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Title: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on September 28, 2008, 05:40:52 AM
 :'( This is so cruel, and heartless!!! R.I.P.

By MICHELLE THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA
   

A teenage girl is dead after being attacked by a man on an Edson pathway yesterday afternoon.

"It definitely is being treated as a homicide," RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes said, adding about 20 officers are investigating the case.

Cops said the girl, whose name and age were not released by press time, was attacked by a man about 4:45 p.m. on a tree-lined path bordering homes.

Police said two youngsters came upon the attack, which occurred near Willshire Estates and Old Tiffin, and raced to a nearby home for assistance.

After emergency crews tried reviving the girl, she was taken to Edson hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

Police believe the suspect might have fled the area on an ATV vehicle or another mode of transportation.

Investigators are looking for a white man in his 30s with brown hair. He was wearing a blue jacket and jeans at the time of the attack.

Anyone with information is asked to call Edson RCMP at 780-723-8800.

Or, call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Chris on September 29, 2008, 11:57:10 AM
I hope they catch this sucker. What kind of a sick freak kills a 14 year old girl like that???? This better not be that pedo freak who took off from Edmonton or someone in the justie system should pay too.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on September 29, 2008, 12:00:28 PM

This is MURDER!!! please press link for picture:
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http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/09/29/6915936-sun.html

By MICHELLE THOMPSON, AND TAMAS VIRAG, SUN MEDIA

Emily Stauffer was killed walking along town trail.

EDSON -- The slaying of a 14-year-old girl, killed in broad daylight on a wooded trail within paces of Edson homes, leaves police imploring witnesses to come forward with tips on the baffling case.

Yesterday, police intensified their hunt for Emily Stauffer's killer as an RCMP helicopter scoured a wooded area for clues. As many as 20 police officers - some from neighbouring RCMP detachments - were also on the scene.

Stauffer was slain by a man while strolling through a tree-lined walking trail about 4:45 p.m. Saturday, sending waves of shock and fear through the town of about 8,000 residents 200 km west of Edmonton.

"From the few people I've (spoken to) today, it's definitely rocked our community," said Edson Mayor Greg Pasychny.

"It's extremely shocking. It's not something you prepare for."

After being attacked, Stauffer was discovered by two boys cycling along the path. The children rushed to a nearby home for help, but by the time emergency crews arrived, Stauffer was dead.
   
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Police said her attacker might have fled the scene on an all-terrain vehicle.

The suspect is about 30, has brown hair, and was wearing a blue jacket and blue pants at the time of the attack.

RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes is urging anyone with information to come forward.

"At this point, we want to hear about anything," he said. "Whatever somebody saw in relation to an adult male leaving that area, investigators would like to speak with them.

"What I can say is that the tips that have come in so far, investigators have been very pleased with them and they're eager to respond to every tip that comes in."

Oakes could not say whether Stauffer was sexually assaulted, or whether her killer attacked her with a weapon.

A cause of death has not been determined.

In light of the attack, he urged people to travel in groups, keep cellphones handy and be aware of their surroundings.

That's exactly what Nicole Smith, 13, intends to do.

The Edson resident said her parents have forbidden her from walking her little dog Elephant on the popular trail where Stauffer was killed until a suspect is nabbed.

"They came in and told me the story and said it's really not safe to be walking alone," she said.

"(It's) scary. I biked there every day."

Peter Simon, who was biking along the trail with son Kyle yesterday, said the killing left him feeling unnerved too.

"We'll be a little more careful," he said as an RCMP helicopter scoured the wooded area surrounding the trail.

Anyone with information should call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS.
Title: Re: Who Killed Young Girl Killed in Edson???
Post by: Adrian on September 30, 2008, 09:08:38 AM
Fear Grips Edson. Killer on the Loose!

Please press link for pictures, story+ video:

http://edmontonsun.com/

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By MICHELLE THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA

Young women show their grief during a memorial service yesterday for teen murder victim Emily Stauffer. About 100 people attended, at the Edson Baptist Church. (Michelle Thompson, Sun Media)

EDSON -- Mounties went door to door searching for clues in the baffling slaying of teen Emily Stauffer yesterday as the manhunt for her killer continued.

In a quest to nab the pretty 14-year-old's killer, cops also released a sketch of a person of interest in the case.

Emily left her north Edson home Saturday afternoon, never to return.

She was attacked at about 4:45 p.m. on a popular town walking trail bordering trees and houses, but if she screamed during the attack, nobody heard her.

Curiosity drew Jim Lozinski from his north Edson home at about dinner time Saturday, after emergency crews raced to the scene.

"We walked down there," he said, gesturing to the spot Emily's body was found, about 50 metres from his home. "They were working on her."
   
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TROUBLING

Lozinski said he didn't see the 14-year-old's body, but spotted something equally troubling.

"We saw a bloody nylon rope on the walking trail," he said. "He must have surprised her."

Two boys happened upon Emily, but police haven't specified whether they witnessed the attack, or discovered her after the assailant fled.

Abraham Botha, who left South Africa several months ago to flee its violence, said he heard nothing at the time of the 4:45 p.m. attack.

"Even my dog didn't bark," he said. "Usually she would.

"I think if it's really premeditated, it's quick. There has to be a motivation for the whole thing."

James McKinlay said he was thankful his family was on a quadding trip Saturday, since he has a young daughter who often plays in the woods.

"Then you realize there's a (grieving) family you share a small town with and there's a creep hanging around in your backyard," he said.

"If it was just a random, violent attack by someone who picked on a weaker human being, you realize nobody's safe."

On Sunday, police intensified their hunt for Emily's killer as an RCMP helicopter scoured a wooded area for clues. As many as 20 police officers - some from neighbouring RCMP detachments - were also on the scene.

Suspects have yet to be pegged, RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes said yesterday.

"If we had suspects in mind, we would not be continuing to come out with such vigour," he said last night. "We are still aggressively seeking information that will lead us to the person (who committed) this horrific murder."

EASY ESCAPE

Frits Misana, who lives near the crime scene, said it would be "very easy" for Emily's killer to escape into the wilderness if he was riding an all-terrain vehicle.

Like his neighbours, he didn't hear a peep during Saturday's slaying.

"I never heard a thing, other than when the ambulances pulled up," he said.

Police have stressed the sketch released yesterday was not of a suspect, but simply of someone investigators want to talk to.

They're asking anyone who may have been on or around the pathway near Willshire Estates and Old Tiffin, between 17 and 18 avenues in Edson, any time Saturday afternoon or evening to call Edson RCMP at 780-723-8822.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on September 30, 2008, 10:10:57 AM


Why was this young girl targetted? She was 14, doing what she normally does, and it cost her, her life! WHY!!! :'( :'(

Suspect, brown hair, thirtyish, may have bike, or all terrain vehicle.
Two boys found her on the walking trail. It was 4:45PM, in the afternoon.
There was a bloody nylon rope left at the scene. A neighbours dog, didn't bark! Why??

Was this killer known to Emily Stauffer?

There is a drawn picture of a person, who is of interest.I don't know how to put a pic up? Anyone?

This seems premeditated to me, as he had a rope, but was he intentionally after Emily? Or was it random to any female who happened by? Does he live near there? The dog did not bark!' to the "stranger".

Man, this gets me, when a child, a young teen can't even go for a walk, without having her life taken!!!! Plus is this the guy trying to lure young girls, in Edson, and Hinton? Let us hope this sucker is caught soon.

R.I.P. Emily Stauffer   You are in the Creator,s arms now.. :'( :'(
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on September 30, 2008, 10:33:19 AM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=8ccbf232-89d6-41c6-9476-3b7edeed39dc

Please press link from Journal.

Pastors say faith stronger after tragedy hits home
Alexandra Zabjek, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 7:32 am
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EDMONTON - Rev. Don Schiemann has spent years bringing hope and faith to parents who've lost their children or spouses whose partners have died.

When his own son was gunned down with three fellow RCMP officers three years ago, the people Schiemann had helped in their darkest hours returned his kindness, offering their strength and words of solace.

"As a pastor, you bring God's word of comfort to people and then, all of a sudden, you find these people coming to you and bringing that word back to you," said Schiemann, a Lutheran pastor whose son, Peter, was killed near Mayerthorpe in 2005.
Community members pay their respects by bringing flowers and stuffed animals to a quickly organized memorial for murdered teen Emily Stauffer.
Community members pay their respects by bringing flowers and stuffed animals to a quickly organized memorial for murdered teen Emily Stauffer.
SHAUGHN BUTTS/Edmonton Journal


Baptist minister Terry Stauffer is now grieving the loss of his 14-year-old daughter, Emily, who was killed in Edson this weekend.

Stauffer posted an on-line message saying Emily's death has prompted his family to realize, "from the inside," the value of gospel theology.

Schiemann said his Christian faith helped him deal with his son's murder. While he questioned his faith in the justice system, he never questioned his faith in God. If anything, his son's death reinforced the Christian teachings the he had shared with others for so long.

"I wasn't perfunctory at all about bringing God's promises to people," Schiemann said. "But it just hit home that this is more than some kind of a spiritual exercise. This is as real as it gets. These promises are as real as can be, now more than ever."

When tragedy touches the family of a religious leader in a small town, the sense of disbelief can run especially deep within a community.

Dale Lang was an Anglican priest in Taber when a 14-year-old killed his teenage son, Jason, in a school shooting nine years ago. Lang said he received comfort from the very congregation he had led through difficult times.

"You still end up meeting a lot of people in those circumstances who come to comfort you, and you often end up comforting each other."

azabjek@thejournal.canwest.com


? The Edmonton Journal 2008
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: lostlinganer on September 30, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Am I the only one who feels this was a random act?
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on September 30, 2008, 01:39:26 PM

Hey gal, How's it go? It may well be a random act, if connected to the luring of kids, in Hinton, and Edson. BUT, It does bother me that the man who lived close by, said his dog didn't bark! If that was strange to him, then I wonder if the dog was used to the killer. Get my drift?

I had a beautiful, gentle German Shepherd, who someone left the pup, conveniently in my 4 sons school lot.We kept Dusty till she passed on at 12 years old. I kept her, as I trained her NOT to bark, at anyone running in and out. Think 4 boys, and friends. Never ending. A cop gave me his dog house.

The point is, when there was trouble, like a stranger trying to come to the door,with something bad on his mind, or being sneaky. She also chased a would be burglar OUT the kitchen window. She also snapped the wrist of a guy who slammed his fist on the table, as I didn't want to drink at Xmas. She chased him out, and he fell on his arse! Ha! ;D ;D ;D ::)Dusty was trained to Bark only at trouble, or the whiff of fear! As single parent, I took NO chances!!! Missya, Dusty! ((hugs))) to my best friend, forever.

I am un sure, for now, but will continue to follow this story, as he may be anywhere now, any where! Thanks...
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on September 30, 2008, 02:33:28 PM


Please!!! If anyone comes across any updates on Emily Stauffer, could you please post it? I will be gone till tonight, and I am wondering if this connects to any Hinton, or Edson activities in the past while. Thankyou so much!

R. I. P. Emily Stauffer May some sort of closure come to all her family and friends. (Hugs))))) to you all, and may justice come quickly..Adrian
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 30, 2008, 07:32:29 PM
Another female attacked on Edson walking path

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/09/30/pf-6934181.html (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/09/30/pf-6934181.html)
By JOHN COTTER, The Canadian Press
 

EDSON, Alta. ? RCMP were hunting for a suspect after a woman was accosted Tuesday on a walking path in Edson, Alta., only days after a 14-year-old girl was killed on a nearby trail.

The woman in her 20s was taken to hospital and released and was working to help police. Schools filled with students still nervous about the weekend murder were locked down as a precaution.

?The RCMP were bringing in a helicopter from Edmonton along with police dogs and they are on a manhunt right now,? Mayor Greg Pasychny said in an interview.

?I?m shocked again. I am really glad that she is alive. I know that she is shaken up, but she is alive. We know now that he is still around the community and that there is a very good chance of apprehending him. And that makes me excited because I want him caught in the worst way.?

The second attack came as the medical examiner confirmed that Emily Stauffer, 14, was murdered, but police would not say how she died or if she was sexually assaulted.

Emily?s body was found Saturday afternoon on a trail on the outskirts of the oil industry town west of Edmonton.

 
RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes said police won?t release details of the crime because it might interfere with the investigation. He said some of the evidence has been sent for forensic examination.

The Mounties are appealing to the public for tips in the case and have urged people not to take the law into their own hands.

People in Edson have been edgy and fearful since her death, with many parents driving their children to and from school.

RCMP ordered three schools in the area to be locked down Tuesday and educators decided to lock down two more as a precaution.

Parents were telephoned to come pick up their children if they walked, while students who take the bus were escorted by their teachers, said Nicole Merrifield, a spokeswoman for the Grand Yellowhead School Division.

Younger students were not told the reason for the lockdown but the older students understood what was going on. Merrifield said everyone in town has been nervous since Emily was killed on Saturday.

?As a mother and someone who works with students this hasn?t been something easy to handle,? she said. ?Emily was a wonderful girl, a beautiful girl, a loving child. To lose her was shocking enough. To have this happen today is just more so.?

RCMP have warning people to stay away from Edson?s trail system for at least the next 24 hours and to travel in groups. The suspect has been described as a muscular white man in his mid 20s who reeked of strong body odour and cologne. On the weekend Mounties said they were searching for a 30-year-old white man wearing a blue jacket and blue jeans who may have been driving an all-terrain vehicle.

Police were comparing details of the attack for similarities to the girl?s murder.

Pastor Steve Rigby of the Alliance Church said that since the fatal attack on Emily, the daughter of a pastor of the Edson Baptist Church, people in the oil and natural gas industry town were full of grief. Leaders of all churches in the community are to meet Wednesday to come up with a plan to help people cope.

Some people have asked him how God could allow something so bad to happen to such an young, innocent girl.

?Edson is hurting. There is anger and hurt in the community and we need to process that,? he said. ?We have to come back to our faith in Christ. God is still God. He has not abdicated. He has given us a free will and some people choose to use that free will in a very bad way. But we can use our free will to gain victory over bitterness and anger.?

Investigators have said that Emily was killed by a man who approached her as she strolled along a tree-lined walking trail. The girl was a nature buff who often walked in the woods to take photographs.

Police said two young boys riding their bikes witnessed the attack and pedalled home for help, but by the time emergency crews arrived, the girl was dead.

Nearby resident Jim Lozinski said he saw police performing CPR on the girl and saw a bloody rope on the trail.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on October 01, 2008, 02:45:36 AM
Thanks Alberta C., Just got this info: Press link for more information. THX

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/10/01/6937791-sun.html

By MICHELLE THOMPSON AND TAMAS VIRAG, SUN MEDIA

An RCMP dog unit searches wooded trails near Edson yesterday, part of a manhunt for teen Emily Stauffer?s killer. Another young woman was accosted in Edson yesterday. (PERRY MAH/Sun Media)

The town of Edson is gripped in fear as another young woman was attacked on a trail yesterday, three days after local teen Emily Stauffer was murdered.

"Definitely there's more shock in the community and there's added fear right now. To have another person attacked in our community is definitely shocking," said Edson Mayor Greg Pasychny. "This isn't supposed to be happening in our community."

Mounties were at a loss to explain how a woman was accosted in the town filled with dozens of cops looking for Emily's killer.

The latest attack occurred within kilometres of where Emily was slain.

"It defies logic and until we have an opportunity to identify and speak with the person involved we will be as mystified by this as the next person," said RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes.

Officers were on the ground and in the air, collecting every bit of information they could about the circumstances of the 14-year-old's death.
   

But, despite the heavy police presence, a woman in her early 20s was "accosted" around 1:30 p.m. as she walked along a path near the Tim Hortons on the town's east side.

Though this was across town from the walking path Emily was slain on, Oakes said considering Edson's small size "there's not a great distance involved" between the two incidents.

Oakes said the woman was not seriously injured, but he declined to say whether a weapon was used, whether there were any witnesses or who called police.

When asked if the attack was sexually motivated, Oakes refused to answer the question, calling it "inappropriate."

Police say it's too early to say whether this altercation and Saturday's homicide are related, but they say it's a possibility they're looking into.

Meanwhile, Oakes said yesterday that an autopsy completed Monday confirmed Emily, killed while strolling along a popular trail Saturday, was the victim of foul play.

Police won't say how the teen died, nor will they speak to whether she was sexually assaulted.

Sharing that information could compromise the investigation, Oakes told reporters.

"Investigators will not be releasing those details at this time," he said. "We are in the process of having aspects of evidence enter the forensic analysis stage, which is hoped to provide further assistance in solving this homicide investigation."

On Sunday, police released a sketch of a "person of interest," but Oakes said the man depicted in that drawing is not the same man suspected of killing Emily.

"I stress the person in this sketch is not a suspect and is not the person that we previously described as being a suspect," he said.

"This is a person that investigators want to speak with."

The slaying suspect has been described as being about 30 with brown hair. He was wearing a blue jacket and blue jeans.

The suspect in yesterday's attack was described as a white man in his mid-20s, who is taller than five-foot-nine. RCMP say he has a muscular build, had dirty hands at the time of the attack and had a strong smell of body odour and cologne about him.

He was wearing a black hoodie - with white lettering on the chest and red lettering or red material around the edge of the hood - and black BOCA pants.

Anyone with information is asked to call Edson RCMP at (780) 723-8800 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on October 01, 2008, 11:24:22 AM


The police are on the news, wondering if the killing of 14 year old Emily Stauffer, is connected to recent attack on trail.3 days after the killing!!!

Please read the above posts as this is BREAKING NEWS!
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2008, 12:06:22 PM
 :'( :'( :'( >:( >:(
 I pray with all my heart they get this KILLER. Before he strike again 3 days after Emily's MURDER
 is too close. With this many Police Officers in Edson you would think they would get this evil
 person. They should just bring back the Death Penalties and get rid of these EVIL MONSTERS.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Adrian on October 01, 2008, 02:14:23 PM


I am with you all the way on this one Sue! Get the SOB now, and end it quick! These perverted jack a**es, need the DP.

Because this thread was kinda hidden, I put it in General discussion, with the link from this one. It needs exposure NOW!!
Off Topic:
PS: Sue, Do you know of Jacqueline Murdock/h, whose DNA was found at the Pig Farm, and hidden for years by cops to the family. They were not allowed to speak of it, till Pickton trial over? I am looking for my dad's side, and she may be a relative? THX  I am trying to contact. waabzy knows also.
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2008, 04:08:19 PM
 Hi Adrian,
I'm sorry I never heard of Jacqueline Murdock being at the PICKTON 's FARM OF HORRORS.
 But I do now know quite a few family's who have lost-ed there loved one to this EVIL MONSTER.
Why waste the tax's payer money ,just put him to DEATH and good ridden of evil monsters.
 Now there is going to be a second trial for 22 more victims at his farm of horrors.
 I met all the Paplins sisters in July, Sandra Gagnon who sister Janet Henry was MURDER BY
THIS EVIL MONSTERS. There are just so many.Also shame on those cops they should be lock up
and the key throwing away. Also if Jacqueline was a family member my heart goes out to you
and your family. :'( :'( >:(
Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: haunted on October 01, 2008, 04:21:10 PM
IMO, turn loose all the local hunters and let track this guy down. I'm sure he'd meet his justice a lot more swiftly that way, and we
wouldn't have to wait for some judge to hand out concurrent sentences that are ridiculously too lenient.

These crimes just further convince me that we need the death penalty.

Title: Re: A Young Girl Killed in Edson!
Post by: Sue on October 01, 2008, 05:27:59 PM
AMEN haunted.  :'( :'( :'( >:(
 I was on the radio today talking about how theses family members feel. What a toll it take on. That theses MURDERS get a slap on their wrist. Well we never get our loved ones back.
Also talked about the walk for justice that started June 21 from Vancouver an they arrived here in Ottawa,
on August 15 to meet on Parlaiment Hill to let our Government know,that there are over 3000 missing
and MURDER women in Canada. Also too tell Canadian people to open up their eyes for we have too
stop these MURDERS, a life should be worth a life. I try really hard not too let Lowe Greene know
that IM a Mother of a MURDER child. To voice on how we feel and the pain we feel every day of our life's.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 01, 2008, 11:01:49 PM
I heard about this second attack on the radio. IMO, this is actually not related. I could be wrong. But the desrciption does not match and the woman only said she was accosted (not sure that means). Plus he killed a 14 year old, and those freaks prefer young girls so I do not think this is the same.

In fact, I bet that freak is long gone by now. BUt it would not surprise me if the police have some leads already. I'm still wondering about that sex offender who took off from Edmonton.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 02, 2008, 10:05:25 AM
It does seem as if the two are separate incidences but in a way that seems all the more scary to me. I have wondered if the second guy was sort of a copy cat. On the other hand, the description of the second guy makes you think he could be a transient and if that's the case I guess it's possible that he didn't even know about the first attack. Either way I hope they can find this guy(s) before any more women are attacked.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 02, 2008, 11:36:03 AM
The two attacks so close to each other are extremely strange if it were not the same person. The second if unconnected may be disguising something to do with the first, the murder of Emily. If as indicated Emily was a frequent visitor to the trails where she was attacked, she may have been targetted and stalked by her killer. She may have seen or known her killer from a previous time. The people from the town of Edson believe that he had to be a resident to know of the trail system. Who in Emily's life could have become infatuated with her in a manner that was not reciprical?

The second attack is an ominous and foreboding incident with multiple possibilities.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 02, 2008, 03:24:38 PM

Plusthere have been near attacks, in Hinton and Edson previously. Luring, a guy in Walmart, trying to feel up women.

Yeah, D1,Deb, Sue, Haunted, Chris and all , I want these guys to pay. I also wonder about the dog not barking, which normally would.Maybe the dog recognized the scent of the person, etc..., as well as Emily. Yes, this guy may be known there, in Edson.

Good idea, let the hunter become the hunted. Pretty scary, but let me tell you, these trackers are Good! They can hold him, till the cops get there.I would hate to see an innocent person get shot. It has happened, and we need the right guy!!!!

For people who kill, and attack, for thrills, lust, perverse thoughts, and sick fantasies, I believe the Death Penalty should come back! Solid DNA evidense, and clues, prints, etc..., they should die as they have killed.  Murder committed by a person in trust, should also be given the Death Penalty. Barring that, lock, em, in solitary, for the rest of their life. NO interenet!!!! None!!!!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Baba Donya on October 03, 2008, 12:28:36 AM
Well, there is an election coming up....maybe that should be on someone's ticket...what do you think?

VOTING IN THE DEATH PENALTY should be an campaign issue!

Back to this young girl...snuffed out of a life....what a SIN!

This does surprize me about the dog....my dogs bark at anything unusual... so I find this very odd, that this dog did not bark...unless it is deaf. Even growling....this dog would have done, because dogs sense fear.

If Emily face was beaten, I believe then she knew the man. It may very well have been someone from her church. There are alot of sickos out there, and churches have a tendancy to open there arms out to the oddest of people. He may have stalked her, got to know the dog by giving it treats, and then got her when he felt the timing was right.

Edson being a small city now, and oil booming in Alberta, brings in the riff-raff from all over, because Alberta is short on staffing their companies.

I feel though, this man is from the area, because he did make a good retreat, and that he knew where to attack her.

Although, Edson has a major highway, by-passing it....so the random act may very well have happened.

I pray for comfort and peace for Emily's family, and that the evil man, who decided to end Emily's life, be found quickly!

 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 03, 2008, 04:37:33 PM


If this was random, and the perp did NOT live in Edson, or surroundings, this freak can go any where. Out of curiousity, has Kare been contacted, or involved. Just a thought....

From the description of the guy, being sweaty and smelly, about 30, cologne to cover the smell, may mean he is transient.I hope posters of the drawing are sent to ALL shelters in Alberta.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 03, 2008, 08:09:48 PM
This girl went to a church where her father was the Pastor. I wonder if she was targeted. You'd think a sex predator would have done more then just kill her. Maybe take her away or something. Something is weird about this one.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Baba Donya on October 04, 2008, 01:16:26 AM
Maybe he lured her from the internet???

Have they announced how she died??? I read or heard on the news that they were not sure the exact reason why she died.

I dearly hope they catch this perp soon!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 04, 2008, 02:40:50 PM


By RENATO GANDIA, SUN MEDIA

 
 
After several days of gruelling police work on the apparent second attack on a 20-year-old Edson woman, investigators concluded that the complaint is frivolous.

Investigators have been diligently probing the slaying of Emily Stauffer last week in concert with the Sept. 30 alleged assault, but late last night Mounties concluded the attack complaint was unfounded.

"Stauffer's death may have had a direct and unfortunate influence that resulted in the second incident being reported to authorities," Mounties said.

The RCMP won't charge the complainant with public mischief and they're asking the public to disregard the description of the alleged suspect released related to the alleged second case.

Meanwhile, one week following the brutal slaying of Stauffer, police continue today the manhunt for her killer.

Mounties are not able to publicly disclose whether they're close to nabbing the man who killed the teenager.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes explains that saying either investigators are closing in on the killer or not even close will jeopardize the case because that may change the killer's behaviour.

Investigators have been working hard and Oakes says in his 30 years of policing "this ranks up at the top."

The enthusiasm and dedication investigators are putting into the case are just exceptional, he said.

"That applies to the majority of cases that our officers are investigating," he added.

Following the alleged second attack on a 20-year-old woman last Tuesday, additional investigators were called in and more than 40 of them worked on the two cases.


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on October 04, 2008, 02:43:12 PM
Here is the composite sketch that was made.  He is a Person of Interest at this time.

(http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20080930/160_RCMP_sketch.jpg)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 04, 2008, 02:49:35 PM
Is this a sketch of the suspect in Emily's murder or the second phoney attack?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 04, 2008, 04:15:13 PM
  This is from Emilie's attack!

Picture in paper, on the 29th, before the phoney one.Police sketch. Don't know if this is from kids witnessed or someone saw him near the attack.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 04, 2008, 11:09:44 PM


By RENATO GANDIA, SUN MEDIA

 
 
After several days of gruelling police work on the apparent second attack on a 20-year-old Edson woman, investigators concluded that the complaint is frivolous.

Investigators have been diligently probing the slaying of Emily Stauffer last week in concert with the Sept. 30 alleged assault, but late last night Mounties concluded the attack complaint was unfounded.

"Stauffer's death may have had a direct and unfortunate influence that resulted in the second incident being reported to authorities," Mounties said.

The RCMP won't charge the complainant with public mischief and they're asking the public to disregard the description of the alleged suspect released related to the alleged second case.

Meanwhile, one week following the brutal slaying of Stauffer, police continue today the manhunt for her killer.

Mounties are not able to publicly disclose whether they're close to nabbing the man who killed the teenager.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes explains that saying either investigators are closing in on the killer or not even close will jeopardize the case because that may change the killer's behaviour.

Investigators have been working hard and Oakes says in his 30 years of policing "this ranks up at the top."

The enthusiasm and dedication investigators are putting into the case are just exceptional, he said.

"That applies to the majority of cases that our officers are investigating," he added.

Following the alleged second attack on a 20-year-old woman last Tuesday, additional investigators were called in and more than 40 of them worked on the two cases.




What a dirt bag. Wasting police time when there is a murderer on the loose who killed a child! Why not charge her? This is bad and really is the equivielent of screaming 'Fire' in a crowded market for it caused even more panic. Unless she is really mentally disturbed, they should have charged her. For some reason, prosecuters are not likely to prosecute people who report false crimes.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 05, 2008, 02:15:19 PM
Why not charge her? The police have gone even further and are insinuating that people are upset and may engage in viglantism against this woman, thus justifying the withholding of her identity and protecting her from public recognition.
Something smells and does not auger well for this case being solved!!

When a case starts out like this some reminders are in order for people providing information to the RCMP. err on the side of caution..

quote from http://mindytran.com/rcmpsanctionedkillers.htm (http://mindytran.com/rcmpsanctionedkillers.htm)

If you were an eye witness to an event:
Before speaking with the police, write out a witness statement in your own handwriting. Have it witnessed and notarized. Leave it with at least one trusted confidential contact in a secure location. The statement could also be left with someone in a sealed registered unopened envelope. Tell your contact not to speak about the statement or it's contents. Give your contact specific instructions on what to do with it, (go to media etc) should anything happen to you. If possible, take a lawyer or someone with you when providing a statement to Police. If the Police ask you if any one else knows about the information you are giving, let them know that there are others (besides your lawyer) who have copies of your statement. Warn those people to be aware and to take precautions themselves if required. Do not divulge who your contacts are (not even to your lawyer).  (this is not legal advice)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 05, 2008, 07:31:10 PM
good point Adrian; Maureen has copies of all the info. regarding Clayton's case hidden at several locations - sadly, that ran into a bit of money.  They actually had to buy a commercial copier 17 years ago, in order to make copies of everything and send it to other areas for safe keeping for reasons as you suggest.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: aunty jay on October 05, 2008, 07:56:28 PM
Why do people think it is helpful to report inacurate or misleading information to police when something bad happens instead of looking for Emily's killer they were looking for a man in the area who may or may not still be there.  Other communities who should have been on the alert for this man or woman, are not because they think they are still in the Edson area because of the second attack which did not happen.  She should be charged especially if another person is attacked close by that she got in the way of stopping this person.  My thoughts go out to Emily's family and friends.  I know Edson is a very small community and Everyone is probably connected to her family some
way.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 06, 2008, 12:11:16 PM
Before I even heard the news on here today that the attack of the second female was, I thought a phoney complaint. So my thoughts were correct, I felt that this woman wanted attention, imagine what a sick human being to do this. My thoughts and prayers go out to Emily Stauffer's family at this tragedy. I am with some of you guys on here, I believe that she knew her killer and she recognized him. Those boys that saw the attack should have done something, especially where they were there, they could have saved her life. I don't know how old they were, but I think they will definitely remember this. I have no idea of how large Ebson is. Like you say, she may have planned to meet him or he knew she walked these trails. I don't know where these girls get all the nerve, I definitely would not walk in any woods without another individual, possibly my dad or my brother or two close friends. Nobody ever knows who is out there. I felt that the second complaint was a phoney, because who in their right minds would go for a walk in the woods when just a couple of days before someone was murdered. I don't think the attack was random, I think someone knew her movements and may not live only a couple of blocks from her, right in the same area. I sure hope that the police are hot on the clues for this case and solve it quickly. Maybe the boys could be hypnotized to see if they remember anything, just a though.  I have no idea how old they are. Condolences to Emily's family, once again. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 06, 2008, 12:46:53 PM
Edson is a small town Cape, only about 8,000 residents I think. I just keep wondering when people are going to realize that just because something hasn't happened yet in their community, doesn't mean it won't. I also would not walk alone, however we have a beautiful river front trail system in our community and it is visible at some points if you are on the highway. As I am driving past I often see women alone and I just shake my head. We have yet to have anything happen on the trail but I would never take a chance. We do have missing and unsolved murders in our small city too. I was shocked the first day that I read about Emily's murder and the account said that someone was not allowing their daughter to walk her dog there until a suspect was in custody. As if I would ever allow my daughter to go there alone again. This should serve as a wakeup call to all of us. I often hear people complaining on the news about a registered sex offender that is moving into the area. Do people think that is the only threat? We should be vigilant in watching our children wether we know a sex offender lives next door or not. We should also be talking to our children about it so that they can learn to be aware of the risks and we should be aware for our own safety too.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 06, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
This is shaping up to be a really strange case. A young girl is murdered yet there is no sign of sexual assault or similar motive. Another woman reports a phoney description of a suspect at a critical time in the investigation. The police are sidetracked from the original suspect, a person of interest was being sought driving an off road type quad. Where did he go? How hard is it to follow tracks from one of these? As time goes on the prospects for a quick arrest are disappearing rapidly.

Who knows if this second attack was really even reported by this woman and if it were, did someone put her up to it?

There are others on this site who have experienced obstruction in their own personal quests for justice, most did not recognize it for what it was until it was too late. If they had the chance to start over what would they suggest or have done differently?

!) Don't trust the police with everything! Request that people providing information to the RCMP also disclose the same to an independent source for collection.

Others may have more suggestions.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 06, 2008, 03:04:43 PM
Di and Debbie, both really good comments on this case. Nobody should ever walk alone in an isolated wooded area, even though it looks so serene and beautiful, because all people are not serene and beautiful either. What is with this woman with the phoney complaint. Do you suppose she tried to take some light off the murder of Emily and may know someone involved with the case. If the suspect was on a four wheeler, how far do they usually travel on these rigs. Can they get the registration of every four wheeler vehicle in a let's say 100 miles radius. Of course, they use trailers and take these off of trucks and then go through the woods. Are there any cases of assault in other counties close to this region that happened in a wooded area, even break-ins of cottages or hunting lodges in the area. Hope the police keep on this and get things going quickly here.  I am with you guys for sure, another police department should be involved, the RCMP forensics and private detectives in homicide also.  They should have a professional profiler do a file on what kind of a person they think would do a crime like this. Maybe her computer should be confiscated and searched for information, in case she was online. Hoping again that some real valuable clues come up and this is solved real soon. Thoughts and prayers to the Stauffer family, once again.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on October 06, 2008, 03:57:49 PM
The problem is every other person has an ATV in that area. You can go a long way on them, plus it is hunting season so everyone who has an ATV and hunts has theirs out hunting. Not everyone registers them like they are supposed to do. It is a huge fine if you're on crown land or a public road to use one without it being properly registered and insured. However, some people like farmers and ranchers use theirs only on their land and don't register them and don't have to. There are a lot of ranchers in that area of the province as well. Plus it is primarily bush country and easy to be lost if you don't want to be found. I live in a city that has a beautiful trail that is bush surrounding most of it, some of it is quite remote in spots. I refuse to walk it alone or even with another female. When I would go running on the trails with company I packed dog spray. In fact I pack it anytime I go out walking. It is shame that places like these are out there and are very beautiful and it would be nice to enjoy them more but it is never a good idea to put yourself out there in a situation that you know could be questionable. It seems if you have any reservations you should listen to that voice inside you and make alternate plans.

To any woman out there, there is a book I read a while ago that was very helpful from a personal safety stand point. It does not discuss self defense or carrying of any kind of weapon but it does tell you how to use your own experiences to see situations coming before they become critical. The title of the book is The Gift of Fear written by Gavin de Becker. I lent it out so unfortunately I don't know who published it. I found it insightful and certainly makes me think more about my surroundings when I am out.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 07, 2008, 12:19:44 AM
Edson is also on a major highway that goes across the country. The person who did this may very well not even be in the community. THere have been numerous attacks in Hinton and Edson over the years. A elderly woman appears to have been abducted and never seen again in this area about 2 years ago.

But again, I do think this girl knew her attacker and I do believe it wll be solved very soon. Those boys who came across this could also be consider POI until there stories match perfectly, but chances are, this girl was targeted specifically.

I am not sure if I am being objective, or if I just fear the alternative. That this was a random act.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 07, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
How accurate are these boys?  We don't know exactly what they stated.
How much of an altercation was there with her attacker??
Perhaps he was going to rape her and she kicked him between the legs and he killed her in temper instead?  Perhaps he just demanded money or whatever jewellery she had on - and maybe, being in good shape, she tried to resist and get away... again perhaps hitting him where it hurt .... resulting in his rage and killing her??? we don't have any real facts.  Maybe she wasn't that timid...at least this time?  I know if I thought I was going to be assaulted and killed, all timid would go out the window....first thing I'd try to take out is his eyes.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on October 07, 2008, 11:21:02 AM
Is this a sketch of the suspect in Emily's murder or the second phoney attack?

From what I understand it is a sketch of a Person of Interest in Emily's murder.  The article that I got the sketch from was before the second attack was announced.

CraftyGal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 07, 2008, 01:00:39 PM
I agree with you Chris, the boys should be considered POI's, I had thought about that too. They could know the person involved in this, they could very well know who is involved in this crime and they could have collaborated to attack this girl and set it up that they would do the informing like they were innocent. Why would they not scream and in numbers possibly could have helped her. I am apt to think that there is some information here that has not come forward, there is a few twists and turns and that maybe why nobody has been arrested as yet. Another wait and see, I guess. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 07, 2008, 01:16:55 PM
This sketch should be of the guy who left on the quad then. Seeing as he has apparently not come forward on his own and has never been found, one can assume that he is more than just a person of interest?

Re: Emily not sexually assaulted. Good explanation ling. This could well be the difference between premeditated murder and some other motive gone wrong. I don't know to many rapists personally, but I have not heard of too many being detered from their mission by a victim putting up resistance especially in an isolated location. I could see him hitting her back immediately after a kick or something but to go immediately to murder so quickly instead of just subduing her and continuing is a little strange. He had apparently already began to murder Emily before the boys came across him and apparently did not stop even then. It is unknown whether he was alerted to the boys presence or not.

IMO, there seems to be some degree of personal rage directed at Emily for some unknown reason. Neither rape nor robbery fits 100% for a motive at least with the information currently available..

Chris LIng and CG have pointed out that we do not really know anything about the "boys". Who were they, how old, what actually did they see, did they yell or try to scare him off... etc.  We have seen other recent attacks on young people by groups of youths acting together. Do these "boys" and the woman providing the phoney suspect description have any common connections? However seeing as these boys were the only witnesses as far as we know, it would be unusual for them to draw attention to themselves in this manner if they were involved.


Almost sounds like others are saying that Emily may have been targetted and may have known her attacker. The surrounding events are getting a little too strange for standard explanations.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 07, 2008, 02:26:59 PM

From 1st post:

Police said two youngsters came upon the attack, which occurred near Willshire Estates and Old Tiffin, and raced to a nearby home for assistance.

After emergency crews tried reviving the girl, she was taken to Edson hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

Police believe the suspect might have fled the area on an ATV vehicle or another mode of transportation.
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Upon first reading this, I had the feeling that the term "youngsters", were that they were under about 10 years old.

They came upon the attack: to me, meant they witnessed the man attacking Emily.

They saw an ATV somewhere, and was able to give a description of the man attacking.

I do think that Emily may have known her attacker, but it gives me pause, as the youngsters, didn't know him. But you never know in a crisis, things happen fast, and the perp hightailed it.
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Often the police don't let out if a person was sexually assaulted, as I know the slayings of the serial killer, here in Edmonton, Kare never released that information. Information came out at trials usually.Also cause of death was not let out. Ex: asphyxiation, stabbing, or the many ways to kill someone.
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I think if people in the town had a feasable suspect, the police are watching him, or looking for him.Also if it was random, the perp may have struck before, or will again. Just some thoughts...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 07, 2008, 03:44:05 PM
Is there actually any proof that there was a quad?  I think if the guy was in fact on a quad I would be more likely to think that he was local or from somewhere not too far away. It just seems unlikely to me that someone would come from a farther away location and maybe have to haul their quad in the back of a truck. I don't know about hunters in that area, here they are out in full force and a lot of them arrive in town with quads loaded in the backs of trucks. If he came into town from somewhere else he would have to risk the truck being seen and maybe the licence plate. That would make me think that it would be more spur of the moment when he came upon Emily. I have kind of thought from the beginning that it is someone local who may have known that she walked on that trail or even someone she knew.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 07, 2008, 07:26:48 PM
Good point about the sexual assault not being reported. Following that thought about local involvement though, who did Emily know who knew she walked this area? Had some pervert developed a fixation on her? There would be signs. I'd have a good look around in that church she attended, anyone missing? Someone with a quad? Who amongst those that Emily knew, could have had some perverted motive for all that rage and anger let loose on her? If Emily's killer were a local, someone in a small town like this would know the answers!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 08, 2008, 02:09:11 AM


You know, one of my first thoughts, were of a  person from her fathers congregation!  If indeed it was a fellow fixated on her, or who she turned down.
I wonder also about the quad. There seems to be a lot of preperation, and and an easy way of getting caught.Plus are there tiretracks? Anywhere?

I'm not sure what to think yet, am still wrapping my head around it. It seems also impulsive, random, but I can't figure why.A beautiful young child, so full of life, and talents, a great daughter, loving family.

What the hay was the motive?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 08, 2008, 02:30:07 PM
re: person from congregation. speculation of course but, I'm sure something the police should be checking into. If so, someone would have noticed that person's attention directed on Emily.

Emily looks like a very sweet and trusting girl, almost a throwback to a previous time. she does not appear like a modern teen "street wise" or caught up in any teen type trouble. She was only 14 but as with many of todays kids physically well developed as a woman. That "sweet innocent" combination in itself could have been the attraction for the killer if he knew her, and possibly became motive if Emily refused his advances.

What kind of guy would this be? Maybe he is sitting there in the congregation! Too old for Emily, embittered by a previous relationship in which his partner had strayed from and escaped from under his control. Maybe he attended church seeking a sweet but nieve "woman" who would not see through his front or spot his abnormalities like his last. There arn't many women left like that anymore, so he focused on Emily, too young to know the difference, and the twisted fixation began?

Maybe he was such a freak that he never had a girlfriend before and had hopes that Emily, sweet Emily, would not treat him like the others and would be his first. He himself had likely stalled emotionally as a teen and never developed attractions that grew with his own age.


The rope, symbolic of a control freak, a personal,  up close, rage or vengeance driven, apparatus. This is what Emily's killer brought with him on that day. Reminiscent of how sixteen year old Barbara Stoppel was murdered in Winnipeg years ago. She had refused the advances of her admirer, a psycho named Terry Arnold.
see Barbara Stoppel- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,114.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,114.0.html)
see Terry arnold- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2167.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2167.0.html)

If a quad were involved, there would be tracks leaving from the scene of the crime. They could have been followed at least for some distance and in a general direction.
The quad seems to be speculative on the part of the RCMP to explain how the killer got away so fast. Maybe he never got away, maybe he lives right there!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 08, 2008, 08:01:41 PM
I was thinking someone at her church too. I think she specifically was the target, not random.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 09, 2008, 01:20:55 PM


Yes, The use of the rope, is up close and personal, as it gets. The rope was bloody. We don't know what caused the blood, but I say the police are trying to find matches , to the same type of killing. I wonder if the perps DNA is on it? Would be nice to know that Emily nailed him hard BTW the eyes, and maybe scratched, clawed him.

Some kind of beating, would cause blood. This is getting more and more nasty.I wonder if there is a time frame, of the account of this slaying.

Another thing just popped in my head: if there was blood, then that dog should of smelled it. Plus the panic , and fear, and noise.The owner of the house near by, said he doesn't understand why his dog stayed silent. I wonder too. The perp could of jumped outa the bushes, from behind, startling Emily. Was there any screaming? This is a strange one.

I hope they check for all offenders not only in the Edson area, but all the towns, around, and if method, was similar to any previous killings, in Alberta.
I agree if someone was obsessed with Emily, then they may have noticed. This type of guy tho', can be very careful. I wonder if she confided in any of her friends, about some jerk, who was intimidating her, or scaring her.

Emily, my dear, I hope you are well in the arms of the Creator, I know you are. Let us hope some kind of closure comes soon for all family and friends.

To the perp, do you think you can hide forever? You came close to getting caught, hope you keep looking over your shoulder, and jump at each siren, or car honk, or any cop car driving near you!!!!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 10, 2008, 01:30:54 AM
I doubt this guy gets away with it.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 10, 2008, 09:49:25 AM
Killer still out there:

By TAMAS VIRAG, SUN MEDIA
   

Nearly two weeks after 14-year-old Emily Stauffer was killed in broad daylight in the small town of Edson, police seem to be no closer to catching her killer.

"Everything is status quo with Edson. They're just continuing to follow up on tips," said RCMP spokesman Doris Stapleton from Edmonton's K-Division headquarters. "Nothing new."

She said she could not comment on whether police are following any meaningful leads or if they are looking at lists of longtime offenders in the area who may have been involved.

In the meantime, Pastor Terry Stauffer, the victim's father, published a blog entry on Wednesday night.

The entry is one of the few since his daughter's mysterious slaying.

In it, he says the "steady stream of people calling and visiting" him, his wife Juanita and the rest of his family has helped buoy their spirits.

But, between the lines of praising God, Stauffer shares his grief.

"My thoughts have been swirling and sometimes I don't know what to think or pray," he wrote in his blog

Later he added, "Some people have commented on our strength, but Juanita and I have never been more conscious of our weakness and fragility."

He goes on to say that books like J.I Packer's Knowing God, and music by Sovereign Grace Music have been much comfort to him in this time of mourning, "particularly in the middle of the night."

Emily Stauffer was killed while walking on a wooded path just before 5 p.m. Sept. 27. Her killer is described as a white man, about five-foot-nine and 30 years old with brown hair. He was seen wearing a blue jacket and blue jeans at the time of the attack.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 11, 2008, 02:46:16 PM
Re Adrian said:" I agree if someone was obsessed with Emily, then they may have noticed. This type of guy tho', can be very careful. I wonder if she confided in any of her friends, about some jerk, who was intimidating her, or scaring her."

If the killer and Emily did indeed know each other, and the motive for the murder had to do with that realtionship, he should be able to be caught. There would have been some sort of grooming process going on long before he progressed to murder. Someone and maybe even a lot of people should have recognized that and would know the identity of the prime suspect. Maybe the Police are just waiting on DNA tests? How long does that process take?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 13, 2008, 02:17:47 AM


Hate to say this D1, but DNA takes a while. Perhaps they can up the time, but there are many DNA's being looked at.Since this is so fresh, it may be easier, I don't know. I hope they can fast track it, in case this person has done this before, or will again. I am guessing 3,4 weeks? Longer if more tests needed.

It could possibly be random, and the quad, a distraction. The youngsters remembered seeing a quad somewhere. It may mean nothing related to the slaying. What gets me is the boys got close enough to see a bloody rope, and the attack, on Emily. What a traumatic experience, for them.

D1:  re: person from congregation. speculation of course but, I'm sure something the police should be checking into. If so, someone would have noticed that person's attention directed on Emily.

From personal experience, I knew a man, who hid his obsession well.when others were around, but when alone, could absolutely terrorize me with a stare. With Emily I believe there would be distance, and she may not have even been aware of it.She was young, and beautiful, slowly turning into a woman. But she was still a child.

Lets hope that she spoke freely to her friends. She was used to walking the trails, and I bet someone was hiding, in wait for a young girl. It was Emily who walked by.If he was obsessed with her, he may have asked her to meet him. BUT she seems the type that would tell someone where she was going, and who she was meeting.

I hope the police, have gone over that area, with a fine tooth comb.I hope they spoke to all family and friends, and aquaintances she may have run into, like at the stores, sports, music, anywhere. Unless it was random, the killer is still there, hiding, but blending in as usual.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 13, 2008, 01:08:00 PM
You would think if there was DNA that the police would fast track the testing due to the nature of this murder and the fact that he is still at large and possibly living right in the area. The whole town is living in a state of fear. It's been a couple of weeks now and there seems to be little progress.

If Emily had been stalked and her killer waited in the bushes, specifically for her, even if she were unaware of this guy or his intentions, he would still be known from within the group of people Emily would have come in contact with. He is older so not likely from among school type friends. The church she attended seems the next most likely place.

The description left by Adrian of how the guy would act and blend in could well be what is going on. That's a scary thought, a killer sitting right there acting as usual. I think there is a word for someone exhibiting this trait, a sociapath? Are there other tell tale signs or indicators exhibited by someone like this?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on October 13, 2008, 01:39:10 PM
I'm thinking the police are close to a break on this case. Everytime I see this thread in the unread I come in and think ok good an arrest has been made. Don't ask me why, it's just a feeling.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 13, 2008, 02:04:24 PM


In deed it would, as the traits of a sociopath, or psychopath.
Going by ear here, but these people, pretend a loy, manipulate others very well, They also have to learn the ART of mimicry, so to show the same emotions.
They can come across as charming, glib, friendly, are likeable people: Untill they are caught.They have no consciens(sp)

They are also CEO's, as well as leaders that have these traits. Not all are serial offenders, or killers. Surely in a small town, words spread fast.

If indeed this jerk is a sociopath, then we are in trouble, as they can charm, they are liars, and think only of themselves.

Gotta get till tonight, thanks, for your insight. :)

Dearest Emily, I know you are softly being hugged, in the arms of the Creator. This sick man will be caught,,, :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 13, 2008, 03:59:37 PM
I have never read of the official cause of death; if she was strangled, where did the blood on this rope come from.... if not from her?  a previous victim?  we don't know very much about this death, except that the killer was "spooked" , supposedly by witnesses, which means that his intent may have changed - ergo the m.o. - if he has done this before - does not actually reflect the killer.  --just a thought!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 13, 2008, 09:37:47 PM
I wondered some of the same.I never heard the actual cause of death either but if the rope were thinner more like twine, the blood on the rope may explain itself.  Whether the killer was interupted from another motive or if murder was the motive right from the start, we have little to go on other than the kids whom I believe said Emily was being strangled when they came across her. The killer had not yet been spooked into changing his original intent as far as we know and did not seem to deviate from murder alone after being seen. Maybe something else was planned but I am out of idea's and necrophilia is way beyond my comprehension.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 14, 2008, 02:22:14 PM
I wasn't aware of how Emily died, it must have been very violent if a rope was used. This person actually had set out to harm her then and there had to be some form of premeditation.  I wonder if this person had laid in wait for her then, it seems likely if he was in possession of rope or twine. He might have had thoughts of assaulting her sexually and then when others came on the scene things did not work out the way he wanted them to. I do hope that the police are doing a fine tooth comb search and trying to find out who this violent individual is. Was it a thrill kill or was he someone who knew her.  It sounds to me like he was watching her and knew who she was. I think on premeditation at this time. Just my thoughts. Prayers again to the Stauffer family.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 14, 2008, 08:33:25 PM
This is the point we have all been beating around the bush about. Was Emily's killer there originally for rape or murder? We don't have a lot of information to go on, but the one piece that became public was the boys coming upon him in the act. This was as much as the cops had to go on at the time too. They would have thought this part through already. The boys apparently showed up while the killer was in the act of strangling Emily with the rope. At this point even if his intention was rape and he was merely "subduing her" at the time, he progressed to murder. I don't quite know why I think this but, I believe that if the motive was rape, he (the killer) would have run right then and Emily may have survived. The exception being, if Emily knew her killer and could identify him. We're back to the same place.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on October 14, 2008, 08:48:10 PM
Anyone know how old roughly the two boys were that came upon the scene?  Not that there is anything to indicate that they were involved and they most likely were not involved. And, further the police have indicated today to the media that there is a second male they are trying to locate who is 'not a suspect' rather a POI, he being someone who frequently walked the trails in that area. However my thoughts have occasionally gone back to the two boys. Pending their ages, of course. Does anyone recall in England I think it was 10 years ago or more where two boys I think were 9 years old or so led a 3 year old away from a train station (something like that) and assaulted and killed the toddler. It was shocking.Is it possible that if the boys were old enough and thought that together they could pull something off. Maybe never intended to kill or anything but to scare a teenage girl, maybe one they had a fascination with. Had the rope or twine and together were able to pull something off.............I know it is unlikely but we do know that the boys wereon the trail when it happened and left immediately to get help. If the boys were under 10 I would think it would be very unlikely but over 10,maybe. Who know?

It seems to me that most crimes involving strangers (male) and victimes (female) it appears to be sexually motivated. I would think this stranger would have attempted to abduct this poor child away from that area, back into the bush to complete his agenda. Had it been just a murder, by a stranger, it seems a bit odd. Had it been someone she knew, either it was someone who was angry. Perhaps she declined a relationship or something and enraged this person,but again I would have to think the lack of sexuality in the crime is off from this kind of scenario. JMO.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 14, 2008, 09:25:20 PM
Never say Never, Haunted. Brainstorming is a good thing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 14, 2008, 09:44:25 PM
Press the following link, and there is another picture of a POI, they want to talk to.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/10/14/7079351.html

Also in earlier reports, the boys were described as youngsters. That to me, is under about 10, years old. Any way when you see a pic of the person, he should be recognized IF he was from there.

Going thru a gut hunch, I think this was a sex crime, was intended to be, and the killing happened when he heard the boys coming.One thing that really bugs me, is why didn't he take her into the thick of the bush? I also think she would fight back, hard, unless he snuck up on her.

I hope all her friends open up, as they may know something, they think is just coincidental.Too bad they couldn't DNA or have the POI take a polygraph, and anyone, in his age range, that has a resemblance to the picture.

PS Yes I recall what happened in England with the two boys, about 8,9, who abducted and beat to death a young child, a toddler, about 3 years old. They did it for kicks! >:(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 14, 2008, 09:55:43 PM
James Bulgar and his little buddy Simon?. There are some strange "boys".  Apparently the boys here turned themselves in though, there were no other witnesses, if they were involved, why would they implicate themselves for no reason? If that is accepted, then, If killer was there originally for rape, I tend to think that he would not progress this far into murder before attempting rape. Why was she not hauled off the trail? If he had been startled and scared off from initiating rape, why hang around any longer to finish with murder? Emily knew him?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on October 14, 2008, 10:06:52 PM
If he wanted to rape her, I agree,she would have been promptly removed from the trail. It was daylight on a popular public trail and likely someone would come along.

You know you hear about those kind of guys who think about a girl and actually think they are in a relationship with her when there is nothing there at all and when the girl does say something to make it clear the guy goes off the deep end. The girl doesn't think too much of it because she doesn't really get how much the obsessed about her. Seems like no big deal to the girl but to the guy who is not completely right to begin with and has no selfesteem and is delusional it seems like a huge blow to his ego and he's going to teach her a lesson OR if she seems to be displaying interest in someone else then 'if I can't have you, no one else can either'.

I know this is weird brainstorming too because it has always been reported and talked about a guy but you know girls have been commiting more violent crimes against other girls nowadays. The lack of sexuality could have been another female involved who was trying to settle a score or getback at her for stealing a boyfriend or something like that. Remote I know and given what the youngster supposedly saw, a male leaving it should eliminate that kind of scenario, but in the art of brainstorming I thought I would throw that out there.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 14, 2008, 10:22:14 PM
That was pretty good haunted, I never even thought of the possibility it could be a female killer, but that is one of the few explanations which could explain the murder of a young woman without an apparent sexual motive.

The first explanation seems  to fit more though. Guy goes off deep end. Guy was not likely there for a casual introductory chat. He brought the rope for the occaision. If he were ticked off, it had to do with an earlier encounter. I still think he knew her or had run into her out there before. He came with bad intentions and rope.

 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2008, 01:22:46 AM
Wasn't this crimes witenessed by some boys?

I like the fresh ideas, in 2008 anything can happen. It will be interesting to learn what the motive was in this, and I am still wondering about those boys who claimed to have seen this happen or came across it.

For all we know, this could have been some youtube wanna bes who went to far in something.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 15, 2008, 11:37:25 AM


This is the link I put up showing the new pic of a POI. I don't know how to put on here. You have to click it.


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/10/14/7079351.html

Thanks, and I doubt this is random, but we never know.The town is not tat big, and someone looking like the sketches shown should already be at the cop shop.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2008, 12:37:45 PM
You'd think this person should be found soon. I am not sure if this is a POI or not, they said they just want to talk to him. Maybe to rule himn out? Must mean the police have no suspects yet except maybe this person.

(http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/10/14/rcmp_sketch1.jpg)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 15, 2008, 02:18:17 PM


I know Chris, they are fishing. This sketch must have come by the kids, or the other one did. They are looking at people who were used to using that trail, or have been using it lately.The town has come together in trying to find out the SOB who killed Emily. I imagine they are already questionning people, who may be a consideration.

Like this pic may be of a frequent user of the trail, and they want to see if he knew of any strangers, or anyone also using it, to be questionned.

I do hope they are also looking at other towns near by.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 15, 2008, 02:48:13 PM
So that makes two POI , two different descriptions, two sketches, neither "POI" came forward on their own, and neither has been found since. HMM
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 15, 2008, 09:28:08 PM
So that makes two POI , two different descriptions, two sketches, neither "POI" came forward on their own, and neither has been found since. HMM

Very good point. I wonder if these descriptoins come from the boys who saw the attack? If so, it makes me wonder.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 16, 2008, 01:37:36 AM


I just got this weird idea.What if she was going to be abducted? The boys came along, and one killed her. Crazy idea, but was their a van around or vehicle ATV. One could of been waiting.

I wish they would say how old those kids were! And who is the new pic from; another observer. I hope for all of Emilie's Family and friends that this ends soon.A young girl, having someone do that to her. :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 16, 2008, 09:46:23 AM
Adrian; that's a good point. 
-Some of us were thinking personal vendetta resulting from a possible fixation+rejection. (could have intended forcing himself on her in hope of her returning the attraction, and it turned ugly, especially once spooked by witnesses)
-Some of us were thinking an isolated incident with the killer intending "rape" -perhaps even hoping to leave it at that, but she freaked, - then witness kids- so quick decision to kill prime witness.
-Some of us thinking an accomplish near by - possible vehicle in waiting, for obduction -then kids pop up - so kill witness and run.
- The posting today by Shwa of a woman and her daughter in Ontario being raped/murdered (and the related article/s) drew my attention to the mo of that person carrying a rope - then committing rape and stranglelation with the rope. - what a co-incidence! this guy's mo just like what happened to Emily.
So that leads me to believe Emily's death could be an isolated incident with the mo being rape and strangleation (but still have to figure out why the rape didn't occur, since he was already strangling the girl when the two boys happened along.)
- one more observation I made was: if the crime was not isolated with the mo of murder/strangleation, if it was in fact personal, or a first time killer, there's one common conception for me in those first theories;  if he decided for whatever reason, not to rape, example: she was too much trouble - a fighter, (we don't know if she kicked, clawed and scratched) or example: observed she was on her monthy cycle (we don't know if her clothes were half pulled apart?)
regardless - one can't help but think, he may have had to kill her because she KNEW HIM, where maybe the boys would not - and he may have had that bloody twine with him from something else (like from an animal snare -often take a bloody twine off the snared rabbits) we don't know if it was her blood.
--- the one thing that really bothers me today is that posting by Shwa - where the guy killed first and raped second.... and carried a rope on him.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 16, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
Excellent summary of possibilities Ling. As you said that one little detail is troubling.
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(but still have to figure out why the rape didn't occur, since he was already strangling the girl when the two boys happened along.)

That other Ontario case you mention is so sick it defies comprehension. In this case, the killer stayed around long enough to complete the murder after being seen. He did not run right away, but he did not stay long enough to do anything else. In some ways I interpreted this, "or hoped," that the killer was someone Emily knew for that should have been much easier to solve and stop the killer before he could do this again. I still question whether Emily knew her attacker or if she were a random victim, but can't get around that the killer carried on with murder after being seen by the "boys". I find that unusual and indicative that Emily knew him but the boys would not. If it were random, the boys were as much witnesses as Emily and there fore the necessiity to silence the first witness should have been negated right then by others seeing the same. IMO He would have just run right then if it were a random attack..

Recent suggestions do indicate other possibilities, one way beyond my comprehension, and as noted we have very little information to get any further.. How old were these "boys"? What did they really see, were one or two persons involved? Lots of questions, very few answers.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 16, 2008, 05:34:00 PM
D1; I actually meant that perhaps Emily knew or would recognize the guy - and this, he was sure of; whereas, the two boys may have been strangers to this guy, so he could assume they couldn't identify him.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 16, 2008, 07:41:38 PM
And I completely agree with that given the evidence we have to date.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 17, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
I think about this case and it doesn't add up. He was there to kill her, because of the rope. The boys, I am like Chris, I would have to question them again. Did they know the killer and were they in on it, but just went to tell the story and get help. If there were two, WHY DID THEY NOT HELP HER. Most of the time boys will look for a chance to tangle with somebody, I don't know.  If there was one of them, maybe he wouldn't, but I have heard many stories about young men who have helped others in situations. Two different POI's and these must have been taken from these two boys. Lets go back to those two boys and have them requestioned, possibly hypnotized, if possible. Something is not right. Chris, I am with you, I would go to square one again with these boys. Did they know the other person???? And I believe murder was on the man's mind, thrill kill or whatever, rape may not have been on his mind at all, just to harm this girl and make a name for himself on the news. I'll make a bet these boys know more, that's the way I see it. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 17, 2008, 02:05:40 PM
Something sure does not add up with this. The boys are the key to what is going on. Until we know more, like their ages, It is extremely hard to even speculate any further. All of the previous assumptions were based on believing either what the boys said they saw or what the police claim the boys said they saw. Now we have two unidentified POI, neither found and there is still the strange woman who sidetracked the investigation early on at a critical time. Something smells but what is it?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 18, 2008, 12:28:53 AM
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Something smells but what is it?

I agree. And I have read numerous cases and it always ends up these weird ones with no solid leads, the last person(s) to see the victim is the killer. I'm still finding it odd that 2 boys saw this happen.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 18, 2008, 12:40:13 AM


Just about every town, has a small or large population of guys, and gals, who like to drink in the open. Maybe the gal who got scared, ran into someone like this. They may have said something to her, and it scared her.

The killing of Emily has me confused, as I am still wavering BTW random, as well as local. Also I wish , the media would say the ages of the boys, who witnessed either the attack, or aftermath.

WE seem to be growing a trend of thrill kills, and it is disturbing to say the least.People are being shanked for just about everything, or just because. It sickens me. Emily was probably killed as she knew her killer. Maybe he didn't have time to get her in the brush.As I believe "sweet Emily", who haunted said, could be the allure of child/adult., and someone became obsessed.

I hope this is solved soon. The second picture, looks like a guy in his twenties, with a worried face.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 20, 2008, 11:33:48 AM
25 years ago, another child went missing:::
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/10/20/pf-7141346.html

By KEVIN CRUSH, SUN MEDIA
   
Click here to find out more!

The recent killing of an Edson teen brings back horrible memories for a mom whose 16-year-old daughter went missing in the nearby Hinton area 25 years ago.

"It's very sad that these guys are not getting caught. They're just doing it over and over and getting away with it," said Muriel Bacsu.

Her daughter, Shelly Anne Bacsu, was last seen walking down Highway 16 near her Hinton home on May 3, 1983.

Articles of her clothing were later found near the Athabasca River, leading police to believe foul play was involved.

When Bacsu heard about the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer on Sept. 27 in Edson as she walked along a trail, Bacsu's heart went out to the girl's parents.

"Her parents are like us. They'll never see her graduate. They'll never see her marry. They'll never see her become a mother," said Bacsu.

"They'll never see any of those moments because somebody chose to take them, and who has a right to do that?"

Bacsu said she follows cases like that of killers Robert Pickton or Thomas Svekla.

In those court cases, the victims were involved in prostitution but Bacsu said killers may not only target street women.

In northern British Columbia, the RCMP list 18 - and some fear the number could be closer to 34 - women of all walks of life who have gone missing along the so-called Highway of Tears.

Bacsu believes whoever might have harmed her daughter was from the Hinton area at some point and likely knew the area.

There has been no information on Shelly Anne's disappearance and until this summer Bacsu hadn't heard from the RCMP in 15 years.

Three months ago, police contacted her for DNA samples. They told her it was just to keep the samples on file in case a match was ever found.

While a quarter-century has passed, Bacsu still believes she will one day find Shelly Anne alive or at least find out what happened to her.

"My greatest hope is that I don't have to go to my grave not knowing what happened to my daughter," she said.

"I do believe the Lord will let us know when the time is right."

Meanwhile, police are still trying to track down Stauffer's killer. They have released sketches of two men they want to talk to but say they are not suspects.

The community is trying to help out, banding together to create a reward fund for information leading to the arrest of the killer of the Edson pastor's daughter. That fund has now surpassed $25,000 and continues to grow.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 22, 2008, 12:57:24 AM
Time ticks away... The latest POI has not been located. Maybe he's shaved his head now? By the looks of the sketch, maybe he cut his own hair last time too. $25,000.00!!  Any bounty hunters out there? Maybe some rogue cop will step up and solve a crime for this kind of money.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2008, 04:03:26 AM
I do not believe this POI exsists. Just my opinion. I think this is a diversion.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 23, 2008, 11:37:13 AM
A lot of what has gone on with this murder appears to be a diversion. Why are the police facilitating that process?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 23, 2008, 12:19:47 PM
Hi! Was just checking the web concerning Emily Stauffer. I found this article, and others are there if link is clicked. Seems that Emily was Home Schooled, cutting the amount of people she would probably see every day.So for me, I am saying random, unless the killer is in a circle of her acquaintances.

Two boys, about 12 or 13, who reportedly witnessed the attack, ran to a nearby house to call 911, but help arrived too late. The girl was pronounced dead in hospital.Well, I wouldn't call 12, 13 youngsters, but they are kids. I hope these two boys are able to help in the capture of the beast. If they couldn't pin point anyone in their town, maybe it was random.

http://www.nationalpost.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=847907

EDSON, Alberta -- RCMP have released a composite sketch of a person of interest in the death of Emily Stauffer, a 14-year-old girl who was killed Saturday as she walked alone in this Alberta community.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes stressed Monday the person is not a suspect but someone police want to speak with.

Emily was attacked when she went for an evening walk down a path that runs close to a newer suburb on the northern edge of Edson, a town about 200 kilometres west of Edmonton, late Saturday afternoon.

Two boys, about 12 or 13, who reportedly witnessed the attack, ran to a nearby house to call 911, but help arrived too late. The girl was pronounced dead in hospital.

The young girl's death has touched many Albertans, including Premier Ed Stelmach.

"We don't know the circumstances here, what had happened, but this is one area where we're working," Mr. Stelmach told reporters Monday.

"We put additional resources into safe and secure communities, we're going to work with police chiefs to see how we can further assist them so we get rid of people who prey on young women."

While statistics indicate that crime rates are falling in many instances, that's not much comfort to the Emily's family, Mr. Stelmach said.

"The family is going through a very traumatic experience, a very tragic event, losing a daughter in broad daylight," he said.

An Edson woman was organizing a vigil to be held Monday evening outside the Edson Baptist Church.

Organizer Alta Janish said she expected many people to attend.

"It's for the community to come together to show their support for the family," said Mr. Janish.

"It's very shocking," the mother of two young children said of the crime.

"I didn't know her, but our children are our resources and someone has taken one of ours away."

She said Emily's death has shaken the community to the core.

"None of the kids were able to walk to school this morning. They can't play in their backyards, it affects every age group."

Many of Emily's friends have been writing on a tribute wall set up this morning in her honour at Yellowhead Koinonia Christian School, where kindergarten to Grade 12 is taught.

Following the regular Monday morning assembly, principal Avery Stewart said he kept the older students back to give them time to share their memories, ask questions or just reflect.

"Because of the horrific nature of this, of course they're on edge, but the younger ones aren't fazed as much," he said.

"It's the students who are more her age, the ones she had interactions with, that are struggling with loss and anger."

Although she was home-schooled, Yellowhead Koinonia Christian School was Emily's base school.

A home-school co-ordinator visited Emily, who was in Grade 9 this year, at least three times during the school year to check on her progress and make sure her assignments were up to date, Mr. Stewart said.

This year, he said, Emily had talked about joining the girls' volleyball team.

At the end of the trail where Emily was attacked, a small memorial is slowly building at the base of a steel lamppost.

Tiny white bears and fresh flowers have been left behind. On a large yellow stuffed duck is a card that says, "Your are an angel, never forgotten."

Investigators continue to comb the trail where the attack took place.

Edmonton Journal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 23, 2008, 12:42:43 PM
Thanks Adrian, the boys ages have at least been released now along with a few more details.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 23, 2008, 07:46:59 PM
A lot of what has gone on with this murder appears to be a diversion. Why are the police facilitating that process?

Too make sure. If they did not do that, they will never know.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 23, 2008, 08:20:25 PM
I know they have to sometimes but it is a bit of a double edged sword. The woman that falsely claimed she had also been attacked, distracted and interfered at a critical time. We don't know who or what she was all about but if she was a known crazy for instance, (who else would do that) the police should not go public so quick. Now with two POI, neither found, no one's quite sure what's going on? Those were two fairly different descriptions and sketches. The town doesn't quite know what or who to look out for and fear levels are increased, a pair of killers on the loose! Makes one wonder what motive is behind publicizing the distractions? Cops baiting the guy providing the info into giving more to see if he'll hang himself?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 24, 2008, 05:59:20 PM
I was thinking about Emily being home schooled, which I did not know at first. She was not acquainted with most of her school mates in a close manner. Why was she being home schooled, did she have a disability or was it a wish of her parents. I don't believe in home schooling and feel that everyone should be with their peers and growing up with their friends. I never heard if she did have a computer or if she was online maybe trying to contact people to meet on the outside, since she was home schooled. Maybe the police have a hot trail on someone and they are watching them, it is really not even a month since Emily's murder and they have to be sure when they do arrest the person. I am of the view they probably have a few people in their sites right now and are watching them. Hope this is solved soon for the sake of the people in Edson, so they can rest easy and relax their guard.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on October 24, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
I wonder two things, if this has anything to do with being home schooled:

(1) while I assume home schooling is becoming more prevalent, it is still not the most common thing and I would think that it could make kids less able to 'fit in' so to speak with children in the area that attend the public school system. Could this play into a scenario where she was targetted by other kids maybe same age or older. Kids can be pretty awful to other kids and don't seem to need much of a reason if any to single someone out and make them become the target of bullying.

(2) If she was home schooled and being in a family that was fairly religious perhaps she was quite sheltered and naive for her age. (I am just posing this as a possibility, in reality my experience growing up was the kids who came from the most religious families tended to be the most 'experienced' in many ways). I am neither implying that Emily was sheltered and naive nor a bad apple but, if she lead a fairly sheltered life from outside experiences it is possibe that someone had been stalking her or engaging her in conversation here and there and she did not see it was possibly more than what it appeared on the surface.

I agree, too strange about the crazy lady crying wolf about the 2nd attack and with the kids being somewhat older than first mentioned it all makes me wonder.  Crimes have been known to have happened where the person who acts as a witness and gives a composite sketch, gave it to take the heat off of them, when he/she was really the one to commit the crime. And to be clear, I am only putting these out here as possibilities, not in any way as accusations.

I really appreciated the timeliness of Stelmach's statement in regard to this, perhaps it was made a few weeks later than it should have been.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 25, 2008, 01:10:31 AM
With the new information about Emily being home schooled and the "boys" from the neighborhood being the only witnesses to her daylight attack, new questions and possibilities arise. This is a small town and quite often in a small town you see the same people in the same area doing the same things time after time. You know the comings and goings and the usual schedule of events. The kids all have their usual meeting and playing spots where they all knew who the usual visitors were.

It would not have been unusual for the boys to have known or seen Emily around the area before. How well they knew each other and what was going on between them is unknown.
Boys will be boys.

The boys or at least one of them, obviously supplied the first sketch of the first POI. Maybe after the boys were separated to speak with the sketch artist, the other boy provided the sketch of the second POI.


Did the boys know or were they related to the woman who falsely claimed she was also attacked?

Did the boys have access to a quad?

Maybe this started out as something else which went horribly wrong?
Just speaking as a possibility, I'll admit, Haunted was way more diplomatic.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 25, 2008, 06:16:55 AM
Edson is sure being quiet! Too quiet, got my spidey senses going a tad. Don't mind me, I often brainstorm with myself. With the new info I encountered, I have been doing some thinking.

1. Quads, or All Terrain Vehicles:: No tire tracks? Other witnesses besides the boys? What color, where seen? Hidden? What was weather that day, or previous? Was ground hard, or muddy in some areas.

2, The police are too quiet on the woman who said she was accosted. Like just pretend it didn't happen, and take up valuable time. She was twenty. Who was she? Why was she not charged with mischief?? This is a murder investigation.  Was she friends, or relatives of the minors who supposedly witnessed the attack and ran.

3. Emily being home schooled cut a lot of ties, I imagine to others her age. Seems she was sociable tho, wanting to join volleyball. I wonder if she used her computer a lot? Did she plan to meet someone that day, she took to the trails? Home school worker went to her home about 3x's a school year.Clearly Emily was on her own a lot, I think.She may have also been lonely.

4. The church, and the congregation, are admittedly stunned at what has happened to Emily Stauffer? Were any talking to her over the internet?We all know people who go to church, just to look good for their position in Society. Think Dennis Rader.

5. Was the Stauffer family aware of all of Emilies activities? Remember when you were 14, did you tell your parents everything????? Emily was a beginner musician, the instrument escapes me now, as I am going by memory. She had to have contact, with music teacher, unless self taught, or maybe a boy who helped?

6.The "Youngsters"!!! 12, 13 years old is NOT a youngster, so why mis lead us?One of my own sons and his friend, at 12, and 13, were about 5'9, i60 pounds. They worked out. They were good looking, and constantly had adult women hitting on them! Never mind their peers. I am saying that now adays, kids this age are "Older" in thought and deed, than many of us here were., and that age. I will leave myself out of this one.I was already hitch hiking from Montreal to Toronto. :-[

The man whose home was not far from where Emily was found. He was surprised his dog didn't bark. So am I...

Reading over haunted, and D!'s posts, got me to thinking about the woman who cried wolf. For whose benefit?

The town of Edson, are, I hope , hypnotizing the kids who apparently came upon Emily's attacker. They may hold more clues.

Whether this slaying of a beautiful young lady, was done by a random killer; or a person from that area, I do hope the boys, are shown a lot of pictures, and can maybe find a connection. Also, that ALL Emilie's associates be questionned, and see if Emily Stauffer everbrought up, that she was seeing someone, had a crush, or was kinda freaked out about somebody. Girls talk to each other A LOT , usually, and at that age boys are usually the number one subject!.

One more thing: The boys came upon Emily as she was being attacked. She died at the hospital or on the way.What was the bloody rope for, and do the cops have it? In what manner did she die? If the boys had anything to do with this, why did they run for help??

I wonder how many lines are tapped in Edson? We haven't been told to look for any suspect.Maybe the police already "know" who did it, and are awaiting for the opportunity to arrest someone.

R I P Emily, you are in the Creator's arms now.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 25, 2008, 08:45:41 AM
all good points Adrian; add to those:
being home-school (segregated from others her age at the time when this kind of attitude definitely would be point to peers and others
- there would be jealousy from those who have less
- there would be "miss goody two shoes" attitude against her
- she was very attractive (perhaps just the right body/look to have some guy fixated on her) and there could have been some guy/man waiting in watch for her since this would be the only likely place to get their grubby paws on her.
- she was definitely too alone for this age, so maybe had some secret liasons with friends ( that would be a good reason to use that trail a lot - bet cops know more about this.
- and perhaps she wasn't rapped for one of two reasons
  1. there was no time (boys happened by before he had a chance to drag her of the path; therefore, since he killed her, he must have been worried about being id ed by her)
  2. maybe there was no intention of rape; maybe she was already trying to avoid something that had already been going on...maybe to the point where she had to be silenced.... we don't know if she already had signs of abuse.

I tell you Adrian, us brainstormers, if we had half the evidence and information+access to all information, that the police have, I believe there would be very few. if any, unsolved cases.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 25, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to think that because she was homeschooled she was isolated from her peers. I know a family that has home schooled four boys through their entire school years. Two have graduated and the other two are close. This family also attends a church, and most of the youth there attend a  youth group and also seem to hang out together a lot. So they do have contact with other kids. Maybe someone in Emily's own peer group was interested in her.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 25, 2008, 01:09:04 PM
Seems Emily was well rounded in her life. She participated with activities with others, rode horses, loved music, and seemed a cheerful gal, had sleep overs, she was NOT alone that much..

Click link for pic, and stories.

http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/calgary/story.html?id=87069ab9-71b5-4f96-8866-8eb6ae439d3b

'There was never a time when I saw her unhappy'
Friends say 14-year-old victim was deeply devout
 
Steve Lillebuen
The Edmonton Journal

Wednesday, October 01, 2008

Copy shot of Emily Stauffer from a school basketball team she played on in 2007.
CREDIT: SHAUGHN BUTTS/Edmonton Journal
Copy shot of Emily Stauffer from a school basketball team she played on in 2007.

EDMONTON - On a sunny August day, Emily Stauffer slung her camera around her shoulder and took a second glance at a stubborn horse named Barbie.

The 14-year-old was enrolled in a summer camp at Brightwood Ranch, west of Edmonton, where she spent four weeks learning horse-wrangling skills.

Her first impression of Barbie wasn't pleasant, said Jen Allan, 21, who taught Stauffer and the four other girls at the wrangler program this summer.

But Stauffer wasn't willing to give up on a horse with a sour attitude that bit and kicked, and rode Barbie that day through the rolling prairies, forming an uncommon bond.

"Here was this horse that no one wanted to take the time with, but Emily was willing to, and willing to work through all of Barbie's faults," Allan said. "She wasn't the greatest of horses, but Emily still really liked her."

When the program ended, Stauffer's inquisitive nature and her affection for everyone around her became a foundation of wonderful memories for Allan, who headed home to Manitoba.

Stauffer went home to Edson at the beginning of September. She wrote on her blog, titled "A Perfect Image," about the hundreds of pictures she had taken and how much fun she'd had at the ranch.

"We rode horses all day," she wrote. "It's a really good program."

It was her last blog entry.

On Saturday, Stauffer was attacked and killed while walking alone on a path in dense brush on the north side of her hometown, about 200 kilometres west of Edmonton.

Stauffer had an older brother and two younger sisters and was the daughter of Terry Stauffer, pastor at Edson's Baptist Church.

As a teenager, she dreamed of getting a degree in music and looked forward to one day getting married and having children.

She liked to play a game with one of her friends where they would find the longest words and try to spell them, Allan said.

Both Hannah Ferguson, 15, and her sister, Sarah-Jayne, 14, knew Stauffer since childhood, recalling their long-time friend as determined to succeed at everything she tried.

"Her middle name, Joy, definitely fit her because there was never a time when I saw her unhappy," Sarah-Jayne Ferguson wrote in an e-mail.

"She was loved by so many people ... There are wonderful memories we shared together and not one of them will be forgotten, whether it was playing basketball, quizzing, sleepovers or just hanging out together."

"Most importantly, Emily loved Jesus with all her heart," Hannah added.

Stauffer loved The Lord of the Rings and graphic design. She spent hours playing with Photoshop to alter images she had shot with the family's Nikon D40 digital camera, her friend Katherine wrote in another e-mail.

Her online photo gallery shows hundreds of images of colourful flowers, animals and snippets of a recent family vacation through San Francisco and the Grand Canyon.

Her funeral will be held Friday at the Yellowhead Koinonia Christian School in Edson, beginning at 11 a.m.

slillebuen@thejournal.canwest.com
? The Edmonton Journal 2008
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 25, 2008, 05:26:16 PM
you're right Adrian; she had tons going on.  When I was her age, I was second mom in our family....lucky to go skating in evenings all winter...we had pond....and early day swimming in summer. 
Emily had lots of connections it seems.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 25, 2008, 09:02:33 PM
As more info becomes known, a clearer picture does emerge. Emily had been away for a considerable period of time and had just returned in September. She was a young girl/woman away from home for the summer experiencing a whole other life from her norm. What went on over there and who she may have met opens up the field even further. It's no where near as simple as checking out the congregation at the church anymore.

The boys, if involved and lying should have been able to have been caught in a story by now. If involved one boy is likely being threatened into silence by the other.

The connections to the weird girl crying wolf should have been fully explored by now too. What was she thinking??

Neither POI found suggests that they either do not exist or both are hiding themselves for some reason. Two killers seems so improbable. Two different sketches from two boys who were supposed to have seen the same guy is problematic also.


Would like to know more about these boys, but they are under the witness classification for now and therefore no info will be released. We are stuck dealing with their story and trusting that their version of events is accurate for now. While we are waiting in the dark though, this discussion and process of elimination could bare fruits later on. Gotta look at everything.


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on October 25, 2008, 09:14:57 PM
All I can say, is living here on the Cape and in this part of the country, I don't ever remember of anyone being home schooled. Everybody has to go to work and the parents are darned glad to have the kids going to school, because they can't be there to look after them. Who in the heck is doing this home schooling. What are they using for money. I know usually they are religious groups that do this. I do believe this may have something to do with why Emily was murdered. She was sort of a protected person and people sometimes just want to take away that protection and like was indicated, be a bully to someone who should be in a "safe place". Lostlinganer, do you know of anyone being home schooled here, that is an extraordinary word in our part of the world, a word that doesn't exist here. I tend to believe Emily could have been targetted because of her being home schooled and being isolated. These are my views. I do believe also that because this is a quiet place and not a lot of crime that something has to know something. I truely pray that there is an arrest soon. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 25, 2008, 09:42:34 PM
You're right cape; that hit me too.  Around the maritimes, "home-schooled" would mean "upper class" too refined to mix with the locals. ... one would be a target for sure.  I've always hated that about the maritimes...they pile on you here (in a matter of speaking) if you don't wear the same styles, same hair, talk the same lingo, and do the same things.  This place is really bad for that.  There are two kinds of people. ...those that do what everybody else does and those that don't fit in.  If you dress better than other teens, you're a target.  If you treat everyone with respect, you're liable to be considered weak.  It's not near as bad as it used to be, but the Cape is the Cape.  ....about 90% status quo.  But all jokes aside, people band together pretty quick to help one another around here; but it has its limits.  For instance, the majority of the population would never do what my family is doing -sticking up to the corrupt....most people won't take a chance on getting "singled out" or "drawing attention" to themselves.  It's always been that way here and it's tuff to change.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 25, 2008, 09:43:47 PM
Turns out after reading Adrian's post that Emily was not isolated at all, but rather it sounds like she had a full life with a lot of interests and a lot of friends. As I said in an earlier post, I have known someone for years that has homeschooled everyone of their four boys. Two have already graduated and the other two are grade ten or eleven. They do attend a church where some of the other kids are homeschooled as well I guess. They associate with their own peers, as they all attend youth groups and other social things together. They certainly do not appeared to have suffered for it as they are well rounded and outgoing the way Adrian said Emily was. I don't think being home schooled (which is not unusual in BC) is a prerequisite for being isolated and lonely. I just wonder how all these mom's have the patience that it must take.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 25, 2008, 10:00:00 PM
debbiec; I think the concept in wonderful and admirable; However, as you said, They associate with their own peers, as they all attend youth groups and other social things together. What happens if/when they branch out, which is not unusual with youths?  What happens if for some reason, after years of home schooling, they have to attend puplic school or take a notion to be among the status quo?  I'm guess the parents would have to approve because if they didn't the child would be suddenly caught between two worlds.  ....and maybe not very prepared for the new experiences the said child might find themselves unwittingly and trustingly partaking in ... and who knows! maybe get involved with savey street type that can appear great and actually be a monster.  I don't think I'd be setting my child up that way unless I was rich enough and sure enough I could protect them forever.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 26, 2008, 02:09:42 AM
I keep getting stuck on that one point about the boys being right there when it happened apparently coming across Emily while she was being murdered and then running.

Then I read the home schooling thing and wondered how the boys around Emily's neighborhood treated her and acted around her.

Emily did not die at the scene, and there did not seem to have been any intent to haul her off for rape either before or later, at least not in the story provided by the boys!!... (He was just there to kill her apparently for no known reason or motive)

Adrian wrote -
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One more thing: The boys came upon Emily as she was being attacked. She died at the hospital or on the way.What was the bloody rope for, and do the cops have it? In what manner did she die? If the boys had anything to do with this, why did they run for help??

I can come up with one answer to, "why did they run for help". If this was to be some sort of joke  or prank that went wrong and Emily was unintentionally badly hurt, maybe the boys would run for help but would not want to tell what they had done to cause it. When she died that motive may have become more relevant. They came up with a story and are sticking with it??..

How could this be a prank? Boys that age aren't the smartest things around and girls take up a lot of their time and imagination. Maybe these boys and Emily, all from the same area, had a running thing going. If the boys had access to a quad for instance, they may have devised some goofy plan where one was going to throw a rope over her when she went by some bushes while the other fired up the quad with the end of the rope tied to it and drag Emily up the trail for a bit of a joke or?. Only the rope slipped up over Emily's shoulders and caught her around the neck. A quad is a powerful machine pulling on one thin rope and a lot of presure could be exerted quickly and the rope twisting and cutting could do the rest.

Just saying that there could be other explanations for the stuff that doesn't quite fit right in this story yet. In this scenario, the girl crying wolf would likely have some connection to these boys that could be found. Why hasn't she been charged with mischief?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 27, 2008, 02:19:51 PM

Hi there, I just want to keep this updated.So I am checking the paper daily. It is interesting that Edson is so quiet, no searching for the culprit(s), other than the pics, drawings.

Oh Does anyone know if the rope was found on Emily, or beside where she was. I wonder if she was strangled with the rope? I wonder what else the boys saw.I don't know what kinda prank this would be? Doesn't make sense.
 ??? >:(  ((((hugs))))to the Stauffer Family, and Friends...
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By MICHELLE THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA
   
Click here to find out more!

One month after she was killed in broad daylight, an Edson teen is "more alive than ever," her dad says.

"She has left the shadow lands and is now with Jesus in paradise," writes Terry Stauffer on his blog.

Emily Stauffer, 14, was attacked and killed Sept. 27 while walking along a leaf-littered path in the town 206 km west of Edmonton.

Her death made headlines across the country, but Emily's family grieved quietly, requesting privacy and issuing a brief statement through the RCMP.

Now, things are just beginning to return to normal for those whom Emily left behind.

Her father, pastor of the Edson Baptist Church, has returned to work.

Her older brother and younger sisters have resumed home-school studies. Their mother, Juanita, is their teacher.

"We're pretty much back to routine," Terry Stauffer writes.

"I can go through long stretches where I'm just rolling along with the 'new normal' and then something will come out of the blue to bring back the grief.

"I think all of us are just figuring out how we should be feeling."

The people of Edson reacted with fear and shock after learning of Emily's death.

Those feelings were exacerbated with reports of a second woman being attacked on the town's trail system, days after the teen's murder.

But police later said the second report was false.

Edson became a ghost town as schools went into lock-down, trails were deserted, and folks crashed with friends for fear of living alone. Cans of pepper spray flew off the shelves.

Now, things appear to be settling down, even though Emily's killer remains on the loose.

Mayor Greg Pasychny told Sun Media last week that people were beginning to use the town's trail system again, although they're often walking in pairs.

"If there is a positive spin to the tragedy, it's that people are a bit tighter as a family," he said.

"People are also checking out other people."

The RCMP have yet to make an arrest, but they have released sketches of two men they're interested in tracking down.

Community members have raised more than $25,000 in reward money to help put Emily's killer behind bars.

Emily's dad said he's received no new information.

"There is nothing to report on the investigation front," he writes.

"The RCMP have been excellent, however, and we are not getting frustrated with them.

"God is sovereign."
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 27, 2008, 03:26:40 PM
D1, it never hurts to try and think of new explanations that haven't been thought of yet. Someone recently reminded me in my own life how important it is to never think you have all the answers and to always remain open minded to new possibilities even when you don't think there are any.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 27, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
I wasn't expecting to get much support for posting the theory on the boys, but one can develop tunnel vision quite easily if not careful. I was on the way there, I took the bait, but just can't quite swallow it all. Sometimes there are more answers to be found on a road less travelled. Thanks Debbiec
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on October 27, 2008, 08:25:37 PM
I am tending to lean the direction of the boys as well as a possibility. At this point they are the only ones we know were there with her in some form. If what has been reported of them, their age to me says either possibily old enough to attempt to intervene or possibily old enough to engage in some sort of activity that could have resulted in this crime, even if it didn't start out that way. Would be interesting to get a feel from someone from that area to see what the locals are considering in this case? Usually there is a lot more out there than what is publicized in the paper and often times the paper and television get it wrong or convey it wrong, not that local gossip is factual but might be able to shed some light on this case.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 27, 2008, 08:48:11 PM
You're right haunted, not that local gossip is always factual. Lots of times in small communities people are so close knit that everyone knows everyone and people really have a feel for what goes on in town. It would be very interesting to hear some feedback from the people that live there. As you said the media doesn't always get it right or doesn't always convey it right. It also seems to me that we aren't hearing much on these boys.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 28, 2008, 03:29:16 PM
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I am tending to lean the direction of the boys as well as a possibility.

It seems 99% of the time, the last person known to see the victim alive is the one who done it. Plus there behavior has always baffled me and I have a feelig those bogus sketches are a result of these 2.

I thought though, they would have cracked by now.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 29, 2008, 04:46:33 AM

UPDATE: A musical night for Emily, is being planned. No reports on the circumstances of the investigation in to her death, on the trail. No mention of Witnesses.

If the killer was in the town now, wouldn't it be hard to act the same? He Killed a young 14 year old, or was it "they".? Every thing is being kept quiet, but I don't see any more drawings, of the suspect. Why? Do they already know who did it, and are biding their time?


By ALYSSA NOEL, SUN MEDIA
   

When Axell Axmann spoke to Pastor Terry Stauffer he couldn't stop his voice from wavering.

An Edson resident and father of two young children, Axmann said he couldn't imagine the pain the Stauffer family is going through after the broad daylight slaying of young Emily Stauffer.

Although he didn't know the Stauffers, he felt compelled to do something to help heal the mourning community and allow Emily's memory to live on.

He knew that the 14-year-old girl had loved music and, having been at the helm of a local band for years, he had ties to the music community in the small town.

He decided a concert to raise money for a music scholarship would be the perfect tribute.

After getting the family's blessing during an "emotional" conversation with Terry that "brought tears to my eyes," Axmann set off organizing An Evening for Emily.

"I think this is the town's way of saying we feel terrible as to what happened to the Stauffer family," he said. "Such a young person with so much promise was taken from us. It (shook) us up. I think everybody is trying to find a way to deal with it."

Emily, 14, was attacked and killed Sept. 27 while she was taking an afternoon stroll on one of the town's tree-lined paths, 206 km west of Edmonton.

No one has been charged in her slaying. RCMP continue to investigate.

A community-initiated fund to award a tipster that brings forward information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case has reached over $22,000, more than double what organizers initially aimed for.

Axmann said he hasn't put a monetary goal on the musical evening, but he hopes to raise enough to create a scholarship fund that could be awarded regularly to young musicians who wish to attend Strings and Keys, a summer music program that Emily attended earlier this year.

"I think the scholarship is designed to remind people of Emily Stauffer, what her life was, what her passion was and have that carry on," he said. "We need to remember Emily."

The show takes place Nov. 15 at the Edson Legion.

It will feature Axmann's band Oldscool, along with other local bands, a dance, a midnight lunch and "a few surprises." Tickets are $25 at Valqwest Motors in Edson.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 29, 2008, 11:35:40 AM
Mr. Axemann is quite a man isn't he.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 29, 2008, 02:35:07 PM
What a tough thing for a little town to deal with. Excellent fella that Axemann.

More and more you notice in the news reports the same phrase-
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the broad daylight slaying
  How scary is that for everyone living there. Two POI, possibilities of multiple killers on the loose! It's damn near terrorism. The deafening silence from the RCMP does not help IMO.

Adrian has pointed out how hard that would be for the killer to act normal if he was living there in town. How true. Witnesses would be highly traumatized and couldn't be expected to be acting normally either.

Rope is sort of a strange thing to take for a broad daylight attack in a public place when murder alone was apparently the only motive isn't it? Strangulation, if that's what it was, takes a while. If premeditated this was either very stupid or immature.

If you don't have access to guns and weapons, I guess rope is readily available, kids have been using it for skipping and everything else for years.

Just because the cops have gone silent, we don't have to follow suit, were just talking.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on October 29, 2008, 03:22:50 PM
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The deafening silence from the RCMP does not help IMO.

I actually see that as a positive. To me, it indicates they know who now, just waiting to get what they need for an arrest. If they were not sure who, I think you'd see more activity from the police, more resources and warnings not to go outside.

Just wonder about those boys..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 29, 2008, 03:32:05 PM
Yes the boys, that could be the cause of the silence. If the silence is a positive then this should be brought to a conclusion soon. If it isn't, whats that say??,
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 29, 2008, 03:53:24 PM

Yes, the rope...seems to have gotten lost in the news releases. I wonder if it was that yellow kind, that you can get anywhere, and you can burn it, to get a piece off if you don't have a knife? I don't know why the rope means so much to me now, but I sure would like to know how long it was, and where it came from. I Imagine whoever used it would have rope burns on their hands, unless they wore gloves. Rather, if he wore gloves.

Another thought occured. Where does it say she was NOT raped? Could she not have been farther in the bushes, back where she and the perp would not be seen? Something happened and she ran for dear life, the guy, pissed off so bad, he tries to kill her. Then the boys come along at just that moment in time to see the aftermath of an attack.

Unless the perp knew her, and tried to go out with her, and she said, no way, and he harbored this grudge, this anger, this fury that He was just NOT Good enuff for her???Well, so he surprises her, and he has a rope. I wonder if she was stalked? This could really have been a stranger to that town. Edson.But there was life beyond Edson for Emily, so the search may broaden.

The boys may have witnessed more than we are being told.Plus, it couldn't have been too loud, as the guy who lived close to the spot, was surprised his dog did NOT bark?? Plus we aren't being told, unless I missed it, how long she was gone.When did she leave her house, and go walking? Was it to meet someone? Can phone records be checked? Computer, for sure.

I gotta wrap my head around a few things. It is like it is staring me in the face, and I can't see it? Also the ATV had no tire marks at all, no tracks. Two different pictures, supposedly of the perp, a 20 year old crying wolf. If something happened in my town on the trails, and the perp wasn't caught, I sure as hay would not be walking the paths alone, a few days later.

Confusing...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 30, 2008, 02:25:05 AM
Confusing only because of the lack of information we have to work with. If we could get answers for the half dozen or so questions that were asked in these posts, it may all become crystal clear.

The police have gone silent and there appears to be little or no investigational activity happening. It's as if they know who and are awaiting the dna confirmation. How long can this process take?  Sometimes it seems like forever and sometimes it is forever! There should be time limits placed on testing, after that it just becomes another means of obstruction, like the girl crying wolf!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 30, 2008, 02:59:40 AM


The girl crying wolf was 20 years old, and should have known better, than to walk down a path, after what happened to Emily. Maybe she already knewwho may be involved. Any other time, the cops would have arrested her for obstruction of justice. Why did they protect her?

I think I will check the web a bit, see if anything else is out there yet.I still feel anxious about the boys, and what they came across. Yes they would be traumatized. I wonder if the police will hypnotize them, to see if there is any more recall.
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D1:
Yes the boys, that could be the cause of the silence. If the silence is a positive then this should be brought to a conclusion soon. If it isn't, whats that say??,
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I feel it is either connected to the boys, or an admirer of Emily; but then we go to random. You are right we are going in circles, at least I am. :-[ :-[

It bothers me, because she seemed to have a happy family, was well adjusted, and then this happens. She is now in the arms of the creator, and may the Stauffer Family find some sort of closure soon.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 09:19:51 AM
That poor girl; it seems that as her social horizons expanded, her life span grew narrower.  It's just no fair.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 30, 2008, 12:03:15 PM
Maybe thats why Emily's murder seems particularly evil and frustrating to deal with. She was the kind of girl that this was not supposed to happen to. She had avoided all of the usual pitfalls of todays teens, no high risk lifestyle, just a nice regular girl. She loved animals and had a great big heart, something her killer would never understand.

We have been stuck going around in circles trying to figure things out. If the boys are to be believed, we have one type of suspect, if their story falls apart, we have something completely different. That is not a nice way for this to be left, hopefully someone from that area will send in some new information, or the police will step up to end this soon.

Anyone going through that area in the next while? Maybe someone could hang up a few notices on the store bulletin boards requesting people view and send information here, to this board.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on October 30, 2008, 12:16:58 PM
I have this thought that an arrest is imminent and that the suspect arrested will be just as much as a surprise to all of us as the fact that such a beautiful, unassuming young girl could be a victim of foul play.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on October 30, 2008, 12:37:23 PM


I sure hope so, and I wonder who Axeman is, who is in charge of that music night they are going to have. Emily being a musician, leads to knowing many people, all over. I know, as my brother was once a great one.If I were the cops, I would be all over that, to see who shows up.

We all know what trauma is, and I bet those young boys were horrified stumbling into what they saw. They were on their bikes, probably horsing around, and then this.

What if??? They did really see the attacker, but he was familiar to them, so they made up the story, to make him look like someone else?They were scared senseless...

D1:
Maybe thats why Emily's murder seems particularly evil and frustrating to deal with. She was the kind of girl that this was not supposed to happen to. She had avoided all of the usual pitfalls of todays teens, no high risk lifestyle, just a nice regular girl. She loved animals and had a great big heart, something her killer would never understand.


Couldn't have said this better myself, and yes Mauve, I hope they catch who did this to Emily soon. My heart is with her family.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 30, 2008, 03:10:26 PM
That's a pretty good alternative "what if" Adrian. That could explain the two different POI sketches and why the boys story seems a little funny. If you had seen a murder, you wouldn't want the killer to know that you could identify him either. If so, it's still tough to figure out what the cops are up to, innocent boys would likely tell the truth to the cops for their own protection, and so the cops would know who dunnit wouldn't they? In a dangerous situation like this where the killer is still on the loose, I wouldn,t think they would have to wait for Dna tests to make an arrest???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on October 30, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
Adrian and D; you make a pretty good team.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on October 30, 2008, 08:26:02 PM
Thanks ling, just think of what we could do if we could only get someone to feed us a little more information to work with!

I'm hoping someone seeing this will be going through that area in the next while.

Maybe someone could hang up a few notices on the store bulletin boards requesting the locals to view and send information back here, to this board?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on October 31, 2008, 09:53:02 PM
That's a great idea D1. People need to get the word out. Like someone on here once suggested, it would be great if people became more aware that this board is here. This could be a place where people could come with whatever information they have, no matter how small or insignificant they think it is. We do have a thread for tips. Feedback from the public may be the key to solving this case. I believe someone out there knows something that could be the break RCMP are looking for.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 04, 2008, 01:26:36 PM

Hi everyone, I went web searching a bit, to try find more news on the killing of Emily Sauffer, in Edson, along a pathway.I did find an older report, thinks that the hoax was strange.

Whatever, it still doesn't lead to Emilie's killer. From what I have been reading, it seems the town, is looking at locals.I hope they follow other leads, as Emily had not been a true home gal. She had camp. music, enjoyng nature.

Now I wonder more about this gal. She may have had mental health issues. Something is strange to me anyway.

 
Ben Gelinas
Canwest News Service

Saturday, October 04, 2008

EDMONTON - Mayor Greg Pasychny says he, like many  people he's talked to in his west Alberta community of Edson, is disturbed.

He doesn't understand why, in the wake of the recent killing of a teenage girl on a walking trail, a local woman made up a story that she, too, had been attacked.

"This person took resources away from the true tragedy," he said Saturday.

RCMP have 40 officers probing the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer, who about a week ago.

Her death sent a wave of fear through the town, Pasychny said. "It had people on edge."

When police announced that a woman in her early 20s was accosted Tuesday on another trail, residents panicked.

Schools were locked down. There were reports of pepper spray selling out.

Late Friday, RCMP announced the woman gave a "frivolous" account when she told them she was attacked, specifically by a man who smelled of body odour masked with cologne. In hysterics, she told bystanders that the man yanked her pony tail.

None of it apparently happened. RCMP aren't planning to press charges against her.

A false report could garner mischief charges, if the complainant was purposefully misleading the police.

But something about this particular case has led RCMP to shy away from reprimanding her.

It could be an issue with the woman's mental state, said retired University of Alberta criminologist Keith Spencer.

It's not uncommon for "attention-seeking individuals" to make claims associated with major events like a murder.

"They say they are very hard charges to stick," Pasychny said, after speaking with officers.

"Due to the person they are dealing with, it would make it even more difficult."

RCMP media spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes said it would violate the woman's privacy to explain why they won't be laying charges.

"I cannot and will not provide any details," he said. "There were no grounds to believe that the event actually happened. And that's that."

For many in the town, the false story means it's less likely someone is "lurking in the bushes, waiting to prey on their next victim," Pasychny said. "Things are starting to return to normal in our community."

The officers leading the investigation are based in Edson, a community about 200 kilometres west of Edmonton, but their killer could have fled by now.

Spencer said he believes the killer is likely still in the area.

"We always want to believe that the perpetrators are from somewhere else," he said. "I don't think someone drove to Edson to commit that offence and left right away."

Search and rescue teams were walking through the brush around the scene of the killing Saturday, hunting for any kind of evidence as the RCMP investigation continues.

Edmonton Journal

bgelinas@thejournal.canwest.com
? Edmonton Journal 2008
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 04, 2008, 03:12:25 PM
Interesting little details in that article, thanks Adrian. Makes one wonder why the bogus attack and phoney suspect description was even publicized and pursued by the RCMP in the first place?

The results were-
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When police announced that a woman in her early 20s was accosted Tuesday on another trail, residents panicked.

Schools were locked down. There were reports of pepper spray selling out.

Late Friday, RCMP announced the woman gave a "frivolous" account when she told them she was attacked, specifically by a man who smelled of body odour masked with cologne. In hysterics, she told bystanders that the man yanked her pony tail.

None of it apparently happened. RCMP aren't planning to press charges against her.

The two suspicious POI/ descriptions, left the possibly of multiple killers still roaming the area to heighten the concerns for the citizens of Edson.

The total silence from the RCMP has reinforced the fear.

As time passes, the prospects for an eminent arrest are quickly diminishing.

IMO, there's something strange a foot!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 05, 2008, 12:35:49 PM
There sure doesn't seem to be anything forthcoming on this case. I wonder why everything has gone so quiet. RCMP probably don't want to compromise the investigation, but it would be interesting to know if there are any new developments.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 05, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
The calm before the storm Debbie. The town is about to be rocked again when an arrest is made.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on November 06, 2008, 12:13:51 AM
There sure doesn't seem to be anything forthcoming on this case. I wonder why everything has gone so quiet. RCMP probably don't want to compromise the investigation, but it would be interesting to know if there are any new developments.

They probably already know who, that is my guess. They are just building a case now. At least I hope.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 06, 2008, 12:23:00 PM
The general feeling and conjecture to explain the actions of the police in this case has pretty well come down to, they know who it is and an arrest is emminent. I hope so too because there are very few other explanations except for one, COVERUP !  Obviously it's too early to go there yet, but by the time it is recognized, it's almost always too late to do anything about it. How long should this take if the police already know who? How long should two POI profiles be left circulating and scaring the town if the Police already know the answers? How long do you leave a killer on the loose, especially one who could commit a brazen broad daylight murder like this?  The time it takes to come up with a suspect is the dividing line that determines what this really is. As it stands right now, the actions of the RCMP in this investigation, obligate them to produce very soon, or the other option becomes more viable as each day passes. tick.. tick...tick...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on November 07, 2008, 04:17:29 AM
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How long should this take if the police already know who

well, in this day and age, I doubt the police want to rush anything. Judges are quick to free people if the police do not have all evidence itemized and in order, so in a case this serious, I do not blame for building a case rather then rushing things and risking it.

It would be nicer to get them off the street, but the police would be blamed if whomever did it got off on a technicality.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 07, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
I do agree with Chris at this point and time, by all indications, an arrest must be forthcoming, it's the only plausable explanation right now.  However that explanation becomes a means of obstruction in itself should this turn into one of those cases in which an arrest never does come and remains an unsolved for years to come. If that were to occur, I would question what motive there was for the strange events that took place at the onset of this investigation. The woman that gave the widely publicized bogus story of the second attack obstructing the investigation at such a critical time, (no charges). Two radically different POI descriptions, no explanation given, then total silence from the Police ever since. 

When does it becomes appropriate to ask why? Usually by that time, public outrage has subsided, life will have gone back to normal for most people, there will be new and current cases to distract the public and Emily will begin to disappear in the rear view mirror. Just another case number in a backroom file.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on November 08, 2008, 12:50:37 AM
There was a case earlier this year in Nova Scotia in which a 12 year old girl was murdered and found in a ditch. It was weird too casue the cops said nothing but assured the public the town was safe. Then suddently, weeks later, the mother was arrested.

I hope this does not become unsolved, but it would seem if there had no clues or suspects, they'd be seeking help and bring in big shots from across the country to help. A 14 year old getting murdered at random IMO would be the RCMP's greatest fear.

I could be wrong, but I still think those 2 boys or one of them may be involved. Like with that 12 year old in Novo Scotia, the last person to see the girl alive was her own mother, the person charged.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 08, 2008, 02:04:16 AM


You know Chris, It also could be random. It is possible a bad guy, SK, was there, being more daring. Other than that, this is very mysterious, and a lot of unanswered questions. Too many.

The silence is deafening, and I keep checking for updates. I wish someone from Edson or near there would write in and tell us, what the town thinks.

They are protecting the woman who cried wolf, and are telling people they don't want vigilante justice. Maybe they do have a suspect, or suspects.

As D1 says, they better make an arrest soon, before it slips thru the cracks.I know a lot of articles from the web I read, that some are thinking the person came to Edson from elsewhere.They spent so much time on that woman, who diverted the investigation, they lost precious days. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 08, 2008, 12:36:35 PM
Although there is little to go on, and we are stuck waiting anyway, some of the little details are telling in them selves.

Like Chris said -
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I hope this does not become unsolved, but it would seem if there had no clues or suspects, they'd be seeking help and bring in big shots from across the country to help. A 14 year old getting murdered at random IMO would be the RCMP's greatest fear.

So we have to assume that there is a suspect, or the Police would not be so quiet.

Then Adrian voiced the random possibility again,
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You know Chris, It also could be random. It is possible a bad guy, SK, was there, being more daring. Other than that, this is very mysterious, and a lot of unanswered questions. Too many.


IMO, If there were a random killer, this would be an extreme almost psycotic act, a person out of control, maybe not even able to drive or even conduct his own affairs. This was in broad daylight, a brutal attack on a public trail while school was out. Someone who would do this in a random manner is almost too brazen to be sane and should have come to light soon after. This type almost always acts alone. This would not be a crazy like a fox kind of guy. The police should be way more concerned and actively seeking help from the public if this were the case.

IMO , Emily was the specific target, not a random target, she often walked there at that time of day. That?s why she was killed where and when she was. She was a good girl, probably went home early. This was likely the only time and opportunity available.

Two boys also frequented the area and apparently saw the killer, two boys should have seen the same guy. There are two completely different POI sketches currently circulating. The second provided some time after the widely publicized bogus attack story on the woman.

Why would the police allow two different sketches to remain circulating without explanation or differentiation? Why allow that woman to give the bogus story? What?s up? The two different POI and the bogus attack story are doing what? Confirming and backing up the boys story of an unidentified killer on the loose! Diverting suspicion away from who? The Police have and are continuing to aid in this procedure.

If there is a cover-up underway, it is these boys that are the most likely beneficiaries, or a yet to be identified secret accomplice! If the boys were just the lookouts, and there was a third person involved, then this attack is not as brazen as it first appears. An isolated, concealed, controlled crime scene, with one path in from each direction would require two lookouts. If the boys had been seen going into or coming out of that area, they would have been suspects. They would have to report the murder in order to avoid becoming suspects themselves and to keep up the illusion of innocence.

If the police were just waiting for forensics to confirm suspicions on the boys, this may explain what has gone wrong. The police suspect them, but no evidence links them. A third person involved?

Either way it all comes back to the boys, who and what did they really see? If involved, one would think that the boys would have cracked by now with all the scrutiny. They likely have to some one; lawyers, parents, or cops?? Who had the smarts, the ability, the connections and clout, to generate and pull off the diversion and obstruction? Not likely two thirteen year old boys on their own!

Is there something about these boys or their family connections to warrant the police backing off and facilitating the obstruction for their benefit? Who's their daddy? Cop? Lawyer? Politician? Wealthy family?

If the boys story stands, and they are telling the truth, then they would have told the police who likely know the identity of the perp, or they wouldn?t be so quiet. So it then becomes the Police who are facilitating the ongoing obstruction and terrorizing of this small community for unknown reasons. 

 The silence continues, tick... tick... tick..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 11, 2008, 02:03:41 AM
"We're not sure if (the killer) is a man who's local, or if he's a man we know, or if he's a complete and total stranger," said McPhee.
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Pretty Quiet on who killed Emily Stauffer!!!!  Too quiet. Makes me wonder what's up, as unless this was a random killing by a stranger passing through, who just happened to be hiding in the bushes...duh...also bothers me big time, that the woman who called wolf, took presious time away from the investigation!!!! Who was she, and why was she not charged. At least give us an explanation????? This is a slaying of a 14 year old girl, and the slayer has to be caught... :(


By RICHARD LIEBRECHT, SUN MEDIA
   

EDSON -- Pastor Terry Stauffer returned to the pulpit yesterday morning for the first time since his teenage daughter was slain - and he almost avoided talking about her unsolved death.

The only mention of Emily Joy Stauffer - the 14-year-old girl who was fatally attacked Sept. 27 while she was taking an afternoon stroll on one of the town's tree-lined paths, 206 km west of Edmonton - came when Stauffer spoke of his belief she now rests with God in heaven.

"Jesus cares for those who die before us in faith," he told the congregation at Edson Baptist Church.

At the top of his sermon, Stauffer said it was not about his slain daughter or his mourning family. Rather, it's about the church family.

It was six weeks and a day since his daughter's murder.

He said the past six weeks had been a time of weakness for him, adding that "grief can make us feel weak."

And the weak, he said, hear voices that tell them they are weak, they don't care and that they cannot be Christian.

But Stauffer reaffirmed his faith from the pulpit, delivering a sermon in a loud tone, with hands carving the air, about how God's love means nothing else matters.

"For God alone my soul waits in silence," he quoted from a Bible passage.

"He alone is my salvation, my fortress. I shall not be greatly shaken."

He later added: "Sometimes you just need to say the words over if you don't believe them."

Stauffer, who has led Edson Baptist since 1997, according to its website, came back to the church to sit among his parishioners just three weeks after the killing.

"It's been a humbling time, coming to church, not doing anything," he said.

Stauffer made no mention of his daughter's killer, who remains on the loose.

Stauffer's return was good for him, but also good for the congregation, said board chairman Brian Thibault.

"What you heard from Terry today is what the church lives - strength in God," Thibault said.

"This congregation has put trust in God and they believe Emily's death would not be without purpose. We know she is in heaven today, and that's a huge comfort to us."

However, for some other congregation members, the thought of the death lingers.

"It's hard because there's no real closure on it," said Pat McPhee, a member who made the original call to invite Stauffer to preach at the church and was the first person to the family's home after the murder.

"We're not sure if (the killer) is a man who's local, or if he's a man we know, or if he's a complete and total stranger," said McPhee.

"You always have those things to think about."
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 11, 2008, 11:30:52 AM
I, like some of you think that the police are investigating quietly on this murder of Emily and they cannot show their hand. They could be watching those young boys who came across the assault and murder of Emily. They have to be sure when they arrest someone, they want to get the good airtight before they ruin a child's life. These boys maybe telling the truth and somehow, I don't feel they are. I feel there could have been something going on with those two and someone else and when things got out of hand they got scared and ran for help.  That's what I really think, I hope I am wrong.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 11, 2008, 11:51:15 AM
you could be more right than wrong about that cape... there's so much we don't know, like where were those boys coming from?  did they know Emily? they were old enough to start screaming at this guy and maybe scare him off... it wasn't as if it was late night hours and they should be terrified for their own safety.  Im my opinion, even little kids would start screaming!  I don't get these boys at all!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 14, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Some of the other little details that preceded Emily?s murder bare a little added scrutiny in light of the total silence we have been left with.

Emily had apparently lived in Edson all of her life, growing up with and interacting with all of the locals. She had just reached an age when changes begin to take place in girls, not just physically but in an attitude sort of sense. I don?t make claim to really understand all that, being male and all, but I wondered if something had changed in Emily right around this time that had triggered someone?s anger?

Emily had been away for a good part of the summer, she had experiences outside of her norm and some of the details of what she was involved in suggest this may have been a rather empowering experience. Working with that horse that no one else would, sticking with it and exerting her will, all indicators of a girl coming into her own, a woman in the making. Had someone she met there developed an infatuation for Emily while she was away? Who she may have met during that time and what other experiences she may have had are totally unknown.

But when Emily returned back to her home in the small town of Edson, she may have come back changed. Some of what had been going on before she left might not have been the same after her return. Some of the ongoing relationships she had with others may have changed too. Who in Emily?s life would have been most offended, or felt the most jilted or belittled by the changes she may have exhibited? What kind of person in that kind of situation would be most angered?

As I said, being male, I don?t really understand all of what goes on with the changes girls undergo and what that could mean to the understanding of a situation like this.  Maybe someone else could elucidate?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 14, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
I have also been thinking along the lines of how that girl could have changed a lot in the months prior to her murder....just didn't get to the point where I considered all the changes I felt at that age and after new experiences.  You are making logical assumptions D1.

I remember that some experiences at that time in my life were actually totally altering my future, and how I would be around others.  I really did change a lot after advancing to the town school/s, from the rural school, for one example.  I also noticed that about all my peers.  We used to get teased about being "from the sticks" because the other kids were so far ahead of us socially.

It sure would be interesting to be in that town, and talk to all the people Emily mixed with daily.  It would also be interesting to know more about the new activities she became involved in ....like with her music, and during summer camp.  I wonder if she had any extreme impact on whatever new people were in her life that summer (whether it was favorable or unfavorable impact).  I wonder how her regular friends and peers saw her at this time; or if she saw them differently. 

I know that as soon as my teen life changed, so did my who lifestyle of friends etc. One has to wonder, if authorities investigating this type of case also views such matters seriously.  Isn't that what profilers look into?  I also wonder if the local police there, have that sort of investigative procedure; or if they even thought it would help to bring that kind of help in from elsewhere, if they didn't have the qualified officers for this.  There's so much we don't get to know.
It would be great if people from that area took part in this forum.  Everybody feels badly about this beautiful young person's passing; it seems so unfair to just close the book.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on November 15, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
I recall with a great deal of clarity that 14 was an age that I experienced a lot of emotional changes. I think it is one of those ages where many teen girls begin to experience a lot of things and often aren't emotionally ready for everything. As I recall that was the case when I was that age, albeit, kids nowadays seem way more sophisiticated at earlier ages. For me, at that time, a relationship was a catalyst that changed all other aspects of my life: my relationship with my closest friend, with my parents and my attitude in school. Most of all though my relationship with myself was changed. Like Emily, I grew up in a small community and didn't have a lot of influence from the outside world. It is very possible that what D1 and Lost mentioned above, could have played a significant role in this case. I really hope there is something new soon brought forward showing progress in this investigation.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 15, 2008, 12:39:59 PM
I think that as a girl, at the age of fourteen, Emily would have just begun to come into her own. Coupled with the fact, that she was experiencing all kinds of outside influences in her life, she was also just at the age where most of us experience personal growth. I remember fourteen as being an age where the emotional changes could be confusing. Not a little girl anymore, but still not yet a woman. I also feel that when she left Edson at the beginning of summer to attend the horse riding ranch, she may have been a different person than when she returned. She had probably grown up a lot, and maybe grown away from someone that she had previously had a childhood crush on. Someone who may not have been able to accept that. It's hard to say who she was around once she came home. Maybe there was someone who really liked the new Emily, and wanted to persue something that she just wasn't ready for. There are still some things that really bother me about this case. The two boys, and why we haven't been told much about them would be at the top of the list. Also, I've wondered about the bloody rope and how it got that way. Was it around her neck, or was it used to restrain her, say around her wrists? There's still the question as to why the dog in the area close by did not bark while this was in progress. Just still too many unanswered questions and nothing seems to be forthcoming. Edson is a small community, and they more than likely do not have anyone specialized in profiling. I wouldn't be surprised, however, that they confir with someone who is.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 01:54:59 PM
The interplay that goes on with young teens and the hormone factor is a really confusing time for most. I recall being around that age when our family went away for the summer. Upon my return I was shocked to learn how fast things can change. A girl with whom I thought we had something special going on, had virtually turned into a new creature in that short time. Of all cruelties she had blossomed into looking more like a woman than a girl and I was stuck hanging around looking more like her little brother. The girls seemed to mature at a little faster rate than the boys. Now I had to watch as the older boys with cars even, took notice of my little angel and of all horrors she seemed to be enjoying the new attention. I slowly had to accept the fact that I was not going to be her one and only, and we were not destined by God to be together as I had thought. I never got the urge to ?off the little bitch? but getting a drivers license took on a whole new meaning, I could hardly wait for my turn.

It is still hard to imagine a couple of young boys actually devising a plan on their own that would lead to Emily?s death, but there is still something really strange about their involvement. I do wonder what could have been going on between the boys and Emily preceding her death. If they did indeed know each other, (this was a small town) the ensuing events become even more suspicious.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 15, 2008, 02:24:44 PM
D1 : Why is it hard to imagine a couple of young boys going off the deep end and killing Emily? In England, in the 90's(I could be mistaken about the year) a 8 yr old and a 10 yr old lured a 2 year old to a gruesome death. Closer to home in 1992, when I was living in Sudbury a 14 year old stuck a blade through the heart of a nine year old girl. She came upon him by accident when he was thinking of ending his life, he took hers instead. Someone on this thread did say two boys, two different composites. One could have murdered her and said, "keep your mouth shut or I'll do the same to you," or both could be involved. It's a sad reality but what about the 12 year old in Medicine Hat, Alberta who plotted the murder of her parents and her little brother with her boyfriend? I believe the bf's trial is scheduled to start this week. Kids kill...for all sorts of reasons, for the sheer thrill of it, for spite, for something to do when they're bored, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 02:40:28 PM
You are right mauvelilac, it is entirely possible that the boys could have done this. I just don't personally get it but I suppose thats the difference between those who kill and those who don't, I could hardly envision it, let alone do it.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 15, 2008, 02:49:25 PM
I know how you feel D1. It's really hard to think a child could even think of doing something like this let alone do it. I said somewhere way back in this thread when they find the killer, the town will be rocked again. When I was just writing about the Sudbury incident, it brought back a flood of memories. It was actually a little town(much like Edson) on the outskirts  of the city called Whitefish. I hope and pray there really was a man. I really want to believe these kids were innocent bystanders but I can't see it in my minds eye. Why kill Emily in front of not one but two witnesses without eliminating them too? Especially if he was local and if he wasn't he would have stood out in the town. Unless it's a town like Banff that caters to tourists?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 03:22:17 PM
I don't recall Edson making the top ten tourist destination list lately, in fact given its location I think the opposite may be more applicable. So I lean more towards local involvement and no matter what, and as troubling as it may be,   it all keeps coming back to these boys from every angle. Times have changed a lot since I was their age, kids killing kids was such a foreign concept that we are still talking about one of the first, Stephen Truscott to this day. As  was pointed out, there have been numerous other cases since and with each we are becoming increasingly numb to the shock of what kids can do. But how smart can a couple of young boys be to get away with a crime like this, there must be something in the details that can either implicate or exonerate them you would think. The RCMP (40 plus investigators at one time) can't be outsmarted by a couple of mere kids can they?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 15, 2008, 05:03:35 PM
Edson would definitely not make the top ten tourist destination list. I lived there as a young girl for a while, and thought it wasn't very nice at all. I actually returned to visit within the last few years, and found that it hasn't changed much. As D1, I also tend to lean toward it being someone local. It's a small population, only around 8,000 people if I'm not mistaken. In a town that size most of the people would know each other. It stands to reason, that even if this was not someone that she had some type of relationship with, she may have felt comfortable, just having seen them around town. I keep going back to someone with a lot more serious intent than she may have even been aware of. Emily was a young girl, just on the verge of becoming a woman. Had she attracted the attention of someone that she didn't even know about? As I said before, I think girls are slower in wanting to pursue the physical side of things, where boys are just walking hormones at that age. She may have found herself in a situation that she just couldn't escape.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on November 15, 2008, 05:48:35 PM
Agree girls are usually slower in that area and often it is a teen girl and older guy. The attention received by older guys seems really flattering at the time and I think teen girls can get caught up in that really quickly but not realize, at least for a while, the intention or the older guy to pursue a physical relationship. By the time the teen girl realizes that, I think sometimes, they feel they have invested too much emotionally into the relationship to make good decisions, or of course, are pressured.   I also think the person who did this is more than likely local, than not. Probably someone who Emily knew or knew of and I don't think the dog barked because the dog didn't perceive any danger. I doubt there was even a scream because of the rope. I am still hung up on the rope. It is a perplexing kind of 'weapon' to use. I can only think of it being used because it could prevent screaming, or it was a weapon that easily obtained by 'kids'. Not many adults have used that kind of weapon in a random attack, especially one where the victim wasn't sexually assaulted first.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 15, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Well then Debbie if we were to sway from the boys towards say a local teenager, it would have to have been someone the boys knew and knew well.  A brother maybe, or a neighbour? I live in a small town of about 6,000 and the people here are still talking about my Halloween decorations. My point being, a small town, not much is missed and it doesn't take a lot to make tongues wag. People are still talking about my neighbour who was sent away two years ago for molesting his daughter and released this summer.
If it's not a tourist destination, a stranger would stand out.
Emily was a beautiful young lady and I could see how a young man with raging hormones would try something. BUT those two lads are either lying about what they saw(did) or they actually did it themselves in my mind. I know two people can see a car accident and not remember the same details but these two boys saw the same person and there's two different composites. Although, I have seen that happen in older witnesses. Case in point, on this site there's a thread for Renee Sweeney, two composites, one killer. Those composites don't look a thing like the other.  One lad  could have had a better memory. As D1 said though, it keeps coming back to the boys, no matter which way you look at it.
I wouldn't want to second guess the RCMP but you know if the ones investigating are 20's something themselves with very little experience to bring to the table it's conceivable the boys could pull one over on them. Another thought I'm considering is, what are the yo-yo (youth offender) laws in Alberta? The Crown could be debating on how to go about charging them....
Maybe we could have a poll? How many think the boys are involved, how many think a local man or how many think a stranger?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 15, 2008, 06:09:47 PM
Haunted: The rope...something came to my mind as I was reading your post. A few years back there was a game circulating..a lot of young kids were doing it. I can't remember the name of the game but it caused a few deaths. They would hang a piece of rope around their necks, tie it and jump from a swing, garage roof , bunk beds etc. It was discussed on all the talk shows of the time. Darn, I can't remember the name of the game. Maybe that's what the rope was all about. The boys might have had it  and were playing the game. Emily came along and told them, "You shouldn't be doing that." and....
Two girls in  the Sudbury area were found dead from this game. They were 12 years old.
This game, you weren't supposed to die, just go unconcious. I thought it wasn't happening anymore but maybe it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
The rope thing is quite strange, and not only that, it was a blood covered rope. Might be something else involved that we don't know. The game is a possibility with the boys, Emily would have been an unwilling participant in my mind but it may have been part of the boys plan.

That part about the young offender act is a really interesting idea mauve and may even explain the silence. The yo yo law is a tough thing on its own to deal with, but here you have two potential suspects and anytime that happens you have the potential for a lot of legal games. The cops are being completely silent, maybe this has already gone to the crown for charge approval? The investigation phase seems to be over, there are no new or updated POI reports or requests for more info from the general public. If the police believe they know who it is they obviously don't consider him (or them) a risk of reoffending right now. Maybe this was a hormone driven immature attempt for sex (or rape) that went so bad that (the new Emily fighting back) became a victim of that obsession. Sex may well have been the initial motive and really when it comes to the murder of a beautiful young girl that is most likely the case.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 15, 2008, 06:32:17 PM
I also agree D1, that the police more than likely have a POI, (or 2?). Sometimes it's just a matter of getting I's dotted, and T's crossed, so as to make sure everything is perfect, so it won't be thrown out when they proceed.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 15, 2008, 06:56:18 PM
The blood covered rope is not significant in itself to me D1, If you've read the Nick Tron book Lethal Marriage Bernardo(Teale) Homolka murders, Karla says that Paul strangles Leslie Mahaffy with a rope and she has to dispose of it and she says it was all bloody. I think that happens when rope cuts into flesh and is pulled with enough force that it literally cuts the skin.
Debbie, I hope you didn't think I was being sarcastic with you because that's just the way I write when I'm pondering and I addressed you as you had written the previous post and I was trying to see it your way. And I can to a certain extent but I guess I just always felt from day one the boys have a big role in this murder. I can't get around small town where stranger stands out, two different composites of one person each boy claims to have seen, broad daylight, dog doesn't bark, a killing in front of not one but two witnesses. Doesn't add up for some reason..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
Mauve, I meant the blood on the rope in context with the rope game that you had described. I have heard a little about that but did not think there was force exerted to this extent with a game. Aside from the game though, where murder was the intention, yes and some types of rope may inflict a lot more damage than others, almost like a garrotte type device.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 15, 2008, 07:35:48 PM
I once saw something on TV mauve, where as you were watching something on the screen, a person appears in the background carrying a chair, and sets it down and walks off. At this time it appears to have no relevance to anything. After a bit, they ask a number of people from the audience to describe what they saw. There were hardly any people that described seeing the same thing. My point being that I really don't think it is unusual for two witnesses, if that is indeed what they were, (especially if witnessing a horrific act) to see things very differently. I have not discounted the fact that the boys could be involved, but also think there could be different scenarios. I actually don't lean toward it being a stranger, as I do think that would stand out. No offense taken mauve, that's why we all have opinions, and that's what makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 15, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
Thats right Deb, we don't really know and are just exploring the possibilities with the limited information we have available. Each little piece means something and one more little piece could change the whole picture again. Thats how this latest discussion began, who might have become the most angered over something to do with Emily to have committed an act of such violence? Garrotting a victim with a piece of rope, if thats what it was, is highly unusual. Seems as if there were extreme anger or jealousy involved for it to be so up close and personal like that. So if Emily had come back home a new person, who would have been most disturbed by the changes?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 15, 2008, 10:23:58 PM
Hearing you talk about garrotting a victim being so up close and personal makes me think that the killer would not have been female, if in fact that is what happened. That possibility was touched on in another post, and while I'm certainly open to anything, I think that it would be a male in that case. I'm basing that on the fact that everything I've read states that women are less likely to commit a crime that personal. Apparently it is more common for a woman to kill in a way that is not hands on. I do realize that there is always the exception to everything, so that's just an observation. The question that you have asked D1, about who would be the most disturbed by the changes in Emily, could very well hold the answer to her death. Like you said one new piece of information could change everything.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 15, 2008, 10:38:27 PM


You just might be opening up. a can of worms!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 16, 2008, 12:42:32 AM
How so Adrian?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 16, 2008, 01:35:54 AM


Here you have a young girl, having grown up in a small town, living a rather sheltered life. I presume, anyway, Now she is growing more, and is moving on to different experiences. I think she grew up with order and discipline, especially being a preachers daughter and all.

Going away on her own to camp, and new experiences, new people, summertime, the time for summer romances, for many of us as kids. She would have come home more self assured, more knowledgeable of people, and the world around her.

The people she left in EDson, were still her friends, but she may have brushed one off. She liked music, and most likely played a lot of music, introducing her to more of the outside world, and feelings.

Usually, I believe that when an investigation like this is started, on the death of a young girl, they start at the family, then friends, acquaintances, regulars she had contact with.

She may have abrubtly brushed off any would be relationship with someone, that was either ongoing, or never started. Meaning someone who knew her was obsessed with her, and probably jealous, seeing her slip away.

That means the family, has to realize that one of the people they have come in contact wit, may have killed her. It could be anyone, a family friend, someone from camp, or someone right from town.

The police are remaining silent (don't you hate that?) probably already having a poi, or poi's right close to her family. If that rope was used there was a lot of anger, anger so fierce, it was meant to kill her. I hate to think it was someone she knew and trusted, but I do.

The kids story just doesn't cut it. I wonder whose kids they are, and why the wolf caller, were let off so easy. Maybe they are being watched.

Right now, I think that whole town is watching each other.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 16, 2008, 02:55:14 PM
I do agree with Debbie in a sense. If the boys did't do it and it's still a big if to me, then they may very well have been traumatized by what they saw and that would reflect in the composites.
You all make really excellent  points for and against, however, I'm not swayed. LOL
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 16, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Mauve, I don't think anyone is trying to sway other's opinions. We are all just trying to think of any possible scenario, with what limited information we have. At this point it all comes down to speculation, and as D1 said a few posts back, we are just exploring possibilities,  and one small piece added to the puzzle could change the whole picture.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 16, 2008, 03:35:42 PM
We have all formed our opinions based on very limited information, myself included. Without additional input we are doomed to go around in this same circle, so very little information leaves the field way open for speculation and conjecture but provides little with which to make any conclusions. Anyone at this point could be right or wrong, and none of us can really know. We are just talking and every point of view should be encouraged. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 16, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
I'm not discouraging view points, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. Never have, never will. As far as I'm concerned what matters most is getting this killer off the streets and fast be it the boys, a local, a stranger. Whoever did this in my opinion needs some serious psychological help.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 16, 2008, 04:53:40 PM
My thought at this point is narrowed down to two beliefs (based on our limited facts and coupled with our possible scenarios)
1.  It still could be just as it is - an isolated incident brought about by Emily happening into the path, mood, plan, or accidental opportunity of a would-be predator capable of doing this ..... (a similar possible as Alexandra W.'s death)
2.  It could be totally opposite - a direct result of the resent changes in Emily's life ....that being socially, physically and mentally, and according to who/whom she may have greatly affected in some way.  This could be:
a new acquaintence who turned out to be a bad connection for her.
an old acquaintence who turned out to be something unexpected or worse than she may have ever thought to be. (we all know somebody at some point who we think could be a danger to us, but we usually give them and benefit of the doubt; and this for most of us, turns out well.)
3.  It could be that she came upon something that would really get somebody in trouble, (maybe she didn't even realize it; maybe somebody confided something to her that could seriouly embarass or ruin somebody; and such was became known to that somebody.)

I believe that this kind of quick crime that happens for aparently "no reason" actually has a deep serious unusual reason.

Maybe the boys were the target, and Emily saved them.... I'm sure two young teenage boys in any kind of shameful or dangerous situation, who escaped a close call, would never want to reveal the actual circumstances of the whole episode.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 16, 2008, 04:56:21 PM
Mauve and others on your comments, I too feel that the boys have not told the full story. I somehow feel they were in on what happened, even if they did not do anything they knew something was going to occur. I believe they knew this girl lived a sheltered life and somehow this intrigues young people and they know they can intimidate someone of that nature very easily. I feel something got out of hand here and they freaked out and ran for help, not thinking the person would carry out the deed. Those are just feelings I have. I hope I am wrong, this is just a sense of this being a small community and I doubt it was a stranger that came in on that day and did this crime. Hoping this is solved soon and some arrests are forthcoming in this horrible, senseless murder.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 16, 2008, 05:11:06 PM
I would agree with your take on this Capeheart and had done so until recently. However, there have not been any arrests, and there should have been by now in the scenario as described. I have one more possibility which has not yet been discussed, likely the most controversial of all! Sorry, its a little long.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 16, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
A DEAFENING SILENCE!

As the latest discussion continued, the initial story the boys had told came more and more into the spotlight.

The other strange events, the girl crying wolf and the two unidentified POI s came afterwards.

More details emerged about Emily?s last days. The picture of a girl in the midst of change became more relevant.

The police who once stated-
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Suspects have yet to be pegged, RCMP Cpl. Wayne Oakes said yesterday.

"If we had suspects in mind, we would not be continuing to come out with such vigour," he said last night. "We are still aggressively seeking information that will lead us to the person (who committed) this horrific murder."/
,have now gone silent.

Assumptions have been made based on the little facts available. The most important being, that the police have a suspect. Their silence not only indicates that but the lack of subsequent action also indicates that they believe the suspect not to be a danger to the general public. In other words, the killer was likely known to Emily, and Emily was the only target. The indications are that it had to be someone very close to Emily and that other girls are not in danger, that this attack was specific only to Emily.

The degree of violence and the nature of the attack indicate extreme anger or jealousy directed in a very up close and personal manner. The rope around the neck, a symbol of control.

That in itself may indicate someone who was angered about loosing control over Emily.

The latest discussion attempted to generate a picture of who may have been most angered in some way over the ?changes? Emily seemed to be undergoing at the time. 

It all kept coming back to the boys. Their story had a few problems, which may have been of their own doing, or it may be due to some sort of influence, which came after the fact. The events which ensued after they told they?re story increased suspicion of some sort of obstruction going on, which seemed to include the RCMP as being the facilitators.

Returning back to square one, the boys claimed that they came across the murder in progress. They apparently went to get help immediately, which is supported by the fact that Emily was still alive when the ambulance arrived.

For the two boys to have committed the murder themselves, the question is, why would they then report it right away when they had apparently not even been seen by anyone and Emily was still alive? There could be explanations that would cut either way. Then you have the extreme nature of the attack, garrotting a victim in such an ugly forceful manner takes strength and a degree of anger that?s almost insanely irrational. Unless one of these boys was exhibiting strange tendencies like violence towards animals and such all along, this is almost too much to put on them (apparently 12- 13 years old) for an initial first time introductory murder. To have even generated this degree of anger in the first place, there should have been some sort of a previous ongoing relationship between them and Emily that would have been well know. The boys would there fore be suspects and the RCMP merely waiting DNA and forensic conformation.

 The boys story as it now stands, would appear to exonerate some of the people for whom suspicion would usually fall upon in a situation such as this. The initial description of the killer was of a youngish clean cut male. The hardened vagrant looking poi came afterwards as did the strange girl crying wolf.

So if there is any truth to the boys story, the killer should fit the initial POI description. Emily had a very controlled and structured life style or at least had until she went away to summer camp. By all indications, the killer would have been close to the family or even part of the family in order to have gotten this close to know Emily and her activities. The anger displayed with apparently no rape attempt almost suggests a family member. The initial POI suggests youngish clean cut male. There is an older brother of Emily for whom not much has been said or known. He has apparently been raised in the same fairly controlled environment himself and was accustomed to the girls being under the same sort of control.

The father, the source of  Emily?s control, would also be looked at under normal conditions when rape doesn?t seem to be involved, but he would seem to be exonerated by way of the youngish POI description.

The father seems completely content with the direction the investigation is going and has good relations with the police. He is not calling for any public help to find the killer, he seems OK with the whole town living in terror. What?s up, is that right or normal?

Could it be that the father suspects or perhaps even knows that his son has killed his own sister out of a religiously generated ?righteous indignation? over something maybe kept secret within the family and is covering for him? He has already lost his daughter, he believes in forgiveness from the lord, he doesn?t believe his son would be a danger to anyone else, and this is his eldest son after all.

Could the strange events the bogus second attack, and the second POI be linked to and be evidence of a concerted effort to distract attention from the son of the preacher man, arranged and generated by the preacher? Was the strange girl crying wolf, a member of the congregation, and had the preacher counselled her in the past?

If there was evidence to link the brother to the crime, and the brother?s picture had been shown to the boys, why has an arrest not yet been made???

Somewhere between the actions of the boys and the actions of the cops, something funny is taking place. The family and Emily?s friends should be aware of any disgruntled suitors or boyfriends. This is a small town, almost everything of this nature is known to someone. The boys should have been shown pictures and have likely identified someone if they had no involvement. The cops have gone silent as if they know who it is. The boys would have been placed under witness protection protocals prohibiting them from speaking to anyone about what they saw.

We are beginning to get a fuller picture, the basics have all been identified. We have discussed many possible scenarios and engaged in the process of elimination for any possible or viable suspects.

Since the first day the strange girl showed up crying wolf, and the police allowed that story to be circulated at the most critical of time for an investigation, some of us have suspected that this was the beginning of a campaign of obstruction.

When the RCMP allowed that to occur, for me this also became the first indicator that this murder was going to be covered up as well. For whom and why is all that?s left unanswered for me in that regard??? Who best fits the current profile of the killer and has the connections to generate a diversion and a cover up? Even the premier, Ed Stelmack is aware of and has commented on this case. That shows high level knowledge and involvement, the type of involvement at the levels where decisions of this type are made. The Premiers comments are telling. No one little cop has the ability to pull off a cover up in a case like this. It can only be called for and implemented from the top. 

Obviously, I have lost trust in the direction this investigation has taken. I realize that others still have hopes and harbour beliefs that the cops are on the verge of making an arrest, I have my doubts. I know that looking in this direction will not be especially palatable and is even likely to be offensive for most. This murder and the cover up may even be two separate things and not even connected due to circumstance involving the larger goals and objectives of an organization who?s motives are increasingly being brought under question. Remember Lonnie, the highway of tears discussion? Edson isn?t that far removed. The same investigators are likely involved. Conspiracy thinking such as this is usually the domain of the off balanced and the reason why this sort of thing is seldom mentioned by any of you sane individuals. That in itself can provide the means to get away with it. How many of you feel fool enough to even comment? See!

But unless something changes very quickly, IMO this is how the investigation into the murder of Emily Stauffer will end. I would hope and be glad to see it end otherwise, but I don?t see it happening. It all becomes too little and too late after this point, already the public, the media, the police, and our politicians have gone silent. There are no cries for justice coming from anywhere, not even from Emily?s own family!

When does hope and faith in the integrity and motives of a police investigation officially run out?  Silence like this is what creates conspiracy theories, facts and evidence dispells them. THIS SILENCE DOESN?T CUT IT!   Tick? tick? tick.. ..tick..


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 16, 2008, 11:01:31 PM
After having read the previous post, it prompted me to go back to the beginning, and reread everything that has been written on the murder of Emily so far. The first posts, describe the horror of a young girl murdered in broad daylight, as she walked on her favorite walking trail. The small community of Edson  held in the grip of fear, as police moved in from neighbouring communities to try and catch a killer. It seemed like the shock of this brutal attack hadn't even had a chance to settle, before a second one was reported. It took no time after that, for it to become apparent that the second attack had never happened at all. Police announced that they would not be pressing charges, and that is basically the last the public heard of this bogus attack. Why? In most cases such as this, isn't the person usually charged? Even if she was not charged, doesn't the public deserve some kind of explanation? In the beginning, we had the two boys who witnessed the attack, and ran to get help. Their eye witness accounts resulted in two very different descriptions of the same perpetrator, and thus two very different composite drawings. In a town the size of Edson, if indeed this was a local person, you would think that someone would recognize him. It seems as though in the beginning we heard a lot about this horrific murder and then all the sudden....dead silence. It's been weeks now since anything of any substance has been released in the investigation into Emily's murder. Like D1 said at the beginning of his post "the silence is deafening". As I continued to read on the Emily thread, it became so clear to me, that this silence has left us struggling to try to understand a seemingly senseless and violent muder. With no information forthcoming, we have been left with no choice but to try, on our own, to find some explanation, as to why the life of this beautiful  young girl ended way too soon. Why has it gone so silent? Like D1 said "When does hope and faith in the integrity and motives of a police investigation officially run out"?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 17, 2008, 02:10:13 AM
Like Deb, I too went back and reread the entire thread before writing the last post. When faced with total silence and a complete lack of any new facts or evidence to work with, what do you do? If nothing changes soon we will have nothing more to discuss either, we too will grow silent eventually. It just feels so awful to see it happening right in front of our eyes and be so powerless to do anything about it. None of us knew Emily but I am getting the idea of what it must feel like to have a loved one taken away at such a young age. Who could hate a girl like this, she deserves better but how do you fight the silence?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 17, 2008, 04:57:04 AM


Fantastic thinking you guys. I wonder whowould benefit most from Emilie's death? Someone who has something to hide. Something big, and may involve other people. Something that could lose one's position in the community, perhaps implicate others. Emily grew up, seemed quite spirited and adventurous, actually! Had some great hobbies, and going places.WoW!

Someone who knew her well, and became obsessed with her, couldn't handle the losing control. Sorry D1 ,I sound like you, but bear with me.This would help explain the silence by the Police, if the crime was in any way connected to a Church going town.

What I don't get, is why, the people of that town are not getting petitions, they are not demonstrating at the cop shop, or the court house. The whole friggin' town is scared shitless quiet!!!

I don't buy into the crying wolf gal, and how it was handled.What was it one of the cops said. Look she will not be charged, Changing the subject.What also gets me is the Edson Papers. I checked the web and found a few. Nothing written in them last I looked a week or so ago.

The murder Of Emily Stauffer, so sudden, so frantic, so cruel, and insane with rage, the killer must have known her well.

I don't understand how the boys figure, other than coming across the murder scene, and running away fast. Two suspects, known to them, or not.They are not spoken of either.

The deafening silence you hear, may be the big secret.What the hay is going on there? It is like the investigation is at a stand still, and isn't moving any where fast.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 17, 2008, 02:57:31 PM
 

We need to hear from others in Edson, or surrounding communities. It is not every day, a child, a 14 year old, is suddenly, harshly, and brutally killed., in BRoad daylight, on a well used path.


If the killer is still in the town he msut be showing some signs, of fear, or is laying low, or out there acting as if nothing happened.

I don't yet feel this is a stranger killing, but maybe, then they should have had alerts out also.

I gotta get, this is driving me nuts...RIP  Emily  :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 17, 2008, 05:04:25 PM
I was not aware that Emily had a brother, but that is another scenario being that this girl lived a sheltered life. Also, this person may have been right with her and lured her into going for a walk with him to get her alone, so another scenario is born.  Yes, I believe that if this kind of crime had've happened in a small town that I lived in once, there would be one hell of an uproar and the person would be so scared he would turn himself in. I go along with you people here, the police may have a person's name as the murderer right on their lips, but they cannot give it up yet. I do feel there must be whispers around this small community of what happened. I'm with you, I wish someone from Edson would come on line and give us some idea of why this young lady was murdered. It is now a month and a half since Emily's murder, more news should be forthcoming soon. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: mauvelilac on November 17, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
I was reading Adrian's post, a quote from it: What I don't get, is why, the people of that town are not getting petitions, they are not demonstrating at the cop shop, or the court house. The whole friggin' town is scared shitless quiet!!!

Does this town sound familiar to everyone else? Sounds to me a lot like Lings town. Can we say quietly:
COVERUP! Someone, somewhere, somehow, is hiding something.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 17, 2008, 05:24:20 PM
Yes, Mauve, it does sound like a coverup, but who is covering up??? I do not believe the police in this small community have enough knowhow to solve this murder. They should be calling on vintage detectives to help them solve this murder.  They should also try and get a profiler to indicate what kind of a person would commit this crime. And also as you said, I do not understand why the town is not out on the street with big placards reading, Justice for Emily. They also want to be concerned about the community they live in and to get this murderer off the streets.  This person that commited this crime should be so afraid at this point that he would turn himself in so as not to be cornered by the people in the community. Jail should look good to him, he should want it for protection of himself. It is a month and a half now since Emily's murder, some answers should be forthcoming soon on this.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 17, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
Seems to be something really strange going on in Edson, like Adrian said,
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The whole friggin' town is scared shitless quiet!!!

iTS ALMOST LIKE BEING UNDER A TERRORISM THREAT.
Your kids could be killed at any moment, there are multiple POI's on the loose, and nothing coming out but an erie silence!

We need someone from that town to start talking! From what I have seen in the past, the families that talk and ask for help from the public and plead for justice, are the ones that usually get results. Silence like this just throws a few more shovel fulls of dirt on Emily's grave. Why is the whole town and even the family being so quiet? Who or what has the power to create this?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 17, 2008, 06:48:27 PM
I can't imagine life in this small community ever feeling the same to it's 8,000 residents again. It's been over six weeks since Emily was murdered. In the beginning it looked like the police investigation was going full force, at times having more than forty officers on the case. I think most of us would have thought there would have been an arrest made in the case by now, or at least a viable suspect. Instead, we are left wondering what's happened, as any news on the investigation seems to have come to a grinding halt. There is the possibility that the RCMP does have a suspect in mind. If that's the case, why haven't they acted on it? In one of D1's posts he presents the theory that the RCMP believe the suspect not to be a danger to the general public, that Emily was the target and that no one else is in danger. Their silence speaks to that, and yet we are left wondering. If we, living in our own communities, are struggling to make sense out of this brutal murder, I can't imagine what the people of Edson are going through. I wonder when the silence will be broken.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 17, 2008, 06:51:07 PM
Debbie;
 you make a very serious point -
I do not understand why the town is not out on the street with big placards reading, Justice for Emily. They also want to be concerned about the community they live in and to get this murderer off the streets.  This person that commited this crime should be so afraid at this point that he would turn himself in so as not to be cornered by the people in the community.

and if people in this community are tight-lipped and keeping their opinion to themselves, there's a good chance, as in any small town, that all hands know it's a personal matter (or something worse) and when this air exhists, anybody who even accidently seems to be aware of the killer could be in grave danger....or the killer might get nervous and parenoid enough to go beserk and take a few with him.

something is not right when people are taking this laying down.  I know that only too well.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 18, 2008, 01:05:43 AM
Ahh Ling, not many of us have had the experience or seen this type of thing before to be able to recognize it for what it is. We all know something is wrong, this isn't normal. Adrian calls it "the big secret", the whole town has been silenced by fear. Neither the police nor anyone else is taking the steps to explain whats going on or to quell that fear! By all indications an arrest should have come by now. Somewhere in the silence there's an answer, Emily is telling us something, if we could only hear!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 18, 2008, 03:11:12 AM


Remember the Karissa Boudreau murder? It was in I think N.B., and after a day or two, the police said there is no danger to the community. Her mom said they had a fight, and Karissa left. She was found murdered, nearby where good ole Mom parked the car. Well, Mom is now on trial for murder!!!Her story a lie.

I always wondered if Karissa was going to expose something, and the mom freaked. Karissa wanted to live at her Dad's.

Now with Emily, I wonder many things. Did she meet old friends at camp? Did she confide any conflicts in her life.Was there something going on that Emily became aware of in that town? Something so bad, so bizarre, she was killed, silenced for the knowledge she attained?

Was Emily involved in some thing, that she didn't know how to get out of?She appeared to me, to be a young, vibrant, gentle soul, curious, adventurous, loved music, and on and on...a far cry, away from a gal who was more or less kept close to home.Being home schooled, maybe wanting more socializing, going to church, same people, same old...

Sorry, I am blunt, but this act to me was one of extreme jealousy, and revenge, and a fear so strong, that Emily was killed in broad daylight!!!

Just what was going on in that town, that has managed to scare the people into silence, and most of all her family, who should be screaming at the top of there lungs for justice.

What kind of Church was this she attended? Is their cult activity in Edson? How many churches are there, and why the hay , aren't the cops doing something, except, being secretive, and silent. If they have a suspect, then arrest him. Do something, even if he spits on a side walk, watch his every move, till he screws up. Question kids that Emily knew, question everyone she was in contact with, but DO something!!!!

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 18, 2008, 03:58:54 AM
Just found this, scoping the web, for Edson.

http://ca.local.yahoo.com/results;_ylt=Aov1jvHOadzylAf2jIJYXgDTjQcJ;_ylu=X3oDMTBubWxrNzRyBF9zAzE1MTQ5MDAwMwRzZWMDc2VhcmNo?stx=Cults&csz=Edson%2C+AB&fr=

#  Theories

News: 14 year old girl murdered in Edson, AB in broad daylight! ANother woman attacked! ... by Adrian. Cults. Chris. 5. 142. November 25, 2007, 10:48:48 AM. by ...
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?board=71.0  Also found this, but there is no longer an article. Never heard of this, or what happened.

Westlock, AB

Sep 30, 2008
Fire chief, daughter mistaken for pastor, victim

A "strange and bizarre coincidence" led people in Westlock to confuse a prominent family in their community with the grief-stricken family of Edson homicide victim Emily Stauffer.

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I couldn't find a connection, to Emilie's murder. Strange that this is here...will do more searching tomorrow.??? ??? ??? ???
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Just found this, a co-incidence?

http://mikeoncrime.com/article/11538/strange-coincidence-leads-to-confusion-over-slain-girls-death-in-alberta

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THE CANADIAN PRESS
EDMONTON ? A bizarre coincidence led people in Westlock, Alta., to confuse a prominent family in their community with the grief-stricken family of Edson homicide victim Emily Stauffer.
Westlock fire chief Terry Stauffer said his phone rang off the hook after friends saw his photograph in the Edmonton Sun mistakenly identifying him as the father of the 14-year-old slaying victim.
Coincidentally, the victim?s father is also Terry Stauffer, but he?s a Baptist church pastor in Edson.
Adding to the confusion, Westlock?s Stauffer also has a 13-year-old daughter named Emily.
?My heart has been in my throat every time I read the damn thing,? said Stauffer. ?Then I get phone calls going, ?was that your family?? ?
The Westlock fire chief heard the news of the Edson killing on Sunday evening. He immediately told his daughter Emily about the homicide case. Various family members and Emily?s school principal were also informed that there was no death in the family.
?It?s been a strange and bizarre co-incidence,? said Stauffer. ?He?s a pastor in Edson so he?s well known. I?m the fire chief in Westlock and I?m well known.?
He said he does not believe the two families are related.
(Edmonton Sun)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 18, 2008, 11:59:23 AM
Adrian, the Karissa Boudreau case was in Nova Scotia and the mother is going to court for first degree murder in December. Yes, it was on the news that people in the community did not have to be afraid, because I guess the police knew in the first stages that she was possibly the killer. They worked very hard to get the evidence, which we still do not know how Karissa died, not even to the cause of death, which will all come out in the trial. The case of Emily sure gets weird attention, especially what was posted here in regard to another family with the same names, very unusual. I think the police must be on to something and they possibly are watching someone very closely, that is what I think. I mean it was a couple of months before Karissa's mother was charged. They have to have the real goods or it could throw the case right off the rails. Hope something comes up soon. Keep us informed you friends from western Canada.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 18, 2008, 12:07:58 PM
Adrian's post can't help but make a person wonder what the paralel family life is like in comparison, for sure. ....to think.... it could have in any other light been the other Emily. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 18, 2008, 01:36:27 PM


Hi evryone!  :) Strange about the family in Westlocke.

The first post was my feelings. The second was my trying to get information somewhereon the web. I asked all kinds of questions, went to different websites, or news, and was so tired, I lost an article, that the people of Edson were responding too. It was weird, as the people wanted to be left alone. Will try to find it tonight.

I am just learning how to search, and there are all kinds of things I didn't know.

Back tonight, and love that we are all talking this out. Answers are needed.

Thanks Cape, I was winging it as I wrote. Thanks for the correction on location, for the killing of Karissa Beaudreau.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 18, 2008, 02:18:57 PM
We all want to believe the police will make an arrest shortly and maybe they will. Like cape said-
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I think the police must be on to something and they possibly are watching someone very closely, that is what I think.

The case of Karissa Boudreau has been brought up several times now and has potential similarities. There are also some details from Karrisa's murder that could be helpful in determining what is going on here. I have not found a thread on here to refer to, but going from memory, the police there did tell that community that there was no risk to the rest of the town.

In Edson, there is no such reassurance, there are multiple POI's still being sought, and there was the strange diversion at the onset of the investigation.

it was some time later after Karrisa went missing that Karrisa's body was found.  Karissa was found in water making forensics more difficult, Emily was not. What was the time frame between when Karissa's body was found and when an arrest was made?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 18, 2008, 02:41:32 PM


Am rushing like madd. Read the last 5 posts, and I think Cape said a few months for Karissa'a mom to be arrested.

Sorry D1 I have to go. And yes, hopefully an arrest is made soon!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 18, 2008, 03:14:48 PM
Karissa's body, as far as I know was not found in water. Her body was found in a ditch, but it never mentioned any significant amount of water. I just feel that Emily's killer is someone who is close to her surroundings, if not a relative, someone who knew her family and herself. If police do not have any suspects at this time or feel that they are making progress, an expert profiler should be sought to give some information on the type of person who would commit this crime. This must be solved soon, because the holidays are coming up and people are very inattentive at that time and another crime such as this could happen, that is when those persons attack, when you are happy and getting ready to celebrate. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 18, 2008, 04:11:27 PM
Did some reading about Karissa, the time it takes from evidence collection til forensic results were disclosed, apparently it could take several months .
see-http://www.novanewsnow.com/article-i223347-Karissa-Boudreaus-mother-charged-with-her-daughters-murder.html (http://www.novanewsnow.com/article-i223347-Karissa-Boudreaus-mother-charged-with-her-daughters-murder.html)

Karissa was similar in some ways, one being that the police knew who the suspect was, but did not make the arrest for several months.
The police there informed the public that they were not at risk. Karissa was an only child. There were no witnesses to be placed in danger by leaving the killer out.The mother was eventually charged.

In Emily's case, she has a brother and a younger sister. There are the two boys who apparently saw the killer and witnessed the attack. If the RCMP have a suspect in their sights as it appears, how is it that they do not consider him a risk to reoffend? Anyone who could kill Emily in the brutal manner he did can't be trusted to control himself now, especially if he is one of Emily's family members.. Why have the two POI sketches been left circulating while the town hunkers down in fear?

Things aren't quite the same situation here. Hopefully no one else will be killed before this is over.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 26, 2008, 01:19:03 PM
Killer still walking free....

"That tells me there's still a fair bit of work for investigators to work on," he said, adding: "We cannot get into specifics of any investigation."

Doing so, he said, would be akin to revealing a hand in a game of cards.


By MICHELLE THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA
   

As the hunt for Emily Stauffer's killer stretches into its second month, cops say they're still one tip away from solving the baffling slaying.

Emily, 14, was attacked and killed Sept. 27 while walking along a tree-lined path in Edson.

"Investigators continue to get tips from the public, which is encouraging," said Cpl. Wayne Oakes, of the RCMP K-Division. "It could be that one phone call gives us the (crucial) tip."

The daughter of a local pastor, Emily's slaying made headlines throughout Canada, and sent shock waves through the tiny community of about 8,300.

For a short while, Edson streets cleared as an intense manhunt sent officers combing the town 200 km west of Edmonton for clues.

More than a dozen cops continue to probe the case, Oakes said.

"That tells me there's still a fair bit of work for investigators to work on," he said, adding: "We cannot get into specifics of any investigation."

Doing so, he said, would be akin to revealing a hand in a game of cards.

"The last thing you want to do is show your hand," he said.

Meanwhile, Emily's dad Terry Stauffer has updated his blog, telling readers his daughter's death has helped strengthen relationships within his family.

"So, how are we doing? Pretty well, considering," he writes. "Speaking for myself, I feel a general sense of tiredness and sadness comes and goes. God is good, however, and I am plugging along."
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 26, 2008, 02:06:22 PM
Well, at least it appears that the police are still continuing to investigate Emily's murder. There are still more than a dozen officers on the case, so one would get the impression that they are still sifting through evidence, and more than likely new information is continuing to come in. As time goes by, they will not leave this many officers on the case. Hopefully something can be resolved here before Emily's becomes another cold case. Even the above article doesn't really say anything that we probably didn't already know. We have been left to assume that the RCMP would still be investigating.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 26, 2008, 02:36:12 PM


You know Debs, I have been doing a bit of thinking, and I still wonder, if what the boys saw, was not Emily being attacked there only. I am wondering if Emily was already IN the bushes with this creep, and she fought him hard, and ran stumbled to the path. This so infuriated the offender, he killed her. The boys came at the end. This thing about the bloody rope, was it witnessed by the boys, or was it left in the bushes. Was Emily set up??

I wonder if she had made plans to meet someone there? Some accounts have her walking the path, and the offender walking to her, others don't even get into that.

Who knows what the police are investigating, and I hope they get DNA from ANY suspected POI. It must be hard to live there knowing a guy who killed a young girl, may still be living there. OR it could be someone from elsewhere, who doesn't live there.

Any ideas anyone? I know time has past, but I haven't yet heard of any new deaths of young girls, and suspect that Emily was targetted.If not, then we got us another random killer, that seems to like Alberta.

The differences in the drawings of the guy, doesn't bother me, as often people see things different. The face shape was the same. Hell it must be hard to be a cop!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 26, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
You could be right about the attack happening that way Adrian. At this point no real scenario has emerged so we are left to speculate among ourselves. I tend to agree with something that D1 said in one of his posts, and that is that the police know that Emily was the target, and that the attack had been specific to her. The composite sketches being so different doesn't bother me at all either, as like you said two people can see the same thing very differently.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: solvy on November 26, 2008, 05:26:56 PM
Adrien, the rope was seen by an adult.. read on ..http://www.lastlinkontheleft.com/e2008stauffer.html   This report gives a clearer view of the at the moment scene by another citizen.  Also read at the end what the crimeinologist  sp? and the forensic psychologist have to say about the perp.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 26, 2008, 05:41:25 PM
Thanks for posting that link solvy. There are some good pictures and information on there.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 26, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
These latest links are offering a little better insight into whats been going on. The boys, subject of some speculation earlier on,  appear to be just a couple of regular young innocent small town boys. I think their involvement can be ruled out now at least.

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At about 4:45 p.m. on Saturday, September 27th, 2008 two boys, believed to be aged 9 and 12, were riding their bikes when they came across somebody attacking a young girl on a tree-lined walking trail that runs along Willshire Estates and Old Tiffin, between 17th and 18th Avenues in Edson, Alberta.

Shaken by what they saw, the boys ran to call for help, finding a woman washing her windows.

"You take a minute first to make sure they weren't pulling your leg," the woman later said. "But they were just, they were vibrating."

Police were called.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on November 26, 2008, 08:23:52 PM
Just reading what the profiler said on the site that was provided and she gave comments exactly as I indicated, I feel it is someone that knew Emily and watched her from afar. I do feel it is someone in the community and who knows the area. I do hope that they get the person who committed this crime before too much times goes by. We are coming into the winter season now, so the person may not try this kind of violence in the winter months, hopefully. I think the police will catch up with this person, because it is  not a large community. This perp will do something else, as the profiler said, assaults are not his primary crimes, he is into other crimes as well.  They will probably arrest him on some other violation and bingo, it will all fit in and they will have him cold turkey. Hope so.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on November 26, 2008, 08:52:36 PM
Wow 9 and 12? I was sure I saw 15 or 16 years old before. yes, that would mean those kids are ruled out.

Attention should also be paid to members of the church her father is a pastor of. I've been members of a few churches, and there always tends to be a couple of nut jobs. Those nuts are capable of anything.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on November 26, 2008, 11:11:17 PM
There are some conflicting stories going around about the boys ages. An earlier story said they were a bit older.

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Two boys, about 12 or 13, who reportedly witnessed the attack, ran to a nearby house to call 911, but help arrived too late. The girl was pronounced dead in hospital.

Interesting comments in that article sent in by Solvy, from the criminologist and the psyc,
there was one qualifier for the comments though-

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Assuming the attack was sexual in nature, Jung said the suspect likely commits other kinds of crimes as well.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 27, 2008, 04:18:39 AM

Yikes!! Thanks a lot solvy, this is interesting for sure. Good to see the path, and general area. The comments are also telling.

Capeheart:
I just feel that Emily's killer is someone who is close to her surroundings, if not a relative, someone who knew her family and herself. If police do not have any suspects at this time or feel that they are making progress, an expert profiler should be sought to give some information on the type of person who would commit this crime.

I read thru the links, and saw that Bill Pitt also thinks the killer may be close to her, "closer, than we think". Some of us already have suggested that, and it makes me wonder more if this is the case? The family may know this person; perhaps even well.

The mystery lady who cried wolf?
The people of Edson, were told by the police, not to"Chastise, threaten, or retaliate", against this woman for her "mistake". Ok...? Mistake or lie?Then goes on to say that maybe a drifter came into town, with no knowledge of what had taken place on Sept. 27th/08. Maybe there was an altercation, but more of a woman freaking at seeing a stranger.It still doesn't answer my question of why she was walking alone on the path in the first place. 3 days after Emily was killed????

I thought the boys were 12, and 14? Were the first newspaper articles a guess? Any way they got help, but it was too late for Emily who died on route to the hospital, or at the hospital.

Also it was guessed that a ATV was used, due to a fast get away, while it may have been someone running back home, or riding a bike...what ever.

Seems to me that the perp lives there, or in a close vicinity.
BUT WHY was Emily killed to begin with? What was the motive? Obsession? A psychpath? Deliberate? Perhaps due to something Emily knew?

Sorry everyone, but really it makes me wonder, why that family isn't more out there, and getting posters up all over the areas around Edson. Asking the public to please help, send in any tips, or notice anything unusual about someone they know, anything otherthan this blasted silence!!!The same with the towns people, they are just as quiet. Man, I would like to be a fly on a few walls there...



Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 27, 2008, 05:15:34 AM
I agree; I don't think the killer had to flee very far.  You can't disappear that fast without a real close place to hide.... unless of course, there's no need to hide because it's someone who is suppose to be there.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 27, 2008, 12:26:05 PM
while going through different articles, I recently learned that the Police released a sketch of a person of interest?  I didn't notice this in this thread (I might have missed it while looking at the postings).

This "person" is not considered a suspect

I was just curious if anyone saw this sketch?  this article was dated beginning of October, and haven't found any other information on this sketch, or if they ended up finding this person to interview.

while looking for new updates - and perhaps some information that we haven't come across yet....

I'm going to research that specific area, along with other communities, you never know, we could find a connection somewhere.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 27, 2008, 12:34:59 PM
I spoke too soon.

I found this youtube video - it is dated end of September, so I'm not sure how accurate it is now.  But the sketch is shown on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrV2LYeHqQ

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 27, 2008, 12:45:08 PM
I apologize for any repetive information that I post.

I guess I should look at it this way, if the same article/video/pictures are posted from time to time, who knows maybe it will be a refresher course, and will help someone come up with something new.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on November 27, 2008, 02:23:45 PM


OMG!  I never saw that You Tube Videoe, and it seems fitting for Emily. Thanks so much Syiena ! Don't worry about any repeat post, as we all need reminders at times. Like the ages of the kids for instance!

Seems Emily was a modest, genuine gal who loved her friends and music. She is striking in her allure, with her open nature, and love of music, people, and her belief in God.She is captivating in her independence of going Her way, despite what is happening all over to many teens today.

I don't know much about the Baptist Church; only that they are very strict, in many ways. Thanks for helping us out here.If you have any ideas, toss em in...

I am already leading again to the Church, and her immediate family and friends, for answers.They above all would likely have some sort of theories. questions, what have you...

Take care, Stay safe. Till tonite...thx again.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 28, 2008, 09:35:24 AM
man, I just find it awful, that there's hardly any recently updated news on the internet.   I'm still researching, and I won't stop though.

Question:  did they ever end up finding the person of interest?

Also, did anyone hear about this

"A third incident

At about 11:00 p.m. on October 1st, a woman taking out garbage spotted a large man dressed all in black running back into the woods in the same area where a woman was attacked the day before"

What was become of that?


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 28, 2008, 10:36:21 AM
Hi Syiena, If you read this thread going back a ways, you'll see that there has been frustration about the lack of information on this case, for quite sometime. As far as I know, they have never found the person of interest, at least as far as anything that's been reported. The third incident is also something that I have never heard anything about either, except in this one article. A couple of us wrote posts earlier, that were pretty much about the silence that has surrounded this case. It's very strange how little information is forthcoming, and how silent it has gone.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 28, 2008, 11:08:51 AM
With no disrespect to the many hearts torn in shreds because of this needless murder and terrible loss, I must quote a few observations:
1.  I notice when there is a terrible death and there are affluent community people involved in the scenario, all goes quiet --- as though some folks like to keep personal matters quiet .... especially high profile matters... yes! even murder.  This is so often typical!  I certainly hope the people of Emily's home town aren't gradually boarding that train.

2.  When authorities and media get the "cold shoulder" in these matters, we tend to blame them for not doing the job on behalf of the victim and all who want justice for her.  I certainly hope the authorities and media are not getting the cold shoulder from all those Emily mixed with in the last year of her life.   I can't help but feel the killer has been involved in her life (if only long enough to make a secret impression that would go unnoticed).

3.  If the authorities and media are not in the faces of all in Emily's life in the past, all I can say is ....Get Busy ....You're Getting Nowhere ....Start at these people again .....Ask more questions and pay more attenion to seemingly insignificant facts that didn't seem important before - that could be where an important fact sits.... and most of all  Start turning over rocks....don't wait for everything to be volunteered... that won't happen....got to start digging ....no matter whose toes get in the way of the shovel.              IMHO
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 28, 2008, 11:59:22 AM
Thanks Debbie :) 

I'm very frustrated right now (like you guys too), if they haven't found this person of interest, why aren't they plastering his sketch everywhere, make sure it's on the news sites/internet on a weekly/monthly basis.  Or has it turned out, they did indeed find this person of interest, but never bothered to tell the public about it. 

I agree with Lost - when you mentioned this "If the authorities and media are not in the faces of all in Emily's life in the past, all I can say is ....Get Busy ....You're Getting Nowhere ....Start at these people again .....Ask more questions and pay more attenion to seemingly insignificant facts that didn't seem important before - that could be where an important fact sits.... and most of all  Start turning over rocks....don't wait for everything to be volunteered... that won't happen....got to start digging ....no matter whose toes get in the way of the shovel"

The way I look at it is: Once upon a time - I lost my bank card somewhere in my apartment, I searched high and low for it, everywhere!!  I gave up.  The next day, (after getting a new bank card), I decided to just for fun, search my apartment again, and guess what I forgot about the hamper, and sure enough, my bank card was at the bottom of the hamper.

My point is: people can easily miss something during the first time, if it comes to a time where no new leads come up, then go over all over your information again, and again, and again.  You never know there could be something there that jumps out, and could be a valuable piece of information.



Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on November 28, 2008, 12:14:56 PM
I found a facebook group called "R.I.P Emily Joy Stauffer"  I joined this group.  The admin of the group, has posted newspaper articles, but unfortunately, they are old articles, no updates.

However, on a positive note - there are wall postings from people that didn't even know Emily (people from all over the country) paying their respects and all.  Just amazing how facebook brings people together to mourn the loss of a person that has been taken away from us.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 28, 2008, 12:25:31 PM
as you said Syiena:  "The admin of the group, has posted newspaper articles, but unfortunately, they are old articles, no updates."  .....this is what we are talking about here.... the heck with the old ...... that revealed nothing and led nowhere.  It's wonderful to join in respect and collective mourning ....that means so much to the family and gives then strenght to go on because they know their Emily is alive in the hearts of many many people they wouldn't have dreamed cared.  God Bless the group.
But, as you also noted.... they leave comments there .... this would be a good place, if you already joined, to cut and paste a link to this site ...this topic...or else if you are hoping to not bring up graphic points to those still tender, maybe you could suggest anybody with theories or opinions go to the link ....that way, keep the bleek stuff away from those hurting.  You'll figure it out, I'm sure.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on November 28, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
It could be that the RCMP have found their person of interest, and for reasons unknown to public, may not have released that information. As in any ongoing investigation, information is kept quiet as to not compromise the investigation. The one thing that has been obvious to me from the beginning however, is the fact that RCMP do not act like there is a public threat. That is based on their silence. I keep referring back to something that D1 said in an earlier post. There is a possibility that the suspect is not a danger to the general public, that the killer was most likely known to Emily and that Emily was the specific target. That statement, if true, would indicate that RCMP may have a person of interest that they have not named. It could be that they are just dotting i's and crossing t's, to make sure that everything is in order to proceed.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on November 28, 2008, 01:51:21 PM
sounds logical.... and explains a lot ....hopefully! that's what the silence and inactivity means.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on November 29, 2008, 08:40:12 AM
It could be that the RCMP have found their person of interest, and for reasons unknown to public, may not have released that information. As in any ongoing investigation, information is kept quiet as to not compromise the investigation. The one thing that has been obvious to me from the beginning however, is the fact that RCMP do not act like there is a public threat. That is based on their silence. I keep referring back to something that D1 said in an earlier post. There is a possibility that the suspect is not a danger to the general public, that the killer was most likely known to Emily and that Emily was the specific target. That statement, if true, would indicate that RCMP may have a person of interest that they have not named. It could be that they are just dotting i's and crossing t's, to make sure that everything is in order to proceed.

I would agree with this. Lack of info coming from police in cases like this tends to be a postive thing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 02, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
(XXX) is a friend of my Mom's.  If there's a person of interest the police are keeping that close to their chests.

I haven't read back through all 15 pages of this topic to know if there is an answer to the question on my mind.  I haven't seen one in the papers and people I ask don't seem to know.  Mom has heard much about it from XXX, but still, not the question I ask.  "Was Emily actually sexually assaulted?"  If she wasn't, I think there are two even more horrifying conclusions to draw. 

First being, that there is a man out there who is only interested in randomly killing.  Isn't that a little out of the ordinary?  If he'd been meaning to rape her and the boys had interrupted wouldn't he have dragged her away or dropped her there?  Looking through the eyes of a rapist/murderer isn't it almost a 'waste'?

This second thought has been in my mind since the moment I heard the report.  Perhaps it's because it chills me that I've dreamt of it.  If I knew she had been sexually assaulted I would be able to push the thoughts away.  Children see a lot of violence on television.  They play at violence in games.  It's everywhere.  And it can influence them.  The dog didn't bark so perhaps there hadn't been any screaming or yelling.  What could so catch Emily off guard that she wouldn't have even screamed once?  If the boys who 'ran for help' had actually been the ones who slashed her throat just to see what it felt like to kill, they wouldn't be the first to do so.  I cringe to even look at the thought in text.

(I've decided to use XXX, rather than leave the identity of the inside person)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 02, 2008, 10:03:29 PM
maggie, Like you said, you haven't read the Emily thread. There have always been far more questions than answers in this case. It's worth reading, all fifteen pages.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 02, 2008, 10:40:08 PM
shall do...maybe my answers are in there somewhere
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 02, 2008, 11:21:36 PM
Maggie, unfortunately you won't find a lot of answers in the previous pages, just more questions. We had been wondering what was being said around Edson: the post you left in general discussion is the most we've heard out of Edson so far.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2223.msg20028.html#msg20028 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2223.msg20028.html#msg20028)

The question you ask about the sexual nature of the attack is what we all need to know to be able to put this bizarre murder into some sort of perspective.

We have resorted to speculating on a wide variety of possibilities when faced with total silence from everywhere. That is interesting what you said about the woman claiming the bogus attack. Why would the police even publicize something like that given what was known about her. Thats really like throwing gas on a fire right after the broad daylight murder of a young girl!

We are entering the third month and still no arrest and scant information coming out. This is the approximate time frame when DNA results become known to the police.


In this latest news article, there is a fairly standard clause included.
Quote
We are just one tip away from being able to solve this case.
The suggestion being left is that they just don?t have enough evidence to make an arrest yet. If a tip is required to solve this case, that would appear to rule out forensics. So the RCMP are in effect claiming that they either have no evidence or are preparing us for that eventuality. A blood covered rope may not contain the killers dna. If he wore gloves and Emily was unable to scratch his face or hands, there may not be any DNA. Unless of course, there was a sexual assault. The murder of Barbara Stoppel also employed a rope as the murder weapon, apparently there was no DNA found.

In reading through old RCMP news releases and missing person reports some thing begins to stand out; the clause, ?
Quote
we are one tip away from solving the case
,? is mentioned time after time by the RCMP.

 Like some sort of mantra, you find this same clause being repeated over and over in a variety of cases some of which have become very old cold case files.

For now we have to wait for confirmation, the total silence in this case virtually obligates and requires the RCMP to produce a suspect very soon or they will have in effect shown their hand by their silence.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 02, 2008, 11:43:33 PM
I read 9 pages...and I?m sleepy

The Yellowhead Highway doesn't bypass Edson.  It goes right through.

http://www.townofedson.ca/
If anyone here is psychic enough to pick up information from a picture they might want to go to this site and look at the virtual tours that are offered.  "Walking Trail' is a 360 of some part of the wooden pathway that Emily was walking when she was killed. 

Yellowhead Koinonia Christian School is where she attended class.  You might be able to view it.  (Where did the talk of ?home schooled? come from?) 

Capeheart, I felt as you did.  When my husband told me about the second attack I didn?t even breathe before saying it was a hoax.  Hypnotizing the boys would be really interesting.  Even more interesting would be whether their parents would allow it.

Right DebbieC, just over 8300 for a current population.  That?s not going to take into account that every hotel, motel and campground in the area is full and people are renting out suites by the week to contain the people who have come there for temporary work.  Every time I drive through there?s another hotel built and the ?no vacancy? signs are still up all over the place.

Debbie, I couldn?t agree more with what you said about people fearing just the registered sex offenders.  Why does it take these constant reminders to make parent?s be their children?s guardians?

D1, I think your advice before giving a witness statement is great, but, I have to disagree if you?re implying that the Mounties in Edson are covering up something.  They have a solid and straight reputation out there.

Chris, the elderly woman that you?re thinking of is probably Stephanie Stewart, the 70 year old fire tower lookout who went missing in 2006.

Adrian, you asked where the blood on the rope came from.  My mom has told me that Emily?s throat was slashed seriously enough that she bled to death on the trail before help arrived.  He MUST HAVE had a knife.  The rope was redundant.  I feel the rope is a red herring.

D1.  You ask why the boys would run for help if they?d done it?  Maybe they scared the crap out of themselves?

Adrian, Shelly Anne Bacsu went missing within months of Tanya Murrell in Edmonton. 

To those who wish for the death penalty let me ask you this.  If you believe in a loving and forgiving God/Creator or any sort of afterlife, how can you possibly advocate allowing anyone to slip away to it?  There is a lot that needs to be changed but bringing back the DP isn?t it.

I've added MUST HAVE to my mention of a knife.  Wouldn't it take an incredible amount of pressure to slash a throat with a rope?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 02, 2008, 11:46:17 PM
D1, they'd run with it because even people who cry wolf have had horrible things happen to them.  She actually gave herself scrapes and tears to her clothing.  Can you imagine the position the police would be in if they'd written her off as the nut she is and she had actually fallen victim to something?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 03, 2008, 12:01:56 AM
Thanks Maggie, we never heard of a knife before this either. I know the police had to do something with the second attack but there could have been qualifiers and the first POI sketch needn't have been distracted away from to the degree it was. The supposed victim was a known crazy, there was a viable suspects sketch already circulating. The actual damage done by this is unknown, but there were no arrests. I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with the Edson Police. I doubt that they even have much involvement in this investigation. This is being run by the MCU out of Edmonton I believe.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 03, 2008, 03:27:31 PM


JUST IN::A significant development! Gotta run, will read above tonight, thanks evryone.

By SUN MEDIA
   

Mounties say they'll announce a 'significant development' in their investigation into the slaying of Edson teen Emily Stauffer this afternoon.

The announcement is expected at 3 p.m. in the town 206 km west of Edmonton.

Emily, 14, was attacked and killed Sept. 27 while walking along a tree-lined path in Edson.

The daughter of a local pastor, Emily's slaying made headlines throughout Canada, and sent shock waves through the tiny community of about 8,300.

For a short while, Edson streets cleared as an intense manhunt sent officers combing the town 200 km west of Edmonton for clues.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 03, 2008, 04:13:28 PM
Finally, an arrest!!!
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/RCMP+release+info+Edson+girl+murder/1027016/story.html (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/RCMP+release+info+Edson+girl+murder/1027016/story.html)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 03, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
Fantastic!!!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 03, 2008, 04:47:05 PM
Yes!! This has been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 03, 2008, 06:47:04 PM
It's wonderful that they've arrested someone.  His side of the story is going to be interesting.

My aplogies to the boys who went for help.  I hope you can forgive my insinuations.  This world is full of sick and twisted individuals of all ages.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2008, 07:52:10 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/12/03/edm-stauffer-rcmp-news-conference.html

Edson resident arrested in slaying of Emily Stauffer

An Edson, Alta., resident has been arrested in the Sept. 27 slaying of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer.

The man was arrested Wednesday morning without incident, RCMP said. They did not release his name or any identifying details, as he has not yet been charged.

The man is being held at the RCMP detachment in Edson.

At an afternoon news conference, assistant commissioner Bill Smith of RCMP K Division said police would like to lay charges as soon as possible.

"But we need to respect some of the ongoing activities that are continuing with the investigation," Smith said.

Attacked in daylight
The arrest was the first major break in the two-month investigation that followed Stauffer's slaying.

"I think there's a great deal of relief," Smith said.

"Any homicide is unfortunate. However, the homicide of a young, vibrant teenager is...particularly disturbing, I'm sure, for anybody. So certainly there's a sigh of relief for not only the community and the family, but for the police as well."

RCMP investigators combed through a house in Edson, Alta., on Wednesday. Police announced an Edson man has been arrested in connection with the slaying of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer. (CBC) Stauffer was attacked by a man in broad daylight along a popular walking path in northwest Edson, which is about 200 kilometres west of Edmonton.

Smith read a written statement from Emily Stauffer's parents, Terry and Juanita Stauffer, to reporters at the news conference.

"As a family we are thankful for the significant progress the RCMP has made in the investigation of Emily's murder," the statement said.

"Together, with our community, we are encouraged by the announcement made today. We would like to express our thanks to the RCMP for their extraordinary work in seeing this case through to this point."

As police made the announcement at the council chambers in Edson, RCMP investigators clad in white suits and booties combed through a bungalow that was surrounded by police tape.

The house is about five blocks away from where Stauffer lived with her family.

Edson Mayor Greg Pasychny said there is a sense of relief in the community.

"Today's a good day, without question," he said. "Definitely there's a sense of relief when someone's arrested.

"I think when someone is formally charged that may change the relief even more ... we definitely can get to normality in our community."
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2008, 07:52:49 PM
I sort of sensed the police knew who, just waiting on getting enough proof. I am sure those in the town are relieved now.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on December 03, 2008, 10:47:44 PM
Congratulations to the Edson Police Force, this is absolutely good news. I am estatic for you in that community to have got this murderer. I felt that you possibly were on to something, because there wasn't much news about it on here. I almost feel as if I am living in that community and am so happy for all of you. I just want to express my sympathy and thoughts to the family again and I know they must feel relief at the capture of this man. :o :o :( :( :( :'( :'( :'( ??? ??? :'( :'( :'( ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 03, 2008, 11:05:28 PM
I didn't know if this story would have been national and I didn't notice it here, so, while we wait to learn more about the arrest let me show you an incredible coincidence.  (Westlock and Edson are about 2 hours apart)

EDMONTON ? A bizarre coincidence led people in Westlock, Alta., to confuse a prominent family in their community with the grief-stricken family of Edson homicide victim Emily Stauffer.
Westlock fire chief Terry Stauffer said his phone rang off the hook after friends saw his photograph in the Edmonton Sun mistakenly identifying him as the father of the 14-year-old slaying victim.
Coincidentally, the victim?s father is also Terry Stauffer, but he?s a Baptist church pastor in Edson.
Adding to the confusion, Westlock?s Stauffer also has a 13-year-old daughter named Emily.
?My heart has been in my throat every time I read the damn thing,? said Stauffer. ?Then I get phone calls going, ?was that your family?? ?
The Westlock fire chief heard the news of the Edson killing on Sunday evening. He immediately told his daughter Emily about the homicide case. Various family members and Emily?s school principal were also informed that there was no death in the family.
?It?s been a strange and bizarre co-incidence,? said Stauffer. ?He?s a pastor in Edson so he?s well known. I?m the fire chief in Westlock and I?m well known.?
He said he does not believe the two families are related.
(Edmonton Sun)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2008, 01:22:43 AM
Wow, that is a strange coincidence.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 04, 2008, 08:23:20 AM
That is fantastic news!   I wonder if the person they arrested was one of the two people of interest?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 04, 2008, 11:18:34 AM
Great news yesterday, but now for the next stage; our justice system. For all the board members who participated in or followed this thread, the next while will be extremely interesting and educational. This was quite an unusual crime; a broad daylight murder of a young woman on a public trail in a small town, sixty eight days from the time of the murder to an arrest. With almost no information to go on we followed the investigation from start to finish, along the way discussing almost every possible scenario that one could imagine. In hindsight now, we will get to see which indicators were the most valuable and how each little tidbit of information fit into the final picture. First thing will be to see how close the suspect matches the original sketch. Man those boys must be relieved with this arrest..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2008, 11:44:02 AM
I'm waiting to find out the various other things that he's done through his life that family and friends never reported because they didn't want a 'great guy' to get in trouble.

The Edmonton Sun updated the story less than an hour ago.  I hope the picture attaches

Ross Edward Kleman, 43, of Edson, has been charged with first degree murder. Mounties announced yesterday afternoon he'd been arrested.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 04, 2008, 11:51:26 AM
I wonder what position he played in Emily's life.  ...an older mentor, a trusted neighbor, a sick admirer gone over the edge????  If it was him who did this to that young girl, I would love to spend a few minutes alone with him too.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 04, 2008, 01:23:40 PM
Some of the details are beginning to leak out. The suspect lists church activities as one of his main interests. Was he a member of Emily's congregation?
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/12/04/7626451-sun.html (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/12/04/7626451-sun.html)
Police disclose forensics played a role in the arrest.
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Police said forensic evidence found at the scene, alongside extensive interviews, led them to arrest this suspect.


Quote
Kleman works as an equipment operator at the town?s public works office. On his Facebook page, he identifies himself as an avid churchgoer with a passion for gospel music.


Police say it was not a random attack.
Quote
Oakes said the nature of the charges suggest police believe the attack was not random.

"If you look at the context of first-degree murder it does indicate a need for some degree of planning and preparation," he said. "To what extent that existed, again, that's actual evidence that will have to be presented in court."

from- http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/12/04/edm-man-charged.html (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/12/04/edm-man-charged.html)


from- http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Update+Edson+charged+with+murder/1031456/story.html (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Update+Edson+charged+with+murder/1031456/story.html)

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Kleman recently married a Filipino woman. He travelled to her home country to meet her family, said his cousin Mary Ann Hoefling.

It was his second marriage after a first marriage to a woman he tried to help get off the streets dissolved, Hoefling said. She said she hasn?t seen Kleman in person for years, but that he had spent several years finding God and hoping to become a church pastor.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2008, 02:28:07 PM
here's his facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Ross+Kleman&init=q&sid=5a8313c86f816f4467f97d8118f9735d#/profile.php?id=1227058340&hiq=ross%2Ckleman
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 04, 2008, 02:46:54 PM
strange friends haven't deleted him by now!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 04, 2008, 03:32:41 PM
The first degree murder charge here indicates that this was not a random attack. That possibility was discussed fairly early on in this thread. It was said that the fact that RCMP had gone so silent, spoke to the possibility that they did not perceive a public threat, that the killer was most likely known to Emily and that Emily was the specific target. We now have to wonder if the killer attended Emily's church, seeing as he was an avid churchgoer. We were beginning to lose hope that Emily's murder would be solved. The ongoing silence led some of us to believe that the RCMP may have had a suspect that they had not named. Now it appears that was the case. While the public was growing restless, and wondering what was taking so long, they were working quietly to making sure everything was in order to proceed. It was encouraging to see how many officers remained on this case, even after more that two months. The fact that there has been an arrest must bring some measure of peace to Emily's family.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 04, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
I am most interested in learning more of the facts. First degree isn't the most common charge nowadays so the evidence must be very compelling. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the Crown and and Judge can carry on from, what can only be called a significant RCMP investigation, to see this offender receive the maximum sentence available.

Here's to a major case NOT finding a long term home on the unsolved murder portion of this board!

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 04, 2008, 05:44:43 PM

haunted

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I am most interested in learning more of the facts. First degree isn't the most common charge nowadays so the evidence must be very compelling. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the Crown and and Judge can carry on from, what can only be called a significant RCMP investigation, to see this offender receive the maximum sentence available.

Here's to a major case NOT finding a long term home on the unsolved murder portion of this board.

You sure got that right! It is a big relief for sure, that Emilie's killer has been found!The gotta have a lot of evidense for a 1st degree murder charge. They must have the right person. I think we all did well on this thread.

BTW us all, we gave many ideas, perceptions, and theories. I do believe this guy is connected to Emilie's church. He probably was obsessed with her.I think she knew and told him to get lost, and he snapped. I also wonder about all the evidense they took out of two houses.

R.I.P. Emily Stauffer
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 04, 2008, 06:29:30 PM


I understand this guy was married. The police took a lot of evidense out of two houses. I wonder if he started behaving strangely after the death of Emily Stauffer. Could his wife have turned him in? Could he have confessed?

I know you are innocent until proven guilty, but this fellow has been charged. Would be good to get some facts.The town of Edson, must be relieved.Plus Emilies family has to deal with the trial and all, and will need help in staying strong.I believe their faith will guide them along.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 04, 2008, 07:04:01 PM


My son, who was watching the news, said that the man accused, and charged, had a heart attack five days after the slaying of Emily Stauffer. He also had a brain tumour. Back later.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on December 04, 2008, 07:19:02 PM
It sure is interesting that this man is charged with FDM. He must have been watching Emily for a while. He was hiding behind religion, but all the time was acting like the devil. It was on our local  radio that a man had been charged with Emily's murder, but they did not name him. This goes to show how dangerous it is for these women that are from other countries to just up and marry someone they don't know. These kind of criminals just hide in plain sight and it sure is great that the police solved this case so quickly. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 04, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
funny you should mention that cape; it seems there's a lot of pervs bringing in young brides from rough countries. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 04, 2008, 09:49:27 PM
May have to include this trait in the indicators to watch for department. Sounds like he wasn't having much luck with the local women, geez I wonder why??

I hope this wasn't true-
 from adrian -
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the man accused, and charged, had a heart attack five days after the slaying of Emily Stauffer. He also had a brain tumour.


That won't auger well for a conviction on a fdm charge.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2008, 11:01:27 PM
On tonight's news they showed the Mounties taking him back to the scene of the crime.  He's at least a foot shorter than either of the guys holding his arms and really quite scrawny.  I don't think he's a religious fanatic.  I think he's a little man with grandiose fantasies and Emily must have fit into those in some way.  He didn't just want to belong the the church, he reportedly aspired to be pastor.  I wonder if he thought Emily's family would leave with their grief and he would save their flock by leading them? 

I think he just made a show of being christian.  His facebook page really overdoes it on the references.  I find it odd that he had a statue of Jesus as well as a plastic reindeer on his front lawn.  Most fundamentalist christians don't reduce Jesus to lawn art and they aren't that keen on the Santa side of Christmas.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2008, 11:19:17 PM
I was reading the messages left on this man's facebook 'wall' it looks like at least one woman was beginning to doubt & question his brain tumour story.

I haven't heard anything on this end about a heart attack.  I'd like to hear that from the Edson doctors.  He joined facebook on Nov 15.  Even with family on his site and posting on his wall nobody asked how he's feeling.  Wouldn't it be natural that someone would have mentioned it?

I get the impression that this man was screaming for attention.  There's another theory on why he'd do something like this.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 04, 2008, 11:30:37 PM
strange friends haven't deleted him by now!

Well, he had 14 friends this afternoon.  Tonight he had 8 and one of those blinked out in front of me.  I've never known anyone charged with a major crime.  I can't imagine what it must be like to see someone you know and trust on the news for something as heinous as this.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 04, 2008, 11:59:14 PM
Sick little bastard anyway you look at him.
Wanting to be a preacher and take over the flock? I suspect it was just one of the cute little lambs he was interested in.

Maggie re:
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I get the impression that this man was screaming for attention

So apparently was the woman who claimed the second attack. Wonder if they knew each other?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 05, 2008, 01:29:00 AM
I know the police and prosecuter are not going to leak anything about this case, but I hope we do find out what and how they knew each other. I am thinking this was a religious nut who was sort of isolated from that church her father led. This could have been a revenge thing since no sex assult seems to have happened.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 05, 2008, 08:37:40 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/12/05/7640861-sun.html

Sometimes, Emily Stauffer's accused killer would retreat deep into the wilderness, stretch onto a hammock and read aloud from his favourite book: the Bible.

Other times, Ross Kleman would boil into rages of violence and obsession - particularly with blonds - charges his ex-wife.

"He is not a saint," his former partner, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Sun Media. "I know the real him.

"He had everybody fooled. And that's what I told the cops."

Kleman, 42, has been accused of slaying Emily Stauffer, the 14-year-old attacked and killed in broad daylight while walking along a popular trail Sept. 27.

The death of the deeply religious pastor's daughter crippled Edson with fear as streets cleared and people retreated into their homes.

But the town 200 km west of Edmonton soon banded together, raising a reward pot topping $30,000 for tips leading to the arrest and conviction of Emily's killer.

It isn't yet clear whether that money will be claimed.

When Kleman's ex learned young Emily was blond-haired, she immediately called police and told them about her former lover.

The woman, who is blond, told Sun Media her ex-husband was obsessed with blonds - once allegedly stalking one in Nova Scotia - and often took his anger out on fair-haired women.

She had a blond-haired aunt, Margaret Findlay, who was slain near Edson six years ago.

Findlay's bones were discovered scattered across hectares of land - and Kleman was the one who discovered them, she said.

The case remains unsolved.

Right now, Kleman is married to a Filipino woman named Deama, with whom he owns two homes in Edson.

They shared one - dressed with Christmas decorations, including a Jesus statue - and rented out the other.

Before Deama, Kleman wandered the streets of Edson single and on the verge of homelessness, his ex-wife said.

After Kleman connected with some church friends in the early 1990s, his then-pregnant ex said she was pressured into marrying him. The baby wasn't his. Their relationship didn't last long.

Kleman's ex said she never even loved the Quesnel, B.C. native.

"(He lived) a life of lies," she said. "He knows how to hide his feelings."

But Kleman's pastor, Jim Findlay, shared a different opinion about the accused killer.

"Ross was just like a son to me," said Findlay, who leads the Bread of Life Mission Church. "I don't believe what he's been charged with (is true).

"You couldn't make him mad. He never got mad."

Years ago, Kleman would take regular trips to a church cabin about 20 km outside Edson, relaxing on a hammock while reading Bible passages, Findlay said.

He said a squirrel would scurry up, and perch itself on a branch above Kleman's shoulder as he read aloud.

"Just him and the squirrel," Findlay said.

And when the Bread of Life Mission Church - which helps homeless people - needed renovations, he said Kleman was quick to step in to help.

Kleman also sent gifts to developing countries, he said, and travelled throughout northern Alberta to promote his Christian faith.

About a month ago, Kleman woke to find himself paralyzed on one side; his doctor confirmed tumours were growing on his brain, Findlay said.

He was planning to meet with a specialist before being arrested and charged with first-degree murder.



Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on December 05, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
It came on our news this a.m. local, that this man charged with Emily's murder was involved in finding a mutilated body of a woman, in that area in 2002, that murder was never solved. I would say that the police maybe looking at him at this time as a possible suspect in that other crime. The woman's name was given on the news, but I do not recall what her name was. This news is quite interesting and we will await what comes of it. Would like to hear any posts from the west as to what is going on there, keep us informed guys. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 05, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
Hey Cape - I think that was mentioned in the article I just posted.

"The woman, who is blond, told Sun Media her ex-husband was obsessed with blonds - once allegedly stalking one in Nova Scotia - and often took his anger out on fair-haired women.

She had a blond-haired aunt, Margaret Findlay, who was slain near Edson six years ago.

Findlay's bones were discovered scattered across hectares of land - and Kleman was the one who discovered them, she said.

The case remains unsolved."


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 05, 2008, 11:24:47 AM
There could be more to come yet; were not the Edmonton police once looking for a SK described as an outdoors type, hunter/fisherman who frequented the area?

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Kleman also sent gifts to developing countries, he said, and travelled throughout northern Alberta to promote his Christian faith.

In the latest news article we can now see that the police were indeed aware of Kleeman right from the start.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 05, 2008, 11:37:15 AM
I was wondering the same thing about other possible victims. The fact that this was such a brutal attack makes me think that this may not be an isolated incident. Another creep hiding behind religion.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 05, 2008, 11:41:38 AM
I am not sure how long Kleman lived in the Edson area but I wonder if he could have been involved in Stephanie Stewart's disappearance near Hinton as Hinton is not very far from Edson.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 05, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
Good question haunted, although Stephanie Stewart is still just missing, it doesn't look good. From what we know Kleman may just kill for the sake of it. We don't even know if there was any sexual motivation in Emily's murder or if he killed for the sake of killing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 05, 2008, 12:10:12 PM
I can't quite get my head around the lack of any apparent sexual motive for this murder. Maybe we just don't know all of what went on or was about to go on. Maybe the boys coming across him when they did, caused the events to unfold in a manner other than was planned?

The boys claimed Emily was being strangled when they came across her, but recently we learned that her throat had been cut and she bled to death. The killer knowing he had been seen may have changed plans right then.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 05, 2008, 12:13:43 PM
Agree. Typically these who have such a hatred against women wish to degrage the women in some sexual way for power or revenge or whatever else it could represent. I don't think he planned it to work out the way he did.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 05, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Absolutely, his original motivation may have been sexual. I wonder if Emily fought so hard that it infuriated him and he killed her, or if the boys interrupted his intention to rape her. Makes me wonder why he was carrying a knife in the first place.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 05, 2008, 12:45:28 PM
Kleman's obsession with blondes, his sly tempernment, his obsession with religion (twisted to suit his needs), his clear inability to survive without a woman as a stablizer, I could go on on on - by what we have learned about this type of personality in other cases, it seems to me that he fits the profile of a serial killer.  And we don't know the half of it.  I'm sure we would all like to be in the position to check into his activities for the last ? of years.....where he travelled, where he stayed, what he drove, if he changed his appearance for periods of time etc.  ....Lord only knows how many possible missing and murdered would pop up with all his particulars fed into a data base.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 05, 2008, 01:23:29 PM


I haven't heard any more, either, that he had a heart attack. My son must of heard wrong, unless he had that tachacardia, which makes a person feel they are having a heart attack. I know a woman who used to have that when she was stressed out. or spent too much money..

The brain tumor business bothers me tho', as the defense can use that.We got us Stephanie Stuart from Hinton, who worked at the firetower, as a look out, missing.Then we have the scattered up remains of Margret Findlay.This was his ex wife's Aunt? And he finds the remains???

Ok, wonder if he came up this way. We have Melissa Munch, blonde, and Brianna Torvelson, blonde, both left in the killing fields of Sherwood Park. Well this is certainly a wtf moment!

Now I wonder if he picked up sex trade workers, and if he ever headed up this way to Edmonton, or even Calgary.I have to get a map, I don't have it clear in my head where Edson,or Hinton is. Is it near the Saskatchewan boarder? We got missing women their too. What did he drive? Did he drive? What kind of vehicle?

This guy may be a prime suspect in the slayings of many woman, teens. How long has he been active? Holy ! I'm going to hit the web a bit. I sure hope they don't release this guy on bail.

Be back later.

(hugs) to the Stauffer family...it looks like the killer of Emily has been found.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 05, 2008, 01:37:07 PM
It came on our news this a.m. local, that this man charged with Emily's murder was involved in finding a mutilated body of a woman, in that area in 2002, that murder was never solved.
Isn't this what Svelka claimed as well?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 05, 2008, 01:42:48 PM
he did display and M.O.  ----the rope to tie her hands .... the knife, probably,he always carried one... would have used it to cut off a piece of rope at some point.  I truly don't think he intended to kill her there. I think she fought so hard, he couldn't tie her.... and then...the boys...one last swipe...as she could identify him .... and he had to get out of there quickly.

I agree with previous post ... it never went as he planned.  But for the grace of God, and those boys happening along, I wager she would either be missing still; or else her body would have been scatterd.... and maybe even where others have already been found.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 05, 2008, 01:50:37 PM
From all indication, this guy was quite small, Emily may well have been able to put up a good fight. I wonder if he had an atv (quad) hidden in the bush and the plan was to tie her up and haul her away?

Svelka did claim the same as this guy. The profile of the Edmonton SK is at
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2199.msg17525.html#msg17525 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2199.msg17525.html#msg17525)

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 05, 2008, 02:20:20 PM
So Kleman is the one that found the body of Margaret Findlay who happened to be his ex-wife's Aunt, Margaret Findlay was a cousin to Pastor Jim Findlay who just happened to be close friends with Kleman.

Wow, I think you're right guys, I think we and the Police better start doing some research, because now i'm starting to feel that there could be possibly more victims.

Awful.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 05, 2008, 02:23:46 PM
got my answer to the question I asked earlier.

Although the accused lived a few blocks from the Stauffers' home, police said they don't believe the families knew each other well.

"It's a small community and it's not believed that there was any strong degree of acquaintance between this individual and the Stauffer family. Whether or not they knew this person, I don't know," Oakes said. "If you look at the context of first-degree murder, it does indicate a need for some degree of planning and preparation."

Kleman was known to police in a "very minimal way," and "not in the context that the media and the police typically understand," Oakes said, adding he could not elaborate.

Although charges have been laid and police say they do not believe anyone else will be charged in the case, they are still searching for two persons of interest depicted in sketches released in September.  
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: raisinpie on December 05, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
I am interested in knowing what his "friends" are saying on fb.  Can anyone update or copy and paste any posts?  Just curious and wanting all the information we can get our hands on...... Maggie, I think you were on his fb... most of us couldn't access his fb since he'd have to add us and I guess he just can't do that right now!  Or hopefully for a long. long time!

Many men (and maybe some women - I only know one!) pick up or marry foreign minority women, since they make really good servants and are desperate to get out of their country and are very eager to please western men - pleasure in every way possible.  I trust that Kleman's wife has learned a lesson here!

Prayers for the Stauffer family.... may God bless you...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 05, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
So his first marriage was to a woman he tried to get off the streets. He must have been angry when they divorced.

It was his second marriage after a first marriage to a woman he tried to help get off the streets dissolved, Hoefling said. She said she hasn?t seen Kleman in person for years, but that he had spent several years finding God and hoping to become a church pastor.

I wonder if his twisted thoughts, if he is responsible for the STW's deaths here.I hope they check his DNA.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on December 05, 2008, 06:13:14 PM
I am interested in knowing what his "friends" are saying on fb.  Can anyone update or copy and paste any posts?  Just curious and wanting all the information we can get our hands on...... Maggie, I think you were on his fb... most of us couldn't access his fb since he'd have to add us and I guess he just can't do that right now!  Or hopefully for a long. long time!

Many men (and maybe some women - I only know one!) pick up or marry foreign minority women, since they make really good servants and are desperate to get out of their country and are very eager to please western men - pleasure in every way possible.  I trust that Kleman's wife has learned a lesson here!

Prayers for the Stauffer family.... may God bless you...


Looks as if his facebook account has been deleted.

CraftyGal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on December 05, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
Here is a map of where the Bread of Life is located in Edson. Notice that it is located on Highway 16.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Bread+of+Life+mission+in+Edson&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&z=14 (http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Bread+of+Life+mission+in+Edson&ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&z=14)

Where Edson is in relation to Edmonton.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Edmonton+to++Edson&sll=53.583845,-116.426582&sspn=0.022929,0.076218&ie=UTF8&ll=53.543572,-114.955444&spn=1.468879,4.87793&z=8 (http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Edmonton+to++Edson&sll=53.583845,-116.426582&sspn=0.022929,0.076218&ie=UTF8&ll=53.543572,-114.955444&spn=1.468879,4.87793&z=8)

CraftyGal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 05, 2008, 09:00:54 PM
The article I read this morning is very similiar to the one posted here, but, his ex-wife's references to his mother are missing.  His mother was BLONDE, fanatically religious, overbearing, mean and a bunch of other nasty things.  Thanks mom, looks like your boy is trying to erase you. 

I had only heard that his exwife was pregnant by another man, that he knew about it but that her pastor uncle sort of pushed her into a loveless union that didn't last too long.

Tonight a short interview with the uncle appeared on the news.  Klemen loves god so much that violence just isn't a possibility.  Spare me!  He related that when they were doing a search for Margaret that Ross had just stepped behind a bush to pee and stumbled upon the remains.  Divine guidance?  I doubt it.

Yup, Edson is 2 hours down the road and on the opposite side of the city from where the bodies are being recovered.  It's wide open divided hwy at 110 kph (which means you can do 119 kph without getting a ticket.  Most of my family does it in an hour and a half.

The thing that I'd say was missing if he was the Edmonton SK would be that it seems odd for him to repeatedly 'kill his mother' with these blonde religious women and also be saving the souls of prostitutes.  But then, he might well have a few personalities on the go here.

Again, I think the tumour is hogwash and attention seeking.  I doubt there will be a note for any doctor to get a judge to cut him some slack.

Nobody I know out there has ever heard of the guy, so, no help from there.  It sounds like he was a stalker in Nova Scotia, so, there might be something to learn out that way.


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 05, 2008, 09:17:26 PM
Now, let me see what I recall from his facebook.

The pictures struck me as odd.  As if they were a little posed.  Happy and smiles at the Athabasca Falls in Jasper.  A picture of his living room looking way too perfect, yet, just at the edge you could see where the mess began.  I know where the house is.  It's a slightly dilapidated part of the old town.  Ohhhhhh, this just came into my head.  They own another house in town that is rented out.  They live in this one and it just happens to be right near where the old drive thru ice cream place that everyone and their dog would stop at used to be.

Most of his friends seemed churchy, except for the one whose facebook photo was just her deep red lips and her even deeper cleavage.  That didn't fit in with all the wholesome stuff going on there.

On facebook, there is this area called the 'wall'.  (I hate it, I still haven't even found mine on my own facebook page)  Anyway, you get to see random conversation bits.  One woman there was questioning him about his brain tumour.  I recall that she asked why he wasn't having surgery already since he'd had 2 MRIs rather than going for yet a 3rd MRI.  (is there a Canadian here who has had access to 3 MRIs in a month without being in the hospital semi comatose?) 

He tried to be funny.  He had posted a bunch of rather lame pictures and wanted people to come up with captions.  He was the only one who did.  He just wasn't funny and in a scary sorta way.  I sensed he would be angry if nobody laughed.

Laying in a hammock at the church cabin and communing with squirrels doesn't make you outdoorsy.  My sister is due here any minute and she knows the lay of that land.  I'm curious where the cabin is.


As I mentioned, none of his friends or family enquired about how he e
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 05, 2008, 09:41:09 PM
A bit of news from those in the loop in Edson. 

Yes, he lives by the where the Little Igloo was.  It was a kid magnet. The home he shared with his wife was a day home.  My niece knows people who entrusted his wife with their children.

My sister knows the grief counsellor whom Ross consulted when finding Margaret Findlays body traumatized him.

He was recently questioned about 'touching' a child in town.  I wonder if he gave a DNA sample that tied him to skin cells on the rope?

My sister was referring to him finding the native woman in the brush behind where my mom lives.  She had very blonde hair.  Apparently Margaret Findlay had aboriginal ancestry.  I can't find her mentioned in the group.  But, if I just hadn't found her yet, could Chris link these two together somehow?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 05, 2008, 09:52:07 PM
Now, my heart really goes out to the boys who tried to get her help.  They looked down the trail and saw a man with his hands on her throat and they saw blood.  The first house they ran to didn't believe them.  That they couldn't save her is wearing on them and affecting their school work.  They need to forgive themselves.  They did all that they could.  From what I've heard she bled out too quickly to be saved.  Again, I'm sorry for any negative energies that might have felt from people like me who suspected them.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 05, 2008, 09:55:37 PM
This is a lot of the same, but, a few more details

Published: Friday, December 05, 2008
EDMONTON - The man accused of murdering a pastor's teenaged daughter in Edson was once a travelling preacher who carried the word of God to work camps, his friends say, and years ago married a pregnant woman to help her escape life on the streets.

Six years ago, Ross Edward Kleman found a woman's body, the cousin of a close friend, in the woods near Edson.

Pastor Jim Findlay said Kleman found the body when he stepped off a trail to urinate. He then ran to the road and called police.

It shook him up pretty bad," Findlay said.

Kleman was charged Thursday with first-degree murder in the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer.

On Thursday afternoon, RCMP officers led Kleman in handcuffs down the Edson trail where Emily Stauffer was murdered on Sept. 27.

"If the public or the media sees this individual out in the public with police, rest assured he is in custody and it is part of the ongoing investigational process," Cpl. Wayne Oakes said.

The portrait of Kleman that emerged from interviews with friends and family Thursday and from postings on his Facebook page was of a man who loved gospel music, enjoyed fishing and hiking in the woods, and listed "church" as his No. 1 interest and activity.

Findlay said he has known Kleman for 16 years and lived with him for about a decade. It was Kleman who found the body of the pastor's cousin, Margaret Helen Findlay, on Oct. 16, 2002. The woman was also the aunt of Kleman's ex-wife.

Margaret Findlay, 38, was identified through DNA testing six weeks after Kleman found her body. At the time, RCMP said her death was suspicious. She was last seen in September of that year. Her body parts were likely scatted by animals. No cause of death was released.

Findlay said his family often talked with Kleman about the discovery, and debated featuring her death on America's Most Wanted. No one has been charged in connection with her death.

Findlay said as part of their work at the Bread of Life mission in Edson, he and Kleman often travelled to northern Alberta to preach at work camps and on reserves. The pair would travel from town to town and preach in tents or tiny town halls.

During this period, Findlay said, Kleman worked as a volunteer and acted as his "right-hand man."

"I know him just as well as anybody. He is a very devoted person and the nicest guy ever. I've literally seen him give the coat off his back to someone. I've seen him lend his car to a woman with no other way to get to work."

Findlay said he knows the Stauffers well, but said Kleman only had a passing acquaintance with the family. Since the murder, Findlay said he and Kleman had talked about the case and how they both hoped the killer would be caught.

Findlay said he was shocked to hear of Kleman's arrest, and has no doubt about his innocence.

"I didn't believe it and I still don't," he said. "It will have to be proven to me. Everyone who comes to our church doesn't believe it. The phone is ringing off the hook."

Before his arrest, Kleman worked as an equipment operator for the town's public works office. On the Facebook page Kleman created Nov. 15, he identifies himself as an avid churchgoer with a passion for gospel music. He wrote that he loves hiking and swimming, "but most of all, helping people when possible."

He lists the Bible as his favourite book.

"Some call me lazy and some call me crazy," he wrote on the page. "You tell me what you think and if you can't decide, ask my wife ... Ha ha ha!"

Kleman also occasionally attended the Bethel Pentecostal Family Worship Centre in Edson.

"He appeared to be a very gentlemanly individual," Pastor Larry Tollefson said. "When I heard, I thought the cops had the wrong man. I thought, 'No way, this is a mistake.' "

Kleman was not a regular member of the centre's congregation, but occasionally showed up for services, Tollefson said.

He also sporadically attended Sacred Heart Catholic Parish. Kleman's wife is reportedly a devoted Catholic.

Findlay first met his longtime friend when Kleman was working at an Esso station in 1992.

"I grew to like him," he said. "He came to church with me and my wife. He came to live with us, adopted us as parents."

Kleman helped Findlay refurbish a home for social housing along with the mission building itself.

He lived with the Findlays off and on until about four years ago, when he moved in full-time with his second wife, a Filipino woman named Deama.

His first marriage was to a pregnant woman who lived on the streets before Kleman helped her.

Eventually, the two married and Kleman helped raise her son for a time.

"The two of them went fishing and that boy would hang off Ross's neck," Findlay said. "He loved Ross."

Kleman's ex-wife, Patricia Plante, said they were set up by family members and married in 1995. They lived in Nova Scotia for several years before she left him. Their divorce was finalized in 2003, she said.

"He showed a face and a side to the world that he wanted people to see. But it wasn't the real him," she said. "I saw the real him, but he had put up this front for so long that he had everybody fooled."

She has been interviewed several times by detectives about the Stauffer homicide over the past two months, she said.

Plante said Kleman was an avid outdoorsman who hiked in the woods around Edson several times each week.

Kleman was raised by his grandmother in Greenwood, B.C., which was where he learned devotion to God and found a need to help others, Findlay said.

On his Facebook page, Kleman wrote "Walk by faith and not by sight," a quote from 2nd Corinthians, 5:7.

A month ago, as police searched for Emily Stauffer's killer, Kleman lost all feeling and movement in the left side of his body, Findlay said.

"He could hardly move, he could hardly speak, he was in bad shape."

His friend recovered for two weeks at University Hospital, Findlay said, and regained his movement and speech. He was still noticeably frail and weak compared to the strength he had before.

Tests showed white spots on Kleman's brain, lungs and spine that doctors said could be tumours, Findlay said.

Kleman was scheduled to see an Edson doctor on Monday for more tests.

RCMP continue to seek tips and evidence as they build their case.

In a posting on his blog Thursday, Pastor Terry Stauffer said he had seen Kleman at a handful of town events, but did not know him.

"The news of the arrest of a man charged with Emily's murder has brought, as you can imagine, mixed feelings," he wrote. "We are thankful for this step, and we are particularly thankful for the RCMP's 'above and beyond' work on this case. On the other hand, this news brings many difficult feelings to the surface. We're doing pretty well, though we're lying low today. We continue to trust in God for His strength and comfort."

Kleman remarried about four years ago, Findlay said.

He travelled to the Philippines to meet his second wife's family, said Kleman's cousin, Mary Ann Hoefling.

She said he spent several years finding God and hoping to become a church pastor.

Kleman worked for Edson's Begg Industrial Services as a vacuum truck driver off and on for eight years, said his former manager, Mario Lalande.

He said Kleman was a good employee for the most part, but about a year ago, Kleman bought a house and was spending so much time working on it that he wasn't responding to calls from work.

"He wasn't reliable at the end," Lalande said.

For the eight years he worked at Begg, Kleman kept to himself. His co-workers knew he was a preacher and that he volunteered at the local mission, but he didn't socialize with any of them.

The RCMP think Kleman acted alone. As many as 40 officers worked on the murder case for more than two months, 18 of them full time.

"It has been a very daunting and intense investigation," Oakes said. "We had the where." Everything else was a mystery, he said.

Kleman is scheduled to appear in the town's provincial court Dec. 16. No other charges are expected to be laid against Kleman, say the RCMP.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 05, 2008, 11:32:32 PM


From looking at the maps, and reading the posts, I am seriously considering that this man may be one of the serial killers we have had roaming around for years.He went to Northern Communities, to preach??? Pass the word? What a crock, he went hunting for victims. Also Highway 16, notorious for the Highway of Tears, he had the gift of gab, was comfortable, in the bush, had his Bible, and distorted faith.

He found a dead body? OK. He married a street gal. OK. Bet ya it used to bug the shit outa him when he cruised around and saw these gals on the corners, must of wanted to give them a good talking to on the Sins of the Flesh.But you know what, Hot damn, he was attracted to them! Must of caused him some grief, especially if he picked a few up here and there.

Rachel Quinney was mutilated, with her female organs cut off.I wonder how many others had that happen to them. I wonder if he wrote Svekla in jail.Svekla claims he just tripped over Rachel.Man, I want to know what he drove. The vehicle.

My friends daughter, Georgette Flint was found in Elk Island Park, up a trail, at a dead end road.She is a KARE victim. Her body found in a grove of trees, a clearing, with the sun shining thru, and very peaceful. I wonder if he camped out there?

Oh man, my mind is working over time here. I wish I was a better researcher. Thanks for the maps and all the posts everyone.It would of really bugged him, if he tried talking to some of these gals, then they gave him a price? Probably infuriated him.

I am brainstorming with myself here. We have to wait for him to confess, and with God on his side, he will, won't he? I mean Churches don't lie, do they?Also he tried to touch a girl previous to the slaying of Emily? Was he a ped too? If I was a parent, I would be asking my kids, questions if they went to his day home. But his wife ran it? She probably didn't have a clue...ugh!!!

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 06, 2008, 12:42:25 AM
My goodness, this guy could be a serial killer! He travelled thru out the north, was a truck driver, a person who 'liked to help people' and all the other hallmarks we hve been talking about on here for a long time. He found a body? Sounds just like Svleka in Edmonton.

It would not surprise me if Kare is checking every bit of movement this guy has made over the years. This could be a HUGE case by the time it is done.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 06, 2008, 10:56:42 AM
You know, I don't think Stephanie Stewart is at all linked to Klemen or any other human, for that matter.  She'd worked the tower for years and loved the outdoors.  I'm only in my 50s and find my footing isn't as great as it used to be when I was in the woods.  Stephanie was 70.  My theory has always been that humans had nothing to do with her not coming back to the tower.

Now, Margaret Findlay is a different story.  My family knew her and my niece went to school with some of her kids.  She's known locally as a hard living, hard drinking and drugging, risky lifestyle kinda girl.  For her to have 'dated' in the local oilfield camps wouldn't be a stretch, according to them.

I'm curious how common it might be for a girl, or a couple of them, to be taken from the streets of Edmonton to Fort Mac or to some of the other oil camps to serve the slobs there?  Is Mr Klemen that kind gentleman evangelist that offers a girl a ride home, since he's going that way anyway?  Does he dispense punishment when he can't 'save their soul'?  I'm sure KARE is opening a lot of files this week.  I'd suggest that Vancouver have a look at him as well.  He was raised in Quesnell, which, I think wasn't far from Vancouver.

Oh, Margaret Findlay died shortly after dyeing her hair blonde.  I don't quite know what to make of that part.

I wonder if the comments that his ex made about his mother are no longer appearing in print because she's no longer here to challenge, or that it might become part of a psychiatric profile to presented in court and potential jurors can't learn too much ahead?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 06, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
I know this isn't Stephanie's thread so I will only make this one further comment her case on this thread. Maggie, I know what you are saying about Stephanie but it doesn't explain the missing bedding. Also, I don't know exactly how it works at the forestry towers, but are the people on watch, allowed to leave the tower and go for a wander? If she did wander away, she would have to have wandered a good distance because no remains were found. I believe foul play was involved in Stephanie's disappearance.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 11:28:14 AM
I agree with haunted. There were extensive searches in the area that turned up no sign of Stephanie at all. There is still the question of the missing bedding, and the fact that she left a pot of water boiling on the stove suggests that she may have been interrupted during her usual routine. I too believe that Stephanie met with foul play. I do have to wonder about Kleman.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 06, 2008, 11:29:06 AM
My sister is well acquainted with Forestry practises, when she gets back from Christmas shopping, I'll ask her about that.  

Sorry, I hadn't read about the bedding.  Was all of the bedding gone, including pillow cases?  (I just found the article on that.  All very interesting) Had the mattress given any evidence?

Mother nature does a bang up job of returning people to the earth.  Scavengers can spread remains for miles.  It wouldn't take too long for an unburied body to be reduced to remnants.

But, hey, we're all just speculating, aren't we?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 01:35:41 PM
After having so little to go on for so long, we are suddenly faced with a huge amount of previously undisclosed evidence. Most of our earlier questions have been answered but a few have gotten lost and forgotten in the frenzy.

Immediately after Kleman's arrest, there was a question asked by the press that the RCMP would not answer. "When did you become aware that Kleman was a suspect"? The RCMP said that would have to wait for the trial to be answered. In the meantime, we have learned from reports that Kleman had come to their attention right away. We also heard that the RCMP had with held giving out a physical description of the suspect along with the sketch of the POI. We now know that Kleman was a very small man, and quite noticeably so.

So for 68 days, the RCMP knew for the majority of the time who the prime suspect was. They had already obtained and submitted forensics for testing. There was nothing that the suspect could do to change the course of events from that point on.

He had just killed a young girl in a brazen broad daylight murder. The police allowed him to remain among the general population even knowing that his wife ran a daycare center, apparently right out of their own home! Children were being dropped off there daily into the hands of a killer but apparently the police did not believe Kleman was a risk?
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Yes, he lives by the where the Little Igloo was.  It was a kid magnet. The home he shared with his wife was a day home.  My niece knows people who entrusted his wife with their children.

I know we are all happy that a suspect has been arrested and are rightly praising the police for bringing this to a conclusion, but some of this should not just be buried and overlooked. The what if side is horrendous to even think about and we should all be keenly aware of "policy" that recklessly endangers the public. That silence we all heard during this investigation could have had devasting results.   

Thank God it did not happen this time! The police work for us, we should be allowed to question operational policy especially when there is a public safety concern. Silence serves no good purpose.

Of course, the police won't comment on a case that is before the courts. Doesn't mean we can't.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 06, 2008, 02:00:03 PM
I agree D1;  How in God's name, did they keep that "freak" under any kind of scrutiny until they had their evidence in place?  Unless they had a close person that he wouldn't suspect, stuck to him all the time .... so much could have happened.
Obviously, they didn't want him to know he was suspect, therefore, his killing could escalated - especially when he thought he was invisible.  What a risk to take!
By the way, I seem to recall several of us on here suspected someone invisible... someone "suppose to be there".  In fact, I would dare say it was the "collective" point in agreement.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on December 06, 2008, 03:49:58 PM
I agree with you there.  I am wondering how much the wife knew.  I am the first to say the wife i sthe last to know although I have one experience that still leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.  Where they wife not only knew her husband was molesting children, she was helping him!  Hopefully we will find out more as the court case goes on.

CraftyGal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Not only were the police aware that Klemen was the suspect they sought in Emily's murder, they knew that he was also being accused of molesting children.
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He was recently questioned about 'touching' a child in town.  I wonder if he gave a DNA sample that tied him to skin cells on the rope?

Left on the loose for 68 days running a day care??? whew the smell!!! Perhaps the wife and his preacher/travelling buddy could bare a little more scrutiny??
 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 06, 2008, 04:36:51 PM
I'd said that the home WAS a dayhome.  I'm going to assume that came to a screeching halt when he was accused of touching a child. 

It's my opinion that wives 'know' things that they don't want to believe, so, they choose not to believe it.  Afterall, if it was true who would take care of them?  Especially in the case of a foreign born wife, she could fear deportation.   Has anyone here seen the movie "Loyalties"?  I think any woman who knows her husband's turnons would notice if he had an odd 'switch'.  Does he love your hair in braids?  Does he ask you to dress a certain way?  Is it your fault if he's dysfunctional? 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 04:41:39 PM
I totally agree D1. Where do we strike the balance between "policy" and public safety? If Kleman had come to the attention of the RCMP right away, and they had already obtained and submitted forensics for testing, why did they wait so long to act? The only thing that comes to mind is that they were waiting on the forensic tests. I have a hard time imagining how they justified allowing this monster to remain in a place where they knew children were being cared for, and living among the general population. Like was said, this could have ended in a much different way. It seems to me that RCMP were not concerned that Kleman posed a risk, and were more concerned that even releasing a sketch of the POI may compromise their investigation. I wonder if they watched him 24 hours a day from the time he came to their attention. Even then, that may have stopped him from hurting anyone else in the community, but cetainly left the children in their home at risk. Now we're left to wonder if this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 06, 2008, 04:44:22 PM
I wonder if he knew he was already a suspect and under surveillance and hence the brain tumor thing came up as a means to plead out his charge before he was even arrested.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 04:54:17 PM
A brain tumour is a pretty tough thing to fake and not worth a bluff, unless its just the public who are being bluffed!! The police wouldn't go for it on their own without concrete medical evidence.

How suspicious would it be for Klemen to die of a brain tumor before getting to trial or for him to avoid prosecution due to the tumor resulting in no trial at all?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: haunted on December 06, 2008, 05:00:57 PM
Yes I would agree medically impossible to fake but enough to get public sympathy or create reason for some. Some people believe just about everything.

Dying before a trial?  Well it's not like a trial is going to be too soon. Is it possible he knew he was dying and assuming he is or was of a sane mind, that he would use that as justification to do as he pleases since he would never see the consequences anyway?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 05:11:49 PM
I'm quite sure we are going to hear a lot more about this and the motive will become self evident at some point in time.

Apparently (according to his friend) Klemen spent two weeks in university hospital before returning home weak and frail looking. Somethings up! Whatever it is, it is known to the police who just went on to file a FDM charge.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
I can just imagine the argument for the defense if he does have a brain tumour. They will no doubt try to use it for their benefit to explain his actions.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 05:18:37 PM
In a legal sense, I wonder what impact a brain tumor would have on a first degree murder charge as opposed to a second degree?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 05:28:28 PM
I wonder that myself, D1. I just hope that they can't find a way to use the fact that he has a brain tumor to in any way reduce his culpability.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 05:50:35 PM
Thats just the thing, they can if he really does have brain tumor!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 06:19:25 PM
It would be terrible if that were to happen D1. I'm sure they'd argue that he wasn't responsible for his actions at the time. That may hold water, unless it comes to light that Emily is not his only victim, that maybe there were others before. I'm really wondering if this violent and brazen attack is an isolated incident.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 06:34:47 PM
By all indication this is the type of guy who could be involved in a lot more than we know. He was known to travel around that area a great deal over the years. There are multiple unsolved murders that may fit his profile. I'm sure there is DNA available for at least some of the other victims. Now that his identity has been released, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more information was pouring into the RCMP right now.

If true, that tumor thing is still going to be problematic no matter the number of victims. Be very interesting to see how this monkey wrench gets turned!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 06:56:35 PM
It would be ironic if this self proclaimed, avid churchgoer turns out to be a serial killer. Many people that know him, believe that he would not be capable of Emily's murder. They think that he's a gentle and helpful person. It will be real interesting to see how this plays out. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 06, 2008, 07:10:22 PM
Yes this is far from over. It appears that we have cornered the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 06, 2008, 08:36:31 PM


They must have solid proof, that he is the guy, who killed Emily. Plus they took "evidense" out of 2 houses.Could he have kept a trophy, from Emily? Like an item of clothing, or a chunk of hair? A piece of jewellry? Where does it say that Emily was Not sexually assaulted?

He could have had her in the bushes, and did who knows what, and she ran, and he ran after her, and killed her. This is what the boys witnessed. Who are the guys, with their drawings, of POI's, and they want to talk to them??Doesn't make sense, as I thought the boys saw one person, not three.We had the gal cry wolf. That I presume is one sketch, and the boys another.

Who saw Ross Kleman?
How long does DNA usually take?

Just think, we had Dennis Rader, the BTK killer who was high up in the church, and he became a twisted, sadistic killer.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 06, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
Adrian, the sexual assault is something that we're all questioning. Had something already occurred by the time the boys came across the murder in progress? The public may never know that for sure. It does seem to a lot of us that this would have been sexually motivated. He could have become fixated on her, and she may never have known. It's hard to think of any other reason why he would have wanted to kill her. Maybe that's just us, wanting to make some sense out of such a sensless act. Maybe he didn't need a reason. Yes, there was BTK that was high up in the church, and now this guy attended a church. I wouldn't think that them being involved in the church contributed to them becoming killers, but rather that they hid behind the church to appear as normal and upstanding citizens. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 07, 2008, 03:25:27 AM
I have been following this case as well.
His first wife who appears to be quite ill.......in her picture she was attached to oxygen - was apparently a pregnant street woman when they met. He married her and helped her raise her son for a few years. The son apparently adored him. She was blonde.

Her aunt goes missing and he finds her remains while taking a leak. Too weird.
It gets weirder.

He divorces first wife, moves to Edson where he gets involved in a church run by a family member of the aunt who was murdered. This family takes him in and all but adopts him. The man of the house is a minister.

He marries a Filipino woman. (not blonde) who is a devout Catholic. He sometimes attends Catholic church with her but always attends Rev. Findlays church....... even helps set up social housing for Pastor Findlay.

Findlay can't believe his friend is capable of murder. Everyone but his ex wife don't believe he is capable of this. The ex wife says he had a tremendous hatred for blondes.  Little Emily  was blonde.

He says that during the investigation Klesman was hospitalized where they found several spots, including on his lungs and brain that may be tumors. He is now out of hospital, arrested and according to one friend sent him email saying he was set up by police. When was this email sent? from jail??? The article was not clear.

He was never charged in the first wife's aunt's murder. He wasn't even considered a suspect, just the person who stumbled across her body.

His current wife is not saying anything.

His Facebook account is not shut down. Its simply locked so that no one can view details on it. I suspect his attorney advised his wife Deama to do so. 

If this man does in fact have a brain tumor that can be medically proven, could result in behaviour of violence or actions that he would not normally do, and it can be proven in court he was suffering from this at the time of Emily's murder, he may very well get off totally. 

I witnessed a horrific car accident last summer. You may remember it. IT was at the corner of Danforth and Coxwell. I was at that very corner about to cross the street with Mkwaa. About 3 feet ahead of me a woman stepped off the sidewalk on a green light and proceeded to cross the street. At that same moment a car flew up the street , hit a van which had stopped at the red light, then instantly veered right into the woman crossing the street sending her flying into the air. she landed literally on the other side of the street her shoes and purse in the northwest corner of the street. She was hit on the south east corner. Her body plumeted into the air and ended up on the southwest corner.  The guy who hit her continued..... he ended up on the northsouth side smashed into a huge garbage truck that sent it into the fence near a bank.  This happened at noon. Tons of people on the corner.

The driver had apparently hit another car about four blocks up the street prior to this accident, got out of his car saw the damage he did to the other car got back in his car and proceded to the next accident which claimed the life of a 50 year old woman.

Immediatly rumours started: He got out of the car and ran down the street. He didn't do this as I was standing right at the corner.

He was drunk.
etc. etc. etc.

Turns out he had a medical condition,that, although never stated in the news, I believe to have been  a brain tumour. POlice later told me had JUST been diagnosed, and hadn't yet been told NOT to drive. It was larger than doctors first thought. He will not be charged with anything because of the brain tumour.

And so yes, if it can be proved that Kleman suffered from a brain tumour that COULD cause him to act in ways unlike him,even criminally, there is a great possibility that he will walk from this.

Then Emily, like the other woman's family, will have to live with the fact that their loved one is dead because someone was very ill and not medically or legally responsible for what they did.

We don't have to like it.  But it is how our laws are set up.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 07, 2008, 11:09:59 AM
You're right waabz; 
My nephew was buried last week - died from brain cancer.
It was just back in summer it started to show - he was a heavy equipment operator, and was on a job in town.  Suddenly he jumped down out of the machine he was operating, and went into some sort of tempernment and irrational behavior.  Police were called and he was taken across to the hospital.  He was examined, test, diagnosed with a brain tumor.  After months of treatment, he passed on two weeks ago. 43 years old.  From that first outburst of behavior, his health and mind deminished rapidly.  Nothing could be done.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 07, 2008, 12:00:01 PM
lostling i am sorry to hear of your nephews death. this was what i was trying to get across. often when its a child who dies especially there is a mad rush to find the responsible person ( don;t i so understand this now!) and as soon as one person is arrested people tend to jump to all kinds of conclusions without having all the facts, because, i think, we WANT the guilty person to be behind bars... but what IF he is not guilty. Dont forget. Many others have been arrested for crimes they did not do,some after spending years in prison,  or WHAT IF HE REALLY did have a brain tumour and wont be found guilty because of this?
Your nephews behaviour change and diagnoses is surely example of how a brain tumour can make one act.
this does not mean kleman IS NOT GUILTY! He may very well be> only the trial will prove that one way or another and hopefully it will be a just trial for him so thaat he doesnt get off on a technicality. IF he did this,and he doesnt have a brain tumour that could have caused this then let him rot in jail forever as far as I am concerned.......... but.......if he IS sick and his actions are the direct result  of his tumours then our laws say he goes free.. Well maybe not free. they MAY choose to hospitalize him until he is cured.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 07, 2008, 01:19:09 PM
Most of the articles that I've read that make reference to heart attacks or brain tumours are attributed to Findlay.  Most begin with "he (Ross) said/told me".  Sure, Klemen could have been in the hospital having his noodle checked out, but, have we yet heard a quote from a medical professional who KNOWS that there are tumours in Klemen's brain or lungs?  Today's article referred to his facebook page and people asking about his tumours, his MRIs and upcoming surgery.  It was ONE person who asked those questions and I felt that she felt things weren't adding up.  His weakness, his blackouts, all of those can be faked by someone who has investigated the symptoms and plans to vanish and play dead one day. 

I'm going to wait to hear from a real medical professional involved in diagnosing him before I cut the guy any slack. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 07, 2008, 01:31:49 PM
 I hadn't read that Klemen's arrival in Edson was fairly recent.  Real estate there was escalating before the tarsands caused the explosion in Edmonton so, I'm trying to figure out how he managed to get from the streets to owning two homes there while working at odd jobs.

I must have misunderstood his ex in the tv interview.  I thought she said that her son was afraid of him.  She also mentioned in the newspaper that her uncle (Findlay) virtually arranged her marriage to this stranger so he would take care of her.

 

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 07, 2008, 03:17:15 PM
Emily's murder is revealing a very strange and complex sequence of events with implications that go well beyond just her own murder.

That whole scenario of the "close" relationship with pastor Findlay, the arranged marriage to his niece, the previous murder of pastor Findlay's cousin, Kleeman accidentally finding the body, and pastor Findlay knowing the Stauffers quite well, is the backdrop in which the "latest" murder occured.

But then while the investigation was underway, Klemen disappears for a couple of weeks, (apparently hospitalized and diagnosed with a brain tumor). He has been accused of sexually molesting a minor in the meantime.

Apparently everyone who knew him, with the exception of his ex wife says that there is no way it was him and something is wrong. Klemen himself is claiming that he is being set up by the RCMP who have charged him with first degree murder of Emily.

Troubling yet, there are at least one or two POI's who were being sought but who were never found and the police are still asking for tips as to who they were and why they have not come forward.

Fornensics, DNA is likely all that delayed the arrest of Klemen. So with his arrest now, we would have to assume that the DNA results matched Klemen or there would not have been a FDM charge given the time gone by..

If Klemen were faking symptons of a brain tumor, he will be caught in the act, if not, there is still justification for a conviction. ( he was apparently hospitalized for two weeks for some reason) An FBI profiler commented on a similar instance in which a mass murderer was found to have had a brain tumor. The degree of premeditation out weighed the possible influence of the tumor in assigning culpability! FDM is how you get around this issue.


from-http://chronicle.com/free/2007/04/2007041810n.htm (http://chronicle.com/free/2007/04/2007041810n.htm)
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In Sniper in the Tower I concluded, and later the FBI's premier profiler, John Douglas, in his book Anatomy of Motive would agree, that "[Whitman's] actions speak for themselves." Any cause-and-effect theory, whether organic (brain tumor), chemical (amphetamine psychosis), or psychological (military training or child abuse), embracing the idea that Charles Whitman's judgment or free will was impaired, is not consistent with what he did. He carefully planned every move and detail, and he succeeded in doing what he set out to do -- murdering people and getting himself killed in spectacular fashion. The Whitman case taught me that sometimes our zeal to champion causes important to us or to explain the unexplainable and be "enlightened" blinds us to the obvious.





Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 07, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
I never thought of it that way D1. An argument could be made for the fact that a brain tumor could  perhaps affect ones capacity for clear thinking, and may alter someones personality, and thus, their actions. A charge of FDM speaks to the fact that this murder took careful planning, and the ability to succeed in carrying out the plan. That would show that his judgement or free will was not impaired. I was concerned that if indeed he does have a brain tumor, he may end up not being charged at all, but it doesn't appear that would be the case.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 08, 2008, 04:08:26 PM
I never knew any of this. So they are saying a tumor may mean he is not guilty? I do not get that. If he knew what he was doing then why? And if he is a danger, then he needs to be locked up in a hospital or something.
Title: Ross Edward Kleman | Possible Edson Serial Killer
Post by: capeheart on December 08, 2008, 04:20:44 PM
This person could be a serial killer.I would say the police will definitely be going over some unsolved crimes in that area. This certainly is a shock that he possibly could be involved in other deaths. Yes, he definitely could be the one involved in Ms. Stewart's murder, sure sounds like he would fit the profile. I mean all his experience going into the wilderness and his strange actions could take him right to her doorstep. It will be interesting to see what happens in this case. I hope that he doesn't get bail on this one. ??? ??? ??? ??? :-X :-X :-X :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 08, 2008, 04:22:53 PM
Chris, If you read the quote in D1's post above it basically says that a charge of FDM is the way they get around him getting off. The charge of FDM indicates careful planning, and the ability to succeed in carrying out the plan. That would show that his judgement or freewill was not impaired (by the tumor). I just hope they can make a FDM charge stick.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 08, 2008, 08:09:16 PM
I think we will be surprised at the reason they chose First Degree charge.  They must really have some evidence of his escapades .... and why he chose this poor little girl.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 08, 2008, 09:21:51 PM
I'm sure they must have plenty of evidence Lost, or they wouldn't have charged him with first degree. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 08, 2008, 09:34:42 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion there is more to come too!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 08, 2008, 10:06:47 PM
Echo that D1.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2008, 12:57:43 AM
Something not quite right ling? Smell something? What is that? Maybe that woman who cried wolf but was never charged had a story to tell?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 09, 2008, 01:57:25 AM


Yeah, they sure shut her up in a hurry, didn't they.One day, front page news, then wham, she isn't being charged, now lets move on. , type thing. We didn't even have time, or learn diddly squat about her.

Now I wonder if she went to Findlay's Church, or any of the missions. I hope they investigate everyone Ross Klemens was close too, or hung out with.Plus they took evidense from 2 houses, not one, but 2. I wonder what it was??? Also was he charged for touching a child inappropriately?

MRI's are hard to get, did he really have one? His actions concern me, as he travelled north a lot, to preach, and was close to where many women have been killed.I wonder what his ex thinks about this?

Yep, we will be hearing more about this guy, and a few possible friends... :-\
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 09, 2008, 01:59:03 AM
Picton changed the way I view SK"s I tell ya. 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 09, 2008, 06:02:06 AM
Picton changed the way I view SK"s I tell ya. 

mine too but I think we all know he is not solely responsible for all those women/s deaths.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 09, 2008, 08:05:37 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/12/09/7680306-sun.html

ugh, according to this article, the wife ran a daycare at home, man I really really hope there's no signs of abuse that went down at the daycare, but obviously now they're going to look into this, man this story just gets worse and worse 

Tue, December 9, 2008
Wife of alleged killer ran day home
By ANDREW HANON, SUN MEDIA

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The wife of the man accused in the slaying of an Edson teen ran a day home for kids, Sun Media has learned.

Ross Kleman's wife, Deama, operated an unlicensed day home in their house at 4610 5 Ave. in Edson, a Children's Services spokesman said yesterday. Deama Kleman previously operated a licensed home daycare but opted in 2002 to forgo licensing, said Trevor Coulombe.

Without a licence, she is permitted to care for up to six children, plus her own. Licensed day homes can be larger.

Ross Kleman was charged last Wednesday with first-degree murder in the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer on Sept. 27. Stauffer was attacked while walking along a forested path in the town, about 200 km west of Edmonton.

Coulombe declined to say if Children's Services is investigating the situation in the Kleman home. He said that, in general, the province would get involved only if children are allegedly abused or neglected in their own homes. When a third party is suspected, he said, it's strictly a police investigation.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes said he could neither confirm nor deny if they're investigating.

Kleman was a lay pastor who attended the Bread of Life church in town. Emily Stauffer was the daughter of a Baptist pastor in Edson.

Larry Tollefson, pastor at Bethel Pentecostal Church, knows both families and said the evangelical Christian community in Edson was rocked by the situation.

"It's been hard on the Christian community," he said, "but we're coming to terms with it."

Tollefson touched on the subject in his sermon on Sunday, telling his congregation that while he supports capital punishment for convicted murderers, it didn't stop him from trying to visit Kleman in jail to pray with him.

"A true Christian goes beyond his own bias and does what's right," he said.

 
 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2008, 11:50:48 AM
Everyones keeping silent on this one! Childrens Services passed the buck, the cops won't comment, the kids just kept being dropped off into the arms of a killer residing at the day care? For 68 days this went on, no wonder the press is asking, when did Klemen become a suspect? No wonder the police don't want to answer.
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Coulombe declined to say if Children's Services is investigating the situation in the Kleman home. He said that, in general, the province would get involved only if children are allegedly abused or neglected in their own homes. When a third party is suspected, he said, it's strictly a police investigation.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Wayne Oakes said he could neither confirm nor deny if they're investigating.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 09, 2008, 02:44:55 PM
It's entirely possible that they had a lot of evidence against 'someone', but, only found out that 'someone' within days of arresting Klemen.

The article states that Deana ceased to be licensed as a dayhome in 2002.  She was private after that.  Wonder if 2002 is when this 'touching' incident occurred and he convinced her to NOT draw attention to the home by reapplying for her licensing.  So, where you read "dayhome' insert 'babysat'.

I believe a recent article said that it took 5 weeks for DNA identification of Margaret Findlay, so, I would imagine i would take that long again to get results on recently collected evidence.

The police don't have to answer anything right now.  Everything they have is going to be presented in court as evidence.  The less in the paper the better.  Does anyone want to see a mistrial?

The woman with the frivolous charge is known to most of the town as a flake.  The people I know there sort of laugh at any theory of connecting the flake & the nut.  (nix the cereal killer theory)

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 09, 2008, 03:12:56 PM

I looked up Ross Edward kleman + brain tumor + Edson, and hooked onto to only one piece, and it was from the journal on ovarian cancer???

If the tumor that Ross supposedly has is malignant, and is in the brain, he would be going thru mega changes. The only thing is, I am tending more, and more to believe he is maybe malingering.One of the earlier posts, my son heard heart attack. Haven't heard anything else, so maybe he heard wrong. BUT there is something called tachicardia, and it is caused by stress, and the person actually feels they are having a heart attack, and they are going to die.The reality is, nothing is wrong.

People can and do survive brain tumors, with all their abilities in tack; depends where the tumors are. A friend of mine was diagnosed with a cancerous brain tumor, and she passed away in about 6 months of discovery. She showed signs for the previous two years, of isolating herself, and getting paranoid.

Does anyone remember in the first days of Emilie's death, and then the hoax, there was a guy on TV, who said, he knew someone who fit the bill, but didn't believe it could be him. This was of the scaring of the wolf caller.?

I hope the police do check the daycare home, and didn't allow this Klemans outa their site. He looks like neither composite to me.The Findlays are sure that Ross did no wrong, even finding the body of a relative of theirs.I wonder if R. Klemans travelled alone thru Alberta.?

Serial Killer West + Moirs, picked up gals from missions, soup kitchens, churches, and I wonder if Ross did too? I wonder if he ever paid for sex? A lot of run aways don't like to be preached to, but will go along with it for the food, and maybe a place to stay.

Anyone think there may be something happening that may have to do with any of the STW killings in the Northwest?I hope they check all Klemans phone records, who he has contact with, and why that day care, was left open. I hope it was video taped in there. It was unlicensed.

With the First degree murder charge, he may well, be sentenced to a mental institution, if the tumors are valid.But if that is the case, then lets hope he is sent to a psychiatric facility for the criminally insane.

He liked camping, he liked the out doors, he liked the bush, hiking, felt akin to nature, and the Bible was his best friend. We all know, how the bible can be mis construed. What was his relationship to Emily Stauffer? Was he stalking her? How did he know she was going to be on that trail? At that time? Fluke?Was her phone  records checked. Was their contact, to discuss the faith?

Man, there is a lot of questions.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 09, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
just read that the ex-wife has been interviewed several times by detectives about the Stauffer homicide over the past two months.  So past two months, that would be November, and October.

And Emily was taken away from us at the end of September (27th) SO the police has been onto Kleman since the beginning?

Another quote -

"After the blond-haired Stauffer was slain in September, Plante was approached by police. She said she told them in the interview he was obsessed with blonds."

"Kleman spent a lot of time on the trails around Edson, Plante said."

Is it possible that Emily was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that there isn't a connection between Emily and the Kleman?  Cause Emily was blond, she was found on a trail, and Kleman spent a lot of time on the trails

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 09, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
No Maggie, I am not nixing the idea of a serial killer at work. There has been too many deaths over the years, and this guy fits the profile. We have brought up the preacher type guys before, and they will have sex with a STW, and pray for them after.

I asked this staunch Catholic one if he believed the Catholic Church was infallable. He said they do no wrong.

So I asked him, "What about the 2 gals he got pregnant on Manitoulin Island?"" He said """WEll, it's ok, He blessed them first!"
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 09, 2008, 03:37:04 PM
Adrian...I was being a wiseguy at the thought of the fake victim being in kahoots with Klemen.  Hence, fruit + nut = cereal killer. 

I agree with you that Ross Klemen smells like a serial killer.  I believe that Ross Klemen is responsible for at least Margaret Findlay and a few from the streets of Edmonton. 

So much speculation and so little knowledge right now.  We're just going to have to be patient and trust that this has been thoroughly investigated by competent officers and that a trial will lay it all out for us. 

In the meantime, I'll let you know what rumours or knowledge come via my family in and near Edson.

I'm sorry, I don't know where Catholicism comes into this or what Manitoulin Island is about.  If you're polling, I'm one of the Catholics that laughs at the thought of the Pope being considered infallible.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 09, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
Hi, I am new here, and just wanted to add some info for you. The Dayhome in question, was shut down by Children's Services and the RCMP at the end of October, 2008, due to kids comming forward that Ross Kleman was exposing himself to them, and having them expose themselves to him. At the time of closing the dayhome, they took a DNA sample from Ross, thus connecting him to Emily's murder. Yes it was stated on a few news groups, that Kleman suffered a heart attack Halloween night, which was a day or so after they shut the dayhome down.


I also agree, that it is just to coincidental, about Ross finding the other body. I think there is way more to that story, even the RCMP stated, that at the time, his finding the body was suspicious. Makes one wonder just how much this Findlay person really does know. I have also heard, that the RCMP are looking into a few unsolved murders, through out BC, to see if there may be a connection.


This just makes me so mad, that he could kill this young woman, and just live life, like nothing happened. He even took Emily's fathers hand at the candle Vigil, and said, "I don't know how anyone could take the life of such a young child." What kind of a person does that??

I just pray, that he does the right thing, and pleads guilty next week, Emily's family has been through enough, I would hate to have to see them go through a trial.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 09, 2008, 05:55:31 PM
Hi Edsonmom,

Thanks for posting that.  the last little while, we've been researching, trying to find out some information, but couldn't find too much info.  You have certainly helped u.

I think they've been onto this Kleman guy for a while now.  I certainly hope he was being monitored by the police (if they were investigating him since the end of Sept).  I do not want to hear of another attack, ugh.

I think we're going to find out more information over the next little while.  I'm not sure if Kleman knew of Emily.  I really do think she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  It sounds like this sick bastard really really hated blonds and Emily was blond.

(I want to find out if his Kleman's mother was blond).  I don't know why, but I think he's been exhibiting this behavior for many, many years.  So the reason I ask about his mother is because some cases - men have developed these type of behavior problems, like the mother slept around alot, or the mother abused him, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the guy.  I'm just trying to figure out the back end of the story and try and make sense of this.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
Edsonmon, Thanks for showing up and setting the record straight on a few things here. We had been hoping that someone from your area would find this board. I take it that a court appearance has been scheduled for next week?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 09, 2008, 06:25:45 PM
You are very welcome for the info.. Yes his first apperance will be on Dec 16th @ 10:00 am, here in Edson.
It took a lot of searching on info about this case to find this site, but I am glad I did..
There was a question asked about the ages of the boys, who discovered Emily being attacked.. they are 9 and 11. They were riding their bikes on the trail. We are not sure how much they saw, but know, that they ran to the first house they saw for help. Someone had asked, why the boys did not help her, well if you were that young, and came accross that, would you not be scared out or your mind, and just run for help. We do not know if they saw him kill her or not, but no matter what, I am proud of these boys for what they did..
Emily's parents, do not know Ross personaly, but have seen him around many events in town, as most people in town, have seen him at one time, or the other. I know that there was a search order for the town public works building, a few days before the arrest, all lockers were searched, and all staff talked to..
I think the RCMP may have had a feeling Ross was connected, but did not have enough evidence untill the samples were confirmed..
I do however think that Ross knew that Emily walked the trails alone.. She loved taking pictures of nature, and where better, than the walking trail through town..The whole trail, is surrounded by homes on the one side, and where she was killed, there are numorous homes, I am surprized that no one heard her. funny thing is, about 1/2 hour before she was killed, there was a group of children on a feild trip on the trails..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2008, 06:39:30 PM
We are all sorry about the boys too, when we were first looking at them we were led to believe that they were considerably older. Once we found out their ages, we all acknowledged there was no need for suspicion.

It does apear then that DNA played a major role in the arrest and the first degree murder charge. That should pretty well clinch it for the prosecution, as long as there are no real complications like the brain tumor yet to come.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: CraftyGal on December 09, 2008, 07:29:40 PM
Those poor boys, I hope they are getting the counseling and support that they will no doubt need for what they saw.  My heart and prayers go out to the boys and their families.  I was actually quite surprised to see people even suggest that they were somehow involved.

CraftyGal
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 09, 2008, 08:08:14 PM
I was one of the guilty parties in that. We did not have the ages right for the boys to begin with,  we had next to no information to work with at the time, and they were the last ones to see Emily alive. it was all speculation and grasping at straws really but we did figure it out once a few more details were released. Apologies to them and hope they come out of this all right in the end. As for us, if the same events were to occur again? I think we still have to question everything untill evidence proves its unwarranted. As one poster said, remember James Bulgar and Simon Partington/ (sp) They were younger than these boys and if they had not been seen on a surveillance camera, would likely never have been suspected.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 09, 2008, 08:20:20 PM
Last week I apologized for my thoughts about the boys.

Hi Edsonmom.  Here I am wondering if I know you.  I've been getting the local news from my Mom, who is also in Edson and my sister who is out of town.  (You'd know it if I said it)

I'd just talked to my mom tonight and came to pass on the word of how and when they acquired his DNA.  I'll add that they got the first specimen on his DNA from under Emily's finger nails.  She had scratched him.  Unless he wore gloves he should have left skin cells on the rope.  I'd bet they found more of the same rope in his garage.

Edsonmom, there are a few things I forgot to ask my mom. 
-when he was hospitalized, did he come to Edmonton or stay in the Edson hospital?
-I haven't heard anything in the papers about a current relationship with his family.  Yet, Findlay relates that ROSS TOLD HIM that when he woke from his semi-coma he was surrounded by his family.  Church family or some ghost family that nobody is mentioning?
-My niece knows kids that were in Deana's dayhome from before the touching incident.  Do you know if she stopped babysitting when after the touching occurred?
-That they got the DNA specimen from under Emily's nails leads me to speculate that she wasn't sexually assaulted.  None of my family has heard anything about sexual assault in this case.  Have you heard any different?

Here's a thought.  I had thought that the touching incident was years old and thought that she might not have applied for a 2003 license to avoid Child Services scrutinizing him.  But, Margaret Findlay disappeared 'five years ago'.  I wonder if he was getting out of the government spotlight long ago?



Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 09, 2008, 09:19:19 PM
For anyone who wants to read Emily's fathers log, here is the link..
http://newlumps.blogspot.com/

Please do not get me wrong, I did not mean to disrespect anyones views, all I intended was to clear up the ages of the kids involved, and why they did not help Emily in the way it was posted, that they should have helped..

Maggie, when the RCMP intrviewed the town door to door, a lot of us were told that who ever did this, did indeed wear gloves, I know they dumped all the garbage cans in Tiffan area looking for the gloves..

As to if he was in Edmonton Hospital, Yes it is stated in the paper, that he was in the U Of A..
"A month ago, as police searched for Emily Stauffer's killer, Kleman lost all feeling and movement in the left side of his body, Findlay said.

"He could hardly move, he could hardly speak, he was in bad shape."

His friend recovered for two weeks at University Hospital, Findlay said, and regained his movement and speech. He was still noticeably frail and weak compared to the strength he had before.

Tests showed white spots on Kleman's brain, lungs and spine that doctors said could be tumours, Findlay said.

Kleman was scheduled to see an Edson doctor on Monday for more tests."

Yes as soon as the touching part  in the dayhome, was reported, the RCMP & Children's Services shut her down, so she has had no kids since the end of October.

The papers also state, that he was raised by his Grandmother, however, I am in contact with one of his cousins through FB, so I will ask the questions about mom being a Blonde, and family relations.. so far from what cousin has told me, he was not to close with a lot of family members, but was close to others.. will find out what I can from cousin, without pushing to much.

She was not with him when she went private in 2003, she met him early 2004, she just did not want to work the government hours.. I used to work for the same dayhome society as she did, and I also went private for the same reasons. With this agency, you do not need to renew licences year to year.

I did not hear anything about him being in a semi-coma, so can not answer that part. Hope this helps a bit.


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 09, 2008, 10:45:36 PM
Just thought of something else.. Ross kleman's ex stated in an interview that he "allegedly stalking one in Nova Scotia" meaning a blond..

The woman, who is blond, told Sun Media her ex-husband was obsessed with blonds - once allegedly stalking one in Nova Scotia - and often took his anger out on fair-haired women.

I wonder if they can track this woman down somehow? would prove to be an interesting witness in this case, or if any of these " fair-haired women" will come forward.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 09, 2008, 10:53:31 PM
I'd asked the same question a while back.  Of course, it's only his exwife saying that.

His ex also said somewhere that her son was afraid of him.  (I think I read he's been in therapy).  Findlay says that the boys adored Ross.

I was exaggerating about it being a semi-coma.  I think there's a good amount of bullshit going on with these medical issues.  So much of what we hear about his condition is from Findlay, and its all preceded by "he said" (meaning, Ross told him that).

Wow, you were brave to contact a cousin.  I was looking at his friends and wondering how many really knew him.  I was thinking how I would feel if I'd just found this sort of thing out about someone on my list.

In the very first article that quoted the ex Mrs Klemam, she mentions his mother.  If I recall she was blonde, mean, overbearing, fanatically devout.  I thought right away that he might be trying to kill his mother.  Heaven only knows what she did to him.  Has anyone here seen "Carrie"?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 09, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
His ex stated on Global news, that her son was scared of him, and still in couseling.. yes you are right, those are her words. not confirmed in any way. However, if it is true, it will come out in court.
Brain tumor has not been confirmed by a doctor, as of yet. once again, this will come out in court..

it was the first comment on his wall, that made me respond to his cousin, something about a friend contacting them about police tape around a house they thought was his.. without thinking, with the anger I felt, I just wrote to them to inform them that he had been arrested for murder. after emailing eachother for the day, they disclosed to me that he was a cousin, we have been talking back and forth since then. The family thinks "this is wrong, in so many ways", and feels so very sorry towards Emily's family. Notice that his friends list is down to 2 now?

Findlay also states, that "he" would never do this..wonder what he will think, if they do Charge Ross for Margaret's murder, or find out he was involved..I would love to be in that court room on Tuesday, but I am sure they will make it a closed court room, just due to the fact, that so many residents of our community, are so pissed over this. He will get his rights, and be protected from the public.. The media will be allowed in though, so will be all over the news, what happened. I know he is still being held here in town, for protection against other criminals, as we all know, even they do not take kindley to people who hurt kids..and with the publisity that this story got world wide, he would not stand a chance in a regular Jail.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Syiena on December 10, 2008, 05:12:12 AM
I did read in an article that Kleman's tests showed white spots on Kleman's brain, lungs and spine that doctors said could be tumours.

Kleman was scheduled to see an Edson doctor on Monday for more tests.

then again that wasn't coming from the Police, it came from Pastor Findlay, so I have no idea if this is true or not.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 10, 2008, 12:19:49 PM

Edson mom, Thanks for dropping by, and please don't be a stranger.I hope the best for the children, and they have strong family to help them over this trauma!


Thanks for coming here, Edsonmom, it is good to get a view from someone that is actually there. Seems like you read most of the thread. We didn't know what was happening, but plugged along.

When the death of Margaret Findlay, was brought to attention, and then the dayhome, was when most of us felt that Ross Kleman, may be responsible for more than the death of Emily Stauffer.

Plus the location where he lives, and easy access to highways ,along where women, gals have been slain. His trips up North, set bells ringing in my ears.The media brought attention to the boys, and also the woman who said she was also attacked. It kind of created a diversion, but we got past that. I do hope that Ross Kleman,s life is examined with a fine tooth comb.

R.I.P. Emily Stauffer, and (((((hugs)) to all friends and family, and the young boys who witnessed, what no young boy should.

I feel for your town, and I know of small town life, and the peace and content we usually feel being in one. This slaying has opened the gates, to the evil that man is capable of.

Who knows what is going to found about this Ross Klemans. The dayhome/care, is scary. I hope his ex wife speaks up again.  The present wife is saying nothing., at lest from what I gather.

So is it possible that Ross is a mailingering, hypo chondriac.? Unless we know for sure, we have to wait. I want this guy checked out, inside out. The town of Edson should try to feel safe again, but that will be forever changed. I love small town life...am so sorry Edson mom! :'(

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 10, 2008, 01:34:25 PM

Maggie; concerning the Priest:

I was just bring up a small settlement that was all Catholic, and knowing Edson is very Church oriented, or faith oriented, I put that in.

I think we all know that no specific church or leader, is infallable. They are all capable of wrong doing.Look at the world today. Sorry if I confused you, I confuse my self at times!  ???

Ross being a Bible Thumper, just makes me more aware of the many guises, a killer is able to have. Plus he probably believes it! When he married a street gal, was his intention to lead her to God? OR was that Rev.,?() Findlay, pushing him?

Adrian :)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 10, 2008, 07:25:23 PM
Adrian, Thank you for making me feel welcome here. It is much appreciated..
The woman who faked the attack, as you all know, is the type of person, who is in much need of attention. Yes the town residence are livid that charges were not laid against her.. not even 4 days after the Rcmp told us it was fake attack, she moved to BC.. I think she was scared that someone would beat her up..as she had every right to feel that way. The town figured out it was a lie, a day or so before the cops told us. things just did not add up with her story..The place that she was supposedly attacked on the walking trail, is some way from Tim Hortons, where she came out of the trail..she would have had to run out of the trail, cross one of our main streets, with major homes on it, go back into the trail, and come around to Timmies.. First question we all asked, is why would she go back into the trail system if she was attacked.
I emailed cousin today, with the question if mom was blond.. no she was not, so there goes that theory..I asked a few more questions, and am waiting for reply, will let you know when I do.

I spent some time last night, looking through other missing /unsolved cases, in Alberta, BC, & NS. I would say, that the RCMP need to do some hard looking into some of them. A lot of these woman, fit the time frames, he would have been in those area's. As well as a lot of them were found in the bushes, close to towns, and were strangled..Makes one think..

Someone had asked if Emily was sexually assaulted or not, well unconfirmed, but through close friends of the family, the answer is yes. It has also been said, that he wore a condom..Once again, this has not yet been confirmed by RCMP, so could just be part of the many rumors.

As for Deama not speaking out about this, we need to remember, she had just found out her husband murdered someone, the same time we all did.. from talking with friends that live across the street from the Kleman home, there is no way that Deama knew about this, just from the way she screamed, they knew, she was not part of this.. The RCMP put her into protection, after talking with her at the RCMP station. To keep the media, and town people that would bombard her with questions, away from her..I am told that he convinced her, that he only did that to the kids in her dayhome, due to the tumors.. "he was not himself", her being the type of woman she is, always looks for the best in people, and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then to find out, your husband, was the one who put the fear into our town, and killed a child.. man I can not imagine, what this poor woman is going through..My heart goes out to her..
I am just glad, that they had no children of their own..I spoke to our Mayor, regarding Deama, and he said, that the RCMP are 100% certain, she had no knowledge & was not involved in this crime..

I don't know if our small town will ever be the same again, I have been here for 20 years, and we have only had a few murders, one if you all recall, being hells angels chopping up a body. One a murder/suicide. one a attempted murder-this being the man who raped the woman from Hinton, and ran over her sister 2 times. all drug related..Margaret's murder still unsolved. thats it.. This one, on the other hand, has put such a fear into our town.. There is no reason for this to have happened.(not saying there was reason for the others). We have always took for granted that our children were safe. I think that is why this is hitting home in our town.. It was a child that was killed.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 10, 2008, 10:31:01 PM
The following is the answer I recieved from the cousin, to some questions I asked her..

"She was never ever a blonde. Not from what I remember anyway. As far as "religious" goes, some of us were raised in and around a church, but Ross was the only religious one. As far as Ross abusing his ex-wife....we,, none of us have ever known a violent bone in his body. My mother and sisters used to fight his battles for him as kids. From what I know of his ex-wife, she was actually a prostitute that he took off the streets and the father of her son was her pimp that Ross saved her from.How they met, I'm unsure. Don't know those details. We all don't know anything about this "Ross" now. It is definitely not one of those cases of "missing the signs". There just weren't any signs to see."
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 10, 2008, 11:02:35 PM
Are these cousins for sure talking about his mother and not his grandmother?  One of the articles said he was raised by his grandmother in Quesnell BC.  I had assumed, from the way his first wife spoke of his mother, that he had been taken from her to live with his gramma.  I wonder if his gramma was the religious blonde nutcase?

It's odd that this snippet I remember so well was only in the Sun the day after the arrest.  It was the article headed "He's no angel".  By the time I came looking for the article online, that portion of the interview with his ex-wife had been removed.  Perhaps it was unfounded and the paper took it out to protect themselves.  It could be that or it might be part of a psychological profile to be used later in court.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 10, 2008, 11:13:29 PM
Yes they are talking about mom.. I will ask if he was raised by mom or Grandmother
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 10, 2008, 11:49:31 PM
Wow this is facinating, thanks for sharing all this here. I'm very stunned by this whole thing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 11, 2008, 04:31:50 PM
This is stunning, Chris. It also opens to many more ramifications, and questions.Had Ross Klemen Killed before this?

http://www.leaderpost.com/Travelling+preacher+charged+with+murder+Alta+pastor+daughter/1037606/story.html

Findlay on Ross:

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Findlay said as part of their work at the Bread of Life mission in Edson, he and Kleman often travelled to northern Alberta to preach at work camps and on reserves. The pair would travel from town to town and preach in tents or tiny town halls.

During this period, Findlay said, Kleman worked as a volunteer and acted as his "right-hand man."

"I know him just as well as anybody. He is a very devoted person and the nicest guy ever. I've literally seen him give the coat off his back to someone. I've seen him lend his car to a woman with no other way to get to work."

Also we have another quote I would like to repeat:

Edsonmom:
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I spent some time last night, looking through other missing /unsolved cases, in Alberta, BC, & NS. I would say, that the RCMP need to do some hard looking into some of them. A lot of these woman, fit the time frames, he would have been in those area's. As well as a lot of them were found in the bushes, close to towns, and were strangled..Makes one think..

I really think this guy bears further scrutiny, as well, as the Pastor Findlay, questionned on stuff he may have over looked concerning Ross.They both liked to go to reserves, to preach. I wonder when this was? So Ross Klemen's did not always travel alone!

Then someone says that Ross married a STW to take her off the streets. This was pushed by Pastor Findlay? This ex wife, must have a lot of info on all this. Plus the killing of Margaret Findlay, and Ross Klemen's finding her body...well ummmm, didn't Svekla say the same thing about Rachel Quinney. (He got off on that), but was convicted of the murder of Theresa Innes.

Anyone? Is it true that Margaret Findlay was of Native ancestry? Just curious, due to the many killed/missing., as well as other women.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 11, 2008, 05:21:40 PM
Yes Margaret Findlay was of Native ancestry.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 11, 2008, 05:41:52 PM
Very interesting, when you think how Pastor Findlay & Kleman are connected.. Pastor Findlay is related to Klemans ex, as well as Margaret. Pastor "pushes" a marraige for Kleman and the ex. Kleman finds Margaret's body, the year after he divorces from first Mrs Kleman. Pastor Findlay knows the Stauffer family very well.. Kleman kills the Stauffer daughter.. Am I reading to much into this, or is there a pattern???  Thoughts Please..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 11, 2008, 05:56:02 PM


Yes, Pastor Findlay has been closest to Ross Klemens for yearss. They "know" each other. I wonder if Ross would tell him private stuff? I gotto wrap my head around a few things. I'll be back.Connections...

Anyone?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 11, 2008, 06:17:04 PM
and Ross was Pastor Finlay's right hand man??? .........hmmm ....was Ross killing before he got involved with the good Pastor?  At what point did he start killing?  when he got "religion" or before?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Adrian on December 11, 2008, 06:56:53 PM


Good question.let us keep this updated, this thread. I was checking the web, but most are repeats/articles.Ross Klemens looked up at Pastor Findlay, and appeared family/friend.They spent time together.

I hope that someone opens up more. Ross Klemen's thoughts would be good to hear. But so would others that knew them. Any one here from up North, ever meet these guys?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 11, 2008, 07:14:27 PM
Just heard back from cousin, Ross WAS raised by mom..

I am trying to find the archived story on Margaret, if I do, I will post it here for you all to read.. so far I have only been able to find her obit.  Gloria Plante is Patricia's ( the first wife ) mom..

Findlay, Margaret Helen
On October 16, 2002, Margaret Findlay of Edson, Alberta passed away at the age of 38 years.
Left to mourn her loss, her children; Cassandra of Edmonton, Ryan, Tiffany, Elaine, Jerry, Brianna and Markus all of Edson.
Also surviving are her brothers and sisters; Alfred and Jack of Edson, Clarence of Nova Scotia, Rick of Vancouver, BC, Dale of Fort John, BC, Grace Jackson of Kamloops, BC, Gloria Plante of Marlboro, Mary (Gary) Cooper of Fort St. John, BC, Louise Findlay and Gwen (Gordon) Wickstrom all of Edmonton.
Also surviving are numerous nieces, nephews, other relatives and a host of friends. Margaret was predeceased by her son Billie, her parents, Frank and Lottie as well as sisters Liz, Edith and Eva.
A wake service was held on Sunday, December 1 at 7:00 p.m. at the Bread of Life Mission in Edson and funeral services followed Monday, December 2 with Pastor Jim Findlay officiating. Interment followed in the Glenwood Cemetery, Edson.
In lieu of floral tributes, the family suggests donation be made to the charity of the donor?s choice.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: maggie on December 11, 2008, 09:57:13 PM
So, his family says he was raised by his mom, but, the newspaper articles have said that he was raised by his grandmother in Quesnell?  Wonder who the papers are getting their info from?

Edson, one thing that Findlay says that Ross said was that, during his last hospital visit, he woke to find his whole family around him.  Did that include anyone that your contacts know?  Is there a 'whole family' locally to show up at his bedside?

You know something that's missing?  Findlay is so close to Ross, yet, Ross has a 2 week (?) long stay in hospital and Findlay doesn't mention having visited him during that time?

Edson, my Mom and sister have told me that Margaret Findlay dyed her hair blonde right  before going missing.  Do you hear the same or otherwise?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 11, 2008, 10:09:55 PM
Maggie, as far as I know, the only family member he has in town besides his wife, is his sister. I have not heard of him "waking up, surrounded by family & friends", so I will not comment on that. I have however asked cousin if anyone from the family has talked to him since the arrest, and am waiting for reply.
Yes Margaret had just recently died her hair Blond before she went missing..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 11, 2008, 11:26:07 PM
Edson it is always so good when someone close to a case joins this board. It gives us  a much better perspective.
I am so sorry your usual peaceful community has to go through this.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 11, 2008, 11:42:49 PM
Thank you for the kind words Waabzy.. they really are appreciated..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: waabzy on December 12, 2008, 02:32:18 AM
You are very welcome Edson.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: lostlinganer on December 12, 2008, 11:02:02 AM
I think all of us who originated in small communitites, and experienced such ungodly horror, collectively ache in our hearts for this community.  It would be worse, however, if the killer remained hidden or had the powerful friends to put a halt to justice - as is the case with my family, baba dona's family ....and many many others.
Have a blessed Christmas Edson.  Justice will prevail in this case... I have that feeling!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 02:55:02 PM
Update on Ross Kleman...Tuesday Dec 16th, Ross will also be charged with an arrson charge that he has a warrent out on his arrest for from Nova Scotia..He was charged there, and never appeared in court..(this is when his ex and him moved back to Edson in the 90's).(the paper work to transfer the charge went through this past week) Rcmp are also looking at him for Arrson here in Edson (story below), a few weeks after Emily was killed.. The store Emily worked at ( Deama also worked there) was burned down. After talking to the owner of the Gas station, RCMP also discovered, that Kleman was asked to leave the Gas station on numerous occasions, as he would stand at the magazne rack (was located right by the main window) pretend he was looking at magazines, and watch Blond woman walking by.. (this is scary, as I used to go there a lot, as it was right down the street from me, and I am blond)
After tracking his movements over the years, Ross is also a suspect in the "Hwy of Tears" deaths.

http://Edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081014/EDM_edfire_081014/20081014/?hub=EdmontonHome
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 14, 2008, 03:13:02 PM
The picture is getting clearer all the time. Kleman's wife worked at the same place as Emily! She was not just a random chance target from the neighborhood. We here on the board never knew any of this. I can imagine the alarm bells that would have gone off the day Emily's work place burned down!! And there's that quad again, haven't heard anything of that since day 1.

This little freak warrants a much closer look into his past.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 14, 2008, 03:44:27 PM
From the beginning, we suspected that Emily may have been known to her killer. The fact that Kleman's wife worked at the same place as Emily makes it entirely possible that he knew that she was in the habit of walking on that trail, and that he targeted her. I wonder what his motivation for burning down the place she worked was. It's also interesting to see that he is a suspect in the Hwy murders, as he spent at least some of his life in Quesnel, not too far from Hwy 16, (Hwy of Tears).
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 03:53:45 PM
D1, yes the town residence have always felt there was a strong connection between the murder & the arrson..just due to the fact, that Emily did work there.. I am not sure how long Deama worked there, I know she was only part time.
About the quad.. I have heard (through rumor only) that Ross used the quad to get away from the crime scene, that he drove it to his work place, cleaned up, and went home from there..
There was a area close to the walking trails, that had a tree house that the RCMP have since cut down, but there were fresh skid marks from a quad the day Emily died. The RCMP also pulled bags and bags of evidence from there.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 14, 2008, 04:11:14 PM
Edsonmom, this all means so much to us here after we speculated for so long based on so little. Now we have so much new information coming in that its almost boggling. It will be a while before all of the implications of the new information can be fully realized. Every little piece added begs for more investigation of something else.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 14, 2008, 04:20:32 PM
It will certainly be interesting to watch the way this all plays out. This could (and now appears to be) just the tip of the ice berg like we have thought for some time now. RCMP must have some reason for suspecting him in the hwy murders, although that may be based entirely on tracking his movements at this time.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 14, 2008, 05:01:58 PM
Even the thing about the tree house that was torn down brings back thoughts of Stephanie Stewart, the missing woman from Hinton. Now that we know he used a quad at times, that will need to be factored into the searches for the other missing women.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,315.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,315.0.html)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
http://www.lastlinkontheleft.com/e2008stauffer.html

This is a great artical on the Stauffer investigation.. Until reading this again, I had forgot about the 3rd incident, of a man being spotted behind a dumpster.. nothing was really there to connect this, to the case, that is why it did not seem of any importance to the town..there are a lot of great pictures on this one as well, that will give you all some idea's of where this happened..when you look at the one, of the walking trail map, for Emily's death.. you will see where the trail system starts on 12th ave. Tags store that was set on fire, was right where the 12th ave point is.
The second attack picture, you will see a bridge, if you look close, you will see 8th ave in the back ground.. this is the street I mentioned before, that the second "victim" would have had to cross to go back into the trail system. The schools in the picture below second attack pic, was closer to where this woman was, than Tim Hortons. If you go back to the map of the walking trails, the "second attack" where it says 6 ave, you will see a bend on the trail going back towards Emily's crime scene.. that is where the fake attack happened..Tim Hortons is on 4th Ave. the trail system also starts there..
Also read the comments from the forensic psychologist & criminologist at bottom
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 14, 2008, 05:38:05 PM
Every indicator points to this guy committing additional crimes, some of which are just now being exposed. How much more is there to come? This could be big by the time its done!

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Jung told the Edmonton Sun that random, daylight attacks were exceedingly rare and the perpetrators involved are usually extremely anti-social.

Assuming the attack was sexual in nature, Jung said the suspect likely commits other kinds of crimes as well.

?It's not a common thing,? Jung said. ?Most sexual offenders tend to offend against people they know. [Random attacks] are very rare, so people should be on edge.?

?[Rapists who attack randomly] tend to be much more anti-social in nature and tend to be much more indiscriminate in the types of offending they do, so they're not just limited in committing a sexual offence.?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: debbiec on December 14, 2008, 05:48:34 PM
Thanks for supplying this great information Edsonmom. For a long time those of us that wrote on this thread regularly, wished that someone from the town of Edson would come forward. Although, of course this is all pretty new info since the time of the arrest. It really helps to have someone right from the community, and gives a whole different perspective. Exactly D1, it once again reminds us of Stephanie Stewart and makes us wonder about all the other missing women as well. I wonder if RCMP had any idea when they arrested Kleman what the possibilities could be.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
Forgot to add in my last post, that the tree house RCMP discovered was in between where Emily was found and Hwy 748.. one thing I do not understand, when the cops found out Ross was "exposing" himself to young kids in the dayhome, why did they not get him off the streets then? As a resident of this town, I am very upset by this..It also scares the hell out of me, that someone like this was living a NORMAL life in our town.. how the hell do you act "normal" knowing you killed a child??  How could he speak to Terry (Emily's father) at the candle vigil 2 days later, and act like he was in as much fear, as the rest of us??
Now looking at all the things we now know for certain. This sick man, needs to be investigated way back to his childhood..who knows when he started doing things. I just pray, that this friggen "tumor" crap, is not used in his defence. I also pray that the 2 young boys, that came across the crime, do not have to testify. I guess we will find out on Tuesday though.
Once again, I Thank you all for the kind comments. You are more than welcome for the information, I am able to pass on to you. This site in a way, has been a good way for me to vent my thought, and start the healing process. It has been a very difficult few months for our town. I thank you all for that.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: capeheart on December 14, 2008, 07:11:55 PM
Edsonmom, thank you for your information on this terrible crime. I know that you must be all wondering what went on here when this man got away with exposing himself. I would say if they look back on this man and investigate him, there are probably a lot more things that have been done. This treehouse, was this a known place that the police knew was there??? I know not far from here about five blocks away the teens had a place set up in the woods where they had parties, well the police went in and tore that all down. There were no more parties. But it seems that this is all over Canada, especially in summer time. At a couple of parties at the end of the summer, a couple of teenagers died at these parties. They were drinking and decided to go home, lost their way and were found dead. One was a female and one was a male. Three years ago another boy was beaten at a party and tried to walk home, he was found dead in the woods, because he became disoriented and died of hypothermia. I know the people in your town must be very relieved that this man has been found. You think the same as I do, this tumor thing could be a fairytale, just to keep his neck out of the noose, so to speak. All the best to you and your friends in that town. Thanks for keep us informed.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 07:34:29 PM
Capeheart, no this tree house was not known by police, as a matter of fact, as the info of this got out, residence were very surprized to hear that it was there, many of us went out to see it for ourselves after the RCMP released the scene.. The only reason that they came across it, was due to an plactic straw placed on a branch close to the ground, located further down the walking trail, that was pointed in that direction..there was not even a broken path leading there. You could not see the tree house from the trail, or the Hwy 748. There were many aftershave bottles there & clothing, also one one of the tree's there was a 10 foot rope hanging, from a branch, at the top of the rope, boards were naild up the tree for someone to climb, at the end of the boards, there was a tree stand in the branches.. RCMP as well as the residence have speculated, that "HE" went up there to watch people. The tree house was not over a year old, from what RCMP have stated. there was a few beer bottles, but mostly energy drink containers.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Edsonmom on December 14, 2008, 07:50:21 PM
Sources indicate Kleman also went by the last name Steeves, his stepfather?s surname.

Accused killer knownto local police
Truro cops contacted by Albertan counterparts for information on former Hubtown resident

The Truro Daily News

TRURO DAILY NEWS
TRURO ? A man accused of slaying a 14-year-old girl in a small community west of Edmonton has Truro connections.
Ross Edward Kleman, 43, a travelling preacher and equipment operator, is facing first-degree murder charges in the death of Emily Stauffer in Edson.
Court records indicate Kleman was charged with mischief by Truro police in 1999 for damaging Eastlink property by cutting a wire.
But because Kleman did not have a criminal record, the case was put over to adult diversion.
However, he did not show up to deal with the charge and an arrest warrant was issued. That case became dated and cold and was withdrawn in 2005 ?because it was property damage (and nothing more serious),? Truro police chief David MacNeil told the Truro Daily News on Friday.
Truro police have been co-operating with their counterparts out west, he added.
?We were contacted by the investigators in Alberta, we sent the file out there in its entirety,? MacNeil said. ?It doesn?t look like it was anything out of the ordinary.?
Sources indicate Kleman also went by the last name Steeves, his stepfather?s surname.
While some people speculated Kleman worked at Eastlink, company spokeswoman Paula Sibley Fox said there are no records of him working directly, or indirectly, for the company.
Kleman was charged Thursday after a two-month investigation into the teenager?s death. He is to remain in custody until a provincial court appearance Dec. 16.
?We don?t know the man charged, though I have seen him once or twice at different town events,? Stauffer?s father Terry,
a Baptist pastor, wrote on his blog on Thursday.
His daughter was killed on the afternoon of Sept. 27 on a wooded path near a residential area in the Rocky Mountains foothills town 200 kilometres west of Edmonton.
Some of Kleman?s friends find it hard to imagine he is responsible for the death.
?I didn?t believe it and I still don?t,? Pastor Jim Findlay said. ?It will have to be proven to me. Everyone who comes to our church doesn?t believe it. The phone is ringing off the hook.?
He considered Kleman to be one of his sons and allowed him to live in his home for about a decade.
In 2002, Kleman found a woman?s body, Findlay?s cousin, in the woods near Edson.
Findlay said Kleman found the body of Margaret Findlay - who was also the aunt of Kleman?s ex-wife - when he stepped off a trail to urinate. He then ran to the road and called police.
?It shook him up pretty bad,? Findlay said.
Margaret Findlay, 38, was identified through DNA testing six weeks after Kleman found her body. At the time, RCMP said her death was suspicious but no cause of death was ever released and no one has ever been charged.
The RCMP confirmed Friday morning the investigation into Margaret Findlay?s death is still active and ongoing, but Cpl. Wayne Oakes would not confirm or deny Kleman would be an active part of that investigation.

With files from Canwest News Service and THE CANADIAN PRESS

http://www.trurodaily.com/index.cfm?sid=197845&sc=68
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: Chris on December 15, 2008, 12:10:32 AM
A New Topic Has Been Created For This Here:
Ross Edward Kleman | Possible Edson Serial Killer
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/board,82.0.html


All Recent Posts Have Been Moved There As Well.

Title: Re: Ross Edward Kleman | Possible Edson Serial Killer
Post by: Chris on December 15, 2008, 12:13:21 AM
Hey folks, just wanted to let you all know I moved this to a new topic about Ross himself. I think now that the Emily case has been solved, it is likely more cases may indeed be associated with Ross Kleman. He seems like a person who we may hear a lot about in the days ahead.

I hope this new topic is OK with eveyone. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ross Edward Kleman | Possible Edson Serial Killer
Post by: Edsonmom on December 15, 2008, 12:40:35 AM
I wonder how many people will come forward with info about him now that we know at least one other name he went by..
Title: Re: Ross Edward Kleman | Possible Edson Serial Killer
Post by: D1 on December 15, 2008, 02:40:31 AM
There will be a lot coming out about Kleman as it is. The profile of a pschopath is beginning to emerge, there are multiple potential victims being discussed, and there is a whole world of potential connections from church to state open for discussion on the Serial Killer thread.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson (sept 28 2008)
Post by: D1 on December 15, 2008, 02:59:10 AM
Although this case "appears" to have been solved, its not over yet. A suspect has been arrested but there are some potentially serious problems for the prosecution. We may find out more this tuesday when the suspect has his first court appearance.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 15, 2008, 03:57:37 AM

And there could be a pile, of deaths, maybe with his involvement...He travels around, goes north to the rez, preaching. I wonder if he picked up hitch hikers? Plus remember he wasn't always alone, Pastor Findlay with him.

There is much more I feel, this is a journey into madness.OMG, the Highway of Tears, Edmonton?Calgary?

Lets definately keep following this, as I think a lot of psychology games played.I don't no, just feel this may be more than we anticipated. JMO...
Hi Edsonmom! Good to see you, and thanks for the updates, and, it is so informative to us. Thankyou so much! :)

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 15, 2008, 10:31:12 AM
I'm in agreement that this should stay on Emily's thread until there has been a conviction. As D1 said this case "appears" to be solved. Personally, I think it's far from over.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on December 15, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
I see your point Chris... this could really grow.  However, why not stick with it until there's a conviction or at least an end to the Ross Kleman part of it.

I have found in previous threads - especially since there was already a lot of cases on here when I joined, where suspects were charged.... then I found as I introduced myself to new topics, I'd run into the name of a victim, while filling myself in about someone like Svelka (sp.) for instance; then I would have to digress to whatever victim's thread and spend days reading that.
 
The topics really do run into each other in the long run; but I think it would be better if a topic could stay "intact" as long as possible.  For some reason, I find that once a suspect becomes a "serial suspect" (for lack of a better term) and a hugh thread evolves from that; the victim/s seem to get lost in process. 
....just mho.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 15, 2008, 02:39:48 PM


The Treehouse is kind of spooky! This Ross Klemen's/Steeves is also a lurker, arsonist maybe, and thinks he is religious.

Why would he want to murder Emily, being that she was a believer in God, and followed a good moral path? What was it about Emily, that he went after her, and killed her. He is charged with 1st degree murder.

It can't be the "blonde" hair....
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 15, 2008, 04:51:13 PM
I have to agree, Emily should not be lost in this.. why put Ross in the spotlight, and have this beautiful child forgotten somewhere in the mist of things. I agree D1, now that the court proccess will begin tomorrow (Dec 16) I think the things related to Emily's case, should stay with Emily, & new developments in Ross's case (ie) Margarets body found by Kleman, Past police record, suspect in Hwy of tears info should be with ross information. maybe in Emily's board, there can be a sub-board about Ross..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 15, 2008, 06:14:21 PM
I think splitting the thread is a better idea than simply creating a new topic and moving everything over to it. I don't agree that all the focus should now be shifted away from Emily. Yes, I agree D1, that which is about Emily should stay with Emily.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 15, 2008, 07:03:28 PM


I agree that is about Emily Stauffer should stay on own thread.

But more will be added, and Ross Klemens will have, new topics raised..

WE can stiil keep Emily's thread going....

and more connections will be brought in. Like Deama and Emily working together, and Ross hanging around, did he make a play for Emily? Did he in fact DO something to her, and Emily said she would tell his wife?

I gotta get for a bit, Keep on, Keeping on. :) ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Chris on December 15, 2008, 11:25:05 PM
What I did (But undone) actually was make 2 topics, one about Emily and her case, and seperate one about Ross so info could be added there about him. Instead, I made a new category for him and included this case in there.

I have a feeling we'll be getting a lot more info about him. If something new comes up, or a case he has been accused of, feel free to start a new topic.

This could be a case that shocks all of us.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 16, 2008, 04:46:16 AM


I am still writing on the Emily Stauffer Thread. Isn't there a court hearing tomorrow? As time goes on, we can speak on specifics of this killing, by making new topics concerning it, here.

I want to know, what made Ross feel he had to kill Emily? I Know he is a suspect, but he has been charged, with 1st degree murder.What happened to Deama and Emily working together? What bugged Ross about Emily?

Ling gave me some good ideas. Thankyou. Did Ross make a pass at Emily? Was she going to tell his wife? Her Dad, and family? What happened there???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 16, 2008, 12:16:29 PM


Apparently there is a court hearing today. I will be gone, so if anyone hears, reads, or sees anything can you post it? Thanks so much!

Edsonmom, how are the townspeople handling this? Is Emily's family holding up ok?

Maggie, Are you still in contact? Would like to hear what you have to say also.

I personally think that Ross Klemens/Steves has been active a while now. The finding of Margaret Findlay, a bit bizarre, if you ask me. What was the relationship BTW Pastor Findlay? Was Pastor Findlay, the mentor to Ross?

Thanks for any input to you all!

Also Ross Klemen's and Pastor Findlay travelled the north together, they Lived together, they were aware of each others habits. Am I the only one wondering? What gives here??

Klemens hiding in a tree house, going after kids, in his wife's and his dayhome,Rosses love of the outdoors?

Are there any deaths in the Maritimes when he lived there, with his first wife, who was a street gal, and hooked up  together by Pastor Findlay. Then her Aunt dies, and found by Klemens.

Something stinks, and it isn't me!!! ??? 8) :'(
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 16, 2008, 02:07:36 PM


Yes the thread will become big BUT, we can always do spin offs on important things involving Emily Stauffer, and her killer.

What are the speculations of why Ross Klemen killed her?

Hi Des, hope all is well..thanks for dropping in. Take care, Stay safe, sister, gal.
.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Syiena on December 16, 2008, 02:25:57 PM
He pleaded not guilty.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081216/EDM_kleman_081216/20081216/?hub=CalgaryHome

Unfortunately, it looks like we will have to wait until January 20th for the next court date.

Hopefully, we will be able to get more information over the next week or so, but I doubt it.  I think we're gonna have to wait until mid January :(

*sigh* I'm not sure how much I can take this.  Reading these sad stories just drains me.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Syiena on December 16, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
Kleman wants to be tried by judge and jury.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 16, 2008, 02:38:10 PM
 Syiena thanks, sorry for the board structure talk. This is a really really important development. The tumor is going to rear its ugly head!!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Syiena on December 16, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
yeah, I was really confused, there are multiple threads going on involving Emily.

I will be happy to keep on posting updates - but where do I post them?

Is it okay to post here? or where? 

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 16, 2008, 03:10:47 PM
Edmonton Sun says Kleman is applying for BAIL... OMG If he even has the slightest chance of getting out on bail.. this town will explode.. SOB I am so pissed right now..



By THE CANADIAN PRESS

Emily Stauffer
 
 

EDSON, Alta. ? An Alberta man charged with first-degree murder in the death of a teenage girl on a walking trail near her home has pleaded not guilty.

Ross Edward Kleman was scheduled to appear on circuit television in Edson today, but his lawyer appeared on his behalf.

Kleman, 43, is accused in the slaying of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer on a popular wooded path near a residential area Sept. 27.


Her death set the town on edge for weeks until an arrest was made earlier this month.

Defence lawyer Jan Terhart indicated Kleman has elected to be tried by judge and jury.

His next court appearance is scheduled for Jan. 20.

Terhart said Kleman will be applying for bail.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/12/16/7767731.html

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 16, 2008, 03:50:55 PM
Next court date (Jan20/09) will be moved to Edmonton, and Defence Lawyer is asking for a publication ban...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 16, 2008, 08:24:19 PM
Just found out through someone that was at the court hearing today, that Kleman had pictures of Emily & a few other children in his home.. This was a planned attack......

NOT CONFIRMED: it is also said today, that there is DNA evidence, that ties him 2 at least 2 unsolved rapes.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 16, 2008, 10:11:35 PM
Excellent stuff Edsonmom, a lot of what had been suspected is being confirmed. Too bad this thread got in such a mess the day before the court appearance. Usually everyone would have been all over this. Make the best of it I guess.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 16, 2008, 10:17:02 PM
A lot of us who posted regularly on this thread, questioned wether this was a planned attack almost from the beginning. Now the truth is finally starting to emerge. I wonder if we'll ever know how long he watched and planned his attack on Emily before he acted. Was this a rape attempt gone bad has we have all wondered, or did he set out to murder this young girl in cold blood?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 16, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
Thanks D1.. LOL I don't know where to post anything about this anymore, as there are 4 sections now, so I just keep posting in this spot..
Debbie, if this publication ban goes through, it may be some time before the media is allowed to say anything on it, however we all know, that there are always people who let things slip.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2008, 12:37:35 AM
OK I put this back in the original spot and will just create a new thread and add new articles etc about the killer. Continue on, sorry for the change.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2008, 01:02:26 AM
Thanks all, I will post everything new about Kleman and other possible victims on his Serial Killer thread, and everything pertaining to Emily here. Hope everyone else will do likewise.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 17, 2008, 01:16:06 AM
Thanks Chris...
Agreed D1.. Any posts pertaining to Ross's involvement to Emily's murder only will go here, all else under the other Ross Klema section...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 17, 2008, 01:32:06 AM
Thanks Chris, this makes it a lot easier for us to know where to post the appropriate information.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 17, 2008, 02:45:55 AM


By the time this court case is over, there will be other threads. For instance, if he had in fact killed Margaret Findlay, someone will start a thread on that. The same with other victims.

I was the one who spoke of spin offs, and I still do. We already have the Stephanie Stuart thread.The fact is, that Ross Klemens may well be a serial killer, who has killed many.

He has pictures in his house of kids, and also Emily.He also will be granted Bail. What does that mean? It means he can do what he wants; he won't be locked up.Will he run?Will there be justice for Emily Stauffer? Why did he kill her so heartlessly?

Is it a proven fact that he has a brain tumor? Not rumors, but a fact that he has tumors in his brain, and/or elsewhere...

It is no big mystery where to write. The Emily Stauffer Thread is still hear.As for Ross Klemens, well glance at another serial killer thread, and see if there is just one thread.

This thread is back at the same location. Period.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 17, 2008, 12:19:59 PM
$100,000.00 Bill left over, for the Investigation into the Killing of Emily Stauffer...

Well, all the churches can donate their money. At least we have Ross Edward Klemen. Plus this guy may have opened up to more than the killing of Emily. What was it about her, that he had her picture, along with others, in the house he and the wife lived in? Did he stalk her?

Also Pastor Findlay, his closest friend, is befuddled, disturbed, and left to wonder what he missed about Ross. I mean they lived in the same house
for ten years. They knew each other. They travelled together. Just how well did they know each other??? ???

By ANDREW HANON, SUN MEDIA
   

The man accused of first-degree murder in the horrifying death of an Edson teenager pleaded not guilty yesterday. Meanwhile, the city that was paralyzed with fear for two months over Emily Stauffer's death is left holding a $100,000 bill for the investigation that led to the arrest of Ross Kleman.

Kleman, 43 was scheduled to appear on closed-circuit television in an Edson courtroom yesterday, but his lawyer appeared on his behalf.

Stauffer, 14, was attacked and killed Sept. 27 on a popular wooded path in the community 200 km west of Edmonton.

Defence lawyer Jan Terhart indicated Kleman has elected to be tried by judge and jury.

His next court appearance is set for Jan. 20. Terhart said Kleman will be applying for bail.

Meanwhile, Edson Mayor Greg Pasychny says the city of 8,400 must pay $100,000 to cover extra police called in to work the case.

At one point a team of 40 police officers were involved, including members of the RCMP major crimes section and local Mounties.

Pasychny said that, while the cost of the investigation was paid for by the provincial government, the town holds the bag for bringing in extra officers from other communities to carry on other day-to-day duties.

While the money will come out of the city's cash reserves, Pasychny said it's frustrating that communities with populations lower than 5,000 don't have to foot the bill for policing - it's all paid for by the province.

"We're fortunate that we're strong enough to cover it," he said. "But policing takes a big chunk of our total budget."

Edson's 2008 police budget was $2 million, 14% of the city's entire $14 million budget.

Pasychny said the local RCMP detachment has 15 members, a 50% increase in the past four years.

Stauffer's death - which Pasychny said was only the second slaying in 10 years in Edson - sent a wave of fear through the community.

People stopped walking alone and sales of bear spray soared.

Stauffer was the daughter of a local pastor. Kleman was active in another church in the community.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2008, 03:45:09 PM
Nice Christmas present for Edson, $100,000.00 bill from the RCMP, and the prospect of Kleman being released on bail in the new year..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 17, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
I sure hope Kleman doesn't make bail. You'd think they'd find him too high risk to put back in society and so they should.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2008, 07:14:22 PM
It is hard to believe that Kleman could get out on bail and this may just be a legal ploy on the part of Kleman's defence team.

Others are bringing up some of the old questions again about the multiple sketches of the POI's. from Klemen/ why did he kill Emily

Quote
I'm still not convinced he actually killed her. I don't think those two boys lied to the police, so there's someone else out there if you were to believe the composites. Someone who either aided Ross or saw a perfect opportunity to blame their actions on another.

Wonder what pastor Findlay looks like?

Anyone seen him or a photo of him?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on December 17, 2008, 08:00:06 PM
call us psychic or not...but there were at least three of us on this board who believed that the killer would be front and centre at the special remembrance service for Emily.  ...maybe we're getting to be amature profilers!  who knows.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2008, 08:28:06 PM
Gotta admit that was pretty good! It is extremely educational looking back now on what we had said and thought at the time. And there he was, shaking hands with Emily's father, the nerve! But we talked about that too, the sociopath personality and all that went along with that.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 17, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
D1 the video in this link has Pastor Findlay in it..

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081203/EDM_edson_081203/20081203/?hub=CalgaryHome
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 17, 2008, 09:37:01 PM
thank you edsonmom, (where  have you been hiding) I guess its safe to assume that none of the gentleman in the video resemble the missing POIs? They appear to be respectable middle aged gents.  Any viscious rumors about pastor Findlay? Some are asking how he could not have known, if Kleman is indeed the killer.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 17, 2008, 09:55:18 PM
It appears that Kleman was very good at leading a double life if he is the killer. He was able to fool everyone, not just pastor Findlay. RCMP are convinced that even Kleman's wife didn't know anything. He really was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 17, 2008, 11:18:34 PM
No D1, nothing has been said about the Pastor..RCMP here have made it clear, that only "one person was involved in Emily's murder, and that person has been charged." so there has not been any question to Pastors involvement.. The town is how ever trying to figure out who the 2 POI's in the photo's are, as RCMP are still looking to talk to them..
I am waiting for a response from a town official, that would know if Kleman's "tumor" has been confirmed or not. I will let you all know what I find out..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 18, 2008, 01:01:16 AM
When a killer who has evaded justice for so long in multiple murders is eventually found, often you hear this same thing; none of his friends and aquaintances believe that the right person has been charged. Such is the level of deception some of these killers are capable of. This behaviour will prove most interesting in regard to the tumor. Look forward to hearing the inside scoop on that.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: waabzy on December 18, 2008, 09:50:27 AM
It appears that Kleman was very good at leading a double life ....He really was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Aren't all killers?
I think we need to be careful however. He has been charged with ONE murder and as horrific as it was, him killing a little girl like this, he has NOT been charged or Convicted of more killings. Until we have PROOF he is not a serial killer. Just a low scum who should spend his entire life in a small cell thinking about what he did.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 18, 2008, 01:20:36 PM
True, "generally"  killers involved in multiple murders exhibit this trait as opposed to the one time crime of passion types. Yes, Emily is the only confirmed victim to date but the suspicion that there are others is growing. Information extrapolated from Emily's murder could prove most helpful in determining the viability of additional victims. There is already a new thread for discussing any other potential victims of Kleman under the serial killer category.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 18, 2008, 01:52:59 PM
Emily may very well be opening the gates, to other crimes attributed to Ross.

I find it really weird that there was a tree house overlooking the pathway, where people walked. It is sneaky, and somewhat disturbing, if an ADULT built this. Since my understanding that there was quite a bit of evidense taken from that particular spot, it appears to me that Ross Klemen, watched not only Emily, but perhaps others as well.

He had a picture of Emily Stauffer in his house, along with other kids.He was known for trying to get around children, at the dayhome, and who knows where else. But you know, many sk's, also were peds.(Shawcross, Svekla, Laboucan, and many more...). Ross was an immature personality, with big problems, it appears no one knew existed, not even best friend Pastor Findlay.

Emily was a bright, quick, loving, and adventurous gal, who loved music, her family, and the Word of God.She was different from most kids today. She didn't play follow the leader. I wonder if Ross Klemen ever made a pass at her in the store, that she and Deama(Ross' wife) worked in together? Ling brought this idea up to me. It also makes sense. He had contact with her.

This was not random, or a stranger killing. This was First Degree Murder.

R. I. P. Emily, and may some sort of peace come to family and friends, who are still trying to understand.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 18, 2008, 03:39:35 PM
We never knew that Emily also had a job until recently. Then we heard that she worked with Kleman's wife and that Kleman was asked to leave the premises for inappropriate conduct. Now we hear that Kleman had a fixation for blonds and that he had photos of Emily at his home. Emily had just returned after being away for the summer and as previously discussed, may have returned changed and wiser. Maybe Kleman's previous behaviour was now viewed in a different light and somehow that interplay triggered the final outcome. Whether Emily had threatened to tell Deama in order to get Kleman to leave her alone or something like that, is yet unknown.

Kleman appears to have spun out of control at the end. When Emily's work place was torched following her murder, alarms began ringing off the wall. Apparently Kleman has been charged with arson now. Obviously this was going to be noticed. Was this a cry for help as some have suggested, or was this an attempt to destroy evidence or something along that line?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 18, 2008, 05:08:08 PM
It appears that Emily may not have worked at her job for very long, as she had been away for the summer. Until recently we had never known that she worked at all. Based on the fact that Emily was away for the summer, and was murdered at the end of September, I have to wonder if she either knew Kleman before she started working, or if something happened in a very short period of time. If Kleman was asked to leave the premises for inappropriate conduct, did this have anything to do with Emily? Did Deama know about that if it did? I wonder how he came to have the pictures of Emily. It seems that every new piece of information that comes out brings twice as many questions, as answers.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on December 18, 2008, 05:10:47 PM
Right on D.... all of the above!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 18, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
Questions are slowly being answered though. Anyway you look at it, Kleman knew or had interacted with Emily sometime in the past. He had a fixation for blonds and he had pictures of Emily. We questioned why he had proceeded to kill Emily after the boys came across him that day. Now we know, Emily would have been able to identify him and the murder was to make sure she didn't talk. Thats the kind of guy we are dealing with. The arson, maybe to destroy video surveillance tapes of his activities or writtten complaints about him? The phoney attack that diverted the investigation at the onset smells like it could fit with this same pattern. Maybe she was the type that frequented the bread of life mission or that Kleman would have known from around town?

With a publication ban looming, hopefully we can get some more info prior to that. Afterwards we will be back in the dark again...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 18, 2008, 08:00:47 PM
To answer the question. Emily worked there part time, for almost a year. once again, I am not sure how long Deama worked there.. All video from the store, was destroyed in the fire.. One thing I forgot to mention about the fire, who ever set the fire, made a call from the pay phone outside the store, just prior to the explosion, and was heard saying " One down, One to go".. No one understands the meaning of this, and the pay phone has since been removed from the area..
I have also heard that the two boys saw the " man " strangeling Emily. I also believe one of the news reports posted says the same.. We were also told that Emily's throat was slashed, so it would make sense, that when he was spotted, he had to finish the job fast, and just slashed her throat to get out of the area.
The only connection, that we know of, between the person who claimed she was attacked, and Kleman, is that they were both from BC. you never know, they very well may have known eachother, maybe that is why she was not charged, maybe she gave him up, in exchange.. And that is the what the town has thought from the day we found out the attack was fake..
So once the publication ban comes into effect, are we not allowed to talk about what is going on with this case, or will I still be able to report what I find out through the town?? I have a few very reliable sources, that are very close with the Stauffer family, so getting info, will not be a problem.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 18, 2008, 08:47:45 PM
There are some potential problems with posting information on a board like this when there is a publication ban in effect. I am not exactly sure what is allowed or not. Will have to do some checking before that should occur.(Remember the publication ban in the Gomery inquiry?)

That phone call (above) is very interesting. Wonder who was phoning who?

The woman reporting the phoney attack said something quite interesting. If she were deliberatey sidetracking the investigation away from Kleman, there was one statement that stood out. from edsonmom http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081203/EDM_edson_081203/20081203/?hub=CalgaryHome (http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081203/EDM_edson_081203/20081203/?hub=CalgaryHome)

She said her attacker was over five foot nine. Kleman from other accounts, is well under the mark. The physical description of the suspect reported by the two boys was with held by the police. Is Kleman so short that he stands out in the crowd because of that so to speak? Anyone know how tall Kleman is?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 18, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
That's a very interesting point D1. It would appear that the statement made after the woman was supposedly attacked, may have been deliberately fabricated to distract RCMP away from Kleman. I've never heard how tall Kleman was, only that he was a small man. Being that the woman was also from BC, it now leaves us to wonder if they could have known each other.  Emily worked at the store for quite a bit longer than I first thought she may have. I wonder if Kleman met Emily after Deama started working at the store, and became obsessed with her, possibly even making inappropriate and unwanted advances. It could be possible that he knew he was destroying potential  evidence when he set the fire. I still wonder how Kleman came to have pictures of Emily in his possesion.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 19, 2008, 12:15:07 AM
Ross is no taller than 5-7..I know his wife is 4 foot something, very tiny woman, and in this picture of the two of them, She comes up to his shoulder, but take into account that he is not standing straight.
 http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=ross+kleman&n=-1&k=400000000010&sf=r&init=q&sid=9c5080058d5eeefb23cdbaf226ad103c#/photo.php?id=1227058340&pid=30201648&cp=1227058340&cps=94f8ff4772

This picture, of him with the cops, he stands almost even to most of the.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/videos/Video+RCMP+take+Ross+Kleman+walk+through+woods/1038460/story.html?tab=VID

Well Deb, I that brings an interesting point. Could that be how he knows her, everyone knew how much Emily loved taking Pictures, maybe he used that as a way to get her trust. Watch her for a while, convienently "run into her" on the trail with his camera in hand her. strike up a conversation to befriend her, meet with her a few more times, to take pictures together, and decides that is his way to get pictures of her. Terry Stauffer stated that Emily would go on the trails often, to take nature pictures..Very interesting.. hmmmm. new thought to ponder. With Emily being so trusting in God, why would she not trust a pastor??

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on December 19, 2008, 02:52:53 AM
That is certainly a very possible scenario. If Kleman had become secretly obsessed with Emily, then he may have used her interest in photography, (they're common interest), as a way of spending time around her, and gaining her trust. He could have been watching her for some time. I wonder if he had a clear view of the trail from the tree house. He had likely learned that she enjoyed taking nature pictures, and so portrayed himself the same way. She was the daughter of a pastor, and he was a traveling preacher, there is no reason to think that she would not have trusted him. She had likely been around people like Kleman all her life. This scenio if true, makes this heinous crime even worse. He befriended her and gained her trust. Wether or not it was meant to play out the way it did, we may never know. Did he at some point try to take their "friendship" too far, and she tried to fight him off, or was this a cold and calculated murder?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 19, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
Our questions are slowly being answered one by one. Whatever the original motive, (likely rape) progressed to murder. Was this the original plan right from the start or did Emily put up such a fight that the smaller Kleman resorted to what he did when he did? Maybe he had planned to abduct her but that went all wrong?

Kleman supposedly acted alone in the murder but there is this strange report.
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One thing I forgot to mention about the fire, who ever set the fire, made a call from the pay phone outside the store, just prior to the explosion, and was heard saying " One down, One to go".. No one understands the meaning of this, and the pay phone has since been removed from the area..

Who overheard this? Did they identify Kleman as the caller?

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on December 19, 2008, 03:36:31 PM
D1; I think if it was Ross...he was patting himself on the back and letting off steam at the same time.... his way of saying "take that".... 1. killed Emily who for some reason he couldn't allow to live 2. he destroyed only place he figured there could be evidence of his fiascal.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 19, 2008, 06:41:36 PM
Interesting..If it were Kleman making the call, and he had acted alone as the RCMP claim, who could he possibly be calling??
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 19, 2008, 06:47:31 PM


He would probably phone his closet friend.But he called the cops, didn't he?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 19, 2008, 06:52:31 PM
D1 there is an apartment building right beside the Tags store, The man who was a witness to the fire, and the call, was just getting ready to leave for work..I do not know, if they ever confirmed that it was Kleman that made the call, as all is hush hush with this investigation as well.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 19, 2008, 07:04:18 PM
It's all a bit of a mind twister when you get into the details..The woman who filed the bogus second attack report but then disappeared, may be under witness protection if she had indeed been put up to it. That would explain not only her actions but the lack of charges as well.

The phone call and the disappearing phone booth?? Who knows what evidence could be derived from that. Voice identification?  Or was someone hired to torch the building and there is another witness to an attempted coverup? All would go to justifying a first degree murder charge.

All the more reason to find what we can before a publication ban comes into effect hush hush or not. Good stuff edsonmom
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 19, 2008, 11:05:12 PM


We are learning, that Ross did have some sort of relationship with Emily. It may have been one sided, but as edsonmom said, she would have looked up to preachers. Then when we spoke of how she may have changed over the summer, may have made her look at life situations a lot clearer.

I would hate to see that Ross Klemen had anyone else involved with Emily, or the arson fire. When it was said, one down, one to go..could it have been one building, now one more. Trying to destroy evidense. I mean the police took stuff at both the houses. They also took whatever from the tree house, evidense, for sure.

Plus we had diversions, that some of you are connecting to people. We got edsonmom, and all you die hards. I think we need to focus on this, for  not only Justice for Emily, but to honor her, as a great child, with so much going for her, and her unexpected murder.But it is true, that God, the Creator, a Higher Being, works in mysterious ways.

I also know, that when it comes to some churches, the leaders, are often the most sinful. Ross probably called himself, a street preacher. Won't be the first to use his calling as a lure for children, or young adults.Hiding in the church..

If the Ross Klemen trial comes to Edmonton, I will try to go, on some mornings.

I don't always believe in coincidence, something made us come to this thread, and give our many, many thoughts. I wish I had more time, but you guys are great, and we all brainstorm.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 20, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
Kleman still has his supporters even with his arrest and likely a confession.
from-http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2417.msg20925.html#msg20925 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2417.msg20925.html#msg20925)

His friends still can't believe it was him. Usually, in hindsight the indicators become plain to see.

But here we have Kleman's friends suggesting he's been set up and railroaded.
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He didn?t do it, but they said he did, and were going to make him admit to it. Yes, they got the wrong guy,? McDonald said."

Hopefully the physical evidence is conclusive..


Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 20, 2008, 04:00:14 PM


I hope the evidence is also conclusive, and any DNA. A sociopath, is adept at mimicry, and often follow what is "expected" in any given situation.They can fake reactions, such as sympathy, sometimes tears, and never reveal themselves to people, even their friends, relatives. These psychopaths are fine tuned to the art of deception.

No I believe they have the right guy, and he did have a fascination with Emily Stauffer. They knew each other. He had pics, of not just her but other kids as well. Too much evidense was collected from the houses, and the tree house.Seems that he may have been a peeper as well, as an exhibitionist, in exposing himself to children.

Emily being a strong, Christian girl, adventurous, liking to hike, and photography, turned to be an attraction to Ross concerning Emily. I think he waited in that path. I also believe he killed Emily, as she could id him, and then the kids saw him, and he finished her, and ran.

RIP Emily...Justice will be served...

PS If Ross Klemen did NOT kill Emily, then who did? His friend, and mentor the Pastor Findlay, knew him well, and maybe never glimpsed the facade that Ross Klemen used. Plus his relationship with Margaret Findlay...

Does anyone know if there instances of child exploitation going on in Edson?Perhaps a group? Connected to some group? Just curious...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 23, 2008, 04:37:02 PM
According to our local paper, Lawyer Jan TerHart states " It may be months before he can go over all the relevant material assembled during the investigation."
This explaines why Kleman is looking for bail.. will be a min of 4 months before they are ready for trial. They must have a great deal of evidence against him, if it will take the lawyer that long. I am assuming that TerHart, was appointed the day of the trial, thus being the case for alot of those who seek legal aide in these cases. I wonder if there will be a change of plea, when TerHart gets a chance to go through it all.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on December 23, 2008, 07:34:23 PM
Quite likely the case, but possibly awaiting medical test results. Any further word on the brain tumor story?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on December 23, 2008, 10:41:31 PM
Nothing more on the "tumor", as of yet D1.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on December 24, 2008, 02:58:11 AM


Maybe Ross made up the story. But he said it before the murder of Emily. Was he creating an alibi? Have to wait and see, I guess.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on January 01, 2009, 12:23:21 AM
FYI.. I heard back from the mayor today, in reguards to Ross's "tumors", and he said he has not heard anything about them, I am wondering if this just is a farce, as Ross worked for the town, so if he did have tumors, would he not have to talk to his employer about his so called medical condition, to arrange treatment options??  We only have 20 days before the publication ban is requested, so I will push on this end, to get as much info as I can..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on January 02, 2009, 05:18:16 PM
*****NEW UPDATE*******
I talked to Deama's best friend today..A TUMOR HAS BEEN CONFIRMED HOWEVER...
IT IS NOT A BRAIN TUMOR It is a tumor on the bottom of the skull, connected to the spinal cord..She could not give me much info, as she is a witness in court, however she did tell me that from the information she heard from the RCMP & Lawyers talking to Deama, They are 110% certain that there will be a full conviction in court. They said they have enough evidence that ties Ross to this crime 100%. Defence is planning on using the tumor, as an explanation to why he did this, however RCMP & Lawyers do have enough evidence to show that this was a fully planned, & executed murder.
Deama is doing as well as expected, she is in counselling, She has nightmares every night, but has a great support system in place.. Her brothers are now living with her, and are trying to get her life back in order.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on January 02, 2009, 06:15:14 PM
Hi Edsonmom, so now we know it is not a brain tumor. It would be fully expected that defense would try to use the tumor as an explanation as to why he did this. RCMP and lawyers say they have enough evidence to show that this was a fully planned and executed murder, and to tie Kleman to it 100%. Even if this type of tumor could be proven to affect the capacity for clear thinking of an individual, as was said in an earlier post, a charge of FDM is the way to go, as it requires a measure of planning, and the ability to carry out that plan. That would show that his judgement or free will was not impaired.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on January 05, 2009, 07:27:52 PM
With the confirmation of one or even multiple tumors of some sort in Kleman?s body, the potential for long delays, additional funding requests, expert medical testimony, medical testing and treatment, or possibly even surgery, looms on the horizon before this gets anywhere near a trial. 
See tumor- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2423.0.html  (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2423.0.html)

We could even be faced with the prospect of no trial at all or even the death of Kleman before this nears any sort of conclusion.

These are only a few of the possibilities that could occur under the blanket of silence that will soon descend upon the murder of Emily Stauffer.

We are all aware that there may be other victims attributed to Kleman, and as previously noted, the long sought Edmonton serial killer is suspected of being of the same body type as Kleman. Kleman was known to be a frequent traveller in the same area where many other victims have gone missing or been found dead.

Silence and the eminent prospect of death for Kleman will shut the door forever on what could possibly be the only glimpse one will ever see into what is behind the ever increasing volume of unsolved murders in this area.

A guy named Lonnie disclosed a very strange and sinister connection between other past unsolved murders and nearly lost his life enroute to telling anyone. There has been a virtual blackout of any information or investigation into those allegations since. This type of silence signals the end of any public involvement or disclosure. Events will be decided in secret.
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2276.0.html  (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2276.0.html)

In this case should Kleman die before the outcome is decided, the public will be spoon fed the conclusion whether supported by the evidence or not. We the public will be forced to swallow, and we always do!

Providing a sacrificial bogey man will satiate the public's thirst for justice and ensure the privacy of any partners or groups involved, if any. We gladly accept that justice has been done whether supported by the evidence or not when a conviction occurs in a case like this, willingly overlooking the bigger picture of who is behind it or why.

Remember Punky Gustafson from Edmonton? Wasn?t it great to finally get a conviction after a whole decade had gone by following her murder! Everyone involved knowingly glossed over one little detail; the only footprints found at the spot where Punky?s body was found, did not match the guy who was convicted of her murder! But the guy confessed so end of story? Well he confessed right up to the point where he would have to fit the shoe prints and there his story deviated. There is an A&E cold case documentary that shows this exact point but completely avoids the trial disclosure on the shoe size  (or lack of) and the resultant implications. If not for the trial and this one little long forgotten detail in an old police public disclosure, this would never have been known. But then after the conviction, this no longer seemed relevant to anyone? Whatever occurred to cause this in the first place and to justify a cover up is now buried behind a wall of silence forever.
See- http://mindytran.com/murrinscrimes.htm  (http://mindytran.com/murrinscrimes.htm)

So point being you may ask? This same wall of silence is about to descend here in this case; the outcome will be orchestrated in secret behind closed doors if required. If there are any little details lurking about to place in doubt the desired outcome or implicate others, we will likely never know. Anyone with a personal interest in the outcome of this should keep copies of everything, don?t trust internet archives or even hard copy news archives to be there if ever required. Keep note of all the little details and questions that come up along the way. You never know where you might discover another shoe that doesn?t fit. If you want a justice system that works, you have to watch it closely and hold everyone accountable every step of the way.
in answer to- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2437.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2437.0.html)

Even now suspicions have been pointed at Kleman?s pastor buddy. How could he not have known or not have had suspicions of his own?
See- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2413.0.html  (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2413.0.html)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 10, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Just to update Emily's page...
This info has also been posted on Ross Kleman Thread, but for those of you who only check Emily's thread, here is the updated info on the case..

Stauffer reward fund to be distributed locally
Posted 1 day ago
 

By Victoria Carnaghan

The woman who organized a reward fund to help draw tips to catch a suspect in the killing of 14-year-old Emily Stauffer is now looking for suggestions on where the $30,000 could best be donated.

According to Carly Lapointe, Crime Stoppers has said no single tip led to the arrest of a suspect in January. Therefore, the $30,000 raised in Edson through various fundraisers and donations will now be spread among local organizations or charities in need.

Lapointe said she's kept in close contact with Emily's parents, Terry and Juanita, who will make the final decision as to where the money is distributed. In the meantime, Lapointe is asking local people to send her a letter via e-mail with their suggestion as to which organization might best benefit from a cash donation.

Lapointe can be contacted by e-mailing carlylapointe@remax.net.


http://www.edsonleader.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1427270&auth=

New date for Kleman case
Posted 14 days ago
 

By Victoria Carnaghan

A new court date has been set for the man accused of killing 14-year-old Emily Stauffer last fall.

Ross Edward Kleman is now scheduled to appear on March 3, after his counsel indicated on Jan. 20 that defence had yet to receive disclosure from the Crown.

Kleman was not present at the Wednesday appearance, but counsel entered a request to put the date over to a later one.

A trial date has not yet been set for Kleman, who was arrested Dec. 3 and charged the next day with first-degree murder. Kleman is an Edson resident and worked for the town's public works department until his arrest.

http://www.edsonleader.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1406876
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on February 12, 2009, 02:34:35 PM


I heard that Ross Klemen, worked for the city of Edson. He supposedly was the person to dig the grave for Emily Stauffer.I don't know how true this is, but it fits. Someone from Edson told me this. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 12, 2009, 02:50:17 PM
Adrian, yes he did work for the town, he was in the public works department, I know that he drove equipment, but this is the first I heard of this, so can not help you there.. If he was the one to dig her Grave, that is not only sick but morbid..Just makes me sick to think, he murders her, talks to the parents, shakes Terry's hand, and then digs the grave for the child he killed...We also beleave that he attended the funeral.... All the time, showing no remorse, still now saying he was framed..... This man has problems beyond repair, he is where he belongs, and I hope he is there for life...still that is to good for him, I hope the men in jail with him, are teaching him a lesson...but then again, he is in remand center until proven guilty, so he will find out what Real prison is like after his trial is over...I will ask around as well, and see if anyone else has heard of this, and let you know.. Thanks for the info, and your right, it does fit...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2009, 01:31:29 AM
Hi first post...
Heres what I think about the Kleman case

I heard that he was at his other house fixing someting when he saw Emily walked by-Not sure if he saw her when he was at the house or as he started out on his way home. But He followed her to the trail from there. I also heard that he caught up to her on foot and started walking with her in a friendly manner chatting.

I also heard there was two crime scenes on the same trail. Seems he had strangled her, she passed out and then came to, got up and ran and he caught her again some some distance away. I also heard that he slit the poor girls throat.

They figured from there he cut through the trails back to his home on 5 ave.

I went and checked around on the internet on unsolved murders in the areas I heard he lived in the last 20 years. In turo I think I remember 2 or 4 unsolved during the time he was there. and on the hiway of tears, which I read involves Quesnel BC all the way to Hinton AB There are many as well, but non from the time he was in Turo NS until he came back to Edson in '06.

My prediction....Kleman wll be pegged as one of Canada's worst mass murders. I even think he could be up there in the top 10 in N America.

I also remember on CTV from Edmonton, I think it was around the end of Nov or beginning of Dec, but sometime before he was arrested, they did a spot on all the unsolved prostitute murders. The spot included an interview with the families and a picture of the girls. I remembered thinking, geeze there all blond!! Then it kinda sent shivers down my spine when they interviewd the xwife and she said he had a thing for blonds.

Then with the newspaper spots on Kleman, at the bottom of the page, there was a mapquest map showing where all the body dumps were. I dont think they were implying that he had anythng to do with the body dumps, but who knows....I remember that a lot were along hiway 16 out towards Strathcona. I also remember that someone told me he drove a chev van. Makes me wonder. how easy would that be, to just drive in basically a straight line, dump and run.

I also wonder he he knew sveclua (The guy that was arrested for the slain street workers.)

How come no one heard about kleman being charged with the indecent exposure thing in October?? I never heard a thing. Usually stuff like that just runs through the communty.

I really dont think they will let him out on bail. Not with a FD murder charge on his head. AND I dont buy the tumor thing either. The friend can confirm it all she wants, but if Kleman and his family are trying to get sympathy, it would be a good way to do it. Although I dont think many have any sympathy for him. I think he probably knew that he was being investigated, maybe saw one to many cops lurking about or overheard from people he was being asked about, that sort of thing. So he started to get sick and what better thing to get sympaty with other than tumors.....Time will tell but I dont buy it. To coiencidental.

I dont know how true this is, but I heard that Deemia (his wife) is quite a miserable person. Apparantly she was friends with meela lynd (the lady that brings all the filipinos over and owns factory direct furniture) and they had a falling out over lynd charging huge amounts to bring the workers here and then making the workers be quiet about it. Then I guess they had filipinos living with them (Kleman and deemia) and they were making them pay huge rent and deemia would be yelling at them all the time.

Edson mom - Is his wife standing up for him, is she visiting him or has she washed her hands of him??!!

Oh ya....I dont think the pastor had anything to do with it, but someone also told me that around 7-8 years ago, the pastor and his wife had a huge blowout at the mission. I guess he was beating her pretty badly and she got away and she ran all the way down to a motel on the hiway and begged for help, calling the police, both were pretty drunk and yes he was running the Mission then.

Guess what I heard the pastors wife's name is.........Emily......He's name is Jim.

This is only my 2 cents



Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 13, 2009, 02:44:31 AM
Sounds like you won't be running for political ofice anytime soon Bulldog. Something for everyone to sink their teeth into though. The pastor isn't coming off looking much better yet, Kleman's best buddy, drunk, beating the wife. Good stuff, makes a guy wonder, birds of a feather?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on February 13, 2009, 10:22:37 AM
hats off to you bulldog - if you have facts! - most people haven't got what it takes to speak out.  ....most are too afraid of being shunned by the towners for speaking up.  Makes me sick how important it is for people to feel accepted and admired, even if they have to do it by living "head in the sand" and/or keeping their wannabe mouths shut when there's been grave injustices.  The bottom line is, it's not a perfect world, where opportunity arrises for people to "get something they want bad or get ahead" most people jump at it.  Where there is the possibility of corruption, for sure there will be some corrupt.  Most of those holy men/woman and self proclaimed messengers from God - are nothing more than go-getters who chose that way to make a buck (probably because it can lead to "major bucks"....say nothing of the fool-hearted admiration that befalls them with it.  ...and that's what makes them stronger and bolder. imho
 
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2009, 11:34:09 AM
Well all I said was this is what I think about the case.

I am like everyone else here, all based on what you hear from people in town, conjecture, and logic.

I dont think what I posted was a big leap of faith or anything. when I saw the video of him being led down the path in the snow, I like others here thought he had confessed and was showing the r.c.m.p. the exacts. If not, the look on his face told me he was a mouse caught in a trap with no way out.

I have lots of questions, as does everyone else. I hope someone from here can go to court everyday and post here what went on. I am not interested in the gory details just, how he planned it, how long, that sort of thing what made him pick her, what made the cops suspect him in the first place..other than his link to the Plante case. I think they had DNA from the scene and whether they matched that to, if he was charged with exposing hisself at deemia's day care (I cant believe i didnt hear that!!) or they had other evidense to arrest him and that would allow the cops to get the sample from him and that nails him to a wall.

Maybe he did confess. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think you can confes to FD murder in canada. You have to have a trial and then your confession is used as evidense in cort. Then when that is accepted as evidense you pretty much are going down!!!

It really is just my thoughts.

I got a chuckle out of the mayors face all over the media, posing with the flowers at the trail. a couple press confrences, until it was released that kleman was a edson city employee, never herd much from him after that. Wasnt he trying to run for the seat that ivor stang gave up a while a go??

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: lostlinganer on February 13, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
hope you hang around bulldog!
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 01:16:08 PM
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Edson mom - Is his wife standing up for him, is she visiting him or has she washed her hands of him??!!

I have known Deama for many years, as I have stated before, she babysat my daughter a long time ago, ( once again, thank god it was not when she was with Kleman).. Deama is one of the kindest woman I have ever met, all of her daycare children loved her to death, as she did them..As for standing behind Kleman, God NO, she is trying to move on with her life.. I met her in 1999, she was single, up to the time, she met Ross. She has been cleared of any involvement in this case.
As for why the public was not told about the Oct/08 sexual incidents, was due to Ross already being a suspect in Emily's case..but they needed the DNA match confirmed first.. The public was not told, as Ross's rights had to be protected, as if you are from Edson, then you know how many people were out to get the killer, if this would have leaked, Ross would not be around today, and some innocent people would have been up on charges for doing something to Kleman. From the information I have gathered, the woman who made the false attack report, gave Ross up, that is why charges were never laid against her, and she was rushed out of town for protection. so Ross was the prime suspect just a few days after the "second attack". The cops could not do anything, as they had no DNA to match to Emily's killer, but the Mayor confirmed to me (posted somewhere in here) that Ross was under complete surveillance from that point on, then when he exposed himself to the kids, it gave the RCMP the thing they needed to get a DNS sample from him.
To clear something up, it was already confirmed by the RCMP, that they only ever saw Deama, Ross & one other man (I suspect Pastor Findlay) come and go from the residence, so no they did not have a bunch of people living with them. All neighbors have confirmed this..it is also posted in some of the early articles on this case, that they lived alone.
What you say about 2 crime scenes makes sense, did you ever notice, that the teddy bear tribute for Emily, was moved 3 times.. first it was on the trail right behind Tags, as this is where a lot of people were told she was killed, then it was moved to the other side of the walking trail by New Tiffan, from there, it was moved to the spot it is in now, just by where the 5 feilds start..that being said to be the spot she died..and if you have walked over there, did you see how close that spot is to the backyard on the corner lot.. not even 10 feet away.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 01:37:25 PM
These pictures are of the tree house, taken just after it was cut down. there were 3 levels to it, once I find what disc the before ones are on, I will post them. Also is the tree with rope going up to the lookout spot, as you can see the branches are broken like stepping spots..the walking trail is just behind this, but with the thick bush right here, you could not see this from the trail.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 13, 2009, 02:22:43 PM
The new details are becoming very interesting.
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the woman who made the false attack report, gave Ross up, that is why charges were never laid against her, and she was rushed out of town for protection. so Ross was the prime suspect just a few days after the "second attack". The cops could not do anything, as they had no DNA to match to Emily's killer, but the Mayor confirmed to me (posted somewhere in here) that Ross was under complete surveillance from that point on

As was suspected in the second phoney attack, she was put up to it and that led to the identity of the person behind it.  Which begs the question, why publicize the second POI sketch as if there was some validity to it? She was whisked out of town, Kleman was likely aware that he had been given up, so who was fooled by that? In effect the town was terrorized thinking there was some psychotic individual(s) on the loose about to jump on anything that moved. Nothing was said to calm the town, the suspect was left in place.

Years ago, before DNA, they were able to make arrests and charge suspects without having to wait months and risk another victim being murdered. All well and good to say they had him under surveillance, but that isn't the same as having him behind bars. Where does public safety come into play? How fair is that for a town to have to live through?

And was he not arrested afterwards for exposing himself to children? Nice job on the surveillance.

Now with the new tumour defense, organized and orchestrated while the authorities were supposedly awaiting DNA results, some thing still isn't smelling quite right. There is some reason for those findings and it is supicious in itself that it would surface when and how it did. A tumour can't be faked, but test results can. Its not something anyone can see with their naked eye. If this "tumour" should end up playing a role in an acquittal, I think I would puke..

Don't get too trusting in anything Kleman. if he is a SK, and if he is part of something larger, this is how it is being setup. (Obviously I won't be running for political office soon either)
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 03:30:21 PM
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Which begs the question, why publicize the second POI sketch as if there was some validity to it?

D1 the second picture was not released until October 14, this was well after we were informed that the second attack was fake..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/10/14/stauffer-rcmp-sketch.html?ref=rss

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on February 13, 2009, 04:11:45 PM

Bulldog. , Hi, and good to have you here. :)

I wonder if Ross Klemen, ever picked up hitch hikers? I know he travelled around a lot for years preaching with his friend, and mentor Pastor Findlay.

Thanks to anyone who knows this...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: capeheart on February 13, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
HE COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME MURDERS IN NOVA SCOTIA IF THE POLICE START INVESTIGATING WHEN HE LIVED IN THE TRURO AREA. IT IS A VERY SHORT TRIP TO HALIFAX AND THERE ARE MANY UNSOLVED MURDERS OF MISSING WOMEN THERE AND ALSO MURDERED WOMEN.should be check out for sure, if the police notify the Nova Scotia police, I am sure they would look into it.
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Bulldog, thanks for some of that new information on Emily's murder. Ross Kelman then would have been living in Truro, Nova Scotia, I think that is what you mean, you spelled it wrong. Of course, there are crimes in the Truro area, I suppose if we look back and he could be responsible for some of the women missing in Halifax. There are a lot of unsolved murders and missing in Halifax. Andrea King is one of them, maybe he was in this area at that time. There are many and the police in Halifax should really go over those cases and the dates when Kelman lived in Nova Scotia, surely something to look at here. I too believe he is a serial killer. He just out of the blue attacked that young lady in the afternoon, he likes violence.  He is a wild wolf in sheep's clothing.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
I would think that the cops are all over all of Klemans movements for the last 20 years. This time next year we will all be talking about how many he really did kill and how many cases in places he has been have been solved.

If he does confess to Emily's - which I have no idea how he would mount a defense when his DNA was found at the crime scene - maybe he will man-up and confess to the others. Besides he would only get 25 years for the whole deal anyway. Then if they want to keep him in prison indefinetly, they would have to apply for dangerous offender status - If murder doesnt make you dangerous, exactly what the hell does?? I hate our laws.

Edsonmom: Great pics of the tree house. Looking forward to seeing the rest. Did kids build that or was that a place that the cops think kleman hung out in. But if he hung out there, how would he know Emily would be coming along?? Lots to think about. I never knew about the tree house before. AND....
Sorry, I am a bit confused, are you saying the 2nd girl was really attacked by kleman?? If not, what did you mean by she "gave him up"????? Or was she a plant (sorry, no pun intended, Im sure!!!). That would be an interesting tactic by the police. AND I think all of the filipinos live in the other house on 53rd street??, is that true??

Sorry for the Turo/Truro mistake!!!! Didn't his xwife state in the interview that was in the paper that he was charged with stalking a blond girl in Truro??

At any rate, this will be a difficult thing for Deema to live through. I am glad to know that she was cleared. Is Rev Jim under suspicion??

This is not an accusaton when I say this, but how do you live in the same house with someone who just murdered someone and not notice something or not notice a change or something in that person???

I dont believe by a long shot that Emily could have been his first. I am sure you good people feel the same.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 13, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
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Which begs the question, why publicize the second POI sketch as if there was some validity to it?

D1 the second picture was not released until October 14, this was well after we were informed that the second attack was fake..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/10/14/stauffer-rcmp-sketch.html?ref=rss

We were never informed that the girl in the second attack had fingered Kleman prior to the second sketch being released which left the question where did this second sketch originate? We know now that it would not have been the girl in the second attack, and we know now that the police knew Kleman was the suspect, but if Kleman had acted alone, why has the second POI not showed up? Or was there ever a second?


from: http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2215.msg18235.html#msg18235 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,2215.msg18235.html#msg18235)
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I do not believe this POI exsists. Just my opinion. I think this is a diversion.


 The girl in the second attack apparently implicated Kleman as in, she was put up to it to draw suspicion off Kleman by Kleman, got caught and ratted him out.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 06:53:00 PM
Okay, I am going to back track a bit here for you Bulldog. The tree house was found during the investigation to Emily's murder, the RCMP took many bags of evidence from there, no one knows who built it, and the town residence were surprised to find out it was even back there. but it is suspected that Ross used it as a hang out. the rope you see in 2 of the pictures going up the tree, at the top of the rope, there are boards nailed to the tree, like a ladder, and just about at the top of the tree was a tree stand, thus leading us to think, that someone could use that as a spot to watch those walking the trails, without being seen. The main point being, that if Kleman did use the tree house/stand, he would have been able to watch Emily on the trails. The tree house itself was maybe 20 feet from the trail, and 40 feet from the crime scene. When we were out there, to take the pictures, we were shocked how close it was, but yet, being on the trail, you could not see anything.. I have also pointed out before, that the reason the cops found it, was due to a plastic straw on the lower branch of a bush, that was bent & pointed in that direction..like an arrow..

As for the woman in the second attack... This was fake.. it never happened... I can honestly say that NO she was not a plant for the RCMP.. Her name is Kyla Sayers. Kind of funny as her family knew she was lying, as soon as she told them she was attacked.. Her family says that she is the type of person, who is very dramatic, and does anything for attention..It is said (though not confirmed through RCMP) that Kyla some how knew Ross, and that she struck a deal, that if the RCMP did not press charges, that she would give them the information that they needed to catch Emily's killer. Her family members here in town were just pissed that charges were not brought against her, and it is rumored, that the reason she lied about the attack, is due to some thing connected to this case, being there was something hidden in the bushes along the walking trail, that the killer (kleman) needed to get out of there, before the cops found it, and Kyla made the diversion needed to get ALL of the cops out of that area. remember this is rumor only..but it does make sense. any way, 2 days later Kyla was gone, she is now back in BC.

Yes it was mentioned by Patricia, that Kleman was stalking a Blonde woman in NS...

I do not know if there was anyone living in the other house or not, I think it was in the house on 53rd, that the pictures of Emily were found, but not 100 % sure on that..

D1 good question.. The first POI has still not been found either, according to the RCMP... I am posting a picture of Kleman, and the 2 POI's all together, so we can compair..the POI in the hat, is the first picture the RCMP released..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: strat on February 13, 2009, 07:03:17 PM
I have to clear up this 2nd POI thing for y'all...  I saw him interviewed on Global and he is a kid in his early twenties who happens to wlk in the bush alot.  Not a suspect but in the interview he said the police were a little intimidating, asking him what he'd seen.  He looks a little like the pic.  He seemed highish in his interview.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 07:15:22 PM
These are a few pictures of the RCMP getting back to the search for Evidence in Emily's case, after the fake attack.. If you look at the picture of just the walking trail, you can see the fences to peoples yards, this is just to show you how close these homes are to the trail.. look at the 1 tree standing in the center of this pic, see how close it is to the white fence, well this is how close Emily's body was found from a house, just a little further up the path.. This is why no one understands how he could kill her in broad daylight, this close to many homes, and no one heard or saw anything...
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
Hi Strat, when did this happen, as it is the first I have heard about it. Thanks for the info, I will have to search the global site, and see if I can find the interview, I am curious to see what he had to say..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on February 13, 2009, 08:37:48 PM


Hi strat! When you say he appeared "highish", did you mean he may have been high on something? Or did you mean he appeared above it all, and snobbish?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
Thanks Edsonmom!!!!

I remember when they were describing the OJ murders and they always wondered why his wife never screamed. I'll never forget what they said. "You cant scream when your throat is slit. Even if it doesnt kill you the first thing to go is the vocal cords".

This may explain why she never screamed??

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 13, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
You are very welcome bulldog.. Good point, I never thought of that, and yes it is rumored that Kleman had slashed Emily's throat..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 13, 2009, 09:37:07 PM
If Emily's throat was cut, that would explain a lot. The new pictures really bring out just how close this happened to several residences.

Re: POI #1 Could Kleman have been wearing a hat like that as a possible disguise? If so, it would be one of the first things he would want to discard before being seen back in his neighborhood. Could this have been the item he wanted to retrieve when he got Kyla Sayers to fake her attack?

If the other POI was the youth in the Global interview, that would take care of both POIs.

Good to see more and more Edson folk finding their way here. Hopefully someone will be able to send updates from the trial when it gets underway.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 13, 2009, 11:02:16 PM
Anyone know what Ross's sister's name is??

I think it is Sheena Wheel, I think she lives in hinton

Anyone know if I am right?? Anyone know her and how she feels about her brother, supportive or not??

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Chris on February 14, 2009, 12:42:46 AM
hello new members, glad you are here. This case is so facinating and so very sad and there are so many mysteries. I follow this case thread a lot and each post just adds to the mystery. Thanks for letting us know all this.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 14, 2009, 12:44:03 AM
A Hinton connection was being looked for in relation to Stephanie Stewart.

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http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,315.0.html

Looking at the construction of that tree house is even more indicative.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 14, 2009, 03:46:01 AM
I read on the NS missing persons (0n this) board that a lady went missing from her home and nothing disturbed and all that was missing from the house was her purse and a floral bedspread. I think it was a place close to Truro - Grand Lakes?????

I remember reading that nothing had been disturbed and all that was missing from the forestry lady's place was a blanket, maybe it was a bedspread, but a bed covering for sure. Not sure about the purse.

Does this sound too close or what???? AND I heard today that kleman may have known the forestry lady........Anyone else hear that??
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 14, 2009, 04:09:13 AM
Just before I go to sleep, I wonder why they tore the tree house down?? You would think they would perserve the evidence, as it were, what happens if the jury wants to see it for themselves??

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 14, 2009, 12:23:49 PM
The tree house: well I would imagine that everything was well documented and the entire 360% view video recorded. All of the individual components that went into constructing the structure could be checked for forensic evidence, or identifying markers. That rope found on the trail for instance, does it match the one found at the tree house?

What are you hearing about Kleman knowing Ms. Stewart? The similarities with the other Truro case are striking.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: strat on February 14, 2009, 03:02:48 PM
Hi.  I meant it seemed like he was high on something.  I wish I could remember more about the interview.  I did look for it on Global at the time but got kinda frustrated trying to find it.  It was within a week of the arrest.



Hi strat! When you say he appeared "highish", did you mean he may have been high on something? Or did you mean he appeared above it all, and snobbish?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: haunted on February 15, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I find the tree house shocking. I had no idea how large and elaborate it was. I was thinking something way more adolescent in appearance and way less significant. That tree house took a lot of effort to build. If it was Kleman who built it, he clearly spent a lot of time up there. Are there residents who live near the tree house, that would have heard the noises of it being constructed. Did 'kids' know about it and use it? or was it a complete secret to the town until this unfolded?
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on February 15, 2009, 04:29:55 PM
Good questions haunted, maybe this was a little secret meeting spot where teens went to smoke dope and ?? 
Maybe some of those building materials could be traced back to the city of Edson public works dept??

That bent straw the police found that they say led them to the fort is strange. who was it left there for? The builder would not require a marker to find his own spot, he had obviously been there a lot of times.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on February 15, 2009, 05:56:28 PM

After having seen the pictures of the tree house I was also shocked at the size of it. It doesn't appear that one would need a bent straw to point them in the right direction. Perhaps the pictures make it appear taller than it actually was, but it really looks like it should have been visible from the trail, unless the trees are very thick there. The tree house itself appears to sit in a very large clearing. I wonder if the person who built it had to clear all the trees too. You would think that residents in the area would have heard that. We also have a trail system where I live and it is maintained by the public works department. I find it interesting that Kleman just happens to have worked for the public works department. It is hard for me to imagine that anything that size could go undetected.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 15, 2009, 07:23:59 PM
The tree house, as I stated before, was 3 levels.. Not something built by children or teens..The tree line that you see behind the tree house, is 10 feet from the trail, however the bush in between the trail, and the tree house, is VERY thick, so no it could not be seen from the trail, as it was low enough, that you could not see it over the tree's, and the back of the house, was all branches, so it would blend in well...there is no broken path going from the walking trail, to the tree house, so anyone going into it, on a regular basis, would have had to come off the hi way behind the clearing, you would need a truck/ATV to access it. You could not see the tree house from the hi way either..From the feed back, I am getting no one knew it was there, When we went to take the pictures, there was no evidence, that this was a party spot, no cig butts, broken bottles, beer cans, chip bags, etc.. The only things laying around, were Cologne bottles, energy drink cans, and a lawn chair..VERY TIDY AREA, there was not even a fire pit.. but who knows what the cops cleared out of there, when they were collecting evidence..

Bulldog, your statement about Sheena Weel, she is Klemans niece, and yes I do believe they live in Hinton, but have not confirmed that 100%. maybe Tfindlay can help us out with that part, as I know they are friends..If Kleman knew Ms. Stewart, I can not answer that...As for the Cops tearing the tree house down, yes they have footage of it all, but at that time, the killer was still on the loose, so they did not want to have that place accessible to anyone.

The straw was placed on the branch, meaning that the hole of the straw, was slid on the branch. I know that the girl guides were on the trail, a few hours before Emily was killed, so one of them could have done it, however, it is just to much of a coincidence, that if you followed the direction the straw pointed, it took you to the tree house..

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on February 15, 2009, 08:38:29 PM


Thanks strat. Do you have any knowledge of the treehouse? I am wondering who all used it besides Klemens. The police took a whole whack of evidense from that treehouse, while the investigation was going on.Man. I would like to know what was up there!

He had pics of kids in one of his houses. I wonder how many came from his treehouse surreptiously? Oh what a creepy feeling, for someone like me, who likes to hike, and walk around in the bush.

Edsonmom, I get you say the brush, was packed. This dude managed to get in there, and in a clearing, make this house.One of the neighbours said his dog did not bark. Maybe the dog already knew Klemen's scent, so didn't bark, as if it was a stranger.

Has anyone tried to get to the top of the treehouse to see what could be seen? Anyone? Was the trail clear in view, or binoculars needed? Thx.
Edsonmom:
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The only things laying around, were Cologne bottles, energy drink cans, and a lawn chair..VERY TIDY AREA, there was not even a fire pit.. but who knows what the cops cleared out of there, when they were collecting evidence..

Why the cologne bottles? This is maddening, and we need the timeline of Klemen's going back, to when he preached on the highways with his best friend the Pastor Findlay. For 10 years they travelled the roads together, and more will come out of this.Does anyone know if they picked up hitch hikers? Also what were their views on Sex Trade Work?

Any help would be good.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 15, 2009, 11:15:19 PM
Desespere we know he was in BC up till 86, but we don't know where he was between 86 - 92 when he ended up in Edson. In Patricia's interview, she mentions that in the time they were married, they lived in Edson, Edmonton, & Truro. We also know that he was back in Edson in 2000. It would be nice, to have exact times, of all of his locations..and to know where he was between 86 - 92..

In Pastor Jim's interview, he mentioned that Kleman spent a lot of time, in a church cabin 20km from Edson, I wonder if the RCMP checked that place out as well...

Adrian, the trail would have been in clear view from the tree stand.

Desespere, there were fresh ATV tracks, almost skid marks, at the tree house, they looked as if someone left in a hurry.

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 16, 2009, 03:13:22 AM
Edsonmom

I think kleman worked at the esso on the east end - before it was rebuilt; from 1987 until late 1995 when the esso was closed for renos. I was talking to someone whos's brother worked with him there right up until the esso closed. he must have met Pat and then moved right away after the esso closed because the guy that worked with kleman said he didnt remember kleman ever having a girlfirend while he worked with him and never mentiond NS at all. But he used to go home to N. BC for his holidays every year. AND while they worked together he was NOT religious until around the last year they worked together. Then Rev Jim started coming to the ESSO and thats when kleman started getting religion. He remembers because all of a sudden kleman started talking religion at work but he doesnt remember kleman training to be a preacher or going on road trips with rev Jim.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 16, 2009, 03:37:06 AM
Thanks Bulldog.. that would answer the missing time frame, I just wonder what brought him to Edson in the first place..could be a connection with this case: Maureen Elizabeth Mosie- Hi way of tears victim

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May 8, '81: Maureen Elizabeth Mosie, 33

Mosie's battered body was found beside a road near Kamloops. Mosie, who was from Edson, Alta., was hitchhiking between Salmon Arm and Kamloops.


VERY INTERESTING THAT KLEMAN WAS NOT RELIGIOUS UNTIL AFTER MEETING THE PASTOR JIM.

Pastor Jim has said in many interviews, that Him and Kleman went on road trips for about 10 years, This was in 2000, after Kleman & Patricia moved back to Edson. that would explain, why your friend never heard of the road trips..
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 16, 2009, 10:27:58 PM
Hey Debbie I think kleman is 47 now. I seem to remember that from the newspaper.

So that would make him born in 1961. If he was in grade 10 in '82 that would make him 21?? Wow that seems out of whack doesn't it?? That makes him approx 5 years too old for that grade. Anyone know why he was sooo old in high school.

Edson mom: I think the guy said kleman moved to edson to be closer to his sister, so maybe the sister - which I find out today her name is Hellen - lived in Edson than??  Thanks for the clear up on who Shenia is, Edsonmom.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Edsonmom on February 16, 2009, 10:44:12 PM
Bulldog, Kleman is only 43, he was born in 1965, and you are very welcome.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Bulldog on February 16, 2009, 11:53:09 PM
Thanks Edsonmom, good to know

Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: strat on February 17, 2009, 09:47:00 PM
I don't know anything about the treehouse.

I kinda find it interesting that they found lots of cologne bottles at the crime scene, and the girl that made the false report said her (fake) attacker reeked of cologne and BO.  If they didn't take bottles as evidence thouh, must not mean anything.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Adrian on February 18, 2009, 03:10:11 PM
Thanks strat, you brought back memeories of that gal who called wolf, or did she?

Hey strat! Great you picked up on that. It is stranger now than I thought. Cologne/sweat/stink....

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I don't know anything about the treehouse.

I kinda find it interesting that they found lots of cologne bottles at the crime scene, and the girl that made the false report said her (fake) attacker reeked of cologne and BO.  If they didn't take bottles as evidence thouh, must not mean anything.

Yes that gal said the smell was like a transient covering up bad Bo, or maybe drinking it.Be surprise the people who drink cologne, andd aftershave, as well as mouthwash, and hairspray. HMMMMMMMMM............

Who was this guy? He could have been sleeping there. Many homeless, as you know. I am keeping my eye on this for sure.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: nander on April 26, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
BREAKING NEWS:  ROSS EDWARD KLEMAN PLEADS GUILTY

Ross Edward Kleman appeared in Hinton court today and pled Guilty in the death of 14 year old Emily Stauffer.  All the details at 3pm on The FOX. 

The 43 year old former town of Edson employee faced a first degree charge in the murder of 14 year old Emily Stauffer. The charge means Kleman was allegedly following a plan, and the act was not spontaneous. The incident took place in late September of 2008 when Kleman allegedly attacked Stauffer on Edson town trails. A search followed, with a cash reward offered.... leading to the eventual arrest of Kleman. He has previously plead not guilty to the charge, and waived a preliminary hearing to proceed with the trial.


Apparently he pled guilty to 2nd degree. Will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on April 27, 2010, 05:58:06 PM
Its almost over now, alot has been said throughout this ordeal..
there's lots more about Kleman and the trial at- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/board,82.0.html (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/board,82.0.html)

I'm not sure what to make of it all , Emily may be showing us more than we can digest right yet.. Adrian was very interested in this when she was with us, believing what happened here to be just the tip of an iceberg. Adrian believed alot more would soon unfold. Alas, things did not transpire in that way. The calls for a deeper investigation grew silent, with time, our voices dimmed.

Sad for Emily's family and more as I read Adrian's last words on this thread.
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I am keeping my eye on this for sure.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: sting685 on June 16, 2010, 01:00:06 AM
Well, I lived in Onoway, AB for about a year. I worked for an oilpatch company and most of my work was in the Edson area. I stayed at the Nova Inn & Suites for most of that time and at the Guest House Inn & Suites in Edson. I got to know the town quite well and really enjoyed my time there. I have sinced moved back home to PEI. I was travelling back to Edson from Onoway on the day Emily was murdered. I was driving a company truck and myself and my co-worker were pulled over by the R.C.M.P. on our way into town. At first I thought it was just a routine check but once we got into Edson it was clear there was an an abnormally high police presence in the town. Next day at work rumours were flying. It was even rumoured that the killer was an oilpatch worker and that vigilante justice would be meted out on any strangers. I remember walking from the Nove to the Esso down the street on Highway 16E and being terrified that I would get jumped as I was a stranger and all. Fears were unfounded. I love Edson. Then I saw Emily's pic on the news and realized she worked at the gas station where we would fill up and grab some sandwiches etc. and I recognized her immediately as the polite young lady with the big smile and my heart sank. Who could do such a thing? And then we got up to leave for work one morning and the gas station had burned down through the night and I said to my supervisor that I bet there was a connection between the fire and Emily's murder. I hope and pray that Mr. Kleman gets exactly what he deserves, if not in this life then the next. My sup said that someday he will have to stand before the Lord and that then and only then will true justice be served.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: Chris on June 16, 2010, 01:40:04 AM
That must have been a weird time. I never heard the gas station burned down. that crime must have rocked the town to the core.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on September 18, 2010, 04:35:28 PM
Kleman wasn't a member of Mr. Stauffer's Church, he belonged to the church of Mr. Findlay.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: AlbertaCowboy on September 19, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
Kleman wasn't a member of Mr. Stauffer's Church, he belonged to the church of Mr. Findlay.

True, but the community of Edson is very small (8,000 people), and the Christian community was fairly close knit.  Kleman definitely knew Emily and her family.  Maybe the families were not close, but being in that size of the town, people in the same related occupations/hobbies (clergymen) knew each other.  It's not like it was the size of a city like Edmonton, which has 100x the population.  So I think Chris was deifintely onto something before the facts were known.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: D1 on September 19, 2010, 04:40:54 PM
Yes of course. Just wanted to keep the record straight and the connections to Mr. Findlay's church intact.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: debbiec on September 25, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
Remembering Emily.

It was September 27, 2008 that she was murdered at the age of 14. Six years have passed.
Title: Re: Emily Stauffer (14) Murdered | Edson | Ross Edward Kleman Charged
Post by: jellybean on September 25, 2014, 04:05:57 PM
This was an excellent thread for Emily.  Lots of first time posters from her area and others who gassed up at the gas station where she worked took the time and trouble to log on. That makes such a difference on a thread for someone who has been murdered. It shows that people cared. 

Ross received life in prison (which is a joke) meaning 18 years before he can apply for parole.  He also received two years for sexually touching a young girl, of which he must serve concurrently. 

I hope that the day will come when concurrent sentences are no longer the norm.  I also hope that laws will change so that LIFE MEANS LIFE.  If not, then THE COURTS SHOULD NOT  use  THE TERM LIFE, since this is very misleading to the Public!!

Just  rattle off the paltry years to be spent incarcerated, when they can apply for parole and be done with it >:( >:(
jb