. When draining the national authority is international. The plan is to go to the Interamerican Commission on Human Rights, based in Costa Rica.

PG: And to be admitted the writ of habeas corpus?

MA: The process should be back to square one. In Peru there are just two reasons to dictate detention: one is in flagrante delicto, that is, at the time of the offense, and the other is by court order. In the case of flagrante delicto Joran has not been because they have not caught when he allegedly committed the crime. There has been an injunction based on research that has been made fraudulently. Then the prosecution would be null too. Not that Joran van der Sloot will go free, because once you take your statement with all the guarantees of the law, and he is back to his arrest.

PG: In other words, habeas corpus is a priority.

MA: It's a key point to achieve, because in this second statement he will say things as they have happened. We are not basing a defense denying the facts or trying to misrepresent the evidence, we are making a defense in which respect the rights of my client, due process, which has not happened.


Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 11:05:20 AM

Excerpts from Van der Sloot confession
Posted: Jun 15, 2010 12:29 PM PDT
Updated: Jun 15, 2010 12:29 PM PDT

Excerpts from the signed June 6 confession of Joran van der Sloot, who was subsequently charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the killing of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian business student whom he met while playing poker in a Lima casino.

In the confession, a transcript of which was obtained by The Associated Press, Van der Sloot is questioned by a prosecutor in the presence of a state-appointed defense attorney.

Van der Sloot spoke in Dutch, with a translator approved by the Dutch Embassy translating his comments into Spanish. The Spanish has been translated into English by the AP.

Van der Sloot's charges were struck down by a Judge who found no evidence of mishandling.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 11:08:06 AM
Amigoe.com/english (a little different version)

Joran complains about police treatment
24 Jun, 2010, 08:04 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/LIMA — Joran van der Sloot (22) has filed a complaint against the Peruvian police. According to the murder suspect, he was supposedly arrested on June 3rd in Chili without an arrest warrant. Moreover, Joran says his rights were violated during police interrogations.
“I was denied the right to an adequate defense. I was appointed a lawyer who apparently is the girlfriend of a police officer at the station”, Joran states in his compliant on the police interrogations. News broadcasting station CNN managed to get hold of documents in which the complaint is recorded. Joran further complains about the interpreter during the interrogation. “An unofficial interpreter who was imposed on me, made me confused. With this, justice wanted to ensure I would blame myself.” Moreover, by his own accord, he was threatened during his interrogation. “He states a pail filled with water was placed next to him during the interrogation. The investigators subsequently threatened to hold Joran’s head under water if he did not give a statement”, says John van den Heuvel, journalist with De Telegraaf. The past week, Van den Heuvel visited Joran in the Castro Castro prison where the 22-year old is held in custody. Joran confesses the murder of the 21-year old Peruvian Stephany Flores, but now states this confession is not correct. He now maintains he had simply placed his signature with the promise he would be allowed to go the Netherlands. What actually did occur, he would reveal later on. It’s become clear Joran blames the FBI for ‘luring’ him to Peru. Moreover, they had secretly tailed him the night Flores was murdered, according to his story.

Meanwhile, Anita van der Sloot, Joran’s mother, is finished with this. In an interview with the Dutch broadcasting station RTL 4, she says: “Angry is putting it mildly. I experienced something like, why don’t you fall through the floor. I’m no longer going to do anything for you.” Visibly emotional, she tells her story and says amongst others that Joran became very depressed after his father passed away earlier this year. In the interview with reporter Van den Heuvel, Joran says, “I understand why my mother does not want to visit me in prison. I have caused her too much pain. If only I had listened to her.” Meanwhile, the American station ABC had purchased the interview with Anita.

eta: Anita has recently done an interview with a Dutch media who sold her interview to an American bidder. The talk was of 100,000. dollars not only for the interview, but also some pictures of Joran as a kid. (media are not allowed to pay for just an interview). Some of that 100,000. will go for Joran's defense.
Melody Granadillo who had some love affair she claimed real, with Joran in their early teens kept a diary of Joran and her romance. She had given up on Joran long ago, but since Anita was also in touch with her, she gave an interview and her Diary netted 150 grand from ABC. Recently Anita, Granadillo and a fervent supporter of Joran were chatting on FB with the supporter calling Melody a great lady, so it seems possible that Melody still having thoughts on Joran will be adding some of her newfound fortune to Joran's defense. Especially since Anita is so after her. ::)
I do wonder if this is what was dangled in front of Altaz's face to have him change his mind.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 11:09:49 AM
Van der Sloot files suit against initial lawyer

(AP) – LIMA, Peru — Joran van der Sloot has sued the lawyer who represented him during a police interrogation on the day that authorities say the Dutchman confessed to killing a Peruvian woman, his current attorney said Saturday.

Maximo Altez told The Associated Press he filed suit Friday charging attorney Luz Romero Chinchay with misrepresentation, abuse of authority and conspiracy to commit a crime. Altez said the initial lawyer "pretended to be a public advocate when he is actually a private attorney."

"We have searched the name of Luz Romero Chinchay in the list of public defenders provided by the Ministry of Justice and his name was not on that list. We do not know why the police called this lawyer. We want to know who paid for him because my client did not," Altez said.

Under Peruvian law, a crime suspect who does not have private counsel is provided with a public defender who works for the Ministry of Justice.

Altez said he also has filed suit charging the same offenses against Col. Miguel Canlla, chief of the police homicide squad, who led the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Neither Romero Chinchay nor Canlla could be reached for comment.

A motion by Van der Sloot seeking to throw out his confession was dismissed June 25. Van der Sloot recanted the confession in a jailhouse interview with the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, claiming it was made under duress.

On the night of June 7, police announced that Van der Sloot had confessed to the murder of the Stephany Flores on May 30 in his Lima hotel room. The charge carries a maximum penalty of 15 and 35 years in prison.

Van der Sloot also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 04, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
I suppose this kind of behaviour is expected from Joran and his attorney. Even if they should win this, the evidence alone is rock solid and enough to convict Joran. The only problem foreseen by some is if they do win, the "laptop" of Joran may not be permissable in court. IMHO there's something on there that will sink him good.
As far as this last venture, considering the Judge happens to be the Judge who fights corruption, he, imo, will also throw out this last charge as well. (Hopefully)
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on July 05, 2010, 12:17:03 AM
Joran is acting just like all murderers on death row, act. You know how they say they never killed anybody, someone else made them do it, they were the victim not the person they murdered, etc. etc. etc.

Guilty is Guilty!
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on July 16, 2010, 11:12:43 AM
All seems to have been quiet lately, Baba. July 15th came and went, and no foreign lawyers have been mentioned again. Most of that reporting on the lawyers came from Peru21 which I wonder about as being trash mag like the Enquirer. One thing that changed a week or so ago, it seems that a Pablo Altex Navarro seems to have taken up for Joran and no further mention of Maximo. Pablo had some strange story about a third person present that killed Stepheny, much like Joe Tacopina's thoughts. Joe claims he has nothing to do with the case, and he can't either as it's out of his jurisdiction.

Concerned: You mentioned about the lurid pictures, and some have thought those might be leaked pictures that someone at the crime scene investigation caught with their cellphones and sold to Peru 21. Some of them were not very clear as well. I took a look at the Peru 21 paper through google and their's also alot of 'racy' material on that newspaper, so I'm thinking that's why we got such conflicting info in the beginning, like we would from the Enquirer.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Baba Donya on July 17, 2010, 12:47:47 AM
There has got to be one rag in every country...the unusual thing about rags though, is that there is some piece of truth in their articles, you just have to figure out what it is.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on August 27, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
Someone must be paying the lawyer some topnotch fees as he's going all out to combat the sentence Joran may and should get for his heinous cold-blooded murderous act against a young female. The Judges have spoken once that all was in order when Joran confessed, and this week they are once again going over all of the steps. I believe Joran wants to give a new confession and we all know how that went in Natalee Holloway's case. It's time for van der Sloot's games of confession to end. How in the world does he get away with it?!!! How does he have the most stringent of judicial systems buckle to his commands?!!! He has a small handful of fans who always gifted him money and probably did so again. His mother was well paid for an interview in which she also lied. Unforgivable that these people want a murdering thug to go free!!! If he goes free, where will he go is the next question...SAP

Google translation
Maximum Highness, lawyer of Joran Van der Sloot Holan, filed a habeas corpus action before the judiciary in order to overturn the police investigation into the assassinate of Stephany Flores, considering that during these proceedings were violated his rights sponsored.

The lawyer said that one of the moments in which foreign rights were concerned, occurred when he was questioned by a leading lawyer for the national police.

He also indicated that Van der Sloot is "disappointed" by the way the media dealt with the issue of crime Flores Ramirez (21), on 30 May in a hotel in the Miraflores district.

"It's not like what the media says (referring to the murder). He feels sorry," said Royal Highness, who assumed the defense of the Netherlands recently.

The lawyer asked that Van der Sloot is denounced by homicide violent emotion, pain that does not exceed nine years in prison and ensures that Stephany's death occurred after a confrontation that occurred between two women after review of his laptop.

"We prefer to start the case from scratch. We will challenge any and we will make a new statement which is presented by the prosecutor, a translator and present me as a defense lawyer, told a local news program.


Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 19, 2010, 04:26:17 PM
September 17, 2010 4:11 PM
Beth Holloway Visits Joran van der Sloot in Prison, Say Reports
Posted by Naimah Jabali-Nash

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (CBS/WIAT) Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished five years ago in Aruba, went to the Peruvian prison where the suspect Joran van der Sloot is being held on unrelated charges and spoke to him for about five minutes, reports the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dutch media report that Beth Holloway was accompanied by Dutch crime reporter Peter de Vries, who is well-known for capturing several hidden camera "confessions" in which van der Sloot told a variety of stories about Natalee's fate.

De Vries and Holloway reportedly made it to van der Sloot's cell, but were thrown out once authorities discovered the hidden camera. There are conflicting reports about what happened next: Beth Holloway may have been briefly detained, then released, or could still be in custody, reports WIAT.

WIAT reached the American embassy in Lima, but officials there were not certain whether Beth Holloway was or was not in custody.

According to Peru's TV station "24 Horas," van der Sloot hardly spoke to the two visitors, referring them to his "lawyer." That is consistent with what van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer Maximo Altez told NBC News.

Altez also told NBC News that the visit was intended "to create a TV special which would include her, the Flores family, and an interview with Joran van der Sloot," reports WIAT. Altez said Dutch media "snuck Beth Holloway-Twitty into Castro Castro [the prison] without identifying who she was and put her face-to-face with Van der Sloot."

Holloway told Van der Sloot that she had "no hate in her soul" for him, Altez told NBC News, at which point the Dutchman handed her Altez's business card, claiming that he could not speak to her without his lawyer present. Prison officials then removed Holloway, de Vries and the rest of the Dutch news team from the prison, according to WIAT.

Van der Sloot is being held for the death of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores, whom he confessed to fatally beating, strangling and suffocating in his Lima hotel room, according to transcripts of his signed confession. He has since recanted his confession in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, and has attempted - thus far unsuccessfully - to have the confession suppressed for a variety of reasons.

Flores' death occurred five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case in which van der Sloot is the main suspect. The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Stephany Flores.

source:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20016867-504083.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20016867-504083.html)
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 19, 2010, 04:30:56 PM
No matter how you slice it and dice it, Joran Van der Sloot is screwed.  Peru will not extradite him to Holland, since there is no extradition treaty between the 2 countries.  That means Van der Sloot will be tried and imprisoned in a Peru jail, which is nothing at all like Canadian or European jails.  He is also arguably the most hated man in the country right now, as Peruvians don't take too kindly to foreigners who kill local civilians.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on September 20, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
Amen to that. The President of Peru said in the first days they had Vandersloot behind bars, that there would be no extradition and that he would be tried there and his sentence will be carried out there. He finally met his doom and yes, he is hated by a great deal inside and outside of the prison. :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 20, 2010, 09:51:15 PM
Yes, it is unbelievable that he has been in the public spotlight for over 5 years, and was allowed to commit various crimes in multiple countries.  Now his luck has run out.  He will most likely be in his 50's when released from Peru, if he makes it that far in life...
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on September 21, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
The interview Joran's mother, Anita gave to van den Heuval from Nl, as well as Joran's latest has apparently netted 500,000. ( American media buying it) towards Joran's defense and his lawyer wants to cripple the legal process. Lets hope this is the last time the American media pay for crap as they did with the Melody Granadillo teeny bopper love story about Joran, the perfect sweet lover. (ABC---Cuomo)
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on November 18, 2010, 02:35:39 PM
Per Amigoe.com/english  (online news Aruba)

Amigoe English
‘Joran possibly released after six years’ORANJESTAD/ LIMA — If Joran van der Sloot is convicted, he could be released after six years already. His lawyer, Máximo Altívez said this before the press in Peru. According to reports, Joran sticks to his confession of murdering Stephany Flores on May 30th, but denies stealing 800 soles and the victim’s vehicle.

It would be a crime of the century if Joran only netted 6 years imprisonment for Stephany's gruesome murder!
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 21, 2010, 09:08:56 AM
Revelan archivos de Van Der Sloot horas antes del asesinato

Joran Van Der Sloot, el holandés acusado de asesinar brutalmente a la joven peruana Stephany Flores, realizó diversas búsquedas en Internet horas antes de cometer el crimen, señaló un informe del programa periodístico Cuarto Poder.

Dirección de Alta Tecnología de la Policía Nacional reveló que el supuesto asesino visitó páginas relacionadas a la muerte Natalee Holloway, su primera víctima y búsquedas como: relación entre policía peruana y chilena, buses a Chile, pasar frontera chilena y países que no conceden extradición en América Latina. Indicios que el holandés tuvo planeado en todo momento huir de la justicia peruana y evitar ser capturado.

En la computadora portátil de marca HP-Pavilion, de color negro, se halló varios ingresos a un portal de póker en línea, donde las horas de juego coincidirían el momento en que Flores fue llevada con engaños a la habitación dónde encontró fin.

Además, una amiga de la víctima declaró que la vio retirando una fuerte suma de dinero, que según autoridades peruanas, fue utilizado por el holandés para su huida. De quedar demostrado, si la causa del crimen fue por robo, Van Der Sloot podría ser condenado a cadena perpetua.
http://tinyurl.com/358e55v (http://tinyurl.com/358e55v)

googled ...

Files reveal Van Der Sloot hours before the murder

National Police recorded on the laptop's murderer Flores Stephany searches for his first victim, Natalee Holloway, and related agreements on extradition and buses to Chile.

Joran Van Der Sloot , the Dutch accused of brutally murdering the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, made several searches on the Internet hours before the crime, according to a report the news program Cuarto Poder.

Advanced Technology Directorate of the National Police revealed that the alleged murderer visited sites related to Natalee Holloway's death, his first victim and searches like: relationship between Peruvian and Chilean police, buses to Chile, Chilean border pass, and countries that do not grant extradition Latin America . Indications that the Dutch had always planned to flee the Peruvian justice system and avoid being captured.

In the HP brand laptop, Pavilion, black, was found several entries to online poker portal, where hours of game would match the time Flores was taken by deception to the room where he found purpose.

Also, a friend of the victim said he saw withdrawing a large sum of money, according to Peruvian authorities, was used by the Dutch for their flight. To be demonstrated, if the cause of the crime was robbery, Van Der Sloot could be sentenced to life imprisonment.   

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 21, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
Richardo Flores Jvds lives like " Royalty "

Padre de Stephany Flores:"Van der Sloot vive ‘a cuerpo de rey’ en Castro Castro"

Luego de que se difundieran imágenes de la confrontación entre e holandés con la madre de la desaparecida joven Natalee Holloway, e empresario Ricardo Flores alzó su voz de protesta por el trato que el asesino recibe en prisión.

Miércoles 10 de noviembre de 2010 - 02:42 am

El empresario y ex corredor de autos Ricardo Flores denunció que vive “a cuerpo de rey” en el penal Castro Castro, donde puede pasear a sus anchas por un amplio patio e incluso adquirir marihuana “a cinco soles".

Para el conocido ‘Riflo’, se trata de una situación por demás vergonzosa que el Instituto Nacional Penitenciario (INPE) no ha resuelto.

“El INPE debe darle el tratamiento de cualquier delincuente. Sé de hacinamiento que hay en Castro Castro, y él ha estado en una celda solo”, refirió.

Protestó además porque van seis meses desde que se cometió e crimen y a la fecha, Van der Sloot se niega a dar su declaración al juez correspondiente. “La ley se lo permite, parece que estuviera hecha para proteger a los asesinos. Me siento burlado por el INPE”, afirmó.

Respecto de la entrevista que Van der Sloot tuvo con Beth Twitty, la madre de Natalee Holloway, a quien el holandés también habría asesinado, Ricardo Flores señaló que se trata de la “tercera o cuarta vez que sucede algo similar”, por lo cual no se sintió extrañado.

Toda esa situación ha generado profunda indignación entre los deudos de la joven, asesinada en mayo último por el holandés dentro de un hotel de Miraflores.

Flores detalló que su esposa y sus hijos están bajo tratamiento psicológico y bajo el suministro de medicamentos, luego del trágico final de su hija Stephany Flores.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/666822/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-van-der-sloot-vive-cuerpo-rey-castro-castro (http://elcomercio.pe/lima/666822/noticia-padre-stephany-flores-van-der-sloot-vive-cuerpo-rey-castro-castro)

Google Translation

Stephany Father Flores: "Van der Sloot lives 'like royalty' in Castro Castro"

After it released images of the confrontation between the Dutch with the mother of the missing girl Natalee Holloway , the entrepreneur Ricardo Flores raised his voice in protest against the murderer receives treatment in prison.

The entrepreneur and former racer Ricardo Flores reported that Joran van der Sloot, alleged killer of his daughter Stephany Flores , live "like kings" in the Castro Castro prison, where you can wander freely through a large courtyard and even buy marijuana "five suns."

For the famous 'rifle' , it is a shameful situation other than the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) has not resolved.

"The INPE must give any offender treatment. I know that there is overcrowding in Castro Castro, and he's been in a cell alone, "he declared.

Also protested because they are six months since the commission of the crime and to date, Van der Sloot will not give his statement to the judge concerned. the murderers. I feel deceived by the INPE "he said.

Regarding the interview with Van der Sloot was with Beth Twitty Natalee Holloway's mother, whom the Dutch have also killed, Ricardo Flores said that this is the "third or fourth time that something similar" and therefore not he was surprised.

That whole situation has caused deep anger among the relatives of the girl killed last May by the Dutch in a hotel in Miraflores.

Flores explained that his wife and their children are under psychological treatment and under the provision of drugs, after the tragic end of his daughter Stephany Flores.

Strange how Joran van der Sloot gets preferential treatment wherever he goes!! He brutally murders Lima's own daughter and gets to walk around amongst guards, using money as influence. His own mother did a number of interviews that were bought up by American media for good sums of money, and that money seems to be giving Joran a privileged life while in Castro Castro.
Meanwhile the family of Stephany remain psychologically battered!!
With the release of his laptop findings that ocurred prior to and after Stephany's death, I really hope they have enough to bring the hammer down on him.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 23, 2010, 12:13:42 AM
Detectives were able to correlate certain moves of Joran, between the evidence/times on the computer and the times he showed on the cameras as leaving and returning. As well they found that Stephany was on the poker site gambling with Joran. Also some of Joran's research was done long before Stephany met and went to Joran's room. It would seem they have murder and robbery, which translates to 35 years.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on March 08, 2011, 01:23:29 AM
In Peru a crime of passion can result in 5 to 6 years imprisonment only if the perp is immediately repentent. Joran fled.
Lawyer Altez has now admitted that Joran did indeed murder Stepany. The high conspiracy babble of Beth Holloway and FBI framing Joran seems to have been dropped.

JVDS Defense Asks To Be Judged Crime By Passion..

Joran Van Der Sloot Event

Van der Sloot Defense asks to be judged by "passion"
Counsel argues that the Dutch did not kill Stephany Flores ntentionally. Expected sentence of three to five years.
Sunday March 6, 2011 - 01:08 pm

The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot said the program "Domingo Al Dia that his client killed the girl Stephany Flores product of a violent emotion, not intentionally. Therefore asked not to be tried for murder and prevent a sentence of 25 years in prison.

"When Miss Stephany Flores was poking around on the computer of Van der Sloot, he realized that he had had previous problems at the death of from Joran. They began to argue and began to play with hands pushing and unleashed all that we know, right? "Said the lawyer, Max Altez.

"When Miss Stephany Flores was poking around on the computer of Van der Sloot, he realized that he had had previous problems at the death of from Joran. They began to argue and began to play with hands pushing and unleashed all that we know, right? "Said the lawyer, Max Altez. "

He also indicated that the Dutch have not declared so far because he has not been given a qualified translator.

FLORES FAMILY ATTORNEY rejected the defense of the Dutch For its part, the lawyer for the family of Stephanie Flores, Edward Alvarez, said this new defense strategy does not withstand further analysis.

"That laptop with information on Aruba crime occurred long before Stephanie was with him at the hotel," he said.

Thus, Alvarez said it is "totally untrue" that Flores has discussed with Van der Sloot for such information.


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Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on March 08, 2011, 01:28:27 AM
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JVDS Defense Asks To Be Judged Crime By Passion..

Joran Van Der Sloot Event

Van der Sloot Defense asks to be judged by "passion"
Counsel argues that the Dutch did not kill Stephany Flores ntentionally. Expected sentence of three to five years.
Sunday March 6, 2011 - 01:08 pm

The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot said the program "Domingo Al Dia that his client killed the girl Stephany Flores product of a violent emotion, not intentionally. Therefore asked not to be tried for murder and prevent a sentence of 25 years in prison.

"When Miss Stephany Flores was poking around on the computer of Van der Sloot, he realized that he had had previous problems at the death of from Joran. They began to argue and began to play with hands pushing and unleashed all that we know, right? "Said the lawyer, Max Altez.

"When Miss Stephany Flores was poking around on the computer of Van der Sloot, he realized that he had had previous problems at the death of from Joran. They began to argue and began to play with hands pushing and unleashed all that we know, right? "Said the lawyer, Max Altez. "

He also indicated that the Dutch have not declared so far because he has not been given a qualified translator.

FLORES FAMILY ATTORNEY rejected the defense of the Dutch For its part, the lawyer for the family of Stephanie Flores, Edward Alvarez, said this new defense strategy does not withstand further analysis.

"That laptop with information on Aruba crime occurred long before Stephanie was with him at the hotel," he said.

Thus, Alvarez said it is "totally untrue" that Flores has discussed with Van der Sloot for such information.


Google translation...

Dutch say to the judges Stefany Flores killed by "passion" to avoid a sentence of 25 years in prison.

Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot , confessed murderer of Stephany Flores , break his silence and say to the judiciary how the crime occurred.

Van der Sloot will argue that the girl killed by "violent emotion." Thus, the Dutch citizen wants to avoid a sentence of up to 25 years which would apply if convicted for the crime of homicide and robbery.

"The incident occurred when she rummaged in his laptop and discovered that he had a history in the Holloway case. That produced a backlash from Joran is pushed then discussed and ended as we know. to five years in prison, "said Max Altez, defender of the Dutch on Sunday a day.

Why confess after almost two years? Joran's lawyer says his client was not yet an official translator from Dutch to Spanish and therefore remained silent.

"We have requested more than two occasions that he gives his instructive, but no interpreter for the event," said the lawyer.

However, Edward Alvarez Flores family's lawyer, argues that the Dutch strategy does not stand further analysis. "What happened to the laptop before going to gamble with it. (...) Not only will go to jail for murder, but also for theft of property, "he said.


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Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on March 08, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Vandersloot is a cold blooded killer, he has killed Natalie, he has killed Stephany and how many more will he kill. He is an actor, he should be getting the Academy Award. How does the lawyer know what went on, he just calmly killed her and went out for coffee. This lawyer is sucking up all of this BS that Vandersloot is handing out. He should get the maximum penalty. I believe he terrorized Stephany. He showed her the picture of them accusing him of killing Natalie and then he just killed her. It was murder, what in the hell are they talking about here, a crime of passion. So everyone gets away with killing someone because they use the word "passion" Passion has nothing to do with murder, not if you look it up in the dicitionary. Murder is murder and stop trying to fancy it up with "domestic violence", "passion" "fit of anger", it is murder and that is exactly what it is when you take another life. It just makes me angry, I get upset when they try to glaze over it. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on March 08, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
I agree Cape. Yet pretty well every country's legal system uses that clause, and especially used by juries. I've often wondered why someone would put their faith in a jury ... oft times people who don't have anything to do with the law. I think I have my answer now.
There's no jury in Peru; rather a 3 Judge panel.
Joran and Altez's hopes won't float. Joran brutally killed and ran, taking with him valuables of Stephany's. Crime of passion, or an intense moment of anger is only usable when the perp is immediately repentent and Joran's computer shows he was looking for an escape route and then used Stephany's vehicle to escape with.
He wasn't thinking clearly at the time, b/c they weren't still looking for him ... he could have gotten on an airplane and been out of the country before Stephany was discovered. He was quite bizarre and irrational. It wasn't Aruba where he had so much help.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on March 08, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
He is a pretty big person and he knew what he was doing, hopefully he will get the 25 years. And Stephany comes from a very affluent family and I'm sure that this is not going to go the way Vandersloot thinks it is. He's always gotten away with everything, his father pulled him out of all of his scrapes, well now his dad is deceased and there is nobody to hang onto, his lifeline is gone.  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on March 09, 2011, 10:40:29 AM
One thing though, Cape, this is a case the whole world is watching b/c many don't trust the legal systems in SA. Now it's still a problem with interpreters, and they have to be very careful they don't make even the tiniest mistake with "Joran's rights", unfortunately. There's the great possibility of "technicalities". Already there have been some judges that didn't agree with charges. They have a 3 judge panel, no jury. If the 3 judges can't agree, if one disagrees, they are back to square one until they have 3 agreeing. I don't know how far they can go with that though.
Then there's still the extortion charge in Alabama, for the 25,000 extorted from Beth H; that's 25 years and they have record of all Joran's requests for money in exchange for telling the Holloways where Natalee is. That is a 25 year sentence.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: capeheart on March 09, 2011, 11:47:19 AM
Now on the news today on CTV, Vandersloot has claimed that Stephany was fooling around his computer and he went into a fit of rage over something and killed her. He was trying to claim temporary insanity, but it was noted that a person who was involved in questioning him has stated that there was no evidence of insanity. I don't think he's going to get away with this insanity plea. Her family and the whole country is watching this case and I'm sure he's will pay inside of jail or outside, someone is going to get this creep either legally or illegally. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on August 19, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
I don't know what is going on there but the Flores family think Joran will be released in 2012. He manages very well with the Spanish language as is seen on a video following but when it comes to a trial they need to have their T's crossed and their I's dotted because Joran has already complained about not having decent interpreters. Anything for a stall. He has learned his way around the legal system and uses it continually to escape his just rewards. In a place like Peru? It's so strict but I think they are being very lenient on Joran b/c the World is watching and Peru doesn't want a bad rap. Compare his incarceration to a young Dutch female who is in jail for 15 years smuggling drugs. Not that I condone drug smuggling, but it's in a total different ball park than a very brutal murder, imo. We're not the only country with a lacking justice system.

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on September 20, 2011, 12:08:05 PM

"Reformulating charge Joran on time '
(AP) - Sources around the court in Lima question whether justice charges against Joran van der Sloot within the prescribed period will reformulate. Normally, here eight days, but sources say that "this attorney knowing" it is questionable whether this is achieved. This would delay the process even more.

Friday let the court know the indictment returned to justice after pressure from family lawyer Flores, Edward Alvarez. According to him there are errors in the indictment. He also wants that justice requires lifetime against Van der Sloot, while OM has demanded thirty years.

If the court restated the indictment is received, the date of the publication. It is not clear whether sanctions for exceeding the limit. The court admonished prosecutors in August even to speed, but when they do not come with an official complaint.

The 24-year old Van der Sloot's been stuck in Peru since June 2010 for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. As in December without a conviction has come to Van der Sloot will be released. He should probably over the progress of his trial in Peru see if justice can appeal against the release.

Published on Monday, September 19, 2011 at 9:50:08
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on September 26, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
After originally claiming he was forced by threats to admit to the murder of Stephany Flores Ramirez, Joran van der Sloot is shown on the following video which has been leaked from Peru. He also stalled court proceedings because of his inability to understand Spanish. In the video it is quite clear that he does well with Spanish and the occasional stuttering/stalling/ word searching he does is evident in his spoken English as well.
He calmly answers the questions of the very mild interrogator and admits to Stephany's murder and goes on to explain how and why. His lies are not going to save him this time as they did in Aruba (Natalee Holloway)


Joran Van der Sloot, the young Dutchman who murdered Tatiana Flores Stephany Ramirez dawn on May 30, 2010 at a hotel in Miraflores, confessed to the crime during interrogation after being captured and returned to Chile to Lima research. In the video recorded by police, shows that Van der Sloot speaks and understands Spanish very well, but now his defense argued otherwise and deny his confession.
In the video, Van der Sloot confesses that after meeting in a casino Stephany, invites him to his hotel room. Once inside, she discovers the relationship with the murder of Natalee Holloway, a young woman who disappeared in Aruba. Enraged, he beat her and then strangling her with his hands. Research shows that Van der Slott surf the Internet from your laptop to organize the route you would use to leave the country to evade justice after stealing a wallet 800 soles de Flores
The tax report accuses him of simple murder and theft and could face 35 years imprisonment.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 06, 2011, 08:41:42 PM
Joran van der Sloot trial for the murder of Stephany Flores is to begin in the new year.

Following is a video of a Doctor Mary Hamer, radiologist and internist, who believes Joran was the subject of an FBI sting which caused the death of Stephany. She writes daily to FBI telling them she is investigating them for this. It takes all kinds! I wasn't joking when I said conspiracy theories can be dangerous. 

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: solvy on December 06, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
OMG no, this creep deserves everything he gets!
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 06, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
He does absolutely. The women who support him are off the "rocker". I wonder how far she will get with investigating the FBI. The story behind that is they are in cahoots with Beth Holloway. Incidently according to the same group, the Whitehouse also was in cahoots with Beth Holloway. 
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on December 06, 2011, 09:26:42 PM
Too bad someone (anyone) cannot talk any sense into this woman, DMH.   She needs to wake up and realize J would just take her for her money, and of course accept any kind of help.  But I think she hasn't got a hope with the FBI, I don't think she will get too far.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on December 06, 2011, 09:32:26 PM
I think if she keeps this up she will be the one thrown in jail, or another type of institution. She's from a professional family ... one would think someone could talk some sense into her. Well, I guess it's her money and she's going to throw it around.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: jobo on January 14, 2012, 06:18:29 AM
Joran VanDerSloot handed his sentence:

Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Trouble445 on January 14, 2012, 12:08:02 PM
Mary Hamer needs a serious mental health evaluation IMHO
She is "nuts" IMHO
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: Dulsebunny on January 17, 2012, 10:26:47 AM
I saw that "lady" on Anderson. Wow! Couldn't believe it. This isn't some kid caught shop lifting that might be led to see the error of his ways.
Title: Re: Stephany Flores
Post by: SAP on September 18, 2014, 10:58:38 AM
Joran van der Sloot ... suspected in the demise of Natalee Ann Holloway, and convicted of the death of Stephany Flores in Peru ... threatens to kill warden for taking his cellphone away and is sent to a very tough and cold prison in Peru.


He has been on a hunger strike. Not sure what good that will do him in Peru.