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Title: The Death Penalty
Post by: oldfriendbill on January 28, 2009, 07:04:04 PM
I am forty five years old. I have children and grandchildren. I am blessed with a partner/friend/wife. I fear for them.

I am beginning to feel that capital punishment is the best solution to protect our children, and spouses. That is what this is all about. Too protect them. As a man, and as a good member of society, I think it's time to get our priorities in order. The chance these broken people (sex offenders) will torture, and kill, again is too great to risk. If there is DNA evidence of guilt, then that changes everything. Society can't afford to keep these people in prison. They will get out. Put an end to them quickly. Capital punishment is a clear solution to re-offending and a stark deterrent to those who could become the latest monster on the news.

A soldier is asked to kill for his country. We call them heroes. Why shouldn't we ask them to do away with these menaces who also threaten us. While we all ponder this topic, someone's child or spouse is lost in the most horrible nightmare again and again.

It's not a perfect solution, but it is the best thing for our families safety. 
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Adrian on January 29, 2009, 06:58:57 AM


Hi bill! It sure is good to see you here.

I never used to believe in Capital Punishment. Actually, it has been the last few years that I have changed my mind. I believe that pedophiles, serial killers will never stop until they die.They are too hard wired to this. It is in their brain, their life, their fantasies..constant fantasies.

These predators need not to live on planet earth.They are cunning, devious, have no sense of morals, or ethics. They have no guilt, nor any concience(sp), they are obsessed with their own depravity.They cause great devastation to the family and friends, of the victim.

I believe now, that these crimes are not going to go away. Like a giant spider web, of pure hate and evil., they are spreading.

Is locking up, an option? Sure, but they get out and repeat their offences with glee.At least that is with peds. I guess I am still a bit confused, as life till death sentences would also stop the crime, but they would have years to hook in other peds, or serial killers. Like Anne Rule said, These guys seem to just find each other. Scary...

Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Chris on January 31, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
I understand why some want the death sentece. I just think a prison sentence that is life wo any parole ever would be even better. Let them suffer for decades in prison, never let them out and restrict there privaledges. I hate it that some monsters can get out one day.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 29, 2010, 10:29:19 PM
There has been considerable debate among many countries to implement the death penalty.  Canada abolished the death penalty in 1976.  Should we introduce it again for severe crimes (serial killers, killing a police officer, killers of children, etc..)?
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Chris on October 01, 2010, 02:46:35 PM
No. I just wish there was a 'real like sentence' where the person is sentenced to life and they really do not ever get the chance to apply for parole or petition the court for release.

It makes me angry knowing that one day Bernardo and Pickton will get a chance for freedom when neither should.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: jobo on October 01, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
I agree with you Chris.   People like Bernardo and Pickton should never,ever get out of jail.   
I also think that for serial pedophiles and serial rapists....they only hurt innocent children/women......they are predators.
Life for a Life....and don't bother wasting taxpayers money for parole or petitions for release..
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: lostlinganer on October 01, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
I think many times innocent people have been institutionalize for years because of mistakes and deliberate cover ups.  If we had the death penalty, those people would be dead and just as unfailly murdered as the victims of crime.  Add to this the deliberate conspiracies by bad cops and other officials, and God only knows how many people would have been put to death to cover up for thugs with contacts or authority ..... to keep the real guilty party/ies free.  Therefore; I could never condone the "death penalty". 
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: jobo on October 01, 2010, 05:52:29 PM
That too, is correct lostlinganer about mistakes and cover-ups...but these days we have DNA advances, which I presume does decrease mistakes.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: debbiec on January 18, 2011, 11:11:50 PM
By The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press 48 minutes ago

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he personally favours the death penalty in some instances.

But the prime minister says he has no plans to resurrect debate over capital punishment at least not in the next Parliament.

In an interview with CBC News on Tuesday, Harper was even more categorical about abortion, indicating he has no interest in ever reopening debate on that hot potato.

He says the key to reducing the number of aborted pregnancies is changing attitudes, not laws.

Harper's views on the hot-button issues were probed by Peter Mansbridge, anchor of CBC's The National, who wanted to know what the prime minister would do should he manage to win a majority in the next election.

In past elections, opponents have issued dark warnings that Harper would use a majority to impose a socially conservative agenda. Among other things, Harper has been accused of harbouring a "hidden agenda" to recriminalize abortion, which has been without legal limit in Canada since 1988, and to reinstate capital punishment, which was abolished in 1976.

But Harper, who gave even odds on an election this year, dismissed suggestions Canadians still fear what he'd do if handed a majority blank cheque.

"My own sense is Canadians have gotten comfortable with this government," he said.

"I think most Canadians understand that we're a government that is ... reasonably confident, focused on real issues, on trying to make the country better, not trying to enrich or glorify ourselves."

He was resolute about leaving the abortion file firmly closed.

"Look, Peter, I have spent my political career trying to stay out of that issue. It's one on which people, including in my own party, have passionate views. They're all over the map," he said.

"What I say to people (is) if you want to diminish the number of abortions, you've got to change hearts and not laws. And I'm not interested in having a debate over abortion law."

On reinstating capital punishment, Harper said simply: "I don't see the country as wanting to do that."

When Mansbridge pointed out that he seemed to be closing the door less firmly on that issue, Harper added, somewhat disjointedly: "Well, I personally think there are times when capital punishment is appropriate.

"But I've also committed that I'm not, you know, in the next Parliament, I'm not, no plans to bring that issue forward."

PMO spokesman Dimitri Soudas later said in an email that the government "has absolutely no plans to reinstate capital punishment."

Harper's minority government has studiously avoided coming anywhere near the abortion or capital punishment files at least in terms of domestic law.

But it has reopened both issues as they apply to Canada's foreign policy.

Harper stoked controversy last spring when he refused to include funding for abortions in his G8 initiative to champion maternal and child health in the world's poorest countries.

And his government briefly initiated a new policy whereby Canada no longer automatically sought clemency for Canadians facing the death penalty in democratic countries like the United States.

A Supreme Court ruling forced the government to abandon the policy.

Opposition parties have been sabre rattling about triggering an election over the Harper government's next budget, expected in late February or early March. Harper said he's not sure if they're serious.

"My gut tells me I don't know. It's 50-50," Harper said.

"We take the threats from the opposition very seriously. I don't think it's in the country's interest, I don't think it makes any sense to have one right now but, if we're forced into one, we'll be ready."


http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/harper-says-personally-favours-death-penalty-wont-reinstate-20110118-183039-003.html (http://beta.ca.news.yahoo.com/harper-says-personally-favours-death-penalty-wont-reinstate-20110118-183039-003.html)
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Chris on January 18, 2011, 11:53:10 PM
Quote
"My gut tells me I don't know. It's 50-50," Harper said.


"My gut advisers tells me I don't know. It's 50-50, 100%" Harper said.

That's more like it. No point in bringing up the death penalty debate anyway. What we need is parole reform, including giving judges an option to apply no parole ever no matter what life sentences, and to stop letting killers out after 15 years via the 'faint hope' clause, and no more parole hearings every 2 years for these people, it is hard on families to endure that crap all the time.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Chris on February 28, 2011, 12:16:59 AM
I find it interesting how closely divided users are on this issue.

I'm against the death penalty generally, mostly because it just is not fair, removes any chance of letting the person out if they turn out to be innocent, it's costly, and is not a deterant.

But I am glad no one choose 'not sure' as I think by now, people should have an opinion one way or another.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: jellybean on July 01, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
What do you think?
Perhaps some members may wish to give their point of view on the death penalty - Do you think its time has come?? This to some of us,  may be an important topic and many of us may have different points of views, after all we posters are all free thinkers and opinions are all  exceptionally valuable. This is a difficult topic-and  to each poster it could be a very deep and personal one.
Personally. I think that under certain cases, we need the death penalty. Bring it back for serial killers at the very least!

JB
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: Jolie76 on July 02, 2011, 12:54:31 AM
In this day and age there are no longer consequences....
And jail IS a joke, too many people learn new tricks while in there and sometimes it is just easier being in there then living in the real world..... Holding down a job, paying bills, surpporting your family, paying taxes which support your sorry @ss, being an important member of society, why would they bother?? Its too easy to just take what you want be it a stereo or a life, so why the Eff not....

An Eye For An Eye!!!![/b]
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: 3littlemonkeys on July 29, 2011, 03:28:01 PM
Perpertrators should suffer the same pain that they have inflicted on their victims. Like the previous poster said "An eye for an eye". If you shoot someone, then you should get shot. Look at the crime rate in places like Cuba, almost none. The government follows through with their punishments, and you may even loose a finger or two. Looks good on them. Certainly need to see some changes in our government.
Absolutely believe in capital punishment. This is the day of DNA.
Title: Re: The Death Penalty
Post by: tiger2338 on July 29, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
There are somethings I would like to see returned to our justice system.
(a) Life at hard labour.  Let the convicts earn their keep.
(b) Life with no parole. Who wants a Clifford Olson, or a Willie Pickton loose in their neighbourhood?
(c) Life meaning life not 25 years.
(d) Capital punishment for murder, serial murder, treason, acts of terrorism, and rape & murder of a child.