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Title: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Alder on September 04, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
Dave Pickton:  a clear-cut case of predator.  Does anybody know his age, or date of birth?

http://www.missingpeople.net/'a_disaster_in_every_way-june_23,_2002.htm
In July of 1992, Dave Pickton was convicted of the sexual assault of a female construction worker at a site he was excavating. Dave was fined $1,000, given 30 days' probation and ordered to have no contact with the victim.
The woman later told The Province, "You could smell [Dave] before you saw him. He had no respect for women at all."
Bikers appeared at her home before the trial, the woman says, leading her to relocate to another city.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/12/02/pickton-witnesses.html
Seven years later, another woman went to police alleging Dave Pickton had violently assaulted her, tying her arms and legs to bedposts with bungee cords, and shoving pills down her throat. She said she was too scared to pursue charges.
On the witness stand, one officer confirmed they have not ruled out the possibility Dave was involved with the (Willie Pickton) killings, but they have no evidence to link him directly.
Dave has also refused to give a formal interview to police and has never been in court either to testify or to support his brother.
 
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Alder on September 04, 2009, 12:21:11 AM
Apparently, the attached picture was taken in 1995, when he was around 43 years old.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Alder on October 17, 2009, 01:41:59 AM
It is truly galling that David Pickton continues to walk around free.  Considering the amount of foot dragging and possible coverups there's been in the investigation surrounding the pig farm murders, maybe we should dig things up ourselves as much as we can.  Possibly, someone reading this might recognize a piece of info to something that's happened to them.

While searching the background of the pig farm murders, there is one haunting bit of info that keeps being repeated:  the Vancouver prostitutes started to disappear in 1983.

What were the Pickton brothers up to exactly around that time?  Say between 1978 and 1992.

1992 is when the Vancouver disappearances became a lot more frequent.  Coincidentally the Picktons also were able to strike it rich in the 1990's with their land sale.  Before 1992, did they travel around to fairly distant locations once in a while?  Did they appear to have an extra source of income that was not explained by the farm's revenue?

Could we post that info here please.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Alder on October 17, 2009, 01:45:01 AM
So far that's all I've been able to find:

http://www.missingpeople.net/pig_farm_killings.htm
The Pickton family established itself in the suburb of Port Coquitlam, known as "PoCo" to the locals, in 1905, when William Pickton bought a parcel of land near Essondale Mental Hospital. Forced from the site when his pig farm was expropriated for the construction of a major highway, William—with teenaged sons Robert and Dave in tow—moved the farm to its current Dominion Avenue location in 1963. Linda, the oldest sister, who had been sent away to boarding school, never lived at the new farm.
Following the death of their parents in the late 70s, the sons continued to live on the sprawling lot, which was jointly bequeathed to all three siblings. Dave, bearded and burly, the physical opposite of Robert, well known throughout the PoCo for riding his trademark motorcycle around the area, moved in and out of the farm. Married and later separated, Dave developed other business interests,
Including a salvage firm called P&B Used Building Materials Ltd., headquartered in the nearby suburb of Surrey.
Only Robert, known as Willy to friends and associates, remained on the farm permanently. Never marrying, he spent much of his time puttering around in muddy gumboots, tinkering with old cars, many of which were abandoned vehicles he purchased from the Vancouver Police impound lot. He also bought pigs at local livestock auctions, fattening and selling them to neighbors, skillfully skinning and cutting them up for meat in a slaughterhouse contained in an old two-story barn. Driving the carcass waste to West Coast Reduction’s animal rendering plant, Robert regularly passed through Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside on his way.
Taking advantage of the surge in housing demand that the 90s brought to Port Coquitlam, Robert and Dave began rezoning and selling parts of the sprawling farm to developers. Soon, the decaying lot was transformed into dozens of brightly colored, wood-sided homes, which emerged alongside an elementary school and civic park. The final ten-acre parcel to be sold—now closely bordered on two sides by the freshly planted back gardens of new family residences—still has a large development permit notification posted on it.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: lostlinganer on November 27, 2009, 08:07:29 AM
Alder; I like the way you think.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Hazel on February 07, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
Aldre, I agree with Lostlinger  ;)

As for why Dave is still a free man?  My best 'guess', he's brokered a deal.  He'll end up in jail once his work deal is done.
Time to renegotiate that contract Davey!
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Italian_Sweetheart on February 10, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
I have always entertained suspicions about Dave's involvement. He was supposedly the brighter one, looking after Willie and putting him to bed, etc. I asked myself, if Willie was such a simpleton, how on earth could he possibly have planned and carried out these killings solo without anyone knowing or cooperating??  It simply does not add up.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: jobo on February 10, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
I agree on your take prairiechicken, that's how easy it was for someone like Willie....and most probably, his brother. 
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: lostlinganer on February 10, 2011, 07:25:06 PM
Folks, if you want to get the feeling you were "right there" in the Pictons lives, I recommend you read:

1.  The Picton File
2.  On The Farm
   
      Both are by Stevie Cameron .... about the Pictons ....and the personal references of those murdered by these savages.  These books make your hair stand on end.  I recommend you read them in the above order.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Mom on February 10, 2011, 08:20:46 PM

I read "somewhere" that Robert Pickton told a jailhouse informant that he committed the perfect murder - they'll never find the remains of all the women because he sent their bodies to the rendering plant.  I didn't wince until I googled it to see what it was.  Ugh.  You're right, he is a simpleton but knew the business of slaughter, inside and out.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: lostlinganer on February 11, 2011, 12:36:12 AM
The first one is a lot of the info. we have all passed back and forth here... except for the "details go way beyond what we talk about"....and Stevie names names..... important people and all.  especially those attached to the little ring of killers... and sad but true details about relatives of those murdered, and what they actually had to be told.  It's shocking!  oh yes, another thing, Stevie Cameron risked life and limb to get this book done (imo) ...say nothing for the hardships she endured just trying to get by from day to day.

BTW.... I haven't even gotten into the second one yet, but the girl I got it from said it's just as detailed, just as revealing!
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: whispersoftly on February 11, 2011, 09:03:13 AM
The Picton File & On the Farm by stevie cameron

where can these books be bought..like, would I be able to get them at a chapters/coles store.. or are they at specialty book shops?

MOst importantly are they available in Nova Scotia..???
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: lostlinganer on February 11, 2011, 03:44:08 PM
Whisper; go online at your local library.  I am a member of the library here;  I can go online, put in my id, and look for book or movies and/or browse all contents of the library.  At the same time, I can put a request in to hold a book for me when it comes back. I can also have a book sent to my library from another for me.   They have Stevie Camerons books.  Check it out!  You should be able to buy them also, but they are in the libraries.  Libraries are wonderful;  they will never ever become obsolete.

I take my grand-dauther to the library with me.  She is 9 and an avid reader.  On Saturdays, we might get a few movies and she'll spend the night here.  It is amazing how family oriented libraries are.... and the amount of data, ......you name it, they have it or can get it!
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: SAP on February 16, 2011, 11:48:22 AM
http://www.calgaryherald.com/story_print.html?id=3510795&sponsor=curriebarracks

Aerial photo of part of the Pickton farm taken in February 2002, shortly after police began searching the Port Coquitlam property. Shown are the white trailer Willie Pickton lived in and outbuildings where evidence was found.
Photograph by: Ian LindSay , Vancouver Sun FILES, Vancouver SunIf you bought The Pickton File, Stevie Cameron's last book on the Robert (Willie) Pickton case, and were disappointed that it failed to tell the whole story (because of publication bans in place at the time), On the Farm: Robert William Pickton and the Tragic Story of Vancouver's Missing Women is the book you were hoping for.

With the remaining bans lifted last month, Toronto journalist Cameron delivers a hard-hitting look at the botched police investigations of Pickton, who has become Canada's most notorious serial killer. Though convicted of six murders, he confessed to an undercover officer that he killed 49 women who had disappeared from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside over more than two decades.

Cameron does an excellent job of detailing Pickton's early years on the family farm in Coquitlam and, later, on the Port Coquitlam property that became known as "the pig farm" because Pickton often butchered pigs there.

The place was littered with junked cars and mounds of dirt from the topsoil business he operated with his younger brother, Dave (who continues to run a salvage and demolition company, P&B Used Building Materials).

Pickton's parents, Louise and Leonard, who died in the late 1970s, made their living butchering pigs. "Louise Pickton was a tough, hard woman," Cameron writes, claiming that the mother was responsible for the death of a neighbourhood boy, Tim Barrett, who was walking near the Pickton home in 1967 when he was struck by a one-ton truck driven by then 17-year-old Dave Pickton.

Despite trying to cover up his involvement by painting over the damage to the truck, Dave Pickton was convicted in juvenile court for failing to remain at the scene of the accident and was prohibited from driving until he turned 21.

The book says Pickton's mother found the boy lying unconscious by the side of the road and hauled him into a nearby ditch, where he drowned.

The story is recalled by one of Willie's closest childhood friends, Lisa Yelds, who says Willie told it to her years later. The death may have been a seminal lesson for Willie -- that you can't be prosecuted without evidence of wrongdoing.

Those who knew the family recall how the Pickton home was downright messy, with farm animals wandering in and out, and how the Pickton boys smelled of pig manure, which caused their schoolmates to taunt them with names such as Piggy. Their mother made them take a bath only once a week, the book says.

Another pivotal experience in Willie's life is recounted. It's about his pet calf, which he was shocked to find in the barn, butchered by his parents. He was devastated and never forgot the sense of betrayal he felt.

Cameron also interviewed people who attended the Pickton brothers' rowdy parties at Piggy's Palace, the now-defunct illegal nightclub on a nearby piece of property that was shut down by city officials in the 1990s. Most recalled Hells Angels, who had a clubhouse nearby, frequenting the parties and being on good terms with the Pickton brothers.

THE PERFECT VICTIMS

Prostitutes were also invited to events on the Pickton farm, including illegal cockfights. And one woman recalls in the book that she was tied up at the farm and gang-raped by a group of men but was afraid to report the incident to police -- a foreshadowing of what was to come. The women killed at the Pickton farm were the perfect victims: mainly drug-addicted sex trade workers who were wary of talking to police.

Cameron does a fine job of weaving together the hard-luck stories of how these women, including some from well-to-do families, ended up on drugs and on the streets. She says one of the victims died a millionaire from an inheritance and may not have known about it.

The stories of the victims' families learning that their daughters and sisters had gone missing are equally heartbreaking. One family sat waiting to open Christmas presents, but their daughter never showed up.

NO BODIES HAD BEEN FOUND

On the Farm details some police failings to treat the reports of missing women seriously. These were made worse by police understaffing and an attitude of denial in the upper ranks of Vancouver police during the 1990s. The line taken was that no serial killer was preying on women in Vancouver's poorest neighbourhood.

Former Vancouver police inspector Kim Rossmo is quoted at length about his struggle, before his dismissal, to have the police department issue a public warning that a serial killer was likely trolling the Downtown Eastside.

Over all, Cameron does a nice job of providing insight into why it took police so long to catch Willie Pickton despite his being the prime suspect after a series of tips from Bill Hiscox and others.

She writes that police did put Pickton under surveillance for two weeks, but he was likely aware he was being followed. Police were unable then to get a search warrant for the farm approved by a Crown counsel, Peder Gulbransen (now a judge), because there wasn't enough solid evidence that Pickton had committed any murders, since no bodies had been discovered.

The author creates a pseudonym for a female Crown witness who was unable to testify at Pickton's trial. (The judge decided the jury should not hear the evidence.) She narrowly escaped death in 1997 when she slashed Willie with a knife as he was trying to put handcuffs on her. Willie grabbed the knife from her and stabbed her repeatedly, but when he passed out she ran out on the street naked, handcuffs dangling from one wrist, and flagged down a passing car.

Cameron was able to track down several other women who say they, too, escaped from Pickton's clutches and are lucky to be alive.

PSYCHOPATHIC MONSTER

To her credit, while she was editor of Elm Street magazine, Cameron assigned a Vancouver investigative journalist, Daniel Wood, to write the first in-depth look at the mounting number of missing women. The article was published in 1998.

Even then, Wood kept hearing women working the streets saying that Willie Pickton was responsible for the missing women, a tip he passed along to Vancouver police 12 years ago.

Unfortunately, Cameron refers to him as David Wood. Since she spent eight years working on this book, it's a mistake that should have been caught.

There are other minor errors. For example, Cameron gives the address of the Vancouver police station as 212 Main St. (rather than 312 Main), refers to Riverview Hospital as Riverwood at one point and calls Heatley Street by the name Heaton.

Still, On the Farm provides the first comprehensive overview of how Willie Pickton became the psychopathic monster he is, and how he wasn't caught for so long because of his wily street smarts and access to a rendering plant -- where, he confided to the undercover officer, he disposed of human remains.

He was caught only because he got sloppy at the end. He failed to dispose of body parts eventually found in a freezer on the farm during a massive forensic search triggered by a junior Coquitlam RCMP officer executing a search warrant for illegal guns, based on information provided by a former Pickton employee.

But there is still a final chapter to be written in this case that must come from Pickton himself. He has never provided an explanation of how he could be so kind to certain women, helping them out with rent money and groceries, while heartlessly killing so many others among society's most vulnerable.

Even after the Supreme Court of Canada recently dismissed his appeal, Pickton told a TV reporter he had been framed.

He can drop that pretence now. He has no hope of ever getting out of prison.

Perhaps some day he'll speak frankly with a prison psychiatrist and give some insight into what motivated his killing rampage that went on far too long and shattered so many lives.

Neal Hall is an author and Vancouver Sun reporter who covered Pickton's trial with reporter Lori Culbert.

nhall@vancouversun.com

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: SAP on February 16, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
More detailed account of what happened to young Tim Barrett. Maybe Louise Pickton should be charged with murder post-humously?

http://www.thestar.com/article/226272
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: stephanie on March 10, 2011, 06:05:45 PM
Hi

Has anyone read the book On The Farm. I forget the authors name, but it and it goes into a lot of detail on the Pickton case. I did borrow a copy from the Vancouver public library and I learned just how sick this matter really is.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Jessica- on August 17, 2011, 03:21:51 AM
I will probably pick up this book this week.
So sad what this man has done, makes you wonder how people get to that point.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Jessica- on August 20, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
I bought On the Farm by Stevie Cameron, I couldn't find the other book.

I have only read 100+pages and I am disgusted with the way they treated those women and disregarded them because of their life style. very sad, but very informative so far.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: Jessica- on September 28, 2011, 04:32:53 PM
I finally got a chance to finish the book, I feel as if the police should be highly investigated as well as Dave Pickton. Although I would love to believe Robert Pickton did this all on his own, I highly doubt he did and definitely had help. The least the VPD could do is act like they gave a frig and try and show some compassion to these families.

R.I.P
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: JEL on May 22, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Willy may  be a simple man, but he still managed to run his own company. He had help, just like most people have help, but he ran it. He wasn't a stupid man, only simple.   Buddha is a simple man; you don't have to be stupid to be simple, usually the contrary.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: me on November 20, 2013, 07:56:07 AM
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/lawsuit-claims-pickton-s-brother-threatened-to-rape-kill-woman-decades-ago-1.1551531

VANCOUVER -- A lawsuit has been launched against David Pickton, the brother of serial killer Robert Pickton, alleging he threatened to kill and rape a woman on a Burnaby, B.C., construction site more than two decades ago.

The notice of civil claim against Pickton was filed in B.C. Supreme Court Tuesday, alleging he sexually assaulted the woman on a job site in August 1991 and when the assault was interrupted he threatened to rape her later.

The woman alleges in the lawsuit that Pickton came upon her quickly, forced her backwards, trapped her against the wall, pushed his hands down her pants and sexually assaulted her.




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The attack was interrupted when an unknown person entered the trailer, the document said.

"Before leaving, Pickton turned around and glared at the Plaintiff, and said, 'I'm going to rape you, I'm going to rape you,"' states the document.

The notice of claim contains allegations not proven in court.

According to the same document, Pickton was convicted of the sexual assault in Burnaby provincial court Feb. 26, 1992.

"Are you for real," Pickton said in an interview when he was told about the allegations in the lawsuit.

When asked to confirm the conviction, he said he didn't recall being convicted.

"I'm not too familiar with that, 20 years ago, you know, I have a hard time remembering 20 years ago. I can't remember 20 years ago."

The conviction cited in the claim could not be immediately confirmed because a search of the Ministry of Justice's online database appeared not to go back that far.

The Canadian Press is not naming the woman because she is an alleged victim of a sexual offence.

The lawsuit said the woman reported the sexual assault to her site supervisor but to her knowledge nothing was done.

"David Pickton and his brother, Robert, leered at her after she made the report and laughed and pointed at her in view of the other workers at the construction site," states the notice of civil claim.

The woman reported the assault at the RCMP and the following day two officers attended the site, took her statement and conducted an investigation, the document said.

A day or two later, a heavy-equipment operator beckoned her over, it adds.

"'You better get out of here. Get your kid and get out of town, They're going to kill you. They're going to cut you up and they'll spread you all over where you won't be found,"' states the court document.

The plaintiff inferred the equipment operator was relaying a threat from his employer, Pickton, states the document.

The notice of civil claim states her job was terminated, and the night before she moved from her Burnaby home to White Rock, two large men parked their motorcycles in front of her house and waited for at least four hours.

"She telephoned the police, and they told her that there was nothing they could do about it because the men were not trespassing," states the document.

When Pickton was told the name of the woman making the allegations, he only said her name sounded familiar.

"Unbelievable. This on the job site," he said.

The lawsuit alleges Pickton violated the woman's sexual integrity, caused her psychological distress, caused or contributed to psychological injuries like anxiety, depression and post-traumatic disorder and cost her income.

She was already facing challenges at the time and is only now recovering from the attacks that put her into a "steep and dangerous tailspin," states the document.

"The plaintiff's condition has generally stabilized and she is now in a position to commence this litigation against David Pickton," said the civil claim.

The plaintiff alleges the threat of rape, the leering and pointing, the comments by the equipment operator and the motorcycle riders were meant to cause emotional distress and intimidate her into not co-operating with police and attending court.

The woman is seeking general, special, punitive and exemplary damages, as well as costs, and any further relief the court may award.


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/lawsuit-claims-pickton-s-brother-threatened-to-rape-kill-woman-decades-ago-1.1551531#ixzz2lC5Y7CtD
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: me on November 20, 2013, 08:03:58 AM
There doesn't appear to be a current photograph available of Dave Pickton.  The last one I can find was taken 17 years ago.  Does anyone else find this strange?  It appears he was interviewed for the above article but no photo.  Makes me wonder just what is going on that he manages to never be called to any of the court proceedings and to avoid current photographs being published.  I hope with woman is being provided with protection this time.
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: debbiec on November 20, 2013, 09:43:22 AM
I found this article which was written in 2012. It appears that the photo attached may be a more recent one. It states that Picton was convicted of a sexual assaul in 1992. This could be the one he says he can't remember.


Brother of Canadian serial killer starts charity in Ghana
last updated at Monday, February 27, 2012 8:08 AM

Dave Pickton, the brother of convicted Canadian serial killer Robert Pickton, is starting a foundation in Ghana to help the poor in Africa, Canadian news source The Province reports February 26, 2012.

According to the report, Pickton said that a trip to Ghana inspired him to start the Pickton Foundation.
The foundation, a non-profit charitable organisation is located at 80 Rose Lane, Lashibi-Tema in Ghana, according to the Foundation’s website.

Dave’s brother, Robert Pickton born October 24, 1949 of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada is a former pig farmer and serial killer convicted of the second-degree murders of six women. He is also charged in the deaths of an additional twenty women, many of them prostitutes and drug users from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside.

In December 2007 he was sentenced to life in prison, with no possibility of parole for 25 years —the longest sentence available under Canadian law for murder, available information on Wikipedia shows.

According to the Province, Dave Pickton was the subject of a recent warning posted in the Downtown Eastside after he was spotted in the gritty Vancouver neighbourhood.

He was convicted of sexual assault in 1992.

By Ekow Quandzie

http://www.ghanabusinessnews.com/2012/02/27/brother-of-canadian-serial-killer-starts-charity-in-ghana-report/ (http://www.ghanabusinessnews.com/2012/02/27/brother-of-canadian-serial-killer-starts-charity-in-ghana-report/)
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: SAP on November 20, 2013, 01:16:52 PM
Unbelievable this man is allowed to head a foundation for the poor and unsuspecting in another country. He has a FB site also and there seems not to be much interest, only his posts that are all the same. It may be a tax write off for him and his biker pals?
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: D1 on June 26, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
Back in court, interesting details...

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/woman-sexually-assaulted-by-david-pickton-says-she-suffered-mental-breakdown-after-his-brother%e2%80%99s-arrest/ar-AAc9604 (http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/woman-sexually-assaulted-by-david-pickton-says-she-suffered-mental-breakdown-after-his-brother%e2%80%99s-arrest/ar-AAc9604)
Title: Re: Dave Pickton, a predator
Post by: jellybean on June 26, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
It was always implied that Dave was also involved in the Pickton farm  murders, in one way or another,  by prostitutes, and they should know.

However, police were satisfied with the arrest of his brother, and dna pointed towards him, and that was the end of it.

I can't see how Dave was unaware as to the goings on, as he lived there!! Which brings him one step closer to being involved. Dave was always left out of this whole thing, at arms length.
But he is as dangerous as his brother!!

The Pickton Farm has given honest hardworking pig farmers a bad name!!

After the story broke loose to the press, it is a wonder that pork prices didn't fall on the stock market.

Have a look at him.  What a winner!!

He looks as dirty and smelly, and shifty as his Robert.  Yeck!!

Take a wide circle around him, should you see him on the street!

No wonder there are not any pictures of him - he probably looks worse - that is, if it is possible!!

And as for this charity, it is probably a scam, and Revenue Canada might like to hear about it.

JB