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Title: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Shwa on January 06, 2010, 12:34:05 PM
Durham Regional Police must be updated their site, because this case is new to me.  I don't recall seeing it on their site before.

http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=123

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Noreen Greenley (DOB: 16 May 1950) was 13 years old when she went missing in September 1963 in the Town of Bowmanville. The Bowmanville Police Department investigated Noreen’s disappearance, and an extensive ground search was organized, but neither Noreen nor her remains were ever located. In 2003, the Durham Regional Police Homicide Unit revisited the disappearance of Noreen, and local media highlighted how her disappearance was a mystery. No information or Crimestoppers Tips were received by the investigators. Today, the Noreen Greenley Missing Person File remains open and unresolved for her family.

Contact Information:
If you have any information regarding this missing person please contact the Durham Regional Police Homicide Unit at (toll free) 1-888-579-1520 Ext #5400, or Crimestoppers at 905-436-TIPS or 1-800-222-TIPS.

 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Shwa on January 06, 2010, 12:38:20 PM
A posting from Noreen's niece from this site:

http://www.tvtalkshows.com/board/showthread.php?t=129379

From Kelly Greenley:
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It was Saturday September 14th 1963, that the Bowmanville teen vanished and despite the efforts of police and the community, Noreen Greenley was never found. The members of my family have refused to give up their search for answers about Noreen. Bonnie Wilkins was Noreens best friend and was the last one to see the 13 year old Noreen. Bonnie recalls that night. "We were at the Liberty Bowl on Baseline Rd in Bowmanville that night with my new boyfriend Gary Woolner. Noreen and I bowled for a while and then we walked through town. We stopped at a restaurant and then went over to my house on Hwy #2.
My parents were out for the evening. I wanted to spend some time with my boyfriend" Around 11 pm. Noreen walked the 20 minutes or so over to the North side of Hwy 2. She stood under the streetlight waiting for the Burley Bus. After about 10 minutes she returned to the Wilkins house complaining that is was cold and that the bus had not arrived. Bonnie offered her a coat but Noreen refused it and went back outside to wait for the bus which went down Hwy #2 every hour or so. That was the last time Bonnie saw her friend. At 3 am Noreens father Harvey reported his daughter missing to the Bowmanville Police. The bus driver Ivan Bulmer was interviewed and he confirmed that he did not pick anyone up at the intersection when the bus passed through shortly after 11:30 pm. As the days passed a number of large search parties were organized. On September 17th almost 400 people took part in the search. Neighbours, friends, family and even the entire sift from the Goodyear Plant in Bowmanville participated, helping to search the entire area north of Hwy 401 to the Third Concession of Darlington, including the entire town of Bowmanville and the area between Martin Road and Maple Grove Road. Noreen Greenley has vanished into thin air. Noreen was born May 16 1950 she was a very neat girl who had great interest in learning. She loved to cook, bake, and sew. She loved children and was very easy going. She liked swimming, ice skating, baseball, and she liked to sing. Mark Greenley one of Noreens four brothers, said his sisters disappearance had a effect on the whole family. " We are all victims, one way or another. Its not even about arresting any anymore. If we could give the guy amnesty, we would. We just want to find where she is and properly put her to rest." Noreen Anne Greenley is my Aunt and I hope this letter catches your attention! This is a complete mystery to me! My family has struggled with this mystery for over 45 years. Please Montel! and Silvia! can you help put this mystery to rest!

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Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Shwa on January 06, 2010, 12:50:13 PM
Story from the newsdurhamregion.com site from June 4th, 2005:

http://newsdurhamregion.com/article/32284

'Mom, I'll never stop searching for Noreen'
Bowmanville girl disappeared more than 40 years ago
Jun 04, 2005 - 12:00 AM

By Myno Van Dyke

BOWMANVILLE - Joyce Greenley remembers the day her older sister Noreen disappeared.

"I was 10 at the time. I remember getting on a bus and then going to look for Noreen with the other people. We walked through the woods, people brought us food. They were very good to us," she said.

It was Saturday, Sept. 14, 1963, that the Bowmanville teen vanished and, despite the efforts of police and the community, Noreen Greenley was never found. Members of her family, though, have refused to give up their search for answers.

"Mom would always set a place at the dinner table for Noreen. Every year we would celebrate Noreen's birthday. I promised my mom on her death bed in 1992, 'Mom, I'll never ever stop searching for Noreen.'"

Bonnie Wilkins, whose family had once owned a farm neighbouring the Greenleys' on Waverley Road just south of King Street was Noreen's best friend, and the last person to see the 13-year-old on the night she disappeared.

"We were at the Liberty Bowl on Baseline Road in Bowmanville that night," Bonnie Wilkins recalled. "My new boyfriend, Gary Woolner (now her husband), Noreen and I bowled for a while and then we walked through town. We stopped at a restaurant and then went over to my house at Hwy. 2 and Waverley. My parents were out for the evening. I wanted Noreen to go home so I could spend some time with my boyfriend."

Around 11 p.m., Noreen walked the 20 metres or so over to the north side of Hwy. 2. She stood under the streetlight, waiting for the Burley bus. After about 10 minutes, she returned to the Wilkins house complaining that it was cold and that the bus had not arrived. Bonnie offered her a coat but Noreen refused it and went back outside to wait for the bus, which went down Hwy. 2 every hour or so. That was the last time Bonnie saw her best friend.

"She was just a little girl," Bonnie added. "She was not into boys, she was more into baseball. She might have hitch-hiked, because we had hitch-hiked together once. She would never run away. She loved her little brothers and sisters. She was a mother to them and looked after all their needs."

At 3 a.m., Noreen's father, Harvey, reported his daughter missing to the Bowmanville Police Department. Constables John Bird and Les Ricard took the report. The bus driver, Ivan Bulmer, was interviewed and he confirmed that he did not pick anyone up at the intersection when the bus passed through shortly after 11:30 p.m.

As the days passed, a number of large search parties were organized to try to find the missing teen. On Sept. 17, almost 400 people took part in the search. Many were from Mr. Greenley's place of work, Duplate of Canada in Oshawa. Duplate sent its own large trucks over to Bowmanville to transport the volunteers. Neighbours, friends, family and even an entire shift from the Goodyear Plant in Bowmanville participated, helping to search the entire area north of Hwy. 401 to the Third Concession of Darlington, including the entire Town of Bowmanville and the area between Martin Road and Maple Grove. Bowmanville Police sent out a Missing Person poster with a reward of $1,000 for information. Nothing. Noreen Anne Greenley had vanished into thin air.

Noreen was born May 16, 1950. The original Missing Person Report indicates she was a very neat girl who had a great interest in learning. She loved to cook, bake and sew. She loved children and was very easy-going. She liked swimming, ice-skating and baseball. She liked to sing and her favourite songs were "Puff the Magic Dragon" and "Lemon Tree."

Mark Greenley, one of Noreen's four brothers, said his sister's disappearance had a devastating effect on the whole family.

".... We are all victims, one way or another. It's not even about arresting anyone anymore. If we could give the guy amnesty, we would. We just want to find where she is and properly put her to rest."

The officer who is now assigned to the case is Durham Regional Police Detective Chuck Nash, who was himself raised in Bowmanville.

"I remember this case when I was growing up. My Dad would tell me about it every time we drove by the intersection of Waverley and Hwy. 2," he said.

The small file folder that once contained evidence related to Noreen's case has now grown to two banker's boxes full of documents.

"These boxes are not in a basement collecting dust," Det. Nash said. "They are at my feet, under my desk, and every time I get an opportunity, I go through it."

Anyone with any information pertaining to the disappearance of Noreen Anne Greenley, can contact Det. Nash at 905-579-1520 ext. 5402 or call Durham Region Crime Stoppers at 905-436-8477.

Myno Van Dyke is a retired Durham Regional Police officer, who spent some of his policing career working in Bowmanville.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Chris on January 06, 2010, 11:24:39 PM
Things must be different now. Highway 2 and waverly do not appear to intersect and it looks like a train track also would be at the junction.

There is a 95% chance one of those 3 names in the article is the killer based on stats. But being this was 1963, I am sure highway 2 and those train tracks were very busy and it is probable she met foul play with a complete stranger. Those young people did not drive in all likelyhood and the bus driver either had other passengers or he would have had a reason to make the police focus on him more... which it appears they did not.

was highway 416 even built then? If not, highway 2 must have been really really busy.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Shwa on January 07, 2010, 06:46:04 AM
Things were much different back in those days.  Most of Hwy #2 is fairly new in that section, although Waverly does intersect with 'Old Highway No. 2" on the Google map.  The housing developments south on Waverly are all within the past 30-40 years I think so it would have been open farmland.  In 1963 Bowmanville would have been a small rural town.  I think the 401 was in between Oshawa and Bowmanville by 1963, but that is a wee bit before my time.

What I would like to know is what was her destination and how far away was it from that area?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: shwatoo on January 29, 2010, 04:09:22 PM
Hi shwa. 
  Although i was a young teen at the time i do remember her disappearence. Alot of the public were asked to help in the search and my father and his friend went out to help.
If you want , i know of someone that knew her way back then and mentioned to me a few details that im not sure was made public about her destenations that night. That was a few yrs. ago when i spoke to him
but i could try and find him .
 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: old.geezer on August 13, 2010, 12:56:54 PM
I vaguely recall this case being reopened a few years ago. I knew none of the details though. I was talking to my sister-in-law, who considers herself to be "somewhat psychic" as the girl on Frasier put it. She's not a fortune teller or anything like that, but she does do "readings" for people and helps them with answers. She told me of a recent call from a customer that wanted to discuss this case. My sister-in-law then proceeded to rattle off details, even though she had never heard of the case. She correctly "guessed" the friends name (Connie or Bonnie), the facts about bowling and that the friend wanted to spend time alone with her boyfriend, the two trips to the bus stop, and she had pictures in her mind of two small towns that now comprise one large town. She spoke of railroad tracks that probably separated the towns, and the bus driver's claim that nobody got on at that stop. She claims the driver is mistaken. She also claims Noreen's remains are located somewhere along the tracks, near two trees that are of different species, but appear to be growing from the same spot. She is buried deep.

My sister-in-law is not a crackpot. She scares me sometimes with the things she predicts, or tells us about others.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on August 13, 2010, 06:57:53 PM
I don't know if you are familiar with the area or not, but I google mapped it to check it out, and it is interesting that it is an area such as your sister-in-law describes. 
If Noreen left her friend's house at Waverly Rd and Hwy #2...there is an 'Old Hwy 2'  and King St. which is also Hwy #2 or The King's Hwy.....(believe it or not)...anyways Waverly ends at Old Hwy 2, so it is presumed that Noreen would have to walk up to King St. (King's Hwy)  to catch the bus.  Waverly ends in a residential area.
But, there is railroad tracks that are just north of Old Hwy 2 and they run under King St (King's Hwy)....in other words, very close to that neighbourhood. (Just north of it) 
I am not too sure which towns down that way combined, when Ontario made it mandatory for towns to almalgamate, but Bowmanville and Clarington come to mind.  I believe they almalgamated....does anyone else know that for sure??
Back in those days it would have been a much quieter area than it is today....Many people live there, and commute to work, nowadays.
It would have been way more desolate back then. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: old.geezer on August 15, 2010, 07:36:42 PM
Thanks for the information. I followed your lead and checked the area on Google maps. I have friends in Courtice, which appears to be about 5 miles from there. Maybe it's time I visited them. I'll be seeing my sister-in-law at the end of August. She's in the Haliburton area, so we don't get together too often. One other thing I forgot she mentioned, and I've seen nothing about this on the internet sites I've visited. She said there was a trailer park in the area, and investigators should have concentrated on (I think I got this right) a white trailer with a green stripe (or maybe gold stripe - I don't call myself old geezer for nothing). She also described what Noreen looked like. I'll probably take a photo with me to see how close her "vision" is.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on November 20, 2010, 06:33:32 PM
My sister just come across this site.  Noreen was my Aunt and i wrote the letter on here, i didn't realize it was moved to this site and people were replying to it.  I would really appreciate some more information if you have any more info with the sister in-law (old.geezer).  My family would love some closer,the information you wrote is the most we have ever received.  My sister and i actually scouted out the area a little bit.  My family has been through alot in their lives.  My father Harvey passed away in 2004 at the age of 54 and i myself am facing Breast Cancer and realize how precious life is and want to have closer for my family with finding Noreen while i am still alive.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Concerned on November 20, 2010, 07:12:28 PM
Welcome to the site, Greenley Family.  I am very sorry to hear about your breast cancer. I hope with all the medical advances, you will soon return to a healthy state.  I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

May I suggest, that you can go to the top of your screen under "My Messages" and send old.geezer a message to old.geezer. When people sign into the site they usually post an email. There is a chance by you sending your message, if old.geezer's email is still active, they will receive the message and may be aware to sign back onto this site to reply to your request.   

I wish you much luck.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Woodland on November 20, 2010, 07:57:34 PM
If it's alright, I have many questions as none of what I read adds up or makes sense to me.

If Noreen was 13, how old was her friend Bonnie Wilkins, who wanted to spend time with the new boyfriend Gary Woolner after 11:00 pm at her parents house?  In 1963.
If Bonnie's parents were still out for the evening, what time did Bonnie think they were coming home?
What time did LE determine Bonnie's parents actually arrived home that night?  Was Gary still there?
Bonnie wasn't worried mom and dad would arrive home to find GW there late at night?

Noreen left at 11:00 pm to catch a bus and returned after 10 minutes complaining it was cold, but refused the offer of a coat?  Knowing her friend Bonnie was looking forward to some alone time with Gary?
If Noreen was waiting for the bus at 11:00 pm and it passed by at 11:30 pm, then Noreen didn't know what time the bus would pass by when she went out.  Why come back then after ten minutes and risk missing it?  A 13 year-old in 1963 was a heck of alot smarter then 13 year-olds in the last 15 + years.

When did Bonnie and Gary get married?

Wonder what happened to old.geezer?

Based on what I've read here so far, I don't think Noreen was at Bonnie's house that night at 11:00 pm.  Jmo.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Woodland on November 21, 2010, 03:11:38 PM
I looked up some media reports today on Noreen from 1963.  I must say Noreen's parents organized some impressive searches at the time - it was not Durham Police that did this.

Since I am unable to copy from the archives I am reading, I will post highlights and dates.

Noreen first appeared in the Toronto Star as a missing person on 16 September 1963 Page 28 - 2 days following her disappearance.

18 Sept '63 Page 40 - 70 factory workers that worked with Noreen's father and 2 planes (1 piloted by Noreen's uncle) searched for her.  Noreen's mother is quoted that she left 2 doors open that night and that Noreen had never disappeared before.

19 Sept '63 Page 22 - 400 volunteers and 2 planes searched for Noreen.  Her mother gave a heartfelt plea for her daughter's return.

20 Sept '63 Page 1 - 3,000 searchers expected for the following day that had a military precision to it.  This is the first time Noreen was out bowling with a girl friend appears.  No mention of the friends boyfriend.

23 Sept '63 Page 20 -  1,000 searchers showed up and 25 miles were covered with the help of 5 planes and a helicopter.  2 bloodhounds 'followed a trail' from the scent of a shoe from the bus stop to the edge of Highway 2, nine days after the fact.

24 Sept '63 Page 46 - search drops off, but is continued by her father and a few friends.

Noreen does not turn up in an article for 10 years after that.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on November 22, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
Thanks for that information, i didn't know about those reports.  its too bad though that they waited so long to do the searches because it was days after which gave great opportunity for the persons involved to get rid of her and evidence.  I have found that the police have not been helpful at all in this case it has been the community and the family doing all the work and we have limited resources but i am going all out with this and i am going to be researching the information i have received on this site..like the trailer park, the railroad, highway #2, and the people questioned by the police and i won't give up
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Woodland on November 22, 2010, 11:16:30 AM
I wish your family all the best in your quest.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on November 22, 2010, 11:55:57 AM
G family, I echo Woodlands comment.

It's gotta be bad when you find more info on a discussion forum than from the POLICE who are right there and supposed to serve the people. Godspeed in your searching and answers.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: BCID on December 12, 2010, 07:05:00 PM
From June 4, 1964:

Noreen Anne Greenley (some papers spelld Oreenley), 14, went missing from Oshawa, Ontario in September 1963.

The most recent news report as of the above date said a girl who knew Noreen from their ice-skating days together, said she spoke to Noreen in the Mount Royal section of Calgary, Alberta during November, 1963. Noreen told the girl she was living in an apartment on Carlton Street.

Two Ontario police officers conducted a door-to-door search of Carlton Street. And with the help of Calgary police, all domestic, employment and welfare agencies were checked under her name with no results.

Note: I can find no news past 1964, can anyone shed light if this girl was found?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Woodland on December 12, 2010, 07:48:57 PM
There is a thread for Noreen Greenley under Ontario --> Other Locations.  She has never been found and remaining family members have started a renewed search for her.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: BCID on December 12, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
aahh thank you. I had no clue this case was here. A search of my available archives only reveals one article on the case.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on December 12, 2010, 08:40:12 PM

BCID, if you do a search with the search function at the top of the page, it will search this site for any information that is posted here. I use it all the time and find it very helpful.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 01, 2011, 07:03:48 PM
Thank you for the posts...please keep them coming.  This is another New Year of way too many years already, but i feel good about this year.  I am constantly seeing number 1's in my day to day life so the year 2011 is very significant to me.  I will not give up on this for Noreen and my family, so if you have any information on this case whether you think it is significant or not please post it, don't let her life be a file full of paper work in a box somewhere!  I will keep in touch with any information i receive on Noreens case.

Kelly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 02, 2011, 10:58:09 AM
I want to keep posting so Noreens name is at the top of the page for missing people.  Trying everything!!!  (I won't give up if you don't give up)  Calling all Angels by Train!  My Dads song when he passed!

Kelly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: solvy on January 02, 2011, 01:26:13 PM
Welcome Greenley family!  There is not much to go on in this case, but Woodland did bring up an interesting scenario. 
Perhaps police should go back to the night and reinterview the friend and her boyfriend.  Something just seems a bit off to me aswell.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Powl44 on January 02, 2011, 10:06:12 PM
Hi Greenley Family - I too wish you all the best in your search for closure. I'm just curious as to what resources are available to you in 2011.  Are there many family and/or friends that you can talk to who lived through this awful event in 1963? Are you able to talk with and ask questions of Bonnie and Gary? Are there any neighbours or townfolk that you can draw information from?

Woodland asks some very good questions on page 1 of this thread. Do you think you will be able to find some answers to those questions with the resources you have? My question would be: ...what was Noreen's mood that night? Could she have felt a little jilted? Just a few things to ponder.

Keep posting and keep the faith!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 11, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Yes i hope they will re-interview the people who were involved at the time she went missing.  I know for a fact that her friend that was with her at the time she went missing Bonnie Wilkins passed away almost 2 years ago but her husband at the time who was also with Noreen when she went missing is still alive (Gary Woolner)  Another interesting fact is that Gary Woolner's son in 1995 was arrested and sent to prison for kidnapping and assaulting a 4 year old Bowmanville girl on Duke Street in Bowmanville.  Makes you wonder like father like son or what.  Please once again any information you have or comment is so appreciated, it can make the difference, just keep talking word of mouth is the best way to keep the ball rolling.  I haven't given up either i am looking up other resources for help.

Thank you so much
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Woodland on January 11, 2011, 10:19:33 AM
A son would eventually come to know his father's history - being one of the last people to see Noreen would come up from time to time.

I wonder what the son experienced or was exposed to while growing up.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 11, 2011, 10:29:29 AM
Okay....It makes sense that the young couple wanted to be alone...so Noreen took off to catch the bus.   What doesn't make sense is that Noreen was so cold and returned to the house BUT refused a coat, and left again anyways.

I really cannot buy that story.  Why would she walk all that distance to the bus stop and back and refuse a coat? 

I checked out Gary Woolner's son, Coulson..He  attacked a 4yr old in Bowmanville back in 1996....took her from her home and assaulted her in a shed.....when he was 21....then spent several years in jail....   Not good at all.
I see one of their other sons is deceased...wonder what happened?

Noreen's disappearance is not the only unsolved from that general area.....hmmmm
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 11, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
Well trying to put myself in Noreens shoes i think when she returned to Bonnie's house i think maybe it wasn't about the coat she probably just wanted to stay there and she was upset when her friend just offered her a coat so she left.  I so think if it happened that my best friend just offered me a coat instead of staying in with them i would of left too.  It was very late at night too and she was apparently by herself.  There are so many unanswered question about that night and i don't know if they were asked by the police at that time or not.  like when did her parents come home and when did Gary leave can't imagine he stayed once her parents were back.  Where did he live at the time, we know where Bonnie lived.  Just so many questions, but this is great keep talking and also i didn't know there was other unsolved cases in the area.  Like to hear more about that
Thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on January 11, 2011, 05:56:37 PM
There is a discrepancy that is important to clarify.  Was the bus stop 20 metres or 20 minutes from the Wilkin's farm?

Kelly Greenley posted a thread stating 20 minutes (TVTALKSHOWS and Websleuths) and the Durham Region news article stated 20 metres.
If it was a 20 minutes walk, then it would be reasonable that Noreen missed the 11:30 pm bus.

I am also puzzled about Noreen's ice-skating friend who said she actually spoke to her in Calgary, two months after her disappearance.  I know "sightings" can be unreliable, but to have a conversation is rare.  Was this girl deemed to be totally uncredible?

If he hasn't already done so, I think it is time for Gary Woolner to take a lie detector test.

Good luck to the Greenleys in finding some answers to many questions and I hope they are productive.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 11, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
There is several unsolved cases, but none not in the '60's, and none involving young girls.   
I agree with Have faith...I think Gary Woolner deserves a visit by some detectives.    He has not really left the area, from what I can gather, so I will venture to say he lived in Bowmanville when he was young.   Sounds like you didn't get much info from the cops on Noreen's disappearance.   A long time has passed, Bonnie has passed, time to talk to Gary.
What did their son, Charles die of, and when?   What happened to Coulter after he did his time?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 12, 2011, 08:26:47 PM
I meant to mention that there is a website called the Doe Network...that has many unsolved/missing people.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Angela Ellis on January 13, 2011, 05:31:36 PM
www.doenetwork.org (http://www.doenetwork.org)

:)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 13, 2011, 07:04:09 PM
Thanks Angela..;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 13, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Thanks i found the Doe Network and found Noreens case file in there but it was pretty basic just stated her birthday, when she went missing and where thats it.  Some cases actually had the enhancement photos of what they would possible look like today, but Noreens case file didn't have that.  I don't think the Network would be much help it was pretty basic.  Thank you though please keep the ideas coming.  Thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 14, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
I am sending letters out to people of higher power and resources to help in solving this cold case of Noreen's.  I figure if i am persistent enough something will prevail, got my fingers and toes crossed.  I won't give up, just too darn stubborn and i have nothing to lose but only to gain!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 14, 2011, 05:03:02 PM
If Bonnie's boyfriend had a car, and when he left, he may have picked Noreen up still standing at the bus stop and offered to give her a ride home.
Best of luck to you, and my prayers are with you as I am sure all of the posters on this site feel the same. Keep us informed as to how your quest to find Noreen's killer is taking shape.
Peace
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 14, 2011, 05:32:39 PM
Yes.  That would be a very interesting fact to know.  What time Bonnie's boyfriend left, and how he got home.  And where home was. 
It does say back on page 1, that Noreen, Bonnie and Gary walked through town to Bonnie's house, after bowling. 
And that it was a 20 minute walk for Noreen to get to the bus, which only ran every hour or so....
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 14, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
If they walked through town, then perhaps Gary did not have a car. I wonder how old Gary was at the time?  Then it is quite possible that an older person picked her up at the bus stop with an offer to drive Noreen home - but didn't.

I wonder why Noreen did not call her Dad and have him pick her up? Was it because she was running late, and did not want to get further into heck by calling him? Is that possible?
I believe that Noreen returned to Bonnie's home hoping she could stay in where it was warm, and refused the coat because she got the hint that she was to leave, and was too embarrassed to take it.
Felt unwelcome under the circumstances and left, and perhaps that is why she did not call her father.

Was there an adult social activity going on in town at the time? Was there any event going on that would bring strangers into town? ie:  Agriculture show, or what not?

Peace
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 14, 2011, 08:15:33 PM
I Hate to be so blunt but:
 In my eyes it is either GW or a stranger (like jellybean described).maybe a local stranger, one Noreen had seen around, maybe even at the bowling alley earlier that night.
..The best time for the police to visit GW would have been around the time his wife (Noreen's friend) passed away.
My opinion only.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 14, 2011, 08:41:51 PM
You bring up some interesting views (jellybean) they have also passed through my thoughts as well.  Thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 15, 2011, 05:50:32 PM
To the Greenley Family:   Do you, by chance, know how old Bonnie's boyfriend was at the time of Noreen's disappearance?  Was he the same age as the girls or, was he older?   Did he go to the same school?  Or did he work?   Do you know anything about him that could shed some light on the last 2 people to see Noreen?  Was Bonnie, Noreen's best friend?  Did she keep in contact?     Thanks...
                             
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 15, 2011, 09:45:52 PM
Bonnie was i think about 2 years older than Noreen,she was Noreen's good friend but i don't think and i am pretty sure she didn't keep in contact with the family after Noreens disappearance at all.  Gary was older than Bonnie by also 1 year or 2, possibly around 17.  I don't know if he went to school with the girls or not or if he worked.  I am going to see what i can find out more on that
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 15, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
Well i sent messages to old.geezer but have gotten no replies.  Don't know what happened because the information that was discussed in the post was very interesting!!! HMMMM
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 16, 2011, 08:32:44 AM
It looks to me like Old geezer only came on and commented on this thread....and has not been on before or since. 
It would be nice to know if he/she ever found out more.
Does the trailer park ring a bell with you?
 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sbc on January 16, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
Hi- its great to see so many entries on this case-  Back in 2005, I was doing some freelance writing and wrote the story for Clarington This Week on Noreen.  My family had a connection with the Greenley family through Noreen's uncle Ward, who worked part time for my father.   I remember that day in 1963 when Ward didn't come to work as he was out looking for Noreen.   10 years later I found myself working as a police officer in Bowmanville reading the files on her case.    I spoke to many people over the years regarding the case and the common theory was that she was abducted by someone she knew.   The last people to see her were Bonnie Wilkins and Gary Woolner.   As mentioned here, they eventually got married.   In 2005 I had a lengthy phone conversation with Bonnie about the case.   She was friendly and helpful and  I certainly didn't end up with the opinion that she knew anything more that what was reported initially.    Bonnie died in Nov. 2009- she was 60 years old- which means she was about 14 when Noreen disappeared.  Not sure of Gary Woolner's age but I recall he was a bit older, maybe 15?.   If you have information please contact Det. Chuck Nash, of the Durham Homicide Unit has the file-905-579-1520-  or call Crimestoppers.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 16, 2011, 11:40:51 AM
The Trailer Park might ring a bell with me but once again can't be sure,  My thought is  that it could be Thistle Valley Park on the Third/fourth Concession in Bowmanville.  This park has been there for a long time and people lived there all year round,  it was a residential park.  I have heard that the residents that lived there were a pretty rough crowd.  I heard that alot of Transport truck drivers stayed there.  The Park was sold a couple of years ago and all the trailers were removed and it lays vacant now.  The Rail road tracks run almost right through that property.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 16, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
Thanks sbc for the information its really appreciated and i am so glad there have been replies to this site too.  Trying really hard and like i said  before i won't give up!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 16, 2011, 12:54:28 PM
You need someone from that town to step forward.  It may be a person who overheard a conversation as a youngster.  To my mind, it is quite possible and highly probable that  Noreen was picked up on the highway by someone in a car or truck. Someone who perhaps knew her Dad.  - or as someone suggested, someone who saw her at the bowling alley.  I think it was an adult.  Searches were made within the surrounding area and Noreen was not found.  So, I think that this person drove her to a remote area, way outside of town.
This is such a common scenario, repeated time and time again.
Also, who lived along or had to take that highway to get home and was  also well-known as a hard drinker.  This too  was common during that time period. What were the town rumours - re little girl molesters going on at the time, or after Noreen's disappearance?
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 17, 2011, 05:52:53 AM
Yes...Jellybean it wouldn't be too hard to get to a remote area outside of Bowmanville in 1963.   In fact, Bowmanville was fairly remote, correct Greenley Family?   Like I said earlier, it has been built up a fair bit in the 40 + years that have passed.   It is odd that no one has come across any clues with all this urban sprawl.  Or....are the clues/remains still on the perp's property?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 17, 2011, 08:00:51 AM
Yes Bowmanville was pretty remote and although they have expanded pretty far in development. they are just on the border line of the development by the third concession and that is where old.geezer had suggested that Noreen could possible be by the tracks and the trailer park. I wonder if they ever questioned her skating coach because the other girl had stated and reported that she was talking to Noreen after her disappearance and that Noreen had stated she was living in an apartment in Alberta on Carlton Street because this girl said she skated with Noreen.  If she skated with Noreen where was she talking to her from because she couldn't have been talking to her in Alberta because what would that girl be doing in Alberta so it must have been by phone and how would a 13 year old manage to pay for and obtain an apartment. strange story!  I would like to know how i would find out who ever resided in Thistle Valley Trailer Park at that time in 1963 if indeed this is the trailer park that old.geezer is talking about?  Anybody know?  I found out that Gary woolner went to Bowmanville High School at the time.  I think the girls went to school together and i believe it was either Ontario Street School or Central Public School, trying to find out for sure.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 17, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
To The Greenley Family:  I want to express my admiration to you , with your determination  and tenacity that you have in finding the killer of Noreen. Keep it up, and I believe that at this late date, you are making headway. Don't you? I think that you will eventually narrow it down; and perhaps your question regarding Noreen being in Calgary may be sorted out.  I hope as I gather that it is bothering you. Perhaps other posters may have some suggestions regarding this.
I am writing this post with the best of intentions and from the experience of others who have lost their loved ones, and who's remains are still missing,  I will take a a deep breath, and pass this on to you.
Some families, have gone to a funeral home,  (they will do it for you without remains), and  they  set up a gravestone, and have given name, birthdate, and  the end  date, as the last date that they were seen, along with a personal inscription for their loved one.  The family now has a special place to go on their birthdates, and all important dates that mean something to their family.  In the meantime, these families are still awaiting or searching.  In the event that the remains of their loved is found, even long after relatives have passed, they will have a marker in their name.
Please, don't think that I am dragging you down.  By doing this, it is not admitting defeat, you will still make headway in your search for her killer,  and yet you will still have a "place to go to" to mark her existence.

With highest Regards
JB

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 18, 2011, 08:00:38 AM
Thank you jellybean, i realize others have done that and i know your intentions were the best.  I don't think that would work in my family's case or in my case for a number of reasons.  It still wouldn't be closure for us without her actual remains or some part of her.  My family won't  be at peace and be to able to get on in that sector of their lives until we find Noreen someway somehow.  My family has never stopped thinking about Noreen so i don't believe we need a service or monument to go to, to share our thoughts and memories of her, they are constantly with us everyday. it would feel like quitting or settling and i don't want to settle anymore after going through Breast Cancer.  I do realize you suggested that with great intentions and i thank you for that.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 18, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
I thought that is whet you would say. Every family makes their own personal decision.  You are doing what is right for you.  Tell us more about the Calgary scenario.
That may be a clue. Although, I feel that it was  busy body youngster, trying to help and made that story up.  You never know
Like you, I cannot see a 13 year old living in Calgary, making a phone call to a friend, without contacting her family first. Does not make any sense. You are continuing with clues that make possible sense - good for you.

PEACE
JG
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 18, 2011, 04:11:07 PM
Thats all i know about Calgary and the girl that skated with Noreen.  Someone else brought it to my attention, but i know that they said they searched that area in Calgary and turned up nothing, so it could have been a made up story by the girl.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 19, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me and my family,  i think i might be getting some help with this case from someone with some power, not for certain yet, but its looking good!!!!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 19, 2011, 08:26:39 AM
Wonderful news......I hope that you do get some answers....I am rooting for you....;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 22, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
Please keep responding to this case if you have any information or thoughts that would help,  i realize i said imay have got some help with this case but nothing has been verified yet, trying very hard.   Everything is very much appreciated by the family
Thank you
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 23, 2011, 11:29:21 AM
I am always deeply saddened when promises of help from authorities does not come through as promised. It happens quite often. However, in your case perhaps it will eventually come through.  I pray for your family that it does. With families having young children missing and after years of no resolve, very often a sibling will pick up the cause.
There is hope though, at times however faint.  Confessions can come many years later.  So continue to keep the faith.
Have you returned to Noreen's town?  Have you been able to rouse interest there.  I noted that someone in the police dept has taken an interest and  are trying to assist.
There is hope: Plse read Candice Derksen's thread.
The town's newspaper should be able to run an article for you, or the County's. 
Have you considered placing an Ad in the newspaper?  Or in an online newspaper (This will cover many under Canoe) Anyone with knowledge of the disappearance of etc., etc.? Get a P.O Box No. - or some electronic way that they can communicate. I would not advise giving your e-mail address.
You never know.....there may be someone out there who has knowledge, and the ad may give them an opportunity to communicate.  Many people are afraid to call crime stoppers - for whatever reason.

Peace to you and your little family.
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 24, 2011, 02:19:06 PM
Thank you, for more ideas, i think i will try to write a letter for the local paper, it certainly can't hurt!  Maybe your right its been so many years that someone may want to speak their mines and open up on this cold case.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 24, 2011, 02:56:50 PM
An open letter of appeal would be lovely.  Hopefully, you will get a response.
Keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 24, 2011, 06:14:38 PM
I also think if you contact one of the reporters from the local paper, it is a great idea.   Clarington This Week is the local paper, I believe.   I see, that on the www, there is several websites such as durham region.com.   You might want to check into one or two of those as well.   Bowmanville, I believe, amalgamated with Clarington, and they are in Durham Region.     
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 29, 2011, 08:55:05 PM
Keep your eyes open for a letter i am writing in the local papers of Bowmanville (Clarington) area.  Will be appearing very shortly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on January 29, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Keep your eyes open for a letter i am writing in the local papers of Bowmanville (Clarington) area.  Will be appearing very shortly

We will say a prayer that you have a helpful response. And yes, we will keep checking the local newspaper.
Here's hoping (fingers and toes crossed)

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on January 30, 2011, 08:01:18 AM
Way to go!   I am still sniffing around, just nothing new to post, at this point.    I am so glad you are trying to get the word out.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 02, 2011, 06:30:32 PM
The letter is in progress now and  i will let you know when it appears in the local papers.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 04, 2011, 03:44:59 AM
Great.   Most of us should be able to get it online.  Will it be Clarington This Week?   
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 04, 2011, 09:20:14 AM
Yes it will be in the Clarington this week and the Oshawa this week papers.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 04, 2011, 10:14:57 AM
Our missing are searching for a voice,
we have to be their voices,
Someone to speak their minds,
tell their stories,
Paint their portraits,
They must be heard,
See them,
Feel them,
Never forget them!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 04, 2011, 10:24:08 AM
Absence does not make the heart grow fonder,
Absence makes the heart forget,
Absence makes the heart search,
Absence makes the heart yearn for that which it needs.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 06, 2011, 09:50:40 AM
Would really appreciate your response old.geezer, hopefully you are still around to help with this case.  My family would really appreciate it!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 09, 2011, 10:27:55 AM
'She was here' says niece seeking answers
Feb 09, 2011 - 04:30 AM

JEFF MITCHELL

BOWMANVILLE -- People still ask Kelly Greenley if she's from the family of the little girl who vanished all those years ago.

"As soon as I mention my name people say, 'Are you related to the girl who went missing?'" Ms. Greenley said. "It's just always been in our family."

Noreen Greenley was 13 when she parted ways with friends in Bowmanville on the night of Sept. 14, 1963, and was never seen again. Intensive searches at the time of the girl's disappearance and attempts over the years to rekindle local interest in the enduring mystery have yielded no trace of Noreen, and no solid theories as to what happened to her.

Although Ms. Greenley, 43, never met her father's sister, she is committed to solving a mystery she said caused lasting heartache for Noreen's parents and siblings, four brothers and two sisters.

"This kind of broke up the family," said Ms. Greenley, who now lives in Marmora. "I can't imagine how I would feel, having a missing child; I panic when my kids get sick.

"We've always said we'd like to get to the bottom of this."

Massive searches were launched in and around Bowmanville after Noreen disappeared. None yielded any trace of her.

After a night of bowling with a couple of friends, the Grade 7 student went on her own to catch a bus home to the community of Maple Grove at about 11 p.m.

But she never boarded the bus. No trace of her was ever found.

Months after she went missing there was a report Noreen had been seen in Calgary. Her parents flew to Alberta, hopeful the lead was legitimate, but the trail led nowhere. Noreen became the child who simply vanished without a trace.

The story has been revisited from time to time over the years, including in 2003, when homicide investigators issued an appeal for information. But no calls came. Durham police consider the case an active file.

Noreen's disappearance is the subject of much discussion and speculation on an online website dedicated to missing person files, but the chatter amounts to just that. No contributor has claimed to have an explanation for what happened to the girl.

Ms. Greenley is convinced Noreen was the victim of a crime and that someone knows what happened that night. She recalls a phone call her mother received a couple of years ago: A man mentioned Noreen, stammered that he had something to get off his chest -- and then abruptly hung up.

Ms. Greenley's dad died six years ago. She is enduring her second bout of cancer and is hopeful that this time, her appeal will lead to someone coming forward with the truth about what happened that night in small-town Bowmanville.

The family's not so much interested in retribution as they are in learning what happened to Noreen.

"She was a person -- she was a little girl. She was here," Ms. Greenley said. "We want to find her."

Call the Durham police homicide department at 905-579-1520, extension 5400 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

http://newsdurhamregion.com/news/crime/article/171201 (http://newsdurhamregion.com/news/crime/article/171201)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 09, 2011, 10:36:59 AM

I've posted Noreen's picture below.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 09, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
Thanks for posting that DebbieC, although its not exactly what i expected when i went to Jim Mitchell, i wanted to place my letter in the paper that i wrote in my own words.  He was supposed to have told me when it came out in the paper.  Well i guess i should be grateful for any help.  So here is the letter that i wanted to appear in the paper.

On September 14,1963 Noreen Anne Greenley went missing from Bowmanville Ontario.  Its been over 48 years and the members of my family refuse to give up our search for answers to what happened to Noreen.  Noreen is a victum of a crime, a victum without a voice.  In this article i am giving Noreen a voice to tell her story.  Hi my name is Noreen Anne Greenley i was born on May 16, 1950, i am a 13 year old grade 7 student, i am told i am a very easy going type of girl who cares deeply for children.  I enjoy cooking, baking, and sewing and i am involved in several activities such as baseball, swimming, ice skating and singing.  My favorite songs to sing are Puff The Magic Dragon and the Lemon Tree Song.  I live in Maple Grove, Ontario, just west of Bowmanville, Ontario.  I live here with my parents Harvey and Nadeen Greenley, my four brothers Gary, Harvey, Rodney and Mark, and my two sisters Joyce and Shelley.  On September 14, 1963 i was out with my best friend and her boyfriend we started off bowling after bowling we walked downtown to the restaurant and then proceeded to my girlfriends house, once at her house she stated she wanted to spend some time alone with her boyfriend so i took the hint and walked the couple of blocks to the bus stop to take it home.  I returned back to my girlfriends house after about 20 minutes and complained that i was cold, so my friend offered me a coat but by the time she returned with it i had left again and walked back to the bus stop, this is where my story ends on September 14,1963 in the town of Bowmanville, Ontario around 11:30 pm i went missing and reportedly did not board the bus.  In the following days police investigated and there were a couple of ground searches by the community of Bowmanville supported by family and friends but nothing turned up.  Please help find out what happened to me, my life mattered, i am just a little girl, i could have been your daughter or sister, help put me to rest!  Noreen is a victum but my family are also victums of this crime.  The pain of having a missing child is unbearable.  Help heal the scars this has put on my family and give us some closure on this part of our lives.  If you have any information about this case, whether you think it is significant or not, it just might be!  You can post on this site or call Durham Regional Police at 905-579-1520 ex 5400 or call crime stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: amIam on February 09, 2011, 01:31:13 PM
I read this thread from time to time and it has always stuck in my mind that Noreen, went back to her friend's home for a coat as she waited for the bus..it was a cold night.  The coat was offered buy she left without it.
Now I may be in need of an adjustment of sorts and please feel free ( anyone) to bring me up to further speed..but whom offered the coat and at what time, if any was the offer of the coat abandoned?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 09, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
That fact about the coat bothers me too, amIam, but if you go back to Reply #26 and #27, we did discuss it.   All we can do is speculate, but I am not so sure I am satisfied.  ;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: amIam on February 09, 2011, 02:18:22 PM
I reliase it has been mentioned early on but has never sat well with me either.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 09, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
After reading through from the beginning I found that Woodlnd had some good info from archives. Still, it all left me with more questions.

old.geezer had so much "right", supposedly from a psychic SIL, promised to return with more info after visiting with family but has not contacted the Greenley family. My initial thought was is this someone who needs to get something off his chest.

Noreen leaving for the bus stop and coming back (20 min walk...doubled...40 minutes) Now I understand she may have felt "brushed off" by her friend. Missed the last bus for an hour or two.
Not wanting to bother anyone anymore, she took the first offer of a ride? I would think at that young age of 13 she would have been frightened to do so. More like abduction.


1995 Gary's son incarcerated for kidnap and assault of a child. Discussion on another case of what makes people do the nasty things they do to others...they just don't wake up one day and say, "I'm going to become a child molester"...that the problem lies with chemical imbalance, however a larger part is from genetics (family history).

Regarding the girl who had known Noreen from skating...how far did this girl go in figure skating? I know from my dtrs having skated that competitions take these kids over provinces. I would try and find her and talk to her again.

I do hope the Police go over the case very well and do some serious re-questioning plus polygraphs.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 09, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
From what I recall on this thread, Noreen refused the coat. As I have read on this thread, her girlfriend offered Noreen the coat, but for some reason, Noreen refused it. To my way of thinking, she would have been shivering out on the highway waiting for the next bus?? Which perhaps opens up the possibility that Noreen may have accepted a ride.


PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 09, 2011, 10:33:54 PM
Then, as some of you have mentioned earlier, someone she knew from the community may have happened along.
Or Gary was leaving his gf's for the night. He was young and may not have had a car.

I still have a "gut" feel that a childless couple may have also taken advantage of the situation. Ok, I've put that out, call me a crackpot ;)
It could be possible. Look at the American case (Dugard sp)
I rarely have these kinds of "gut" feels and have absolutely no psychic abilities, just occasional gut feels.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: amIam on February 12, 2011, 04:32:14 PM
Has Doreen's  refusal of the coat that very cold night ever been confirmed? Have always wondered why she returned to the g/f's apartment as she was cold and yet refused a coat to help keep her warm while she waited and yet waited again for a bus.  Why bother??
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 12, 2011, 06:21:55 PM
Please don't think I'm pointing fingers here; I wouldn't want anyone to think that.  However, the facts reveal only one sure thing:
1.  Noreen's friend and boyfriend were the last people known, to have seen her.
2.  We only have their word that she did what they say she did.  Am I wrong here?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 13, 2011, 07:58:34 AM
I feel it is one of two things.   Either Bonnie and Gary (Noreen's friends) know something more....or it was a stranger abduction.
I would like to know more about the phone call a few years back....a male voice that had 'something' to say, but then hung up.
Was this call made around the same time that Bonnie died? 
  We are taking the word of 2 young teenagers that ended up getting married.   I think the police need to talk to Gary Woolner again and again.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 13, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
I don't know why they don't question Gary Woolner because you are right they were the last ones to see her.  I can't quit remember it could have been around that time that Bonnie passed away, can't be positive though that my mom received the phone call from a man.  All he said was he had to get something of his chest and talked about a young man who boarded with him in his home located in Ceaserea, Ontario that he was unusual,and worked on cars but than hung up.  Wish i had more information for you but none of this seems to be making a difference anyway, getting very flustered, its not that i don't appreciate everyones help i certainly do, i think i am feeling this way because i don't know why the police can't step forward in this.  Sorry we seem to be going in circles and we are asking the same questions that revert to Bonnie and Gary. They should be trying to get a hold of old.geezer. speak with Gary, and possible speak with that girl that said she spoke with Noreen and said she was in Calgary Alberta.  I also have looked on facebook for Noreens name, i looked up parts of her name and came across a woman named Anne Greenley which Noreens name is Noreen Anne Greenley.  I put in a friend request and she accepted it but i think she did because i noticed on her friends list that her relative name was also Kelly Greenley and this woman is from Calgary Alberta.  I was able to view some pictures of her family but not of her and my sister says that i actually look like the one girl.  I have sent her a private message but haven't heard anything back yet.  I am hoping she will reply whether its her or not, or someone in her family.  Or if she is not i asked maybe she could help because she lives in Calgary Alberta where Noreen was sited.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 13, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
I don't know what Bonnie passed away with, but she wasn't that old.  I wonder if she was sick for a while first, and struggling.  It would be real significant if we could determine when that call from the man was made, if it was around that time. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 13, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
Hello,
I'm brand new here and I've read this thread from the beginning. Several people have commented on the apparent oddity of Noreen returning to the girlfriend's place complaining of the cold and then refusing to take the offered coat.

Personally, I don't see anything odd in this at all. Consider yourself as a 13 year old girl who has just been kicked to the curb by your girlfriend because of a boy. Perhaps the girls had made different plans earlier in the day and now her friend had changed them in favor of the new boyfriend.  Most 13 yr. old girls are going to be upset by that, typically feeling hurt and rejected. So Noreen goes to wait for the bus, probably annoyed and getting more annoyed as she stands there. Likely she got her dander up about being sent home, then decides to go back to the house to protest. She may well have said it was cold, may have complained bitterly about it. But, it historical data shows it was only 55 degrees that night. Not exactly balmy, but not usually considered cold by a teenager's standard. To my read on this, I think the whole thing about the coat was likely meaningless. Likely, two teenage girls squabbling because of a boy.

Anyway, just making my intial introduction by inserting my opinion all over the place.  ;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 13, 2011, 03:53:13 PM

Hi Retshome and welcome.

Quote
I think the whole thing about the coat was likely meaningless. Likely, two teenage girls squabbling because of a boy.


I have wondered the very same thing about the boy. Perhaps Noreen's sister can answer to whether there may have been some jealousy here?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 14, 2011, 03:31:32 AM
Greenley Family, I just wanted to be a little more specific on the girl (and approximate age) who claimed she saw Noreen in Calgary. She may have been a junior in figure skating. When I had my girls fitted for skates in the city, it was usually juniors who worked at the pro-skate stores. Some of them were from Ontario, going to school here, training in Edmonton's club, and worked in shops for some spending money. I would think Calgary did the same. Those we met from Ontario were around age 17. So that is how I would think the girl was probably in Calgary if she was. imo, I think it's worth a shot to go after the Coldcase Police handling Noreen's file and don't give up. If they have had that info of the girl, it should still be in the file.
As far as the Police go for all the other persons, I guess you need to be persistent and suggest to them re: Gary. Copy and print out old.geezers comments and keep reminding them, or ask to have a meeting  and take someone along that is strong in pushing for further investigtion, plus take a tape recorder. Sometimes police just need to be pushed, and if that doesn't work, is there an Ombudsman in the area? They have been successful in bringing families' plights in the open.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 14, 2011, 05:25:19 PM

Thanks for the welcome debbiec!  :D

 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2011, 06:21:31 PM
To: the Greenley Family:  Any response from the Calgary Greenley face book yet?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 14, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
No, still trying..i sent a private message to Anne Greenley the one who accepted me as a friend but have had no response.  I think i am going to try to post maybe a message on her wall maybe someone will see it then.  I was hoping to give her the opportunity of keeping the message private but no response.  I also put in a friend request to the other Greenleys that were on her profile.  Hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2011, 06:40:47 PM
Perhaps she hasn't looked at yet.  Or, maybe she is thinking about it before she responds.  Have you considered this approach;
"I think we may be related, and perhaps share some common relatives?" Or do you  feel, that it wouldn't make any difference? (Just thought that you may get an earlier response that way) Best of luck with it.  You've done really well.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 15, 2011, 12:09:25 PM
Hello,
I'm brand new here and I've read this thread from the beginning. Several people have commented on the apparent oddity of Noreen returning to the girlfriend's place complaining of the cold and then refusing to take the offered coat.

Personally, I don't see anything odd in this at all. Consider yourself as a 13 year old girl who has just been kicked to the curb by your girlfriend because of a boy. Perhaps the girls had made different plans earlier in the day and now her friend had changed them in favor of the new boyfriend.  Most 13 yr. old girls are going to be upset by that, typically feeling hurt and rejected. So Noreen goes to wait for the bus, probably annoyed and getting more annoyed as she stands there. Likely she got her dander up about being sent home, then decides to go back to the house to protest. She may well have said it was cold, may have complained bitterly about it. But, it historical data shows it was only 55 degrees that night. Not exactly balmy, but not usually considered cold by a teenager's standard. To my read on this, I think the whole thing about the coat was likely meaningless. Likely, two teenage girls squabbling because of a boy.

Anyway, just making my intial introduction by inserting my opinion all over the place.  ;)

Welcome Retshome. You could be spot on with your suggestion. I believe it would hurt a younger best friend who wasn't into dating yet to be neglected like that and sort of cast aside for a boy.

Do you have any more suggestions from a "fresh pair of eyes"? Sometimes we get stuck in a rut and new eyes are always appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 15, 2011, 07:59:40 PM
Hi Retshome.   I see what you are saying about it just being a teenage girl spat, because of a boy, and the couple hooking up could want Noreen to leave them alone.... but it doesn't explain the coat to me.   I say that because 
                                                                                 a) Noreen would have been too mad to return for anything....
                                                                                 b) It was 55 degrees that night, not that cold for a kid....
                                                                                 c)  If Noreen did go back, (it's a fair hike there and back to the bus stop)
                                                                                      why wouldn't she take a coat at that point?
                                                                                   OR
                                                                                  d)  Would she risk missing the bus that only came once an hour?
The coat story brings up too many questions with me.   I suppose the young couple wouldn't say that if it wasn't true, or would they?   It would explain Noreen missing the bus.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 16, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
Just updating everyone on the attempt i made to find Noreen on facebook. I located a woman on facebook named Anne Greenley from Calgary Alberta was so excited thinking the almost impossible that she was still alive, everything seemed to fit so perfect her name, where she lived,even her family looked like mine. She replied to my message and unfortunately she is not Noreen but she is a wonderful person and also said that the Kelly Greenley from her family looks just like me.  She did offer to relay this information to her family and to also check out this site to offer any insight on the case.  Well back to the drawing board. Still won't give up! 
Thanks Anne
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 16, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
Sorry it didn't work out to be a connection....but I think you may have met a new friend...so it's not all bad.   ;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 16, 2011, 10:12:43 AM
Just updating everyone on the attempt i made to find Noreen on facebook. I located a woman on facebook named Anne Greenley from Calgary Alberta was so excited thinking the almost impossible that she was still alive, everything seemed to fit so perfect her name, where she lived,even her family looked like mine. She replied to my message and unfortunately she is not Noreen but she is a wonderful person and also said that the Kelly Greenley from her family looks just like me.  She did offer to relay this information to her family and to also check out this site to offer any insight on the case.  Well back to the drawing board. Still won't give up! 
Thanks Anne

I'm sorry it didn't work out after having your hopes high. I hope very much in the days ahead you have success.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 16, 2011, 10:49:21 AM
Greenly Family:  To my way of thinking, while you have not reached your goal, you have met a wonderful person whom can be a positive addition in your quest to find Noreen.  It is frustrating and discouraging at times, but you have made some connections that you didn't have before.
Also, I am  thinking that if you placed an ad in the personal sections of say the Regina and Saskatoon paper, or online with Canoe, you will reach  another  audience.  Kids  grow up, and move away from their hometown.  I am sure that anyone living there at that time would carry around with them the memory of  Noreen's  disappearance.  Also, you might consider a facebook for Noreen.  Perhaps your new found Facebook friend could help you with that.
http://www.sacp.ca/missing/search_results.php?categories=all&detachment=all&gender=Female&txtSearch=noreen+greenley&newsearch=1&Su
In my research, it appears that Noreen isn't even registered as missing, or anything in Saskatchewan.?? Is this case is sitting in boxes underneath a detectives desk, who works on it whenever he can? (Of which I am sure you are ever so grateful)  Noreen should be registered somewhere I would think? - or is she under Cold Case?  If she is not registered anywhere,  I am not in anyway criticizing the Greenley Family, as families leave it up to the police.
This happened many years ago, and they probably did not have a system set up at that time.  If she is not registered, perhaps  she should be.
A good resource person to e-mail is the RCMP Historical unit.  In fact we have a thread under Saskatchewan, I believe with Cpl Pellay from RCMP who came onto it and explained what the Historical Unit does and I will give you the link to the RCMP Historical Unit Facebook website.
I am going to post this message on the board now, so that I don't lose it.

PEACE
JB

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: history_major on February 16, 2011, 12:02:14 PM
Going back to the whole coat issue...
I know even though I am no longer a teenager, my friend and I are at odds because I am in a wonderful relationship and she is not and is therefore jealous.  Now...I do remember what it was like to be a teenager and how stubborn I was...
Was Noreen known for being stubborn?
This is a scenario that I can see being plausible.

Noreen leaves her friends house, potentially feeling jealous, or at the very least that her friend chose the boy over her.  She walks, gets cold and heads back for warmth.  Instead of being told to come on in, she is handed a coat to keep her warm.  Now she may be pretty mad at her friend, and if she was stubborn or anything like me when I was younger, turn down the coat out of anger, or pride, whatever...saying that if her friend didn't need her anymore, that she wouldn't need her friend's coat to keep her warm.

The other thing, about the young couple staying together...that is fairly unusual.  To be together from that young and end up getting married.  I was with my high school sweetheart for almost 5 years and we found out that we changed too much in the span between high school and university. So we broke up.  Is it possible that they married one another to keep a secret, and to ensure it stayed a secret?  Absolutely NOT pointing fingers in any way, just an observation.

Good luck with your search, and if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 16, 2011, 12:16:31 PM
Thanks history_major for your insight.  I have also thought about that, the couple being together and than getting married to each other to hold a deep secret too. I am not pointing fingers either..just an observation!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 16, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=4269.0 Here is the post from HCU - on our forum

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=160151537351983&topic=308#!/pages/RCMP-F-Division-Major-Crimes-North-Historical-Case-Unit/160151537351983 This is the facebook link for RCMP.

Wishing you all of the best,

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 16, 2011, 02:00:20 PM
Thank you SAP for the welcome!   :D

Like history_major, I too, was trying to consider it from the perspective of a young teenage girl. Common sense and logic are not the same creatures to a 13 year old girl as they are to most adults. Add to that perspective that we can do little more than speculate on what could be countless explanations and well, it's just one possible theory.

Greenly Family, I'm also sorry that your lead didn't pan out. That had to be very disappointing. Try as we might to keep our hopes in check, hope is always there anxious and ready to spring. Jellybean makes a good point in that you now have one more friend to add to your side. You never know when or where an unexpected lead might come from. Along that line of thinking I agree that setting up a Facebook page for Noreen might be a good idea. It's a great big world out there and Facebook is like billions of wormholes allowing anybody to get anywhere in no time. It's just another way to get Noreen out there for people. I'd like to suggest that if you do set up a page that you put as many visual cues as you can on it. We're a short attention span people now days and visuals tend to rule the day. So anything you've got, images of the area, Noreen, clothes she was wearing etc. etc. There are tons of tiny details that might seem completely insignificant to some but stand out loud and clear to another.

Oh and one last thought, have you cruised the area through Google maps? Oldtimer was saying that his sister-in-law visioned Noreen being buried underneath two trees of different species near the train tracks. It might be possible to see that from Google's sat. view.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 16, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
history_major and Greenley family....I am totally there with you, on the 'couple'  observation.   
That's why I think it would be very helpful if we could find out if the call was made from the guy in Cesarea(but abrubtly ended) around the same time as Bonnie's death.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 17, 2011, 07:20:52 AM
My mom doesn't think the phone call she received by the man was at the same time as Bonnie's death.  I am going to try to set up a facebook page for her and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 17, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
Thanks, I shall stop beating that fact up then. 
 Someone out there wants to talk though, I hope he calls back again, because so much time has passed that we need a conscience to act up.  I wonder if you should have a tape recorder set up in case he does call again.   I see Joyce has joined, I directed her to this thread, as she had posted in a different thread.

I see there is a facebook thread for Sonia Varaschin, as well.   That is a good idea.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 17, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
My mom doesn't think the phone call she received by the man was at the same time as Bonnie's death.  I am going to try to set up a facebook page for her and see how it goes.

Hugs to you and your family today!!

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 17, 2011, 06:42:15 PM
Thanks!   Noreen Greenley is now on facebook!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Concerned on February 17, 2011, 08:24:39 PM
Yeah, Greenley Family!  Let's hope it opens some eyes for you.  Good work.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 18, 2011, 07:45:04 AM
Sorry..had to deactivate Noreens profile on facebook, some family members said it would be a problem for what they were trying to do in this case.  Have to think of something else, but please keep responding with different ideas.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 18, 2011, 07:47:47 AM
I can understand that....I am leary of joining facebook groups.    I get worried the wrong person might find out too much about my kids, as they are on my facebook.   There is not enough privacy.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 18, 2011, 11:46:26 AM
Sorry, Noreen is missing from Bowmanville Ontario.  My last post, I had her missing from Sask.  A lapse moment of the brain cells.
Has Noreen been placed on the missing persons list? (Province wide)?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 18, 2011, 12:03:28 PM
Just to clarify, earlier I had mentioned getting help from an Ombudsman but looking at their site I see they only handle government issues. Up west I've seen occasion where they handled personal issues in the past, so I guess that is out as far as contacting them.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 18, 2011, 12:04:57 PM
Not sure about that jellybean if she has been posted as a missing person world wide good question how do i find that out?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 18, 2011, 12:23:29 PM
Noreen was placed here recently:

http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_browse.asp?Related_With=Missing_Person
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 18, 2011, 01:42:36 PM
Thanks SAP!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 18, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
Thanks SAP!

YW. I wonder if there's any archived articles/papers from the Fall of 1963 that would show how well Noreen's missing was publisized outside the community? Surely the Police would have listed missing persons then already. Do you have a local library card and I wonder if they would have more info as well.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sbc on February 19, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Hi- I noticed some posts regarding the issue of the coat etc- the distance from the bus stop to the Wilkin house is very short-= less than a 100 feet-
Regarding the information about the trailer and the trees location where she was supposedly buried, this originally came from a psychic- I heard about that last year... glad to see so many posts and people interested after all these years= I hope it doesn't become too overwhelming..
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on February 20, 2011, 09:41:04 AM
Thanks sbc for clarifying the distance to the bus stop. I had asked that question on Jan. 11th. The media report said 20 meters (65 feet) which sure is different than a 20 minute walk. (I wonder if one could actually see the bus stop looking out the Wilkin's windows). This also means that Noreen had plenty of time to be at the bus stop for the 11:30 pm bus. And, it was little effort for her to return to the house to say she was cold.

The bus driver says she wasn't there, the psychic says she got on the bus. Either way, she was only about 65 seconds from the house.

If you heard about the psychic's statements last year, then it appears that old.geezer was merely relaying the same info.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sbc on February 21, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
Yes, you can easily see the bus stop from the front of the house-another psychic said that Noreen did get on the bus and that police should question the driver- I did speak to him recently- he is well into his 80's, hard of hearing and didn't seem to even remember the incident-
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 21, 2011, 12:21:25 PM
Thanks for clarifying that about the bus stop.  How long ago did you question the bus driver about the incident?  Wow in his 80's thats the problem we are going to have with this case being so old, but one thing i find about older people is they do remember the past really well, especially when it comes to special circumstances that happened in their lives. I always have heard stories from my grandparents, unless they have altimerzers or some kind of memory disease.  Maybe he didn't quit understand because of the hearing difficulties.  I think it is worth another shot interviewing him, i mean we have nothing to lose.  If we wait too much longer this might be another person buried with important information.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 21, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
Yes, you can easily see the bus stop from the front of the house-another psychic said that Noreen did get on the bus and that police should question the driver- I did speak to him recently- he is well into his 80's, hard of hearing and didn't seem to even remember the incident-

Wow! How fortunate that this person is still alive and able to be interviewed at all. That is a major problem with these old cases. Most everyone has move and can't be found, few are still alive and so many don't remember anymore. This guy is most definitely worth trying again. Any chance an interview can be done in person?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 22, 2011, 02:33:33 PM
Just received some new information about the case, apparently it was reported by Bonnie Wilkins neighbor that there was a suspicious Black English Car pulled up to the bus stop around 11 pm and the driver was wearing a black hat that night she went missing and with the previous statements about being able to see the bus stop in clear view, i guess they had a good look.  This was a statement made by the neighbor but it looks like it was over looked and not investigated.  Further up the road that evening this black car was spotted by Noreens sister, a cousin and a good friend, it swerved and forced the girls into the ditch and they could hear what they though was Noreens screams.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 22, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
Question:  Is Noreen's sister, cousin and friend still living? Do you feel that this is a reliable source?
This car, sounds like it was driven by a stranger to town or driving through, which was my initial thought (feeling) about Noreen. 
I have read, that very often the victim is driven no more than 9 miles (from the place they were picked up)  I will have to search for the data on that.  I have read it, and it has also pointed out on various tv programs.  Will search for it honestly. It is always quoted in miles never km's so I assume it is an American data.
You have received some positive responses in such a short period of time IMO. 
Do look after yourselves, please don't let it exhaust all of you. 
Hopefully someone will contact you again with further info.

PEACE
JB


Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 22, 2011, 04:17:10 PM
Have a little more information, the phone call that was received by mom the man mentioned about the village of Ceserea where he suspected someone whom Noreen knew also.  I have heard that Noreens Baseball Coach lived in Ceserea.  Just information not accusing anyone.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 22, 2011, 04:26:54 PM
Noreens sister is a reliable source,but i still think she was picked up by someone she knew or else she wouldn't have gotten in.  All she had to do was to pick up the phone and her father Harvey would have came and got her.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 22, 2011, 08:03:49 PM
I'm sure a few people from bowmanville would remember our family. We were Harvey & Nadine( Mom & Dad) , Gary,Harvey,Noreen,Joyce,Rodney,Mark & Shelley. I recall a list of friends to our familywere Dave Allison& Family             Madill Brothers" Herb"       Andy Wagner           Dave Wallner
                                                                             Bonnie Wilkins& Family         John Row                            Potter Family
                                                                             Lenore Harper & Family         Jim Simms                          Randy Donahue
This is just people off the top of my head that i can remember. Noreen was 13 yrs old, a tom boy. Bonnie was 15 yrs old and into guys. Whoever murdered Noreen , i want you to know she was just an innocent  little girl that loved baseball & horse back riding. Please, someone knows the truth out there come forth so we can find her & give her a proper burrial beside her mom and dad.Too many years have gone by,please help put this little girl to rest. Thank you , Noreen's sister,Joyce Greenley.           Ps I miss you Noreen          D. Allison,i think you know more than you let on,in fact i think you were there when it happened. That being said you should know and pray that i never find out!Why else would brother Gary cry out "  Stop the search,stop the search,Noreen is dead!"Then run out of the house in hysterics! So between Gary and Dave ,they knew the truth but Gary hung himself but not before he told brother Harvey where to find Noreen's body. In a shallow grave at Dave Allisons farm house behind the corn field.                                                                                     
Just read Joyce's post (somehow I missed it)
Question: Was the corn field behind Dave Allisons farm house ever checked - thoroughly?
And where is Dave Allison now? 
And do the police today, have this information on their files? Sorry for all of the questions.
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 23, 2011, 12:43:51 AM
Have a little more information, the phone call that was received by mom the man mentioned about the village of Ceserea where he suspected someone whom Noreen knew also.  I have heard that Noreens Baseball Coach lived in Ceserea.  Just information not accusing anyone.

Just received some new information about the case, apparently it was reported by Bonnie Wilkins neighbor that there was a suspicious Black English Car pulled up to the bus stop around 11 pm and the driver was wearing a black hat that night she went missing and with the previous statements about being able to see the bus stop in clear view, i guess they had a good look.  This was a statement made by the neighbor but it looks like it was over looked and not investigated.  Further up the road that evening this black car was spotted by Noreens sister, a cousin and a good friend, it swerved and forced the girls into the ditch and they could hear what they though was Noreens screams.

You are working very hard on finding answers and following up. Great work! Way back, black cars were more expensive and I think at one time thought to be a sign of prosperity. It would be interesting to be able to get the exact model and follow that up with companies in the area that sold them. It's a very long shot, I know. The kids were shaken and the make of car probably didn't sink in at the time.
It wouldn't hurt for someone to interview the coach either, face to face to watch reactions.
I wish you luck and success.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 23, 2011, 12:50:47 AM
Missing Person: Noreen GREENLEY
17-Feb-2011 12:14 PST Back | Print Article

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On Saturday, September 14, 1963, Noreen GREENLEY (DOB: May 16, 1950) was 13 years old when she went missing in the Town of Bowmanville. The Bowmanville Police Department investigated Noreen’s disappearance with several search efforts and investigations, unable to locate her. In 2005, the Homicide Unit revisited the case, and the local media highlighted it in an attempt to capture the public’s interest in hopes of receiving tips. No tips were received. Noreen remains on CPIC and NCIC as missing, and the case remains unsolved.

Contact Information:
If you have any information regarding this missing person please contact the Durham Regional Police Homicide Unit at (toll free) 1-888-579-1520 Ext #5400, or Crimestoppers at 905-436-TIPS or 1-800-222-TIPS


http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=123 (http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=123)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on February 23, 2011, 04:01:43 AM
History_major
 
                  Hi,my name is Joyce,Noreen's sister. I notice you mentioned the possibility of Noreen refusing the coat from Bonnie that night.
The night she went missing, my mother sent her out with  a sweater on.  It was one of the last things she said to Noreen,that it gets very cool at night.  She was wearing that sweater when she left that night to meet up with Bonnie. So,in my opinion,there would be no reason for her to get a coat from Bonnie as she would have been warm enough with the sweater on!
                    That being said,she would not have gone back to the house to get said coat in the first place. I don't believe this to be true in the slightest.  I still don't understand or rather it doesn't explain why Bonnie went into hysterics when Noreen's mom and dad came to her house looking for Noreen. They couldn't get into her room because Bonnie had locked the door and wouldn't let anyone in.
                              Bonnie said to Noreen's mom and dad " Go away,i gave Noreen a quarter to take the bus home and i don't know where she is!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 23, 2011, 06:58:51 AM
Thankyou, Jellybean.   I wanted to get Joyce's message over onto this thread, and couldn't....but you did it, thanks.  All this info needs to be on this thread.   
These kids were all young at the time of Noreen's disappearance, but they need to be talked to again.   Dave and Harvey and even Gary Woolner should be talked to.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 23, 2011, 09:10:05 AM

Jobo,

I had tried to move Joyce's information to this thread earlier, however the site was experiencing some problems during that time, so I was unable until everthing was fixed.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 23, 2011, 09:55:27 AM
Joyce:
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That being said,she would not have gone back to the house to get said coat in the first place. I don't believe this to be true in the slightest.  I still don't understand or rather it doesn't explain why Bonnie went into hysterics when Noreen's mom and dad came to her house looking for Noreen. They couldn't get into her room because Bonnie had locked the door and wouldn't let anyone in.
                              Bonnie said to Noreen's mom and dad " Go away,i gave Noreen a quarter to take the bus home and i don't know where she is!

The Police knew about this reaction and didn't think it was in the least suspicious? Very unusual for an innocent person. imo.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 23, 2011, 11:14:04 AM
Bonnie has passed away in 2009...so whatever she knew or didn't know has gone with her.  I truly believe that several of the young people mentioned on this thread do know what happened.  It would be nice to see the police question them again and again. 

See reply #44 on this thread.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 23, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Joyce - GreenlyFamily,

I'm curious about something, did either of you have the opportunity to know anything of Bonnie and Boyfriend/husband in the years following Noreens disappearance? If they were indeed covering up something they either saw or were involved in about Noreen. The guilt or fear might very likely have shown it's self in their lives somehow, substance abuses, domestic violence, emotional issues etc. Did you ever notice or hear of anything like that with any of the people involved? Keeping that kind of secret is like living with pressure cooker inside you and that pressure has to come out somewhere.

Bonnie's reaction back then is very suspicious to my ears.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 23, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
Reply # 24: <snipped>

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Another interesting fact is that Gary Woolner's son in 1995 was arrested and sent to prison for kidnapping and assaulting a 4 year old Bowmanville girl on Duke Street in Bowmanville.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 23, 2011, 05:12:08 PM
Reply # 24: <snipped>

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Another interesting fact is that Gary Woolner's son in 1995 was arrested and sent to prison for kidnapping and assaulting a 4 year old Bowmanville girl on Duke Street in Bowmanville.

Great eye SAP. I completely overlooked this. It's always been my belief that child molestors do not develop in a vaccuum.

Taken from the same post #24 
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Makes you wonder like father like son or what. 


It makes me wonder too.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 23, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
My reply #26 also gave a few details too.   That is a very interesting fact that makes us want to know more about Gary Woolner.    Was he a buddy of any of Noreen's brothers?   Did he know them from school?    I am sure back then the population was quite small.  Probably only one highschool.   Do any of you Greenleys know the answers to whether or not there was any associations between Gary and the family besides that night at bowling?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 24, 2011, 01:13:46 AM
Yes, Retshome and Jobo. A number of questionble incidences in that family.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Fire on February 24, 2011, 01:42:13 PM
I'm wondering if the cornfield was ever thoroughly searched??

And I'm wondering if the baseball coach was interviewed?? Does anyone in the family know if he was a tenant in Cesarea? I THOUGHT I read that the mysterious caller was calling about one of his tenants - but I'm not able right now to go back to verify this. Someone pls shout out if I'm mistaken, or let me know if i'm correct (thanks).

Lastly, I'm wondering how realistic it might be for us to begin to conduct our own interviews and searches? This girl is out there... somewhere!! And somewhere... someone knows something!! When was the last time the police reviewed their files on this matter? When was the last time anyone was interviewed??

Can you (family) pls elaborate on the events noted above? What time was Bonnie notified? She locked herself in her room when she was told? Why?? A teenaged snit or something more? Where was the boyfriend when Bonnie was questioned? When did parents notify police? And who else reacted strongly? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on February 24, 2011, 02:30:38 PM
I'm sure a few people from bowmanville would remember our family. We were Harvey & Nadine( Mom & Dad) , Gary,Harvey,Noreen,Joyce,Rodney,Mark & Shelley. I recall a list of friends to our familywere Dave Allison& Family             Madill Brothers" Herb"       Andy Wagner           Dave Wallner
                                                                             Bonnie Wilkins& Family         John Row                            Potter Family
                                                                             Lenore Harper & Family         Jim Simms                          Randy Donahue
This is just people off the top of my head that i can remember. Noreen was 13 yrs old, a tom boy. Bonnie was 15 yrs old and into guys. Whoever murdered Noreen , i want you to know she was just an innocent  little girl that loved baseball & horse back riding. Please, someone knows the truth out there come forth so we can find her & give her a proper burrial beside her mom and dad.Too many years have gone by,please help put this little girl to rest. Thank you , Noreen's sister,Joyce Greenley.           Ps I miss you Noreen          D. Allison,i think you know more than you let on,in fact i think you were there when it happened. That being said you should know and pray that i never find out!Why else would brother Gary cry out "  Stop the search,stop the search,Noreen is dead!"Then run out of the house in hysterics! So between Gary and Dave ,they knew the truth but Gary hung himself but not before he told brother Harvey where to find Noreen's body. In a shallow grave at Dave Allisons farm house behind the corn field.                                                                                   

It seems as though Gary had a strong reaction. Of course who wouldn't in a situation like this? It is  interesting to me why Joyce feels there is something more to this than just a normal grief reaction.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: history_major on February 25, 2011, 10:37:22 AM
History_major
 
                  Hi,my name is Joyce,Noreen's sister. I notice you mentioned the possibility of Noreen refusing the coat from Bonnie that night.
The night she went missing, my mother sent her out with  a sweater on.  It was one of the last things she said to Noreen,that it gets very cool at night.  She was wearing that sweater when she left that night to meet up with Bonnie. So,in my opinion,there would be no reason for her to get a coat from Bonnie as she would have been warm enough with the sweater on!
                    That being said,she would not have gone back to the house to get said coat in the first place. I don't believe this to be true in the slightest.  I still don't understand or rather it doesn't explain why Bonnie went into hysterics when Noreen's mom and dad came to her house looking for Noreen. They couldn't get into her room because Bonnie had locked the door and wouldn't let anyone in.
                              Bonnie said to Noreen's mom and dad " Go away,i gave Noreen a quarter to take the bus home and i don't know where she is!

Thank you so much for putting in such an effort in trying to find out what happened to your sister, I couldn`t imagine the difficulties you`ve had dealing with having a missing sister.  My sister was abducted, and thankfully released about 15 years ago, and its difficult enough in itself...so thank you for not giving up, and any help I can be please let me know.

In regards to the sweater, coat issue.  To be honest I never even thought that the possibility that she DIDN`T go back for the coat, it makes complete sense if that story was made up, especially how she reacted when your parents went to see Bonnie....soooo many questions!! This story has tugged at my heartstrings greatly, so like I said before, anything I can do to help, please let me know!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 26, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
I was just searching some other cold cases one that caught my attention was the one of Katherine May Wilson age 12 from Kirkland,Ontario went missing in 1970. This case was finally solved after 38 years. A man named Barry Manion 61 years of age confessed to picking this young girl up and trying sexual advances with her and when she wouldn't co=operate he drove to a wooded area and strangled her.  He said he couldn't live with this anymore, he was sentenced to life but once in jail he hung himself.  Could he have been responsible for other murders and missing girls in Ontario like Noreen Greenley.  Well maybe it sheds some hope for finding out what happened to our Noreen!  I don't think they have found this young girl body yet but Barry Manion did state to police the area in which to look
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 27, 2011, 02:10:33 AM
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2009/05/24/9554386-sun.html

omg... I had never heard of this before... but just googled it and your right... it really opens door to a lot of possibilities.  He sexually abused this girl for a year and a half... then some sexual thing she wouldn't do, he took her to the woods and killed her.

Who knows how many other's he took.....  and maybe even once he killed one, then got impatient quicker with the next????  I think he hung himself before they finished the search for her.  ....when you click on the above link, you notice 4 or 5 other little bits associated ... such as, he took her because he had taken a shine to her??? and others. 

When you read these, you can't help but think what these types are capable of.  ... and it makes my hair stand on end to think there are at least a couple of bastards around Bowmanville who know where Noreen is.... I really get that feeling.  I hope those who have kept this secret have /or do suffer terribly..... and then some! 

I am modifying this post to correct the first sentence.  I had assumed and posted that this freak had kept this girl confined (prisoner) for that period of time;  guess it never crossed my mind that he was able to take her off, and sexually assult her whenever he got the chance. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 27, 2011, 05:32:35 AM
It is amazing that we had never heard of this crime.    I see the perp was only 20-22 in 1970...probably too young to be responsible for the disappearance of Noreen.  Was he arrested in London?  I wonder when he moved to London, as I see his ex is still in Kirkland Lk. 
  London has many unsolved crimes.   Interesting digging..
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 27, 2011, 08:40:10 AM
Yes London has several unsolved crimes i have noticed. I hope they are researching this to see if there would be any links between this case and others.  Usually a person who does an act such as this one they have done more. Well like i said it gives us some hope after all these years.  Eventually these people can't  live with themselves anymore and speak up.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 27, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
I placed an event on facebook called Help Find Missing Girl Noreen Anne Greenley and hopefully i did it right. It only runs for 3 months at a time but i can keep running  it by renewing it again. Hopefully this helps and we get some more needed attention to Noreens case. So check it out on facebook!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on February 27, 2011, 04:40:51 PM
The London murderer you mentioned..Barry Manion... killed his second cousin, Kathy Wilson when they lived in Kirkland Lake.  She did not live with him, but he had been sexually abusing her for a couple of years.   The story can be found at www.lfpress.com and type Barry Manion in the search bar.

He killed her when she threatened to tell her parents.

Have faith
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Angela Ellis on February 28, 2011, 03:48:11 PM
I hope you don't mind me mentioning this, but I wonder if Peter Stark was ever interviewed. He would only have been 15 when Noreen went missing but he went on to stab a hitchhiker in 1970 (he served 6 years for that) and then killed Julie Stanton in 90. He was from the Pickering area.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Angela Ellis on February 28, 2011, 03:55:04 PM
I can't find the event on facebook,  can you invite me please? I also wonder if creating a group or page for her would be easier than an event since it will stay as long as you want and people can request to join etc.?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 28, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
Yes my daughter said i should do a page rather than event to. I will do that also, i am just learning to work all that facebook has to offer.  I have never heard of this Peter Stark guy, is he still in jail for this?  I do remember the Julie Stanton case, i think he was staying in a boat in the Port Darlington Marina when this happened with Julie Stanton but i didn't remember his name.  Thanks Angela for that update, he probably was never questioned by the police about Noreen because it was so many years before but it is certainly worth a shot. I truly believe that if they have done a crime such as that they have done it before.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 11:20:22 AM
Just received some new information about the case, apparently it was reported by Bonnie Wilkins neighbor that there was a suspicious Black English Car pulled up to the bus stop around 11 pm and the driver was wearing a black hat that night she went missing and with the previous statements about being able to see the bus stop in clear view, i guess they had a good look.  This was a statement made by the neighbor but it looks like it was over looked and not investigated.  Further up the road that evening this black car was spotted by Noreens sister, a cousin and a good friend, it swerved and forced the girls into the ditch and they could hear what they though was Noreens screams.
English cars were never very numerous in Canada, and not all makes and models came in black. This car should have been very easy to identify at the time by LE!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: MAGPIE on March 01, 2011, 12:23:11 PM
("Greenley Family")  Kelly, you seem to have been working alone trying to find closure re your Aunt Noreen. I commend you for all of your efforts. You had very little details, and have been unable to find answers to most of our questions.  You put up a face book site, only to be told to take it down by "some family members"who said it was a problem for what "they"are trying to do in this case, what ever that means. You have included incorrect information in public statements (eg distance to the bus stop) and have never been corrected by any other family members. All of this makes me think that you have been working on this pretty much alone.

Now that your Aunt Joyce has joined this thread, is it possible that all the Greenley family can become a united force in supplying information and finding the location of Noreen with the common goal of bringing her home. It would also be wonderful to solve this case and have the closure of knowing exactly what happened to Noreen.



The Greenley family has ALWAYS been a united force for Noreen. Our common goal since her disappearance has been to find out what happened to our sister. Kelly has just recently launched this internet search, but we, Noreen's siblings,  have been searching for her for decades. We keep in close contact with the Police/Detectives/Newspapers/Media to insure the case stays active and in the public eye,  we've combed through days worth newspaper archives long before the internet became so prolific, heck, we've even enlisted the help of psychics. We have NEVER GIVEN UP the search for answers. To imply that Kelly is the only one to give a hoot about what happened to Noreen is as far from the truth as you can get.  We may not be as publicly active in the online search for Noreen as Kelly has been on this site , but we have all been here, searching, questioning and hoping since 1963 and will continue to do so.

Mark Greenley, Brother of Noreen
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 01, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
MAGPIE:   Welcome.....  I am glad to hear that your family is united in your search for Noreen and the truth.   
"United we stand, divided we fall."

What I don't completely understand, now that info is coming out on this thread, is what brother Gary may have told brother Harvey, before he took his own life.   I cannot get past that, after reading that info on here. (Reply #125 & #142)
Seems to me the young people back then have something more to add to this mystery.   

I have not posted much lately, as I am still trying to understand reply #125 & #142.   But I do hope for the best for her family and most of all, some answers.....this child needs justice.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on March 01, 2011, 01:24:28 PM
Hello MAGPIE, it is great to see you post on this thread.

I hoped that the Greenley family would become a united force in "supplying information" to us.  This, in no way suggests that Kelly is the only family member to give a hoot about what happened to Noreen. Once Joyce joined the thread with extraordinary new information, it was apparent, to me, that any contributions from any family members would be invaluable to this thread.

As you can see, we are missing answers to many questions that would help us. Any insights or data you have would be greatly appreciated.
It appears that someone knows what happened to Noreen, and this just might help discover the truth. I do not doubt your dedication and love for your sister and only hope we can help in any small way.

Sincerely,

Have faith
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Angela Ellis on March 01, 2011, 01:35:43 PM
Peter Stark is still in jail, I doubt he will ever get out.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 01, 2011, 01:52:51 PM
Thank you Angela for that information. Have you ever heard if he ever admitted to any other crimes he might have committed.  You would think that the police would of questioned him on other crimes in the area when he was charged with the Julie Stanton girls murder.But unfortunately i have not much faith in that.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 01, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
I have started a facebook page for Noreen now.  Just learning the ropes of the page but people can also respond on the wall of the page for any information they may have.  Look it up and pass it on.  Its better than the Event i set up. I put the information on this site on Noreens facebook page.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 04:45:50 PM
There were two statements made by different members of the Greenley family earlier on this thread, one about the Allison farm and one about the sighting of a black English car. Could anyone provide more details regarding these points?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 02, 2011, 05:08:57 PM
Joyce would be able to give you more information about that, maybe message her directly if she doesn't see this post.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 05, 2011, 04:04:39 PM
Not having much luck with the facebook page on Noreen not sure how to get the page noticed by the public...ugh getting frustrated...running out of steam.  Please keep posting people and family there are some questions here that i can't answer that you could.  I am going to talk to the detective again to try and see if they have looked into any of this information that has been brought up.  No sense in me draining myself if the police are not going to do anything with the information.  Surgery on Monday so i won't be on the site for a couple of days.  See ya's soon.
Kelly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 05, 2011, 07:57:21 PM
I don't know about others, but I don't like to join groups on facebook.   Maybe good old fashioned posters, at the grocery store, etc.  Have Noreen's picture fairly big on the poster, might peak some local interest.  The locals there are the best ones to talk to.   Especially the ones from the circle of young people back then.  The good weather is coming, more people out and about to see the posters.
Good luck on Monday...and we'll give you to the end of the week to get back on...;)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Kelly, I wish you well in your surgery.

Once google bots pick up your new FB site, it will be on the Net, easily found. Keep the faith; don't give up. You have many behind you with encourgement. :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Retshome on March 06, 2011, 02:21:39 PM
Thoughts and prayers are with you for a smooth and successful operation on Monday, followed by a speedy recovery!

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on March 06, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
I too wish you a speedy recovery, and hope that all will be well with you again.

Jellybean
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 10, 2011, 06:51:13 PM
What nothing new since i have been off.  Come on Fam don't slack off on me!  Thanks everyone for the thoughts for a speedy recovery!  Talking to the detective and he said he wishes to talk to Joyce about some information that she stated on here.  So Joyce if the detective doesn't get a hold of you, please get a hold of him.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 10, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
Glad to see you back.  I was waiting for you.  ;) I hope all went well.
   This is a great bit of news that the detective wants to talk to Joyce.  I think maybe what she has to say is important information for the cops to have.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on March 11, 2011, 12:07:39 AM
Good to see you're on your feet.... I hope Joyce is well also...
..when you don't see someone on a thread you know they are passionate about, it makes one kinda worry.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 17, 2011, 10:31:13 AM
Just watched the Dr Oz show yesterday with John Edward he was amazing.  Just sent a question over to the website of the Dr Oz show to see if he could channel and pick up on a person we presume dead like Noreen Anne Greenley. If he could channel her and she could let us know where to find her and what happened? Also went on his site and i am on a list for a reading. I believe in this and i am willing to try anything for my family and Noreen.  This truly would be therapy for us!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 17, 2011, 11:09:07 AM
Great going Greenley Family! I think that's a great idea.
There was another show, don't know if it's on TV anymore. The person who contacted missing people always seemed to be dead on with what he said, according to family members.
The detective asking to speak with Joyce is another good foot forward.  :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: FM on March 17, 2011, 01:33:33 PM
Someone from Bowmanville should remember who had a dark, English or European car during that time period.

Also, if this is a murder case, then it would be the type that the criminals usually never confess to even when they are arrested. The culprit could be in his seventies or eighties and, needless to say, the release of any information would be unprecedented.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 19, 2011, 11:58:07 AM
Forgive me if I missed something but, if Noreen & Bonnie lived in neighboring farms and Bonnie was at home why did Noreen have to take a bus?
Noreen had already walked from south bowmanville to northeast Bowmanville with Bonnie & Gary, back to Bonnies house on Waverly Road-and then she was going to take a bus?

thanks lisageeez
PS: Does anyone know the baseball coaches name(in Caesarea)?If so notify me, I have lived here in Caesarea for over 11 years and have basically grown up there all my life.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 19, 2011, 01:23:16 PM
Thanks lisageeez..i am not sure of the name of the coach or the team but i will ask my mom i think she knows.  I am interested in hearing more of the trailer park in Ceasarea because of the fact that a trailer park has been brought up and also Ceasarea, like are there rail road tracks that run through there or close to there?  If you could please have a look at the previous names mentioned by Joyce to see if they look familiar to you for if they also lived in Ceasarea?  Has the trailer park there been there for a long time? Thanks for the information i appreciate your help and interest in this case.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 20, 2011, 07:56:28 AM
lisageeze, Welcome......I live just "across the pond" from you.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 21, 2011, 08:47:06 AM
Hello Greenley family

I am new to the site-do you mean Joyce's comment from Feb. 17? for the names? I will check out the train tracks & trailer park. Interesting thought-Hwy 57 goes straight from bowmanville to caesarea(always has).
Keep you posted!
thanks for letting me try to help!
lisageeez
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 21, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
Yes that is a very interesting thought about Hwy 57 and Ceasarea!  and yes i did mean the names that joyce had mentioned previously.
Thanks again
keep us posted
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 21, 2011, 07:29:11 PM
I cannot think of where railway tracks are between Bowmanville and Ceasarea...or are the tracks down by Hwy#2?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 24, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
hello all

Well i managed to locate 2 maps of where railway tracks are all around bowmanville and other areas, Still poking around-will keep u posted!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 25, 2011, 02:29:14 AM
This is a photo of a 49 Ford Prefect.  It's not a typo,it's actually called a  " Prefect "   This is the type of car we think was used to take Noreen the night she disappeared.  I will keep looking for a better photo but for now, it's the closest thing resembling that car i could find.  Joyce.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on March 25, 2011, 08:25:47 AM

This is also a 1949 Ford Prefect.  I will keep looking for a better one as well.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on March 25, 2011, 08:28:55 AM
Joyce; I just had a flash of memories from my teen years in the early /60's.  My father bought a new car at the time, that I seem to recall people called "British".  It was black and looked somewhat similar to that one you are showing.... however, a little bigger and more squared.  Those cars were called Consol... or Console.  I will try to find a pic of the one we had.   There were only a few around... my dad having the only one here in CB.

They were a bit bigger than those /40 for models... perhaps wider.  My brother still has a 49 Ford "Business" Coup, and they are narrow.

If that car was a Consol, as I think it was, they were few and far between I believe.  So DMV should have records of the owners in this country. 

modifying to include pic:  Joyce, my Dad's was like this - only black ... gotta check for sure with my brother... and I spelled the car name wrong.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 25, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
Wouldn't you know it,just because i said i couldn't find any better, look what happened, i did!  The car was black but i thought it might help to put up everything  that i found!  Thanx guys!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on March 25, 2011, 12:05:37 PM
Not meaning to distract from Noreen's case at all, but thought to mention this due to the discription of the car. I also feel there are other similarities worth noting. These girls were both very young (Noreen 13 and Marianne 10). They also disappeared less than four years apart.

On April 27,1967 ten Year old Marianne Schuett disappeared on her way home from school. I have included a small quote from her record here at Unsolved and posted the link to her thread below.

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SUMMARY:  At 4:00 p.m., on Thursday, April 27, 1967, SCHUETT left the Kilbride Public School situated at the northern section of the City of Burlington. The child had only 400 yards to go to her home but never arrived. She was last seen in the vicinity of the school driveway talking to an unknown male person who was seated in an motorvehicle. SCHUETT is believed to have been abducted by this man. The suspect is described only as being approximately 40 years of age, with a thin face and wearing glasses. The vehicle is believed to be a small or compact size European model, dark blue or black in colour, with a chrome section across the back. Extensive investigation and exhaustive land and air searches have been carried out; however, to date, this person has not been located

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=850.0
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 25, 2011, 12:10:38 PM
I just read this whole thread again and am still a little confused.  There seems to be two different directions in this case. Were Bonnie and Gary hiding something?  What did brother Gary tell Harvey.  Is that where the answer lies?   OR    Was Noreen abducted by someone in a dark British car?  I can't get these two scenarios to join together.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: FM on March 25, 2011, 12:28:11 PM
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The vehicle is believed to be a small or compact size European model, dark blue or black in colour, with a chrome section across the back.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=850.0
Good find, debbie c. The car in the Schuett case was identified by witnesses as a Renault station wagon. Below is one from 1967.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on March 25, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
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Good find, debbie c. The car in the Schuett case was identified by witnesses as a Renault station wagon. Below is one from 1967.

I found one article that says the car was "what was described as" a Renault station wagon. I'm not sure if the car was every positively identified as being such.

In my opinion witnesses also may not always know what they are looking at, when it comes to cars. I feel that the term "what was described as" may suggest that witnesses weren't real sure.

I'm modifying this to say that I have been looking at information on the Schuett case and have found varying descriptions of the car.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: FM on March 25, 2011, 02:22:28 PM
The original witnesses were auto workers from the plant nearby so their identification should be seriously considered. A Hamilton Spectator article says the car and its owner were identified in 1990 as a known pedophile arrested for attempted abduction. He later committed suicide.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/534dfon.html
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 25, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
I think what might have happened it:  Noreen did go back because saying that she was cold because she wanted to be invited in and spend more time with her friend.  Bonnie offered her a coat and she stomped off because that is not what she wanted at all.  After she left Bonnie and maybe Gary too felt guilty and got in touch with a family friend and asked if he could drive her.  He found her at the bus stop and offered her a ride.  She must have know something was not right if Joyce and her friends heard her screaming.  When Noreen's parents went to Bonnie's house to ask where Noreen was Bonnie would have gone into hysterics knowing her friend did not make it home.  She would have felt guilty about putting her friend in danger.  I think Bonnie and Gary both knew who was responsible but for whatever reason didn't tell.  Maybe they told Noreen's brother Gary, who then told his brother.  I think it was someone visiting the area, because it would have to be someone fairly prominent to be driving a car like that.  It would have stood out if it was local.  People would have known who it was.  Some rich family relative visiting Gary's family????
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 25, 2011, 03:08:18 PM
Driving a more than ten-year-old English Ford would hardly suggest a rich relative, more like a teenager's first car.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 25, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
Thanks for that important piece of information Sherlockholmes.  I don't know cars that well.   :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 25, 2011, 04:51:11 PM
Definitely a car like that would have stuck out like a sore thumb in 1963. If motor vehicle registration records still exist from that time, checking every Ford  Prefect built between 1949 and 1953 would still only throw up a maximum of a few hundred, possibly only a few dozen leads, so it would be a worthwhile approach.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 26, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
Here are the 2 maps of r.r. lines up durham & kawartha.
Hope they help.
lisageeez ;)
Apparently the Canadian Pacific ran north & south, and the Canadian National Railway went east to west back in the sixties I was told.

GREENLEY'S SENT YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 26, 2011, 11:07:30 AM
Scots and Sherlock, your theories sound very plausible. Scots, especially as you say how Gary and Bonnie may have felt badly after Noreen left and summoned a friend to give her a ride, and Bonnie's reaction the next day. That really fits. I believe that theory needs to go to police and Gary needs to be re-interrogted!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on March 26, 2011, 01:50:48 PM
I agree Sap.... I agree!! >:(  ...this has been let go way too long.  ...another case of the family of the victim having to do what the police wouldn't do at the time.  These police should go back and do their work.  They should hang their heads at seeing Noreens family having to do all this.  It's a disgrace.  I hope the day comes when lay back police departments get hit financially for letting something this serious drag along.  Maybe the police didn't deliberately drop the ball at the time, but clearly, "the ball got dropped". 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on March 26, 2011, 02:13:36 PM
Sherlock...good point.  I also believe that farmers have an affinity for old cars.

Joyce....as asked by lisageeez, would it be normal for Noreen to actually take a bus (that runs every hour) from Bonnie's house to your
             neighbouring farm house?
         ....as asked by jobo, did your brothers have any association with or know Gary Woolner?

Thanks Joyce.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on March 26, 2011, 04:54:38 PM
At the risk of getting ignored in this thread,   ::) I have to ask this question:

Did anybody ever question if any of the "abusers" at the Girls Training School/Reformatory in Lindsay, lived near Bowmanville or passed through at that hour?  if so, what they drove?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 26, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
I haven't really commented for a while 'cause I have tried to put together the facts as the relatives of Noreen have put out.   I can see your scenerio Scotsquine, and yes Sherlock it shouldn't be too hard to trace that vehicle in that area of Ontario back then.   We cannot discount the reaction of the young people that were around back then, although that is a very traumatic thing that happened to their friend/loved one.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 27, 2011, 01:28:32 AM
Back in 1963 when old #2 Hwy and Waverly Rd used to meet,that is where Noreen got into that car on that night. The car then headed west on #2 from the bus stop ( according to the neighbors across the street ) till it got to Maple Grove Rd where it turned south. When it reached Bloor St,it then went West again on Bloor  till it reached Holts Rd where it then turned North, went passed our house and continued North of Hwy 2.   I think the person driving the car took this route to avoid detection but didn't count on Noreen seeing someone she would recognize.She saw me, Darleen Goodwin and Sharon Mothersill  walking south on the East side of  Holts Rd.
                                           That's probably why she grabbed the wheel which caused the car to swerve toward us forcing us to jump into the ditch. Noreen was screaming as the car went on by to try and let us know it was her in that car so that we could run home and get help for her.Dad & Harvey immediately got into the car to try and catch up to them but to no avail. When dad & Harvey got back to the house,dad called the Police.
                                                                              i'm telling you all this cause i want you to know the names of the girls i was with the night this all happened. Darlene lived in the little shack just before the well on Holts Rd. One last thing,Darlene's mother was Sylvia Goodwin.
                                                                                Hope to hear from you soon Shelley,your sister Joyce!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 27, 2011, 02:42:59 AM
In addition to my previous post of the car's route i would also like to add that it is my opinion that Both Gary & Bonnie told Noreen to get into that car. They wanted her to go home so they could be alone and i believe they knew who the driver was as did Noreen. That is the only way Noreen would have even considered getting in. It seems to me that car made one big block which would've put him right on Green Rd where Gary,my brother said that's where you will find Noreen's body,in a shallow grave behind the corn field that was located on Dave Allison's farm house. This leads me to believe that both Gary & Dave knew the driver as well. Gary was between 16 to 18 yrs/old in 1963 & at age 42,he told brother Harvey where Noreen's body could be found. A short time later,he committed suicide by hanging himself leaving behind 3 sons.

        Also, i don't know if Bonnie's two older brothers were ever interviewed by the Police or not,but i believe one of them moved out west shortly after Noreen's disappearance.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on March 27, 2011, 09:07:15 AM
Duly noted: The Greenleys' lived on Holt Rd. not on a "neighbouring farm" to Bonnie Wilkins "on Waverly Road". (per reply #2, Durham News)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 28, 2011, 08:42:32 PM
Good day everyone! I have read & reread Joyce's post. I just want to make sure I am reading it correctly. Gary Greenley hung himself because he knew where Noreen was-but before he died he told his brother Harvey? Please reply & let me know if this is right
thanks lisageeez
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Jessica- on March 28, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
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The Greenleys' lived on Holt Rd

where on Holt Rd? their were remains found on Holt road near the power plant, could the cases be related?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 29, 2011, 01:42:57 AM
The remains found by the power plant were not Noreen's.  We got a flyer in the mail today and the different sketches were that of an aboriginal female whose remains were found in October 2006 near the south service Rd & Holt Rd. Maybe you got the same flyer?
     Gary was 42 when he told Harvey. He could not live with the guilt.Yes lisageeez,you read it right!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 29, 2011, 05:42:44 AM
If you have that info, Joyce....why won't the cops act on it, and search the farm?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 29, 2011, 07:10:39 AM
Thanks Joyce for answering my questions, I know that must get difficult after awhile-repeating details of the case. I sent The greenley's(shelley) a message about the retired baseball coach in caesarea-?

After Gary died & Harvey died did police question Harveys wife? I don't understand why 2 brothers would cover up for a person who took their little sister, then take it to their grave. This person must have been pretty powerful to Gary and perhaps Harvey too.
Do the Allison's still own the farm? Where was Gary G on the night that Noreen went missing?

On the maps I seen that there is a dirt bike trail up around Greens Road, not far from the farms-did the plice go & check out any of your & Gary's leads?
Thanks lisageeez
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 29, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
Lisageeez Gary Greenley went to his grave with this information about Noreen but my father Harvey passed suddenly from a Brain Aneurysm at age the age of 54 so he didn't willingly go to his grave caring this information and burying it with him. They have never questioned my mom Harveys wife about anything but my mom did report to the police about the phone call that she received several years ago from a man that had looked up her name in the phone book and asked if she were related to the Greenleys of the missing girl Noreen because he wanted to get something off his chest about information he knew about Noreen all he said was he knew someone from Ceasarea whom he had suspected of being involved with this case and that he worked with cars but then he hung up. My mother and father met well after Noreens disappearance so she doesn't know much more than i do about it. Noreen has always been a big part of my family even know she is missing. My parents named my sister after Noreen her name is Cassie Noreen Anne Greenley. I remember growing up and my father would never allow me to go to catch the bus to go to Oshawa, i always had to  call him to drive me there and pick me up  but he would be there anytime of the day or night. Joyce you are doing a great job keep posting information you know.  I wish i could help more but there are alot of supportive people on here and in Bowmanville who want to help in any way that they can.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Jessica- on March 29, 2011, 08:06:40 AM
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The remains found by the power plant were not Noreen's.  We got a flyer in the mail today and the different sketches were that of an aboriginal female whose remains were found in October 2006 near the south service Rd & Holt Rd. Maybe you got the same flyer?

Sorry, I should have worded that differently. I know the remains are not that of Noreen, but they are of someone else. I'm asking if maybe they could be from the same killer?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 29, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
Joyce and Greenley Family, (and families) this information you've recently posted ... I'm assuming was also given to investigators in the case? They did nothing with the info, not even check out the site that Gary G mentioned? I'm so sorry you have had to live with this for so long, so close to answers, yet so far from justice!
My hopes and prayers this year very soon will finally see justice for Noreen. I'm so happy you have people in the area that can do checking for you.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on March 29, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
SAP:  Like you, I pray that the Greenleys get answers, they have waited long enough.   
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on March 29, 2011, 01:07:35 PM
To Jessica
                 Since we don't know who took Noreen,the answer to your question is i suppose it could be.  But for no reason in particular,just instinct, i would have to say no!
                                       Joyce!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 30, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
Joyce, or somebody else familiar with the details, could you provide a map with all the key locations marked?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sbc on March 30, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
Hi- I made up a google map so you can see the locations-  see

<http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=210775176578718964003.00049fbe6899abd464c7a&z=14>


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Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: sbc on March 30, 2011, 09:14:56 PM
Sorry, Not sure why but the link doesn't seem to work  I will play around a bit with it tomorrow..
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lisageeez on March 30, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
just copy & paste in search bar at top of your screen-it worked for me.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 31, 2011, 11:53:16 AM
The person who picked up Noreen that fateful night must have had some standing in the community, or why would so many people cover for him.  I find it alarming that no one has come forward after all this time.  Would they be in trouble with police if they came forward now after all these years?  Having covered up information so long ago.  The family needs answers, I think that is all they're asking for now.  To bring Noreen home for a decent burial.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on March 31, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
I have made several post (replies) in this thread which appear to have been not recognized - as in ( just ignore her, she'll go away) but that's alright, because I've said nothing of any particular importance or value.  However, whether a person is welcome/recognized on this thread or not, the priority is Noreen.

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The person who picked up Noreen that fateful night must have had some standing in the community, or why would so many people cover for him.  I find it alarming that no one has come forward after all this time. Would they be in trouble with police if they came forward now after all these years?  Having covered up information so long ago.  The family needs answers, I think that is all they're asking for now.  To bring Noreen home for a decent burial.

I suggest it is very reasonable for someone involved in anyway with Noreen's disappearance, and/or covering it up - to be fearful of being charged with  obstruction, conspiracy to cover up, accessory after the fact ... whatever!  Therefore, wouldn't it be in Noreen's/the family's best interest at this point, to work out something with the police - which would publically offer "clemency" - if not "freedom from prosecution" to the first person to come forward with the necessary information to find Noreen's remains - excepting of course, the actual murderer/s.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 31, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
Lost, that sounds like a good idea; if the family are in agreement to do such since it has been a long time and in all probability harm did come to Noreen that night, especially in light of the latest infromation on here.

There was a time, a few pages back that I was hopeful that Noreen was alive and possibly in Calgary, but that doesn't seem so anymore. :'(
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 31, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
Lost - I think that is an excellent idea.  I hope they read your message and make a move in that direction.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 31, 2011, 01:35:39 PM
SAP -  Maybe I missed something.  What made you think she could still be alive?  Sorry to have missed it, I thought I had read it all and something terrible happened that night.  Please tell me or let me know where I can find the info.  Thx
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 31, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3175.msg53989#msg53989

A skater had mentioned she was talking to Noreen in Calgary.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on March 31, 2011, 02:54:36 PM
Thanks SAP, do you think she could have been trying to throw the police of the trail, covering for someone?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on March 31, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
Thanks SAP, do you think she could have been trying to throw the police of the trail, covering for someone?

Why would the person say it when it isn't true? It sounds hinky to me now, although I was hopeful. She's another one that should be found and questioned again, in person. Lately it's sounding like she did point in the opposite direction.
Who was she friends with? Bonnie and Gary W?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on April 06, 2011, 01:40:17 AM
Reply to post #217
                         
                                 I agree with this statement very strongly and  i would be the first to shake that person's hand and thank that person for finally giving my family the closure we so desperately desire!  Please come forward now,it is never too late to do the right thing! Accept the courage God has given you to help this little lost soul! :-[               
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on April 06, 2011, 08:13:40 AM

I've reposted reply #127 as per Joyce's post above.

Missing Person: Noreen GREENLEY
17-Feb-2011 12:14 PST Back | Print Article

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On Saturday, September 14, 1963, Noreen GREENLEY (DOB: May 16, 1950) was 13 years old when she went missing in the Town of Bowmanville. The Bowmanville Police Department investigated Noreen’s disappearance with several search efforts and investigations, unable to locate her. In 2005, the Homicide Unit revisited the case, and the local media highlighted it in an attempt to capture the public’s interest in hopes of receiving tips. No tips were received. Noreen remains on CPIC and NCIC as missing, and the case remains unsolved.

Contact Information:
If you have any information regarding this missing person please contact the Durham Regional Police Homicide Unit at (toll free) 1-888-579-1520 Ext #5400, or Crimestoppers at 905-436-TIPS or 1-800-222-TIPS


 http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=123

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on April 06, 2011, 05:50:59 PM
Just to clarify:  Joyce has modified her last post and agrees with Lost's reply #217, not #127. (transposition error)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on April 06, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
I do hope those of you who have the right to speak "officially" for Noreen, have arranged a meeting with the involved police dept. and district attorney in an attempt to request publication of the type of clemency and/or immunity we just discussed.  It might be the only avenue left since there are so few involved, and time seems to be running out for hopes of anyone coming forward now.  Maybe it would have been better done that way years ago, but better late than never.  I'm sure Noreens beautiful young spirit would like to go home to rest.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on April 08, 2011, 05:18:38 AM
Good thinking Lost.   The people that may be in the know are now in their 60's.....time to talk.   
Like you say, Lost, time for Noreen's spirit to go home and rest in peace.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on April 09, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
To my way of thinking, Noreen's spirit is at peace with the Lord, it is the family who is not and for their sake, I hope that it is solved.

peace
jb
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Tammy on April 19, 2011, 05:58:45 PM
A friend of mine contacted me last night regarding Noreen as she knows sometimes I can see and feel things. (psychic).  She is very bothered by this case and asked if I could try to tune in to it. 

I did not know about these posts until after talking to her on the phone.

I first told her that Noreen is near a tree that is unusual looking. If you find the tree, you will find Noreen.  It has been cut at the top and the right side from where I saw it.   It is some kind of pine, very dark branches.   It is now on its own without other trees around it and the ground around it is bare, dry and cracked.   There are a few weeds etc.  This tree is very old.   I also felt a connection to where the A & P ,or  Metro store is.   I'm not sure why.   I'm not sure what was there before.   There is also a strong connection to Liberty Street north.  That Noreen was driven up Liberty Street.  I feel there is some trailor park connection.  I googled parks in Bowmanville and I see that Cedar Park on Liberty St.   It is on the left side and I feel a strong pull to the right side of Liberty that is connected with the tree.   I did get a car with headlights by the tree but thought it was more of a darker blue metalic colour.  The cars on this site do not look like the one I saw.  There were some kind of fins on the car.  I wasn't going to post this as it must be very upsetting for the family of Noreen, but I thought if I don't there may be something I'm getting that could be of importance.   
Tammy
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: scotsquine on April 19, 2011, 06:22:10 PM
Thanks Tammy and welcome to the site. Every little piece of information is important. I am a great believer in psychic abilities and hope  you will continue to post. I don't live in that area, so there isn't much I can do with the info but I know that this could be valuable to people who live there.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on April 25, 2011, 06:15:10 AM
Welcome Tammy!   Have you read through this particular thread?    Old geezer (at the very beginning) also posted something very similar to what you are saying!!

Greenleys:   Who do you know from that time that lived in the trailor park around there?   This has been at least twice that a trailor park has been mentioned.  (And a different looking tree.)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on April 25, 2011, 10:58:11 AM
Very difficult to give credit when the same basic information has already been posted  by someone else don't you think?  I do believe in psychic ability but not regurgitation!  I would like you to note that there was never any mention of Cedar Park in any of these threads!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Tammy on April 25, 2011, 11:25:42 AM
Hi Joyce-  I am sorry I did not mean to offend.  I know you have no way of knowing that my friend had contacted me before I had read these posts and those are the things I told her on the phone as stated in my post.  You can contact my friend for verification if you wish.  I think she would be ok with that.   I know some people do not understand about others that can feel or see things that they cannot and I understand the scepticism.
I am sorry that I have upset you in anyway, that was not my purpose.

Tammy
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on April 25, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
Hi Tammy and welcome.  Kelly Greenley who posts under the name "Greenley Family" has expressed her interest in psychics. She hasn't posted on the thread lately. Maybe you can send her a private message if you like.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on April 25, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
On reply #8 there is mention of a trailor and an un- named trailor park.     Tammy: is your friend, by chance, the same person old geezer speaks of in his posts?   
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Tammy on April 25, 2011, 01:05:53 PM
To Have Faith,
Thank you.   If she wants me to contact her she can post it as I don't want to upset anybody in the Greenley family any further.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Tammy on April 25, 2011, 01:11:06 PM
Reply to Jobo,

No my friend is not old geezer.  My friend called me up and just asked me if I could give her any info regarding a girl that went missing in Bowmanville in 1963.   She said she saw an article a while ago in the newspaper and it bothered her and she was thinking about it again  so she thought she would ask me what I thought.

Tammy
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on April 25, 2011, 08:19:52 PM
Thanks Tammy, the information is almost the same as to what old.geezer posted and unfortunately i wouldn't know of anybody who resided in that trailer park due to the fact that this happened before my time. I wasn't born until 1967 but my family members might remember or know who resided there. I appreciate this information that you have shared, i think the family is getting a little frustrated with always getting the same information and we seem to be getting no where. I have been off the site for awhile due to surgery but i am feeling better and will keep in touch. Even with all the new information that has presented itself, it seems to be not enough according to the Detectives to start an investigation and reopen this case. Apparently they are too busy with all the cold cases that are on the go. Please keep posting information and we won't give up either. I believe everything happens for a reason and what goes around comes around!!!
Kelly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on April 26, 2011, 01:07:19 AM
Reply Kelly's post #238

                                I'm a little confused Kelly? The article you had printed in the news paper suggested  that the police had re-opened Noreen's case didn't it?  So what the hell are the cops doing if they say that? Are they saying one thing and doing another?  Did you get the name of the cop who told you they were too busy with other cold cases?Was it Det. Nash? Seems to me that Noreen's can be easily be considered a cold case don't you think? Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and doesn't want to know! Or maybe those hands are busy holding a broom for sweeping!  I think if i was them,i would like the world to know that i was the one that gave the Greenley  Family the closure they so desperately seek and possibly become a hero to them and others who seek justice!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on April 26, 2011, 04:28:51 AM
I agree 100% with your last comment joyce....what are the fine cops of Durham doing if they aren't trying to solve this cold case?? 

And Tammy,. I was asking if your friend was the SAME person old geezer refers to.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Tammy on April 26, 2011, 06:04:58 AM
To Jobo- No I have no connection to anyone who has posted on here.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on April 27, 2011, 05:33:24 PM
It was my assumption to Joyce that the case was re-opened when the letter was written. I called Detective Nash and his partner answered the phone and i asked what they were doing with the new information that has been brought up and if they have been viewing the site of Noreens. He said they check on occasion but to him there doesn't seem to be anything substantial to go on. I was floored and stated you got to be kidding. He also stated that Detective Nash was swamped with other cases like the one of the human remains found in Bowmanville of the woman. I don't know why Noreens case is of less importance then the other cases. I don't think there is any more information to go on with the human remains that were found, if anything i think there is more information with noreens case. Sorry i am frustrated with it and don't understand!! Maybe you should talk to Shelley because there is definite tention with her and Detective Nash Joyce.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on April 29, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
I'm so sorry you are getting such a run around. Do you think perhaps going to the media could help to get the attention you need?
Noreen's case is also a cold case that needs emphasis. It has been a long time and should take precedence, imo.
What happened to the comment that Police always make ... "we examine every lead"? If they are swamped they need more funding to hire more police, yet what we hear often is they are having cutbacks.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on May 15, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
There hasn't been much activity on my Aunt Noreen's case site PLEASE don't give up on her. I was in Bowmanville last week and took a short drive by the Trailer Park to scout out the area and to look for  some of the markers that were suggested by now to people on this site. I do believe in Psychics and deeply wish that the detectives would act on this information. Why not?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: nightmoves on May 17, 2011, 04:34:45 PM
Greenley Family:
I too was in Bowmanville recently, and am very intrigued by the two comments about the tree...i am very drawn to it...I went to the railway line starting at highway 2 and started walking, but due to a recent injury was not able to cover that much ground.  I really want to go back with the proper shoes and my camera.  Was wondering if you were feeling up to a walk along the train tracks....I am curious as to how far both trailer parks are from the train line.  I have a good idea having grown up there, but can't picture where it passes Cedar Park.  I also asked some family members what they remember at the time and will msg you either on here or fb.  It was an odd story not really related to Noreens disappearance, but bizarre happenings in our small town at that same time which have come to light recently.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on May 18, 2011, 03:39:35 AM
To reply #245
                No one is giving up on Noreen,just looking at other avenues to pursue. Yesterday was Noreen's birthday in case anybody missed it,May 16th.
Happy Birthday Noreen,I miss you and the family misses you very much.
                We will not stop looking for the person who is responsible for taking you from us & God willing He or She will have to answer either to us or to God almighty on judgement day.  There is no escape,in the end,you will pay,whoever you are!
              Take a minute and think about that! Isn't it time to give  Noreen some well deserved peace? :'(
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on May 18, 2011, 11:15:03 AM
Amen to that Joyce! :(  I am confident that Noreen will never ever be forgotten. .... and that must weigh heavy on anybody holding back information about her disappearance.

On another note Joyce; I've been looking for a large tree in that area.  It has to be full grown by now .... Of course, that's assuming it was already growning in 1963.  For some reason, I keep getting drawn to the same area along those tracks.  Yesterday I noticed there is major digging going on right around the section that seems to "bother me" .... there is a large tree there ... kind of alone from the rest (it might be two-in-one) .... it's difficult when you can only walk on the street with the google man.  It would be great if one could walk the length of those tracks with him.

However, Joyce ... something tells me you could clue in on where to look based on what you know of  back then.  Have you considered going to that developement and starting to walk the tracks there?  I'm putting in this link for you to look at. ..I hope it works.  If you zoom "out" just 2 or so marks, you can "pan" right and survey the tracks.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=Bowmanville,+Ontario,+1963&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=Bowmanville,+Ontario,+1963&hnear=Bowmanville,+Ontario,+1963&cid=0,0,1897942504378734967&t=h&layer=c&cbll=43.888739,-78.730827&panoid=ILGerV5kaAdxJT_1OasxXA&cbp=12,273.3,,0,6.7&ll=43.888739,-78.730827&spn=0,0.001308&z=20
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Taylor Scanlon on June 19, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
Hello I'm new to posting on here. I have been reviewing this case since there was an article in the local news paper. Ive lived in bowmanville for all my life. Specifically Maple Grove area. I was looking for where specifically Noreen Greenley Lived? I know what I'm about to say might sound crazy but I thought i was crazy my whole life until the other week I was talking to my sister.

Since i moved into this house i have Seen things. Specifically a Girl, Looked to be around 14 or 15. I never said anything to anyone until my sister was over the other day. She was talking about ghosts and stuff with my mom. Until my sister said that she has seen one. That's When my heart jumped. I asked her where, and she said here. A Young girl. She said she had talked to her along time ago.

That's when i said I have seen her to. Ive seen her in my house and when i have been walking in my woods. Some times I wake up at night With a feeling someones watching me. Ive talked to my neighbour about his and he said he's seen the same thing.

I thought I was crazy Until I heard other people have seen the same thing.

I don't mean to upset anyone by posting this. I just think it could use some looking into. But really for right now I just want to know if anyone else who lives in the area has seen the same thing. And If anyone can tell me the specific area she lived.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on June 19, 2011, 05:04:29 PM
There may be wonderful clues here ,but in my opinion until someone requests the involvement of other newspapers, eg. get the attention of the Toronto Star, and others, (Gosh it wouldn't hurt) I don't believe that much news will be forthcoming.

In my opinion, people move to other areas, they don't stay in Bowmanville.

In fact, at that time('63)  Bowmanville was small, and young people, or even middle aged people would have found a way to move out of it. Searching for  better employment, and better opporunity. 

We are speaking of 1963 here - the town was not the same then as it is today. So asking for citizens to come forward if they "know anything", in the local newspaper may prove to be  rather futile.

Doubt that those  citizens whom have left ,  would read Bowmanville News.

Young families who moved out of Bowmanville  during this time period, just might be able to confirm things, or add new light to Noreen's missing.
All of the above is just my own opinion.

Having said all of that,  the Greenley Family should be commended  for their constant search.

PS: I don't believe in psychics about their vision of a tree.  I looked at google, and there are trees galore!

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on June 24, 2011, 03:23:11 AM
Taylor Scanlon

   #1- Where is it you live that you think you see this ghost? ( Be specific )

   #2- How many sightings? did it speak to you?  What did it say? What did it look like? ( again, be specific )
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Taylor Scanlon on June 26, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
I live on maple grove road in between nash and hwy2 wont give the exact address over internet sorry.
And no i have never talked to it but my sister said she did along time ago.
And I acctually see it quite often. Maybe 1-2 times a month. And I always feel like theres someone watching me.
And as I said in my last post she looked to be 13-15. With Medium length hair.
She wasnt to tall maybe alittle over five feet.

Next time I see my sister ill talk to her about it and see if she remembers anything. Although she has been moved out for 7 years.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on June 27, 2011, 11:40:45 AM
 I think if people would get together and walk that track (with a few older people who remember the layout of the land back then) and look for the "two trees that look like one"  --- grant it, I see by googling the area that poplar trees line a lot of farm fields.  That was typical back then... they are easy to transplant and grow fast, and grow "up" rather than out .... making them great for dividing land... so two psychic's opinion on the "two trees as one" could be describing poplar - which is more shrub than tree.  (a tree has one trunk ...however, Thieve's Poplar usually has at least two main trunks) Nonetheless, it would be so big a tree by now, that it probably finished its life cycle and is more dead than alive. 

If Noreen is buried near that track, the makeshift grave would be very shallow and was probably done because the ground was easily dug there.... or else there was a hole, low spot, or gully there at the time, that made it easy .... especially if it is right on the edge of a working farm field .... because it would be so easy to transfer enough soil to cover the body in a hurry..... then just pile some rocks and or brush over the spot... even if it meant making a few more trips there at night to add more material.  .... that's just my opinon!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on June 27, 2011, 05:58:31 PM
Good points, lostlinganer.   Many farms have rock piles, but you never know if one is there for all the wrong reasons. 
 Also, I have "weed trees" (which I call Manitoba Maples, which I am not even sure is correct, but that is what I was told years ago)....and it has 3 large trunks.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Taylor Scanlon on June 27, 2011, 09:06:29 PM
There is a chance that if your Theory is correct the field may no longer be in use today. I was doing some  searching on the property lines back then. Alot of the farms have been broken up and been made into serperate lots. And the soil must have been dug up and put back down dozens of times in the last 50 years.
There were a few places I noticed that have remained unchanged or are still kept by the original owners.


By the Way where did "two trees that look like one" Come from? I dont really understand.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on June 27, 2011, 09:36:30 PM
Quote
By the Way where did "two trees that look like one" Come from? I dont really understand.

.... you have to go way back in this thread Taylor;  it's something that was mentioned by one psychic and relayed on here.... I personally got that from another psychic also.  ...but as I said.... that describes all the old Thieve's Poplars used for years to divide property.... yet if a psychic considered it to be along a rail line, that could probably narrow it down.  I say only those who knew the properties back in /63 would be able to figure that out.  Those close to Noreen and with knowledge (kept secret) of whomever abducted her, would have more knowledge of where that could be.  Guess it would take some "dwelling on it" in their minds until "a light comes on" ... loved ones are the best at cluing in on these things.  Many people don't believe in psychic ability; but try telling that to a loved one.  ...especially a "mother" or a sibling.  They feel each other's pain, presence and more.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on July 27, 2011, 09:21:08 AM
Yes as a family member you always carry hope and want to believe in anything including psychics, i myself do believe in psychics. I wish they would have a re-investigation on the area which the psychic stated previously where they figured she is buried.  If anyone knows this area and are going to be in the area described by the psychic in Bowmanville please take a stroll and she what you can see. Check along the tracks and look for the 2 different species of trees that share the same plot that the psychic described we have nothing to lose and we would appreciate the help. We as Humanitarians can make a difference! Refer to the previous posts by old.geezer that posted the statements by the psychic!
Thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on September 08, 2011, 09:52:47 PM
If I lived closer I would love to help out with a search but I am several provinces away. Has there been any new activity by Police? Media? Joyce mentioned above about different avenues for searching ... has anything come of that? Noreen needs to RIP where her loved ones can visit; not knowing is heartbreaking to say the least.
I believe that when a person has an untimely death they will keep coming back until they are properly released. What has become of Taylor's sightings? 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: GrailKnight7.5 on September 09, 2011, 10:05:15 PM
Notice how the sightings match the witness reports and 'confessions' on page 14? http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3175.195

The sightings were on Maple Grove Road and the reports point to Green Road. The roads are side by side and parallel with mostly fields and woods in between.

Without knowing the exact location of the sightng other than it was between Nash and 2, maybe if we knew the location of the farm mentioned in the reports, it might help in triangulating a location.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: nightmoves on October 18, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
I am there quite frequently.  Where do you want me to walk? Along the railway line towards the 401 or the other way?  I know exactly what is meant by two different trees sharing same space.  Just tell me what direction.  I would like to do it before the snow flies.  Also they are tearing out/building on the land that used to be Thistle Valley Trailer park soon.  Just an FYI
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on October 18, 2011, 01:09:08 PM
Nightmoves:  If you read Reply #247...there is a link to the Google map of the area.  It might be helpful.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: nightmoves on October 24, 2011, 06:26:07 AM
Thank you jobo...got it!!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: ususcatmcdirvm on November 12, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
to Taylor scanlon

perhaps next time you see her you should talk to her........call her by name or something........i'm not joking either about this.....because i totally believe in this kind of thing.........

hopefully the greenley family finds the answers someday soon........i can't imagine what this must be like

something that came to mind when i was reading these messages was way back at the beginning.....when someone mentioned truckers or something living in a trailer park or bad area and then the mentioning of calgary.....could a trucker have picked her up and taken her to calgary........sounds weird but just putting it out there
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on November 12, 2011, 04:27:18 PM
'scat; that is good thinking... good linking of thoughts as to another possibility.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: old.geezer on December 15, 2011, 04:17:54 PM
Apologies to anyone that thought I was being cruel by staying away from this message board. Truth is, I've had health issues and computer issues. I lost all links I had to this subject. Imagine my surprise on the number of replies since I last visited. I spoke with my sister in law today, and sent the link. She recalled the incident vividly, but has not had anything further since I first posted. We are getting together at Christmas, and believe me, this subject will be discussed at length. The odd thing is, I woke up in the middle of the night a few weeks ago. Noreen's case was the first thing I thought of, and I hadn't thought of it in a long while. It was a couple of days later when I rediscovered the messages. Psychics and best guesses won't solve this case. I firmly believe Bonnie's boyfriend/husband holds key information. It was Bonnie that my sister in law believes "contacted" her. So sad that she possibly took information to her grave.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on December 15, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
So glad to hear from you again...old.geezer!   I am glad your health (and computer) issues are solved, and you are back on here.   I know Noreen's family will be so glad to see you are going to be posting again.
I hope you and your sister-in-law can read through this thread again, and combine thoughts and after Christmas you will be able to add more.

I wonder if Bonnie "came" to your sister-in-law around the time she died (or was dieing)......I really wish the Police had another talk with her hubby after she died.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: old.geezer on December 15, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
Sorry about the email address. The server discontinued it's email service a short time after I used it on this board. I've updated it.

One question that just came up. Was Noreen's hair red or strawberry blonde? I don't recall seeing that mentioned, although I'm sure it was indicated somewhere.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: old.geezer on December 15, 2011, 04:28:15 PM
Hey jobo. The contact came in the summer of 2010, about 9 or 10 months after Bonnie passed, according to a post I read here. I can't help but wonder if Bonnie needed to get this solved in order to be at rest?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on December 15, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/missingperson_view.asp?ID=123.  This is a picture of Noreen.  I can't remember the colour of her hair, but I shall read through again.

It is quite possible Bonnie couldn't rest in peace......
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on December 16, 2011, 11:29:47 PM
Yes glad to see you back on old.geezer. I hope maybe after Christmas and visiting with your sister-in-law you may have some more insight on what happened to my Aunt Noreen. I would be very grateful for any information your sister-in-law picks up on about Noreen. Hopefully 2012 is the year for my family and Noreen to have peace and closure!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: pat02 on January 30, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
I have been reading over about Noreen Greenley on this site. I was born in June of 1963 and my Grandma who lived in Bowmanville at the time died in Aug. of '63. So I asked my Dad who is 85 if he remembered anything about this case he has lived on a farm south of Blackstock for 82 years. He said he doesn't remember hearing anything about Noreen, so I wonder if it really didn't get enough public attention at that time? I have never moved from the area Blackstock, lived in Caesarea for almost 20 years before moving home again 2 years ago. If I can help please let me know and I will keep coming to this sight.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 02, 2012, 10:06:01 PM
Thanks Pat02 for offering your help thats always well needed and very much appreciated well you could help by asking people who you know in the area if they remember anything about Noreen and her disappearance. By the way how did you find out about this site and Noreen?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 03, 2012, 01:49:09 AM
I am always searching to find answers to what has happened to Noreen and sometimes i also look at other cold cases that have happened in the area that are new to this site. There is a new one that has been just posted on this site about a Brian Clark missing since Sept of 1962 at the age of 22 and he was driving a 1955 Morris Oxford Sedan so i decided to look it up because Noreen's sisters described a car that they suspected picked up Noreen at the bus stop that evening so i wanted to see if there was a comparison between the two cars and upon my search i discovered that the 55 Morris Oxford Sedan is a English car with alot of similarities to what was described by Noreens sisters with one person driving who wore a black hat. could it be possible that Brian just decided to leave on his own...he was listed as 22 with 2 children already maybe he couldn't handle that...just thinking...not making judgements ....hmmm
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: cowboypenner on February 08, 2012, 12:52:34 PM
Hi,

After reading thru all 19 pages of this thread I decided to join this messageboard. I've been a resident of this area for about 13 years. After mentioning this case on Facebook I found out that I have a friend who is a friend of the Greenley family and remembers when Noreen went missing. Anyways I joined this messageboard so I could add my 2 cents in the hopes that it might help in some way.

Has anyone ever combed any of the locations where it was suggested she was buried with a metal detector? A metal detector would be able to find a button that was part of the sweatercoat she was wearing that night. Does anyone know if she was wearing a dress or pants that night? If she was wearing pants then she would of almost certainly worn a belt with a metal belt buckle.

Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: cowboypenner on February 20, 2012, 10:30:46 PM
I'm new to this messageboard and this cold case so bear with me. As I explained in the previous post I've lived in the area for about 13 years. I did a little drive around a couple of days ago trying to get my bearings on some of the locations mentioned here. I found Waverly and Old Hwy 2 where the friends house was that she was last seen at. In the area there's a mix of new and old homes. Is the home where she was last seen still stand?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 21, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
Thanks for your interest and help in Noreen's case Cowboypenner my family appreciates it. I don't think the house still exists but i am not totally sure on that hopefully the other members of my family might be able to respond and have an answer for that. As for if she was wearing pants i think she probably was because from what i understand she was more of a pants girl.  I need to try and figure out ways to get certain areas of where she went missing searched but this is hard because things have changed in the area of Bowmanville and it has been so so many years now. I would need to plan something with the public to search on a volunteer basis because the police department wouldn't put out their resources on a whim so to speak like this but i have faith or a feeling so to speak that we will find her this year i am still researching other avenue's to find my Aunt. Please if you think of anything please let us know the more minds we have together the better
thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on February 21, 2012, 07:56:18 PM
My question to the Greenley family is, Does anyone recall where Dave Allison's farm was?  I took a drive down Holt's Road today and noticed that there are a few farms in the area around the train tracks.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 21, 2012, 08:19:52 PM
  In my thinking, you must be looking in the right direction, TLG!  as it makes sense that Noreen must be on untouched farmland....land untouched by progress of the building of Bowmanville over the years.
I don't know who or what farm though, I am not familiar with the area, so I shall digress to the Greenleys'.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 22, 2012, 06:55:43 AM
TLG
you might want to check out Green Road also..there have been comments about this road too...thanks for all this help...i don't know what else to say...thanks always seems too little
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 22, 2012, 07:06:11 AM
I have posted a letter on a website called Disappeared it is a TV show that re-in acts cases of missing people to bring it to the public's attention and review cold cases that are left unsolved. If people could please post a comment on this site for Noreen's case to be featured on their show. All you need to do is google the site for the show Disappeared( sorry i don't know how you attach the link for the site) than just write on where it says to make a comment   "Please pick Noreen Anne Greenley's case to be featured on the show"
Thanks so much everyone
The more people who post the better chances of Noreen's case being featured
Kelly
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on February 22, 2012, 07:19:21 AM
I have sent them a message, and I am now waiting on a reply.  I will keep you posted on their response.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 22, 2012, 07:58:45 AM
I don't think it worked for me, I have to head out for the day, but will try again later.  OR, TLG is there any way you can post the link for us...one that will take us directly to the request page?   
Thanks, like Greenley Family, I too, have trouble with navigating my way around the www with ease... ;)   Thanks!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on February 22, 2012, 08:20:38 AM
Here is the link, I am hoping that it works for everyone. 

http://www.tvrage.com/Disappeared/episode_list
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 22, 2012, 12:33:56 PM
TLG, for some reason, I have a "good feeling" about you ?  I do hope you will get together with anyone in the area where Noreen disappeared - and take your camera.  Take lots of pics.  ... and look for the two trees that appear as one.

- also, I've clicked on the link but can't seem to find where I can choose Noreen's story.  Can someone help me out here. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on February 22, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
TLG, for some reason, I have a "good feeling" about you ?  I do hope you will get together with anyone in the area where Noreen disappeared - and take your camera.  Take lots of pics.  ... and look for the two trees that appear as one.

- also, I've clicked on the link but can't seem to find where I can choose Noreen's story.  Can someone help me out here.

lostlinganer, The Greenley family was asking if we could click on this link, and see if we can get Noreen's story out there.  The more people that request for her story to be aired maybe there is a good chance they will contact the Greenley's.  Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: nightmoves on February 22, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
I will meet TLG or The Greenley Family, I grew up in the area, I will bring all my camera equipment.  Just let me know.  Don't live there now, but only an hour away.
Lots of areas could use a walk over
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 23, 2012, 06:13:21 AM
I just wanted to update people on a psychic reading i had done the other day, i had asked about Noreen's disappearance. I asked her very casually without giving her hardly any information about if she picked up on anything about her disappearance. The conversation started off with her stating that Noreen was out with friends in the evening...then stated that Noreen was picked up and went with a man whom she knew and the family knew..this man was older than her maybe around 20 or 21 and drove a car...Noreen was young and nieve she stated and trusted this man...she stated that things were not the greatest at home for Noreen either...she then stated that Noreen traveled West with this man hiding her out and controlling her and the situation....they moved around continuously all in the out West area of Canada...the psychic stated that she see's the number 6 stated that she believes Noreen lived for 6 years with this man hiding her out and now captive...this man got involved with some bad people with drugs, alcohol and who were emotional and physically abusive....she stated that both this man and Noreen had established addiction problems....she stated that Noreen lived to be around 20....and she see's her remains buried on farmland but somewhere out West and she doesn't see these remains being found.....she see's this man is still alive...but not living in this area.  These statements seem to be convincing enough due to the fact that no one could see Noreen going with anyone that she didn't really know and one of her friend had reported that she heard from her and that she was out in Calgary Alberta and there were sitings reported that were possible Noreen there. I would like to know who this young man could be..i had also heard that Noreens friend Bonnie whom she was with that night her brother had gone out West to live could this be him...all assumptions but its almost adding up but this is just based on a psychic reading.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 23, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
Well, not sure if you want my 10 cents worth or not, but here goes....;)

I believe that Yes, Noreen was picked up and went with a man whom she and the family knew.
I also believe he wasn't that old, a young man.
I believe Noreen is on Farmland.
I believe Bonnie knew more.

Perhaps the connection I could make to the Physcic's vision is the brother that is out West.....can you find Bonnie's death announcement again, and see what it says?   If it lists family members, surviving and pre-deceased?  Maybe we can get info that way.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 23, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
I think the first thing to do is for "one person - the one who is most likely to do this - concentrate on this one aspect of this horrible scenario!" start researching what guys around 20 yo left the area at that time or very shortly after.

consider:
-  he had a vehicle and means.
-  Noreen had to have been either confident about his wanting to "care for her?" or else she had an unknown-to-others attraction to him
-  If indeed they left town together, there has to be others who eventually knew this.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on February 23, 2012, 03:19:30 PM
I just looked up Bonnie Wilkins Woolner death notice...her service was at Morris Funeral Chapel in Bowmanville Ontario and they list her husband, children, grand children by names but does not list her brothers and sisters by name but states that she will be missed by her brothers and sisters it also says about a Charles William Wilkins who was deceased. I was hoping to find a name for her brother the one that went out west..any suggestions on how to find the names of her siblings Bonnie passed away in her home in 2009
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 23, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
GF, there are many Wilkins in the general Calgary area, also surrounding cities and towns like Banff, Cochrane.
 http://www.whitepages.ca/name/Wilkins/Calgary-AB

If he was into drugs (use, that is) some of the places may not have been affordable for him, however if he was a dealer he may have been able to live in any of the more elite places. Like Canmore and Banff.  If you can somehow find a first name for him ...
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 12, 2013, 04:20:40 AM
Paulbembin....I am thinking this "searching for my daughter" is not referring to Noreen, but a child born much later.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 12, 2013, 02:46:49 PM
Noreen disappeared in September, 1963. The child in the poster wasn't born until 1995.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: leonagleant on February 13, 2013, 01:37:40 AM
Re Post by Joyce:

Re: Noreen Greenley | MISSING Sept 1963 | Bowmanville ON

« Reply #198 on: March 27, 2011, 02:42:59 AM »

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In addition to my previous post of the car's route i would also like to add that it is my opinion that Both Gary & Bonnie told Noreen to get into that car. They wanted her to go home so they could be alone and i believe they knew who the driver was as did Noreen. That is the only way Noreen would have even considered getting in. It seems to me that car made one big block which would've put him right on Green Rd where Gary,my brother said that's where you will find Noreen's body,in a shallow grave behind the corn field that was located on Dave Allison's farm house. This leads me to believe that both Gary & Dave knew the driver as well. Gary was between 16 to 18 yrs/old in 1963 & at age 42,he told brother Harvey where Noreen's body could be found. A short time later,he committed suicide by hanging himself leaving behind 3 sons.

        Also, i don't know if Bonnie's two older brothers were ever interviewed by the Police or not,but i believe one of them moved out west shortly after Noreen's disappearance.

___________________________
I do not understand why the corn field near the farm house (Dave Allison's farm house) where Noreen's own brother said she was burried before he (Noreen's own brother) committed suicide has not been searched. Have I got this right? I have read all the posts on here and that is my understanding that Noreen's brother revealed where she is burried before he committed suicide. This sounds pretty compelling to me, even more compelling than psychic predictions. Has this information been taken to the police and have they acted on it to searched Dave Allison's farm? Is Dave Allison still alive? Has anyone tried to reach Dave Allison?

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 13, 2013, 07:06:36 AM
leonagleant.....That is the family's answer as far as I can see.  There needs to be a search on D.A's farm.   Noreen's older brother confided that info to another brother and then committed suicide.

But....why did he kill himself so many years after Noreen's disappearance....  Was it because the secret to where Noreen was/is came out? 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: leonagleant on February 13, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
The family must know more and I imagine it just compounds the pain of the situation to have her own brother implicated in her death. Young people make mistakes, experiment with alcohol, errors of judgement, lapses of ethics. How horrible to have had a role in circumstances leading to one's own sibling's death. That could certainly lead someone to commit suicide.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 14, 2013, 04:30:30 AM
Recently the Police were diggging a property in Apsley, looking for a woman that had disappeared many years ago....(no luck finding her on that particular property)...but my point is that if the Police have good enough evidence they will dig a property even so many years later.
It might be worth it to dig around on D.A's farm.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on February 14, 2013, 01:34:51 PM
Noreen's body may not have been found yet if in that area by tracks due to the fact that the rail companies not only own the tracks but also a certain point on both sides. This would mean that she could be located close to the tracks and never found because that area of tracks would never be dug up.  In less the railroad needs to dig to repair the tracks.  If her body had been buried deep along the tracks she would not be found. However I do know that a body decomposing buried show other signs in the dirt and growth around it.  As the body brakes down the gasses and minerals in our bodies cause the dirt to turn a dark almost black color.  If anyone is around the tracks I suggest looking for growth that is smaller then the rest with the dirt below it looking darker then the rest.  The longer the body is there the darker the color.  Within a few years there would also be a hug amount of beetle like bugs and flies that constantly hatch in that area.  The time frame for the bugs has passed but the soil will still be an off from the rest. No matter the amount of rain in less flooding causing the body to surface. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2013, 01:56:25 PM
It is clear to me that this case will remain unsolved.  Not one cop willing to check a farm, etc, etc.  It is very frustrating to say the least. 

Too lazy - it happened in the past, type of attitude with  LE. In my humble opinion.

I mean when you have a detective keeping the box of potential evidence with files on Noreen's case, underneath his desk and works on it in his own spare time tells me that this case does not have priority in that community.
LE is probably too busy dealing with other issues.  And I bet they are short staffed.

JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Complexnatural on February 18, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
I happened on this site through a facebook share.  My heart aches for the family.  I have lived in and around Bowmanville since 1984.  I have ALWAYS  found the area around Conc 4/Liberty St. to be a very heavy energy area.  After reading all the posts, esp. the ones about the psychic feelings regarding a trailer park and railway line, I drove past where Thistle Valley trailer park used to be on Conc 4, near Lambs Rd.  As a previous poster said, the trailer park is now gone and is a vacant field.  The rail line is about 1/2 km (maybe a bit less) south of where Thistle Valley was located (close to the old Training School).   While I was driving east on Conc 4 and turning south on Lambs Road to the railway tracks, I had such a sense of knowing.  I have quite a bit of psychic ability and much of the time I sense energy (good and bad) but the reasons are unknown to me.  I could puzzle the underlying reason but life is busy and I don't always have the time.  I finally understood the reason for the uncomfortable feelings I have always had in that area was because because of Noreen. I believe that she is in that area, as well.  I stopped at the railway tracks and spoke to her.  I said a prayer and asked her to contact her family in some way so that they may be led to her and she may be put to rest in their hearts.  If I have any contact at all from Noreen, I will definitely post.  Sending love and light to the Greenley family.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on February 18, 2013, 07:48:59 PM
We are planning a search this spring for Noreen. I tried to find the old Allison farm but I was not able to find that exact location.Would anyone know the lot and conession.?  We are going to search any area that people may think we could find her. I am not from that area or any member of my team. I am mapping every area people are mentioning. So far we are looking at starting at Holt rd. We will search any area people feel deserve attention and will plan more then one search if need be.  Please message me privately or continue to post your thoughts. They are all helpful ,and we are all open minded meaning we welcome any input for Noreen. This includes any gossip you may have heard, Physic visions/feelings, and of course any statement made from anyone you may know.If you went to school with Noreen or knew of her friends please message me. I am trying to determine her style in case we find anything I will need to be able to connect it to Noreen or that time period until results can come back from police.If you feel you may have information you do not wish to post public PLEASE message me privately.  Together we can bring her home.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on February 19, 2013, 09:27:19 AM
Hello york3404,

I was thinking that Dave Allison's farm (and other properties) should be listed in the 1963 Land Registry records.  The concession and lot numbers are provided, as well as the dates of any ownership changes.  Perhaps you could schedule a visit to the office before you start your search.  It could also be helpful to check who the Allison's neighbours were in 1963, and check the current record to see if any remain, or their descendants.  Having a chat with them may provide additional information.

Bowmanville Land Registry Office
905-623-3379
City Hall
40 Temperance Street
Bowmanville,  L1C 3A6
Same phone # as above.

Good luck in your search.

HF
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on February 19, 2013, 02:44:35 PM
Quote
I was thinking that Dave Allison's farm (and other properties) should be listed in the 1963 Land Registry records.  The concession and lot numbers are provided, as well as the dates of any ownership changes.  Perhaps you could schedule a visit to the office before you start your search.  It could also be helpful to check who the Allison's neighbours were in 1963, and check the current record to see if any remain, or their descendants.  Having a chat with them may provide additional information.


Good advice Have Faith.

Hopefully the people who own any of the properties you wish to search will be forthcoming in allowing that also, York.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on February 19, 2013, 04:49:25 PM
I should point out that once york3404 finds the concession and lot numbers of the properties he/she is interested in, he should ask to see the property map of the area from 1963, which shows plot lines graphs and helps to locate the present sites geographically.  For example, even if the Allison farm land has changed over the years (subdivided etc) you can get a good idea of where it was located in 1963.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on February 19, 2013, 08:56:14 PM
The best source for information is the city directory in the public library.  I can get everything I need to know about properties and who lived where and when from them. Its more important at this point to familiarize myself with clothing from 60's and they type of style Noreen had. Also if any other crimes had happened around this time. There are so many possibilities at this point. 
 I see Have faith has done some research as you are right about going back in time if I may say. To map out what would have been in 63 is of most importance.  The best scenario at this point is something around the tracks as this area would not change to much. Only because these areas do get high traffic. Farms are constantly fertilized,tilled, and planted making it hard to tell what ground area has be disturbed. Also high fertilized farm soil causes change through out the field changing the soil color constantly.

I will agree there is research to be done. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on February 20, 2013, 07:52:33 PM
I think with all the post going on its hard to place the facts with the facts and stipulation with stipulation. I was trying to take myself back to the 60's when it jumped out at me.  Please correct me if I am wrong but in the 60's lots of people made a life farming.
Meaning I have blood raised farmers in my life especially Dairy.  Where there any dairy farms around Holt rd, Maple Grove, and all other side roads between hwy 2 at the time and all places Noreen could be?. I am simply asking because my uncle was a faithful farmer because dairy cows are high maintanance. He would would milk every 4-6 hours depending on the age of cows and milking took over 2 hours sometimes 3 to complete.  They used to joke about once finishing milking it was time to milk again.  So if you got up at 4 am to milk you would milk 4am,10am,4pm,10pm,4am.  See my pattern. Someone or many farmers would have been out between 11pm-1am and again at 4am. Were the farmers in the area asked if they seen or heard a vehicle at those hours.  What kind of farm did Dave Allison have.? Could he have see someone on the back of his property at the hours between 12am and 4am.  He may even have confronted them.  Just a suggestion but someone had to have seen or heard something around this time.  It was the early 60's and there had to be a ton of farmers.  A warmer Sept night most farmers would have left the cows outside at night with an open barn and fresh bedding for cows to come in.Simply meaning they would have been able to see someone or hear something.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: leonagleant on February 20, 2013, 10:20:45 PM
We don't know enough about the individuals to know if Dave Allison was a teenage contemporary of Noreen's brother and was complicit in this crime. Or if he was the adult owner of the farm at the time who would be elderly or have passed on by now. What age would he be now? There is one person by that name on FB who is a trucker out of Hamilton though I doubt it's the same person.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on February 21, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
York there are two family members on this thread ... one is Greenley Family and the other is Joyce, I believe. Perhaps if you private message them, they may be able to give you more insights and info.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on February 21, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
I have the deepest admiration for Noreen's living relatives in taking on this enormous task to reach some resolution and justice for this missing young girl, who would have been an aunt to them. 

Reminds me so much of Baba Donya and her family who are in the same boat of trying to bring to justice of  the murder of their aunt Alexandria.

I don't know how they can continue on with such great resolve, resiliance and determination.

Boy, if any answers should be forthcoming - this is one family who deserves it.
Note to law enforcement:  Take up this case in a very full time serious manner, and run with it.

Give this file to the Cold Case section, and reactivate it.   
Enough is Enough,
JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 21, 2013, 06:01:56 PM
indeed JB.... well said!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on May 01, 2013, 12:27:23 AM
I just read this whole thread over again... been a year or so stale in my mind.  Nonetheless; I noticed something I would like to question:

from Complexnatural:
Quote
I happened on this site through a facebook share.  My heart aches for the family.  I have lived in and around Bowmanville since 1984.  I have ALWAYS  found the area around Conc 4/Liberty St. to be a very heavy energy area.  After reading all the posts, esp. the ones about the psychic feelings regarding a trailer park and railway line, I drove past where Thistle Valley trailer park used to be on Conc 4, near Lambs Rd.  As a previous poster said, the trailer park is now gone and is a vacant field.  The rail line is about 1/2 km (maybe a bit less) south of where Thistle Valley was located (close to the old Training School).   While I was driving east on Conc 4 and turning south on Lambs Road to the railway tracks, I had such a sense of knowing.  I have quite a bit of psychic ability and much of the time I sense energy (good and bad) but the reasons are unknown to me.  I could puzzle the underlying reason but life is busy and I don't always have the time.  I finally understood the reason for the uncomfortable feelings I have always had in that area was because because of Noreen. I believe that she is in that area, as well.  I stopped at the railway tracks and spoke to her.  I said a prayer and asked her to contact her family in some way so that they may be led to her and she may be put to rest in their hearts.  If I have any contact at all from Noreen, I will definitely post.  Sending love and light to the Greenley family.

Is this the same training center I was referring to/questioning way back in this thread?

post 3412  http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=3175.195
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Did anybody ever question if any of the "abusers" at the Girls Training School/Reformatory in Lindsay, lived near Bowmanville or passed through at that hour?  if so, what they drove?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on May 02, 2013, 07:40:29 AM
Hi Lost,

The Bowmanville training centre was for boys, but was also involved in the abuse allegations.



http://www.restoringdignity.org/news/0009.html (http://www.restoringdignity.org/news/0009.html)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: LA on May 18, 2013, 07:47:44 AM
Hello everyone,

Just want to introduce myself to the group and comment on the incredible passion and energy in these posts!  I happened to fall upon this site searching for missing children in my area (Clarington), my curiosity was sparked by the recent Cleveland breakthrough where 3 girls were found after a decade of captivity.  A renewed sense of hope, faith and community ...
 
I have reviewed all 21 pages and am trying to absorb all the details, facts and speculations as there has been so much information captured in the past 2 odd years.  I think the challenge for me is that I need the see the information displayed visually with some sort of timeline.  I will see what I come up and if I am able to, I will post it on this site. 

The one lead that really needs to be investigated is the potential resting place of Noreen on the Allison farm.  Can someone confirm if any research has been done in locating the Allison Farm with land details from 1963, if so can this information be shared?  If not, I am willing to take this on as I live in the next town.  My family moved to the area almost a decade ago so we aren't familiar with the landscape back in 1963 but we have developed friendships with several families that have lived in Bowmanville all their lives and some of whom are farmers so I will be asking some questions.

LA
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Sarah420 on May 25, 2013, 09:50:24 AM
I'm only in my 30s but I grew up outside of Bowmanville, and a lot of the names in these articles are familiar to me. The thought that this could happen to such a nice family in such a small town, a town in which I have walked the very roads that Noreen had walked at the same age that she had walked them, well, that really hits close to home. Some of the facts that I have read through troubles me deeply. I would never want to point fingers, but I would like to know weather or not Bonnie or her now husband were ever suspected in the abduction. If so, I would find it interesting to read over the questioning process. I have read brief statements that were made by Bonnie, but nothing of Mr. Woolner, or the bus driver. I would like to know how they were each questioned. Something doesn't add up there. I also wanted to mention that just west of Bowmanville on the north side of King St. there is an opening a little ways back from the road, now it has a trailer or two on it, but it might of had more back in the 60's. I think looking for an old park, might be a good place to look. I wish all the family the best of luck, and if there is anything that I can ever do to help, I would be more then happy to do so. Even if its just to trek through the bush to start digging, I'd be more than happy to do so...good luck in your investigation. I wish you the very best.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Sarah420 on May 25, 2013, 11:19:33 AM
I've been doing my own bit of research about Noreen's case that might help. Bowmanville's a small town and people talk. I know its only talk, but I would think that at this point it might be worth looking into. I don't want to post this on here, because if its not true, then it could be very devastating to the individual in question. I don't want to put my email on here either, but I had to give my address to sign up for this site so I'm sure you can get it, if not I think you can send me a private message, that will be fine.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on May 25, 2013, 07:17:05 PM
I haven't posted on here for some time simply because we are in full swing of investigating this case.  I can't comment on to many things in the open, but I will inform those interested that I have located the old Allison farm, and we are not ruling out anything at this point.   The hardest part thus far is simply tracking down people and getting them to feel confident in the research that is being done.  We have graphed a large area of Bowmanville and will continue to rule out locations as we search them.  At this point I am hoping anyone that has information we find and ask the right questions and second we can side with them and have them understand that at this point I want any information there is and I am not about to doubt anyone about what info they have. I know police are more septic but honestly its about bring Noreen home and not so much about the justice anymore.  The family just wants her to come home, and we are planning on that happening weather its tomorrow or a few more years we will continue to search for her.

In the police defense we have to be understanding of the times and era that crimes like this were happening.  We have learned so much from the lack of information collected during investigations like this one that we have learned so much from what they didn't do. Yes it makes it extremly hard to go back in time when they were unable to collect evidence simply because they were uneducated about what kinds of things to ask and what kinds of things to note. Like the body language of people they questions or their surroundings.  Police were more used to young girls wanting to be rebels and runaways then the likely hood of them being kidnapped.  Yes there mistakes especially in this case but again we have to focus on what we have learned and what info we have.

Feel free to message me privately if you want to be a part of the search or if you think you have any info weather it is straight from the source of third party we can rule out info as we research it, and I don't want to make the mistake of not taking someone seriously just because. I have no excuses for that mentality and we will continue to take all info seriously.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on May 27, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
I am happy to see some more people are interested in finding out what happened to Noreen.  I hope you can all get together and make a difference....It is nice to see so many strangers care about what happened to a young girl so many years ago.
I wish you all luck in finding answers.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on June 02, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
If anyone is interested, I am interested as well to take a walk along D Allison's farm and the railway tracks...I get goosebumps everytime I drive down Holts Road and in around that area...I know there are still a few farms in that area, and I am sure if we knock on their doors they won't mind if we walk along their property lines...Please let me know if anyone is interested sometime this week to do so.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: TLG on June 02, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
I was doing a bit of research on the computer about D Allison's farm...Does anyone know or recall if he had any children...I did find an Allison's farm in Georgetown Ontario...I will post the link...Just a thought....

http://www.ontariofarmfresh.com/regions.php?region=Greater+Toronto+Area
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Late Night TV on September 21, 2013, 08:02:27 PM
[Quote from Joyce Greenley - one of the sisters of the missing person]

Back in 1963 when old #2 Hwy and Waverly Rd used to meet,that is where Noreen got into that car on that night. The car then headed west on #2 from the bus stop ( according to the neighbors across the street ) till it got to Maple Grove Rd where it turned south. When it reached Bloor St, it then went West again on Bloor till it reached Holts Rd where it then turned North, went passed our house and continued North of Hwy 2. I think the person driving the car took this route to avoid detection but didn't count on Noreen seeing someone she would recognize. She saw me, Darleen Goodwin and Sharon Mothersill walking south on the East side of Holts Rd.

That's probably why she grabbed the wheel which caused the car to swerve toward us forcing us to jump into the ditch. Noreen was screaming as the car went on by to try and let us know it was her in that car so that we could run home and get help for her. Dad & Harvey [brother] immediately got into the car to try and catch up to them but to no avail. When dad & Harvey got back to the house, dad called the Police.


Comments:

This seems to be the only credible lead in the case.

Interestingly, Joyce Greenly, Darleen Goodwin and Sharon Mothersill, followed by Harvey Greenley Sr. and Harvey Greenley Jr.  became aware that Noreen was in peril several hours before it would otherwise have become known. It is unfortunate the girls did not have the presence of mind to get the license plate of the vehicle.

It is worthy of note, that this lead also suggests that Noreen knew she was in peril at the time the car drove by her sister and her friends walking along Holts Road. Ironically, it seems possible that the car was initially heading toward the Greenley home.

Bonnie and Gary's responses may seem odd but this may have more to do with feeling ashamed for getting caught doing something 'immoral' during the period of time that preceded Noreen's disappearance, rather than they're being complicit with any criminal involvement.

The police did not reveal this 'drive-by' lead to the public at first, likely because doing so could have spooked the driver of the car and caused him to take steps to conceal evidence and cover his tracks. In any event, the driver would certainly have become spooked after he became aware that Joyce, Darlene and Sharon saw Noreen in his car and it appears he did take steps to conceal evidence and cover his tracks.

This seems like an abduction by a serial predator. The suspect is likely known to police. The person could be in jail or deceased.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: leonagleant on May 30, 2014, 11:31:34 PM
http://www.canadasmissing.ca/nmcd-jned/greenley-eng.htm?fb
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: capeheart on May 31, 2014, 10:59:48 AM
My thoughts and prayers to the Greenley family. Noreen had to be afraid there that night waiting for the bus. It is so sad that her friend and boyfriend did not wait with her until the bus came. I know even when I was older and we were in our city here, my friends waited with me until the 11:00 o'clock bus. I never ever waited alone for the bus and this was on a city street, with lights and everything and people walking, but we never waited alone.  I dare say this was an unusual place she was waiting and she would be alone there, sad that had to happen. She may have been snatched right off the road, just like that. Likely the same as Amber Kirwan, who was murdered two years ago in New Glasgow. She was waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up and was abducted and murdered and three week later, her body was found in a graveyard, she had been brutally murdered. Her killer was found and he is now serving time. Solving crimes today, there are more forensic tools available and the police are trained better to deal with such crimes. Even after all this time, I hope the family does get some answers or even have a viable suspect. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on June 20, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
If anyone has physical features of Noreen could you please send me a private message. We don't have much to go on and we have been having issues getting in contact with surviving family members.Thank You
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: joyce on June 21, 2014, 01:42:36 AM
Does this help?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on June 21, 2014, 06:06:29 AM
Here are more physical details for Noreen from the link Leonagleant posted

Sweater  Pink
Jewelry  Metal, Silver, Aluminum, Stainless Steel, thin necklace with blue pendant
Jeans  Black
Purse  Dark Blue, dome fastener, change purse with $0.70 inside
Blouse  White
Scar Right Knee, Centre of knee cap
Other Left Chest, Brown mole left breast
Mark Left Knee, birth mark
Other Nose, freckles


Missing Since   September 14, 1963
Year of Birth   1950
Age at Disappearance   13
Gender   Female
Bio Group   White
Eye Colour   Blue
Hair   Brown , Shoulder
Teeth   Good
Height   157cm / 61 inches
Weight   45kg / 99lb
Build   Slender/Thin
Complexion   Light/Fair



Is this what you were asking for York3404?

I'm not sure how it is known how much money she had in her purse?

Logical

 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on June 21, 2014, 06:13:40 AM
After reading back through this thread, I notice talk about skating and something about Noreen talking about a skater, a girl from Alberta.    Made me think of Kelly Cook from Standard, Alberta that went missing and found murdered in Chin Lake back in 1981.  That murder was not solved either.  Could the perp have gone from Ontario to Alberta?    In the Kelly Cook murder, the perps original target was a figure skater, but she was not available to "babysit" and gave Kelly's number to the perp.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on June 21, 2014, 07:54:45 AM
Thank you logical that dose help.
I have a photo of her but I have no physical features to go on. The only thing that would be an amazing help would be to locate a photo of her parents or either parent. Reasoning if Noreen was held captive for some time she could have aged and I may be able to put together an age progressed sketch of her. With that we may be able to match her to a Jane Doe that very well is just waiting to be ID. After much investigation in this case and many many many searches. Without putting to much out there as it's only my conclusions, but I have been able to match some things that very well may point to her being abducted that night and she could have been held for some time years maybe even. At this age everything about her would have changed, her body shape, height, depending how well she was cared for very well would have changed her body type slender or obese depending on what her abductors goal were.She may have or may not have given birth ect. This would all depend on how long she was held for or even if she escaped.  She very well could have been taken anyplace especially since in 1963 our road ways  were just getting started. We barley had a 401 and trans Canada hwy was nothing like it is today.   
If anyone knows the family and can contact them pls let them know I have been trying to get in contact with them since our last conversations. :)
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on June 21, 2014, 09:46:01 AM
There are at least two members here that are part of the Greenley family. I'm sure you know that Joyce, who responded to your request by posting the picture above, is a sister. Perhaps one of these two members could help with a picture of the parents? Have you tried reaching them by pm?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on June 21, 2014, 10:20:59 AM
A couple of other questions regarding the car she was seen in, potentially a ford prefect 1957 -1959 model, was it a left or right hand drive, when she passed Joyce and friends was Noreen on your side of the car, or on the opposite side, a witness account and car identification said it was this model and blue metallic?

What time did she pass you on the road? What direction was the car headed ( was the car headed toward you or came from behind you) Why were all of the kids out and about walking at midnight, were the parents worried, what time was Noreen expected home?  I grew up in the country and always had a curfew, even if we were just out and about and at 13, I was not allowed out that late on my own?  I know times have changed since then, but just thinking out loud.

The only left hand ford perfects were made in Canada, all other models made in Australia etc were right hand drive. If it is left, there would be less car owners to search from that time? Hundreds of thousands of these cars were made.

Although it is stated that the Anglia and poplar were similar models of ford cars in that era, and when you think back to the Paul Bernardo case, the witness saw a camero or something but that was inaccurate, colour was correct make and model was not.

Did Joyce or her friends recognize the car? Did anyone in the family know someone with a similar car?  Had they ever seen this car around town, before or after her disappearance? The witness (neighbour of Bonnies watching the bus stop) who told the car description and make said she got in the car and sat close to the driver.

I do not want to be hurtful to any of the Greenly family but the suicide of the brother is very troubling with the few details mentioned of it. Why more than 22 years later would he say where to find her remains and then commit suicide.  Was there more to the story he told, it is hard to fathom that Harvey would not have tried to ask more questions, understand how he knew this and why tell now? Did Gary say it was Dave Allison? How did he get brought into the situation?

One post made a statement that it was not a good time for Noreen at home, is this true, would she have gone off with this person intentionally, was Noreen really yelling for help, or was she just trying to yell and say hi, did the driver swerve or did Noreen grab the wheel?  If you know that Noreen made the car swerve then you must have been able to see into the car, did you see what the driver was wearing, did he have a hat on? The witness I mention above said he had on a hat.

Sorry a ton of questions here, hope I did not upset anyone, I only want to see if we can start new conversations here and not rehash what we think we know.

Thanks
Logical
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on June 21, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Sorry cannot get this off my mind today, question for York3404, I am under the impression you are law enforcement and wonder if you have seen the original police reports, was it ever mentioned about the car and Joyce's sighting? I know I read it was kept quiet so not to scare off the perp, but why would they not report on this, it was too crucial of a lead not to share with the public and see who may know someone or acquaintance with that car? Four years later when Marrianne Shuett was abducted they put out the car details immediately?

Another thought, if Noreen had planned to run away, possibly Bonnie knew and this is why she was acting in the manner she was? I remember around 15, life was so in your face and so emotional and dramatic, we thought we were mature and knew better than adults, but we were thinking with an immature mind.  I am skeptic to think Bonnie was involved in her disappearance, a witness saw her at the bus stop and get in a car. Bonnie was more interested in her boyfriend that evening, ( understandable at 15, maybe parents were to be home soon and she did not have much time left to fool around with him before they got home)but I doubt that she was watching out the window to see her friend get into a car or onto a bus.

I remember when Cameron Marche went missing and I had the detectives visit me, I was 10 or 11, it freaked me out scared me to the core, someone had told police I saw him at the killbride store. I had not; just another kid with a similar shirt on ( it had a monkey on it). When they spoke to me all I could do is say no I had not and then cried for days.  I felt like I was being accused of something, I was not but at a young age you interpret things differently. I thought they thought I was lying because they kept asking if I was sure and so many questions I did not know answers to. It got back to school mates that I was questioned and the rumours were going in all directions, so I can understand Bonnie at 15 and her reactions that have been posted here.

Logical
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on July 03, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2thBYi7KXA - 1958 model

This is a British car. Did we have them in Canada.  (Left hand drive?)

JB
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on July 05, 2014, 07:39:49 AM
Okay Everyone I have to admit I don't normally do this, but to be honest I have gotten a lot more information from everyone here working with us to solve this case. I can't tell you why I am posting this but I will tell you we believe we have made a connection with another girl that went missing in the 60s not far from where Noreen went missing. With this abduction two men seen a car and a good script of the man. I really need to know if any of you know weather this hat looks similar to the one seen worn by the man that was spotted with Noreen. It's called a Fedora. Also man was seen driving a car similar to a Renault.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=fedora&tbm=isch&imgil=1HPTyB6cavxy2M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQYvuAR7WVmizJwN48u3WdSEgmRNkvRZCleZjtrar7cQm-8TgVYWg%253B466%253B382%253BC2dqP0HWepNbHM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fglee.wikia.com%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFedora.jpg&source=iu&usg=__uSnsdWvLznaQUb7tBPZ0hJwdgs0%3D&sa=X&ei=Gv23U-vWEefI8wHq6YHQDw&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ9QEwBQ&biw=1920&bih=979#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=1HPTyB6cavxy2M%253A%3BC2dqP0HWepNbHM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%252F__cb20131223063039%252Fglee%252Fimages%252F1%252F1e%252FFedora.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fglee.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFedora.jpg%3B466%3B382

"Two workers driving home from the nearby American Motors plant saw a man in a dark blue Renault station wagon or a small or compact size European model, dark blue or black in color, with a chrome section across the back. This man was at the side of the road talking out of the window to a little girl in a red coat. One of the workers saw in his rear view mirror how the girl got into the car, which then drove straight past her home." End quote this is from the other missing girl case. I don't want to put her name as to alarm ppl but the OPP aren't whiling to listen yet so I really need your help.  I believe Noreen got into this car and this man is linked to both girls. I just made the connection at 3am this morning we are working around the clock on this. Please would anyone know as I know three girls seen the car that night with Noreen in it. I feel they look similar and ppl could have thought it was a Ford Prefect but it could it also have been a Renault that she got into.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Renault+car+1960s&tbm=isch&imgil=PV6KLU-qZMadHM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQc6SvbQxUtt-DMDVGC_Uih30fI95JVDFBXCmv5-17kiihEYuo8%253B500%253B317%253BJPMTV7kK74lgJM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.creativecloseup.com%25252Febay-watch-1960s-renault-dauphine-car&source=iu&usg=__yBuG_XrW4V0AOpqnNNum9TuleXo%3D&sa=X&ei=X_y3U5KnOsSMqAaonoCwDw&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAg&biw=1920&bih=979#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=PV6KLU-qZMadHM%253A%3BJPMTV7kK74lgJM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.creativecloseup.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F04%252Fb58aa__6a00d83451cbb069e2017d42a78571970c-800wi.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.creativecloseup.com%252Febay-watch-1960s-renault-dauphine-car%3B500%3B317

THANK YOU EVERYONE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN A PART OF THIS CONNECTION. I will not say who sent me a PM about the hat bothering you but your message gave me goosebumps and I know when I get them it's a connection I can not explain. Please if you think this man could be the man involved in both cases and this hat and car very well match what was seen with Noreen that night. Also I will post the link in the cases once I get a response from this message. THANK YOU AGAIN EVERYONE
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on July 05, 2014, 02:34:32 PM
Thanks York. I Believe this is her parents. If the link is broken I just googled Noreen Greenly and it is the second link on the page.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://media.zuza.com/662B59BC-7C0E-4AF7-8BF9-D936E7FC5353/CZ_GreenleyDisappearance50th_2_Content.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/4086670-fifty-years-of-searching-for-missing-bowmanville-girl/&h=270&w=360&tbnid=CttKYZasi6JctM:&zoom=1&docid=pHTFHElXaX5AQM&hl=en&ei=cl64U9y4EMmG8QH9o4HgBw&tbm=isch&client=safari&ved=0CCEQMygEMAQ

Here is some history on Fedora type hats, they were fizzing out in the early 60's - it could have been warn as a disguise.



 http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/03/01/bringing-back-the-hat/

Fedoras were once considered de rigueur for men going out in public and a necessary accessory to formal and business attire. While once mainstream, a man in a fedora is now seen as a trendsetter. Fedoras are soft, usually made of felt, creased lengthwise down the crown, and pinched on both sides. Obviously you cannot pair a fedora with jeans and a polo. They are only an appropriate accent for dressier outfits. But the payoff — loads of style, class, and confidence — make dressing up worth it. Fedoras will make you look manly and a bit mysterious. Worn by Prohibition-era gangsters, almost all of the movie stars of the 1940s, and Old Blue Eyes himself, donning a fedora puts you in touch with a truly luminous and manly heritage.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on July 05, 2014, 06:06:31 PM
Fedora's were worn in the 60's. Very different from the 40's.  They were not called Fedora's, they are on this link
e-bay has them.  I have pictures of my grandfather wearing one.

They were common wear for older men - white color types usually, I would think.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=mens+headwear+1960+circa&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bZK4U_a5McfqoAT7gYKYCg&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=445#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Y3Wkt1jskbYPmM%253A%3B1LdLJbOqYmVPXM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthumbs2.ebaystatic.com%252Fd%252Fl225%252Fm%252Fmls6V3lmSh9OF62BLwI_UTQ.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fsch%252Fi.html%253F_mPrRngCbx%253D1%2526_nkw%253D1960%252Bhat%252Bmen%3B225%3B180

https://www.google.ca/search?q=mens+headwear+1960+circa&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bZK4U_a5McfqoAT7gYKYCg&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=445
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on July 07, 2014, 09:58:52 PM
In 1963, the "dying breed of men" who wore that type of hat, never went out without it.  He would be a man who had one for daily wear and if he was serious about his hat and not too poor, he would have a clean shinny one for dress up.  He would also probably have a straw one for the hot weather; but the style would always be "his style".  At the time, those men would be in their late forties I'd say.  ... maybe even early fifties.  My father wore one of those all his life ... never left the house without it.  He had a scruffy one for the jobs (a carpenter by trade) and they never wore hard hats in those days.... so always needed the hat for protection from the hot sun.  I also noticed certain ethnic groups more bred into wearing that type of hat.  ... such as Italians and other Europeans.  These men usually always worked outdoor trades and/or farming .. whereas, construction metal workers, plumbers etc. wore caps because a hat would blow off their head.  ...and of course, white collar workers wore that type of hat (if they wore a hat).    It has always had me wondering if the guy wearing the hat, took it from someone else, or had it left in his car.  .... as if the hat was just a "cocky mood" that guy was in that night.  ... just more food for thought!  My gut feeling is that they hat is key in identifying that man.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on July 08, 2014, 10:09:04 AM
Great post Lost! Thank you for all that info, I grew up with military and pilots for family so headdress was of a different style, but the respect that is given to headdress is big, so it is nice to learn the emotions are similar for other hat styles and the individual wearing it.

I read that it was a dying style and wondered if the use of the hat was for the abduction (s) as well.

The more we dig here the more I think of Marrianne Shuett in Kilbride, the car is similar, I think witness saw a hat on the driver too.

Kilbride is like Bowmanville, small country town, quiet, nice, many many many cars going through town that are not locals, easy access to side roads and country back roads and the 401. Kilbride you would exit through Derry road and then Trafalger to the 401. Or through Campbellville to 401 and Carlisle to hwy 6 which then goes to QEW or 401. The roads are dark, the driveways are long and the homes are hidden by trees and foliage for the most part. And we kids in the country walked/biked wherever we felt like, we felt safe, even if you did not know the person you always helped if they were lost.


Logical
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on July 08, 2014, 07:52:28 PM
Hi York.... What is meant by a chrome section across the back?  What could that be?

quote: dark blue Renault station wagon or a small or compact size European model, dark blue or black in color, with a chrome section across the back."

Here is a 1969 Renault with chrome across the back.  Only in production for 3 years.  Other Renaults, 1963 were lacking in chrome embellishments.

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/carspecs.php/?see=3347
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on July 09, 2014, 07:23:53 PM
Thank you everyone for your dedication to this case. I have since been able get back in contact with family members and we are pushing forward. I will follow up when I can and please do not get offended if I am not able to get back to you the same day you send me message. I promise I will once I get a chance I always do.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on July 10, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
Appreciate the updates, york3404.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on July 10, 2014, 10:57:47 PM
York; I though you might want to print out the following page and show it around to the applicable people... see just who all in those neighboring communities (wild punks like to play big guy with daddy's or uncle's car in any town but their own) might have been joy riding with one of these cars a lot.... or who in Noreen's community owned one of these cars that might have been driven by a wild son, relative etc. .. or local thug.... could even have been a visiting punk from out of town using a relative's car (where he was visiting) to play "big shot" and maybe even get away with rape/s and/or murder.  One thing is for sure; whomever did this to Noreen was in the position to be "cocky" that night... maybe because he wouldn't be staying around there for any period of time... like a visiting relative or someone home for a weeks vacation from another city, ... someone with a weekend pass, or something like that! ... and another thing is for sure, this guy probably did it before Noreen and after Noreen .... just takes the right digging, or lifting the right rock to find the snake.  Here is the link to print out and show around to find out if one of those imported cars was known to the general public.... could even have been owned by a quiet old man or old woman for that matter.  http://ca.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViyCa79TP1gAqJ4XFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=yhs-Chitika-d2s_a&va=Vintage+British+cars+1950s&hspart=Chitika&hsimp=yhs-d2s_a&vm=r 

I wonder if the authorities had complaints about such that season... there and in neighboring towns.     

modified to add:  I was just in another Ontario thread that led me to some digging..... in doing so, I came up a few pics of guys in blue collar work... and just as I said.... you will always find those odd guys who still wore their traditional "fedora" ... a tradition usually handed down by the father.  Notice how the hat makes the, otherwise ordinary blue collar worker, stand out as a prouder, a little more independent guy.  On this link, you will notice that in the first few pics.   http://ua593.com/history_ua593.php#
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on July 11, 2014, 10:05:35 AM
This is one of the oldest missing person's cases listed here at UC. In September Noreen will have been missing for fifty one years. There is still hope that she will be found.
 

If you have information on this case, please contact any of the following:


1.Durham Regional Police Service : 905-579-1520 Ext 5400, email - Oshawa@drps.ca
Reference Case#: 1963-2112


2.Crime Stoppers: 1-800-222-TIPS(8477) or online at https://www.tipsubmit.com
Crime Stoppers provides anonymous tipping


3.Send email to the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains at:
canadasmissing-disparuscanada@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

picture enlarges nicely
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: york3404 on November 05, 2014, 01:17:23 AM
Well it's been a long two years, and even tho we have made connections we didn't have before I have to admit we will continue looking.  :-X
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on November 05, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
At least you ARE looking and trying to find answers.  That is a huge help to the cause to find Noreen, and maybe some truth to what happened to her.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on November 06, 2014, 12:46:40 PM
York, maybe look into Clarence Albert Peacock. His pic is a cut and paste of the perp drawing for Marrianne Schuett and I believe the suspect descriptions were similar in Noreen's abduction?


http://www.yrp.ca/coldcases8195.aspx

He went by Albert Peacock, found murdered, strangled 1991

Here is an article with MS suspect drawing

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2942514-what-really-happened-to-marianne-schuett-/

Eerie similarity in the pic, I apologize if he was another innocent murdered party but am curious to know more about him, only because as searching other info his pic popped up just after I saw the MS perp pic and could not get over the similarity?

Logical

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on November 07, 2014, 10:12:54 PM
here is the description of Marianne Schuett's case:  including a sketch of the car and the suspect... might be good to have them here in case the links go dead in the future.  and I think you are onto something Logical.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on November 07, 2014, 10:32:28 PM
this looks like the suspect for Marrianne Schuett's disappearance.   and I am enclosing a snipit of the police article on his death.  I did this because chances are next time I look for them, they'll be gone.  If you guys want this and the post previous to it removed, just tell me.  I don't want to distract from Noreen.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: butterflies on November 11, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to the Greenley family. I have been reading this thread for awhile and just wanted to share some thoughts. Please correct me if i'm wrong I am just thinking out loud. I don't want to step on toes or accuse anyone. I keep coming back to this "baseball coach"..

I just have a few questions. Where both Gary's around the same age? Did they possibly have friends/acquaintances  in common? Is there a possibility of a third person being present that night? Did this baseball coach also coach boys and girls baseball ie: coach either of the Garys?? Could he have been a predator??

Just a thought - what if Noreen missed the bus, returned back to Bonnie's with the hope of her letting her in- instead Bonnie or Gary suggested she grab a ride home with a "third person" (so they could both be left alone). Someone who was older with a car?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: butterflies on November 11, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
The person who picked up Noreen that fateful night must have had some standing in the community, or why would so many people cover for him.  I find it alarming that no one has come forward after all this time.  Would they be in trouble with police if they came forward now after all these years?  Having covered up information so long ago.  The family needs answers, I think that is all they're asking for now.  To bring Noreen home for a decent burial.

Again just thinking out loud, maybe the people covering for him were victims themselves? afraid to speak out or too embarrassed, maybe they were threatened??
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: MAGPIE on December 16, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Does anyone know the name of the suspect in Marianne Schuett's case?
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: MAGPIE on December 17, 2014, 11:31:03 PM
Logical...This pic is not Noreen's parents..It is her brother and sister!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Logical on December 18, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
My deepest apologies for the incorrect assumption MAGPIE.

Best Regards
Logical
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: MAGPIE on December 18, 2014, 05:13:41 PM
Here is the name of our group that our family has created on fb for Noreen Anne Greenley, it is an open group..any info would be appreciated by our family................Back to September 14th 1963, when Noreen Anne Greenley Disappeared
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: MAGPIE on December 18, 2014, 05:15:55 PM
Logical, That's ok, I just wanted to correct that!
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on January 04, 2015, 11:59:18 AM

http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/4086670-fifty-years-of-searching-for-missing-bowmanville-girl/




 Fifty years of searching for missing Bowmanville girl
Noreen Greenley disappeared Sept. 14, 1963. Her family is struggling to understand how 50 years later there have been no arrests, no body found, no progress made

Sabrina Byrnes / Metroland
WHITBY -- Siblings Shelley and Mark Greenley are still struggling with the fact that is has been 50 years since their sister Noreen Greenley, who was 13 at the time, vanished without a trace while waiting for a bus in Bowmanville on September 14, 1963. No arrests have been made nor a body recovered. September 17, 2013

It could happen today, but police would be more likely to solve the case
Abductions account for one per cent of missing kids, and of those two thirds are parental abductions.
Statistically, stranger abductions are usually committed by a white man between 20 and 40 years old. If a victim is murdered, it’s usually within three hours, according to retired Durham police officer Myno Van Dyke.
   
Bowmanville might be safer today than it was in 1963, according to Mr. Van Dyke.
Studies show the crime rates are down, but increased awareness has people more aware of the crimes that occur today. 
   “
If you went to Bowmanville 20 years ago it was hopping, kids everywhere, cars roaring, liquor and marijuana charges,” said Mr. Van Dyke.
“Not to say it wouldn’t happen today. We have the techniques and skills to do it better than we did before.”
   
Police investigative techniques have improved in the past 50 years. There is better communication between the police department and media. 
   
The Amber Alert, named for an abducted and murdered child in the U.S., is a tool used to quickly notify a large number of people about a missing child, using breaking news bulletins and message boards. 
   
Police databases have improved. Today if a car was suspected to be involved with a missing person, police can search and find every instance of the same model of car being involved with an abduction. 
   
Search capabilities of the Ministry of Transportation records for vehicle owners are much more advanced.
   A bigger population means a greater chance of a witness, explained Durham Detective Terry Haight.
Most people now carry the ability to take video, call police and do GPS tracking on their cellphones. 
   
“I know they tried their best in 1963,” said Mr. Van Dyke.
Clarington This Week
By Jennifer O'Meara
CLARINGTON -- The night air was unseasonably cool on Sept. 14, 1963. Noreen Greenley, 13, left her best friend’s house late that evening to catch a bus home, but dashed back to borrow a sweater. Then she set out again for the 11:30 p.m. Bowmanville bus, and seemingly vanished off the face of the earth.

Noreen and her friend Bonnie Wilkins had spent that Saturday evening bowling with Bonnie’s new boyfriend, Gary Woolner, at Liberty Bowl. Afterwards the slight teen -- five-feet two-inches tall and 100 pounds -- went with her friends to a local restaurant before heading for Bonnie’s house at Waverley Road and the old Hwy. 2. But Bonnie wanted to be alone with her boyfriend, so Noreen left to catch the bus home.

Later, police would be told that when the bus driver drove past the stop Noreen should have been waiting at, no one was there.

“She’s 13 years old and has never been found. We’re all just guessing as to what happened. Nobody knows,” said Durham Regional Police Detective Terry Haight. “There’s no indication she was murdered or ran away.”

Police know very little about what happened to Noreen, a middle child in a Bowmanville family of seven children.

At the time of their older sister’s disappearance, Mark and Shelley Greenley were too young to remember many details about her.

But for as long as they can remember they have had a horror movie playing in their heads around her disappearance. At the time, police received a report of a Ford Prefect -- a fairly uncommon car model -- spotted near the bus stop around the time she went missing.

In their darkest thoughts, Mark and Shelley Greenley, now in their 50s, picture their sister standing at the Bowmanville bus stop late that night, when the Ford Prefect pulls up. Noreen worked at a gas bar in town and the siblings imagine her abductor was familiar to her. Noreen made the fatal mistake of getting in the car.

Their sister Joyce Greenley, 12 then, said she was walking with friends that night when a car swerved by, almost hitting them, and she believes she heard Noreen’s scream before the car disappeared down Holt Road. Their father and older brother chased after the car without finding it.

“I think she was abducted, raped and brutally murdered -- beaten to death. That’s what I’m seeing in my mind over and over again,” said Mark Greenley, who was just three years old at the time. “I think she’s buried within a 30-mile radius of Bowmanville.”

Police do have the story about Noreen’s scream being heard from a passing car on file. But Det. Haight said because Noreen was not seen, it’s unclear who screamed, or if it happened at all.

That detail was not released in the initial media coverage, or shared with the more than 400 volunteers who searched the area north of Hwy. 401 to Concession Road 3 for Noreen in the days following her disappearance.

The teenager’s disappearance hit her family like a meteor. Her father, John ‘Harvey’ Greenley, died from a blood clot a few years later. Her mother, Nadine Greenley, “climbed inside a bottle and never came back out,” remembers Mark. The older children moved out of the family home and the younger children went into foster care.

Before Nadine Greenley died, her children promised their mother they would keep looking for Noreen’s remains.

After all these years, the search is a heavy burden that has unearthed more questions than answers for the Greenley siblings. In their minds, their sister was surrounded by potential monsters.

“There isn’t a day I drive by Bowmanville and I don’t wonder if I’m driving over her,” said Shelley Greenley, who was just a baby in 1963. “Whoever the coward is, have the decency to man up and give us the remains. Phone in anonymously and give us the remains so we can bury her with my Mom and Dad.”

Noreen Greenley’s disappearance is the oldest missing person/homicide case for Durham Regional Police.

The Greenley siblings are frustrated with the police. They feel they’re being brushed off and even lied to. When human remains were found in Bowmanville a few years ago, they are told it wasn’t their sister with no explanation of how police determined that. They call in tips and never hear back, so they assume that police aren’t doing anything for Noreen.

Det. Haight said tips come in sporadically. He said police do follow up, but so far it’s just been stories, without evidence or witnesses to back them up.

“To date it’s all been disputed rumours and speculation,” said Det. Haight. “It’s getting more challenging as time goes on, people’s memories fade and stories and rumours become remembered as fact.”

At this point Mark and Shelley Greenley want a copy of their sister’s file. They want to do their own digging or hire a private investigator to look into the case.

“It’s 50 years, let us have a copy of the file. They’re not searching for her. They’re not doing anything on her behalf,” said Mr. Greenley.

Det. Haight said since the investigation is still active, police will not share the investigative file. If it was released it would make any prosecution impossible if the case ever makes it to courts, according to the detective.

“It’s a crime that should have been solved with a little luck. There are very few unsolved homicides in the area,” said retired Durham police officer Myno Van Dyke, a Clarington history buff and a member of the Newcastle historical society.

The former cop has taken an interest in the cold case. In recent years he’s been trying to keep people from forgetting about Noreen, with presentations to local church and service groups.

“I think it’s a solvable crime. I’m just hoping people who know something about it are still around,” said Mr. Van Dyke. “Unfortunately for 50 years this has been a black cloud over their heads. The family doesn’t deserve that and certainly Noreen doesn’t deserve that.”

Reporter Jennifer O'Meara covers the Municipality of Clarington for Metroland Media Group’s Durham Region Division
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 20, 2015, 05:50:36 PM
The Greenley Family has started a Facebook Group and we welcome everyone to join. We are having overwhelming success with this group and we are going to be featured on Talk Durham on March 26, 2015 profiling Noreen Greenley's disappearance . We are also organizing a walk " Walk to Remember " Noreen Anne Greenley on May 23, 2015 in Bowmanville Ontario. So please join us on our Facebook Gruop called Back to September 14, 1963 when Noreen Anne Greenley Disappeared
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on January 20, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
That is wonderful Greenley family that media are becoming involved now. Lets hope and pray some answers come out of all this and Noreen can rest in peace. Long overdue. Keep up the great work for answers. 
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: itdoesntmatter on January 26, 2015, 03:15:34 PM
Greenley Family, I'm trying to send you some pictures via the messaging system but I'm not quite sure how to.  Anyone on here know?  When you get them please take a very very close look at them.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: itdoesntmatter on January 27, 2015, 10:31:05 AM
Thankx a bunch SAP
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: SAP on January 27, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Thankx a bunch SAP

You are welcome Itdoesn'tmatter. I have removed the link now that you saw it, just in keeping with the no FB link policy here.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: PE1964 on March 11, 2015, 02:17:01 PM
In 1963 I was in Kindergarten at a school in West Hamilton when a stranger in a vehicle tried to get me and a girlfriend into his car. I just posted more details on the Marianne Schuett thread. At 5 I had never heard the heartbreaking story of Noreen Greenley. But at 9 years old I sure remembered Marianne that is why I posted my story there.  May God give answers to the Greenley family.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on March 28, 2015, 10:00:14 PM
Please check out Noreen's new Website called Bring Noreen Home
https://bringnoreenhome.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on June 04, 2015, 07:21:19 PM
The Greenleys made Global News Toronto telling Noreen's story and showing her new age progression photo ...check it out
http://globalnews.ca/news/2033307/age-progression-sketch-released-in-bowmanville-cold-case/
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on June 04, 2015, 07:29:28 PM
Here is the news article from our Walk To Remember Noreen Anne Greenley
http://m.durhamregion.com/news-story/5641921-a-walk-to-remember-marks-1963-disappearance-of-noreen-anne-greenley-in-bowmanville
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jellybean on June 04, 2015, 08:41:29 PM
Thank you so much for the older articles on Noreen.  She was an active little girl within her community.  Singing in the choir, the baseball team, and I am sure her family was very proud of her.

I read all of the recent links provided and I could not begin to imagine the pain that this family has suffered until I read them.

I did notice in the archives, that Noreen spent a week with a friend in another town close by,
and shortly after she returned she was picked up by a car at a bus stop within the following two week period.  This might have some significance, or perhaps not.

I have sent you two links by way of pm. One link is from your archives, another is a new link, which I discovered with a bit of research,  of which you may not have seen or been aware of before.  It is the name and the occupation, and the locations that I find interesting.

My sincere thoughts and prayers are with you.
 

jb

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on June 05, 2015, 08:34:16 AM
Good work JB.
 
The links are very revealing insofar as I had imagined a greater distance to the bus stop... also a clearer perception of the car she was believed to have been in.  My heart breaks for Noreen's sister right now.  If only God would see fit to give us a miracle here ... for sure he knows the family deserves it by now;  they have done their time striving to bring her home.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on June 05, 2015, 09:45:46 AM
Please help my Family Bring Noreen Home ....you can help by donating to our GoFundMe page ..it has been set up by our family to help raise money to pay for a Private Investigator....we want to wipe the dust of Noreens cold case by hiring a Private Investigator to further investigate new leads and tips in her case...here is the link to our GoFundMe page....thanks from the Greenleys and bless you all
http://www.gofundme.com/rhwr9sc
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: neutrality on September 25, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
I'm so sorry for what the Greenley family has and is going through.  I do have a question regarding Bonnie and Gary.  I've read about this case off and on over the last few years and I was wondering what Gary Woolners statement was that night?  Why was Bonnie's released and not Gary's?  Have the Greenley's and Wilkins/Woolner families ever spoken since?  I apologize if this is a repeat question.  Thank you.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jmccarv on October 16, 2015, 06:25:34 PM
Hello,
I am working with a group of students to help look into cold case's and one of the one's we are focusing on is the case of missing Noreen Greenley.  I have been looking through these online forum's for any leads the past few days and was hoping that if there was anyone on here or anyone that you know who has any information or leads about this case they could email me at
jmccarve@uwo.ca

We would really appreciate the help to bring closure to the family of Noreen Greenley.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 23, 2016, 11:41:39 AM
Hello everyone
This is Kelly from the Greenley Family ....I just noticed the recent post about the group of students who are researching Noreen's case...my family are very thankful ...Noreen's case is in full investigation and we have had some new information surface and we have been mostly directing our new information on our Facebook Group called Back to September 14,1963 when Noreen Anne Greenley Disappeared and also our Facebook Page called Help find missing girl (Noreen Anne Greenley). I am going to post some recent information and updates we have and. Have posted on our other groups. I apologize for not keeping this website up to date for I know we have several followers on here and who care and want to help my family find Noreen ....please follow and view these next few posts as these posts might spark a memory or thought you have to help find Noreen....thank you the Greenley's ....
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 23, 2016, 11:54:56 AM
thank you.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 23, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
First of all my family and I are thrilled to announce that on November 27,2015 we had an grand opening for Noreen's Memorial Bench. With the funds we raised from Noreen's Walk to Remember we were able to purchase a beautiful bench with a memorial plaque for Noreen. With the approval and help of the Town of Bowmanville now known as  Clarington Oreens Memorial Bench was placed in Memorial Park where Noreen played baseball and where we organized our Walk to Remember for Noreen. We finally have something to remember Noreen ...to show she once walked with us as a beautiful, bright young 13 year old girl. She will no longer just be one of the oldest missing children's cases with her every existence being files of paper in a box collecting dust but now she has a proper memorial and a place where my family and friends can go and reminisce the memories they shared with Noreen....here are some photos of the opening of Noreen's Memorial Bench taken at Memorial Park in Bowmanvilke ...the Greenley Family was honored to be joined by the Mayor Adrian Foster and a few ladies from our Group....
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 23, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Sorry how do you get photos on here? To post them
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on January 23, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Dec 11, 2015
Tribute to Noreen Greenley unveiled in Bowmanville Memorial Park
Family of Bowmanville girl missing for 50 years grateful for new memorial


Clarington This Week
By Jennifer O'Meara
   

CLARINGTON -- After more than 50 years, a missing Bowmanville girl’s family now has a memorial for her.     

On Sept. 14, 1963, Noreen Greenley, 13, left her best friend’s house to catch a bus home and seemingly vanished. Community volunteers searched for her and police investigated, but it was never determined what happened to Noreen that night.       

In May this year, her family held A Walk to Remember for Noreen Anne Greenley, hoping to raise awareness and funds to hire a private investigator to look into the cold case. The fundraiser fell short of its goal, so the family decided to use the money to dedicate a memorial bench for Noreen.   

On Thursday, Nov. 26 the bench was unveiled in Memorial Park in Bowmanville where it sits between two trees with a view of the park where Noreen once played baseball.     

“My family and I are so thankful to have this memorial bench it shows that Noreen once was here with us and she is not just an unsolved forgotten cold case,” Kelly Greenley said in an e-mail about her sister.     

She said the family has hope of advancements in Noreen’s cold case with a new sketch to show what Noreen could possibly look like today. The Greenleys have been actively telling Noreen’s story on social media. There are regular updates to Facebook (Help find missing girl Noreen Anne Greenley), Twitter (TheGreenleys@bringnoreenhome) and a webpage called bringnoreenhome.wordpress.com .     

Anyone with information on the historic disappearance can contact Durham Regional Crime Stoppers online at www.durhamregionalcrimestoppers.ca or call 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).

http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/6166302-tribute-to-noreen-greenley-unveiled-in-bowmanville-memorial-park

Noreen Greenley memorial bench
Submitted photo
CLARINGTON -- On November 26, a memorial bench was unveiled in Memorial Park in honour of Noreen Greenley, 13, who disappeared from Bowmanville more than 50 years ago. November 2015
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on January 23, 2016, 05:08:17 PM
Hi Greenley Family,

I've posted an article and a photo that I was able to find on the net.

If there are others that you can direct me to, I may be able to post them for you, if you would like.

Debbie
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 24, 2016, 10:15:10 AM
Thank you so much Debbie....I appreciate that...
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 24, 2016, 10:24:41 AM
If everyone would like to view our Facebook Group, Facebook Page or Twitter account we have for Noreen .whoch the links are posted to these groups in the above post that Debbiec posted...this would help me dearly so I wouldn't have to up date this page....there is a lot of new information, photos and newspaper clippings posted on these accounts for Noreen .that it would take me far to long to update and I am having trouble loading photos....but I will summarize what has happened in the last little while....thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Greenley Family on January 24, 2016, 11:06:39 AM
One of the biggest leads that we have had always in Noreen's case has been the 1957 to 1959 Ford Prefect that was spotted at the bus stop by a neighbor of Bonnie Wilkins on Waverly Road ..the car was described as being dark in colour in good condition with a man wearing a black hat. .our Family have had opportunities to talk about Noreen's cold case appearing on Rogers TV Talk Durham...which still airs periodically and we also had a small appearance on Global news Toronto....we have had 2 age progression sketches done of what Noreen would possibly look like today. We have had several Newspaper articles written..all these things including a video we have made can be viewed on our groups and pages we have for Noreen. We recently had a class photo submitted by a fellow classmate of Noreen's ....this class photo was taken just days before she disappeared...the class is Grade 6 and 7 at Central Public School in Bowmanville her teacher was a Mr Heald..Noreen is Featured in the photo and also her best friend Bonnie Wilkins who last seen Noreen before she disappeared just meters away from her house on Waverly Road at the bus stop. Because of these appearances we have had and constant work of our family to keep Noreens story out there in the public ...never for once giving up hope...we did receive a few tips that were investigated but unfortunately didn't prevail . We are excited however to have received a recent tip reported by what we would call a tipster at this point . This tip has proven to be pretty genuine thus far and has caught the interest of the investigating officer and the cold case Society investigating this case. My family has been working very hard with this tip and have been doing our own research to prove the authenticity of this tip so we can proceed with further action to find Noreen....I have a question to throw out there that would help this case 100 percent and hope someone on here might have the resources to answer it...how can you find out the work history on an individual back in 1963 if you don't have a social insurance number....I have researched that back before they had sin numbers they had social security numbers which held information such as birthdate, death,marriages, places of work and residence...these numbers were used a lot for people in the military....can anyone help with this...you would be helping greatly to further this tip ..thanks
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 24, 2016, 02:12:48 PM
GF .... there are a few things that haunt me about that car. 
it probably came to Ontario via a military person coming back from Europe with "paid shipping done by the army"
it may also have been purchased by an immigrant family fond of such a vehicle because of their roots.  either way, those cars are imports. ....

I am editing this to clarify.... the parts were imported to Ontario and Ford cars were built there....  not considered an import such as some we discussed of similar appearance cars.  ... so I start digging for curiosity sake. With the growth in car sales after World War II, together with the acquisition of majority control by Ford Motor Company, Ford of Canada decided to move its head office and build a new assembly plant in Oakville, Ontario. The new Oakville assembly plant was opened in 1953. In order to meet ever increasing demand, the Company opened another assembly plant in Talbotville, Ontario in 1967.
 
 Interestingly enough, its seems that NASS was split in two (probably about 1950), with the Canadian and American operations being totally separate. Beginning in 1951, Ford of Canada switched from advertising these cars and trucks as "English Built" to "British- Built". Presumably this was in deference to the large Scottish community in Canada. In 1959, English Ford operations were reorganized in the USA as the English Ford Line and the organization behind it was called the English Ford Line Operation or EFLO. This would be the first year of the now famous oval (due to the racing exploits of the Cortina in 1964 and '65) English Ford Line logo. Canada briefly adopted a modified "British Ford Line" logo, but reverted back to the "Ford British" in 1960. The English Ford Line and Ford British were officially absorbed into the Ford Division in 1966.

 The three best sales years for English Ford passenger car in the USA were 1959: 42,413, 1958: 33,472 and 1960: 23,602. The worst year (for which numbers are available) is 1954: 1,622. In Canada the three best sales years (cars and trucks) were 1960: 16,360, 1950: 14, 804 and 1973: 12,783. The worst year was 1952: 1,386.    So the company has records that could point to the purchasers/owners..... the MVD has records that could point to the owners in 1963 when and if vehicles changed hands.  http://www.enfostuff.com/history/A_Brief_History_of_English_Fords_in_North_America.html 
good project for somebody to tackle ... if you know the area and history well enough to make a list of the car dealers there at the time.  Maybe to those "in the know" of this case, will recognize a name. 

and here is the site that shows what the license plate should have looked like at that time:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Ontario

Somebody must be still alive in that area who recalls owners of such cars as family members or neighbors ... or influential members of the community or neighboring area/s who could afford a later model vehicle.  Either way, that vehicle had to be registered somewhere; so how many of those imports of that time period were registered in Ontario?  has anybody researched that?  ... not picking at one aspect, just thinking out loud ... sometimes one aspect of something sticks to me and will not let my mind rest from it ... usually it turns out to be significant in the long run... as though I have a sixth sense.
 https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ford+prefect+car&id=DFE80A2EEEB2052320909BBDA3E8427FFDE076D9&FORM=IQFRBA

can you repost the link to Noreen...  's facebook page please

.also, many people acquired their sin. number in another province prior ... for instance, I am from NS but got my first job and sin in Toronto in 1965 ... I was 18 years old.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: debbiec on January 24, 2016, 06:11:15 PM
Hi lostlinganer,

I'm not sure if you are aware but we no longer allow links to facebook or other blogs where people comment. One can enter facebook, twitter, etc when viewing most newspaper articles. That will take you to those sites but you would still have to log on.

Greenley Family has posted the name of the facebook page and (I believe) other groups as well.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 24, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
thanks Deb;  I had no idea of that change.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 25, 2016, 11:47:48 AM
I did find a facebook page, but not very detailed ... just support page.  I did notice someone asked about what crews were working on the highway development in the area at the time;  that brought to mind the fact that I read somewhere that rail lines had been abandoned in May of that year.  I wonder if those lines were being torn up in places that summer.

Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 25, 2016, 01:15:12 PM
jmcc .... I wonder if you considered these old newspapers as a source of 1963 activities in the area at that time.... road construction, etc.   just thought it wouldn't hurt to throw it in for those who have the time to "dig".   http://ink.ourontario.ca/browse/acton/reel36/00373
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 15, 2016, 02:32:51 PM

Can anybody recall how far back in this thread (I can't remember for sure the discussion, but I know it was out there.... and I have always felt there was a lot of coincidence with this other case) .... I am wondering if those working Noreen's case at the home front has ever totally illuminated this man.   

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/2942514-what-really-happened-to-marianne-schuett-/
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on February 15, 2016, 03:05:52 PM
Many, many similar tragic God-forsaken cases indeed ... that leave us troubled and consume us forever... and mostly because of sealed lips. imo
 .... many could have been solved when they happened, if it weren't for fear, guilt, and/or lack of backbone and integrity.  ... and possibly karma already took down a few of the guilty.




Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on February 18, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
Right on, lostlinganer.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: Have faith on September 15, 2018, 02:30:40 PM
Many, many similar tragic God-forsaken cases indeed ... that leave us troubled and consume us forever... and mostly because of sealed lips. imo
 .... many could have been solved when they happened, if it weren't for fear, guilt, and/or lack of backbone and integrity.  ... and possibly karma already took down a few of the guilty.

A tip from a grown child pointing a finger at his/her father has occurred in this case. I hope this works out for the Greenley family.


https://globalnews.ca/news/4451850/noreen-anne-greenley-bowmanville-cold-case/

Police investigating potential new lead in 55-year-old Bowmanville cold case.

A tip from someone in the community emerged, alleging their now-deceased loved one may have been responsible for Greenley’s death and disappearance.

Durham Regional Police said a man came forward to suggest that his father may have been involved.

The missing girl’s family worked with the Cold Case Society, who initiated a magnetic scan of a rural area near Highway 57 and Concession 8.

It is alleged that’s where Greenley’s body lies inside a ditched vehicle buried many years ago.

Police said officers are now investigating the credibility of the tip and the possibility that the girl may finally be found.

“We have information that there is a magnetic anomaly in the area,” Det.-Sgt. Mitch Martin told Global News.

“We need to investigate that a bit further. There’s other investigative techniques we can use to see if there’s anything in that area. We have our forensic identification specialists who specialize in recovering items that are hidden, so to speak.”

Martin said they reached out to the family that now owns the property where the site of interest is located.

“We’re going to look at whether it’s worth our time to look at using a ground penetrating radar, or if we’re just simply going to work towards excavation,” he said.

“It is private property … we need their consent or their permission to dig, and we’re working towards getting permission from them right now.”

If they receive approval to dig, they will need to then find someone to perform the excavation. Police said it could take another three weeks for the process to get under way.
Title: Re: Noreen Greenley - 13 - Missing - September 14, 1963 - Bowmanville, ON
Post by: jobo on September 15, 2018, 11:01:17 PM
Thanks for this update!
I’m hoping some answers come for the Greenley family with this development.