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Title: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2008, 12:21:17 AM
In 2000 he applied for parole, but there is nothing to say if he got out or not? does anyone know?

This guy murdered 4 kids by luring them in Saskatoon. He was arrested after he told police where the bodies could be found. See attachments.

This was in 1974 and 1975. Judge gave him 20 years in prison for this. I'll try to get more details.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: GrammsBee3 on May 09, 2009, 12:04:32 AM
I don't know what happened to him, but when I searched the name when I was at work today, I read a victim impact statement/letter of forgiveness from a family of the victims. I was incredibly moved. The name David William Threinen will not escape my memory. When he was committing these awful offences against humanity, I was within the same age range of the victims. I was 9 and there was a school bully that was awfully cruel, he said "I wish it was you instead of Samantha that was murdered......" (Kids can be so cruel.) Well, when you are only 9 you are wanting to live a long life and don't think about dieing...It has been 35 years this year and I don't know how to find out except to send a letter to Agassiz, B.C. as that is where he was 9 years ago...Good luck and if you find out anything, keep me posted.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Edsonmom on May 09, 2009, 12:20:13 AM
I just found this, so I am assumming that he requested no parole.

Thur Aug 24 2000 16:00:07
DAHRLYNE CRANFIELD (12) and ROBERT GRUBESIC (9) - abducted June 1975
SAMANTHA Bakalar  (8) and CATHY SCOTT (7) - abducted July 1975
David Threinen, 52 - "fixated pedophile" with predatory and homicidal tendencies
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan and Agassiz, British Columbia, Canada
Serial child killer says he doesn't want parole or useless treatment -- (CP)
A serial child killer who terrorized Saskatoon with a string of murders in the mid-1970s told a parole board Thursday he's where he belongs - in prison until he dies.

http://www.cybersleuths.com/news/00__2000news/08252000.2747.htm
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on May 12, 2009, 11:40:22 PM
I don't think he is out either. Sask TV just did a profile of this case, but no one mentioned he is out of prison.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Carol-Lynn on November 17, 2010, 08:47:53 AM
I have been all over the court records to find out if he a release date.Could someone have a look around to see if they come up with anything. I can't find a thing on him. >:(

His case was mentioned in the book just another dead Indian, I wounder if the publisher will be doing a follow up. This might be one way of getting more info.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: shkajo on January 01, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
I cannot believe it has been 35 years, I remember that day like it was yesterday.  I was 8 years old the day when Robert and Darhlyne were taken.  They only lived a block from me and that morning all the kids in the neighborhood were out playing.  Everyone went home for lunch and they never came back, we went to Robert's house to see if he was coming out to play but his grandmother (who spoke very little english) said he wasn't home.  His little brother said they went bike riding.  It wasn't till later that evening my family found out that there were missing and all the kids that were playing with them talked to the cops one of them remembered that the brother had said they went riding their bikes on the bike trails along the river in Saskatoon.  That is where their bikes were found.   

I one thing I do remember is him getting caught but how did he get caught and how did they find the children's remains and where were they if anyone knows these answers please let me know
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on January 01, 2011, 10:58:59 PM
Hi shkajo,

After being arrested, he told police where they can kind the bodies I believe. I cannot remember how he got cuaght. next time I am in Swift Current I'll track down the Sask crimes book and read it again. It must have been just horrifying in Saskatoon those days.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: shkajo on January 15, 2011, 06:25:23 AM
Thanx for the reply

as I said I was a young kid when the murders happened and the fact that I knew two of the victims and they were neighbors of mine it was harsh.  But then u had ur parents freaking out cause some crazy person was out there grabbing kids yeh it wasn't an easy time especially in our neighborhood
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: jellybean on January 15, 2011, 05:16:50 PM
Convicted child killer tells parole board: keep me in prison
Last Updated: Thursday, August 24, 2000 | 4:37 PM ET
CBC News
The father of a child murdered 25 years ago in Saskatoon is relieved the killer is not getting out of prison. Daye Cranfield's 12 year-old daughter was kidnapped and strangled in 1975.

The man who confessed to the crime, David Threinen, appeared before the National Parole Board today.

Threinen says he should die behind bars. He also conveyed his apologies to the victims' families.

Daye Cranfield is pleased with the results of today's the hearing. He says Threinen doesn't deserve to be paroled.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/08/24/threin000824.html#ixzz1B9HO2Ayg (http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/08/24/threin000824.html#ixzz1B9HO2Ayg)
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on February 25, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
I am very sorry about your aunt!

I hope this man never gets out. He's one of the worst criminals in our history.

Last summer I was in Saskatoon, and wanted to visit the area's he operated in. It was raining, but I hope to get a chance soon. I feel so badly for all the families of the victims.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: walleye on March 06, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
I cannot believe it has been 35 years, I remember that day like it was yesterday.  I was 8 years old the day when Robert and Darhlyne were taken.  They only lived a block from me and that morning all the kids in the neighborhood were out playing.  Everyone went home for lunch and they never came back, we went to Robert's house to see if he was coming out to play but his grandmother (who spoke very little english) said he wasn't home.  His little brother said they went bike riding.  It wasn't till later that evening my family found out that there were missing and all the kids that were playing with them talked to the cops one of them remembered that the brother had said they went riding their bikes on the bike trails along the river in Saskatoon.  That is where their bikes were found.   

I one thing I do remember is him getting caught but how did he get caught and how did they find the children's remains and where were they if anyone knows these answers please let me know
Hi there,
my name is Michael Hansen.It is because of my sister that David was caught! My sister and I were walking home from Caswell school for lunch in 1975 and we went down the back alley when suddenly we were grabbed from behind us,it was David Threinen!He threw us in the front seat of the car and drove off down the back alley.My sister Jean Hansen bailed out of the car and escaped running home.David freaked out and was asking me were we lived! I wouldn't tell him.He was slapping me an saying he would kill me if I wouldn't tell him!David was driving all around the area.Meanwhile my sister made it home and told my Mom everything and my Mom was freaking out and contacted the Saskatoon city police and spoke to Dave Scott and Doug Sather.I all of the sudden seen police cars in the area and David threw me out while he was driving in front of Ashworth Holmes Park close to the little building that said danger on the door.The police had a description of the car and what the man looked like.David was picked up and put in a police lineup.I was so sick from what happened and I vomitted for 3 days!My sister was asked to go look at the lineup and she looked at all of the men back and forth and then she said there he is,he's got the eye's of the devil!!!I will never forget what happened,I was only 6 yrs old.I left out a few details in my story!
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on March 09, 2011, 02:40:07 AM
Wow! I am thankful for your sister. That would have been grim if not for her quick thinking. I hope y'all ended up getting over it in short order. Probably saved other kids too. Your poor mother probably thought about that every night after that.

It is a good thing the police came right away and got the guy. It amazes me how bold he became, just grabbing kids at that point.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: trever on March 14, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Hello All,

I am the older brother of Samantha Turner who was murdered by David Threinen. I can remember that day clearly as I was playing with friends that day when we all came home for supper and Samantha did not come home. Her and Cathy had walked to the store earlier that day and did not return. That summer my brother, sister and I stayed at friends across the city of Saskatoon and my step dad would visit us every week to give us an update on our sister. They found the bodies after they captured David and he showed them where they were. Not a day goes by without remembering her and I will never forgive him for what he did.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on March 16, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
I am very very sorry about yoru sister. I cannot imagine how hard that is.

What part of the city did y'all live? Do you know where they were found?

I hope we can make sure this man never gets out of prison for this.

Thanks,

Chris
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: trever on March 18, 2011, 08:51:24 PM
we lived in sutherland if i remember correctly. I know the store was only two blocks from where we lived. As far as I can remember the bodies were found about five miles outside of the city by a bunch of trees. My stepdad never told us the details as we were all pretty young and he didn't want us to know those details.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: redbeard on March 19, 2011, 01:05:42 AM
Hi Trever,

I'm sorry to hear about your family's terrible ordeal.  I have been looking to track down a mugshot of David Threinen for a book I am publishing on Canadian serial murders in the late fall/early winter.  Do you or your family still have a contact for any of the investigators who worked the case?  I am hoping that by keeping these stories in the public's memory, we can ensure that men like Threinen don't ever get out again. 
Feel free to PM me,

Redbeard
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: veritas on March 25, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
hi all, i don't have a mugshot but am compelled to add comments. i was in my late teens during the time threinen was loose in Saskatoon. my little sister was of preschool age, and one afternoon, a car matching the description that was given (before threinen was apprehended) drove slowly down our street and slowed even more so in front of the house where my little sis and her friends were playing in the front yard. this was two or three houses down from ours, on the east side of town. i happened to walk out our front door and saw the car slow. he must have seen me because he took off. 
my cousin thinks he did some work on threinen's car during this period.
my boyfriend's parents' property is just south of where the kids' bodies were found out along highway 11.
my aunt and uncle worked at a hotel frequented by city pd detectives. after the kids' bodies were found, some of the cops talked a little about the horror of this case - nothing major, but enough to let my relatives know how horrendous this was for everyone involved...
i read a story in the vancouver province a few years back that mentioned d threinen..it was something along the lines of the guy showing remorse for a horrific crime he had committed - he was in Agassiz at the time of the article - good for him for being remorseful and not wanting parole - i hope that is true. i was disgusted though, when i read the article because it mentioned only his name, not why he was in prison. i contacted the author to let her know exactly what he was being remorseful for.  You are correct. These things should not be forgotten.
I REMEMBER!!!!
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: veritas on March 25, 2011, 08:37:34 PM
check this out for some comments regarding threinen's prior record in alberta in the Hansard for the sask legislature sitting 1977

http://www.legassembly.sk.ca/hansard/18L3S/770317Hansard.pdf
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on March 26, 2011, 12:51:30 AM
It must have rocked everyone back then in Saskatoon!

Yes it bothers me the justice system was soooo generous to him in Alberta. That should never have happened. The 70's were the peak of weirdness in the courts and I am glad those days are over.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: redbeard on March 26, 2011, 01:25:56 AM
Hey Chris,

Ever take a look at parole board decisions in the 80s?  Holy smokes.  They let at least 5 obvious sexual sadists back into the population.  I've got a whole chapter devoted to it in the book.  Things seem to have stabilized to my mind in the mid-nineties.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: HeatherB on April 13, 2012, 11:55:59 AM
I was in grade one and lived 2 houses away...was playing with the kids and they went for icecream and never came back. I remember the whole neighbourhood changed....we were carefree playing in the orchard and running in the park that day, doing what kids do, and they never came back. Sutherland was a beautiful place to live...but after this happened everyone was on high alert. In grade three I was "picked up" by a man in a car, young and stupid. He said he was from the STAR PHOENIX Newspaper and was writing a story. He would take my photo and pay me for my story. I got in, he drove me out of town, and got stuck in some mud. I was blessed because as he got the car out of the mud he had the time to think and change his mind. He drove me straight back to school, I arrived unharmed and police were called, 3 days of looking at mug shots and much terror in this little community again. We moved shortly.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on April 13, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Hi HeatherB. Wow that is amazing you are very fortunate not to have been harmed. It must have been sureal to have lived through that. Those poor folks who lived in that area at this time must have been terrified.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Roz on April 13, 2012, 09:41:46 PM
Cathy was my best friend.  I remember bits and pieces of that time, and have most of the newspaper articles of her's and Samantha's disappearance and subsequent arrest of Mr Threinen.  I was playing in Sutherland Park with Cathy and Sam that afternoon and, had I not been instructed by my parents to come home by the specific time I had been given, I most likely would not be writing this post today.  That thought leaves a terrible gut wrenching feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on April 14, 2012, 04:03:22 PM
I'm sorry about your friend. It's quite clear friends and even strangers are still feeling the fear and pain 37 years later. What a horrible event, I am glad you went home and did not end up being harmed.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Burnsy on April 19, 2012, 10:46:28 PM
Hello everyone,
 I was curious to see what has happened to David Thrienen over the years. My father Lieutenant Gordon Malcolm, was the head of the case.  My father passed away 25 years ago. I was around 12 at the time of the murders and remember it well. My father never spoke of work related things at home. He was a professional. Years later, my Mom told me some details regarding the crimes.  I now realize why so many of those cops were the way they were. They had to deal with such horrible things. My heart goes out to the victims and the families.  Sometimes in the summer, as my mother and I would shop downtown Saskatoon, we would pass by Mr. Cranfield and my mom would always say hello.  The first time it happened, I asked "Who is that"? She replied " Mr. Cranfield, the father of that little girl".  I've never forgotten that, and always wondered how he managed. I know his wife was very ill back then too. I heard he passed a few years ago. Anyway,,,I just felt the need to check this out after all these years. God Bless the good and damn the rest.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Baba Donya on April 22, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Dahrlyne and I were childhood friends. I was very devastated when I learned of her murder. My family had moved to Alberta, just before this happened. My mom and her mom were friends. Does anyone know if he wore particular clothing? I think, I too had seen this man, and I was with Dahrlyne at the time, when her mom was over for a visit.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: redbeard on May 03, 2012, 10:14:34 AM
Threinen is alive.  He just got transferred to Kingston Penitentiary, which is strange considering it is closing.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: tanisb on August 20, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
Actually Threinen is not in Kingston but Dorchester New Brunswick and has been since he left Mountain Institute in 2007. I am Samantha's only sister and actually going to meet and interview him tomorrow. There is questions and answers that only that man can tell me and has agreed to do so. My mother died last year and has never spoken about it to me. Most of my information was from my brothers who were older. Samantha was 8 when she died and I was 4. I dont want people to get the wrong impression, I am not going to forgive him, lets face it... how can one actually forgive someone who took a family member from you, but to close a chapter in my life. He agreed to speak with me as he beleives he is on a place that he deserves and will never get out. So if anyone would like to know more, please feel free to contact me. I will discuss what I can, but bear in mind, some thing I may not be able to
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: bekkabekka on August 21, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
tanisb - good luck today.  I can't imagine how hard it will be for you to face the man who did brutal things to your sister.
But I understand the need for closure.
Let us know what you can - if anything.
He needs to die in jail. 
I am a true believer in karma and his will come.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: tanisb on August 28, 2012, 09:21:02 AM
Well I have had my meeting and trust me this was very hard. But so glad I did! The stories that are in the Star phoenix and internet are not accurate by no means. I understand the issues behind David Threinen but by no means forgive him, and he was told that. My family needed closureand I beleive we have that now! Just a word of advise, dont always beleive what you read, or what you read from other people. He did not prey on theses kids!
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: SAP on August 28, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
Perhaps you might enlighten us as to what is correct and not correct about the stories printed about him, tanisb? He had many victims and left a swath of broken families ... I don't know how to sugarcoat something like that.
I am, however, happy that you have found resolve.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on October 02, 2012, 08:16:56 PM
I have not read a single thing that exaggerates this guys behavior at all.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Darrell41 on May 15, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Hi a story on this page which alleged the convicted killer was caught after unsuccessfully attempting to abduct two youngsters, seems to contradict  official police reports of the capture.
The killer was questioned originally after a tip to police that the vehicle he owned ( matching a description provided by abduction witnesses) had been repainted recently, once he received a comment in jest about its resemblance to the wanted vehicle.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Val on August 20, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
I was 12 when Cathy Scott was taken with her friend from the park directly across the street from my house. We were away on holidays and pretty much everyone on our block was gone either to work or on holidays that day. We found out about it when our house was on national TV. Cathy was younger than me, I knew her older sister. There were many days that my friends and I would go through Apex (a brick yard) to the Igloo ( an ice cream stand) for a treat. It took about a week for the city to come and hack the caragana bushes in front of the park down to about 2 feet tall. Before that you could not see into the park from our house. Life changed for all children in the area after that. We used to have little supervision and would just say that we were going somewhere and off we would go. Be home by dark were the instructions given to us. After the abductions and especially during the search period we were under house arrest and there were no children out without parents close by. What I recall my dad telling me about the catching of Threinen was that there were the brother and sister who gave an excellent description and that David worked at Canadian Tire and the other employees noticed the likeness to the composite. In gathering evidence the police went around the Mayfair neighbourhood that David lived in and found a neighbour that he borrowed a shovel from that was not returned. That was a major clue for the police. I am so glad that Threinen told the board not to release him. The families should not have to deal with this any more. On another note there was a boy that lived in Sutherland and moved with his dad after his parents divorced. He visited his mom during the Easter break and was murdered by Clifford Olson.  How sad that two children I knew were murdered by serial killers. That boy's name was Daryn Johnsrude (sp?). He was a year younger than I was so I remembered him quite well. He lived next door to my best friend in Sutherland and we would hang out when I went to her place. I can remember those times like yesterday.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: linda scott on October 09, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Thank you for your memories about this horrific time in all our lives.  Linda Kathy's sister.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Val on October 09, 2013, 06:32:34 PM
Bless you Linda,

I was Valerie Stefanuk growing up and was friends with Cathy Smale. We lived next door to each other and Cathy was in your grade at school. I really think of your lovely sister very frequently and hope your family has been able to find peace.

Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Chris on October 09, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
I cannot imagine the horror this had on people. I am so sorry for your friend/sister.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Annastaisha on October 10, 2013, 10:43:58 AM
I certainly hope that the comment "he did not prey on these children" mean that the children themselves are at fault for "leading him on"... that is quite a common "defense" that pedo's like to use
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: linda scott on November 02, 2013, 01:18:44 PM
Kathy's parents have passed away as is her sister Susan.  When mom passed away in 2011, I knew then that Kathy was never coming home.  This broke my heart into smaller pieces.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: kitso on January 01, 2014, 04:06:00 AM
In 2000 he applied for parole, but there is nothing to say if he got out or not? does anyone know?

This guy murdered 4 kids by luring them in Saskatoon. He was arrested after he told police where the bodies could be found. See attachments.

This was in 1974 and 1975. Judge gave him 20 years in prison for this. I'll try to get more details.
in august 1974 I was approached by david, he was talking to another person he had his foot on the bumper of a VW beetle when he came out to the middle of the road to talk to me, I stoppedmy bike turned around and went straight home told my mom. The Saskatoon city police came over I talked to them took them to the spot, that night they arrested micheal. My mind still goes back to that incident of micheal walking out to talk to me. I know its a long time ago but I think he should still be in jail for the murders of those 4 children.Thankyou for allowing me to talk about that time in my life
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: lostlinganer on January 01, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
I know we all feel he should have been locked up and the key thrown away, but that never happens.  The least he should have been given was 4 life sentences imo! ... it wasn't even one life sentence!  ..which begs the question:  What kind of system, or judge, would put such a low price on the heads of three beautiful innocent children?  a pedophile sympathizer perhaps?  something wrong with this for sure!  Is he out on the street? where?  can somebody at least find the animal?
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: Donbakalar on July 01, 2015, 06:23:43 PM
I am Donnie the older brother to Samantha Bakalar.Threinen has denied all attempts for his parole. He does not feel he should be released.
This year marks 40 years, and the memory is as painful now as then. I receive updates every time there is any relevant information with regards to him ie: health/hospital visits etc.. He is 67 now and my belief is that he will die in jail. I am okay with that!!
We spend time remembering Samantha daily as she is the one to be remembered..NOT Threinen.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: DonnaS on July 25, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
Hi Donnie, my name is Donna.  I was 10 when sister Kathy was 7 and Samantha was 8.  This year does mark 40 years and you are so right that the memory is as painful now as then, very painful.  I think of your family every day, as well as Robert and Dahrlyne, every day when I think of Kathy.  Tomorrow, July 26th, will be 40 years since the day our lives changes forever.  Please feel my heartfelt love now and forever to you and your family.  Maybe one day we can have coffee together.
Title: Re: David William Threinen | Child Serial Killer (Saskatoon Mid 70's)
Post by: DonnaS on August 22, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
I would like to take this opportunity to say a heartfelt hello to Trever and Tanis also along with Donnie.  You are like long lost family to me.  My heart aches for us.  My number is ****I live in Saskatoon, just in case.....Take care my friends.




***edited to remove personal phone number. Anyone wishing to contact DonnaS can do so via private message.