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Title: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: Desespere on April 26, 2007, 11:11:38 PM
Mistie Murray
Age: 16
DOB: 1978/10/28
Missing
Date last seen: May 31, 1995
Location last seen: Goderich, ON
Teen

Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich - Mistie was last seen wearing red shorts with black winter style boots and possibly wearing a dark green nylon jacket with ?Mistie? on the right sleeve, ?Flag? on the left sleeve, and ?S.D.H.S. Girls Band? on the left chest area. Mistie wore rings on every finger and has five piercings in the right ear and two in the left, but was not wearing any earrings when last seen.
Also Known As: Jean Marie OLDFIELD, Nickname: Mistron Height: 5 feet, 3 inches - 5 feet, 4 inches Weight: 115 pounds Hair: Reddish Brown Eyes: Greyish/Green Characteristics: Space between two upper front teeth and mole on right cheek.
The Ontario Provincial Police conducted extensive air, water and ground searches in and around Goderich in June 1995. The ground searches were carried out with the assistance of Goderich firefighters and a search of the shoreline in the same month was completed with the help of the Canadian Coast Guard. None of these searches found any evidence relating to Mistie Murray?s disappearance. There have been no credible sightings of Mistie since May 31, 1995. It is very likely that Mistie was the victim of foul play on or about that date.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/murray_mistie.html
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on October 23, 2008, 09:52:55 AM
Desespere,
It is amazing that no replies have been forthcoming on this most interesting and tragic disappearance.
I remember reading what you posted, in what I seem to remember was a OPP bulletin.
I  hestitate at these words, quote: There have been no credible sightings of Mistie since May 31, 1995. It is very likely that Mistie was the victim of foul play on or about that date. unquote

This is obvious OPP rhetoric. I will not go as far as saying it is an outright lie but...

 There were loads of credible sightings of Mistie after this date, some confirmed sightings(by people who knew her), mostly unconfirmed.
- What about the boy who saw her at Tim Hortons?
- What about Mistie's girlfriend who saw Mistie at the bargain store in Goderich
- What about the child counsel worker who saw and talked to a crying girl strongly resembling Mistie at Masonville Mall, London?
-What about the driver on the Stoneybrook bus who picked up a girls strongly resembling Mistie at Adelaide and Dundas Sts, Londion?
These sightings were within a week of Mistie's disappearance

- What about the two off-duty police officers who saw a girl  resembling Mistie begging on a sidewalk in Toronto?

It looks to this observer that Mistie's trail  went  from Goderich to Clinton to London to Toronto. These sightings although not 100% solid(they were mostly unconfirmed), are  plenty good enough for investigative purposes. With a 13 year cold trail, it is questionable whether they will be of any value today.  Police dragged their heels on this one after the acquittal of Mistie's father. They were unable to accept that they had made numerous mistakes in the search for Mistie and in the ensuing investigation of her father.

Still more obscure facts suggest that Mistie might have ended up in Western Canada.


- What about
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Chris on October 27, 2008, 12:28:27 AM
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after the acquittal of Mistie's father

Waht was he aquited of?
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on October 27, 2008, 09:53:11 AM
2nd degree murder I believe.

I used to live near Goderich, and it was a big story back then. 

My friend started to do her own research, and found someone on facebook that had a similar name (used Mistie's old name).  She reported it to the police a few weeks ago, and got a response from the investigator that they were going to check it out.  Haven't heard any responses yet.

After talking to some old neighbours, some people are still convinced it was her step-father that did it.   He was out in the water with a "girl", and then came back with just himself.  That made the police become convinced that it was the step-father.   He was acquitted but some people still think it was him.

I've always had some interest in this case, and would seriously like to bring some closure to the family.





Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on October 31, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
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after the acquittal of Mistie's father

Waht was he aquited of?
Chris, He was acquitted of murdering Mistie
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on October 31, 2008, 06:49:35 PM
Syiena,

Did you know that her family closed the book on Mistie several years ago? I believe around  2004.
After an unsuccessful attempt at identifying a homeless woman in BC, they gave up hope of ever finding Mistie.
The family then held a service at the catholic church in Stratford and gave Mistie over into God's hands.
After that time it has been totally quiet about Mistie.

Some people will believe what they want even if the evidence is there as solid as a rock that the father had nothing to do with it. He and his family have suffered enough  for this travesty. Mistie is a missing person. Whether or not she is dead now, nobody knows.
To get some level of peace, the Murray family had to get a court order to prevent the police from mentioning the acquittal (but that the investigation was still ongoing), every time they  made up a missing persons poster.
Therefor, we should also leave that part of it alone. It would be more productive to  attempt to find out what happened to Mistie.

Syiena..Do you  have any suggestions as to what could be done at this late date?

By the way, have you heard mention the last name ****in connection with Mistie?

edited to remove name
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 01, 2008, 07:08:45 AM
Hi Dig Dig,

You're right, we should leave that part alone.  I was just trying to give some details to what happened etc, and I actually did not know the family closed the book on Mistie.  Thank you for letting me know.

I haven't heard the name **** I have heard ****. And that's the name my friend found on facebook, I saw the picture and I could see why she was alarmed, the resemblance was uncanny, but I'm not sure if it was her. 

I'm not sure what can be done so many years later since she went missing.   I am clueless, I feel helpless and I just wondered is there something we can do?

**edited to remove name




Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 01, 2008, 08:04:31 AM
Syiena,

She also had a nickname 'Mistron'

Kind of eerie what you say about the Facebook listing. Would you have any way of confirming/denying if there is a connection? Do you have facebook? Would your friend be able to help?

Check your messages.

Thanks!

**edited to remove name
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 01, 2008, 08:54:58 AM
well, my friend emailed the police (she got the email address from the Mistie's missing poster?), and she didn't receive any response for about a week or two.  Then she got a response saying that this tip was being forwarded to the investigator in charge, and that they would go and check it out.  She hasn't heard anything back from them since.  She didn't figure she would, but she's curious and I am too, to find out if they ended up contacting this person.

This person that's on facebook, was under the London, Ontario network.  I'm actually going to look right now, and see if she's changed her picture etc.

I'm sorry, she actually found someone by the name of , not Jean.    She's changed her picture, the picture she had last time, was a close up, and it really looked like her!  unfortunately, the picture was too small to be able to determine if this person had a mole on her right cheek, as well as the gap in her teeth.

I will email my friend and see if she's heard anything from the Police. 



Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 01, 2008, 10:07:32 AM
Syiena,
So typical of the Police. They are there to have you feed them info but they don't respond to your queries. That's the way it has to be, so they  don't contaminate the investigation. I can see their point but it is frustrating for the people who spend their own time researching these cases, and are hardly ever able to find out whether they are right...and continue that line of research, or wrong and abandon it and move on to another aspect.

Anyways...
'Donna' rang a bell with me. I checked and  this is why. Mistie's birth mother's name is Darlene.
Don't get your hopes up though. If Mistie was alive and wanted to be found, she would have  done something less covert than go on facebook under that name. And...if she doesn't want to be found, she certainly wouldn't go on face book at all.

The name isn't that uncommon...

And of course we have to  consider the other alternative as the most likely by now, 13 years after the fact...
..Just so we're not setting ourselves up for disappointment




Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 02:51:15 PM
Sorry, I have been off and on of the computer for the last little while (in bed fighting off the flu!)

I understand the Police could possibly jeopardize or hurt their case if they were tell us whether the tip was good or false.   It is very frustrating though, because we find something that has a slight possibility that it could be a good tip, we will never ever know because we're not told (or we will find out on the news or something).  But honestly, I will take what I can get.  If I give them my info, tips and it somehow gives them a good lead on Mistie, so be it, I will take that.

Yeah that's what I figured too DigDig.  If she didn't want to be found, why go on facebook.  For crying out loud lol, I'm on there, and every single person I have known has added me on facebook (not that's a bad thing) but if you want to be hidden from the world, you just don't join facebook.

Was it ever known if the investigation involved a Psychic?  I was curious as I didn't see much on the internet referencing to a Psychic.

Taken from http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1221dfon.html

"In the next two weeks there were at least 20 reported sightings of Mistie, or a teenager who looked like her, in London. She was reported seen near Dundas and Glebe streets, hanging out with tough-looking street kids"

I used to live in London back in 90s, but it's been a while, let me ask you this DigDig.

In your opinion, how easy is it to go un noticed if you were a street kid? 

in TO, I often see the same ones all the time, AND in different areas as well.  I have spoken to some, and I will never forget their faces.  I just wonder if that was the same case in London?

If the quoted statement is true, could this mean she ran into trouble somewhere in London?   But there was an eyewitness who thought they saw Mistie in TO. 

Ugh so frustrating.  But I will continue to go over the clues/tips because honestly, there could be something out there, we just haven't seen or discovered it yet.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 02:53:00 PM
I just saw a picture of Mistie that was age enhanced to Age 28, and I'm sorry but the resemblance with that picture, and the "lady" I saw on Facebook, they're twins!  It's just unbelievable.

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 03:10:21 PM
Murray was last seen leaving her school.

She was seen at school that day attending classes and visiting the nurse.

Mistie left behind a packed suitcase and, on her dresser $200 and dozens of photos, the prelude of what was supposed to have been a trip to Halifax to meet the family of the woman who had given her up for adoption when she was two.

Between 2:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. that day, Mistie placed a phone call from her high school to the elementary school where her mother taught. But she didn't leave a message. That was the last known time Mistie would try to communicate with her parents.

The day after Mistie was last reported seen at home, a friend spoke to her in the Bargain Shop in Goderich.

Three teenagers who knew Mistie told police they thought they saw her walking the next day, June 2, along Highway 8 from Goderich to Clinton.

And another teen, a member of the same marching band as Mistie, said she spotted her in the crowd at the Clinton Fair on June 3, wearing a green Seaforth band jacket.

In the next two weeks there were at least 20 reported sightings of Mistie, or a teenager who looked like her, in London. She was reported seen near Dundas and Glebe streets, hanging out with tough-looking street kids.

Where was she from May 31 (when she went missing), to June 3 (when she spotted by a fellow band member). 

Came September, dozens of people told police they'd spotted Mistie in nearby communities during the month of June.  However, the Police had another theory at that time and that was Steve (who was acquitted).

I want to know why these sitings were not taken more seriously! This is just pissing me off more and more now





Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 03:12:58 PM
My theory?

This is purely speculation but I think

these sitings were credible, I think she did run off at the beginning but then she ran into pure evilness and has passed on.

I hope I'm wrong though. 
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
As well, I'm going to start going over any articles/internet sites and go over the information again. 

I have already asked my Grandma for newspapers (she's a pack rat and has kept the local newspapers from many many years ago), (lol). 

As well, I have a couple of friends in the Legal field, and I'm going to ask them their opinions on this case.  We need becareful though, the family has closed the book on this tragic story, so I don't want to be bumping heads with anyone.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 04, 2008, 03:37:07 PM
Syiena,
 All the things you mentioned  re Mistie sightings are accurate. Let me just add that the person who saw her in the Bargain Store knew her. In other words this was a confirmed sighting.  Most other sightings were unconfirmed ie she was seen by people who had seen the poster.
I agree with your other posting: Most other sightings were credible.
Your last posting (My theory?) I agree again. This is the most likely scenario. But there is always that nagging little doubt, isn't there?

Regarding unconfirmed sightings: This is about as solid as an eyewitness gets... I am writing from memory here: The sighting in Toronto where two police officers saw a girl  begging on the sidewalk; the cops were form out of town and on their way back to..Kingston? ...anyway they saw the girl and thought nothing of it until they got back to their police station. There, they saw Mistie's poster and bingo! both cops remembered the girl  in TO. She fit Mistie's description to a "T".

Dundas and Glebe Sts in London used to be the drug trade hangout, also prostitution.

You wrote: Where was she from May 31 (when she went missing), to June 3 (when she spotted by a fellow band member).
- Could be she was with the young guy who lived near the bank on the square in Goderich. She did spend time with him the day she vanished, until?? I forget his name. He was checked and cleared.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 04, 2008, 03:43:46 PM
I have to leave work to go home in a minute, but I wanted to quickly add something while I had it fresh in my head.

"She also had started a relationship with **** an adult male. He claims he last saw her the day he cashed his welfare cheque and paid his rent. He reported that this occurred on May 30, but bank records indicate that he made these transactions on the day Mistie disappeared. A woman who worked in the shop below **** apartment said she saw Mistie there on May 31 or June 1. At least one other person would later corroborate a May 31 sighting at this location."

The fact that he lied about when he deposited his welfare cheque, should have set off some alarms, no?

He could have given her the money so she could use it if she ran away.

He might have had something to do with her disappearance.

I have to leave work now, but Dig Dig: I will respond to the rest of the posting when I get home (about 630pm).

**edited to remove name



Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 07:38:01 AM
That's the problem I'm having with ****. If you have nothing to hide, why lie about when he cashed the welfare cheque, and why be afraid to tell the investigators that he was INDEED with Mistie.

It just doesn't add up.  There has been lots of reports about how the Police made alot of mistakes during this investigation.  Meaning, they were too busy focusing on the Steve Murray, and not giving alot of energy to investigate the other tips and leads.   These are not my words, I have gotten this information about the Police throughout different articles. 

I just feel **** knows more then he's letting on.

I'm not saying he had something to do with her disappearance, but what if he knew of Mistie's plans to run away? 

Dig Dig: when Mr. Cook was being questioned by Mr. Greenspan, was this during the Steve Murray's trial?  I'm trying to refresh my memory, was Mr. Greenspan Steve's defense lawyer?





Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 07:50:52 AM
Something is missing for me here...(as a Dad to 5 teens at one time or another...)

1.  She is excited about meeting with her real mom, plans a trip to see her and possibly live with her.  She disappears after she has packed her suitcase, her photos and leaves behind $200.00.  That simply makes no sense whatsoever.  There is not one teen in the world that I know of that would leave behind $200 cash.  In 1995 that was a lot of money for a teenager and it would be highly unlikely that she would have left that money not intending to come back for it.

For her not to come back for the money leads me to believe one of two things: 1.  She couldn't come back to get it; or she was afraid to come back and get it.  If she was into heavy drugs that money would have been worth alot more.  Like the Charley Project page says, it would be make no sense for her to leave her things behind, even as a troubled teen.  The suitcase and photos maybe, but not the cash.

2.  She was last seen leaving school.  Not her boyfriends apartment.  Not people that "knew" her, but leaving school.  And this was after she saw the school nurse for an "undislosed reason."  She was last seen wearing her school day outfit.

Why, if the other sightings were confirmed, would they leave it as she was last seen leaving school?  And how much after-thought was present when people were questioned about their sightings.  Like the boyfriend, scatter-brained teenagers make mistakes with dates all the time.  May 31st, 1995 was a Wednesday.  She was spotted the next day by a friend.  Well, if some time had passed before the friend was questioned, the friend could be completely mistaken about the date, but not the day.  "I last saw her on a Thursday..." that sort of thing.

However, perhaps she had no intention of leaving the cash, was indeed spotted by her friends in and around the Clinton area and was intending (or already had) been at home.

3.  So investigators figured that she was taken out into the lake and thrown over by her step-father, but he was acquitted.  But why was he suspected in the first place? 

*** Interesting that her fathers name was "Steven Murray" and they lived in the Clinton/Goderich area.  If you Google "Steven Murray" + Goderich, you get the first two names of Steven Truscott and the place where his alleged 'ride into history' happened almost 40 years earlier.   I do know that Truscott was living under an assumed name at one time, but I find that coincidence to be very weird.***

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 07:55:08 AM
Syiena, **** may have been telling the truth as far has he could recall.  Meaning that there was some interference with his memory such as drugs, alcohol or mental illness.

Another interesting link: http://www.equaljustice.ca/cgi-bin/forum.cgi/noframes/read/9243
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 08:03:33 AM
Hey Shwa,

I could be wrong, but **** was not a teenager, he was an older adult male (according to the reports). 

"He claims he last saw her the day he cashed his welfare cheque and paid his rent. He reported that this occurred on May 30, but bank records indicate that he made these transactions on the day Mistie disappeared."

Fair enough, he could have been telling the truth to the best of his knowledge, but what I'm trying to wrap my head around, is that Mr. Murray was the one the Police were after, why?   when we had a situation where Mistie was involved with an older man, who gave a story with lots of holes in it, but yet, Mr. Murray was the one to go after?
 


Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 08:08:34 AM
Exactly.  Especially since, from reading subsequent reports, Mistie was planning on moving away.  Not running away.  Moving away.  I think her parents sensed this and likely figured it out.

So there are two things that, if I were a cop, would make me suspicious of Steven Murray: 1) the visit to the school nurse, which I haven't heard a reason for; and 2) leaving 200$ cash on a dresser.  She was either unable to get the money or was prevented for some reason.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: lostlinganer on November 05, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
hi Sy; it's nice to meet you here;  aren't you the good sleuth!  ...and you seem young.  ...as though you can relate to Mistie. 
I have one opinion so far, (if you can call it that) - the only thing that gives me the creeps more than these beautiful young teens being ending up in foster care where there's a man involved in the care, or adoptive custody growing up with a stranger for a father, is when any of them vanish into thin air because they were going to get out of there (especially a case of the girl possibly reuniting with her birth mother - imagine all the things she could end up  confiding to her own real mother, in the event the reunion was a success.)...just my thoughts.
I've edited this because I was thinking of Mistie being in a group home situation... had her mixed up with another topic thread... but still, same scenario can happen when the girl gets into her teen years.  She often wants to get "out of there". 
You have to hand it to the adoptive parents who bring a child into their life, and protect them forever; on the other hand, it is some awful when so many end up like Mistie.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: debbiec on November 05, 2008, 10:39:09 AM
I'd be interested in knowing what she visited the school nurse for. It would make me wonder if that would have anything to do with her disappearance.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 11:03:53 AM
Hi everyone,

Hi Lost,

Nice to meet you too!  I did grow up in a town that had close relations with the surrounding towns including Seaforth and Goderich.  For instance, the Steven Truscott case and the Mistie Murray case, it affected everyone in the surrounding areas.  Often friends had friendships with other students from the surrounding towns (high schools) which was the case for myself.  It hit the towns hard when Mistie disappeared. 

That's what makes this case so difficult.   Not just one reason, but there are many reasons to why Mistie disappeared.

Was there problems at her adoptive home that she had to get away from?

Was she not okay with living at her adoptive home, and wanted to be on her own?  go be with her mother?  If so, why did she leave a full suitcase, and money on her dresser.  Like what Shwa said, was she prevented from doing this? or thought she wouldn't be able to get away fast enough if she came back for the cash?

Was her intentions to run away, but unfortunately ran into major probs?

I agree too, what was the reason she saw the school's nurse.  I am very interested in knowing that.  But can and will we ever find out?

Thanks for the links, I'm going to check them out tonight!



Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 05, 2008, 11:48:55 AM
Shwa,
Good points. Here is how it was explained to me... Mistie, being born to an alcoholic Mom who drank through the pregnency, likely had Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. It has also been said that she suffered from an attachment disorder due to abnormal upbringing until she was 5 and adopted into a 2-parent home.
According to what I have learned, FAS can be very detrimental to the person's  development  and combined with the attachment disorder, Mistie turned out to be the kind of girl who, was very impulsive and also very confused about father bonding and, through her short life displayed itself in abnormal actions like she would have no problem going over and setting herself on a strange man's lap, trying to make contact. A big age difference did not deter her.

Her impulsiveness could very well be to blame for  her leaving the $200 behind as well as abandoning her  plans about going to meet her birth family. Also, it can be blamed for her very rash decision to leave so suddenly. Who knows, a drug abusing character like **** could easily have slipped her something to make her confused.

The impulsiveness and attachment complex both, can likely be blamed on her hooking up with older men without regard for the consequences, ie, her meeting with **** who was around 23 if my memory serves me (she was 16), and also no regard for that  person's standing in society.

3. The reason Steven Murray was suspected was due to his lousy memory on some very unimportant  details that had happened days before and  he was not likely to remember. It had to do with a pair of shoes and another thing..I seem to remember it was to do with when he took the boat in for a cleaning.

Shwa, like I mentioned before, Steven Murray and family has been put through the grinder over this. He has been as thoroughly investigated. He has been charged, tried and finally  acquitted  with oodles of   evidence to spare. The police were forbidden to mention his name ever again due to the harassment  they continually exerted upon the family.
What is good enough for the courts should also be good enough for us. I guess what I am trying to say is that we should not be revisiting this part of the  story, because it is really done. I see it as a time-waster as far as our real objective goes: To find out what happened to Mistie.

As to the confirmed sighting in the bargain store: The  witness did recall  properly the day and time. She did not possibly  refer to a wrong date.  It was the police saying that, because they had their sights on Steven at that time.

Yes it is interesting the  similarities between the Steven Murray and Steven Truscott cases, well sort of:
Steven Murray and Steven Murray Truscott
They were both charged in Huron County and both were tried in Goderich
Steven Truscott's defence lawyer was Frank Donnelly
Steven Murrays judge was James Donnelly, Frank's son

You also mentioned Steven Truscott alleged ride. That ride (bike ride with Lynne) is not alleged any more. It has been proven to the courts' and everybody's satisfaction that Truscott is innocent and that the ride really took place.



Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 05, 2008, 12:02:08 PM

I just feel **** knows more then he's letting on.

I'm not saying he had something to do with her disappearance, but what if he knew of Mistie's plans to run away? 

Dig Dig: when **** was being questioned by Mr. Greenspan, was this during the Steve Murray's trial?  I'm trying to refresh my memory, was Mr. Greenspan Steve's defense lawyer?


Hi Syiena,

1. Yes, it is natural to get that feeling. even though I said he had been questioned to everyone's satisfaction it would sure be nice to hear from him. I bet he didn't volunteer anything that he wasn't asked like: Did he administer a date rape drug to Mistie?
If questioned: How a was Mistie's condition when she left? Ans: Normal...
And, sadly, this is exactly the same answers or non-answers anyone would get today. 
2. Anything is possible because we don't know if I were to investigate this today I would lean towards blaming her disappearance on her impulsive nature, like I wrote to Shwa. It could be that **** knew something but this is where it stops with ****. He wouldn't reveal anything.

And yes, Brian Greenspan was Murray's defense lawyer.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 12:03:24 PM
Hey Dig Dig,

I apologize for not responding to the messages sooner, but I have now.

Sy
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 01:50:57 PM
I'm currently writing a response to the latest postings, but I wanted to post a couple things right now.

Regarding Steve Murray - Dig Dig is right.  He's been investigated, and acquitted.  We should leave this part alone.  Unless significant evidence is found that says otherwise, we should leave this part alone.  I know it's tough, because we don't know what happened, people may be suspicious of Steve, but what Dig Dig said - What is good enough for the courts should also be good enough for us.  I have to agree.

same goes for Steven Truscott - On August 28, 2007, after review of nearly 250 fresh pieces of evidence, the court declared that Truscott's conviction had been a miscarriage of justice.

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 03:33:27 PM
Hey Dig Dig,

I appreciate your sympathy towards Steven Murray and agree to a degree, that the courts and police have dealt with it - thus far.  However...

In another 10 years if this case was re-opened as a cold case then ALL the evidence and suspects would be re-examined.  I do not wish to bring anymore grief to Steven Murray, but one way or another he has some part to play - even if victim.  If I were a cop, I too would come to the same suspicions about the circumstances.  So, while I agree that he ought to be left alone, searching for new evidence might touch him even if in a very tertiary way.

As for FAS & developmental disorders and the $200.00.  Of course, it would be rational to conclude that a normal teen would not walk away from that kind of cash.  Fair enough.  But to what degree Mistie's alleged disorders come into play in her disappearance is anyone's guess especially IF the sightings of her afterward are to be believe where she appeared to be rational enough.

Very complex circumstances for sure, but in that complexity something just doesn't seem right and it is frustrating to be unable to articulate what it is.  The intuitive response to these circumstances, to me, is 'accident.'

On the other note, there should be a lengthy discussion on the Truscott case on this site that would frame my meaning of 'alleged.'   8)
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 05, 2008, 03:37:25 PM
Hey Syeina, "...the court declared..."

Yes, but this does not mean the public has declared or is held to the same standards as the courts.  There is a pretty healthy discussion about the Truscott case elsewhere on this site and I must concede that even though the courts declared his original conviction a miscariage of justice, they did not (could not) declare him innocent.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 05, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
Hi Shwa,

my last posting, I made reference  to how the public may not agree, have their own opinions to what happened, I agree with that.  That's me!   To be honest, I have made little postings about Steve Murray as well, for crying out loud, I lived near the community, I had family and friends who knew the Murray family, but I still had my suspicions.

however, what I was trying to say earlier was that we need to remember that Steve Murray was tried and acquitted.  We have to keep that in mind.

Put ourselves in their shoes.  It could happen to anyone, be accused and tried of a crime we didn't commit.   

Again, I'm not saying that Mr. Murray's innocent.  I'm just saying what the court has determined.  And that we should take extra precaution when we're making a comment towards Mr. Murray, or Mr. Truscott.

As well, for Mr. Truscott - It wasn't necessarily that they couldn't declare him innocent - "As he was not declared factually innocent, a new trial could have been ordered, but this was a practical impossibility given the passage of time. Accordingly, the court acquitted Truscott of the murder"

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 05, 2008, 10:12:18 PM
Hey Dig Dig,

 So, while I agree that he ought to be left alone, searching for new evidence might touch him even if in a very tertiary way.

 But to what degree Mistie's alleged disorders come into play in her disappearance is anyone's guess especially IF the sightings of her afterward are to be believe where she appeared to be rational enough.

Very complex circumstances for sure, but in that complexity something just doesn't seem right and it is frustrating to be unable to articulate what it is.  The intuitive response to these circumstances, to me, is 'accident.'

On the other note, there should be a lengthy discussion on the Truscott case on this site that would frame my meaning of 'alleged.'   8)

An investigation into Mistie's disappearance  should not even have to touch Murray, even tertiary. That is because Mistie's movements from the  time she last spoke to her parents, to the time she disappeared had very little, if anything, to do with Steven Murray. So we do not in fact 'need' Murray at all. No reference has to be made. Mistie disappears by other means and hers and other people's movements are the  things that need to be  investigated.

The disorders that Mistie was said to have had, were of such a nature that  she couldn't have been deemed 'rational enough' in one instance  and irrational in another. Like I tried to explain, Mistie evidently could get irrational in a whim ie her sitting on laps of strange males, walking up to strangers and striking up a conversation. It is therefor very natural to include these traits in an investigation, they are  points to hold on to and  useful until proven to be of no value.

Yes, we can agree that this is one complicated case. However, one always needs some holding points to  even attempt to get further. To that end, Mistie's disorders work for me until I see strong proof to the contrary.

The sightings are also strong points to hold on to and  exploit to their fullest. You might disagree, since you stated earlier that a witness might have thought she was correct about the day of the sighting, but in fact wasn't.
Shwa, we must be allowed to assume the following: When a girl who is friends with Mistie sees her at a location on a certain day, her memory is a ok , she is young and she has stated  this sighting scores of times, then that person must be relied upon.
The same with the 2 cops in TO: Here we have 2 men who have been trained to be observant; who had no axes to grind with either side of the  fence; they only saw this kid begging on the street, then upon arrival at police HQ, they immediately  connected their sighting of the girl to the poster with Mistie's picture. Sightings like these can not be brushed off as unreliable like the cops wanted them to be.

As to your usage of the word 'alleged' we can just drop that one. It has so very little to do with finding Mistie really. I just want to  say that the Truscott thread you are referring to, is a rather disgusting discussion  to be reading now that we know that Truscott has been found not guilty. Still  the discussion kept carrying on with its "is he guilty or not'?
When will we ever be satisfied? What do we know how much we might traumatize his family and him by carrying on useless banter like that way after he has been found not guilty? As I read through the postings I was appalled at all the theories, hunches, 'feelings', and plain ill - or non-researched assertions.  Sure, I would welcome a thread entitled 'Who Killed Lynne Harper?' I mean, that would really have some teeth to it. But this unabashed Truscott battering has no place in a caring, justice-seeking discussion group. Just my opinion and I got my flame suit on  :)
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 05, 2008, 10:25:54 PM
Hey Syeina, "...the court declared..."

Yes, but this does not mean the public has declared or is held to the same standards as the courts.  There is a pretty healthy discussion about the Truscott case elsewhere on this site and I must concede that even though the courts declared his original conviction a miscariage of justice, they did not (could not) declare him innocent.

Maybe this belongs in another thread but here I go again...
... you know, shwa, why they 'only' declared him not guilty? That is because there is no clause in our criminal law to declare a person innocent once he has been convicted. It just won't work until they change the wording.
The times that they  have just had to buckle down and say that so and so is innocent is when they find DNA evidence or  the real killer  confesses. Still, even then, they have a hard time saying the word 'innocent'.

 Read up on David Milgaard who was acquitted on DNA evidence AND catching the killer; there are cops that to this day believe that Milgaard had a hand in it, that he could have killed Gail Miller even if Larry Fisher's DNA was found on her. Those are the obstacles we are up against in proving  Truscott innocent. Through on fault of his own, all physical evidence was destroyed, burned,  around 1964, as soon as the courts could legally do so , they took it all to the incinerator. Once a possible review in the Supreme Court was on the horizon, the evidence  in r.v.Truscott was destroyed. What does that tell us?
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 05, 2008, 10:36:02 PM


Again, I'm not saying that Mr. Murray's innocent.  I'm just saying what the court has determined.  And that we should take extra precaution when we're making a comment towards Mr. Murray, or Mr. Truscott.

As well, for Mr. Truscott - It wasn't necessarily that they couldn't declare him innocent - "As he was not declared factually innocent, a new trial could have been ordered, but this was a practical impossibility given the passage of time. Accordingly, the court acquitted Truscott of the murder"


Also, Sy,  We have to ask ourselves: what are we actually wanting to achieve, discussing these cases?We are trying to find out what happened to Mistie, and  who killed Lynne. In both instances there is  little to nothing we can  continue to get from either Steves that will help us in that quest. Sure, the names will come up in relation to, say, "what were Mistie's  last known steps?" or "what did Lynne talk about on the bike ride with Steve?"
the way I see it anyway...
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 06, 2008, 06:38:30 AM
Dig Dig,

"An investigation into Mistie's disappearance should not even have to touch Murray, even tertiary."

Any cold case investigation will necessarily touch Steven Murray, that is unavoidable.  If it touches him briefly, it will still touch.  If there is another fine comb investigation into him that will happen too.  Until there are answers, Steven Murray will still be connected in one way of another - there is no statute of limitations on murder in Canada, nor is there a real double jeopardy law.  Do I think he is a suspect?  No.  But if something came to light to implicate him I wouldn't slough it off because the courts already acquitted him.

Mistie was "said to have had" certain disorders.  Yet all indications from the scant evidence that we know from the posters and articles show that she was fairly rational.  At one time she was well adjusted.  I think that IF she had some of those disorders, it MIGHT have had some impact on her disappearance.  But to what degree is a mystery and she didn't seem to be incapacitated by those alleged disorders.

The sightings are very interesting, but to how much they are reliable is another mystery (complication).  Just like all the sightings of Brandon Crisp in Barrie - how many of them were wishful or hopeful thinking?  We are about to find out.  However, I do know from experience that teenagers can make some wildly innocent mistakes when it comes to dates and times.  Her friend, likely did not make a mistake.  I also believe the person who saw her with her boyfriend was also likely correct.  However... should solid information come to light that would without-a-doubt disprove those sightings, I would be willing to look at that too.

As for Steven Truscott - also implicated by "eye witness" testimony, the thread I think is something that this site can develop.  I don't find rational discussion about guilt to be disgusting because there are strong opinions as to guilt and innocence out there in the wide world.  People ought to be allowed their opinion and calm, mature discourse ought to be allowed on such controversial subjects such as this or Truscott.

The point is that open-mindedness is an essential tool to examine any sort of criminal case.  Prejudice has caused more injustice in the world that any other human concern in all of human history.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 06, 2008, 01:42:04 PM
Shwa,
 Reading your post, one saying came to mind: may cooler heads prevail. Your retort spoke of cool so I will leave my rant where it's at. I had my say, you had yours and certainly we can agree to disagree on a point that really isn't that productive to the task at hand: Finding out about Mistie.

Yes, ok, maybe it would touch him. It will have to wait to be seen, if ever. Again, this is a smaller deal than the task at hand so I consider that one a dead issue also.
                           **********************************
Yes, reports and articles might have portrayed Mistie as rational.  But I got this info about her not from news articles, but through personal research; talking with people in the know and using their  info as cross reference. Having this information, it is easy to discover that this must be used. Caution must still be exercised of course. But the 'alleged' FAS and attachment disorder and also the spontaneity have definitely left their marks on this case already: Mistie telling  her gf  "I have found a new bf but I cant tell you who he is yet"; her hooking up with a boy,  spontaneously, who was many years her senior - taking into account her young age - 16 and his age around 23 -  her sitting on strange laps and striking up conv. with strangers; leaving the cash behind; maybe running away on a whim.

The sightings. Again,  I will just remind us of the ones I wrote about; The two trained cops' sighting in TO; the confirmed one at the Bargain store, the one at the Clinton Fair by two who know her, all qualify for a stronger opinion than
"but to how much they are reliable".
The sightings did bring her from her home/school to **** place and the Bargain store, then to the Clinton Fair, then to London and around London and then to Toronto. All these sighting locations are away from and in opposite direction of the Snug Harbour Marina, where the cops set their sights and ultimately failed miserably.

Where you write: However... should solid information come to light that would without-a-doubt disprove those sightings, I would be willing to look at that too.

Sure, I agree fully. We have to keep an open mind and let the evidence lead us. But let's say for now that all the sightings surely  be used as an investigative aid. One would be foolish not to.

I might as well throw in another sighting...from London. A bus driver on the Stoneybrook route picks up a  rider that he  identifies as Mistie. If anybody cares to  look up the LTC route for the Adelaide st bus, they will see that this bus goes out Adelaide north to Fanshawe Park Rd.  and north, beyond Fanshawe.  However , if you get off the bus at Fanshawe, it is a short walk to Masonville Mall. There, a woman who worked with troubled young people, was shopping and she came upon this young girl who sat on a bench crying. The lady identified the girl as Mistie by the coat she was wearing; the color was the same, so was the crest on the coat. Here we have two sightings that tend to tie in with the other (however  somewhat weakly) Also, the bus stop where the girl got on(Dundas and Adelaide) was  very close to Dundas and Glebe sts, the  seedy hangout where Mistie's parents were told that Mistie had been seen.

I agree with what you say at the end of your post that open-mindedness is essential and there is no room for prejudice.
Truscott is one who was  judged(convicted) , is it not wrong then to pre-judge him after he has been deemed innocent?
(without getting hung up in the fine line between not guilty and innocent for now ) Is this not, in fact prejudice?

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: lostlinganer on November 06, 2008, 06:40:14 PM
well first of all I have to say that it means nothing to me if Mr. Murray was acquitted, found guilty, or not even suspect.  I have no faith in the courts, for the most part, nor police procedure.  When they choose to convict, they convict; when they choose to cover-up, they cover-up.  And most of all, and especially when it comes to unsolved cases and missing people, that's largely why it's unsolved - because there's too much cover-up, not enough due diligence, and far too much apathy.

Two things that bothers me are:
-was there a proper autopsy? -No!  therefore, is it possible Mistie was pregnant?... that would explain a lot of her sudden urge to move in with her birth mother?  get out of town?  be seen crying alone?  (she was possibly being used for some time by an older guy - and who knows, maybe even another man before this guy - and maybe that other man was jealous enough to explode? maybe the same guy (or) the older boyfriend was afraid for getting her pregnant??? 
-did anyone ever stop to think that maybe she was terrified to go back and get her suitcase and money? or maybe she did, but got thrown out of the house? or worse?  did anyone ever stop to think that maybe the Murray's split up for reasons other than all the publicity and trouble?

There's so much can come to mind regarding all this - especially when we have very limited information - all second hand.  If we didn't speculate, we'd never offer any scenarios.
I personally think that's what we come here for, to throw in ideas and possible scenarios;  if we were here just going on documented facts, there would be no scenarios... because documented facts have already been ridden to death.
My point here is, how can you discuss this case, or say what crosses your mind in the way of unanswered questions, without bringing up Mr. Murray.
If he is totally innocent, he must have formed a hard skin by now regarding all this.  After all, that poor little girl appears to have been murdered and gotten rid of.  What's any worse than that.  I'm sorry!  I have no idea who might have wronged this young girl .... but someone sure did.  And even if the family "closed the book" on her, that doesn't mean that the public doesn't care. 
With no disrespect intended, I say if Mr. Murray is not to be brought up, the topic shouldn't even be here.

Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: DigDig on November 06, 2008, 06:47:44 PM
Lost,
There was never an autopsy because no body has been found. 
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 06, 2008, 07:08:37 PM
Lost,

I understand Mr. Murray's name is obviously going to be mentioned in the postings, all I'm saying is that we have to remember that he was once tried and acquitted. 

Look at it this way:

Let's say I had a family member who was accused of a horrible crime such as murder, but this family member insisted on being innocent.  Let's say this family member is brought to court, and was acquitted.  Chances are this person and or family's lives are pretty much ruined.

So, say there was evidence that proves that this family member could be possibly be innocent.  How is it fair that this family member's name is dragged through mud still, STILL, even after the court acquitted him.

I'm not saying the court made the right decision about Mr. Murray, I don't know.  I don't know the facts.  This is all speculation, but I'm giving out a politeful request that we watch what we say about him being guilty when the court says otherwise.

And no I don't have a family member that's been accused of any crimes.  I'm just trying to put ourselves their shoes, because honestly it could happen to anyone, people have been dragged through the mud, only to have proof found that proved this person was in fact innocent.   
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 06, 2008, 07:40:50 PM
Oh, and just to be clear.   :D

I'm not trying to say you guys are wrong, for example Shwa and Lost, I respect your opinions, and your postings are interesting.

I'm just giving you guys my two cents :)

I don't want to get into tiffs, I want all of us to work together, we're all out for the same goal.

Thanks to everyone for their interest and opinions so far.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Shwa on November 10, 2008, 03:32:28 PM
Gosh, no tiffs happening at all.  I respect a well thought out opinion because they often lead to a conclusion of one thing or another.   Once I get a few moments together, I would like to revisit this case...
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Syiena on November 10, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
me too.

I have been quite sick for the last couple of weeks (damn flu!) and only have been able to make a few postings the last few days.

I told Dig Dig the other day, that I'm staying away from the computer, and more focusing on getting better lol. 

I hope to be back on a computer ALL the TIME, in the next day or so.

In the meantime, I'm anxious to hear some more postings!
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: lostlinganer on November 10, 2008, 05:29:21 PM
author=DigDig link=topic=222.msg18940#msg18940 date=1226018864]
Lost,
There was never an autopsy because no body has been found. 
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Dig; that's what I meant when I said there was "no autopsy".
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: donnamarie on December 23, 2008, 03:46:19 AM
well, my friend emailed the police (she got the email address from the Mistie's missing poster?), and she didn't receive any response for about a week or two.  Then she got a response saying that this tip was being forwarded to the investigator in charge, and that they would go and check it out.  She hasn't heard anything back from them since.  She didn't figure she would, but she's curious and I am too, to find out if they ended up contacting this person.

This person that's on facebook, was under the London, Ontario network.  I'm actually going to look right now, and see if she's changed her picture etc.

I'm sorry, she actually found someone by the name of ****. She's changed her picture, the picture she had last time, was a close up, and it really looked like her!  unfortunately, the picture was too small to be able to determine if this person had a mole on her right cheek, as well as the gap in her teeth.

I will email my friend and see if she's heard anything from the Police. 





Hi,

My name is **** and I live in London UK (rather eerily I do have a mole on my right cheek). I'm the only person who ever shows up in Google searches with my name... so when I was just doing a Google search to quickly link to an article I had written, your thread came up as a search result and, having read it, wondered if it was me you'd mentioned... especially as I am  the only **** who comes up in Facebook searches too and I did change my picture at that exact same time you mention. I just wanted to log in here to let you know if so I'm not your friend (I've lived in England my whole life) so you were not wondering. I'd also like to send you my love and best wishes in finding Mistie. With love, Donna x
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Chris on December 24, 2008, 04:55:57 AM
Sorry about that, must have been an error. I removed your name.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: godrockgal on May 21, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
Hello, I know **** and have for 15 years. He had nothing to do with Mistie and barely knew her. He had only just met her when she disappeared. He never did drugs, didn't administered a date rape drug, ply her with alcohol, etc. When she was 15 he just turned 19 a couple months before that, not 23. He is a very nice guy and wouldn't harm a fly. He was ruled out because he had nothing to do with it hence why he was ruled out. Any specualtion about him is just that....speculation.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 ? Age 16 ? Missing ? Goderich
Post by: Chris on May 24, 2010, 09:14:36 AM
Hello, I know **** and have for 15 years. He had nothing to do with Mistie and barely knew her. He had only just met her when she disappeared. He never did drugs, didn't administered a date rape drug, ply her with alcohol, etc. When she was 15 he just turned 19 a couple months before that, not 23. He is a very nice guy and wouldn't harm a fly. He was ruled out because he had nothing to do with it hence why he was ruled out. Any specualtion about him is just that....speculation.

Thanks for posting that. If the police ruled him out then it is safe to say they have good reason to do so.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: Greenley Family on February 08, 2011, 06:16:03 PM
There have been unidentified remains of a woman found in Bowmanville/Clarington , Ontario.  The remains were of a skull and a ring, watch, and shirt they discovered in 2006.  The ring is a 91/2 size, which is rather large but when i heard Mistie had  wore rings on all of her fingers i thought that was interesting.  They said the skull had some sort of nose surgery or something like that and i was wondering if Mistie had anything like that done.  The shirt had several colors and Blue Rodeo was the brand of shirt.  I believe the ring was from Burns jewelery.  Just thought i would bring this to someones attention.  Don't know if this helps but its something you just never know.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: heartbroken on March 16, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
with a very sad and heavy heart I am compelled to address some of those who have commented on my daugther's case. That's right I am Darlene, Mistie's birth mother.

I only ask that, PLEASE take in heart what you are saying or thinking on Mistie's case as you where not there or know of any of us that are involved personally in this tragedy. I love my daughter very much, yes I said love not loved as she will remain alive in my heart forever. The anniversary of her disappearance{???}, is again coming up soon and every year at this time I am again finding myself defending Mistie to the public. WHY!!

Yes, I'd love for more people to be involved in solving her case as there is no peace for her until this is solved. Just try to get to know the true facts first and not take everything you read as heart and truth.

P.S. I am also on facebook {for reason's} as are other **** around the world who are not be related to us. The newest updated phote you see of Mistie to me and my family is completely wrong as she would very much take after me as I do my mother.

Thank you for your understanding in advance....
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jellybean on March 16, 2011, 10:01:52 PM
Heartbroken"  While I have not posted on your daughter's thread my heart goes out to  you.  A missing daughter is nothing to take lightly, and we never take a missing person lightly on this site. And as you can see these are caring people who truly want to find out what happened to her.
When teenagers go missing, there is always rumours and speculation going around which can be  hurtful.  Gosh rumours can fly around them, even when they live in the midst of us. Often with little merit. I think as adults we can all remember or have experienced it when we were young. Some of the posters either knew or heard of Mistie, and they still think of her, and it bothers them that her case has not been solved.

Take care.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: heartbroken on March 21, 2011, 09:51:26 AM
Thank you for your kind words Jellybean.

I am very grateful to those people who genually care and want to help with Mistie's case. She would be proud that people are trying to help, she was that kind of person as well.

It's just that it keeps hurting so much when you read words from others {on other sights as well} who only spectulate "wrongly" on things they have no direct connection to and believe everything they read.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jellybean on March 21, 2011, 12:05:47 PM
Heartbroken;  Perhaps when you have the emotional energy, you might wish to post something about Mistie, how special she was, what she enjoyed.  You know, bring her forward as the person that she was,  a whole person, and comments, while for the most part are well intention, would be "more thoughtful", and helpful.

Take care
JB
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: Chris on March 22, 2011, 01:20:08 AM
Hi heartbroken, I am very sorry about your daughter. If there is stuff on here you feel should not be posted, just let me know. I understand sometimes people speculate, inlcuding myself and it's not always correct.

I hope this can be solved soon!

Chris
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: no one special on July 28, 2011, 05:20:27 PM
 I was in walkerton jail with Steve, for some time, when he was charged with her murder.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jellybean on August 03, 2011, 10:50:35 AM
To no on special.  yes, you are special to us for posting.

peace
jb
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: LiLMizz on April 16, 2012, 12:57:07 AM
Just wanted to comment on the banking discrepancy May 30/31,  back in 1995 many banks at a certain hour (usually 4-5 pm)begin posting the transactions on the following business days date.  So in fact **** could have actually cashed his cheque on May 30 but the bank records it on the 31st.  I recall this because my workplace stopped allowing employees to pick up paycheques early as they were taking them to bank day before cashable.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: Dannybam on October 02, 2015, 06:20:31 PM
Hello everyone,

As a life-long resident of Goderich, a small and systemically corrupt town, it's interesting that many of you know more about the disappearance of Misty Murray than I do.

I think that it might be helpful to compile all of the factual evidence... photos, details, etc... into one thread that is devoid of comment and speculation.  I, myself, have been the lead suspect of the Sonia Varaschin murder, and that seemed to be a helpful investigative tool on her thread.

I knew **** as a classmate and acquaintance.  I believe that "Boog" was a year older than myself.  He would have been 19 or 20 years old at the time of Misty's murder.  **** was a badly abused and bullied young man, as was I, and another of our contemporaries, and fellow Goderichite, convicted murderer, Michael Adamson.

There is a mechanism in Goderich culture that attempts to prognosticate what "evils" some youths may be capable of, and encourages or creates opportunities for those crimes, claiming I suppose, to have some useful merit.  It is the most ignorant abuse of trust and influence that one could imagine.

I didn't know Misty.  We never met.  We were in much different social circles.

What I can say, is that I hadn't seen **** for an extended time, perhaps a year, before we had a brief and strange encounter, and I haven't seen him since.  I found "Boog" on "The Square" (the central hub of downtown Goderich), and he spoke very out of character.  He was speaking as though he wanted me to think that he was psychologically impaired.  I cannot recall exactly *which chicken was shovel weather*, only that it seemed to take effort and intent to speak that way... hahaha.

If I had to guess, and there is no weight of evidence behind this irresponsible assumption, it's only a "Clue"-styled shot at connecting the dots:

-Misty became pregnant and/or planned to move
-**** became afraid of fatherhood, child support, a Statutory Rape charge (the "mechanism" was ignorant of the legal age of consent at that time), and/or desertion of what would have been his most successful relationship
-Misty wanted to become a mother, and/or planned to move in with her natural mother, excitedly

-Colonel Cook ("Booger"), in the Conservatory (his apartment), with the Candlestick (abortifacients).


Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jobo on March 24, 2017, 05:15:20 AM
Yesterday, I came across a news article that states that construction workers building a backyard patio on George's Cres, Goderich, disvovered human remains....a partial skull.
I'm posting the info here on Misty's thread, since her disappearance has never been solved.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: debbiec on March 24, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
Yesterday, I came across a news article that states that construction workers building a backyard patio on George's Cres, Goderich, disvovered human remains....a partial skull.
I'm posting the info here on Misty's thread, since her disappearance has never been solved.

Thank you for posting jobo. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: debbiec on March 24, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
Construction workers find human skull while building backyard patio in Goderich
Workers were excavating soil when human remains found, police say
By Julia Whalen, CBC News  Posted: Mar 22, 2017 9:28 PM ET| Last Updated: Mar 23, 2017 8:58 AM ET


Ontario Provincial Police say a construction crew found human remains on a job site in Goderich Tuesday evening.

Huron County OPP responded to a call from workers at a property on St. George's Crescent around 8 p.m. saying the crew had found a partial human skull. A portion of the backyard had been excavated in January to prepare for spring construction and when crews arrive on the job site Tuesday, workers found the skull in the soil.

Police say the remains have been confirmed as human, but no other details have been released.

Members from the Huron County Crime Unit, OPP Forensic Identification Services and a forensic anthropologist from the Office of the Chief Coroner are investigating.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/goderich-human-remains-1.4037234 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/goderich-human-remains-1.4037234)
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jobo on March 25, 2017, 02:54:11 AM
Thanks for posting the article, Debbie.
I hope we come across the results of the investigation.
Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: jellybean on March 18, 2018, 01:02:49 PM

http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0006/np000606.htm
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Donna Laframboise[size=-1]National Post[/size]  Five years ago last week, a 16-year-old girl named Mistie Murray went missing from her home in Goderich, Ont., a town of 7,500 on the shore of Lake Huron. Eleven days ago, a provincial watchdog ordered an independent review of how the police -- who laid an unsuccessful murder charge against Mistie's father -- have handled this case.
When their daughter disappeared, the lives of Anne and Steve Murray plunged into darkness. Frantic with worry, they spent the summer of 1995 searching for her. Every time the phone rang, their hopes rose and fell again.
That September, their nightmare got unbelievably worse. Despite the dozens of people who told police they'd spotted Mistie in nearby communities during the month of June, the investigating officers developed another theory. They said Steve had taken his daughter out on the lake on the last day of May, killed her for no apparent reason and thrown her body overboard.
We can only guess at the police psychology in this matter. One explanation is that it's more glamorous to be pursuing a murderer than tracking down a missing person. Another is that envy played a role. Steve was handsome, popular and successful. He ran one of the town's pubs, owned a speedboat and drove a new Trans Am convertible. Perhaps the temptation to tear down someone who seemed to have it all was too strong.
Whatever the reason, from the moment the handcuffs closed over Steve's wrists, the financial destruction of the Murray family was assured. While most of us prefer not to think about such things, the cost of defending one's self against a serious criminal charge wipes out all but the wealthiest -- no matter how innocent an accused person may be.
Legal bills are only the beginning. After the Murray's boat was impounded, its interior was vandalized in a search for evidence that never materialized. (In what appears to have been a sick ploy intended to fuel the local rumour mill, carpet, anchors and a seat from the boat were brought to the courthouse but never introduced at trial.) Exposed to the elements before being returned to the Murrays 19 months later, the boat had been soaked by rain and snow to the point where interior surfaces were coated with black mildew, and cutlery inside kitchen cupboards was covered with rust. Even after being cleaned up and repaired, it sold for half its former value.
As an accused murderer, Steve found it difficult to find work (the pub, too, was sold at a loss). "I put an ad in the paper to shovel driveways and sidewalks," he told the National Post in his first media interview last year. "I got another job cleaning public mail boxes around town."
When his three-week trial ended in mid-1997, the family's savings had been depleted and a pile of bills remained. The case against Steve was so preposterous the jury took only 45 minutes to throw it out, but that didn't change his financial situation one iota.
If police officers never made mistakes there'd be no need for judges and juries. But the role of such people is to ensure the police case is persuasive. In this instance, the jury unequivocally told the cops to return to the drawing board.
But rather than backing off, the police have spent the three years since Steve's acquittal insisting they're right. In March, CBC television's the fifth estate aired an interview with an Ontario Provincial Police spokesperson.
"Since the disappearance of Mistie Murray, have you found anything that would link her to being at the bottom of Lake Huron?" asked the interviewer.
"No, but we are going to continue to look," came the police response.
When the Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services recently informed Anne, in a rare decision, that her complaints regarding police conduct "raise serious issues which the Commission wishes to have further examined," a small ray of light pierced her family's gloom. For the first time in years, it seems possible to her that police officers aren't just cowboys permitted to pursue their delusions indefinitely.
Anne continues to hope her daughter is alive, out there somewhere, and that they'll be reunited one day.
 
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Title: Re: Mistie Murray - May 31, 1995 - Age 16 - Missing - Goderich
Post by: July on August 29, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
Human remains found in Goderich backyard ‚Äėhistorical in nature,‚Äô police say
March 23, 2017 7:44 pm
https://globalnews.ca/news/3331107/human-remains-found-in-goderich-backyard-historical-in-nature-police-say/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/3331107/human-remains-found-in-goderich-backyard-historical-in-nature-police-say/)

A partial human skull located in the backyard of a Goderich home on Tuesday could date back more than 100 years, Huron OPP said Thursday.

Officers had been called to a residence on St. George’s Crescent around 8 p.m. after a construction crew building a backyard patio on the property located the remains while working in the afternoon, police said.

Investigators said a portion of the yard had been excavated in January to prepare for springtime construction. When crew members returned to the site on Tuesday to build, they located the remains in the excavated soil.

A forensic anthropologist from the Office of the Chief Coroner attended the scene, and police released an update on Thursday, saying investigation had determined the remains were ‚Äúhistorical in nature‚ÄĚ and were ‚Äúpossibly from the 1800s.‚ÄĚ

No further information has been released. In their initial release about the matter on Wednesday, police said the skull portion was all that had been located.

According to provincial police, their investigation into the discovery has ended, adding they left the scene around 5 p.m. Wednesday.