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Title: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on October 20, 2008, 10:56:05 AM
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28264.aspx

Barrie Teen Still Missing After Fighting With Parents Over Video Games
Monday October 20, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff
A fight over a video game may have led to a Barrie teen's disappearance, and his parents simply want him back.

Brandon Crisp, 15, went missing week ago after a dispute with his parents over the Xbox game Call of Duty. According to his father Steve Crisp, Brandon took off last Monday after the fight, in which they told him they wanted him to put down the controller and stop playing for awhile.

Crisp suggests his son was losing sleep because he was so engaged in the WWII-themed first-person shooter game.

Police circulated flyers over the weekend and employed a helicopter to look for him by air, in addition to the extensive ground search. As of Monday they had no new leads.

Brandon was last seen asking for directions to an area east of Barrie where his friends live.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: me on October 22, 2008, 12:19:11 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/521731

Family fears boy lured by gamers
 
SHARON BAMFORD PHOTO
Angelika and Steve Crisp are asking Barrie-area cottagers to check properties for signs of their son Brandon, who ran away nine days ago.   
Teen who ran away after Xbox dispute 'addicted' to playing online war game, father says

Oct 22, 2008 04:30 AM
Theresa Boyle
Staff Reporter

Steve Crisp's best hope for his missing 15-year-old son is that the lad is hiding out in a luxury cottage somewhere northeast of Barrie.

But his worst fear is that Brandon, a Grade 10 student, has ventured too far into the fantasy world of a video game to which he was "addicted" and has run into trouble.

"I'm worried he has met someone online through this game. It could be organized crime or someone involved in Internet gambling. Pedophiles can stalk kids through these games," the tormented father said in an interview last night.

Brandon ran away from home in north Barrie nine days ago and has not been seen or heard from since. He left home following a dispute with his parents over the Xbox online war game, Call of Duty 4, which he spent countless hours and days playing over the last 18 months.

"I told him he wouldn't be getting his Xbox back. He said, `Then I'm going to leave home.'"

Steve called his son's bluff and even helped him pack his knapsack.

"I really thought he would be home later that day with his tail between his legs," said Steve, who remembers running away from home once when he was a boy.

Brandon took off on his yellow bike, which was spotted just hours later in a ditch about eight kilometres northeast of the family's home. Steve suspects the 5-foot-3, 100-pound boy was on his way to meet some friends in Oro-Medonte Township. His three best buddies from school were also members of his "Call of Duty Clan."

Steve has since learned from these friends that Brandon may be part of another clan, but the friends have no idea who those members are. He fears the boy was lured into meeting someone from that clan and is now being held against his will.

Barrie police and OPP have conducted ground and aerial searches and yesterday added reinforcements, The Canadian Press reported. Police and the Crisp family yesterday urged cottagers and homeowners in the area to check their properties for any sign of Brandon.

"It's a very high-end area of Barrie where there are multi-million-dollar cottages owned by (people) who only use them two or three months a year. My best hope is that Brandon is having a great time, eating all their food," Steve said.

Brandon has never run away before and would've called if he knew of his family's distress, he added.

"He has a good heart," Steve said of his son, who was a straight-A student until his obsession with gaming started in 2006. The boy purchased Call of Duty with Christmas money and Steve subscribed to Xbox online at his son's urging.

"It was peer pressure. He wanted to play with his three best friends but they live half an hour away. So they would put their headsets on, meet up online and play a game," Steve explained.

But he said the game became an "addiction" and "obsession" for the teen who played against other teams around the world, staying up all night and spending his summer holidays indoors.

Steve said he had taken the game away from Brandon more than 20 times in the past, including the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend after learning the boy had skipped school the day before and taken $20 off the kitchen table, meant for one of his two sisters. But the following day, Brandon was playing the game again after finding it hidden in his father's bathroom vanity. So Steve, a renovator, removed it for good, this time taking it out of the house to his workshop.

"I just want him to know we love him dearly. It doesn't matter what he's done. He won't be in trouble when he comes home. We're going to work things out," his father said.



 
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on October 25, 2008, 03:50:03 PM
Search continues for missing Ontario boy in cold, rainy weather
Module body

Sat Oct 25, 1:32 PM
       

What's this
By The Canadian Press

ADVERTISEMENT
 
ORO-MEDONTE, Ont. - Rain, mud and chilly weather have not deterred some 400 people from joining the ground search for missing Ontario boy Brandon Crisp.


The volunteers embarked Saturday on a second day of searching for the 15-year-old from Barrie, Ont., as software giant Microsoft doubled the reward money for information on his whereabouts to $50,000.


Public search organizer Charmaine Nolan, who works with Brandon's mother, said school bus loads of volunteers are scouring dense bush area and fields.


Barrie police, who are on day seven of their own search just southwest of the civilians, say no meaningful clues have turned up yet.


Sgt. Dave Goodbrand says people from Miami to British Columbia have offered assistance, including search and rescue expert Terry Grant, host of Canadian reality show "Mantracker," who flew in to help.


The teen ran away from home Oct. 13

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081025/national/missing_boy

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on October 30, 2008, 11:36:41 AM
I've just had a thought on Brandon and possibly some, not all runaways. Last night, we were driving down a major street in the city. There was a young man, not much older than Brandon holding a sign up that read, "Travelling, broke, hungry." It wasn't Brandon but the thought came to me that if we all payed closer attention to these young people, we might be able to bring some home. Every city has young people begging for money and food on major street corners. Some of these young people might be on a missing poster somewhere. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 12:48:15 PM
you know mauve; that's more than "just a thought".  I did see one kid...first ever in downtown Sydney one day.  He was at the gas station sitting on the curb of the entrance with same sign as you described....think same words.... I am so sorry now, that I didn't just pretend I was dialing a number on my cell and snap his pic.  You have a good mind mauve ....next time, I'll be on the ball.  I always think of it when I see someone get beat .... and I wouldn't think twice of finding out who the victim is and sending him a copy for proof he was beat.  Shit, you can't even get people around here to admit being in the same vacinity much less snap some proof for a victim.  From now on, if I see a young person begging (and they are from out of town) they are going to be on my cell for sure.  ...never know ...might save a life if people would do that.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on October 30, 2008, 01:40:27 PM
I've been guilty of driving by never paying much attention. Usually passing a fiver or so out the window but never really seeing these kids for what they might be, runaways, abused, unwanted, whatever the story.Until now I didn't have a cell phone that took pics.
I know one thing I've always done wherever I have gone. I travelled out west this summer and I looked for all the familiar missing kids Tamara Keepness(although I don't think she's a happy ending, Cedrika Provencher, even Madeleine McCann so on and so forth
I was at the Stampede, constantly scanning the crowd of faces hoping against hope. I thought I was doing all I could. It was only last night I realized I was just skimming the surface.
Thanx Ling, if everyone does that maybe we can bring home some missing kids. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on October 30, 2008, 02:52:28 PM
Word is Brandon Crisp's story will be on America's Most Wanted website, and if the Canadian Investigators feel that Brandon might be in the USA, they will do a feature on him on the Saturday night's show.

It's just so scary, how one child can disappear like that.  That's why people are starting to think something's bad has happened, he's been taken by someone.

He could have started out with a plan to take off, and go somewhere but ran into the wrong people, who could be holding him against his will.

How does a child walk off the face of the earth and never been seen again?

Why?  How?



Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
I agree; you can bet he talked to somebody ....more than likely ....more than one....after leaving.  And if his disappearance was legit, there would be people with info. on him.  Nobody can tell me a teen can disappear off the face of the earth that quick without help. 
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on October 30, 2008, 09:07:33 PM
Or...

His friends know where he is - holed up in some remote cottage - and were at first rebellious and defiant enough to resist telling the police, but now are too sacred since they might be charged or get into a lot of trouble.  Especially after all this effort and expense has gone into the search.

I think he will eventually turn up once the intensity of the attention has died down.

At least I hope so.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: haunted on October 30, 2008, 10:11:24 PM
Shwa:

I was thinking the same thing. That once the police and everyone got involved searching for Brandon that maybe he perceived it as being too far gone and that he was not prepared for the 'troubele' he would perceive of it raining down on his, as well as not wanting all of the attention, good and bad, because it would be too embarassing with the entire country watching. He is just a child and children tend to worry first that amount of trouble they're going to receive before anything else, even if that is irrational given the circumstances.

I pray that is the situation. I am sure that the postings on the video game might yield some info, has Microsoft given up that info yet, last I heard the family was trying to persuade Microsoft, who of course was standing behind their confidentiality agreement regarding their customers.

If I lived in that area of the country I would have been out searching for him.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on October 31, 2008, 04:24:23 AM
A quote taken from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10079261-52.html

Microsoft is also fully cooperating with police on the case, a spokesman said. He declined to comment on the specifics of that cooperation because the investigation is ongoing.

I did read in another article a few days ago (i'm currently looking for it) that Microsoft was in the process of identifying the last 200 gamers Brandon either play with or against.   But I haven't read that in any articles since.  Likely Microsoft has to keep this quiet.......because other gamers could protest this, because of the confidentiality agreement.  So I think we should keep in mind, that Microsoft could be helping big time, they're just not making it known to the public.

I just read this morning, that the Police are going to do one more search in the area where Brandon was last seen.    First they call off the search a few days ago, and now the search is back on.  Does this mean they have some sort of evidence to support the fact that Brandon is still in the area?  who knows?

For the last little while, I was convinced he was "holed up in some remote cottage" but it's been almost three weeks now, you would think Brandon would have ventured off outside, or something, wouldn't he?  Unless he was getting help from his friends.  I just don't know anymore.

I'm glad the police are trying one more time, maybe this will be it.  Maybe we will find Brandon!




Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on October 31, 2008, 06:49:10 AM
from the http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/528036

Last night, police were called to Bayfield Mall after a tipster reported seeing Crisp. Police surrounded and searched the mall, but turned up nothing.   

Maybe that's why they are resuming the search?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on October 31, 2008, 12:49:19 PM
Have the authorities check the bus station, train station, subway station in TO ASAP! Please
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 01, 2008, 07:15:03 AM
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28668.aspx

Two quotes taken from the article listed above.

They located a black sweater lying in a field where Crisp might have been, but they've so far been unable to link it to the boy.

In addition to the sweater, there was also a reported sighting of Brandon at a Barrie Mall. But once again, hopes were dashed for the teen's desperate mom and dad. The investigation didn't yield any further clues.

Mauv's right, they better check all stations asap, because if it was Brandon at the mall, now there's a good chance he's fully aware of what's going on, and could feel that he's gotta get out there.



Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: haunted on November 01, 2008, 08:19:50 AM
Excellent that AMW is going to do something for Brandon. That is the best media coverage I think. It will reach everywhere. The time lapse is definitely concerning. A few days, maybe a week I can see a kid hiding out, friends conspiring to help but this has gone on an awful long time. Also I don't understand why he would have abandoned his bike. It used to be, anyway, that a kids bike was a pretty important possession and if living in a rural community can be a means of transportation. If he was going somewhere why not ride your bike there? Is the trail where the bike was found near a road, where he could have hitched a ride. If he hitched ride in a truck, he would have thrown his bike in the box but if he hitched a ride in car he might have had to leave his bike. I don't know the area whatsoever, so these are just things that have come to my mind. I could be way off.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 01, 2008, 09:03:12 AM
Hi Haunted,

I agree with you.  I used to live in the country, and my bike was my method of transportation (aside from my parents taking me to places etc), but if I wanted to take off for a bit etc, my bike was the way to go.

According to the witness who saw Brandon last, she said that Brandon was having difficulty with his bike.  Could that be the reason why the bike was abandoned?  If he was not able to ride the bike, it would have been more of a hassle for Brandon to keep the bike with him, so perhaps he ditched it.

I will be tuning into AMW tonight.  Brandon's on the website now.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: haunted on November 01, 2008, 09:05:02 AM
Fantastic. I will be watching tonight as well. My thoughts are with Brandon, praying that whereever he is, he is safe and with his family. I cannot imagine how his family must be feeling right now.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 03, 2008, 01:50:00 PM
well, it wasn't on AMW on Saturday night, but Brandon's profile is on amw.com now.

There's been an update.

They found Brandon's hoodie, and we now have a second person who saw Brandon the day he disappeared.

It sounds more and more like Brandon's hiding somewhere in the area.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 11:51:28 AM
Bad news:

Unfortunately, I just got word from my brother (he's watching the news) that they found Brandon Crisp, he was found dead on a trail near Barrie.

That's all the information I have so far.  Once they update the news sites, I will post more info.

I am so sad, and I feel so bad that this was a bad ending.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: debbiec on November 05, 2008, 11:54:44 AM
That's very sad news Syiena. I thought this one still had a chance at a good outcome. I wonder what happened to him?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 12:00:41 PM
I'm patiently waiting for a news site to post it on their website, likely in a few minutes it will be.

This was breaking news on CP24 so I imagine it's currently being written on the sites.

I wonder too Debbie.  We did have a few days of rotten cold weather, including a snowstorm near Barrie.  They did find his sweatshirt earlier on in the week, so he was just wearing a t-shirt, with the cold weather, I wonder if it was related to that.

So sad.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 12:11:34 PM
http://www.680news.com/news/national/more.jsp?content=n110583A

finally, I found a website that has updated news.



Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 05, 2008, 12:12:29 PM
RIP Brandon; we had prayed for your return.  It seems God has plans for you.  I hope everybody, here, will talk of this with their families and acquaintences for a long, long time to come.... reminding families of their bonds and how fragile things can get all of a sudden.  Please let us remember Brandon and his loved ones - always in our hearts - so that this will not have been in vain.  
I am thinking of the heartache and feelings of loss on behalf of all the hundreds of dedicated searchers - their efforts, their trials, their prayers and that of their families as well.  Everybody giving their all, searching, those praying and watching from home (because they couldn't be at the front) all those Brandon's age who had to be feeling certain that this boy would just surface on his own;  and renew their young naive beliefs of invincible teens..... please don't let this adventurous boy have "gone down" invain....let it be his sacrifice that you will realize that your youth doesn't make you totally right, totally invincible.  ...your family does that.. at least, they try their best.  The rest is up to you.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 12:14:43 PM
CP24 is reporting now and will go live to the press conference by Barrie Police in a few moments.  It appears that they are about to tell Brandon's school in an assembly this afternoon.  The Star is reportng that his body may have been found where is bike was originaly found which would mean something else about any search they had done...

Very sad.   :(
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 12:20:12 PM
Hey Shwa,

Unfortunately our office doesn't have a tv (lol).  Would you mind giving us an update when you watch the press conference?

Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 12:49:25 PM
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28854.aspx
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: xxnine_inch_nailsxx on November 05, 2008, 01:11:27 PM
"At this point we believe it to be Brandon, and we're still obviously in the early stages of our investigation," Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of the Barrie police said Wednesday. "It's not confirmed because nothing's confirmed until we have pathology, but we believe it to be Brandon."

The news came Wednesday. The 15-year-old had stormed out of his parents' home on Oct. 13 in a tiff over his obsession with an online video game.

On Oct. 19, police started searching for the teen in an area just northeast of Barrie, focusing on the Hickling trail that runs along the north shore of Lake Simcoe's Kempenfelt Bay. At one point, a helicopter searched from the air, a police boat patrolled the shoreline and officers accompanied by dogs checked the woods and fields in the rural area.

From Oct. 24-26, volunteers searched an area outside the police grid.

Police ended their ground search on Oct. 28, but the search resumed again last Saturday, canvassing motorists and others for information.

This work uncovered a new witness who placed Brandon's location further east than originally thought.

When Brandon left home, he didn't have a cellphone, wallet or bank card with him. Police said he had little more than the clothes on his back.

Steve and Angelika Crisp, Brandon's parents, feared their son may have been grabbed by some online predator he may have met while playing "Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare."

Goodbrand said investigators have spoken with the Crisps.

"They're obviously distraught by the information," he said.

With files from The Canadian Press
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 01:27:27 PM
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/531082

The body of Brandon Crisp, the 15-year-old Barrie boy who fought with his parents over video games, has been found.

Police said early this afternoon that hunters found the body near the Fourth Line in Oro-Medonte Township northeast of Barrie.

The teen was last seen Oct. 13 after he ran away from home when his parents took away his Xbox console because of what they said was his addiction to the online game ?Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

?Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of Barrie Police said this afternoon that police have to work with the OPP and medical examiners before they can officially confirm that the body found is Brandon's.

However, students at Brandon's school, St. Joseph's High School in Barrie, were told the sad news at a special assembly this afternoon.

Many were in tears as they left the school.

Goodbrand also said that Brandon's parents had been notified. ?They?re obviously distraught by the information,? he said.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 02:27:55 PM
Sweet Jesus, this is not the ending we hoped for. An innocent act like rebelling and running away and the life of a promising young man is taken. My prayers and sympathies go out to Brandon's friends, family and loved ones. They have some measure of peace in knowing he has been found. I would imagine in all likelihood he succumbed to hypothermia. Not a pleasant way to go for a young, scared boy.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 05:07:57 PM
the latest

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/531082

The police do not suspect foul play.

I think Mauv hit the nail on this one, likely hypothermia.  It was pretty cold during one of the week he disappeared, including snowstorms. 

RIP Brandon.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 05:30:07 PM
This is just way too distressing. The facebook group I joined "where is Brandon Crisp" has been removed due to the disgusting comments people have been leaving on it.  I left a personal note of sympathy  on the site when I learned of the tragedy and I read Sy's link and I think it said within a half an hour they had over 100 messages of sympathy. I can't see why people would need to write hateful things at this time, I'm sure the parents already feel guilty enough. The way I see it children don't come with a How To Manual, you do the best you can to discipline them and leave the rest with the Creator. This is just a terrible, terrible tragedy.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 05:37:06 PM
ugh Mauv, are you serious?

What kind of a world do we live in, this is a sad sad tragedy, oh this just makes me so frustrated and angry that people would go and make disgusting comments, and now they shut down a facebook group that helped brought everyone together to mourn the lost of Brandon. 

I should add that before Brandon was found, someone created a fake facebook profile, and used Brandon's picture (the one that was used in the search), and started to make postings such as: Stop looking for me, you will never find me"

Obviously everyone's reaction was, tell this person where to go, and how this is such an awful thing for him to do.  but you know what, it's a waste of breath, because he didn't see it as a bad thing, he saw it as a funny thing. We reported this person, and hopefully the Police were able to get an IP address and track this person down.

I wonder how he feels now, that Brandon was found dead.  I hope he feels awful!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: capeheart on November 05, 2008, 05:47:19 PM
So sorry to hear of Brandon's death, my condolences and prayers to his parents and friends. It is so sad that this has happened and how quickly things can end in tragedy.  Brandon went missing at a time when the weather was pretty cold and it is possible he died of being out in the cold and not being dressed properly and became disoriented.  As Mauve indicated, he possibly died of hypothermia. Prayers once again to family and friends of Brandon Crisp.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 07:11:44 PM
No, this isn't the fake one Sy, it was the one set up when he first went missing. Had something like 22,000  members or thereabouts. To me it couldn't have been closed down at a worse time when his friends and school mates needed to vent their love and prayers.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
Sorry I was mentioning another thing that had happened, and someone did that particular incident in the group that was made on facebook (the 22,000) that you speak of.  I wasn't all that clear, oops sorry.

It happened like a week and a half ago, and in that group, someone with a fake profile and a picture of Brandon was going around making posts, making reference that he's Brandon.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 06, 2008, 07:30:07 AM
disgusting sickos started a brandon crisp group on facebook. it is horrible and I pray his family does not come across it before fb takes it down. I called Barrie police today to report it and get this.... they cant do anything about it they say. pfffft
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 06, 2008, 07:37:45 AM
It's been taken down already.

There's a bit of confusion here.

There was a group created when Brandon went missing.  It was a very popular group, like Mauv said 22,000 people or so.  It allowed people to get together and write msgs to the family and friends.

Unfortunately, when Brandon was found deceased yesterday, some people started to write awful comments, and then the group was taken down (I don't know who did it) but the group was removed.

If there's something you want to report and it's on facebook, I would suggest that you contact the facebook creators or admin, there's an option that says report user, or something.  As well, contact the admins of the group, and they can either delete the postings, or remove the group period.  The police won't be able to do anything.

I should let you know, that there's another group that has been created, called in memory of Brandon Crisp, which I will be joining in a second.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 06, 2008, 07:41:24 AM
The group I just joined called in memory of Brandon crisp, the admins of it were smart.  They have set it up so wall postings cannot be made, including new threads.

Atleast the family can see how many people have been brought together and that we are all mourning the loss of Brandon.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Chris on November 07, 2008, 04:23:56 AM
I'm very sorry about this poor childs death. There is something weird about this case, I know they said no foul play involved, but I have a weird feeling for some reason.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 07, 2008, 09:55:22 AM
You know Chris..funny you should say that. I was just thinking when I got up this morning, "why are they doing an autopsy, the elements probably killed that poor boy," Then the thought struck me, for some reason that the father could be lying. I thought, "why on earth would you think that?" But you know, it wouldn't be the first time a parent got carried away on the punishment aspect. Weird...just plain weird.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 07, 2008, 12:15:10 PM
They do autopsy's to determine cause of death when the death occurred 'out of bounds' meaning unusual and yes suspicious.  The sad fact is, Brandon could have died from the elements, but he also could have died of a drug overdose, a beating or some other unusual circumstance.  The autopsy will clear the light on it.

I believe he passed away due to exposure.  Many people do not realize how amoral and unforgiving Mother Nature can be if one is not prepared or informed.  I have drifted in a canoe on a sunny spring afternoon in the middle of breath taking beauty all the while realizing that the means to my end was merely 12 inches to either side of me and it would only take 15 seconds in the water that the ice had come out of the day before.  The saving grace, if there is any, is that I have heard that exposure, typically of the sedentary victim (one who is not moving much) is that it comes upon one like sleep.  As bad as this may sound to smoe, I hope this was the case for Brandon, that he just fell asleep.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 07, 2008, 03:37:34 PM
Shwa: That was a rhetoricial question to myself. I know why they do autopsies and I also know what hypothermia does to you because I was a nurse for fifteen years. It was just funny (not as in ha-ha) why that crossed my mind this morning just out of the blue.
I also wish Brandon had just fallen asleep, but something tells me there is more to this than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: debbiec on November 07, 2008, 03:58:53 PM
I believe that Brandon was found not too far from where his bike was found. That's a curiosity to me, as I thought that area had already been searched. I wonder how they missed his body (if it was there) the first time. I also heard that his bike was damaged, so I wonder how that happened. It also does not make much sense to me that if you're bike got damaged somehow you would just stay there with it.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 07, 2008, 04:40:03 PM


I am trying to find out more information on Brandon Crisp. I wonder , when the autopsy is done, if they will have some sort of time lines. For sure, hopefully, they will know when he died. What were the conditions. There were some snappy cold days, I remember reading.

I also want to know who he stayed with before he was found. Did he camp out at friends houses?The parents totally un aware? HUH? You say! Well, I had a boy in my house for 2 days, hiding in the furnace room. I had 4 teens, and they had a lot of friends, but was I pissed.!

Debbie, do you know how bad his bike was damaged? Like was it hit, or what?I know they found his Hoody first, leaving the boy with just a t shirt. If he was with friends, they would have given him clothes. So it is possible, he went elsewhere, and holed up for a while, then left. I hope all houses in the area are searched thoroughly.

As Shwa says, the autopsy will shed some light.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: debbiec on November 07, 2008, 04:57:25 PM
I haven't heard anything more about the bike since the initial report. I even wondered how far away from his bike his body was. Could he have fallen somehow, or did he get accosted along that path by someone who killed him and left him in the bush? It will be interesting to see how long he was deceased.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 07, 2008, 06:00:05 PM
Shwa: I hope you didn't take my comments as snippy because I realize they might have come off sounding that way. Sometimes even on here I think out loud while I'm typing and it comes out in my writings.
Debbie and Adrian: There was a woman witness who saw him the first night he was missing near where his bike was found abandoned and she said he seemed to be having difficulty with it but she didn't even know what the problem was. It was a mountain bike so maybe someone who has one of those would know what could go wrong to cause him to just abandon it. The bike was approxiamately 4 kms from the body according to CTV news reports.
You know another thing I wondered about. Cellphone, kids today all have cellphones, he had a what was it X-box, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think he'd have a phone. That would have saved his life, providing it was charged fully enough. Now, I know with mine sometimes in the bush, you have to go a ways to get a signal. Sad case, terribly sad.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 07, 2008, 07:03:13 PM
some quotes taken from

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/532437


1) "The body was resting in weeds nearly as tall as the deer hunters who found it."
it is possible that the body could be missed during one of the searches, between the tall weeds, cornfields, and not to mention that the focus of the search was on the area near the trail.  As well, reports say it doesn't appear that he was in the same spot for the last three weeks.

"Brandon's fully clothed body appeared so neat, his clothing so unsullied, the hunters thought that, although he'd clearly been there a while, he couldn't possibly have been out there for three weeks, the time he'd been missing since running away from his Barrie home Thanksgiving Monday." some good questions you guys have.  did brandon hide at a friend's house, was he at someone's cottage, the above quote says that he couldn't have possibly been there for the whole three weeks, also we had like multiple searches, surely someone might have found him if he was in the same spot throughout the whole three weeks

"They were hunting in a wooded area between Oro-Medonte line 4 and 5, about a kilometre north of the Oro trail. The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon's body."  so sad.

"You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said. "It's heartbreaking. It shouldn't have ended this way," he said, his eyes filling with tears.

I'm very interested in hearing what the autopsy results are.  A very sad case as Mauv said, absolutely dreadful.





The 15-year-old was last seen on a biking trail between Barrie and Orillia, between Oro-Medonte Line 2 and 3. Hundreds of local volunteers and police scoured the region, combing through acres of brush between Line 1 and Line 10. But, said Sgt. Dave Goodbrand, the focus was always on the area near the trail.

Civilian-led search teams had canvassed the area where the body was found, but the ground is marsh-like and the terrain uneven.





 
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 07, 2008, 08:45:46 PM
 :)

Hey mauve, Quit thinking out loud, you are starting to sound like me. Ha! Just a funning with ya! Sometimes I want to put a thread in Members section just for my thoughts, that are scattered, all over. You are all a great bunch of people!

Thanks for the link Syenna. Also shows where he was found.

Exactly how long was Brandon Crisp Missing for? I better check the first postings. I don't get to watch much TV, with the hours I have.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/532437

 November 07, 2008
Robyn Doolittle
Staff Reporter


The body was resting in reeds nearly as tall as the deer hunters who found it.

The hunter who stumbled upon the grim find picked up his walkie-talkie and radioed the others who were scattered around the bush.

"I found something," he said in a shaky voice. "It's a boy, 15, maybe 14. His shoes are on. There's a backpack."

They immediately knew who it was ? Brandon Crisp.

Brandon's fully clothed body appeared so neat, his clothing so unsullied, the hunters thought that, although he'd clearly been there a while, he couldn't possibly have been out there for three weeks, the time he'd been missing since running away from his Barrie home Thanksgiving Monday.

He looked to be at peace ? something that would be consistent with hypothermia, which some investigators are quietly speculating could well have been the cause of death.

A post-mortem is scheduled for today.

Brandon was last seen about three kilometres southwest of where the group, local men who had set out around 9:30 a.m, was hunting deer.

"We'd only been out there about 20 minutes," said one of the men.

They were hunting in a wooded area between Oro-Medonte line 4 and 5, about a kilometre north of the Oro trail. The woods are bordered by cornfields and tall, brown grass, the perfect hiding place for deer. And Brandon's body.

"You could have missed it even from five feet away," the hunter said. "It's heartbreaking. It shouldn't have ended this way," he said, his eyes filling with tears.

The hunters called OPP from one of the men's nearby homes. Police arrived around 10:30 a.m. and the homeowner drove the detectives to the site on his ATV.

Police have said they aren't ruling out anything, but based on preliminary evidence they aren't expecting this to be homicide. Sources familiar with the case said a leading theory is that the boy became disoriented and died of hypothermia, an abnormally low body temperature.

Brandon ran away after his parents took away his Xbox. Angelika and Steve Crisp later explained the Grade 10 student had become addicted to a popular online game, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

Infuriated, the teen threatened to leave. Sure the boy was bluffing, Steve helped Brandon pack his bag.

"I really thought he would be home later that day with his tail between his legs," the distraught father told the Star two weeks ago.

The 15-year-old was last seen on a biking trail between Barrie and Orillia, between Oro-Medonte Line 2 and 3. Hundreds of local volunteers and police scoured the region, combing through acres of brush between Line 1 and Line 10. But, said Sgt. Dave Goodbrand, the focus was always on the area near the trail.

Civilian-led search teams had canvassed the area where the body was found, but the ground is marsh-like and the terrain uneven.

Marguerite Watson had been out searching too, but she and her husband, Roy, are elderly and could only watch the roads. It was at the very back of her property, past the cornfield, that Brandon was found. OPP set up a command post at the farm.

"All along. All this time," she said, her voice cracking. "A 15-year-old boy was found on our property. You have no idea how upsetting ..."

In town, students gathered for a morning mass at St. Joseph's High School. Principal Matt McCann said Wednesday was one of the toughest days of his career.

"I feel very numb," he said. "We knew when the police came to get the girls (Crisp's sisters who are students at the school) in the morning that that wasn't a good sign."

At about 12:30 p.m. officers contacted the school and confirmed McCann's worst fears. "We took about 20 minutes to figure out what we were going to say and then called everyone together," he said.

I will keep my eyes open for any updates, on the autopsy done today. May some kind of Peace or closure come to Brandon's family.This young fellow, had his whole life ahead of him. Makes you wonder how Addictive some games are!I think that many people are addicted to internet games, not just kids. I wish there could be some controls, as far as young people are concerned. I feel they need the outdoors more, and face to face socializing.It is just too easy to whole up in your room, and become dependent on the inter action with others in a game.

Maybe I am wrong, but remember how Dungeons and Dragons, had many students, and college kids, taking it to the limit, and fantasy became reality, and people died.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 07, 2008, 11:36:15 PM
No, I didn't think you were being snippy.

No cause yet... from the Star:  http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/533122

No cause of death yet in Brandon Crisp case

Robyn Doolittle
Staff Reporter

It was sunny and a balmy 26 degrees outside when Brandon Crisp fled his east-end Barrie home, wearing a T-shirt and jeans, around 3 p.m. Thanksgiving Monday.

But over the next three days the mercury plunged below zero, while throughout the week spotty showers passed through the region. The 15-year-old had also grabbed his jacket, a backpack, some deodorant and a toothbrush, but he had no cellphone or cash by all accounts, and no food or water.

Deer hunters discovered Crisp's body Wednesday morning in a wooded area east of Barrie, less than half a kilometre from an old farmhouse. An autopsy was conducted Friday, but a cause of death has not yet been determined. OPP officers don't suspect foul play. And for now, investigators are quietly speculating Crisp may have fallen victim to the elements, dying of hypothermia.

The teen was an avid fan of outdoor survival shows, said Sgt. Dave Goodbrand of the Barrie police. After Crisp disappeared, one theory was that he may have been camping out in the Oro-Medonte woods. By the end of the week, police were scouring the terrain by helicopter equipped with heat sensors, but by that point it might have been too late.

The problem with hypothermia, said Dr. Gordon Giesbrecht, a thermophysiologist based in Saskatoon, is that it can come on slowly.

"By the time you may realize you need help, it's too late," he said over the phone. "Other than the fact that you start to shiver, you feel cold, (maybe) you might experience pain and eventually numbness . . . there's no other sign that you're getting hypothermic."And once your core temperature starts to drop, you begin to lose brain function.

"You're becoming less and less aware of what's going on," said Giesbrecht.

One of the hunters who found Crisp told the Star the teen was not wearing his jacket. It was lying beside him.

This, said Giesbrecht, can be typical of hypothermic victims. In the end stages, before falling unconscious, some victims who have survived reported feeling a strong sense of warmth, he said. The brain isn't functioning properly, and people are known to remove clothing.

The body temperature can begin to drop in temperatures as warm as 10 degrees.

"Wetness just accentuates the problem of heat loss," Giesbrecht said. "So if it's raining and its 10 to 15 degrees and you're stuck outside, that is a significant heat stress."

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 08, 2008, 11:49:22 AM
I so hope that Brandon's father was not involved in this. I suspect he ran away and probably was hiding out in cottages foraging whatever food he could find to  survive on. Chances are he ended up where he was found AFTER they did the ground search there. Probably died from exposure as his jacket was next to him, not on him.
As the newspaper states, when one is exposed they first get very cold then very warm.
Weird the autopsy is not showing anything. Sounds like exposure to me.
A very sad ending.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 08, 2008, 12:02:20 PM
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081108/crisp_autopsy_081107/20081108?hub=Toronto

the autospy came in.

"The cause of the death was determined through medical examination to be as a result of injuries to the chest area that are consistent with a fall from a tree," a police report said early Saturday."

"The hope is that forensic experts will be able to determine exactly when and how Brandon died."

 
 


Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 08, 2008, 12:08:42 PM
OMG: A fall from a tree? There are also any amount of things other than that, that would cause injuries such as those. Now I know why this case has been bothering me, (other than the fact we didn't find him alive.) There are bears in that area, maybe one chased him up a tree and he might not have known bears are excellent climbers. Like I said in an earlier post, something isn't right with this picture.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: debbiec on November 08, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
Early on I had read somewhere that his bike was damaged, and I had wondered if he had fallen somehow. It still doesn't explain how he got where he was, unless he wondered around for a while after having fallen. I wonder how they determine the difference between a receiving the injuries in a fall or from being hit very hard.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 08, 2008, 01:23:07 PM
By The Canadian Press
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081108/national/missing_teen
TORONTO - Autopsy results on the body of a Barrie, Ont. teen found three weeks after he ran away from home reveal he died of injuries to his chest.

A post-mortem examination on Brandon Crisp, conducted at the Chief Coroners Office in Toronto, state the injuries are consistent with falling from a tree.

Using dental records, coroners confirmed the body found Wednesday in a wooded area by hunters was that of the 15-year-old.

Police released the information Saturday after giving the findings to his family last night.

They have also ruled out foul play.

Brandon's parents say he fled home following a dispute with them over his obsessive Xbox video gaming habits.

ok SO PICTURES I SAW OF WHERE HE WAS FOUND DEAD HAD NO TREES.WHERES THE TREE HE FELL FROM? DID HE MANAGE TO WALK AFTER HE FELL,ENDING UP WHERE THEY FOUND HIS BODY?? HOW DO THEY KNOW HE FELL FROM A TREE AND WASNT BEATEN IN THE CHEST??????
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 08, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
I say bull....... fall from the front end of a high vehicle is more like it.... maybe one he just jumped out of ...or that just delivered him there.... that's why his jacket wasn't on him. 
Sorry; but I don't believe for a minute that's all was in the autopsy report.... the one they released maybe, but no the real one.
I'll wager my new car that he had rope or restraint marks on his wrists..... he was not roaming all this time until he died... that is total bull. imo
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 08, 2008, 01:57:30 PM
I found out why he abandoned his bike. A news story I was reading said it had two flat tires. I'm confused though. Another news story said he was found beside a tree, (might have been the one he supposedly fell from) and the hunters said no, there wasn't a tree in sight. So, it really bothers me, because Ontario had a pathologist who they had investigated heavily that sent a lot of innocent parents to jail. He then moved to Saskatchewan but Saskatchewan let him go when Ontario advisedthem of the upcoming hearings
against him and now I'm wondering, Is the one that did Brandon's autopsy leaning too far the other way? I have no faith in our pathologists now, none whatsoever.
Ling, they said in news reports his jacket was found a few feet from his remains. I agree with Waa though, the stories aren't adding up. It's one thing in one report, an entirely different thing in another. She's right, there is no tree in the pictures they took where the body was found. I'll say it again...something isn't right here.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 08, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
Brandon Crisp:

I know I am no brainiac or intellectual, but that report stinks!!!! He may well have fallen from a tree, but where was the closest one. If the fall confused, and disoriented him, he could have walked a distance.What damage was done to his chest area?A fall on a rock? a tree stump? his bike?

Something is a bit too creepy going on here. Where was he held, or holed up in, or did he die, shortly after he left home???He could of met anyone from the Game he played on the net. He was found after about 3 weeks!!!Would not the autopsy, be able to give a ball park figure of the time of death?

To the friends, and family of Brandon Crisp, may you find some sence of peace knowing he is now in the arms of the Creator.I hope more answers come soon, and addictions to gaming on the net, can be dangerous.

(((((((hugs)))))) to all the Family, and friends, and classmates.May peace be with you.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 08, 2008, 03:01:58 PM
definetly something wierd going on, it just doesn't make sense.

word is the forensic investigators are working on trying to figure out where he died, and if possible the time of death.

I imagine we will hear more information over the next few days or so.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 08, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
here goes; I'll accept the consquences when I'm proven wrong. 
If there were marks on his wrists, they would hold that back in case it was somebody "untouchable" involved.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 08, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
I have to agree with Ling. Something fishy..they had to use dental records(read waa's post) and the clothes he was wearing to identify him so reports say, yet if you read the hunters words when they found him they said, "he looked so peaceful, almost as if he was sleeping." Forgive my crassness, but from my experience with decomposing bodies, they look anything but peaceful." Who has a reason to hold out on the truth? The hunters...no
Why so quick to rule out foul play? It's only been three days investigating, he was gone for almost three weeks.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 08, 2008, 05:03:45 PM
where we at again; the alzhimers (sp) is kicking in - was it Mexico???
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 08, 2008, 05:13:44 PM
what would you all say if I "wasn't a bit surprised" Brandon's poor little body would be found by two hunters?...... felt days before? .... well I did! .... mauve and adrian can confirm this.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 08, 2008, 05:18:22 PM
Yes I can confirm that Ling. This case saddens, stuns and totally baffles me and I'm not sure why for two of the three. I know why I'm extremely sad but if he fell out of a tree then I'm Mona Lisa reincarnated.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 08, 2008, 09:31:37 PM
mauve; I just saw that tree on the news; it was an over-head zoom-in view, and the tree was sparcly limbed - was quite high - looked like deadwood (maybe because leaves have fallen) - lowest limbs seemed too high off ground for climbing, unless a person was in good enough shape to wrap themselves around the trunk and shimmy up to the lowest branches.  Let's say they could; I don't think that boy at any point this far from home and comfort and a decent meal, was in shape for that.  Also, if he did fall from that tree, I think he would have broken extremities - not smashed his chest.  That whole theory is so far out, I can't believe it.  No one would fall from a tree and land on their chest ...they would land on arms and legs, albeit, probably break one or two, but certainly not the chest.  That's pure diversional remarks by the authorities for whatever reason - imo.
I climbed trees before I could ride a bike... and still did it in my thirties getting apples from the top of tall trees.  I've fallen dozens of times and always hurt my legs and arms - hands and feet.  ...never fell on my chest once.  There would be a more likely possibility of breaking ones neck.  The only way I could smash my chest falling out of a tree is if I landed on rocks that were higher than the grounds surface.
I feel terrible for that family - I remember how horrible it was when Clayton was found dead...and he was only missing two days.... imagine those poor people!...waiting weeks and a family never can give up hope...it goes without saying...your love keeps you hoping against all odds.
I really feel those parents did right by that boy.  I believe he had, as was suggested before in statements after his disappearance, "lost his identity" to his obsession of the video game.  I can see that very possible.  Those games and machines are so real, you become part of it.... you can feel that while just watching someone else play for a few minutes.  I think they did what they had to do for that boy, and if it hadn't been the game obsession, it may have very well been some other obsession.  Teens have tendencies in that direction and also have the great ability to be obstanate and as soon as those teen hormones kick in, they feel right about everything, and totally grown up.
God help those parents to get through this...also the family and friends.  They are very much in my family's hearts and prayers at the moment.  RIP Brandon...I'm sure you and Clayton will be good friends.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 09, 2008, 10:23:12 AM
You pretty well said it all Ling. That's what is haunting me. My little five year old and three year old grandsons climb trees all the time and their automatic response is to hold their arms out cushioning the fall. I just can't see this tree theory in my minds eye and I've been watching posts on blogs and memory sites that have cropped up and a lot of others are saying the same thing. He was a goalie for a triple A midget team reports state so he would have been in good shape even as small as he was. He was also within eyesight of a farmhouse, why not just go there? Nothing makes sense at this point.
It would have been a lot easier to cope with a hypothermia diagnosis. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 09, 2008, 11:40:50 AM
I would like to know if his jacket was inside out or partially inside out; I wish there was a way of knowing this.  This is for my own reasons.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 09, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
I'll see what I can find out about the jacket. All I've heard so far is that it was found within a few feet of the remains.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 09, 2008, 02:18:01 PM


Yes Ling, I remember the DREAM you sent to me. I still have it. You should put it here.

After looking at the tree where Brandon was found, it is conceivable, he did climb it, and became dis oriented and fell out of it. He may have landed ion, a broken branch, or rock, or piece of steel. We don't know yet.If he was weak,   he may have fallen asleep up in it for a bit.

Something kept him from going to the farm house located near by.I still wonder when he died. How long was he gone missing, till he died? Did he meet someone?

I feel for his family so much!
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: capeheart on November 09, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
That is very interesting Lost, I do have similar dreams at times and you really can distinguish which ones are the psychic ones and which ones are just ordinary dreams. It is so real at times, you try to wake up and you can't, it is like a trance.  So is this what happened to Brandon, he climbed a tree and fell out of it. I did not know that was how he died.  Such a tragedy, gone so soon and so young. Prayers to all.  And sure am interested in your dreams, Lost.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 09, 2008, 06:29:26 PM
You know Ling I've been thinking. The autopsy said injuries consistent with a fall from a tree. What about a fall from a 2 storey farmhouse trying to escape or a barn hay loft?  I mean everyone in Barrie knew Brandon was missing yet here he is found a few hundred feet from the farmhouse where the woman claimed she never knew he was there?  Found on her property no less. I'm not trying to make a conspiracy out of this. It just a few points don't add up, they might never but this case is really bothering me. Something like Christina's. Maybe he was hiding out in their barn hay loft(had one of those when I was a kid, my Dad was always telling me not to go up there because the weight of the hay made it unsafe). Anyways they found him, either before or after he was passed. I know it reads like a who-dunnit, but we see it on here all the time where people are kept hidden and then turn up dead. Kristen French from the Bernardo(Teale) case was alive for ten days. I just think the police are too quick to close this case. Thousands of searchers and he has passed from a fall from a tree, in seeing distance of a not one but a number of farm houses?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 09, 2008, 09:43:21 PM
If we go back to the instance of the search - I always wonder, in these seaches where they use tracking dogs - do the regular searchers stay behind the guys with the tracking dogs?  I'm sure it would be almost impossible to have the dogs cover tens of miles prior to other searchers, because time is of the essence before whomever is lost - and maybe hurt - becomes a victim of the elements or nature.  It would be impossible to have the dogs go over the area first, unless there were dozens of dogs - ergo - wouldn't the dogs get confused with the fresh scent of all the searchers?
I'm just finding it difficult to believe there were dogs in this area, and not a trace of him back then. I definitely believe this boy wasn't there when they were searching. 
However, let's assume he was hiding out somewhere in the vacinity of that farm.  Most rural homes have animals that would react to intruders.  And on top of that, anybody in the area with tall grass, corn fields etc., - especially with buildings around, would probably have noticed him around at some point.
Another thing I believe, is that when police don't have answers, they say whatever they want us to think.  It's much more politically popular than admitting they failed.  All we get through the media, is a press release about the autopsy ... the autopsy is kept secret and even family members would have to almost fight to get it.
We don't know if the boy was already decomposing .... what other injuries he had besides his chest injuries .... what kind of condition his clothing were in .... what position he was found in .... when he had last eaten or if his stomach was empty.  How do they know for sure his injury came from climbing this tree and falling? .... how did he climb a tree with his hands behind his back?, because there's no way his chest would hit the ground first.
I just don't swallow what authorities dictate anymore.  They never admit anything that doesn't suit their image.
Is it not possible that the boy saw the search and kept himself hidden? He considered himself a soldier of sorts; and if he was determined enough to run away into the wilderness, he was probably also too stubborn and proud to come forward by going to the closest home...Is it not possible he could have found left over vegetables and fruit to eat?  Is it not possible he could have plundered one of the homes for food and maybe got caught?  Maybe he watched a vehicle drive away and thought it was safe to break in (I would if I was starving.)  A mall or baseball bat to the chest could kill a kid that size.  And once the deed is done, guess the best thing to do is make it look like the person fell from somewhere.  If there's no cliff or mountains, a tree will have to do!
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 05:23:03 AM
I don't think the police have closed the book yet.

They have forensic investigators trying to pinpoint the time of death, and the location if possible.

The autopsy report wasn't kept secret.  It was performed on Friday, the results were released to the family friday night and then released to the press/public on Saturday. 

I tried to put a picture up, lol but I'm still learning how to use the forums here.

If you click on this link, http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28954.aspx

You will see a map, and an area shaded out where the search took place, as well the location of the body.   It appears that the Police were in the right area, but now we can only assume that Brandon wasn't there during those searches.  Which means, either Brandon moved there after the searches, and then what's when the fall came into the picture, or that someone put him there.  My opinion?  I don't think there's anyone involved in this tragedy. 

I think Brandon was a kid who was quite angry at his parents, internet gaming can be quite addictive, and when that's suddenly taken away, you're upset, you're pissed.  I don't know where he went for about three weeks, but for the first little while, he could have easily broken into a cottage/farmhouse for food and shelter.  Word is he could have possibly been camping in the woods, so he could have done that for a while.   What we need to know is the time of death.  That's an important piece of info that would be nice to know.

Honestly, I think the Police did the best they could.  They had no leads to go on, just a couple of witnesses who spotted him on the day he went missing, and basically had no leads to go on for the remainder of the search.  I'm not saying the Police is perfect, but after reading numerous, actually many articles on this tragedy, it does appear the Police did all they could, given the fact they had no information to go on.


Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 07:16:20 AM
an updated news article

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28977.aspx

Some quotes taken from the news article listed above.

"Several trees, now barren of leaves, stand in the spot where Brandon's body was recovered, with forensic evidence showing he suffered injuries to his chest."

But while one answer has finally been revealed, the rest remain shrouded in mystery. Among them:

-How long after the teenager left home on October 13th did he meet his fatal accident?

-If the fall was recent, where had he been all that time?

-Why didn't searchers, who had looked in that area, find him before the accidental discovery last week?

-And what was Brandon doing in a tree? Speculation ranges from trying to get his bearings to possibly sleeping off the ground, but the truth may never be known.

Forensics experts are still hunting for clues, even as the community prepares to say a tear-filled farewell to the teen. "They are still at the scene trying to piece together the hours leading up to his death," Barrie Police Sgt. Dave Goodbrand confirmed on Saturday. "We're assisting them in trying to build a timeline and determine exactly why he was where he was."

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 10, 2008, 07:47:31 AM
I don't think we should dismiss our dreams or visions.Perhaps a new thread under "GENERAL" can be started for such things?

When they were finally beginning the search for the DTES Vancouver women a number of people had dreams / visions and even some Remotes and posted them to me. They are under Dreams on my website I believe.I will try to get the exact URL but right now am experiencing puter problems and cannot open more than one      window at a time.

If you read them you will see some pretty interesting similarities to what was disclosed during Pickton's trial.

The Missing Women's Joint Task force visited this page often and told me they take these dreams seriously so why don't others?
My Elders tell me that when we have these dreams/visions they are a GIFT and regardless of what we call them,they are a gift from Creator/God/Allah and should not be frowned upon.


Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 08:04:47 AM
the only information I could find out about the jacket was - "One of the hunters who found Crisp told the Star his jacket was lying beside him." 

Some quotes.

"One potential scenario that has been speculated upon has Brandon climbing a tree to find his bearings, because the body had been found in a dense brush area. Hunters who discovered the body have said Brandon wasn't visible from more than five feet away.

"He was coming home -- that makes much more sense," said Jenny McDonald, a parishioner who greeted well-wishers at St. Thomas' Anglican Church in Shanty Bay, where a book of condolences was set up. "He was probably just looking for some lights from a house to orient himself."




Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 08:06:19 AM
waabsy; that's a good idea - a place under Gereral for dreams we feel we have had due to great concern in these cases.  Actually, I know there is a section  here on dreams, but I haven't done a lot of the reading in that yet.  The only reason I posted the dream was because it was such a turbulent experience to me. I have been having them for years; and when they co-incide with a missing or murdered person/s event, it is most rattling to me - especially when I am someone else in the dream, but I don't know who I am - then I 'm hit "in the Head" so to speak, with an exact similar situation, in many respects - that I wasn't paying particular attention to - or a situation or happening which I wasn't even aware of.  Those who have these dreams know what i'm referring to by this.
Therefore, I suppose the appropriate thing to do would be to copy my posts on Brandon and save them for an appropriate place in a "Dreams" section.

I will delete these posts from this topic.  sorry about that Syiena.  I have noticed that the last few people to join this site, don't appreciate "feelings", "theories", "what-ifs" etc.  and appear to demand facts only.  This site seems to be changing in the last two weeks for sure.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 08:13:03 AM
another quote.

"The medical examiners will release information as to the time of death if they can determine it, but details on the body's condition won't be released out of respect to Brandon's family, he said."

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 08:21:24 AM
Syiena; what I said was:
"All we get through the media, is a press release about the autopsy ... the autopsy is kept secret and even family members would have to almost fight to get it."
This is a "general" statement I'm making - my opinion. 
Have you ever tried to get a copy of any official autopsy on a family member.  It might be easy if it's for an insurance company or something like that (to show cod) ... but even then, authorities want to send it directly to the insurance company.  ..when there's dubious circumstances surrounding a death, the authorities will hold the autopsy results back from you forever if you don't get a lawyer on their backs; or at least, be pretty savy about your family rights.

Maybe I'm off base on this, but it's been my experience more than once.  All we ever get is a statement about the autopsy from media.... regarding most cases.

....and I'm not a "complete idiot"; I do know the authorities and "their autopsy" are not finished deciding everything!
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 08:28:00 AM
no no no!

Hey Lost,

I'm just taking quotes from newspapers articles, more to keep everyone updated to what's going on, because I realize some members are not from the Ontario region, some may not have access to the updates, so I'm trying to help out with that.

You are entitled to your opinions, and I'm certainly not trying to take that away.   I welcome your theories, and you have certainly made some interesting postings.

I'll say it again, just so you guys know my intentions.

I try to provide updates, and I take quotes from different articles with hope that maybe someone might be able to take that information and learn something new that hasn't been discovered yet.



Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 08:28:56 AM
Also, please don't remove your postings. 


Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 08:37:59 AM
Lost,

Throughout the postings, you will notice that's all I have done.  was post quotes from articles, provide updates etc.

I didn't say anything about the theories, dreams etc.  To be honest, I don't know much about people and their dreams, therefore I don't say anything about that, because of 1) I don't know anything about it, and certainly don't want to step on any toes when I inquire about it.

I have no problems with anyone posting their theories, or talking about their dreams.  I welcome that.

We do have people reading the forums, so yes, it is important to state the hard facts, for maybe, someone who reads these postings, it just might ring a bell, and they may have a clue for the Police.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
Say no more Syiena;  you've just reminded me of how people come into this site and only want to see "the facts".  ....and being that I want to gain cridibility, not skepticism, I am plotting a new route "sticking to facts".

The only thing I don't like about that, however, is that most people who visit the site are capable of googleing and reading all the press releases on different topics ....what one hopes to find here is "the unusual"  - the scenarios that people come up with based on all they've seen and heard regarding many many cases over time.  This site is also a place where it's not unusual to find postings by people who are directly attached to the topic or victim/s.  This is where you can find all the extra facts .... the incidentals, scenarios, opinions and all that doesn't make it into the media, because it is not "politically correct" and/or because the authorities control the media.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
Syiena; maybe you can show me... I can't find it myself.
The autopsy report wasn't kept secret.  It was performed on Friday, the results were released to the family friday night and then released to the press/public on Saturday.  
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 09:38:28 AM
well there's no need to start changing what we post etc.

In fact, I encourage you to keep doing what you have been doing.  Maybe you will be able to provide a clue to this tragic day.

Have to keep in mind that some people may not have the time to be searching through the internet for articles, updates.  There's so much involved in the Internet, that I'm still learning about different tools, and I have been using the net for many many years!

Again, there has been no talk or disrespect in this particular posting referring to any dreams, theories as nonsense.  Nothing whatsoever.  

I should point out that it would be worthwhile to have people come up with theories, etc.  Just think, what if someone had a dream, posted it.  People gather to discuss it.  Person A goes, well what do we know about the jacket, Person B goes and posts a quote from the news about that jacket.  Person A uses that quote, and continues on with the discussion of the dream.





Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
sure Lost.

I will go and find the article. Give me a sec :)
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 09:50:15 AM
the map:
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 09:51:48 AM
I haven't found the article that I read it from.

But here's another article that said the results were released to the family Friday night.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081108/crisp_autopsy_081107/20081108/?site_codename=toronto

Another different article

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081106/crisp_body_081107/20081107/?site_codename=toronto

I can't find the original article that I read on the weekend, I have it bookmarked at home, not at work.

Hopefully this helps. Lost if you need me to pull it up, I will tonight :)
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 09:56:11 AM
Syiena; to upload a pic, just click on (+Additional Options) on the lower left hand side of the reply box
Sometimes you can actually copy/paste a pic - depending on where you get it from, but best way is as above - because it takes up less space in the topic thread.

PS - this means, however, that you would have to copy and save - scan and save the said pic on your pc first.  ...then when you hit Additional Options, you just browse to find it.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 10, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
Appropos article from CityTV (http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_28977.aspx)

Questions In Brandon Crisp Case May Never Be Fully Answered

Monday November 10, 2008
CityNews.ca Staff

There are still so many unanswered questions that hang over the death of Brandon Crisp. And his parents are preparing to lay him to rest knowing some may never be fully answered.

Dental records confirmed late Friday that the body found by hunters in a cornfield in Oro-Medonte on Wednesday was the missing 15-year-old. He'd stomped out of his Barrie home on Thanksgiving Day after his mom and dad took away his Xbox, fearing he'd become addicted to the video game "Call of Duty 4."

On Saturday, they finally received some of the answers so many had been seeking. An autopsy showed their son died not from hypothermia, as had been suspected, but instead in a fall, likely from a tree.

Several trees, now barren of leaves, stand in the spot where Brandon's body was recovered, with forensic evidence showing he suffered injuries to his chest.

But while one answer has finally been revealed, the rest remain shrouded in mystery. Among them:

-How long after the teenager left home on October 13th did he meet his fatal accident?

-If the fall was recent, where had he been all that time?

-Why didn't searchers, who had looked in that area, find him before the accidental discovery last week?

-And what was Brandon doing in a tree? Speculation ranges from trying to get his bearings to possibly sleeping off the ground, but the truth may never be known.

Forensics experts are still hunting for clues, even as the community prepares to say a tear-filled farewell to the teen. "They are still at the scene trying to piece together the hours leading up to his death," Barrie Police Sgt. Dave Goodbrand confirmed on Saturday. "We're assisting them in trying to build a timeline and determine exactly why he was where he was."

Brandon was the subject of intensive searches by police and volunteers during his three-week absence. Fears that he may have been abducted by someone he met online were resolved with his final tragic recovery, but it still doesn't explain where he went after a witness spotted him walking away from his damaged bike the day he disappeared.

A vigil for the teen is going to be held Monday night at a park not far from his home.

His parents, who were very public during the hunt, exhorting anyone with information to call them, have been in seclusion since the terrible discovery. They plan to make a public statement on Wednesday, likely to thank all those who tried to help find their child.

Visitation for Brandon Crisp will be held Thursday from 2pm-4pm and again at 7pm-9pm at the Worsley Street Chapel of the Steckley-Gooderham Funeral Home in Barrie.

The public funeral, which is expected to have a huge turnout, is scheduled for Friday at St. Mary's Church at 10am.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 03:26:42 PM
Hey Newbie!

There was a bunch of articles posted in this thread.  In fact, Lost has kindly posted the map a few postings ago.  This will give you an idea of where the search took place, and you will see where the body was found.

I'm sure there were people randomly searching for Brandon, throughout the three weeks.  Same goes for the Police.

However, one weekend a little while ago (a couple of weekends ago?) sorry, I can't remember the date, I've been a bit scatterbrained due to the flu I've had for the last week!   We had hundreds of searchers for Fri, Sat and Sun.  It lasted from morning to after supper.  It was an organized search, and everyone was assigned to different areas of the search region.   I could be wrong, but the map that I was talking about before, I believe that was the radius.

Anything you want to ask Newbie, hopefully we can answer it.  If you have any theories, any new information, please let us know.  It's a horrible tragedy, and we just can't make sense of what happened.

Regarding the ropes on his hands, this is just speculation.  However, I would be interested as well to find out how this quote came about, what made you think of this?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 10, 2008, 03:28:17 PM
Hey Newbie4, "If we give up hope then what is the point?"

The point is that there may be questions that simply cannot be answered and that the answers given thus far raise many more questions.  Comes to a point where, given the available evidence, that we have to settle for the unsatisfactory answer.  Many accidental deaths are just like this -many questions and too few answers where the truth, the objective and sure truth, simply is no longer available to us.

Which begs the question, what is the point of the "hope" exactly?

No one is suggesting that questions should not be asked or that investigations should not be undertaken where evidence warrants further investigation, just that, sooner or later, there is going to be a need for acceptance that we can't know everything.  That isn't a failing, it is just human nature.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
just curious as to why people (or person) think he may have had rope marks on his wrists?
where did that come from?
Thx

Newbie; try going back and reading the thread.
I made the remark about marks on his wrists - we don't know that there were any.  I was being sarcastic as to the fact that when someone falls out of a tree, especially one that's quite high, they usually always put their hands and/or feet out to break the fall. unless their hands are tied or trapped behind their backs??/

It's like the remark I made about the autopsy being secret - I am being sarcastic because it's almost impossible to get autospy results (even the family) when someone dies in an ambiguous situation.  At least, that's been my experience over the years; you have to push for them or get a lawyer to do it. 
The only autopsy reports any of us would get to see would be if the family of a victim posted them.  The press doesn't get a copy of autopsy results.... all they get is a statement from the police.  ...so it's whatever the police wants to tell them. 

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: 19181982 on November 11, 2008, 08:00:21 AM
Well all I can say is... I don"t believe that, "Brandon Death", happen like the papers and police are saying...
Something is just not wright??? Brandon may your soul rest in peace...Like I said before I don"t have alot of faith in Barrie Police but I hear The O.P.P. are the ones working the case...GOOD then maybe there will be more answers from the O.P.P...
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: 19181982 on November 11, 2008, 08:04:10 AM
Sorry I should not of said ,"Case"...But I don't believe that Brandon just feel from a tree and if he did he had help from someone falling from that tree...There is more to this but we may never know...
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 11, 2008, 08:14:18 AM
Sorry I should not of said ,"Case"..

Crisp maybe?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: 19181982 on November 11, 2008, 08:17:14 AM
Sorry... I am a little blond today???
What do you mean by, Crisp maybe???
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Shwa on November 11, 2008, 12:48:08 PM
You have to either believe that truth is possible or not.

The family, unless there are dire circumstances, will have access to the autopsy result.  By dire, I mean information that may prejudice an on-going case or it may be too offensive.  The police also have access to the autopsy report.  The police are agents of the government that are set up to protect the citizens.  This may include withholding information that is in the best interests of its citizens, including the family of the victim.  As well, any personal information held by the government falls under the Privacy Act and that includes deceased persons for up 20 years or longer.

So whatever is in the autopsy report is protected information and can be released at the discretion of the police or the family.  If there is nothing to gain by releasing information and I was a family member, I would see no reason to release the details.

Brandon's injuries, the preliminary investigation says, are consistent with a fall from a tree.  How do they determine this consistent injury pattern?  They compare if from the data from other known persons who have fallen from trees and sustained similar injuries including death.  There could be an alternative explanation, but since this is science, then the most simple explanation is the likely explanation. (Occam's Razor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor)

There are several plausible explanations for this type of injury in the circumstances in which Brandon was found.  One very likely scenario is that he climbed a tree at night to escape animals on the ground, fell asleep in the tree and fell out while sleeping.  He would not have had time to protect himself and likely hit the ground square on.  If this happened in the deep of night, apparently the area is pitch dark, so he might have had serious injury, not been able to orient himself to find help and then succumbed before he could get his bearings.  This would not be an unusual thing to happen.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 11, 2008, 06:48:14 PM

What do you mean by, Crisp maybe???
Brandon's surname       was CRISP lol
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 12, 2008, 07:31:30 AM
re: Shwa's last posting - I couldn't have said it better.

Title: Re: Brandon Crisp - FAMILY Statement
Post by: waabzy on November 12, 2008, 11:44:37 AM

Crisp family offers thanks
Foundation to be created in Brandon's name
Posted By Canada News Wire
Posted 4 mins ago
   

Statement from the family of Brandon Crisp"

The story of our son's disappearance and tragic outcome

has touched the hearts

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country. We are so very proud to have parented such

a wonderful, caring and beautiful son who has touched so

many hearts. We take great comfort in our time of

grief, knowing that his story has and will continue to

have a profound impact on parents and children alike,

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Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 14, 2008, 12:52:47 PM
By The Canadian Press


 
BARRIE, Ont. - At least 1,400 mourners have gathered in Barrie, Ont., for the funeral of 15-year-old Brandon Crisp.


The teenager's body was found almost three weeks after he ran away from home following a fight with his parents over his Xbox games.


Letters to Crisp were read on behalf of his family to mourners who packed the church and an overflow room in the city north of Toronto.


In her letter, Samantha Crisp recalled her brother as funny and sarcastic who could "bring a smile to anyone's face."


She wrote that her brother's death "touched so many people's hearts" that she is honoured to call him her brother.


In her letter, Natasha Crisp said "heaven was probably laughing" because of her brother's hilarious accents and impersonations.


She said she found comfort knowing Brandon "was in some VIP section up in heaven where all the beautiful, sweet, smart children go."


Crisp's disappearance prompted an outpouring of support from across Canada and hundreds of volunteers turned out to aid police in the search.


An autopsy concluded he died from injuries suffered after falling from a tree and foul play is not suspected.


His family has set up a foundation in his name to help underprivileged children participate in minor sports.


Crisp's father said his son was a hockey goalie, but it got to a point where the boy was shorter than the other children, so he stopped playing.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/081114/national/missing_teen
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 27, 2008, 05:52:55 AM


Does anyone know what happened to Syiena? I was just going over some threads, and it appears she has gone.

S/HE was/is a good poster, and Syiena. Can you come back? We need good people, and your articles, and links were just that. I liked how you gave your opinions on many of the aspects concerning pieces in the articles. Can you come back, and maybe help in the Emily Stauffer thread?

I can't find much info on the web, and it is frustrating.Would like to hear your ideas, on this unsolved death. Thanks, Adrian :) :)
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Syiena on November 27, 2008, 08:34:26 AM
Hi Adrian, Hi Everyone,

I'm back.  I took a little break, to gather my thoughts and all.  I should have said something that I was taking a break, I do apologize for that.

I hope everyone is well.

Adrian: I will start doing some research right now on Emily Stauffer.  I will read the thread first, to make sure I don't post any repetive information, and then will do my best to get as much information I can get my hands on.

I was hoping to have logged on, and see tons of threads that say - case closed, killer caught, sadly that's not the case.  So depressing.






Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Adrian on November 27, 2008, 11:59:35 AM

Syiena:
Well hi there! It is good to see you back, I thought we had lost you.We all need to take a breather once in a while, that's for sure.

Thanks for coming back!   :)  Any help is accepted, on the Emily Stauffer thread, and it is not solved. WE have a bunch of ideas, and scenarioes, but not much new information.

PS. Sorry for interrupting this thread.

R.I.P. Brandon Crisp
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: waabzy on November 27, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
OK why is my stomach in knots when I read or say aloud "Brandon Crisp died because he fell from a tree?"
Something is not right.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, MISSING, October 13th, 2008
Post by: mauvelilac on November 28, 2008, 01:38:18 PM
Thank you Waa...I thought I was alone in my assessment of that.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Silverdog on March 29, 2009, 09:38:33 PM
Is it possible that they found something from the tree (bark fragments, sap)  on his shirt and jeans, that indicated that he had, in fact, climbed a tree? Which possible led to a circumstantial "diagnoses"...the theory that he fell? I'd love to get a look at the report. Not to invade privacy, but just because I agree with most on here, it just doesnt sit right with me.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on March 30, 2009, 06:09:46 AM
nor me Silver.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Silverdog on March 30, 2009, 10:09:01 AM
I'd maybe get it if he had other injuries reported, like broken limbs. But I didnt hear anything about that, only chest injuries. I'd also really like to know what was in this boys stomach...to figure out what he was living on, and where he was getting it. I just find it too weird that he was missing for 3 weeks, who knows how much of that time he was deceased, but I would think he would be tempted to go steal or even beg for a meal rather than eating grass and bugs? Also, on cool nights, I think I would find a barn somewhere to hide (and sleep) in, rather than being right out in the open?
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on March 30, 2009, 10:35:33 AM
I have always felt there was more to this boys missing adventure than what appears.  We are left to assume:
that this young guy aluded a massive search for weeks, (don't those helicopters use thermal imaging?)
lived off the land, (he must have been an accomplished scout or something - given the time of year and weather conditions - say nothing of the possible encounters with wildlife.  quite the survival for a city boy!
climbed a tree to survey the landscape for directions or whatever - or avoid a wild animal. (again quite the feat considering the distance he had travelled; and Lord only knows how hungry and/or physically ill or damaged from his journey)
then fell from the tree by accident. (I haven't seen any offer in the media of how this is evident.... and that would be stupid and uncharacteristic of the media not to pursue and publish this type of conclusion to a public - given that they kept a collectively, heart-broken public on its knees praying and/or sitting on the edge of their chairs for all these weeks.
The whole things stinks imho.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Silverdog on March 30, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
You are absolutely right, nothing in this investigation makes any sense, especially the autopsy. Nothing fits! Do they ("authorities") consider this a closed file? Are his parents content with the outcome? I would want ANSWERS. Maybe wildlife, or even a local farm dog chased him. He must have been determined to get up that tree to even attempt it, since, like you said he's a city boy, and the lowest branches were up fairly high from what I have heard.

I feel terrible hearing this story. My heart breaks for the parents because I know what its like to be that annoyed with your kid to say "oh your going to run away? I'll help you pack!".

Prayers to Brandon's family.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: lostlinganer on March 30, 2009, 03:32:37 PM
my gut instinct is there was "no such fall" ... that he sustained this damage otherwise and was dumped there..... call it instinct, supposition, theory, negative thinking, paranoia toward "always a hidden crime"....call it what you will! but I think this boy met with foul play.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: Silverdog on March 30, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
YES!! I thought that too, that someone gave him a good whack in the chest and caused internal bleeding....he either didnt know how seriously injured he was, or he was dumped at that location and someone is going "YESSSSSSSSS! They think he fell from a tree!" cause they know the truth. If the family is content with the "tree theory", I would be worried.
Title: Re: Brandon Crisp, October 13th, 2008
Post by: history_major on May 11, 2010, 07:54:08 AM
I had a dream about this case last night...but for the life of me can't recall what the dream was about!
I just think there is a lot of conflicting information about this case.
I was a member of the Facebook group for Brandon, and I remember how much focus was given on the gaming clans...there had to be a basis behind those thoughts...
Second, it was stated by the hunters that he looked "peaceful" when they found him...and that he hadn't been there very long....but why then, did they need to use dental records to ID him, especially if the weather had been so cold, that wouldn't it slow the rates of decomp?
Third, the hunters, why were they hunting of private property? What is there to hunt in that area? I live in Barrie and I don't know what there would be around there.
Lastly, I remember also on the boards, the board Mod getting all excited about a huge possible break in the case, but nothing ever came of them, this happened more than once.  Were these tips called in? Or were they just ideas of the search parties?

SOOOOOO many questions.  Especially with the Barrie Police Department not having the best track record for solving tough cases (ie Alexandra Flanagan)...I dunno if the answers will be answered.

PS...didn't Mantracker come out to help with this case, since Brandon was such a big fan of the show?